WEBVTT 00:00:00.140 --> 00:00:04.980 Hello. In the Crown of Aragon, 639 years ago, 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:11.240 it was February 11, 1387. My name is Jonathan 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.740 Seyfried. I'm a PhD candidate in history at the 00:00:14.740 --> 00:00:18.280 University of New Mexico. And this is the Historian's 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:22.559 Notebook, a podcast about how history gets made. 00:00:23.179 --> 00:00:26.870 Season one is titled Molt Cara Companyona. We're 00:00:26.870 --> 00:00:29.690 looking at a document from each day of the first 00:00:29.690 --> 00:00:33.890 year of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and 00:00:33.890 --> 00:00:37.810 Queen Violant de Bar. Let's begin today's 00:00:37.810 --> 00:01:05.760 document. Today's episode is another development 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:10.980 in a case that we've been tracing since day one 00:01:10.980 --> 00:01:16.159 of this podcast So this episode is about the 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.459 sexual assault that took place in Montpellier 00:01:19.459 --> 00:01:25.780 and I decided to keep the usual jaunty opening 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:29.519 music today because i'm not going into details 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.260 about the case itself what we're looking at here 00:01:33.260 --> 00:01:40.400 is the effort to have the perpetrators the rapists 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.739 get away with it and so i was kind of on the 00:01:43.739 --> 00:01:47.219 fence i was like oh whenever i am talking about 00:01:47.219 --> 00:01:53.099 this i just don't like the jaunty upbeat opening 00:01:53.099 --> 00:01:57.780 music that is the music for this season, but 00:01:57.780 --> 00:02:02.719 in this case, because we're not going to be going 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:08.800 into detail about the crime itself, I felt like 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.939 it's appropriate still to have the usual opening 00:02:13.939 --> 00:02:17.219 music. But it's something that I think about 00:02:17.219 --> 00:02:21.680 and there's going to be other instances where 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:28.240 a document is going to be discussing some cruelty, 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.960 some really awful things that have happened to 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:36.819 people, and I will make that judgment call about, 00:02:37.219 --> 00:02:40.639 ooh, I don't think that upbeat, happy music is 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.620 the right tone to set for the topic. Today's 00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:49.740 document is a continuation of the effort on the 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:54.819 part of the powerful allies of the rapists to 00:02:54.819 --> 00:03:01.419 get them released from jail in Montpellier. And 00:03:01.419 --> 00:03:06.919 I just want to note here that it's been 48 days 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:14.460 since the letter from Violante on December 25th, 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:20.020 New Year's Day. ordering the officials in Montpellier 00:03:20.020 --> 00:03:26.419 to release these students. I've learned a little 00:03:26.419 --> 00:03:30.639 bit about the case since then, so there's a lot 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:36.039 to say in today's episode. And then also there's 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:41.319 a very detailed examination of a phrase in Latin 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:46.250 that I'm going to want to share with you. and 00:03:46.250 --> 00:03:50.490 it'll help you understand why Latin can be so 00:03:50.490 --> 00:03:56.330 difficult. First of all, I want to situate the 00:03:56.330 --> 00:03:59.009 document itself. And actually, today we're talking 00:03:59.009 --> 00:04:03.530 about three documents. On February 11th, Violant 00:04:03.530 --> 00:04:09.870 wrote three letters. The first one is in Catalan. 00:04:10.129 --> 00:04:14.509 It's addressed to the officials of Montpellier. 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:20.240 The second one is addressed to the Bishop of 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.220 Maguelone, which I think is the ecclesiastical 00:04:25.220 --> 00:04:29.040 authority for the region around Montpellier. 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:35.160 And then the third is addressed to a set of officials 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.639 that are somehow part of the administration, 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:46.759 the ecclesiastical administration of the Bishopric 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:53.740 of Maguelone. So it's a little bit difficult to 00:04:53.740 --> 00:04:58.759 figure out why two Latin letters are necessary 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.660 here, but, and they're sort of similar, and then 00:05:03.660 --> 00:05:06.610 there's some interesting slight differences between 00:05:06.610 --> 00:05:08.750 the two Latin letters. One going to the bishop 00:05:08.750 --> 00:05:13.430 himself, it seems, and then the other going to 00:05:13.430 --> 00:05:16.889 the set of administrators that might be involved 00:05:16.889 --> 00:05:21.910 in ecclesiastical justice in that institution 00:05:21.910 --> 00:05:28.790 of the Cathedral of Maguelone. All right, these 00:05:28.790 --> 00:05:32.829 are in the secret seal register, and there's 00:05:32.829 --> 00:05:35.600 some interesting differences at the end of each 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:40.699 letter in the way that the type of seal is described. 