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Welcome to My Weekly Mixtape, a podcast that

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takes the classic mixtape approach to building

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a modern playlist. I'm your host, Brian Colburn.

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On tonight's episode, we are going to go back

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a few years. Back to 2019, back to the Toon Styles

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days, and back to one of the most interesting

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interviews that I have ever been a part of. Back

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in 2019, Jay Sweet and I had a chance to sit

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down with Bill Manspeaker, who is the mastermind

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behind Green Jello, a group that I'm sure you

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remember for their Claymation music video in

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the 1990s, Three Little Pigs. That is just the

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tip of the iceberg that is the Bill Manspeaker

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story. This interview, I will go on record immediately

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and say it's not safe for work. Let me repeat.

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It is not safe for work. So if you're at work

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and you're listening on your speakers, my weekly

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mixtape takes no responsibility on any repercussions

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you have for not listening to the warning I'm

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giving you right now. I would also not play this

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one in front of the kids. But beyond all of that,

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if you're just listening on your headphones,

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this is a ridiculously. fascinating interview

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that Jay and I were both bummed was one of the

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ones that got nuked when Toon Styles ended its

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run. So I'm so glad to be able to present this

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to you. And I can also say this story goes up

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to 2019. Obviously, we haven't talked about the

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last six years of the band because it was recorded

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prior to that. But I digress. This is an extremely

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fun and fascinating sit down. So I'm really excited

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further ado, I bring you the TuneStyles 2019

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interview with Bill Manspeaker of Green Jello.

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Enjoy it. We are here with Bill Manspeaker, the

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punk rock puppet master for Green Jello. Howdy

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there, kids. Bill Manspeaker, punk rock puppet

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master, Green Jello. And I'm here to say one

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thing and one thing only. Be the laziest you

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can possibly be in your entire life. Never get

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a job and never own anything because the more

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you own, the less shit you will do. What's up,

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everybody? How are you doing? You are starting

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with the knowledge. I'm loving this. Dropping

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the truth. Right from the beginning. Oh, it's

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the simplest ever, man. The more you own, the

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less shit gets done. Well, I'm here to tell the

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listeners right now that you guys are going to

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be hit with a ton of surprises in this interview.

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Oh, yes. The first being the fact that Green

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Jello turns 38 years old this year. Holy shit.

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Wow, that's crazy. I've been in my band longer

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than I have not been in my band. So with that

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being said, 38 years ago. How did Green Jello

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begin? Oh, really, really super simple. I tried

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my best to be a musician. I tried playing drums.

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I failed. Tried bass, failed guitar, failed sing,

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piano, you name it. Skin flute, I couldn't even

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play it. Everything I did was complete failure

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in music. In fact, I actually joined the choir

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in fifth grade. And they told me that I could

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still continue to be in the choir as long as

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I pretend this thing because my vocals were throwing

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the other children off. True story. High school

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had absolutely nothing to do with my life except

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for doing drugs and drinking alcohol. And there

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we are with my 12th grader friends. We're doing

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bongs. We're drinking beer. And it's a Wednesday

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night and we're bored as hell. And my friend

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comes in right after dinner and says, hey, I

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have a great name for a punk rock band, Green

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Jello. My mom just gave it to me for dessert

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and it was the worst food in the world. It can

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certainly be the worst band in the world. And

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right then on January 18th, 1981. The world's

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worst band was created before a member was even

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in it. All with no musical ability. Zero. Zilch.

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Nothing. And I'm not even kidding. It's not even

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like this joke that I'm playing. And, you know,

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saying, you know, well, Kiss is the hottest band

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in the land. No. I have the world's worst band.

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And a long time ago. When I wanted to be a musician,

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and again, a long time ago, there was this huge

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line. God, it was thousands of people long, everybody

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wanting to be the best. Everybody sleeping out

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for years and this ever -fucking -moving. And

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I look over, and the line to be the worst? Not

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one person. In fact, they had a sign of help

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wanted. I went in there and I fucking employed

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myself. I said, I am number one. And ever since

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that day, I've had the shittiest band in the

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world. And now 38 years later, there are over

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900 Green Jello members throughout Canada, the

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United States, Mexico, Bahamas, Alaska, England,

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Scotland, Europe, Czech Republic, and of course,

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900 band members. 900 I have. Guinness Book of

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World Records for the world's largest band in

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music history. Not only do I own, create, and

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embrace being the world's worst band, but I'm

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also the world's largest band in music history.

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Many, many, many silly records to be broken with

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a crappy band. So let me ask you this. Bands

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with two members break up because of internal

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conflicts. A bunch of fucking sissy ass motherfuckers.

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How do you keep 900 band members getting along?

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It becomes so less complicated. Every single

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week I have a brand new band going on in Tennessee.

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Luke doesn't give two shits that John's girlfriend

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was sucking last week's Idaho. He doesn't care.

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So whatever drama happens the week before, it

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stays there. Whatever happens in Green Jell -O

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stays in Green Jell -O because the next group

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of people don't give a rat's ass. And what's

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also great about it is every single band has

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its own personality and they play the song a

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completely different way. So every week, it's

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like being in a band fresh again because you

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have that excitement, you have that encouragement,

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you have that willingness to succeed. And when

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you're in a band with the same amount of people

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for 39 years, all that enthusiasm probably leaves

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about the first, second, or third month of any

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sort of tour, and everybody hates each other.

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So what I've found is the perfect formula. You

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can tolerate somebody for three days in a band,

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and then that's it. And then after that, you're

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pushing your luck. So I just tour with the band

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three days a week, 125 times a year, 1 ,250 times

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every decade, nonstop, a quarter million miles

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traveled per year, all because I found the correct

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formula. Never have the same people in your band

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more than three days. Sir, you're a genius. You

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have solved the mysteries of touring. There you

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have it. It was easy. And at that point, it didn't

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matter if I had any talent or not. I had enough

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band members to have like 87 bands going. So

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it really doesn't matter. Quantity. Not quality.

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Quantity. So how do you weed through 900 band

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members to find the true rock stars here? You

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know, it's really not that hard. You can see

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everybody's potential by the third day. You know,

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if they're drinking, doing drugs, and chasing

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the fat chick, you know, this guy's not going

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to go anywhere in life. But if he's focused,

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learns the song, and he's embracing every single

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moment, then you take them everywhere you go.

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You take them on the trip to Sweden. You play

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in front of 7 ,000 people. You take them to Mexico

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City. You play in front of 12 ,000 people. It's

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not about... playing in front of 20 of your friends.

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It's about living to your full potential. And

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I don't care if there's one person in the audience

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or a thousand. If I see that you're living to

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your full potential, I'm going to bring you to

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every show that I got that's amazing. And if

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I see you're just fucking off, well, we're just

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going to play the fuck off shows all together

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and nobody will remember. Green Jell -O sucks

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has always been the band's mantra. And you've

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said it yourself. you call yourselves the quote

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-unquote worst band ever. Correct. How do you

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uphold that reputation? Well, it's really easy

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when you have absolutely no musical talent whatsoever.

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You know, like music baffles me as algebra would

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baffle a gamer kid. So to continue to be the

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worst band is easy when you really still have

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no musical knowledge. You would think that after

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39 years that accidentally I would figure it

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out. Nope. It's like accidentally figuring out

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how to calculate the direction to the moon. You

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can't just stumble on this equation. You got

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to have some sort of knowledge. And my musical

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knowledge is zero. So, you know, I can proudly

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claim that not only do I have the world's worst

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band, but I was the first one to actually have

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one. I was the first one to be proud of it. I

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was the first one to say, hey, I'm number one

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in this line. You're number fucking two. Get

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behind me. I am the worst. And let me see what

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you can do to prove that you're the worst. Because

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what I have is I have documented proof on CBS

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television, the Colombian broadcasting system.

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In 1987, I got in my car and I drove 3 ,000 miles.

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to be on this game show called the Gong Show.

