WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 You wanted the best. You got the best. The hottest 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:07.019 podcast in the world. My weekly mixtape with 00:00:07.019 --> 00:00:10.560 my man, Brian. I'm Don Jameson, and I'm going 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:13.720 to be bringing you on this episode, my ultimate 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:28.940 kiss concert set list. So crank it up. Welcome 00:00:28.940 --> 00:00:31.679 to My Weekly Mixtape, a podcast that takes the 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.979 classic mixtape approach to building a modern 00:00:34.979 --> 00:00:37.740 playlist. I'm your host, Brian Colburn. From 00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:40.960 his 14 -season run on VH1 Classics' That Metal 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.259 Show to sold -out comedy shows, I'm excited to 00:00:44.259 --> 00:00:47.500 welcome back Pantheon Podcast Network mate and 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:50.719 co -host of the Rockstrap Podcast, the music 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.299 encyclopedia known as Don Jameson. Don, welcome 00:00:54.299 --> 00:00:56.990 back to the show, my friend. Brian, thanks for 00:00:56.990 --> 00:00:59.670 having me back. It's always, you know, usually 00:00:59.670 --> 00:01:02.450 when you do a podcast and people like ask, oh, 00:01:02.490 --> 00:01:04.310 could you prepare? And you're like, you know, 00:01:04.409 --> 00:01:06.629 I don't. But this is one I look forward to. Like, 00:01:06.670 --> 00:01:09.950 I know I got to prep and do my homework when 00:01:09.950 --> 00:01:12.829 I come on this podcast. And, you know, we're 00:01:12.829 --> 00:01:17.750 going to talk about my gateway band to all heavy 00:01:17.750 --> 00:01:21.090 music. Kiss. I'm excited. Well, before we talk 00:01:21.090 --> 00:01:23.290 about the band, considering how many concerts 00:01:23.290 --> 00:01:26.760 you've been to. Over the years, what would you 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:31.420 say is the art of a band crafting a perfect set 00:01:31.420 --> 00:01:34.280 list? Well, I think it's different, obviously, 00:01:34.420 --> 00:01:37.519 with Kiss, which is a fun dynamic of it, which 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.079 is, you know, you don't want to have five Paul 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.939 songs in a row or five Gene songs in a row. And 00:01:42.939 --> 00:01:45.620 it's about getting the right mix of, you know, 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.299 obviously the original band being, you know, 00:01:48.299 --> 00:01:52.519 all four members eventually singing. live. So 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.920 that's sort of the extra element of putting together 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.640 the ultimate KISS set list is you've got to take 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:03.680 that into account. As far as anybody else, it's 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.099 sort of like coming up with a flow for your album. 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.680 It's got to tell some kind of story. It doesn't 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.509 have to be a concept record in any way. the the 00:02:14.509 --> 00:02:18.909 concert has to flow just like the albums do although 00:02:18.909 --> 00:02:23.840 now we live in a singles music scene. But yeah, 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.500 live, you know, you're trying to mix. And then 00:02:26.500 --> 00:02:28.099 this other part is you're trying to mix stuff 00:02:28.099 --> 00:02:30.840 from the 70s with stuff from the 90s or beyond, 00:02:31.099 --> 00:02:33.860 you know, more modern stuff. With Kiss, I don't 00:02:33.860 --> 00:02:36.259 think there wasn't anything in the 2000s, so 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:38.780 that made it a little easier. Yes, believe it 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:41.020 or not, there was nothing from Sonic Boom or 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:44.419 Monster. It's a spoiler alert already. Yeah, 00:02:44.419 --> 00:02:48.669 yeah, spoilers. So then you craft your comedy 00:02:48.669 --> 00:02:51.729 set lists. Would you consider there to be a challenge 00:02:51.729 --> 00:02:54.289 in crafting a comedy set list that would be similar 00:02:54.289 --> 00:02:58.650 to a band crafting a concert set list? Yeah, 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:01.710 but the difference is I always hope mine goes 00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:07.330 off the rails. Because I like the unexpected. 00:03:07.449 --> 00:03:10.189 I like sort of walking the tightrope, the danger 00:03:10.189 --> 00:03:13.150 and whether or not, what can I create in the 00:03:13.150 --> 00:03:16.750 moment or what else can I add on? you know, improvise 00:03:16.750 --> 00:03:20.310 into an existing bit. Whereas, you know, most 00:03:20.310 --> 00:03:23.550 bands, they craft a set list and that's it. They 00:03:23.550 --> 00:03:26.150 stick with it and they play that the whole tour. 00:03:26.289 --> 00:03:28.889 And maybe they'll switch out a song here or a 00:03:28.889 --> 00:03:31.669 song there. But for the most part, they stay 00:03:31.669 --> 00:03:35.430 with that exact flow. And one of the things that 00:03:35.430 --> 00:03:38.469 I hated when I found out, you know, it broke 00:03:38.469 --> 00:03:41.409 the fourth wall for me, you know, as a young 00:03:41.409 --> 00:03:46.080 guy, as a KISS fan was. hearing the rehearsal 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.680 for Kiss Alive 2 and Paul, he's rehearsing those 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.840 stage raps and they're exactly the same as they 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.800 are on the album. I'm like, I thought that he's 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.229 just cool up there. you know, coming off the 00:04:01.229 --> 00:04:03.750 top of his head with this stuff, but that's all 00:04:03.750 --> 00:04:05.990 rehearsed as well. So, and some bands do that 00:04:05.990 --> 00:04:08.330 every city, it's the same stage raps in between 00:04:08.330 --> 00:04:11.250 the same songs, but with comedy, yeah, I like 00:04:11.250 --> 00:04:13.789 it to go. There should be a method to the madness, 00:04:13.849 --> 00:04:16.370 but sometimes the madness takes over and that's 00:04:16.370 --> 00:04:21.430 okay. Well, Kiss has 20 studio albums and tonight 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:23.310 you've already spoiled that you're not doing 00:04:23.310 --> 00:04:25.689 anything off Sonic Boomer Monster. So let's whittle 00:04:25.689 --> 00:04:29.399 that down to 18. you still have to take 18 albums 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.560 worth of Kiss music and whittle it down to a 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.819 12 -song set list. So even if you were only going 00:04:35.819 --> 00:04:38.160 to pull one song per album, you're leaving six 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.120 off the board there, and that's not counting 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.420 their soundtracks, compilation tunes, stuff that 00:04:44.420 --> 00:04:46.319 have been, you know, like singles here and there, 00:04:46.379 --> 00:04:50.660 B -sides. Given how passionate Kiss fans are 00:04:50.660 --> 00:04:53.699 around the world, what would you say is the hardest 00:04:53.699 --> 00:04:57.379 part? of narrowing down their entire catalog 00:04:57.379 --> 00:05:01.019 to this 12 -song set list? I got to tell you, 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.660 Brian, it was way easier than I thought. Oh! 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.360 It really was. I, you know, I started, well, 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:11.560 okay, I came up with the first song and it kind 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.319 of flowed after that. And, you know, obviously 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.139 there's, for a lot of people, I mean, I think 00:05:18.139 --> 00:05:19.600 a lot of people who are going to listen to this 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.439 are going to be Kiss geeks like we are. And I 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.459 think they're going to be... The song, the obvious 00:05:25.459 --> 00:05:27.800 songs that are left off the table, I think people 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.459 are going to find that refreshing. Like, we all 00:05:31.459 --> 00:05:34.019 know these bands that they've been playing that 00:05:34.019 --> 00:05:37.220 song for 50 years. And it's kind of like, I don't 00:05:37.220 --> 00:05:40.180 need to hear it every show. You know, I won't 00:05:40.180 --> 00:05:43.199 miss it if it's not there. Now, of course, you 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.439 know, if you have a huge song and, you know, 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.699 the bands that have, you know, super big songs 00:05:48.699 --> 00:05:51.800 and they play it live, I get into it. But it 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.220 wouldn't hurt me if they left it off. So there's 00:05:54.220 --> 00:05:56.939 definitely some very, very notable exceptions 00:05:56.939 --> 00:06:00.069 on my list. 