Welcome to the AI Chat Podcast. I'm your host,
Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting -edge
AI news and talk with the leaders behind it,
breaking down what it means for your life and
business. Anthropic has just launched a brand
new model, Claude Opus 5. It is half the price
of Fable 5, but almost as good as Fable 5. This,
I think, is in direct response to what OpenAI
has been doing. And speaking of which, OpenAI
has just brought ChatGPT Voice to their desktop
app, and it has agent control. So talking to
it, it can then control your computer. Meta is
pivoting their AI chatbot towards productivity
with MuseSpark 1 .1. We'll get into what they're
doing there. But Hugging Face, Meta, NVIDIA have
all signed, along with over 200 Silicon Valley
companies, a letter against open weight AI restrictions.
And a researcher is using AlphaFold to redesign
CRISPR -Cas9 and cut off target edits from 28
% to 5%. MidJourney has just acquired CoStars.
It's an astrology app. 4 .3 million monthly users.
And it has nothing to do with mid journey, but
the talent that have built it have everything
to do with their company. So we're going to get
into that. But first, my absolute favorite AI
tool I've been using this week allows you to
generate images and audio and video right inside
of Claude, who, you know, only does text and
reason. And I basically use Claude as my control
panel for everything I do. I have two Claude
Max $200 a month subscriptions, and I burn through
all of the tokens for both of those because I
have a billion projects going. always all at
once. And this thing is a workhorse. Now, the
problem with it is it doesn't generate images
like chat GPT, it doesn't generate video like
Google, and it doesn't do audio like 11 lab.
So I've actually been able to pull all of those
models straight into Claude with the AI box MCP.
It's amazing. I've created tons of Facebook ads
this week. And the thing that actually saved
me a ton of money and also just time is I was
creating a bunch of podcast covers for a project
where it was a it was a language learning podcast.
So it's like learn German. right? And it'll be
a podcast in German. But my problem was I was
like, you know, people that are from, you know,
Spain or from Russia that want to learn German,
they're not going to search for learn German
in English or even learn German and however you
say it in in Dutch, they're going to search it
in their own language of Russian or whatever.
So anyways, I have this problem. And the solution
is generating podcast covers with chat GPT, you
know, learn, you say the words learn German,
and you'd translate it to 10 different 10 different
languages. Okay, so I had this great podcast
cover design and that I really liked. And I was
just getting chat GPT, I was giving it to it,
it was spitting out a new title. And I know a
lot of people are like, Oh, why don't you just
use Canva to do this? Yeah, you could use Canva
to do it. And then you'd have to manually adjust
like the font sizes. Because once you get into
like Mandarin or Korean, and like the languages
are completely different. I had two different
fonts and two different colors. And anyway, I
was gonna have to go Finnick with it. And it's
gonna be annoying. So I was having chat GPT just
one shot. this, but it was taking forever. And
then this for this particular project, I'm actually
doing every language and every language is variant,
right? So it'd be like learn English, learn German,
learn French, their podcasts in those languages.
But it's I'm making a podcast cover for every
language, right? So there'd be like 10 or 12
variations of everything. Anyways, it was a big
project, it was going to take forever to generate.
300 podcast covers for every language variant.
And so what I did is I had Claude make, you know,
the base image for every single one of these,
which is like 12 languages. So it just made the
base image for the 12 languages. And then Claude
actually put the text on and it can swap it out.
It saved me so much time being able to use Claude
plus AI box if I was just going to chat GPT and
trying to get. you know, 300 images generated.
This would take me forever. But getting Claude
to basically I had the AI box MCP called in.
So it just said, hey, you know, Claude knew exactly
what to do. It wrote the prompt. I give it an
image and told it what I wanted it to do. It
wrote the prompt. It used AI box. It pulled the
image in. It put the text on and swapped it out
into all the different languages and made the
template perfect. So I got to use the brainpower
of Claude, but I got to use the image generation
power of ChatGPT using them together. I only
had to generate 12 images and I saved myself
so much time and money. being able to do it this
way. There's like 100 other things I've done
this week with it. That was just like a fun thing
I was doing last night with it. I tested it out.
Go try out the AI Box MCP if you haven't already.