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You can look this up on YouTube, Green Jello

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Gong Show, 1987. It was a game show that you

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went on, and it was kind of like America's Got

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Talent, but you went on there to make an ass

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out of yourself, and you won some stupid prize.

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Well, I'm the only one that actually wanted to

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win the stupid prize. I was the only one to actually

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want to be a jackass. So I got in my car, drove

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3 ,000 miles. I got gonged on national television.

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I won a year's supply of Lee Press on nails,

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which, by the way, is a box. Okay? I told all

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my friends they had Lee Press on nails for the

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rest of their life. Big truck show. I'm thinking,

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here's my payout by Lee Press on nails. UPS guy

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comes out with one little box with six pairs

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of nails. All right? You want to talk about being

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ripped off? Wait until you get your prize for

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being the worst band in the world and you get

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gypped on Lee Presson now. Let me tell you something.

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That is very hard to top. It is. I have the Lee

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Presson now still to prove it. And I defy anyone

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that's out there to prove that their band has

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been the worst band in the world before 1987.

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I've been saying this for 22 years. So the next

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question I have to ask, Joey Ramone singled the

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band out as well. Went on public record saying

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that we were the worst band to ever play with

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the Ramones. How did you make that happen? Well,

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my friend, there's many ways to piss off the

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Ramones. So it's the year 1985. I'm doing lots

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of drugs. I'm doing a lot of alcohol at the Punk

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Rock Club in Buffalo, New York. And I'm passing

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out flyers for my next show. And I decided they

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were having all this food for Africa stuff. So

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I decided that I was going to throw a concert

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to have desserts for the children of Africa.

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So after they ate their food, they could at least

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have some sort of dessert. So I'm passing out

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flyers for my Jell -O for Africa show. And if

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I'm going to say, man, can I go? And I said,

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no. He goes, I'll let you open up for the Ramones.

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And I said, sure, here you go. Literally traded

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him to sing on this stupid song about giving

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desserts to children for Africa. I actually traded

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him a position to play with the Ramones. And

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then later on, I made him my roommate. And then

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he let me open all the good shows. So again,

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here it goes. You don't have to be in a good

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band to open for these giant bands. All you got

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to do is get a roommate who's the promoter and

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he'll let you do it for free. So now the logical

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question, Bill, is are any of your former fifth

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grade choir members now members of the 900 strong?

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No, they are not. I don't think any of those

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people from my choir class have any idea what

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I do for a living. In fact, I'm sure they would

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be appalled. That's what I was just going to

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say. I'm sure they would. That would be comedy

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in and of itself, though, right there, wouldn't

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it? Oh, yeah. Nothing like choir class at Catholic

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school in 1972. So another interesting fact about

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Green Jell -O that the writers might not know

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is that you guys hold the record for the biggest

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selling debut record in England's chart history.

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Yeah, isn't that stupid? That's insane. Given

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the state of the music industry now, do you ever

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expect that to be toppled? Oh, no, no. In fact,

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when the United States record company was promoting

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it to the overseas record company, they actually

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flew the president of the record company out,

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you know, for the weekend, partied them up in

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frigging Beverly Hills, gave them drugs, gave

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them hookers. And, you know, really tried to

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get him to push the record. And on the way to

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the airport, the president of the record company

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from the United States asked the president of

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the record company from England if he was going

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to start promoting that record. And the cassette

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was in the cassette player of the car rental.

00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.419
He pressed eject and threw it out the side view

00:16:11.419 --> 00:16:17.879
window. So the answer was no. Yes, and it wound

00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.039
up being the biggest selling single in England's

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music history. Wow. Or a debut single. That means

00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:27.580
like a band that's never been on the charts.

00:16:27.740 --> 00:16:30.940
Of course, of course, yeah. In which it appeared

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at number five, and it actually went to being

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the number one selling single in the UK and,

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of course, in America. So everything in the Green

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Jell -O universe is... Stupid. Well, that too.

00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.759
Just pure stupidity. That's it. When you guys

00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.860
were originally signed to Zoo Records, that even

00:16:52.860 --> 00:16:55.779
happened in an untraditional manner, meaning

00:16:55.779 --> 00:16:59.100
the rep never even frigging heard you guys. Let's

00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:00.679
talk about this for a second. Never heard my

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band, never saw my band, had absolutely no knowledge

00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.019
whatsoever of what I did. And I'm sure inquiring

00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:10.440
minds want to know how exactly did that happen?

00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.259
I would say aliens. When I first got to town,

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I was working at a record store, and I told my

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friends that I drove across America to be on

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a gang show to be humiliated to win these lead

00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.420
press annals to prove I had the world's worst

00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:28.200
band. Of course, everybody thought I was insane

00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.279
and I was making it up, except for one guy, who

00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:34.279
later on got a job at a record company. About

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two years later, he messages me and says, Bill,

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I'm having lunch at the corner of Sunset and

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Vine with the president of the record company

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and the staff. Come by like you haven't seen

00:17:44.619 --> 00:17:47.640
me, and I'll introduce you to everyone. Hop on

00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.220
my bike and zoom down there. Oh, my God, Kevin,

00:17:50.380 --> 00:17:52.359
I haven't seen you since the record show. Oh,

00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.220
my God, how are you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.019
this is Lou Molly, the president of the record

00:17:59.019 --> 00:18:01.740
company. Hi, Lou, how are you doing? Ah, Kevin

00:18:01.740 --> 00:18:05.200
tells me. that you have some band. I said, yeah,

00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.579
I got Green Jello, the world's worst band. People

00:18:07.579 --> 00:18:10.720
throw food at me. I dress up in costumes. People

00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.279
yell that we suck. I drove all the way out from

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Buffalo, New York to be on the gong show. I got

00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.039
gonged to be humiliated to prove I'm the world's

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worst band. He looked at me in complete amazement.

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He said, ah, I want you to do your project. And

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I said, uh, I need $60 ,000. And I just blurted

00:18:28.869 --> 00:18:30.490
out this price because my cousin happened to

00:18:30.490 --> 00:18:32.890
be selling her house for 60 grand at this point

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in time. And so I said, 60 ,000 bucks. He picks

00:18:36.289 --> 00:18:39.210
up his phone and says, Chris, write Manspeaker

00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:42.710
a check for 60 grand. We just signed Green Jump.

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And I got a record deal before they ever heard

00:18:45.910 --> 00:18:48.309
my band, saw my band, knew anything about my

00:18:48.309 --> 00:18:51.390
band. On my first handshake, I walked, I left,

00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:55.109
I came home with $60 ,000. A year later, I sold

00:18:55.109 --> 00:18:59.599
14 million songs. Well, obviously, the gentleman

00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.039
at the record label knew something. He said,

00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.359
we're either going to sell one or one million.

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We also have to talk about the casual music listeners

00:19:11.059 --> 00:19:13.819
out there, the people that don't dive into music

00:19:13.819 --> 00:19:17.839
nerdery like Jay and myself do, might not know

00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.420
this next information, but to fans of Green Jello,

00:19:21.500 --> 00:19:23.799
this is going to be common knowledge, so I apologize

00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.369
in advance about that. But there is a big connection

00:19:27.369 --> 00:19:32.329
between Green Jell -O and Tool. Oh, of course,

00:19:32.329 --> 00:19:34.109
yeah. And I kind of want to talk about that.

00:19:34.369 --> 00:19:37.970
Sure. Talk all the way. All you want. Danny was

00:19:37.970 --> 00:19:40.710
in Green Jell -O for years and years and years.

00:19:41.390 --> 00:19:45.049
I had a good friend named Adam who used to come

00:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.230
to all my Green Jell -O shows. And he was a special

00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:50.910
effects artist that was working at Stan Winston.

