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Hey, this is Jim Laughlin from Moe. This is my

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third time on My Weekly Mixtape, except this

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time I get to decide what y 'all are going to

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hear. Hope you enjoy it. Welcome to My Weekly

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Mixtape, a podcast that takes the classic mixtape

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approach to building a modern playlist. I'm your

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host, Brian Colburn. Tonight, we're continuing

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some summer concert love by welcoming back Jim

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Laughlin of Moe to the show. Jim, it's great

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to have you back, man. Great to be back. Well,

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you've been on the show twice already, so this

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is the third time. The first time was a catalog

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dive into Moe's entire career. And then we did

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recently an album dive into your newest album,

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Circle of Giants. But tonight. It's a totally

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different animal. Yeah, yes, it is. We're going

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to be talking about Mo. Don't get me wrong, but

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it's not going to be as direct as our prior conversations

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because tonight it's all about you and your ultimate

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concert, meaning you have carte blanche to build

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your own set list using any band, any song, any

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era, zero limitations. But before we get to that

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fun. What would you say is the art to building

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the perfect concert set list? Wow. I mean, it's

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been a bit since I've done a set list. The pressure

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of doing set lists sort of got to me for a while

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there. I need to get back into the loop. So when

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I'm doing it, there's a handful of sort of rules

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that I try to follow. One of the biggest things

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I pay attention to is who's singing. Generally

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to start, what I like to do is start each vocalist

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takes a turn right in the beginning. Then so

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I can get that out of the way so anybody who

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sings lead vocals in songs gets to sing and we'll

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take care of that in the first set. Then I also

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try to spread it out. Over a course of a show,

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you don't want this thing where Rob singing six

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songs, Al singing one. you know chuck singing

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one and nate singing one or nate like you don't

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want to stack singing on anybody because honestly

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over the course of a tour if you have too many

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shows where someone's singing too many songs

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that's just going to go through their voice way

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too soon then you you know for segues and stuff

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i i pay attention to key signatures and tempos

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i don't want vin having to do something crazy

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and just like flip a switch in the middle of

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a segue and speed up, slow down, or have some

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really bizarre time signature switch. And as

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far as the keys of the songs, I don't want anything

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that's too drastic. Most of the time I'll stick

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with either very relative keys or something that's

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like the same key. You'll hear us do a lot E

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to E to E or D to D to D. But there are things

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like D to G is pretty easy. E to B is very easy.

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E minor to E major. That's something I try to

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do because that switch is like, it just catches

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an ear. That sudden turn from major to minor

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either direction. And then length. Length is

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what kills me. It's so hard for me to know. And

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especially now with... Circle of Giants has some

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short songs on it, you know, like five minute

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songs, four minute songs, like in stride. And

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then it has like 12 minute songs, 13 minute songs.

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A lot of our bigger songs are longer songs like

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Meat and Moth and Brent Black. It could be 13

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minutes. It could be 25 minutes. Whatever kind

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of happens is going to happen. So I try to keep

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us conscious. of that as I possibly can, because

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it's, you know, it feels terrible to like write

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a set or a show. And then after the first set,

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you've cut off two songs and then you cut three

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off the end of the second set and like, you know,

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trying to squeeze it in. And then the flow is

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there has to be a flow to, you know, there has

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to be highs and lows. There has to be sort of

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breathing points for both the band and the audience.

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And it's just everything kind of has to go smooth

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throughout a night. Like you don't want just

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peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak. And,

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you know, you don't want this like modeling kind

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of meandering thing happening. You want to kind

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of mix it all up and just to present what you

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think the audience is going to like and what

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it's going to give a good experience. It'd be

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interesting to see a Mo show where you did set

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one of very chill. And very mellow and maybe

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just kind of the more subdued stuff. And then,

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like you said, have set to just be the total

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opposite of peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak,

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peak. We've had some second sets that have gone

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into that kind of because the second set is easier

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because you're usually going to end the first

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set pretty upbeat. And then the first song of

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the second set, you're going to want to snatch

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the audience back immediately from whatever the

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hell it was they were doing for the last 20 to

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30 minutes. So a lot of times for us, the second

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set will be that we have a strong song and then

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you're kind of like you've built all this stuff

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up. So you just want to keep the second set going.

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And when you do that, then you're like, well,

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what am I going to do if we get an encore? Like,

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what would we play? Because do you want now to

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step it up or do you want to kind of bring it

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back down and let everybody kind of leave on

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a, you know, a nice something, a song stuck in

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their head that isn't like some crazy. long super

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jam of energy like you know songs like that's

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why we play letter home a lot comes out in the

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second set um and then i mean in the encore and

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then they'll you know we never know how much

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time we're gonna have also by the time we get

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to an encore sometimes it's like yeah sorry good

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night that's it we can't do anything and you

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know sometimes they're like we need to play three

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songs in our encore so considering the set lists

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change night tonight what is the current rotation

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of who's choosing the set lists on this tour

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right now so now we've gone around to it goes

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alphabetically and it's everybody except chuck

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and myself i don't think chuck's wrote a set

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list since he's come back and it's been at least

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a couple years since i've i've written a set

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list Now, before we get to your ultimate concert

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mixtape. All right, Jim, let's get down to business.

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The real reason you're here tonight, instead

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of being on stage for a Mo show, you're in the

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audience, your front row. Let's give you the

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primo seats for this. It's your set list. You

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got front row center. The lights just cut out.

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Who's the first band or artist to take the stage?

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And what song kicks off your ultimate? concert

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set list so the first song that i picked was

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bleed by my sugar wow yeah because if you're

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gonna really like get attention from a whole

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group of people that song will absolutely do

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it just from the first 30 seconds of it you can't

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i mean it hits with so much energy and it's so

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tight and oh my god These days, it's almost cliche,

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I guess, to pick that song from that band. It's

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their signature song. If you go on YouTube or

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Instagram or whatever, you can find constant

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guitar playthroughs, drum playthroughs, bass

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playthroughs from every musician going because

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it's definitely probably their most popular song

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at least at this time. I didn't want to be cliche,

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but it's their most popular song for a reason.

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Oh, it's a great tune. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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And they're also killing it right now. I mean,

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their light show right now is amazing. You know,

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their live concerts are just top notch. They

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are definitely turning everything on all dials.

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Everything's to 11. It's pretty wild. Yeah, I'm

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a huge metal fan. I took the whole family to

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see Lamb of God at the Wellmont. I have to be

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honest, that didn't go quite as well as I planned.

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I think my oldest had a panic attack because

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she had never seen a mosh pit the way a Lamb

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of God mosh pit is. Yeah. But I have to ask,

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I'm a huge metal fan. A lot of the Mo fans listening,

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do they know that you're a metal fan or is this

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coming as a surprise to them right now? It's

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probably 50 -50 at this point. I think. when

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i released you know i i wear a lot of uh like

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maiden shirts and metallica shirts and stuff

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on stage anytime i do anything like this like

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it ends up either being like jazz oriented and

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like like classic vibraphone players and stuff

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like red norvo and lionel hampton or it ends

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up being like this metal thing and when i released

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the ep and then the first album that i did i

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think that that just solidified it for a lot

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of people that like yeah okay is the metal album

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for more or less and you can see it now it's

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it's it's definitely that's what i do all right

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well they have now left the stage and another

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band is coming out what is track two um track

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two i picked sabbath bloody sabbath by black

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sabbath nice iconic riff iconic It's, yeah, again,

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like a semi kind of a signature song. But for

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me, it's that the album Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

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is the first Black Sabbath album I ever heard.

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Well, outside of Paranoid, you know, I'd heard

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that song. And obviously, I knew Iron Man and

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War Pigs and some random Black Sabbath songs,

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but actually sat down in my friend's basement

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and listened to that whole record. And that particular

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song, like, almost scared me. There was, I kind

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of, after that song felt like almost like I was

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doing something wrong, you know, listening to

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it, but I have never forgotten it. Like it hooked

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me. I knew, you know, that was the song that

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I walked out with stuck in my head. And it's

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just, it's such a great song. And it's, you know,

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it's slow, but it's heavy. Like it's so heavy.

