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Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting -edge
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.com. Okay, OpenAI is shipping GPT Live 1. So
this is a full duplex voice model. And what duplex
voice model means, well, this is actually kind
of crazy because Miriam Murady, who is formerly
at OpenAI, she released something recently with
her most recent company. Thinking Machine Labs,
where it's, I mean, essentially it looks like
OpenAI has just knocked her off. So this is going
to be interesting. Also, China has flagged Anthropix
Cloud Code. They say that this is a security
risk because there's some backdoor risks with
it, which I don't know. I just think anything
with security risk is ironic coming from China.
NVIDIA's Nemotron 3 Ultra has just hit closed
model parity at a 10x lower cost. And this is
from some experiments they've been doing on Langchain.
I'm really excited when we're able to get the
costs down on some of these. models. Meta is
adding a tamper -proof LED to their AI Meta glasses,
and they're also getting more data collection
from other parts of the glasses. So there's kind
of a mixed bag with what's going on there. An
AI, the OpenAI chief futurist, John HM, is leaving.
He's been there for nine years. He's one of the
OG trust and safety people over OpenAI. But let's
kick the podcast off with OpenAI's latest model,
GPT Live 1. This is a voice model. It listens
and it speaks at the same time. is something
that you've probably noticed a lot of these voice
models have struggled with in the past. If you're
talking to, you know, what voice mode is on chat
GPT right now, which by the way, this replaces
their advanced voice mode. But if you, if you've
ever talked to it before you talk, there's a
couple seconds of latency, then it responds back
to you. And they've done a lot of work to try
to like get that latency down as much as possible.
But what's really cool about these new live one
model is that it's literally listening and it's
able to listen and talk at the same time, because
that's how actual humans talk. When we're in
a conversation, we kind of interrupt each other.
We talk. over each other. They're saying something,
you're saying something. And I mean, the goal
is not to interrupt and talk over each other.
But it's just part of communication, right? Like,
we don't always wait for there to be a perfect
pause at the end of everything that someone says
before we jump in. So that's what these models
are getting really good at, which is really interesting.
And what's to me really crazy about this is that
Miriam Marotti released a model just like this
a number of months ago. I remember covering it
on the podcast and it was like the big thing
from Thinking Machine Labs. And I was like, man,
this is a really cool idea and concept. Well,
turns out, you know, a couple months later, anyone
that releases any sort of cool new feature, a
couple months later, the Frontier Labs are going
to be able to clone it, reverse engineer and
put it out themselves because, you know, they
don't want to fall behind. The reason why I think
this is one in particular is an important feature
is because there's three separate things that
are getting collapsed into one step. Number one,
it's cutting the delay. So it's going to let
your conversation be way more natural. And they're
also going to be rolling this out to 150 million
chat GPT voice users. And finally, the way this
works is really interesting to me. So there's
something called GPT live one mini, and this
is going to be for basically all of the free
users, it's kind of the default. But if you're
on the paid tier, if you're paying $20 a month
for chat GPT, you get the larger GPT live one,
which is going to send some of the harder questions
over to GPT. 5 .5 mid conversation. So you're
going to be talking in the middle of the conversation.
If you're saying something kind of complex and
it's getting like, I mean, basically get half
your sentence, send it over to GPT 5 .5 to try
to come up with a response and send it back and
put it out before you even finish your sentence,
which is really crazy. It can be interrupted
in the middle of a sentence. So if it's talking,
you can interrupt it. It handles silences while
you think. So just because, you know, you're,
you're pausing to think about something doesn't
mean it feels like it has to jump in, which is
something really annoying. I feel like I can
barely like keep my thoughts. Like I can barely
think when I'm talking to these things because
I got to talk so fast because if I stop talking,
it's going to want to jump in and start talking
to me. So I really appreciate that. And it's
going to show charts or images alongside whatever
you're talking to it about, which, you know,
before it was just kind of this like animated
strobe on your screen. But now if you're talking,
you're like, hey, you know, what are the, you
know, what's the weather going to be like? It's
actually pulling up weather charts on the screen
while it talks to you. So you get visual and
audio, which is really cool. The product leave
on this is or the product lead is Addy. Letty.
