WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.100 What's up, ladies and gents? This is Joey from 00:00:02.100 --> 00:00:05.080 Outlier, and you're listening to My Weekly Mixtape 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:19.839 with Brian Colburn. Turn it up. What is going 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.320 on, friends? Welcome to My Weekly Mixtape, the 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:24.739 show that takes the classic mixtape approach 00:00:24.739 --> 00:00:27.699 to building a modern playlist. I'm your host, 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.500 Brian Colburn. Joining me tonight is Joey Arena, 00:00:30.859 --> 00:00:33.880 lead singer of Outlier, who recently released 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:38.520 a cover of Cypress Hill's Rock Superstar featuring 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:42.780 Jairo the Hero and Cypress Hill's own Send Dog. 00:00:42.859 --> 00:00:45.240 Joey, thanks for joining me tonight, man. Thank 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.060 you for having me. Since this is your first time 00:00:48.060 --> 00:00:51.020 on the show, let's start with the basics. What 00:00:51.020 --> 00:00:56.420 does the word mixtape mean to you? So, obviously 00:00:56.420 --> 00:00:59.960 it's... putting all of what could be your favorite 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:02.039 songs together, but I feel like it's got to serve 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.859 a purpose. You know what I'm saying? Are you 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:07.140 giving a mixtape to a loved one? Is it your gym 00:01:07.140 --> 00:01:10.819 mixtape? What is the intent behind the creating 00:01:10.819 --> 00:01:14.680 of that mixtape? But I guess, generally speaking, 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.760 putting some of your favorite songs together, 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.780 though, that you can listen to on repeat. All 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:22.459 right. Well, let's get to the main event here 00:01:22.459 --> 00:01:44.849 tonight, Outlier's cover of Rock Superstar. First, 00:01:49.989 --> 00:01:52.489 Joey, I'd like to talk about some context here. 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.879 What's your personal history with Cypress Hills 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.879 music, the song rock superstar. And what did 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:02.379 that track mean to you when you first heard it? 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:06.519 And I can't believe I'm even saying this 25 years 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:11.639 ago. It's crazy to say that it is so crazy. So 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:16.460 I was young when it came out, but it takes me 00:02:16.460 --> 00:02:20.860 back to honestly, my buddy picking me up for. 00:02:21.340 --> 00:02:24.099 school you know all my friends were older so 00:02:24.099 --> 00:02:26.340 I always had buddies that were driving me to 00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:30.240 school and I remember the year that this song 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.539 came out and it was on every single radio station 00:02:33.539 --> 00:02:36.400 like 10 times a day whether it's a pop station 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.039 a rap station because they had the rap version 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.379 or you got the rock and metal stations and it 00:02:42.379 --> 00:02:45.379 was I just I loved it I would always play it 00:02:45.379 --> 00:02:47.560 you know and then we had like you know of course 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:50.240 we had CDs back then so we're playing it on on 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.340 disc and i love the track a lot it's so funny 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:55.599 though because i was still young as a musician 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:00.419 then so i i got to appreciate it as a fan versus 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:03.120 critiquing it as a musician later on in life 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:07.840 you know and being that slash had his hands in 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.759 on it and like you know for the i'm talking about 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:12.979 the rock version you got chino from deftones 00:03:12.979 --> 00:03:17.490 and everlast growing up in music I always felt 00:03:17.490 --> 00:03:19.569 like an outcast because I was always trying to 00:03:19.569 --> 00:03:21.930 do things. I always was trying to write for myself 00:03:21.930 --> 00:03:24.090 and do things that I wanted to do and push the 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:27.090 envelope and grow as a person and as a musician 00:03:27.090 --> 00:03:30.830 along the way. And it's all kind of by design. 00:03:31.050 --> 00:03:33.469 You know, like I look back on it all. It's all 00:03:33.469 --> 00:03:36.310 like when I was tracking that song and I got 00:03:36.310 --> 00:03:38.849 to sit and actually read the lyrics as I'm like 00:03:38.849 --> 00:03:42.030 rapping these lyrics and like, like, oh, my God, 00:03:42.090 --> 00:03:46.060 this is just so real. It's so true. you're going 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:49.560 to be hot one week and then take advantage of 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.759 it, live presently because somebody else is going 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.740 to be hot the week after. You know what I'm saying? 