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Welcome to Everyone Deserves Sunshine. I'm Diana.

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And I'm Anusha. We're the girls in the crease.

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You may have noticed that our intro song sounds

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a little different today. And that's because

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for our music episode, we have a very special

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surprise guest. Very special. Yep. Harrison.

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The legend. The legend who blessed us with the

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sultry cover of all the things she says that

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plays at the end of episode five. That's right.

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Sultry, hypnotic, all of the things. And he was

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generous enough to let us use a little snippet

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of the song for this episode. So, Diana, should

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we jump right into the interview we did with

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Harrison? I think we need to give the people

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what they want. Let's go. We have a very special

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guest we want to welcome to The Crease. Welcome

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to our podcast, Harrison. Hello. Thank you so

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much for being here and bringing some sunshine

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our way. Huge fans of the show and huge fans

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of your absolutely stunning cover of all the

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things she said. I know you said growing up.

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You had like a broad swath of musical influences

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like Phil Collins, Sting, Eminem. And then you

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got into sort of the rave scene as a teen, right?

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So tell me your story. Tell me your musical story.

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I always liked dance music. But firstly, I was

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probably more of like writing songs and more

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guitar vibes, singer -songwriter stuff. The dance

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music came when I was walking into a guitar shop

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and there was a young guy together and i'm chatting

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to him in the street so at the time i wanted

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to chill and uh and and make music with anyone

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and then he came back and he was kind of making

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dance music and i was like maybe i shouldn't

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be doing this maybe i should be making dance

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music and that's kind of where that began that's

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the true kind of like part of it i'd say from

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that point on that i can pinpoint it down to

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the exact moment i knew i wanted to be a dj do

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you know i've never told the actual i'm gonna

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give it to you i'm gonna give it to you 100 this

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is the legit story of how it happened so guitar

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shop happened after that i'm making a bunch of

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um dance music and i'm writing records but nobody's

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replying and i'm wondering why nobody's replying

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and i'm just sat there like i'm sitting i mean

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they're really rubbish right or like just the

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industry doesn't care And then one day, a manager

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from England said, I'm going to come over and

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see your studio and we're going to talk about

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music. I was like, studio? Like, I'm in a garage.

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Like, there's some breeze block on the wall and

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a couple of speakers. But like, you're going

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to be so disappointed. Anyway, he comes around.

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He listened for like five minutes and he just

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disappeared. And then he comes back and he's

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like, I manage DJ Chucky. I want you to come

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to Amsterdam this weekend to come to the show

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to meet him. And he made that. The song was called

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Let the Bass Kick originally. And then obviously

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LMFAO and the whole global reach of what he had

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was pretty cool. And he sold out a venue in Holland,

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which is really famous, called the Heineken Musical.

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And it's pretty massive. And in Holland, you

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rave till like 5 a .m. when you don't go home,

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right? Like, it's not like, go to this venue.

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Because of, you know, this big venue. Well, yeah,

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no, it's massive. I go there. I remember it was

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snowing. I remember it was my birthday. It was

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February 22nd and I walk outside after the thing

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and I saw lights. I saw like lasers. I saw thousands

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of people coming together and I was just like,

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you know what? This is what I want to do. So

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I met a bunch of people that night who also were

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in the music industry and I was just networking,

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doing my thing. I go home and I write about my

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experience of doing that, right? That's when

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I wrote my song, Ain't a Party. You don't know

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this yet, but this story is about to get good.

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I send this to DJ Chucky, who's always been a

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very, very lovely person to me. And there's like

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the Miami Ultra Music Week, the biggest dance

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festival of the world. Like that's... Yeah. That's

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peak, right? He's playing main stage that weekend.

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And I gave him the track that I made. He plays

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it. Calvin Harris plays it. David Guetta plays

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it. And then literally that weekend, David Guetta

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was on the phone to the person that sent me to

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Amsterdam saying, well, I want to release this

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with Harrison. And that's how it happened. That's

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incredible. And that's like my first experience

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in the music business like ever. And I'm going

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from like nothing to like, I mean, I think he

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just released Akon, Sexy Chick, like, and then

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it was me. And I was like, this is just surreal.

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So to do it one time is one thing, but now I'm

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doing it by myself and on a whole different level

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because I'd say heat rivalry is way bigger. oh

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my god you know it's so well deserved and and

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it's global you get a series that goes number

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one on hbo right and then you get a viral song

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in canada and america at the same time and the

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number one viral song for like a month and then

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you throw in the olympics and and obviously the

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grammy after parties i've seen the videos there

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miley cyrus talking about it jennifer lopez posting

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it you can't get to this point of just like wow

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like what is going on and I sit there and I scratch

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my head all the time thinking I stay awake awake

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at night like why me like why now I just had

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my daughter you know she's nine months old yeah

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I know and oh my god so much excitement for you

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yeah And I obviously was going to quit and then

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I didn't. And then I did this and then like kind

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of is in there. Now everybody's offering me like

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an album deal. We're doing this music episode

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and we did like a super deep dive into how the

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music is work through the show. And the music

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really is supporting character, like one of the

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biggest supporting characters in the show, which

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is why we decided to do the full episode. I don't

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know whether that scene would have been the same

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without that song. That's what I'm saying. A

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lot of times the music says what the characters

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can't say, right? So what do you think your song

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in that moment says to you or to all of us? Firstly,

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they're phenomenal actors. So I think anything

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could have been there and you would have liked

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the scene anyway. But the fact of what he did

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as a director to flip that at that point, old

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to new, one story to another. there's just so

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many levels the second half of the scene like

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where it goes into the credits and he's alone

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and he's in the shower and like the actual part

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like that to me was like the take my glasses

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off throw it across the room moment do you know

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what i mean the real fans know like they know

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like where it goes to like that point where it's

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like okay this is just absolutely mental and

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then even it took me a second to like it's the

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bombshell moment of the whole It is. That needle

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drop. It's just such a raw and intense scene.

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And did you know that was where your song was

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going to go? You did. I knew it was in a club

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scene. I didn't know the context. No one had

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seen the series at that point. Only they knew.

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When I watched it the first time, what I was

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thinking was, my song's in this show. Why aren't

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they playing my version? Why aren't they playing

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the other one? Maybe they got it wrong. That's

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what I was thinking. Oh, that's so funny. And

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then when they flipped it, I was like, oh, there

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it is. Yeah. Did you have a flip? Did you feel

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that flip? Yeah, of course. But, like, the whole

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time I was like, wait, I swear, like, a few months

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ago they asked me if I was going to be in this

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show. They're like, did you guys use the wrong

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version? Did you just make me sign away a song

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that I don't own? So you weren't exactly sure

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how they were going to be stitched together?

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No, no, no, no, no. I didn't know. Wow. It was

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a surprise for you too. Yeah, it was a surprise

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for me too. But then I was just as mesmerized

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as everybody else. Right. That is such an interesting

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thing. I love that you were watching it and we

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were like, wait a second. When is it my turn?

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Well, I was like, okay, fair enough. They got

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it wrong and they must think that I'm tattooed.

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But like, obviously, that's naive to think that.

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I listened to all the things she said in the

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Russian clubs. And I remember dancing to them

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or to the song in Russian because, right, the

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originals are Russian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

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And dancing to that song and just feeling some

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type of way. Not quite sure why. It made me so

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emotional. And back then at like 18 -year -old

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or 17 -year -old, I didn't quite like understand

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why. And then hearing it again, and it's been

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years since I've even thought of the song. Hearing

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it again in that scene, the original. Right.

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The English original. And then hearing your remake

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of it. I know it's a cliche, but I swear it like

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altered my brain chemistry. Not just the original,

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but the way it transfers to your song and the

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way the scene escalates as your music does every

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second, like every second and the way the actors

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follow it. Like I know you said like, yes, they're

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insane actors. They're they're incredible. But

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in that moment, I don't know if there could have

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been any other song that would have done. The

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same thing that not only the Tattoo song did,

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but your version of it. It just escalated that

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scene to such a level for me. I'm truly grateful

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for your song. I really am. I think. Thank you.

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Well, that's really kind. On a personal level,

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it did something for me. And I just wanted to

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say that to you. And I hope you enjoy it for

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years to come. And, you know, it brings you that

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type of happiness whenever you hear it. I listen

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to it all the time. It's on the loop. You think

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I'm kidding, but if you're around here, we're

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coming. Like, that's it. I'm dragging Anusha

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out. We're coming. We are going. Yeah, you should

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definitely see it. I mean, the whole show means

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so much to me. And that moment was such a pivotal

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moment. It's almost like the pretense came off,

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you know, the tattoo song, which was Russian

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and was like clearly so important to pick that

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song for Ilya. Then your song came on with this

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sort of like hypnotic. I used to listen to it

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before the show, obviously. And I used to like

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be on my motorbike or something and I would.