He said that he held a 30 to 40 minute conversation
with the model on walks. And I think the goal
and probably the reason why they're telling us
this is because they're trying to make this something
for or trying to explain this is really good
for long running tasks. This isn't just quick
commands like, hey, what's the weather like?
It's like, hey, I'm trying to break down this
complex business plan that I want to, you know,
create. talk with me about this, or I'm trying
to figure out what the best strategy is for XYZ,
talk to me about this. And you go and have a
40 minute conversation to learn something to
plan something to actually get something done,
which if I'm being honest, I was kind of moving
away from opening eye and chat GPT for a while
because it didn't feel like that was their focus.
And I was going to Claude, but I've been trying
out a bunch of things on chat GPT lately, mostly
like whenever my whenever my tokens, my token
limits reach on Claude, I go back to chat GPT.
And I've been really impressed by the research
it can do, where I'm like, hey, you know, go
scrape like these 5000 things and do an analysis
on these different websites or these different
products and like, bring me back, you know, help
me create a list of 365 XYZ things I can do for
this, like it goes and get some real serious
work done. So I'm really excited. I think the
reason why this is particularly important beyond
just humans is because we're going to have a
lot of work with earbuds and wearables that OpenAI
is currently working on. And so a lot of the
hardware that they're making, these tools are
going to be really useful for. And, you know,
when we start talking about robots, getting them
and all that kind of stuff and be able to communicate
with that, this is going to be important that
the communication is as smooth as possible. China
is flagging Anthropics Cloud Code as a security
backdoor risk, which is hilarious because China
has been accused of putting backdoors into chips
and hardware inside of China for many years on,
you know, servers and all sorts of crazy stuff.
But this in particular, I do think is probably
accurate. What they've said is that Claude Code
has a backdoor vulnerability that's going to
leak your location and your identity data. And
they're telling everyone in China to uninstall
or to upgrade the version if you have something
installed between April and June to upgrade it.
The advisory is interesting because Claude Code
isn't officially sold in China. So, you know,
Alibaba has banned Anthropic Tools company -wide.
This is also a week after Anthropic accused Alibaba
of stealing. their AI technology. And what was
interesting to me is there's like some, some
moments where different people inside of I think
Exomi, they had like an AI, AI developer conference,
I think, and they were kind of publicly acknowledging
that they were using cloud code at a state organized
forum. This is back in March, even though it's,
you know, officially not available in China.
So it's funny, because it's like officially not
available, officially not sold, Alibaba is banning
it, no one's supposed to be using it. And yet
China's like warning everybody, like they know
they're using it. Anyways, it's kind of crazy.
What I do think is important, though, is this
particular flag they have is version 2 .191 to
2 .19656. But we're already on 2 .12 for the
version that we're currently on. So if you're
on the latest Anthropic thing, this isn't really
relevant to you. Most modern coding assistants,
so if you look at like OpenAI and Google, they're
sending what's called... telemetry and crash
reports back to the main servers. And anytime
that something happens, I think this is what
China is worried about the crash reports, they're
worried has too much information about the users
in it. But China wasn't really clarifying if
quad code was the only one doing this, why they
were singled out and not like open AI and Google.
I'm not even sure if Google's is available in
China. So anyways, it's China's a crazy, crazy
place. In a big win for open source models, NVIDIA's
open source Nemotron 3 Ultra model now matches
the best closed AI systems on business tasks.
So not everything, but business tasks specifically,
and it can do them at a tenth of the cost. Langchain
actually tuned the agent software around the
model without retraining it. And they basically
proved that the right engineering environment
can compete with really expensive proprietary
AI when it comes to doing enterprise work. So
you can get these open source models, if you
fine tune them, you can get them just as good
for way cheaper than something like Anthropic
or OpenAI. lane chain, adjusted system prompts,
tool descriptions, and middleware. They did all
of that to really just squeeze the top tier performance.
