WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.140 Welcome to Everyone Deserves Sunshine. I'm Diana. 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.019 And I'm Anusha. We're the Girls in the Crease. 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:08.500 Diana, we have listener questions. Oh, that's 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:11.339 exciting. Okay, let's go. I know, very, very 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:14.380 exciting. Okay, so this one's about why exactly 00:00:14.380 --> 00:00:16.960 are we calling ourselves Girls in the Crease? 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.620 I would like to know this as well. Oh, it is 00:00:19.620 --> 00:00:22.660 in fact a hockey reference. As a hockey expert, 00:00:22.940 --> 00:00:26.170 maybe, maybe of two weeks, of two weeks. So anyway, 00:00:26.370 --> 00:00:29.510 the crease in hockey refers to the goal crease, 00:00:29.629 --> 00:00:32.149 which is sort of a semicircle in front of the 00:00:32.149 --> 00:00:34.710 goalie. It's a very protective space. It's a 00:00:34.710 --> 00:00:36.570 safe space. It's a safe space. Just like this 00:00:36.570 --> 00:00:39.689 podcast. And just like us. We're a safe space. 00:00:39.909 --> 00:00:42.590 There you go. So there we are, listeners, for 00:00:42.590 --> 00:00:45.329 your curiosity. Well, thanks for the hockey trivia. 00:00:45.350 --> 00:00:48.210 I know. Should we fucking go on with the show? 00:00:48.630 --> 00:00:52.320 Love it. Okay, so this is episode two. The girls 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.939 in the crease take on masculinity. I feel like 00:00:55.939 --> 00:00:58.659 a little social lubrication is needed before 00:00:58.659 --> 00:01:01.399 we take on this pretty heavy topic. A new show. 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.019 Should we get the lube going? We absolutely should, 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.159 yes. Okay, so what have you been doing with yourself 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:12.159 this week? Well, I've been doing a lot. In addition 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.219 to living in the cottage, as I do, as you know 00:01:14.219 --> 00:01:16.599 from last time. You'll never believe this, but... 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.680 I went to a hockey game on Monday night. First 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.140 ever. Flyers. Flyers. So Flyers had their Pride 00:01:23.140 --> 00:01:25.959 night on Monday night. I love that. I know. I'm 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.840 really excited. I said to one of my friends, 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.900 or our friend, I guess. I really want to go to 00:01:31.900 --> 00:01:34.340 this hockey game. I feel like that would be the 00:01:34.340 --> 00:01:37.799 best way for me to like start, you know, to dip 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:41.340 my toes into the world of hockey, which I am 00:01:41.340 --> 00:01:44.019 now very interested in. You're very interested 00:01:44.019 --> 00:01:46.620 in hockey. Correct. So our friend, I keep saying 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:49.140 mine, but he is our friend, took me to the hockey 00:01:49.140 --> 00:01:51.500 game. He's lovely. And he gave me the entire 00:01:51.500 --> 00:01:55.060 experience. We got hot dogs. We got beer. He 00:01:55.060 --> 00:01:58.840 even took me to the customer service desk to 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:00.420 get me one of those certificates. Certificates 00:02:00.420 --> 00:02:02.879 that says like first game ever. So like a like 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.959 a small child minus the beer. Correct. Pretty 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.259 much. So me and all the small children, so I 00:02:09.259 --> 00:02:12.000 had, so I and all the small children had this 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.219 certificate. I will frame it as my favorite ever. 00:02:14.219 --> 00:02:16.319 Are you going to color it with crayons? Yes, 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.360 as probably all the other children did. As the 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:20.620 other children would. So it was really, it was 00:02:20.620 --> 00:02:23.060 actually a lot of fun. Like I had the best time. 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:24.599 At one point I turned around to him, is this 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:26.539 how like every hockey game is? And he's like, 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.080 kind of, pretty much. It's a lot of excitement, 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.979 a lot of energy, lots of great music. And guess 00:02:31.979 --> 00:02:34.560 what they played? What? All the things she said. 00:02:34.939 --> 00:02:37.740 Stop. Yep. That tattoo version or the Harrison 00:02:37.740 --> 00:02:39.719 version? The tattoo version. And it was awesome 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:41.280 because then they, as they were playing the song, 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.520 they showed the kiss cam and two beautiful women 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.740 kissed. And it was the best part. Did everyone 00:02:45.740 --> 00:02:48.180 go crazy? Everyone went crazy. It was so awesome. 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:50.939 Did everyone seemingly recognize the reference? 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:55.360 Oh, well, so I wore a I'm coming to the cottage 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:58.120 shirt. So not a Flyers shirt. Well, I don't own 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.740 Flyers gear because again, first game. Next to 00:03:01.740 --> 00:03:06.439 me, or next to us, two women sat who wore the 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.280 Rosanoff shirts, the one that Ilya wears in episode 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.599 six to go talk to the parents. And so I walked 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.379 by at one of the intermissions. I think that's 00:03:15.379 --> 00:03:16.979 what they're called, intermissions. Are they? 00:03:17.020 --> 00:03:19.080 I want to say yes. Is it like an opera house? 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.960 Listeners, please let us know. I think it's called 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.460 intermission. I walked by them and like I opened 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:26.800 my hoodie so they could see my shirt. And then 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.759 I looked at their shirt and I was like, I like 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.879 your shirt. So we had a moment. We had a moment. 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.439 We were all so excited. There was a lot of people 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.979 there from Heated Rivalry. I am not shocked at 00:03:35.979 --> 00:03:38.939 all about this. I mean, you really did go for 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:41.400 this reason. I mean, it was inspiring. Heated 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.639 Rivalry inspired you to go to your first hockey 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.699 game. Correct. Exactly. You know, my entire Insta 00:03:46.699 --> 00:03:49.500 feed is just actually has transitioned from Heated 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.479 Rivalry. to just real life hockey. Do you like 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.939 that? Honestly, I'm having trouble differentiating. 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.979 So I saw this fight scene. I mean, is it called 00:03:59.979 --> 00:04:03.840 a scene? I don't know. Intermission scene. You 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.800 know, we're doing our thing. It's like kind of 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.379 very cinematic. But okay, so there's this fight 00:04:08.379 --> 00:04:11.379 and this guy, he just licks the stripe up the 00:04:11.379 --> 00:04:14.240 other player's neck. I was like, I mean, that 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.220 was like a very sexy lick. But they were fighting. 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:21.280 But they were fighting. I was just, Stunned. 00:04:21.280 --> 00:04:24.819 Stunned. And then, you know, the groin stretch? 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.060 Yeah, yeah. I saw those. That is not a real move, 00:04:28.139 --> 00:04:30.100 but it is a real move. It is a real move. I'm 00:04:30.100 --> 00:04:32.740 like, come on. I mean, what the heck? What are 00:04:32.740 --> 00:04:34.920 you doing to us? Yeah. What are you doing to 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.180 us? Seriously. So, you went to your first Flyers 00:04:39.180 --> 00:04:42.750 game. That's probably... A good segue. You like 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:45.670 it? Yeah, let's do it. Nice work. Enough lube. 00:04:47.069 --> 00:04:50.089 We're prepped. We're prepped. Let's go. We're 00:04:50.089 --> 00:04:53.430 ready to do this. We're ready. Okay. So, you 00:04:53.430 --> 00:04:57.350 know, this is a, I had a really hard time. Not 00:04:57.350 --> 00:04:59.290 a hard time. I really wanted to do this topic 00:04:59.290 --> 00:05:02.629 justice because, I mean. Who better to talk about 00:05:02.629 --> 00:05:04.990 masculinity than two women, I guess? You know, 00:05:04.990 --> 00:05:08.189 but right, exactly. But I mean, men make decisions 00:05:08.189 --> 00:05:12.610 for us all the time. So we're impacted by masculinity 00:05:12.610 --> 00:05:15.649 on a daily basis, right? So if you think about 00:05:15.649 --> 00:05:19.209 hockey, there's just a lot of these stereotypes 00:05:19.209 --> 00:05:23.009 or archetypes of, you know, traditional masculinity, 00:05:23.389 --> 00:05:26.720 right? Like what I mean by that is. Ilya and 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.759 Shane and Scott and all the other players, they're 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.459 functioning in this hyper -masculine professional 00:05:33.459 --> 00:05:37.319 sports environment. You're talking about a lot 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.300 of toughness, aggression, being very stoic, being 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:44.439 physically dominant, right? I mean, hockey's 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.199 known for fighting. And another hockey fact I've 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.199 learned, there's actually a position called the 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.019 enforcer, right? And it's exactly what it is. 