00:19:51.029 --> 00:19:54.089
He was trying to get me a job over there. and

00:19:54.089 --> 00:19:56.309
Adam would come over all the time, help me make

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costumes. One day, his friend from Michigan moved

00:20:01.470 --> 00:20:04.450
to town, Jim. He brought Jim over and said, Hey,

00:20:04.450 --> 00:20:06.650
Jim, this is Bill. Bill, this is Jim. He needs

00:20:06.650 --> 00:20:09.490
a place to live. I was the guy that always gave

00:20:09.490 --> 00:20:11.890
somebody a place to live, and he immediately

00:20:11.890 --> 00:20:16.710
moved in, joined our band, and we had a big giant

00:20:16.710 --> 00:20:19.230
loft in Hollywood where everybody came over,

00:20:19.369 --> 00:20:21.450
and we played music, and we made art, and we

00:20:21.450 --> 00:20:26.059
had parties. And Jim had lived at the loft for

00:20:26.059 --> 00:20:29.240
a couple months, and he had joined Green Jello,

00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.299
and he was singing along, playing drums with

00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:34.819
Maynard and making costumes with Adam, his friend.

00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.359
And one day I came home with this check for $60

00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:44.200
,000 from a record company, and Maynard and Adam

00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.819
were home at the loft, and they immediately said,

00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.450
hey, let's start our own band. And Maynard and

00:20:51.450 --> 00:20:54.569
Adam immediately started a band called Tool.

00:20:55.369 --> 00:20:57.750
And the first song that they wrote was called

00:20:57.750 --> 00:21:01.450
Maynard's Dick, which they wrote right then in

00:21:01.450 --> 00:21:04.609
front of me. And I was going to throw a big party

00:21:04.609 --> 00:21:07.230
with all the money that I made. And Maynard said,

00:21:07.410 --> 00:21:09.849
OK, can my band play at the party? I said, you

00:21:09.849 --> 00:21:12.089
don't have a band. He says, well, I'm going to

00:21:12.089 --> 00:21:13.890
make up one for the party. And I said, sure.

00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.880
So we got Danny to play drums and this guy, Paul,

00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.599
the more was over playing video games and he

00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.339
got him to play bass. And next thing you know,

00:21:23.380 --> 00:21:25.440
they're playing my party, you know, the week

00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:29.819
after. And the record company saw them and signed

00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:33.039
them also. So all of a sudden, all my friends

00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.400
had about a quarter million dollars and we were

00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:40.609
signed to these major record deals. And we. Did

00:21:40.609 --> 00:21:43.250
the best that we could and we focused and we

00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:47.309
put all of our effort into one area and both

00:21:47.309 --> 00:21:50.890
of our bands won. And now, whatever it is, 20,

00:21:51.069 --> 00:21:53.630
30 years later, they're probably one of the biggest

00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:57.049
bands in the world. Also, if you go back to the

00:21:57.049 --> 00:22:00.970
beginnings of Tool, didn't they record their

00:22:00.970 --> 00:22:05.230
debut EP at your loft or your apartment? Yes,

00:22:05.230 --> 00:22:09.210
at the Green Jell -O Loft, the live songs for

00:22:09.210 --> 00:22:11.529
Opiate were recorded there on New Year's Eve.

00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:16.930
In fact, all those songs off of Opiate and Undertow

00:22:16.930 --> 00:22:20.150
were all written at the Green Jell -O Loft during

00:22:20.150 --> 00:22:22.890
a period of time where we all lived together.

00:22:23.049 --> 00:22:25.809
So I know what most of the songs are talking

00:22:25.809 --> 00:22:30.049
about and who they're based upon. And pretty

00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:32.970
much the third record, too. But that was kind

00:22:32.970 --> 00:22:35.630
of broken up into a little piece that was wrote.

00:22:35.750 --> 00:22:38.769
But yeah, all those songs, those beginning tool

00:22:38.769 --> 00:22:41.849
songs were all written at the Green Jello Loft,

00:22:41.849 --> 00:22:45.130
all with the same group amount of people. And

00:22:45.130 --> 00:22:49.430
then the last fact that the music nerds like

00:22:49.430 --> 00:22:53.410
me and the Green Jello fans obviously know, but

00:22:53.410 --> 00:22:56.589
the average music listener might not. Maynard

00:22:56.589 --> 00:23:00.700
plays. a role in Three Little Pigs. Yes, he sings

00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.160
the not by the hair of my chinny chin chin part.

00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:07.740
It was Maynard's first gold record of probably

00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:11.220
about 20 now. That was his first official hit

00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:14.200
was Three Little Pigs that he sang of. And that's

00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.319
something that not everybody knows. I think that's

00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.339
a fantastic little nugget there of musical knowledge.

00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:21.400
Yeah, it's hilarious, isn't it? That can end

00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.480
up on Jeopardy one day and that'd be one of the

00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.849
only questions I got right. The guy who sings

00:23:26.849 --> 00:23:29.250
in the greatest band in the world is also the

00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:31.930
singer in the worst band in the world. Is the

00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:35.269
Tool Green Jell -O connection still strong? I

00:23:35.269 --> 00:23:38.509
played with them about maybe three years ago.

00:23:38.569 --> 00:23:42.289
They did a show here in Hollywood, a few shows

00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:44.190
at a place called the Greek Theater, and I came

00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:47.650
out and I did the encore song with Maynard, and

00:23:47.650 --> 00:23:50.549
we did Three Little Pigs for two nights in a

00:23:50.549 --> 00:23:54.750
row in front of 14 ,000 people. And then I just

00:23:54.750 --> 00:23:58.250
saw them a couple of weeks ago in Prague, the

00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:02.869
Czech Republic. I saw a tool on June 5th. They

00:24:02.869 --> 00:24:05.450
were playing a concert there and we were living

00:24:05.450 --> 00:24:08.829
in Prague doing a bunch of touring. And I saw

00:24:08.829 --> 00:24:12.210
on Facebook that they were playing and I messaged

00:24:12.210 --> 00:24:15.630
Danny and he sent me a message back for me to

00:24:15.630 --> 00:24:18.829
just meet him outside around 830. But, you know,

00:24:18.829 --> 00:24:21.289
the last time I saw a tool was like, you know,

00:24:21.289 --> 00:24:26.059
God, 2000. 2005 2003 I don't know really super

00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:30.000
long time ago so I show up at this freaking arena

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.059
with 20 ,000 people trying to find Danny and

00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:35.960
like oh fuck things have changed since the last

00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:37.799
time I saw him where they played in front of

00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:41.400
you know a thousand people so I'm wandering this

00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.940
gigantic arena trying to find him and some strange

00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:47.599
man came up to me and said are you Bill Mann's

00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.440
speaker and I looked up did you know he goes

00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:53.700
Danny said, look for the guy with the alien tattooed

00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:55.680
on his head wearing the boots and the glasses.

00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.819
He goes, and you are the only one. And then he

00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:01.000
immediately grabbed me and brought me directly

00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.859
backstage where there was Tool just sitting there

00:25:03.859 --> 00:25:07.980
hanging out with her kids. And the next thing

00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:10.819
I know, I was drinking their Red Bulls. So going

00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:13.240
back to Three Little Pigs, that's the song that

00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:15.619
really propelled the band into the mainstream

00:25:15.619 --> 00:25:20.319
eye. That video is an iconic MTV music video,

00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:22.880
something that the claymation, everything that

00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.099
was put together. Talk about how that all came

00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:28.619
together, because you did a lot of the production

00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:31.960
work on that video. Oh, yeah. I produced and

00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.299
I directed all the videos. That particular video,

00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:38.240
at the time, I was working at this place called

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.039
E! Entertainment Television. And I was looking

00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.319
for a film camera that would take one frame at

00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.480
a time. And I was asking my cameraman friend.

00:25:48.019 --> 00:25:50.400
And he said, oh, my next door neighbor has one.

00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.940
I could introduce you to him. I said, oh, great.

00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.720
So I go over to his house and the kid's in 12th

00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.519
grade. He's in high school. He's got a one frame

00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.299
camera. And I said, hey, I want to do this claymation

00:26:01.299 --> 00:26:04.000
video. Here's the storyboard. Do you think you

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.180
could pull it off? And he's like, yeah, yeah,

00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:11.059
sure I can. And I gave him $2 ,000. And over

00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:13.220
the next couple of weekends, he just pulled his

00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:15.759
dad's car out of the garage and he filmed it

00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.960
in the garage of the car as a high school student.