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.340 And that's all that it was and how the industry 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:59.659 is so grimy and so demanding of you. It just 00:03:59.659 --> 00:04:02.139 takes so much out of the musician. And I would 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:06.240 say that I feel that way. I would be lying if 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:07.819 I didn't have a little bit of jadedness. And 00:04:07.819 --> 00:04:10.280 I feel like every musician has some sort of jadedness 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.879 to them. the song is just very real and as i 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.879 got older i got to appreciate it even more lyrically 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.540 and um i just always felt it would be the perfect 00:04:20.540 --> 00:04:23.639 cover because it's just it's already a well -written 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.519 song and i wanted to see what i could do with 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:31.980 it in current production while paying tribute 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:35.120 to the original how i can make it my own you 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.360 know without going too off the rails though And 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.399 before we move deeper into the discussion, I 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:42.339 want to let the listeners know that even though 00:04:42.339 --> 00:04:44.620 we played a clip earlier, if you want to hear 00:04:44.620 --> 00:04:47.120 the whole song, it's available now on all streaming 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:50.540 services or via the show notes or the episode 00:04:50.540 --> 00:04:56.019 page at myweeklymixtape .com. So given your long 00:04:56.019 --> 00:04:58.779 history with this song, at what point did you 00:04:58.779 --> 00:05:02.019 sit down and decide, OK, I have to do an outlier 00:05:02.019 --> 00:05:07.329 version of this track? So I actually. recorded 00:05:07.329 --> 00:05:09.269 this three years ago i've been sitting on this 00:05:09.269 --> 00:05:11.550 for quite some time yeah yeah and i was trying 00:05:11.550 --> 00:05:13.529 to find the perfect time to release it honestly 00:05:13.529 --> 00:05:16.769 i i didn't know if i was gonna have it be a standalone 00:05:16.769 --> 00:05:19.110 single or if it was gonna be a part of a record 00:05:19.110 --> 00:05:21.810 i wasn't really sure how i was gonna do that 00:05:21.810 --> 00:05:27.550 yet and um it was kind of uh honestly just i 00:05:27.550 --> 00:05:29.550 don't know why now was the time to do it but 00:05:29.550 --> 00:05:31.850 it was just the time to do it but i've been wanting 00:05:31.850 --> 00:05:34.149 to do it even for a couple years prior to tracking 00:05:34.149 --> 00:05:37.680 that so Now, was the video recorded three years 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:42.199 ago as well? The video was recorded maybe almost 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.139 three years ago. Yeah. Maybe two and a half years 00:05:44.139 --> 00:05:48.480 ago. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, I'm a huge fan of 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.620 cover songs. Anyone that listens to this podcast 00:05:50.620 --> 00:05:53.500 knows I go down cover song dives all the time. 00:05:53.540 --> 00:05:56.939 And I'm always interested in the mindset behind 00:05:56.939 --> 00:06:00.199 a cover song. So how do you strike a balance 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.699 between honoring the original version of Rock 00:06:03.699 --> 00:06:07.230 Superstar? while still making it feel natural 00:06:07.230 --> 00:06:12.949 within the outlier catalog. Yeah. So that I feel 00:06:12.949 --> 00:06:16.370 like might've been the only challenge. It wasn't 00:06:16.370 --> 00:06:19.310 significant, but I wanted to, so I put like an 00:06:19.310 --> 00:06:24.589 intro in it and, um, the original is just done, 00:06:24.689 --> 00:06:27.350 done, done, done, done, done. You know, like 00:06:27.350 --> 00:06:30.009 it's like the same pattern throughout the whole 00:06:30.009 --> 00:06:32.569 song. And I, I kind of wanted to give a little 00:06:32.569 --> 00:06:35.389 bit more dynamic to it. I felt it needed some 00:06:35.389 --> 00:06:38.370 sort of intro, so I took what is the chorus. 00:06:38.569 --> 00:06:40.850 I made the chorus a little bit more melodic musically. 00:06:41.269 --> 00:06:44.290 I added some extra layers to it just to kind 00:06:44.290 --> 00:06:58.990 of give it that outlier appeal. I like orchestral 00:06:58.990 --> 00:07:01.230 stuff in our music, even if it's just subtle. 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.720 and layered in i like a little bit of texture 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.819 within my writing but we needed to make the song 00:07:06.819 --> 00:07:09.899 build and that was the other thing too is the 00:07:09.899 --> 00:07:14.300 structure of that song is verse chorus verse 00:07:14.300 --> 00:07:17.839 chorus verse chorus there's no bridge in it you 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.180 know like they have these little moments where 00:07:20.180 --> 00:07:23.120 like you know somebody's talking and it sets 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.379 up the next part but there is no like typical 00:07:26.379 --> 00:07:30.660 a b a b c b structure So I was like, how can 00:07:30.660 --> 00:07:32.779 I do this, but still make it feel like the song 00:07:32.779 --> 00:07:37.180 is moving somewhere. And so it really was just 00:07:37.180 --> 00:07:40.480 stacking the box with a lot of instruments, and 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.279 then just kind of almost working backwards, actually. 