WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.960 Hey everybody, this is Brian Scott from Union 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:05.179 Underground. You are listening to My Weekly Mixtape 00:00:05.179 --> 00:00:20.760 with Brian Colburn. Let's get it on. Welcome 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:23.440 to My Weekly Mixtape, a podcast that takes the 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.660 classic mixtape approach to building a modern 00:00:26.660 --> 00:00:29.219 playlist i'm your host brian colburn tonight 00:00:29.219 --> 00:00:32.320 i'm thankful to be joined by brian scott lead 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:34.979 vocalist for union underground brian thank you 00:00:34.979 --> 00:00:37.100 so much for joining me on my weekly mixtape man 00:00:37.100 --> 00:00:40.619 brian great to be with you man thank you well 00:00:40.619 --> 00:00:43.640 i'd like to start by asking you the same question 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:46.359 i ask all of my first time guests and that is 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:52.840 what does the word mixtape mean to you uh i actually 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.399 you know okay so the word mixtape i actually 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:00.259 have a very painful childhood experience oh no 00:01:00.259 --> 00:01:05.219 with the word mixtape so this is probably uh 00:01:05.219 --> 00:01:10.180 seventh grade okay i remember on fridays you 00:01:10.180 --> 00:01:13.519 could always send flowers or some kind of card 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:15.599 or something to like someone you're interested 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.180 in right you know like kind of a secret admirer 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:22.560 friday thing right so i remember being interested 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:24.560 in this one girl, of course, that did not notice 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.920 me as the world works, right? And the entire 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.760 week prior to Friday, I put this mixtape together. 00:01:32.019 --> 00:01:35.500 And back then, of course, you had the old jam 00:01:35.500 --> 00:01:38.299 box with the two cassette recorders, right? Yes, 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.400 sir. And so you would just record one song to 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.560 the next thing and then put in another tape, 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:45.659 record it, blah, blah, blah. It took all week 00:01:45.659 --> 00:01:48.519 to put it together. I gave it to her on Friday, 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:54.560 zero response. So that's my experience with mixtape, 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:57.040 right? That was my first experience with like 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.640 putting a mixtape together. And it was not good, 00:02:00.780 --> 00:02:05.040 Brian. It pains me to this day to think about 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.430 it. So thanks for bringing it up. Oh, my God. 00:02:07.489 --> 00:02:09.889 It took 50 -something episodes and finally a 00:02:09.889 --> 00:02:12.750 negative story with mixtapes. I am so sorry. 00:02:12.849 --> 00:02:16.409 But look, we have all been there, man. I know 00:02:16.409 --> 00:02:18.770 I have made mixtapes for people that have fallen 00:02:18.770 --> 00:02:22.449 on deaf ears. So I am with you on that 100%, 00:02:22.449 --> 00:02:26.930 man. Childhood pain. I put my heart and soul 00:02:26.930 --> 00:02:31.849 into that mixtape. And yeah, zero. Well, you 00:02:31.849 --> 00:02:35.069 were able to channel that frustration into some 00:02:35.069 --> 00:02:38.310 amazing music. So let's get into that, shall 00:02:38.310 --> 00:02:43.009 we? That's probably where it started. Well, I 00:02:43.009 --> 00:02:44.949 want to go all the way back to the beginning, 00:02:45.030 --> 00:02:47.530 and I'm not talking about an education rebellion 00:02:47.530 --> 00:02:50.710 because we're going to get to that. But I'm talking 00:02:50.710 --> 00:02:54.349 about the self -produced. Union Underground album, 00:02:54.629 --> 00:02:57.870 which contained the first mixes of a lot of songs 00:02:57.870 --> 00:03:01.430 that you eventually hear on Rebellion. You were 00:03:01.430 --> 00:03:04.129 a producer at this point working with a lot of 00:03:04.129 --> 00:03:07.449 bands from in and around the Texas area. Did 00:03:07.449 --> 00:03:11.050 working with various artists and different bands 00:03:11.050 --> 00:03:13.949 who all had their own different sounds help you 00:03:13.949 --> 00:03:17.030 decide on the direction that Union Underground 00:03:17.030 --> 00:03:19.669 was going to go when you were first writing these 00:03:19.669 --> 00:03:24.539 tunes? Yeah, for sure. I mean, anyone you work 00:03:24.539 --> 00:03:27.280 with or produce with or write with always has, 00:03:27.460 --> 00:03:29.840 even if it's a project that's not even in the 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:34.759 genre at all, can influence your own work, of 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.819 course. So yeah, there were always moments working 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:41.360 with other artists where I thought, man, that 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.740 idea that I just gave this guy would be fantastic 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:45.879 for this blah, blah, blah song I'm working on 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:47.759 with Union. So yeah, it happens all the time, 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:51.060 for sure. Now, before the band was signed to 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:54.300 Columbia Records Imprint Portrait Records, you 00:03:54.300 --> 00:03:56.740 guys achieved some great success on your own, 00:03:56.780 --> 00:03:59.719 which speaks volumes to the music itself. How 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.259 did the showcasing and label conversations unfold 00:04:03.259 --> 00:04:06.659 before you finally inked that deal with Portrait? 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.620 Well, you know, it was a long process. Sometimes 00:04:09.620 --> 00:04:12.120 to the outside, it seems like, wow, you know, 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.500 this happened really fast for this band. It really 00:04:14.500 --> 00:04:17.519 takes... a lot longer than it seems i mean we 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.879 did so many showcases so many meetings flying 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.420 back and forth to like you know do uh showcases 00:04:25.420 --> 00:04:29.300 in california we did several showcases in texas 00:04:29.300 --> 00:04:31.980 you know before it ever gets to a level that 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:34.959 they're even considering it so it just i think 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:39.100 we broke them down they finally just like oh 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:42.279 yeah we can't get rid of these guys so you know 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.589 let's do this Well, let's move on to the album 00:04:45.589 --> 00:04:48.209 you're celebrating this year as part of the Back 00:04:48.209 --> 00:04:52.810 to the 2000s tour with Soil, Raw and Flaw and 00:04:52.810 --> 00:04:56.889 Education in Rebellion, which contained remixes 00:04:56.889 --> 00:04:59.949 of a bulk of the songs that you released on the 00:04:59.949 --> 00:05:02.410 self -titled indie album, The Union Underground, 00:05:02.750 --> 00:05:05.269 along with some new material that would go on 00:05:05.269 --> 00:05:08.170 to become, as far as I'm concerned, new metal 00:05:08.170 --> 00:05:11.490 classics in the form of South Texas Death Ride, 00:05:11.709 --> 00:05:16.170 Revolution Man. me on mr dead man the album is 00:05:16.170 --> 00:05:18.990 approaching the quarter century mark this year 00:05:18.990 --> 00:05:22.209 and if you consider the original 97 album that 00:05:22.209 --> 00:05:24.970 the songs came from it's past that benchmark 00:05:24.970 --> 00:05:29.529 