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Welcome to Everyone Deserves Sunshine. I'm Diana.

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And I'm Anusha. We're the girls in the crease.

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And today we're going to be talking about the

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book versus the show. And versus is maybe a strong

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word. We're not like doing a comparison. We're

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just doing a side -by -side analysis. How about

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that? Correct. Yes, correct. But before we get

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started, Anusha, have you by any chance, because

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last time we talked, you said you were really

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into hockey, right? Yes. So have you by any chance

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been watching any at all lately? I have been

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watching Why You Ask because the Flyers won their

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matchup against the Penguins. I have such a soft

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spot for the Penguins because I lived in Pittsburgh,

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loved living in Pittsburgh. My husband and I

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were just newly married, but obviously I'm a

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Flyers fan. So yeah, I felt a little twinge,

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but mostly like absolute glee that they won.

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Have you, did you watch the game? I didn't watch

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the whole game. I watched the highlights and

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everybody and their mother told me about it,

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including my brother. So, yeah, it looked like

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an awesome game. And I'm glad we won. And I'm

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not sorry about the Penguins. So there. Even

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though Sidney Crosby is the apparent inspiration

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for Shane. Yeah, I mean, even though. What if

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he was the inspiration for Ilya? I would feel

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maybe differently. You keep thinking, you keep

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insinuating. are listeners. And I want to make

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one thing very clear because I feel like you

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are insinuating something that's not true. I

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love Shane. I love him with all of my heart.

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I love Ilya with all of my heart. And not a day

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goes by that I don't think about both of them.

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So I'm not just in love with Ilya. I'm in love

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with both of them. Now that I've made that clear.

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Okay, we can get to our analysis. But first,

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I would like to tell our listeners that if you

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haven't read the book, there might be some spoilers

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in this conversation that sort of foreshadow

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into season two. But this is just a fair warning

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to everyone who is listening. There might be

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spoilers for the next season here. We will do

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our best, but we can't control ourselves sometimes.

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And that will be that. Anusha, do you agree?

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I agree that we can't control ourselves sometimes.

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And yes, this episode entitled Book v. Show does,

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in fact, contain spoilers for the book. And with

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that disclaimer, let's move on to our analysis.

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Yes, let's do it. I'm so excited. Anusha, I think

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you wanted to start. I think you wanted to talk

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about the vibes. Okay. So when I was like sketching

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out this episode for us to like talk through,

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I just said, oh, the first part, we'll just talk

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about vibes. And you were just like, I don't

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know what that means. And, you know, to be fair,

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I do have the language of the youth on my side.

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Wow. Wow. You know what? Fine. Fine. You are

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youthful. You are very cool. And you can have

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the cool vocabulary of vibes. So please explain

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to us, all of us, all of us elderloons, what

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you mean by vibes. Okay. So what I just kind

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of meant was the general sort of atmosphere of

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the book and the show. And I just feel like this

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was a really faithful translation of book into

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show. What do you think? I agree. I think you

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read the books. I always forget. Did you read

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the books before or after? After. Okay, same.

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So from what I heard from people who read the

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book before, and that's a lot of people, obviously,

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they say that the adaptation was so well done

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and so close. And even though I read it after

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the fact, like I agree, definitely very close

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to the book. I know Jacob obviously made changes,

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which we're going to discuss, but I agree with

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you. The vibes are very similar. The vibes are

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similar. I think what was the challenge, though,

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reading the book, which is 200 plus pages long

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and the show, which is six episodes long, is

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that Jacob has to essentially capture a novel

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that has a lot of internal dialogue and then

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externalize it for an audience. But you're still

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trying to maintain the intimacy of the book because

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the book is like all about thoughts and emotions

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under the surface. Right. That, I think, was

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really hard to do. And I think he really did

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succeed in that tightrope because you really

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have to transform thoughts into a visual sequence.

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Yeah. Not to mention that, you know, you said

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a book into six episodes, but it was two books,

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right? Like we have also the Game Changer book,

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right? take two books and put them into six episodes

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was incredible work. So I agree. And all of that

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dialogue and all internal thoughts, like Jacob

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did an amazing job, but like obviously so did

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the actors, right? Like they had to read those

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scripts and they read the books and they knew

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the character so well in order to play them.

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I'm a consumer, as you know, of spitting romance

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novels. I came out of that closet episode one.

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The way it's usually portrayed is really unserious,

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you know, unserious stuff. And I read a thread

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or something that said, Jacob Tierney took the

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most unserious genre and made it the most serious

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thing he could have ever made. I think we're

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going to start with like scene breakdown analysis,

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right? And yeah, and I think that we're going

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to try to stay chronological, but obviously we're

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going to have to not be totally chronological.

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But yeah, we'll do our best. And the book starts

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with the prologue. The prologue is set in 2016,

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right? It does a good job setting the way in

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which this situationship is heading. I found

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the prologue to be like really bleak. Now I understand

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what Jacob in the show was working towards from

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the start of it. You really see how deeply non

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-verbally communicative they are. but also how

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absolutely separate they are at this point in

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2016 in the prologue. They're not communicating

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with words well, but there is a language between

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them that is established, like the language on

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the ice, all the little chirps. And we have the

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immense loss. Shane got walloped by the Raiders.

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And then the subsequent care in terms of physical

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affection that... Ilya demonstrates. Do you remember

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that scene in Jurassic Park? I swear this is

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going to make sense where you see that. We'll

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see about that. It's it's it's my process where

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you see that insect trapped in amber. You know

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what I'm talking about? He's holding it up and

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it's perfectly beautifully preserved. That's

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what that scene reminded me of. I wrote it down.

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Insect trapped in amber because it just evoked

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the sense of claustrophobia in me because. It's

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preserved, but it's also killing it inside. You

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know what I mean? Like the love and the care

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and the affection that they're showing each other

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is part of the problem because they are not.

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communicating in a way that is going to suffocate

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them. In the show, Ilya and Shane have their

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meetups in their own places, right? Like Shane's

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apartment, Shane's actual apartment. And the

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hotel rooms. And the hotel rooms. But yeah, but

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Shade actually bought a... freaking building

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to keep them, their sex life and their personal

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relationship private. And he feels only safe

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in this empty building that is devoid of all

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of his personality. And he doesn't even feel

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safe. The quote I have is, it was as close to

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safe as either of them were going to get. I mean,

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this is so bleak. It's like, it's like a tomb.

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That he feels safe in. But it's not even working

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anymore because they're so miserable in that

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tomb, you know? They're so miserable. Oh, yeah.

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And you're like, damn, this is. I know. This

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is a hard place to be. That's how I felt when

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I read it, too, actually. When I read the prologue

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after obviously watching the show, I'm like,

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oh, like this, this hurts my feelings. Right.

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This this hurts my feelings when you think about

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it, like timeline wise, it is probably the well,

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it's definitely before the tuna meltdown scene.

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But the this particular scene in the prologue

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is probably like those little snippets we get

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of them being together. in your favorite montage,

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right? In four. And like, you know that because

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we have the shower scene, which is also in the

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prologue. And we have them like kissing and making

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out and like having sex, which is also in the

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prologue. So I think that's why we see that montage

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in episode four. That's the prologue. Obviously,

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we don't see the entire thing. It's so interesting.

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I didn't put it together because the montage

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felt fun and the prologue did not. The prologue

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does not. Right, exactly. No, you're so right.

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But yeah, but you think about it. it makes sense

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right i love your description of like the insect

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trapped in ember it's interesting that you mentioned

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the whole like the line about them being like

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safe there because they're They are, but they

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are not. Right. Like almost safe. They're almost

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safe. Right. Because obviously they're not safe

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anywhere, but it's a safe version of something

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completely unsustainable. And they know that.

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And like in this in the prologue, Shane multiple

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times says, like, this has to end. I wanted to

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end this. I've been trying to end this for six

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years, you know, and even in the end of the prologue,

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he's like, I'm going to sell this building. I'm

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going to call my realtor and sell this building.

