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Hello. In the Crown of Aragon 639 years ago,

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it was February 21, 1387. My name is Jonathan

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Seyfried. I'm a PhD candidate in history at the

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University of New Mexico, and this is the Historian's

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Notebook, a podcast about how history gets made.

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Season one is titled Molt Cara Companyona. we're

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looking at a document from each day of the first

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year of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and

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Queen Violant de Bar. Let's begin today's document.

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So on this podcast, we tackle a lot. We make

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our best attempt at the Latin. We really flex

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our Catalan vocabulary. We manage cats who jump

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up on the desk right as we start recording. And

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so there's a lot happening. And then we're also

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trying to understand some big mysteries. like

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how was the Archive of the Crown of Aragon organized?

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And also some thematic questions, like how did

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Joan and Violant relate to each other in a

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way that might have been unusual and especially

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in consideration of gender roles, non -conformist?

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Or were they actually not that unusual and rather

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conformist. These are some of the big questions,

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but there's another one that's been with us all

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along, and that's the part about the technology

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that I'm using in order to engage with the history

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here. And there's a bunch of different technological

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angles that are happening all at once as I make

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this podcast. I mean, first of all, I'm recording

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on digital device and broadcasting out through

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the podcast distribution network and and just

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kind of bringing you in to the sound of my voice

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as I interpret these documents as opposed to

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just blogging about it or writing a little newsletter

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that I can print out and put in an envelope and

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put a stamp on it. So the very way that I'm communicating

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this out in this moment is a technological angle.

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There's also the technological angle of the Archive

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of the Crown of Aragon having been digitized

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by the Spanish government, and a lot of unnamed

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labor done by digitizers who went through and

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took digital images of all of these pages in

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these registers. And they are available at any

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time of day. on the internet on a website that

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is funded and maintained by the government of

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Spain. So there's a lot of resources just out

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there that are incredibly useful for this project

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that were not there just about 20 years ago.

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Then there's the brand new technological tools,

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and I'm talking about the AI chatbots. And you've

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seen me work with chat GPT primarily. And I'm

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trying to model how to use those responsibly.

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And thus far, the chat bots have been a good

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assist. They've helped me to notice some things

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that I might not have otherwise noticed, but...

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I don't feel like I've been able to really just

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like hand it over to the chatbot, especially

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because the paleography is so difficult. Well,

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there's been a development, and in this process

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of going through and looking at how the year

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progressed day by day for Joan and Violant,

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I'm also simultaneously charting how the technology

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available for me from the AI, well I don't know

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what you want to call it, the AI wave that's

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hitting, how that is changing throughout the

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course of this year. And today I'm sharing with

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you the results of the latest Google Gemini release.

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I had heard that Gemini 3 was a big deal, but

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I hadn't really played around with it. There

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had been a time last year at the end of the year

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when I was really disappointed with Gemini when

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it came to some of its analysis, and so I've

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kind of been a little shy to go back to Gemini.

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But then I was having a conversation in the Amaranth

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Digital Humanities Studio at the University of

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New Mexico, my workplace. I'm the studio manager

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of Amaranth. Check it out. It's a link on my

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website. If you haven't visited the website for

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Amaranth, check it out. Well, I was having a

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conversation there with my dissertation advisor,

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Fred Gibbs. He said, you know what? Gemini is

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really strong with the analysis and generation

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of images. See if it can handle the paleography.

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And I was skeptical, but holy cow, I am here

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to report to you all that I... cropped today's

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document from the image of folio 132 R in register

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1822. I uploaded it into Gemini, hopefully not

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in a gross violation of the rules from Pares,

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but this is, I mean, this is a big deal. This

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is an educational endeavor that, I mean, the

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the benefits totally outweigh the detriments

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in possibly not using this document in a way

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that is what the folks at Pares would be comfortable

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with because it was able to transcribe this document

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with all of the paleography and the abbreviations

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with like a 90 % or higher accuracy. And it did

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mess up a couple things, but when I corrected

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those couple things, it then gave me a transcription

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that it could then in turn translate from the

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Latin. And I've tested out some of the phrases,

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and it looks like... it did an accurate job of

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translating. And I will tell you that I did my

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due diligence because I'm currently in a Latin

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study group, and that's led by Dr. Timothy Graham,

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one of the premier Latinists, not just at the

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University of New Mexico, but in the United States.