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.839 They intimidate. The opposition. This is the 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.019 game. I feel like I would be an enforcer. You 00:05:58.019 --> 00:06:02.300 would 100%. That's the only position you would 00:06:02.300 --> 00:06:04.480 play. You would just body check everyone at all 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:06.240 times. I would love that. That is my dream job. 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:10.459 That's you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I love it. Sign 00:06:10.459 --> 00:06:15.399 me up. But you know what? I think that sort of 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.740 environment translates off the ice too. So you 00:06:18.740 --> 00:06:22.040 have this kind of bro culture. And I don't want 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.439 to mix the masculinity. layer theme with the 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.980 kind of queer experience layer but I think in 00:06:28.980 --> 00:06:31.439 heated rivalry they're kind of related right 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.379 because you have all this locker room talk you 00:06:34.379 --> 00:06:36.920 could say that's just like shit talking or chirping 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:41.810 or whatever but it feels like The sort of subtle 00:06:41.810 --> 00:06:44.589 homophobia is just totally just baked it, even 00:06:44.589 --> 00:06:47.189 in Canada. And you can talk a little bit more 00:06:47.189 --> 00:06:48.810 about sort of the Russian background. I'm going 00:06:48.810 --> 00:06:50.470 to leave that to you because I think you'll do 00:06:50.470 --> 00:06:52.850 it justice. For example, like one of the players 00:06:52.850 --> 00:06:56.389 calls Ilya a cocksucker. Even Yuna in that scene 00:06:56.389 --> 00:06:58.110 in the restaurant, you know, there are many scenes 00:06:58.110 --> 00:06:59.769 in the restaurant with David and Yuna. Yeah. 00:06:59.870 --> 00:07:04.379 But the one. After their first time they had 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:08.040 sex. And she says something like, you know, and 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:12.019 Shane's explaining YouTube. And you've realized 00:07:12.019 --> 00:07:15.040 this is happening years in the past. And like 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:19.100 nobody knows quite what YouTube is yet. And the 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:21.850 video is about. Ilya scoring, what, 50 goals? 00:07:22.129 --> 00:07:25.350 What does he say? Nice. No, because they asked 00:07:25.350 --> 00:07:27.889 him about 40 goals. Yeah, and he's like, it's 00:07:27.889 --> 00:07:30.649 a lie. Liar told you that. I love that line. 00:07:30.709 --> 00:07:33.649 It's amazing. And she says, Yuna says something 00:07:33.649 --> 00:07:36.449 like, fuck him up the ass. And Shane's just kind 00:07:36.449 --> 00:07:40.829 of like, he's like choking. But it's also kind 00:07:40.829 --> 00:07:43.129 of like, okay, you're just using these terms 00:07:43.129 --> 00:07:45.589 and these phrases freely, right? Freely, yeah. 00:07:45.629 --> 00:07:47.529 But the thing is, the people who participate 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:49.790 in this, they're not. bad people they're just 00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:52.529 kind of a product of the environment and I think 00:07:52.529 --> 00:07:55.230 the show does a really good job of setting the 00:07:55.230 --> 00:07:57.870 stage of why Shane and Ilya are the way they 00:07:57.870 --> 00:08:01.990 are and why it took them so long to come to terms 00:08:01.990 --> 00:08:04.009 with their relationship and their ability to 00:08:04.009 --> 00:08:07.199 be authentic right but Even that being said, 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.139 when they're in their own world, in their hotel 00:08:09.139 --> 00:08:13.300 room, in the condo, in the cottage, they learn 00:08:13.300 --> 00:08:15.879 to transcend these boundaries of what it means 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:19.600 to be a man. You can be this sporty, aggressive 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.720 hockey player and still be this vulnerable person 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.360 who loves another man. You can have confidence, 00:08:25.420 --> 00:08:28.420 but not this toxic bravado that we associate 00:08:28.420 --> 00:08:32.299 with toxic masculinity. And I just think that 00:08:32.299 --> 00:08:36.419 the show does such a good job showing. how we 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:39.860 have to slowly break these rigid rules of what 00:08:39.860 --> 00:08:42.399 it means to be a man. Right. That was a lot. 00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:45.120 I had a lot of opinions. You did. Wait until 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.840 I get going. Oh, I'm ready for you, girl. So 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:52.159 I asked our listeners on threads, I asked them, 00:08:52.220 --> 00:08:55.200 what do you think about masculinity and the way 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.720 it's portrayed in the show? And one of our listeners, 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:01.379 also our friend, also said, and I quote, masculinity 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:04.759 isn't physical strength. It's strength of character. 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.759 Both Ilya and Shane are very competitive still. 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.700 They are the captains of their teams. They are 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:13.460 high performers. One and two all the time. Right? 00:09:13.539 --> 00:09:16.559 And so you think about it, like how are they 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:19.220 portraying what it means to display good and 00:09:19.220 --> 00:09:21.639 healthy masculinity? There's the softness, the 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.799 caretaking, the tenderness. There's the emotional 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:27.220 courage, the honesty. And then there's something 00:09:27.220 --> 00:09:30.299 like called emotional responsibility to one another, 00:09:30.460 --> 00:09:36.190 which we don't see often in traditional. masculinity, 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:38.429 whether we want to call it toxic or not, right? 00:09:38.590 --> 00:09:40.950 Like, just even when it's not toxic, we don't 00:09:40.950 --> 00:09:43.389 see a lot of this thing, a lot of this type of 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:46.309 masculinity in our culture and society and all 00:09:46.309 --> 00:09:50.169 of the media that we consume. Ilya and Shane 00:09:50.169 --> 00:09:52.370 display that, granted, in the beginning, it's 00:09:52.370 --> 00:09:55.590 not as much. Like, you don't see it as much, 00:09:55.629 --> 00:09:57.250 even though you do. Like, in the very beginning, 00:09:57.350 --> 00:10:00.889 like, Ilya very quickly clocks that Shane is 00:10:00.889 --> 00:10:04.470 sensitive and that he has you know the he could 00:10:04.470 --> 00:10:06.710 have a panic attack and so there's a lot of care 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:09.710 with like Ilya does care about Shane in some 00:10:09.710 --> 00:10:14.090 ways and he shows him affection with his words 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:17.710 and his you know gestures and and his physicality 00:10:17.710 --> 00:10:23.279 even right but if you remember that The episode 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.019 for the Tuna Melt episode. Tuna Melt. The Tuna 00:10:26.019 --> 00:10:28.559 Melt episode. Heartbreak. The heartbreakiest, 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.480 breakiest episode ever. I just, I cry every single 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:34.539 time I see that episode. But that episode is 00:10:34.539 --> 00:10:37.059 truly one of the pivotal moments where A, their 00:10:37.059 --> 00:10:40.779 relationship shifts. And B, they start showing 00:10:40.779 --> 00:10:44.200 a lot of this like emotional responsibility to 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.159 one another. Really? Which we don't see displayed. 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:47.980 The Tuna Melt episode. The Tuna Melt episode. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.879 Even though like. They broke each other's, like, 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:52.919 heart a little bit. They did. They broke each 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.360 other's heart a lot. But prior to that, when 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.580 Shane is at his house, first of all, when Ilya 00:10:58.580 --> 00:11:01.500 says stay for the first time, he says stay. And 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:03.419 Shane's like, I can't. I told, you know, Hayden 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:06.059 I'll be home. Hayden's your mother? Yeah, Hayden's 00:11:06.059 --> 00:11:08.460 your mother. Like, who cares what you told Hayden? 