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.420 So then you're like, okay, you know, we're going 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:47.920 to take away some of this, like the first part 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.279 of my, my rap, it's just guitar and drums, no 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.800 bass. then you hear the bass get introduced then 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.480 you hear some of the strings get introduced then 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.560 you hear another guitar so it's all building 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.420 and building and building to get to that chorus 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:04.000 and then uh when sen comes in on his part man 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.660 dude like we really like i i went kind of like 00:08:07.660 --> 00:08:10.620 a little gent like metal with the music of it 00:08:10.620 --> 00:08:12.779 you know i wanted it to pop a little bit kind 00:08:12.779 --> 00:08:16.100 of give that that new metal vibe maybe a little 00:08:16.100 --> 00:08:18.399 bit more technical And then, yeah, like when 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.480 Hyrule comes in, I just wanted to like get like 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.379 really heavy, open it up a little bit more musically. 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:26.620 Hyrule's got a grit that he brings when he can 00:08:26.620 --> 00:08:30.160 really just cat like so we we stack the box knowing 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.080 where each person was going to be and kind of 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:35.580 fit like an energy to it. Sen's got such a voice 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:38.820 that's like he's got that full voice. It's got 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:42.379 power behind it. So the writing had to reflect 00:08:42.379 --> 00:08:44.750 that as well, you know. Same thing with Hyro. 00:08:44.830 --> 00:08:47.990 Again, opened it up. You hear big bells. The 00:08:47.990 --> 00:08:51.549 guitars just open up on you. And Hyro brought 00:08:51.549 --> 00:08:54.970 a really big energy at that end there. Well, 00:08:55.049 --> 00:08:56.909 you were just talking about Hyro and Sendog. 00:08:57.230 --> 00:09:01.289 How did you decide Hyro needs to be on this track? 00:09:01.389 --> 00:09:04.110 And then how did you get Sendog to come on a 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:06.330 collaboration of a song that he did two and a 00:09:06.330 --> 00:09:11.970 half decades earlier? Yeah, so Send was a friend 00:09:11.970 --> 00:09:15.159 of a friend. And I originally started tracking 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.159 this song without the intent of anybody featuring 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.500 on it. I was like, I'll try to do this whole 00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:23.960 thing myself. And then I reached out to Sen and 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.559 Sen like heard it and he was like all about it. 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:31.840 So came together very fast. Sen is super down 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.840 to earth. You know, he liked what he heard. I 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.289 had tracks shortly after. And then it was just 00:09:38.289 --> 00:09:40.590 kind of, it just, it came together a lot more 00:09:40.590 --> 00:09:42.750 organic than I thought it would honestly. And 00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:46.309 then Hyro was just through my producer. That 00:09:46.309 --> 00:09:48.350 was just a connection through, you know, when 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:50.129 we were trying to figure out who we could get 00:09:50.129 --> 00:09:53.149 for that third verse, Hyro's name came up and 00:09:53.149 --> 00:09:55.269 I was already a fan of Hyro, but I'd never had 00:09:55.269 --> 00:09:58.750 the connection to him. So my producer did. And 00:09:58.750 --> 00:10:02.730 then I just, Hyro heard it, signed on for it. 00:10:02.769 --> 00:10:05.970 It was again, pretty easy with that. As you were 00:10:05.970 --> 00:10:07.710 working your way through the recording of the 00:10:07.710 --> 00:10:10.889 song, did Sen offer any guidance considering 00:10:10.889 --> 00:10:14.850 he has the history with the original? You know, 00:10:14.909 --> 00:10:20.710 Sen, I will say, man, is kind of, you know, unless 00:10:20.710 --> 00:10:23.129 it takes time for him to open up to somebody, 00:10:23.250 --> 00:10:25.370 you know what I'm saying? But like in my handful 00:10:25.370 --> 00:10:29.129 of interactions with Sen, he's a chill guy. You 00:10:29.129 --> 00:10:31.070 know what I'm saying? He's a pretty laid back 00:10:31.070 --> 00:10:34.840 guy. Easy going. you know i will say for the 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:39.759 video you know we originally agreed on him being 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.039 a part of one of the locations there's like maybe 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:44.899 three or four locations in it so we're like you 00:10:44.899 --> 00:10:47.120 know hey you know we won't take up much of your 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.259 time blah blah blah you know we worked out the 00:10:49.259 --> 00:10:52.419 details he saw the playback because we were getting 00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:54.200 ready to move to the second location so i'm like 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.279 son thank you so much man i really appreciate 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.580 you and he saw the playback and he goes oh you 00:10:59.580 --> 00:11:02.289 guys uh You guys want to the next spot? And we're 00:11:02.289 --> 00:11:04.549 like, yeah, he goes, I could roll with it. So 00:11:04.549 --> 00:11:07.529 he stuck it out longer once he saw like what 00:11:07.529 --> 00:11:10.210 it was turning into. And I think at first and 00:11:10.210 --> 00:11:13.169 I don't blame him because, you know, he most 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:14.889 likely didn't know me. You know what I'm saying? 