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Hey, this is John Laurie of Tantric, and you

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are listening to My Weekly Mixtape with Brian

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Colburn. Man, if only there was some way I could

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four count into this thing. Welcome to My Weekly

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Mixtape, a podcast that takes the classic mixtape

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approach to building a modern playlist. I'm your

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host, Brian Colburn. Joining me for tonight's

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collaboration is John Lurie, drummer for Tantric.

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John, thank you so much for joining me tonight,

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man. Ah, thanks for having me on. It's going

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to be a blast. Oh, we're going to have a good

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time tonight. I want to kick things off with

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the question I like to ask all of my guests right

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at the jump. What does the word mixtape mean

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to you? Ah, that's a good question. I wasn't

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prepared for that question. But when I think

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of a mixtape, obviously there's the idea of a

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mixtape with a cassette where you would get all

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of your favorite songs onto a cassette and then

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play that in your car. And for a while, my car,

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I drove around for the better part of my early

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years in a 93 Toyota Camry that only had a cassette

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player. So we'd have mixtapes of like... Kiss

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and then the B side of it was like Rush. Like

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the mixtapes didn't make any sense. So that's

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what I think about. But then I also think about

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my early years where it wasn't a tape anymore,

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but it was like a CD and we would burn CDs of

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like I would get like super hyped up about a

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band like Avenged Sevenfold. Right. And I would

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burn all of my favorite Avenged songs onto a

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CD and then listen to that. And that was my mix.

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And now we've got. playlists so it's like that's

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a mixtape but that you know i i don't know that's

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a tough question yeah playlists are different

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because you kind of just drag the songs in and

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they're there but when you were making a mixtape

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or a mix cd a lot of focus went into the order

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of the songs and the story you're trying to tell

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whereas now most people just drag 50 songs onto

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a playlist and hit shuffle and you kind of remove

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that element. And that's what we're trying to

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bring back through this show is actually thinking

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about the songs you're going to pick. I love

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it. I love it. That's such a, it's like you really

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think about, even when I was creating my ideas

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or whatever, it's like, you're just dragging

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and dropping. Like I'm not even doing anything

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that takes skill or time or like a CD burner,

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you know, like I used to have. So it's kind of

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crazy that that's where we're at. But I love

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this idea. I'm super excited to talk about all

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of these songs. Well, tonight, John and I will

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be curating a mixtape of the greatest drum tracks,

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and that's Genres Be Damned. So there are endless

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directions we can go with this tonight. For me

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personally, I was looking for one of three things

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in each of the songs I chose. One, if the song

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has an iconic beat. Two, if the drums were recorded

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with a signature sound in mind. And three, if

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the drummer has an epic mastery of their craft.

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So I've got a list that's full of endless possibilities.

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And I'm really curious to see how this unfolds.

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John, what were you looking for being a drummer

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yourself? I'm not a drummer. I'm a bass player.

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So coming from it as a person who plays this

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instrument. Seven days a week. What were you

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looking for in the songs that you brought to

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the table this evening? Very much the same thing.

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And I think it was so difficult for me because

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it would be like there were a couple of songs

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that were kind of, you know, they're layups,

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right? You already know that that's going to

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be on the list. Like it kind of has to be there.

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And then there are other songs where I'm like,

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oh, I hold such a place in my heart as me learning

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the drums as a kid. And so it's like that's iconic

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to me, even though it might not be iconic to

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everyone. And I still tried to stay with everyone

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in mind. My other criteria, because of all of

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this, I'm like thinking to myself, OK, what makes

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a groove or a fill or a drum tone iconic? Like,

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what is that? It almost. takes the place of the

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lead singer and takes the place of the guitar

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player and stands out on its own. And I'm like

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thinking, OK, when you go to concerts and you

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see that one guy in the crowd and he's air drumming,

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that's an iconic drum song that I was trying

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to think, what are songs that guys air drum to

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at concerts? And that is kind of where my list

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took me. But then again, like I had songs on

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here that are just iconic to me and I just rolled

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with that. So it's really tough as a drummer

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to pick this objectively because of all the subjectivity

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that I've had in my life learning this instrument.

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Awesome. Awesome. Well, let's get down to business

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tonight. As I mentioned, John and I will be curating

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a greatest drum tracks mixtape, and we're going

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to use that old cassette deck approach, meaning

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our mixtape will be broken up into two sides,

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side A and side B. John is my special guest.

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We'll begin side A with his first song choice,

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and then I'll add a song that I feel best follows

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up. his choice. We'll then flip -flop choosing

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songs until we've mapped out 10 songs for side

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A. We'll then give our mixtape a proverbial flip

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and we'll map out side B, only this time I'll

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kick things off with John choosing second. Overall,

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our goal for tonight is to craft the best drum

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tracks mixtape possible. through only 20 songs.

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At the end of the show, you can take our conversation

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to the next level by visiting the greatest drum

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tracks page at myweeklymixtape .com and give

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our final mixtape a listen via the embedded playlist.

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Finally, if you like what you're hearing on the

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show, please consider becoming a Patreon mixtaper

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at patreon .com forward slash myweeklymixtape.

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Now, John, before I turn it over to you to reveal

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your track one, some of the fellow mixtapers

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who follow me at My Weekly Mixtape on Facebook,

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Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok have chimed in

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with their ideal opening tracks for a Greatest

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Drum Tracks mixtape, and I wanted to share a

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few of them now just to give you and I some food

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for thought. Patreon mixtaper Cactus Pete chimed

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in with Rush's Tom Sawyer, along with Michael

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from Michael's Record Collection. And Cactus

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Pete chimed in with Van Halen's Hot for Teacher,

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along with Bobby from the F 'n Cultured podcast.

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Patreon mixtape or Two Vague podcast chimed in

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with Frida's I Know There's Something Going On.

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Eric Chael chimed in with Kisses, Creatures of

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the Night. Chris Bearpaw chimed in with Dave

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Brubeck Quartet's Take Five or Benny Goodman's

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Sing, Sing, Sing. Rob Jones chimed in with the

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Pixies' La La Love You. Songs That Don't Suck

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chimed in with Led Zeppelin's When the Levee

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Breaks. Jim Bricker chimed in with Tower of Power's

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Squib Cakes. Mantools Media chimed in with Iron

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Maiden's Where Eagles Dare. X Radio X Podcast

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chimed in with the intro to Dire Straits' Money

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for Nothing. Count Vlad chimed in with White

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Noise, Black Mass, and Electric Storm in Hell.

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And finally, Lance Levine chimed in with Fleetwood

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Mac's Tusk. So I have just hit every genre from

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jazz to funk to rock to metal. John, with those

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picks out in the universe, I'm officially pressing

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the record button on our mixtape and the floor

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is yours. Why don't you dive into the song you

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chose to kick off side A? Side A, and you could

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probably guess it because we've talked about

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it before, is Black Dog by Led Zeppelin. And

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let me just preface all of this by saying. I

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don't think there's a right answer and I don't

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think there's a wrong answer to any of this.

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And I just like this is the hardest thing because

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people will go, oh, how could you say that? That's

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definitely not even the best Led Zeppelin, John

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Bonham beat, you know, or it'll be like, oh,

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well, Led Zeppelin, that can't be the best one.

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It's got to be, you know, I don't know, whatever.

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And you just go, I know, I know, but I just have

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to pick for myself. And if I'm picking for myself

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as number one, I am one of the biggest John Bonham

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fans of all time. And there's a bunch of us.

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He changed the modern face of drumming for what

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it is. And you and I have had our conversations

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about Led Zeppelin. And it's just his drumming

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and his pocket and his feel. And even I was trying

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to pick best. Led Zeppelin song, which is so

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hard to do. Best Bonham influence song. That's

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so hard to do. But when you look at what Black

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Dog is, it's a rock song, number one. It's a

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rock song with an odd drum beat behind a riff

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that should be... And he took it and made it

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a backbeat and totally transformed... The thing.

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You know, of course, it doesn't translate well

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when I'm the one that's just like air drumming

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it myself. But you get the idea is that he totally

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changed the modern face of drumming. And this

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song in particular is so great. The drums are

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fat. The fills are big. Everything about John

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Bonham is in this song. And I could have picked

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20 Led Zeppelin songs, if not more, that could

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have fit in this spot. That's what I'm going

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with. I love it. You obviously scooped me with

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Led Zeppelin. Why would we not talk about John

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Bonham? I'm glad he's kicking things off. I actually

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went with Moby Dick from Led Zeppelin 2 because

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I thought you've got this amazing drum beat in

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the beginning and then you've got a solo in the

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middle, which. There's not many songs that have

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drum solos in them anymore. So I kind of wanted

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to go with one. And this is that was kind of

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John Bonham's moment to shine. But I love what

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you said about Black Dog. He could have very

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easily played a different beat for that song,

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and it would have completely changed the impact

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that his backbeat style has with that riff. I

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actually chose Black Dog as one of my greatest

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opening guitar riff songs all the way back on

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episode one. And I talked about the fact that

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the riff is amazing. But if you put a different

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beat behind it, it's a totally different song

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and the riff might not be as good. But I really

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believe that Bonham's backbeat on that song made

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the guitar even more iconic because of the way

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it sat over what the band was doing. underneath

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of it right i totally agree with that that song

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would have not been the same had it not been

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for his idea to change that beat on its head

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and turn it around and then you've got these

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fills you've got the way even the live aspect

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of them as a band recording it it's not to a

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click obviously you can hear that so for them

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to be so tight you hear that little stick click

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in the very beginning of each phrase when they

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come in that you hear that little stick click

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they had to be like all in sync with one another

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and have that totally rehearsed in order to pull

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that thing off in a live recording to tape like

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that is it's nuts and the drums just really bring

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that whole thing out and you know Classic John

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Bonham fills. We call it the bucket of fish fill.

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Bucket of fish, bucket of fish, bucket of fish.

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And so those are all classic John Bonham fills

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in there. And it's also classic John Bonham to

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not overplay, too. He could have done like a

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ton of crazy drum fills, but especially that

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one fill that's at the very tail end of the song.

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He has like this really simple fill leading into

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a really cool drum beat. He didn't need anything

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bigger than that. So it's like he just was the

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king of pocket, the king of not overplaying and

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overplaying when needed with songs like Moby

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Dick. So again, hard decision to make, but that's

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the one I went with. Alright, and following that

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up, I want to keep that energy going. You've

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got that Black Dog energy. And I want that second

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song to really follow it up, but I want the opening

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beat to be the iconic standout part of this song.

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So I'm going to go back to 1975's Toys in the

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Attic, and I'm going to go with my man Joey Kramer

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from Aerosmith. And I'm going to go walk this

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way. It's an obvious classic rock staple. But

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this beat is so iconic that nearly a decade later,

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it was iconic in both the classic rock arena

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and then the hip hop arena. Because Run DMC and

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Aerosmith took that exact same beat and turned

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it into an iconic song for another generation.

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And then you fast forward. Digital underground

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sampled that beat and put it into same song in

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the movie. Nothing but trouble. Again, that beat

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is iconic. All you need to hear is the, you know,

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what's happening. It doesn't matter what version

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of the song, you know, the song within like,

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if that's on hurdle, I'm getting it in one second.

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That is the kind of drum beat that is iconic.

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It is not a complicated drum beat, but it pulls

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you right in. And the rest of the band just does

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the work on it. And if it wasn't for that beat,

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Walk This Way would not be the iconic song it

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is today. So following up Black Dog, I'm going

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to go with Aerosmith, Walk This Way. Love it.

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Love it. Oh, you were reading my mind for the

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second slot on this thing. I was looking at my

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list and I'm like, I bet I know where he's going.

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And then you said Toys in the Attic. And I was

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like, oh, he's saying it. He's doing it. That's

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the song. So we were very much in sync on that

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one. Love it. Love it. That's exactly everything

00:14:49.940 --> 00:14:53.139
you just said is, you know, from that first hi

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-hat hit, like you get that hi -hat bark. If

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you just hear that, you're like, oh, I know what

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song it is. Like you already know. It's so. iconic

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and of course you know very timeless um it's

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one of those songs that has just transcended

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the generations and will probably continue to

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they're you know probably in in my opinion the

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greatest american rock band that was able to

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just transcend you know they didn't die out with

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the 70s like so many bands did they didn't die

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out in the 80s they were 90s 2000s so many years

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later even to this point of just total stardom.

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Their household name always will be. And part

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of it is that groove and just simple. Right.