00:11:08.580 --> 00:11:11.299 So that's the first time they really are very 00:11:11.299 --> 00:11:14.240 close to each other. And they show emotional 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.460 vulnerability, right? Like, for Ilya to have 00:11:16.460 --> 00:11:19.399 asked them to stay, that's Ilya final. like opening 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.700 up a little bit, right? And then when Shane, 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.639 when Ilya gets the phone call from his dad and 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:27.340 then, you know, he calls his brother, that really 00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:30.100 distressing phone call, Ilya does not want to 00:11:30.100 --> 00:11:32.679 share that part of him with Shane. It's, you 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.000 know, Ilya is a very closed off person. He was 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.580 raised in a very toxic environment, in a place 00:11:39.580 --> 00:11:42.240 with not much love and not much care and not 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.879 much emotional intelligence and availability. 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.340 He wasn't allowed to show his emotions. I can 00:11:48.340 --> 00:11:50.659 say that that's very true for a lot of Russian 00:11:50.659 --> 00:11:53.679 men and how they grow up, not to mention he's 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.399 a star player, right? So there's a lot of that. 00:11:56.500 --> 00:11:59.220 But so Ilya does try to hide that part of himself 00:11:59.220 --> 00:12:02.200 because I think he has shame in how he feels. 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.919 But finally, when Shane looks at him and says, 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.059 how's your dad? And Ilya's like, what, you speak 00:12:07.059 --> 00:12:09.000 Russian now, you know? And he tries to make a 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.200 joke, as Ilya does, because that's self -protection, 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.200 right? And deflection, and he protects himself 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.620 with the way he talks to Shane a lot. And then 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:18.070 in that moment, you could see Ilya. kind of churn 00:12:18.070 --> 00:12:20.950 and he realized that that Shane is a safe person 00:12:20.950 --> 00:12:23.389 for him and he's been testing that out the whole 00:12:23.389 --> 00:12:25.230 time because he's never really had many safe 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:27.370 people in his life except for like Svetlana right 00:12:27.370 --> 00:12:30.370 and she's the only one he's had after his mom 00:12:30.370 --> 00:12:33.250 died yeah and so when Shane asks him like is 00:12:33.250 --> 00:12:35.429 your dad okay and then instead of just kind of 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:38.870 like answering him Ilya takes him and like hugs 00:12:38.870 --> 00:12:41.610 him and like puts him on his chest that is Shane's 00:12:41.610 --> 00:12:45.429 emotional responsibility to Ilya and then Ilya 00:12:45.429 --> 00:12:48.950 responds to that by like showing this like emotional 00:12:48.950 --> 00:12:52.429 courage and tenderness towards Shane you know 00:12:52.429 --> 00:12:55.250 what's so interesting that you say because you 00:12:55.250 --> 00:12:57.769 say they show a lot of emotional responsibility 00:12:57.769 --> 00:13:01.210 and I think they're very poor communicators I 00:13:01.210 --> 00:13:03.990 mean like verbally they're very poor communicators 00:13:03.990 --> 00:13:06.129 what I feel is really interesting about what 00:13:06.129 --> 00:13:09.370 you said about sort of how they take care of 00:13:09.370 --> 00:13:13.019 each other especially the gesture that you mentioned 00:13:13.019 --> 00:13:15.379 where he puts him on his chest after he talks 00:13:15.379 --> 00:13:19.100 about his dad, is that this sport, as we said, 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.919 is just this like physically dominant, aggressive 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:26.309 sport. And while they have. a very difficult 00:13:26.309 --> 00:13:29.049 time communicating until, you know, they kind 00:13:29.049 --> 00:13:31.669 of get to the cottage and, you know, that line, 00:13:31.669 --> 00:13:34.190 which I love, for the next two weeks, can we 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:37.409 just try to be honest with what we think and 00:13:37.409 --> 00:13:38.769 what we feel? And that's like vulnerability, 00:13:39.129 --> 00:13:41.190 right? But they had to be so explicit. Like, 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:43.789 you're like, after 10 years, you're saying this 00:13:43.789 --> 00:13:45.909 to yourself. Guys, like, let's get to it. I mean, 00:13:45.909 --> 00:13:48.009 they're still boys at the end of the day. Right, 00:13:48.009 --> 00:13:52.529 they're still boys. But they use the, like, physicality. 00:13:52.970 --> 00:13:55.669 in the rink, their physicality there, which is 00:13:55.669 --> 00:13:59.629 used for aggression. And then how they use their 00:13:59.629 --> 00:14:02.830 own physical bodies to provide comfort in their 00:14:02.830 --> 00:14:06.049 private sphere is just so, that juxtaposition 00:14:06.049 --> 00:14:09.110 is really stunning. It just shows that you can 00:14:09.110 --> 00:14:12.809 use different aspects of what it means to be 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:16.090 masculine. And it doesn't have to be this like 00:14:16.090 --> 00:14:19.009 strict little box, you know? I agree. I think 00:14:19.009 --> 00:14:23.820 some of Ilya's initial conversations and how 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:26.220 he talks to Shane and how he treats Shane can 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:30.179 be seen as red flags, especially in Western culture. 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.220 I think it's important for us to kind of look 00:14:33.220 --> 00:14:36.480 at Ilya from not a Western point of view and 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.240 like give him a little bit of the benefit of 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.000 the doubt. Because like Ilya, despite the fact 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.559 that he is like, you know, a star athlete propped 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:48.120 up by Putin's Kremlin, he still shows so much 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.799 positive. masculinity in so many different ways. 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.320 You know, he consistently asks for consent. He 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.500 consistently checks in. He respects Shane's boundaries 00:14:58.500 --> 00:15:01.919 so often and he de -escalates Shane. Like he 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.879 knows that Shane needs that from him and he gives 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.799 that to him. You know, like I said, yes, there 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:10.700 could be some like red flag banter, but it's 00:15:10.700 --> 00:15:13.539 important also to know that Ilya, as I said earlier, 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.500 has never been around safe people. So he's really 00:15:16.500 --> 00:15:19.190 kind of like testing the ground. Is this person 00:15:19.190 --> 00:15:21.730 safe for me? Is this person safe for me to be 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:25.330 my true self, right? It's really self -protection, 00:15:25.409 --> 00:15:27.570 right? The little like, you know, picking at 00:15:27.570 --> 00:15:30.100 him a little here and there. Like I said. You 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:32.240 know, early, he was never allowed to have really 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.620 any feelings and emotions. And so he's learning 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:39.559 how to be a good man, how to model positive masculinity, 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.700 good masculinity, despite the fact not having 00:15:42.700 --> 00:15:45.820 anyone to model that for him before. Right. Yes, 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.379 he has Svetlana who loves him, but he has no, 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:51.740 you know, people who are modeling like positive 00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:56.159 behavior for a man. And so that's something that 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.620 was really interesting. I said they use their 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:01.440 physicality. to show tenderness. And you said, 00:16:01.539 --> 00:16:05.179 what did you say? Ilya kind of de -escalates 00:16:05.179 --> 00:16:09.500 him. Yeah. So the first time they meet, they 00:16:09.500 --> 00:16:11.659 have this encounter. They have a great time together, 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:13.980 right? It's Shane's first time. So Ilya is definitely 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:16.340 very gentle with him. Ilya can see that Shane 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:18.700 changes, right? And he starts to get a little 00:16:18.700 --> 00:16:21.779 freaked out. And he... And he says to Ilya, like, 00:16:21.820 --> 00:16:23.440 you're not going to tell anyone. Right. And Ilya 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.639 tries. Right. And Ilya tries to have this like 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:26.940 little banter, like, what do you think I'm going 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:29.120 to tell? You know, as he does. And then he really 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.519 quickly clocks that Shane cannot handle that 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.059 at that moment. And so he backtracks and he's 00:16:34.059 --> 00:16:35.840 like, I'm not I'm not going to tell anyone. Right. 