00:11:14.990 --> 00:11:17.190 And I don't know how much recon he did of the 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:19.769 band prior to. And, you know, you got some dude 00:11:19.769 --> 00:11:22.190 who's doing a cover of your song and this could 00:11:22.190 --> 00:11:24.649 go left or right. And he obviously doesn't want 00:11:24.649 --> 00:11:26.889 to attach himself to anything that's not going 00:11:26.889 --> 00:11:30.620 to be a solid representation of himself. I think 00:11:30.620 --> 00:11:32.679 he just needed to see it. And once he saw that, 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:35.440 like my videographer, Tom is like really good. 00:11:35.500 --> 00:11:38.659 He's real pro. And then he goes, okay, I'll stick 00:11:38.659 --> 00:11:41.519 it out with you. So like we got Sen walking up 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.759 a hill, like for the one scene where we're on 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:45.940 top of like a small hill or like a mountain or 00:11:45.940 --> 00:11:49.399 a big, you know, whatever. And he walked all 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.500 the way up this steep ass hill with us to shoot 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:54.059 the video. So he stuck it out, man. You know, 00:11:54.059 --> 00:11:57.440 so he, he believed in the cause and. Him and 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.519 I had a good phone call right before the release, 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:03.299 and, you know, he's supportive, but he's just, 00:12:03.340 --> 00:12:06.580 again, he's going to kind of just chill and watch 00:12:06.580 --> 00:12:09.120 how it goes, you know? Where did you guys shoot 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.240 the video? Because it has almost this Mad Max 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.360 vibe going on. Yeah, so we shot it in Vegas. 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.940 I absolutely love Vegas, but one of the, we shot 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:20.299 it, the indoor stuff is at a studio in Vegas, 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.940 and then the outdoor stuff is close to Red Rocks. 00:12:26.350 --> 00:12:30.009 out there and it's one of my favorite spots and 00:12:30.009 --> 00:12:32.250 i've always wanted to just like every time i 00:12:32.250 --> 00:12:34.730 go out to vegas whether it's for a show or anything 00:12:34.730 --> 00:12:37.789 i will take a couple days myself and i'll go 00:12:37.789 --> 00:12:40.070 out to like red rocks and like there's this spot 00:12:40.070 --> 00:12:42.809 where you get no cell service and it's phenomenal 00:12:42.809 --> 00:12:45.429 man and i love it yeah i get to just go up there 00:12:45.429 --> 00:12:48.750 no distraction and i'll go sit like on the edge 00:12:48.750 --> 00:12:51.210 of like a mountain you know and just kind of 00:12:51.740 --> 00:12:55.500 I don't know, take in how grand the earth is 00:12:55.500 --> 00:12:58.159 and like, you know, the sun and how small I feel 00:12:58.159 --> 00:12:59.779 in the universe. It's just like a very special 00:12:59.779 --> 00:13:02.659 place for me. It's very weird. But I get I get 00:13:02.659 --> 00:13:05.039 such a rush of energy every time I'm out there. 00:13:05.139 --> 00:13:08.059 But yeah, so we shot not too far from Red Rocks. 00:13:08.059 --> 00:13:09.360 That's where you're seeing the outdoor stuff. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.340 And then there was like an old dried up lake 00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:13.539 bed, which was, you know, where the jeep is like 00:13:13.539 --> 00:13:16.220 cruising. And those scenes were fun. It was perfect 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:19.399 because we'd been shooting all day. And we're 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.149 like, man, if we could get it. right as the sun 00:13:22.149 --> 00:13:24.710 is coming down over the mountain and we're just 00:13:24.710 --> 00:13:27.809 flying with this Jeep. It's, it was like, it 00:13:27.809 --> 00:13:29.769 was cool. It was cool. Is that your ride? Or 00:13:29.769 --> 00:13:31.769 did you guys rent that for the video shoot? Oh 00:13:31.769 --> 00:13:35.950 no, we rented that. I didn't know if this was 00:13:35.950 --> 00:13:37.730 going to be like one of those jackass moments 00:13:37.730 --> 00:13:40.470 where you take it into like a demolition Derby 00:13:40.470 --> 00:13:42.350 and then go return it. Cause you took out the 00:13:42.350 --> 00:13:47.029 rider on it. Oh my God. No, we actually, the 00:13:47.029 --> 00:13:50.470 guy, we, uh, we, we were looking. you know, on 00:13:50.470 --> 00:13:52.210 one of those apps, I forgot which one we got 00:13:52.210 --> 00:13:55.769 it from, but the guy was like, he did his homework. 