Welcome to the AI Chat Podcast. I'm your host,
Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting -edge
AI news and talk with the leaders behind it,
breaking down what it means for your life and
business. OpenAI's first influencer likes you
retreat has drawn a whole bunch of backlash online.
Alibaba has just released Quen 3 .8 Max. This
is a 2 .4 trillion parameter model that they
say is rivaling Claude. Visa has just acquired
a behavioral biometrics company called BioCatch
for $2 .4 billion. I'm going to talk about why
this is wild in the age of AI and how this is
going to be used. Reddit CEO right now is throwing
a little bit of shade at the Google AI. Overviews
and the shares of Reddit are falling 20%, even
though it seems like the company is making more
money than ever. Apple's Tim Cook is floating
iCloud Plus, a paywall for the heaviest Siri
AI users. And Anthropic says that Claude's model
breached three companies during cybersecurity
tests, kind of like what OpenAI was saying when
they, you know, had their model go and breach
Hugging Faces. Anthropic is coming along and
saying, look, we are, you know, they're not the
only ones. Me too. We also have a dangerous model
that can. escape a sandbox and hack the world.
Let's get into it today. The first thing I want
to mention is that the AI Box MCP, that's my
very own startup. It's a little plugin that gives
Claude and other AI models access to all the
top models. So you get OpenAI, you get Grok,
you get 11 Labs, you get Google VO3 and Gemini,
you get all that inside of Grok or inside of
Claude or inside of... chat GPT and vice versa.
The cool thing about the MCP with AI box is that
Claude can now generate images, audio and video.
This is by far our most popular feature. We have
hit all sorts of revenue metrics and milestones
and records because of it. And if you haven't
tried it out already, I would love for you to
try it. I personally use it every day. It is
incredible basically. And it's like, I know it's
my product, so I'm just like pitching here, but
I'll just tell you one thing that I recently
used it for. That was amazing. And I'll get on
with it. But, um, I was recently going and making
Facebook ads for AI Box. And one of the problems
is that Claude doesn't generate images, right?
So I had a framework of a Facebook ad that I
wanted. I screenshot it off of somebody else.
And I said, look, build a frame of this Facebook
ad. And it kind of had like titles and some descriptions
and some like content. And so it built a rough
draft for it. But the actual image on that Facebook
ad, I needed to put something in. And I wanted
to A -B test a whole bunch of different ones.
So I said, use the AI Box MCP and spin up 20
different variations, 20 different images we
could swap into this ad. It was able to do that.
I ran the ad set. And it turns out that one of
those 20 for some reason, I just had a way higher
conversion rate on the ad. And actually 50 %
of our ad spend went on to that one single ad.
So I mean, when it comes to any sort of projects
where you have to test a whole bunch of variations,
it's really cool to be able to get all of those
variations made instantly when I got AI box to
when Claude used AI box to generate all of the
images. It wasn't something that you know, it
was sitting there and doing them one at a time
like if I was on if I was on chat GPT trying
to generate those images might myself, I would
have been, you know, going slowly, it's super
slow, you do them in a handful at a time or one
at a time, it's able to just do them all in parallel,
zap, get it all done. It's all in there. It's
ready to rock and roll. It was an amazing experience.
So if you want to check it out, it is AI box
.ai. There's a link in the description to check
out our MCP. And yeah, I think you will genuinely
love it. You can get it for $8 .99 a month starting
and you get over 80 different AI models. So audio
image video, it's all in there. OpenAI's first
influencer luxury retreat is making a bunch of
people online upset. OpenAI basically flew in
a bunch of creators. There was this kind of luxury
upstate New York resort, and it was their first
influencer event. They called it Summer Club.
And they had a bunch of fancy events and activities.
They had beekeeping. They had a bunch of dinners.
They had ChatGPT work tutorials, which, I mean,
I think that's a no -brainer. Obviously, they'd
be doing software tutorials. That's what I'd
expect. But the trip had a bunch of backlash
online. because all of the commenters said that
there was $5 ,000 a night suites. And, you know,
it was supposed to be kind of like this wellness
retreat. But OpenAI is, you know, obviously pushing
a $500 billion data center deal right now. And
so not everyone was, you know, a lot of people
that are anti kind of data centers didn't like
this. And it feels like, you know, they're like,
look, they're just bribing all the influencers
to go along with what they got going on. OpenAI
actually hired Charles Porsche, which was formerly
Instagram's VP of partner. And this was just
in February this year that they did that. And
their goal with him, they're like, look, like
we want you to lead the creator strategy. So
Summer Club is kind of his first big campaign
that he's done since he took that role. The funny
thing to me is that Anthropic and Microsoft have
both run similar kind of creator trips. And this
isn't anything new. It's not like Microsoft,
Anthropic and OpenAI are inventing this. There's
a lot of companies that do these types of things.
And when Anthropic and Microsoft did it, like
they had like a Super Bowl event in February.