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sit there and and and whenever it came on I like

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my I find my speedo going a little bit faster

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and it like yeah there was always something to

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this and uh and it gave me the same kind of feeling

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Your song feels like it was one of the most associated

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songs to this beautiful queer love story. And

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I know that house music has a special place in

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the queer community. So was that something that

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was on your radar as you were thinking about

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this? I've always covered and remixed, I guess

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you could say queer songs too. For instance,

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Tainted Love or Sweet Dreams. I find they're

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to be the best club songs. And I love, love,

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love all of my gay fans. Oh my God. Like, can

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I just say, they are the biggest supporters of

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like me I've ever had. I've been doing this for

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like 13 years. And if I'm going to go and play

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prides, lucky me, right? Because like that is

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going to be like a party on a party on a steroids.

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And I am so... Just I'm buzzed to be part of

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this. This is so cool. Tockey is one thing, you

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know, the sports is another thing. But the fact

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that I have a whole, I'm part of something that's

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like actual athletes coming out. Yeah. That's

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so cool. Does that feel strange to you? It was

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just you and you had this like control over your

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own music and now it's so much bigger. Does it

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feel different to you? The day that I woke up

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on the 15th of December and the first wave hit

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from Canada. Going, do you know what just happened?

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I realized that this was, I thought, okay, this

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will be done in a couple of weeks. Like, you

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know, it's whatever. It's just a song. But every

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week I see these, like this bump and it just

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goes up and up and up. And now we're at like

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a half a billion views on TikTok. It's defining.

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It's like, is it the spike or is it like forever?

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After people didn't even know that I sang the

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song, which is beyond me. I just assumed that

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you did, honestly. I just assumed it. Yeah, well,

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some people are like, you sang it too? And I'm

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like, yeah. Because where else did it come? Where

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else did the vocals come? Well, I mean, not every

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producer sings so, but I knew you did. Because

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you're kind of like a hybrid because you have

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that sort of vocalist background too. But a lot

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of the comments, like I posted a video on TikTok

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of me singing it, and like half of them are like,

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you sang it too? And I'm like, what do you mean?

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It's a guy voice and a girl voice. Like, can't

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you tell the difference? Like, how do you not

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know? I remade every single part of that song.

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I remade the whole production. I remade the whole

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everything. And that's obviously why it became

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a whole new thing. And I'm just so glad that

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so many people can, I don't know, discover something

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that was so famous the first time. And they get

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to find out about it. I never thought in a million

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years I would have a number one viral record.

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number one anything I always thought I was going

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to be remembered for that Tomorrowland song to

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actually have this now for me just feels like

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a whole I've got a whole new excitement which

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I never had about making music I lost it and

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you're just thinking like it's all happening

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I'm in the right place when's it going to be

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your turn my turn or if maybe it's never going

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to be my turn and maybe I'm just supposed to

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be in this place But now I feel like, if anything,

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it is my time and I'm going to just run with

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it. So I will be here with an album probably

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by the end of this year. And I'll be drip feeding

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it over the summer. Everybody's going to remember

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me for your rivalry now anyway. Possibly temporarily,

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possibly. But I think your music is so good that

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it's going to transcend this, honestly. Everyone

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needs a kick or something that boosts them. A

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lot of people have always said in the past, what's

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the story? What's your story? And it's like,

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well, you know, I'm this and I'm that or whatever.

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But now this is a crazy story. This has actually

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got some real stuff behind it. The fact that

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this resonated with anyone, I'm very, very thankful

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and I appreciate your time with me here. And

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I'm glad that the music resonated with you and

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made you happy. It was stunning and it was part

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of the whole story. So thank you for making it.

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Thank you for spending the time with us. The

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world's in a weird place right now and we need...

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We're like passengers just watching this rail

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train run out of control. That's a really good

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metaphor. Apologies from our end over here. Yeah,

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we're contributing to that. We have little control.

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No, I feel you. I think that's also why people

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are clinging to this beautiful story with this

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beautiful soundtrack. Yeah, it's an escape from

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what's actually really happening. To feel hope.

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Yeah, but also to... It gives you hope for love,

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I think, in a lot of ways. And that's kind of

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like the message of all of it. Anyway, lovely

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to meet you all. You too, Harrison. Thank you

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so much. Thank you so much. That was so amazing.

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I can't believe that actually happened. It feels

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extremely surreal. If you want to see the full

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interview with Harrison, head over to our socials,

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including, courtesy of our social media maven,

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Diana, YouTube. Now I know we have YouTube now

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so yeah over there we hope you loved that interview

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as much as we did. Now let's dive into the music

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analysis of Heated Rivalry. We're switching things

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up a little bit from our previous episodes so

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today we're going to go episode by episode breaking

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down how the score and the soundtrack elevate

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each scene. Think of it as a sonic deep dive

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with Shane, Ilya, Scott, Kip and The music, which

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is also its own character on the show, I think.

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For sure. Yeah. So let's get started. I rewatched

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every single episode specifically to hear how

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each song plays in each scene. Took about like

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five pages of notes for each episode. I felt

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like I was back in college. So yeah, but for

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research purposes, I rewatched the entire season

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for research, you know, for research. For research.

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You know, we're very, very good researchers if

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we're not anything else. I did something very

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similar to maybe about five pages of notes, like

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maybe mental notes. But, you know, kind of it

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was a rediscovery of the show. Because I thought

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I understood what was going on with Shane and

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Ilya. But when you rewatch specifically for the

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music, it's telling an adjacent and sometimes

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entirely different story than what is being actually

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said on the screen. Right. I mean it in the best

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way. It's extremely intentional. It's the same

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story, but you're watching it from a different

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perspective. So I know a lot of people like watch

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the show over and over again and they'll watch

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it from like. Ilya's perspective and then Shane's

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perspective, you know, and all these different,

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and like watching it from the music perspective

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is like a really interesting way to rewatch it.

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Right. So that's really cool. Yeah. I like it.

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Music perspective. And it was also the first

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time I actually watched it with headphones because

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I usually have, you know, I watched it the cover

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of night, like a vampire reading the subtitles,

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but I wanted the full experience. I want the

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full immersion. So that's what I did differently

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this time too. Before we get into like the very

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specific moments that total. destroyed us over

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and over again. I want to talk about the needle

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drop. Some people might not know what that means.

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Yes. Please, please explain this. All right.

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Cool. The needle drop in shows or movies, they're

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used at like very specific intentional moments

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to create an emotional or cultural hit. They

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trigger some sort of like memory or feeling instantly.

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And then they often mark a turning point in the

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whole narrative, right? Like, so the narrative

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can work faster because a song can explain something

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in 30 seconds versus, you know, dialogue that

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might take like 30 minutes to explain. That's

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a really good explanation. It's the part that

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really triggers memory and feeling instantly

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with the audience. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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because like it's usually a popular song that

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you have heard before in your life. And Tierney

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said that the music in the show didn't just come

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from like some master plan. It came from his

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gut, which like I feel that, right? Like you

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feel a lot of the gut in this. And all the needle

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drops were throwbacks to his own taste, the music

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he was listening to back then. And that's why

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the soundtrack feels lived in instead of curated.

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Music wasn't just some sort of decoration for

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him. It was part of the writing. For example,

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he said in one of the interviews that he wanted

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I'll Believe in Anything by The Wolf Parade in

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episode five, which we're going to talk about

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later. But he had cleared that before the show

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was even written. Wow. I know, right? So that

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tells you how central the music is to his storytelling

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and the storytelling in the show. needle drops

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for him are just about like triggering that subconscious

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reaction and making you feel something before

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you could even name it so there's that i actually

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love the phrasing of it i maybe did read an article

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about it but the way you explain it is so is

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so great these moments these like showstoppers

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they're working together with peter peter's original

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score Which is sort of the emotional basis of

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the show, right? It's the groundwork. It's the

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foundation upon which these moments of tension

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ebb and flow. So I was reading about, speaking

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of research, I was reading about Peter Peters'

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approach to the score. And he said, Something

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in one of his interviews or one of these things

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I was reading that really struck me. He said

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he's trying to create music that gives voice

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to these characters in our lives. That Shane

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and Ilya are so guarded with their own emotions

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that the score does things that the words can't.

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That it evokes those emotions and it lets the

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audience know what the true emotion underlying

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a moment is. Yeah. It's kind of tells you something

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the characters aren't able to say or, you know,

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unable to cope with at that moment. So it's for

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those private moments, the intimacy, the anxiety.

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It's the internal dialogue. Right. Right. Yeah.

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But then the needle drops are like for public

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facing the clubs, the montages, the monologues,

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like whereas the score you're telling me is for

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like their private moments. And that's so well

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done. Yeah. Beautiful juxtaposition. And they

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know how to use this music to evoke. emotion.

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But they also know when not to score and when

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to let dialogue and silence speak for itself.

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And I think we're going to highlight a couple

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of those moments. I wonder if it struck our listeners

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too, when these moments were happening, because

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sometimes silence, from a score and music perspective,

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just as much work. as those needle drop moments,

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as the beautiful underlying score. And so I thought

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that was such a fascinating take about the approach.

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Right, exactly. So should we get into it episode

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by episode? I think we should. We haven't done

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an episode by episode before, but I guess it's

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time. It's time. It's the best place to do it.

