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Hello. In the Crown of Aragon 639 years ago,

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it was January 31, 1387. My name is Jonathan

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Seyfried. I'm a PhD candidate in history at the

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University of New Mexico. And this is the Historian's

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Notebook, a podcast about how history gets made.

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Season one is titled Molt Cara Companyona. We're

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looking at a document from each day of the first

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year of the reign of King Joan I of Aragon and

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Queen Violant de Bar. Let's begin today's

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document. So I've been pretty consistent with

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sticking to one document today, one that was

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written on that day in 1387, and today it's going

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to get a little bit weird because, well, I couldn't

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resist looking at another document that's on

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the same folio as the one that I'm calling January

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31st's document. But also today's document, its

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date, is just weird. So it's very clear to me

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that the scribe in the last line of this letter

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wrote XXX. And then three short strokes. So we've

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got a problem with minimums again, because this

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could be. V I possibly or it could be three I's.

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And so the the descender on the last of the three

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minimums makes it so that it cannot be. IV. So

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we've got two choices three I's or VI. Three

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I's would make it 33. The three X's plus the

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three I's 33. The VI would make it 36. And while

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the people of the crown of Aragon in 1387 were

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shifting New Year's Day to December. I mean,

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we have shifted it to January for everyone's

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shifting New Year's Day in medieval Europe. That's

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just something everybody does. So they've chosen

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to put New Year's Day as December 25th. And so

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there seems to be some kind of comfort with wiggle

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room when it comes to dates, this is a bridge

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too far. They would never have added additional

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days to January. They would not have had a January

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33rd or a January 36th. So my guess is that what's

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really going on here is that the scribe has meant

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for that third X to be a V and the actual intended

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date of this letter is January 28th. But I'm

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going to use this for January 31st because it's

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a really interesting letter with a lot going

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on and the same folio has another letter all

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the way back from January 6th that I really want

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to talk about. I just couldn't resist. So we

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are breaking from the usual rules. They're not

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like hard and fast rules. I've already had a

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moment where I've done a little bit of massaging

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of the process. But today we're going to really

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massage the process and we're just going to say

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this is our document for January 31st. There

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aren't a ton of January 31st documents to choose

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from, and so it's not like I'm. skipping one

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that would be really revelatory so hopefully

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you can just roll with me here and because the

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scribe went all kinds of weird on the date of

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this I think it's some kind of signal from the

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archive universe the kind of I don't know cross

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-temporal spirit of the archive telling me that

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I should be free to talk about this letter on

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January 31st. You gotta also keep in mind that,

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you know, all this stuff is overlapping, and

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so when I'm talking about a letter that's dated

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on a certain day, it really could have been...

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composed or worked on or thought about in the

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days leading up to it. So occasionally it's very

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important to associate what happened on a particular

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day with a document's date, and in other times

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there is wiggle room. So I don't want to give

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the wrong impression that it's all just loosey

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-goosey, because occasionally, and we'll actually

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see this in one of the episodes coming up, there's

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a reference back to what happened on a certain

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day. And so they did dedicate themselves to being

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accurate with the date and to... placing the

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record in line with what was actually happening

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and signed off on on a particular day. At the

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same time, you see some weird stuff sometimes,

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like this is clearly a character, the third in

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the date. looks like an X. And there's just no

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way that any scribe in the chancery at the time

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would look at that and say, oh, yeah, that's

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a V. So it's just weird. This is just weird.

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Another thing I want to mention while I'm talking

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about my process of doing a document today is

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that it's got some flaws and it's got some benefits

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in terms of trying to get an accurate picture

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of what was going on. The number one flaw is

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that there could have been a day, well in fact

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I know there have been a few days, where there

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are multiple letters that are revelatory and

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important for understanding my big question of

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how Joan and Violant related to each other.

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So I really could have set up this podcast as

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really only looking at the month of January.

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And we could have gone through and looked at

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every single letter written in these registers

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for the month of January. I think that would

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have filled quite a long period of time, maybe

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not. 365 days, but it would have it would have

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been a lot. My speculation is that there's probably

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150 to 300 letters that were written in January

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that are in the archive of the Crown of Aragon.

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So that was an option, but then I would have

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missed a lot of interesting stuff like One of

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the letters that Violant writes in April, which

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has been cited by a bunch of historians, is about

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the illness that Joan went through in January.

