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Hey gang, Scott Klopfenstein here from The Scholars,

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The Littlest Man Band, Real Big Fish, Most Likely

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is what you know. My parents also, they had a

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wild night at one point, and then in 1977, nine

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months later, I was born. So I'm originally from

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there. And you're listening to my weekly mixtape

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with Brian Colburn. And this is part one. I'm

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expecting part two and three. Welcome to My Weekly

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Mixtape, a podcast that takes the classic mixtape

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approach to building a modern playlist. I'm your

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host, Brian Colburn. Joining me tonight as guest

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curator is Scott Kloppenstein, an amazing musician

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whose resume includes The Scholars, Real Big

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Fish, and The Littlest Man Band. Scott, thank

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you so much for joining me on the show, man.

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Oh, my pleasure. I'm super glad to be here. This

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is going to be fun. I can't wait. Now, I want

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to start by asking you the same question I ask

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all my guests. Sure, sure. Scott, what does the

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word mixtape mean to you? I mean, it's how I

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discovered most of the music that I discovered

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when I was a kid. It's how you show a girl you

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like her. It's how you make friends. It kind

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of was, you know, I mean, we always had it as

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it was an art form. And you had to have a dual

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tape deck, obviously. And then you get to write

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and create the J card that went inside. Call

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the J card because it was in the shape of a J.

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Yes, sir. And I mean, it took days sometimes

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to really put together a proper mixtape, depending

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on who it was for. So it was a really fun, creative

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process. And I don't know if there was ever a

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greater compliment than getting a mixtape. not

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for me there wasn't you know what i mean it was

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like like if somebody gave you a mixtape you

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felt like you really meant something to that

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person so with friends it was like whoa this

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person's really cool and you could roll the dice

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i mean like and really turn somebody off too

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they'd be like oh i don't know if we're mixtapes

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it's like oh i mean it's just a friend mixtape

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you know yeah there you go massage just it's

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like you know it means something well tonight

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You and I are going to work together to craft

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the ultimate ska punk mixtape. And given your

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years on the scene touring and recording with

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the bands I mentioned earlier, we're probably

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going to talk about some of those tonight as

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well. I'm very curious to know, what were you

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looking for in the songs that you're bringing

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to the conversation tonight? I don't know. I

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mean, that's a great question. I think more will

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be revealed as we go. You know what I mean? Yeah,

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we'll see. I feel like I'm a little I'm going

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to be grasping in the dark, although I know where

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I want to start. Because it's kind of where I

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started as a kid to like kind of get into music

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that wasn't pop music, especially. But yeah,

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that kind of like floated my boat. And then I

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mean, it kind of depends on what you pick next.

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And then I'll go from, you know. I have no plans.

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I'm open to the experience and we'll try not

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to make it a real boring podcast of me going.

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I have a friend I did a podcast for and her advertisement

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for it was me doing a lot of those. It's like

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talking with Scott Kloppenstein is always riveting.

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And then it was me going, you know, you know,

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you know, I was like, thanks, Jen. But she's

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an old dear friend. So it was a good start. Well,

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I will make sure we don't do that tonight. So

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let's get down to business. As I mentioned, Scott

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and I are going to be curating the ultimate ska

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punk mixtape, and we're going to use that old

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cassette deck approach. Beautiful. Scott, as

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my special guest, will begin side A with his

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first song choice, and then I'll add a song that

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I feel best follows up that choice. We'll then

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flip -flop choosing songs until we've mapped

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out 10 songs for side A. We'll then give our

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mixtape a proverbial flip and we'll map out side

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B, only this time I'll kick things off with Scott

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choosing second. Our overall goal for this episode

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is to craft the best ska -punk mixtape possible.

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through only 20 songs. And at the end of the

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show, you can take our conversation to the next

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level by visiting the episode page at myweeklymixtape

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.com and giving our final mixtape a listen via

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the embedded playlist. And if you like what you're

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hearing on the show, please consider becoming

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a Patreon mixtaper at patreon .com forward slash

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myweeklymixtape. And a few of our Patreon members

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chimed in with what they feel would best kick

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off. a ska punk mixtape. And I want to shout

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out a few of those. Ben from the too vague podcast

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chimed in with the mighty, mighty boss tones.

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Where'd you go? Mally Hart chimed in with less

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than Jake's great American sharpshooter. Cactus

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Pete chimed in with the mighty boss tones. The

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impression I get. And Kevin seeker chimed in

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by saying he wanted to kick things off with something

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early. So he went with madness one step beyond.

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Yeah. Also, some of the fellow mixtapers who

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follow me on social media have chimed in with

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their ideal opening tracks for a ska punk mixtape.

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And just to give a small sample of what some

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of those picks included, we're talking about

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Goldfingers' Here in Your Bedroom, Catch -22's

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Dear Sergio, Bully Rag's Jump Up in a Fashion,

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Five Iron Frenzy's O 'Canada, Less Than Jake's

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Johnny Quest Thinks We're Sellouts, MC Lars'

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This Gigantic Robot Kills, The Planet Smasher's

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Blind, Ruts staring at the rude boys, the skints

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mindless, the specials little bitch, sponge kicking

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pigeons, streetlight manifestos point and counterpoint,

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and sublimes Santa Ria. And remember, you can

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always connect with me at all the social media

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haunts at My weekly mixtape. So, Scott, with

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all that musical food for thought out in the

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atmosphere, I'm officially pressing the record

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button on our mixtape. The floor is yours. Why

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don't you dive into the song that you are choosing

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to kick off side A? For me, it's got to start

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with Three Minute Hero by The Selector. I feel

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like this may have been the first Scott tune

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I ever heard. I actually heard it outside of

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my. friend tyler jacobs's it was the first time

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i heard a song that i knew like i was like well

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like i'd heard english beat on the ferris bueller's

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day off soundtrack you know but it's like when

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you hear it in a soundtrack you kind of i don't

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know why it sits in a different world it's you

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know it helps tell the story or what have you

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but i was sitting on the stairs waiting for my

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friend tyler jacobs's older brother christian

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who actually winds up being christian jacobs

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who is the bat commander from the aquabats nice

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to take us to go to Toilet Paper, our friend's

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house. And he said, he came home from skating

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and he's like, all right, I'll take you guys

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in a minute. And we sat on the stairs where we

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could see into his room and he sat there and

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he put on, I think it was a mixtape actually,

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but he put on a tape and the first thing I heard

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was Three Minute Hero by The Selector. He then

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proceeded to listen to a whole A -side of a mixtape

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and just sat on his bed and stared. while we

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sat there and waiting for him it was the weirdest

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thing i've ever one of the weirdest things i've

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ever seen anybody do but i heard three minute

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hero and i was like what is this like what is

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happening here which it just like lit me up you

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know i mean it's like and then not long after

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we'll get into that but three minute hero it's

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just a great chorus it's a great energy song

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three minute hero i love the selector I love

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the way you're starting things off. We're kind

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of going a little bit old school here to kick

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things off before you get into that 90s style.

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And I think what I'm going to do is follow you

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up using that same mindset. I'm going to go with

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a band that I've seen perform with Real Big Fish

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in the past and a song that Real Big Fish has

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covered by this band and this exact song on your

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2009 album, Fame, Fortune, and Fornication. I'm

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going to go with the original, the English beat.

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Twist and Crawl. I feel like that groove is truly

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that two -tone ska sound that really gets you

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moving. It gets you dancing. It gets you grooving.

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But there's still a heft to that song. There's

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still a rock element. And you can hear when you

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get into that third wave of ska where the influence

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came from. And I feel like the English beat,

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even though they veered a little bit into the

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new wave sound when they did Save It For Later,

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When you listen to 1980s, I Just Can't Stop,

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you truly hear that ska vibe throughout the whole

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album. And I feel like this is a very influential

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album. So what I'd like to ask you is, because

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you guys recorded a cover of this song, obviously

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it meant something to you guys musically to create

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your own version of it. So I'd love to hear what

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you think about this one. English be amazing.

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Again, we're talking about Cheris Bueller's Day

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Off and Save It For Later. I mean, the interesting

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thing is it's like I'm going to most likely throughout

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this list. It's going to be like when I got to

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me because we toured with Dave a bunch. And the

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first time I met Dave was when Dave Wakeland.

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Sorry. Yes. Was when he was doing some re -recording

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of stuff. And or maybe we did play a show together.

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I can't recall. Oh, no. They opened for us at

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a place called the Galaxy Theater. here in southern

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california for something and i was like what

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is the english beat doing opening for us this

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is insanity like this doesn't make any sense

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which is my feeling for every time one of these

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incredibly important seminal ska bands opened

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for us was just stupid didn't make any sense

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uh still doesn't but uh meeting dave and like

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he's such a nice dude and then he was like hey

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i'm re -recording some stuff would you guys want

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to come play horns on it we were like yeah so

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we went to his home and we you know met his wife

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and like hung out at his house and joked around

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and learned these tunes and worked and like then

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we started this real friendship with dave and

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like and his band and like just the nicest and

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most incredible person one of the things i think

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was always important to us and real big fish

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was we were students as much as we could be without

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the internet Oscar music and the best way we

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got exposed to like who they were influenced

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by and what they knew about it was yeah getting

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to meet Selector and getting to meet Dave and

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the English beat you know and Neville Staple

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from the specials and talk about what that two

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-tone era that second wave that that whole thing

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was like and it was not only humbling but it

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was also i mean they appreciated what we were

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doing and so a lot of these bands they not only

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hold a special place in lighting up my mind creatively

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but also in then like sort of passing a torch

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in a way to this incredible culture and musical

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style which i mean i don't know if there's anything

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more valuable than having the people who like

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who were the early custodians of this beautiful

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form of music to then say, hey, we see you, we

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appreciate you, and we give you the nod. So it's

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a deep, deep love and admiration in my heart

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for the English beat as well as the selector,

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for sure. All right. And now we toss it back

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to you to follow up with track three. So, I mean,

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I feel like I'm doing this chronologically in

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my mind because I think it's important. It's

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also just any kind of structure I think is going

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to help. Party at Ground Zero by Fishbone. Nice.

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Because once I had said, oh my gosh, that music

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is amazing. My friend Tyler, who was then like,

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well, let me get you some Fishbone. And I was

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like, okay. And so he got me Fishbone. And then

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all of a sudden, like Fishbone does, my mind

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was blown even further. Because not only was

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it incredible ska music, but it was soul and

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funk and unmistakably. just unbelievable musicianship

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with energy. That was incredible. And they were

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from LA, which was like everybody that I had

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listened to before was all from the UK. I was

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like, Oh, Scott happens here. And so it's like,

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you know, it was like, Oh, all of a sudden. And

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that was actually my introduction to sort of

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to the fact that the Scott scene was something

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that was happening locally as well. But that

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party, that energy, the fun of where. You know,

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I listened to a lot of Weird Al Yankovic when

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I was a kid. Of course. And the tongue in cheek,

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the darkness and the light that Weird Al plays

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with. I was like, oh, it's in ska music too.

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You know, where you've got this thing and you're

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dancing and it's great, but you're talking about

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politics and inequality and just all sorts of

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stuff. So it was, yeah, Party at Ground Zero.