already yet these songs still sound modern and 00:05:29.529 --> 00:05:32.829 fresh in today's hard rock and metal climate 00:05:32.829 --> 00:05:36.850 what was the secret to rebellion's longevity 00:05:36.850 --> 00:05:41.750 well thank you for that first of all and uh I 00:05:41.750 --> 00:05:43.949 mean, there's never a formula. I think sometimes 00:05:43.949 --> 00:05:47.350 just things align properly at the right time. 00:05:47.470 --> 00:05:51.250 You know, some of the songs from the self -release 00:05:51.250 --> 00:05:54.850 one did end up on Rebellion. But then, you know, 00:05:54.870 --> 00:05:58.350 songs like South Texas Death Ride, Dead Man, 00:05:58.629 --> 00:06:02.750 actually, and Revolution Man were some of the 00:06:02.750 --> 00:06:05.009 really kind of, I would call, thrown together 00:06:05.009 --> 00:06:08.290 almost at the end before the release date was 00:06:08.290 --> 00:06:12.120 approaching. Sometimes just the ones that you 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.800 don't focus on too much end up being the best 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.920 ones. I think there were a couple of songs on 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.279 that self -released record that I wish would 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.220 have been on Rebellion, but we have to pick and 00:06:26.220 --> 00:06:30.439 choose. I'm extremely happy with the record and 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.579 I think it's fantastic. I'll put it on now myself, 00:06:35.779 --> 00:06:39.319 which most people don't do. And I just think 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.160 it's great. I love that record. I'm a big fan 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.379 of it myself. Same here. And I want to touch 00:06:45.379 --> 00:06:47.920 on something you had talked about because there 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.500 were actually, I want to say, five songs that 00:06:51.500 --> 00:06:54.439 didn't make the jump. That would be Breathe, 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.519 Without, Bleeding Mary, Wrong Again, and Apathetic 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:04.110 Me. Was that based on your or the band's input 00:07:04.110 --> 00:07:07.069 or was Portrait involved in deciding what songs 00:07:07.069 --> 00:07:12.610 made the jump to the major label album? You know, 00:07:12.670 --> 00:07:15.709 they had an input, but it was ultimately our 00:07:15.709 --> 00:07:18.970 decision. And me being a producer on the record 00:07:18.970 --> 00:07:22.230 gives that a lot of weight to where you can kind 00:07:22.230 --> 00:07:26.430 of make those decisions. But I think there were 00:07:26.430 --> 00:07:28.290 a lot of songs we liked from the self -released 00:07:28.290 --> 00:07:31.839 record. that we just didn't feel fit the tone 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:34.860 especially once we started putting them in order 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:37.500 like just mocking up the order of the record 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:40.100 which is you know no longer important these days 00:07:40.100 --> 00:07:42.959 of course right but we wanted the record when 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.480 you put it on to have a certain flow and we just 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.069 thought those were the 10 songs that did it Well, 00:07:49.089 --> 00:07:52.110 here's where my music nerd curiosity comes into 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:54.490 play, just from somebody who reads the liner 00:07:54.490 --> 00:07:57.930 notes and studies the album art as I listen for 00:07:57.930 --> 00:08:01.189 many, many decades. I'm the same way. Yeah. On 00:08:01.189 --> 00:08:04.449 the original Union Underground CD, track three 00:08:04.449 --> 00:08:08.170 was called Supersonic, which anyone who owns 00:08:08.170 --> 00:08:11.589 Rebellion would know the song as Trip With Jesus. 00:08:11.750 --> 00:08:14.009 I've always been curious if there was a reason 00:08:14.009 --> 00:08:18.199 behind renaming the song. Well, I really, I don't 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.639 remember having like any intention behind that. 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.100 I just thought, uh, why not just call it what 00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:28.339 the lyric says. Right. So, and maybe at the time 00:08:28.339 --> 00:08:30.899 I thought supersonic was just a little pretentious. 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.000 I don't know. Or just, you know, triple Jesus 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:39.679 obviously refers to the lyric. So it was an easy 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.820 choice, but that's a good catch. No one, very 00:08:42.820 --> 00:08:45.870 few people have ever brought that up to me. Because 00:08:45.870 --> 00:08:49.129 obviously there's not a lot of people that have 00:08:49.129 --> 00:08:53.490 heard the self -released record, except the devoted 00:08:53.490 --> 00:08:57.490 music nerds. And college radio at the time. And 00:08:57.490 --> 00:09:00.950 it was definitely something I saw at 90 .3 WMSC 00:09:00.950 --> 00:09:04.019 when I was at Montclair State. University Radio. 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.840 Now, for those of us who weren't in radio or 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.759 the San Antonio, Texas area and weren't lucky 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.779 enough to score that original self -titled CD, 00:09:15.019 --> 00:09:17.679 is there any chance that the songs that didn't 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.779 make the jump could be maybe re -released down 00:09:20.779 --> 00:09:23.000 the road at any point, maybe a deluxe edition 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.840 or just something so that people can kind of 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.700 experience these songs that happened prior to 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:31.889 Rebellion? I've always considered that. Breathe 00:09:31.889 --> 00:09:35.070 in particular is a song that I've always wanted 00:09:35.070 --> 00:09:39.250 to see come to light, you know, in the proper 00:09:39.250 --> 00:09:43.190 version, right? There's an acoustic version that 00:09:43.190 --> 00:09:46.289 no one's heard that is fantastic that, you know, 00:09:46.289 --> 00:09:49.289 that song, you know, if you're familiar with 00:09:49.289 --> 00:09:51.809 it, if you think about it, it lends itself to 00:09:51.809 --> 00:09:54.850 that. And there's a really cool version that 00:09:54.850 --> 00:09:58.490 I have had recorded for years that probably will 00:09:58.490 --> 00:10:01.440 make it to a release at some point. And maybe 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.240 even the original version. It's hard to, when 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:09.419 a track has been around for that long, to not 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:12.919 want to reinvent it, you know, reimagine it. 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.679 But sometimes things just shouldn't be toyed 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.080 with. And I think the original version of that 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.899 song is great. That was another one, too, that 00:10:20.899 --> 00:10:23.879 we thought, you know, I love the kind of Alice 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:26.960 in Chains, Stone Garden -y thing it had going 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.179 on. And it just didn't gel with Rebellion. we 00:10:31.179 --> 00:10:34.980 thought. So I would love to see that song rear 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:37.860 Ted at some point. Well, back to some rebellion 00:10:37.860 --> 00:10:40.419 talk here. We talked about these songs earlier, 00:10:40.659 --> 00:10:43.539 revolution, man, and turn me on Mr. Dead man. 