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Let's dive into episode one, Rookies, and talk

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about how we're introduced to the score right

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from the beginning. A lot of the music here is

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about their public life, right? Because we don't

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really have their private life yet. So it's the

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external competitive world. Yeah. And it's like

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so pulsing, right? Like pulse driven. Yes, exactly.

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So one of the key pieces, good call on the pulsing.

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One of the key pieces is called rivalry. It's

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the one, the first one on the score. And that's

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when we first see them on the ice. It's like

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competitive pulse, like you say, like the sound

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of the outside world watching them and like almost

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like crashing into them. Yeah, very. Apropos

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of hockey, it felt very showy, like a showcase

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almost. Yeah, that's true. But then later in

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the episode, we get Melt. By the way, I love

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the names of the score. Oh, yes. But we get Melt,

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which is apparently one of Peter Peter's favorite

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pieces. And that's the shower scene when Illya

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is attempting to entice Shane. I love how it's

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called Melt, like you're melting into each other.

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Whatever. Melting in the shower. Melting in the

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shower. Well, I mean, Shane is melting. Shane

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is melting. It's actually happening. And that

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piece also has this like pulsing quality, but

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now it feels more intimate, like high stakes.

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It's almost like showing us Shane's uncertainty

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about what's going on. And the music is now saying

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something that the characters cannot say, right?

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It's starting. It's starting. It's starting its

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journey. I love that you can see that sequencing

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because rivalry, again, is so external, but the

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score transitions into something more private.

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And then we get subsequently after that, something

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even more significant, that final scene in Vegas,

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you know, the one where Shane finds Ilya sulking

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on the terrace and the music. My gosh, the music

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there. That part of the score is called Two Souls.

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I mean, my God. Right. The title is just so beautiful

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because it. captures completely the internal

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aspect of where they are now. In just one episode,

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you clearly see it's not just about sex, and

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we get it right away. We're establishing it early

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in episode one. We've talked about this a lot.

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We know that people have different feelings about

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when things got serious for Shane, when they

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got serious for Ilya. But when you hear... the

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music, the scoring, you can hear it with them

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right then in episode one in Two Souls that is

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bigger than just physical attraction, you know?

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Right. Yeah, exactly. Not to mention the look

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that he gives Shane when he leaves, like obviously

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bigger than physical attraction, but it like

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reflects like what you said about the evolution

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from private to public and public to private.

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And that song, that Two Souls song becomes like

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their song because it starts with, it starts

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as Two Souls, but later it's switches to one

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soul. Same melody, different meaning. The show

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is literally tracking their emotional progression

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with the score. Right. I was getting goosebumps

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reading the names of these pieces. You know,

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this is the romance genre, right? We know it

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is. And you know that these two souls are going

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to become one. The music is telling you that

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from the beginning. You know, it's all the strings

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are coming together right away. The second you

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hear no strings, you're like, that's a lie. Liar

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told you that. You know strings are coming. The

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score is telling you something that the characters

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are not ready to admit. Okay, episode two. All

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right, moving on to episode two, the Olympians.

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We start with a texting montage. And so much

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of Shane and Ilya's relationship has to live

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in text, right? Like it can't be public. They're

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usually apart. So like texting is the only way.

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And I love that the texting is on screen and

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not like we don't have to look inside their phones,

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you know? By the way, I love the transition of

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the phones too. Like the old phones and then

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the flip phones. phones and then like so much

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in there right i know i took no no don't be don't

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be sorry it's fine because there's so much to

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say you know but it's a music episode but we

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got to talk about other things you know but tyranny

00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:44.480
and speaking of music tyranny uses music and

00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.559
score to like turn these text exchanges into

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something like charged and sexy rather than flat

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you know yeah absolutely and um you know specifically

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there's a song during the sexting scene Where

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did you learn that word, sexting? Yeah, yeah.

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There's a song during that scene that's a little

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different from the rest of the texting montage.

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It's called Marge 2 by Wet Leg. Nice attempt.

00:25:09.789 --> 00:25:12.450
I'm probably butchering that. And I think that

00:25:12.450 --> 00:25:15.190
was chosen because it seems more serious, more

00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:18.190
intimate. And then when they're actually together

00:25:18.190 --> 00:25:21.430
for the first time having penetrative sex, the

00:25:21.430 --> 00:25:24.589
music completely shifts, right? It's like...

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.500
Two years after the Vegas scene. I know. Two

00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:32.000
years. The passage of time. Peter Peters said

00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.099
that song, It's You, that's playing during their

00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:38.740
first penetrative sex. And the reason we say

00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:41.539
that is because they have sex before. Like, all

00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:44.609
the other stuff they've done is sex, right? Right.

00:25:44.670 --> 00:25:47.170
It's still sex, right? But yeah, so like Peter,

00:25:47.190 --> 00:25:49.450
Peter said that like that song was meant to represent

00:25:49.450 --> 00:25:52.809
their deepening connection. The music turns all

00:25:52.809 --> 00:25:55.690
of these exchanges and all of that sexting and

00:25:55.690 --> 00:25:58.390
yearning over the last two years into this one

00:25:58.390 --> 00:26:01.230
final moment where they're falling in love, man.

00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:04.470
They're clearly caught feelings and it's you.

00:26:04.670 --> 00:26:07.109
It's you. It's the buildup. So you're going from

00:26:07.109 --> 00:26:10.369
two souls to it's you in this moment, you know?

00:26:10.369 --> 00:26:13.150
Exactly. It's you, which we will also come back

00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:15.109
to a little bit. bit later okay should we also

00:26:15.109 --> 00:26:18.049
then talk about the vegas bathroom screen i would

00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:20.769
love i would love to talk about it yeah let's

00:26:20.769 --> 00:26:22.609
make a deal let's make a deal which is also the

00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:26.549
title deal yeah so in that moment you know ilia's

00:26:26.549 --> 00:26:29.109
trying to play it cool he's doing his usual little

00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:32.410
bantering but the music is so emotional because

00:26:32.410 --> 00:26:36.490
shane is genuinely so upset the music is cluing

00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:40.210
ilia in to how shane is actually feeling it gives

00:26:40.210 --> 00:26:43.720
the words to shane's hurt and it brings Ilya

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.619
back to the intensity of the moment, even though

00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:48.980
he's trying desperately to escape the intensity

00:26:48.980 --> 00:26:52.140
of the moment. Ilya comes in all cocky. And Shane

00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:53.960
is like, what the fuck do you want? Like, what

00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.180
do you actually want, Rosanoff? Like, you've

00:26:56.180 --> 00:26:58.559
been ignoring me for six months. Like, what the

00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.099
fuck do you actually want? You can actually anticipate

00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:05.180
Ilya's entrance. Even before his footsteps ring

00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:07.779
in that bathroom, you know, you could feel like,

00:27:07.900 --> 00:27:10.319
oh, he's going to bust in here. And the choice.

00:27:10.730 --> 00:27:13.269
of music in that moment you could just feel it

00:27:13.269 --> 00:27:16.470
hurting like the music is hurting just like shane

00:27:16.470 --> 00:27:19.089
is hurting you know with those eyes with the

00:27:19.089 --> 00:27:23.069
tears like it's definitely it's definitely a

00:27:23.069 --> 00:27:25.109
supporting character you see like all the longing

00:27:25.109 --> 00:27:28.269
all the yearning the eye contact like how close

00:27:28.269 --> 00:27:31.589
they are like wow genetic right like like all

00:27:31.589 --> 00:27:35.009
of that you like feel it feel it right and speaking

00:27:35.009 --> 00:27:38.029
of supporting characters i feel like this is

00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:42.160
The perfect moment to transition to Chair. Chair.

00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:46.380
Yes, Chair. Chair. Chair. The unsung hero of

00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:49.440
this entire series. No, Chair is unsung, honestly,

00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.440
because we get emails about Chair. Yeah, fair

00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.089
enough. Fair enough. Chair is well sung. Chair

00:27:57.089 --> 00:27:59.869
is a hero. Chair is doing a lot of heavy lifting

00:27:59.869 --> 00:28:03.690
in that scene. Chair is. And I always capitalize

00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:06.589
chair with a C when we text each other about

00:28:06.589 --> 00:28:09.289
this. We do. It is a character. You're right.

00:28:09.390 --> 00:28:11.569
So tell me what happens with the chair. So after

00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:13.809
the bathroom, they go back to the hotel with

00:28:13.809 --> 00:28:17.089
chair. And the track that they have sex to in

00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:20.380
that moment is called Inferno, which is. literally

00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:23.700
the best name you could possibly put on that

00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:27.180
track best the best and i was like where is this

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.019
song where is this oh my god i remember i was

00:28:30.019 --> 00:28:33.119
going completely crazy i couldn't find it i would

00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.640
remember trying to find it for you i was trying

00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.220
to find it for like everyone i'm like where is

00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:37.660
the song and like finally the internet's like

00:28:37.660 --> 00:28:40.420
it hasn't come out yet you know but then it comes

00:28:40.420 --> 00:28:44.339
out an inferno are you fucking kidding me a fire

00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:47.960
that is dangerously out of control which like

00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:51.289
their desire is out of control for one another,

00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:54.210
right? Like their need, they're playing this

00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:57.809
like cat and mouse game, like this dynamic, right?

