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Hello! In the Crown of Aragon 639 years ago,

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it was March 27th 1387. My name is Jonathan Seyfried.

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I'm a PhD candidate in history at the University

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of New Mexico, and this is the Historian's Notebook,

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a podcast about how history gets made. Season

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one is titled Molt Cara Companyona. We're looking

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at a document from each day of the first year

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of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and Queen

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Violant de Bar. Let's begin today's document.

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Today's document is a letter from Violant to

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her parents, the Duke de Bar and the Duchess

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of de Bar. And in previous letters to her parents,

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Violant has been a little bit more candid than

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usual there was one a while ago I think it was

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in February where she said don't believe the

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rumors about Joan's health he's fine admitting

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that there were rumors I mean it could be that

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she was not being all that candid because possibly

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some of the rumors were actually true and Joan

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wasn't doing so well health -wise and she didn't

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want her parents to know but at least you know

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she's candid to the extent that she admitted

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there were rumors so when i look at a letter

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from Violant to her parents i'm looking for

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opportunities to notice anything as subtle as

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it might be that might tip off that there's still

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some problems with Joan's health. And this particular

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letter doesn't really give me all that much to

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work with, to be honest. She does use the word

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convalescence when talking about Joan and his

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health, but she is continuing to use this very

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extreme language about how well he's doing so

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she mentions that he is plenarement restitute

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like fully recovered and that he's got perfecta

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sanitat he's got perfect health so okay we've

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got you know, these statements that assert that

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everything is going just fine with Joan's health

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even though we see weird ambiguities and inconsistencies

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earlier in March. I think the last document that

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we looked at that was about this way that they're

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reporting Joan's health condition was on March

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22nd. So on the webpage for this document, I'm

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going to be putting all kinds of links to other

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episodes in the corroboration section of the

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webpage. So here we have this letter. It's basically

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putting in the record that Joan is doing great

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health -wise. And I just want to take a moment

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to give you a heads up about what's coming. because

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what I'm really looking for are when cracks begin

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to show in this narrative about Joan's health

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being just fine because the real drama with his

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health and his next moment of peril comes in

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April 27th. And when I say the next moment, what

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I'm talking about is the existing historiography.

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So the historians that have identified documents

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already that talk about Joan's health during

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this period as we get into the springtime and

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approaching summer of 1387. They have already

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found and written about documents regarding Joan's

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health and Violant's response to something very

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serious that happens in late April and into May.

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I'm gonna do a quick rundown of the historians

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who have written about this and identified documents

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in these registers about what happens to Joan

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at the end of April. So the first document is

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April 27th and Dawn Bratsch Prince wrote about it

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and it mentions that Joann is ill. Then we go

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to a series of documents that Josep Roca wrote

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about, and those are April 29th, April 30th,

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and May 4th. And those documents mention a very

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severe condition that Joan has. It doesn't specify

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what's going on, but that he's in bad shape.

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Then in the folios that are right around the

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ones that Roca talked about, I found another

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one. I don't think any historian has written

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about it yet. It's from May 15th, where there's

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mention of a grave fever. And then May 25th,

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there's a document that Rubio e Lluch talks about.

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still talking about how Violant is responding

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to Joan's illness. May 27th there's one by Rodrigo

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Mateo Lizondo and then on July 12th we have a

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letter that Dawn Bratsch Prince discusses in which

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Violant is discussing the recovery that Joan

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has made, and on July 25th there's one in the

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collection by Lizondo about miracles that brought

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Joan out of his illness. So we've got this

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period that is roughly from the end of April

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through pretty much the entirety of May in which

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Joan is in big trouble health -wise. That's

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how I'm reading this right now, but what I'm

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really looking for are indications that something

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was going wrong earlier in April, and we're now

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in March 27th, and so we're really on the lookout

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for this, and then trying to figure out what

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Joan was capable of. in terms of his normal

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duties during the month of April and when he

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gets into trouble and how long he's out of commission

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and then when in May he seems to be back back

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in terms of functioning enough to to resume the

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level of activity that he had and that we see

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in other moments in the archive so What's gonna

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be really interesting is to track How what we

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know which is that there is some moment where

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Joan is not okay and and try to figure out

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how that shows up in the archive the Moments

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that Joan was in big trouble in January. We

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do see a little bit of a more chaotic representation

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of a lot of the documents in that late January

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period but that overlaps with when they're transitioning

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into becoming king and queen so it's really hard

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to understand what is chaotic in the records

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because of Joan's illness and what's chaotic

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just because of the transition that we're seeing

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from one reign to another. So this will be interesting

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to see what I notice in the registers as we move

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forward. And then there's this other wrinkle,

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which is that Rafael Tasis y Marca and Josep

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Roca are making an argument about how some of

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the letters that we see in the end of April are

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actually referring to what happened in January.