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:47.320 I'm going to go into some radio ease here, but 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:49.840 if you're a fan of the Beatles, you probably 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.799 know the story about playing revolution nine 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.679 backwards and hearing turn me on dead man. And 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.200 I remember this being a hot. topic debate between 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.659 myself and a few fellow radio colleagues when 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:06.100 this album first dropped, I've always wondered, 00:11:06.179 --> 00:11:10.539 is there any merit to the songs being almost 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:14.820 a hat tip to the fab four? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.399 Always been a huge Beatles fan, which again in 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.019 revolution, man, there's clearly Beatles references, 00:11:22.179 --> 00:11:25.620 John Lennon references. So I was a bit obsessed 00:11:25.620 --> 00:11:29.019 with it at the time. And, uh, I just love the 00:11:29.019 --> 00:11:32.620 story of that. So I was intrigued by it and I 00:11:32.620 --> 00:11:36.500 loved the title. And of course, I just added 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:39.279 Mr. to it. I mean, that was the only embellishment 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.159 I made to the idea as far as the title. Right. 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:47.340 But it's absolutely a hat tip for sure. Well, 00:11:47.379 --> 00:11:50.580 on your first tour for an education in rebellion, 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.460 the lineup featured opening act Lincoln Park 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:58.350 on their first ever. And you would later tour 00:11:58.350 --> 00:12:01.450 with them again during the Ozzfest 2001 lineup. 00:12:01.909 --> 00:12:04.990 With the world sadly losing Chester, I would 00:12:04.990 --> 00:12:07.370 love to hear what your experiences were with 00:12:07.370 --> 00:12:10.049 him as well as the rest of the band during a 00:12:10.049 --> 00:12:13.769 time when both bands were making their respective 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:18.750 debuts on the nu metal scene at the time. Yeah, 00:12:18.809 --> 00:12:22.149 that was, you know, we lost a great one with 00:12:22.149 --> 00:12:25.899 Chester as, you know, as everyone feels. And, 00:12:25.899 --> 00:12:29.679 uh, what's funny is to hear you say opening bands, 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.080 Lincoln park, because when was the last time 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.919 you heard that? I mean, you know, very shortly 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:39.879 after that run, they never opened for anyone 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.240 ever again. And rightfully so. Right. It was 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.519 a fantastic first record and we talked about 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.879 it a lot on the road and they were playing versions 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:53.659 of those songs that were very different than 00:12:53.659 --> 00:12:55.710 what ended up being on the record. But it still 00:12:55.710 --> 00:12:58.230 had the main portions, the main hooks of the 00:12:58.230 --> 00:13:01.149 songs, the choruses. But it was cool to watch 00:13:01.149 --> 00:13:03.870 that develop with them once the record actually 00:13:03.870 --> 00:13:07.149 came out. And Chester and I specifically talked 00:13:07.149 --> 00:13:10.070 about that a lot, like the changing versions 00:13:10.070 --> 00:13:12.669 of it and how he kind of wanted it to be a little 00:13:12.669 --> 00:13:16.470 more raw. And he thought the studio was maybe 00:13:16.470 --> 00:13:19.409 messing with the process a bit much. But I mean, 00:13:19.450 --> 00:13:23.649 he's kind of an old school rock guy, which made 00:13:23.649 --> 00:13:28.639 their... combination fantastic between him and 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.840 Mike. Those guys on the road, I would always 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.200 hear them from the dressing room when they were 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.320 opening for us, which is just even funny to see. 00:13:37.779 --> 00:13:40.000 But I would hear them from the dressing room 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.759 even way before the songs were really honed. 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:45.639 They were playing pretty primitive versions of 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.559 some of those songs and you could just feel it. 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:51.860 I knew it. Sometimes you just feel that. You 00:13:51.860 --> 00:13:55.539 don't have to... Try and find it. You just hear 00:13:55.539 --> 00:13:57.840 it and you know it. I'm like, man, this band's 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.360 going to be huge. And then once Chester played 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.220 me a demo version of In the End, I'm like, man, 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.360 it's over. You guys are going to be so huge within 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:12.720 12 months. Yeah. Kudos to those guys. And I miss 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.879 hearing his voice. It would be fantastic to hear 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.600 new Linkin Park songs with Chester. And I hope 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.379 those guys have no idea what their plans are. 00:14:23.570 --> 00:14:26.830 I haven't followed what any intentions are with 00:14:26.830 --> 00:14:29.009 even going forward. I don't know. Mike has a 00:14:29.009 --> 00:14:31.789 lot of stuff he does on his own. So it would 00:14:31.789 --> 00:14:34.230 be great to see some new music from them, whoever's 00:14:34.230 --> 00:14:38.190 involved. Now, as I mentioned in that last question, 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:42.190 in 2001, Union Underground appeared on the 2001 00:14:42.190 --> 00:14:46.460 lineup of Ozzfest. Within a lineup that, when 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:49.139 you say it now, just sounds like a dream lineup 00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:53.000 in hindsight. Drowning Pool, Nonpoint, Taproot, 00:14:53.340 --> 00:14:57.559 Mudvayne, Black Label Society, Disturbed, Linkin 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.879 Park, Papa Roach, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, and 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.960 the gods of metal, Black Sabbath. The show I 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:08.559 was at was actually the infamous PNC Bank Arts 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:11.799 Center show in Holmdel, New Jersey, August 11th. 00:15:12.090 --> 00:15:16.490 2001, when Jacoby Shaddix from Papa Roach invited 00:15:16.490 --> 00:15:20.889 fellow lawn seat dwellers to throw mud at the 00:15:20.889 --> 00:15:25.309 stage, turning Ozfest into a mud tossing riot. 00:15:26.669 --> 00:15:30.490 Now, I've heard both good and bad stories about 00:15:30.490 --> 00:15:33.250 Ozfest from both the business side of things 00:15:33.250 --> 00:15:35.929 and the musical side of the equation. And I would 00:15:35.929 --> 00:15:38.029 love to know what Union Underground's experiences 00:15:38.029 --> 00:15:41.340 were on that tour and the impact it had. on the 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:44.500 band as a whole? I mean, well, I had a huge impact 00:15:44.500 --> 00:15:48.559 on our exposure, of course. And we had just come 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.700 off of a tour with Marilyn Manson, Guns, God, 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.580 and Government. And so it was kind of a perfect 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:56.620 transition for us because he was on that run 00:15:56.620 --> 00:15:59.519 as well. And, you know, so we kind of had that 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:03.000 association straight off that tour. And it kind 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.139 of made sense for us to do that. And, you know, 00:16:05.139 --> 00:16:07.240 like you said, yeah, some of the horror stories 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.409 on the business side of it is. I mean, you clearly, 00:16:11.509 --> 00:16:15.610 at least in our situation at the time, and most 00:16:15.610 --> 00:16:18.029 bands, especially on the second stage and even 00:16:18.029 --> 00:16:20.389 some of the bands on the first stage, didn't 00:16:20.389 --> 00:16:24.629 get paid a dime. You actually paid to be on Ozzfest. 