It can generate images, audio, video right inside
of Claude. You use Claude's brain. And by the
way, it's not just Claude. Like you can do the
same thing inside of Codex or inside of Cursor
or inside of any of these other tools that pull
MCPs in. Okay, let's talk about what's going
on with Opus 5. This one's actually a pretty
fun model because the biggest issue that I've
seen with Claude at this point is that Fable
5, which I use, I burn through credit super fast,
but it also burns through all of my tokens for
my entire account. So the new Opus 5 is very
similar on the benchmarks. It's slightly worse
than Fable 5, but very close. And it is half
the cost. This is amazing. I will take a 10 %
or a 5 % cut on brainpower, quote unquote, in
order to get half the cost down because I'm just
burning through so many tokens using it. I only
use it for the most important critical tasks.
So I think from now on, I probably just won't
use Fable 5. I'll just be using Opus 5. for everything.
And I think this is in direct response to ChatGPT,
who came out with a very similar model. ChatGPT's
latest, I think 5 .6, uses about half the tokens
that Fable 5 was using. Claude obviously wanted
to come up with a competitor because I was, you
know, like basically once my subscription to
Claude runs out in August, I'm switching over
to ChatGPT into Codex and using ChatGPT work
on my desktop for like coding and everything
because of all the features they have. But in
the meantime, I'm still using Claude till that
runs out. But anyways, I think Claude knows this.
And so they're making, basically trying to get
themselves on par with OpenAI, come up with all
the features that were just launched. And speaking
of really cool. features from OpenAI. OpenAI
actually just added ChatGPT voice to the desktop
app. If you remember, I don't know if you, you
know, everyone's at a different phase, but basically
OpenAI has a desktop app called ChatGPT. They
used to have one called Atlas, which was like
a browser. And they had one called Codex, which
was for coding. They combined them all. It's
just called the ChatGPT app. And they now have
ChatGPT voice that they've added to it, which
what that means is it lets you talk to ChatGPT
to this thing that controls your computer, right?
It does everything that Claude, uh, cowork can
do where it like controls your computer, can
control your files. It can open your browser,
can control your browser. It can do all that
kind of stuff, but while you're talking to it,
so you can have something pulled up on your computer
screen. Um, and you could be writing code instead
of like, I do this all the time with Claude.
I go take a screenshot of whatever I'm working
on. And then I. you know, drop it into cloud.
And I'm like, what do you think about blah, blah,
blah. Okay. Now with a chat GPT voice, you can
have something pulled up on your computer screen
and you could just be talking to it. You're like,
Hey, you know, I'm on my emails and it looks
like they said this thing is missing or I'm in
my files or I'm in my software and that there's
this issue and it's looking at it and it's can
then debug it and test it right from there. I
am so stoked about this. Um, you have no idea,
like this is actually massive. You're no, it's
just getting to the point where whatever's on
your computer screen is. is you're going to be
talking to it about that in particular. So yeah,
this is a big upgrade. On a Mac OS, there is
a feature called app shots. And it basically
lets voice agents see what's on your screen,
including the alt text. So what I love about
it being able to see the alt text, these agents
are really cool. And I use Claude for some of
these similar types of tasks a lot where beyond
just seeing what's on your screen. So like I
have a project where I have to download 300 hours
of podcast video content from the platform that
I I host it all on Riverside. I've been recording
there for years. I wanted to export all my podcasts
off of there. And I, you know, I like email their
support. And I'm like, Hey, do you guys have
a bulk like export thing? Whatever. I'll pay
extra. They're like, Nope, sorry, there's nothing
we can do. No bulk export. You got to go manually
click every single one and You only can do 15
hours a month. And I'm like, I have 300 hours.
What do you mean? Anyways, so there's like a
couple little loopholes they came up with. It
was super annoying. Obviously, I'm not going
to spend a week of my life manually like exporting
every single thing. So I got Claude to go look
at it. And when Claude went in there, it was
like, hey, look, we actually found an API inside
of this and we're able to like automate and manual
or, you know, automate a lot of the stuff and
download everything. We found like the download
keys and the files and whatever. So Claude's
in there doing who knows what, but it's not just.
like looking at my computer screen and clicking
on actual buttons it's like executing code to
go and do a lot of this stuff programmatically
which is really cool and i mean basically that's
what this new mac os feature is able to do beyond
just looking at what's on your screen it looks
at what the code is of the alt text the code
what's behind uh the actual screen and so i'm
like so stoked about this you'll you've probably
heard me talk about this or you probably use
this yourself Where, you know, these coding models
are not just looking at the visual, they're looking
at the code behind everything. I was, I think
like a couple months ago, I was asking Claude
to edit a video on CapCut. It closed my CapCut
app, opened the CapCut file, made some tweaks
inside the code and was like, okay, your video's
edited and I opened it and it like had cut it
up the way I wanted. So these models are awesome
and they often will just look at the code and
not even do it the visual way. So really stoked
to use that with OpenAI. Meta is pivoting their
AI chatbot from just being kind of like entertainment.