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:48.519 And in the Catalan letter, it's listed as Sigell 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:54.040 Secret Acostument. In the first Latin letter, 00:05:54.120 --> 00:06:00.800 to the bishop himself, in Latin, Sigillo Secreto 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:05.970 Assueto. And then in the second Latin letter, 00:06:06.389 --> 00:06:15.949 siguelo solito secreto. I don't exactly know 00:06:15.949 --> 00:06:22.569 the differences between these and what might... 00:06:22.569 --> 00:06:24.910 maybe the first and second one are the same. 00:06:25.129 --> 00:06:28.470 But I'm still trying to figure that out. But 00:06:28.470 --> 00:06:31.209 I did want to note that the that we've got slightly 00:06:31.209 --> 00:06:35.990 different descriptions of the seal level. And 00:06:35.990 --> 00:06:40.170 now we can move on to the content of the letters. 00:06:40.170 --> 00:06:45.629 And remember, the accused rapists have been in 00:06:45.629 --> 00:06:51.050 the criminal justice system of Montpellier for 00:06:51.050 --> 00:06:57.170 48 days and I think they've been in jail for 00:06:57.170 --> 00:07:01.629 48 days because the first letter that we have 00:07:01.629 --> 00:07:05.470 in this set of three, the one in Catalan, Violant 00:07:05.470 --> 00:07:10.029 is asking them for asking the officials of Montpellier 00:07:10.029 --> 00:07:14.089 to release them. And it sounds like release them 00:07:14.089 --> 00:07:18.170 from imprisonment. So what I really like about 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:23.900 this is that Violant is not successful. that 00:07:23.900 --> 00:07:29.240 Joan was not successful, and that maybe the 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.459 Duc de Berry, who's effectively the ruler of 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:35.220 France right now, looked at this situation and 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:38.459 said, maybe not. Maybe I'm not gonna lift a finger 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:44.779 to help these accused rapists. Maybe he did, 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:50.519 but it's really difficult for me to... figure 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:55.120 out how you've got these extremely politically 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:00.279 powerful figures who are using their influence 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:07.620 to get these accused rapists released from jail, 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:14.399 and they have not been successful. It's kind 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:19.699 of a point in favor, a major point in favor of 00:08:19.699 --> 00:08:24.180 these officials of Montpellier. I mean, I don't 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:28.660 know what kind of level of pressure they feel 00:08:28.660 --> 00:08:34.940 when they're getting instructions from the king 00:08:34.940 --> 00:08:37.899 and queen of the Crown of Aragon and the Duc 00:08:37.899 --> 00:08:40.720 de Berry, the most powerful person in France, 00:08:41.179 --> 00:08:46.649 to release these accused rapists and then they're 00:08:46.649 --> 00:08:51.029 like, no, we're not doing it. And it's almost 00:08:51.029 --> 00:08:57.169 50 days that they're defying these pressure campaigns. 00:08:58.350 --> 00:09:02.889 So it's really a very interesting development 00:09:02.889 --> 00:09:08.950 to see that almost 50 days later, the officials 00:09:08.950 --> 00:09:16.230 of Montpellier are insisting on a criminal justice 00:09:16.230 --> 00:09:22.929 process for these students. I also have in the 00:09:22.929 --> 00:09:30.509 meantime found out that Ramon de Soler is a very 00:09:30.509 --> 00:09:36.570 high up person in the treasury for Joan and Violant. 00:09:36.909 --> 00:09:40.169 I think that when Violant was the Duchess of 00:09:40.169 --> 00:09:47.250 Girona, Ramon de Soler was her treasurer her 00:09:47.250 --> 00:09:51.629 top treasurer not super sure about that one but 00:09:51.629 --> 00:09:55.169 he is high up in the financial administration 00:09:55.169 --> 00:10:00.409 of the government of the Crown of Aragon. We 00:10:00.409 --> 00:10:04.190 see the name Ramon de Soler in these letters 00:10:04.190 --> 00:10:07.629 because I'm pretty sure that we're talking about 00:10:07.629 --> 00:10:11.889 the son of that treasury figure. So it's like 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:18.809 Ramon de Soler Jr. is a law student in Montpellier 00:10:18.809 --> 00:10:23.659 and it's him, and it seems like a singular friend, 00:10:23.779 --> 00:10:27.019 so it seems like there's two people, which is 00:10:27.019 --> 00:10:31.860 a new detail. It was vague in the letters from 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:37.679 a month -ish ago, and so now we've got specifically 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:42.379 in the third line of Violant's Catalan letter 00:10:42.379 --> 00:10:46.259 to Montpellier officials in the third line, it 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:51.379 very clearly says one of his companions. So we 00:10:51.379 --> 00:10:55.779 don't have the name of this friend of Ramon de 00:10:55.779 --> 00:11:00.360 Soler Jr., but it seems like we're talking about 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:09.399 two students who were the rapists in this situation. 