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Now, Don, you're sitting 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.540 front row center because it's your concert, so 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:35.279 you obviously got the best seats in the house. 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.860 The lights cut out, and you hear you wanted the 00:06:38.860 --> 00:06:41.980 best, you got the best, the hottest band in the 00:06:41.980 --> 00:06:46.060 world, KISS, blaring from the speakers at maximum 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:49.339 volume. What song is kicking off your ultimate 00:06:49.339 --> 00:06:53.350 KISS concert? Well, you know, it's got to be 00:06:53.350 --> 00:06:57.870 obviously a song that they've opened with forever 00:06:57.870 --> 00:07:02.389 and on many, many tours. They've had other openers, 00:07:02.389 --> 00:07:05.889 but this is the first Kiss song that I ever heard 00:07:05.889 --> 00:07:08.860 in my life. This is... Somehow convincing my 00:07:08.860 --> 00:07:12.259 mother to go out and buy me Kiss Destroyer, much 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:16.439 to her chagrin. She wanted no part of getting 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.879 me, you know, these guys in makeup and crazy 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.079 outfits. But I convinced her and I put the needle 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.800 on the record and Detroit Rock City just blew 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.139 my mind out as a 12 -year -old or 11 -year -old, 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:34.300 however old I was at the time. And it's a great, 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.899 it's just the quintessential opener. When they've 00:07:37.899 --> 00:07:40.740 opened with other songs over the years, you know, 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.180 there's some good ones, but this is the quintessential 00:07:43.180 --> 00:07:45.000 one. You've got to open the show with Detroit 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.259 Rock City. Well, I was just going to say, there 00:07:47.259 --> 00:07:50.019 are some other Kiss concert openers that I think 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:54.660 might make a decent argument, if not alone, just 00:07:54.660 --> 00:07:58.339 for Alive, the opening of Deuce. I feel like 00:07:58.339 --> 00:08:00.480 that's one of the few songs that you could really 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.860 say somebody can make a decent argument for, 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.610 but otherwise... This kind of has to be. It's 00:08:06.610 --> 00:08:09.509 the album opener on Destroyer. It's also the 00:08:09.509 --> 00:08:12.610 song that I discovered Kiss with. My parents 00:08:12.610 --> 00:08:16.410 owned Destroyer. And I think the story is my 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:19.649 mom bought it for Beth. My dad stayed for the 00:08:19.649 --> 00:08:23.649 rest of the album. Oh, that's great. But I mean, 00:08:23.649 --> 00:08:26.850 when it comes to opening up any of the Kiss concerts 00:08:26.850 --> 00:08:29.430 since Destroyer, I think it's pretty hard to 00:08:29.430 --> 00:08:33.379 deny. detroit rock city in any way shape or form 00:08:33.379 --> 00:08:36.080 i don't honestly think in the last 20 years they 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.320 opened with anything else i maybe i'm wrong but 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.639 i think it's been pretty consistent yeah well 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:44.919 definitely on the the end of the road tour right 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:46.879 this was this was the opener straight through 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:52.460 so um which lasted about 20 years and it's such 00:08:52.460 --> 00:08:54.879 a dark you know it's funny though because i didn't 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:57.440 For whatever reason, I didn't pick up when I 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.440 was young, but it's a dark song, man. It's about 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.779 someone drinking and driving and getting high 00:09:01.779 --> 00:09:04.200 in their car and they crash head on at the end. 00:09:04.580 --> 00:09:07.019 For whatever reason, that just didn't strike 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:09.659 me. When I was a kid, I guess I was just more 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:12.799 caught up in the energy of the song and just 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:15.019 that feeling of like, yeah, on your way to go 00:09:15.019 --> 00:09:18.940 see Kiss play in concert. But then as the years 00:09:18.940 --> 00:09:22.120 go on, I go, wow, this song's kind of dark. All 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.399 right. Well, what do you follow that up with 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.830 for track two? Well, a song that they have also 00:09:27.830 --> 00:09:31.110 opened up shows with over the years, the title 00:09:31.110 --> 00:09:35.649 track from the really, really great album Creatures 00:09:35.649 --> 00:09:38.769 of the Night. And that is right out of Detroit 00:09:38.769 --> 00:09:40.950 Rock City into Creatures of the Night. I mean, 00:09:40.970 --> 00:09:44.669 that is a one -two punch. That is, yeah, that's 00:09:44.669 --> 00:09:46.830 just a smack in the face right there. You're 00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:49.169 giving Paul the weight right up front. Two back 00:09:49.169 --> 00:09:51.610 -to -back songs, two album openers back -to -back, 00:09:51.649 --> 00:09:54.600 which I really like. My history with this album 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.299 is actually a funny one because creatures of 00:09:57.299 --> 00:10:01.320 the night was one of those 10 CDs for a penny 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.399 that I got from Columbia house. And I was all 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:08.220 excited. And I opened up my box of 10 CDs and 00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:10.259 I going through them. And all of a sudden I pull 00:10:10.259 --> 00:10:13.679 out this album cover of creatures of the night 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.559 and they're not wearing the makeup. And I'm like, 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.639 what the hell is this? And for some reason they 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.299 pressed a alternate cover with the band sans 00:10:24.299 --> 00:10:28.620 makeup for CD. And I still have it to this day. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.340 And I just think it's an odd set piece in my 00:10:31.340 --> 00:10:33.899 kiss catalog. Cause it's not the album cover 00:10:33.899 --> 00:10:37.080 that everybody knows the blue tint and, and, 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.399 and just the creatures of the night album cover. 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.460 Yeah. But, and it's not, um, that's not a song. 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:45.840 I mean, that's not, um, who's on there. It's 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.639 Bruce Kulik on this one. Who wasn't even in the 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.019 band, right, at the time. Right. And he didn't 00:10:51.019 --> 00:10:53.159 even play on the album. Yeah. Yeah, I forget. 