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:30.370 So, yeah. Hats off to Sharon, if you want to 00:16:30.370 --> 00:16:33.950 give kudos to that. But I understand the trade 00:16:33.950 --> 00:16:36.830 -off of exposure in lieu of payment. I mean, 00:16:36.830 --> 00:16:39.659 I get that. But, you know. Record labels paid 00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:42.000 a lot of money to have their bands on Glass Fest. 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:46.299 It's crazy. But it was absolutely worth it in 00:16:46.299 --> 00:16:49.559 the end, of course. I mean, some of our biggest 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:54.000 fans were solidified on that run to this day. 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.759 I mean, they mention it constantly. Which is 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.059 what I'm about to do now, because going back 00:16:59.059 --> 00:17:02.080 23 years when I saw you on the second stage of 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.630 that show, one of my vivid memories of it. is 00:17:06.630 --> 00:17:08.730 something that unfortunately we'll never be able 00:17:08.730 --> 00:17:11.569 to see again because the late Dave Williams from 00:17:11.569 --> 00:17:15.210 Drowning Pool joins you guys on stage for what 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:17.829 I consider to be a pretty unique collaboration. 00:17:18.529 --> 00:17:20.710 That's fantastic that you saw that show. Now, 00:17:20.750 --> 00:17:23.470 what city was that in again? Holmdel, New Jersey. 00:17:24.009 --> 00:17:27.549 Oh, yeah. We did Cowboys from Hell from Pantera. 00:17:27.930 --> 00:17:31.569 Yes, sir. And Dave came out with the Texas flag 00:17:31.569 --> 00:17:35.450 draped over his shoulders and you guys just slayed 00:17:35.450 --> 00:17:37.410 it. My buddies and I knew we were seeing something 00:17:37.410 --> 00:17:40.269 special when that moment happened. Thank you. 00:17:40.329 --> 00:17:43.589 Yeah. And we knew it felt that way to us as well. 00:17:43.849 --> 00:17:47.130 We just kind of had the idea early in the day. 00:17:47.230 --> 00:17:50.069 And then so me and Dave are in, I think it was 00:17:50.069 --> 00:17:53.769 on their bus. And we're just like. We're reading 00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:55.829 the lyrics from the CD going, wait, you take 00:17:55.829 --> 00:17:57.769 this line. I'll take this line. You take that 00:17:57.769 --> 00:17:59.509 line. And then we'll come together on these words 00:17:59.509 --> 00:18:01.890 and then we'll do this. You know, it was, it 00:18:01.890 --> 00:18:04.970 was literally like 30 minutes before we went 00:18:04.970 --> 00:18:06.730 on stage. We were just working this shit out. 00:18:06.809 --> 00:18:09.390 Right. Really? Yeah. It was super fun. But of 00:18:09.390 --> 00:18:11.609 course we're all huge Pantera fans. So we, those 00:18:11.609 --> 00:18:14.130 things are, the lyrics are instilled in us. So 00:18:14.130 --> 00:18:16.490 we just like, you know, two lines, two lines, 00:18:16.569 --> 00:18:18.490 two lines, two lines. We'll do the chorus together. 00:18:18.650 --> 00:18:21.769 Two lines, two lines done. You know? And we had 00:18:21.769 --> 00:18:24.690 a blast doing that. I have fantastic video footage 00:18:24.690 --> 00:18:28.589 from that. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I'm just going to 00:18:28.589 --> 00:18:32.289 throw this out in the universe celebrating dime 00:18:32.289 --> 00:18:35.529 Vinny, Dave, that footage needs to see the light 00:18:35.529 --> 00:18:38.829 of day, man. It does. Yeah. You know, I should 00:18:38.829 --> 00:18:42.170 dig it up because, uh, I mean, I have it, you 00:18:42.170 --> 00:18:43.569 know, back in the day, of course we're doing 00:18:43.569 --> 00:18:48.150 like the, um, the mini DV. So I just mountains 00:18:48.150 --> 00:18:51.700 of them. And that full song is in there from 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:54.099 a couple of different angles, you know, because 00:18:54.099 --> 00:18:56.059 there were several people filming from our crew. 00:18:57.059 --> 00:18:59.980 So, yeah, that might have to come out of the 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:02.339 vault at some point because, you know, as you 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:05.299 just said, what it represents is pretty historic 00:19:05.299 --> 00:19:08.039 in many ways. All three of those guys, I mean, 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.299 you know, it's insane. By the way, so you were 00:19:11.299 --> 00:19:14.880 at Osprey. You look so young, Brian, by the way. 00:19:15.619 --> 00:19:19.599 46. For you? Okay. So yeah, we're not that far 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.500 off. Okay. So you were a young lad cruising around 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:26.220 Ozzfest? Okay. Yeah. Well, I'll never forget 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:28.460 the day for a myriad of reasons. Obviously, the 00:19:28.460 --> 00:19:30.900 bands, the music, and all that great stuff. But 00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:34.220 from a little bit of a darker perspective, it 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:37.400 was August of 2001. So that was the last concert 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.900 experience I had prior to 9 -11, when at that 00:19:40.900 --> 00:19:44.039 point in time, the concert experiences were kind 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.349 of forever changed. It is really kind of thought 00:19:47.349 --> 00:19:52.609 of as the, you know, that's the one 2001 was 00:19:52.609 --> 00:19:56.869 just, the lineup was so, I mean, you, you, you 00:19:56.869 --> 00:19:59.950 know, you mentioned them all earlier and it's 00:19:59.950 --> 00:20:02.190 amazing. The lineup's amazing. And everyone, 00:20:02.289 --> 00:20:04.490 there's so many bands, Linkin Park, Disturbed, 00:20:04.529 --> 00:20:07.710 everyone was just getting their thing going, 00:20:07.750 --> 00:20:10.769 you know? And so it was a cool time to see everyone 00:20:10.769 --> 00:20:15.730 launching. Mudvayne was still very new. you know 00:20:15.730 --> 00:20:19.150 union it was just it was fantastic to see everyone 00:20:19.150 --> 00:20:22.710 launching their thing and all doing it together 00:20:22.710 --> 00:20:25.250 it was killer yeah we knew we were witnessing 00:20:25.250 --> 00:20:27.930 history on many levels that day when we were 00:20:27.930 --> 00:20:31.150 watching bands and you know yeah we forever said 00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:32.569 like this is a group we're going to be seeing 00:20:32.569 --> 00:20:34.789 for years to come and i'm so glad to be able 00:20:34.789 --> 00:20:36.549 to be sitting here talking to you about this 00:20:36.549 --> 00:20:41.319 23 years later so yeah Now, as someone who's 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.740 also always been a fan of wrestling, there was 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:45.960 no way we're talking Union Underground without 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.279 talking about Across the Nation, which served 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:55.500 as the theme for WWE's Raw from 2002 to 2006. 