WEBVTT 00:00:02.239 --> 00:00:04.780 Welcome to the AI Chat Podcast. I'm your host, 00:00:04.860 --> 00:00:07.179 Jaden Schaefer. Every day I cover cutting -edge 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:09.320 AI news and talk with the leaders behind it, 00:00:09.339 --> 00:00:11.300 breaking down what it means for your life and 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:18.140 business. Anthropix Claude Fable 5 is back along 00:00:18.140 --> 00:00:21.460 with Mythos 5. The US has lifted export controls 00:00:21.460 --> 00:00:24.859 on it. And SpaceX is showing investors a handset 00:00:24.859 --> 00:00:27.839 -like AI device prototype. Meta is planning a 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:29.780 cloud business where they're essentially going 00:00:29.780 --> 00:00:32.640 to resell AI compute, just like SpaceX copying 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.359 their playbook. A company called Bioshocking 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.049 has... created a jailbreak attack on six different 00:00:38.049 --> 00:00:41.109 AI browsers, everything from OpenAI to Anthropic 00:00:41.109 --> 00:00:43.850 to Gemini, and it has convinced them that 2 plus 00:00:43.850 --> 00:00:46.270 2 equals 5. There's some reasons why this is 00:00:46.270 --> 00:00:48.509 problematic. I'll get into them. Cloudflare is 00:00:48.509 --> 00:00:51.509 also going to block mixed -use AI crawlers by 00:00:51.509 --> 00:00:53.130 default, and that's going to start in September 00:00:53.130 --> 00:00:55.929 this year. Google is bringing Gemini Spark Agent 00:00:55.929 --> 00:00:58.450 to Mac. They're targeting essentially Cloud Desktop 00:00:58.450 --> 00:01:01.070 and Copilot, and there's a lot of beef that they're 00:01:01.070 --> 00:01:03.490 having with Anthropic over this. The majority 00:01:03.490 --> 00:01:06.090 of you guys leave amazing reviews on the show, 00:01:06.150 --> 00:01:08.049 but every once in a while I get a one star, and 00:01:08.049 --> 00:01:09.829 I'm going to be honest, these are some of my 00:01:09.829 --> 00:01:11.689 favorite reviews to read. I want to read you 00:01:11.689 --> 00:01:14.310 one of my favorites I just got a month ago. It 00:01:14.310 --> 00:01:16.909 says, if you want a rehash of quote -unquote 00:01:16.909 --> 00:01:20.390 real news with naive commentary by a tween, this 00:01:20.390 --> 00:01:23.269 will be perfect for you. That's from IHateNicknames99. 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:25.840 much appreciated. And this is kind of funny because 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.739 I actually get, uh, if you search for my name, 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.280 Jaden Schaefer, one of the top, like Google shows 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:31.879 you the other things people search for. And one 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.400 of the top things is Jaden Schaefer age that 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.159 people search for guys. Uh, this one says I'm 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:40.060 between. So just so you know, I am 30 years old 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:42.439 with four children. I have a young face. But 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:43.939 anyways, that was one of my favorite reviews. 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.939 If you like the show, you don't think that it 00:01:46.939 --> 00:01:51.000 is a naive commentary rehash of fake news, I 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.579 would appreciate a review. We got to offset this 00:01:53.579 --> 00:01:56.840 one star. But in all seriousness, I appreciate 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:58.359 all the incredible reviews you guys left. And 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.280 if you haven't left one already, I would appreciate 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.739 it. I might even read it on the show. Let's get 00:02:02.739 --> 00:02:04.760 into our first story with Fable 5. The U .S. 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.540 Commerce Department is lifting export restrictions 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:09.759 on... Fable 5, and I think they actually announced 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:11.919 this yesterday. Because of that, they've rolled 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.139 it out today. I actually have it on my computer, 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.539 and while we've been talking for the last couple 00:02:16.539 --> 00:02:18.539 hours, I actually had to go and scan through 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:20.900 the entire code base of one of my bigger projects. 