00:10:53.620 --> 00:10:55.440 He's the only person who didn't play on that 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.659 album, by the way. There's like 700 guest musicians 00:10:58.659 --> 00:11:02.279 on that record. But yeah, for whatever reason, 00:11:02.379 --> 00:11:05.080 there's a couple different. versions of that 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.000 cover i guess for different parts of the world 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.539 and or whatever eddie trunk would know the the 00:11:09.539 --> 00:11:11.779 story off the top of his head but unfortunately 00:11:11.779 --> 00:11:14.419 i don't have that information but that album 00:11:14.419 --> 00:11:17.100 from top to bottom it's a top three kiss album 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:20.120 for me and there were there's another song from 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:23.159 this uh album again not to get too far ahead 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.120 but there is another song off this album i put 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.840 on the the set list i could have went with Almost 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.419 anything on this record. I really love Creatures 00:11:31.419 --> 00:11:33.960 of the Night. So having that one, like I said, 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:35.799 having that one -two punch at the top of the 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:40.000 concert there, as a fan, I'd be going wild. All 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.159 right. Well, you've got two album openers. Are 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.399 we going for three album openers in a row for 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.299 track three? We are not. All right. We're actually 00:11:47.299 --> 00:11:51.950 taking a hard left turn. Courtesy of Gene Simmons, 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:53.809 because we've got to get Gene singing here now, 00:11:53.889 --> 00:11:57.809 right? Mm -hmm. Fits like a glove. Wow. Going 00:11:57.809 --> 00:12:01.769 deep for track three. Yeah. Well, you know what? 00:12:01.830 --> 00:12:06.169 It's such a weirdo Kiss song. You know, just 00:12:06.169 --> 00:12:11.250 the song structure and those two screams that 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:15.509 Gene has in there are really intense. You know, 00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:19.330 they're sort of the typical. you know, juvenile 00:12:19.330 --> 00:12:23.230 Jean lyrics. Cause when I go through her, it's 00:12:23.230 --> 00:12:27.110 just like a hot knife through butter, you know, 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:32.470 but the song has so much energy to it. They did 00:12:32.470 --> 00:12:35.389 play this live. You can find those on YouTube 00:12:35.389 --> 00:12:39.350 and, um, They played it through the Bruce Kulik 00:12:39.350 --> 00:12:43.889 years as well. And it's just got a great energy 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:48.309 to it. It's a little bit different. And like 00:12:48.309 --> 00:12:50.409 I said, Gene, it really shows off Gene's voice. 00:12:50.909 --> 00:12:53.049 This is one of those songs that I don't think 00:12:53.049 --> 00:12:56.610 they've played it after the 1990 tour. I don't 00:12:56.610 --> 00:12:59.460 think this ever shows up again. Do you think 00:12:59.460 --> 00:13:00.960 that this could have worked on the end of the 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.679 road tour? Because I don't know. There's it's 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.080 a little tough with that final tour. I feel like 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.980 this has a place in history, so to speak. I just 00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:13.080 don't know where that stands. And I love the 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:14.919 fact that you went with this because of the fact 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:17.399 that in the 80s, it was pretty much a staple 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.580 for them. Yeah, I think, you know, the problem 00:13:20.580 --> 00:13:24.320 is for Kiss, not for me, because I would love 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.399 for them to have that in the set list on the 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.269 end of the road. The problem is, what do you 00:13:29.269 --> 00:13:32.309 what from that record are you taking out? Are 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:34.830 you going to play Lick It Up? You know, are you 00:13:34.830 --> 00:13:36.789 not going to play All Hell's Breaking Loose? 00:13:36.830 --> 00:13:40.789 You know, so I think that's, you know, it's tough. 00:13:40.990 --> 00:13:43.929 You know, if you can only take one song from 00:13:43.929 --> 00:13:46.450 that record, it's going to be the big hit, Lick 00:13:46.450 --> 00:13:48.610 It Up, which is a fine song. And it's a it's 00:13:48.610 --> 00:13:51.690 great live. But like I said, if people have never 00:13:51.690 --> 00:13:54.769 seen Kiss play this song live. Go on YouTube. 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:57.889 It's a treat. I mean, it really goes over well 00:13:57.889 --> 00:14:00.690 live. And to take it one step further, I'll be 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:03.590 sure to embed one of those live versions on the 00:14:03.590 --> 00:14:06.909 episode page over on myweeklymixtape .com for 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:10.129 the mixtapers to check out there. All right. 00:14:10.129 --> 00:14:13.009 Well, now we are up to track four. We had a little 00:14:13.009 --> 00:14:15.110 curveball there with Fits Like a Glove. Where 00:14:15.110 --> 00:14:17.500 do we go from here? Yeah, so now we're going 00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:21.519 to go back to the heyday, to the early days. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.960 And we're going to shoot it back. Well, you got 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.480 Paul coming back here for Got to Choose. Nice. 00:14:31.539 --> 00:14:35.460 Hotter than hell. Nice. I always like this one. 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.120 This one's got a good bounce to it live. I love 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.879 the chord structure in it. I love the beginning, 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:47.350 the guitar. And the only... You know, I was tempted 00:14:47.350 --> 00:14:49.509 to put Hotter Than Hell in there. And this is 00:14:49.509 --> 00:14:52.970 what I would say. I would replace this with the 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:56.669 song Hotter Than Hell if they would sing it like 00:14:56.669 --> 00:14:59.909 they sang it in Kiss Meets the Phantom. If they 00:14:59.909 --> 00:15:03.409 sang it as rip, rip, rip and destroy instead 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:06.850 of hot, hot, hotter than hell, then I would replace 00:15:06.850 --> 00:15:09.610 it. But I just always I always dug this song. 00:15:09.710 --> 00:15:13.070 And again, I think it's a good live one. I think 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:15.129 it's a great album overall. The one thing that 00:15:15.129 --> 00:15:17.029 always got me about this album, I felt like, 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:20.789 and maybe it's just the recording on it, sounds 00:15:20.789 --> 00:15:24.149 different than any KISS album in their catalog. 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:27.669 It sounds almost like these were kind of like 00:15:27.669 --> 00:15:30.629 raw demos compared to some of the more polished 00:15:30.629 --> 00:15:34.009 stuff they did on Dressed to Kill. Even some 00:15:34.009 --> 00:15:36.009 of the stuff from the self -titled album sounded 00:15:36.009 --> 00:15:39.169 more polished. So this was almost like this raw 00:15:39.169 --> 00:15:42.279 moment. where a band kind of takes their sound 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.440 and goes in a different direction like you would 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.019 think, I would compare it to the way Nirvana 00:15:47.019 --> 00:15:51.220 went from Nevermind to In Utero, where it's almost 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:55.100 a record scratch sound difference, but it's still 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:57.440 a ridiculously strong album. Even if you talk 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.980 about Coming Home, which they opened up their 00:15:59.980 --> 00:16:03.519 own plug show with for MTV, I feel like that's 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.860 another ridiculously underrated kiss cut. Yeah, 00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:10.730 it is a great one. I think it really, It adds 00:16:10.730 --> 00:16:14.289 to the sort of the darkness of a lot of the songs, 00:16:14.309 --> 00:16:17.190 the way it's produced, you know, Strange Ways 00:16:17.190 --> 00:16:20.450 and Parasite. You know, those just sound so raw, 00:16:20.649 --> 00:16:22.509 you know, hotter than hell. I mean, there is 00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:25.049 a sort of a darkness to the songs on there. So 00:16:25.049 --> 00:16:28.490 I agree. But I love the way that, you know, the 00:16:28.490 --> 00:16:32.149 problem, as people obviously know, the production 00:16:32.149 --> 00:16:34.190 back then on the first three Kiss albums were 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:37.149 not great. But out of the first three, this is 00:16:37.149 --> 00:16:40.700 my favorite. Now, knowing that Kiss loves to 00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:44.220 capitalize on things, however you want to call 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:47.220 that, I'm actually shocked they haven't gone 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:50.179 the