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especially for the time. Nobody was really doing

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anything like that. The breakdown in the middle

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of the song is just so awesome. Well, I have

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to thank my father for introducing me to Black

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Sabbath because I was getting into Ozzy in the

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80s. So I was listening to Blizzard of Oz, No

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Rest for the Wicked, all the way up to No More

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Tears. And I'm a teenager around the time that

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No More Tears comes out. And I'm at the store

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with my father. And he said, you know what? I'm

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going to throw you for a loop. I'm buying myself

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a CD today. And he picked up a copy of We Sold

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Our Souls for Rock and Roll. And we got in the

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car and we drove home. And he's like, I want

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you to hear this album when we get home. So you're

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going to dedicate an hour with me. And he put

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it on. And I'm listening to it. And I'm going,

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these guys are good. And he goes, yeah. Does

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that voice sound familiar? And I'm sitting there

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going, kind of, but I can't quite put my finger

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on it. And he goes, that's Ozzy. Now picture

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11, 12, like my head exploded. I'm like, wait

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a minute. There's more Ozzy to be had versus

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Blizzard of Oz. And I became an instant Sabbath

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fan that day. That was, it was kind of the same

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for me. I mean, when I found out, I found Ozzy

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first. And when I. found out that he was the

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singer in black sabbath well it's like oh well

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i gotta hear you know this black sabbath and

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that like i said that it it turned into hearing

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a smattering of them and then finally like being

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exposed to an entire record of it which was just

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It changed a lot for me. For all of us. There

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might be somebody listening right now, I hope

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not, but there might be somebody listening right

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now whose minds we just blew with this fact that

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Ozzy sang in Black Sabbath. But you never know.

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This show is for all levels of music enthusiasts,

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whether you're general or hardcore, we're here

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for you. Okay, Sabbath is done. They're unplugging.

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Where do we go from here for track three? So

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track three is definitely a switch. It's a song

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called Hold by KRS -One. Whoa! Yeah. I think

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it's a self -titled record, the one he released

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in 95. And I picked it kind of because lyrically,

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the song's absolutely brilliant. It's a slower

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song. It has a really, really, really simple

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bass line and drum track underneath it. Lyrically,

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it's just amazing. Anything KRS -One ever did

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lyrically is phenomenal to me. He's in the top

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five rappers of all time, easy. And he's just

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a legend, especially if you talk about East Coast

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rappers. He's been around, he started in the

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late 80s, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's

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still making records. I lost touch with him somewhere

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in the early 2000s. And this song, the hook is

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so cool. The way he keeps using the word hold

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and hole over and over backwards, and he switches

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them, and that's kind of the end of each line.

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And you can tell an entire story through doing

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this. And it's an unbelievable song. I wanted

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to pick one of his songs specifically off that

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record, and I kept going back and forth between

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three or four of them, and this was the one that...

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Like it always hits me when I when I listen to

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the album, which I listen to that album a lot.

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I mean, you don't get true 90s hip hop without

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Boogie Down Productions. Yeah, I mean, like he

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is one of the I don't want to say the founding

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father, because obviously there's Run DMC, there's

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Grandmaster Flash, there's all the the early

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classics, but. To get to where you get in the

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90s, I feel like Boogie Down Productions and

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KRS -One, and then you add in Public Enemy, they

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were kind of the people that bridged it from

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that early sound of hip -hop into what the 90s

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were. And I'm 47 years old, so the 90s are the

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golden era of hip -hop for me. And I can't picture

00:16:01.710 --> 00:16:06.740
hip -hop in the 90s without KRS -One. No. He

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bridged, I mean, he did it, like I said, even

00:16:10.019 --> 00:16:12.220
at the turn of the century, he bridged the 90s

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into the 2000s. He was, him and Boogie Down Productions

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were definitely pioneers. I mean, like you said,

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you had Houdini, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC in

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the beginning, but those guys kind of, even Sugar

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Hill Gang, they never changed what they did so

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much. Every Run DMC album to me is amazing, but

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they're all very similar. They had a definite

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way to go. But when you talk about Public Enemy

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and the Bomb Squad and KRS -One and Boogie Down

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Productions, they constantly evolved. The rhyme

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styles, the rhythms that they used in their rhymes

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were constantly going. KRS -One was one of the

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first that started doing the whole triplet thing.

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And then this brought you Busta Rhymes and Tribe

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Called Quest and all these other guys that kind

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of took that and ran with it. And it was the

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same thing with Chuck D and the Bomb Squad and

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Public Enemy. They just continually kept evolving.

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And it was amazing to watch from the late 80s

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through the entire decade of the 90s. Oh yeah.

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When I get into a mood on a Friday night and

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I just want to like get my head bobbing, I have

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a playlist that's basically nineties boom bap

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hip hop. So it's like DOS effects. It's got some

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ice cube. It's got that house of pain, anything

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that has that flow and that rhythm. That's like

00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:42.599
my fun hip hop playlist. So I'm not going to

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lie. I'm surprised that we got hip hop in the

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mix here, but I absolutely love it. I love it.

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I had to throw that one in. I couldn't, I couldn't

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not. Okay, so we have Meshuggah. We have Black

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Sabbath. We have KRS -One. Where are we going

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from here? So next is we're back to Black Sabbath,

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but we're changing singers. Oh, so they just

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took a break off stage while KRS was doing his

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thing. Yeah. Ozzy sat down, and we're going to

00:18:14.609 --> 00:18:17.589
bring in Ronnie James Dio, and we went to Mob

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Rules. Ooh. off the album the mob rules um from

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black sabbath which is uh it's semi -mo related

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because we cover the song or have covered the

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song and i've gotten to sing the song which is

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like it's awesome when you get to sing a song

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that you've always kind of wanted to and um singing

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a dio song is not easy really i'm shocked at

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all and uh He was like, if you're going to replace

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Ozzy with anybody in a band and you're going

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to go with Ronnie James Dio, you really haven't,

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you've maybe stepped sideways. You haven't taken

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a step back. You haven't. Ronnie is one of my

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all -time favorite vocalists. His voice is so

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strong. So when we were learning the song, and

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you know, I've heard this song a million times.

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and stepping up to sing it and then realizing

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that it is way higher than what i had imagined

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because he's doing this effortlessly his voice

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is so strong and his range is so wide but you

00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.680
don't notice it because there's no screams there's

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no breakup in his voice at all it's just his

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voice So we actually had to lower it down a step

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so I could actually sing the song. Only a step?

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Dude, that's still a compliment. I can just barely

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get it if we drop it down a step. And yeah, it's

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up there. Again, one of my favorite. Heaven and

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Hell and Marlboro's are just two. They're up

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there on the best Sabbath albums. Everybody talks

00:20:01.819 --> 00:20:04.579
about the first six, but it's really, you have

00:20:04.579 --> 00:20:07.759
to add those two on it. for the, you know, the

00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:10.460
pure Sabbath collection, the other stuff, you

00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:13.920
know, it's good, but the Ozzy and Dio Sabbath

00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.700
is the black Sabbath to me. All right. Well,

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I'm going to get real now. You're at a concert

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festival because we're talking hypotheticals

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here. I could go wherever I want with this, but

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there's two stages and you've got Ozzy Sabbath

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playing on one stage and Dio Sabbath playing

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on the other stage at the same time. which stage

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are you at oh my god i'm running back and forth

00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.640
between the two i get you know but depending

00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:48.420
on the songs i got i i can't that's that yeah

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that would break me that would leave me in a

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quivering i would not know what to do i'd have

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to somehow know what the other stage is playing

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so i know when to go back and forth Or you just

00:21:01.869 --> 00:21:04.190
stand in the middle and hope that you could consume

00:21:04.190 --> 00:21:07.269
all of the awesomeness in your right ear and

00:21:07.269 --> 00:21:09.910
your left ear. That is actually probably what

00:21:09.910 --> 00:21:12.390
I would try to do. I just keep turning my head.

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All right. So coming out of Sabbath, we're up

00:21:17.650 --> 00:21:21.809
to track five. Where do we go from here? So track

00:21:21.809 --> 00:21:25.509
five, I picked Screaming for Vengeance by Judas

00:21:25.509 --> 00:21:28.190
Priest. Again, off the album Screaming for Vengeance.

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And again, it's a song. that the first time I

00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.259
heard, I was just absolutely blown away. Rob

00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:41.880
Halford's voice is unbelievable. Glenn Tipton

00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.880
and K .K. Downing write some of the coolest harmonized

00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.420
melody lines ever played, at least to me. And

00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:56.859
they just looked so cool, man. I remember seeing

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them when I was a kid. For the encore, they come

00:22:00.329 --> 00:22:02.849
out and do Hellbent for Leather. And, you know,

00:22:02.849 --> 00:22:05.069
stacks of marshals on the stage and two of them

00:22:05.069 --> 00:22:07.470
open up and Rob Halford comes riding out on a

00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:10.490
Harley Davidson that's just making the entire

00:22:10.490 --> 00:22:14.410
Nassau Coliseum just shake. And it was unbelievable.

00:22:14.970 --> 00:22:18.730
You know, he's huge. And they just looked so

00:22:18.730 --> 00:22:22.369
cool on stage to me. Definitely, you know, I've

00:22:22.369 --> 00:22:26.549
seen them maybe four times. And I've never walked

00:22:26.549 --> 00:22:30.849
away for the greatest shows I've ever seen. And

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Screaming for Vengeance was the first album that

00:22:34.769 --> 00:22:39.549
I bought that I didn't skip a song. You know,

00:22:39.569 --> 00:22:43.069
every song just was awesome to me. And then I

00:22:43.069 --> 00:22:46.250
went and bought all the stuff before that and

00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:48.910
just continued to collect their stuff. They just

00:22:48.910 --> 00:22:50.829
released a record last year, which is awesome.