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What a great tune. It's funny you mentioned Weird

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Al Yankovic because that was something I always

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felt like I heard. that sense of humor coming

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through in Real Big Fish's music. And that's

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probably a reason I gravitated to it, because

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I, being the same age as you, grew up with Weird

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Al as well. Yeah, absolutely love it. I love

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the fact that we're going chronologically here,

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but now I want to throw a bomb into this. Sure,

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sure, sure. Jump way ahead, completely leapfrog

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the 90s third wave ska scene, and I want to go

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all the way to 2012. Okay. And I want to give

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love to a band that was originally from Boston,

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but now they're based out of Amsterdam because

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I feel like this song coming out of Fishbone

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musically just works really well. And I'm going

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to go with Jaya the Cat. Here comes the drums

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from 2012's New International Sound of Hedonism.

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I feel like bringing in that. newer vibe with

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that extra reggae feel is a little bit of a left

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turn but it still definitely holds that attitude

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that fishbone brought to the table so yes i totally

00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:37.000
leapfrogged the entire 90s third wave but i know

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we're going to come back to it i'm not worried

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at all but i feel like this song definitely has

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that vibe that pays homage to the 80s sound that

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we're talking about here that second wave ska

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sound but also takes us into the future because

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there are a lot of bands that have come out in

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the last 15 years that are carrying the torch

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for ska music now. And I feel like being able

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to bounce back and forth between the two, there's

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still a musical conversation at play here. For

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sure. Yeah, absolutely. So that makes me want

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to move to sort of that same thing with this

00:15:17.980 --> 00:15:21.309
great band called Frighteners. And their song,

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Always. It's the title track off of their 2022

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release. Unbelievable. Unbelievable band. I'd

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have yet to meet these cats. I discovered them.

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I was putting on a slant. And I always have my

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music on continue. So it's like after I finish

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an album, it just goes into shuffle of whatever

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stuff that I'm not listening to. And the next

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thing that came on was Frighteners. and i was

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like what am i listening to right now like what

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is this and it was soulful and it was kind of

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throwback and yet at the same time like still

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like yeah it was just great and i think this

00:16:01.659 --> 00:16:04.440
band they're so groovy i mean i listen to a lot

00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.000
more like reggae style soul these days because

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i'm a 46 year old man you and me both right well

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it's like i mean like i still love my stop punk

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and my like more upbeat stuff but uh while i'm

00:16:15.450 --> 00:16:18.330
dusting or cleaning the kitchen or you know sitting

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and staring out a window it's like you know it's

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a lot more of the yeah the frighteners are they're

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on regular rotation in our house all right well

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then i'm gonna follow that up with something

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that's been on regular rotation in my house for

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a few years now because it's my youngest daughter's

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favorite band now while most fathers who have

00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:42.740
10 and 14 year old daughters, you would think

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that it would be the Taylor Swift's of the world.

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That would be consuming the music in a household.

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But in my house, it's Amy interrupter and the

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interrupters playing all the time. My 10 year

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old knows every word to every interrupter song.

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And one of her favorites is she's kerosene. I

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got to take both of my girls to the stone pony

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in New Jersey and Asbury park. And during she's

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kerosene, we're up in front. And they blow the

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confetti into the crowd. My daughter's sitting

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on my wife's shoulder, screaming along to every

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word. It was that first moment where I got to

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look at my daughter at a concert, totally engulfed

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in the music. And I kid you not, the hair on

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my arm is standing up as I'm telling you this

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story. And I'm getting like a little choked up

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because seeing my kids love music the way I do

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is a beautiful thing. And the fact that we get

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to share love for a band together. where it's

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not just like my 14 year old she brings me a

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lot of stuff that she listens to which is regular

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top 40 and i'm fine with it because we are finding

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some common ground but when there's something

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where i bring it to them and they're like yeah

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dad this ain't that bad you actually know what

00:17:52.869 --> 00:17:55.990
you're talking about here it really warms my

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heart so i'm going to follow up frighteners with

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the interrupters she's kerosene from 2018's fight

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the good fight all right all right that's a good

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one that's a good one Let's see. Oh, man. And

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now I'm like, I feel like I should add certain

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things, memorize it a little better. Because

00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:17.970
for me, it is very, I do do that thing where

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I'm like, I'm always trying to find that space

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between what I'm digging and then what my kids

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dig, right? And oh, God, what song is it? Hold

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on. This is where I got to like, well, so I like

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Major Lazer because of like. the bringing in

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of the reggae and my kids dig it because it's

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also got a modern thing to it so i would say

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the 2009 major laser can't stop now and that's

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definitely leaning into that reggae sound a little

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bit too yeah yeah and it's strange because we've

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been talking now we're almost through side a

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and we've been living kind of in the reggae second

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wave sound for a lot of this mix which is very

00:19:01.339 --> 00:19:03.559
interesting because a lot of people when you

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talk ska because of the explosion of the third

00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.420
wave i assumed most people because when they

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chimed in a lot of people chimed in third wave

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third wave third wave totally and the fact that

00:19:15.099 --> 00:19:17.000
we're going outside of that a little bit i think

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it's amazing because there is a lot more than

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the third wave and that's zero disrespect to

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the third wave Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I think

00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:27.140
I'm going to do is bring in some third wave here

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with one of the bands that was a label mate with

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you on Mojo Records. And it's a band that I'm

00:19:33.579 --> 00:19:37.259
a huge fan of. One of the best producers in punk

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rock music. I'll say it hands down. I'm going

00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.559
to go with Goldfinger and I'm going to go off

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of the album Hang Ups and I'm going to go with

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Superman. Because to me, that song is just a

00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:54.380
ska punk anthem. And I love the fact that Mike

00:19:54.380 --> 00:19:57.559
Herrera, who's from MXPX but also plays bass

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now in Goldfinger, has recorded an acoustic version

00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:03.960
of the song. And what I find fascinating is that

00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:06.700
you don't hear the ballad in it until you heard

00:20:06.700 --> 00:20:09.240
him reimagine it. And it's like, wow, this song

00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.799
works both ways and it's perfect. Yeah. Oh, John

00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:17.019
is such a great songwriter and he's such a great

00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:20.609
craftsman as far as producing and writing. I

00:20:20.609 --> 00:20:23.630
mean, I learned so much from that guy. I mean,

00:20:23.650 --> 00:20:26.829
not only do I owe him my career, because he was

00:20:26.829 --> 00:20:28.710
the one that helped get Real Big Fish signed.

00:20:28.890 --> 00:20:32.210
Oh, really? Yeah. So we were playing this show

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at a place called The Barn in Riverside, Southern

00:20:34.309 --> 00:20:38.609
California. And John came to the show. And I

00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:40.470
remember, like, I don't know where anybody else

00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:42.309
was, but I was sitting at the merch table and

00:20:42.309 --> 00:20:44.369
he was selling merch at my turn and signing stuff.

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And this dude comes up to me, he goes, hey, man,

00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.099
you guys are really good. I was wondering if

00:20:49.099 --> 00:20:51.200
I could get your phone number to like, you know,

00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.440
and I'm like a 17 year old kid. And he's like

00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.799
a grown man. And I'm like, I'll give you my manager's

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number. Like, I don't know you. And so he's like,

00:21:01.539 --> 00:21:03.400
oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was like,

00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.279
yeah, cool. So, yeah, he was the one he was like,

00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:08.380
you guys are great. Like, you need to be signed.

00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:11.759
You need to be like doing this. Like, you're

00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:14.079
great. And it was just like. John was our champion

00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.079
and got us signed on Mojo and got us connect.

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Yeah, John. And so, I mean, I talked to John

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relatively a few times a year and, you know,

00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.700
see him around the holidays and stuff like that.

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He's a, he's a good friend and we have a lot

00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.019
of similar friends and stuff like that. And he's

00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:31.279
just down for the cause. He's down to help people.

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He loves ska music. He loves punk music and he

00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:37.940
loves music. Like he just, he wants to like participate

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in a positive and useful way. And, um, He never

00:21:42.259 --> 00:21:44.759
stops. I mean, he's always sounds a little out

00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.480
of breath. He's like, Hey Scott, it's John. And

00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.799
that's how we, because he's so full of like exuberance

00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:54.019
that you're like, wow, it's exciting. Being around

00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:56.900
John is a very, it's very exciting. I can imagine

00:21:56.900 --> 00:21:59.359
that because every album, when I see an album

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that's coming out that he's produced, I will

00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.960
buy it sight unheard because I know what he brings

00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.909
to his productions. And my daughter. recently

00:22:09.909 --> 00:22:12.470
discovered i'm using quote marks when i say discovered

00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:15.130
but about a year and change ago she's like dad

00:22:15.130 --> 00:22:17.569
i just discovered this new artist avril lavigne

00:22:17.569 --> 00:22:21.750
and i chuckled because i'm like sweetie avril

00:22:21.750 --> 00:22:23.630
lavigne was around 20 years ago and she goes

00:22:23.630 --> 00:22:26.549
no no new song so i looked it up and i'm like

00:22:26.549 --> 00:22:28.910
john fellman produced this i went to the store

00:22:28.910 --> 00:22:31.170
i said let's go buy it for you and you knew it

00:22:31.170 --> 00:22:33.509
was going to be great because what he brings

00:22:33.509 --> 00:22:37.349
to the table he really no he has an ear for what

00:22:37.900 --> 00:22:41.880
the songs need and it was easily avril lavigne's

00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.380
best album since her first one i loved it yeah

00:22:45.380 --> 00:22:47.539
john's been working with avril for a while and

00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:49.420
like yeah they have a really great relationship

00:22:49.420 --> 00:22:52.640
she knows how to embody his writing and like

00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.640
he knows how to write for her that kind of thing

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.680
is always like incredible well you've got one

00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:01.640
last song for side a one last song for side a

00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:05.579
um well then i mean let's keep the energy going

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:09.819
And I got to go with the Boston's. It was brought

00:23:09.819 --> 00:23:13.880
up, but going kind of like 93. Don't know how

00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.019
to party Boston's, which is where I discovered

00:23:16.019 --> 00:23:19.160
the Boston's with Sunday, I suppose. All right.

00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:22.880
Yeah, you know, because it was also like, I don't

00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.680
know that I had ever heard ska like that. You

00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.859
know what I mean? Like the Boston's were something

00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:35.440
else, you know, was that someday. you know, it

00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.759
was almost like the closest thing I could think

00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.720
that was like, that would be like rocket from

00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.420
the crit. Yeah. You know what I mean? And rocket

00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:46.400
has horns, but they're not by any stretch of

00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.519
the imagination of ska band, but it was just

00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.279
like this, like, and it wasn't boy, you know

00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:54.500
what I mean? It wasn't all by the, it wasn't

00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:57.299
that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, I, I will always,

00:23:57.380 --> 00:24:00.660
again, Boston special place in my heart. Just.

00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:05.519
groundbreaking and like eye opening and melodically

00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:10.839
unmistakable like knew how to work melody and

00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.960
rhythm in a way that was just their own thing

00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.779
you know and that comes a lot from like Nate

00:24:17.779 --> 00:24:19.819
the guitar player at the time and Dennis the

00:24:19.819 --> 00:24:21.859
trombone I mean like Hollywood all those cats

00:24:21.859 --> 00:24:25.420
were like Joe Kittle just what a great band what

00:24:25.420 --> 00:24:28.640
a great band and Dickie just the funnest front

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.950
man you ever saw and What a vocal style. So gravelly.