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It's I feel like we're going to talk a lot about

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songs being simple grooves, but so effective

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to the point of that making that song so iconic

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that song wouldn't have been the same if it wasn't

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for that group. All right. Now you have the tough

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challenge of following those two songs up. That

00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.090
is tough. But I will say. Going along with that,

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I was trying to figure out what would go well

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with the next song. I don't want to totally kill

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momentum as far as I could picture myself listening

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to this in the car and going, well, I'm still

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hyped up. So I still want to continue to be hyped

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up. And I would go for Alex Van Halen, Hot for

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Teacher, Van Halen. We knew it was going to hit

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the list eventually. It's just a matter of when.

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And I think that this is the perfect time for

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it, because if you're listening to a drummer's

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iconic drum track song, this has to at least

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be somewhere early on in the list, I think. I

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love that. What the absolute hell is he doing?

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Like, when you hear it for the first time, it

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almost sounds like there's seven drummers playing

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at once. There's just so much happening. Before

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he even gets into the beat, whatever he's doing,

00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.980
just kind of building into the beat. And then

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when that beat hits, you're hyped before any

00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.660
other music happens. It just instantly catches

00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:16.180
you. And I mean, you talk about the greats like

00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:18.579
Neil Peart and you talk about, you know, the

00:17:18.579 --> 00:17:21.480
progressive drummers like Mike Portnoy. Alex

00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.160
Van Halen has to be in that in that realm, even

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though he didn't really go there a lot in Van

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Halen. But. Hot for Teacher, oh, he went there

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and it is so good and it is so perfect. And again,

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I've heard cover bands attempt that song and

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it's hard because if the drummer doesn't perfect

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it, it doesn't matter if you have Eddie Van Halen

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on stage with you. If the drummer doesn't get

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that part right, the song's over. You've lost.

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What's crazy is from what I know about the song,

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it's layered bass drum tracks on top of one another.

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So physically impossible to do if you're doing

00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.759
every single note and every single hit that's

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in there. It's like four bass drum tracks, you

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know, kind of layered together in order to create

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that very intro. When he did it live, he did

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it live and it sounded pretty darn close to the

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record. Right. And anybody that starts off that

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drum intro, you know what's coming. You know

00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:28.059
exactly what the song is. You're not going to

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start that intro and then go into like, you know,

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a Cher song. You're going to start that intro

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and you're going to play half for teacher. The

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thing I also love about. Alex Van Halen and why

00:18:38.980 --> 00:18:42.380
he's so underrated because everybody knows Neil

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Peart. Everybody knows Mike Portnoy. Like you

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said, everybody knows Bonham and Bill Ward and

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whatever. And somehow Alex Van Halen always flies

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under the radar because it's Eddie is really

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the big part of that band. And then two front

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men who are just like over the top front men.

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You've got Sammy Hagar and David Lee Roth and

00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.619
Alex somehow flies under the radar. But he should

00:19:06.619 --> 00:19:10.759
be acknowledged for how jazzy of a player he

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was. He was a jazz drummer, right? Like, no doubt

00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.859
about it. He was a jazz drummer playing in a

00:19:15.859 --> 00:19:19.279
hard rock band. And in all of the Van Halen discography,

00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.160
especially the early stuff, there was a lot of

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jazz and blues and things of that nature in it

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to where you're like, oh, he's the perfect fit

00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:30.980
for this band. Could you imagine Van Halen with

00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:33.660
anyone else on the drums? It's like he was a

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jazz drummer first and foremost. And he took

00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.420
that playing style to a hard rock level. And

00:19:40.420 --> 00:19:45.259
you're just, listen to isolated drum tracks of

00:19:45.259 --> 00:19:47.980
Alex Van Halen. And you'll really see the genius

00:19:47.980 --> 00:19:50.859
of what was going on behind his playing. Crazy

00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:52.900
ride stuff. Like talk about, don't even talk

00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:55.500
about the very intro of Hot for Teacher. When

00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:57.599
he eventually switches to the ride, what that

00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.380
right hand's doing, that swing pattern. Like,

00:20:00.460 --> 00:20:02.819
come on, that thing is ridiculous. It's hard

00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:06.460
to do. It's a big challenge. So, yeah, it's got

00:20:06.460 --> 00:20:08.539
to be number three on the list, I think. Well,

00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:10.759
I am going to follow. You have a drummer here

00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.819
in Alex Van Halen that has to follow one of the

00:20:13.819 --> 00:20:16.680
greatest guitarists of all time. He's behind

00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.259
one of the greatest guitarists of all time. So

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I'm going to follow that up with a drummer who

00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.740
was behind one of the greatest guitarists of

00:20:24.740 --> 00:20:27.259
all time. And I'm going to go all the way back

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to 1967. And I'm going to go with Mitch Mitchell.

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on the album Are You Experienced? And I'm going

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to go with the Jimi Hendrix experience and Fire.

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Ah, yeah. It has an upbeat, rockin' nature. But

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if you listen to that song, the beat is anything

00:20:47.289 --> 00:20:50.970
other than ordinary. He's got a little bit of

00:20:50.970 --> 00:20:53.509
a funk thing going. He's flexing the snare a

00:20:53.509 --> 00:20:57.339
lot. He's going, you know, boom. And it really

00:20:57.339 --> 00:21:00.720
drives the song into other levels. And he's doing

00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.900
a ton of fills and it's very manic. And he somehow

00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:07.740
keeps up with Jimmy. I had the amazing opportunity

00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:10.359
to see Mitch Mitchell perform before he passed

00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.920
away at one of the Jimi Hendrix tribute concerts

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that would tour around the country. And seeing

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him play was other world. Obviously, he was up

00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:22.319
in age at this point, but the. pocket in the

00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.400
skill that he had was just as exciting to watch

00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.900
as the guitarists on stage that were burning

00:21:28.900 --> 00:21:32.579
up Hendrix solos. So for me, again, being behind

00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.940
one of the greatest of all times is not an easy

00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.960
thing to do, but Mitch Mitchell pulled it off

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and I'm going with Jimi Hendrix experience and

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fire. Love it. Oh, I had that on my ideas of

00:21:45.099 --> 00:21:48.380
songs to talk about. And that's like right underneath

00:21:48.380 --> 00:21:50.990
hot for teacher. I'm not even kidding. And so

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that was the next one that came to my mind when

00:21:53.390 --> 00:21:56.069
I was thinking about these iconic drum grooves.

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And I was like, OK, well, I haven't really talked

00:21:59.430 --> 00:22:02.009
about all of the songs yet, of course, on my

00:22:02.009 --> 00:22:03.869
thing. But I'm like, I was thinking about Hot

00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:06.349
for Teacher and I was like, OK, what else? What

00:22:06.349 --> 00:22:09.349
else is jazzy? What else is in that realm of

00:22:09.349 --> 00:22:14.589
like 70s iconic drum parts? And Fire for sure

00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:17.019
was the next one that came to my mind. I was

00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:20.460
like, oh, Mitch Mitchell. You got to figure all

00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:23.579
these guys of this generation because we've kind

00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:27.119
of stayed relatively in the same age range of

00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.539
drummers. Right. There's nobody totally new yet.

00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.779
And so all of these guys were jazz guys because

00:22:32.779 --> 00:22:35.220
rock music wasn't really a thing. Right. They

00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.900
were inventing it as they were playing. Right.

00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:40.900
So all of his fills were very much based in rudiments,

00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.640
very snare drumming, very articulate and just.

00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.880
jazzy playing nothing super heavy, but just that,

00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:54.500
that pop, that upbeat, that very, you know, fills

00:22:54.500 --> 00:22:58.259
all over the place style of playing. And I love

00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:00.200
it. That's like the seventies to me. When you

00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:02.140
think of guys like that, you got to think of

00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:04.579
Mitch Mitchell, not very much a household name

00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:07.579
comparatively to the other ones on the list.

00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:10.299
But if it wasn't for him, that song would sound

00:23:10.299 --> 00:23:13.779
totally different, sound totally different. And

00:23:13.779 --> 00:23:16.250
you needed to bring it to be. behind Hendrix.

00:23:16.410 --> 00:23:19.009
I mean, come on, let's be honest here. Yeah.

00:23:19.349 --> 00:23:23.150
So now you got to follow that up. Oh man. Okay.

00:23:23.349 --> 00:23:26.930
I kind of like it's, it's so, Oh, this is tough.

00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:29.309
This is tough. I didn't expect us to be in this

00:23:29.309 --> 00:23:38.410
situation so early on. Um, um, Oh geez. Okay.

00:23:38.549 --> 00:23:40.750
All right. I've got an idea. I've got an idea

00:23:40.750 --> 00:23:44.309
and it might not be a good idea, but I think

00:23:44.309 --> 00:23:52.299
that this, is in the realm similarly to... I

00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:54.839
don't want to do that. Okay, I'm changing my

00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:56.599
mind. I'm changing my mind, and I'm going to

00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.160
go with... Because this is so tough. But we're

00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.819
going with iconic, and you can't talk about anything

00:24:04.819 --> 00:24:09.880
more iconic than Back in Black by ACDC. All right.

00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.799
There's so many songs that could go in this spot,

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.680
but I'm going with Back in Black. We've kind

00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.660
of, you know, 80s, 70s. We're kind of dancing

00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:23.240
around this generation. And we have some killer

00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.480
players. Aerosmith, Joey Kramer, not so much

00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.720
as the chops guy. But the other three that we

00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:31.819
have on the list are all about the chops, all

00:24:31.819 --> 00:24:36.339
about the iconic drum fills, iconic beats. ACDC

00:24:36.339 --> 00:24:43.720
is that band with Phil Rudd that they are straight

00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:49.750
rock. Just straight. But the reason I picked

00:24:49.750 --> 00:24:52.390
Back in Black out of any ACDC song is because

00:24:52.390 --> 00:24:54.910
everybody in the crowd, even if you're not a

00:24:54.910 --> 00:25:01.670
drummer, is doing... Everybody's doing that hand

00:25:01.670 --> 00:25:06.109
motion of that... Everyone's doing it. That is

00:25:06.109 --> 00:25:09.710
so iconic. When I think about songs to teach

00:25:09.710 --> 00:25:12.009
a new student, because I do a lot of teaching,

00:25:12.109 --> 00:25:14.119
and when I think about songs to teach... This

00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.359
is one of the first ones because of all the syncopation.

00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.180
And of course, you're playing a more simple drum

00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:23.079
groove. But try to play it with the feel that

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.640
Phil Rudd played it with originally. Try to do

00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.400
it. I can't do it. We were talking. I did this

00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.460
drum clinic not too long ago. And this guy, another

00:25:31.460 --> 00:25:34.359
fantastic drummer, Kevin Sofara, we did a drum

00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.359
clinic together. We spent a little bit of our

00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.339
time talking about ACDC. We're like, try to play

00:25:40.339 --> 00:25:42.529
with that feel. Try to do it. You can't. because

00:25:42.529 --> 00:25:45.490
this guy sat in such a pocket behind so many

00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:49.210
great musicians. He had to fit it for that groove,

00:25:49.309 --> 00:25:52.410
for that fill, for that guitar riff, and it fits

00:25:52.410 --> 00:25:56.869
so perfectly. Iconic. I had ACDC on my list,

00:25:56.890 --> 00:26:01.630
of course. Believe it or not, though, I had Thunderstruck

00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:07.720
because I did it from the drum sound. perspective

00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:12.279
not so to me chris slade is a much heavier much

00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.279
faster rock drummer where phil rudd is much more

00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.859
of your pocket old school drummer i think it's

00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:22.700
believe it or not two different styles completely

00:26:22.700 --> 00:26:27.180
but the one thing that as a kid i remember vividly

00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:31.920
are the two kick drums that he had above his

00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.440
head for the thumb destruct video And he's pulling

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.099
the sticks and he's slamming them over his head.