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:15.919 So as I'm looking at these letters, there were 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:21.769 a couple difficult terms that I had to engage 00:11:21.769 --> 00:11:24.509 with. One of them was in the Catalan letter. 00:11:24.809 --> 00:11:27.169 I'm just going to, if you're interested in the 00:11:27.169 --> 00:11:30.570 details of that one, I'm going to point you to 00:11:30.570 --> 00:11:35.590 the transcript that I'm going to put onto the 00:11:35.590 --> 00:11:41.330 webpage for this document because the beginning 00:11:41.330 --> 00:11:46.870 of my work with ChatGPT was working on that one 00:11:46.870 --> 00:11:51.909 Catalan term. figured out it's a descriptor for 00:11:51.909 --> 00:11:56.690 Ramon de Soler Jr. and his studies that it just 00:11:56.690 --> 00:11:59.450 kind of confirms that he's a student at the law 00:11:59.450 --> 00:12:02.269 school in Montpellier. If you're interested in 00:12:02.269 --> 00:12:05.389 the details on that, you can look at the transcript 00:12:05.389 --> 00:12:09.730 of my conversation with the chat GPT. I wanted 00:12:09.730 --> 00:12:17.940 to focus on a Latin phrase. And In this Latin 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:22.220 phrase, which is on the fourth line of the second 00:12:22.220 --> 00:12:33.120 Latin letter, so it's on folio F82V, the students 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:41.399 are being described and the situation is being 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:47.480 introduced. Well, I'll just read out the whole 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:52.500 sentence in Latin. It actually begins at the 00:12:52.500 --> 00:13:02.759 very end of the second line. And then I've got 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:05.220 a word that I don't quite know how to expand. 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:32.220 Montem Pesulare. That's Montpelier. Vecapridiae 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:43.320 contra eos occonem nonllorem delictore. And a 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.879 couple... some of that is wrong because I don't 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.820 I think it's occasionally I'm pretty sure that 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:53.659 the last and it's the last three words that are 00:13:53.659 --> 00:13:59.419 really sticking with me so we have contra eos 00:13:59.419 --> 00:14:05.799 before the last three words of the sentence so 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:12.960 against them so there's been a prosecution against 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:16.019 them. That's, I think, what's being described 00:14:16.019 --> 00:14:21.840 that the consuls, the people in charge of Montpellier 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.820 have been carrying out some kind of criminal 00:14:25.820 --> 00:14:31.919 justice against them. And the three words that 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.740 follow, I think I spent like an hour and a half 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:39.259 on those three words. because i just wasn't sure 00:14:39.259 --> 00:14:43.519 about the first of the three which reads o c 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.139 c o n e with a macron i'm pretty sure now that 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:53.840 that's occasion occasion is the english cognate 00:14:53.840 --> 00:15:00.379 and then the middle word i was thinking possibly 00:15:00.379 --> 00:15:04.299 it started with n -o -u but eventually i got 00:15:04.299 --> 00:15:08.860 to being pretty sure that it starts with n -o 00:15:08.860 --> 00:15:18.159 -n and that it stands for non lorem and the third 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:21.919 word is pretty clear but there was that long 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.460 trail off of the e at the end which made me think 00:15:24.460 --> 00:15:28.360 maybe there's an m being added there but then 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:32.299 what i came to after a while was that since there's 00:15:32.299 --> 00:15:36.129 what looks like a period underneath the long 00:15:36.129 --> 00:15:41.789 upward trail of the end of the e that it's actually 00:15:41.789 --> 00:15:46.669 the sort of slash like the punctuation that's 00:15:46.669 --> 00:15:50.409 sort of like a comma and indicating the end of 