route of doing like what Jethro Tull did 00:16:50.179 --> 00:16:55.340 with Stephen Wilson, doing 50th anniversary remixes, 00:16:55.340 --> 00:16:58.159 not remasters, but actually remixing it from 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.419 the ground up. And with, I hate to say it, but 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:03.259 with the technology, with AI, even if they don't 00:17:03.259 --> 00:17:05.299 have the original master tapes, they could probably 00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:09.900 pull it off. Yeah. I mean, Kiss blew the opportunity 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:13.220 to do the 50 -year anniversary of the first album 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:19.339 with a remaster. But as a purist, I don't need 00:17:19.339 --> 00:17:23.359 that. These albums are such a part of the fabric 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.200 of my being that I couldn't imagine listening 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.259 to them any other way than the way they are. 00:17:28.940 --> 00:17:31.059 But yeah, those first three albums, I think, 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.740 yeah, they could definitely use a little upgrade 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:37.819 on those. But great songs on there. And then 00:17:37.819 --> 00:17:41.019 obviously those songs came alive when they put 00:17:41.019 --> 00:17:44.920 out Kiss Alive. And then you really heard the 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.700 power that those tunes had. I feel like Kiss 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:51.319 Alive did to the first three albums, and I know 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.980 this is not a heavy comparison by any stretch 00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:56.960 of the imagination, but... what Songs from the 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.339 Attic did for Billy Joel. It kind of like reintroduced 00:18:00.339 --> 00:18:02.960 the first three albums to people through the 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.440 live band's performance and really kind of ignited 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.559 those first three albums in a way that live albums 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.500 tended to do back in the 70s, not so much now. 00:18:12.940 --> 00:18:15.940 Yeah, well, back then the live album meant something. 00:18:16.099 --> 00:18:18.799 Yes. That was a big thing. That's what put a 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.640 lot of bands on the map. And, you know, now it's 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.480 kind of they're disposable, you know, now more 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.640 or less a live album is not going to make or 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.279 break a band. But back then it was a big deal. 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:33.839 And obviously it's very well documented that 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:39.180 Kisses were heavily enhanced. Yes. And Paul did 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:42.039 an interview recently where he, you know, he 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.519 kind of defends it. And I'm not really against 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.440 it, you know, but, you know, he sort of said, 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.920 you know, obviously we brought. this live album 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.740 our live albums in the studio and enhance them 00:18:53.740 --> 00:18:57.119 but but because we wanted to we really wanted 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.980 to make sure that people got the concert experience 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:03.960 like like you were there um but it is funny listening 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.400 to kiss alive and kiss alive too and just how 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.400 over the top The crowds are, one of them is a 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.880 Superbowl, literally a Superbowl crowd. So, but, 00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:18.859 but it did, you know, listening to those as a 00:19:18.859 --> 00:19:21.880 kid, I, it was like, wow, it's gotta be the most 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.440 exciting thing on earth to be at a KISS concert. 00:19:24.579 --> 00:19:27.279 It was smart marketing for that. I will say this 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.140 though, when it comes to live albums, one of 00:19:29.140 --> 00:19:35.160 my pet peeves is when they run crowd noise, like 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:40.049 cheers. underneath the entire song and it never 00:19:40.049 --> 00:19:43.410 stops it's like a bed underneath the live a lot 00:19:43.410 --> 00:19:46.609 of artists do this and as soon as i catch on 00:19:46.609 --> 00:19:48.910 that that's what's happening it kind of kills 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:51.910 the live album aspect for me because i've never 00:19:51.910 --> 00:19:54.690 once in the hundreds of shows i've been to been 00:19:54.690 --> 00:19:56.730 to one where everyone screamed the whole time 00:19:56.730 --> 00:19:59.750 and didn't listen to the fucking songs yeah yeah 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:03.589 exactly i know it's way over the top or the opposite 00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:07.339 is they mix it down Like once the singer starts, 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.519 it like almost cuts out. Yep. And you can, no, 00:20:10.660 --> 00:20:12.700 you know, there's a happy medium here. You let 00:20:12.700 --> 00:20:15.619 it trail underneath and you fade it gradually. 00:20:15.819 --> 00:20:19.240 So, you know, it's tough. I mean, obviously I 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.380 like albums like, uh, Aerosmith, uh, bootleg 00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:25.859 where you could tell they did nothing to those 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:28.079 songs, you know, for better, for worse, you know, 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.839 warts and all that's all out there. But listen, 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.279 kiss alive one and two for me. Those will always 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.799 be iconic. And I don't care what they did to 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.720 him in the studio. When I listen to them, I feel 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.259 good. I was actually wondering if any of your 00:20:41.259 --> 00:20:43.500 choices would come from either a live one or 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:45.480 two tonight, but we'll have to see when we get 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.220 there. We are now up to track five. So where 00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:53.059 do we go from Got to Choose? Yeah, so we go from 00:20:53.059 --> 00:20:57.779 Choose to Lose and Nothing to Lose. Nice. From 00:20:57.779 --> 00:21:00.650 the first record, yeah. And because you got it, 00:21:00.670 --> 00:21:03.049 we got a little get a little Peter into the mix 00:21:03.049 --> 00:21:07.750 here. And, you know, that song again, like I 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:09.529 was saying with Detroit Rock City when I was 00:21:09.529 --> 00:21:12.890 a kid, I didn't quite get, you know, what was 00:21:12.890 --> 00:21:17.049 happening in it. I had no idea as a 12 year old 00:21:17.049 --> 00:21:22.259 boy that this song. that Kiss had a song about 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:26.920 anal sex. Yes. And then the minute I found that 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:28.960 out, it became one of my favorite Kiss songs 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:32.400 of all time, even to this day, because I'm still 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.940 a 12 -year -old kid when I listen to it, and 00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:38.299 I'm like, yeah, he's talking about anal. And 00:21:38.299 --> 00:21:41.759 they were able to skirt around it where it was 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.319 their debut American single. And to me, that's 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:47.740 the way they were able to sneak that out there 00:21:47.740 --> 00:21:52.180 and not have any label head go. Plus the fact 00:21:52.180 --> 00:21:54.259 that you got Bruce Foster on keys, which was 00:21:54.259 --> 00:21:56.059 the first time they brought somebody from outside 00:21:56.059 --> 00:21:59.480 the band in. I have to ask because the song didn't 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.339 chart. Looking at the self -titled Kiss album. 