00:28:57.930 --> 00:29:00.630
And Shane is being a little submissive in that

00:29:00.630 --> 00:29:04.829
moment, which is like insanely hot. And Ilya

00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:07.869
is, you know, the soft dom, which is also insanely

00:29:07.869 --> 00:29:11.490
hot. And that track is insanely hot and it's

00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:13.869
so energetic and it's so intense. And it has

00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:17.190
this like deep bass. You can feel the energy

00:29:17.190 --> 00:29:19.940
sort of swooping. in the pit of your stomach

00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:21.960
that's what it felt like it was like a swoop

00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:27.180
um so yes chaotic trying to be controlled it

00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:29.660
just captured that moment completely dangerous

00:29:29.660 --> 00:29:32.660
it's dangerous like the inferno isn't just a

00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:35.319
fire right like i said like it's a fire you can't

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.819
contain so props to chair for doing a lot of

00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:41.720
work in that scene but also props to inferno

00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:45.390
Stunning. Perfect. Chef's kiss. So the first

00:29:45.390 --> 00:29:48.150
two episodes we've now talked about are really,

00:29:48.210 --> 00:29:51.410
I feel like, music heavy. And you get to episode

00:29:51.410 --> 00:29:54.029
three and you just don't see as much of score.

00:29:54.230 --> 00:29:57.289
So if we kind of go with this idea that the score

00:29:57.289 --> 00:30:00.430
communicates when the characters cannot, I think

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:03.589
Scott and Kip's communication style is much more

00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:06.809
open than Ilya and Shane. Yes, they have these

00:30:06.809 --> 00:30:09.630
deeply sad moments, these tragic moments, but

00:30:09.630 --> 00:30:11.529
they're communicating. They're acknowledging

00:30:11.529 --> 00:30:14.369
that their relationship means more than just

00:30:14.369 --> 00:30:16.970
at the surface level. Right. So I think their

00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:20.490
story, they're able to use words to move things

00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:23.349
along much more so than relying on the score.

00:30:23.869 --> 00:30:25.730
Right. Okay. That's true. But they have their

00:30:25.730 --> 00:30:28.230
own needle drops, though. They do. They do. Yeah.

00:30:28.329 --> 00:30:30.269
Like, you know, Wolf Parade's I'll Believe in

00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:33.049
Anything, which is kind of like Scott's and Kip's

00:30:33.049 --> 00:30:35.299
theme song. Kind of Scott's, but yeah. becomes

00:30:35.299 --> 00:30:38.579
both of theirs. Yes, yes. And that episode starts

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:41.660
with the Wolf Parade song and we hear it again,

00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:44.279
you know, later on in a very important moment.

00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:46.660
When I watched it, maybe even the first two times,

00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.579
I didn't realize that that episode began with

00:30:49.579 --> 00:30:51.500
that song. For some reason, I didn't even like

00:30:51.500 --> 00:30:53.460
clock that. And then later I'm like, oh my God.

00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:55.819
So you're right. There's still a couple needle

00:30:55.819 --> 00:30:57.940
drops in addition to I'll Believe in Anything.

00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.400
And one of them is the song Lumiere during Scott

00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.940
and Kip's montage. And it's... showing the progression

00:31:04.940 --> 00:31:08.900
of their relationship. and Lips by Baxter Dury

00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:11.099
when they break up. It's a beautiful song and

00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.539
it plays during such a heartbreaking moment that

00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:15.460
it's, yeah, when every time I hear it now on

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:18.019
the soundtrack, I just like know why it's there

00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:20.480
and it hurts my heart all over again. And even

00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.519
though they're communicating really tough things

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.680
and even though they're, you know, talking about

00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.819
the end of their relationship, they're talking

00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:30.339
about something, right? And so these needle drop

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:32.980
moments highlight it without the scaffolding

00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:36.170
of the score. And then we go on to... Episode

00:31:36.170 --> 00:31:39.769
four, it opens with one of my absolute favorite

00:31:39.769 --> 00:31:42.569
songs in the whole series. That montage that

00:31:42.569 --> 00:31:45.910
is set to My Moon, My Man by Feist. That's my

00:31:45.910 --> 00:31:49.589
earworm. My Moon, My Man completely transports

00:31:49.589 --> 00:31:52.609
me back to the world of heated rivalry. So it

00:31:52.609 --> 00:31:55.250
moves you through the sort of middle years of

00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:57.309
their relationship. They've had all this build

00:31:57.309 --> 00:31:59.990
up. And now they're in this kind of weird status

00:31:59.990 --> 00:32:03.089
quo where they're recognized sort of at least

00:32:03.089 --> 00:32:05.299
subconsciously that they're deeply in love. to

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.380
each other they've established a pattern of how

00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:11.680
they're gonna hook up and meet etc it meets their

00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.980
needs in some ways and so this is the middle

00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:18.140
of their story it's the essence of their relationship

00:32:18.140 --> 00:32:21.880
so for me that's why it's like for me the montage

00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:23.880
and Hudson actually said that's his favorite

00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.059
song from the show so that's kind of cool yeah

00:32:26.059 --> 00:32:29.619
so I clearly have good taste yeah and it's a

00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:32.079
song about Right. It's because it's a song about

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.119
longing. The lyrics kind of loop over and over

00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.559
because Shane and Ilya, frankly, they can't quit

00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.480
each other. They can't let each other go. They

00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.400
want to be not together, but they can't. But

00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.339
the strings remain. The strings are attached.

00:32:48.099 --> 00:32:51.319
They're pulling them together. Jacob Tierney

00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.220
is a genius when it comes to montage. I mean,

00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.910
everything, but the montages are. epic in this

00:32:55.910 --> 00:33:00.509
show right after the my moon my man we get instrumental

00:33:00.509 --> 00:33:03.890
tracks through episode four that separate the

00:33:03.890 --> 00:33:06.650
um private longing from the public performance

00:33:06.650 --> 00:33:10.950
and during the tuna melt episode i'm sorry during

00:33:10.950 --> 00:33:14.750
the tuna melt scene i feel like we Hurts my heart.

00:33:14.890 --> 00:33:17.690
There's a track called Heartbeat 3. The Heartbeat

00:33:17.690 --> 00:33:19.390
series. Right, right, right. The Heartbeat series.

00:33:19.509 --> 00:33:22.390
Tell us more. Tell us more. So I went so deep

00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:25.549
into the score and figuring out like how the

00:33:25.549 --> 00:33:28.450
motifs of certain tracks position themselves

00:33:28.450 --> 00:33:31.690
through the show. And I mean, it wasn't too difficult

00:33:31.690 --> 00:33:33.289
because it's called Heartbeat 1. Because Heartbeat

00:33:33.289 --> 00:33:35.569
2 is named. Like it was still interesting to

00:33:35.569 --> 00:33:37.410
know how they progressed through the show. Right,

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:39.450
right. Like where they happened. Heartbeat 1

00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:41.910
happens during their very first hookup. All right.

00:33:42.009 --> 00:33:44.180
They're like underlying feelings. that they can't

00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:46.039
express because they're not communicating, but

00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.700
it's communicated through this music, right?

00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.140
So heartbeat one. Then you have heartbeat two

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:52.779
that's playing during that sexting scene that

00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:54.859
you were talking about earlier in episode two.

00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:58.940
Then you have heartbeat three, which is when

00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:02.599
they call each other by their first names after

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.039
the freaking tuna melt. Shane freaks out. Shane

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.480
freaks out. Little fucker. I'm sorry. I'm so

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.030
mad. This poor... boy Ilya is on the couch with

00:34:14.030 --> 00:34:17.170
the outstretched hand like like Hollander like

00:34:17.170 --> 00:34:19.909
right like I just opened my heart to you and

00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:23.090
what like you're leaving me yeah but you know

00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:25.909
shade is equally heartbroken it just he doesn't

00:34:25.909 --> 00:34:28.170
know how to deal with it he just runs away you

00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:31.429
know um I was thinking about why these three

00:34:31.429 --> 00:34:34.349
particular moments are scored that way you know

00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:37.090
like why these moments are why are these the

00:34:37.090 --> 00:34:40.409
heartbeats um and I think it to me represents

00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:43.210
different eras in their relationship. The first

00:34:43.210 --> 00:34:45.949
heartbeat is it's the newness. It's exciting.

00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:48.750
It's fresh. And then the second heartbeat is

00:34:48.750 --> 00:34:52.489
sort of them falling in love. Yeah. In the sexing

00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:55.090
scene, you can see them both smiling in the same

00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:57.469
way. And then the third heartbeat is they've

00:34:57.469 --> 00:35:00.030
fallen in love. They're heading towards the heartbreak.

00:35:00.429 --> 00:35:02.650
This is the heartbreak. This is the heartbreak.

00:35:02.809 --> 00:35:05.530
Yeah. The music's telling them it's your heartbeat.

