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Welcome to the AI Chat Podcast. I'm your host,

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Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting edge

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business. Welcome to the podcast. Today we're

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talking about Deezer that says AI generated tracks

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are now more than 50 % of all their daily uploads.

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So half of all music going up. is AI. And for

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those that don't know Deezer, it's essentially

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a Spotify or Apple music competitor. It's the

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biggest one in France. When I, you know, I lived

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in France for a couple years, that's basically

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whatever listens to music on and a lot of different

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places in Europe, it's pretty popular. And the

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reason why I think it's important is because

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I think it's indicative of what's happening in

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a lot of different geographies, not just France,

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but you're probably seeing something very similar

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on Apple and Spotify. So we're getting into the

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state of all of all of this with AI and music

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and an amazing community. Okay, let's talk about

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what's going on with Deezer. So this is a company

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that said that they're going to delist AI tracks

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that are unstreamed for six months because they

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said that they're getting 90 ,000 uploads per

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day. And so they're like, look, if you don't

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get any streams on your song for six months,

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we're just going to unlist you because we have

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so much music. Just the volume of it is insane.

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And I'm going to be honest, it's, you know, using

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a company like Suno, it's very easy to create

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a song that sounds good. And it's interesting

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because I know people have a lot of different

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opinions on this. I personally make a lot of

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money every single month from Spotify. A chunk

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of my catalog I made before AI was without using

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AI essentially, and a chunk of my catalog I've

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used with AI. Some songs I've remade with AI.

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since you know like a lot of stuff i made when

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i was in college my my the biggest part of my

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catalog is i would just basically make relaxing

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piano music i had a friend that was good at just

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playing relaxing piano music i'd get them to

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record for a couple hours i'd take that chop

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it into two minute chunks and just post it as

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songs online to study to or relaxing music most

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famously a lot of people laugh that i have a

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lot of music labeled relaxing music for your

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cat to help your cat relax and i make $600 a

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month than I have since I was in college on like

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an album of relaxing piano music for cats, which

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is kind of funny. So what's interesting about

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all of this, though, is I do make a lot of money

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from AI, but it's also stuff that's getting streamed

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and listened to. And I think there's a couple

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different arguments. Like I would say my preference

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is always going to be a real human singing, you

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can just kind of tell that the voices sound better,

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the instruments sound better, the lyrics sound

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better, like everything really sounds better

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about a human usually. And even if it's kind

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of unique or interesting, like that's the sound

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that you like to hear. But that being said, I

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have listened to some AI music, I was recently,

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you know, scrolling through Instagram, tapping

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on some Instagram stories, saw someone's story,

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there was a song in the background, I was like,

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yeah, that's pretty catchy song, looked it up.

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And sure enough, once I got it, I realized it

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was AI generated. Because by the way, it's person

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was doing something pretty sketchy. I think they

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use the name of another famous artist as the

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artist name. So that's how they got. streams

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on their song, but their song was pretty good.

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I actually really liked it. It was very wholesome,

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but it was AI generated. But the other day I

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was actually on YouTube and I found a whole playlist

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of this like folk music and the style I like.

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And it was AI generated and I clicked in. I honestly

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sounded great. So I listened to it for probably

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like half an hour. My wife was laughing at me,

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but I was like, honestly, sounds good. So I can

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see it both ways. And sometimes it's less obvious

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if it's instrumentals. It's not very obvious,

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right? Relaxing piano music that's AI generated

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sounds just like normal piano music to me. But

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if there's like singers and different instruments

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like guitar twang, I can usually hear. tell the

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AI generated. That's also because I'm generating

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a lot of stuff. So I get a good understanding

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of this. So there is money to be made and different

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streaming platforms are taking it different ways.

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We have a title that said, if you use AI generated

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music, they're not going to pay you streaming

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royalties. So you straight up just won't get

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paid on their platform. But at the same time,

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you know, a lot of people are making content

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that people do like. Now, where's the place for

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AI? or music in AI and AI in music. And like,

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what's the relationship with Spotify came up

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with a bunch of terms recently that basically,

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I mean, at the end of the day, it's if people

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like it, if it's high quality, then it's going

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to be streamed. My personal opinion is if you

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have content that sounds amazing, that is beautiful,

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using AI to help you with, I don't know, like.

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Like, for example, my wife is an artist and she

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releases all her own music. And I'm not going

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to lie. One of the biggest struggles we have,

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and it's just because this isn't our ballpark.

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I'm a podcaster and she's a full time mom for

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the most part. She's really good at writing songs.

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They sound amazing. She plays them live. But

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when it comes to recording, the recording process,

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the mixing, the mastering, all of that is basically

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the bane of our existence. We hate it. And I

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haven't gotten around to paying like a producer

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to go and make it all sound good or even to record

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it all. Because sometimes I'm like. shoot, the

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AC unit was on when we were recording. And there's

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like a hum in the background. Now we got to put

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some compressors on it. And I don't know really

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what I'm doing, if I'm being honest. So the problem

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is, I wish there was a way to if she could just

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record her music, how she does put it in some

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sort of AI platform, and it goes and like fixes

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everything for it to make it sound good, but

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it's still her it's still her playing, I would

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say, you know, right on. And that's honestly

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what a lot of plugins even on a lot of these

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music. editing platforms do like they're going

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and kind of manipulating things even there's

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like flex pitch or there's you know melodyne

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that's like auto correcting your your pitch a

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little bit so like there's all these things and

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ways that quote -unquote ai or computer software

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has been like used in people's music forever

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and somehow when it's like a kind of somewhat

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autonomous. People don't like it. But I think

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if you're a creative artist and you're using

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AI to help you with your flow, I mean, you're

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just using software. That's fantastic. I would

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even go so far as to say if you use Suno and

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just one shot at a song and you love it, I mean,

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it would be pretty cool if you could go find

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an actual person to record it and sing it and

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maybe polish or tweak a couple of the words that

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might sound weird or cringy or off. and, you

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know, have like a real person make it. I think

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that's amazing. Now, right now, I'm saying this

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all from the standpoint of AI generated music.