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.299 Do you think that that was the smart decision 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:08.240 to lead with this? Or do you think that maybe 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.140 they should have went with something like Deuce 00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:12.880 or Strutter or something else? Do you think this 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.200 was like a hindsight is 2020 moment for them? 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.400 It would have to be right. Cause you know, like 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.220 you said, Deuce, you know, became the early days 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:25.619 consummate concert opener Strutter opening the 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:29.039 album, you know, just a, a real solid compact 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.569 three minute. hard rock song uh with great hooks 00:22:33.569 --> 00:22:36.430 yeah and because nothing uh nothing to lose is 00:22:36.430 --> 00:22:39.970 is again it's sort of like uh it's an early version 00:22:39.970 --> 00:22:42.269 of like fits like a glove it's sort of an oddball 00:22:42.269 --> 00:22:45.970 fit but um it is you know it is the second track 00:22:45.970 --> 00:22:49.410 on the first album but yeah you know either one 00:22:49.410 --> 00:22:52.309 of those i mean even firehouse you know, I would 00:22:52.309 --> 00:22:54.730 have put out there maybe as a single before that. 00:22:54.809 --> 00:22:58.789 But yeah, the content wise is why it makes my 00:22:58.789 --> 00:23:04.930 list. Well, coming out of that, to close out 00:23:04.930 --> 00:23:08.430 the first half of your ultimate KISS concert 00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:12.950 set list, what do we have at track six? All right, 00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:15.549 come out of that. Just another straight up banger. 00:23:15.650 --> 00:23:18.900 I Stole Your Love. Nice. You know, that version, 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:23.640 obviously, on Alive 2 is just smoking. And, you 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.940 know, I think you get to that point in the set 00:23:25.940 --> 00:23:29.059 after Nothing to Lose, which is, you know, again, 00:23:29.140 --> 00:23:32.339 it's sort of like this bouncy, poppy kind of, 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:35.500 you know, vibe to it, bluesy thing. And then 00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:38.220 you just have a straight ahead kiss banger. And, 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.900 you know, got to have something here off of Rock 00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:43.880 and Roll Over. So I stole your luck. Another 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:47.460 album opener, another great song. This is one 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:52.160 of those ones that I feel like was an instant 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.220 staple for them. Like there's certain songs that 00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:57.839 I feel like had a slow burn into the Kiss universe. 00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:00.599 And there's other songs that just took off like 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.500 a rocket. I feel like this is one of those ones, 00:24:03.579 --> 00:24:05.960 especially when you consider the fact that Love 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:10.039 Gun was a top five album for them. Yes. And I 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:13.480 apologize. I said the wrong album. It is off 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.599 of Love Gun. But, um, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. 00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:18.539 I don't know about the chart stuff with that. 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.779 Um, you know, Love Gun is the album famous to 00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:26.539 me for being Ace Frehley's debut vocal performance. 00:24:26.619 --> 00:24:29.759 So, um, but yeah, this is a, you know, that, 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.759 that version, like I said, on, um, Kiss Alive 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.259 2 is, uh, is just amazing. Do you have a preference 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.339 if you had to choose between the studio and Alive 00:24:39.339 --> 00:24:42.799 2? The live, yeah, the live version for sure. 00:24:43.639 --> 00:24:45.920 Awesome. Well, just a reminder, you can hear 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.859 all the songs on Don's Ultimate Kiss concert 00:24:48.859 --> 00:24:52.980 set list over on the episode page at myweeklymixtape 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:57.619 .com. So now we're at the second half with track 00:24:57.619 --> 00:25:00.200 seven. Well, we got to run. We got to get back 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.380 to Gene here because, you know, got to get Gene 00:25:03.380 --> 00:25:06.759 back in the mix and a great one from the Revenge 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.910 album. and unholy yes i mean that's as heavy 00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:14.029 a song as kiss has right there you're starting 00:25:14.029 --> 00:25:17.890 off the second half of this concert with just 00:25:17.890 --> 00:25:23.250 this really heavy heavy song the lyrics very 00:25:23.250 --> 00:25:27.210 clever and dark you know i love the darkness 00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:31.410 of the song i love the solo in this song just 00:25:31.410 --> 00:25:34.299 everything about it Vinny Vincent still writing 00:25:34.299 --> 00:25:36.940 for at least for this song on the album. He did 00:25:36.940 --> 00:25:39.880 a couple of things on revenge, revenge to me. 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.700 I might catch a little flack from this, from 00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:44.880 kiss diehards, but it could be a top three kiss 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.279 album for me. I was in high school when this 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.200 album came out. So there's like this layer of 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:54.099 coming from a childhood kiss fan into a teenage 00:25:54.099 --> 00:25:57.279 kiss fan. And I feel like this album really kind 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:58.740 of did that with me. When you think of songs 00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:01.839 like domino and I just wanna, and kind of the, 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.400 hair band scene at the time. Kiss was never really 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:08.400 part of the hair band scene, but because when 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.180 they didn't have makeup on, they kind of got 00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:13.420 lumped in to the hair metal movement, even though 00:26:13.420 --> 00:26:15.500 I never considered them hair. I mean, they had 00:26:15.500 --> 00:26:18.599 long hair, but I never considered them glam. 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.220 But because of some of the outside writers, they 00:26:21.220 --> 00:26:24.640 kind of weaved in and out of that sound a little 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.759 bit. And I feel like this is the album. They 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.920 did it. I don't want to say the best down, but 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.150 I think it was the perfect mix of that. 80s metal 00:26:32.150 --> 00:26:34.849 sound along with the classic Kiss sound, whereas 00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:38.789 Crazy Nights and Hot in the Shade leaned a little 00:26:38.789 --> 00:26:43.349 heavier into the poppier side of Kiss, where 00:26:43.349 --> 00:26:45.670 this one started to kind of bring it back a little 00:26:45.670 --> 00:26:47.990 bit. I feel like it kind of leveled the playing 00:26:47.990 --> 00:26:51.400 field from a musical perspective. A hundred percent 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.220 spot on. I, you know, I was good up till, you 00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:58.579 know, Asylum. I liked a lot. And then Crazy Nights 00:26:58.579 --> 00:27:01.759 came out and I said, oh, no, no, don't do this. 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:04.859 Please, Kiss, don't do this. You know, everything 00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:08.099 you said was true. And so I, you know, and then 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:10.759 Hot, they follow that up with Hot in the Shade. 