Welcome to the AI Chat Podcast. I'm your host,
Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting edge
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business. Welcome to the podcast. Today we're
talking about Deezer that says AI generated tracks
are now more than 50 % of all their daily uploads.
So half of all music going up. is AI. And for
those that don't know Deezer, it's essentially
a Spotify or Apple music competitor. It's the
biggest one in France. When I, you know, I lived
in France for a couple years, that's basically
whatever listens to music on and a lot of different
places in Europe, it's pretty popular. And the
reason why I think it's important is because
I think it's indicative of what's happening in
a lot of different geographies, not just France,
but you're probably seeing something very similar
on Apple and Spotify. So we're getting into the
state of all of all of this with AI and music
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what's going on with Deezer. So this is a company
that said that they're going to delist AI tracks
that are unstreamed for six months because they
said that they're getting 90 ,000 uploads per
day. And so they're like, look, if you don't
get any streams on your song for six months,
we're just going to unlist you because we have
so much music. Just the volume of it is insane.
And I'm going to be honest, it's, you know, using
a company like Suno, it's very easy to create
a song that sounds good. And it's interesting
because I know people have a lot of different
opinions on this. I personally make a lot of
money every single month from Spotify. A chunk
of my catalog I made before AI was without using
AI essentially, and a chunk of my catalog I've
used with AI. Some songs I've remade with AI.
since you know like a lot of stuff i made when
i was in college my my the biggest part of my
catalog is i would just basically make relaxing
piano music i had a friend that was good at just
playing relaxing piano music i'd get them to
record for a couple hours i'd take that chop
it into two minute chunks and just post it as
songs online to study to or relaxing music most
famously a lot of people laugh that i have a
lot of music labeled relaxing music for your
cat to help your cat relax and i make $600 a
month than I have since I was in college on like
an album of relaxing piano music for cats, which
is kind of funny. So what's interesting about
all of this, though, is I do make a lot of money
from AI, but it's also stuff that's getting streamed
and listened to. And I think there's a couple
different arguments. Like I would say my preference
is always going to be a real human singing, you
can just kind of tell that the voices sound better,
the instruments sound better, the lyrics sound
better, like everything really sounds better
about a human usually. And even if it's kind
of unique or interesting, like that's the sound
that you like to hear. But that being said, I
have listened to some AI music, I was recently,
you know, scrolling through Instagram, tapping
on some Instagram stories, saw someone's story,
there was a song in the background, I was like,
yeah, that's pretty catchy song, looked it up.
And sure enough, once I got it, I realized it
was AI generated. Because by the way, it's person
was doing something pretty sketchy. I think they
use the name of another famous artist as the
artist name. So that's how they got. streams
on their song, but their song was pretty good.
I actually really liked it. It was very wholesome,
but it was AI generated. But the other day I
was actually on YouTube and I found a whole playlist
of this like folk music and the style I like.
And it was AI generated and I clicked in. I honestly
sounded great. So I listened to it for probably
like half an hour. My wife was laughing at me,
but I was like, honestly, sounds good. So I can
see it both ways. And sometimes it's less obvious
if it's instrumentals. It's not very obvious,
right? Relaxing piano music that's AI generated
sounds just like normal piano music to me. But
if there's like singers and different instruments
like guitar twang, I can usually hear. tell the
AI generated. That's also because I'm generating
a lot of stuff. So I get a good understanding
of this. So there is money to be made and different
streaming platforms are taking it different ways.
We have a title that said, if you use AI generated
music, they're not going to pay you streaming
royalties. So you straight up just won't get
paid on their platform. But at the same time,
you know, a lot of people are making content
that people do like. Now, where's the place for
AI? or music in AI and AI in music. And like,
what's the relationship with Spotify came up
with a bunch of terms recently that basically,
I mean, at the end of the day, it's if people
like it, if it's high quality, then it's going
to be streamed. My personal opinion is if you
have content that sounds amazing, that is beautiful,
using AI to help you with, I don't know, like.
Like, for example, my wife is an artist and she
releases all her own music. And I'm not going
to lie. One of the biggest struggles we have,
and it's just because this isn't our ballpark.
I'm a podcaster and she's a full time mom for
the most part. She's really good at writing songs.
They sound amazing. She plays them live. But
when it comes to recording, the recording process,
the mixing, the mastering, all of that is basically
the bane of our existence. We hate it. And I
haven't gotten around to paying like a producer
to go and make it all sound good or even to record
it all. Because sometimes I'm like. shoot, the
AC unit was on when we were recording. And there's
like a hum in the background. Now we got to put
some compressors on it. And I don't know really
what I'm doing, if I'm being honest. So the problem
is, I wish there was a way to if she could just
record her music, how she does put it in some
sort of AI platform, and it goes and like fixes
everything for it to make it sound good, but
it's still her it's still her playing, I would
say, you know, right on. And that's honestly
what a lot of plugins even on a lot of these
music. editing platforms do like they're going
and kind of manipulating things even there's
like flex pitch or there's you know melodyne
that's like auto correcting your your pitch a
little bit so like there's all these things and
ways that quote -unquote ai or computer software
has been like used in people's music forever
and somehow when it's like a kind of somewhat
autonomous. People don't like it. But I think
if you're a creative artist and you're using
AI to help you with your flow, I mean, you're
just using software. That's fantastic. I would
even go so far as to say if you use Suno and
just one shot at a song and you love it, I mean,
it would be pretty cool if you could go find
an actual person to record it and sing it and
maybe polish or tweak a couple of the words that
might sound weird or cringy or off. and, you
know, have like a real person make it. I think
that's amazing. Now, right now, I'm saying this
all from the standpoint of AI generated music.