00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:40.759
And you get that thunder and you get the boom,

00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.119
boom. And the only way to do that was hitting

00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.480
the kick drums. And it was just a sound that

00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.680
I remembered. So it's a different thought process

00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.539
for ACDC. But I do like the fact with where this

00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:57.299
list is going that you went with Phil Rudd because

00:26:57.299 --> 00:27:00.079
Chris Slade, I don't know if would have fit where

00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.710
we're heading right now. right and he was great

00:27:02.710 --> 00:27:05.769
too of course that everybody in the crowd is

00:27:05.769 --> 00:27:07.750
still going to be doing thunder you know yes

00:27:07.750 --> 00:27:10.109
thunderstruck everybody's still going to be doing

00:27:10.109 --> 00:27:13.130
that but you know when you think about the guy

00:27:13.130 --> 00:27:16.130
that was in it the longest took that hiatus or

00:27:16.130 --> 00:27:19.130
whatever he did but when you think about iconic

00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:22.089
that song for sure is in there but i don't know

00:27:22.089 --> 00:27:24.529
i've got that soft spot for phil rudd because

00:27:24.529 --> 00:27:28.250
i've heard it said that drummers know what paradiddles

00:27:28.250 --> 00:27:30.750
are and and most people kind of understand what

00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:32.569
a paradiddle is even if you're not a drummer

00:27:32.569 --> 00:27:34.029
if you're just a musician you get right left

00:27:34.029 --> 00:27:36.809
right right left right left left is a paradiddle

00:27:36.809 --> 00:27:39.269
but apparently people would go up to phil rudd

00:27:39.269 --> 00:27:41.569
and mess with him and go hey phil what's a paradiddle

00:27:41.569 --> 00:27:46.269
and he would tell them to go f off in the nicest

00:27:46.269 --> 00:27:50.410
terms so he never knew what a paradiddle was

00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:53.809
i still don't know if he does or not But he didn't

00:27:53.809 --> 00:27:55.829
need it. He didn't need it. He was playing iconic

00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:58.890
songs, iconic grooves. And you don't need sometimes

00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:01.349
you don't need all of that stuff. You just need

00:28:01.349 --> 00:28:03.650
the right pocket and the right feel to fit the

00:28:03.650 --> 00:28:06.650
song. And from there, I'm going to kick it up

00:28:06.650 --> 00:28:09.150
a little heavier and I'm going to get a little

00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:12.009
more complicated now because Phil was kind of

00:28:12.009 --> 00:28:15.029
a pocket drummer. There's nothing really over

00:28:15.029 --> 00:28:17.789
the top and crazy. And I want to introduce some

00:28:17.789 --> 00:28:20.970
over the top and crazy. Love it. So I'm going

00:28:20.970 --> 00:28:24.569
to go with Nico McBrain and I'm going to go off

00:28:24.569 --> 00:28:28.029
1984's Power Slave and we're going with Iron

00:28:28.029 --> 00:28:30.789
Maiden, my absolute favorite song from the band,

00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:34.970
Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. Whoa. This song

00:28:34.970 --> 00:28:38.170
is metal. It's hard rock. It's got progressive

00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:43.490
rock in it. It's long. It's bombastic. It's everything

00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:47.450
that there is to love about Iron Maiden. But

00:28:47.450 --> 00:28:50.200
if you listen to the drums in this. He is doing

00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:55.720
so much. And the drums are actually a part of

00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.000
this music. And I don't mean like, you know,

00:28:58.019 --> 00:29:00.619
you're playing notes on a guitar, ABCD, whatever.

00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.460
The drums are really driving where the song is

00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:08.240
heading in this kind of progressive, extra long

00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:13.420
masterpiece. And to me, it's telling the story.

00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:16.819
Because if you simplified the drums in any way.

00:29:17.549 --> 00:29:19.809
the song might become monotonous and boring,

00:29:19.970 --> 00:29:24.130
and it never does. So I am going with Iron Maiden,

00:29:24.210 --> 00:29:27.150
Rime of the Ancient Mariner. It's a fan favorite,

00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:30.970
and it's my absolute favorite Maiden track. Yeah,

00:29:30.990 --> 00:29:34.630
that's not the one that I had on my list of Iron

00:29:34.630 --> 00:29:38.170
Maiden. I actually had Where Eagles Dare. I completely

00:29:38.170 --> 00:29:41.230
get it. Yeah, and you can pick. I mean, I also

00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:44.910
at one point was toying with the idea of Run

00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:48.089
to the Hills as well. You know, there's Hallowed

00:29:48.089 --> 00:29:50.269
Be Thy Name is another one that's all iconic.

00:29:50.490 --> 00:29:53.369
All the fills are iconic. But I love this because

00:29:53.369 --> 00:29:56.849
I love Nico McBrain personally, because I found

00:29:56.849 --> 00:29:59.109
out not too long ago, a couple of years ago,

00:29:59.170 --> 00:30:02.630
that he's a single pedal player. He doesn't play

00:30:02.630 --> 00:30:05.609
double bass, which is crazy. I didn't know that.

00:30:05.650 --> 00:30:07.710
I was like, oh, Iron Maiden, that's, you know,

00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:10.269
that's definitely double bass. And then I started

00:30:10.269 --> 00:30:12.509
thinking about him like. No, it's not. Actually,

00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:14.809
wait a second. He doesn't ever do double bass.

00:30:14.890 --> 00:30:17.849
He does fast fills and he does a lot, but he

00:30:17.849 --> 00:30:20.670
doesn't play double bass. And that goes to show

00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:23.170
that a metal band doesn't necessarily need somebody

00:30:23.170 --> 00:30:25.990
that can play double bass, which I think is so

00:30:25.990 --> 00:30:28.349
awesome because for the record, I'm mostly a

00:30:28.349 --> 00:30:30.269
single pedal player. I play a little bit of double

00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:33.269
bass, not much, but I love what you can do. He's

00:30:33.269 --> 00:30:36.059
like, I think he was quoted saying like. One

00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:39.440
foot is hard enough to figure out. So I add two.

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:44.160
I love that. That's such a great thing. And that's

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.819
a great choice. Awesome. I love it. Yeah. So

00:30:46.819 --> 00:30:49.880
what are you going to follow up the Iron Maiden

00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.799
gallop with? Because that's what the drums really

00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.799
are to me in Iron Maiden. You get that gallop.

00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.859
That's an Iron Maiden song, whether it's fast

00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:00.519
and run for the hills. There's a gallop to an

00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.660
Iron Maiden song. And that's something that.

00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:06.130
Nico brings to that table. So what are you following

00:31:06.130 --> 00:31:09.490
that up with? I don't think I could go with something

00:31:09.490 --> 00:31:13.269
that follows a gallop, but I can go with something

00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:18.490
that has just as crazy of a drum part and just

00:31:18.490 --> 00:31:22.089
as insane a drummer. And he couldn't not be on

00:31:22.089 --> 00:31:25.450
this list. So I'm going to put Neil Peart, Rush,

00:31:25.690 --> 00:31:29.069
Tom Sawyer. Yes, of course. Number one, this

00:31:29.069 --> 00:31:31.269
is really hard for me. And maybe people will

00:31:31.269 --> 00:31:34.720
hate me for saying it. But I am not the biggest

00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.819
fan of Rush. I'm a big fan of Neil Peart, not

00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:42.579
a huge fan of Rush itself. I think it might be

00:31:42.579 --> 00:31:45.299
something with Geddy Lee's voice. Sometimes the

00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:48.980
time changes are a little too much for me to

00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:51.700
listen to if I'm driving. You don't want to listen

00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:54.440
to time changes while you're in traffic. That's

00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:58.099
just not always the most fun. But I think what

00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:01.359
I really love about Tom Sawyer... Again, on that

00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.380
same idea of air drumming it at a concert, everybody's

00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:09.079
doing it. Number one, very iconic. It's a big

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.680
hit for them, of course. And the very middle

00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.740
of the song with all those drum fills, tell me

00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:20.839
a drummer that hasn't studied that ever. You

00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.079
have to study that when you're a drummer. And

00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.480
even though I was never the biggest fan of Rush,

00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.690
I studied a lot of Neil Peart stuff. because

00:32:29.690 --> 00:32:33.549
I knew that he was the professor. He was the

00:32:33.549 --> 00:32:36.890
guy, you know, so it's and still lives on, even

00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:39.750
though he's unfortunately passed. His drumming

00:32:39.750 --> 00:32:42.789
still lives on. People still study like there's

00:32:42.789 --> 00:32:45.549
no tomorrow. Rush songs. Yeah, I couldn't agree

00:32:45.549 --> 00:32:48.250
more. Obviously, he was being talked about tonight.

00:32:48.410 --> 00:32:52.970
I had Lovilla Strangiato in my list. Instrumental.

00:32:53.410 --> 00:32:56.230
I mean, it's it's all over the top. It's one

00:32:56.230 --> 00:33:00.680
of those crazy. Rush songs that I love so much.

00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.640
One of my best friends who passed away back in

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.480
2011. Every time I got in the car, he'd be like,

00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:08.420
I'm choosing the music. And I knew the first

00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:11.519
song he was putting on and it was La Villa Strangiato

00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.700
and rest in peace, Dom. I love you, man. Every

00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:17.039
time I hear Rush, I immediately have to start

00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.039
with that. But obviously Tom Sawyer is the iconic

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:27.059
song where everybody really sees. Because that

00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:30.819
song is played on top 40 radio. La Villa, not

00:33:30.819 --> 00:33:33.299
so much. So I completely get where we're going

00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:36.940
with it. And following it up, you went a little

00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:40.660
proggy here. So I feel like I still want to stay.

00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.880
I feel like we're staying classic here. We're

00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.880
staying classic on Side A. So I am going to stay

00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.500
classic. And I'm going to go back to 1971 with

00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:52.119
a drummer who's probably not a household name,

00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:56.890
but should be. Because playing for Jethro Tull

00:33:56.890 --> 00:33:59.490
is not always the easiest thing in the world.

00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:01.789
So I'm going to go with Clive Bunker. But I'm

00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:04.150
sticking with the heavy side of Jethro Tull.

00:34:04.309 --> 00:34:06.410
And I'm going to go with the title track from

00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:11.550
1971's Aqualung. This song is done in a lot of

00:34:11.550 --> 00:34:15.190
different parts. The drums really drive it through

00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:19.969
all these different timing changes. I think coming

00:34:19.969 --> 00:34:22.429
out of Rush, it still keeps a little bit of the

00:34:22.429 --> 00:34:25.349
progressive element to the hard rock sound. And

00:34:25.349 --> 00:34:28.889
I feel like it's not so much of a left turn because

00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:31.750
I didn't know if this song would fit. But when

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:34.789
you listen to what he's doing in this song, it's

00:34:34.789 --> 00:34:37.449
absolutely incredible. And unfortunately, in

00:34:37.449 --> 00:34:39.949
the original mix, the drums kind of sound muddy.

00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:44.239
Stephen Wilson did a remix of the album in the

00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.000
2010s, the 40th anniversary remix, and he did

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.860
it in complete stereo, and he isolated every

00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:56.000
drum and made it sound absolutely massive. I

00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:00.139
do not necessarily fall for the whole, hey, we're

00:35:00.139 --> 00:35:05.039
doing a remix of an album. Aqualung's 40th anniversary

00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.780
Stephen Wilson remix makes the album a 20 out

00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.960
of 10. He brings it to another level. All the

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.840
Stephen Wilson Jethro Tull remixes are that legendary

00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:21.119
as a sidebar. But this one completely blew my

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.460
mind. So I am following up Rush's Tom Sawyer

00:35:24.460 --> 00:35:28.500
with Jethro Tull's Aqualung. That's awesome.

00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.579
I didn't have Jethro Tull on my list. But I'm

00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:36.099
glad that you said that because that track is

00:35:36.099 --> 00:35:40.460
phenomenal drumming wise. And then again, Jethro

00:35:40.460 --> 00:35:43.619
Tull was an out there band regardless. So in

00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:47.219
order to be in that group, you had to be just

00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:50.900
as much out there of a drummer as well. Right.

00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.980
Just to fit in, just to keep up. Oh, I could

00:35:54.980 --> 00:35:59.300
go so many different ways. Oh, this is tough.

00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.780
There are a couple things I could do here. Okay,

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.000
I got it. I got it. Just as good a player as

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:13.500
anybody on here, but also one of the most notable

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:17.139
drummers, if you are a drummer, but also a part

00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:19.800
of such a big super group. I'm going to go with

00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:27.139
Jeff Porcaro off of Toto with Rosanna. Ooh. And

00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:31.190
the only reason I say that is because... This

00:36:31.190 --> 00:36:38.690
is the perfect halftime shuffle groove, and there

00:36:38.690 --> 00:36:42.449
are a bunch of those out there. Of course, Bernard

00:36:42.449 --> 00:36:46.889
Purdy being the champion of the halftime shuffle

00:36:46.889 --> 00:36:49.449
with the Purdy shuffle. He's got it named after

00:36:49.449 --> 00:36:52.210
him. And then John Bonham taking it later and

00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:55.489
doing the full -in -the -range shuffle, right?

00:36:55.590 --> 00:36:59.150
And then Jeff Porcaro. Taking both of those ideas,

00:36:59.309 --> 00:37:01.929
both of those halftime shuffle ideas, and he's

00:37:01.929 --> 00:37:04.010
quoted saying, I'm going to butcher the quote,

00:37:04.090 --> 00:37:06.010
but he's like, I took Bernard's idea and John

00:37:06.010 --> 00:37:08.690
Bonham's idea and put it together and this is

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:10.989
what I created. And that's what you get with

00:37:10.989 --> 00:37:14.730
Rosanna. Such a cool track. And Jeff Precaro

00:37:14.730 --> 00:37:18.210
also is one of those drummers that is a drummer's

00:37:18.210 --> 00:37:21.969
drummer, you know, super iconic grooves in everything

00:37:21.969 --> 00:37:25.530
that Toto did. But also all of his studio and

00:37:25.530 --> 00:37:29.230
session work as well is huge. He's got one of

00:37:29.230 --> 00:37:32.510
the longest lists of guys he's played for. They

00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:35.570
were part of that sort of era of like the wrecking

00:37:35.570 --> 00:37:39.369
crew where it would be. Here's the song and you're

00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:42.750
going to play drums on it. And good. All right.