00:22:51.089 --> 00:22:53.789
They still sound just as great. I'll tell you

00:22:53.789 --> 00:22:56.720
right now. The way you just talked about Dio's

00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.099
register being so high, Rob's hasn't changed

00:23:00.099 --> 00:23:03.980
either. Even with age, he still is effortlessly

00:23:03.980 --> 00:23:07.539
hitting these notes. Yeah. And it's like there's

00:23:07.539 --> 00:23:11.480
got to be some sort of, I don't know what deal

00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.700
he signed, but his voice is still right there

00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:18.319
where it's just freaking perfect, even at his

00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.420
age. So this was the first Judas Priest album

00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:24.200
I had. When I went back and bought the older

00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:26.500
stuff, the stuff that was released in the early

00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:29.319
70s, late 60s and stuff. And there were songs

00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:34.079
like Last Rose of Summer and Dreamer and songs

00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.059
where he sings and his voice is just beautiful.

00:23:37.339 --> 00:23:40.180
Like it's not these screams that he can do in

00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:43.539
this incredibly high register. It's this huge,

00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:47.359
deep chest voice, like this full voice. And I

00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.279
was like, oh, holy cow. You know, and then they

00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.700
released Painkiller and. That vocal track is

00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:59.180
just ridiculous. And to see what he is capable

00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:02.359
of, like I put Rob Halford up next to Freddie

00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:05.579
Mercury. Like he's that good. He has the same

00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:08.920
range. He can sing unbelievably high. He can

00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.839
sing low. He can do the sweetest, sweetest melodies

00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.980
and he can scream like a banshee. And it's so

00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.660
impressive. And yeah, he's still doing it. Like

00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:21.180
if you want to see something really cool, go

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:25.059
and, search on YouTube for when he sang in court,

00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:27.940
when they were brought to court and he was in

00:24:27.940 --> 00:24:29.400
a courtroom and they're like, can you sing it

00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.660
now? And he was like, sure. And he stood up and

00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:34.799
it's amazing. Well, if that's on YouTube, I'll

00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.839
make sure to embed it on the episode page. So

00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:38.819
people can go right there to check it out there.

00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.299
I think I have it saved. All right. Well, I'm

00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:43.920
going to ask you a tough question here because

00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:49.559
I posted a Judas priest song once on the socials

00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.329
and I. caught a little bit of flack and a little

00:24:53.329 --> 00:24:55.470
bit of love all at the same time. So I'll be

00:24:55.470 --> 00:24:58.809
curious where you stand on this. I'm a huge fan

00:24:58.809 --> 00:25:02.390
of cover songs, especially when bands reinvent

00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:06.670
the song in their own sound. Judas Priest's take

00:25:06.670 --> 00:25:09.750
on Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Good. Thumbs up or

00:25:09.750 --> 00:25:13.890
thumbs down. I like the Johnny B. Good that they

00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:17.670
did. I thought it was really cool. This is from

00:25:17.670 --> 00:25:22.720
a huge fan. They also do Green Manalishi. Oh,

00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:25.480
yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. And Diamonds and

00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:30.000
Rust. And holy crap. It's like two of the greatest

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.859
covers ever recorded because they completely

00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:38.039
made the song their own. So much so that me and

00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.940
all my friends learned this stuff after the fact.

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:43.799
You didn't even know there were covers. No, no

00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.200
idea. Until years later. You know, it was my

00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.839
brother, Michael, who was, you know, pointed

00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.440
out. He's like, oh, my God, that's a Joan Baez

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.859
song. I was like, what? With Diamonds and Rust.

00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.940
And he's like, yeah, you know, this is any. That's

00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:01.140
when he told me about the whole back and forth

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:02.799
thing between her and Bob Dylan and all this

00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.940
crap. And I was like, wow. And I can't remember

00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:09.940
who had mentioned Green Manalishi being a Fleetwood

00:26:09.940 --> 00:26:12.960
Mac song. And I was like, what? This sounds nothing

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:17.420
like I can't imagine those two artists. doing

00:26:17.420 --> 00:26:21.039
those two songs and and they'll they'll always

00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.859
be to me that judas priest version of both those

00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:26.559
songs is if you mention those titles that's where

00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:28.420
i'm going i'm not going to the original arts

00:26:28.420 --> 00:26:33.220
all right so coming out of judas priest where

00:26:33.220 --> 00:26:36.099
do we go from here i'm sensing maybe like merciful

00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:41.640
fate or king diamond or there are some king diamond

00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.579
songs i actually thought about putting on this

00:26:43.579 --> 00:26:47.650
at close I went with 10 Speed of God's Blood

00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:51.430
and Burial by Coheed and Cambria. Nice. Yeah.

00:26:51.549 --> 00:26:55.490
It's off the album Good Apollo Star 4, which

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:58.730
that's the album that got me into Coheed. I think

00:26:58.730 --> 00:27:02.710
Claudio has an amazing voice. I love high register

00:27:02.710 --> 00:27:07.630
stuff. And they just, they write great soundscapes.

00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:11.009
They're very Pink Floyd -ish. I mean, they, on,

00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:16.829
I think it's on God Apollo Star 4. The last song

00:27:16.829 --> 00:27:19.470
is the final cut. It's called the final cut.

00:27:19.609 --> 00:27:23.109
And they make like several tributes to Pink Floyd

00:27:23.109 --> 00:27:27.109
in the last two songs of that record. So that

00:27:27.109 --> 00:27:31.230
is obvious. They have a song 2113. They're obviously

00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:34.170
Rush fans. You know, again, you can hear that

00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:37.289
in Claudio's voice. They're all top notch musicians

00:27:37.289 --> 00:27:41.130
and he writes. So all their albums are connected.

00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:44.910
You know, he writes graphic novels and that.

00:27:45.210 --> 00:27:47.269
revolve around the music and the albums that

00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:50.490
they release and it's this huge long story and

00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:53.390
i'm even lost in it like i'm not ever really

00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:58.490
sure what's going on but i i'm a huge huge coheed

00:27:58.490 --> 00:28:00.890
and cambria fan they were actually my my most

00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:05.069
uh listened to artists last year and in apple

00:28:05.069 --> 00:28:10.390
music nice i personally feel like coheed is underrated

00:28:10.390 --> 00:28:12.789
in terms of what they bring to the musical table

00:28:12.789 --> 00:28:15.970
because You think about bands like Dream Theater

00:28:15.970 --> 00:28:18.170
that now that Mike's back in the band, they're

00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:20.970
selling out everywhere. Coheed does the same,

00:28:20.990 --> 00:28:23.950
but I feel like they're not talked about as much.

00:28:24.349 --> 00:28:26.569
Yeah, I don't think so either. I think they're

00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:32.529
very underrated. Their fans are rabid and fanatics,

00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:35.809
all of them, which is the thing that drives them

00:28:35.809 --> 00:28:38.089
and keeps them going. It's kind of like Rush,

00:28:38.269 --> 00:28:41.559
like Rush's career. You know, they weren't. like

00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:46.039
super radio friendly they weren't really talked

00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.799
about as much as they should have been but their

00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:53.180
fans if you're a rush fan man you are a rush

00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:57.259
fan like they can the bands can do no wrong basically

00:28:57.259 --> 00:29:02.140
people will buy the record regardless and it

00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:04.740
might you know rank lower or higher in in their

00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:07.559
catalog but for the most part anything that coheed

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.579
releases to a coheed fan is better than anything

00:29:10.579 --> 00:29:13.400
else like the worst coheed record is better than

00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.819
the best record of most other bands and i feel

00:29:15.819 --> 00:29:17.880
like that's definitely something that happens

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.119
a lot in the progressive world like i listened

00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:23.259
to some late like in the 90s my buddy dom and

00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:26.980
i went down the magna carta hole and got into

00:29:26.980 --> 00:29:29.380
bands like enchant and other things like that

00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:32.039
and they did a tribute to rush that had a like

00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.660
sebastian bach on it and we were going through

00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:37.859
these magna carta artists and Every time you

00:29:37.859 --> 00:29:40.339
listen to it, if you found a CD and it said Magna

00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:42.819
Carta on it, you knew what you were getting.

00:29:43.460 --> 00:29:46.119
And you knew that there was some level that if

00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.200
it was on Magna Carta, it had to be good. Yeah.

00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.079
It also had to be, you know, slightly left or

00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.799
slightly right or center. Yes. It wasn't going

00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.559
to be a pop. You weren't going to get any kind

00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.440
of like radio pop kind of song. You were going

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.799
to get like. A pretty heavy prog song that you

00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.039
had to probably listen to like four or five times

00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.180
before you got it. And then once you get it,

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.720
it's like, oh my, you can't, you know, like you

00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.640
want more. Like it's so good. All right. What

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.859
do we have next? So next is, uh, I went with

00:30:19.859 --> 00:30:23.640
the trooper by iron maiden. All right. Peace

00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.539
of mind record. Again, another like signature

00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:31.859
song of the band. The song is everything that

00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.900
Iron Maiden is. It's Bruce Dickinson doing an

00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:38.759
amazing job singing. It's amazing guitar harmonies.