They're trying to focus more productivity. In
the past, you've probably seen all the branding
with Meta where it was like, chat with the Mr.
Beast AI on WhatsApp and like, go generate an
image of your friends, generate a picture of
you as a pirate, right? Like this is kind of
like the fun viral stuff that they were working
on. But I think at the end of the day, they're
realizing people are not going to pay for that.
Like it's fun and it's a novelty and maybe it
was cool. I mean, years ago, but it's just not
really driving actual usage today. And so they're
now moving more towards productivity, more in
line with what Claude and what ChatGPT are doing.
They're adding calendar access. They're adding
daily briefings. They're adding recurring task
automations that directly compete with, like
I have task automations on Claude that will run
every week or every day or some of them every
three hours, depending on what the task is. So
I think we're seeing a big shift for meta. They're
getting away from just being. fun and they're
going to productivity. And I think we're going
to see them get a big spike in usage. Meta can
also now read your calendar. It can plan events.
It can look at Facebook marketplace for items
within a certain budget, which is kind of funny
because I remember ChatGPT was doing this for
a lot of people with ChatGPT agents. They were
like getting into lowball people in marketplace.
But anyways, I guess you can now do that with
MetaZone agent. And this new update, it's going
to be out today in a bunch of different markets
and WhatsApp and more. regions are going to follow
in the next couple weeks. Meta has some massive
distribution advantages that not, you know, most
tech startups do not have. They have WhatsApp,
which reaches 3 billion users. And then they
also have Meta AI that's already built into Instagram.
They have Messenger, they have Facebook. So they
have a lot of distribution. Let's see if they
can stick the landing on this. Hugging Face,
Meta and Microsoft, Mistral and Nvidia are all
signing an open letter. And I think there was
like 200 other companies that did. urging the
White House not to restrict open way AI models
or ban the technique of training one model on
another model's outputs, model distillation.
This is so fascinating because there's a, you
know, this letter in particular, they're pushing
back on a plan to respond to Chinese AI labs
by penalizing open source development alongside
actual IP theft. Now, this is coming from, I
was reading the tweet earlier today from Secretary
Bessette from the Treasury, and he basically
came up with this tweet, which... I mean, I don't
know anything about the government, but I don't
know why our treasury secretary is weighing in
on open source AI models, but whatever. And basically
he was saying, hey, look, the Chinese labs are
doing model distillation, asking, you know, Claude
to give them like 5 ,000 answers to a question.
And they use those 5 ,000 answers to help train
their model. Now, a lot of open source models
are using the same tactic. Some people think
it's unethical. In my opinion, I just think it's
so ironic because Anthropic just spent $20 million.
They paid another $20 million to a group that
is kind of fighting against this. Anthropic is
constantly saying, hey, look, we're being like
model distilled by Chinese labs and they come
up with these big reports. And like, yeah, I
don't want to just spend all of our money and
then give the secret sauce to the Chinese models
for free. But at the same time, I think it's
pretty hard to get around that. And it was actually
interesting, Elon Musk, when he was in a lawsuit
with Oprah, ai they asked if he'd used if grok
had used model distillation from openai to train
their model and he's like yeah everyone does
that now i know like a lot of people are up in
arms about this or whatever and they're like
look no like we gotta fight back against the
chinese labs or whatever from ripping off our
ip okay At the end of the day, though, I just
find this incredibly ironic that OpenAI, Google,
and Anthropic have scraped the entire internet
of every blog and article ever written. They've
made these models that are incredibly useful,
get, you know, a trillion dollars in values being
created by these things. And then, which, you
know, they scrape for free, like everyone wrote
blog posts, they scraped the blog posts, and
they trained them into here. And then once they
do that, they're like, okay, no one else is allowed
to distill from our model, which is distilling
from the human corpus of information, which is
the internet. So anyways, I actually am much
less sympathetic towards this. So I would sort
of side with Hugging Face, Meta, Microsoft, and
like half of Silicon Valley. It's kind of split.