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So there's a little bit of this overlap in terms

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of how the letters from one part of the year

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can inform a different part of the year, but

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then there's also other events later on in the

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year that would be really interesting to look

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at regarding my main question of how Joan and

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Violant related to each other as they established

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their reign. So with the limit of time that the

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historian has, you're a little bit stuck. You

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have to make these really tough choices where

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you know that if you go one direction with how

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you spend your time with the documents, you're

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going to get an interesting result that helps

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you answer your question. And then if you go

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in another direction with how you spend your

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time, you're going to get a different view. So

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this is part of why it's really important to

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think of the work of historians as a cooperative

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knowledge building process. You might have heard

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Shadow in the background there agreeing with

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my emphasis on the writing of history as a cooperative

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knowledge building process. So what I'm trying

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to really emphasize here is that I rely on the

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expertise of other historians from the last 100

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years, and I can't go to the archive and just

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use my own time to establish some kind of truth

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claim. I have to... weave together what I'm seeing

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with the information that has come from others'

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expertise and then in the future people will

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do the same for what I have contributed. So we're

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in this mission that is absolutely one that is

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impossible because not only do we have the challenge

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of trying to interpret the words on the page

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that we encounter from this record that's over

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600 years old, we also have the limitations of

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just what a single person is able to do in terms

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of their own time. So with all that said, I'm

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already massively into the time of this episode,

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but I thought it was really good to return to

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my process. And let's talk about the document

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that is dated some kind of wonky date. It is

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written by Violant. It is addressed to the So

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this is the Queen of Navarre. The Queen of Navarre

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is Eleanor of Castile. We haven't really talked

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too much about the relationship between Castile

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and the Crown of Aragon. It is at times very

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fraught and violent. So Pere the ceremonious

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at one point fought a war against the king of

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Castile who was known as Pedro the Cruel and

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that war is known as the War of the Two Pedros.

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So there's been wars And there's also been some

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cooperation, but there's kind of like this rough

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border between the Crown of Aragon and Castile.

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There was a lot of crossing of that border in

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terms of cultural diffusion, a little bit of

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migration, you could say, but in terms of whether

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we can really consider these two units as cooperative

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at the level of, say, how the Crown of Aragon

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cooperated with Navarre, we can't. So the Crown

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of Aragon was way closer to Navarre and had much

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better relations than it did with Castile. So

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we have this interesting moment where Violant,

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who's coming from France and doesn't really care

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too much about past animosities between the Crown

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of Aragon and Castile, is writing to her cousin,

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the Queen of Navarre. And remember, this is the

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person who's married to her buddy, Charles III,

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who she danced with too hard right back in the

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day. Well, that was like a year ago, a year prior,

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about a year prior. So in this letter, Violant

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is informing the Queen of Navarre that Pere has

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died, and she's also offering condolences for

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the loss of Charles II of Navarre, which happened

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pretty close to the same time as when Pere died,

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early January. And so she also makes a note in

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this letter of saying, hey, we kind of have this

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thing in common. We each had our father -in -law

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die you know just you know at the beginning of

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this month and that's you know this interesting

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moment of an attempt to bond and to solidify

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that commonality you kind of get the sense that

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she's not as affectionate toward the queen of

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navarre as she is toward the king I don't quite

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see as much of the personal touch here. Like

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she doesn't mention Jaume like she did in the

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letter to Charles. Another thing that's happening

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here is that this is way late. Like she wrote

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to Charles on January 20th. like at least eight

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days before about the death of Pere and she had

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to have known that Charles would have probably

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told his wife about that and and so she's kind

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of just in as a formality sending this information

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so that she's on record as caring to inform the

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Queen of Navarre of these events, but the fact

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that she's doing it at least eight days later,

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and I say eight because possibly the actual date

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of this letter is the 28th, that she's doing

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it later and at a time when the recipient of

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this letter likely already knows the information,

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it just kind of comes across to me like, almost

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like a CYA note. Like, uh -oh, I think I might

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have forgotten to include you in the whole series

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of letters that I sent out with this new information,

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and so I'd better write one to you too so that

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you don't feel like I was ignoring you and leaving

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you out of this moment of informing all of my

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important people of what's going on. That's maybe

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what's going on here. I don't know that there's

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any kind of, you know, problem that was being

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solved by this letter or if it was just routine.