00:13:55.950 --> 00:13:57.990 And then when he, he's a big Cypress Hill fan 00:13:57.990 --> 00:14:01.230 and he goes, Oh my God, dude. He's like, bro, 00:14:01.230 --> 00:14:03.409 listen, he goes, please, if you need anything, 00:14:03.529 --> 00:14:06.149 let me know. You can keep it longer. He goes, 00:14:06.190 --> 00:14:08.509 please take, you know, photos of it. And like, 00:14:08.509 --> 00:14:10.509 I'm like, are you cool with us going off road 00:14:10.509 --> 00:14:12.809 with this thing? He goes, Oh, take that thing 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:15.590 off road. So he loves seeing us like just whipping 00:14:15.590 --> 00:14:17.929 this thing. Like I, we showed him like clips 00:14:17.929 --> 00:14:20.860 of it. And then. he became like just a big fan 00:14:20.860 --> 00:14:23.820 overall and he's like uh so he's got multiple 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:26.000 vehicles he owns and that's just what he does 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.500 out there is like rental so when we turn the 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:31.240 jeep and he gave me one of his bmws for the rig 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.500 main during my trip and he goes here take the 00:14:33.500 --> 00:14:37.299 yeah so so we made friends with it all and uh 00:14:37.299 --> 00:14:40.179 with him and we it was just it was just such 00:14:40.179 --> 00:14:42.460 an awesome experience man it was it was pretty 00:14:42.460 --> 00:14:45.279 wild And for those listening who haven't seen 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.100 the video yet, it's really awesome. You can access 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:50.460 it via the show notes or over on the episode 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:56.080 page at myweeklymixtape .com. Now, Outlier has 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.840 done cover songs in the past. Was there anything 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.399 you learned from those that you brought to this 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.840 version of Rock Superstar? Yeah, so when I originally 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.600 started Outlier, I did a cover of Zedd's Stay 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.460 the Night, and my voice was... I was very young 00:15:13.460 --> 00:15:15.940 and you can hear it in my voice I was still growing 00:15:15.940 --> 00:15:20.399 as a vocalist a lot and we actually began and 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.059 this is the first that people are hearing this 00:15:22.059 --> 00:15:23.559 because we've been getting a lot of messages 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.919 about it and we've not given a reason as to why 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.519 but we are wiping out part of our we wiped out 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.759 part of our old catalog and there's reason for 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.519 it reasons that I can't speak of at this very 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.309 moment but We did that, and then we did a cover 00:15:41.309 --> 00:15:43.409 of Taylor Swift's Ready For It back in the day 00:15:43.409 --> 00:15:47.330 when that came out. And those were kind of... 00:15:47.330 --> 00:15:51.389 I won't do that again. I won't ever cover a song 00:15:51.389 --> 00:15:56.529 that was, you know, just coming out, trying to 00:15:56.529 --> 00:16:00.169 ride that wave in, that whole... To me, it's 00:16:00.169 --> 00:16:02.110 a desperate move, and I know bands do it, and 00:16:02.110 --> 00:16:03.809 I know some bands have gotten big off of it, 00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:05.830 and I'm not trying to take a jab at them, but 00:16:05.830 --> 00:16:07.710 that's really what it is, just a desperate... 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.539 way to to ride a wave in on like a top 10 you 00:16:11.539 --> 00:16:14.600 know billboard song or whatever um this was different 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:16.840 this was genuinely from the heart this is a track 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.279 that yeah it was massive in its day but like 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.159 you said 25 years ago so it's like clearly i'm 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.080 not trying to ride any wave in this is just a 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.179 genuine love for the song and honestly what cypress 00:16:30.179 --> 00:16:32.299 hill is about the genre bending that's what i've 00:16:32.299 --> 00:16:34.659 been about for a long time that's what i've always 00:16:34.659 --> 00:16:37.899 been about collaboration i mean I've been wanting 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:40.759 to collab and doing collabs. Like I've been wanting 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:42.779 to do multiple collabs and now it's becoming 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:45.419 even more acceptable in rock and metal. But it 00:16:45.419 --> 00:16:47.159 took a while to get up to that point because 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:50.659 I grew up on old school hip hop as well. And 00:16:50.659 --> 00:16:53.600 all I did was collab. It was just friends pulling 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:58.299 up friends and rock and metal has, you know, 00:16:58.299 --> 00:17:01.000 some people are just such gatekeepers, you know 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.480 what I'm saying? And like, they don't want to. 00:17:02.889 --> 00:17:05.130 share their fan base with anybody and like they 00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:07.950 or whatever it is like there's like this nah 00:17:07.950 --> 00:17:10.329 we're friends but we won't collab type of thing 00:17:10.329 --> 00:17:12.170 you know whatever it is yeah there's there's 00:17:12.170 --> 00:17:14.109 i don't know what what to call it you know i 00:17:14.109 --> 00:17:17.250 don't i don't really know what what some of it 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:20.230 comes from but but yeah you know like it's again 00:17:20.230 --> 00:17:22.369 i i'm all about the collab game i think it's 00:17:22.369 --> 00:17:24.529 important i i think the song needs to make sense 00:17:24.529 --> 00:17:26.470 though for both artists no matter what it is 00:17:26.470 --> 00:17:29.089 like we did a a song called warriors that features 00:17:29.089 --> 00:17:54.859 chris motionless That came together very organically. 