00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:36.410
Oh, yeah. And then Ben just dancing. I mean,

00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:37.970
like, that's the funny thing is I was like, I

00:24:37.970 --> 00:24:39.710
remember the first time seeing the Blastones

00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:41.789
and being like, oh, what is that guy's deal?

00:24:42.529 --> 00:24:45.029
And I was like, wait a second. And then I rewatched

00:24:45.029 --> 00:24:47.230
the video and I was like, oh, he's not playing.

00:24:47.930 --> 00:24:52.230
Okay. Yeah. And it was Ben, their tour manager.

00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:55.190
Really? And he just became kind of the dancing.

00:24:56.690 --> 00:25:00.079
Ben started as their tour manager. Yeah. That's

00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:01.720
a great legacy to have, though. What did you

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.859
what did you do for the last 30 years? I danced

00:25:03.859 --> 00:25:06.779
rock and roll, dance and tour managed. You know,

00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:09.140
I mean, he had people work in front of house

00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:11.119
and, you know, all the sound and everything.

00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:12.900
And he's like, oh, I guess I can just dance.

00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:15.380
And I mean, eventually. Yeah, but it's pretty

00:25:15.380 --> 00:25:18.400
funny. Well, you scooped me on the band. I had.

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.940
Two songs that I was bouncing back and forth

00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:23.880
with. Obviously, the impression I get because

00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.900
that was the one that really exploded on the

00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:29.240
scene. And the Rascal King, which I also loved,

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:33.000
both from 1997's Let's Face It. Great album.

00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:36.259
And then when my cover song, Itch, gets into

00:25:36.259 --> 00:25:38.700
me, I could have even used their cover of Detroit

00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:41.819
Rock City from the Kiss My Ass album that came

00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:44.769
out, the Kiss Tribute. Because they just slayed

00:25:44.769 --> 00:25:46.410
that one as well. Because those guys could rock

00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:49.410
on top of the punk, on top of the ska. I mean,

00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:52.150
you even could have gone, where did you go? Yep.

00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:54.309
I mean, any of these bands, you can put a million

00:25:54.309 --> 00:25:56.690
stinking songs on this thing. I feel like I'm

00:25:56.690 --> 00:25:59.230
like, oh, God, what am I thinking now? Well,

00:25:59.289 --> 00:26:02.289
I have the distinct pleasure of getting to close

00:26:02.289 --> 00:26:04.410
out side A. You're going to be closing out the

00:26:04.410 --> 00:26:07.109
night with closing out side B. But I promise

00:26:07.109 --> 00:26:10.380
you. I'm not picking this song to kiss your ass.

00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.579
I promise you I'm picking this song because it

00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:15.960
is truly one of my favorites. And I am going

00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:22.180
to go off of Real Big Fish's 1996 Turn the Radio

00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:26.339
Off album. Oh, wow. And I am going with Beer.

00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:31.539
All right. This song is everything I love about

00:26:31.539 --> 00:26:34.809
ska. I will tell you the story. We were down.

00:26:34.930 --> 00:26:37.250
My buddies and I decided to take a road trip

00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:40.430
down to Wildwood, New Jersey to go to the boardwalks

00:26:40.430 --> 00:26:44.130
for the day. Jersey Shore. Drove two and a half

00:26:44.130 --> 00:26:46.190
hours down to the Jersey Shore. We spent the

00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:47.950
whole day on the beach, spent the night on the

00:26:47.950 --> 00:26:49.509
boardwalk. And at the end of the night, about

00:26:49.509 --> 00:26:51.430
10 minutes before we're going to leave, we go

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:55.829
up to one of these spin the wheel booths. Sure,

00:26:55.829 --> 00:26:58.609
sure. Threw a dollar down. I placed my quarters.

00:26:58.809 --> 00:27:01.670
They spun the wheel and I won and I got to pick

00:27:01.670 --> 00:27:05.670
out. It was a CD. Any CD I wanted. And I picked

00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:08.609
out, turned the radio off, and we listened to

00:27:08.609 --> 00:27:13.309
it six times in a row, driving back home that

00:27:13.309 --> 00:27:15.789
night. And I instantly fell in love with the

00:27:15.789 --> 00:27:18.470
band and the music. And this song was the one

00:27:18.470 --> 00:27:21.750
that jumped out at me immediately. And then it

00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:24.289
even got more amplified when I saw it in basketball

00:27:24.289 --> 00:27:27.509
in the late 90s, the Trey Parker, Matt Stone

00:27:27.509 --> 00:27:31.400
movie. So I would love to hear. what this song

00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.299
meant for you guys as a band and how it, I don't

00:27:34.299 --> 00:27:36.660
want to say defined a career, but I know sellout

00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:39.299
was the big radio hit, but beer was always felt

00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:41.799
like to me, the fan favorite seeing real big

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.380
fish at least a dozen times over the years. This

00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:47.759
to me always felt like the song of the night.

00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.359
Well, yeah. And it's funny too. I was just talking

00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.319
with somebody about it as I'm like scrolling

00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.599
through, I'm trying to think, um, I'm like, Oh,

00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:57.720
what else is there? You know, that song was never

00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.240
a single. Yeah. We never put it out on the I

00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:05.460
mean, like arguably like our most popular song

00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:11.779
ever. And like somehow it just I mean, it's just

00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:15.960
nobody. It's baffling to me. I don't understand

00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:20.700
how that worked out, but it just did. And I was

00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:23.240
actually talking with Aaron about we've both

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.400
said this to each other. And I think we've maybe

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.619
said it publicly as well. It's a weird thing.

00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.500
to have anything you've done considered a hit.

00:28:33.940 --> 00:28:36.940
It's just weird. I mean, I think Aaron and I

00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:39.140
both play this game, and we were actually talking

00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:41.180
to Chris from Less Than Jake about this whole

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:43.240
thing, too, where it's like, people just say

00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.339
hit, and then in your mind, you compare it to

00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:50.059
hits. You know, and you're like, that's a hit.

00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:53.220
This is not a hit. And it's like, we could go

00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:57.240
on to Spotify and see what the streaming numbers

00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.059
are, and it's a hit. By most stretches of the

00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:03.019
imagination. By no stretch of the imagination

00:29:03.019 --> 00:29:06.579
is it a hit. But it's a weird thing to see a

00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:10.240
song that you wrote with your friends and played

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:15.220
in front of 50 people. And we're so stoked. We're

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:19.380
just like, I'll do 50 people. And then watch

00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:22.900
that number go. It's humbling. It's exciting.

00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:28.089
It's terrifying. There's a little bit of a. And

00:29:28.089 --> 00:29:31.109
I mean, I think this isn't news to anybody when

00:29:31.109 --> 00:29:33.869
it comes to like bands and like if they have

00:29:33.869 --> 00:29:36.490
a couple songs that are like their big thing.

00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:39.009
And we're lucky that most of our fans have a

00:29:39.009 --> 00:29:42.309
pretty decent love and respect for a majority

00:29:42.309 --> 00:29:44.630
of our catalog, you know, and they want to hear

00:29:44.630 --> 00:29:47.170
a lot more. But let's face it, like the crowd

00:29:47.170 --> 00:29:49.349
that never screams the loudest is the one that

00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:52.650
they scream for beer or maybe take on me or maybe

00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:54.470
sell out. But it's like. It was one of those

00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:56.309
things where there would be times where that's

00:29:56.309 --> 00:29:59.329
all people wanted to hear. And so we would, because

00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:03.869
we don't play by anyone's rules, play it nine

00:30:03.869 --> 00:30:07.470
times in a row. And nobody got tired of it. And

00:30:07.470 --> 00:30:10.130
it became funny and tragic all at the same time.

00:30:10.349 --> 00:30:12.390
And it's like you're trying to screw with people,

00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:14.250
but then you can't because they just love the

00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:18.910
song so much. And you're like, come on. But what

00:30:18.910 --> 00:30:22.430
an honor for anybody to say anything we do or

00:30:22.430 --> 00:30:26.619
did. Or, you know, it means as much as some of

00:30:26.619 --> 00:30:29.160
our songs and beer in particular has meant to

00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.920
people. Yeah, that's a rare gift because it's

00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.279
I don't think it's just that the song is good.

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:39.859
I think for some reason we wrote it and it hit

00:30:39.859 --> 00:30:41.819
people at the right time in the right way. We

00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:45.779
were so fortunate to be, you know, some of what

00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:49.460
is luck. It's like preparation meets timing or

00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:51.720
something like that. Yeah, we were just it was

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.009
it was right. And what a blessing. What an honor.

00:30:56.230 --> 00:30:58.630
Like something to just be like eternally grateful

00:30:58.630 --> 00:31:02.069
for and like constantly like try never to take

00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:04.670
it for granted, which is, of course, like impossible

00:31:04.670 --> 00:31:09.170
because we're all egomaniacal sociopaths. But

00:31:09.170 --> 00:31:13.029
it's rad. It's great. I'm just rattling now.

00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:15.069
But it's yeah, it's what an absolute honor and

00:31:15.069 --> 00:31:16.829
pleasure to have made something that meant so

00:31:16.829 --> 00:31:20.380
much to so many people. It truly does. And that,

00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.940
mixtapers, concludes side A of our ska punk mixtape,

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.460
which kicked off with The Selectors, Three Minute

00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:31.299
Hero, The English Beat, Twist and Crawl, Fishbone,

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:34.640
Party at Ground Zero, Jaya the Cat, Here Comes

00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.339
the Drums, Frighteners, Always, The Interrupters,

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:41.859
She's Kerosene, Major Lasers, Can't Stop Now.

00:31:42.590 --> 00:31:45.190
Goldfinger's Superman, the Mighty Mighty Boston,

00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:49.589
Someday I Suppose, and Real Big Fish Beer. Head

00:31:49.589 --> 00:31:52.049
over to myweeklymixtape .com to hear all the

00:31:52.049 --> 00:31:54.869
songs we've discussed in this mix through the

00:31:54.869 --> 00:31:58.430
playlist embedded on the episode page. Now, before

00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:01.109
we flip our proverbial mixtape over to Side B,

00:32:01.190 --> 00:32:03.210
Scott, I'd like to take a minute to talk about

00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:07.250
the Littlest Man Band. Oh, okay. Yeah. In 2022,

00:32:07.630 --> 00:32:11.390
you remastered and re -released your 2004 album,

00:32:11.569 --> 00:32:14.430
Better Bookends. I'd like to go back to when

00:32:14.430 --> 00:32:16.109
you were recording that album, because at the

00:32:16.109 --> 00:32:18.549
time you were in between Real Big Fish's Cheer

00:32:18.549 --> 00:32:21.230
Up and We're Not Happy Until You're Not Happy.

00:32:21.309 --> 00:32:25.589
And musically, this was a really big departure

00:32:25.589 --> 00:32:28.029
from what you were doing with Real Big Fish.

00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:32.400
So what I love about the album. is the jazzy

00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.279
contemporary pop sounds that you kind of fused

00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.880
with the hints of rock punk and the brass elements

00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.079
that you were used to hearing in real big fish.

00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:45.279
When you were writing this music, was there a

00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.160
mindset that you were in when you were saying,

00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:50.799
you know what, this isn't real big fish, but

00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.640
this is definitely me and I need to make this

00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.519
happen. How did that all come together? Really

00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.839
organically. I mean, I don't force anything.