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So once again, we just have an open question.

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Let's move on to the letter that appears above

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this on the folio. And again, I have to massage

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the rules of my process here. Because I want

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to go back in time to look at what this letter

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says. It's on the same page, but it is from January

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6th. So January 6th is the day that everybody.

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Has found out that the King has died. We know

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there's a lot of documentation that Pere's death

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occurred on January 5th. When did Violant find

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out about that? What time of day did the death

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happen? We don't know. The only thing we can

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be sure of is that by the 6th, Violant is basically,

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at this point, day one of being queen. And of

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course, Joan is day one of being king. This

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letter is really there's a lot going on, so I'm

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going to try to, you know, just highlight some

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of the really cool stuff in it. And then I used

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chat GPT to help me make sure that I was understanding

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certain things about it correctly, especially

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the name of the cloth that's mentioned in this

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letter that's used for a particular purpose.

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So, you can go onto the webpage for this episode,

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and you'll see that I transcribed, I think, everything

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in this letter, and had ChatGPT give its interpretation,

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and then I asked some follow -up questions. But,

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I'm just going to highlight a couple things.

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First, the last word on the first line is ANELLS.

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That is... What's being discussed here right

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away in this letter is the rings of the king,

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Los Anells del Señor Rey. And then later on in

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the letter, we see reference to the seals of

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the lordship. and the ring is connected. There's

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a ring that's connected to the seal. So what

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is pretty clear to me is that this letter is

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accompanying a delivery from Violant to Joan.

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Because, let's take a step back and talk about

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just the basic sourcing of this letter, Violent

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is writing to Joan. And she says that enclosed

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in this particular kind of cloth called canamaç

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are the rings of the king. And at least one of

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those rings has the seal, or a seal. Not sure

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if it's the same. kind of seal in terms of its

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design and its iconography as the secret seal

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that we see mentioned in all of the registers

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that are in that category. But there is some

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kind of ring that is related to the seal, and

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what Violent has done is wrapped them in this

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linen and sent them to Joan. So this is a really

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great moment where we can see material culture,

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the rings, symbolically representing the transfer

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of power from the dead king to the new king,

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and they're being delivered by somebody. It doesn't

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say who in this letter. So that is a really cool

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moment that I just could not resist talking about

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in today's episode because, oh my gosh, like

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I wish I could get some kind of picture of these

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rings. I wish they existed in some museum somewhere.

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One other thing that I want to mention about

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this letter is that we have the return format

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of Molt Cara Companyona. So Joan addresses Violant

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as Molt Cara Companyona, Most Dear Companion.

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It's the name of this season of the podcast.

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In the first line of this letter from January

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6th, we have Violant returning this sentiment,

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and the way she phrases it is, Lord husband.

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And we can read into that in one way and say,

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oh, she's using this word Lord, and that's underlining

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a kind of subordination or subservience. I'm

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not quite sure. I don't I don't think that it

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quite has that valence. If in today's time we

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heard a wife addressing her husband as Lord,

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we would say, whoa, something is really going

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on there with a statement of subordination. That

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particular woman is saying something that reinforces

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a subordinate role for her. But at this time,

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I think it didn't quite have that valence, that

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it was just kind of natural to say señor, and

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it wasn't as much of a reinforcement of subordination

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as it was just, you know, what you call your

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husband, just what you call your husband if you're

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wanting to be tender. So... the way that Joan

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uses the word companyona, I think that Violant

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uses the word señor. I'm not going to argue that

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to, you know, the nth degree, but I just want

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to raise it as my working hypothesis. That's

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kind of where I lean when I'm trying to interpret

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the choice of that word. All right. That does

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it for today's episode. You got two for the price

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of one! You got two letters today, and neither

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of them, I think, were actually from January

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31st. Woohoo! It's just, you know, going wild

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here on the Historian's Notebook. Thanks for

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listening to this episode of the Historian's

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Notebook, Season 1, Molt Cara Companyona. If

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you are leaving with more questions than you

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arrived with, I have done my job. Remember, the

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motto of the Historian's Notebook is dissatisfaction

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guaranteed. Visit the website to see an image

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of today's document and additional show notes,

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and listen again tomorrow to hear more about

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the next day in the first year of the reign of

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King Joan I of Aragon and Queen Violant de Bar.

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In the meantime, take care.