00:16:35.860 --> 00:16:38.600 And he calms him down. Yeah. And then in the 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.460 second time, the second sexual encounter, when 00:16:42.460 --> 00:16:47.100 Ilya wants to have sex and Shane is. you know, 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.580 worried and afraid and probably, you know, is 00:16:49.580 --> 00:16:53.720 not ready yet. When Ilya asks what color his 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:57.559 dildo is. Yeah, in that part. When Ilya says, 00:16:57.580 --> 00:16:59.200 like, we need to, you know, we're going to make, 00:16:59.299 --> 00:17:01.539 you know, we're going to do it next time. And 00:17:01.539 --> 00:17:05.559 Shane. Ilya again clocks that Shane is not well. 00:17:05.779 --> 00:17:08.839 And he puts his hand on his chest and he's like, 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.119 Hollander, you're having a panic attack. Because 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:12.900 Shane can't figure out where they're going to 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:15.720 meet. He's in his mind. He's like, what hotel? 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.960 Right. He's in his mind. And so like this is 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:21.720 Ilya being incredibly. And remember, they're 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.140 also very young at that point. Right. And so 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:26.819 Ilya is very perceptive in that moment. Ilya 00:17:26.819 --> 00:17:30.309 literally says. Shane, chill. It's just a plan 00:17:30.309 --> 00:17:33.089 to fuck. It's a plan to fuck. It's a plan to 00:17:33.089 --> 00:17:34.529 fuck. Hollander, it's a plan to fuck. You're 00:17:34.529 --> 00:17:36.269 having panic attacks. Right, exactly. You're 00:17:36.269 --> 00:17:41.009 having panic attacks. I really always enjoy when 00:17:41.009 --> 00:17:43.670 you talk about sort of the Russian experience 00:17:43.670 --> 00:17:47.089 because I think it just, again, I think that's 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:49.529 part of the reason you're always weeping maybe. 00:17:49.809 --> 00:17:52.730 I cry all the time. I know. She cries all the 00:17:52.730 --> 00:17:55.269 time. But I think there is something, you know, 00:17:55.269 --> 00:17:57.609 there's this idea that, you know, you're connecting. 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.839 with the show in so many ways. And the language 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:02.559 is probably one. But one of the things that you 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.359 said was, you know, Russian men growing up in 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:10.900 that culture who were sort of, I don't want to 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:13.400 say victims, but just a product of that sort 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.759 of inability to really express themselves. It's 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.700 like baked in, right? You know, but. I just think 00:18:19.700 --> 00:18:22.579 for Ilya, the only person who seemed to ever 00:18:22.579 --> 00:18:25.180 cultivate that in him was his mom. Right. And 00:18:25.180 --> 00:18:29.500 she died. And I really and he says it, too, in 00:18:29.500 --> 00:18:33.019 the sixth episode. Not the sixth. Not the sixth. 00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:35.920 The fifth episode. He says it like my my brother 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:38.740 hates me. And he knows that his brother in the 00:18:38.740 --> 00:18:42.099 monologue. Yes. During that monologue. And he 00:18:42.099 --> 00:18:44.259 says, I know my brother hates me and I know why. 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.220 My interpretation was that his brother and father 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:50.099 hate him because. He got the talent, right? Like, 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.859 he got the talent. But he's the sensitive one. 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.500 He's the soft one, right? And he's not like them, 00:18:56.539 --> 00:18:59.500 even though he, you know, is drinking and partying 00:18:59.500 --> 00:19:02.019 and spends money and sleeping with all sorts 00:19:02.019 --> 00:19:03.299 of people. Yeah, the Russian folk boy. Right. 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.160 He's playing the part. He's playing the part. 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.920 But underneath, they can see that he's not one 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.430 of them. Right. There's a lot to that sort of 00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:13.150 internalized hatred. I mean, his brother calls 00:19:13.150 --> 00:19:15.769 him the hard F multiple times through the show. 00:19:15.890 --> 00:19:18.730 And that, I mean, that was so, like, that was 00:19:18.730 --> 00:19:21.910 so hard to take. But, you know, you're like, 00:19:22.049 --> 00:19:25.470 oh, that's such homophobic language. And it is. 00:19:25.569 --> 00:19:28.190 It is. But then you see, like. It's so common 00:19:28.190 --> 00:19:30.950 in Russia, though. You see also the Canadian 00:19:30.950 --> 00:19:33.569 side, what we talked about before. It's just 00:19:33.569 --> 00:19:36.210 baked in the culture, whether it's overt or covert. 00:19:36.369 --> 00:19:40.269 It's just, it's in there, right? Ilya, like, 00:19:40.349 --> 00:19:44.549 not just the part of him that's bi or queer, 00:19:44.769 --> 00:19:47.609 that part, but the part of him that's soft. He's 00:19:47.609 --> 00:19:51.130 never that. He has had to internalize all this, 00:19:51.170 --> 00:19:53.150 like, hatred. Right. You know? Because being 00:19:53.150 --> 00:19:58.299 soft to men. a lot of the times is like shameful 00:19:58.299 --> 00:20:00.559 like they're ashamed of that part they think 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:02.519 it's weakness right because again they're like 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:05.700 trapped in this in this cage in this prison of 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:09.599 what masculinity should look like and you know 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.220 Ilya does like real strength right is letting 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:15.940 someone you love seeing you scared and seeing 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:18.539 you grieve you're not like you know, not like 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:21.720 performing invulnerability. Right. So, you know, 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.680 for example, like when, you know, the Russian 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:26.460 monologue. Right. He's he's literally allowing 00:20:26.460 --> 00:20:29.039 Shane, even though it's in Russian. So there 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.559 is some protection. Right. For Ilya, like Shane 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:33.480 won't know exactly what I'm saying or anything, 00:20:33.619 --> 00:20:35.759 what I'm saying, but I get to be vulnerable. 00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:39.759 nonetheless right the the all -star game in in 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.599 episode five when when shane comes over and they 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.440 go back to ilia's hotel and and shane has that 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.819 serious conversation with him and he's he comes 00:20:47.819 --> 00:20:49.880 out to him he comes out to him right exactly 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.839 and ilia And again, he's he's closed off a little 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:57.660 bit. Right. Like, he's just worried. And then 00:20:57.660 --> 00:20:59.920 Ilya, I think he finally sees that, like, Shane 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:01.759 is not kidding. Like, this is a serious conversation 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.319 that they absolutely have to have. And he sits 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.779 down next to him. And, you know, Shane starts 00:21:06.779 --> 00:21:09.779 telling him, like, this is not we're not just 00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:12.319 fucking like we are. You feel it, too. You feel 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.119 it, too. Right. And Ilya tries to be like, no, 00:21:15.220 --> 00:21:18.140 no, no. And then I can't. And then and then. 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.240 Right. And then Shane is like, well. It felt 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.259 like we were something. And I was like, we can't. 00:21:23.259 --> 00:21:25.680 We can't be something. And Shane, like, well, 00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:28.660 like, what if we could? And he's like, it doesn't 00:21:28.660 --> 00:21:31.460 fucking matter. And you could see the hurt, right? 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.380 It's not just he's trying to hurt Shane. He's 00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:36.460 not. He is himself hurting. And he's trying, 00:21:36.619 --> 00:21:38.740 again, he's trying not to show those emotions. 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:41.680 And finally, when Shane just, like, really softly, 00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:43.819 like, I like you. I like you too much, right? 