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he leads our group through different documents

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that we get to choose and this month I've been

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able to submit to the group a document from actually

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February 28th. The February 28th episode is going

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to be about the document that the Latin group

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is working on and so we transcribed and translated

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it and I then tested Gemini and Google Gemini

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produced pretty much the same product in terms

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of transcription and translation that our Latin

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group did. So to say that this is a breakthrough

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is an understatement. There's just this gigantic

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benefit of being able to get to the meaning of

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these documents so much more quickly. I'm not

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going to hand over everything to Google Gemini,

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but For example, in today's document, which I

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did, as I said before, upload onto Gemini, I

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have a crystal clear understanding of at least

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the general topic, and I do not have to worry

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that I've got the general topic wrong. When it

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comes to the exact valence of the translation,

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there's definitely going to be areas where it's

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just not correct, but in terms of, like, if I

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spent two days on this document, that's how long

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it would take me to get to where Gemini got,

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and I would probably not do better because Latin

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is just so darn challenging. which I've explained

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about why on this podcast before, so I'm not

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going to go into that anymore. So this is February,

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and we're already at this level of technological

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sophistication with handling the 14th century

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paleography of the secretarial hand, the cursive,

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right? It's not even like the kind of paleography

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that could have been made with with a printing

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press because it's so exact and careful. There's

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a lot of in this document you can see there's

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wormholes and there's a lot of places where the

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scribe was just you know ambiguous in the way

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that the letter was written and Gemini 3 was

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able to handle that. It's just really it's astonishing

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and what's going to happen I said we're in February.

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Where are we going to be in July? Where are we

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going to be in October of this year in terms

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of the power of these tools? So that's something

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that I'm charting as we go. And it's part of

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the project because how history gets made is

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going to change because of AI. The principles

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behind the choices that we make and the information

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that we work from, those are not going to change.

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It's all the same documentary record and it's

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all the same sets of tools and interpretive lenses

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and the expertise of knowing which questions

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to ask. That all is the same, so AI is not taking

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over the writing of history unless you want really

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bad history. But it's assisting those with the

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expertise in order to get to some stuff more

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quickly and from a different angle. But... you

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always have to keep in mind that doing it the

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old way will get you some different results that

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can be just as interesting. So we shouldn't be

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talking about wholesale replacement of methods

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here. Hopefully there will be plenty of people

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that want to keep using the traditional methods

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and we need them in order to help catch when

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the new methods are making a mistake. So what

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is this document about? Goodness, we're all the

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way into this episode, and I haven't even talked

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about the document. Well, that just happens sometimes.

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This document is a really great window into interfaith

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encounter in the 14th century Crown of Aragon.

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And anybody who's interested in the history of

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Jews in medieval Iberia should look at this document.

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and look at it in context with some of the work,

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some of the foundational work of Yitzhak Baer,

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who wrote about the town just a little bit in

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his two -volume history of the Jews in Christian

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Spain all the way back from the 1950s. He wrote

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about Alcañiz. Alcañiz is a town about 90 kilometers

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southeast of Zaragoza. And there is a very significant

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Jewish community in that town. And it actually

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produced later on, when we get into the beginning

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of the 15th century, a figure who was very prominent

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in the Disputation of Tortosa. And that was an

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event in which the conversos, those who had converted

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from Judaism to Christianity, had a debate with

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Jews who had not converted. And so the process

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of conversion and the pressure to convert is

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already something that's going to be starting

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in the late 14th century. It really picks up

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after 1391. So we are before that 1391 dividing

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line. Why is 1391 a dividing line? Because there

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was a massive wave of anti -Jewish riots. in

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1391. It started in Castile. It quickly spread

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into the Crown of Aragon, where people just decided

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we're gonna riot and take the property of the

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Jews, get into violent altercations, murders.

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It was awful, and the whole explanation of that

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is one that completely contradicts the convivencia

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narrative. of the history of medieval Spain,

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and it's not like it marks the end of Convivencia

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because there was always conflict in the interfaith

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encounter between Christians, Jews, and Muslims

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in medieval Spain. There was also always cooperation.