00:37:42.769 --> 00:37:45.889
Print it. We're done. So he was just a great

00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:49.030
drummer all around and definitely one of the

00:37:49.030 --> 00:37:53.130
top players out there that ever existed. I love

00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:57.050
that pick. And I'll tell you, I know Weezer had

00:37:57.050 --> 00:38:00.449
a lot of fun when people kept asking them to

00:38:00.449 --> 00:38:03.769
cover Africa. And they said, we're dropping a

00:38:03.769 --> 00:38:06.070
Toto cover tomorrow. And they dropped Rosanna,

00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:09.409
which I thought was really clever troll a couple

00:38:09.409 --> 00:38:11.469
of days before they dropped their cover of Africa,

00:38:11.570 --> 00:38:14.050
which everyone fell in love with. But I'll be

00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:18.809
honest. I love Weezer. But he did not nail that

00:38:18.809 --> 00:38:22.730
groove. There's just something that didn't feel

00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:27.590
right about Rosanna because he didn't nail that.

00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:30.570
It's literally the feel. The feel didn't feel

00:38:30.570 --> 00:38:36.170
as natural to me as the original. If you're a

00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:39.269
player who's technical but doesn't have feel,

00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:42.570
you can't play that song. For sure. That's the

00:38:42.570 --> 00:38:45.769
one big thing about this in drumming in general.

00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:49.389
You can't teach feel, right? You can teach. technical

00:38:49.389 --> 00:38:52.349
things you can teach those aspects of drumming

00:38:52.349 --> 00:38:55.590
where you know here's all of your subdivisions

00:38:55.590 --> 00:38:57.889
and here's odd time and here's this and that

00:38:57.889 --> 00:39:00.210
and hand technique and whatever but if you have

00:39:00.210 --> 00:39:03.329
no feeling behind what you're playing it will

00:39:03.329 --> 00:39:07.289
translate just as poorly right like as somebody

00:39:07.289 --> 00:39:09.269
that's got great feel but only knows how to keep

00:39:09.269 --> 00:39:12.969
the two and four so when you have great feel

00:39:12.969 --> 00:39:16.909
and great chops it's like whoa you could do literally

00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:20.050
anything you can do anything and Jeff Porcaro

00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:22.630
one of the best when it came to feel and this

00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:25.389
halftime shuffle is like just enough behind the

00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:28.969
beat to fit perfectly right like it's it's like

00:39:28.969 --> 00:39:31.610
he's a little behind the beat like very very

00:39:31.610 --> 00:39:33.570
slightly if you were to map it out he would be

00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:35.710
just a little behind but it fits the song it

00:39:35.710 --> 00:39:38.630
fits so perfectly and in order to hear that and

00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:40.889
know that this is where the beat is supposed

00:39:40.889 --> 00:39:43.610
to sit that's something in itself like the beats

00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:45.769
are hard enough the beat is hard enough but being

00:39:45.769 --> 00:39:48.429
able to play where that beat is supposed to go

00:39:48.429 --> 00:39:53.010
is way harder. And this actually makes my last

00:39:53.010 --> 00:39:57.429
track for side one easy coming out of this. Because

00:39:57.429 --> 00:40:00.730
hearing Rosanna in my head, I just hear the perfect

00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:03.530
song to close this side out. And I'm going to

00:40:03.530 --> 00:40:07.550
go with a drummer whose name is in the band name

00:40:07.550 --> 00:40:11.170
through all the different years of changes. But

00:40:11.170 --> 00:40:14.630
I am going to go back to 1979. And I'm going

00:40:14.630 --> 00:40:18.190
with the legendary Mick Fleetwood of Fleetwood

00:40:18.190 --> 00:40:20.590
Mac. And I'm going to go with the title track

00:40:20.590 --> 00:40:24.909
of Tusk, bringing a drum solo into the mix here.

00:40:25.050 --> 00:40:30.630
And I'm bringing in an iconic tribal beat that

00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:34.909
somehow works with a full marching band and an

00:40:34.909 --> 00:40:38.530
acoustic guitar and whatever drugs they did to

00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:43.199
imagine Tusk. Being a song that would work and

00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.019
making it work. The vocals are all dreamy over

00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:51.139
this weird acoustic guitar that you got Lindsay

00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:54.179
doing. And the harmonies are a little Alice in

00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:57.579
Chains like hitting the half notes in the harmonies.

00:40:57.579 --> 00:41:00.119
And it's creepy. But then all of a sudden this

00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.989
happy marching band comes in and. I had no idea

00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:05.750
what I'm listening to when I first heard that

00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:08.630
as a kid. And here I am in my 40s and I have

00:41:08.630 --> 00:41:10.590
no idea what I'm listening to. But I know it's

00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:13.769
amazing. I know it's iconic. I know I love it.

00:41:13.849 --> 00:41:16.010
And Lance Levine chimed in with this as well.

00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:18.710
I got to give a shout out to him. Another great

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:22.429
podcaster. Love this song. And I think it's a

00:41:22.429 --> 00:41:26.429
weird, fun way to close out this eclectic side

00:41:26.429 --> 00:41:30.690
one. Fleetwood Mac, Tusk. I love it. Mick Fleetwood

00:41:30.690 --> 00:41:33.230
is one of the greats because just as much as

00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:36.889
anybody, he had feel and he had the know -how

00:41:36.889 --> 00:41:39.650
for certain grooves. Like, you know, go your

00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:41.969
own way, right? That's such a great groove as

00:41:41.969 --> 00:41:45.429
well. Anything where you have to just support

00:41:45.429 --> 00:41:47.809
the vocalists because the vocalists were really

00:41:47.809 --> 00:41:50.449
the big part of Fleetwood Mac. And even still,

00:41:50.570 --> 00:41:52.929
like, think about it. This band has come back

00:41:52.929 --> 00:41:57.710
in modern. sex, right? Like that one video did

00:41:57.710 --> 00:42:00.130
super well on TikTok of that guy skateboarding

00:42:00.130 --> 00:42:03.849
down like a hill in California and the drums

00:42:03.849 --> 00:42:07.469
still fit. They still hold up to this day. Modern

00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.869
players are playing like Mick Fleetwood to help

00:42:10.869 --> 00:42:14.590
support backing vocals or vocalists of whatever

00:42:14.590 --> 00:42:16.789
genres nowadays. And it's all that simplistic

00:42:16.789 --> 00:42:19.469
playing. The thing I love about Tusk is that

00:42:19.469 --> 00:42:22.889
tribal essence to it. Really great groove. Really

00:42:22.889 --> 00:42:25.190
great groove if you can get a lot of people together

00:42:25.190 --> 00:42:27.630
to play that as well. There's a lot of moving

00:42:27.630 --> 00:42:30.889
parts to it too. So I love Tusk. That's a great

00:42:30.889 --> 00:42:33.809
choice. And with that, mixtapers, we conclude

00:42:33.809 --> 00:42:37.630
side A of our greatest drum tracks mixtape, which

00:42:37.630 --> 00:42:41.269
consists of Led Zeppelin's Black Dog, Aerosmith's

00:42:41.269 --> 00:42:44.909
Walk This Way, Van Halen's Hot for Teacher, Jimi

00:42:44.909 --> 00:42:48.949
Hendrix Experience's Fire, ACDC's Back in Black,

00:42:49.579 --> 00:42:53.039
Iron Maiden's Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Rush's

00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.800
Tom Sawyer, Jethro Tull's Aqualung, Toto's Rosanna,

00:42:57.980 --> 00:43:01.739
and Fleetwood Mac's Tusk. Remember, you can head

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.739
over to myweeklymixtape .com to hear all of the

00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:07.960
songs we're discussing in this mix tonight through

00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:11.500
the playlist embedded on the episode page. So,

00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:13.300
John, before we flip things over and kick off

00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:16.519
Side B, what's 2023 looking like over at the

00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.460
Tantra Camp, and what does the band have in store

00:43:18.460 --> 00:43:21.989
this year? Just really, really busy. We had some

00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:24.510
time off. We had a hiatus for a little bit. I

00:43:24.510 --> 00:43:26.110
don't know if you could call it a hiatus. It's

00:43:26.110 --> 00:43:28.469
like four months or three months is a hiatus.

00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:31.730
But we took a break because we were touring since

00:43:31.730 --> 00:43:34.130
I joined the band in 2020. We've been touring

00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:37.269
nonstop for like two and a half years. And it's

00:43:37.269 --> 00:43:39.849
just been a blast and it's been crazy. And so

00:43:39.849 --> 00:43:42.130
we've had off since November, since like right

00:43:42.130 --> 00:43:45.110
before Thanksgiving. And now we're hitting it

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:47.610
again in March. March starts up a bunch of days.

00:43:47.670 --> 00:43:50.400
We're going out with... smile, empty soul. And

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:55.380
then April starts up a tour with head PE edema

00:43:55.380 --> 00:43:58.659
and crazy town. And so it's called like the new

00:43:58.659 --> 00:44:01.400
metal madness tour. It's going to be really sick,

00:44:01.420 --> 00:44:03.539
but we're going all over the country. That tour

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:06.760
starts in California, makes its way to Jersey

00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.840
at one point goes back and, you know, we're.

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.139
We're just doing this giant loop. So it's just

00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:14.860
going to be really busy, but I'm looking forward

00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:16.920
to getting back out and playing. And then hopefully

00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.079
on the horizon is a new record. I would love

00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.960
to, you know, we've been talking about it and

00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.159
throwing those ideas out, but hopefully it actually

00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.139
happens. Awesome. And alongside of Tantric, you

00:44:27.139 --> 00:44:29.599
also teach drumming as well. Why don't you tell

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.420
people a little bit about that and then how they

00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:33.179
can get in touch with you if maybe they want

00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:36.659
to learn more? Yeah, so I do teach a lot. I do

00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:39.389
Skype lessons. for anybody that lives out of

00:44:39.389 --> 00:44:42.230
state or too far away or just wants to stay home.

00:44:42.349 --> 00:44:45.730
And so I do a lot of Skype lessons. I teach at

00:44:45.730 --> 00:44:48.389
a place called All Star Music Empire in Flemington,

00:44:48.449 --> 00:44:52.079
New Jersey. if you're in the area. And I do private

00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.420
lessons as well. And you can find me at johnsdrumstudio

00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:59.900
.com. And it's J -O -N -S, by the way. My parents

00:44:59.900 --> 00:45:01.980
had to be weird not putting an H in there. But

00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:05.800
johnsdrumstudio .com or johnsdrumstudio at gmail

00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.400
.com if you want to hit me up with an email or

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.460
johnsdrumstudio on Instagram. You'll find me

00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:13.980
there. I post a lot of nonsense. So, you know,

00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:17.150
come in and have a laugh at my expense. I was

00:45:17.150 --> 00:45:20.050
just going to say your Instagram and TikTok channels

00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:23.530
are truly one of my favorites because as a fellow

00:45:23.530 --> 00:45:27.130
musician, you're doing the musician humor and

00:45:27.130 --> 00:45:29.690
you're hitting a lot of the tropes on the head

00:45:29.690 --> 00:45:32.329
and having fun with them. And I get a kick out

00:45:32.329 --> 00:45:35.590
of that. So definitely worth the follow. Yeah,

00:45:35.650 --> 00:45:37.800
it's a lot of fun. I love. getting creative.

00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:40.260
And I love comedy. I love laughing at, you know,

00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.940
anything that I ever watch on TV is comedy based

00:45:42.940 --> 00:45:45.340
or music based. And so when I can bring those

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:48.000
two ideas together and laugh at my own expense,

00:45:48.219 --> 00:45:51.920
I'm always for it. All right. Now we are on to

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.719
side B and I get to kick things off and I'm going

00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.480
to go with a song that actually includes four

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.840
drummers at once. Or if you're in a live setting,

00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:10.119
let's say a 20 ,000 person arena, it's going

00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.179
to be 20 ,004 drummers. And those first four

00:46:14.179 --> 00:46:19.099
drummers are John Deacon, Roger Taylor, Brian

00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:23.260
May, and Freddie Mercury. I'm going off of 1981's

00:46:23.260 --> 00:46:26.340
News of the World, and I'm going with the easiest

00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:29.300
beat in the world, but one of the most iconic,

00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:34.340
Queen, We Will Rock You. There is nothing hard

00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:39.360
about this song, and yet it is absolutely one

00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.699
of the most, if not the most iconic drum beat

00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:44.420
ever because everybody could do it. And that's

00:46:44.420 --> 00:46:46.699
what I love about it. There's been covers of

00:46:46.699 --> 00:46:48.739
this song. I know Warrant did a cover of it.