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And then. He himself knows that he's lying to

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himself. I think the last line is, he knew making

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plans to end this was pointless. As long as this

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was being offered, Shane would never be able

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to say no. And like, that's how the prologue

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ends. But I think the prologue is also interesting

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because obviously it deviates from the way the

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show begins. And in the show, we have like the,

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will they, won't they? Even though we know we

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will, they will because it's a romance. But in

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the book, we already know that they will. Like

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in the book. we are told like they're together

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in this really complicated, fucked up way. And

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it's not great. It's mostly physical, but also

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you could see like the yearning and the longing

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for one another in the prologue. So, you know,

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it gives us this like contradiction, private

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life versus public life, right? Like, you know,

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it starts with them chirping on the ice and,

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you know, being really fucking mean to each other

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on the ice. And then... When you first read it,

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you're like, oh, this is the beginning, you know,

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and then you're like, oh, shit, this is actually

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like them playing this public persona. And then

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they go back to Shane's building that he bought

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for fucking. And then they're like in bed together

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and they're giving each other, you know, this

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is obviously six or so years in. And you could

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see that they already care for each other and

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they're giving each other what they want. And

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they're like regulating one another. You know,

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Ilya knows that Shane is pissed that he lost

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and doesn't want to look at him. So he fucks

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him from behind, you know. Like they already

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know each other so well. And gently, you know.

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And gently, exactly. One last thing I want to

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say is that it matters that it's right before

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the tuna meltdown because. You know, we all know

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what happens in the tuna meltdown. Shane freaks

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out. But I think he freaks out not just because

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Ilya whispers his name like it was too much for

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Shane. But since this prologue happens right

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before that in the prologue, like Shane is already

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feeling like a closeness that he has never felt

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before from Ilya. He's already like starting

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to freak out a little bit. There's like there's

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a part that says after a long, oddly tender kiss,

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Shane. lifts his head and sees Rosanoff looking

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at him very seriously. He swallowed but didn't

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say anything as Rosanoff brushed his fingers

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through his hair. And Ilya calls him beautiful.

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And Shane's like, I don't know how to respond

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to that. We've never really said things like

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that to one another. It's interesting that we

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already get a preview right before Tuna Meltdown

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that Shane is already kind of starting to freak

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out about this a little. Like, we don't talk

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like that to each other. So how much before Tuna

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Meltdown is the prologue? The prologue is October.

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And the tuna meltdown is November. So it's it's

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a very short period of time. It's been simmering

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for a while in the book world versus the show

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world, because looking back, the scenes immediately

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preceding pivotal tuna meltdown scene, you have.

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You know, you had Vegas in the previous episode.

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And then, of course, you have the interval where

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it's Game Changers slash Skip and Scott. But

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then you have the montage. And there's a lot

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more joy. before the tuna meltdown. It feels

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like it crescendoed more quickly in the show

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than it did in the book, which makes sense because

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the book is 266 pages long. So that's interesting.

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I actually just kind of put that together that

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the show, it's been like. simmering and they've

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been in this like rut for a while so it almost

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feels a little this is not a criticism but it

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does feel like a little disjointed right because

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like you finish in Vegas in episode two and then

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you're like wait who are these characters you

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know in episode three and then you're right back

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to Ilya and Shane where which is episode four

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arguably or not arguably, I think we could all

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agree is the most heartbreakiest episode we have

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in the book because because of all of the internal

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dialogue, we kind of get to understand that a

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little better. And like we're almost like more

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prepared for the heartbreak, you know, than we

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are in the show, which I think. partly why the

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show hits so hard when you're watching it you're

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like oh fuck my heart like everything hurts when

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you watch that shit the prologue definitely is

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different because we don't get that and it sets

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up the book and their story completely differently

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where we're different feelings in both um important

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but you know neither good or bad yeah and to

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be fair Wasn't there an interview where Jacob

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said they didn't have a budget for another set?

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I don't know if that's the only thing that played

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a role. I don't know. I didn't see that. That

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makes sense. That makes sense. Totally. They're

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like a small budget. Now not so much. No. So

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the second little blip that I want to talk about

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is the commercial, which is, I know, one of your

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favorite underrated scenes, right? Like, oh,

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yeah, yeah, that's true. Thank you for remembering.

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I see. I listen to you sometimes. Sometimes.

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Sometimes I feel like when you're watching me

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talk, you're just thinking about what you're

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going to say next. Accurate. Accurate. This is

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how it works. Anyway, go ahead. Commercial. So

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tell me what your take was commercial in the

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book versus show. Well, they were almost the

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same, except for one part. And that part was

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Ilya saying he was the one who set it up. That's

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not in the book. That was a Jacob Tierney edition,

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which I... Fucking love. Love that part. Love

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that addition. I know. It was like something

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that made you swoon the last time we talked about

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it. So I tried to deconstruct why he did that.

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Why Jacob did that? Why he? I don't know. I don't

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know. That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe

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to show that Ilya is already in it. Because again,

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we don't have the prologue to start. We don't

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know what their relationship is going to be like.

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And so that scene definitely tells us that Ilya

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wants this kid, you know, whether just physically

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or in more ways, but he set up a commercial.

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And perhaps that's why Jacob made that decision

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to like show us that Ilya is interested. That

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probably is it because the book has the ability

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to tell and they have to show that really that's

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that. That makes sense. And I think for the book,

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it kind of makes sense because, I mean, they're

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really young and this was pre their NHL career.

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The chances that they actually had the power

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to make these requests may not have been so realistic,

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right? That commercial. is like a way in which

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the world that's around them is creating the

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rivalry. I think it shows a little bit of how

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powerless they were in the start of their relationship.

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They had these narratives already kind of created

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for them. And they did step into it in both the

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book and the show. But I really feel like in

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the book, it was less active and more thrust

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upon them. Maybe others will have a different

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take. But that was like one of my feelings from

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the commercial. Yeah, because, you know, drive

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sales. Yeah, yeah. Sex is not the only thing

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that sells. Yeah, anger and rivalry as well.

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So there's that. So that's a good one. I like

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that addition. What are we moving into next?

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Okay, so next. The 2014 Vegas hotel room scene.

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I'm going to bring up not just the book version

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of Vegas chair, but also. You've definitely read

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the Vegas remix, right? Oh, yeah, girl. Yeah,

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I have it printed out and inserted into the book.

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I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. It's right

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here. Oh, my gosh. I am actually shocked that

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it's not itself like a little in like a little

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novella type of book. I mean, it's in my book,

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but it is. I do want to do something more with

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it. So thanks for giving me that idea. OK, so

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this is after Sochi. He's been ghosted. They

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haven't communicated. in months. When I read

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the book and saw the scene, I thought how thin

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that veneer of I don't care about you, both publicly

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and privately, how thin it was. Shane says at

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one point in the book that He doesn't even need

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to pretend he hates Ilya. Like, he actually hates

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him. I mean, granted, we know why he hates him.

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It's because he's hurt. He's not ready to talk

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about it. And, you know, and they are touching

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each other in public. You know, that stroke in

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the neck is also depicted in the show. And then

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they go into a... relatively public bathroom

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and and have this like big meltdown there so

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to me that like private persona that they've

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crafted is, like, really shaky at this point.

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You know, it feels like it's, like, very real,

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this scene. I'm going to read this out. He says,

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I mean, he's having, like, an erection on stage.

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Like, this is really... really intense and then

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you know when Ilya takes the photos that's where

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the private life Really blurs, right? Like he,

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I have this quote here too. It said, it was stupid

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wanting to have them, but even that didn't stop

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him. He wanted the photos, even if Hollander's

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face was all tight with disapproval. Even if

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Hollander never wanted to touch him again, Ilya

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wanted these photos. And that's why he took them.

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It's just like such a blur, private and public

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life blurring. Their love and hate. is blurring

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too. Interestingly, with the remix, we see that

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Shane and Ilya are mentally in literally the

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same place. Like Shane's having a panic attack

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at the idea of seeing Ilya. And Ilya is like

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all calm, cool, and collected. And the remix

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shows you what he was doing in what, the two

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minutes, 55 seconds before he was having his

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own panic attack in the bathroom. He says, I've

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thought about him every day. That's what's in

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the book. Like every day since Sochi, he's been

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thinking about him. And that's the setup of Vegas

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before they go up to the room. And so my thing

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was, OK, how are they going to like translate

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this very complicated internal feeling into the

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scene? And it was a really, really hot scene.