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.640
like i just don't believe in it i have so many

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.299
different sounds that go around in my head and

00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:09.599
influences and stuff like that as many musicians

00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.680
do but yeah i feel like i just heard this thing

00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:18.000
and kind of followed it and then when i got my

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.420
friends together to do it it started to kind

00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:23.299
of take this other shape i mean i picked people

00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:26.359
in particular for what i knew they were capable

00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:31.259
of and once We had like four tunes or five tunes

00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:33.779
to start with. And then like once I heard the

00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:36.700
band play those, then all of a sudden my wheels

00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:40.339
started really turning. And it was like just

00:33:40.339 --> 00:33:43.700
everything else wrote itself so quickly that

00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:49.380
I just hear things really big. And I hear things

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:52.700
generally all done in my head. And it's just

00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:54.460
kind of the way it's always been. But that was

00:33:54.460 --> 00:33:56.890
just how it sounded in my head. None of it was

00:33:56.890 --> 00:34:00.710
really intentional. There were times in Real

00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:04.390
Big Fish where I would want to take certain chances

00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:06.869
or try certain things. And Aaron was like, yeah,

00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:09.429
I don't think so. And I was like, okay, no, it's

00:34:09.429 --> 00:34:12.349
no problem. And I was lucky enough to get drunk

00:34:12.349 --> 00:34:16.030
again and Average Man recorded. And I kind of

00:34:16.030 --> 00:34:19.909
felt like those two kind of told me that I was

00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:22.230
heading in the direction where there was a little

00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:25.380
more. yeah just a different thing than like real

00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:29.920
big fish was was focused on and i mean i didn't

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.599
really expect anybody to care i kind of i operate

00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.960
from that perspective most of the time is it's

00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.019
like i gotta do what i gotta do i can't be worried

00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:41.820
if anybody cares and we were very fortunate that

00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:45.239
people cared and still do i mean i you know we

00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.980
didn't know if anybody would care if we remastered

00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:51.099
and re -released better bookends And it's amazing

00:34:51.099 --> 00:34:53.119
that people have, I mean, we've sold a ton of

00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.699
the vinyl and like, you know, the numbers on

00:34:55.699 --> 00:34:58.840
all Spotify and all the streaming services shot

00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.679
up and all sorts of stuff. It's been, I don't

00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.699
know. I get it. Cause I come back to this thing

00:35:03.699 --> 00:35:06.199
where it's like, I always keep this thing in

00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.420
the back of my mind. It's not how many it's that

00:35:08.420 --> 00:35:12.559
anyone at all cares. Like I got to do this thing

00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:17.079
because if I don't, I go nuts. And so if it connects

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.119
or means something to one or a couple people,

00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.949
then. great then I've done my job but I have

00:35:22.949 --> 00:35:26.590
some for some unbeknownst reason been lucky enough

00:35:26.590 --> 00:35:30.889
to create things that more than just a couple

00:35:30.889 --> 00:35:33.969
people like I mean I'm not going to stop I don't

00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:36.610
know how I tried I tried for a little while I

00:35:36.610 --> 00:35:39.190
stopped making music for about three years when

00:35:39.190 --> 00:35:42.389
I had kids at first and my wife begged me to

00:35:42.389 --> 00:35:46.099
get back to work She was like, please, you're

00:35:46.099 --> 00:35:47.860
a miserable human being. I was like, I think

00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:52.780
what it winds up being to make a really short

00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.619
story long. I'm just trying to make the music

00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:00.079
I want to hear that I don't yet. It's like I

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.260
would love to sound like so many bands that I

00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:07.400
do enjoy. Oh, my gosh. But they're already doing

00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.159
that. I'm a huge Queens of the Stone Age fan.

00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:13.420
Love Queens. Love just. Yeah. Great band. Great

00:36:13.420 --> 00:36:15.710
band. And I'm always like, oh, I just feel like

00:36:15.710 --> 00:36:18.289
none of like I'm never write anything like that.

00:36:18.469 --> 00:36:20.630
And then I had somebody point out recently that

00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:23.090
like their songs, their melodies and stuff. There

00:36:23.090 --> 00:36:24.730
are times where it's really Queens of the Stone

00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:27.570
Age. And I was like, yeah, I was like, good,

00:36:27.650 --> 00:36:29.969
great, because I always feel like I don't get

00:36:29.969 --> 00:36:32.070
it there. And now I hear it a lot in a lot of

00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:33.449
the things I'm doing. But yeah, I'm just trying

00:36:33.449 --> 00:36:36.670
to make something that I don't hear because I

00:36:36.670 --> 00:36:38.329
don't want to recreate something that already

00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:42.090
has been. I'm trying to surprise myself more

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:47.019
than anything. and see if I can like really bear,

00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:53.219
figure out how I expose the deeper human parts

00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:56.079
of myself in order to make other people feel

00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.039
comfortable to expose the deeper human parts

00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.639
of themselves to create more catharsis and community.

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.159
Your mindset to music is the exact same mindset

00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.199
I have with this podcast. I'm doing this podcast

00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.980
because I love it and I'm not happy when I don't

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.219
do it but if people are listening that is a bonus

00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:19.739
and that just puts a bigger smile on my face

00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:22.320
each and every week and I'll also agree with

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.000
you that I don't know if I could hear the song

00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.500
always same on a real big fish album I feel like

00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:32.380
it works perfectly as a littlest man band song

00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:36.000
because it is a departure from real big fish

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.460
but I can understand why this album needed to

00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:42.679
happen the only critique I will give is that

00:37:43.050 --> 00:37:47.070
Being a person who owns 4 ,500 CDs and has been

00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:50.590
searching for better bookends on CD for the better

00:37:50.590 --> 00:37:53.309
part of two decades, I was really hoping that

00:37:53.309 --> 00:37:55.010
there would have been a CD pressing with the

00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:57.849
latest remaster. That's a very small quibble

00:37:57.849 --> 00:38:00.989
on my part. Very, very small. I understand. Yeah,

00:38:01.070 --> 00:38:06.610
it's not there. You know, we haven't seen the

00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:10.750
demand for CD yet. I understand. I may have a

00:38:10.750 --> 00:38:14.519
box or two somewhere. that i'll look for that

00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.860
would be amazing that has been a bucket list

00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:20.239
checkoff that i've been looking to do for now

00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.340
two decades and it's literally i have the album

00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:25.900
digitally but it's not the same because i have

00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:29.039
a full cd stereo setup that i like to it's my

00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.000
listening area and that's kind of like yeah i'm

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.920
a guy from the 90s as much as i love vinyl and

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.920
i had cassettes and mixtapes growing up CDs is

00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.219
where I fell into my element. But more importantly,

00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.099
back to the Littlest Man Band. The band is back

00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:46.980
in action now. Yeah. And I'd like to talk about

00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:49.579
some of the new tunes that you've released over

00:38:49.579 --> 00:38:52.480
the most recent time period. The first being

00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:56.219
a song called Just Like You, which is a jazzy

00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:59.420
rocker that has, and I mean this as an absolute

00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:04.340
compliment, a touch of the 90s swing revival

00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:08.489
and almost a... contemporary pop sound to it

00:39:08.489 --> 00:39:13.550
fall in love again she's gotta be just like you

00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:20.530
graceful and delicate cause nothing less will

00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:26.750
do a certain something hidden behind bright eye

00:39:26.750 --> 00:39:31.090
the sweetest tenderness that never dies and now

00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:08.829
It just works so damn well. It's, dare I say

00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:11.909
it, it's my favorite Littlest Man Band song ever,

00:40:11.989 --> 00:40:13.869
and it's your newest single. Oh, wow. Thank you

00:40:13.869 --> 00:40:18.150
so kindly. I only have weeks to digest this song,

00:40:18.230 --> 00:40:20.769
and it instantly rocketed to the top. It's just

00:40:20.769 --> 00:40:25.110
such a powerful, powerful tune. Oh, thank you

00:40:25.110 --> 00:40:28.130
so much. Yeah, I mean, I wrote that with the

00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:30.130
original Littlest Man Band, and we never got

00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:33.090
around to recording it. So it was like... When

00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:34.909
we were like, what are we recording next? I was

00:40:34.909 --> 00:40:36.610
like, well, let's do one of the newer ones and

00:40:36.610 --> 00:40:38.269
let's do one of the older ones. And I kind of

00:40:38.269 --> 00:40:40.190
feel like there's some stuff that we never got

00:40:40.190 --> 00:40:42.650
to release back then that I think I really want

00:40:42.650 --> 00:40:45.130
to get to. But there's a song actually I wrote

00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:50.170
about my wife before we were even dating. Wow.

00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:53.329
And it actually, she came to see me at a show.

00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:55.130
She came to see one of those man band play at

00:40:55.130 --> 00:40:58.150
a show in Long Island. And she saw the side.

00:40:58.269 --> 00:40:59.869
And then my drummer went up to her afterwards.

00:41:00.010 --> 00:41:01.409
He's like, you know, that last song we played.

00:41:01.469 --> 00:41:04.639
Yeah. That's about you, you know? And she was

00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.360
like, oh. And so she went home actually that

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.619
night and broke up with her boyfriend. Wow. That's

00:41:09.619 --> 00:41:11.780
the way to do it, man. That's epic style right

00:41:11.780 --> 00:41:14.500
there. Yeah. You know, it was, I mean, I feel

00:41:14.500 --> 00:41:18.500
bad for her ex. I didn't mean to write it that

00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:23.480
good. Yeah. And so it was like, for my wife,

00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.860
I also wanted to record it. And we had such fantastic

00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:28.260
musicians on those recordings. I mean, we had.

00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.820
Tony Austin, who plays in Kamasi Washington's

00:41:31.820 --> 00:41:35.000
band. Dennis Hamm, who plays with Thundercat.

00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:38.079
Ed Campworth, who plays in the Long Beach Dub

00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.960
All -Stars. And then the littlest man band horn

00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.500
section, which is a cat named Edgar Guadiana.

00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:46.460
He's also in a band called Twin Temple, which

00:41:46.460 --> 00:41:49.440
is a satanic doo -wop band. And then Tavis Wertz

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.340
from Real Big Fish. And then a guy named Adam

00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:56.119
Leverick Johnson, who is one of my front bone

00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.219
players. And then John Avila. From Oingo Boingo

00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.880
and the first two Relic Fish albums produced

00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.699
it. Amazing. Amazing. And with that track, you

00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:08.860
also had a single, Sidle Up, which has that balance

00:42:08.860 --> 00:42:11.639
of that contemporary pop delivery with a modern

00:42:11.639 --> 00:43:55.849
energy across the whole song. Is that kind of

00:43:55.849 --> 00:43:57.809
the style you go for in the Littlest Man Band?

00:43:57.889 --> 00:44:00.030
Or is that just a coincidence? Because these

00:44:00.030 --> 00:44:02.789
songs, like I said, and when I say contemporary

00:44:02.789 --> 00:44:06.510
pop, it's weird to say Frank Sinatra, but it's

00:44:06.510 --> 00:44:09.269
that element of cool with the delivery. It's

00:44:09.269 --> 00:44:13.050
a suave delivery over this music that is a little

00:44:13.050 --> 00:44:15.050
heavier and a little more weighty. So it's a

00:44:15.050 --> 00:44:18.010
really cool balance. It's just the way it comes

00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:20.610
out. Yeah. I don't know. I try not to overthink

00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:22.610
this stuff because if I do, I'll never get anything

00:44:22.610 --> 00:44:26.239
done. You know, I mean, like right now we're

00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.639
in the midst of demoing another song to record

00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.780
and I've been overthinking it because I've had

00:44:31.780 --> 00:44:33.820
it for a while. I'm not even done with the lyrics

00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:36.440
yet. We've already demoed it like seven times.