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And I'm trying to evaluate that argument and

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trying to figure out why Roca was making that

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assertion. Still haven't quite figured that out.

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I have to go back and read what Roca wrote very

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carefully. And just to keep in mind, that Josep

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Roca spent a ton of time in these archives and

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was very masterful in his understanding of all

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of this material. He was writing in the 1910s

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and 1920s. I think that his big biography of

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Joan was 1929, but if you try to read that cover

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to cover, it's a really tough read because it's

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almost like sort of what I'm doing with this

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podcast. He's got a gigantic number of documents

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that he's trying to weave together and it's more

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of like a journal of the documents thematically

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than it is like what we would expect of a biographical

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treatment so for example he's got a whole chapter

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on what he calls Joan's superstitions things

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like astrology and other kinds of Joan getting

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into what would be called the sidereal the magic

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and the Health cures that were you know, maybe

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what we would think of as less medical and more

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magical and so he had Roca has this whole chapter

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on what he calls Joan superstitions and he

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basically goes from like beginning to end like

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from Joan's entire life looking at documents

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about his belief in magic or pursuit of the sidereal.

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And so he's got these, then he's got another

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chapter on his marriage, Joan's marriages. And

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so it doesn't read chronologically. And then

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what's more confusing about this, which would

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be fine. I mean, there's nothing wrong with doing

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a work of history like that, but what's confusing

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is that Roca is is inserting a lot of direct

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quotations from the documents and he just kind

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of tends to jump around chronologically a lot

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so it's like he he made notes about all these

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documents and then he's he's kind of transcribing

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his notes more than he is pursuing an argument

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so it reads more as a notebook than it does as

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a historical argument. So I mean, you know, maybe

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after listening to this podcast that will feel

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very comfortable to you. But you also have to

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be able to read Catalan or have a way to translate

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the Catalan. Which can be kind of tough. Some

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of that 1920s Catalan is not really the same

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colloquially as the Catalan writing today. So

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there's been a couple moments where I've been

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really tripped up as I'm trying to read that.

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which is why I can't at this point figure out

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why he's saying that stuff that's written about

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Joan's perilous health condition in late April

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is referring back to January, but it does seem

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like that is what Roca is saying. Alright, so

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that's what's coming up. That's what we're looking

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for, and I would say that, you know, we've just

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got this steady drumbeat of Violant saying that

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Joan's health is good and it's and she's writing

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a letter like that almost once a week to somebody

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and you know there's certain moments where she's

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writing it you know to everybody. So we have

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this steady drum beat about Violant putting

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out there that Joan is doing well health -wise

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and what we're going to look for is how she handles

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it when It's just like really scary for her about

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you know, is he gonna survive and I think that

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we're gonna see that in the upcoming weeks and

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Yeah, I'm just curious about when the first instance

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is that we'll we'll see that and if it is something

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that we're gonna notice before The document that

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Dawn Bratsch Prince identified which is dated April

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27th so today's letter we can do a little bit

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more discussion of it in particular. Violant

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is writing to her father, and she starts out

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with this information about some merchants. So

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in line three, it's like fourth word from the

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end of the line, there's mercaderes. So there's

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some kind of, you know, fet del, dels mercaderes,

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some kind of business of the and if some kind

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of decision that has to be made later on in the

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letter about four lines down we see the word

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decisio del negoci. So there's some kind of decision

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about the business regarding the said merchants,

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but nothing specific is mentioned here. And then

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there's also the word justicia, some kind of

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justice. There's some kind of decision that has

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to be made about some merchants that somehow

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her father knows about or has given her information

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about. Don't know what that is referring to.

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Maybe we'll see something about that later. Second

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half of the letter is all about the health of

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everybody, Violant says, you know, Joan is

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convalescing perfectly, everything's great, and

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then wishes all of her family back in France

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the best of health. There's some interesting

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stuff at the bottom of this letter, which is

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the Latin instruction at the very bottom left,

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right below the text block. in which we see that

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the scribe, her I think most trusted consistent

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scribe Bartolomeo Sirvent, has written that

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there's been another letter that has been sent

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to the duquesa debar, so her mother. So basically

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what we see here in the second two the last line

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I guess you could also say the middle line of

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that Latin phrase is mutatis mutandis and we've

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seen that before in one of the letters I think

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maybe it might have been in one of the Scarampi

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letters not sure but mutatis mutandis is idiomatic