I can, when I listen to it, I can tell it's AI
generated, but that won't be the case forever.
These models are getting better and better. The
twang of the guitar is going to start sounding
more natural. It's going to be just like how
the tone of Claude when it talks has gotten so
much better since the very early days. So I think
a lot of things are changing there. What's interesting
is the share of AI generated music has climbed
from about 10%. And that was about 10 ,000 tracks
a day on Deezer in January of last year. So just
last year, 10 % AI. And it is now 40. And then
it went to 44%, which is 75 ,000 tracks a day
in April. And now we're at over 50%. So Deezer
is going to remove all of the tracks. I mean,
I basically think this is a server cost saving
thing. There's so much content. And if it's not
getting streamed, we're just going to pull it
because obviously it's not popular. I mean, I
think that's even generous. I would say, you
know, if a song gets only like 100 listens a
year or less than 100 listens a year, I'd probably
pull it. with two or five of them, but I guess
they're trying to leave something up there for
creativity. There is some technology that flags
outputs from Suno and Yudio, which are the two
biggest AI music startups. Both of them have
major copyright suits. Basically, Suno went and
scraped all music, and that's what they used
to train their model, which, by the way, I've
been saying for years. I knew they did this because
their models were just, it just felt like it
was too good. If you've ever tried Suno, it's
incredible. You can just make. absolutely amazing
music, and you can one shot it. And so yeah,
they went and scraped everyone's stuff. They
also apparently scraped 100 ,000 podcasts. And
it's for this reason that they are now actually
ditching the old models that they use to make
that they used all that content to make. And
they're now retraining new models with content
that they have licensed. And that's what they're
going to, that's gonna be their new models that
they're put out. So you're only gonna be able
to use them with licensed content models, which
is the right way to do it. It's kind of interesting,
though. And I mean, I don't Yeah, I mean, obviously,
they did it the wrong way and quote, unquote,
illegal way. But at the end of the day, they
probably couldn't have grown their company any
other way. I know that's really controversial
to say, but even with Claude, like the only reason
Claude stayed relevant for so long is because
it had a better tone than ChatGPT. And the reason
they had a better tone is because they went and
pirated every book in existence. So just better
at writing and better at tone. And that's what
Claude's competitive advantage is. Is there other
ways to do it? Should people do it correctly?
Yes, yes, yes, obviously. But... At the end of
the day, could Suno have been a company? Let's
say they were, you know, they were like they
were unable to raise money because their model
just sounded bad. So they stole everyone's stuff,
made a model that sounded good, going to have
to pay millions of dollars of fines. But they
were also able to make a model that sounded good,
prove that the use case work. from the proof
of the use case, they were able to raise all
the money to go and actually license the content
and go pay the fines. So I don't know, like,
it sounds kind of crazy. And my only other argument
on this would be so I'm not saying that they
should have done what they did or anything. But
I mean, I don't see any other way their company
could have really existed realistically. The
other thing that I will say, and another argument
on all of this is that the Chinese models do
not have any of these kind of copyright restraints,
and they could go make they could clone like
clod clones they could download all the music
like suno downloaded there would be no negative
repercussions for them so if um you know some
of these models were didn't do that, we'd probably
have just a bunch of really good Chinese models,
or maybe OpenAI would just be significantly less
good with less competition. And they'd kind of
have tried to fill in some of those gaps in the
market. I'm not sure. It's definitely a very
interesting area in the market. I will say that
Deezer opened its detection tools to other platforms.
They have AI detected music tools. They've let
other people use that earlier this year. And
they also released a scanner for Apple Music
and Spotify playlists last month. So you can
scan playlists that you listen to. to discover
if there's AI generated music inside of them.
So at the end of the day, I think disclosure
is the key. If you're creating music and it's
AI generated, it's got to be disclosed. People
should know. Beyond that, you should have licenses
to your stuff, which again, another interesting
point is that Suno, right? When they downloaded
everyone's stuff, they had in their terms like,
hey, this is totally licensed. You can use this
for whatever you want, commercial purposes. And
I mean, to be fair, like I have done that. I've
posted. music that i generated on suno online
and i make money from it and i mean they had
commercial purposes on my licensing so they're
the ones getting the lawsuits and they're the
ones that have to fight it but their users are
fine because i mean what what did i know back
then right so in any case it's a very crazy world
it almost makes me wonder if i should go and
like regenerate some of my songs once their new
model that they have licensing comes out or if
it matters or what the difference is. But anyways,
crazy world with all of this AI generated stuff.
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tuning in guys and i'll catch you all in the
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