00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:39.260
And it's like this final time we're like, OK,

00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.739
I think this is probably it. But I mean, we had

00:44:41.739 --> 00:44:43.599
to play with a bunch of tempos and weirdness.

00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:45.880
I was like, I think I'm overthinking it. And

00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.760
Vince Walker, who's my like my right hand, he

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:50.539
was just kind of he's there to keep me from going

00:44:50.539 --> 00:44:54.069
insane and also just unbelievably talented. And

00:44:54.069 --> 00:44:56.429
he goes, you know, I, I, I think this is it.

00:44:56.489 --> 00:44:58.349
And I'm like, are you sure? He's like, I think

00:44:58.349 --> 00:45:00.389
we're good. And I go, okay. Cause I need someone

00:45:00.389 --> 00:45:02.650
to bit there that tell me to stop sometimes.

00:45:03.030 --> 00:45:05.710
Cause this is, this is an idea machine that never

00:45:05.710 --> 00:45:10.170
turns off. So, I mean, we've got a good, probably

00:45:10.170 --> 00:45:14.690
16 tunes to record. Nice. Um, just finding the

00:45:14.690 --> 00:45:17.349
time and energy and money. Most of the problem.

00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:21.980
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, leave the overthinking

00:45:21.980 --> 00:45:24.039
to the podcasters like me, because that's what

00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.940
I do. I sit around and think about this stuff

00:45:25.940 --> 00:45:27.940
all the time. You just keep cranking out great

00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:30.159
music. Now, along with the Littlest Man Band,

00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.420
you've been keeping busy in other avenues as

00:45:32.420 --> 00:45:35.679
well. You re -recorded as a solo the song that

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.820
you did, Average Man, with Real Big Fish. You

00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:41.820
re -recorded that. I just became a member of

00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:45.400
a club known as the Bumbling Fools. Watching

00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.320
the game and the best things in life is the motto

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:53.199
and the rule. You can open up your heart and

00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.360
hear me out just for tonight. Baby, I've got

00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.079
something to prove to you. I gotta show you I

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.860
can do it right. Get out. Don't wanna see you.

00:46:24.409 --> 00:46:27.550
You also reunited with Real Big Fish members

00:46:27.550 --> 00:46:30.429
Aaron Bennett, Rylan Steen, and Dan Regan on

00:46:30.429 --> 00:46:33.670
a song No Hope by Loser. Can you talk about how

00:46:33.670 --> 00:46:36.090
that track came together? Well, Chris Grau is

00:46:36.090 --> 00:46:38.690
a friend of mine and a dear friend, actually.

00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:43.289
And so when he asked, I just said, yes. Well,

00:46:43.489 --> 00:46:47.030
and I sang on a few of his tunes. And one of

00:46:47.030 --> 00:46:49.010
them is the one that is it No Hope that's in

00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:52.639
the Clerks 3? Yes. yeah it's uh he's just i i

00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.460
love chris's stuff and we he kind of he tour

00:46:55.460 --> 00:46:57.920
managed me and babysat me when i did some stuff

00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:03.039
going out i need a lot of holding um and uh yeah

00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.480
he's just i think he's a great songwriter and

00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.239
he's just got this fun approach to things so

00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.260
when he asked me i was like absolutely i mean

00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.800
my manager was obviously like what was there

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.699
a contract and i said no and he's like do you

00:47:17.699 --> 00:47:22.300
want me to fail Um, so, you know, um, but Chris

00:47:22.300 --> 00:47:24.860
is great and he's toured with real big fish.

00:47:24.860 --> 00:47:27.059
He toured with real big fish before in a band,

00:47:27.139 --> 00:47:30.159
the maxis. Oh yeah. Yeah. He's just one of those

00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.980
guys. He's been around. He shoots like every

00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:35.500
music video in the Scott scene lately. And, uh,

00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.679
yeah, it's just a mensch, just a mensch. Awesome.

00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.320
Well, I'm going to ask one question because of

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.039
your connection that you've stayed in touch with

00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.139
Aaron over the years. I know he's come on one

00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:48.889
of your live streams that you do on Twitch. I

00:47:48.889 --> 00:47:50.610
know you haven't been in the band for a long

00:47:50.610 --> 00:47:53.809
time, but the band has been quiet since the Life

00:47:53.809 --> 00:47:56.349
Sucks, Let's Dance album and tour that happened

00:47:56.349 --> 00:47:59.610
in 2018. Has there been any movement? Is Real

00:47:59.610 --> 00:48:02.230
Big Fish still active? Are they working on new

00:48:02.230 --> 00:48:04.469
stuff? Do you know anything that, again, I'm

00:48:04.469 --> 00:48:06.610
not trying to be TMZ here. I'm just a fan who

00:48:06.610 --> 00:48:11.090
loves the band. I know. I mean, I talk with Aaron.

00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:14.469
He's like a brother to me. All I know is that

00:48:14.469 --> 00:48:16.769
it's like that guy hasn't taken a break for himself.

00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:21.030
since we started and like he's been on the road

00:48:21.030 --> 00:48:23.909
or in the studio or working every single day

00:48:23.909 --> 00:48:29.349
since he was 19 years old and you know and he's

00:48:29.349 --> 00:48:34.489
26 now and and it's like he's taking a well -deserved

00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:38.630
like time to do some things slowly and i mean

00:48:38.630 --> 00:48:40.710
every time i see him we you know we hang out

00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:43.389
we get lunch we you know we i'll go down you

00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.489
know where he is he comes up where i am we hang

00:48:45.489 --> 00:48:49.320
out like he's just He's as happy as can be. And,

00:48:49.340 --> 00:48:52.440
you know, he and his girl and his dog. And it's

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.000
like the future of that situation. I don't know.

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.199
I don't know if he knows. I don't know if anybody

00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.659
knows. But I know Aaron and he is one of the

00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:06.559
most creative people I've ever known in my entire

00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.159
life. And there will probably be a spark at some

00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.840
time. And, you know, I mean, and he and I have

00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.710
spoken about. many things. So there's no promises.

00:49:18.809 --> 00:49:21.489
I can't say anything. Yes or no. In any direction.

00:49:21.610 --> 00:49:24.969
All I know is that Aaron and I enjoy each other's

00:49:24.969 --> 00:49:27.989
company. And I know that he's in his heart of

00:49:27.989 --> 00:49:31.150
hearts, a creative person. Awesome. Well, with

00:49:31.150 --> 00:49:33.610
that, let's jump into side B cause we have been

00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:36.110
talking a lot now and I'm going to kick off.

00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:39.389
I get the joy of kicking off side B and being

00:49:39.389 --> 00:49:41.590
from New Jersey. I want to show some New Jersey

00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:45.179
love to start off. And I'm going to go to East

00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:48.599
Brunswick, New Jersey. And that's right down

00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.960
the street from me, about 35 minutes down the

00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:55.159
road with a band at the time in 1998 was known

00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.980
as Catch -22, who then became Streetlight Manifesto.

00:49:59.980 --> 00:50:02.619
This song was recorded by both bands, but I'm

00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:05.639
going to go with the original 1998 title track,

00:50:05.860 --> 00:50:10.340
Keys B. Nights, to kick off Side B. Just a fun,

00:50:10.619 --> 00:50:14.920
upbeat. Dark lyrically, but fun sing -along.

00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.079
When you listen to the lyrics, you're like, what

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.340
am I singing? And what am I so upbeat and happy

00:50:19.340 --> 00:50:22.900
about? It's just one of those great, fun, third

00:50:22.900 --> 00:50:25.219
-wave ska songs. And I love the fact, because

00:50:25.219 --> 00:50:28.260
everyone talked about the ska scene being Orange

00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:31.119
County, Orange County. And that was the bulk

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.079
of it. But New Jersey had some say in this matter,

00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.199
and I love the fact. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So

00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.989
represent Catch -22, Keys B. Knights. Nice. Well,

00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:41.909
that actually kind of works with what I was thinking

00:50:41.909 --> 00:50:45.730
next, which was keeping it East Coast, even though

00:50:45.730 --> 00:50:49.070
he now lives on the West Coast, is going with

00:50:49.070 --> 00:50:56.050
the reworking of his album No Dream to Ska Dream,

00:50:56.269 --> 00:51:01.230
the Jeff Rosenstock song Ska Dream from Ska Dream.

00:51:01.329 --> 00:51:06.389
I love Jeff. Jeff is what a prolific. and talented

00:51:06.389 --> 00:51:09.670
songwriter and performer. I've seen Jeff Rosenthal

00:51:09.670 --> 00:51:13.630
play a few times and I saw him play just him

00:51:13.630 --> 00:51:16.530
and an acoustic guitar in front of like 700 people.

00:51:16.769 --> 00:51:20.010
And it was just as good as if when he played

00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:24.090
in front of 700 people with the band. Like he's

00:51:24.090 --> 00:51:27.170
just phenomenal. And I love Jeff's work all over

00:51:27.170 --> 00:51:29.130
the place. He's been, I mean, you know, like

00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:31.530
he's important to the Scott scene from the late

00:51:31.530 --> 00:51:34.199
90s to now too. It's like with, you know. on

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.079
the music industry and Bruce Lee. I mean, you

00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.579
know, it's like he's been doing it. Love the

00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:41.800
fact that you're going with an influential name

00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.539
here because my next pick is going to jump on

00:51:44.539 --> 00:51:47.039
that. And I'm going to follow your influential

00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:51.840
because this is a band that was influential because

00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.820
of where they came from already, which was Op

00:51:54.820 --> 00:51:59.460
Ivy. But then Rancid. I feel like you can't talk

00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:01.880
about punk and ska together without bringing

00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.639
up Rancid. So I'm going to go to 1995, my senior

00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.460
year in high school, and out come the wolves.

00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.119
I'm going with Time Bomb. A song that literally

00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.800
every time I hear it, I am brought right back

00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.280
to senior year in high school. The song has such

00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.079
strong memories for me. It's such a catchy, infectious

00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:24.000
tune. And it's a little different than the third

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.460
wave ska because Rancid kind of went on their

00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:28.960
own path. They were definitely leaning more towards

00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.400
the punk side of things. But when they went ska,

00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.869
they brought that second wave. sound into the

00:52:34.869 --> 00:52:37.190
mix and it worked really, really well. And it

00:52:37.190 --> 00:52:39.829
still does their new albums. Absolutely incredible.