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But to me, it was on rewatch. I just felt like

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it was so stylized. Even Ilya's hair was just

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like. perfect it wasn't like his usual rumpled

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waves in the show too because he's in this like

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slicked back bun in the book and the lighting

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is so stunning in that scenery because it's all

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this contrast like dark light it's not soft right

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no and you see all the angles which it's doing

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great for shane and ilia but it looks like really

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stylized do you know very cinematic yeah cinematic

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and first you feel like okay that's like a really

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great look. It's a beautiful scene. But there's

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something really clinical about it. And here's

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what I mean. Like every scene before that, they

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kiss immediately. And here, the raw emotion occurs

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in the bathroom. But in the hotel room, obviously,

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they don't kiss at all. And Ilya doesn't join

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Shane in bed. The voyeuristicness is like sexy.

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Again, it could all be under the guise of sexiness.

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Right. But these were choices they made. He was

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removing himself from the emotional connection

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that sex usually gives them. Even the sex wasn't

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enough. Like, that's what it felt like. And after

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reading the remix, I really got that. What the

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show did was so fantastic because I actually,

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like, it was the lighting, the setting, the acting,

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the kind of detached nature. that you felt watching

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that scene, it really felt like it conveyed those

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emotions. That's how I felt. What do you think?

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I have a slightly teeny tiny bit different take

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on that. So when I watched, obviously. didn't

00:22:10.190 --> 00:22:12.150
read the book before or the remix i didn't even

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know that the remix was even there but a lot

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of people if you if you saw the discourse online

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in the very like early stages of that scene a

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lot of people were like oh my god ellie is such

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an asshole in that scene you know starting from

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like the very beginning of uh the the awards

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show you know like he's just so dismissive of

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shane shane is hurting you know poor baby shane

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and when i watched that scene i thought that

00:22:35.259 --> 00:22:38.240
the actors did such an amazing job displaying

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their emotions, like wearing their emotions on

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their sleeve, essentially, no matter how hard

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they tried to not. I watched that entire scene.

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And to me, that scene is very comparable to the

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club scene in terms of complicated emotions that

00:22:53.980 --> 00:22:56.680
they're wearing on their faces. You could see

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like even in that bathroom, like Ilya is so conflicted.

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He doesn't want. to kiss Shane he's like suck

00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:05.890
my dick you know like he doesn't want to have

00:23:05.890 --> 00:23:08.970
any feelings for Shane but you can tell that

00:23:08.970 --> 00:23:13.130
he does I mean when he runs his hand in the back

00:23:13.130 --> 00:23:15.569
of his like that's not just like oh I want to

00:23:15.569 --> 00:23:18.650
fuck you that's like I want to be close to you

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you know and then in the hotel room like yes

00:23:21.970 --> 00:23:24.950
Ilya tries to play it cool he really does he

00:23:24.950 --> 00:23:28.609
he wants just to fuck Shane and leave Shane.

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And that's the end of that. And both of their

00:23:30.990 --> 00:23:34.130
internal, you know, dialogues are basically like,

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we hate each other. We hate each other. No, I

00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:38.289
hate you. Damn it. Why do you have to be Shane?

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They're constantly like so conflicted. Even when

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Ilya's like, yeah, like I'm going to drink my

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vodka. Like you see him like gulping, like he's

00:23:45.670 --> 00:23:48.390
very intense. It seems like Ilya also has the

00:23:48.390 --> 00:23:50.670
upper hand in the situation, right? Because Shane

00:23:50.670 --> 00:23:53.009
is like vulnerable. He's naked on the bed. He's

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touching himself. Ilya's watching. You could

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see Ilya's already like, shaking inside from

00:23:58.069 --> 00:23:59.910
wanting Shane so bad, but he's trying to keep

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it cool. And then Shane notices and he smirks

00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:07.190
like they're both kind of sharing that, you know,

00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.509
power in the bedroom as well. And so, you know,

00:24:10.509 --> 00:24:12.329
when I read the remix, I was like, yeah, that

00:24:12.329 --> 00:24:14.450
makes sense. Like when I read it after the fact,

00:24:14.490 --> 00:24:16.109
I'm like, of course, this is what they're feeling

00:24:16.109 --> 00:24:18.390
because it's so obvious in their expressions,

00:24:18.430 --> 00:24:21.519
you know, in the scene. Yeah, we a lot of times

00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.799
we talk about the micro expression and acting.

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And I think this is one where it really plays

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a big role. My interpretation actually was Ilya

00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:35.720
understanding what was happening and not knowing

00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.519
what to do. Whereas I think for Shane, he felt

00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:43.859
wounded and he knew he felt wounded, but he doesn't.

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He's not. He doesn't have that internal perception

00:24:46.539 --> 00:24:50.119
to understand why. And that was always my sort

00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:55.539
of take on that scene with Ilya's micro acting.

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Because when he's smoking that cigarette in bed,

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Connor looks visibly. uncomfortable. He actually

00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.519
looks distressed. And that's not an expression

00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.539
we've typically seen from him after sex. Right.

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Happy. He's gotten his thing. That's not also

00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:17.380
an expression you would. assume would happen

00:25:17.380 --> 00:25:20.319
when you have sex and quite possibly the sexiest

00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:24.859
swankiest sexiest sweet in the world right he

00:25:24.859 --> 00:25:27.440
should be like preening even if he did if he

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.579
doesn't care for shane he should be like motherfucker

00:25:30.579 --> 00:25:35.180
i won this round and i won the cup but it was

00:25:35.180 --> 00:25:38.500
it was discomfort and and almost like distress

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like he did not look happy at the end of that

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scene And he should have. He should have. And

00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.480
that's another thing that people always say,

00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.759
like, why is he so distant? And I wanted to read

00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.019
this part. Ilya was smoking on purpose in that

00:25:53.019 --> 00:25:55.519
scene because, you know, he knows Shane hates

00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.299
it and he's trying to, like, keep as much emotional

00:25:58.299 --> 00:26:00.880
distance between them as possible, hence the

00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.920
fucking and no kissing. And so it says Hollander

00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:05.519
didn't say anything about the cigarette, even

00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.759
when Ilya released long, obnoxious clouds of

00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.839
smoke over the bed that they were both reclining

00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.099
on. Hollander quietly sipped his vodka while

00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:16.480
Ilya waited for the moment to crumble apart.

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Are you heading back soon? Hollander said back

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.000
to Russia for the summer. Ah, there it is. Moment

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:27.059
ruined. Like Ilya was waiting for it. And it

00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:30.059
almost seems like Shane gave him the opportunity

00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:32.579
to pull back again, you know, because they keep

00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:35.740
pulling toward one another and they keep wanting

00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:39.150
to not be. And Ilya is just like, just. Just

00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:41.349
give me just give me that out. Just give me that

00:26:41.349 --> 00:26:43.329
out. And Hollander's like Russia. And he's like,

00:26:43.390 --> 00:26:45.849
yep, that's it out. I need to go to bed, you

00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:48.809
know, and I just believe you can tell you can

00:26:48.809 --> 00:26:50.730
tell because like when Shane stands up and he

00:26:50.730 --> 00:26:53.450
walks out and he's standing alone in the room

00:26:53.450 --> 00:26:55.750
and then Ilya is alone in there and like their

00:26:55.750 --> 00:26:59.309
faces are just really devastating and sad. So

00:26:59.309 --> 00:27:02.069
good. So good. Right. And that's a very complex

00:27:02.069 --> 00:27:06.349
scene to act out. Yeah. And I think. All of it,

00:27:06.349 --> 00:27:10.150
like the lighting, the direction, the way in

00:27:10.150 --> 00:27:13.349
which they were sort of apart until the very

00:27:13.349 --> 00:27:16.890
last second on the bed, the lack of kissing,

00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:20.210
the text messaging going back and forth, being

00:27:20.210 --> 00:27:23.230
erased. And you just see like the choices that

00:27:23.230 --> 00:27:29.130
were made to depict that scene were really brilliant

00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:32.250
by Jacob and the actors and everyone on the scene.