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for saying that with all the things changed that

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should be changed so this is actually a phrase

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that is still used in legal contexts today in

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courts in the United States and legal documents

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basically shorthand for saying like the main

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points are all identical but we're just changing

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around some of the smaller details and it's basically

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saying like you don't need to have an entirely

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new copy recorded here because it's just common

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sense to understand that when the same letter

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is being sent out to somebody else certain necessary

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details will be changed such as instead of saying

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molt car pare it will probably start molt cara

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mare or something like that so that phrase let's

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just do a little latin lesson here because I

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think it's really interesting to figure out well

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like how is this phrase operating and how did

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it go from being a literal phrase like literally

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what it would be translated to is something like

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having been changed needing to be changed that's

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literally what those words are being translated

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to in their particular tenses and what's going

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on grammatically is that this is a construction

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known as the ablative absolute the ablative absolute

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is when you have a noun and a participle in a

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pairing that is meant to be a separate phrase

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so it usually stands alone as a separate clause

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and basically it's used to indicate that there

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is kind of some sort of separation from the other

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content of a sentence or maybe that there's some

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kind of other person doing something so a noun

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plus a participle that is separated out from

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the rest of the sentence that is an ablative

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absolute so the participle part of that is participle

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is a grammatical term that means a verb that

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is acting as an adjective so in this sense the

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ing part of something like needing to be changed

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the needing is now a an adjective it's it's not

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a verb because it's got the ing it's in the when

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you have the ing it's the gerundive So mutandis

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is the ablative case of a plural gerundive and

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it means needing to be changed. Mutatis is an

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ablative plural and also let me just explain

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the term ablative. The term ablative is the word

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used in grammar to mean that there's some kind

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of separate something is separate or has some

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kind of separate agent within some clause that's

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not connected in the direct meaning of the sentence.

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Is that at all understandable? I'm not sure.

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But I thought I would just break down mutatis

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mutandis for you all in case anyone was curious

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About how Latin works a little bit and I've probably

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mangled that explanation people who really know

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their Latin if you're listening to this Yeah,

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I I know I messed that up in some places, but

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it's the general idea here that we have this

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method in Latin for putting together concepts

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that in English we would need a prepositional

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phrase for. We would need something like the

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word with. in order to get the meaning across.

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But in Latin, you can play with the endings of

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the words that change based on your tenses and

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the function grammatically in the sentence. And

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you can get these fun phrases that are alliterative,

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fun to say, mutatis mutandis, and they stick

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around. You know, it's something that's very

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useful. It's a very shorthand way of saying with

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the things changed that should be changed and

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it's a concept that is useful because it saves

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you the time of writing a whole new copy in your

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archival register if we're talking about this

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particular document from 1387 and it also saves

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you time in a contemporary legal context where

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there's an understanding that we're not going

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to have to go through painstakingly copies copies

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copies of things when we can just overall say

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look these documents have been changed where

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they need to be in the small details but the

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overall point and meaning is the same all right

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you now know a whole lot about that phrase, and

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I do too. And let me explain that I didn't just

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come up with that on my own, all that explanation.

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Nope. I had the help of good old AI chatbot,

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ChatGPT. So ChatGPT helped to break down the

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grammar for me. As I was looking at it, I recalled

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explanations from some of my Latin teachers,

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and so... it tracked with what i remembered and

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so it's not like i was just going to chat gpt

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but in this case the ai chat bot was a helpful

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assistant for my memory and my own refreshing

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of my understanding one other thing about ai

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usage for today's episode i for the last several

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episodes have had the same routine with doing

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some transcription through Gemini and Claude,

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but today, on March 27th, Claude was having some

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problems. It was not able to function. Basically,

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there's a major outage for Claude on the morning

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of March 27th, 2026. And so I ran this document

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through Gemini and I got, you know, some okay

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transcription, but there is a lot that Gemini

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didn't quite get, and so basically it was not...

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I didn't spend much time looking at that. Just

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checking a couple things. Thanks for listening

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to this episode of the Historian's Notebook,

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Season 1, Molt Cara Companyona. If you are leaving

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with more questions than you arrived with, like

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my explanation of Latin grammar might not have

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really been that great. Well, if you still have

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questions about that, I've done my job. Well,

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also I'll post the chat GPT transcript so you

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can get a better understanding of the ablative

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absolute and mutatis mutandis from there. Well,

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okay. Remember, the motto of the Historian's

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Notebook is, dissatisfaction guaranteed. Visit

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to hear about the next day in the first year

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of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and Queen

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Violant de Bar. In the meantime, take care.