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.240 I have a really big project that is basically, 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.379 I just use it internally for myself to help with 00:02:25.379 --> 00:02:27.620 all the marketing and everything I do with podcasting, 00:02:27.620 --> 00:02:30.699 as well as everything that I do for SEO. I have 00:02:30.699 --> 00:02:32.460 a new site, which kind of goes along with this 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:36.620 website, AIChatDaily .com, and it uses AI and 00:02:36.620 --> 00:02:38.530 a bunch of other different sources. to generate 00:02:38.530 --> 00:02:40.770 news articles about everything happening in AI 00:02:40.770 --> 00:02:43.750 and do deep dives on it. Now, it's a really beefy 00:02:43.750 --> 00:02:46.210 project. There's a lot going on there. And I'm 00:02:46.210 --> 00:02:48.550 thinking of turning it into a product anyway. 00:02:48.650 --> 00:02:50.550 So I had Fable 5 run through the whole thing. 00:02:50.669 --> 00:02:53.050 And if you have any sort of project that you've 00:02:53.050 --> 00:02:55.270 been working on, whether that's coding or whether 00:02:55.270 --> 00:02:56.949 that's just a big project that has a lot of moving 00:02:56.949 --> 00:03:00.370 parts, I would recommend using Fable 5 on it 00:03:00.370 --> 00:03:04.050 today. Up until July 7th, we have the ability 00:03:04.050 --> 00:03:06.349 to use Fable 5 for about 50 % of all of your 00:03:06.349 --> 00:03:08.069 tokens. After that, I think it's going to get 00:03:08.069 --> 00:03:10.349 cut down. If you want to use Fable 5 for more 00:03:10.349 --> 00:03:12.389 than 50 % of your, you know, Claude Max tokens 00:03:12.389 --> 00:03:15.870 or whatever, you have to pay, you know, the API 00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:18.590 costs. So you're not going to be able to like 00:03:18.590 --> 00:03:21.189 totally max this thing out. So I would use it. 00:03:21.189 --> 00:03:23.830 You have one week from today to get as much usage 00:03:23.830 --> 00:03:26.229 out of it. And I would 100 % do that. It's really 00:03:26.229 --> 00:03:28.849 smart at coding and understanding complex stuff. 00:03:28.949 --> 00:03:30.550 So run it through all of your systems, run it 00:03:30.550 --> 00:03:32.569 through all of your code bases. Today is the 00:03:32.569 --> 00:03:35.370 day to get it. That's just a PSA. Anthropic is 00:03:35.370 --> 00:03:37.319 actually blogging. blocked. So in order to get 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.759 this thing put back online, because it was basically 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.800 blocked over concerns that it was going to help 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.840 foreign adversaries attack US infrastructure, 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.439 power grids, banks, that kind of stuff. And so 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.539 Um, this all came from, uh, Amazon who actually 00:03:49.539 --> 00:03:52.039 did a whole research project on a jailbreak that 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.099 they found and they showed this to the treasure, 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:57.080 the treasury. Um, and then, you know, it got 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.219 blocked and there was all this snafu about it 00:03:59.219 --> 00:04:01.719 in all of the, in all of the drama that happened. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.360 Anthropica originally said, Hey, look, we don't 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.419 need to fix this, um, issue. I think Amazon went 00:04:06.419 --> 00:04:07.879 to them first and they didn't do anything. Then 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:09.620 they went to the treasury and Anthropica said, 00:04:09.699 --> 00:04:10.819 Hey, look, we don't need to fix this because 00:04:10.819 --> 00:04:12.819 open AI has, you know, the same jailbreak as 00:04:12.819 --> 00:04:15.280 possible on open AI and Gemini. And so I'm not 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.519 exactly sure what happened. there, but Anthropic 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.139 got Fable 5 pulled and they've now fixed it. 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.259 Apparently with that jailbreak that Amazon discovered, 00:04:22.420 --> 00:04:24.579 they've now fixed it. So over 99 % of cases, 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.399 it actually is going to, you know, stop and has 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.120 guardrails stopping people using that jailbreak. 