00:52:40.070 --> 00:52:42.269
Tomorrow never comes. If you haven't heard it,

00:52:42.269 --> 00:52:45.469
check it out. But for now, 1995 and outcome,

00:52:45.610 --> 00:52:47.210
the wolves, I'm going to follow it up with time

00:52:47.210 --> 00:52:52.409
bomb. Yeah. Okay. Shoot. That changes what I

00:52:52.409 --> 00:52:55.829
wanted to do. Cause I just got it in my head

00:52:55.829 --> 00:52:57.570
and I was like, Oh yeah. And I was like, Oh,

00:52:57.610 --> 00:53:00.010
I know how, cause now I know how I want to end

00:53:00.010 --> 00:53:05.630
this one. which is going to blow your mind. But,

00:53:05.769 --> 00:53:08.510
you know, I always got I don't know why I can't

00:53:08.510 --> 00:53:11.030
help it. I go I go back to the old souls and

00:53:11.030 --> 00:53:14.590
maybe because we we lost him in the last year

00:53:14.590 --> 00:53:18.389
or so. And he was so he's been such a great for

00:53:18.389 --> 00:53:20.949
me, such an important like member of the Scott

00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:24.510
community. But Funky Kingston by Toots and the

00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:28.289
Maytals. Mm hmm. Like that tune just deck deck

00:53:28.289 --> 00:53:33.380
deck. Just like, you can't help. And then that

00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:39.179
bass line. And then there's like the drum. What

00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:42.440
a darn great song. Unbelievable song. Love it.

00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.840
All right. Well, following that up, I had a band

00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.599
I wanted to include in this list, and I'm going

00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.340
to get to include them now, but I'm actually

00:53:52.340 --> 00:53:55.179
changing the song to fit more of the Funky Kingston

00:53:55.179 --> 00:53:58.460
vibe. So it's the same band, but a different

00:53:58.460 --> 00:54:04.050
song. same album i was gonna go with 2003's anthem

00:54:04.050 --> 00:54:07.809
and i originally had picked less than jake's

00:54:07.809 --> 00:54:10.010
the ghost of me and you which is one of my favorite

00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:13.789
heavier fast cop but coming out of toots that

00:54:13.789 --> 00:54:16.570
doesn't work well so i'm gonna go with the science

00:54:16.570 --> 00:54:20.789
of selling yourself short yeah because that song

00:54:20.789 --> 00:54:24.019
is absolutely fantastic. I have seen real big

00:54:24.019 --> 00:54:26.079
fish and less than Jake on the same bill. So

00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.400
many times in the nineties, I feel like you guys

00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.280
were synonymous with each other touring all the

00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.599
time. It felt like, even though I'm sure there

00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:36.780
were breaks in the, but it always felt like you

00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:40.059
guys were just perfect tour mates, always fun

00:54:40.059 --> 00:54:43.619
shows, always great music and a little bit of

00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:45.860
levity in life, which not a lot of people have.

00:54:46.019 --> 00:54:49.860
So the science of selling yourself short, you

00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:53.159
know, I love those dudes. They're so great. It's

00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.940
so funny because when we started out, there was

00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:59.980
and I don't know how this stuff happens, but

00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:02.820
there was this thing that was like West Coast,

00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:07.159
East Coast. Yes. And like we had heard people

00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:10.719
told us all the Jake doesn't like real big fish.

00:55:10.780 --> 00:55:12.780
And we were like. Well, that's weird because

00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:16.380
we love that band. And then we were like, oh,

00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:19.219
wow, maybe they think we're stupid. I mean, like

00:55:19.219 --> 00:55:21.139
that was kind of our thought process anyway.

00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.059
We just figured everybody thought we were stupid.

00:55:24.340 --> 00:55:26.119
And there were a lot of people that were very

00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.460
vocal about thinking we were stupid. So we were

00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:30.440
like, oh, I bet they're the majority, not the

00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.719
minority there. You know, but then you meet certain

00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.579
people and they're like, I love your band. And

00:55:35.579 --> 00:55:38.420
you're like, oh, wow, that's amazing. Maybe they

00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:40.820
don't mean it. You know, so yeah, less than Jake

00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:43.500
when people like, ah, guys are like, and we're

00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:47.619
like, we are. And then we played some festival

00:55:47.619 --> 00:55:50.920
together for the first time. Like, I think Aaron

00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.059
had gone to see them play, but I know the rest

00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:57.360
of us hadn't seen them. And like, we met the

00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:59.739
guys and we were like, these are great guys.

00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.820
These are great people. Like, and they seem nice.

00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.260
And we, they seem to like us. Like what? And

00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.039
so we, we joked about it. And you were like,

00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.909
oh. Are we supposed to fist fight? I was like,

00:56:10.949 --> 00:56:13.610
so stupid. And I was like, let's go have a beer.

00:56:13.789 --> 00:56:15.849
And like, we watched their show and we're like,

00:56:15.909 --> 00:56:17.530
what a band. And they walked stars and like,

00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:20.210
what a band. And it was like, yeah, kind of like

00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:22.230
this great relationship. I mean, like I was so

00:56:22.230 --> 00:56:25.230
honored to be able to play on one of their records.

00:56:25.349 --> 00:56:27.730
Like the fact that they, yeah, they called me

00:56:27.730 --> 00:56:30.190
up and they were like, come play on, on state

00:56:30.190 --> 00:56:32.730
of Florida. Like it's, I don't know. It just,

00:56:32.809 --> 00:56:34.989
you know, it's not the name of the record or

00:56:34.989 --> 00:56:39.539
is it, it's gonna flop. Yeah, gonna fly, GNA,

00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:41.360
FLA, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, yeah,

00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:43.480
yeah. Because I have it listed as actually both.

00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.179
I think the original demo was called State of

00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:51.039
Florida. Because I had the demos. Oh, okay. And

00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.039
then the unmastered versions that I put into

00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.260
my, like, music library. But, yeah, it was so

00:56:56.260 --> 00:56:58.980
fun. And then to just, like, hear my Warren in

00:56:58.980 --> 00:57:01.559
less than Jake song was just, like, amazing.

00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.059
They're just great. I love them. All right. Well,

00:57:05.099 --> 00:57:07.159
we're back to you to follow up the science of

00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.420
selling yourself short. I want to go with this

00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:13.860
band that I love, Bad Operation, and go with

00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:16.320
the first song on that record, Perilous. Love

00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:19.739
it. Absolutely love it. Bad Operation. They're

00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:22.480
so great. I haven't had a chance to meet those

00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.539
cats yet, but that record's so good. It makes

00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.079
me so happy. I wish I had a great story for those

00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.619
cats. We haven't met yet. Yeah. I mean, I did

00:57:30.619 --> 00:57:34.719
this show in 2019, actually. where goldfinger

00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:36.300
was playing a show and i was still living on

00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:39.340
the east coast and john called me to come and

00:57:39.340 --> 00:57:43.260
play horns for him and it's where i first met

00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:46.460
jer in scott to network and we are the union

00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:50.280
and that connecting like i met reed from we are

00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.519
the union then and i met john graber who works

00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.380
a lot who produced would we are the union and

00:57:56.380 --> 00:57:59.380
works with like no effects and also john feldman

00:57:59.380 --> 00:58:01.420
and all those bands and that's where i really

00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:06.239
got into like i i met Reed there, Catbite was

00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.239
playing that, Kill Lincoln was playing that.

00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.980
I met all of those younger, great, just like

00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:14.559
super fun ska bands. And then, you know, so those

00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.460
bad time record bands that I met, and then it

00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:20.760
opened up to Bad Operation. That's not an interesting

00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.500
story, but that's how I found Bad Operation.

00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:25.380
Awesome. Well, I think I'm going to get an interesting

00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:28.039
story out of my next pick because this is the

00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:29.659
band that I'd like to, I always like to throw

00:58:29.659 --> 00:58:33.460
in. bands that I think are deeper cuts in every

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:36.519
episode, which to you, this won't be a deep cut

00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.460
because it's very familiar to you, but to people

00:58:39.460 --> 00:58:43.340
that are, I don't want to say they're not massive

00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:46.280
into the sky scene, but they know enough. This

00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:48.480
is a song that they may have been introduced

00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:52.960
to by real big fish on 2009 fame, fortune, and

00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.699
fornication. However, I knew the song from a

00:58:55.699 --> 00:59:00.000
decade earlier from their album, 1999's The Elements

00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.099
of Transition. I want to go with Edna's Goldfish,

00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:07.500
Veronica Sawyer. Yeah. Love the song. This was

00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:09.460
one of those songs that I was shocked that this

00:59:09.460 --> 00:59:12.619
band did not get bigger. I was shocked that they

00:59:12.619 --> 00:59:15.360
did not become one of the mainstays because it

00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.599
was such a fantastic album. And then the band

00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.480
kind of broke up after that. I'd love to know.

00:59:21.130 --> 00:59:23.489
What made you guys decide to cover that song

00:59:23.489 --> 00:59:26.389
for the album? Because that's not, again, a household

00:59:26.389 --> 00:59:29.789
song, but it's definitely an amazing and, dare

00:59:29.789 --> 00:59:33.190
I say, underrated ska punk tune. Yeah, I mean,

00:59:33.210 --> 00:59:35.550
I think that was why we decided to cover it.

00:59:35.590 --> 00:59:38.230
It was like, this band was so fun and we played

00:59:38.230 --> 00:59:40.050
so many times with them and they're such great

00:59:40.050 --> 00:59:43.389
people. We just wanted to bring some attention.

00:59:43.570 --> 00:59:45.489
And that was kind of always our way. It was like,

00:59:45.550 --> 00:59:48.809
we want to bring attention to the people who

00:59:48.809 --> 00:59:53.539
keep us excited. and come up after us and during

00:59:53.539 --> 00:59:58.820
us. And it was always about participating in

00:59:58.820 --> 01:00:01.920
the scene. Like it was the scene, you know, and

01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.860
it's like, and the internet was helpful in a

01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:07.119
lot of ways of spreading the scene and connecting

01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:14.400
the scene. And we felt an obligation being somehow

01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:18.699
blessed and picked to be ambassadors to a degree

01:00:18.699 --> 01:00:23.550
of the music. As I said before, that we would

01:00:23.550 --> 01:00:25.949
have done a disservice to ska music and everything

01:00:25.949 --> 01:00:28.869
that had gotten us to where we were if we didn't

01:00:28.869 --> 01:00:34.150
try to shine light in other places. I mean, you

01:00:34.150 --> 01:00:36.090
know, we always tried to take certain ska bands

01:00:36.090 --> 01:00:40.070
with us. And yeah, that's why. I'm like, is there

01:00:40.070 --> 01:00:42.570
more? No, there's not. I'm still trying to find

01:00:42.570 --> 01:00:48.099
the next song. But yeah, it's so... interesting

01:00:48.099 --> 01:00:51.880
to participate in something this beautiful and

01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.059
this storied and rich but it's a responsibility

01:00:55.059 --> 01:00:58.280
or and i don't like the word responsibility is

01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.099
it's a glorious opportunity something that we

01:01:01.099 --> 01:01:06.360
are grateful for 100 like we know it didn't have

01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:10.500
to be us it could have been many other bands

01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:13.940
and we didn't deserve it more than anybody else

01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:17.980
deserved it we were just lucky And so with that

01:01:17.980 --> 01:01:21.440
luck needs to come gratitude. And then with that

01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.820
gratitude needs to come action. Love the mindset,

01:01:24.940 --> 01:01:28.079
man. Absolutely love it. Well, you have two songs

01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.860
left and I've got one. So I'm struggling for

01:01:30.860 --> 01:01:33.159
my track nine, but I got to wait to hear what

01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:35.860
you come up with for track eight, which will

01:01:35.860 --> 01:01:42.599
swing which way I go. I mean, I'm like, do I?