00:21:44.420 --> 00:21:49.140 And, you know, why can't we? And finally, he's 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:52.180 like, because Russia, like almost like, what 00:21:52.180 --> 00:21:55.400 don't you fucking understand here? This is very 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:58.000 obvious. Right. Like, it's very obvious. Shane, 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.700 it's been eight years. Like, have you not learned 00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:03.299 about Russia? Right. And he's like, my dad is 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:06.259 police. My brother is police. Like, you know, 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:08.519 I don't want to find out what will happen to 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.519 me in Russia. It's the first time he tells Shane 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.359 that his mother actually died. Right. And he. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.759 He cries. Ilya cries for the first time in front 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.519 of Shane. And like, dude, for a man to do that 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.299 in any media format, we haven't seen too much 00:22:23.299 --> 00:22:26.259 of that, right? Like he cries. Shane comes and 00:22:26.259 --> 00:22:30.460 hugs him and holds him. That physical love. And 00:22:30.460 --> 00:22:32.160 it's kind of a little reversed, right? Because 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:34.839 he's usually, Ilya, like doing that and giving 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.299 that support. It's a little reversed. That scene. 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:41.279 It's this, I got you. They're constantly like, 00:22:41.339 --> 00:22:44.700 I got you, you know? I just remember watching 00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:47.599 that scene and thinking all of a sudden how young 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:49.839 Ilya looked, like when he turned his head away 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.519 and started to cry. I was like, oh, my gosh, 00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:57.680 he's been this sort of semi -orphaned boy just 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:02.720 trying his best to live in a foreign land. And, 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:08.440 you know, such a good scene. I love that scene. 00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:13.089 So I just think that as an audience. And women, 00:23:13.170 --> 00:23:15.809 I really think we're like longing for that, right? 00:23:15.829 --> 00:23:22.450 That emotional connection. And our friends, you'd 00:23:22.450 --> 00:23:24.549 said like, oh, some people, what did you say? 00:23:24.630 --> 00:23:26.809 Some of our friends and other people watching 00:23:26.809 --> 00:23:30.000 with us think Ilya is an asshole, right? I'm 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.559 just saying a lot of people in my life have called 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.960 me an asshole. And you're one of the best people. 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.960 Thanks. No, there's no snark there. No, I know 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.960 sounded like it. But no, you are one of the best 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.140 people. Right. And so when people call Ilya an 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:46.519 asshole, I get a little offended. Right. You 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:50.099 know. So, OK, what's so funny is that after I 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:53.079 first watched this show for the first time, early 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.819 days, I was almost high. Right. Yes. And people 00:23:56.819 --> 00:24:00.279 said that to me and I was so annoyed. hilariously. 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.500 But I told my husband, I felt disrespected. And 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.380 my husband could not understand what I meant. 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.339 You felt disrespected when people said Ilya was 00:24:09.339 --> 00:24:12.099 an asshole? Yeah, in the beginning. And then 00:24:12.099 --> 00:24:15.519 our mutual friend, you know, she said something 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.200 like that. And in our group text, I like eviscerated 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.579 one of her favorite books, Wuthering Heights. 00:24:21.619 --> 00:24:24.220 I don't even know why. Because they are our personal 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:28.160 friends, Ilya and Shane. And then I texted her 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.059 separately apologizing for all the things I said 00:24:31.059 --> 00:24:33.259 about Wuthering Heights. I admit it's absolutely 00:24:33.259 --> 00:24:35.660 insane. But now that we're doing this podcast, 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.400 I feel more balanced, like more circumspect, 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.140 you know, because I actually love all these interpretations 00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:47.740 of the show. I feel like the best part is that 00:24:47.740 --> 00:24:51.150 these characters at the... at the heart of them. 00:24:51.269 --> 00:24:54.369 You know, they grow and they learn and they change 00:24:54.369 --> 00:24:56.990 and they get better. And there's hope for that. 00:24:57.049 --> 00:25:00.049 I feel like that's what the joy of the show is, 00:25:00.089 --> 00:25:04.049 is that it shows the capacity for an environment 00:25:04.049 --> 00:25:08.930 to change, people to change, the way rigid norms 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:12.009 of masculinity can be changed and challenged. 00:25:12.730 --> 00:25:15.410 And you just don't need to be perfect. You just 00:25:15.410 --> 00:25:19.339 need to reflect. and be introspective. You can 00:25:19.339 --> 00:25:23.000 be imperfect, but you're not a bad person. It 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.779 doesn't have to be this dichotomy of good, bad, 00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:29.460 toxic, or good masculinity. I just feel like 00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:33.359 it lets us sit in nuance in the best way. Right. 00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:35.720 And we're missing nuance. We have no nuance. 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.519 Nothing has nuance. Everything is like horrible 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:40.519 or the best. Like there's nothing in between, 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.740 right? And I agree with you. I think the fact 00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:48.019 that the show allows these characters the time 00:25:48.019 --> 00:25:52.259 to grow and become who they are. And it allows 00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:56.920 us to see men who can come off as perhaps like 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.160 closed off or even cold. And it allows us to 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:06.180 see them actually growing into good, kind, respectful, 00:26:06.700 --> 00:26:09.480 emotionally available and emotionally intelligent 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.079 men. That, again, is something we don't see that 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.799 often. I just I love it. I love the way the show 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.880 takes on this mass positive masculinity. And 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.140 the one other thing I want to say or I want to 00:26:23.140 --> 00:26:26.859 say so I really want to talk about consent. I 00:26:26.859 --> 00:26:30.839 really want to talk about how. You love the consent. 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:32.599 I love it. You're all about it. I really, truly 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.420 love it. Because in this show, consent is such, 00:26:35.420 --> 00:26:39.240 like, a masculinity flex here. Right? Like, whereas 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:43.059 in real life and in other forms of media or TV 00:26:43.059 --> 00:26:47.900 that we have seen, consent is, like, almost portrayed 00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:50.359 as, like, a mood killer. You know, asking for 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.819 consent during the time you're having sex or 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:56.980 whatever else. Right? And here, it's like a... 00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.680 it's like almost like a turn on, right? Because 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.180 like their first time when they first have sex, 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.180 first of all, even before they have sex, you 00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:05.920 know, Ilya asks Shane, like, have you ever done 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:07.480 this before? Whatever. And as soon as Shane says 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:09.700 no, and he feels uncomfortable, he tells them 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:11.900 like, okay, next time, right? He respects that 00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:14.900 boundary. When they actually do meet to have 00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:19.019 sex for the first time, Ilya keeps checking in. 00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:23.180 Is this okay? Are you OK? Is this OK? Four times 00:27:23.180 --> 00:27:26.339 at least during their time that night together. 00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:30.650 And even when it's not. like that, Ilya, even 00:27:30.650 --> 00:27:33.690 before he says to him, don't worry, it will fit 00:27:33.690 --> 00:27:36.990 as a joke. Right. But also as a I know you're 00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:39.450 nervous. Right. I know you're nervous, but like 00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:42.630 this will work. I promise. Right. And so I think 00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:45.650 that calms Shane, you know. So it's this like, 00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.509 you know. Oh, and have you listened to the Empty 00:27:48.509 --> 00:27:52.130 Netters podcast? No, I'm doing the other one. 00:27:52.130 --> 00:27:54.529 What? Chaos. Oh, I haven't listened to that one 00:27:54.529 --> 00:27:57.059 yet. There's a lot. Of content to be consumed. 