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:32.819 They also have a dedicated internal team that 00:04:32.819 --> 00:04:35.500 now monitors jailbreak reports 24 -7 and Anthropic 00:04:35.500 --> 00:04:38.560 launched a HackerOne bug bounty program for security 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.439 researchers. This is actually awesome. And I've 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.899 seen a lot of bad PR from security researchers, 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:44.939 not just with Anthropic, but with a lot of other 00:04:44.939 --> 00:04:47.360 models. probable had it for a while, where there'd 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.399 be big security breaches, vulnerabilities, issues, 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.079 and the platforms are like, look, this isn't 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.019 our fault because of X, Y, Z reason. They would 00:04:54.019 --> 00:04:57.439 kick the can down the road. And yeah, just not 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.279 a very good thing when we need to be pretty secure 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:01.920 on a lot of this stuff. So happy that Anthropic 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.779 has launched this. Mythos 5 has also returned 00:05:04.779 --> 00:05:09.060 to US users on June 26th. Fable 5 is now globally 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:11.459 available without export licensing requirements. 00:05:12.339 --> 00:05:15.110 Obviously, Anthropic is moving very fast. weeks 00:05:15.110 --> 00:05:17.509 since they were shut down, and now they're fully 00:05:17.509 --> 00:05:21.050 back online and the ban has been lifted. SpaceX 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:24.449 is showing investors a new handset. It's a prototype 00:05:24.449 --> 00:05:27.189 of an AI device. It's slimmer than an iPhone, 00:05:27.350 --> 00:05:30.730 and it runs on custom software and XAI tech. 00:05:30.990 --> 00:05:33.750 This is probably going to put Elon Musk into 00:05:33.750 --> 00:05:35.649 direct competition with OpenAI and Johnny Ive 00:05:35.649 --> 00:05:37.949 because they're also creating the hardware, doing 00:05:37.949 --> 00:05:39.449 some sort of hardware play, although they haven't 00:05:39.449 --> 00:05:41.920 said the exact form factor yet. I think this 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.920 is showing that XAI and SpaceX really is making 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.319 a very serious bet on building AI devices. Now, 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:49.339 this is going to be, I guess, kind of tricky 00:05:49.339 --> 00:05:52.399 because up until this point, the humane AI pin 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.620 failed, you know, dramatically with, you know, 00:05:54.620 --> 00:05:57.939 800 or yeah, $800 million, almost a billion dollars 00:05:57.939 --> 00:05:59.899 raised. That whole company went up in smoke. 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:02.819 I think it sold to HP for like 300 million. And 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:05.959 then we also had the Rabbit R1 that kind of flopped, 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.230 to be honest, that we have the... friend pendant 00:06:08.230 --> 00:06:10.930 that flopped. I will say the one AI device that 00:06:10.930 --> 00:06:12.910 really crushed is the meta Ray -Ban or the meta 00:06:12.910 --> 00:06:15.170 smart glass collaboration that they've done with 00:06:15.170 --> 00:06:17.189 a bunch of different companies. That one seems 00:06:17.189 --> 00:06:19.029 to be doing quite well. And actually, that's 00:06:19.029 --> 00:06:20.670 the first time I think we've seen a really successful 00:06:20.670 --> 00:06:24.279 AI hardware combo. Maybe SpaceX has the next 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:26.160 one. Maybe OpenAI has the next one. We have some 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:27.879 of these big players making moves, but we don't 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.360 know exactly what they're doing. Apparently, 00:06:30.459 --> 00:06:33.399 they're going to be betting that AI devices that 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.120 don't have, you know, Android or iOS on them 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:37.879 are going to be successful. I think Apple's also 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.220 making