00:26:19.339 --> 00:26:21.759
So when he finally handed in a couple of weeks

00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:24.579
later, he only had about like a minute and a

00:26:24.579 --> 00:26:26.660
half of footage and it was a six minute video.

00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:30.119
So I had to slow things down and double up some

00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.460
stuff and patch it up a little bit. But in the

00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:36.519
end, I made the minute and a half video, you

00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.799
know, fill in a six and a half minute, you know,

00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.809
hole. And he wound up being a big famous director

00:26:42.809 --> 00:26:45.549
just literally out of high school. And that was

00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:48.309
his first music video he ever did. And then he

00:26:48.309 --> 00:26:51.029
did Cool Sober right after that. And then he

00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:54.069
did a Danzig video and a Sepultura video and

00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:57.690
things happened. That's quite the roster of videos

00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:00.029
to come in right out of high school with. Yeah,

00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.549
right. You know, some kids don't even know what

00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:05.329
class they want to take in college. Yeah, this

00:27:05.329 --> 00:27:08.329
guy gets it stumbled on him because. You know,

00:27:08.329 --> 00:27:10.450
his next door neighbor, you know, is at work

00:27:10.450 --> 00:27:12.650
and somebody needs a one frame camera and he

00:27:12.650 --> 00:27:15.109
just happened to have it. Talk about right place

00:27:15.109 --> 00:27:16.890
at the right time, right? Yeah, there you go.

00:27:17.390 --> 00:27:21.970
So Serial Killer, the VHS quote unquote movie

00:27:21.970 --> 00:27:25.089
that inspired the Serial Killer soundtrack, which

00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:27.769
is what all the songs are from, included videos

00:27:27.769 --> 00:27:32.470
for each of the album's tracks. Being your first.

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.279
major label release because you did have some

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.539
eps and other albums that were done before being

00:27:37.539 --> 00:27:40.259
signed to zoo what was that creative process

00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:42.400
like and what was the challenge of doing that

00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.039
being your first major label effort well the

00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.440
challenge was actually doing it because you know

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:55.019
lying about doing it was really easy i just simply

00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:59.299
told this gigantic fish story where Not only

00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:01.680
did I have the world's worst, crappiest band,

00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.359
but that I could also make 11 music videos for

00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.500
a super cheap price of 60 grand. And the reality

00:28:09.500 --> 00:28:13.019
was, is I was just talking out my ass. I didn't

00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:16.079
know how to make any videos. I worked at E! Entertainment

00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.079
Television, you know, as a runner. You know,

00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.559
hey, somebody needed coffee or a donut, I was

00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.140
the guy that got it. But somehow I elaborated

00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.519
on my job and made it sound like I was some sort

00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.099
of... video producer, director, whatever it was

00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:33.279
to get the money. And then all of a sudden I

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.359
got the money and I'm like, realizing like, oh

00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:38.480
fuck, I got to do this shit now. And so I went

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.160
and, you know, I got 11 music videos to do. The

00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.039
first one I start off is a song called Serial

00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.579
Killer. And it literally took me two months,

00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:51.460
two months of filming, two months of lighting,

00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:54.099
two months of editing, two months of stress.

00:28:54.380 --> 00:28:56.940
By the end of it, I thought I was going to. fucking

00:28:56.940 --> 00:29:01.359
die and i still had 10 more to go i was like

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.819
oh fuck my life what was i doing why did i tell

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:06.900
these people that i could do this i hate this

00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.400
oh my god and so finally it just came to this

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.440
choice is like i could no longer hopefully just

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.240
make all these music videos on the weekend with

00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.559
my friends that i would have to actually quit

00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.059
my job and focus and actually do this so on march

00:29:23.059 --> 00:29:29.299
17th 1992 I quit my job, and every day, all I

00:29:29.299 --> 00:29:33.680
did, every day, nonstop, was I shot videos, I

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.339
lit videos, I edited videos, I directed videos,

00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:41.240
I produced videos. By the end of June, I had

00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.579
made 11 music videos, and the last one that I

00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:47.619
made, I shot it in the morning, and I edited

00:29:47.619 --> 00:29:50.240
it in the afternoon, and it was done by the end

00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.960
of the day, and that was called Electric Carly

00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.210
House of Love. So now I had all my videos. except

00:29:56.210 --> 00:29:58.990
for one, Three Little Pigs was missing because

00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:01.509
they were still animating it. So I hand them

00:30:01.509 --> 00:30:04.569
all in, record company president calls the whole

00:30:04.569 --> 00:30:08.549
office in, like 50 people, forces them to watch

00:30:08.549 --> 00:30:13.069
50 minutes of shit, man, and cow guides are tripping

00:30:13.069 --> 00:30:16.769
on ecstasies. And after it was all done and over,

00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:19.910
it was complete fucking silence, not a clap,

00:30:20.150 --> 00:30:25.769
not a laugh, not a you who, nothing. And I proudly

00:30:25.769 --> 00:30:30.670
and I boldly said, I got one more. I got one

00:30:30.670 --> 00:30:33.890
more. One more to be ready in a couple days.

00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:38.609
And that was it. And it just went brrrr. Like

00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:41.329
there was no hoorah. And they didn't care I had

00:30:41.329 --> 00:30:43.809
one more. So I called up the guy. I said, dude,

00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:47.849
man. He was fucking blue. This is it. We're at

00:30:47.849 --> 00:30:50.690
the last one, man. You got it ready? He's like,

00:30:50.789 --> 00:30:52.849
no, I'm nowhere near ready. How much more did

00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:55.700
you got? minute and a half a minute and a fucking

00:30:55.700 --> 00:31:00.019
half fuck my life so I took that minute and a

00:31:00.019 --> 00:31:02.519
half and I stretched that motherfucker so long

00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.180
so hard and I brought it into the record company

00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:08.420
and I threw it in there and I said this is it

00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:12.839
this is it this is the one totally looked at

00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.539
me like I was completely nuts press play and

00:31:16.539 --> 00:31:20.180
by the end of it he was like ah that's your motherfucking

00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:22.990
hit song Willie This is your million. You fucking

00:31:22.990 --> 00:31:27.650
get it. And within months, $14 million generated

00:31:27.650 --> 00:31:32.930
over $25 million within one year. And I can say

00:31:32.930 --> 00:31:34.990
that my money's part of that bunch, so you're

00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:40.190
welcome. Thank you. Thank you for me not having

00:31:40.190 --> 00:31:44.349
a job since 1992. Well, there you go. For me...

00:31:44.589 --> 00:31:47.529
Being the music nerd that I was all the way growing

00:31:47.529 --> 00:31:51.089
up, Serial Killer was one of those redefining

00:31:51.089 --> 00:31:53.589
musical moments because it was my sense of humor

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:56.569
at the time based with heavy music that I loved.

00:31:56.890 --> 00:32:00.109
One of the tracks on there was a cover of my

00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:02.910
favorite Sex Pistols song, Anarchy in the UK.

00:32:03.349 --> 00:32:07.410
I still play that song. As you should. And as

00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:10.289
I was growing up, I enjoyed the hell out of the

00:32:10.289 --> 00:32:13.640
Flintstones. We've been doing that song since

00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:19.559
1984. So I have to ask, I've read articles about

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.519
the band over the years, and I've heard a story

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.759
that there was an episode of the Flintstones

00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:29.460
that inspired the band to become a band. Kind

00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:35.000
of. I mean, I was very much influenced by the

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.660
Flintstones to have a band, correct. But I would

00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:43.680
say it was more of... The Sex Pistols plus Kiss

00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.980
plus the Flintstones. And that, dear writers,

00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:52.700
is where the musical mashup was born. Yeah, yeah.

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.579
It was just everything that I was exposed to

00:32:55.579 --> 00:33:00.279
as a child in the 60s and the 70s all farted

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.920
out into the 80s. So got a couple of serious

00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.359
topics to talk about here, believe it or not.

