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Hello. In the Crown of Aragon, 639 years ago,

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it was March 12th, 1387. My name is Jonathan

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Seyfried. I'm a PhD candidate in history at the

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University of New Mexico. And this is the Historian's

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Notebook, a podcast about how history gets made.

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Season one is titled Molt Cara Companyona. We're

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looking at a document from each day of the first

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year of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and

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Queen Violant de Bar. Let's begin today's

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document. Today's document was a Latin toughy.

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Yeah, this one is in Joan's register, the secret

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seal register, and it is to the Pope. So Joan

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is writing to the Pope and, you know, we've just

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been through a whole bunch of correspondence

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from both Joan and Violant. and their three

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-year -old child to the Pope, and so, you know,

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not that many days have passed since our last

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correspondence to the Pope, and yet, it seems

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like from this letter, Joan is... displeased

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with the Pope. I mean, maybe Joan is just, like,

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in a mood because we had him expressing his fury

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at the governor of Aragon, and maybe he's starting

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to notice that people are maybe not taking him

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as seriously as he might have hoped when imagining

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what it would be like to be king. I don't, I'm

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not sure, because the tone in the Latin is of

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course going to be really difficult to ascertain,

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because the meaning in the Latin is difficult

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to ascertain. And then another factor is that

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when I first looked at this letter, I didn't

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really feel like it was going to be a difficult

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one paleographically, but it turned out to have

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a lot of very difficult paleographical ticks,

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like a lot of the C's look like T's, and the

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N's are sometimes maybe not N's, but CI combinations.

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So this particular letter is presenting difficulties

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and I spent a lot of time on it in addition to

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working through the LLM output I did some hand

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transcribing entered that into Claude's interface

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during the reconciliation phase but yeah it still

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turned out to be pretty cryptic and also paleographically

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very challenging in a lot of parts. So, you know,

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it's a little rough trying to figure out whether

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Joann is frustrated with the Pope. Claude thinks

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so, but I just want to sound a note of caution

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that we can't necessarily... Conclude that Although

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there are some indicators So we'll get into that

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and then also I just want to give a little preview

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for something We're gonna do at the end of the

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episode, but so we're gonna look at the letters

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that come before and after Because they are each

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interest they each have interesting bits So you're

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gonna get three for the price of one in today's

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episode maybe as a way of me making up for how

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I don't really know what the document of the

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day is about. I can't even tell what it's about.

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Well, we do have the sourcing information. We

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know that it's the pope that is being addressed.

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We do have an update about a topic that came

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up a little while ago. So You might remember

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from some earlier episodes, oh gosh I don't even

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know which ones, but on the webpage for for this

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episode I'll put in a link. I'll figure that

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out. So earlier episodes we had, I think it was

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Joan, it might have been also Violant, who

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were trying to get the Pope and the College of

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Cardinals to admit their family member in Valencia,

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James, the bishop of Valencia, to the College

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of Cardinals to have him become a cardinal. And

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we do see that here in this letter. It seems

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to have happened because in line five of the

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letter which is the one at the bottom of folio

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24 v there's a little punctuation slash after

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what looks like t i o r which is i think the

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suffix or the second half of the word that came

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before well there's a punctuation slash and then

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there's nunc which means now n u n c the horizontal

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line the macron abbreviation mark is standing

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in for the second n in the word nunc so nunc

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cardinali that is saying now a cardinal and then

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we've got uh after that TUNC VERO EPISCOPUS VALENCIONIUS.

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I have no idea what, or is it Valencianoanem?

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I don't know, but it is, I think, the genitive

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for Valencia, and TUNC means at that time or

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then. So what the next phrase is saying is essentially

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like earlier, or at the other earlier time, he

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was the Bishop of Valencia. So it's clear that

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there has been a success that James the Bishop

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of Valencia was admitted into cardinalship. I

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want to say the College of Cardinals, but honestly,

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I don't know enough about how the College of

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Cardinals works or like what that institution

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is to say that he became part of it. I would

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assume and guess that all of the Cardinals are

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part of the College of Cardinals, but that is

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something I do not know. So... If all cardinals

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are part of the College of Cardinals, then good

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ol' James of Valencia is in there. But if there

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are some cardinals that are not part of the College

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of Cardinals, then we don't know. But we do know

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that he did become a cardinal. So, there's been

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a success. So why is it that there's a possibility

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that Joan is grumpy with the pope? That hinges

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on the last word in the first line, but also

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how the letter starts. So it's got the addressee

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sanctissime patrie Patriae? Well, Most Holy Father.