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:59.339 How did this partnership come together? It was 00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:03.440 really just a label thing. The compilation that 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:05.640 has, once again, a lot of the guys that were 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.119 on Ausfest were on that as well, like Drowning 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:11.569 Pole. I think Manson's on it. Disturbed has a 00:21:11.569 --> 00:21:15.589 song on that compilation as well. It was just, 00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:19.289 I believe it was a Sony music release, and we 00:21:19.289 --> 00:21:22.170 just got lucky enough to be involved in it through 00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:28.869 that connection. And John Johnston, I believe 00:21:28.869 --> 00:21:31.349 he's still with them. I don't know. He was their 00:21:31.349 --> 00:21:35.109 big music director over there, and he was a fan 00:21:35.109 --> 00:21:37.410 of ours, and he pitched it to Columbia for us 00:21:37.410 --> 00:21:40.279 to be on there. So it was a cool process because 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.480 so these theme songs, like how, you know, first 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:45.599 it was like, I don't know if I'm going to use 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.420 someone else's music to build our thing. But 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.680 all he did was send me a bass track that just 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.079 went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.079 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:55.220 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:55.220 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:55.380 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:55.380 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:55.400 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:55.599 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:55.720 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:56.519 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:06.720 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom if that's 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:07.960 what you're going to give me that's fantastic 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:10.319 because i can build a song around it and you 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.519 know it becomes one of our own things so that 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:15.640 a union fan doesn't think we're like doing a 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.680 cover song right so because i had heard i had 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:22.000 talked to the papa roach camp or not papa roach 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.000 but drowning pool and stir camps about like what 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.079 how are we going to approach this you know like 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:29.980 what are you guys doing i'm not sure how to approach 00:22:29.980 --> 00:22:33.720 it so we all kind of we're uh connecting with 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.579 each other to kind of figure out how to do it 00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:38.000 and it had it still sound like one of our songs 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.460 respectively right so uh the process was fun 00:22:42.460 --> 00:22:45.660 i would just kind of put a verse together and 00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:48.140 send it over to those guys and like hey is this 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:50.019 going in the right direction for you guys is 00:22:50.019 --> 00:22:52.400 cool and they were just like hey man whatever 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.079 you want to do sounds fantastic so we had a lot 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.500 of freedom to just do whatever we wanted and 00:22:58.500 --> 00:23:01.839 it's i mean to this day one of a fan favorite 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.750 for sure which we'll be playing this year as 00:23:05.750 --> 00:23:08.670 well. I would be shocked if you didn't. Now, 00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:10.750 the one question I want to ask about it is on 00:23:10.750 --> 00:23:15.230 the forcible entry CD, Across the Nation is censored. 00:23:15.289 --> 00:23:18.250 It's moved to the music, play that fucking music. 00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:21.609 Is there an uncensored version that you have 00:23:21.609 --> 00:23:23.650 in the vault? Because that needs to get released. 00:23:23.930 --> 00:23:28.289 I'm 46 years old. I can hear the F word. Yeah. 00:23:28.829 --> 00:23:32.410 We're all very familiar with Potty Mouth, right? 00:23:32.829 --> 00:23:37.789 Well, I have it, yeah, but I do not own that 00:23:37.789 --> 00:23:42.349 master myself, so I would not be able to put 00:23:42.349 --> 00:23:45.970 it out. Now, I've heard, well, it's never been 00:23:45.970 --> 00:23:51.430 released through Sony or through the WWF or E 00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:56.630 with the Potty Mouth version, right? I have it, 00:23:56.650 --> 00:24:04.140 you know? Maybe I'll just leak it. But I don't 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.579 think it's ever technically been, even online. 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.200 I mean, anytime I hear a clip of that song in 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.839 someone's TikTok or just any kind of salacious, 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:14.539 it's always the censored version. I don't think 00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:19.519 anyone has access to it. Well. I have it in the 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.359 vault. Yeah. I'm sensing an anniversary release. 00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:26.460 Maybe even though Portrait's folded, maybe this 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:28.900 could happen somehow through another subsidy 00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:31.859 of Columbia. Yeah, who knows? You never know. 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.059 Now, An Education in Rebellion was such a monster 00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:38.599 album. And then obviously we talked about Across 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.660 the Nation becoming synonymous in both Union 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:45.279 Underground's world as well as to WWE fans. After 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.329 Portrait Records folded in 2002, The band sadly 00:24:49.329 --> 00:24:53.470 disbanded. Can you talk about that period for 00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:56.369 the group and how that likely insanely difficult 00:24:56.369 --> 00:25:02.769 decision was made? You know, Orchard disbanding 00:25:02.769 --> 00:25:08.109 was, you know, a subsequent thing to our decision 00:25:08.109 --> 00:25:13.609 to not continue making that second record. Right. 00:25:13.769 --> 00:25:16.809 I had personally gotten to a point where I didn't. 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:22.059 feel like continuing on with that particular 00:25:22.059 --> 00:25:26.380 group of people and not only just the band just 00:25:26.380 --> 00:25:29.819 the group of people that i had chosen to my surround 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:33.039 myself with and it just didn't uh it wasn't working 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.400 out like i thought you know what i mean i always 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.319 had the intentions of revisiting it but with 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.980 a different camp and it just took a bit longer 00:25:41.980 --> 00:25:46.180 than i thought right But I've been doing a lot 00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:48.000 of other things. I mean, Cult of Follow is a 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.400 band that I've been focusing on for years. So 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.079 I hadn't even planned on revisiting the Union 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:57.380 Underground thing until the last few years. And 00:25:57.380 --> 00:26:02.359 I'm much happier now. I mean, I had really gotten 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:03.660 to a point where I thought, you know what? I'm 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:06.940 never even going to just bring it up again. That's 00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:09.319 a part of my