some glasses, by the way. So because SpaceX 00:06:40.220 --> 00:06:42.779 acquired XAI, they're able to roll their technology 00:06:42.779 --> 00:06:44.800 in. It looks like they're trying to do what OpenAI 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.459 is doing. They're trying to pull, you know, the 00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:48.459 model, the operating system, the hardware, and 00:06:48.459 --> 00:06:50.500 bring it all into one thing, copying, you know, 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.910 what like Apple has done. has manufactured scale 00:06:53.910 --> 00:06:57.050 and silicone access through tesla so they're 00:06:57.050 --> 00:06:59.290 able to pull off a hardware device right i mean 00:06:59.290 --> 00:07:02.050 tesla's got so many gigafactories and so much 00:07:02.050 --> 00:07:05.490 uh you know manufacturing capacity a partnership 00:07:05.490 --> 00:07:08.069 there would not be hard they also have starlink 00:07:08.069 --> 00:07:10.389 mobile which is a native wireless connectivity 00:07:10.389 --> 00:07:12.629 i think they have a lot of possibility there 00:07:12.629 --> 00:07:15.019 and To be fair, I've actually heard Elon Musk 00:07:15.019 --> 00:07:18.199 in the past being frustrated with Apple and iPhone 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:20.319 saying like, hey, do we need a Tesla phone? Or 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.639 maybe that was comments I saw on a post of him 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:24.420 being frustrated at Apple. They had a beef a 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:26.779 little while back and then he talked to Tim Cook 00:07:26.779 --> 00:07:28.339 and I think they smoothed it all out. Oh, you 00:07:28.339 --> 00:07:30.819 know what? It was when Apple pulled off of X 00:07:30.819 --> 00:07:34.439 because they said that Elon and everything on 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.759 X was bad, right? So back in that moment when 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.220 all the advertisers were pulling, that was something 00:07:39.220 --> 00:07:42.000 that happened. So with all of that, I would... 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.100 be really curious to see if they would go after 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:45.439 a phone. I don't know if they'd go for a full 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:46.839 phone market or they'll make something kind of 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.379 custom for themselves, but they have a lot of 00:07:50.379 --> 00:07:53.000 the pieces, especially with Starlink. If they 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.100 were to roll out, let's say Starlink, and they 00:07:55.100 --> 00:07:56.860 made a phone, for example, where you got the 00:07:56.860 --> 00:07:58.779 phone and it had, you know, worldwide connectivity 00:07:58.779 --> 00:08:01.000 for a really cheap price, it'd be interesting 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:02.680 to see, you know, if they would be able to compete 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.699 in any meaningful way. Maybe they would have 00:08:04.699 --> 00:08:06.920 an Android spinoff, although I don't feel like 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.060 Elon would want to play with Google. Meta is 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:12.160 copying the SpaceX playbook and is planning to 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.139 resell AI Compute. What's interesting to me is 00:08:15.139 --> 00:08:17.300 it feels like basically we have all of these 00:08:17.300 --> 00:08:19.740 massive companies, all of them are doing some 00:08:19.740 --> 00:08:22.459 sort of data center build out, some sort of AI 00:08:22.459 --> 00:08:25.019 infrastructure build up. They realize just how 00:08:25.019 --> 00:08:27.240 powerful that is, but not all of their tools 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.019 are being used as much as they would want. I 00:08:29.019 --> 00:08:31.220 don't think Meta AI is scaling the way Mark Zuckerberg 00:08:31.220 --> 00:08:33.259 wanted, and I don't think Grok is scaling the 00:08:33.259 --> 00:08:35.620 way that Elon wanted. Now, they have a lot of 00:08:35.620 --> 00:08:37.620 great technology, et cetera, et cetera there, 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.379 but it feels like OpenAI and Anthropic are really 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:41.860 special. actually, Anthropic, are really running 00:08:41.860 --> 00:08:43.139 away with a lot of the market that they would 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:45.120 like, both of those companies. Now, what do they 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.620 do about that? They have all of this extra capacity. 