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:59.740 It's like way too much. The empty netters are 00:27:59.740 --> 00:28:01.519 amazing. They're like these three hockey guys. 00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:04.960 They have just a regular hockey podcast. And 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.619 they got into the show and they review every 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.089 single episode. And it is. Truly amazing. They 00:28:11.089 --> 00:28:14.809 are the honestly like in real life, the epitome 00:28:14.809 --> 00:28:17.630 of good masculinity. They are in love with the 00:28:17.630 --> 00:28:20.930 show. They analyze the characters. Right. Exactly. 00:28:20.930 --> 00:28:23.089 They analyze the characters. They're invested 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.170 in this love story. Like so all three of them, 00:28:26.190 --> 00:28:29.009 straight men, all invested in this love story. 00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:33.119 Yeah. guys are also like they're so earnest in 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.220 their analysis it's not like a joke or any you 00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:38.619 know like they're invested in both the romance 00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:41.299 and the sort of hockey part and the relationship 00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:44.259 right exactly yes it's earnest and you want you 00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:46.839 want that we're craving that as women like we 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.500 want to see more of that like i'm watching these 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.559 random hockey guys talk about the show and i'm 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.900 like you're the kind of man that women love right 00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:58.559 like and you're so rare or at least we don't 00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:01.799 It's not displayed in many places, but they call 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:06.799 Ilya the consent king. I love it because I 100 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.660 percent agree. Consent king every single time, 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.940 even in the first shower scene. Right. When they're 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:16.079 showering together, they're showering together 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.220 and they're both standing there and Ilya starts 00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:24.009 masturbating. After Shane checks him out, I mean, 00:29:24.009 --> 00:29:26.589 he's like very clearly checking each other out. 00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:29.410 Ilya starts masturbating, but also with his eyes, 00:29:29.549 --> 00:29:31.700 he's like. Like kind of like, hey, like this 00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:34.019 is cool, right? Like this is cool, you know? 00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:37.839 And so that's a check -in, right? And when Shane's 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.400 like not here, he stops. He stops, right? Not 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.359 here, he stops. He doesn't push. He doesn't do 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.380 anything. And like, listen, not for nothing, 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.559 but like guys in real life, like sometimes they 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.200 don't stop, right? And they push. And we as women 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.940 know that to be true, you know? So consent, I 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:56.000 think that's why I love consent in this show 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.700 so much because we don't see that. We don't see 00:29:58.700 --> 00:30:01.470 that in real life. Hardly. Right. We don't see 00:30:01.470 --> 00:30:05.589 that in like society. We don't see that in movies 00:30:05.589 --> 00:30:09.289 or TV. And seeing that on screen, the way it 00:30:09.289 --> 00:30:13.609 was done was like breathtaking to me. Truly breathtaking. 00:30:13.970 --> 00:30:16.589 I love that. The show also makes like this masculinity 00:30:16.589 --> 00:30:19.150 like accessible to women, you know, and it's 00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:22.250 right. But like, you know, as a woman, obviously, 00:30:22.349 --> 00:30:24.490 you know, I watch the show and like, you know, 00:30:24.509 --> 00:30:28.980 that part where the part in like. the hotel room 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:33.220 in the second i always say which hotel room which 00:30:33.220 --> 00:30:37.960 hotel room um i in the second episode after they 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.039 had their little like you know you haven't texted 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.980 me for six months and it's after ilia wins mvp 00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:46.839 you mean chair i mean the chair i mean chair 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:50.500 right uncredited like side note chair feral right 00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:53.000 like it makes everyone crazy right that chair 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.779 scene but anyway In that moment, we see Ilya 00:30:56.779 --> 00:30:59.559 is kind of like taking the dom role in the relationship. 00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:03.099 And Shane is a little nervous. Obviously, he's 00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:05.940 never done this before. No shit. Right. And so 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:08.420 he said it right. Like in the end, he's like, 00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:11.099 yeah, no shit. Yeah. So so they're definitely 00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:14.759 there's definitely. If this was a scene between 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.599 a man and a woman, you, I, I don't know about 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.720 anybody else, but I have and I've watched, you 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.960 know, movies like there was a movie called Secretary 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.460 a while back where like it was a boss and her 00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:26.619 and it was very consensual, but it was definitely 00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:30.000 like a dom sub relationship. Right. And I, even 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.160 though the woman wanted this in the movie, right, 00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:36.470 like the way she was treated and whatever. I 00:31:36.470 --> 00:31:39.789 still felt like uncomfortable for her, like uneasy, 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:42.329 right? Watching that scene. Whereas with the 00:31:42.329 --> 00:31:45.890 two men, right? Like, yes, like Shane is, I mean, 00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:48.789 sorry, Ilya is definitely the dominant one in 00:31:48.789 --> 00:31:53.089 this moment, but there's no... inequality there 00:31:53.089 --> 00:31:55.809 right like there's no shame for either one of 00:31:55.809 --> 00:31:58.569 them they both consent to this very obviously 00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:02.190 shane wants that shane clearly wants it as bad 00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:06.369 as ilia wants this and it makes scenes like that 00:32:06.369 --> 00:32:09.990 accessible to women and they're actually external 00:32:09.990 --> 00:32:13.230 equals right correct yeah like like there's nothing 00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:16.289 unequal about them completely egalitarian right 00:32:16.289 --> 00:32:20.829 yeah And that's also like a really cool way to 00:32:20.829 --> 00:32:24.369 display both types of masculinity with them right 00:32:24.369 --> 00:32:28.130 now. Yeah, I love that analysis. And I also want 00:32:28.130 --> 00:32:30.569 to say, you know, yeah, they're growing, etc. 00:32:30.829 --> 00:32:34.930 They're showing their, you know, consent king 00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:39.410 vibe, all of it. And I just feel like their story 00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:42.589 still, you know, season one ended, but it's also 00:32:42.589 --> 00:32:45.579 not. a happy ending. It's an unfinished one, 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.759 right? Like that's how real life works. In six 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.039 episodes, you don't wrap up your life and decide 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.420 after, you know, years of being in the closet 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:57.079 and not, you know, not coming to terms with your 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.799 own sexuality. You all like all of a sudden you 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:01.960 decide you're like good to go and you're going 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.980 to come out to everyone. That's just not how 00:33:03.980 --> 00:33:06.460 real life works. But there's this opportunity 00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:10.539 to change, right? You know, so I just feel like 00:33:10.539 --> 00:33:13.789 it's so realistic. And like I said, I think it's 00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:17.329 