00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.099
Steve Harris playing that galloping, just crazy

00:30:42.099 --> 00:30:47.599
bass line. And Nico McBrain drumming, which he

00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.099
was just phenomenal. It hurts that he retired.

00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.079
I was so sad that this happened, man. I get it.

00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:01.150
I completely get it. Yeah. Like who do you get

00:31:01.150 --> 00:31:03.869
to replace him? I'm not going to lie. I checked

00:31:03.869 --> 00:31:06.250
off that maiden bucket list for the first time

00:31:06.250 --> 00:31:08.470
this past November at the Prudential Center.

00:31:08.750 --> 00:31:12.170
Oh, nice. And my favorite song of the night,

00:31:12.309 --> 00:31:14.670
Stranger in a Strange Land. Seeing that live,

00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:18.049
that was like, oh my God, that riff is just so

00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.210
frigging dirty. It's a little different than

00:31:21.210 --> 00:31:24.430
the. Typical Maiden gallop. But there's something

00:31:24.430 --> 00:31:27.809
about it that always hypnotized me as a kid on

00:31:27.809 --> 00:31:30.589
top of the album covers and Eddie hypnotizing

00:31:30.589 --> 00:31:33.269
me because my cousins were always listening to

00:31:33.269 --> 00:31:35.450
Maiden. And I don't know why, but seeing that

00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:40.150
song live, I was equally as elated to finally

00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:43.650
see them, but also angry at myself that it took

00:31:43.650 --> 00:31:48.029
so fucking long for it to happen. It was my first

00:31:48.029 --> 00:31:50.349
concert was Zion Maiden and Judas Priest. Oh,

00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:54.940
nice. Yeah. And that was my, uh, I was always

00:31:54.940 --> 00:32:00.180
a priest fan and I hesitantly liked Iron Maiden,

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:03.960
but I would never, you know, back in eighth grade

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.640
and high school admit that they were as good

00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.359
as Judas Priest. Like I had a friend of mine

00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.740
who was like a diehard Maiden fan and we'd get

00:32:11.740 --> 00:32:15.299
in fights all the time. And I, despite how much

00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:19.079
I liked them, I would not admit the fact that,

00:32:19.099 --> 00:32:22.379
yeah, that they're as good as Judas Priest. But

00:32:22.379 --> 00:32:27.759
they're not really. All right. I have to bring

00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.299
up something, though. Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath,

00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.519
your second song of the night. In the 90s, there

00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.940
was the Nativity in Black compilation. And Bruce

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:40.359
Dickinson did a cover with Godspeed. Have you

00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.420
ever heard that version? And if so, what do you

00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:46.319
think of it? Yes, I have. And it's awesome. There's

00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.750
also Sepultura does Planet Caravan. on that record,

00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:55.150
which is amazing. Biohazards after forever is

00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:58.569
insane. And that's after forever is actually

00:32:58.569 --> 00:33:02.329
one of my favorite Sabbath songs as well. Um,

00:33:02.390 --> 00:33:05.890
it's funny when I was doing this, I didn't know

00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:13.250
if I should go with like all B side stuff and

00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:17.150
like deep cut stuff. Or if I should go, you know,

00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:19.309
with like sort of the signature songs of these

00:33:19.309 --> 00:33:22.130
bands. And I thought, like, if I did all the

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:24.309
deep cut stuff, then this would be a concert

00:33:24.309 --> 00:33:25.869
that I would be the only person who enjoyed.

00:33:27.450 --> 00:33:31.450
And if I wanted to like for everybody to have

00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:33.829
a great time and be introduced to these bands,

00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:37.049
like these are the songs that if you ask me,

00:33:37.109 --> 00:33:39.609
you know, oh, man, I'd like to hear something

00:33:39.609 --> 00:33:42.549
by whatever. These are probably the songs that

00:33:42.549 --> 00:33:46.099
that I would play you. There's probably a couple

00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:49.700
of exceptions in here, but mostly this is what

00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:53.279
I would play and be like, this is the band. There's

00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.160
different versions of this, but this is them.

00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:58.720
This is their essence in one of their songs.

00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.940
If you want to really understand them, listen

00:34:00.940 --> 00:34:03.839
to this song. Yeah, for me, when it comes to

00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.299
Maiden, I completely understand where the trooper

00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:10.139
fits that bill. The only disappointment I had.

00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.699
with the last tour was that rhyme of the ancient

00:34:12.699 --> 00:34:15.039
Mariner from power slave was not in the set,

00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.000
but it is in this year's set. So I'm hoping they

00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.280
get back to the U S cause I got to check that

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.059
one off. That to me is an all time maiden classic.

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.940
It's, it's got the Gallup it's ridiculously long,

00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.059
but doesn't feel long at all. Bruce's vocals

00:34:32.059 --> 00:34:35.539
on it are perfect. Oh, it's another one of those

00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:38.119
things where, you know, a lot of the lyrics that

00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.179
Steve Harris wrote. are based on actual books

00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:47.420
events like stuff like that and it's weird like

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:51.539
so that i was like well okay obviously i have

00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:55.099
to go read this poem then because steve harris

00:34:55.099 --> 00:34:57.960
liked it so i gotta go check it out the trooper

00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.519
made me go and learn about the charge of the

00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.579
light brigade which is like one of the most interesting

00:35:04.579 --> 00:35:09.840
war stories you'll ever hear and terrific And

00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.260
all this stuff. And, you know, just when I found

00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.780
out that the actual call to charge in that battle

00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:20.780
was a mistake that everybody just picked up on

00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:25.579
and they went and were decimated is like, it's

00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:29.019
just like, holy cow. So, you know, Maiden is

00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:32.079
somewhat of a history teacher for me as well

00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.840
as a lit teacher. You got me researching stuff.

00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.780
Hey, it makes it more fun, too. Let's be honest.

00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:42.139
Let's be honest. Oh, yeah. All right. So we got

00:35:42.139 --> 00:35:44.900
Maidens the Trooper. Where do we go from here?

00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:47.920
So from here, we'll slow it down a little bit.

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.079
And I got Xanadu by Rush. I assume they had to

00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.719
be in here at some point. Oh, yeah. I had to.

00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.739
And again, this is one of those things where

00:35:57.739 --> 00:36:01.780
it's a song that really shows what these guys

00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:06.150
can do musically. The lyrics are amazing. This

00:36:06.150 --> 00:36:08.130
is another one of those songs that the first

00:36:08.130 --> 00:36:10.170
time I heard it, I was just encapsulated the

00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:13.289
whole or enraptured the whole entire time with

00:36:13.289 --> 00:36:16.929
it. And there's the little glockenspiel parts.

00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:19.769
This is a song where live they do the double

00:36:19.769 --> 00:36:23.170
neck thing and Geddy's playing bass lines with

00:36:23.170 --> 00:36:26.389
his foot, rhythm guitar while Alex does something

00:36:26.389 --> 00:36:29.429
like all this stuff is happening. You hear the

00:36:29.429 --> 00:36:31.510
record and you know that this is three guys.

00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:35.440
And you wonder, can these three guys actually

00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.579
do this live? Then you go see them do it live

00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:43.280
and it's just jaw dropping because it's exactly

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.219
what you heard on the record. It's every note

00:36:46.219 --> 00:36:48.559
is in there. Everything they played, they didn't,

00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:52.000
you know, they don't drop tracks and stuff when

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.380
they go to perform it live. They can cover everything

00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:58.739
that was recorded. And it's for a song like that,

00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.760
that's... This anthemic thing, it's long. It's

00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.139
got all these different parts. It's very pretty.

00:37:06.219 --> 00:37:09.340
It's a beautiful song. And just to see three

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:15.760
people do it live, it's like, no way. It's crazy.

00:37:16.179 --> 00:37:18.739
So I have to ask, is A Farewell to Kings your

00:37:18.739 --> 00:37:24.480
favorite Rush album? I don't know that I have

00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.639
a favorite Rush album. It's kind of based on

00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.500
mood. Like really with them. I'm so familiar

00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.239
with everything up probably until like Vapor

00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.880
Trails. Like I know all the albums before that,

00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.280
you know, back and forth. And at this point,

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.119
I probably couldn't tell you what songs, depending

00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.320
on the albums, are on which albums. But they

00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.480
cover so much ground throughout their career.

00:37:50.539 --> 00:37:54.280
It really kind of just depends on what I feel

00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.440
like listening to when I want to hear a Rush

00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.349
record. I don't grab for my favorite Rush album.

00:38:01.670 --> 00:38:05.110
That's a tough choice. Well, I'll be honest.