00:27:32.369 --> 00:27:36.970
This to me is. the tie into the prologue. I think

00:27:36.970 --> 00:27:39.569
this is the first time in the book where I felt

00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:42.869
like this sense of being trapped. When I read

00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:45.789
that and I was like, wow, OK, that's where they

00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.690
started here and ended up at the prologue. It

00:27:48.690 --> 00:27:51.569
makes sense. They're just getting further and

00:27:51.569 --> 00:27:54.690
further like sunk into this like trap of their

00:27:54.690 --> 00:27:57.670
own making. And that's Shane realizes that right

00:27:57.670 --> 00:28:00.170
in that moment when he's like, fuck, like when

00:28:00.170 --> 00:28:02.089
he wanted to write, we didn't even kiss. And

00:28:02.089 --> 00:28:04.650
then he had that realization in the show. puts

00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:07.630
his head against the elevator and he was like,

00:28:07.690 --> 00:28:11.309
fuck. Like, fuck. Yeah. Fuck my life because

00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:15.450
this is bad. This is bad. Yeah. Oh, I can't.

00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:17.410
I can't do this anymore, Anusha. What are we

00:28:17.410 --> 00:28:20.369
doing with this analysis? My heart hurts. I know.

00:28:20.369 --> 00:28:22.130
We didn't think this through. We didn't think

00:28:22.130 --> 00:28:24.210
this through. On a Friday. We're like, oh, it's

00:28:24.210 --> 00:28:27.470
going to be so fun on a Friday afternoon to discuss

00:28:27.470 --> 00:28:29.970
the show and the book. I'm like sweating. I'm

00:28:29.970 --> 00:28:32.910
sweating. You're pale and sweating. Oh, my God.

00:28:33.170 --> 00:28:36.049
Okay. We're moving on to a fun, fun, fun scene.

00:28:36.289 --> 00:28:39.890
We're going to talk about Moscow. That's your

00:28:39.890 --> 00:28:43.250
fun scene. That's your fun scene. Moving on to

00:28:43.250 --> 00:28:46.190
brighter spots. Better and brighter things. Let's

00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:47.690
talk about the funeral. I want to talk about

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:50.390
this because there are actually significant differences

00:28:50.390 --> 00:28:53.769
between the book and the show when Ilya goes

00:28:53.769 --> 00:28:56.670
back home to Moscow after his dad dies. Okay.

00:28:56.690 --> 00:29:00.309
Okay. So we're in 2014 Vegas. Yes. And now you're

00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:06.440
taking us to what year? February 2017 or about.

00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.180
Yeah. So we're moving three years in the future.

00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.680
Yeah, we're moving a couple years. This is obviously

00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.680
post -Tampa. We are dad's funeral or post -funeral

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.319
already. So in the show, we have two phone calls

00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:19.980
from Moscow. We have the initial conversation

00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.880
and then we have the monologue. In the book,

00:29:21.980 --> 00:29:25.000
we have four conversations from Moscow. And I

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.160
want to talk about the second two. The second

00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.440
conversation with the monologue, as everybody

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.220
I hope knows, the monologue was completely written

00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:37.059
by Jacob. That was not in the book at all. However,

00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:41.819
I think what Jacob did is he took bits and pieces.

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.259
of the dialogue between Ilya and Shane throughout

00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:50.099
the next Skypes that they had to build that monologue

00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.420
because Ilya like confesses a lot of the things

00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:55.460
throughout those multiple conversations that

00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:57.940
he actually says in the monologue but still like

00:29:57.940 --> 00:29:59.819
Jacob took all that together and created this

00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:03.859
beautiful piece in Russian you know for Ilya

00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:05.839
to say in the book world we don't have the monologue

00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.640
we have the idea of the monologue because Shane

00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.059
says the same thing talk to me in Russian and

00:30:10.059 --> 00:30:13.240
then he does and we do know that Ilya confesses

00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.200
that he loves him. We just don't have the actual

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.059
monologue in the book. But I'm not going to focus

00:30:17.059 --> 00:30:19.140
too much on that. I want to focus on the follow

00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:21.720
up to Skype conversations. Okay. Are we book

00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.680
world or? We are in book world right now. Okay.

00:30:24.819 --> 00:30:28.039
The third conversation after the monologue in

00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.519
the book is, I think, in addition to Tampa, almost

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.619
like a turning point where both Shane and Ilya's

00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:38.200
relationship shifts to emotional intimacy. Here,

00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.180
the energy is completely different. Ilya is obviously

00:30:41.259 --> 00:30:44.019
grieving. You know, his dad just died. He's alone.

00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.640
Like he says, like he has no one left. But instead

00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.079
of like doing and we've talked about this before,

00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:50.900
but instead of being typical Ilya and like putting

00:30:50.900 --> 00:30:53.799
up a wall, he's softened. You know, he's listening

00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.700
to Shane. He's sharing with Shane. And it was

00:30:56.700 --> 00:30:58.680
really interesting because in that scene, they're

00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.200
Skyping and Ilya has watched Shane, you know,

00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:05.059
on TV and, you know, social media for so many

00:31:05.059 --> 00:31:06.940
years. And he's like, I want to know what your

00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:08.640
bedroom looks like. Do you remember that scene

00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.180
in the book? I think it was like. a few chapters

00:31:11.180 --> 00:31:13.920
beforehand when he's watching him in the cottage.

00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:16.359
He's like, he's so perfect. I bet he has perfect

00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.900
blue sheets and perfect picture frames. And then

00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:21.099
he's like, OK, well, now I want you to describe

00:31:21.099 --> 00:31:23.579
your home to me. Tell me about your bedrooms.

00:31:23.779 --> 00:31:25.539
What do you see out the window? You know, he's

00:31:25.539 --> 00:31:29.039
not just making a conversation. He's almost picturing

00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.240
himself in Shane's home, like by making maybe

00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.380
like I might be like inserting too much of my

00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:36.099
own. No, I think that you're true, because like

00:31:36.099 --> 00:31:40.640
in book world, he's not even allowed to be In

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.910
Shane's actual apartment. Right. That's even

00:31:43.910 --> 00:31:47.970
more of a poignant thing. I know. I know. I know.

00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:50.390
It's like vulnerable, right? Because we haven't

00:31:50.390 --> 00:31:52.769
seen that from him before to take that much interest

00:31:52.769 --> 00:31:55.329
in Shane's anything outside of sex stuff. And

00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:58.750
Shane meets him. Like at first he's like a little

00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:01.109
resistant, but then he physically moves into

00:32:01.109 --> 00:32:04.049
his bedroom with Ilya on Skype. And so they're

00:32:04.049 --> 00:32:06.210
no longer being like performative with one another,

00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:09.130
which they have been for so long. They're just

00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:11.450
like there together being super intimate and

00:32:11.450 --> 00:32:13.950
emotional with one another. That scene starts

00:32:13.950 --> 00:32:15.890
with Shane says something like, you shouldn't

00:32:15.890 --> 00:32:18.289
be alone right now. And Ilya says, I'm not alone.

00:32:18.369 --> 00:32:21.170
You're here now. Right. And and Shane, like his

00:32:21.170 --> 00:32:24.069
like his whole heart, like stops right in that

00:32:24.069 --> 00:32:28.029
moment. And so he lets Shane know in that moment,

00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:30.730
like you are the comfort. Like, I don't need

00:32:30.730 --> 00:32:33.130
anyone else. Like, I have you. Right. Like, you

00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:36.930
are my. safety. Also, this is the part in the

00:32:36.930 --> 00:32:40.150
book where Ilya actually talks about Svetlana,

00:32:40.369 --> 00:32:42.730
like potentially marrying her for citizenship.

00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:46.170
He makes all these confessions that we see in

00:32:46.170 --> 00:32:48.430
the show, we see in the cottage. We don't see

00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:51.230
them here. Shane, meanwhile, in that moment,

00:32:51.269 --> 00:32:53.730
invites him to the cottage. Again, that is later

00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:56.150
in the show in the hospital when he's high. He

00:32:56.150 --> 00:32:58.390
invites him to the cottage. But in the book,

00:32:58.470 --> 00:33:00.670
Shane invites Ilya to the cottage during the

00:33:00.670 --> 00:33:04.099
Skype while Ilya is in Moscow still. which I

00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:06.539
thought was really interesting. And he invites

00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:07.920
her to the cottage and then he immediately goes,

00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.559
fuck, what did I do? And again, Shane spirals

00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.900
because he understands that like he can't undo

00:33:12.900 --> 00:33:16.099
that. He can't pretend anymore. And he realizes,

00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:17.960
and I think they're both realizing in that moment,

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.200
is that it's not just physical. Obviously, they

00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.539
want a life together eventually. And we only

00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:26.240
really get that in the cottage. But here we get

00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.700
that in this Skype conversation. So in that scene,

00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.200
like it's very clear that they are there. really

00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.819
just falling in love. Then this last Skype call

00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.380
that they have really like seals the deal, right?