00:17:54.900 --> 00:17:58.099 Again, the song was already tracked and written 00:17:58.099 --> 00:18:00.960 with me doing all the vocals. And then Chris 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.240 heard it. And that came together. Again, we have 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.420 a shared producer, our producer JD. He showed 00:18:07.420 --> 00:18:10.319 Chris the track. Chris heard it. And that was 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.000 just, again, friends helping friends. And that's 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.910 all that that is. I want to touch on that collaborations 00:18:15.910 --> 00:18:18.190 thing for a minute, because you mentioned Chris 00:18:18.190 --> 00:18:21.089 Motionless on Warriors. You also worked with 00:18:21.089 --> 00:18:51.750 Varsity on the song Crown. How does collaborating 00:18:51.750 --> 00:18:55.789 on a cover song compare to working together with 00:18:55.789 --> 00:18:58.250 another artist when it's an original of yours? 00:18:58.549 --> 00:19:01.650 Because there's a certain piece of that original 00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:04.890 song that's real near and dear to your heart. 00:19:04.970 --> 00:19:07.789 Whereas the cover song, there's a bit of a separation 00:19:07.789 --> 00:19:11.289 gap there because you are paying homage to something 00:19:11.289 --> 00:19:14.170 else. So you could be a little looser with it. 00:19:14.990 --> 00:19:20.420 Yeah. So Crown, for instance. Same thing. I tracked 00:19:20.420 --> 00:19:22.740 all the vocals for it without the intent of, 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:25.240 you know, having a feature on it. But in the 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.559 process of writing it from scratch, I kept hearing 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.940 Joey's voice on it. Joey's got a very pop, swaggy 00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:35.380 voice. You know, I'm much more of a rock vocalist, 00:19:35.420 --> 00:19:39.200 although I am trying to become more, you know, 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.920 have have a little bit of that pop element to 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.259 my voice. And, you know, that's why Crown was 00:19:44.259 --> 00:19:46.559 really fun for me, because there's a different 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:50.200 a little bit of a different type of vocal. performance 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:54.599 than what I have traditionally done in Outlier 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:56.660 up until this point. It's much more of a melodic 00:19:56.660 --> 00:19:59.119 song as well. But I still kept hearing Joey on 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:00.900 it. And I'm like, you know what? Joey's one of 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:04.920 my good friends. We get along. He's great people. 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.920 And we've always talked about doing some stuff 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.259 together. And again, it just made sense. So he 00:20:11.259 --> 00:20:13.539 tracked it. He sounded perfect on it. And it 00:20:13.539 --> 00:20:16.759 was just great to have that. You know, man, I 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:20.420 really... When you create a song, you know, yes, 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.519 it comes from the heart. And I can hold on to 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.359 it so much more and go, no, me, me, me, me, me. 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:27.960 But the thing is, though, there's something, 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:32.960 there's a relationship that gets to be timestamped 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.799 on a track. When you put out a track with one 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.859 of your friends or another musician that you 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:40.880 respect and, you know, all that. And when that 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.099 gets pushed out into the world, that whole... 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:46.390 friendship is like revealed, you know what I'm 00:20:46.390 --> 00:20:48.910 saying? And it's like in the song now, now it's 00:20:48.910 --> 00:20:51.069 in the message of the song as well. It's like, 00:20:51.069 --> 00:20:53.009 there's, it's like imprinted almost. It's just 00:20:53.009 --> 00:20:54.789 so different. I don't know how to explain it. 00:20:54.829 --> 00:20:57.029 So like, I don't have the emotional tie. Like, 00:20:57.069 --> 00:20:59.049 yeah, people will see me play it live and I sing 00:20:59.049 --> 00:21:01.609 it from beginning to end. So it's like, you know, 00:21:01.609 --> 00:21:04.450 if I were to ever have this whole, like I wrote 00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:06.789 the song, it's special to me. I'm not going to 00:21:06.789 --> 00:21:09.150 lose that when I go to do it live. You know what 00:21:09.150 --> 00:21:11.700 I'm saying? And like, as I whether I'm doing 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:13.759 interviews about it or sharing the message on 