00:46:49.099 --> 00:46:51.960
As great as the hard rock version that Queen

00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.500
does is, this version is otherworldly in the

00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.639
world of great drum tracks. And I couldn't picture

00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:02.480
a drum track. playlist without it. So Queen,

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:06.820
we will rock you. That's a great choice. And

00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:10.059
when you were saying it, I kind of got like goosebumps

00:47:10.059 --> 00:47:11.980
because I'm like thinking about all the live

00:47:11.980 --> 00:47:14.059
footage I've watched where they do start it up.

00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.360
And I'm like, oh, yeah, that is sick. And I told

00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.400
I struggled with putting this on my little list

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:26.199
of iconic ones only because. Like you said, this

00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.219
is the drum song that everybody knows. And so

00:47:29.219 --> 00:47:31.559
whenever I get like a six -year -old in on a

00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.579
drum lesson or a five -year -old, somebody that

00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:36.340
they can only do the most simple thing, I get

00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:38.619
them doing We Will Rock You. Every kid knows

00:47:38.619 --> 00:47:41.940
the song already. Any adult knows the song already.

00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:46.039
So playing boom, boom, bop, boom, boom, bop on

00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.179
the bass and the snare instead of stomping and

00:47:49.179 --> 00:47:51.320
clapping is a great way to get a kid to learn

00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.659
how to play a drum song. And you can go. hey,

00:47:53.739 --> 00:47:55.900
you learned a song today and it was your first

00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:58.239
drum lesson. Like, that's pretty sick. You know,

00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.980
so I really struggled with putting this on there,

00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.079
maybe because I've heard it so many times. Yeah,

00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:06.699
I actually thought I was giving you overkill

00:48:06.699 --> 00:48:09.480
here. I'm sorry about that. No, that's good.

00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.239
No, you're good. I love it. And you know what?

00:48:12.260 --> 00:48:14.699
After you said it, though, then it took me back

00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:19.380
to that original idea of like, everybody can

00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:23.440
do it. It's such a. communal, iconic drum beat

00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.619
that it's like you could beat anybody and be

00:48:27.619 --> 00:48:30.840
able to play this. You know, people have so much

00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.460
trouble clapping on the two and four, but when

00:48:33.460 --> 00:48:36.460
it comes to stomp, stomp, clap, everybody's on

00:48:36.460 --> 00:48:39.179
beat. Everybody knows how to do it. So I just

00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:42.900
love it. I think, yeah, as much as I didn't want

00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:46.179
to pick it, I'm glad that you did because that's

00:48:46.179 --> 00:48:48.380
a tough pick. Yeah, and there's only one place

00:48:48.380 --> 00:48:50.099
to put it, and it's at the start of the side,

00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.079
because I feel like now I'm giving you a pretty

00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:55.559
clean slate, because if you think about the original,

00:48:55.820 --> 00:48:58.880
it slides right into We Are the Champions, which

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.880
is a slower song, which obviously Queen is off

00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.940
the table now, but you could go anywhere with

00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:07.679
this song for the rest of Side B, so I'll be

00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.219
curious to see what you do with it. Oh, geez.

00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:14.860
Because I could totally bring one in from left

00:49:14.860 --> 00:49:20.309
field. like just the weirdest idea or, oh man.

00:49:20.409 --> 00:49:23.849
Okay. All right. This is tough. This is tough,

00:49:23.929 --> 00:49:26.090
but I know what I'm going to go with because

00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:30.269
it's iconic in a number of ways, but I also think

00:49:30.269 --> 00:49:33.050
it's some of his best playing and you got to

00:49:33.050 --> 00:49:36.329
love to hate this guy. Lars from Metallica, master

00:49:36.329 --> 00:49:39.170
of puppets. Oh, okay. You went with master of

00:49:39.170 --> 00:49:43.599
puppets. OK, let me explain to anybody that doesn't

00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.119
know about Lars or doesn't know much about Metallica,

00:49:47.139 --> 00:49:49.760
which it would be hard not to if you're listening

00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.179
to this podcast. But Lars in his heyday in the

00:49:55.179 --> 00:49:59.340
80s was like such a sick drummer. He's the best

00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:03.219
drummer for Metallica. He will always be the

00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:06.440
like. Who else could you get to play in Metallica?

00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.800
and do just as good a job as he does. Is he the

00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.719
most technically proficient drummer? No. Is he

00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.139
playing anything else other than Metallica? No.

00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.519
He's always just going to play songs that are

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.219
Metallica songs. And if he's not and he's playing

00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:24.699
like a Justin Bieber song, you know he's playing

00:50:24.699 --> 00:50:27.780
it like Lars from Metallica. It's just his thing,

00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.500
right? He's got a vibe to how he plays. Half

00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:34.260
of it's overplaying. Half of it's crashing on

00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:37.480
the two and four. But Master of Puppets is, in

00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:41.420
my opinion, one of the heights of his career.

00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:44.340
And it's a song that everybody knows kind of

00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:46.980
because of Stranger Things. All the younger kids

00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:49.579
are all getting hip on, you know, Master of Puppets.

00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.199
That makes me sound old when I say getting hip

00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.940
on. But Master of Puppets, Master of Puppets

00:50:55.940 --> 00:51:00.619
is a great song drum wise. It's fast. It's fun.

00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.639
And the drum work in it is great. I think it's

00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.300
like the heart of his playing is in Master of

00:51:07.300 --> 00:51:09.940
Puppets. I'm so glad you picked that one because

00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:12.659
it makes my life easier because I had two different

00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:15.659
Metallica songs on my list for two different

00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:19.519
reasons. And the first one was Metallica's One

00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.699
from Injustice for All because that was the song

00:51:22.699 --> 00:51:25.380
that really introduced me to Metallica. I knew

00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:27.300
Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning from

00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:30.650
my cousins. But when I first heard One, And I

00:51:30.650 --> 00:51:33.429
saw the video on MTV. I'm like, hey, this is

00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:36.150
my Metallica song now. Like I got to go to my

00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:38.949
cousins and say, hey, I know this new Metallica

00:51:38.949 --> 00:51:43.889
song. But the double kick at the end of one before

00:51:43.889 --> 00:51:50.670
the band kicks in. Like to me, that was as driving

00:51:50.670 --> 00:51:54.289
as the guitars. So it felt very musical to me.

00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:58.360
But then I also had Enter Sandman on the list

00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:03.159
from a recording aspect. I feel like the drums

00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.320
at the opening of Enter Sandman are some of the

00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.239
largest sounding studio drums I've ever heard

00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.900
in my life. Bob Rock captured this sound where

00:52:13.900 --> 00:52:17.260
it didn't sound like Tom's anymore. It actually

00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:21.489
sounded like thunder. When that song starts,

00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:25.070
they're so big and so heavy, they they surround

00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:29.230
you and it's just an iconic drum sound. So I

00:52:29.230 --> 00:52:31.869
definitely wanted to chime in on that one. I'm

00:52:31.869 --> 00:52:35.110
just curious because you record drums, obviously

00:52:35.110 --> 00:52:37.610
all the stuff you do for recording for yourself.

00:52:38.269 --> 00:52:42.750
That is not an easy sound to master. No pun intended.

00:52:42.989 --> 00:52:47.750
Yeah, exactly. That is I think that the. Black

00:52:47.750 --> 00:52:53.710
album changed the landscape of drum sound and,

00:52:53.789 --> 00:52:57.070
you know, lots of high attack where you hear

00:52:57.070 --> 00:53:00.250
the crispness of each drum, but you also hear

00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:03.030
the bottom end of each drum. Like the listen

00:53:03.030 --> 00:53:07.230
to wherever. What's the track? Wherever I'm in

00:53:07.230 --> 00:53:10.349
Rome. Yeah, it's listen to that track and that

00:53:10.349 --> 00:53:15.730
snare in the beginning. Or sad, but true. You

00:53:15.730 --> 00:53:19.849
know that. From a drum sound perspective, you

00:53:19.849 --> 00:53:22.909
now started to feel the drums instead of them

00:53:22.909 --> 00:53:26.349
being this like two -dimensional paper thin drum

00:53:26.349 --> 00:53:29.130
sound. And from the 70s and 80s, there have been

00:53:29.130 --> 00:53:33.650
really great drum sounds. But when you go into

00:53:33.650 --> 00:53:37.570
this Metallica Black album, that took modern

00:53:37.570 --> 00:53:43.050
drum sounds to what we hear today. I love them,

00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:44.929
so I'm not going to hate on them. But Nickelback,

00:53:45.010 --> 00:53:48.949
any Nickelback record is that. It's a black album

00:53:48.949 --> 00:53:52.829
drum sound. And you could pick any band that

00:53:52.829 --> 00:53:55.250
shined down. You could pick not so much anything

00:53:55.250 --> 00:53:58.050
from the early 2000s because it started to get

00:53:58.050 --> 00:54:01.769
more grungy again and less produced. But any

00:54:01.769 --> 00:54:06.190
modern 2000s rock onward, 2010s, even to where

00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:08.789
we're at now, is very much black album influenced.

00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.440
I was actually hoping you would say Nickelback

00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.780
because when I first heard San Quentin, their

00:54:13.780 --> 00:54:17.079
latest single, I immediately turned to my wife

00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.079
and said, they're going for the Black Album drum

00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.679
sound. And she just turned back and she said,

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.860
that's nice, dear. I have no idea what you're

00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:28.239
talking about. Aren't those one -sided conversations

00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.099
fantastic? Yeah. But honestly, I'm glad you mentioned

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:34.179
Nickelback. I am not a hater either. I think

00:54:34.179 --> 00:54:37.539
they're a great band. But now coming out of Metallica,

00:54:37.699 --> 00:54:40.539
I have... Kind of a bunch of ways I could go.

00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:43.420
I can go heavier, but I think I'm going to stay

00:54:43.420 --> 00:54:46.260
heavy, but peel it back a little bit, but get

00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:49.219
a little more technical than Lars. And I'm going

00:54:49.219 --> 00:54:52.340
to go with something new or new ish. The definitely

00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:55.039
the newest song we've talked about tonight. I'm

00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.219
going to go back to 2019 and I'm going to go

00:54:58.219 --> 00:55:01.739
with the album Fear Inoculum and the amazing

00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:06.320
Danny Carey on Tools Numa, the second track on

00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:10.699
the album. This song is one of my favorite Tool

00:55:10.699 --> 00:55:15.420
songs ever. It's ridiculously long. It's ridiculously

00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:20.539
heavy and slow and weird and trippy. But in the

00:55:20.539 --> 00:55:24.179
chorus, Carrie just goes on these fills that

00:55:24.179 --> 00:55:29.139
just blow my mind. And it is like the song is

00:55:29.139 --> 00:55:31.880
slow, but he's doing these ridiculously fast

00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:36.929
fills and they're clashing with each other. And

00:55:36.929 --> 00:55:38.690
they're fighting with each other. And it adds

00:55:38.690 --> 00:55:43.070
attention to an amazing song that does not feel

00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:46.789
like it's a past 10 minute song. And it is. And

00:55:46.789 --> 00:55:50.190
I absolutely love it. So following up Metallica,

00:55:50.210 --> 00:55:53.550
I'm going to go with Tools, Numa. Love it. And

00:55:53.550 --> 00:55:55.449
you know what? I'm not the biggest Tool fan,

00:55:55.630 --> 00:55:58.349
but I think Carrie's drumming is fantastic. So

00:55:58.349 --> 00:56:01.389
it's like when you hear songs that are Tool.

00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:05.440
songs or tool -esque you know any prog rock drummer

00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:09.239
or any modern prog rock drummer that you hear

00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.179
is kind of pulling notes out of tools playbook

00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:17.000
and carrie's drumming is very much over the top

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.699
very much rooted in thought and timing you know

00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:23.559
like you gotta think about these things and sit

00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.260
down and go okay well what do i want to do here

00:56:26.260 --> 00:56:29.780
you don't just pull that off right you don't

00:56:29.780 --> 00:56:32.489
just improv those songs. You have to really think

00:56:32.489 --> 00:56:34.750
about them. And I think his drumming is totally

00:56:34.750 --> 00:56:37.550
that. And I love where you went with it because

00:56:37.550 --> 00:56:40.570
I would, I really want to work this song into

00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:43.670
here, especially this drummer. I just don't know

00:56:43.670 --> 00:56:47.269
which one, but I'm going to go for it. And I'm

00:56:47.269 --> 00:56:51.610
going to say Avenged Sevenfold, Jimmy the Rev,

00:56:51.829 --> 00:56:57.010
That Country. Ooh, okay. And I have so many.