00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:40.900
Because at first glance, it's like, oh, they're

00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:43.579
going to have phone sex or Skype sex, video sex,

00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:45.859
whatever, right? It's almost like back to their

00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:48.759
physical. They start with the familiar territory.

00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.960
Ilya takes the lead. Shane follows. But then

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.000
again, it shifts into something different, right?

00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.960
Shane asks to see Ilya's face. Like he just he

00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.500
can't even enjoy the sex part of it without looking

00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:01.920
at Ilya, which is amazing, right? Like it's a

00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.000
small choice, but like completely changes the

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.519
tone of the entire scene. Again, they're not

00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.000
performing anymore for one another. They're being

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.219
a lot more vulnerable. They're seeing each other's

00:34:12.219 --> 00:34:14.059
like eyes and, you know, paying attention to

00:34:14.059 --> 00:34:16.920
each other's expressions. The intimacy there

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.579
is just like what they're feeling, being super

00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:22.420
honest with each other. And then like they start

00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:24.260
like complimenting each other. You're beautiful.

00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.300
And you've never said that to me before. And

00:34:26.300 --> 00:34:29.309
then that's when Shane admits that. no one compares

00:34:29.309 --> 00:34:31.909
to Ilya that's when he admits that he was with

00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:34.869
a few other men right I actually really love

00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:37.010
that part and we don't have that in the show

00:34:37.010 --> 00:34:40.110
like in the show we are assuming that Shane hasn't

00:34:40.110 --> 00:34:42.909
been with any other men and like in that moment

00:34:42.909 --> 00:34:44.769
Ilya's like did he hurt you and that was just

00:34:44.769 --> 00:34:46.809
like oh my god like you care so much like I'm

00:34:46.809 --> 00:34:49.489
gonna die and Shane's like no nobody hurt me

00:34:49.489 --> 00:34:52.150
but like it just wasn't you you know like it

00:34:52.150 --> 00:34:54.710
just wasn't you you know and I love that that's

00:34:54.710 --> 00:34:56.829
a confession like everything they're saying to

00:34:56.829 --> 00:34:58.550
each other in that moment moment on that Skype

00:34:58.550 --> 00:35:02.329
call is a confession. Like neither of them expected,

00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:04.789
I think, or intended to go there. I think they

00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:06.889
really just wanted to have phone sex. And then

00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:08.949
it turns into this like super like vulnerable,

00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:13.349
intimate moment. And then at the very end, the

00:35:13.349 --> 00:35:15.869
most intimate moment that isn't physical that

00:35:15.869 --> 00:35:19.090
I actually do wish was somehow in the show. That's

00:35:19.090 --> 00:35:21.369
the only thing that I wish was included in. Well,

00:35:21.449 --> 00:35:23.550
two things. We'll talk about that later. But

00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:25.309
one of the only things I wish that was included

00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:28.769
is that when Shane. He kisses his fingers and

00:35:28.769 --> 00:35:32.230
then puts his fingers on the screen. I mean,

00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:35.690
girl, that is so fucking sweet. Like, yeah, you're

00:35:35.690 --> 00:35:37.409
fucking in love. Like, I know we talk about how

00:35:37.409 --> 00:35:39.010
they've been in love this whole time. But like,

00:35:39.030 --> 00:35:41.250
if this doesn't say it, then like nothing says

00:35:41.250 --> 00:35:45.090
it. You know, that is just such a sweet. Such

00:35:45.090 --> 00:35:47.210
a like, like they've been together forever, you

00:35:47.210 --> 00:35:49.590
know, moment. Yeah. That's like what you would

00:35:49.590 --> 00:35:52.690
do when your husband or something, you know,

00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:56.730
is away and you miss him or your wife is away

00:35:56.730 --> 00:35:59.070
or, you know, it's like a very domestic gesture.

00:35:59.829 --> 00:36:02.389
It's very domestic, right? Like that's that's

00:36:02.389 --> 00:36:04.389
what it feels like. There's no pretense anymore.

00:36:04.409 --> 00:36:07.489
My assumption as to why these two scenes, because

00:36:07.489 --> 00:36:10.269
they are pivotal in the book. to show us the

00:36:10.269 --> 00:36:12.150
progression of their love for each other and

00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:13.789
vulnerability and all that. But by assumption,

00:36:14.050 --> 00:36:17.690
why they aren't in the show, honestly, probably

00:36:17.690 --> 00:36:20.449
for time. You know, like how many Skype phone

00:36:20.449 --> 00:36:23.030
calls can you really put into one episode? I

00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.409
mean, episode five was already the longest episode.

00:36:25.449 --> 00:36:27.510
And I guess it didn't seem that pivotal because,

00:36:27.570 --> 00:36:30.090
you know, Jacob made up for that moment with

00:36:30.090 --> 00:36:32.469
other parts, like the monologue probably. But

00:36:32.469 --> 00:36:35.469
the kiss, the kiss, I want that back. I want

00:36:35.469 --> 00:36:38.329
it back. I agree with you 100%. The monologue

00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:42.809
is doing some heavy lifting. It moved the plot.

00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.460
And the emotional action forward leaps and bounds.

00:36:46.699 --> 00:36:49.199
It was a brilliant choice to do it that way.

00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:53.980
Yeah. Okay. I have a theory that. About this?

00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.579
Yeah. Well, now that you bring it up, the difference,

00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.380
I think, in pacing in the book and the show and

00:37:02.380 --> 00:37:05.099
the different choices that were made to sort

00:37:05.099 --> 00:37:07.980
of progress their emotional intimacy. And you

00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:10.099
have a lot shorter time to do it in the show

00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:13.440
than you do in the book. But time constraints

00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.980
aside, I'm looking back and one of the things

00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:19.980
that I kind of want to talk about is Shane's

00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:24.639
reconciliation of him being gay. And some of

00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.920
the way that it's different in the show versus

00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.659
the book and why maybe the way in which they're

00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:35.599
navigating in the show makes sense for that world.

00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.719
You brought up the fact that Shane has been with

00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.559
other men in the book. It's really heavily implied

00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.159
that in this show that that was not the case.

00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:51.579
Going back to his interactions with Rose, specifically

00:37:51.579 --> 00:37:54.599
that coming out conversation and even his meeting

00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.659
with Rose. So when he meets Rose in the restaurant,

00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.559
in the book, he notices the bartender is really

00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.289
cute. And he even says that. Rather than look

00:38:07.289 --> 00:38:11.710
for the Rose Landry, he is wanting to look at

00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:14.789
this bartender who's a dude. And he's sort of

00:38:14.789 --> 00:38:17.489
semi -flirting in the book with the bartender.

00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:21.409
He's like grinning at him, etc. When you look

00:38:21.409 --> 00:38:25.590
at the same part of that in the show, and I have

00:38:25.590 --> 00:38:28.800
to... think it's a conscious choice the bartender

00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.460
could be just being like you're the shane hollander

00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:35.099
anything you want is free yeah there's like an

00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:38.719
element of flirtation and shade right but shade

00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.639
is just like trying not to make eye contact looking

00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.300
around being like great crowd tonight right like

00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:49.940
like so much denial so much denial and that part

00:38:49.940 --> 00:38:53.820
to me really like compared to the book to show

00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:57.440
shane like he's still really not ready to come

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.619
turn come to terms with his identity as a gay

00:39:00.619 --> 00:39:04.099
man and then even in the coming out scene rose

00:39:04.099 --> 00:39:06.559
is doing her thing and it's very similar dialogue

00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.539
in the book when the book very similar she notices

00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:13.619
his like Their lack of sex life being like, you

00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:16.619
know, great. And she's she's being really sweet.

00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.039
So I think that carries over. And but the show

00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.039
is much more fraught. She brings up Miles in

00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.920
the show and Shane's just like. OK, why are you

00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.059
talking about Miles? His facial expression suggests

00:39:31.059 --> 00:39:34.179
he does not understand what this is being brought

00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:37.340
up. And he's confused because of that. In the

00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:41.519
book, he is confused. But he says when Rose asks,

00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:44.500
you know, Miles is gay. He says, I guess I hadn't

00:39:44.500 --> 00:39:47.780
really thought about it. Shane lied. So that's

00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:50.860
actually in the book. Like he said he lied. He's

00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:53.659
lying to her. He's lying to her. He knows a little

00:39:53.659 --> 00:39:57.099
liar. Yeah. But that vibe. Did you feel like.