I think companies with these AI models have spent
billions training them. They don't want you to
be able to do it. But for the open source models,
I mean, this is basically how you make these
open source models so good. And then there's
just the geopolitical thing because Kimmy K3.
um coming out of moonshot apparently copied anthropic's
fable model to build their model which interesting
right it's not even like they were going after
uh there was like an like opus they're like no
we're going after fable 5 to train this thing
smart on them but that model is really good kimmy
k3 hugging faces use is a chinese open weight
model which is zai's glm 5 .2 and i've actually
used some of zai's models they're good What's
interesting about that particular use case, though,
is that OpenAI actually created a model, and
this was kind of yesterday's news, but they created
a model. It escaped containment. supposed to
be in a sandbox, not able to access the internet,
escaped containment, got out and went and was
hacking Hugging Face. Then Hugging Face, while
their website was being hacked, they tried to
use OpenAI's model to stop this. And the guardrails
on OpenAI's model actually prevented them from
being able to stop the attack. So Hugging Face
actually went to the open weight model, GLM 5
.2, and they used that to defend against that
cyber attack from OpenAI. And OpenAI came out
and was like, wow, yeah, this is crazy. Our thing
got out of control. And it was like hacking you
and like whatever. Anyways, all this to say there
is no way in my mind that we are trusting. a
handful of closed source models to be the only
one that can produce models. Let out the open
source models. Look, it literally just stopped
a hacking attack escaping from open AI. If it's
a counterweight to what's going on, in my opinion,
we have to have this. But anyways, the Trump
administration, I think, is being lobbied by
open AI and Anthropic to shut these things down.
They're dangerous, yada, yada. I think we need
open source models to run the internet. So I
am on the other side of that. Researchers have
just used AlphaFold to redesign CRISPR -Cas9
to cut harmful off -target edits from 28 % down
to 5 % while keeping the gene editor's accuracy
on intended targets intact. This is kind of a
science one for you, but I'm excited about this
because basically off target cuts are things
that will damage healthy genes in patients. So
they want to do some of this CRISPR gene editing
stuff. But if you have these off cuts, it's really
bad for you. So they use AlphaFold to cut that
down, which is really cool. It's basically a
big step in safer gene therapies, which I'm excited
about. There was a Chinese team that tested 23
amino acid swaps at 10 key positions and they
published the results in. nature today about
this. And they found that over 95 % of the off
target sites changed which amino acids inside
of cast nine touched the guide RNA, even when
the proteins overall shape stayed the same. So
you know, they've made some massive improvements
there. I'm really excited about it. Mid Journey.
This is a company that's been generating images
for a long time, but it's kind of stuck inside
of Discord. And I guess they do have their own
website. You can access them. I'm going to be
honest. I have not used Mid Journey. They might
be the best image model in the world. I'm not
sure. Last thing I remembered is they signed
a deal with Meta to get embedded to power their
image models. But it's really hard to use them
because they're just inside of Discord and on
their own website. They don't have like an app.
So anyways, they're just less surfaces for them
to touch. I think they've been struggling because
of that. And their response to this is that they've
actually went and acquired a company. It's called
CoStar. It is a social astrology app with 43
million monthly users. It has nothing to do with
MidJourney. But what's interesting about this
is that it's pulling in 24 consumer app builders
into MidJourney. So in my opinion, the reason
why they're buying this, they're like, look,
we need to build an app. Let's go buy a successful
app. and bring all of their developers in and
they can help build the mid journey app for us.
And you know, they won't be just a discord only
tool. CoStar, as it currently sits, it just generates
horoscopes using AI and they say also human writers.
I'm sure AI does a ton of this stuff. Then it
lets users share astrology charts with their
friends. There's like some social features and
horoscope stuff that's in there. But regardless,
Midjourney basically has no iOS or Android app
and, you know, OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, like
everyone has one, every major tool. And so I
think Midjourney right now is building. is yeah,
basically trying to build the team that does
this. It's also interesting because mid journey
feels like a little bit all over the place, maybe
not super, but they also have like a medical
division where they're building like physical
spa concepts that scan your whole body and tell
you if you have any issues. So they're working
on a couple different things. But I would say
this astrology app isn't just like a new pivot
or direction for them. I'm pretty sure this astrology
app is they're grabbing 24 talented people, and
they're going to build out impressive mid journey
app, which I'm excited for. And by the way, Midjourney
would be an incredible company if they just built
an API, AI box, my company where I, you know,
I have over 80 different AI models inside of
there. We don't have AI or we don't have Midjourney
on there, which is a huge bummer, but it's just
because they don't have an API and people have
made like. unofficial apis that go and like make
an account and they're like kind of scraping
discord but like unofficial apis could get your
account banned it could crash anytime some ui
thing or something changes with mid journey they'll
stop working it's just not reliable we can't
use it as probably against their terms so anyways
if they made an api we'd include them and they
would get access to you know thousands more users
from us and eventually millions more users from
the overall development community so i think
that would probably be the biggest thing they
could do We'll see what happens with Image Journey
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