01:01:44.099 --> 01:01:48.750
Huh? ish it's so hard because there's so many

01:01:48.750 --> 01:01:51.170
to pick from and i'm like okay it's like think

01:01:51.170 --> 01:01:54.909
about your friends and then uh you know that's

01:01:54.909 --> 01:01:56.309
the pressure too is it's like i don't want to

01:01:56.309 --> 01:01:58.809
let any of my friends down and it's like but

01:01:58.809 --> 01:02:01.989
i have so many well okay so i would be remiss

01:02:01.989 --> 01:02:06.409
in my duties if i did not pick a we are the union

01:02:06.409 --> 01:02:13.750
song uh let's see i'm trying to think I think,

01:02:13.750 --> 01:02:15.530
yeah, let's do Ordinary Life because I think

01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:17.289
that's the one that I played on. It is the one

01:02:17.289 --> 01:02:20.269
I played on. I don't think I know. So Ordinary

01:02:20.269 --> 01:02:23.769
Life off of Ordinary Life by We Are The Union.

01:02:23.969 --> 01:02:29.309
I love those people. I had Reed play on the remake

01:02:29.309 --> 01:02:32.849
of Average Man. Just great friends, great band.

01:02:33.309 --> 01:02:35.909
You know, I've been in a handful of their videos.

01:02:36.550 --> 01:02:40.030
But yeah, I really love that band. I think Reed

01:02:40.030 --> 01:02:43.550
is a great songwriter. and such a talent. They're

01:02:43.550 --> 01:02:45.869
just great all around people too. All right.

01:02:45.989 --> 01:02:48.349
And they're of that younger guard, but they're

01:02:48.349 --> 01:02:51.090
keeping things moving. Yes, they certainly are.

01:02:51.230 --> 01:02:53.030
And that's now where I struggle because I only

01:02:53.030 --> 01:02:56.769
have one song left, as do you now. My problem

01:02:56.769 --> 01:02:59.889
is there's a lot of bands we haven't touched

01:02:59.889 --> 01:03:03.269
on. And this is the bane of my existence with

01:03:03.269 --> 01:03:06.190
this show because after every episode, I do get

01:03:06.190 --> 01:03:09.889
messages on social media. as well as email saying,

01:03:09.989 --> 01:03:12.190
wait a minute, how did you do an episode and

01:03:12.190 --> 01:03:15.230
not include blank? So here I am, but I've got

01:03:15.230 --> 01:03:17.289
two bands that are floating in my head that I

01:03:17.289 --> 01:03:19.190
feel like if we don't talk about both of them,

01:03:19.269 --> 01:03:23.170
we're going to do a disservice. However, I would

01:03:23.170 --> 01:03:26.690
rather talk about the band that is more connected

01:03:26.690 --> 01:03:30.090
to this discussion in this playlist. And I don't

01:03:30.090 --> 01:03:32.030
feel, and I'll say both names because I don't

01:03:32.030 --> 01:03:33.650
want to insult either one. I actually love both

01:03:33.650 --> 01:03:37.019
bands. No doubt, which was a huge part of the

01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:39.860
ska punk scene. There's no denying it. They were

01:03:39.860 --> 01:03:42.639
kind of the torchbearers. And then bringing the

01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.360
female perspective into it, it just opened the

01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.820
doors for other female artists in the ska scene,

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.400
which I loved. Then you had groups like, say,

01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.719
Ferris, which were amazing. They're still out

01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.480
doing their thing. But I'm going to go back to

01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:57.500
the beginning because you mentioned this person

01:03:57.500 --> 01:03:59.420
all the way at the beginning of our conversation.

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.199
Oh, my gosh. I cannot believe I just forgot.

01:04:03.210 --> 01:04:07.670
Oh my God. Now I feel terrible. You brought up

01:04:07.670 --> 01:04:11.389
MC back commander. So I got to go with the Aquabats

01:04:11.389 --> 01:04:14.130
super rad. It's tough because I want to include

01:04:14.130 --> 01:04:16.730
no doubt. I feel like I'm doing, I want to include

01:04:16.730 --> 01:04:20.809
say Ferris, but I'd love to hear some stories

01:04:20.809 --> 01:04:22.769
about real big fish in the Aquabats. Cause that's

01:04:22.769 --> 01:04:25.750
another pairing I've seen multiple times on tour.

01:04:26.510 --> 01:04:31.309
Yeah. I mean, Christian from the Aquabat is he's

01:04:31.309 --> 01:04:33.719
like a big brother to me. Because his youngest

01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:37.980
brother was my best friend for many years. And

01:04:37.980 --> 01:04:40.619
still like one of my good friends today. And

01:04:40.619 --> 01:04:44.059
so I learned a lot from Christian. I mean, I

01:04:44.059 --> 01:04:48.380
remember seeing the Aquabats when they were like,

01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.860
it was kind of two different bands. And it was

01:04:50.860 --> 01:04:54.500
a show in someone's house, this girl named Michaela.

01:04:54.820 --> 01:04:59.239
And they played in the like Solarium. It was

01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.159
just like a weird show. And it was just like

01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:03.059
a bunch of kids sitting on the floor in this

01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:06.579
house. And they made T -shirts, these really

01:05:06.579 --> 01:05:09.019
weird T -shirts. I still have it to this day.

01:05:09.139 --> 01:05:13.960
I mean, I was 13, maybe. And it says Space Monster

01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:17.539
M with Fresh Curd. And those were the two bands,

01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.539
Space Monster M and Fresh Curd. And actually,

01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.019
if you watch the Aquabats Super Show at the end

01:05:25.019 --> 01:05:28.449
of the first season. the big bad guy is space

01:05:28.449 --> 01:05:31.889
monster m huh yeah and so like they've always

01:05:31.889 --> 01:05:36.250
been like the greatest funnest band of all i

01:05:36.250 --> 01:05:38.469
mean they're amazing and like again like how

01:05:38.469 --> 01:05:41.329
could i have not talked about the aquabats and

01:05:41.329 --> 01:05:43.570
of course it comes down to the end and all the

01:05:43.570 --> 01:05:45.530
bands start flooding into my head i'm like oy

01:05:45.530 --> 01:05:51.010
vey uh but yeah i mean and and to be it really

01:05:51.010 --> 01:05:55.010
meant a lot to me actually that My last tour

01:05:55.010 --> 01:05:58.570
with Real Big Fish was in Australia with the

01:05:58.570 --> 01:06:01.989
Aquabats. Awesome. Yeah. And so they were there

01:06:01.989 --> 01:06:04.389
and it was like kind of telling because we all

01:06:04.389 --> 01:06:07.730
kind of started together and like and they were

01:06:07.730 --> 01:06:10.769
there for me. And it was like, I love all those

01:06:10.769 --> 01:06:13.630
cats. Truth be told, like I want to try to get,

01:06:13.710 --> 01:06:16.110
you know, like Eagle Bones Falcon Hawk to play

01:06:16.110 --> 01:06:18.690
on something soon for some of the new stuff.

01:06:19.179 --> 01:06:21.420
But, you know, maybe you get Ricky Fitness. And

01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:24.059
I just I like bringing my friends into the littlest

01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:26.179
man band. I mean, the littlest man band can be

01:06:26.179 --> 01:06:28.699
whatever I want it to be, for God's sake. And

01:06:28.699 --> 01:06:30.659
I don't have a permanent band right now. I have

01:06:30.659 --> 01:06:33.119
like four people that are always generally around.

01:06:33.300 --> 01:06:36.179
But yeah, what a band. What a creative fun. I

01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:39.219
mean, like and they're always so surprising when

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:41.800
they put out high five suit. Yep. I remember

01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.519
we were in Australia and Christian was like,

01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.780
hey, can you listen to this? I want to know what

01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:50.260
you think. And so we were backstage somewhere

01:06:50.260 --> 01:06:52.380
in Australia. We were just sitting there doing

01:06:52.380 --> 01:06:55.639
nothing. And I listened to the whole album and

01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.039
I said, I think this is some of your best work

01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.420
to date. Like your voice sounds amazing. Like

01:07:02.420 --> 01:07:05.400
it's like this stuff sound is so good. And I

01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.400
feel like I do that every time they put out a

01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.079
record. I feel like I'm like, this is your best

01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.340
work to date. So I love that band. And there

01:07:12.340 --> 01:07:16.139
are two sides to a ska scene. And we some of

01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:18.119
it and we got it. We kind of got shit for this

01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:20.239
every now and then about not talking politics

01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:24.000
and social justice. But there were bands doing

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.639
that. And it wasn't what came naturally to us

01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.119
until later in life. You know, I mean, and so

01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.199
we were more of this like the party, which is

01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:36.500
OK. We needed both. And so the Aquabats are very

01:07:36.500 --> 01:07:39.300
much that like. But they're like. There's a certain

01:07:39.300 --> 01:07:42.460
amount of self -reflection and awareness and

01:07:42.460 --> 01:07:45.960
light -hearted self -deprecation that comes in.

01:07:45.980 --> 01:07:47.420
It's like we all need to take things seriously,

01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:49.519
and sometimes we just got to laugh at stuff.

01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.739
Because if we take it too serious, it'll put

01:07:51.739 --> 01:07:54.960
us in the ground. 100%. My 14 -year -old's favorite

01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.800
Real Big Fish song, which I probably played slightly

01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.539
earlier than I should have for her, is another

01:08:01.539 --> 01:08:05.119
F .U. song. Sure. Because, again, she just heard

01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:06.739
it for the first time and started snickering.

01:08:07.309 --> 01:08:09.309
And as soon as it was over, she goes, can you

01:08:09.309 --> 01:08:11.389
play that one again? And that's her favorite

01:08:11.389 --> 01:08:14.150
to this day. And now that she's older, I'm like,

01:08:14.269 --> 01:08:15.989
yeah, that's fine. Whatever. You know, it's cool.

01:08:16.130 --> 01:08:18.510
But when she first heard it, it didn't dawn on

01:08:18.510 --> 01:08:20.069
me until halfway through the song that she was

01:08:20.069 --> 01:08:22.369
in the car. And I'm like, I ripped that bandaid

01:08:22.369 --> 01:08:24.810
off. So I do want to point out, though, one of

01:08:24.810 --> 01:08:28.489
my close friends, Drew, who is my ska punk friend.

01:08:28.569 --> 01:08:31.270
We were in a punk band together in the 2000s.

01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:33.819
we are always texting each other when we hear

01:08:33.819 --> 01:08:36.079
a new ska song or a new punk song that we think

01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.060
the other person would like. And he texted me

01:08:38.060 --> 01:08:40.239
this past weekend and he said, how many people

01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.279
do you think realize that Travis Barker played

01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:45.880
in the Aquabats? Oh, yeah. It's amazing how many

01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.159
people don't know that little tidbit. Yeah. The

01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:52.760
Aquabats were very influential. They did so much

01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.520
for the scene and so much for the industry. And

01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.279
I love the fact that it, because their music

01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:02.810
is family friendly, to a certain extent, you

01:09:02.810 --> 01:09:04.689
know, with the show and everything else, there's

01:09:04.689 --> 01:09:08.069
an element to that that is introducing younger

01:09:08.069 --> 01:09:10.909
audiences to this amazing music. So I feel like

01:09:10.909 --> 01:09:14.149
it's, dare I use the word gateway drug, musically

01:09:14.149 --> 01:09:16.890
speaking, of course, for younger people to kind

01:09:16.890 --> 01:09:18.670
of get into the scene. And I think it's fantastic.