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.759 stage as to whatever that is. So I don't really 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.660 hold on to that. I could see how some probably 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:21.859 would, but I think I'm all about the friendship 00:21:21.859 --> 00:21:25.259 more than anything at that point. So you had 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:27.500 mentioned earlier that you scrubbed some of your 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:30.680 older back catalog. So I have to ask, you have 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.200 Warriors out there, Crown out there, this new 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.089 cover of Rock Superstar out there. Are these 00:21:36.089 --> 00:21:39.170 songs standalone singles or a part of something 00:21:39.170 --> 00:21:42.349 bigger coming down the road from Outlier? Yeah, 00:21:42.410 --> 00:21:44.230 so it's definitely a part of something bigger. 00:21:44.509 --> 00:21:48.029 They are all going to be on the same record. 00:21:48.430 --> 00:21:50.450 We're just leading up to it right now. We're 00:21:50.450 --> 00:21:53.369 just waterfalling these out. And there's just 00:21:53.369 --> 00:21:56.130 a lot more music on the way. Honestly, what people 00:21:56.130 --> 00:21:59.730 are hearing is it's all writings from within 00:21:59.730 --> 00:22:01.829 one to three years that I've been sitting on 00:22:01.829 --> 00:22:04.089 in this band. Like some stuff, I mean, it's... 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.720 some stuff i have to go revisit and continue 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.579 working on but there's a lot of what they're 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:11.079 hearing is at different points of the band and 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.740 it's so funny because going back on it all like 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:16.240 creature of the night and crown came together 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.880 really fast and i didn't sit on those very long 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.539 those came out fast they were done fast like 00:22:22.539 --> 00:22:25.240 they all came out within the same year of being 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.220 created Well, we've heard clips of rock superstar 00:22:28.220 --> 00:22:31.559 warriors and crown, but you mentioned creature 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:33.819 of the night. So let's play a clip of that. Are 00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:56.319 you a creature of the night? So with the focus 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.920 tonight being on Superstar, how did that track 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:01.220 become kind of part of this larger picture of 00:23:01.220 --> 00:23:05.819 the other songs from the band? You know, I wanted 00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:07.700 it to be a part of this record. And this really 00:23:07.700 --> 00:23:10.920 kind of came from me looking at one of my producers, 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:14.339 you know, for feedback on like as I'm like creating 00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:17.119 the track listing of this album. You know, they're 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:18.980 like, why don't you put Superstar on? I'm like, 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.400 do you think it would fit? And he goes, dude. 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:23.880 what is outlier like outlier does whatever he 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:26.079 wants like that's what it is so you should put 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.180 it on there and like you make that statement 00:23:28.180 --> 00:23:30.299 in your record when you do put something like 00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:33.059 that on there and you know i've done white boy 00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:35.079 i call him white boy raps i've done white boy 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.619 raps and like previous you know songs like three 00:23:38.619 --> 00:23:40.640 different songs so it's not really foreign for 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:42.920 me to do that but this is the first time that 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.480 anybody got to go oh he can actually rap you 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.960 know what i'm saying or like whatever attempt 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.720 it depends on how dude you held it down man i 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:54.440 definitely tried it you know it was uh at first 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.519 it was you got to find the right attitude rapping 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.420 is it's a different thing man it's it sounds 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:03.440 effortless when you hear a lot of rappers do 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.039 it but there's there's more to it it's just like 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.099 singing it's just without sustain and note you 00:24:09.099 --> 00:24:11.059 know what i'm saying but because you still got 00:24:11.059 --> 00:24:13.420 to worry about like your enunciation and your 00:24:13.420 --> 00:24:16.650 you know your delivery you know your attack are 00:24:16.650 --> 00:24:18.750 you bringing up the energy uh you know are you 00:24:18.750 --> 00:24:20.990 taking it down like how are you are you gonna 00:24:20.990 --> 00:24:23.109 do