00:38:05.230 --> 00:38:07.730
Don't sleep on Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork

00:38:07.730 --> 00:38:10.789
Angels. They're both amazing. Even though they're

00:38:10.789 --> 00:38:13.510
post -Vapor Trails, if you haven't gone down

00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.949
that rabbit hole, there's some classic Rush on

00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:20.030
both of those albums. It's funny. I mean, I have

00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:23.610
everything that they have recorded. I just haven't.

00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:26.119
Because the recent stuff is that much more recent.

00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.940
I don't have the history that I have. Of course.

00:38:29.019 --> 00:38:32.219
With it as much as their earlier catalog. But

00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:35.239
there's really not a song I don't like. I mean,

00:38:35.260 --> 00:38:39.019
I like Hold Your Fire and Power Wind. Like all

00:38:39.019 --> 00:38:42.119
those, even the Synthie records. Yep, yep. I

00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.519
love them. You know, if I'm in the mood for those,

00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:48.059
always hit. And as when I was at my youngest,

00:38:48.099 --> 00:38:50.380
my cousin introduced me to Rush through moving

00:38:50.380 --> 00:38:53.480
pictures. So that's always going to be. the rush

00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:55.559
album for me, because here in that opening to

00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.340
Tom Sawyer as a kid, that's like, what is happening

00:39:00.340 --> 00:39:03.980
right now? And as I got older, Lovilla became

00:39:03.980 --> 00:39:07.500
my favorite rush tune of all time, because there's

00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:09.780
just no denying that they take this instrumental.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.960
And I think that's why I think Lovilla is a part

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.460
of why I love jam band music so much because

00:39:15.460 --> 00:39:20.300
of what they did in that. It told the story without

00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:24.809
lyrics. And that's, Hard to do. It goes so many

00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:27.969
different places and it's smooth. Again, there's

00:39:27.969 --> 00:39:34.610
no jarring changes. It goes from A to Z and flows

00:39:34.610 --> 00:39:37.150
through each part. It's just a beautiful thing.

00:39:37.550 --> 00:39:39.849
You close your eyes and it paints a picture as

00:39:39.849 --> 00:39:41.449
you're hearing the sounds. And that's something

00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:44.449
that when somebody uses lyrics to do that, it's

00:39:44.449 --> 00:39:46.010
one thing because you're picturing what they're

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:48.969
saying. But when the music is doing that for

00:39:48.969 --> 00:39:51.860
you, it's a totally different experience. Yes.

00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:55.300
Yeah. It definitely takes you places without

00:39:55.300 --> 00:39:58.780
telling you where you're going, like verbally

00:39:58.780 --> 00:40:02.199
telling you. You mentioned the intro to Tom Sawyer

00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.659
and there's an episode of the Goldbergs on the

00:40:04.659 --> 00:40:07.099
show. The Goldbergs is one of the characters.

00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:10.420
He's a huge Rush fan. He wears a Rush shirt every

00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:14.320
time he's on the screen. And the daughter in

00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.820
the family is like a musician. There's a scene

00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:21.900
where he plays her. rush for the first time and

00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.239
it's it's the opening note for tom sawyer and

00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.360
her eyes just lock in you know and then she goes

00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.000
and plays it for her friends and they have the

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.000
same reaction just like oh my god and how it

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.440
just bleeds that song just like turns them all

00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.079
into these huge rush friends It's a great, it's

00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.179
hilarious. I've never seen that show. I have

00:40:40.179 --> 00:40:43.219
to find it now because that is exactly how I

00:40:43.219 --> 00:40:46.639
experienced it as a kid. Yeah. When you said

00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.219
that, I was like, Oh my God, it's just like,

00:40:48.219 --> 00:40:52.519
it's really funny episode. All right. You have

00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.239
to follow up rush and iron maiden. Yeah. This

00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.840
is not an easy task. I'm very curious to see

00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.719
where you go from here. So from here, I went

00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.920
with Primus who I've seen open up for rush. but

00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.039
not Iron Maiden. And it's a song, Ballad of Audacious.

00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:13.880
Nice. It's a song I picked for the time capsule

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.579
that you had. Yes, the ultimate mixtape. Yes.

00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.639
And this is, I mean, I guess this is kind of

00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.760
a deep cut as far as Primus is concerned, because

00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.639
it's off the album Antipop, which I don't know

00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.880
why. I mean, I guess because Fred Durst had something

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.449
to do with a couple songs. People want to call

00:41:32.449 --> 00:41:35.309
it a new metal record, which I don't see it.

00:41:35.329 --> 00:41:38.250
It's a Primus record. And they're just in a category

00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:42.449
of their own. Because even the songs of Andy

00:41:42.449 --> 00:41:44.449
Pop, there's not a new metal band that you can

00:41:44.449 --> 00:41:46.469
say, oh, yeah, it sort of sounds. No, it doesn't.

00:41:46.469 --> 00:41:50.070
It sounds like Primus. Exactly. And this song

00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:53.110
just has one of the coolest bass lines and drum

00:41:53.110 --> 00:41:56.829
lines in it. The guitar is perfect. And it's

00:41:56.829 --> 00:42:01.190
a song about a rodeo bull. And it's music. that

00:42:01.190 --> 00:42:05.469
should be in a song about a rodeo bull. And it's

00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:08.469
just, it thumps, man. It's a great song. It's

00:42:08.469 --> 00:42:11.369
a great story. If you've never heard of Bodacious

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:14.289
the Rodeo Bull, Google it, read his Wikipedia

00:42:14.289 --> 00:42:17.530
page because it's super interesting. And Les

00:42:17.530 --> 00:42:20.210
tells the story of this bull and one particular

00:42:20.210 --> 00:42:22.949
rider who rode him at two different occasions

00:42:22.949 --> 00:42:27.809
and almost killed him the second time. And it's

00:42:27.809 --> 00:42:31.130
just a great, great song. And it's also I named

00:42:31.130 --> 00:42:35.070
my last dog after the song because he was just

00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:37.610
when I first got him, he was just very stubborn,

00:42:37.710 --> 00:42:40.849
very ornery and wouldn't want to be controlled.

00:42:41.329 --> 00:42:45.849
It took so long to get him to be a good dog so

00:42:45.849 --> 00:42:49.269
that the name just came out. So he was named

00:42:49.269 --> 00:42:52.710
Bodacious. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. And it's

00:42:52.710 --> 00:42:56.409
it's one of my favorite Primus songs. I'll be.

00:42:56.989 --> 00:42:59.469
the first to say that I love Antipop. I don't

00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:02.210
care anything about the whole new metal stigma.

00:43:02.349 --> 00:43:05.690
And let's be honest, last time I checked, Limp

00:43:05.690 --> 00:43:08.429
Bizkit's opening for Metallica all over the world,

00:43:08.449 --> 00:43:12.909
and they're selling out arenas again. Limp Bizkit

00:43:12.909 --> 00:43:17.289
is back, and I never got the hate for it. I feel

00:43:17.289 --> 00:43:20.110
like there's a place for music for any type of

00:43:20.110 --> 00:43:24.070
style. And I personally enjoy Limp Bizkit. I

00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:27.170
think Wes Borland is a ridiculous guitarist.

00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:30.550
I think John Otto is an incredible drummer. I

00:43:30.550 --> 00:43:33.230
think the band is very talented. Are the lyrics

00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:37.849
silly and sometimes corny? Yes. And that's kind

00:43:37.849 --> 00:43:40.250
of the beauty of it. Like, why does everything

00:43:40.250 --> 00:43:47.190
have to be so artistic? If the break stuff. is

00:43:47.190 --> 00:43:50.429
a fantastic workout song. It makes me want to

00:43:50.429 --> 00:43:53.949
get up and do shit. And we need that motivation

00:43:53.949 --> 00:43:56.789
at this age, you know? It's one of those things

00:43:56.789 --> 00:44:00.570
where people hate on a band. Korn sort of, I

00:44:00.570 --> 00:44:03.690
mean, a lot of the new metal bands get this.

00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:07.269
And people hate on them. And I don't know who

00:44:07.269 --> 00:44:10.309
was really doing the gatekeeping at this point

00:44:10.309 --> 00:44:12.929
in time. Like, you know, hardcore Metallica fans

00:44:12.929 --> 00:44:16.130
and the Thrash guys and, you know, and they had...