01:09:18.989 --> 01:09:21.470
That's why I ended up going with the Aquabats

01:09:21.470 --> 01:09:25.569
for my close of the evening. But now, Scott,

01:09:25.729 --> 01:09:30.310
you get the tough. daunting decision of closing

01:09:30.310 --> 01:09:35.409
out the entire night here. Okay. I had two perfect

01:09:35.409 --> 01:09:38.609
ending that I was torn between, but I wasn't

01:09:38.609 --> 01:09:40.930
going to sweat it because either one. And then

01:09:40.930 --> 01:09:45.770
I like realized everyone that I completely forgot

01:09:45.770 --> 01:09:49.369
to put on this list. I mean, it's like, I worried

01:09:49.369 --> 01:09:51.090
at the beginning of the thing that I was like,

01:09:51.170 --> 01:09:53.270
I'm not going to know. I'm not going to remember

01:09:53.270 --> 01:09:55.449
everything. I mean, of course it's like when

01:09:55.449 --> 01:09:58.569
I have one left, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, because

01:09:58.569 --> 01:10:00.250
I want to show, you know, I want to show I'm

01:10:00.250 --> 01:10:02.810
eclectic, but I also have friends that are just

01:10:02.810 --> 01:10:06.569
a great band. So, OK, I'm going to say what I

01:10:06.569 --> 01:10:08.489
was going to do. They're not on the list, but

01:10:08.489 --> 01:10:11.289
check them out anyway. The first thing I was

01:10:11.289 --> 01:10:17.770
going to do is there is a version of Stairway

01:10:17.770 --> 01:10:21.930
to Heaven. OK, and you're like, what? By Frank

01:10:21.930 --> 01:10:27.279
Zappa. That is a ska and reggae version. of Stairway

01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:30.340
to Heaven. It is amazing. That's not the one

01:10:30.340 --> 01:10:34.880
I want to do. I just wanted to say it. Then I

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.180
was like, you know what? We'll finish it up with

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:39.560
one of my all -time favorite reggae artists.

01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:42.319
It's a good feeling one. This is not the one

01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:43.680
I want to do either, but I'm going to say it

01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:47.560
anyway. It's Till I'm Laid to Rest by Buju Bantam.

01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.800
You can't not feel good, but that's not what

01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.090
I'm going to do. What I am going to do. is go

01:10:55.090 --> 01:10:58.010
to my dear friends. They've been friends of mine

01:10:58.010 --> 01:11:00.630
forever. I played in a band called the Knuckle

01:11:00.630 --> 01:11:03.529
Brothers with their trombone player, toured and

01:11:03.529 --> 01:11:05.970
played a bunch of shows with a band called My

01:11:05.970 --> 01:11:09.310
Superhero that their keyboard player is from,

01:11:09.590 --> 01:11:13.069
the guitar player is from Save Ferris, who are

01:11:13.069 --> 01:11:16.529
dear friends as well. And it's also led by a

01:11:16.529 --> 01:11:20.250
female singer who actually was on one of my favorite

01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:23.149
shows of all time, Parks and Rec. So I got to

01:11:23.149 --> 01:11:26.930
go with Bite Me Bambi, Let Me Love You. I feel

01:11:26.930 --> 01:11:30.149
like I would be a bad friend if I didn't because

01:11:30.149 --> 01:11:33.390
I don't know Buju and I'm a huge Frank Zappa

01:11:33.390 --> 01:11:36.710
fan. But explore Frank Zappa. He uses a lot of

01:11:36.710 --> 01:11:39.310
ska and reggae all over the place. Oh, God. All

01:11:39.310 --> 01:11:41.449
over the place. One of the things that I love

01:11:41.449 --> 01:11:43.949
about ska and reggae music is finding where its

01:11:43.949 --> 01:11:46.869
influences are that you wouldn't expect. I mean,

01:11:46.890 --> 01:11:49.510
we didn't talk about the police. We didn't. You

01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:51.229
know, there's a bunch of bands that we did not

01:11:51.229 --> 01:11:54.800
talk about. But Bite Me Bambi, I love this band

01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:57.539
and I love they're such dear friends of mine.

01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.319
I mean, we did so many bands we didn't talk about.

01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.479
Oh, my God. We didn't talk to so many people

01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:05.859
we didn't talk about. I'm telling you, Scott,

01:12:05.979 --> 01:12:09.720
there's a reason why there's volume two for mixtapes.

01:12:10.100 --> 01:12:12.199
So we might have to consider having you back

01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:14.880
to do a volume two. I would love to do it. I

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.399
would love to do it. Oh, my gosh. I would. Oh,

01:12:17.500 --> 01:12:20.250
man. Yeah. I'd be down to do, yeah. Unfortunately,

01:12:20.350 --> 01:12:22.470
I'm unreliable or else I would do this podcast.

01:12:23.489 --> 01:12:27.909
We need no other guests ever again. But yeah.

01:12:28.189 --> 01:12:30.489
So, but Bite Me Bambi, I mean, like there are

01:12:30.489 --> 01:12:33.010
veterans in that band. They care about it. They're

01:12:33.010 --> 01:12:36.869
great. My sax player, Edgar Guadiana, who is

01:12:36.869 --> 01:12:40.109
also in the band. I still say he's my sax player,

01:12:40.250 --> 01:12:42.590
even though he probably belongs to Twink Temple

01:12:42.590 --> 01:12:44.909
and the Littlest Man Band and Bite Me Bambi are

01:12:44.909 --> 01:12:47.829
just borrowing him. Yeah. Anyway, so that's that's

01:12:47.829 --> 01:12:50.149
what I got to go. And correct me if I'm wrong,

01:12:50.270 --> 01:12:52.829
but are there members of Suburban Legends that

01:12:52.829 --> 01:12:55.189
also weave in and out of the Littlest Man band

01:12:55.189 --> 01:13:00.050
as well? Yeah. So Vince Walker and Chris Luca

01:13:00.050 --> 01:13:04.050
are both from Suburban Legend. And so, yes. Well,

01:13:04.130 --> 01:13:07.180
before I. Continue with a couple of more questions.

01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:10.859
I do want to say that mixtapers, that does conclude

01:13:10.859 --> 01:13:13.920
side B of our ska punk mixtape, which kicked

01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:18.060
off with Catch -22's Keys B. Nights, Jeff Rosenstock's

01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:21.760
Ska Dream, Rancid's Time Bomb, Toots and the

01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.880
Mytals' Funky Kingston, Less Than Jake's The

01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:27.859
Science of Selling Yourself Short, Bad Operations

01:13:27.859 --> 01:13:32.079
Perilous, Edna's Goldfish, Veronica Sawyer, We

01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.300
Are the Union's Ordinary Life, The Aquabats,

01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:38.779
Super Rad, and Bite Me Bambi, Let Me Love You.

01:13:38.979 --> 01:13:41.840
Head over to myweeklymixtape .com to hear all

01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.840
the songs we've discussed tonight in this mix

01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.199
through the playlist embedded on the episode

01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.560
page. Now, Scott, I know you alluded to this

01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.180
earlier when we were talking, but what do you

01:13:52.180 --> 01:13:54.039
have in store moving forward for the rest of

01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.420
the year with the Littlest Man Band as well as

01:13:56.420 --> 01:13:59.979
in your music and professional life? So Littlest

01:13:59.979 --> 01:14:02.000
Man Band has two shows coming up. One, we're

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.760
doing the Summer Sizzler in Southern California

01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:07.479
at the Garden Amphitheater in Garden Grove, California

01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.380
with Bite Me Bambi, the third annual. It's a

01:14:10.380 --> 01:14:13.140
big get to do. It's a lot of fun. We're very

01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.819
excited. This is our second time being back.

01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.539
And then we also have a show in Modesto, California

01:14:19.539 --> 01:14:22.060
called the Maximum Ska and P -Fest, which is

01:14:22.060 --> 01:14:24.819
a big festival. And it's going to be bands like

01:14:24.819 --> 01:14:27.699
Littlest Man Band. Loser actually is going to

01:14:27.699 --> 01:14:30.079
be there. Some other great ska bands like The

01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:35.079
Odd Advantage, Monkey, The Bracers, Hella. Not

01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:38.399
Hella. It's a very different band. The Hellas.

01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:43.380
I like Hella too, but 1335, Always Bet on Red.

01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:47.479
Just a slew of bands. So that's going on. I stream

01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:51.199
on Twitch actually every Tuesday and Friday at

01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:54.220
9 p .m. Pacific Standard Time and then Wednesdays

01:14:54.220 --> 01:14:57.159
and Thursdays at 9 a .m. Pacific Standard Time.

01:14:57.550 --> 01:14:59.590
And go for about two hours, two and a half hours,

01:14:59.609 --> 01:15:01.869
sometimes three. And then, yeah, we're just releasing

01:15:01.869 --> 01:15:04.590
more music. And I've been doing this creative

01:15:04.590 --> 01:15:07.550
consulting where, yeah, I help people with their

01:15:07.550 --> 01:15:09.850
creative lives or their artistic individuation

01:15:09.850 --> 01:15:11.710
and stuff like that. You know, I mean, I've had

01:15:11.710 --> 01:15:14.590
some incredible mentors. And so the opportunity

01:15:14.590 --> 01:15:17.390
to turn around and be someone's mentor is really

01:15:17.390 --> 01:15:19.630
fulfilling. And I've had some really great success

01:15:19.630 --> 01:15:21.989
with people that are like their lives are transformed.

01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:24.779
which is weird. I just expected to help people

01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:26.960
with creativity. And like, I just got a message

01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.239
today that we're like, people are starting to

01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:32.060
understand their own lives and their partners

01:15:32.060 --> 01:15:34.100
and their relationships and all sorts of stuff.

01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.800
The decision to dive into creativity is we get

01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:38.739
into our subconscious, start to see ourselves

01:15:38.739 --> 01:15:40.979
differently and we're gentler with ourselves

01:15:40.979 --> 01:15:42.979
and we start to understand ourselves and then

01:15:42.979 --> 01:15:45.960
others a little easier. So it's really more about

01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:48.880
learning to like embrace humanity through creative

01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:52.630
forms than to like try to psychoanalyze. ourselves

01:15:52.630 --> 01:15:56.609
and diagnose something that's just part of the

01:15:56.609 --> 01:15:59.909
human condition. Well, I love it. And I just

01:15:59.909 --> 01:16:02.850
want to thank you so, so much for coming on the

01:16:02.850 --> 01:16:05.010
show. I've been such a huge fan of your music

01:16:05.010 --> 01:16:07.670
for so many decades. It's been an absolute honor

01:16:07.670 --> 01:16:11.170
talking music with you tonight. I thank you for

01:16:11.170 --> 01:16:14.270
all the wonderful concerts I've seen over the

01:16:14.270 --> 01:16:16.949
years and all the great music that's a soundtrack

01:16:16.949 --> 01:16:19.930
to my life. And most importantly, thank you so

01:16:19.930 --> 01:16:22.720
much. for joining me on My Weekly Mixtape tonight,

01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:24.899
man. Yeah, thank you so much. This has been an

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