it like lazy are you gonna be aggressive in 00:24:23.109 --> 00:24:24.730 your attack like it's just so different you still 00:24:24.730 --> 00:24:27.490 have to think about it your delivery and you 00:24:27.490 --> 00:24:31.029 know tracking that so so i guess the big question 00:24:31.029 --> 00:24:34.130 is when can fans expect the full album from outlier 00:24:34.130 --> 00:24:40.349 um so i'm gonna say spring right now we we had 00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:43.880 a tentative date but everything's kind of a little 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:48.359 bit behind from the initial mapping out. Like 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.920 last year we did it like a, a map out of like 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.539 how this year is going to play and given where 00:24:53.539 --> 00:24:55.519 it is. And you kind of also want to see who's 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.000 going to be at radio at what point. And because 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.440 when you go to do that, like, you know, we're, 00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:03.900 we run mild radio campaigns for a lot of our 00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:07.279 music because we write, I feel like a lot of 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.279 these songs have a fighting chance at radio. 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.430 Now. I don't care about being a billboard artist. 00:25:12.529 --> 00:25:14.670 That's all money anyways. I don't care. Like 00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:17.650 we we've charted, don't get me wrong, but that's 00:25:17.650 --> 00:25:19.710 just at the end of the day, it doesn't really 00:25:19.710 --> 00:25:21.549 do anything. It's a bragging, right? You know 00:25:21.549 --> 00:25:23.589 what I'm saying? It looks cool. Don't get me 00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:26.089 wrong. You know, I'm not going to be mad if I 00:25:26.089 --> 00:25:29.710 ever did become a number one billboard, but to 00:25:29.710 --> 00:25:33.829 empty my bank account, like to do that, or, you 00:25:33.829 --> 00:25:36.670 know, have a label put me in severe debt to do 00:25:36.670 --> 00:25:40.670 that is I don't care about that. It's not. it's 00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:43.170 just it's again i don't care about that but you 00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:45.630 know we we still want to strategically lay our 00:25:45.630 --> 00:25:48.529 singles out that as they come up to a record 00:25:48.529 --> 00:25:51.609 that you know need to make sense in that timeline 00:25:51.609 --> 00:25:54.289 because going at radio it's not like dropping 00:25:54.289 --> 00:25:57.490 like a like the the spotify and the dsp game 00:25:57.490 --> 00:26:00.289 is all like six weeks right it's kind of like 00:26:00.289 --> 00:26:03.470 the sweet spot but radio it takes a while for 00:26:03.470 --> 00:26:05.450 radio like your campaign to go through that's 00:26:05.450 --> 00:26:08.829 like three to six months so you got to strategically 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:11.920 kind of like stack your singles as you're rolling 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.819 out a record. And that's kind of why I don't, 00:26:15.819 --> 00:26:17.839 I can't give a definitive date at the moment 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.500 here, but we are, you know, we, I definitely, 00:26:20.539 --> 00:26:22.740 it's going to be out in spring of this year for 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:26.619 sure. Well, Joey, since this show is centered 00:26:26.619 --> 00:26:29.559 around playlists, I'd like to close with this. 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:33.019 What are three songs that you're rocking right 00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:36.470 now? that you think all of the listeners should 00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:41.250 have on their respective playlists of like other 00:26:41.250 --> 00:26:45.450 bands and stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah um breaking 00:26:45.450 --> 00:26:49.609 benjamin's awaken hands down i i like religiously 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:51.609 start my day with it i don't know why i'm on 00:26:51.609 --> 00:26:54.289 this kick of like starting my day song is perfect 00:26:54.289 --> 00:26:58.930 from beginning to end without a doubt um i would 00:26:58.930 --> 00:27:05.740 say that uh god Metallica's Fuel. I don't know. 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.740 I feel like Fuel should be on everybody's playlist. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.440 It's such a... It rams you up, man. If you need 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.279 energy, just pop on Fuel. You'll feel good. And 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.000 probably Nookie. Limp Bizkit's Nookie should 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:25.950 be on everybody's playlist. Oh, God. Well, Outlier's 00:27:25.950 --> 00:27:29.069 cover of Cypress Hill's Rock Superstar featuring 00:27:29.069 --> 00:27:32.329 Jairo the Hero and Cypress Hill's own Send Dog 00:27:32.329 --> 00:27:34.750 is available now. And I'll have it up on the 00:27:34.750 --> 00:27:38.230 episode page over at myweeklymixtape .com for 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:40.170 you to check out if you haven't heard it yet. 00:27:40.630 --> 00:27:42.950 Joey, this has been an absolute pleasure. Thank 00:27:42.950 --> 00:27:44.769 you so much for joining me on the show, man. 00:27:44.890 --> 00:27:46.930 Thank you for having me, man. 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