00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.480
Favorite Avenged Sevenfold songs. I wanted to

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.659
pick one that is, you know, showcasing his talent,

00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:07.380
of course, and his drum fills, but also something

00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:10.659
that's more along the lines of a hit because

00:57:10.659 --> 00:57:13.679
people know it and it's iconic in that respect.

00:57:13.940 --> 00:57:17.340
Lots of drummers cover this song. Millions of

00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:19.400
drummers have covered this song. It's one of

00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.219
the harder ones to do. It's very fast. Lots of

00:57:22.219 --> 00:57:24.659
fast fills. But Jimmy the Rev was one of those

00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.699
drummers that was so out there. If you don't

00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:29.460
know Avenged Sevenfold and haven't listened to

00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:31.739
their discography, especially the early years,

00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:34.539
you're missing out because this guy was on another

00:57:34.539 --> 00:57:36.800
level of drumming. There's other songs off this

00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.280
record. This record in particular, City of Evil,

00:57:39.380 --> 00:57:42.900
fantastic drumming throughout it. The Rev was

00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:45.519
a huge loss. I mean, he was such a huge loss

00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:48.900
that when he passed, the only person they could

00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:51.960
turn to for the Nightmare album was Mike Portnoy.

00:57:52.460 --> 00:57:54.500
And that tells you something when you have to

00:57:54.500 --> 00:57:57.539
turn to the drummer for Dream Theater to try

00:57:57.539 --> 00:58:00.300
to capture the spirit that the Rev brought to

00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:03.539
the kit. So I absolutely love that pick. And

00:58:03.539 --> 00:58:06.599
you know what? I think coming out of it, I'm

00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.260
going to stick with Mike Portnoy now that I brought

00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:12.960
him up. And I'm going to follow up Avenged Sevenfold.

00:58:13.420 --> 00:58:15.920
And I'm going to go back to 1992's Image and

00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:17.860
Words. And I'm going to go with Dream Theater's

00:58:17.860 --> 00:58:20.789
Pull Me Under. Little bit slower, little bit

00:58:20.789 --> 00:58:23.590
more of a hard rock track, but there's something

00:58:23.590 --> 00:58:28.210
about the drums in this song. It's not the Mike

00:58:28.210 --> 00:58:31.570
Portnoy. What the hell am I listening to? I can't

00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:33.750
comprehend what he's doing because it's so amazing.

00:58:34.590 --> 00:58:38.050
Drums. It is so amazing, though. Let me let me

00:58:38.050 --> 00:58:42.550
stress, but it's definitely a more digestible

00:58:42.550 --> 00:58:45.949
dream theater song, which is why they have a

00:58:45.949 --> 00:58:49.039
greatest hits album called Greatest Hit. and

00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:53.119
21 other pretty cool songs. It was definitely

00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.420
the one where everybody, so I know I'm going

00:58:55.420 --> 00:58:57.940
mainstream to the Dream Theater crowd, and I

00:58:57.940 --> 00:58:59.940
know there's a lot of other songs I could pull

00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:02.739
here, but I'm going to go with the more mainstream

00:59:02.739 --> 00:59:06.340
one, Dream Theater's Pull Me Under. That's a

00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:09.579
great choice. I love Mike Portnoy as a drummer.

00:59:09.860 --> 00:59:12.440
Any of the stuff that he's ever really touched,

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.289
like you said, with Nightmare for Avenged. Or,

00:59:16.289 --> 00:59:18.489
you know, even the winery dog stuff. It's kind

00:59:18.489 --> 00:59:21.389
of like, you know, it's just a rock band with

00:59:21.389 --> 00:59:23.730
you've got it's a super group, of course. Richie

00:59:23.730 --> 00:59:27.190
Kotzen, Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy. That's

00:59:27.190 --> 00:59:29.909
a trio that can't be stopped, you know, and they

00:59:29.909 --> 00:59:34.429
are just a plus musicians. And so anything that

00:59:34.429 --> 00:59:36.469
they write, even the most simple rock song is

00:59:36.469 --> 00:59:39.170
going to sound sick. But Dream Theater, Pull

00:59:39.170 --> 00:59:41.829
Me Under. I had a student once ask me, hey, can

00:59:41.829 --> 00:59:45.960
we play Pull Me Under? I'm like. I don't know

00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.900
if I can pull me under. So you might have to

00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:51.480
ask Mike Portnoy because him and Mike Mangini,

00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.619
you know, now the newer he hasn't been in. He's

00:59:55.619 --> 00:59:57.579
been in for a while now. But Mike Mangini, they're

00:59:57.579 --> 00:59:59.900
the only two that can pull that stuff off. Yeah.

01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:04.000
And they're a dream theater is also a super group,

01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.619
but they wouldn't have been the same band if

01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:08.260
it wasn't for Mike Portnoy. That's for sure.

01:00:08.659 --> 01:00:12.340
Right. Agreed. Hundred percent. So now I've given

01:00:12.340 --> 01:00:15.400
you a little bit of a proggy area to kind of

01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.659
pull off from there as we got the last half of

01:00:18.659 --> 01:00:25.800
Side B here to go. Jeez. This is tough. I think

01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:29.739
instead of going prog, what I really want to

01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:33.739
do is keep it modern -ish. And the song's already

01:00:33.739 --> 01:00:37.989
old. It's already history. But the band is still

01:00:37.989 --> 01:00:41.090
very prominent, and the two drummers of this

01:00:41.090 --> 01:00:44.550
band have to be in here in some respect. So I'm

01:00:44.550 --> 01:00:48.769
going with, it's Dave Grohl, Foo Fighters, Everlong.

01:00:49.130 --> 01:00:52.130
Awesome. Because if people don't know, this whole

01:00:52.130 --> 01:00:55.710
album was recorded by another drummer, and the

01:00:55.710 --> 01:00:59.269
Color and Shape album. It was recorded by another

01:00:59.269 --> 01:01:03.869
drummer. So if you don't know, it wasn't Taylor

01:01:03.869 --> 01:01:06.710
Hawkins on the kit for this song. because he

01:01:06.710 --> 01:01:09.670
wasn't in the band yet. But they had another

01:01:09.670 --> 01:01:12.869
drummer before Taylor. He didn't cut it. He recorded

01:01:12.869 --> 01:01:15.250
this whole record, and then Dave Grohl went in

01:01:15.250 --> 01:01:17.429
and said, never mind, I'm just going to do it

01:01:17.429 --> 01:01:19.809
myself. So he went in and re -recorded the whole

01:01:19.809 --> 01:01:23.329
thing, and that's who you hear on Everlong. Not

01:01:23.329 --> 01:01:27.750
to put any shade towards Taylor Hawkins, because

01:01:27.750 --> 01:01:32.099
he's got just as many iconic... off the Foo Fighters

01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:35.340
discography. And, you know, what a loss to the

01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:36.960
drumming community. I was just talking about

01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.099
it to my girlfriend, Katie, last night. And she

01:01:40.099 --> 01:01:43.119
similarly was like, oh, really? That must have

01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.320
been a loss. But she doesn't understand. She

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.460
doesn't know where I'm coming from with this

01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:51.340
because Taylor Hawkins took Dave Grohl's parts

01:01:51.340 --> 01:01:54.659
and just made them like 10 times better. There

01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:58.000
was this mutual... understanding in the Foo Fighters

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.320
where Dave Grohl said my favorite drummer of

01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.519
all time is Taylor Hawkins and Taylor Hawkins

01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.260
always said my favorite drummer of all time is

01:02:04.260 --> 01:02:07.760
Dave Grohl they just loved the drums and these

01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:11.119
parts and these songs wouldn't have been as iconic

01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.219
without Dave recording it for the first time

01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:17.699
of course but then Taylor doing it live and doing

01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:22.860
it perfectly in his own way Everlong is one of

01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:24.980
those drum tracks that every drummer tries to

01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:28.179
learn how to do. And I think that you had to

01:02:28.179 --> 01:02:31.480
have these two guys on that list in some shape

01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.820
or form. I'm glad you brought it up. I had best

01:02:34.820 --> 01:02:37.679
of you because I was thinking Taylor Hawkins.

01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.400
But if you think about what Dave Grohl did. I

01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.480
had Dave Grohl also in my list elsewhere with

01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.579
Queens of the Stone Age. No one knows. But because

01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:49.840
we mentioned him, I'm crossing all of those off

01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.159
because it makes my list a little easier right

01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.539
now. But I mean, come on. Two of the greatest

01:02:55.539 --> 01:02:58.380
modern drummers. Taylor Hawkins' death was such

01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:01.219
a big deal for me. Like, I was sick to my stomach

01:03:01.219 --> 01:03:04.099
when it happened. I went on other podcasts for

01:03:04.099 --> 01:03:08.360
the next two weeks just talking about and gushing

01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.880
over this man's music. had the opportunity back

01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:17.480
in 2007, the week before Echoes, Silence, Patience,

01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.099
and Grace came out, I actually met both Dave

01:03:21.099 --> 01:03:25.139
Grohl and Taylor Hawkins in an airport in Toronto.

01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:27.760
I was there for work, sitting in the airport,

01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:31.300
and I'm in my suit, finished a long conference,

01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.400
I'm sitting next to my boss, and Dave Grohl walks

01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:36.519
by me. So I turned to my boss and said, I'll

01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:39.309
be right back, I need to go. Just talk to that

01:03:39.309 --> 01:03:41.269
person for a second. And he goes, why? I said,

01:03:41.269 --> 01:03:44.010
it's Dave Grohl. And he goes, oh, Nirvana. I

01:03:44.010 --> 01:03:46.110
said, yep, whatever. He didn't know. Whatever.

01:03:46.250 --> 01:03:50.190
That's fine. I walked over. I said, Dave, I just

01:03:50.190 --> 01:03:52.150
want to let you know I'm a huge fan of the Foo

01:03:52.150 --> 01:03:54.730
Fighters. I've been listening for years, ever

01:03:54.730 --> 01:03:57.050
since Nirvana. I love the music that you do.

01:03:57.610 --> 01:03:59.449
And I just wanted to let you know that if my

01:03:59.449 --> 01:04:01.489
wife was here with me right now, she would be

01:04:01.489 --> 01:04:05.179
leaving me. for you right now in person but thankfully

01:04:05.179 --> 01:04:08.079
she's not with me and he goes oh thank i he goes

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.280
i'm thankful too because my wife would be upset

01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.719
with that we had a quick laugh and i just said

01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:14.420
look i just want to shake your hand and thank

01:04:14.420 --> 01:04:17.119
you for the music and then taylor hawkins walks

01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:20.840
up and i went oh my god i'm like taylor hawkins

01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:24.460
dude and dave grohl elbows him in the side and

01:04:24.460 --> 01:04:27.500
goes see man people know who you are and i'm

01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:31.550
like of course i said I said, in 1995, I went

01:04:31.550 --> 01:04:33.929
to see Alanis Morissette. And the one thing I

01:04:33.929 --> 01:04:36.489
remember is watching you play drums. And I am

01:04:36.489 --> 01:04:39.190
so happy that you're with this band. I said,

01:04:39.210 --> 01:04:41.769
I am so happy that the new album's coming out.

01:04:41.829 --> 01:04:44.690
I love The Pretender. I said, can I trouble you

01:04:44.690 --> 01:04:47.510
to please sign a small autograph for my wife?

01:04:47.550 --> 01:04:49.170
Because she'll never believe that I met both

01:04:49.170 --> 01:04:50.690
of you. And they both said, oh my God, are you

01:04:50.690 --> 01:04:52.769
kidding? And they signed an autograph. I gave

01:04:52.769 --> 01:04:55.309
them each a handshake and like the bro hug. And

01:04:55.309 --> 01:04:57.750
I said, let me let you guys go because I don't

01:04:57.750 --> 01:05:00.769
want to bug you. And Dave Grohl said, man, thank

01:05:00.769 --> 01:05:03.570
you so much. He goes, you're not like standing

01:05:03.570 --> 01:05:05.710
here for like a half hour. He's like, I appreciate

01:05:05.710 --> 01:05:09.050
you. Thank you so much for being a fan. And I,

01:05:09.090 --> 01:05:11.869
you know, walked off and instantly the two of

01:05:11.869 --> 01:05:15.269
them became gods in my mind. And when Taylor

01:05:15.269 --> 01:05:17.190
Hawkins died, I just remember the friendship

01:05:17.190 --> 01:05:20.750
that they had that I got to see firsthand in

01:05:20.750 --> 01:05:23.570
that one interaction. So I'm so glad you brought

01:05:23.570 --> 01:05:27.150
them up. I'm so glad. Obviously, it's such a

01:05:27.150 --> 01:05:29.929
big loss. That's one of the coolest stories that

01:05:29.929 --> 01:05:32.389
I've ever heard. I mean, I can't believe you

01:05:32.389 --> 01:05:33.869
got to meet both of them. I didn't know that.