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I can, when I listen to it, I can tell it's AI

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generated, but that won't be the case forever.

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These models are getting better and better. The

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twang of the guitar is going to start sounding

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more natural. It's going to be just like how

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the tone of Claude when it talks has gotten so

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much better since the very early days. So I think

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a lot of things are changing there. What's interesting

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is the share of AI generated music has climbed

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from about 10%. And that was about 10 ,000 tracks

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a day on Deezer in January of last year. So just

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last year, 10 % AI. And it is now 40. And then

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it went to 44%, which is 75 ,000 tracks a day

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in April. And now we're at over 50%. So Deezer

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is going to remove all of the tracks. I mean,

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I basically think this is a server cost saving

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thing. There's so much content. And if it's not

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getting streamed, we're just going to pull it

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because obviously it's not popular. I mean, I

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think that's even generous. I would say, you

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know, if a song gets only like 100 listens a

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year or less than 100 listens a year, I'd probably

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pull it. with two or five of them, but I guess

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they're trying to leave something up there for

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creativity. There is some technology that flags

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outputs from Suno and Yudio, which are the two

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biggest AI music startups. Both of them have

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major copyright suits. Basically, Suno went and

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scraped all music, and that's what they used

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to train their model, which, by the way, I've

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been saying for years. I knew they did this because

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their models were just, it just felt like it

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was too good. If you've ever tried Suno, it's

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incredible. You can just make. absolutely amazing

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music, and you can one shot it. And so yeah,

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they went and scraped everyone's stuff. They

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also apparently scraped 100 ,000 podcasts. And

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it's for this reason that they are now actually

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ditching the old models that they use to make

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that they used all that content to make. And

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they're now retraining new models with content

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that they have licensed. And that's what they're

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going to, that's gonna be their new models that

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they're put out. So you're only gonna be able

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to use them with licensed content models, which

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is the right way to do it. It's kind of interesting,

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though. And I mean, I don't Yeah, I mean, obviously,

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they did it the wrong way and quote, unquote,

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illegal way. But at the end of the day, they

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probably couldn't have grown their company any

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other way. I know that's really controversial

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to say, but even with Claude, like the only reason

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Claude stayed relevant for so long is because

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it had a better tone than ChatGPT. And the reason

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they had a better tone is because they went and

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pirated every book in existence. So just better

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at writing and better at tone. And that's what

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Claude's competitive advantage is. Is there other

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ways to do it? Should people do it correctly?

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Yes, yes, yes, obviously. But... At the end of

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the day, could Suno have been a company? Let's

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say they were, you know, they were like they

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were unable to raise money because their model

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just sounded bad. So they stole everyone's stuff,

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made a model that sounded good, going to have

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to pay millions of dollars of fines. But they

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were also able to make a model that sounded good,

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prove that the use case work. from the proof

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of the use case, they were able to raise all

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the money to go and actually license the content

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and go pay the fines. So I don't know, like,

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it sounds kind of crazy. And my only other argument

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on this would be so I'm not saying that they

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should have done what they did or anything. But

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I mean, I don't see any other way their company

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could have really existed realistically. The

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other thing that I will say, and another argument

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on all of this is that the Chinese models do

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not have any of these kind of copyright restraints,

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and they could go make they could clone like

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clod clones they could download all the music

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like suno downloaded there would be no negative

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repercussions for them so if um you know some

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of these models were didn't do that, we'd probably

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have just a bunch of really good Chinese models,

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or maybe OpenAI would just be significantly less

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good with less competition. And they'd kind of

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have tried to fill in some of those gaps in the

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market. I'm not sure. It's definitely a very

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interesting area in the market. I will say that

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Deezer opened its detection tools to other platforms.

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They have AI detected music tools. They've let

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other people use that earlier this year. And

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they also released a scanner for Apple Music

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and Spotify playlists last month. So you can

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scan playlists that you listen to. to discover

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if there's AI generated music inside of them.

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So at the end of the day, I think disclosure

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is the key. If you're creating music and it's

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AI generated, it's got to be disclosed. People

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should know. Beyond that, you should have licenses

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to your stuff, which again, another interesting

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point is that Suno, right? When they downloaded

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everyone's stuff, they had in their terms like,

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hey, this is totally licensed. You can use this

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for whatever you want, commercial purposes. And

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I mean, to be fair, like I have done that. I've

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posted. music that i generated on suno online

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and i make money from it and i mean they had

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commercial purposes on my licensing so they're

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the ones getting the lawsuits and they're the

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ones that have to fight it but their users are

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fine because i mean what what did i know back

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then right so in any case it's a very crazy world

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it almost makes me wonder if i should go and

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like regenerate some of my songs once their new

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model that they have licensing comes out or if

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it matters or what the difference is. But anyways,

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crazy world with all of this AI generated stuff.

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If you're interested in making money from AI

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generated music, I have an entire course in the

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school community. So there's a link in the description

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to our school community. It's $19 a month if

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you access that course and over 100 other videos.

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I make about $3 ,000 a month right now just passively

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from my music catalog. And there's a lot of ways

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to do that. And a majority of it could done today

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with ai so if you want to check that out the

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link is in the description thanks so much for

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tuning in guys and i'll catch you all in the

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next episode