00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.860
Didn't want to call this metal in some way, so

00:44:18.860 --> 00:44:21.199
they spelt new all weird and put it in front

00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.619
of it. But the reality is when you put a lot

00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:29.820
of these songs on, people like it. People go

00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:32.619
crazy for it. They proved it at Woodstock. Two

00:44:32.619 --> 00:44:36.440
bands started riots. It's the same, like Freak

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.820
on a Leash. You can make fun of Jonathan Davis'

00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:42.079
voice as much as you want, but when he sings

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.360
that song, it's one of the coolest. things and

00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.980
you know it was like no one was doing that no

00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:51.280
one was singing like that no one was using their

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.360
voice as that kind of weird ass instrument so

00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.000
yeah i i completely bought the album and totally

00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.760
got in there's stuff about it i don't like but

00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.099
there's a lot of stuff that i do you know i could

00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:09.500
do without feely's bass tone like it's too nah

00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:14.460
but overall man it's good music I don't really

00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:17.519
see that much of a problem with it. Now, I told

00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.679
you earlier that my oldest was not a Lamb of

00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.320
God fan, but I'm taking her to Korn and System

00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.139
of a Down at her request. She loves both of those

00:45:26.139 --> 00:45:29.460
bands. So I was I wasn't far off with the Lamb

00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:31.960
of God, but I think I needed to come a step or

00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.659
two down just just a little bit. Like maybe maybe

00:45:34.659 --> 00:45:37.599
I went one too many flights of stairs for the

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.579
first metal concert. So she's coming around.

00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.300
See, and that's the thing. System of a Down is

00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:44.320
the same. They would have gotten categorized.

00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:46.480
They're playing with Korn with those bands as

00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.639
well. And they're amazing. You know, you can't,

00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:54.159
how can you not like them? I don't, I really,

00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:56.920
sometimes I'm like, but all right, whatever.

00:45:57.380 --> 00:46:00.840
Okay. All right. So coming out of Primus, we've

00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.099
only got a couple songs left here. So we're nearing

00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:06.579
kind of the crescendo of the night. Where do

00:46:06.579 --> 00:46:10.239
we go from Primus? So from Primus, I went, with

00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:13.320
a song by Queensryche off of Operation Mindcrime

00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.760
called Spreading the Disease. Nice. And again,

00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:20.079
I'm looking at this, I'm like, well, I picked

00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.840
a lot of these because of the vocalists. I think

00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.440
when listening to metal, and they've had so many

00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.179
great singers throughout at least my history

00:46:31.179 --> 00:46:33.699
with heavy metal, and I think the history of

00:46:33.699 --> 00:46:36.760
heavy metal, the vocalist is a really important

00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:41.219
part. And Jeff Tate is up there, man. Again,

00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:44.000
easily in the top five, top three greatest singers

00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.960
of all time. Mindcrime is, to me, it's one of

00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.920
the best albums ever recorded. It sounds amazing.

00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:53.440
You know, you listen to it now, it might sound

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.940
a little bit dated and over -processed and stuff,

00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.699
but when it was released, like, holy cow. To

00:47:00.699 --> 00:47:02.920
me, it had the same amount of impact that The

00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.500
Wall had when The Wall was released. Fair. As

00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:10.280
far as the concept album, in my opinion, it holds

00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.659
up against The Wall. The Wall is one of my favorite

00:47:13.659 --> 00:47:17.619
all -time records. And Mindcrime is, again, probably

00:47:17.619 --> 00:47:21.239
in my top 10 favorite albums ever recorded. The

00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.039
story is amazing throughout the album. It's just

00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.619
as, to me, message -wise and stuff, it could

00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:32.940
be put to today's society as much as it was.

00:47:34.409 --> 00:47:37.469
to what was going on back then the lyrics are

00:47:37.469 --> 00:47:40.610
great to look at it as a whole it's unbelievable

00:47:40.610 --> 00:47:43.510
and it makes a tremendous statement like i said

00:47:43.510 --> 00:47:46.409
that still stands up today and spreading the

00:47:46.409 --> 00:47:50.429
disease is just a great song of course yeah his

00:47:50.429 --> 00:47:52.829
voice is amazing in that song like the chorus

00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:57.150
is unbelievable and the whole breakdown and they

00:47:57.150 --> 00:47:59.610
do the weird thing where he's speaking and all

00:47:59.610 --> 00:48:01.369
the different sounds that just the production

00:48:01.369 --> 00:48:06.000
of it is is top -notch another record that just

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.360
sort of changed my perspective on, on music and

00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.659
what is possible really. So I guess my followup

00:48:12.659 --> 00:48:15.579
to that is I discovered Queensryche on the mind

00:48:15.579 --> 00:48:19.260
crime album and then came empire. And then I

00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:22.559
went back to rage for order in the warning. What

00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.440
were your thoughts on empire after mind crime?

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:27.619
Cause I know there's a lot of talk about like,

00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:30.280
Oh, it's. you know, they sold out on Empire,

00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:32.860
and I don't necessarily feel like that's the

00:48:32.860 --> 00:48:36.219
case. I feel like they just went away from a

00:48:36.219 --> 00:48:39.960
concept record, and that was kind of the big

00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.500
difference, because musically, I feel like there

00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.199
are some themes that sway between the two albums.

00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.179
Yeah, well, the song, the title track off of

00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:51.380
Empire is definitely very similar to the statements

00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:54.400
that they were making in Mindcrime. Exactly.

00:48:54.619 --> 00:48:57.699
And that song just is awesome. I'll be honest,

00:48:57.780 --> 00:49:00.679
when... And I think it's because Silent Lucidity,

00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.519
I think that song is what turned a lot of people

00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.260
off. And it turned me off when the album was

00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:10.079
first released. I was like, I'm not even going

00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:15.960
to get it. And probably since sometime in the

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.900
early 2000s, I really started listening to the

00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:20.980
record. And sometime in the last 10 years, I

00:49:20.980 --> 00:49:24.460
really got into that. And the next album, which

00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:28.510
has I Am I on it. And just realizing how good

00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:32.469
those albums are and how Queensryche they are.

00:49:32.710 --> 00:49:39.849
If you pull Mindcrime out of their catalog and

00:49:39.849 --> 00:49:45.170
go from Warning to Rage for Order and skip Mindcrime

00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:48.010
and then go to Empire, it's a seamless progression.

00:49:48.289 --> 00:49:51.380
It makes complete sense. So obviously they were

00:49:51.380 --> 00:49:53.599
going for a specific thing when they did Mindcrime

00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.980
and they really dug into it and everything. And

00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:58.840
then that's sort of going to pull you out. And

00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:00.659
the album just stands out because of all the

00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:04.880
work they did to make this concept record. So,

00:50:04.940 --> 00:50:06.900
yeah, the next thing is going to sort of seem

00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:10.320
left footed, but it's not like if you look at

00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.900
the whole entire sweep of their career, it all

00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:15.500
of it makes sense. And I will say I did find

00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:18.920
it odd when one of those monster ballad compilations

00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.210
came out. And they put Silent Lucidity on a power

00:50:23.210 --> 00:50:26.469
ballads mix. I was like, do they not understand

00:50:26.469 --> 00:50:30.289
who Queensryche is? Silent Lucidity, yes, it's

00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:34.929
a slow, hard rock song for the time. But I mean,

00:50:34.989 --> 00:50:40.010
you play Silent Lucidity next to Miles Away from

00:50:40.010 --> 00:50:45.269
Winger or Love of a Lifetime by Firehouse. Those

00:50:45.269 --> 00:50:49.579
are power ballads. Silent Lucidity is still a

00:50:49.579 --> 00:50:54.139
slower progressive rock song. Yeah. I mean, if

00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:56.159
you listen to everything that's going on, and

00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.260
that's what struck me years later, again, was

00:50:59.260 --> 00:51:02.300
the production of these songs. Like, when you

00:51:02.300 --> 00:51:04.880
listen to how thick everything sounds in it and

00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.860
how full everything, and it's just a great recording.

00:51:08.179 --> 00:51:11.960
And it's now, I love hearing the song. Like,

00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:16.179
I never wanted to. And like I said, it's a great,

00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.320
great song. And I'll put that record on, I don't

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.480
know, probably a week ago. I just listened to

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.980
it. All right. So now we're moving on to track

00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:28.239
11. We're really getting towards the end here.

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.280
How are we coming out of Queensryche? So this

00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.820
is weird, but this is like what I was talking

00:51:34.820 --> 00:51:36.559
about before, where sometimes you just need a

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:41.659
breather. So I picked a Pogue song. Oh. Because

00:51:41.659 --> 00:51:45.320
they're one of my favorite. all -time bands and

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.139
the rum sodomy in the lash was an album i probably

00:51:50.139 --> 00:51:54.039
listened to the record when i first got it for

00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.280
a month two months straight like it was all i

00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.139
listened to even kicking up other pogues records

00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:02.480
and stuff i always went back to rum sodomy in

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.559
the lash it's just amazing from beginning to

00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.059
end every song is gold on that record so i picked

00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:12.679
the song a pair of brown eyes which was It's

00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.179
a beautiful song. It's a beautiful story. It's

00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:20.059
sad. That band extracts so much emotion out of

00:52:20.059 --> 00:52:25.440
me, particularly that record. Shane McGowan was

00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.360
a tragic figure. His life was messed up and everything,

00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.500
but man, he wrote some of the greatest lyrics.

00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:39.500
His voice was so his. It was clearly him singing.