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.180
Sure. Obviously, the music industry is a business.

00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.619
Now, in the middle of three little pigs blowing

00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:16.900
up, you guys received a cease and desist because

00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:20.619
of the name Green Jello. Correct. Forcing you

00:33:20.619 --> 00:33:23.859
to change it to Green Jelly, even though with

00:33:23.859 --> 00:33:27.380
the unlot over the Y, it's still Jello, but I'm

00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:30.079
going to digress there. What was it like dealing

00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:33.119
with that kind of controversy at the height of...

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:37.839
this song blowing up it was everything that i

00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:41.440
had hoped it to be my ultimate plan was not only

00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.940
to be the worst band in the world but to also

00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:47.059
disturb the jello company that they would come

00:33:47.059 --> 00:33:49.519
after me and then that would just push me up

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.579
into the stratosphere you know level just like

00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:55.759
you know the underdog being attacked by you know

00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.559
the big brother so you know it was something

00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.940
that i had hope to happen and of course it fell

00:34:01.940 --> 00:34:05.619
right into my plan and it was kind of humorous

00:34:05.619 --> 00:34:08.619
how it all came to be we had just gotten signed

00:34:08.619 --> 00:34:12.639
we had just handed in the record and uh you know

00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:14.519
they knew they had something with the three little

00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.960
pigs and there was this thing going on in new

00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.940
york city at the time called the new music seminar

00:34:19.940 --> 00:34:22.679
it was a big convention where all the record

00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.840
companies all flew to new york city and all these

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.019
bands played and everybody did blah blah blah

00:34:27.019 --> 00:34:31.570
blah So the record company sent us to the new

00:34:31.570 --> 00:34:34.369
music seminar to get some press, to get some

00:34:34.369 --> 00:34:37.869
TV, to get some sort of action. So they put us

00:34:37.869 --> 00:34:41.630
out to be in the schedule to play, and of course

00:34:41.630 --> 00:34:43.730
they didn't want us to play. And then they put

00:34:43.730 --> 00:34:45.909
us out for interviews. Nobody wanted to interview

00:34:45.909 --> 00:34:50.469
us. Nobody wanted to be bothered with us. It

00:34:50.469 --> 00:34:54.090
was the 90s. It was grunge. It was Nirvana. It

00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:57.309
was Stone Temple Pilots. There was no room for

00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:03.909
jackass jello. So completely disturbed and no

00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:07.690
luck at all. The only place that's going to have

00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:12.809
us is this public access channel called Screw

00:35:12.809 --> 00:35:16.789
Magazine Show. And it's a porn show on the porn

00:35:16.789 --> 00:35:19.369
channel. The only place that's going to have

00:35:19.369 --> 00:35:22.989
us, and only because one of my friends as a childhood

00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:26.280
friend works there, and she got us a nerve. So

00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.800
we go on there and I'm dressed up as shit, man.

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.719
And they're interviewing us, blah, blah, blah,

00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:34.019
blah, blah. Things over, complete failure. We're

00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:38.320
all leaving discouraged. As it's airing, as the

00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.440
story goes, according to the newsletter that

00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:45.760
we got, or the notice that we got, a lawyer for

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.679
the Kraft General Foods company was channel surfing.

00:35:50.780 --> 00:35:54.829
And he happened to stop off. At the porn channel

00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:58.710
where a figure named Shitman was representing

00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:03.389
the Jell -O brand product. And for us to immediately

00:36:03.389 --> 00:36:08.489
cease and desist any action of any sort of Shitman

00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:13.809
being associated with their product. And whatever

00:36:13.809 --> 00:36:16.869
it is, decades later, the emoji Shitman is a

00:36:16.869 --> 00:36:21.030
billion dollar thing. And, of course, you know,

00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:24.469
Bill Cosby got in all kinds of trouble. So they

00:36:24.469 --> 00:36:26.909
were just wasting their time with me. But they

00:36:26.909 --> 00:36:29.829
fell into my trap and I got all that free publicity

00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:32.690
and I sold 14 million records. So, ha, ha, ha.

00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:35.789
Yeah, so it definitely goes to prove that no

00:36:35.789 --> 00:36:40.050
publicity is bad publicity. Right, exactly. And

00:36:40.050 --> 00:36:44.010
you know what? And on that same day, as we left

00:36:44.010 --> 00:36:47.719
discouraged. From the porn magazine show, the

00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:50.239
only interview we had. And we're walking down

00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.679
freaking Madison Avenue in New York City with

00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:56.980
our costumes. What building do we pass? Marvel

00:36:56.980 --> 00:37:02.500
Comics. No, you didn't. So in our never break

00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:05.360
spirit, we said, fuck it. Put on the costumes.

00:37:06.139 --> 00:37:09.460
Let's walk on in. See what's going to happen.

00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:11.460
And of course, they thought we were supposed

00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:14.329
to be there. So they fucking. Then it's right

00:37:14.329 --> 00:37:16.489
up on the elevator. And next thing I know, I'm

00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:18.590
in the main comic book room where they're fucking

00:37:18.590 --> 00:37:22.949
writing Spider -Man. What? And I mean, Stan Lee

00:37:22.949 --> 00:37:26.650
and all the fucking artists there. Oh, my God.

00:37:26.650 --> 00:37:28.389
And next thing you know, we're all taking pictures

00:37:28.389 --> 00:37:29.909
and blah, blah, blah. And I'm inside fucking

00:37:29.909 --> 00:37:32.530
Stan Lee's office. And I'm pitching him, hey,

00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:35.050
we can make this song for your new Spider -Man

00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:37.590
character, Carnage. We'll call it Carnage Rules.

00:37:38.150 --> 00:37:40.150
And next thing you know, I'm fucking writing

00:37:40.150 --> 00:37:43.880
a Marvel song with... Stan Lee for the new Spider

00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.860
-Man comic. I did not know that. We were just

00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:49.320
walking down the street because nobody would

00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:53.000
talk to us. And we happened to pass Marvel Comics

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.599
with the costumes. Like, fuck it. Let's go in

00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.579
and try. That is a hell of a story. And I guess

00:37:58.579 --> 00:38:01.360
the moral of that story is you'll never know

00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.840
unless you pick up the phone and try. You know,

00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.860
the more you do, the more chances you have of

00:38:06.860 --> 00:38:08.739
succeeding. You know, you're just going to sit

00:38:08.739 --> 00:38:12.280
around. and contemplate all the odds of failing,

00:38:12.380 --> 00:38:18.599
I can tell you 99 reasons why I cannot sell a

00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.119
record. But I'll give you one reason how I can

00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.800
sell 15 million records. I'm waiting. Because

00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.130
I stayed focused. at the 1 % chance of winning,

00:38:30.269 --> 00:38:35.150
and I did not allow the 99 reasons of why not

00:38:35.150 --> 00:38:38.349
to enter the arena to discourage me from the

00:38:38.349 --> 00:38:41.010
goal that I was set out to do. Bill, can you

00:38:41.010 --> 00:38:42.789
come work for me for a little while and kind

00:38:42.789 --> 00:38:46.130
of inspire my crew to do the same thing? It works

00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:49.429
for me. You know, I've used this attitude since

00:38:49.429 --> 00:38:55.480
I quit my job in 92. I don't work. And on planes,

00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.239
I fly to exotic places. I play amazing concerts.

00:38:59.539 --> 00:39:02.579
I meet amazing musicians. You know, I have a

00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:05.840
wonderful family life. I don't waste my life

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.760
going to a place that I hate. And the only reason

00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:13.480
I don't do that is because I didn't listen to

00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.440
all those naysayers. Oh, you don't have any musical

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.119
talent? Come on. If you're going to be in a band,

00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.260
you've got to leave. be able to say, you know,

00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.059
that there was common sense stuff that I wasn't

00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:31.260
even listening to. This is reality stuff. Again,

00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:34.179
I'm not making the part up about me having no

00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:36.500
musical ability. I don't know how the fuck I

00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:39.320
pulled this off. But somehow I'm on a jukebox.