00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:07.900
Babe, it's your heartbeat. It's your heartbeat.

00:35:08.019 --> 00:35:10.619
So then right after the heartbeat Siri, we get

00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:14.139
Shane and Rose's media montage. And that song,

00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:16.780
I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce it

00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:19.480
in French. But in English, it's translated to

00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.460
It's You, which is also the name of the track

00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:24.760
from the first penetrative sex scene, right?

00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.519
That beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, exactly. So

00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.000
the parallel does not feel accidental to me,

00:35:31.059 --> 00:35:33.980
Anusha. 100%. Nothing in the show is accidental,

00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.449
right? Like it's accidental. the same phrase,

00:35:36.570 --> 00:35:39.949
a mimic of the same sentiment in different languages,

00:35:40.050 --> 00:35:43.170
in different contexts. In the first, it's you.

00:35:43.250 --> 00:35:47.110
The score is so deep, right? And this, it's you.

00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:51.150
It's very poppy and light and effervescent like

00:35:51.150 --> 00:35:54.590
champagne, but it's not the same. It does not

00:35:54.590 --> 00:35:57.429
have that depth that you see with the score.

00:35:57.710 --> 00:36:00.949
And the most significant thing, I think, is you're

00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:04.710
looking at it with Ilya's eyes because he's the

00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:07.590
one looking at the phone, you know, as this montage

00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:10.670
is going forward. He's dying inside. Jealous.

00:36:10.690 --> 00:36:13.869
You know, I love Rose, but Rose is not Shane's

00:36:13.869 --> 00:36:17.489
person. She's not. compatible she's not compatible

00:36:17.489 --> 00:36:20.750
with him so to me that effervescence even though

00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:23.110
it's beautiful and even though Rose of course

00:36:23.110 --> 00:36:26.050
has this huge impact on Shane she's not it for

00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:30.250
him and the fact that the song and the score

00:36:30.250 --> 00:36:34.590
are titled so similarly it's just beautiful because

00:36:34.590 --> 00:36:37.349
at the end of it I feel like it's about Ilya

00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:41.079
watching this relationship He's never out of

00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.039
the relationship with Shane and Rose. Never.

00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:45.539
No. How can he be? It's like all on social media.

00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.980
He watches them all the time. And in that episode,

00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:49.619
like you can count the heartbreaks. You know,

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.800
that's one. And then the next one, like. And

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.380
then the next one, Anusha changes our brain chemistry.

00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.559
Yeah. The club scene. The club scene. The club

00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.309
scene that wrecked our. brains all right okay

00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:04.650
we're gonna talk about it we're gonna talk about

00:37:04.650 --> 00:37:05.889
it we're probably gonna spend the rest of the

00:37:05.889 --> 00:37:07.449
time no i'm just kidding but we could we could

00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:09.809
rest of our lives it's talking about this all

00:37:09.809 --> 00:37:12.809
right so the scene as you all know uses two different

00:37:12.809 --> 00:37:15.130
versions of the same song all the things she

00:37:15.130 --> 00:37:17.210
said and tyranny said that he was actually looking

00:37:17.210 --> 00:37:21.030
for a specific russian club song and he knew

00:37:21.030 --> 00:37:23.309
that this one was so important to the queer community

00:37:23.309 --> 00:37:25.929
right and like to him as well and the fact that

00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:29.010
it's like the original is actually in Russian,

00:37:29.289 --> 00:37:33.289
it's called Yasash Lasoma, creates an additional

00:37:33.289 --> 00:37:35.090
layer for Ilya's character, right? Because it's

00:37:35.090 --> 00:37:37.349
like his culture, his language, his own queerness.

00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:40.929
Yeah, it's Ilya's internal world. It's his queer

00:37:40.929 --> 00:37:43.050
anthem, potentially. Right, exactly. And Tierney

00:37:43.050 --> 00:37:44.809
said he wanted two different versions of the

00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:47.670
song, same baseline, different emotional realities,

00:37:47.849 --> 00:37:51.210
one for Ilya, one for Shane. And so he then found

00:37:51.210 --> 00:37:55.650
Harrison's 2022 version, which is brilliant because

00:37:55.650 --> 00:37:58.449
these songs carry so much nostalgia, right? And

00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:00.650
so they're already like imprinted on us from

00:38:00.650 --> 00:38:02.929
young adulthood. Like obviously I said earlier

00:38:02.929 --> 00:38:05.309
in Harrison's interview, like I used to dance

00:38:05.309 --> 00:38:07.429
to this song in Russian nightclubs in the Russian

00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:09.510
version, right? So they're already imprinted

00:38:09.510 --> 00:38:12.110
on us. And then when it shows up in this context,

00:38:12.309 --> 00:38:15.110
like they hold time and place and feelings all

00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:17.289
at once. Perfectly imprinted. I love that word.

00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:20.849
It got to like all of us, right? Like, I mean,

00:38:20.849 --> 00:38:25.150
that song is just the perfect pinnacle of heated.

00:38:25.389 --> 00:38:27.619
I'm over here. And can we go? Talk about all

00:38:27.619 --> 00:38:30.320
of the micro acting that occurs around this song.

00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.420
You know, the exact moment Ilya clock smiles.

00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:37.760
We absolutely have to talk about that. We must,

00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:41.199
yeah. And Ilya's face changes. You can see him

00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:46.019
then turn around in this tiger shirt, which was

00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:49.500
hilarious too. That is like so Russian fuckboy

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.619
shirt. Like absolutely. Like I've seen millions

00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:54.539
of Russian men wearing shirts just like that.

00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:57.679
The tiger, yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's not subtle.

00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.139
So you see him scan the room. The music is thumping.

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.079
He's ordered this drink and now he's like tapping

00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.980
the bar to get it faster. All of this is wordless.

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.559
And then he takes that gulp of the beer or his

00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.179
drink and you see his throat kind of bob. And

00:39:13.179 --> 00:39:15.539
then you see him make up his mind about what

00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:17.519
he's going to do next. And it's like I said,

00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:20.119
it's all wordless. And the music and the acting

00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:22.639
are just like perfectly in sync. Perfect. Be

00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.559
unbeat, right? Like, be unbeat. He sees Miles.

00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.980
You could see it in his face. Like, it registers.

00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:31.059
Shane is here. I know Shane is here. And, you

00:39:31.059 --> 00:39:33.340
know, then the shift happens. And that's what

00:39:33.340 --> 00:39:36.760
I love. You go from sort of Ilya's interior world

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.619
that's scored by the Russian version, as you

00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:41.079
said, and now we're going into Shane's interior

00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.940
world, which is scored by Harrison, where everything

00:39:43.940 --> 00:39:47.380
slows down. It feels like... we're underwater

00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:50.400
along with Shane. Like time suspends, you know?

00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:52.900
Yeah. The thing that I really love is sort of

00:39:52.900 --> 00:39:55.880
the juxtaposition of the female voice, which

00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.260
is what Shane hears, but he cannot follow this.

00:39:58.460 --> 00:40:00.820
And then you have the male voice, which is what

00:40:00.820 --> 00:40:03.719
he ultimately follows, you know, Harrison's voice.

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.639
And you can see that in the way he is when he's

00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.320
dancing with Rose. There's something missing

00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.900
from this tableau. You know, Rose is kind of

00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:15.219
dancing up on him and he kind of bops half -heartedly

00:40:15.219 --> 00:40:17.780
along. and then the Harrison version comes on

00:40:17.780 --> 00:40:20.460
and then you see what's missing. Yep, yep. He

00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.699
sees Ilya. The Harrison version comes on. It

00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:26.380
just floods him. You know, they find each other

00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:28.119
across the club. He's like, I gotta go to the

00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.000
bathroom. He's not going to the bathroom. Not

00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.460
going to the bathroom. He like literally stands

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:36.539
there like still. Two steps away. Right. Like

00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:38.559
they find each other across the club. Lights

00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.659
flashing. Desires like suspended. None of this

00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:44.440
is subtle. None of this. As subtle as the tiger

00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.780
shirt. Right. If anybody was paying attention,

00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.559
they'd be like, something's going on with these

00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.329
two. Right. But it's not supposed to be subtle.

00:40:51.409 --> 00:40:53.469
Like, that's the whole point. Yeah. And then

00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:57.030
I feel like when that episode ended, I felt completely

00:40:57.030 --> 00:40:59.750
stripped down. I felt stripped down, but they

00:40:59.750 --> 00:41:01.690
were also completely stripped down. They were

00:41:01.690 --> 00:41:06.210
finally alone in their honest minds, facing their

00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:11.750
feelings for each other head on. That scene is

00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:16.030
not just good TV. It's a cinematic masterpiece.

00:41:16.289 --> 00:41:20.130
I will, on record, say while the show has a million

00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:23.849
perfect scenes, that one is mine. That scene

00:41:23.849 --> 00:41:28.170
is 100 % my favorite. I could rewatch it a million

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:30.289
times. I will never skip an edit with that scene.

00:41:31.349 --> 00:41:34.570
It's beloved by you and probably everyone else.