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.789 And I'm like, man, that's too. not great albums 00:27:13.789 --> 00:27:16.869 here in a row. I don't like the trend where this 00:27:16.869 --> 00:27:19.829 sound is going. And then they bang back with 00:27:19.829 --> 00:27:23.710 revenge and then go back off the rails with a 00:27:23.710 --> 00:27:27.269 carnival of souls. But anyway, unholy, you know, 00:27:27.309 --> 00:27:29.450 I'm noticing now, you know, obviously it wasn't 00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:33.130 planned, but a lot of, uh, album openers on my, 00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.589 uh, on my playlist, but that is not intentional. 00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:38.710 Well, it's five right now at a seven song. So 00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:42.880 I have to ask you, what is your favorite? Kiss 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.960 album opening track. You know it already. Detroit 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:51.119 Rock City. Okay. Okay. Gotta be. Well, following 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.220 up on Holy, where do we go for track eight? All 00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:58.480 right. So I have a little coda on this one. I'm 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:03.750 going to go Hide Your Heart. What? Oh, my God, 00:28:03.890 --> 00:28:07.210 Don. What are you thinking? You're hard. You 00:28:07.210 --> 00:28:11.049 just trashed Hot in the Shade, and here you are 00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:14.170 picking a song. But here's the caveat, not the 00:28:14.170 --> 00:28:17.190 coda. Coda's a Led Zeppelin album. The caveat 00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:22.250 here is that it's Ace's vocal on it, because 00:28:22.250 --> 00:28:27.609 I love the version of this song on Ace's solo 00:28:27.609 --> 00:28:33.059 album, Trouble Walkin'. His version is so goddamn 00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:37.700 good. It's got such incredible swagger to it. 00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:41.819 You know, you picture Ace as the character Johnny 00:28:41.819 --> 00:28:44.640 in the song, you know, because Ace, you know, 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.779 Ace was always the dangerous guy in the band, 00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:49.240 you know, and you could see Ace being the guy 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.119 who's taken the gangster's girlfriend. And, you 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.660 know, in the end, he gets shot on the rooftop. 00:28:55.700 --> 00:29:00.309 But I don't like. Kisses version very much on 00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:03.809 Hot in the Shade. But it's a killer song. It's 00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:06.430 such a well -written song. You know, it tells 00:29:06.430 --> 00:29:09.829 a story that's interesting. But it's got to be 00:29:09.829 --> 00:29:13.410 A singing it. Co -written by two -time My Weekly 00:29:13.410 --> 00:29:17.410 Mixtape guest, Desmond Child. Originally recorded 00:29:17.410 --> 00:29:21.170 by Bonnie Tyler. She did the first version of 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:24.569 this? In 1988, she did her version of it. Wow. 00:29:25.379 --> 00:29:28.900 Okay. So that's me. I knew Bonnie Tyler through 00:29:28.900 --> 00:29:30.859 my mom. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wait 00:29:30.859 --> 00:29:35.079 a minute. I know this. And Hot in the Shade's 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.420 always been a weird album for me because Forever 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:42.480 was that song that truly said, hey, hair bands, 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.160 we can hang with you guys. I mean, co -written 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.839 by Michael Bolton. I think Forever was the song 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.500 that really pissed the most Kiss fans off. I'd 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.200 say that would be if there was one song that 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.579 you would say, pissed off kiss fans more than 00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:58.980 any other song i think it would have to be forever 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:02.440 at least from a single standpoint yeah that and 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.380 reason to live i don't hate either one of them 00:30:05.380 --> 00:30:08.700 i'm not gonna lie i'm a power ballad fan i don't 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:11.099 hate either of them but in the scope of the kiss 00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:14.940 catalog oh agreed yeah and you know and desmond 00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:18.089 co -writer on both of those right yes Cause it's 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:20.089 got it, you know, they, that, those songs have 00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:24.410 his stamp on there, but yeah. So, so trouble 00:30:24.410 --> 00:30:28.430 walking came out in 89. So you're saying Bonnie 00:30:28.430 --> 00:30:32.710 Tyler did it in 88. I am. Let me, I have to look 00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:34.650 this up now cause I don't want to get this wrong, 00:30:34.769 --> 00:30:39.029 but I am 90 % sure. Yes. Released in 1988 is 00:30:39.029 --> 00:30:41.250 the second single on the album of the same name. 00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:44.289 Yeah. Well, you know, there again, this is a 00:30:44.289 --> 00:30:46.730 story, Eddie. Trunk could tell off the top of 00:30:46.730 --> 00:30:50.190 his head. But the gist of the story, I believe, 00:30:50.430 --> 00:30:54.130 is that, yeah, this song was obviously floating 00:30:54.130 --> 00:30:57.750 around out there. And I guess Kiss passed on 00:30:57.750 --> 00:31:02.609 it originally and Ace jumped on it. And then, 00:31:02.630 --> 00:31:05.190 you know, Kiss was sort of like kicked themselves 00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:07.750 like, now we're going to show Ace how it's done. 00:31:07.990 --> 00:31:11.289 But they don't. Because, like I said, Ace's version 00:31:11.289 --> 00:31:14.769 is so great. That goes into my set list. So you're 00:31:14.769 --> 00:31:17.390 putting the Trouble Walking version in. Yep. 00:31:17.490 --> 00:31:20.369 All right. So where do we go from here? Are you 00:31:20.369 --> 00:31:22.869 going to drop Forever In just to piss people 00:31:22.869 --> 00:31:26.890 off or no? Well, we will get to a ballad, but 00:31:26.890 --> 00:31:31.930 while Ace's vocal cords are warmed up, we're 00:31:31.930 --> 00:31:34.509 going to bang right into Shock Me. Nice, nice. 00:31:34.589 --> 00:31:37.710 Yeah, that's got to be in the set. You know, 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:41.230 obviously it's Ace's debut as a vocalist for 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:44.690 Kiss, but it was also always and still is to 00:31:44.690 --> 00:31:49.130 this day the showcase for his guitar solo. You 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.069 know, you wouldn't do the three minute studio 00:31:51.069 --> 00:31:54.349 version of this live. You have to do the version 00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:58.210 with the guitar solo in it. And Ace to this day 00:31:58.210 --> 00:32:02.470 still generally plays it the way he played it. 00:32:02.990 --> 00:32:06.650 on Kiss Alive 2. He improvises a lot around it, 00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:09.930 but he plays a lot of the same basic stuff because 00:32:09.930 --> 00:32:12.930 I think he knows that his fans want to hear that. 00:32:13.069 --> 00:32:15.910 And I love that he does that. He doesn't just 00:32:15.910 --> 00:32:19.190 put a different solo in there. Like I said, he 00:32:19.190 --> 00:32:22.329 improvs a lot around it, but he does all the 00:32:22.329 --> 00:32:25.609 cool stuff that you hear on Kiss Alive 2. And 00:32:25.609 --> 00:32:28.549 that's the reason why the song made Guitar World's 00:32:28.809 --> 00:32:32.690 100 greatest guitar solos ever. It's all the, 00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:35.250 this sucks and I'm sorry. You're going to like 00:32:35.250 --> 00:32:38.630 log off when I say it. Shock and awe the fans 00:32:38.630 --> 00:32:41.349 because it was shock value to the song, literally 00:32:41.349 --> 00:32:43.710 in the song title. All right, I got to go now. 00:32:43.769 --> 00:32:49.869 Bye. Not my favorite Ace song, but I have a reason 00:32:49.869 --> 00:32:52.190 because I know you do the Rockstrap podcast. 