00:08:48.100 --> 00:08:49.940 They'll rent it out to other people, and that 00:08:49.940 --> 00:08:52.299 looks to be exactly what Meta is doing. It's 00:08:52.299 --> 00:08:53.960 going to be called Meta Compute. It's basically 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.059 a cloud business. It's going to resell AI compute 00:08:56.059 --> 00:08:58.179 capacity. It's also going to host its own models, 00:08:58.240 --> 00:08:59.480 so Meta's going to get their own models on there, 00:08:59.539 --> 00:09:01.340 and they're competing directly with AWS, Google 00:09:01.340 --> 00:09:04.639 Cloud, and Azure, and SpaceX here. This is following 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.899 the $182 billion in infrastructure commitments, 00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:10.279 and it's very similar to what SpaceX has been 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.659 doing. Meta's Ohio data center, which Mark Zuckerberg 00:09:13.659 --> 00:09:16.759 described it as Manhattan -sized, is expected 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.720 to come online this year and it's going to generate 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.580 way more capacity than Meta's own products need. 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.139 I think, you know, in a perfect world, Meta AI 00:09:25.139 --> 00:09:26.860 would have been really popular and they would 00:09:26.860 --> 00:09:29.720 be able to use it all. I think... because it's 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.539 not there. They're just going to sell it to other 00:09:31.539 --> 00:09:33.860 players. The business is going to sell both raw 00:09:33.860 --> 00:09:35.320 compute. So it's going to be very similar to 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.360 CoreWeave. And they're going to have hosted access 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:39.399 to meta models. So that's going to be included 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.899 in their closed weight Muse Spark, which is very 00:09:42.899 --> 00:09:45.639 similar to what AWS's dual infrastructure plus 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:49.159 model approach is. SpaceX basically already proved 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.000 that this model works. XAI has signed deals with 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.659 Anthropic, Google, and Reflection AI to lease 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:57.460 Colossus 1 capacity, which is turning some of 00:09:57.460 --> 00:10:00.259 their excess compute into revenue immediately. 00:10:00.340 --> 00:10:02.000 And they're making billions of dollars doing 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.759 that. So I think Meta is just going to follow 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.710 in the footsteps there. There is a company and 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:10.029 a researcher named Roy Paz, and they demonstrated 00:10:10.029 --> 00:10:13.690 Bioshocking. This is a jailbreak that has defeated 00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:15.809 safety guardrails in six different browsers. 00:10:15.929 --> 00:10:19.450 That's ChatGPT Atlas, Perplexity's Comet, Faloo, 00:10:19.669 --> 00:10:23.389 Genspark, Sigma, and Claude's Chrome plugin. 00:10:23.509 --> 00:10:25.049 And essentially, they are tricking them into 00:10:25.049 --> 00:10:28.330 a fictitional context where credential theft 00:10:28.330 --> 00:10:31.269 is acceptable, right? They're like, look, it's 00:10:31.269 --> 00:10:33.730 totally cool to steal people's credentials. This 00:10:33.730 --> 00:10:35.539 kind of cybersecurity attack. in particular, 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.799 I think, is showing that there is a bit of an 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.620 architectural problem. A lot of the AI browsers, 00:10:40.740 --> 00:10:43.019 they merge, you know, a control plane, which 00:10:43.019 --> 00:10:45.320 is deciding what to do with the data plane, you 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.379 know, reading whatever content is on the web, 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:49.600 and then they make them vulnerable to prompt 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.340 injection at scale. And to be fair, I don't think 00:10:52.340 --> 00:10:54.779 this is something that is, like, this is something 