00:15:50.409 --> 00:15:55.929 a phrase and before the word that i think is 00:15:55.929 --> 00:16:03.710 ocassione there's a sort of curved slash So I 00:16:03.710 --> 00:16:07.470 think the scribe is indicating that these three 00:16:07.470 --> 00:16:11.509 words, they've got like a comma before them. 00:16:11.809 --> 00:16:15.590 So they're describing the eos, or maybe they're 00:16:15.590 --> 00:16:23.450 describing the feta. I think it's feta. And so 00:16:23.450 --> 00:16:30.610 the process, I'm not quite sure, but I got stuck 00:16:30.610 --> 00:16:37.169 on a very tricky vocabulary piece for Latin, 00:16:37.389 --> 00:16:44.330 which is that if you have the word delictore 00:16:44.330 --> 00:16:53.210 with an I after the L, it is talking about a 00:16:53.210 --> 00:17:00.799 crime. If you actually have an E, And all the 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.539 other letters can be pretty much the same. If 00:17:04.539 --> 00:17:08.960 you have Dilectus, for example, you're talking 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.279 about someone who is well -esteemed or even beloved. 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.420 So we've seen actually at the beginning of some 00:17:16.420 --> 00:17:19.859 of the Latin letters, Dilectum or something like 00:17:19.859 --> 00:17:22.440 that, saying, you know, you're a well -esteemed 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.559 person. So I mistranscribed that at one point 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.700 in my chat with, chat GPT, and that led into 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:35.640 this whole just, you know, wild goose chase on 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:41.420 thinking that maybe this was not about a crime, 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.259 this phrase, but was instead about someone who's 00:17:44.259 --> 00:17:47.059 well esteemed. And it just it ballooned the amount 00:17:47.059 --> 00:17:52.099 of time that I was working on this. So this word 00:17:52.099 --> 00:17:58.420 is undoubtedly about some kind of crime. and 00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:02.099 I think that the meaning of it is the phrase 00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:07.880 overall that on the occasion of some certain 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:16.660 crime and the word nonllorem means a certain 00:18:16.660 --> 00:18:23.779 or a few but then delictore is not plural so 00:18:23.779 --> 00:18:28.250 the whole phrase is just so troublesome because 00:18:28.250 --> 00:18:33.730 occasionem can mean by reason of like on occasion 00:18:33.730 --> 00:18:39.769 of or it can mean like a pretext so depending 00:18:39.769 --> 00:18:45.109 how you read this phrase Violant could be asserting 00:18:45.109 --> 00:18:51.589 that she thinks it's a pretext or she could be 00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:55.809 saying Just in vague terms, there was just some 00:18:55.809 --> 00:19:00.650 crime committed. I am leaning towards the second. 00:19:00.869 --> 00:19:04.230 I don't believe that Violant would go so far 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:08.670 as to say that the officials have come up with 00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:12.910 some pretext to imprison these students. I think 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:15.589 that at this point, Violante knows full well 00:19:15.589 --> 00:19:20.579 that if her will and Joan's will has been 00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:24.559 ignored for 50 days that the officials of Montpellier 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:30.180 are not doing that just out of some kind of falsified 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:34.019 charge. I think she's well aware of what she's 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:40.700 doing here when she's asking for the extrication 00:19:40.700 --> 00:19:47.769 of these rapists from the justice system in Montpellier. 00:19:49.029 --> 00:19:56.890 And it really is icky, right? A reminder that 00:19:56.890 --> 00:19:59.809 when we're focusing on particular historical 00:19:59.809 --> 00:20:02.990 subjects that are really interesting, it doesn't 00:20:02.990 --> 00:20:06.910 mean that we are rooting for them all the time 00:20:06.910 --> 00:20:10.750 or that they're heroes. It just means that we 00:20:10.750 --> 00:20:15.920 are focusing on them and a lot of what they do 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:22.019 is something that we can praise or accord with 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:24.680 some kind of positive value according to our 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.859 own modern standards and then other things they 00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:30.839 do according to our modern standards we would 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.200 find morally reprehensible. So one last thing 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:41.079 to talk about with the snapshot that we're getting 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:46.049 about this Montpellier sexual assault case, it 00:20:46.049 --> 00:20:49.230 seems as though there's