00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:38.809
I'm not alone. You're not alone in this. And

00:41:38.809 --> 00:41:41.829
kudos to that rendition, though, of Harrison's.

00:41:41.829 --> 00:41:44.809
And thank you so much for his. I want to thank

00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:47.070
him so much for his time, too. I know. And his

00:41:47.070 --> 00:41:50.449
background on how this all happened. That scene

00:41:50.449 --> 00:41:53.590
accomplished everything was set out to do. It

00:41:53.590 --> 00:41:56.530
was just stunning. Stunning. Really. Yeah. OK.

00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.460
All right. I mean, we could talk about this forever,

00:41:58.539 --> 00:42:00.880
but let's move on to episode five, right? Episode

00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.800
five begins with that pivotal scene with Rose

00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.579
and Shane. And Shane comes out to her, comes

00:42:09.579 --> 00:42:13.079
out to himself, actually. Two for one, right?

00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:18.159
Just like such a beautiful key moment. But right

00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.119
after that, we go to All -Star Weekend. So I'm

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.539
going to start there because the score there

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:26.329
is called Trembling. And I think it's... It's

00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:28.989
just really appropriately named because it feels

00:42:28.989 --> 00:42:32.130
trembling. And what I mean by that is it feels

00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:35.250
uneasy, but there's something of an element of

00:42:35.250 --> 00:42:37.650
hope to it. Like you're on the edge of something

00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:40.860
like the precipice. The edge of the unknown.

00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:43.119
You're trembling with anticipation. That's the

00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.019
bar scene, right? When Ilya like spots Shane.

00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.860
He's like, he's looking for him, obviously. He's

00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:51.320
looking for him. And then he spots him across

00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.260
the room, right? And then later we get this almost

00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:58.320
carefree sequence, the Hollanoff montage, right?

00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.739
At this point, Ilya knows Rose and Shane aren't

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:05.579
compatible. Not compatible. Not compatible. And

00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:09.119
so this score for this moment almost feels like

00:43:09.130 --> 00:43:12.809
like cheeky and joyful. It's perfect for Ilya

00:43:12.809 --> 00:43:16.449
in the pool with the kids, with the shark. So

00:43:16.449 --> 00:43:19.550
sweet. So sweet. And then they're playing hockey

00:43:19.550 --> 00:43:21.909
in this like really joyful way. Cause they're

00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:24.730
on the same team, you know, in all the ways.

00:43:25.170 --> 00:43:29.019
Yeah. On the helmet. Yeah, adorable, right? And

00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:32.400
so the score is actually a portmanteau, which

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.079
is like Rosanoff and Hollander, you know, together,

00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.260
Hollanoff. So it just feels like every way, very

00:43:38.260 --> 00:43:42.400
cheeky and wholesome. And then, and then it comes

00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.579
to a screeching halt and they're on the sand.

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.780
Yeah. That's when Ilya tells Shane, I looked

00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:50.800
up the word compatible. You and Rose are not

00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.380
compatible. Right. And like he like understands

00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:57.179
it. And then, you know, now Shane has more confidence

00:43:57.179 --> 00:43:58.940
because he's finally admitted to himself that

00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:03.320
he is, in fact, gay. Yes. And so he, you know,

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.860
came out to himself. And for the first time in

00:44:05.860 --> 00:44:09.679
the series, he asks Ilya, what is your room number?

00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.769
You know, I actually did not. even put that together

00:44:13.769 --> 00:44:16.829
that he's the one overtly asking the balls in

00:44:16.829 --> 00:44:19.789
his court oh my gosh Diana that is like such

00:44:19.789 --> 00:44:22.230
a little moment there like you could see it in

00:44:22.230 --> 00:44:24.230
his eyes too he like gulps you know he's like

00:44:24.230 --> 00:44:25.809
I'm gonna do this I'm gonna I'm definitely gonna

00:44:25.809 --> 00:44:27.489
do this like he totally like psyched himself

00:44:27.489 --> 00:44:30.329
up for it you know after running away from the

00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:33.050
tuna melt it was definitely on him and that my

00:44:33.050 --> 00:44:37.010
friends is when we get the final heartbeat for

00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:40.329
track the final heartbeat yeah the final heartbeat

00:44:40.329 --> 00:44:42.590
when Shane I don't want to say like confronts

00:44:42.590 --> 00:44:44.349
Ilya, but he definitely makes him talk about

00:44:44.349 --> 00:44:47.699
his feelings. And they say, you know, they say

00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:50.360
each other's first names again. Right. Like this

00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.139
time. Very intentionally. Yeah. Like very intentionally.

00:44:53.139 --> 00:44:55.800
Like goodbye, Shane. And then like Shane smiles

00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.760
because he like gets it. And he's like, goodbye,

00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.380
Ilya. You know, that's the scene where their

00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:02.780
feelings are solidified. Shane is like, I can't

00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:05.219
pretend I don't like you anymore. Like I like

00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:07.400
you a little too much. A little too much. And

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.980
that's when we hear that final music motif. Right.

00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.239
Oh, my gosh. Light motif. Right. There are no

00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.949
more. big milestones, I guess, outside of saying

00:45:16.949 --> 00:45:19.969
I love you, that are left to mark. So the Heartbeat

00:45:19.969 --> 00:45:22.210
series is finished. Yeah, they're moving to a

00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:25.429
different era. You know, it's this milestone

00:45:25.429 --> 00:45:29.949
and this is completing this era. It's the heartbeat

00:45:29.949 --> 00:45:33.010
of honesty. We should make t -shirts, Anusha.

00:45:33.050 --> 00:45:36.090
Yeah, the heartbeat of honesty. Yes, they have

00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:39.570
arrived. They have arrived. Anusha. I feel like

00:45:39.570 --> 00:45:40.809
we're speeding through this, but we're going

00:45:40.809 --> 00:45:43.289
to have to slow down. We are. Because the next

00:45:43.289 --> 00:45:45.550
thing we're going to talk about is the monologue.

00:45:45.789 --> 00:45:48.269
Yes. And that slows everybody down. That slows

00:45:48.269 --> 00:45:50.949
everyone down. Set to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata,

00:45:51.070 --> 00:45:55.309
which, by the way, diabolical. Okay. Diabolical

00:45:55.309 --> 00:45:58.409
to put Moonlight Sonata over that monologue.

00:45:58.570 --> 00:46:00.590
Oh, my God. Beautiful, diabolical, whatever.

00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:03.650
Everything. Everything. Everything. So I read

00:46:03.650 --> 00:46:06.320
that Beethoven. composed this when he was dealing

00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.980
with the death of his close friend and his own

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:11.900
deafness and this like unrequited love right

00:46:11.900 --> 00:46:14.760
it's actually like perfect everyone knows this

00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.239
piece which makes it actually a needle drop it's

00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.500
not part of the score absolutely everyone knows

00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:22.619
this piece and it's meant to devastate you like

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.039
it's meant to devastate you thank you Jacob Tierney

00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.480
for your work thank you Beethoven thank you Jacob

00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.869
it's such a powerful moment in a powerful way

00:46:31.869 --> 00:46:34.690
for Ilya to say I love you to Shane because Shane

00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:36.909
doesn't even know that's what's being said to

00:46:36.909 --> 00:46:40.150
him so it is we've said unrequited love and you

00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:42.389
know we know the love is requited at this point

00:46:42.389 --> 00:46:45.710
but it is one -sided at that moment you know

00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:48.869
it's it's it's Ilya finally saying it to Shane

00:46:48.869 --> 00:46:52.510
in Russian and Shane he's listening so intently

00:46:52.510 --> 00:46:55.869
um he closes his eyes we've talked about that

00:46:55.869 --> 00:46:58.289
um he doesn't understand the words he understands

00:46:58.289 --> 00:47:02.000
the feeling And the music becomes what Shane

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.639
can't hear or understand. The confession, the

00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.340
heartbreak, the love that Ilya is screaming in

00:47:07.340 --> 00:47:09.920
a language that Shane doesn't speak. Right. I

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.440
know. Another reason why it's such a good choice

00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.059
is because Beethoven is deeply loved in Russian

00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:17.280
classical culture, right? So it like roots Ilya

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.360
not only in his feelings for Shane and feelings

00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.280
for everything that's going on, but like also

00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.500
in his identity. I was reading that Peter, Peter

00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:27.900
and Tierney talked about like wanting to honor

00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:30.300
both characters' cultural backgrounds. So this

00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:32.579
moment does that pretty perfectly. Ilya is speaking

00:47:32.579 --> 00:47:35.420
in his, you know, mother tongue. both literally

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:39.139
and in Russian and like also like musically through

00:47:39.139 --> 00:47:41.639
like a cultural language through Beethoven. And

00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.739
Shane understands the emotion, like you said,

00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:45.719
even though like obviously he doesn't understand

00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.360
the words. Just love that these two pivotal moments

00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.460
and the needle drop music that is associated

00:47:52.460 --> 00:47:55.530
with them has such a deep. Russian connection

00:47:55.530 --> 00:47:59.630
yeah it just feels like a truly like Jacob and

00:47:59.630 --> 00:48:02.489
Peter Peter they just they're they're looking

00:48:02.489 --> 00:48:07.030
at this with such gentle hands and giving Ilya

00:48:07.030 --> 00:48:11.369
a space to explore his roots in a way and and

00:48:11.369 --> 00:48:13.650
the audience to explore the roots with him right

00:48:13.650 --> 00:48:16.730
it's just it's so beautiful and Moonlight Sonata

00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:19.210
is just a perfect description of that monologue

00:48:19.210 --> 00:48:23.079
it's like literally exactly what it is It's an

00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.780
ode to love, but also tragedy and heartbreak.