00:39:57.389 --> 00:40:00.230
Shane was lying when he was telling Rose that?

00:40:00.329 --> 00:40:02.849
No, not at all. Not in the show. No, he felt

00:40:02.849 --> 00:40:04.909
like, it felt like he was genuinely clueless

00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:07.329
as to why. Like he was surprised as to why. He

00:40:07.329 --> 00:40:10.909
was surprised, right? And I really think the

00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.269
rest of the conversation, it was really moving

00:40:14.269 --> 00:40:18.030
in the book, but it almost felt like Shane was

00:40:18.030 --> 00:40:20.530
like, finally, someone's just like asking me.

00:40:20.670 --> 00:40:24.269
Yeah. It felt like really resigned. Then, then

00:40:24.269 --> 00:40:27.980
you're like, wait, what's? the next 45 % of the

00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:31.960
book if he's reconciled his identity. And then

00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:36.159
you see the angst transfer on to not the entirely,

00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:40.440
you know, that he's gay. but that he's gay in

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.780
love with his rival and he doesn't know what

00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:47.860
his rival feels for him yet or how serious it

00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:50.179
is. And I think that's a distinct difference

00:40:50.179 --> 00:40:53.659
in the show and the book is that the anxiety

00:40:53.659 --> 00:40:57.699
about these closeted hockey players is generalized

00:40:57.699 --> 00:41:01.280
in the show. More so, I think, than in the book.

00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.139
In the book, if I had to like say, okay, what's

00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:08.210
the... angst causing element is it being gay

00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:11.889
or is it being gay in love with your rival to

00:41:11.889 --> 00:41:15.110
me like that's when it switches into it's really

00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:18.530
the ilia part that's yeah getting him and i think

00:41:18.530 --> 00:41:22.030
that's why there need is maybe a lot more build

00:41:22.030 --> 00:41:25.610
up maybe in the book maybe to resolve it i don't

00:41:25.610 --> 00:41:28.230
know that's what i'm thinking He does. Shane

00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:30.710
does say like in Tampa, he's like, it's not just

00:41:30.710 --> 00:41:33.210
being gay. Being gay is one thing. Fucking your

00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:36.090
arch rival is another thing, you know. But I

00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:37.969
love that you brought that up because in the

00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:41.789
book we see a lot more internal dialogue from

00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:45.130
them or these internal thoughts about them not

00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:47.929
knowing how the other one feels the entire time.

00:41:47.949 --> 00:41:50.750
Like the entire time they're like there's two

00:41:50.750 --> 00:41:53.190
things that run through the book actually counted.

00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:57.329
OK, about. 15 to 20 times, either one of them

00:41:57.329 --> 00:41:59.170
thinks to themselves, I'm going to end this.

00:41:59.269 --> 00:42:01.269
And then another thing is, like I said, like.

00:42:01.670 --> 00:42:04.230
They are constantly saying, well, I know I feel

00:42:04.230 --> 00:42:06.530
this way, but he must not feel that way. So I

00:42:06.530 --> 00:42:08.469
can't tell him how I feel. Like these fucking

00:42:08.469 --> 00:42:11.369
kids will not communicate at all. When there

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:14.510
is a lack of direct communication, the lack of

00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:16.369
information, you come up with your own narratives

00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:18.329
because you have nothing else. So they're coming

00:42:18.329 --> 00:42:19.929
up with all these things in their head, like

00:42:19.929 --> 00:42:22.289
even something so silly, like in the book, when

00:42:22.289 --> 00:42:24.989
Ilya gave the speech in Russian, he was like,

00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:27.750
what if Shane went and translated it somewhere?

00:42:27.889 --> 00:42:30.420
I'm like. Like, what is wrong with the two of

00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:33.300
you? Like, why are you always like reverting

00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:36.199
back to like such negativity? They're constantly

00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:41.079
like, does he like me too? Right. It feels like

00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:45.380
the anxiety is Ilya not knowing and Shane not

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:48.360
knowing what the other is thinking. Yeah. First

00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.900
and foremost, after the resolution of like, OK,

00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:55.769
I'm gay. And I think in the show was not the

00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:57.949
choice that was made. And it works. It actually

00:42:57.949 --> 00:43:02.949
worked well. And I think in a way, maybe it was

00:43:02.949 --> 00:43:05.610
pacing. Like, they don't have time to, like,

00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:07.610
sit there and spin their wheels. You have one

00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:11.250
episode left. But you had to kind of think through

00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:13.670
that plot, right? Like, because otherwise, you

00:43:13.670 --> 00:43:16.829
know, if it was more apparent that Shane was

00:43:16.829 --> 00:43:21.389
ready to embrace his identity as a gay man, then...

00:43:21.670 --> 00:43:24.570
it feels like that tension would have resolved

00:43:24.570 --> 00:43:26.510
in the show. And then you'd be like, what's left?

00:43:26.769 --> 00:43:30.150
And I think it took Shane a bit longer to get

00:43:30.150 --> 00:43:32.909
there. And I also think that that's why we get

00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:35.449
in both the book and the show that moment where

00:43:35.449 --> 00:43:39.090
Shane says, let's just tell each other how we

00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:41.150
feel. Like, let's be honest with each other for

00:43:41.150 --> 00:43:43.590
the next two weeks. Because I think at some point,

00:43:43.650 --> 00:43:45.769
I mean, Shane is like sick of it. You know, like

00:43:45.769 --> 00:43:47.670
he's sick of being in his head, trying to figure

00:43:47.670 --> 00:43:50.250
out what Ilya feels, what he feels. So he's just

00:43:50.250 --> 00:43:52.940
like, can we just like, cut the bullshit and

00:43:52.940 --> 00:43:56.800
be honest with each other. And that line does

00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.719
make me think that while we don't see that conflict,

00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.599
that particular conflict in the show, it exists,

00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:04.880
you know, obviously, because this is something

00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.780
he has been thinking about, you know, and he

00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:12.000
needs it. He needs to be told very explicitly,

00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.380
this is how I'm feeling or else he will spin.

00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.900
And Ilya, he needs the same thing because he

00:44:17.900 --> 00:44:19.860
also doesn't know how Shane feels because Ilya

00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.320
thinks that he's just like, like overly in love

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.219
with him because he also confesses at first.

00:44:24.260 --> 00:44:28.059
And Shane is kind of like, whatever. Good point.

00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:30.380
I like it. All right. Speaking of the cottage,

00:44:30.539 --> 00:44:33.159
shall we go? Yeah. I mean, I'm already I've been

00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:34.920
living there. I've been living there since December.

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.039
But do you want to join me? Yeah, I was in that

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.360
empty warehouse, two floors, two stories. I mean,

00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.719
that's a sad place to be. No, no. I mean, I'm

00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.579
OK being there as like a mom who is overwhelmed.

00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.719
You just want to be alone in the empty. Leave

00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:57.409
me alone. Got it. Well, okay. There are some

00:44:57.409 --> 00:44:59.929
things I thought that were interesting choices.

00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:02.469
For example, in the show, Shane comes up with

00:45:02.469 --> 00:45:04.449
the plan of starting this charity and going to

00:45:04.449 --> 00:45:07.269
Ottawa. book Ilya comes up with half of that

00:45:07.269 --> 00:45:09.389
so like there's definitely some changes but I

00:45:09.389 --> 00:45:11.090
actually love the way it is in the show because

00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:13.610
it makes more sense for Shane to come up with

00:45:13.610 --> 00:45:15.449
that plan because Shane is the planner so it

00:45:15.449 --> 00:45:17.570
actually makes sense obviously not canonically

00:45:17.570 --> 00:45:20.150
but narratively it makes sense for like Shane's

00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:22.449
character but I want to talk specifically the

00:45:22.449 --> 00:45:25.670
last part that is completely left out from the

00:45:25.670 --> 00:45:28.329
show and the show ends with them driving off

00:45:28.329 --> 00:45:31.789
into the sunset beautiful cinematic masterful

00:45:31.789 --> 00:45:35.210
you know they're happy in the book they drive

00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:37.130
back to the cottage. But before they go to the

00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:39.050
cottage, Shane is freaking out. How do you think

00:45:39.050 --> 00:45:41.130
about one? And he's like, it went fine. Like

00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:45.050
it went well. Let's go home, he says. And that

00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:47.769
becomes Ilya's little tick because he's like,

00:45:47.789 --> 00:45:49.900
wait. Shit, I just said home. Does Shane think

00:45:49.900 --> 00:45:51.679
it's weird that I called it home? Because it's

00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:53.219
not home. It's not my home. You know, like, so

00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:55.400
he's like spinning. And then he goes, well, Shane

00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:56.840
hasn't said anything. So I guess it's not weird.