history. I'm not going to write 00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.200 any more Union Underground songs. I'm not even 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.569 going to entertain the idea of doing demos. I'm 00:26:14.569 --> 00:26:18.769 just kind of done. But as you move along, I was 00:26:18.769 --> 00:26:22.329 writing things for Cold to Follow. And I thought, 00:26:22.450 --> 00:26:24.549 man, this would make a fantastic Union Underground 00:26:24.549 --> 00:26:28.470 song. And so there were so many moments where 00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:31.990 I just, man, I was kind of putting demos aside 00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:35.470 under a union folder, thinking, man, these would 00:26:35.470 --> 00:26:39.829 be great union songs. And I just knew that there's 00:26:39.829 --> 00:26:42.490 just still too many people that would love to 00:26:42.490 --> 00:26:48.730 see it continue. And I will deliver that. Well, 00:26:48.809 --> 00:26:51.009 you were talking about Cult to Follow. There's 00:26:51.009 --> 00:26:53.930 a few songs I feel like I'd be doing a disservice 00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:55.910 to this interview if we didn't talk about, because 00:26:55.910 --> 00:26:58.930 Leave It All Behind is a frigging monster of 00:26:58.930 --> 00:27:02.650 a track. Lies is a hefty, emotional song. And 00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:04.930 then you've got Murder Medley, which is just 00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:09.430 an absolute assault. Was Cult to Follow the vibe 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.170 you were looking for Union Underground to kind 00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:15.869 of... move towards at the time of the band's 00:27:15.869 --> 00:27:18.630 disbandment you know that's a great question 00:27:18.630 --> 00:27:23.809 i had never even considered that probably because 00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:27.789 uh none of those things are really mapped out 00:27:27.789 --> 00:27:29.710 you just kind of you're just writing you know 00:27:29.710 --> 00:27:34.349 just but yeah i mean some of the things that 00:27:34.349 --> 00:27:37.869 we were writing just sounded so you know for 00:27:37.869 --> 00:27:41.619 the second record uh the union record just sounded 00:27:41.619 --> 00:27:45.519 so not like union that i just became disenchanted 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.819 with it right and sometimes when people start 00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:51.599 working on their second record there's too many 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.980 chiefs you know where before when you're working 00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:56.039 on your first record there's kind of a singular 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.339 vision or you know there's only a couple of people 00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:02.220 really writing together and it's there's not 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:05.500 a lot of distractions but those things change 00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:08.079 and i thought Everyone just got too distracted 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.400 and the music just no longer sounded like Union 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.640 Underground. So I see that for sure in some of 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.480 those songs. There's a song called 10 Seconds 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.700 from Panic that's a Cult of Balls song that I 00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:25.940 always thought that's definitely me writing a 00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:28.819 Union Underground song without knowing it. And 00:28:28.819 --> 00:28:32.400 that phase when I was writing the first batch 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.839 of Cult stuff is where I realized, that i kind 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.140 of started putting things aside like this has 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:40.720 got to be a union thing this will be a union 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.420 thing and it i sat on some of them for years 00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:46.240 until recently you know i started pulling them 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.079 out of it out of the files you know it's hard 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.519 to kind of keep those things separated i mean 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.539 colta follows you know overall quite a different 00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:56.160 vibe but there are those moments where you're 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.619 like dude that could be a union song you know 00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:02.299 and some of that cult stuff for sure Now, in 00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:05.380 2016, you formed a side project into the fire 00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:08.839 with Soils, Tim King and Adam Zadel, along with 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.900 Will Hunt of Evanescence. And there are two songs 00:29:11.900 --> 00:29:14.559 I'd like to talk about, Spit You Out and From 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.460 the Medicine. I'd love to hear how this project 00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:20.500 came together. And then since you're going to 00:29:20.500 --> 00:29:23.269 be on the road with Soil. for the Back to the 00:29:23.269 --> 00:29:26.910 2000s tour this spring, is there any chance that 00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:29.509 these songs could pop up in some kind of guest 00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:32.730 appearance encore type situation here? That has 00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:36.029 been a question. I think we've gotten it from 00:29:36.029 --> 00:29:38.970 all sides. Tim has mentioned it a few times too. 00:29:39.009 --> 00:29:41.710 Man, I keep getting questions about whether or 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:44.690 not we're going to do Into the Fire songs. We 00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:48.269 might. You never know. It might happen. I would 00:29:48.269 --> 00:29:51.789 imagine that at the end of... the union underground 00:29:51.789 --> 00:29:54.509 set one night we might have the guys on and do 00:29:54.509 --> 00:29:58.369 something fun for sure i mean it's probably inevitable 00:29:58.369 --> 00:30:02.369 yeah yeah i mean you look at the lineup and you're 00:30:02.369 --> 00:30:04.809 going well i mean you guys are all there couldn't 00:30:04.809 --> 00:30:06.549 hurt right we're all there and there's got to 00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.250 be a drummer in the room i would imagine you 00:30:09.250 --> 00:30:11.289 know someone's going to be there yeah i'll bring 00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:13.809 all four drummers up all four bands at the same 00:30:13.809 --> 00:30:16.970 time make it yeah i would love to do that yeah 00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:19.670 we actually talked about that and uh yeah it'll 00:30:19.670 --> 00:30:22.450 probably happen That's a fantastic EP. I mean, 00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:25.150 we call it an EP. It's just two songs. And we 00:30:25.150 --> 00:30:29.170 plan on doing some more of those, actually. I 00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:31.009 mean, everyone's so busy with their original 00:30:31.009 --> 00:30:35.009 projects. We call it a side project. But it's 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:37.869 just whenever we feel that we will have time 00:30:37.869 --> 00:30:40.029 to release it and kind of promote it properly, 00:30:40.269 --> 00:30:44.690 then we're sitting on an acoustic song that is 00:30:44.690 --> 00:30:47.750 fantastic. And we've been sitting on it for a 00:30:47.750 --> 00:30:50.559 few years now. And that will definitely see the 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.799 