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:30.619
It's like the entire spectrum of human existence

00:48:30.619 --> 00:48:33.519
and emotion. that ilia is feeling i'm gonna say

00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:35.780
this like i didn't even like think about the

00:48:35.780 --> 00:48:37.860
fact that like both of those songs the all the

00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:39.599
things she said is originally in russian and

00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.360
beethoven is is very much loved in russian classical

00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.480
culture until you just said it for something

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.179
it didn't like click that like those songs were

00:48:47.179 --> 00:48:49.980
given to ilia by them right like they were literally

00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:52.460
given to him for the show because he can't communicate

00:48:52.460 --> 00:48:55.800
freely in english oh i love that isn't that beautiful

00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:59.230
I know. I just thought of it. You did. And guess

00:48:59.230 --> 00:49:01.809
what? I want to talk about since we're on this

00:49:01.809 --> 00:49:04.030
topic of moonlight. Yeah. I want to talk about

00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:07.610
having like revelations as these existential

00:49:07.610 --> 00:49:10.469
moments, you know. So like I want to talk about

00:49:10.469 --> 00:49:13.429
this theory that I read and I love and I wish

00:49:13.429 --> 00:49:16.530
I knew where it came from or who wrote it. So

00:49:16.530 --> 00:49:19.130
if you're if you're the person like, hey, like

00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:21.250
we want to credit you. We want to credit you.

00:49:21.289 --> 00:49:23.980
We really do. Because there's this theory of

00:49:23.980 --> 00:49:27.320
sunshine and moonlight. And I love it. Yes. I

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.340
remember you shared it with me and I was like,

00:49:29.380 --> 00:49:32.860
oh, my God, it's like such a thematic, like perfect

00:49:32.860 --> 00:49:35.679
exclamation point. Right. And, you know, I'm

00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:36.940
a little sad we didn't think of it ourselves.

00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.380
I know. But it's OK. Like that's what the little

00:49:39.380 --> 00:49:42.650
Internet's for. Little jealous, little sad. Okay,

00:49:42.650 --> 00:49:45.909
so Wolf Parade, I'll Believe in Anything, gave

00:49:45.909 --> 00:49:49.309
Scott and Kip sunlight. The public -facing, bright,

00:49:49.469 --> 00:49:53.130
visible aspect of love that they earned and deserve.

00:49:53.869 --> 00:49:57.690
This was hard -earned, and it shouldn't have

00:49:57.690 --> 00:50:02.510
been. But you hear it all in the songs in reference

00:50:02.510 --> 00:50:05.949
to their relationship and sunlight. Wolf Parade,

00:50:05.969 --> 00:50:09.309
Lumiere, all of it. There's a thematic connection

00:50:09.309 --> 00:50:12.730
there. Which is different, you know, than, than,

00:50:12.809 --> 00:50:15.309
and then. Right. Cause Scott and Kip get sunlight

00:50:15.309 --> 00:50:17.880
or right. Sunlight. Their love happens where

00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.099
people can see it now. Right. And Shane and Ilya

00:50:21.099 --> 00:50:23.800
get moonlight. Yeah. I mean, it's beautiful,

00:50:24.019 --> 00:50:27.260
but it's not it's very much, you know, out of

00:50:27.260 --> 00:50:29.539
the public eye. Right. Exactly. Like quieter,

00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:33.019
softer. And not because like what they have is

00:50:33.019 --> 00:50:36.199
less real. Right. And what Scott and Kip have.

00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.920
But because it's like much more protected, you

00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.260
know, moonlight only exists when sun goes away.

00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.039
So the moon doesn't like generate its own light.

00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.690
It reflects what's already there. that's how

00:50:46.690 --> 00:50:49.550
their relationship works right like shane shane

00:50:49.550 --> 00:50:52.869
regulates in the dark he needs quiet he needs

00:50:52.869 --> 00:50:55.530
predictive predictability he's constantly trying

00:50:55.530 --> 00:50:57.670
to turn off the lights wherever you know whenever

00:50:57.670 --> 00:50:59.449
they're together even at the end he's trying

00:50:59.449 --> 00:51:02.469
to pull the curtains down that's so funny i yeah

00:51:02.469 --> 00:51:05.329
he is i'm putting it together yeah yeah because

00:51:05.329 --> 00:51:07.530
like the world in the daylight is like too loud

00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:10.429
too exposed for him right and he's so he carries

00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:12.969
so much shame with what's going on right yeah

00:51:12.969 --> 00:51:16.230
but at night behind closed doors when the lights

00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:18.730
are off, like he can finally settle into himself

00:51:18.730 --> 00:51:23.639
and Ilya becomes his moon. My moon, my man. Exactly.

00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:28.099
He learns to reflect instead of overwhelm. He

00:51:28.099 --> 00:51:31.079
slows him down. He grounds Shane. He doesn't

00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.000
force brightness, right? Because it might hurt

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.000
and he understands that. You know, their love

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.820
is just like in these hotel rooms. It's in texts.

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.960
It's in midnight calls. And it's where they can

00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.460
finally sort of exhale. And they actually learn

00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:48.000
to be themselves. I mean, they didn't learn.

00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.380
They weren't like that from the beginning. This

00:51:50.380 --> 00:51:53.260
is a process of learning, you know. Yeah, exactly.

00:51:53.380 --> 00:51:56.119
So I know I said my moon, my band in quoting

00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.739
the title of the fight song, you know, combine

00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:02.519
that with that music in the earlier montage.

00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.500
And you could see how completely interconnected

00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:08.960
it all is, because this is why we have episode

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.440
three. Right. You know, this is why we're had

00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.139
we had Scott and Kip's story here. The sunshine

00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:19.139
is here because Scott's coming out is integral

00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:23.139
to Ilya and Shane's story. You know. Shane and

00:52:23.139 --> 00:52:27.420
Ilya's love exists in... moonlight but at the

00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:30.340
end it's allowed to be reflected outwards because

00:52:30.340 --> 00:52:32.960
of Scott's courage and Kip's courage too they're

00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.940
seeing what's possible because he went first

00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.619
right because and think about it like he's doing

00:52:38.619 --> 00:52:41.860
this in the arena full of light and they're watching

00:52:41.860 --> 00:52:45.099
it at home in pretty much darkness as well you

00:52:45.099 --> 00:52:47.199
know like I see that juxtaposition is pretty

00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.940
awesome too kudos again to the fan who brought

00:52:49.940 --> 00:52:52.659
us this theory because once you see it you can't

00:52:52.659 --> 00:52:55.539
unsee it and of course we like took it and with

00:52:55.539 --> 00:52:57.679
it and we're like let's talk about it more and

00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.980
analyze it even more because like once i saw

00:52:59.980 --> 00:53:02.159
it i started connecting all the pieces like this

00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.219
is true fandom man like it also and it's also

00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:08.320
literary analysis and this is our thesis yes

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.619
this is the grad school of heated rivalry welcome

00:53:11.619 --> 00:53:14.260
welcome okay so so we have to finish this episode

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:17.639
so at the end we get wolf parade again i'll believe

00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.559
in anything the ultimate needle drop Yep, yep.

00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.679
It's like the club scene at the episode four

00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.119
where you have all the feelings and all the emotions,

00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:27.219
right? Right. Scott and Kip's story comes back.

00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:29.099
We hear the song that started at the beginning

00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:31.219
of episode three. And now we're seeing it in

00:53:31.219 --> 00:53:33.860
episode five, the pinnacle of the needle drop,

00:53:33.940 --> 00:53:36.559
seeing the coming out, seeing Shane and Aaliyah's

00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.480
faces. You know, that song has sunshine. being

00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.659
sated over and over again so many times you know

00:53:43.659 --> 00:53:46.199
it's like the most key word in that whole song

00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:48.579
it's like pouring it over our heads but in the

00:53:48.579 --> 00:53:51.719
best way because at this moment we've all deserve

00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.880
you know the audience scott kip they deserve

00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.820
this sunshine so that like life motif is completely

00:53:58.820 --> 00:54:01.579
cemented you know you got hints throughout and

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:04.579
here we are This earned moment of sunshine. Deep

00:54:04.579 --> 00:54:07.400
breath, Anusha. We're almost there. Okay. We

00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:11.300
are. Episode six starts with obviously Scott's

00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:14.300
speech. But then when we see Ilya and Shane again

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:16.300
for the first time, you know, in that episode,

00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.219
we hear trembling again. Same score as we heard

00:54:20.219 --> 00:54:22.639
at the beginning of the all -star game. Because

00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.639
now we're in a new kind of unknown, a completely

00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:28.360
uncharted territory, right? Like they're going

00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.639
to get to the cottage and they've never been.