00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:58.440
Whatever. I'm just going to stop thinking about

00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.480
it. They get back to the cottage. Shane is completely

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.099
overwhelmed. He is spiraling. He's stuck in his

00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:05.300
head. He's just like a wreck. He immediately

00:46:05.300 --> 00:46:08.960
jumps to planning. Ilya, at this point, realizes

00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.099
that he needs to de -escalate Shane. Because

00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:13.719
for Ilya, that was like a really great moment

00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.139
at Shane's parents' house. He felt good there,

00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.760
despite all the complex. feelings and emotions

00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.940
of everything, meeting his lover's parents for

00:46:22.940 --> 00:46:25.760
the first time ever under these very weird circumstances,

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.639
but still. It was some of the best time he said

00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.219
he's had. He wants to de -escalate Shane. He

00:46:31.219 --> 00:46:33.980
does not engage with that anxiety. He tries to

00:46:33.980 --> 00:46:36.239
pull him out of it, like grounds him, you know,

00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.039
brings him back into the present and he like

00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.480
kisses him. He's like, this is the way I've always

00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:42.280
wanted to kiss Shane. And I want to read this

00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.280
part, right? I'm just summarizing what is written

00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.340
on the page. Ilya wanted to tell Shane that this

00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.420
has been one of the best days of his life. Sure,

00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.260
it was awkward, but... He was welcomed into Shane's

00:46:54.260 --> 00:46:56.780
family, and he has barely been welcomed into

00:46:56.780 --> 00:46:58.940
his own family. He wanted to tell Shane that

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:00.960
the closest he's felt to home is when he's with

00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.940
him. It didn't matter if it was a hotel room

00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:05.300
or Ilya's apartment or some weird hideout building

00:47:05.300 --> 00:47:07.780
that Shane bought for them. He was himself when

00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:10.719
he was with Shane. He had left Russia, he was

00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.760
uneasy in America, and he spent his entire adult

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.619
life drifting between continents and between

00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:19.980
lovers. But now he had been reeled in by this

00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:23.059
annoying Canadian. And all he knew was that he

00:47:23.059 --> 00:47:25.619
wanted to stay. He wanted to anchor himself and

00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:28.219
just stay. But he couldn't say all that. He literally

00:47:28.219 --> 00:47:30.360
like didn't have the words, the language for

00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.000
that. So he just turned around and he said, I

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.820
love you, you know, and Shane looked at him and

00:47:33.820 --> 00:47:35.199
said, I love you, too. And then he's like, are

00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.940
you OK? Because he obviously sees that Ilya is

00:47:37.940 --> 00:47:39.820
like, you know, processing all of these feelings.

00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.260
And, you know, that's when Ilya de -escalates

00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:46.369
and Ilya is just like, enough. Have some drinks.

00:47:46.449 --> 00:47:49.550
Have some vodka. Let's relax. You know, we can

00:47:49.550 --> 00:47:52.469
we can plan later. So it's a huge shift again

00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:54.449
from where they started. We don't get to see

00:47:54.449 --> 00:47:57.570
this in the show, this aftermath. They really

00:47:57.570 --> 00:47:59.750
are talking about building their life together

00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.170
at this point openly with one another. They understand

00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:05.909
there's going to be a lot of challenges, but

00:48:05.909 --> 00:48:07.670
now they believe that they can overcome them

00:48:07.670 --> 00:48:09.550
because usually it was like we can't be together.

00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.579
You know, even if we want to, we can't. But now

00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:14.840
they're like, we can and we will try. You know,

00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.880
in the scene also is when Ilya looks at him and

00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.639
says, one of these days I'm going to come here

00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.780
with you and I'm going to light a bunch of candles

00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:27.679
and I'm going to ask Shane Hollander, will you

00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.699
marry me? And you will say yes because you're

00:48:30.699 --> 00:48:32.840
a nice guy and I'm only going to do it to get

00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.159
my citizenship, you know, get my passport or

00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.940
whatever. So and you're a helpful dude. So you're

00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:40.519
going to say yes. And you're like. Oh, my God.

00:48:40.539 --> 00:48:42.780
You may as well just fucking ask him to. Now,

00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:45.280
you know, because clearly you're not just saying

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.760
that because, you know, you want the citizenship,

00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.980
obviously. It is like a soft and domestic scene,

00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.639
you know, and a very complicated one. It like

00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.190
blends like. humor and intimacy and anxiety,

00:48:57.369 --> 00:49:00.309
obviously, all together. It's a great scene and

00:49:00.309 --> 00:49:01.929
it's left out of the show. And I was trying to

00:49:01.929 --> 00:49:04.789
figure out why. But I did see one interview with

00:49:04.789 --> 00:49:07.409
Jacob in Variety. He said he wanted the final

00:49:07.409 --> 00:49:09.610
image to feel like simple, elegant and emotionally

00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:12.630
complete. He says that he was just aiming for

00:49:12.630 --> 00:49:14.690
like that feeling of like warm fuzzies. And so

00:49:14.690 --> 00:49:16.929
like them driving off into the sunset together

00:49:16.929 --> 00:49:19.449
was just like that. It did it like a cinematic

00:49:19.449 --> 00:49:22.469
kind of situation. And also, I think in either

00:49:22.469 --> 00:49:24.230
this interview or some other interviews, I heard

00:49:24.230 --> 00:49:25.550
him say that he wasn't sure if they're going

00:49:25.550 --> 00:49:28.469
to get a season two. So it was like it was like

00:49:28.469 --> 00:49:31.769
a nice wrap up to season one. So I get that.

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:34.610
But it is a beautiful scene. And I hope the season

00:49:34.610 --> 00:49:36.690
two starts with the scene because you need it.

00:49:36.690 --> 00:49:39.309
As you know why you need the scene. Well, it

00:49:39.309 --> 00:49:43.309
is domestic and it is sweet. But the book sets

00:49:43.309 --> 00:49:46.230
up the tension. I'm going to read this from the

00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:50.639
book. He says, this is Ilya thinking, were they

00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.539
really going to be able to keep this a secret

00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:54.900
until they retired? Now that they're both honest

00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.440
about what they were to each other, Ilya feared

00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.559
it might be impossible to hide their relationship

00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.920
from the world. And then like Ilya then says,

00:50:03.019 --> 00:50:07.250
I want to tell. everyone right now. And Shane's

00:50:07.250 --> 00:50:10.230
eyes went wide with panic. No, don't. We have

00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:12.889
to stick to the plan. And Illy sighed dramatically.

00:50:13.170 --> 00:50:15.349
You and your plans. And then they're going back

00:50:15.349 --> 00:50:17.289
to sort of the humor. That's right. I forgot

00:50:17.289 --> 00:50:19.130
about that part. That's an important part. Yeah.

00:50:19.429 --> 00:50:23.559
They're like, you know, he's trying to. diffuse

00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.960
it with humor like what if I just kissed you

00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.039
at the all -star game and yeah they're like I

00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:29.940
forgot all about that part yeah yeah you're right

00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:31.920
and then he's like I'll punch you and then it

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.280
kind of like goes back to like funny but you

00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.019
can see it's gonna be difficult they're not entirely

00:50:39.019 --> 00:50:42.760
on the same page no they're not and season two

00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.480
is gonna break us but yeah they're not They're

00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.719
not. And they almost never are, right? That's

00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.119
the beauty. They almost never are on the same

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.780
page. They almost never are. Yeah, they almost

00:50:52.780 --> 00:50:56.030
never are. So, yeah, so. that's that's the cottage

00:50:56.030 --> 00:50:59.030
and uh i really hope that season two starts with

00:50:59.030 --> 00:51:01.469
that because i think it would be important yeah

00:51:01.469 --> 00:51:04.949
and that's a wrap and that's a wrap that was

00:51:04.949 --> 00:51:08.389
fun very fun very fun very emotional yeah i was

00:51:08.389 --> 00:51:11.489
about to say the same thing a little bit heartbreaking

00:51:11.489 --> 00:51:14.849
again like reliving this and hurting our own

00:51:14.849 --> 00:51:18.570
feelings non -stop but it gets a little But anyway,

00:51:18.670 --> 00:51:21.849
let's lighten the mood and talk about our sunshine.