light of day because it has to. So, you know, 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.019 it's just all about timing. You know, there's 00:30:56.019 --> 00:30:58.839 a lot of moving parts, you know, with everyone's 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.980 projects. Of course, of course. And one other 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.960 project I'd like to bring up before going back 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.319 to union, I'm a cover song fanatic. And in 2022, 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:11.640 you released a solo cover of the Eagles take 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.779 it easy. And I thought you brought an extremely 00:31:14.779 --> 00:31:21.400 unique approach to a song. That everybody, and 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.099 I don't want to say everybody, but I would say 00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:27.980 99 % of the human race is familiar with. And 00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:31.779 that is something that is not an easy feat. Can 00:31:31.779 --> 00:31:35.240 you walk us through your arrangement of the track 00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:36.900 and what you were trying to bring to it? And 00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:38.400 now I'm just thinking back to that question. 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.660 I actually called it a easy feat that that was 00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:44.099 a terrible pun and not planned in any way, shape 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:48.049 or form. Yeah. Well, thanks for bringing that 00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:50.569 up because I, yeah, I did not expect that. I'm 00:31:50.569 --> 00:31:53.289 sitting on a, uh, before I answer your question, 00:31:53.470 --> 00:31:57.029 I'm sitting on a, uh, an official music video 00:31:57.029 --> 00:32:00.809 that will be released right after the, uh, back 00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:02.990 to the two thousands run. Nice. So I'm just, 00:32:03.049 --> 00:32:04.930 I'm kind of sitting on the video just because, 00:32:04.990 --> 00:32:06.990 you know, I want to have time to promote it properly 00:32:06.990 --> 00:32:10.109 and kind of get this run out of the way and focus 00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:14.000 on that and, uh, had a ton of fun doing it. Now, 00:32:14.059 --> 00:32:16.240 the streaming, like you said, has been available 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.380 for a while, but the video will come out this 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:24.759 summer and then it'll finally be available. And 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:30.980 so as a kid, I would go on road trips, camping 00:32:30.980 --> 00:32:35.140 trips with my mom and dad, and the Eagles were 00:32:35.140 --> 00:32:38.220 just playing in the car nonstop on all these 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:40.700 trips. You know, it's a huge part of just. and 00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:43.119 this is before you know i had started playing 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.619 in the instruments so the eagles were just kind 00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:49.779 of burned into my brain you know and i just i 00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:53.680 loved it and that was the song which is funny 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.539 because the original version is like a blue almost 00:32:56.539 --> 00:33:00.359 a bluegrass track which is you know not typically 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.859 something i would gravitate to right but i just 00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:07.240 i loved their entire catalog and i thought you 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.029 know It'd be fun to slow this song down. And 00:33:10.029 --> 00:33:13.630 I'm a huge Tom Petty fan as well. Yes. Yeah, 00:33:13.630 --> 00:33:16.289 man. Tom Petty's my favorite artist of all time. 00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:19.329 And somehow we just became best friends. Yes, 00:33:19.349 --> 00:33:23.029 right on. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Tom Petty 00:33:23.029 --> 00:33:27.609 is just unbelievable how big a fan I am. So it 00:33:27.609 --> 00:33:30.970 was one of those. I wanted to kind of take that 00:33:30.970 --> 00:33:33.609 fast -paced kind of bluegrass vibe, slow it way 00:33:33.609 --> 00:33:37.720 down, like to a Tom Petty kind of. road trip 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.700 tempo is was my whole intention there and that's 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.460 really how i approach it like if tom petty covered 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:49.039 this song what would be the tempo and feel and 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.660 so that's kind of how i got to that point with 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:55.920 that song amazing and um i had such a blast doing 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.279 it and there's a lot of family memories and and 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.880 childhood memories attached to it which was the 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.880 reason for me choosing it and i knew that And 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.539 probably not a lot of people have heard of it 00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:07.839 because I really haven't promoted it. I mean, 00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:09.559 it's available on streaming, but I haven't really 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.500 talked about it much. So when the video comes 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:14.739 out, I know it's a little strange for people, 00:34:14.860 --> 00:34:17.139 right? Even though these days, I mean, you can 00:34:17.139 --> 00:34:18.559 do a million different things. I mean, there's 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.340 so much content. But it is a little strange for 00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:25.380 people to hear that. It's like, wait, is this 00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:28.280 guy going to do like a country rock record next 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.920 or what's happening? So it can be a little odd 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.670 for people, I would imagine. you know, whatever. 00:34:34.849 --> 00:34:37.309 I mean, I just have a, I had a fantastic time 00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:39.590 recording it. I think it came out fantastic. 00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:42.090 And now I have to ask, is this part of a larger 00:34:42.090 --> 00:34:44.329 project that you're planning to do down the road 00:34:44.329 --> 00:34:47.429 at some point? Yeah, I will. Like, so the Brian 00:34:47.429 --> 00:34:51.469 Scott stuff, you know, I will reserve for things 00:34:51.469 --> 00:34:54.269 like, you know, cover songs like that one. I 00:34:54.269 --> 00:34:56.550 even have some instrumentals that I would like 00:34:56.550 --> 00:35:00.090 to release under the Brian Scott name and use 00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:02.980 that more for like, Cause if I just sit down 00:35:02.980 --> 00:35:05.880 and just wrote a song naturally, it's going to 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.099 sound like a Colts follow song. So I, I mean, 00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:10.099 you know, I would just release or union, right? 