00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.360
Somehow I'm on the Billboard Hot 100 list. Somehow

00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.519
I'm on the Grammy list. I don't know. I blame

00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.800
the aliens. You were also on Kellogg's list because

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.000
they were pretty pissed off about the Toucan

00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.280
Sam snack Crackle Pop and Lucky Leprechaun murders.

00:39:59.780 --> 00:40:03.659
All that had happened was the first one to come.

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.760
You know, Jello and then the rest of them all

00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.380
came and then all of a sudden everybody was ripping

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:11.619
apart my video picture. I mean, you know, just

00:40:11.619 --> 00:40:14.940
being complete jackasses. And the only people

00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:18.570
that were really cool about it was... Hannah

00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:22.889
Barbera, who controls Flintstones. And I'll make

00:40:22.889 --> 00:40:26.230
a couple of minor adjustments on the Anarchy

00:40:26.230 --> 00:40:28.710
and Bedrock video, a couple of questionable sees

00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:31.909
of the puppets. And of course, I said yes. And

00:40:31.909 --> 00:40:33.590
they said, you know, you help us, we'll help

00:40:33.590 --> 00:40:36.590
you. And next thing you know, I'm pitching cartoons

00:40:36.590 --> 00:40:39.849
to the president of Hannah Barbera. They're calling

00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:42.670
me in for secret meetings. You know, I'm doing

00:40:42.670 --> 00:40:45.289
other soundtracks for other, you know, cartoon

00:40:45.289 --> 00:40:48.199
projects. I'm doing editing production stuff

00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.900
for them. So, you know, not all, you know, is

00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:54.460
aggressive. Not all of it was change your name

00:40:54.460 --> 00:40:57.139
or take your money. You know, some of it was,

00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.980
you know, maybe if you fix this, you know, you

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.659
help us, we'll help you. So, you know, a lot

00:41:02.659 --> 00:41:05.559
of good things came out of, you know, having

00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.539
taken a lot of, you know, risks, you know. Yeah,

00:41:08.539 --> 00:41:11.059
of course. Without risk, there's no reward. Yeah,

00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.769
that's true. And you would think that these two

00:41:13.769 --> 00:41:16.110
instances could be considered parody and satire.

00:41:16.110 --> 00:41:18.769
Isn't that accurate? Well, yeah, that's correct.

00:41:18.889 --> 00:41:23.210
You know, back in 1993, the parody law was just

00:41:23.210 --> 00:41:26.010
being passed literally in the summer of 1993.

00:41:26.389 --> 00:41:28.969
So this was something that we were all debating.

00:41:29.150 --> 00:41:32.590
But even though the law had just passed, nobody

00:41:32.590 --> 00:41:36.250
had gone against it and, you know, made the restraints

00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:39.090
or the limitations or, you know, made a case

00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:43.360
against it. And so it was decided that we took

00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.420
that route, you know, and went with the parody

00:41:46.420 --> 00:41:48.760
thing that it was just really going to cost us

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.559
a lot of money. It was all pocket. You know,

00:41:52.579 --> 00:41:55.420
the record company was willing to put up all

00:41:55.420 --> 00:41:58.719
the money that I needed to fight it. But mathematically,

00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:00.860
I would have just wound up with nothing. And

00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:03.239
I'd be working at the Walmart right now. And

00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.130
pick and choose your battles, right? Yeah, so

00:42:06.130 --> 00:42:08.909
I would much rather call it jelly and not have

00:42:08.909 --> 00:42:11.940
a job and call it jello and Be working at Walmart.

00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.760
There you go. There you go. So there was one

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.059
other instance with that album because it did

00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:19.460
bring with it a lot of controversy. I'm going

00:42:19.460 --> 00:42:21.840
to go back to a band that I'm sure you've heard

00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.340
of. They're called Scatterbrain. They had an

00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:26.860
album out that had a song on it called Down With

00:42:26.860 --> 00:42:30.139
The Ship. And that song included tons of riffs

00:42:30.139 --> 00:42:33.460
done in a satirical nature. The first time I

00:42:33.460 --> 00:42:36.480
heard Electric Harley House of Love, I assumed.

00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:39.489
the same thing went for Enter Sandman, and it

00:42:39.489 --> 00:42:41.929
would have fallen under the same category based

00:42:41.929 --> 00:42:45.969
on the lyrics you sang immediately after the

00:42:45.969 --> 00:42:48.949
solo section. Right. So I have to ask, what brought

00:42:48.949 --> 00:42:51.750
up that instance with Elektra and Metallica and

00:42:51.750 --> 00:42:54.130
the whole Nine Yards with that song? Well, it

00:42:54.130 --> 00:42:57.210
came to be like, you know, we had the hit song

00:42:57.210 --> 00:42:59.909
and they were looking for a second single. And

00:42:59.909 --> 00:43:02.130
we had, you know, stolen the Metallica riff.

00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:06.239
And so the record company actually... contacted

00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:08.039
metallica and asked them if they wanted to be

00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.980
in the video and they said oh sure you know we

00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:13.059
like green gel we'd love to be in the video send

00:43:13.059 --> 00:43:15.900
us the song and they sent the song and then they

00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:18.239
heard the riff that we stole and then they told

00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:22.059
us no and that we owed them money oh oh wow so

00:43:22.059 --> 00:43:23.860
they never showed up in the video and i had to

00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:27.239
pay him 10 grand oh geez but then on subsequent

00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.530
releases It was edited very well, let me tell

00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:32.989
you. For the new releases, you wouldn't know.

00:43:33.349 --> 00:43:35.829
But knowing that it is Enter Sam, you can go

00:43:35.829 --> 00:43:37.610
back and listen and be like, I see where they

00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:40.449
cut the guitar there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:40.730 --> 00:43:43.909
10 grand and fix the song now. Oh, man. I know

00:43:43.909 --> 00:43:46.849
we're not beating your video. So you didn't get

00:43:46.849 --> 00:43:50.449
a duet with Metallica, but you did get one with

00:43:50.449 --> 00:43:53.429
an unlikely duet, if I might say, with Hulk Hogan

00:43:53.429 --> 00:43:55.929
on a cover of Gary Glitter's I'm the Leader of

00:43:55.929 --> 00:43:59.159
the Gang. That is correct. That was a top 40

00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.659
hit in the UK. Yeah, it was. It was my third

00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:06.619
hit song in Europe. Third. There's got to be

00:44:06.619 --> 00:44:08.980
some interesting Hulkamania stories you have

00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:11.539
from the Green Jello universe. How did all that

00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:13.800
go? Well, it was real simple. We were selling,

00:44:14.019 --> 00:44:17.199
again, the whole story about the president of

00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.019
America trying to get the England president to

00:44:20.019 --> 00:44:21.860
put out the record. He said, no, see the record

00:44:21.860 --> 00:44:24.619
out the window. They released it. It wound up

00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:26.340
being the biggest selling thing, blah, blah,

00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:28.900
blah. Oh, they're surprised. So they flew me

00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:31.920
over there. And for like a month, I was just

00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.320
living in London. And I was on TV shows and radio

00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.539
stations. And I just did all this press every

00:44:38.539 --> 00:44:42.500
single day. So one day, I'm literally just sitting

00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:46.980
in the hotel. And I get this call. Hello? Oh,

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.500
Bill Manspeaker there. That's me. Hi, Bill. This

00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:55.059
here is Paul Colgan. I'm like, all right. Hi,

00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.500
Hulk. I'm in town doing a wrestling show. Real

00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:00.260
big fan of your band. I don't know if you've

00:45:00.260 --> 00:45:03.019
known, but I used to play bass and was in a band

00:45:03.019 --> 00:45:05.659
a long time ago. Anyways, I want to record a

00:45:05.659 --> 00:45:08.079
new song with you. I'm going to send out a limo,

00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:09.960
pick you up, bring you to the show. We're going

00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.079
to party afterwards. We'll talk about it after

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.780
the show. Like, Hulk Hogan, you're sending the

00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:19.179
limo, you're picking me up, and we're going to

00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:24.300
party, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, sure. So

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:26.159
I hang up the phone, you know, and I've been

00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.239
in England for a month. I've seen these candid

00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.880
camera shows where they set up people and make

00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.400
them look like asses. They're fine. You want

00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.780
to put me on one of these shows? I'll play. I'll

00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:39.460
play hard. No problem. Hulk Hogan's coming to

00:45:39.460 --> 00:45:42.199
get me. Yeah. So I'm waiting, and I'm waiting.