01:05:33.929 --> 01:05:37.389
That's so awesome. And exactly what you said.

01:05:37.449 --> 01:05:40.210
And I was literally talking about this to one

01:05:40.210 --> 01:05:42.489
of my students just before we hopped on this

01:05:42.489 --> 01:05:44.809
call. And he wanted to learn Everlong. And I

01:05:44.809 --> 01:05:46.369
was like, oh, no way. I'm going on this podcast

01:05:46.369 --> 01:05:48.289
tonight with my buddy Brian. And we're going

01:05:48.289 --> 01:05:50.789
to be talking about this song. I was going to

01:05:50.789 --> 01:05:53.429
bring it up, you know, definitely. And we were

01:05:53.429 --> 01:05:56.469
talking about. Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins.

01:05:56.510 --> 01:05:59.710
And we were both amongst the mindset of these

01:05:59.710 --> 01:06:03.750
two guys love music. It wasn't about the fame.

01:06:03.809 --> 01:06:06.289
It wasn't about the money. Like you can still

01:06:06.289 --> 01:06:08.690
go to concerts and see Dave Grohl in the pit

01:06:08.690 --> 01:06:12.429
with everybody else because they just love. music

01:06:12.429 --> 01:06:16.949
and that comes across in their music right like

01:06:16.949 --> 01:06:19.489
these songs the passion behind what they were

01:06:19.489 --> 01:06:23.050
playing comes across even if you didn't like

01:06:23.050 --> 01:06:25.809
like the newest foo fighters records or whatever

01:06:25.809 --> 01:06:28.650
the passion was still there they weren't out

01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:31.789
to make a bad record or just like ah whatever

01:06:31.789 --> 01:06:33.570
you know i'm just we're just gonna throw this

01:06:33.570 --> 01:06:35.230
together because the label needs a new album

01:06:35.230 --> 01:06:38.239
it's like these two guys loved what they were

01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.219
doing and still do. Dave Grohl still does the

01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:43.760
thing even after such a loss because he knows

01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.320
how much he loves music. It's so cool. So I'm

01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:49.019
glad. Yeah, that's awesome that this is on the

01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:52.280
list. Well, now I got to follow that up, though,

01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.239
and that's tough. There's so many drummers we

01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.119
haven't talked about tonight and there's only

01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.320
four spots left. But I'm looking at this list

01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:04.800
and we have Queen, Metallica, Tool, Avenged Sevenfold,

01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.829
Dream Theater, Foo Fighters. I want to go back

01:07:08.829 --> 01:07:11.170
to classic rock again because there's a few drummers

01:07:11.170 --> 01:07:12.889
I feel like if we don't mention, people are going

01:07:12.889 --> 01:07:16.269
to completely discredit me. But I want to stay

01:07:16.269 --> 01:07:18.710
modern because I feel like on this side of music,

01:07:18.969 --> 01:07:22.469
going back into classic rock might dip too much

01:07:22.469 --> 01:07:26.369
away from the sound we're getting here. So I'm

01:07:26.369 --> 01:07:29.250
going to stay modern with a modern drummer who

01:07:29.250 --> 01:07:32.949
I think is, and I'm going to say a hot take here,

01:07:33.110 --> 01:07:36.829
is the only reason. A band is as beloved as they

01:07:36.829 --> 01:07:41.550
are. They're a fun band. I promise you, I love

01:07:41.550 --> 01:07:44.809
their music and they're a fun band. However,

01:07:45.010 --> 01:07:48.530
if there was another drummer playing with this

01:07:48.530 --> 01:07:52.329
band, Blink -182 would not be selling concert

01:07:52.329 --> 01:07:56.070
tickets at 200 and something dollars a piece

01:07:56.070 --> 01:08:00.449
for a tour this summer. I understand it is having

01:08:00.449 --> 01:08:07.329
Mark and Tom. and Travis together. But if it's

01:08:07.329 --> 01:08:12.070
Mark and Tom and somebody else, it's not as good.

01:08:13.289 --> 01:08:16.630
And they would not be Blink -182. And I am not

01:08:16.630 --> 01:08:19.149
going to go with a hit. I'm going with a... It

01:08:19.149 --> 01:08:21.850
was definitely a single for them, but it's the

01:08:21.850 --> 01:08:26.229
song that would fit this mix the best. It's a...

01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.520
kind of a darker, heavier song from the 2011

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.100
Neighborhoods album. So it's definitely, for

01:08:32.100 --> 01:08:34.319
this mix, it's a completely deep cut off the

01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.619
rails. But I'm going to go with Blink -182's

01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:41.979
Up All Night. It is a masterclass in drumming

01:08:41.979 --> 01:08:48.319
that elevates an otherwise meh song. I listen

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:52.000
to that song and I go, this is a rudimentary

01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.779
Blink -182 song, but the stuff he's doing in

01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:57.779
it. it makes it one of my favorite blink 182

01:08:57.779 --> 01:09:03.220
songs he brings a c minus song to an a plus with

01:09:03.220 --> 01:09:06.539
his drums yeah and i think elevating a song by

01:09:06.539 --> 01:09:10.380
that much is reason enough to make this list

01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:13.859
so i'm going with blink 182 up all night and

01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:15.680
i know it's a weird one and i know people are

01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.260
probably driving off the road yelling right now

01:09:19.260 --> 01:09:23.159
but travis barker does belong on a greatest drummer's

01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:28.489
list Punk or not, he is an he was at the tribute

01:09:28.489 --> 01:09:32.890
shows for Taylor Hawkins and he did an amazing

01:09:32.890 --> 01:09:35.630
job. He deserves to be there. He deserves to

01:09:35.630 --> 01:09:39.250
be on this list. That is awesome. I love that

01:09:39.250 --> 01:09:41.890
choice. And there had to be a Travis Barker song

01:09:41.890 --> 01:09:45.130
on here. And you know what? I'll say this for

01:09:45.130 --> 01:09:49.250
everybody that. is against our list so far which

01:09:49.250 --> 01:09:51.670
hopefully that's not very many there are so many

01:09:51.670 --> 01:09:54.069
drummers out there there are so many but this

01:09:54.069 --> 01:09:56.569
is the hardest thing to choose we're not just

01:09:56.569 --> 01:09:58.670
doing this to make the worst drummers playlist

01:09:58.670 --> 01:10:02.770
ever this is like really hard and we have to

01:10:02.770 --> 01:10:06.350
keep in mind the drum set has been around since

01:10:06.350 --> 01:10:11.970
the 1910s 1920s and and the modern drum set even

01:10:11.970 --> 01:10:15.220
later than that but the amount of drummers that

01:10:15.220 --> 01:10:19.340
came out of that time from the 50s onward is

01:10:19.340 --> 01:10:23.119
a lot of drummers. If we're in this modern thing,

01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:27.000
I love it. Travis Barker, even everybody in Blink,

01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:30.840
Tom and Mark, they say, this band would be terrible

01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:35.399
without Travis, right? All those songs, they

01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:39.800
set out the two hits, like First Date and All

01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:43.760
the Small Things. Those songs are hits in a pop,

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.699
respect but the drumming makes it more palatable

01:10:47.699 --> 01:10:54.140
to somebody that you know like you can't help

01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:56.279
but get that song stuck in your head but the

01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.079
drums make it like that much better you know

01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:03.770
and so travis barker is very transcendent right

01:11:03.770 --> 01:11:07.510
he's a pop icon you know married to a kardashian

01:11:07.510 --> 01:11:10.529
now all of that i don't want you like this has

01:11:10.529 --> 01:11:12.930
nothing to do with the tmz stuff this is all

01:11:12.930 --> 01:11:16.149
about right this is just his skill his skill

01:11:16.149 --> 01:11:20.210
right and he's so good at that there's no way

01:11:20.210 --> 01:11:23.189
he's transcendent he's on every zildjian cymbal

01:11:23.189 --> 01:11:25.949
box that you'll find in guitar center you know

01:11:25.949 --> 01:11:28.750
he's just that good and Yeah, the band would

01:11:28.750 --> 01:11:31.090
not be the same without him. The original guy

01:11:31.090 --> 01:11:33.310
they had in the band, you know, the only song

01:11:33.310 --> 01:11:35.770
they had was, I think it was Damn It was the

01:11:35.770 --> 01:11:39.550
only one. And that's a hit, right? But how many

01:11:39.550 --> 01:11:42.789
more hits came because of Travis? Exactly. Iconic.

01:11:43.789 --> 01:11:48.649
Now, this actually makes it kind of easy -ish.

01:11:48.869 --> 01:11:52.369
And again, we're kind of modern right now, and

01:11:52.369 --> 01:11:56.810
I like that this side has been... Fairly, fairly

01:11:56.810 --> 01:12:00.569
modern, right? I'm going to go with another one

01:12:00.569 --> 01:12:05.189
who is probably the closest guy to Taylor Hawkins.

01:12:05.250 --> 01:12:08.689
Very mutual respect drummer wise. I'm going to

01:12:08.689 --> 01:12:11.050
go with Red Hot Chili Peppers, Danny California.

01:12:11.829 --> 01:12:17.550
Chad Smith is an iconic, iconic drummer. Him

01:12:17.550 --> 01:12:20.149
and Taylor Hawkins were like best friends. You

01:12:20.149 --> 01:12:22.989
can see after Taylor had passed away, the amount

01:12:22.989 --> 01:12:26.470
of stuff that. Chad was posting about Taylor

01:12:26.470 --> 01:12:29.470
Hawkins. There was just this mutual respect between

01:12:29.470 --> 01:12:32.449
the two of them, which was so fantastic. But

01:12:32.449 --> 01:12:35.470
Chad Smith is a funky drummer. He's an all around

01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:38.390
drummer, though, too. He's on the whole. It's

01:12:38.390 --> 01:12:40.949
actually Taylor Hawkins and Chad Smith on the

01:12:40.949 --> 01:12:43.170
new Ozzy record. They're the two drummers on

01:12:43.170 --> 01:12:47.770
it. So it's like the guy can play anything. But

01:12:47.770 --> 01:12:49.569
the thing that the Red Hot Chili Peppers are

01:12:49.569 --> 01:12:53.569
known for is their funky take on rock. And he's

01:12:53.569 --> 01:12:57.130
a funk drummer that's just in a rock band. And

01:12:57.130 --> 01:12:59.369
it's so cool. All of his grooves are great. But

01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:03.149
when I'm thinking iconic drum groove, iconic

01:13:03.149 --> 01:13:06.550
Chad Smith, that very beginning of Danny California,

01:13:07.010 --> 01:13:09.369
everybody knows what's coming when you hear that.

01:13:10.069 --> 01:13:12.409
Absolutely love that you brought Chad Smith in

01:13:12.409 --> 01:13:15.130
this conversation. I sometimes go automatically

01:13:15.130 --> 01:13:17.170
to the Chicken Foot, the group that he had with

01:13:17.170 --> 01:13:22.010
Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony and Joe Satriani.

01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:26.399
bringing that funky groove to this Van Halen

01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.779
-esque type music, it really made a dynamic change

01:13:30.779 --> 01:13:33.359
for what would be, because if you think about

01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.579
the backdrop of Satriani, who's an Eddie Van

01:13:36.579 --> 01:13:39.119
Halen -style player, with Michael Anthony and

01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.300
Sammy Hagar, you're automatically going to think,

01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:43.539
what would Alex Van Halen sound like in this

01:13:43.539 --> 01:13:46.020
group? Chad Smith went in a completely different

01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:49.159
direction, and it works. And it works well. So

01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:52.239
I love the pick. And I also love that you kind

01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.939
of gave me a palate cleanser to go off in another

01:13:54.939 --> 01:13:58.079
direction. Because there's one more song I wanted

01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.079
to include on this list. And it's the last song

01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.760
I could do for the night. So there's not a lot

01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:07.659
of drums for the first part of this song. But

01:14:07.659 --> 01:14:10.800
when they kick in, people time their frigging

01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.380
New Year's events to it. And I am going to go

01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:18.810
with 1981's Face Value. And Phil Collins, because

01:14:18.810 --> 01:14:20.890
when you think about drummers, he needs to be

01:14:20.890 --> 01:14:25.090
in this conversation. But the iconic in the air

01:14:25.090 --> 01:14:27.829
tonight. Obviously, there's the hangover reference.

01:14:27.909 --> 01:14:29.649
I know everyone's going to think Mike Tyson.