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.739 So I would just release my kind of natural things 00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:18.179 under those two brands, but the things that are 00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:21.440 kind of out of my norm, like the take it easy 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:27.719 song, I will reserve for my solo releases because 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.480 there would be no reason to release a cult follow 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.460 sounding song under Brian Scott. Right. You know 00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:35.820 what I mean? So of course I'll reserve. And like 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:37.360 I said, I have a few instrumentals that I would 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.320 really like to see be released for sure. Good 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.860 at heart. I'm a guitar player. So I have a lot 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.539 of pieces that I've recorded over the years that 00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:48.019 I would like to release that have no vocals. 00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.860 Be very interested to hear that. Now, while we're 00:35:50.860 --> 00:35:54.530 talking about new music, Over the last few years, 00:35:54.570 --> 00:35:56.750 there's been rumblings of new songs from the 00:35:56.750 --> 00:35:59.570 Union Underground, and one track has also debuted 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:02.750 live. So with that, is there a chance that there's 00:36:02.750 --> 00:36:05.449 new studio tracks from Union Underground coming 00:36:05.449 --> 00:36:09.949 our way? Yep. Now, even though Back to the 2000s 00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:13.610 has that theme to it, we're still going to play 00:36:13.610 --> 00:36:17.409 a couple of songs that will be on the new record. 00:36:17.889 --> 00:36:21.530 Faith Collapsing is a song that we're playing 00:36:21.530 --> 00:36:24.659 live now. that will probably be on the record 00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:27.559 that's the one that there was a clip online for 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:33.460 a bit um false caterpillars will 100 be a single 00:36:33.460 --> 00:36:36.340 from the new record but no one's heard that i 00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:38.500 mean no one's heard it outside of the camp right 00:36:38.500 --> 00:36:42.420 i'm not going to play that live yet because just 00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:45.739 kind of the obvious reasons i mean there'll probably 00:36:45.739 --> 00:36:48.679 be too much time between you know because i mean 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.860 everyone just records everything it shows right 00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:54.469 so i don't want a new unreleased song floating 00:36:54.469 --> 00:36:57.289 around too long before it's released, you know, 00:36:57.329 --> 00:36:59.409 just for the obvious reasons. So we won't be 00:36:59.409 --> 00:37:01.969 playing that song, but we will be playing the 00:37:01.969 --> 00:37:04.289 song called Faith Collapsing, which is also a 00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:05.710 track that will probably be on the new record. 00:37:06.070 --> 00:37:08.010 Well, we've been talking about it a lot tonight. 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:10.610 Union Underground is back on the road this March 00:37:10.610 --> 00:37:13.510 for the Back to the 2000s tour with Soil, Raw, 00:37:13.750 --> 00:37:16.429 and Flaw. Can you talk about how this specific 00:37:16.429 --> 00:37:18.869 lineup came together? We've talked about what 00:37:18.869 --> 00:37:20.530 fans are going to be able to expect at these 00:37:20.530 --> 00:37:23.239 shows, but... The first leg is in the month of 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.380 March. Is there any additional legs that are 00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:27.099 going to be coming down the road throughout 2024? 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.719 We are putting together a second leg. I can't 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.019 say much about it yet because it's all in the 00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:40.619 works. So what month and what kind of part of 00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:43.199 the year is still up in the air a bit. There's 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.739 also, speaking of soil and union, there are hints 00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:51.659 of a little UK -ness this year. Can't say much 00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.840 about that yet, but that is in the works as well. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.219 So, and that's all in 2024. So, I mean, we'll 00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.980 have to do a second run of this. Now, whether 00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:04.139 or not all the bands will be involved, not sure 00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:06.480 yet. Depends on everyone's schedules. I would 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.539 hope so because everyone's very excited about 00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:11.739 this lineup. I mean, the response with having 00:38:11.739 --> 00:38:16.300 Raw and the Flaw guys on has been huge. Raw, 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.059 to be honest, I was not that familiar with them. 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.019 before we started putting this together and I 00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:23.940 kind of went back and revisited some of their 00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:26.440 stuff and they're fantastic. And their new stuff 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.519 is really good as well. So that's going to be 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.860 cool to see those guys, you know, be able to 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:34.400 perform their newer stuff. I'm really looking 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.980 forward to it. And hopefully some of these guys 00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:40.239 will be available for leg two as well. And then 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.079 the big question, is there a guesstimated date 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.679 for the follow -up to an education in Rebellion? 00:38:48.289 --> 00:38:54.530 Oh, God, I could never commit to that. I've been 00:38:54.530 --> 00:39:00.150 hinting at it for a long time. No, I mean, not 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:04.269 an official date. And also, too, because I'm 00:39:04.269 --> 00:39:07.949 not sure how I want to go about releasing it. 00:39:08.030 --> 00:39:10.769 I mean, things have changed so much in the last 00:39:10.769 --> 00:39:13.429 few years about just how people consume music. 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.260 I'm not completely convinced that I want to put 00:39:17.260 --> 00:39:20.539 out a full album or if I just want to concentrate 00:39:20.539 --> 00:39:24.360 on single releases and then eventually have a 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.099 compilation thing or have an EP at first. I'm 00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:29.420 not really sure. That's all up in the air. I 00:39:29.420 --> 00:39:31.239 mean, that doesn't affect the writing process, 00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:34.699 obviously, but it does affect the length of time 00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:38.840 prior to a release. So we'll see. It's been in 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.400 the works, but it's finally coming to fruition. 00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:46.409 all of the intentions the last few years. And 00:39:46.409 --> 00:39:50.570 I am guilty of promising dates before they're 00:39:50.570 --> 00:39:55.789 realistic. Well, Brian, this has been an absolute 00:39:55.789 --> 00:39:57.869 pleasure. I'm looking forward to catching the 00:39:57.869 --> 00:39:59.769 tour when you guys swing through New Jersey in 00:39:59.769 --> 00:40:01.969 March. So we'll be sure to catch up there. Thank 00:40:01.969 --> 00:40:04.489 you so much for joining me on My Weekly Mixtape. 00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:07.659 Thank you. Thanks for having me. 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