00:32:52.710 --> 00:32:55.630 My favorite Ace song is New York Groove because 00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:59.349 I am a New York Giants fan. And that song is 00:32:59.349 --> 00:33:02.869 the touchdown celebration song at MetLife when 00:33:02.869 --> 00:33:06.009 the Giants score. So for me, it's a double -sided 00:33:06.009 --> 00:33:09.130 coin. As much as I love the guitar solo in Shock 00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:12.349 Me a lot more, New York Groove gets my all -time 00:33:12.349 --> 00:33:14.029 ace song just because of my connection with the 00:33:14.029 --> 00:33:17.130 Giants. Right, but not even written by ace. No, 00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:20.029 total cover, but still, I know. Well, I'm a Jets 00:33:20.029 --> 00:33:21.970 fan, so I don't have to worry about my team scoring. 00:33:24.410 --> 00:33:27.089 All right. So what are we coming out of Shock 00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:31.990 Me With? Here's the ballad. And the album version 00:33:31.990 --> 00:33:36.690 is amazing. But where I think it took a new life 00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:40.470 or it went to a new level was on Kiss Unplugged. 00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:44.190 And Paul just did an unbelievable vocal job on 00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:48.410 I Still Love You. Yes. Yes. That vocal on Kiss 00:33:48.410 --> 00:33:53.640 Unplugged is absolutely epic. And I'm the kind 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.039 of guy like, you know, obviously 12 is they wouldn't 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.099 just do 12 songs in a concert. But I like when 00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:05.599 a band does, you know, one of their slower songs 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.539 or their ballad, because, you know, if you just 00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:11.579 have one banger after the other, after the other, 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.719 the entire time that you don't you don't get 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.159 any sort of, you know, there's no there's no 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.300 levels to anything. so this might even be a little 00:34:19.300 --> 00:34:23.119 far down on the set list but the thing i like 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.760 about it is like you could almost like if this 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.059 was a real concert you could almost end the concert 00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:32.440 with this song that's how powerful this song 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.300 is even as a ballad it's got such a killer build 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:39.780 to it um like i said it's a complete showcase 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:44.579 for paul's vocals um it's That middle part where 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.440 it gets real heavy is amazing. I love the solo 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:51.159 in it. And it ends in an epic way. You could 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.440 almost close the concert with this song. It's 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.519 very bluesy for Kiss. This has got a blues undertone 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.980 to it, the way he delivers the vocals, the range 00:35:00.980 --> 00:35:03.420 in which he delivers the vocals. When I watched 00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:05.860 MTV Unplugged for the first time, I had already 00:35:05.860 --> 00:35:08.280 known Creatures of the Night for years. And when 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.719 I started playing that, the first thought in 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.739 my head as a teenager was, I wonder if Paul is 00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:16.800 still going to hit those vocals like he did in 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.079 the 80s. And when he started singing it, my jaw 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.019 was on the ground for the rest of the performance 00:35:22.019 --> 00:35:25.880 because I honestly think he did it better live 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.940 on Unplugged than on Creatures of the Night. 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.880 Yeah, I don't disagree. That's why I said it 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:37.119 went up another level on that album. So, yeah, 00:35:37.300 --> 00:35:41.179 that's got to go in. And it's six minutes long. 00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:44.110 And it doesn't feel like it. And to have a six 00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:47.590 minute ballad not feel like it's droning because 00:35:47.590 --> 00:35:50.829 it's a slower song. That's not easy to pull off. 00:35:50.909 --> 00:35:53.030 And I think they nailed it with this one. Yeah, 00:35:53.090 --> 00:35:54.670 because it's just got a lot of ebbs and flows 00:35:54.670 --> 00:35:59.010 to it. So, yeah, you kind of you never. So, you 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:01.809 know, it's not just sort of a one level monotone 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:05.199 kind of. vibe to it it's you know it builds and 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.079 it comes back down again and it builds and like 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.360 i said that middle section it's just it gets 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.019 so heavy you know and then you know then we land 00:36:13.019 --> 00:36:15.840 the plane uh and then you have this big bombastic 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.559 ending to it and um you know that sort of gets 00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.940 us now into the last two yeah so are we gonna 00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:26.059 go obvious here are we gonna go with a crowd 00:36:26.059 --> 00:36:28.840 favorite are you gonna go with something deeper 00:36:30.200 --> 00:36:35.239 I think this next one's a crowd favorite, but 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:41.820 for me, it has never gotten played out like some 00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:44.059 of the other songs that people are probably already 00:36:44.059 --> 00:36:46.900 screaming that are noticeably not on the set 00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:51.610 list. But Shout It Out Loud, to me, has never 00:36:51.610 --> 00:36:55.449 grown old like rock and roll all night and party 00:36:55.449 --> 00:36:58.590 every day. So to me, this is sort of the more 00:36:58.590 --> 00:37:02.190 interesting one. And it just really is a great 00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:05.980 live song. That's what you're there for. Shout 00:37:05.980 --> 00:37:08.780 it, shout it, shout it out loud. I mean, it's 00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.780 just such a banger, you know. It's such a crowd 00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:15.980 participation song. And, you know, I love that 00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:19.780 sort of almost closing us down there. Now, earlier 00:37:19.780 --> 00:37:23.179 we talked about if they remixed some of their 00:37:23.179 --> 00:37:26.559 first couple of albums. In 2012, they did remix 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.420 Destroyer with the Resurrected mix. Have you 00:37:29.420 --> 00:37:31.260 ever heard that version? And I'm curious what 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:34.489 you think between the two. No, I haven't. I do 00:37:34.489 --> 00:37:37.170 have it, but I'm in the process of moving. So 00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:40.590 I have to get all my stuff set back up to listen 00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:42.869 to that. But what's your impression on it? I'll 00:37:42.869 --> 00:37:45.949 say this. It's interesting. You hear certain 00:37:45.949 --> 00:37:48.469 nuances you don't hear in the original. And now, 00:37:48.489 --> 00:37:51.949 will I say it's better? The original is so ingrained 00:37:51.949 --> 00:37:55.719 in my DNA because. My mom was pregnant with me 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:58.199 when the album was out. So, I mean, between that 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.079 and Fleetwood Mac's Rumors, those albums, I felt 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:02.780 like when I first heard them, like I already 00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:04.760 knew them. And I did because she said, oh, I 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.619 listened to those albums nonstop when I was pregnant 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:11.199 with you. So it's embedded in my DNA, but I didn't 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.500 hate it. It was definitely a listen where you 00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:15.639 went, huh. And it gives you like a different 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.579 perspective on the album and it's enjoyable. 