00:10:54.779 --> 00:10:56.480 that's known. Like, I've heard perplexity comment, 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.179 and I've also heard Claude. for Chrome, I've 00:10:59.179 --> 00:11:01.720 heard both of these companies discuss this, like, 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:03.299 hey, guys, just so you know, when using these 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:05.700 tools, watch out. But this attack in particular 00:11:05.700 --> 00:11:09.399 was interesting. They stage a puzzle game that 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.820 rewards wrong answers like two plus two equals 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:14.480 five, which basically causes the models to treat 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.080 the entire section, the session as fiction. And 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.259 it disables the guardrails that normally block 00:11:20.259 --> 00:11:22.379 credential theft. So they're like, hey, look, 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:24.559 let's let's play a puzzle game. We're in a, you 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.500 know, a fictitious world where two plus two equals 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:28.129 five. And they're like, okay. two plus two equals 00:11:28.129 --> 00:11:30.070 five. And they're like, now, you know, because 00:11:30.070 --> 00:11:32.789 that's wrong, like credential theft is okay to 00:11:32.789 --> 00:11:34.529 do. Could you like grab their password and give 00:11:34.529 --> 00:11:35.629 it to us? And it's like, oh yeah, I'm in this 00:11:35.629 --> 00:11:37.230 fake world. Here's the password that I'm seeing 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:40.110 on the screen. So anyways, pretty crazy that 00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:41.850 they were able to figure this out. It's also 00:11:41.850 --> 00:11:44.590 crazy because that's very creative. I'm impressed 00:11:44.590 --> 00:11:47.230 that they found that. I wonder what kind of hunch 00:11:47.230 --> 00:11:49.350 led them to that conclusion to be able to find 00:11:49.350 --> 00:11:50.789 that jailbreak. But regardless, it's probably 00:11:50.789 --> 00:11:52.889 tons of these really weird, random edge case 00:11:52.889 --> 00:11:54.889 jailbreaks that people will find. Hopefully security 00:11:54.889 --> 00:11:57.529 researchers like this that... disclose it and 00:11:57.529 --> 00:11:59.509 get it patched. But there could be bad actors 00:11:59.509 --> 00:12:01.610 finding out these types of things as well. According 00:12:01.610 --> 00:12:03.629 to them, when they ran this particular jailbreak, 00:12:03.750 --> 00:12:06.850 all six agents failed to flag the final instruction, 00:12:07.090 --> 00:12:09.470 which was to go steal some of the some of the 00:12:09.470 --> 00:12:11.909 passwords. And they failed to say that that was 00:12:11.909 --> 00:12:14.830 a safety violation, which basically is proving 00:12:14.830 --> 00:12:18.330 that it would, it would go and do that for people. 00:12:18.389 --> 00:12:21.190 So unlike normal traditional browsers, which 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:23.789 are going to enforce same origin policies to 00:12:23.789 --> 00:12:28.929 isolate broad, you know, account access, and 00:12:28.929 --> 00:12:31.090 they can reach siloed credentials, repositories 00:12:31.090 --> 00:12:34.409 and mail through a single conversational request, 00:12:34.590 --> 00:12:36.269 right? In other words, you got a side pan on 00:12:36.269 --> 00:12:38.450 your AI browser, where you're like, hey, go check 00:12:38.450 --> 00:12:40.870 my email and go do this, go go to this website, 00:12:40.990 --> 00:12:42.750 grab this data. And it's just controlling your 00:12:42.750 --> 00:12:45.070 browser clicking around. And so they have just 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:47.970 so much, you know, power to do anything that 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:49.870 apparently, if you can jailbreak it, it can also 00:12:49.870 --> 00:12:52.389 go grab passwords and other things. Cloudflare 00:12:52.389 --> 00:12:55.429 is going to be blocking mixed use AI crawlers 00:12:55.429 --> 00:12:58.149 by default starting in September. So essentially 00:12:58.149 --> 00:13:00.409 what this means is that AI companies are going 00:13:00.409 --> 00:13:02.909 to be forced to separate whether they're being 00:13:02.909 --> 00:13:05.070 a search bot or whether they're grabbing data 00:13:05.070 --> 00:13:08.850 for training or whether they're an agent crawler. 