00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:44.840
All of a sudden, ring. Mr. Man Speaker, your

00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.340
limo's downstairs. I'm like, fuck, all right.

00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:50.659
Let's do this. Get in the limo. No Hulk Hogan.

00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.320
I was like, all right, I got you, fucker. I know

00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.460
what's going on. Ain't no Hulk Hogan in this

00:45:55.460 --> 00:45:58.059
limo. All of a sudden, we pull up to Wimbledon

00:45:58.059 --> 00:46:01.800
Stadium. Door's open. We go inside. There's 100

00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:07.139
,000 fucking people. Oh, Kieran. Door opens up.

00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.739
Fucking Hulk Hogan's on the other side. I'm like,

00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:13.199
what the fuck? And his hand's out. Like, you

00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.460
know, shake my hand. Let me get you out of the

00:46:15.460 --> 00:46:18.889
limo. So I shook his hand. He pulls me out. All

00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:20.250
right, Bill, this is what's going to happen.

00:46:20.289 --> 00:46:21.590
I'm going to go out in the mat, go to a party.

00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:23.150
We're going to get back here. We're going to

00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:24.550
go to Planet Hollywood. We're going to party

00:46:24.550 --> 00:46:28.389
like fucking Mad Men. All right, cool. Boom,

00:46:28.449 --> 00:46:31.309
he goes out of the mat. He wins. The whole place

00:46:31.309 --> 00:46:33.769
erupts. Tops in the limo. Now I'm sitting in

00:46:33.769 --> 00:46:36.829
the limo with fucking, you know, Hulk Hogan and

00:46:36.829 --> 00:46:39.889
The Undertaker and, you know, all these fucking

00:46:39.889 --> 00:46:43.309
wrestling legends that were zooming off to Planet

00:46:43.309 --> 00:46:46.559
Hollywood in fucking London. And next thing I

00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.579
know, I'm at this big giant buffet. We're eating

00:46:49.579 --> 00:46:52.980
and drinking and doing drugs and partying. And

00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:57.639
next thing I know, Simon Cowell from American

00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.780
Isle fucking appears. He's like, I'm going to

00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:02.820
be producing your new record with Hulk. How are

00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.760
you doing? All right. And next thing you know,

00:47:05.860 --> 00:47:08.380
I'm in the recording studio with Hulk Hogan.

00:47:08.900 --> 00:47:12.199
Simon Cowell from American Idol and my dumb ass.

00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:15.519
We're recording some new hit song in a video.

00:47:17.139 --> 00:47:20.159
And there you go. Actually, I would have never

00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.920
put Simon Cowell in that picture. Right? Even

00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.800
crazier, right? Simon Cowell. Simon Cowell and

00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.579
me. Okay? All right, Bill, let's do that again

00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:34.139
one more time. Come on, come on, let's see it.

00:47:34.179 --> 00:47:37.059
All right, here we go. Three, two, one, go. Come

00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:41.500
on, come on, come on. No, Bill. Hang on, Bill.

00:47:41.659 --> 00:47:47.159
Try to sing it on key. What's on key? All right,

00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.519
here we go. Come on, come on. Come on, come on.

00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:56.480
Stop, stop, stop. So the big question here, is

00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.500
Hulk Hogan or Simon Cowell two of the 900 current

00:48:00.500 --> 00:48:03.420
band members? Yes, they are. Of course they are.

00:48:04.849 --> 00:48:08.789
You don't escape being in green jello. Once you're

00:48:08.789 --> 00:48:10.909
in, you're in, right? You're in, man. You're

00:48:10.909 --> 00:48:16.389
in. It's like Lay's potato chip. So outside of

00:48:16.389 --> 00:48:18.610
the green jello universe, you've also done a

00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:22.050
lot of stuff within music videos, including Weird

00:48:22.050 --> 00:48:25.530
Al's Jurassic Park claymation video. Oh, my God.

00:48:25.570 --> 00:48:29.750
Yes, I did. That's amazing. Good for you. You

00:48:29.750 --> 00:48:33.579
also did some stuff with Manson. Tupac. How did

00:48:33.579 --> 00:48:36.139
all those things come out of the green jello

00:48:36.139 --> 00:48:39.079
kind of stratosphere there? Well, all of a sudden

00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.300
I literally had millions of dollars. So I went

00:48:43.300 --> 00:48:48.960
out and I spent $946 ,000 on video production

00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.340
equipment one day. And I bought editing bays

00:48:52.340 --> 00:48:55.679
and television cameras and lights and sound stages

00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.960
and everything that you can imagine. Animation

00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.619
studios, graphics. And I opened up my own production

00:49:02.619 --> 00:49:05.980
company. And for five years in a row, all I did

00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:10.079
was make music videos for bands and commercials

00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.699
and television shows. And I was working at E!

00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:18.579
Entertainment Television until March 17, 1992,

00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:23.519
and I was making $300 a week. Now my job that

00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:27.500
was paying me $1 ,200 a month is now paying me

00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:31.110
$6 ,000 a month. to come over and rent my facility.

00:49:32.070 --> 00:49:35.469
I'm doing nothing. I just got a pay increase

00:49:35.469 --> 00:49:38.730
five times the amount and I'm doing nothing.

00:49:38.969 --> 00:49:43.269
So for five years, all I did was make other people's

00:49:43.269 --> 00:49:46.130
music videos in their production stuff and just

00:49:46.130 --> 00:49:50.769
a lot of like TV commercials, TV shows and music

00:49:50.769 --> 00:49:54.329
just for Hollywood in general. And then. following

00:49:54.329 --> 00:49:57.690
that and then and then you're i'm telling you

00:49:57.690 --> 00:50:00.150
man this story is so interesting to me in so

00:50:00.150 --> 00:50:04.969
many levels in 1997 You met the legendary Doc

00:50:04.969 --> 00:50:08.170
McGee, who, to people that saw Motley Crue's

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:10.949
movie The Dirt on Netflix, knows who we're talking

00:50:10.949 --> 00:50:14.469
about. But beyond managing Motley Crue, he managed

00:50:14.469 --> 00:50:17.909
Bon Jovi, Skid Row, and The Scorpions, a lot

00:50:17.909 --> 00:50:20.730
of the big 80s bands. Yeah, all the 80s bands.

00:50:21.010 --> 00:50:24.130
Yeah. Somehow meeting him connected Green Jello

00:50:24.130 --> 00:50:28.670
and Kiss for their 1997 reunion tour? Oh, yeah.

00:50:28.809 --> 00:50:32.909
Doc was one of my partners in my production company.

00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:35.809
I met him through Lou Malia, the president of

00:50:35.809 --> 00:50:39.050
my record company, and we instantly became friends.

00:50:39.590 --> 00:50:43.190
And Doc set up his whole agency right inside

00:50:43.190 --> 00:50:46.769
Green Jello. And one day he said, I just got

00:50:46.769 --> 00:50:49.170
a call from Gene Simmons. He wants me to go meet

00:50:49.170 --> 00:50:51.969
him and Paul. And they want to talk about this

00:50:51.969 --> 00:50:55.260
Kiss reunion thing. And so he went and had lunch

00:50:55.260 --> 00:50:57.760
with them. He came back with Gene and Paul and

00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.579
brought them to Green Jell -O. I showed him around.