00:52:39.619 --> 00:52:43.199
He wasn't trying to do anything at all. He left

00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.420
the accent in, he left the slurring in, he left

00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:51.079
whatever it was, and he just belted these songs

00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.460
out. And they're so cathartic, like listening

00:52:54.460 --> 00:52:57.559
to them. You go through everything that he's

00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:03.019
saying. And that song, again, it's a great, sad

00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:07.519
story. And if we're looking at a set like this

00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.519
to have something to just mellow out, and it's

00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.920
really like... The chorus, everybody could sing

00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.239
if they know the song. You know, it's a big sing

00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.880
-along chorus and stuff. And it's a great song.

00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.400
And again, it's another song that just embodies

00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.780
what the Pogues are, what Shane, who Shane was.

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.079
And it's one of my all -time favorites there.

00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.519
You know, this is something that if Mo were to

00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.599
do like an acoustic style set, I could actually

00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.159
hear this going over really well with songs like

00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.239
Raise a Glass. thematically and musically, I

00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:42.019
feel like there's a little bit of a connection

00:53:42.019 --> 00:53:46.000
here. I would love, love to play the song with

00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.579
Mo in an acoustic setting. It would be awesome.

00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.940
Especially now Nate can play flute on it and

00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:54.400
it would just sound very authentic and it's,

00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.179
I would love to do it. All right. Well, we are

00:53:58.179 --> 00:54:03.260
at track 12. So out of the pogues, we're going

00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:07.539
to step it up many notches. We're going to go

00:54:07.539 --> 00:54:11.619
to Metallica's Ride the Lightning album and Trapped

00:54:11.619 --> 00:54:16.000
Under Ice. Wow. This is one of the B -side, the

00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.039
sort of deeper cut songs, I think, that I picked.

00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.059
Because off of that album, everybody talks about

00:54:22.059 --> 00:54:24.179
By Fire With Fire. Obviously, the title track,

00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:26.300
Fade to Black at the end of the second side.

00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:30.559
Yeah, these big songs. But Trapped Under Ice

00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.639
is a B -side song. And man, the first time I

00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.900
heard it. that just blew me away like it is fast

00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:44.139
and heavy and it's like just the concept of the

00:54:44.139 --> 00:54:48.079
song i mean my god and he describes it being

00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.940
trapped under ice like that is it's a definitely

00:54:51.940 --> 00:54:55.920
a fear of mine ever since i saw the omen when

00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.380
i was a little kid holy cow that just seems like

00:54:59.380 --> 00:55:01.800
the most frightening thing and they just embodied

00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.420
it in a song and it always that It's the song

00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:08.280
off that record that hits me the hardest. Yeah,

00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:10.239
I won't even say it's the best song off the record,

00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.059
but man, leaving an impression, that song does

00:55:13.059 --> 00:55:17.920
it. Now it's according to setlist .fm. This has

00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.340
only been played 29 times. I'd have to go on

00:55:21.340 --> 00:55:24.239
Metallica site to really like dig. I do a lot

00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:25.940
of research for the show, but not that much.

00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:29.079
Is this a wishlist song for you? Or were you

00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.480
ever at one of those 29 magical shows where it

00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.860
was played? I was not. It is a wishlist song

00:55:35.860 --> 00:55:39.019
for me. They played, I saw them at Darien Lake

00:55:39.019 --> 00:55:43.139
with Danzig and the Suicidal Tendencies. And

00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:47.000
they used to do a thing called the pile of shit.

00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.559
And they would, it was a medley of all the songs

00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.039
that from previous albums that they don't really

00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.219
play anymore and stuff. And that's the closest

00:55:57.219 --> 00:56:01.219
I saw to them doing it was them playing the riff

00:56:01.219 --> 00:56:05.809
and stuff and the groove through this. But I've

00:56:05.809 --> 00:56:08.869
never seen the entire song. Nor have I. And I

00:56:08.869 --> 00:56:10.630
don't think I think I could speak for both of

00:56:10.630 --> 00:56:12.869
us that unless you were at that Orion Festival

00:56:12.869 --> 00:56:16.409
that they did back in New Jersey in the 2000s,

00:56:16.409 --> 00:56:18.769
we haven't seen Escape either because that was

00:56:18.769 --> 00:56:22.210
the only time the song was ever played. No. Yeah,

00:56:22.329 --> 00:56:24.469
there's a lot of their songs that I've never

00:56:24.469 --> 00:56:28.530
seen. I have seen at that same show, though,

00:56:28.570 --> 00:56:32.090
they did play Dire's Eve for maybe the second

00:56:32.090 --> 00:56:34.969
time they ever played it live. I would love for

00:56:34.969 --> 00:56:37.789
them to do justice in its entirety. I love justice.

00:56:37.869 --> 00:56:40.429
Like justice is my favorite Metallica album.

00:56:40.469 --> 00:56:42.530
And I catch a lot of flack from people, especially

00:56:42.530 --> 00:56:46.130
because I love master of puppets, ride the lightning,

00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:49.610
kill them all. But justice for me, even though

00:56:49.610 --> 00:56:54.090
the base and there's all that controversy, there's

00:56:54.090 --> 00:56:58.269
something about that album that just hits the

00:56:58.269 --> 00:57:01.489
progressiveness of it. There was a story behind

00:57:01.489 --> 00:57:05.380
it. And it was the first physical Metallica album

00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:07.519
I ever bought. I went to the Sam Goody at the

00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:10.579
Garden State Plaza in New Jersey. I went to buy

00:57:10.579 --> 00:57:13.500
the cassette. And this was the best mistake that

00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:15.639
ever happened to my wife. I went to buy the cassette

00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.019
and they were sold out. And the woman said, we

00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:21.820
only have it on vinyl. And I was like, oh, man.

00:57:22.579 --> 00:57:25.920
And my mom said, look, it's your birthday. You

00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.940
could get the vinyl and I'll buy you a blank

00:57:27.940 --> 00:57:30.079
cassette so you could record it on the cassette.

00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:33.659
And I was like. because cassettes were all the

00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:37.360
rage in the late 80s. In hindsight, I still have

00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.940
that vinyl framed in my basement, and it was

00:57:39.940 --> 00:57:42.719
the best quote -unquote mistake that ever happened

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.960
to me because I still have it on the original

00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.940
vinyl. That's awesome. That is a great mistake.

00:57:48.460 --> 00:57:53.260
Yeah. So at this point, it is track 12, and it

00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:55.639
would be the close of the night. So I'll ask,

00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:58.480
is there an encore that you would choose for

00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.940
your ultimate concert? Yeah, I couldn't do 12

00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:07.039
songs when you sent the thing out. Because I

00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.780
didn't know where to put this song, but I couldn't

00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:12.179
leave it out. Actually, I knew it was going to

00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:14.420
be the last song. But by the time I got through

00:58:14.420 --> 00:58:18.039
12, I was like, oh, man. So I picked Pink Floyd's

00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:22.059
The Trial off the wall. Wow. And like I said,

00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:25.219
The Wall is one of my all -time favorite albums.

00:58:25.300 --> 00:58:27.440
I spent a long time listening to that record

00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.940
every day, over and over and over. That was my

00:58:30.940 --> 00:58:32.940
first year in college is kind of what I spent

00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:36.460
doing, which is kind of why I dropped out. But

00:58:36.460 --> 00:58:41.340
that's a whole other story. But this song, it

00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:44.599
caps off the record and it kind of, first of

00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.380
all, it goes through everything that the rest

00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:52.079
of the record explained about this guy's life

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:56.219
and who we assume was Sid Barrett. From when

00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:58.599
he was a kid, all the way through all his relationships

00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.460
with his mom, his teachers, the women in his

00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:05.300
life and everything. And this, you know, so the

00:59:05.300 --> 00:59:10.420
trial lets all of them speak against him in what

00:59:10.420 --> 00:59:13.679
is a trial at the end of this record. And if

00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.440
you listen to this song in headphones, holy cow.

00:59:17.900 --> 00:59:20.159
I mean, there's timpani, there's an orchestra,

00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.400
there's all these different voices. There's...

00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.480
The judge, like I said, his mom, his wife, ex

00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:33.139
-wife, wife, his teacher, the usher for the court

00:59:33.139 --> 00:59:37.000
and him. And plus like a group of background

00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.500
singers in it and just all this stuff going on.

00:59:40.579 --> 00:59:44.179
And it is unbelievable. Like, again, it was one

00:59:44.179 --> 00:59:45.820
of those songs that the first time I heard it,

00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.679
I was just thinking, I didn't know you could

00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:53.690
do this. Like, not only. Is it possible to do

00:59:53.690 --> 00:59:56.530
something like this? But you're allowed to. And

00:59:56.530 --> 00:59:59.030
you're allowed to put it on a record. And you're

00:59:59.030 --> 01:00:01.070
allowed to have a song like this on one of the

01:00:01.070 --> 01:00:04.550
greatest selling records. People love that album

01:00:04.550 --> 01:00:07.809
from beginning to end. And it's not just about

01:00:07.809 --> 01:00:10.110
another brick in the wall and comfortably numb.