00:13:08.889 --> 00:13:10.269 So there's kind of these three different things, 00:13:10.330 --> 00:13:12.409 right? Google that is going and searching through 00:13:12.409 --> 00:13:13.990 your website to get some information for somebody, 00:13:14.070 --> 00:13:16.210 maybe on Gemini or any of these other tools. 00:13:16.870 --> 00:13:19.149 or Google that is going to your website to scrape 00:13:19.149 --> 00:13:21.009 your data to put it into their training set, 00:13:21.129 --> 00:13:23.110 which is what they're trying to avoid, or if 00:13:23.110 --> 00:13:25.250 it's an agent going and doing something on your 00:13:25.250 --> 00:13:26.669 website. There's kind of three different things 00:13:26.669 --> 00:13:28.970 that you can go to a website for. And apparently, 00:13:29.029 --> 00:13:32.889 Cloudflare data shows that over 50 % of AI crawler 00:13:32.889 --> 00:13:37.230 traffic refetches unchanged pages, which is basically 00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:40.029 wasting a lot of resources and publisher bandwidth, 00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:42.549 right? So if you have, you know, you go crawl 00:13:42.549 --> 00:13:45.629 the website for one reason, then Google is going 00:13:45.629 --> 00:13:47.070 to just come. back and crawl it again for the 00:13:47.070 --> 00:13:48.710 next user request and crawl it again for the 00:13:48.710 --> 00:13:50.070 next user request. And it's just hitting the 00:13:50.070 --> 00:13:52.070 website server over and over again. The website 00:13:52.070 --> 00:13:53.950 owner is going to have to pay for all that usage. 00:13:54.070 --> 00:13:56.269 Google doesn't have to. So anyways, I think they're 00:13:56.269 --> 00:13:59.590 trying to solve that problem. They're shifting 00:13:59.590 --> 00:14:02.710 from a pay per crawl to a pay per use pricing. 00:14:03.429 --> 00:14:05.669 Cloudflare has all these pricing models. I mean, 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:07.669 in case people don't know, Cloudflare is basically 00:14:07.669 --> 00:14:10.129 a website that acts as kind of a middleman between 00:14:10.129 --> 00:14:12.730 your website and the web. And I actually have 00:14:12.730 --> 00:14:14.450 Cloudflare set up on all my websites. I've had 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:16.889 it for years. For me, it's been that they give 00:14:16.889 --> 00:14:21.149 you a free SSL certificate. And also they allow 00:14:21.149 --> 00:14:23.389 you, if someone's trying to DDoS attack, so if 00:14:23.389 --> 00:14:24.809 someone's trying to just like send tons of bots 00:14:24.809 --> 00:14:27.049 to your website to crash your server, they'll 00:14:27.049 --> 00:14:28.909 act as an intermediary and stop those attacks. 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:31.450 So Cloudflare is really useful and I get all 00:14:31.450 --> 00:14:33.490 of that for free. They got a bunch of paid tools 00:14:33.490 --> 00:14:35.169 that I think I pay for as well, but I get that 00:14:35.169 --> 00:14:38.470 for free on a ton of sites. And so it's a huge 00:14:38.470 --> 00:14:40.710 percentage of the internet has them. They have 00:14:40.710 --> 00:14:43.149 a bunch of programs that they have like pay -per 00:14:43.149 --> 00:14:46.120 -crawl and pay -per -use. pricing, where if you 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:47.840 want to go crawl a website that has this enabled, 00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:49.799 and they have Cloudflare, your company is going 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.220 to have to pay to go and crawl those websites. 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:54.919 Now, not everyone has opted in and not everyone 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:57.259 is signed up with this program. But this is what 00:14:57.259 --> 00:14:59.600 they're kind of working towards ceramic .ai and 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.639 u .com, which is like a browser, I've had the 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.120 CEO of u .com on the podcast in the past. Both 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.580 of those have signed up to be partners on this 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:08.600 new model. So it's going to be interesting to 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:10.799 see if they're actually able to help generate 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.600 revenue for people if they're able to get bought. 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:15.779 traffic to your website down and where that goes. 