that hope of change, the hope of a better way 00:33:17.329 --> 00:33:22.910 to be projecting honesty and masculinity. So 00:33:22.910 --> 00:33:26.089 I love that. I just I love this show. Even outside 00:33:26.089 --> 00:33:28.569 of the show, both Connor Story and Hudson Williams 00:33:28.569 --> 00:33:33.750 like portray positive masculinity. And I I love 00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:35.329 it. There was an interview with Connor where 00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:38.049 he basically said, like, you know, Hudson is 00:33:38.049 --> 00:33:41.089 my best friend. And it's really interesting to 00:33:41.089 --> 00:33:43.650 watch people like sexualize us, even though we're 00:33:43.650 --> 00:33:45.490 just friends. We love being affectionate with 00:33:45.490 --> 00:33:47.609 one another. We've been through the craziest 00:33:47.609 --> 00:33:50.190 experience and this crazy roller coaster. And 00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:52.430 if I have my hand on his leg or we're sitting 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:54.650 down somewhere. And like at some press thing, 00:33:54.809 --> 00:33:58.150 he's my friend and I love him. And we just have 00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:00.750 that level of comfort. And like that is also 00:34:00.750 --> 00:34:04.309 such good masculinity. Right. Because people 00:34:04.309 --> 00:34:06.400 just don't understand. Like they don't. Like 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.880 they don't want to see men be affectionate toward 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.960 one another, as friends even, right? Like, I'm 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.719 sorry, but even like in Russia, when men see 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.599 each other after like, you know, at some sort 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.840 of social event, whatever, they hug, they kiss 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.159 each other on the cheek. Like there's still like 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.940 some affection, right? Whereas here in America, 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:28.559 like it's not as much. It's more like, you know, 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:30.619 oh, then you must be gay. Right. And that's why 00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:32.260 everyone's like questioning their real sexuality. 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:36.780 Which we have no right to like. This masculinity 00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:40.340 that's built here in the West is like, I mean, 00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:43.880 honestly, around the world, truly. It's like 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.500 the public masculinity rules are a cage for men. 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:51.320 It hurts everyone. These rules for masculinity, 00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:53.719 they hurt everyone. It literally hurts our society. 00:34:54.940 --> 00:34:59.199 I really would love it if this show would open 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:03.769 doors for a lot more content with this. positive 00:35:03.769 --> 00:35:06.449 display of masculinity because that is what we 00:35:06.449 --> 00:35:10.170 want. We don't want the culturally trained version 00:35:10.170 --> 00:35:13.349 of masculinity that's like emotionally unavailable 00:35:13.349 --> 00:35:15.809 and shut down. That's defensive. That's hostile. 00:35:15.989 --> 00:35:19.550 Like we do not want this. Please listen to what 00:35:19.550 --> 00:35:22.449 women want from men. Please listen to us. Arman, 00:35:22.650 --> 00:35:24.750 whose name maybe I'm butchering. Scott Hunter. 00:35:24.869 --> 00:35:26.429 Scott Hunter. I'm just going to call him Scott 00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:29.750 Hunter. You know, the actor who plays him, he 00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:31.989 said something really similar too. He said that 00:35:33.190 --> 00:35:36.630 You know, in the last few years, we've talked 00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:39.090 a lot about toxic masculinity, but we forget 00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:41.829 that men are the first victims of it. He goes 00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:45.289 on to not just say that men are the only victims 00:35:45.289 --> 00:35:48.349 of it, but he's expressing that concept that 00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:51.510 you're expressing. Like, if you start off that 00:35:51.510 --> 00:35:53.449 way and that's the environment you're raising, 00:35:53.550 --> 00:35:57.409 you're kind of perpetuating this cycle. So I 00:35:57.409 --> 00:36:00.489 think people, not just women, people are ready. 00:36:00.570 --> 00:36:03.500 People are ready. for this kind of show. And 00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:06.059 that's, I think, what a lot of the positive reaction 00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:09.920 is. Right. And I also want to say, here's one 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.260 thing. OK, so we've said all this gloriously 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:16.099 positive stuff and, you know, analysis. But I 00:36:16.099 --> 00:36:19.019 will say one thing. Yes, it subverts these tropes 00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:22.579 of masculinity, et cetera. But Shane and Ilya, 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.329 they're pretty. They're typically masculine, 00:36:25.510 --> 00:36:27.170 right? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you'd 00:36:27.170 --> 00:36:31.250 say they're really attractive in that way. They're 00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:34.809 strong. They're built. They're abs. They're athletes. 00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:37.030 They're going out for a date. And you could say 00:36:37.030 --> 00:36:38.769 that. You could say, okay, they're athletes. 00:36:38.929 --> 00:36:41.110 They're intended to be like that. I totally get 00:36:41.110 --> 00:36:43.849 it. But that was a choice, right? And we are 00:36:43.849 --> 00:36:47.570 also responding to that choice because no matter 00:36:47.570 --> 00:36:49.829 how much I want to like clap for this flip of 00:36:49.829 --> 00:36:52.659 masculinity, I'm still like. marinating in the 00:36:52.659 --> 00:36:56.079 culture. And I think, okay, so I know you don't 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.920 want any book spoilers and I'm not giving it 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.139 to you. I 100 % feel like the book does such 00:37:02.139 --> 00:37:06.079 a good job sort of being like supporting the 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.840 way the show and you get so much more, you get 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.889 detail about. the entire sort of universe. But 00:37:12.889 --> 00:37:15.510 in the book, there's this scene in the long game. 00:37:15.550 --> 00:37:18.170 So season two, I think, Ileana Shane season two. 00:37:18.469 --> 00:37:20.489 There's a scene where this other player, they 00:37:20.489 --> 00:37:23.769 refer to him in the Tuna Mouth episode. Ryan. 00:37:24.269 --> 00:37:27.449 Ryan. Oh, wait, that guy, the guy when he, they 00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:29.050 were like talking about him being traded all 00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:31.230 the time. And Ileana was like, he's not like 00:37:31.230 --> 00:37:33.110 who you think he is or something like that. Yes, 00:37:33.110 --> 00:37:35.929 I love that. I love that like throw in. So Ryan 00:37:35.929 --> 00:37:40.440 in the long game has this. boyfriend Fabian and 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.280 Shane meets them and Ilya meet them for their 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.739 first time but they don't they're not out as 00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:50.400 a couple Shane and Ilya and at that point and 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.780 Fabian's maybe more femme presenting and then 00:37:53.780 --> 00:37:57.320 Shane says thanks something like even as a gay 00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.239 man who's in love with another man and I wrote 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.139 this down he couldn't help the knee -jerk reaction 00:38:02.139 --> 00:38:06.039 of uneasiness I thought that was so meta to me 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.769 I felt like Like Rachel Reed was holding this 00:38:08.769 --> 00:38:10.449 mirror up and saying, hey, you're reading this 00:38:10.449 --> 00:38:13.489 book, but like think about how you can grow from 00:38:13.489 --> 00:38:16.070 where you are. Like think about your inherent 00:38:16.070 --> 00:38:19.070 biases. Right. Right. Right. Because many of 00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:22.210 us are like very open and progressive and all 00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:23.829 these things. But then like, yeah, there are 00:38:23.829 --> 00:38:25.809 times where certain people or certain things 00:38:25.809 --> 00:38:28.130 or certain events will like challenge us. And 00:38:28.130 --> 00:38:30.630 we have to reconcile that. Like we have to figure 00:38:30.630 --> 00:38:34.809 out why and hopefully come to a time. So hopefully 00:38:34.809 --> 00:38:37.610 there's growth. And there's room for growth. 00:38:37.909 --> 00:38:41.050 And then growth can be really joyful. And that's 00:38:41.050 --> 00:38:42.909 my favorite part of the whole show. I know. That 00:38:42.909 --> 00:38:47.210 it's like all of this can be a really joyful 00:38:47.210 --> 00:38:51.650 experience. Right. Speaking of joy, this is my 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:53.670 favorite part of the show already. And it's only 00:38:53.670 --> 00:38:57.349 episode two. And I think about all week what 00:38:57.349 --> 00:38:59.190 we're going to say here for our moment of sunshine. 