00:38:18.139 --> 00:38:20.719 I just don't know if I would ever choose it if 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.130 I was like. Gun to head, pick one of the two. 00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:25.690 I'd usually go with the original, I think. Yeah, 00:38:25.750 --> 00:38:29.309 okay. But yeah, so, you know, always loved that 00:38:29.309 --> 00:38:33.070 song. And that was a concert opener for years 00:38:33.070 --> 00:38:36.070 as well. But I'm putting it down towards the 00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:38.389 bottom here. And you could easily close out with 00:38:38.389 --> 00:38:40.550 that if you want to. Oh, absolutely. But you 00:38:40.550 --> 00:38:45.269 have one song left now. The closing song of Don 00:38:45.269 --> 00:38:50.239 Jameis' ultimate KISS concert setlist. What are 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.119 we doing here? Are you going to go obvious and 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.639 rock and roll all night? Absolutely not. That's 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.739 what you said in the beginning about the crowd 00:38:57.739 --> 00:39:00.500 -pleasing songs you could do without. I had a 00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:03.679 feeling that was a teaser. Yeah, and no deuce. 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.539 you only gave me 12 you know that it was funny 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:08.760 when we did that metal show people always you 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.199 know chime in about our top fives and that was 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.539 the fun thing about doing these our top five 00:39:14.539 --> 00:39:16.920 list is there's no right or wrong answers it's 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.079 just your opinion right um but you know we all 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.079 used not just fans but you know we used to get 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.159 you know chris jericho or tom morello texting 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.909 us like That night going, how did you not have 00:39:28.909 --> 00:39:32.250 this one in your top five? And then our standard 00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:34.389 answer always became that would have been number 00:39:34.389 --> 00:39:40.409 six. You know, so you only gave me 12. If you 00:39:40.409 --> 00:39:42.889 gave me 13, I probably would have closed that 00:39:42.889 --> 00:39:46.170 with Deuce. But I'm closing out because Ace had 00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:49.309 two songs. We got to give Peter his second one. 00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:54.650 You know, this is the Kiss Alive version of Black 00:39:54.650 --> 00:39:57.630 Diamond. Nice. To close it out. That has that 00:39:57.630 --> 00:40:00.289 epic ending with the explosions and everything 00:40:00.289 --> 00:40:05.769 else. I just saw there was a video floating around 00:40:05.769 --> 00:40:08.969 on X of them playing that live, I think on Don 00:40:08.969 --> 00:40:12.070 Kirscher's rock concert. And they do it. in the 00:40:12.070 --> 00:40:15.389 you know the alive one version of it and it's 00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:19.469 just so epic and peter's voice i mean he's what 00:40:19.469 --> 00:40:23.949 a soulful you know raspy voice he has and that 00:40:23.949 --> 00:40:27.170 song just has a ton of energy and um you know 00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:29.969 the like i said the way they do it on a live 00:40:29.969 --> 00:40:33.769 that's hard to follow it really is i mean it 00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:37.269 closes out the original kiss album and then it 00:40:37.269 --> 00:40:41.960 closes outside three of kiss alive which makes 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.219 you feel like side four was just the encore because 00:40:45.219 --> 00:40:48.000 of the way they ended black diamond on side three 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.300 they could have just said okay let's just put 00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:53.099 a picture on side four of the album be done with 00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:54.719 it and probably gotten away with it because it's 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:57.860 that killer of a closing song yeah or we do what 00:40:57.860 --> 00:41:01.500 they did on alive too which is put five studio 00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:05.280 songs on there you go and it's funny enough because 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.300 rock and roll all night you know that song was 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:12.570 not the legend it became obviously i i can't 00:41:12.570 --> 00:41:14.389 imagine they didn't haven't closed their concerts 00:41:14.389 --> 00:41:18.030 without rock and roll all night for at least 00:41:18.030 --> 00:41:21.030 30 years probably more probably 35 years right 00:41:21.030 --> 00:41:24.469 at this point but it wasn't back then it wasn't 00:41:24.469 --> 00:41:27.570 a concert closer you know black diamond was so 00:41:28.389 --> 00:41:31.849 I love it as the closer for mine, and everybody 00:41:31.849 --> 00:41:36.469 knows the songs that didn't make it. But when 00:41:36.469 --> 00:41:38.969 you have 12 picks, you've got to make the most 00:41:38.969 --> 00:41:41.170 of them. And I do have to say, I like the fact 00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:43.730 that you chose Deuce for 13 if you were doing 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:45.949 an honorable mention, because that's a favorite 00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:48.610 of mine as well. That's a great song. Yeah, that 00:41:48.610 --> 00:41:51.369 could open or close it pretty much. But yeah, 00:41:51.909 --> 00:41:54.070 that's the dozen right there, the Dirty Dozen. 00:41:54.130 --> 00:41:58.280 The Dirty Dozen, the ultimate. Kiss concert set 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.719 list by Don Jameson, which kicked off with Detroit 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.860 Rock City from Destroyer. Creatures of the Night 00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:06.559 from the album of the same name. Bits Like a 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.340 Glove from Lick It Up. Got to Choose from Hotter 00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:12.579 Than Hell. Nothing to Lose from Kiss. I Stole 00:42:12.579 --> 00:42:15.099 Your Love from Love Gun or as the one Don chose, 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.409 Alive 2. Unholy from Revenge. Hide Your Heart 00:42:19.409 --> 00:42:22.630 from Ace's Trouble Walking album, Shock Me from 00:42:22.630 --> 00:42:24.949 Love Gone, as well as the version Don went with 00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:28.730 from Alive 2 Again, I Still Love You from Creatures 00:42:28.730 --> 00:42:30.769 of the Night, or the version that Don went with 00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:35.010 from MTV Unplugged, Shout It Out Loud from Destroyer, 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:39.469 and Black Diamond from Alive. Head over to myweeklymixtape 00:42:39.469 --> 00:42:42.429 .com to hear all the songs we've discussed in 00:42:42.429 --> 00:42:45.750 this concert set list through the playlist embedded 00:42:45.750 --> 00:42:50.239 on the episode page. Don's latest comedy album, 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.639 No Sleep Till McSorley's, which we discussed 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.480 in depth on the Ultimate 80s Metal Playlist episode, 00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:59.460 is available on all the streaming services as 00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:03.699 well as autographed vinyl versions over on experiencevinyl 00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:06.760 .com. Don, this has been an absolute blast. Thank 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.559 you for joining me once again on My Weekly Mixtape, 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.139 man. Anytime. Can't wait to do it again, brother. 00:43:12.380 --> 00:43:14.900 And remember, you can find My Weekly Mixtape 00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:18.059 on almost all the social media haunts at My Weekly 00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:20.780 Mixtape. You can also head to myweeklymixtape 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.679 .com to check out the full catalog of My Weekly 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.440 Mixtape episodes. 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