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:17.580 Okay, last thing I want to talk about is that 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:20.720 Google is bringing their Gemini Spark agent to 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.919 Mac computers, and they're trying to compete 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.519 with Cloud Desktop and Copilot, which are basically 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.679 my two favorite tools I use all the time, and 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.799 I think also Microsoft Copilot. But basically, 00:15:30.860 --> 00:15:33.960 this is going to open local file access and multi 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:36.480 -app automations to Google AI Ultra subscribers. 00:15:36.779 --> 00:15:38.320 This is only in the United States, by the way, 00:15:38.379 --> 00:15:40.740 but I think this is for a lot of workflows that 00:15:40.740 --> 00:15:43.320 let Spark do things like sorting invoices. I 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.779 mean, everything that you'd go and get ChatGPT 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:48.559 desktop to, or sorry, that you get Claude desktop 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.970 to do. Gemini is going to now have a competitor, 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:54.070 Gemini Spark. And I think we see this also like 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:57.350 OpenAI is doing some version of this with Codex 00:15:57.350 --> 00:16:02.210 and you have Perplexity that has Perplexity Computer 00:16:02.210 --> 00:16:04.029 that's trying to do the same thing. So anyways, 00:16:04.129 --> 00:16:05.809 there's a bunch of different people, but Google 00:16:05.809 --> 00:16:07.710 is getting in. It feels like Google is trying 00:16:07.710 --> 00:16:10.389 to keep up basically. This is a great tool though. 00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:12.289 I love these things where you download it directly 00:16:12.289 --> 00:16:13.830 onto your computer so it can have access to your 00:16:13.830 --> 00:16:16.070 files. There's so many projects where it's not 00:16:16.070 --> 00:16:18.789 just browser stuff. Google has been able to do 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:21.539 some cool stuff. with some of their Chrome extensions 00:16:21.539 --> 00:16:24.200 and that kind of thing. Being able to have an 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.440 actual app on your computer unlocks it where 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.580 the app can control your computer. And I'm like, 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:31.159 hey, go grab the files from here, sort them, 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:33.559 relabel them this way, move them over to this 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.259 folder, organize things, delete the old stuff, 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.580 reformat stuff, and everything on my computer 00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:40.360 I'm able to work with. I do that all right now 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.340 with Claude Cowork, but it's going to be cool 00:16:43.340 --> 00:16:45.659 to be able to also use some Google tools as well 00:16:45.659 --> 00:16:48.379 for this. If you are sick of Claude only being 00:16:48.379 --> 00:16:50.440 able to generate text and code and not being 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.779 able to generate images, audio, video, music, 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:54.539 and everything else that the other AI models 00:16:54.539 --> 00:16:57.379 can. I would love for you to try out AIbox .ai. 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:59.720 This is my own startup. You get access to over 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.019 80 different models and we have an MCP that plugs 00:17:02.019 --> 00:17:05.000 them all straight into Clod. So you can use Clod, 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.279 connect it to over 80 different models, everything 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.859 from OpenAI to Gemini to Grok to 11 Labs, tons 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:13.500 of cool image, audio, and video models. You can 00:17:13.500 --> 00:17:17.220 get them all on AIbox .ai. It is $8 a month and 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:19.500 you can plug it straight into Clod. All right. 00:17:19.539 --> 00:17:21.019 Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast. 00:17:21.259 --> 00:17:23.470 You get a link to... AI box .ai in the description 00:17:23.470 --> 00:17:25.029 and I'll catch you in the next episode.