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And then it says, Dudum iteratis. And that phrase

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means something like, a while ago we repeated.

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Or it's actually like a passive participle. And

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so it's something like, having repeated a while

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ago, but that's not quite right. It's something

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about how there was a repetition a while ago,

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and what this is all setting up is what's on

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the second line, the letters that were presented

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to the Pope from us, the royal we. Okay, so that

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much is clear that this is a reiteration of letters

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that came before. But that's not all, because

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the last word of the first line, which is the

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one that hinges this interpretation for tone,

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that last word, quadruplicatis. quadruplicate

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so four it's been done four times so it's like

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I mean I kind of if you are writing to somebody

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and you start out your letter or like even let's

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let's make it current day like you're sending

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a DM to somebody a text message yeah and you

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say something at the beginning like, this is

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the fourth time I am asking you. I think it's

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very difficult to interpret that as just a friendly

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reminder because if you're stating that basically,

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you know, you've already approached that person

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on this topic four times, It's really, you know,

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I think revealing that you're frustrated. And

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also it raises this question of, do you think

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this is going to result in the outcome you desire?

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Because if you have to ask a fifth time for something,

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it probably means the person is not going to

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be doing it. But... I guess Joan is like, well,

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you know, maybe the fifth time is the charm for

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this thing that he's asking for. What is he asking

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for in this letter? We are really, we don't know.

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And when I say we, I am including, it's not the

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royal we, it's the me plus the large language

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models. I am really trying to find the... nouns

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in this letter that will help to unlock what

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it is that Joan is you know trying to get and

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it's taking five times for him to get it but

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it's been rough in terms of even finding that

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information and I have already put in about an

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hour and a half working on this Latin document

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and so I think I'm just gonna have to pause on

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the mystery of because you might not even find

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it because a lot of times when they're writing

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these letters they're just referring to it vaguely

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right we've seen that again and again you know

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these affairs or that earlier request or whatever

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so maybe we'll find a letter from Violant that

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helps to clarify what it is that Joan is asking

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for for a fifth time. Alright, so quite dissatisfying

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with the document of today, but in order to make

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us feel better about that, I've got a couple

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little gems from the surrounding letters on these

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folios. So the first letter on folio 24 v the

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letter above the one we're talking about is to

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another count and i'm and i'm not quite sure

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who this is Joan identifies this person as

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a nebot so the letter starts that means nephew.

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So Joan is writing to someone who he identifies

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as his nephew. If it's someone from his side

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of the family, it probably has to be the one

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of the two sons of his half -sister, Joanna,

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who was the daughter of pair in his first marriage

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before Joan's mother. So it could be them.

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It could also be someone on Violant's side, and

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there is an Addressee line, and I'm going to

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try to track down a little bit more about who

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is being identified there in that Addressee line.

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I don't recognize it right away. It says Comte.

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So that even looks like something that's not

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a place name. So I'm gonna have to dig a little

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bit for that. But the reason that I brought this

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up, I wanted to talk about this letter. There's

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a little gem in it. I mean, most of it is just

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talking about he was just saying, I hope everything

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is good with you. He does refer in the middle

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of it to his accident, his misfortune, and calls

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it a desponicio de nuestra persona. So he is

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his person, his which I think means his his body

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is in this was in this state of being you know

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undisposed or not quite sure exactly how to Translate

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that and also the paleography is a little hard

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to make out exactly what word it is But you know

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nothing super revelatory but then in the third

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to last line he is asking this person, his nephew,

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to send him some bells labrers de Bretanya.

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And I think, let's see, then he says, So I think

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he is asking in that second half for, um, maybe

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a servant that his, the person he's sending this

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to is, um, well recommended. But the Lebreres

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de Bretanya, that's, so these are dogs. Lebreres

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are like hunting dogs. so he wants some beautiful

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or or very good bells les prayers so he wants

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some beautiful dogs of i think that's uh brittany

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Bretanya i think would be brittany and not like

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great britain but uh not 100 sure about that

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so that's a little jet so this is joan's passion

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for hunting dogs so he we saw it in earlier letter

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from sort of the beginning of the podcast whereas

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his father is dying he asks his brother to secure

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for him a bunch of pears stuff and one of those

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things is a particular hunting dog and now we've

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got another reference to joan seeking out some

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really great hunting dogs from Britannia, so

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that's exciting. The other thing that I wanted

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to point out is in the letter that follows the

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document of today that I wasn't quite able to

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get as far in as I would like. So on 25R, the

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letter that begins in the second half of the

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folio is to an interesting correspondent. So

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the beginning of it reads Don Johann etc. So

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that's just him stating himself. So this letter

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does not begin in the first couple words with

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the addressee. We've seen this before where Violant

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will start her letter with la reyna or her titles

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or something like that. So it's really interesting

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how you can have that option where, like in the

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document of today, the first words are the addressee.