00:39:00.409 --> 00:39:02.010 You tell me yours first because I went first 00:39:02.010 --> 00:39:04.610 last week. OK, awesome. All right. So my moment 00:39:04.610 --> 00:39:07.289 of sunshine this week is watching Heated Rivalry 00:39:07.289 --> 00:39:09.789 with my husband. It took me a little while to 00:39:09.789 --> 00:39:11.889 convince him because he's not like a TV person. 00:39:11.929 --> 00:39:14.429 He's not like a romance person. He likes like 00:39:14.429 --> 00:39:17.269 sci -fi type stuff more. But anyway, we're finally 00:39:17.269 --> 00:39:19.469 watching it together. I'm having a we're having 00:39:19.469 --> 00:39:21.550 a great time. I'm having the best time of my 00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:24.730 life because I'm so excited to see him react 00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:26.570 to the show. Are you like watching him watch 00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:31.039 it? Actually, no, but I I'm not. But we're together, 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.380 you know, obviously, after the kids go to bed, 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.719 and we're really enjoying it. And last night, 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:40.119 we watched episode five. Episode five? Yeah, 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.019 episode five. And episode five, and I will fight 00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:46.059 anyone if they challenge me on this, because 00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:49.760 episode five is the greatest episode on television 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:54.119 ever made. Cinematic masterpiece. Cinematic masterpiece. 00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:56.119 Didn't get like a perfect score. Perfect score. 00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:01.019 It took Breaking Bad off its like 13 -year run 00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:03.739 of being number one, right? Episode five, we 00:40:03.739 --> 00:40:06.460 watched it last night. I was so nervous for his 00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:08.699 reaction because like, you know, I've been building 00:40:08.699 --> 00:40:11.139 this up in my head forever. And I think it's 00:40:11.139 --> 00:40:13.500 perfect. I think it's a perfect episode. And 00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:16.820 he loved it. He loved it. He loved it. He loved 00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:19.920 it so much. We talked about it for like an hour 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.179 after. agrees that it is, if not the best, one 00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:27.780 of the best episodes ever made for TV. Now, this, 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.900 this, you know, I was about to say, like, we 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.099 don't, you know, from everything we have seen 00:40:33.099 --> 00:40:36.119 as a couple and as individuals, this was one 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.039 of the best things we've ever seen. To me, the 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.820 best, period. I will fight you if you disagree 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:44.059 with me. I love it. And I'm the enforcer. You 00:40:44.059 --> 00:40:47.099 are the enforcer. You will be intimidated. All 00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:49.059 right, Anusha, how about yours? Thank you. I 00:40:49.059 --> 00:40:52.750 love it, too. So my moment of sunshine is related 00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:56.150 to episode four. I tried a tuna melt for the 00:40:56.150 --> 00:40:58.610 first time. I felt like I had to do it for authenticity 00:40:58.610 --> 00:41:02.469 because I was like, I can't talk about tuna melts. 00:41:02.650 --> 00:41:04.949 Oh, my God. No, and I've never had one. Never 00:41:04.949 --> 00:41:07.730 had one. So my husband got me one from Wawa. 00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:11.380 So for our Canadian listeners, and we have. Canadian 00:41:11.380 --> 00:41:13.719 listeners or one Canadian listener who downloads 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.780 it multiple times. I don't know. Anyway, for 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.860 our Canadian listeners, Wawa is like Tim Hortons, 00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:21.900 just for reference. Good, good. So what else? 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.940 That's it? That's your moment of sunshine? Are 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:26.599 you going to ask me like what it evoked in me? 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:27.960 That's what I was about to say. I thought you 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:29.400 were just going to keep going. I was waiting 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.320 for you. I'm sorry. Yes. So you had the tuna 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.820 melt from Wawa. And what did that do for you? 00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:41.559 The concept of warm canned. tuna is just like 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:46.480 a little off -putting, but I did eat it. It was 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.320 weird at first, but I got into it the more I 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.840 ate. So I had to explain to my husband why I 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.960 asked for this tuna melt. And they explained 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.599 all about episode four, the tuna melt of heartbreak. 00:41:58.659 --> 00:42:01.599 And then he pointed out something very important 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:06.099 that the sandwich was actually between sex episodes. 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.619 So like a sex melt. And I felt like nothing can 00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:12.679 really compare to that kind of tuna melt. But 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.880 anyway, that's my moment of sunshine. I don't 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.400 know if you know this about me, but I'm a tuna 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.260 melt pro. You make them? No. I don't make them. 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.400 But my friends and I, when we would party all 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.659 night in the clubs, we would go to a diner and 00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:28.800 always order tuna melts. That was not my adolescence. 00:42:28.820 --> 00:42:31.119 Maybe this is where I went wrong. I did not. 00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:33.500 I had a bunch of tuna. I love a tuna melt. I 00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:35.079 haven't had it in years, but I think tomorrow 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.539 I might have one. You're going to have to go 00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:38.519 to Wawa and get a tuna melt. It matters what 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.619 bread it is, though. So it has to be like really 00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:42.880 good, solid bread. What's good, solid bread? 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.280 Like rye, maybe. Oh, mine was just on like a 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.219 roll. Like an American bread. No, no, like a 00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:52.679 roll. No, no, no, no. You need like solid, like 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.039 hearty bread for a good tuna melt because it 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.570 has to hold it all together. Yes, it can get 00:42:57.570 --> 00:42:59.730 soggy. It can get soggy, correct. I love your 00:42:59.730 --> 00:43:01.670 moment of sunshine. I love that you finally had 00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:05.070 a tuna melt. Finally. So heated rivalry is changing 00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:09.670 lives by making us go see hockey games and eat 00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:13.170 tuna melts. Correct. Next week on Everyone Deserves 00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:16.070 Sunshine, we're talking about the immigrant experience. 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.639 Yes. Join us when we discuss Ilya, his family. 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.960 We'll talk about language. We'll talk about language 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.739 barriers. Just about what it feels like to be 00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.900 an immigrant, you know, in this world. Wow. I 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:30.400 wonder if that's like a relevant topic. Well, 00:43:30.460 --> 00:43:33.079 as an immigrant. As an immigrant, I have a lot 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.440 to say about this. And Yuna, too. Yuna, too. 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.360 I think that shapes a lot of how she interacts. 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.199 That's also true. Yeah, absolutely. So this topic 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.920 is so close to my heart for so, so many reasons, 00:43:43.059 --> 00:43:45.739 like you stated. I can't wait to get into it. 00:43:46.090 --> 00:43:48.309 Thank you to all the listeners of this little 00:43:48.309 --> 00:43:50.809 podcast for sending time with us, the girls in 00:43:50.809 --> 00:43:53.329 the crease. Subscribe now, wherever you get your 00:43:53.329 --> 00:43:55.610 podcasts. 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