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.860
And then from that moment in time, Peter, Gene,

00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:10.159
Ace, Paul, the entire KISS crew and Doc McGee

00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.760
were at my building every single day for at least

00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:17.699
eight months. And all I did every day is I produced

00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:22.400
KISS videos. photo shoots and we set up tours

00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:26.059
and rehearsals and the entire launch of the kiss

00:51:26.059 --> 00:51:31.539
reunion tour in the mid 90s was all done at green

00:51:31.539 --> 00:51:36.639
jello 100 and obviously that was a massive uh

00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.400
tool oh yeah by any stretch of the imagination

00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.420
oh yeah yeah non -stop i was supposed to be part

00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:44.420
of that whole thing i was supposed to be the

00:51:44.420 --> 00:51:46.800
director to the live video but at that point

00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.719
in time my 24 year old son it Now, he was just

00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.780
born, so I didn't want to be that dad, so I just

00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:56.940
passed on the Kiss thing, and I just stuck with

00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:59.099
the production company thing. But yeah, they've

00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:01.599
been on tour since the day they left my office

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:06.219
in 1997. Well, after that, there was a bit of

00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:08.320
a hiatus for Green Jell -O, and you went and

00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.460
owned and operated the Cutopia Hollywood Nightclub,

00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.360
and you did other ventures for several years.

00:52:14.420 --> 00:52:17.380
Right, so from 95 to 2000, I owned the production

00:52:17.380 --> 00:52:26.409
company. 2000 to 2005, I owned the largest rave

00:52:26.409 --> 00:52:30.110
club in Los Angeles. I had the very first legal

00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:33.909
electronic dance club. That was back when it

00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:36.590
used to be done in warehouses and stuff and all

00:52:36.590 --> 00:52:41.989
legally. I spent $2 million and I got permits

00:52:41.989 --> 00:52:45.309
in a building and I started the first electronic

00:52:45.309 --> 00:52:48.760
music scene in Los Angeles. which is now the

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.699
biggest music scene that there is in Hollywood.

00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.900
Yeah, that's definitely true. Now, moving from

00:52:55.900 --> 00:52:58.860
that, what I also thought was interesting was

00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:01.619
that your son, of all people, was what led you

00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:04.619
back to the Green Jell -O machine. Right, yeah.

00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:09.260
When he was 13 years old, which was 2008, I asked

00:53:09.260 --> 00:53:12.380
him what he wanted to do for his summer vacation,

00:53:12.619 --> 00:53:14.699
and he said, let's put the band back together

00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:18.510
and go out on tour. So from 2008 till now, which

00:53:18.510 --> 00:53:21.530
is 11 years, I've been doing it nonstop. He's

00:53:21.530 --> 00:53:28.829
now 24 and he lives in China and he is a teacher.

00:53:28.929 --> 00:53:33.369
He teaches theater in China to little children.

00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:38.110
Awesome. Awesome. So fast forwarding into the

00:53:38.110 --> 00:53:42.849
2010 area here, you guys did a bunch of shows.

00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:46.159
with the Insane Clown Posse, including several

00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.679
of the Gathering of the Juggalos events. I'm

00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.739
curious, how did the Juggalo crowd embrace the

00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:55.780
band? And was there any pause on your part, given

00:53:55.780 --> 00:53:59.559
the negative press that ICP received over the

00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.900
last 10 years? All I got to say is the Juggalos

00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:07.380
are an amazing group of people. Whatever hype

00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:09.760
that there is out about them, it's just a bunch

00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.760
of bullshit. It's just a bunch of... Kids and

00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.619
young adults dressed up in clown makeup, you

00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:19.320
know, having a good time singing songs. It's

00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.480
really nothing like they make it seem to be like

00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.760
anything else. And the whole Juggalo community

00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.019
just really embraces our band. We've always had

00:54:29.019 --> 00:54:31.719
an amazing experience with the Juggalos. And

00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.119
the Insane Clown Posse is one of the greatest

00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.630
bands that I ever hated in my entire life. So

00:54:37.630 --> 00:54:41.030
we talk a lot about streaming music versus the

00:54:41.030 --> 00:54:43.829
physical medium. And Green Jello really started

00:54:43.829 --> 00:54:46.829
with the physical medium, the VHS tapes, the

00:54:46.829 --> 00:54:48.369
cassettes. I mean, we're going all the way back

00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:51.869
with your original demos. And now on your Facebook

00:54:51.869 --> 00:54:55.110
page, you guys list that between 2010 and present,

00:54:55.190 --> 00:54:59.130
you've sold over a million songs on iTunes. So

00:54:59.130 --> 00:55:02.210
I'm curious, from someone who's been on both

00:55:02.210 --> 00:55:08.340
sides of that spectrum, compared to the physical,

00:55:08.420 --> 00:55:12.179
tangible CD and record sales to you, the artist?

00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.119
Well, what I did and what everyone else did for

00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:21.199
the last 80 years is we all signed these contracts.

00:55:21.739 --> 00:55:26.159
Every single one of us signed these contracts

00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.800
with this clause on it. It said, future technology

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.800
rights. Oh. And it gave us a really super low

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.420
percentage rate. Of course. And for the last

00:55:38.420 --> 00:55:42.639
50, 60, 70 years, it was laughed upon. And because

00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.280
all that was, there was records, there was consents,

00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.340
there was 8 -tracks, you know, anything else

00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:50.900
was a pipe dream. Right, right. And so now, you

00:55:50.900 --> 00:55:52.599
don't have to press a record, you don't have

00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.579
to ship a record, you don't have to do nothing.

00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.239
You buy the record and it's digitally downloaded

00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.820
for a dollar. They pay the artist one -tenth

00:56:01.820 --> 00:56:05.099
of one penny. and then they keep the rest. So

00:56:05.099 --> 00:56:09.059
of that million songs that I sold on iTunes,

00:56:09.460 --> 00:56:12.739
I got 10 grand, while the record company got

00:56:12.739 --> 00:56:19.360
$990 ,000. Wow. So every time that you hear that,

00:56:19.420 --> 00:56:22.719
when you steal from the internet, you steal from

00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.000
the artist, that is the greatest lie that was

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.960
ever created by the music industry to make you

00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:33.860
feel guilty into buying. Their CD that they stole

00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:37.139
from the artists. And they're going to keep all

00:56:37.139 --> 00:56:39.260
that money. You weren't stealing from the artists.

00:56:39.380 --> 00:56:42.039
You were stealing from their hooker and cocaine

00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:46.500
account. The artists never get that money. They

00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:49.699
had this technology in the 50s. They just didn't

00:56:49.699 --> 00:56:52.559
have everybody in the world applying to it. And

00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.019
they knew that someday they would. And so they

00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:57.780
got all these chumps to sign away all their rights.

00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:01.900
So now these record companies. They don't have

00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:04.219
to pay nobody anything. And the fractions of

00:57:04.219 --> 00:57:06.340
the money that they pay them is nothing. And

00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:08.159
they don't got to manufacture. They don't got

00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.739
to distribute. They don't have to do anything.

00:57:10.340 --> 00:57:13.840
It's all a download. All right. Well, this has

00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.000
been awesome. We got, I know you got the kids

00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.019
around, you got a lot going on, but we do have

00:57:18.019 --> 00:57:21.980
one very, very important, quite important question.

00:57:22.539 --> 00:57:26.820
What do we have to do to be in green jello? How

00:57:26.820 --> 00:57:29.119
do we get in on that? Oh, that's easy. Where

00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.510
do you live? We're in New Jersey. Cool. I have

00:57:32.510 --> 00:57:36.369
some shows in your area in August, and I will

00:57:36.369 --> 00:57:38.550
make sure that you play them. Hell yeah. That's

00:57:38.550 --> 00:57:39.889
what we're talking about, brother. It's really

00:57:39.889 --> 00:57:42.949
that easy. Bill Mann Speaker. Yes, sir. Green

00:57:42.949 --> 00:57:45.710
Jello. Thank you so much for joining us. This

00:57:45.710 --> 00:57:47.929
has been a blast. Oh, you're welcome, my friend.

00:57:48.010 --> 00:57:51.170
Thank you. I wasn't kidding when I said this

00:57:51.170 --> 00:57:53.170
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