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And now in this document that we're about to

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go deeper into, the first names that appear are

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the sender. So the addressee comes after the

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word al. So we have Don, Johan, et cetera, meaning

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all his titles. And then we have a capital A

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and then L for all. And what this then says is,

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Al muy noble e muy honrado Don Mohamed, Fillo de

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Abdul Haziz is what's there. But I think that

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would be Abdul Haziz. We had shadow piping in

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there just a moment ago. All right, so. Then,

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after Abdul Haziz, we have the phrase, Fillo de

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Ismael, Fillo de Nazar. So this whole string of

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son of, son of, son of. And then we have Rey

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de Granada, de Malaga, del Maria, de Cuadish,

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de Roda. And then we have an abbreviation that

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I cannot quite make out. And then one more place

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name that looks something like Dininos. So anyway,

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Joan has listed out all of the names in the

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lineage of Muhammad, the current king of Granada.

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And then he after that lists out all of the realms

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that are the territories under the kingdom of

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Granada, and then he goes on to talk about how,

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you know, they want to be friends, but there's

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been depredations with certain merchant shipments,

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and this is a common thing, and this actually

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is going to be again and again a topic that Joan

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and actually Violant get into with the King

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of Granada where there's very regular, I wouldn't

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say it's happening like every day, it's like

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a few times a year there are merchant shipments

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that get seized by groups groups of Muslims in

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ports in Grenada and so in those situations and

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there's one in particular that I've studied a

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little bit more in depth there's basically a

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ransom demand or they're just taking all the

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stuff and In the example that I have looked at

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from a few years down the line, what ends up

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happening is that the merchant who was the financier

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of one of these ships that that got captured

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by a group of Muslims in one of the ports of

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Granada, he goes to Joan and says, help me to

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arrange for the ransom of the crew and the products.

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And as the correspondence continues, basically

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the king of Granada tells Joan, sorry, all of

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the crew members of that ship have converted

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to Islam now. and so it's a really interesting

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moment in the story of interfaith encounter on

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the Iberian Peninsula, and this idea that you

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could end up having people converting to Islam.

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It could have been like a cover story, like maybe

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they didn't all convert to Islam, but just the

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fact that the king of Granada says that that's

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what happened is reflective of how that is a

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plausible fate for the group of sailors merchant

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sailors that had been captured so all of this

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is to say that the Shipments that were going

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around the Mediterranean and when I say around

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remember all of these boats were were very close

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to the shores almost all their routes were close

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to the shores because it was safer they were

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vulnerable to capture so Christians would capture

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Muslim ships Muslims would capture Christian

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ships and there was an economy of ransom in the

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Mediterranean in the Middle Ages, and there's

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a really great article on that that I'll put

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a link to in the webpage for today's episode.

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But that is part of the explanation for why at

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the bottom of this folio, Joan starts to talk

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about the transportation that happens in the

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zones between the countries. So they also share

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a border, so there's like land transportation

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too, but I think that what's being referred to

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here are the at times very troublesome piracy

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actions that characterize the way that people

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in the merchant realm had to kind of... contend

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with as they were doing their journeys of trading

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goods and so forth. All right, so we got a bunch

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of different things. This document about the

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about the relations between the Crown of Aragon

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and Granada was also sent on March 12th. So we

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have definitely a two -for -one situation here,

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and then the letter about the dogs from Bretanya

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that was from March 11th. Thanks for listening

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to this episode of The Historian's Notebook,

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season one, Molt Cara Companyona. If you are leaving

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with more questions than you arrived with, I

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have done my job. because remember, the motto

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of the Historian's Notebook is dissatisfaction

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guaranteed. Visit the website to see an image

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of today's documents and additional show notes,

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and listen again tomorrow to hear about the next

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day in the first year of the reign of King Joan

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I of Aragon and Queen Violant de Bar. In the

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meantime, take care. 