01:00:10.730 --> 01:00:16.210
This song just caps this whole amazing journey

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off. And it's perfect. By the time you're done

01:00:19.510 --> 01:00:22.519
hearing this, you're just worn out. Trying to

01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.119
listen to everything that's happening and really

01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:27.320
understanding the rest of the whole entire story

01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:33.039
and what happened. That's it. You can't do anything

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more. This song just ends an album perfectly.

01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:39.599
If they played it in a show, this being the last

01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:43.079
song, it would probably take me 20 minutes to

01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:47.119
get up and leave because it's trying to digest

01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.760
all of it. Yeah, so I had to have it on this

01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:54.159
list, and obviously it had to be last. Well,

01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:55.960
I mentioned with the Pogues that I could hear

01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.119
Moe doing them acoustically. I could hear Moe

01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.880
doing the trial, segwaying in and out of some

01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.440
Moe songs. I'm not going to lie. It could work.

01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.980
It's one of those things that I think about when

01:01:09.980 --> 01:01:13.480
we did the Peach Fest Pink Floyd tribute. We

01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.400
did a lot of songs off the wall. And I got to

01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.099
sing most of them because there's a lot of screamy

01:01:20.099 --> 01:01:22.500
stuff and I always do the screamy stuff. And

01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:25.119
it's just that every time I hear this song, it's

01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:29.320
one of those things where I don't know if I'd

01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:32.260
want to hear it without the timpanis, if I would

01:01:32.260 --> 01:01:34.639
want to hear it without the string section. Like

01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:38.340
there's a lot of things about Pink Floyd. And

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:41.320
I always used to say, like, if you can't play

01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:43.559
a Pink Floyd song perfectly, don't bother playing

01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.730
it. I don't necessarily believe that anymore,

01:01:47.050 --> 01:01:51.889
but certain songs, if you're not going to do

01:01:51.889 --> 01:01:54.969
this song, a lot of justice don't do this song.

01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:59.110
If you're not going to play those guitar solo

01:01:59.110 --> 01:02:01.690
in Hotel California exactly how they play it,

01:02:01.730 --> 01:02:05.429
you're going to disappoint a lot of people. You've

01:02:05.429 --> 01:02:08.289
heard this stuff so many times and there's certain

01:02:08.289 --> 01:02:12.639
songs throughout rock and roll that It's so ingrained

01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.940
in you. If a band covers it and it's not either

01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:20.239
something completely different and awesome, it's

01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.300
got to be almost spot on or else people are going

01:02:23.300 --> 01:02:28.000
to be like, they tried. This is one of those

01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.679
songs that I wouldn't want a they tried. It would

01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.699
be awesome to have an orchestra and do this song

01:02:35.699 --> 01:02:38.360
with an orchestra behind us. That would be unbelievable.

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.679
Make it happen. I could see a Moe Orchestra tour.

01:02:42.179 --> 01:02:47.519
I would love that. Holy cow. Well, there you

01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.400
have it, folks. Jim Laughlin's ultimate concert

01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.380
set list, which kicked off with Meshuggah's Bleed,

01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:57.659
Black Sabbath's Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, KRS -One's

01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:02.219
Hold, Black Sabbath's The Mob Rules, Judas Priest's

01:03:02.219 --> 01:03:05.099
Screaming for Vengeance, Coheed and Cambria's

01:03:05.099 --> 01:03:09.210
Ten Speed of God's Blood and Burial, Iron Maiden's

01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:13.150
The Trooper, Rush's Xanadu, Primus' Ballad of

01:03:13.150 --> 01:03:15.929
Bodacious, Queensryche's Spreading the Disease,

01:03:16.449 --> 01:03:19.670
The Pogues' A Pair of Brown Eyes, Metallica's

01:03:19.670 --> 01:03:22.750
Trapped Under Ice, and Pink Floyd's The Trial.

01:03:22.889 --> 01:03:25.650
Remember, you can hear a playlist featuring all

01:03:25.650 --> 01:03:29.670
of these songs over on the episode page at myweeklymixtape

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.com. Now, Jim, I know you mentioned you've messed

01:03:34.969 --> 01:03:38.760
around with the mob rules in most sets. You didn't

01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:41.179
do the trial, but if you had to pick one of these

01:03:41.179 --> 01:03:46.380
songs to introduce into Mo's set list this summer,

01:03:46.539 --> 01:03:49.280
which do you think would be the most realistic

01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:53.860
choice that the band could do justice to? Wow.

01:03:56.940 --> 01:04:02.719
Well, we've done The Trooper once, and this was

01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:04.679
one of the songs, and I sang the song, and we

01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:08.050
did a pretty convincing job of it. It's a hard

01:04:08.050 --> 01:04:12.130
song to sing, but I'd probably say that one.

01:04:12.550 --> 01:04:15.929
If not a pair of brown eyes, I would say The

01:04:15.929 --> 01:04:19.369
Troopers probably. If we got time to rework it

01:04:19.369 --> 01:04:22.869
and do it again, we can definitely do that one.

01:04:23.329 --> 01:04:25.789
All right. We've done Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath

01:04:25.789 --> 01:04:29.349
as well, when the Black Sabbath sort of tribute

01:04:29.349 --> 01:04:32.489
-y Halloween show. Oh, you're right. Yes. Yeah.

01:04:32.570 --> 01:04:35.739
That was in Philly, correct? Yes. I was not at

01:04:35.739 --> 01:04:38.840
that one, unfortunately. It was fun. That was

01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.139
the first time we did Mob Rules as well. And

01:04:41.139 --> 01:04:44.400
I sang both those songs. And yeah, that middle

01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.840
part of Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath is really tough,

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:52.539
man. I couldn't talk much the next day after

01:04:52.539 --> 01:04:55.400
that show. It makes sense. That's fair. Very

01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.940
fair. So Jim, if you were given full reigns like

01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:01.340
you were tonight to pick your ultimate concert

01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:04.230
set list, if you were given full reigns, for

01:05:04.230 --> 01:05:08.789
your own personal opinion of a five song Mo set.

01:05:09.070 --> 01:05:11.690
So this means you're not thinking fans. This

01:05:11.690 --> 01:05:14.809
is just your personal five song Mo set. Cause

01:05:14.809 --> 01:05:17.909
let's be honest, a five song Mo set could be

01:05:17.909 --> 01:05:22.630
easily a full hour long set. Which five songs

01:05:22.630 --> 01:05:31.949
would you pick? Let's see. Same old story. Annihilation.

01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:41.179
Huh. Rainshine? I have to throw Meat in there

01:05:41.179 --> 01:05:44.099
as one of the classics, but I love playing that

01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:50.219
song. And, huh. What would the fifth song be?

01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:58.500
Overlewd? Oh. That's a fun song. Very cool. Now,

01:05:58.539 --> 01:06:02.010
Circle of Giants is still in its infancy. came

01:06:02.010 --> 01:06:04.630
out this year. And I'll remind all the My Weekly

01:06:04.630 --> 01:06:07.010
Mixtape listeners that there's a full album dive

01:06:07.010 --> 01:06:09.929
episode of the record over at myweeklymixtape

01:06:09.929 --> 01:06:13.630
.com. And during that episode, you dropped some

01:06:13.630 --> 01:06:16.110
knowledge about a studio recording of Bear Song

01:06:16.110 --> 01:06:19.670
that didn't make the final cut. Any updates on

01:06:19.670 --> 01:06:23.469
when fans will get a chance to hear that? We

01:06:23.469 --> 01:06:26.630
still haven't decided what we're going to do

01:06:26.630 --> 01:06:29.969
with it yet. Possibly one of the best options.

01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:35.239
that we can do is find another song that we haven't

01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:39.739
released and maybe a 12 inch you know a and b

01:06:39.739 --> 01:06:41.880
side with bear song on one side and something

01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.260
else on the other george excuse me sorry that

01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:48.880
that's one of the songs that that yeah we've

01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:53.559
never we never it we tried and it just at the

01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:56.139
time we tried to record it it didn't hit right

01:06:56.139 --> 01:06:58.099
and it didn't fit with the rest of the record

01:06:58.099 --> 01:07:01.460
so That's something we should probably look into.

01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.019
That would be a great song for it. There's a

01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:07.480
handful of other older ones, but yeah, we, we

01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.500
don't have a definitive plan for it yet. Right

01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:13.300
now it's, it's sitting in the locker ready to

01:07:13.300 --> 01:07:16.099
go, but we're not sure when to release it upon

01:07:16.099 --> 01:07:19.019
the people. I'll have to ask the next time you're

01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:22.019
on the show, Jim, this has been an absolute blast.

01:07:22.300 --> 01:07:24.659
Thank you so much for joining me. I can't wait

01:07:24.659 --> 01:07:26.820
to talk to you the next time. Oh, absolutely.

01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.679
Absolutely. I always enjoy doing it. And remember,

01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.019
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