action taking place about 00:20:49.230 --> 00:20:54.509 jurisdiction that possibly the ecclesiastical 00:20:54.509 --> 00:20:57.549 authorities are starting to get involved more. 00:20:57.789 --> 00:21:01.309 And that's why we've got two Latin letters to 00:21:01.309 --> 00:21:09.390 the bishop of, what was it, Maguelon. And so 00:21:09.390 --> 00:21:13.420 maybe Violant is hoping now that the ecclesiastical 00:21:13.420 --> 00:21:16.220 authorities are getting more involved, that she 00:21:16.220 --> 00:21:20.779 can maybe have the ecclesiastical authorities 00:21:20.779 --> 00:21:26.039 use their position to take over the case. Like 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.099 maybe there's this possibility that if we just 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.650 switch jurisdictions, if we switch court systems 00:21:32.650 --> 00:21:36.910 and move from whatever is in Montpellier into 00:21:36.910 --> 00:21:41.869 the regional ecclesiastical system, then maybe 00:21:41.869 --> 00:21:47.890 my influence will work and this son of my high 00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:53.269 -up official will get released. I don't know. 00:21:53.289 --> 00:21:56.289 That's just my guess of what's going on. I'm 00:21:56.289 --> 00:22:00.809 not sure if the officials of Montpellier have 00:22:00.809 --> 00:22:09.470 agreed to hand over the accused rapists to the 00:22:09.470 --> 00:22:15.369 authorities of the bishop of Maguelon or whether 00:22:15.369 --> 00:22:18.289 the officials of Montpellier are resisting that 00:22:18.289 --> 00:22:21.509 and saying they're just gonna stay in our jail 00:22:21.509 --> 00:22:25.759 and I don't know the typical timeline of how 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:29.700 long it takes to have a case like this adjudicated. 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:37.359 It's been about 50 days, and so possibly this 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:42.440 is typical, and possibly they're dragging their 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.059 feet and they're just keeping them in jail and 00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:49.559 trying to figure out how they're going to get 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.940 through this. And certainly if they proceed into 00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:57.380 some kind of trial, then it's going to escalate 00:22:57.380 --> 00:23:00.700 the situation. So it's possible that they've 00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.400 stayed in jail because the officials of Montpellier 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.960 don't want to risk some kind of further escalation. 00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:08.779 So they're just keeping them in jail and not 00:23:08.779 --> 00:23:13.079 moving forward with things. But I think the really 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:17.619 interesting takeaway here for me is that we have 00:23:17.619 --> 00:23:21.779 this pushback. from the officials of Montpellier, 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:31.339 and that if you are a high up person and you 00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:36.259 perpetrate a sexual assault, that in this particular 00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:41.480 time and place, you are not going to be immediately 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.079 successful when you activate your influence network. 00:23:45.769 --> 00:23:49.269 and you're not going to have an immediate get 00:23:49.269 --> 00:23:51.630 out of jail free card. Who knows what happens 00:23:51.630 --> 00:23:55.990 further down the road, but to me it's a pretty 00:23:55.990 --> 00:23:59.210 encouraging thing thinking about the justice 00:23:59.210 --> 00:24:04.509 system in medieval Montpellier in late 14th century 00:24:04.509 --> 00:24:15.599 to see that there's been resistance to the powers 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.200 that are pressuring those officials to just let 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:24.599 them go. Thanks for listening to this episode 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.140 of the Historian's Notebook, Season 1, Molt Cara 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:31.380 Companyona. If you are leaving with more questions 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:34.920 than you arrived with, I have done my job. Remember, 00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:39.420 the motto of the Historian's Notebook is dissatisfaction 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:42.920 guaranteed. visit the website to see an image 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.240 of today's document and additional show notes, 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:51.440 and a long transcript of my chat GPT conversation, 00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:56.000 and listen again tomorrow to hear about the next 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.299 day in the first year of the reign of King Joan 00:24:59.299 --> 00:25:03.940 I of Aragon and Queen Violant de Bar. In the 00:25:03.940 --> 00:25:05.680 meantime, take care.