01:14:30.210 --> 01:14:33.810
But come on, when that drum hits, even after

01:14:33.810 --> 01:14:37.510
the iconic Phil, listen to the drum percussion

01:14:37.510 --> 01:14:41.229
that he put in this song. It is unbelievable.

01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.079
It's tribal, it's rock, it's got a pop element,

01:14:46.180 --> 01:14:48.539
and it's all happening at the same time. Think

01:14:48.539 --> 01:14:51.140
about the drum stuff he did with Genesis. Think

01:14:51.140 --> 01:14:53.680
about all the production work in drums that he

01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:55.960
did in the 80s to kind of bring that 80s drum

01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.920
sound. Phil Collins is a master of his craft.

01:15:00.619 --> 01:15:04.140
He's an absolutely incredible player. And this

01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:08.640
is his most iconic moment in music. So I thought

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.840
it would be a nice fit in this coming out of

01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.060
the red hot chili peppers. I didn't feel like

01:15:13.060 --> 01:15:16.600
it was a big stretch either. So Phil Collins

01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:20.720
in the air tonight. I love that choice. I'm glad

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:23.239
you said it because the whole time I'm looking

01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.640
at my list and I'm seeing in the air tonight

01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.560
on there and I'm going. One of us has to say

01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.840
it, but when really is the case. And I'm so happy

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.409
that you said it because. That song is transcendent.

01:15:37.409 --> 01:15:40.310
It's still popular today. It will always be a

01:15:40.310 --> 01:15:44.069
hit and nothing short of a great drum track.

01:15:44.250 --> 01:15:48.869
This is everything. This is when a drummer can

01:15:48.869 --> 01:15:52.189
create something that is just as catchy as a

01:15:52.189 --> 01:15:55.130
melody, right? Or just as catchy as any hook.

01:15:55.189 --> 01:15:57.529
These are drum hooks throughout this whole thing.

01:15:57.689 --> 01:16:03.329
And when you hear that, you know, like that's

01:16:03.329 --> 01:16:06.409
the song I could even play. you know a terrible

01:16:06.409 --> 01:16:11.289
version on my chest of it and you know exactly

01:16:11.289 --> 01:16:14.550
what it is yes it's just iconic you know and

01:16:14.550 --> 01:16:18.090
so this is that song and i i love it and if you

01:16:18.090 --> 01:16:20.510
haven't heard any of the early genesis stuff

01:16:20.510 --> 01:16:23.069
you have to listen to that because he's a prog

01:16:23.069 --> 01:16:27.470
drummer and he can drum don't let the pop bill

01:16:27.470 --> 01:16:31.189
collins fool you because his drumming is fantastic

01:16:31.189 --> 01:16:35.640
and you know again He's written songs for Disney

01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:38.939
with Tarzan, all these hits, you know, and his

01:16:38.939 --> 01:16:42.000
voice is iconic, but his drumming to a drummer

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.500
that's even more iconic than any of it. Amen.

01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.359
And I do want to give a shout out, though, because

01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:51.000
I'm a cover band geek. Nonpoint's cover of In

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.779
the Air Tonight was amazing as well because they

01:16:53.779 --> 01:16:56.859
brought the tribal element right from the beginning

01:16:56.859 --> 01:16:59.899
of the song and still was able to include that

01:16:59.899 --> 01:17:03.180
iconic fill and then take it into the rock world.

01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:06.340
So they kind of reinvented the song and also

01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:10.579
deserves a nod in this drumming episode because

01:17:10.579 --> 01:17:13.500
their version was really creative and really

01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:16.739
amazing as well. Now, I do want to say, John,

01:17:16.819 --> 01:17:19.680
we're down to our last song. I'm going to just

01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:22.300
throw out three names right now that I know we're

01:17:22.300 --> 01:17:24.539
going to catch flack for, not including one of

01:17:24.539 --> 01:17:27.140
the three. And you might go with a fourth. But

01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:30.420
just off the top of my head, we have not talked

01:17:30.420 --> 01:17:33.760
about Keith Moon. We have not talked about Bill

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.920
Ward. And we have not talked about Ringo Starr.

01:17:37.180 --> 01:17:41.119
So no matter what song you pick, we're upsetting

01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:44.239
somebody tonight. And I still have 10 other songs

01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.659
on my list of drummers we haven't touched on.

01:17:46.699 --> 01:17:50.250
This is easily. We could easily do a volume two

01:17:50.250 --> 01:17:53.010
for this episode and still have an endless amount

01:17:53.010 --> 01:17:55.869
of songs. But you have the hardest part of the

01:17:55.869 --> 01:18:00.770
night now. Choosing the night closing track.

01:18:01.949 --> 01:18:04.470
That is so tough. And everything that you said

01:18:04.470 --> 01:18:08.869
is totally correct. Those three, I'm looking

01:18:08.869 --> 01:18:15.090
at the list of just, I have no words other than

01:18:15.090 --> 01:18:18.460
I have to pick something. And if we can do a

01:18:18.460 --> 01:18:20.760
volume two, I will at least be able to sleep

01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:24.979
tonight. So I'm going to go with Ringo Starr.

01:18:25.060 --> 01:18:27.460
The Beatles come together. That is what I'm going

01:18:27.460 --> 01:18:30.859
with because it's the drum track of the Beatles.

01:18:30.979 --> 01:18:34.500
And Ringo had a lot of iconic stuff in the early

01:18:34.500 --> 01:18:36.920
years to, you know, drive my car and whatever.

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:41.399
All iconic drum beats that the Beatles even even

01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:43.600
songs like something you can't help but mention

01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:47.000
that one to where it's just kick snare. Kick,

01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.680
snare, nothing else, nothing else. That's all

01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.819
the song needed, right? But Come Together is

01:18:51.819 --> 01:18:54.699
the song that you hear. And if you, again, if

01:18:54.699 --> 01:18:57.500
you played that beat for anybody without the

01:18:57.500 --> 01:19:00.020
rest of the track behind it, everybody would

01:19:00.020 --> 01:19:03.479
know what it is. Come Together is such a perfect

01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:08.140
drum hook, right? Exactly what we were talking

01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:10.300
about with In The Air Tonight. Come Together

01:19:10.300 --> 01:19:12.819
is a hook. You hear it and it gets stuck in your

01:19:12.819 --> 01:19:16.399
head. It's triplets. It's just a perfect, perfect

01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.579
drum group. And a perfect song to close the night

01:19:19.579 --> 01:19:22.079
out because I'll throw it back to something earlier

01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:24.039
in the night. And again, with my cover songs.

01:19:24.220 --> 01:19:29.579
But Ringo was the perfect pocket drummer. And

01:19:29.579 --> 01:19:32.159
I'll explain why. Another drummer we talked about

01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.659
tonight, Joey Kramer and Aerosmith. Aerosmith

01:19:35.659 --> 01:19:40.300
covered Come Together. And as great as Aerosmith's

01:19:40.300 --> 01:19:44.970
version is, the drums is... Joey Kramer made

01:19:44.970 --> 01:19:48.310
the list tonight. So, I mean, we picked 20 drummers

01:19:48.310 --> 01:19:51.909
and he's on the list. And I think it doesn't

01:19:51.909 --> 01:19:54.270
hold a candle to Ringo's because Ringo's just

01:19:54.270 --> 01:19:58.430
has this feel and Joey Kramer has a feel, but

01:19:58.430 --> 01:20:02.229
he didn't capture the level that Ringo did in

01:20:02.229 --> 01:20:04.729
the Beatles original version. Once again, I'll

01:20:04.729 --> 01:20:08.270
throw out a remix, the remix that they did for

01:20:08.270 --> 01:20:11.369
the Beatles, the latest 50th anniversary remix

01:20:11.369 --> 01:20:14.430
where they did the stereo drum tracks. you really

01:20:14.430 --> 01:20:16.829
hear those fills and they're prominent and they

01:20:16.829 --> 01:20:18.670
brought them up in the mix a little bit more

01:20:18.670 --> 01:20:21.270
than they probably should have. But when you

01:20:21.270 --> 01:20:25.550
feel it on these new mixes, it even gives the

01:20:25.550 --> 01:20:28.569
modern music person who's not a classic rock

01:20:28.569 --> 01:20:33.289
guy the understanding of who Ringo Starr was

01:20:33.289 --> 01:20:38.289
as a drummer. And perfect, perfect closer, man.

01:20:38.449 --> 01:20:41.430
I love it. You can't talk about this list without...

01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.960
adding Ringo. And there are tons of Ringo haters

01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:48.060
out there. And it doesn't make sense because

01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:51.699
he maybe wasn't the most technically proficient.

01:20:51.699 --> 01:20:54.739
He knows that. He told his son to go take lessons

01:20:54.739 --> 01:20:56.760
from Keith Moon because he couldn't teach him.

01:20:56.819 --> 01:21:01.180
Right. And so technically proficient. No. Knowing

01:21:01.180 --> 01:21:04.319
how to play for the song. I feel like almost

01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:08.090
every song on this list. is knowing how to play

01:21:08.090 --> 01:21:10.810
for the song. And that's what makes an iconic

01:21:10.810 --> 01:21:14.130
drum beat. Not just how many chops can you chop

01:21:14.130 --> 01:21:17.810
out in five minutes, right? It's how I can play

01:21:17.810 --> 01:21:21.149
to support this song while also creating things

01:21:21.149 --> 01:21:24.029
that are very catchy, very melodic on the drums.

01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:27.710
So yeah, you can't do a list like this and not

01:21:27.710 --> 01:21:30.930
talk about Ringo. Well, there we have it, folks.

01:21:31.130 --> 01:21:34.909
That concludes side B of our greatest drum tracks

01:21:34.909 --> 01:21:38.550
mixtape, which consists of Queen, We Will Rock

01:21:38.550 --> 01:21:42.550
You, Metallica, Master of Puppets, Tools, Pneuma,

01:21:42.850 --> 01:21:46.449
Avenged Sevenfolds, Backcountry, Dream Theaters,

01:21:46.510 --> 01:21:50.130
Pull Me Under, Foo Fighters, Everlong, Blink

01:21:50.130 --> 01:21:53.890
-182's Up All Night, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Danny

01:21:53.890 --> 01:21:56.970
California, Phil Collins, In The Air Tonight,

01:21:57.289 --> 01:22:00.859
and The Beatles. come together. Remember, you

01:22:00.859 --> 01:22:03.859
can head over to myweeklymixtape .com to hear

01:22:03.859 --> 01:22:06.800
all the songs we discussed in this mix. through

01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.979
the playlist embedded on the episode page. John,

01:22:10.060 --> 01:22:12.300
once again, why don't you let people know how

01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:14.399
they can get in touch with you if they want to

01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:17.140
learn more, maybe take some lessons or just reach

01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:19.340
out to you to yell at you about some of the drummers

01:22:19.340 --> 01:22:22.640
we didn't include. Because yes, I do get it sometimes

01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:26.279
after the episode and it's all in good fun because

01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:29.520
we're just having conversations here and there

01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.500
are no right and wrong answers. But I'm looking

01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:35.470
at this tape going, this is one. Bad ass mix

01:22:35.470 --> 01:22:38.510
we made tonight, man. For sure. For sure. Looking

01:22:38.510 --> 01:22:40.729
at it, too. And I'm like, I would listen to this.

01:22:40.789 --> 01:22:43.449
Or if I had a new student, I would go, you got

01:22:43.449 --> 01:22:45.489
to listen to this. These are the best drummers.

01:22:45.510 --> 01:22:47.569
And there are so many more that we could talk

01:22:47.569 --> 01:22:51.310
about. And these aren't in any order or anything

01:22:51.310 --> 01:22:53.810
like that of hierarchy. These are just drummers

01:22:53.810 --> 01:22:56.569
that got it right for the song in that moment

01:22:56.569 --> 01:23:00.760
in time, which is so cool. And it's. transcendent

01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:02.779
all these songs are very transcendent through

01:23:02.779 --> 01:23:06.079
the years so that is it's it's just a great list

01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:09.159
i love it but yeah if you want to find me john's

01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:12.159
drum studio .com or john's drum studio that's

01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.140
on instagram or you can find me on facebook john

01:23:15.140 --> 01:23:18.859
laurie j -o -n -l -o -r -e -e and then look for

01:23:18.859 --> 01:23:21.359
tantric dates or whatever else i'm doing you

01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:24.699
will find me there Well, man, it is always an

01:23:24.699 --> 01:23:27.760
absolute blast talking music with you. I really

01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.119
hope we could do a volume two at some point because

01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.699
we have a long ways to go with this list. But

01:23:32.699 --> 01:23:34.939
thank you so much for joining me on my weekly

01:23:34.939 --> 01:23:37.899
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