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It's just a question of what was winning out

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and why at different times. So the mass movement

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of the anti -Jewish riots in 1391 is its own

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separate topic of study from, I would say, a

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historical sociology point of view. And it's

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an interesting one, and please read Benjamin

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Gampel's book. It's just so good, and it's about

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the royal response, so it's really prominently

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about Joan and Violant. All right, the town

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of Alcañiz was also written about more recently

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by a Spanish historian Carlos Laliena Corbera,

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and I'll put a link to that article in the bibliography

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on the web page. There were, according to the

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documents that Laliena Corbera analyzed, there

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were about 300 to 600 people in the Jewish quarter

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in Alcañiz around 1370. So it was about 60 families.

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And by the middle of the 1300s, some of the members

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of that community had become very large bankers,

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you could say, and moneylenders. So there's that

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stereotype of the Jewish moneylender that is

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so easy to fall into. Just keep in mind that

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this was a segment of the population that had

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gotten involved in lending money to the larger

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community members around Alcañiz. It doesn't

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describe the entirety of the Jewish community

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at all. However, something that does inform what

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happens in this document is that by the middle

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of the 1300s, there were many Christian peasants

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who owed money to Jews in the town of Alcañiz.

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So that's all work laying that out. That's been

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done by Laliena Corbera. What do we see in this

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document here? It's by Violant. The recipient

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is a certain Berengario Eximeno, who is somehow

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connected in official capacity to a Petri De

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Calada. Calumada, maybe. I'm not quite sure what

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the expansion of that abbreviation is in the

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name that reads as Calada. So I think this letter

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is to both of them, but maybe not. The official

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title of Berenguerio Eximeno is confusing because

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it looks like it should be lieutenant like locum

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tenses but the the letters don't quite add up

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to that in terms of there's an s in the middle

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it seems to me so this is where gemini was just

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not having it i was like no that cannot be locum

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tenses but maybe that was maybe there is some

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kind of other way of writing out locum tenses

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this letter is a cease and desist letter in fact

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the word appears in line 9. So what's going on

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is that these officials who are, it seems, employees,

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officials of the royal family of the Crown of

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Aragon, are doing some kind of unjust seizure

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of property or fines. some kind of money is being

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taken from the Jewish community. And the Jewish

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community known as the Aljama has written or

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informed through messenger. It's not sure. I'm

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not sure how Violant knows, but she uses the word

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intellectimos. We have learned, we have understood

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that this is happening and you need to stop.

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And so this is a direct order to this official.

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to stop carrying out whatever kinds of property

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seizures or confiscations are going on. So here

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we have an example of the Aljama appealing

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directly to the head of the royal family, really,

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like the queen, saying, we are being mistreated

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by your officials. Please help us." And Violant

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is helping. This is a pattern that we see again

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and again and again. It also crops up during

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the 1391 anti -Jewish riots, where the royal

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family is sending people, directing people, in

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order to restrain the injustice that is happening.

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to the Aljamas and individual Jews all throughout

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the kingdom. There's a financial incentive for

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this because the tax revenue from the Aljamas

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was supposed to be going directly to the coffers

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of the state and did not and it bypassed the

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municipality which is you know one of these background

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reasons for for the resentment that was building.

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So here we again see Violant relating as a royal,

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like others in the royal family did, relating

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to the Jewish community as what's been called

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by them at the time the royal treasure. They

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referred to the Jews of the land as the royal

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treasure. So, in fact, there's a whole book by

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John Boswell called The Royal Treasure about,

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I think that one might focus on the Muslims actually,

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but about the religious minorities in the Crown

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of Aragon and their financial connections to

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the royal family. So that is today's document,

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a really good window into interfaith encounter

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in the 14th century Crown of Aragon. But also

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methodologically, this one is kind of a turning

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point in the podcast where I'm going to be going

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to Gemini to get some transcriptions in the upcoming

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episodes. And I'll tell you more about that as

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I evaluate those. Thanks for listening to this

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episode of the Historian's Notebook, Season 1

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Molt Cara Companyona. If you are leaving with

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more questions than you arrived with, I have

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done my job. Remember, the motto of the Historian's

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Notebook is dissatisfaction guaranteed. Visit

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the website to see an image of today's document.

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and additional show notes, lots of bibliographic

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citations, and a copy of the transcript that

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I got from Google Gemini 3. And listen again

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tomorrow to hear about the next day in the first

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year of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and

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Queen Violant de Bar. In the meantime, take

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care.