But with them, there was no backlash. lot of
people are saying perhaps the the reason that
there's a lot of backlash is just because of
opening eyes kind of scale um and you know there's
just the biggest company or maybe people are
just realizing it now but for whatever reason
opening eye is getting a lot of pushback on that
Alibaba has just released a new model called
Quen 3 .8 Max. This is a 2 .4 trillion parameter
AI model that just came out today. And it basically
ranks second only to Anthropix Cloud Fable 5
on most of the public leaderboards. Right now,
they are releasing the model's weights next week.
They're going to make it freely downloadable
and modifiable by developers worldwide. So again,
it's not technically like an open source model,
but it's an open weight model, meaning they let
you download the model. They give you the weights.
run this thing on your own device, but they don't
tell you like exactly how they built it. So you
can't recreate it. And there's some other like
limitations in there. But honestly, I have a
huge kudo to a lot of these AI companies coming
out of China for doing this. I know there's a
lot of controversy. Moonshot AI's Kimi K3 released
last week. It was a 2 .8 trillion parameter model.
It was bigger than Quen 3 .8, but Quen 3 .8 is
higher on the benchmarks. And by the way, like
Quen is a model that's been around for a long
time. actually a pretty impressive one. Alibaba
obviously is like China's Amazon. So they have
a lot of money, a lot of talent backing them.
And Quinn has been one of those those big models.
If you want to try out Quinn, by the way, if
you haven't tried it yet, I'd recommend go get
an account for $8 .99 on AI box, we have a Quinn
along with you know, 80 other different AI models
that you can test out. One thing that I'll say
is right now Alibaba is kind of returning to
an open weight distribution because last year
they did it was sort of a pivot. And even earlier
this year, they were doing this where they were
making just proprietary only. But now I think
Moonshot came out, ByteDance came out, Minimax
came out and making these kind of, you know,
basically anyone could go download and modify
these models, quote unquote, open weight. And
it seems like they're following in that path.
It seems like the best path for a lot of these
Chinese models where they're going to kind of
get. a lot of positive press. And at the end
of the day, they can put kind of enterprise tier
or more advanced tiers of these models on their
own cloud so you can use them. And I think their
goal is just to get as many users trying them,
falling in love with them. Maybe they're faster,
maybe they're more cost efficient. And then they're
hoping that maybe you'll go pay them for them
later. And the other thing that's really important
right now with these models, because I know a
lot of people ask, like, why are the Chinese
models making these things open weight? Like,
why aren't they just doing what, you know, the
American companies are doing? And obviously,
There's some geopolitical issues where if they
were just charging what Anthropic is charging,
no one's going to pay for it. So they want to
get it out. But another side of this that I think
not a lot of people talk about is the fact that
you want infrastructure and tools and developers
to be building with your AI model. Because if
all of the developers are like, look, maybe it's
not going to be like this forever. But right
now, Quen is the perhaps fastest and cheapest
way to run AI. So it saves people a lot of money.
A lot of developers will build tools on top of
that. A lot of tools on top of their infrastructure.
infrastructure, and help them actually grow kind
of their distribution. And so I think that's
what they're trying to they're trying to get
out with all of this is to get the infrastructure
and the developers and kind of win them over
because that's how you can make some cool products
on top of it. And maybe they'll go completely
closed source in the future, like all of the
American companies. I mean, let's be fair, that's
kind of what opening I did anyways, as well at
the beginning. So it seems like this is the same
strategy being rolled out of Beijing and most
of these other Chinese companies. Visa has just
acquired a behavioral biometric firm called bio
catch, they acquired it for $2 .5 billion in
cash. This is a massive deal. So what exactly
does bio catch do? It's an Israeli security firm.
And it basically spots fraud by watching how
you type, swipe and hold your phone, which is,
I mean, kind of crazy, a little bit creepy to
me, because they can obviously they're like,
look, but we're catching like fraud, but You
know, they can catch a lot of things. This type
of technology, I think, was became like a little
bit more known when with something like chat
GPT. I remember some earlier reports saying,
like, if I just watch what you type into chat
GPT and the reason I say this or like into anything
could could be anything. But chat GPT can easily
do this. If I watch what you type and how you
type and you paste, let's say someone sends you
an email, but it's just or like a voice to text
or something and you got it transcribed and pasted
it into chat GPT. You could say, what is this
person's gender, age? ethnicity. And oftentimes,
the AI model can give you a ton of data about
that person just based off of a transcript, a
text, an email. I mean, assuming nowadays, all
emails are like rewritten by AI. So maybe that's
like a reason to, to use the the polish my email
with AI, then they can't actually get your like
bio data, unless it's the company that's an AI
company that's doing that. Now, for a company
like Visa, that obviously is all about catching
fraud. I'm you know, this is this makes sense.