Then they put it through the deep agent benchmark.
Ambridge, Amdocs, Box, and EY are already building
specialized agents on this exact stack for their
platforms and their workflows. The tuned model
is live on six hosting providers, so you can
get it on Bastion, Crusoe Cloud, Deep Infra,
Firework, Nebius, and together AI, which is what
I use for AI. box. So it's, you know, pretty
widely available. This is really exciting. And
I believe we actually do have pneumotron over
on AI box right now, which by the way, if you
haven't tried AI box .ai, my own startup, we
have over 80 different AI models all on there.
So for $8 .99 a month, you get access to all
of the top AI image, audio, video, and even music
models. So if you don't want to have to have
subscriptions to all of these different things
and have, you know, logins on a ton of different
platforms, just go to one place, AI box .ai.
We even have an MCP that will tie all of those
models. into things like clod so if you want
to get like image and audio and video inside
of clod you can use our mcp $8 .99 a month i'll
leave a link in the description to that as well
Meta just added a tamper -proof LED to their
AI glasses, and it disables the camera if the
light is modified or destroyed. So the idea being,
you know, you want to know when someone's recording
you with the Meta Ray -Bans or any of these other
Meta AI smart glasses. A lot of people have been
complaining about, you know, non -consensual
recording. People are recording them when they
don't know or they don't consent. People are
in the gym recording, whatever. And so they've
added a light, which I think a lot of devices
have, like a light that pops on when it's recording
so you know someone's recording. Theoretically,
someone could go with like a pin and just like,
you know, kind of shatter the LED bulb or wreck
it, right? So it doesn't turn on or cover it
or do something. So they're making it so that
you can't tamper with it. If it's broken, it
won't actually record. And this is, I mean, I
think a lot of people are really excited about
that. But this is also happening the same week
that Meta is expanding the data collection elsewhere.
So they're going to be allowing their AI to train
on public Instagram photos by default. And they're
testing glasses that continuously collect audio
and they snap photos. every few seconds, which
come on, that's terrifying. But I mean, maybe
like they're milled in a product that they think
some people will like that. I really doubt that.
But this particular prototype that is under testing
is going to move the glasses from being an on
-demand camera, right? So you're like, hey, Meta,
record whatever I'm doing. And it turns on to
actually just being always on and having an always
-on sensor. And it's feeding continuous audio
and periodic photos to Meta's AI systems. They
don't have a date launch for this. I hope there'll
be a way to opt out. Otherwise, I don't imagine
these glasses will continue to be very popular.
For the Instagram thing, this is a change that
will affect... about a billion that, you know,
billions of photos for users. Most like everyone
posting is not wanting their photos to be trained,
like AI to be trained on them. So that's going
to be kind of crazy. OpenAI's chief futurist,
Joshua Achim, is leaving after about nine years.
He's one of the safety advocates that's been
at the company the longest since the early days.
He is leaving, and he's the fifth senior safety
-focused leader to leave OpenAI in the last two
years, right? They're getting ready to go public.
He actually joined as an intern back in 2017,
and then he led their mission alignment team
until it was disabled, or I guess like disbanded.
Sam Altman got rid of it back in February of...
this year. Then he moved into chief futurist
role and was kind of studying AI harms and benefits.
Five different safety -adjacent leaders have
now left OpenAI since 2024, and a lot of them
have started non -profits focused on AI safety
standards. The former White House AI advisor
Dean Ball started this week as the head of strategic
futures and is going to briefly overlap with
Etcham before he actually leaves and will kind
of take over a lot of policy -focused research
work without having a direct replacement for
the chief futurist title. So if you believe you'd
be perfect for that job, maybe you should send
in your application to OpenAI. Guys, thank you
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