00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:24.010
What is your sunshine for the week? My sunshine

00:51:24.010 --> 00:51:29.369
is my neighborhood. We just moved this colossal

00:51:29.369 --> 00:51:33.690
trampoline from our neighbor's house to our home.

00:51:33.730 --> 00:51:35.570
And you would think this was an easy process,

00:51:35.630 --> 00:51:38.710
but bear in mind that we did not want to take

00:51:38.710 --> 00:51:42.289
it apart. So we had to recruit like six guys

00:51:42.289 --> 00:51:45.570
from the neighborhood. And my husband just put

00:51:45.570 --> 00:51:48.489
a call out earlier. today, you know, six people

00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:53.250
showed up and lifted it up. And one brought a

00:51:53.250 --> 00:51:57.150
baby who was watching this occur. And then we...

00:51:57.389 --> 00:52:00.230
pizza and drink some beer it was really sweet

00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:02.989
and it just reminds me uh you know there are

00:52:02.989 --> 00:52:06.949
so many ways that community is so important um

00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:09.710
the neighborhood community and also our our friend

00:52:09.710 --> 00:52:13.690
community um we went to a derby party that was

00:52:13.690 --> 00:52:17.250
really fun and on all of those places the kids

00:52:17.250 --> 00:52:19.949
were completely welcome You know, and it was

00:52:19.949 --> 00:52:22.150
just really nice. It was just a really nice weekend.

00:52:22.969 --> 00:52:25.909
And I love my neighborhood and I love my friends.

00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:28.909
Oh, that's really nice. What's your sunshine

00:52:28.909 --> 00:52:31.829
this week? I know that I've told you that I've

00:52:31.829 --> 00:52:34.369
been trying to get my mom to watch heated rivalry.

00:52:34.630 --> 00:52:38.570
Now, the context here, as many of our listeners,

00:52:38.690 --> 00:52:40.469
if you've been listening to us since the beginning,

00:52:40.570 --> 00:52:43.719
know. I was born and raised in the former Soviet

00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.780
Union. Obviously, my parents were born and raised

00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:50.179
there, too, specifically Uzbekistan. So as many

00:52:50.179 --> 00:52:54.619
people know, you know, very repressive laws against

00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:58.460
LGBTQ. So I kind of figured my my parents are

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:00.619
liberal, but they're Soviet liberal. You know,

00:53:00.619 --> 00:53:02.300
that's a little. Yeah, that's a different type

00:53:02.300 --> 00:53:06.050
of liberal. But. I empathize with that. Yeah,

00:53:06.170 --> 00:53:08.670
they're great. They're great. I love them. But

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I didn't think they were going to go for this.

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But I thought I had a shot with my mom. So I've

00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:17.809
gently like. Kept asking. And then at some point

00:53:17.809 --> 00:53:19.309
I kind of gave up and I was like, whatever, I'm

00:53:19.309 --> 00:53:21.190
not going to push someone, you know, to watch

00:53:21.190 --> 00:53:22.730
something they're just not interested in. And

00:53:22.730 --> 00:53:24.309
it's not going to be a good experience for any

00:53:24.309 --> 00:53:27.170
of us. And then finally, my mom brought it up

00:53:27.170 --> 00:53:30.070
after reading that article I wrote, the Trenchfoot

00:53:30.070 --> 00:53:32.429
article. She brought it up. She said, I'll watch

00:53:32.429 --> 00:53:35.690
it with you. So finally, on Friday night, she

00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:38.610
texted me and she's like, I'm ready. So I ran.

00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:42.769
I ran as fast as I could. You dropped everything.

00:53:42.929 --> 00:53:45.070
You're like, I'm coming, mom. I said goodbye.

00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.840
children goodbye husband I'm out she was locked

00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.860
in from the moment that show started I don't

00:53:51.860 --> 00:53:54.900
even think she blinked the entire time okay so

00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:58.019
after the first episode she's just like oh my

00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.300
god those poor boys like she's already feeling

00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.460
so much for them you know and I'm like all right

00:54:02.460 --> 00:54:05.179
I know I have her like she's locked in we watched

00:54:05.179 --> 00:54:06.820
the second episode and I kind of like look at

00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:09.039
her and I'm like you want to do three and she

00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:14.529
goes okay so we did three on Friday night On

00:54:14.529 --> 00:54:17.289
Saturday morning, I get a text message from her

00:54:17.289 --> 00:54:21.650
with the word ready to do the rest. So I run

00:54:21.650 --> 00:54:24.449
over there. And again, we were only supposed

00:54:24.449 --> 00:54:26.949
to watch two because we were going to this derby

00:54:26.949 --> 00:54:28.730
party. And I was like, I don't have time to do

00:54:28.730 --> 00:54:33.010
all three. But we had time because after five,

00:54:33.090 --> 00:54:35.909
you can't not watch the cottage. I mean, if that's

00:54:35.909 --> 00:54:38.789
at your fingertips. Obviously, when you had to

00:54:38.789 --> 00:54:40.550
wait, you had to wait. You had no choice. But

00:54:40.550 --> 00:54:42.150
if it's at your fingertips, you're going to go

00:54:42.150 --> 00:54:44.630
to the cottage after five. My mom is not very

00:54:44.630 --> 00:54:48.650
like emotive. But during episode five, when Scott

00:54:48.650 --> 00:54:51.429
comes out very publicly, she like raised her

00:54:51.429 --> 00:54:54.090
arms up like triumphantly, you know, like real

00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:56.690
quick. Like as if somebody was watching her,

00:54:56.769 --> 00:55:00.469
like it was the cutest thing ever. And she loved

00:55:00.469 --> 00:55:02.559
it. At some point, she's like, they have very

00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.599
nice bodies. I'm like, yeah, no shit. You're

00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.739
like, yes, Diana's mom is correct. But, you know,

00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:13.480
her her final thought was they make it seem like

00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.860
a happy ending. But you know that it is not.

00:55:16.269 --> 00:55:18.909
all there auntie i just want to say you and i

00:55:18.909 --> 00:55:22.349
are on the same vibe you are you are we loved

00:55:22.349 --> 00:55:25.769
it from episode one unlike some folks out there

00:55:25.769 --> 00:55:28.369
who shall remain nameless i don't know who she's

00:55:28.369 --> 00:55:32.130
talking about no idea thank you for being another

00:55:32.130 --> 00:55:34.929
recruit on behalf of diana that experience for

00:55:34.929 --> 00:55:37.659
me was I don't know if I could describe it and

00:55:37.659 --> 00:55:39.719
it might sound even very silly to some people,

00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.340
but it felt really meaningful to watch that with

00:55:42.340 --> 00:55:45.119
her and to actually have her enjoy it and process

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.260
it and analyze it with me. And yeah, so I that's

00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:50.800
my moment of sunshine and it makes me a little

00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.860
teary. But as you know, everything makes me teary

00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:55.699
now. So this is no surprise. Well, you know,

00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.199
the thing that I love, I love that the trench

00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.769
foot episode, which is. entitled Women and Our

00:56:00.769 --> 00:56:03.949
Feelings was sort of the inspiration of this.

00:56:04.030 --> 00:56:08.010
I have to say that one felt really cathartic

00:56:08.010 --> 00:56:12.510
to both, you know, like kind of do on the spur,

00:56:12.690 --> 00:56:15.630
think through. So I love that, you know, that

00:56:15.630 --> 00:56:18.090
piece that you wrote and then that translated

00:56:18.090 --> 00:56:22.190
into an episode really was the like. That's what

00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:24.210
got her. Yeah. Yeah. That pushed her into it.

00:56:24.210 --> 00:56:26.889
Women in our feelings. Women. And she's in her

00:56:26.889 --> 00:56:29.550
feelings a lot. So, and I, I understand that.

00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:32.750
I get it. I get it. Next week on Everyone Deserves

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