As far as an acquisition, I'm not too worried
about These I mean, they already have all my
transaction data. So and all my like finance
stuff. So I'm not too worried about what other
data they're going to get on me that they basically
have everything. They got my credit score and
they know everything. So I'm not too concerned
about them knowing my age and gender. But what
I will say is it is interesting to know that
these types of security firms exist. They're
out there. And yeah, you can tell a lot about
a person just like so an anonymous person posting
on X, right? An anonymous account. You can take
their post on X, put it into chat. and get a
pretty good user demograph of what this type
of person is like. And a lot of companies will
use this for marketing and for retargeting. So
it's definitely something that is... becoming
more and more popular today. Now, BioCatch in
particular, their goal is to detect authorized
push payment fraud, where victims are basically
logging in correctly, but then they're transferring
money on a scammer's instruction, right? So like
the scammer's like, hey, I need you to go buy
me all the Visa gift cards and send them to me
in the mail. And that's what it's trying to catch.
The technology basically reads physical signals
like keystroke. timing, tap pressure, and scroll
speed. Those are how they're actually deciding
if it's a criminal, if it's someone that's being
coached by a criminal. So, I mean, it's interesting
because this isn't intrinsically bad, and this
is actually probably good, right, what BioCatch
is doing, but the fact that BioCatch can determine
this kind of stuff, to me, I'm just like, people
should be aware that we're able to tell by how
fast you scroll, by how hard you tap, by your
keystroke timing, we're able to tell who's in
control. the device. That to me is pretty crazy.
It's kind of like when there's kind of the videos
that you may or may not have seen, but basically
your Wi -Fi. um sends out certain signals and
you can you can basically get like a 3d map of
who's inside of a house if you get access to
their wi -fi router because like a human body
for example the wi -fi signals go through them
at a different frequency of walls and all these
different steps so like you can you basically
get like a 3d map of someone walking around their
house if you can um if you can hack into their
wi -fi router which reddit ceo is publicly questioning
whether google's ai Overview feature is worth
the money. He says that the automated search
summaries haven't delivered any real value to
content publishers. Reddit shares fell about
20 % after they released their earnings, which
I think part of that is because of just a lot
of the uncertainty about whether Google's shift
towards AI summaries is going to kill all of
the traffic -based revenue for sites like Reddit.
And I mean, to be fair, with the AI boom, Reddit
is one of the biggest winners. You probably have
noticed that Google's AI are just their results
in general really heavily skew towards Reddit
because it's like real people, there's real trust.
And a lot of companies have licensed information
from Reddit, Google being one, I think Google
paid $300 million to license everything on Reddit
to help them train their models. Pew Research
study of 900 U .S. adults said that basically
what they figured out from this was that AI overviews
cut referrals to publisher sites by almost half
compared to traditional search results. OK, this
isn't like what what is shocking about that?
Basically, you ask the question, the AI overview
answers. So you don't go click over to the website.
Nothing's shocking there. Reddit is considering
ending their 60 million dollar licensing Google
deal with Google. So I think I might have said
300 million earlier. Misquoted that it's 60 million
dollars. And the economists, routers, political
and USA Today are all also thinking about doing
something very similar. So Google has licensing
deals with all of these companies. And a lot
of them are saying, look, maybe it's just not
worth it to have all of the Google or all of
the Reddit information embedded into Gemini.
We'd rather them actually come over to Reddit
to get that information. Now, if I'm being honest,
I think that. I don't know if they cut their
licensing deals, if the traffic's going to actually
flow back to them. I think maybe the cat's out
of the bag at this point. A lot of these AI models
are trained. A lot of this information is already
out there. It's already been aggregated on, you
know, maybe Reddit got added into Gemini and
someone used Gemini to write an article. Now
the article is publicly posted. So Google doesn't
really need Reddit so much anymore. That's kind
of what I think will happen and probably the
same thing with a lot of the other news organizations.
So it'll be interesting to see how that rolls
out. the future. There's some big news from Apple.
Tim Cook says that they might have a new tier,
which is going to be called iCloud Plus for heavy
Siri users. It's going to be a flat monthly fee.
It's going to be subscription, very similar to
the freemium model of OpenAI and Google for what
they have for Gemini or for ChatGPT. And right
now, I think Apple is basically saying that they
think they can convert iPhone users who currently
use ChatGPT and other things into... using Siri
instead. Now what's interesting is we know that
there's like some version of Siri that is going
to be powered by OpenAI and powered by ChatGPT
or I think a lot of the news is that you could
actually switch it. So this is going to be the
first time that they actually are charging a
subscription and getting into that game. Not
long after OpenAI has come out with an announcement
that, you know, their model escaped a sandbox
and went and hacked Hugging Faces and some other
firms. Anthropic is saying, look, we did the
same thing, guys. We have, you know, Claude,
three different Claude models escaped a testing
sandbox and access to live company systems during
internal security evaluations. One model. published
malware to a public code registry before it was
caught, which prompted Anthropic to review over
141 ,000 test runs for similar breaches. If you
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