00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:34.480
alone for two weeks but immediately it subdues

00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.380
as soon as ilia gets in the car it starts like

00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:37.880
making jokes because that's what he does then

00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.059
the drive to the cottage another french song

00:54:40.059 --> 00:54:42.440
it's about like happy days and like letting go

00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:44.559
of all your worries and finding joys and simple

00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.599
moments which is so sweet right because that's

00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.019
kind of what they're gonna it's the perfect moment

00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.420
for that song because they're finally relaxing

00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:54.239
together they're finally relaxing together yep

00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.139
then there's no music for 20 minutes in a show

00:54:57.139 --> 00:55:00.300
that has used music to communicate everything

00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:04.650
You get 20 minutes of just them. Talking, hugging,

00:55:05.010 --> 00:55:07.769
being affectionate, no music, no score of any

00:55:07.769 --> 00:55:10.250
kind. That's right. We alluded to this before

00:55:10.250 --> 00:55:13.670
that Peter said not knowing when to score is

00:55:13.670 --> 00:55:17.250
as important as knowing when to score. And I

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:20.369
feel like the cottage moments are unscored because

00:55:20.369 --> 00:55:23.510
this is a protected space where they can actually

00:55:23.510 --> 00:55:26.349
say what they mean, right? The music can finally

00:55:26.349 --> 00:55:30.429
step back and it steps back in a big way. And

00:55:30.429 --> 00:55:32.889
the characters do the work without that emotional.

00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.260
guide. And you know, the audience gets to hear

00:55:35.260 --> 00:55:37.599
that too. Well, we've earned that silence. Okay.

00:55:37.659 --> 00:55:40.320
It's the payoff for, for being here the whole

00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.320
time. Exactly, exactly. It starts when Shane

00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.900
says, for the next two weeks, can we just try

00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:48.219
to be honest about our feelings and what we're

00:55:48.219 --> 00:55:50.579
thinking? Then Ilya's like, I will fucking do

00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:53.159
anything if you let me touch your dick. Like,

00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.320
I will do anything. Which was honest. It was

00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.139
incredibly honest to say. So honest, so honest.

00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.579
And then after all that silence, we get the I

00:56:01.579 --> 00:56:07.480
love you. First in Russian. And then in English.

00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.190
And guess what song? And guess what song starts

00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:14.409
playing? One soul. Remember two souls? At the

00:56:14.409 --> 00:56:18.130
end of episode one on the rooftop, now we get

00:56:18.130 --> 00:56:21.329
one soul. The two souls are now connected. We

00:56:21.329 --> 00:56:24.289
knew the string. The string is finally completely

00:56:24.289 --> 00:56:27.989
in place. I love the string. The string has pulled

00:56:27.989 --> 00:56:30.929
all the way through. One soul starts playing

00:56:30.929 --> 00:56:33.630
during the sunset. We come full circle from the

00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:36.750
terrace in episode one. We get them in this moment

00:56:36.750 --> 00:56:39.889
when they're making love. Shane says, did we

00:56:39.889 --> 00:56:43.449
let this happen? Ilya responds with, we were

00:56:43.449 --> 00:56:45.829
both stupid and irresponsible. And then, you

00:56:45.829 --> 00:56:47.309
know, Shane is like, but this is real, right?

00:56:47.389 --> 00:56:49.789
And Ilya nods, one soul, one soul. One soul.

00:56:50.190 --> 00:56:52.409
I feel like this is a marathon episode, right?

00:56:52.550 --> 00:56:57.030
So the credit scenes, bad things by Kaelin Russo

00:56:57.030 --> 00:57:00.909
feels really romantic and some high energy. Totally.

00:57:00.929 --> 00:57:04.429
And it feels like it's an open door into season

00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:07.369
two. Tyranny said he wanted there to be joy at

00:57:07.369 --> 00:57:10.329
the end of the show. But also, really grounded

00:57:10.329 --> 00:57:12.469
in the fact that although it's romantic, it's

00:57:12.469 --> 00:57:15.230
still a risky moment for the two of them, right?

00:57:15.289 --> 00:57:20.230
And it felt like that song, Bad Things, really,

00:57:20.309 --> 00:57:23.730
really stayed true to the essence of the story.

00:57:23.889 --> 00:57:26.150
You know, the romance, the riskiness, it's a

00:57:26.150 --> 00:57:29.010
little horny, you know, at baseline, the show.

00:57:29.789 --> 00:57:32.570
And it feels like an open book, like you're ready

00:57:32.570 --> 00:57:35.309
to head out into the next chapter from two souls

00:57:35.309 --> 00:57:37.630
to one soul to question mark. The reason the

00:57:37.630 --> 00:57:40.070
soundtrack works well is because Tierney pulled

00:57:40.070 --> 00:57:42.329
from his own memories, his own 20s. The authenticity

00:57:42.329 --> 00:57:45.730
comes through right away, right? I am not a music

00:57:45.730 --> 00:57:49.409
critic, but something this score does is create

00:57:49.409 --> 00:57:53.789
nuance, that word nuance again. It just resonates

00:57:53.789 --> 00:57:56.429
so well because it works with the story and you

00:57:56.429 --> 00:57:58.489
can see all the thought that went through crafting

00:57:58.489 --> 00:58:01.820
it. Crafting this score, crafting the needle

00:58:01.820 --> 00:58:05.539
drops from the first track. And so now when you

00:58:05.539 --> 00:58:09.659
hear it, the music, the soundtrack from first

00:58:09.659 --> 00:58:12.119
track to the end, you can hear the story. Like

00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.820
now I can actually picture it with the music.

00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.360
Right. I listen to it all the time. I drive to

00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.780
it. I cook to it. I do laundry to it. Soundtrack

00:58:19.780 --> 00:58:22.420
wasn't assembled. It was remembered. It's personal

00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:25.260
and it's intentional. So and it trusts like the

00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:27.739
music to carry the meaning when words fail. Yep.

00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.599
That's the whole point. It's the whole point

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.800
of that soundtrack. And I love doing this episode.

00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:34.360
Honestly, I really enjoyed researching this one

00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.159
because it brought me back to like my college

00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.300
days. You did a great job. I did. I majored in

00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:41.719
film and TV. So I had to do a lot of music and

00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:44.159
score analysis, you know, back then. This was

00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.780
a long time ago. Back then. But it was feel it

00:58:46.780 --> 00:58:48.960
felt good to like use my brain in that way again,

00:58:49.059 --> 00:58:51.429
you know, so I really enjoyed that. Yeah. And

00:58:51.429 --> 00:58:53.550
that's what heated rivalry does for us, you know,

00:58:53.550 --> 00:58:56.670
and probably for all a lot of listeners out there

00:58:56.670 --> 00:58:58.409
and a lot of people watching the show. It gives

00:58:58.409 --> 00:59:02.349
us joy. So here we are. Here we are. Yeah. OK,

00:59:02.510 --> 00:59:05.250
we've arrived at our moment of sunshine. And

00:59:05.250 --> 00:59:08.670
clearly this interview with Harrison obviously

00:59:08.670 --> 00:59:11.010
is the moment of sunshine for this week. For

00:59:11.010 --> 00:59:13.489
me, too. For me, too. I will do a quick plug,

00:59:13.489 --> 00:59:17.760
though. I did ask our listeners on threads to

00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.039
tell me the songs that aren't on the soundtrack,

00:59:20.139 --> 00:59:22.860
but reminded them of heated rivalry. A ton of

00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:25.579
people responded. So I put all of those songs

00:59:25.579 --> 00:59:28.500
into one playlist on Spotify called the loon

00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:32.610
collective. You'll see it. Thanks. It has like

00:59:32.610 --> 00:59:35.590
our cover page. Everyone Deserves Sunshine. And

00:59:35.590 --> 00:59:37.469
thank you to all our listeners because I think

00:59:37.469 --> 00:59:39.730
we have like over 200 songs on there. You helped

00:59:39.730 --> 00:59:42.210
us create this. Go ahead and find it on Spotify.

00:59:42.309 --> 00:59:44.630
Download it. Take it. It's yours. Enjoy it. Have

00:59:44.630 --> 00:59:47.809
fun. Thank you, listeners. And you're doing exactly

00:59:47.809 --> 00:59:50.489
what the show is meant to do. Connect all of

00:59:50.489 --> 00:59:53.250
us. Yeah. Next week on Everyone Deserves Sunshine,

00:59:53.489 --> 00:59:56.769
we're talking about anti -dystopia. Anti -dystopia.

00:59:56.769 --> 00:59:59.789
Well, that's a perfect conversation to have at

00:59:59.789 --> 01:00:02.949
this moment. of this hellscape but but to be

01:00:02.949 --> 01:00:05.949
honest it's the anti -dystopia so we will be

01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:08.269
looking at it from the lens of joy it will be

01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:11.090
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