WEBVTT 00:00:02.570 --> 00:00:06.330 Some people spend their entire lives trying to 00:00:06.330 --> 00:00:09.929 become successful. And then one day, they realize 00:00:09.929 --> 00:00:12.330 success didn't answer the question they were 00:00:12.330 --> 00:00:15.589 actually asking. Because achievement answers 00:00:15.589 --> 00:00:19.390 how far you can go, but purpose answers why you're 00:00:19.390 --> 00:00:22.949 going at all. Today's conversation is all about 00:00:22.949 --> 00:00:26.269 what happens after success, when comfort is no 00:00:26.269 --> 00:00:29.429 longer enough. I'm your host, Edna White, and 00:00:29.429 --> 00:00:32.770 this is Keeping It Real On Purpose, honest conversations 00:00:32.770 --> 00:00:35.649 with authors and everyday people about moments 00:00:35.649 --> 00:00:39.429 that forced them to rebuild intentionally. So 00:00:39.429 --> 00:00:43.710 today's guest is Dr. Abraham George, author of 00:00:43.710 --> 00:00:47.189 Mountains to Cross, Finding Life's Purpose in 00:00:47.189 --> 00:00:51.049 Service. After achieving global success in an 00:00:51.049 --> 00:00:54.090 international business and finance, Dr. George 00:00:54.090 --> 00:00:57.560 made a life -altering decision. walking away 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.539 from comfort to dedicate his life to children 00:01:00.539 --> 00:01:04.200 born into extreme poverty through the creation 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:08.099 of Shanti Bhavan, a residential school transforming 00:01:08.099 --> 00:01:12.120 generations. Dr. George, welcome to Keeping It 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:16.239 Real On Purpose. Oh, thank you, Etna. Thank you 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:19.299 for inviting me. Great. So, Dr. George, let's 00:01:19.299 --> 00:01:23.099 get back to your success before the school, before 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:27.219 the mission. You had a near fatal accident at 00:01:27.219 --> 00:01:29.879 age 18 in the Himalayas. Can you talk about that 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.140 a little bit? Sure, sure. Can I go back a little 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:38.239 bit before that accident so people have a context? 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:44.260 At 14, I joined a military academy like the West 00:01:44.260 --> 00:01:47.760 Point in America, you know, and went through 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.579 four years of training to become an officer in 00:01:50.579 --> 00:01:54.420 the artillery. And the first posting was to the 00:01:54.420 --> 00:02:00.420 Himalayas. to a mountain pass called Sela Pass. 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.819 That is 14 ,000 feet above sea level, pretty 00:02:05.819 --> 00:02:10.840 high and minus degree temperatures, snow covered 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.580 and shortage of oxygen, you know, a lot of problems. 00:02:16.020 --> 00:02:19.979 But when you're 18, when you're 18, those things 00:02:19.979 --> 00:02:21.740 don't... You don't think about those things, 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.599 no. Yeah, but I was... One of the first people 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.099 to be stationed there, it was soon after the 00:02:30.099 --> 00:02:34.599 Chinese war, war with China. And India was trying 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.759 to defend itself, moved up its troops to the 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.439 mountain pass, which nobody used to go there. 00:02:41.139 --> 00:02:45.479 And I was given the responsibility of establishing 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:50.340 gun positions, a platform for the guns, underground 00:02:50.340 --> 00:02:54.069 bunkers, and so on. So I had a number of troops 00:02:54.069 --> 00:02:56.770 with me, soldiers with me, and we were digging 00:02:56.770 --> 00:03:00.110 and blowing up the mountain, you know? And I 00:03:00.110 --> 00:03:04.310 used to joke that we are moving the Himalayas, 00:03:04.310 --> 00:03:09.569 you know? That's a good one, yeah. Yeah, all 00:03:09.569 --> 00:03:14.090 day, you know, the sound of the blast. But anyway, 00:03:14.330 --> 00:03:18.550 at the end of 11 months, I made a mistake. That 00:03:18.550 --> 00:03:23.310 is because the the fuse wire they supply for 00:03:23.310 --> 00:03:28.810 burning, igniting the dynamite, and finally gets 00:03:28.810 --> 00:03:43.550 to the gun cotton. And that wire was not in supply. 00:03:43.590 --> 00:03:45.750 So I started cutting it shorter and shorter, 00:03:45.909 --> 00:03:50.990 and finally it came down to three inches. five 00:03:50.990 --> 00:03:56.069 seconds or so, you know, and I didn't want the 00:03:56.069 --> 00:04:00.629 soldiers to use it. I said I will do it. They 00:04:00.629 --> 00:04:03.250 didn't want me to, but I decided that I should 00:04:03.250 --> 00:04:06.210 do it. First couple of days, it went well. I 00:04:06.210 --> 00:04:09.849 light it, I see it, I turn around and quickly 00:04:09.849 --> 00:04:14.189 get behind a nearby large rock, you know, and 00:04:14.189 --> 00:04:18.009 it blasts and it flies over my head. But this 00:04:18.009 --> 00:04:20.720 time, I don't know whether I was careless or 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:27.720 not. It lighted and I didn't know that it had 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.519 lighted. And suddenly I noticed that it was almost 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.480 there in that two, three seconds. I turned and 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:41.439 jumped, but it was a little too late. And I was 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:48.709 showered with piercing rocks. And they carried 00:04:48.709 --> 00:04:53.149 me into a Jeep and took me to the field hospital, 00:04:53.449 --> 00:04:57.670 which is several thousand feet below. That is 00:04:57.670 --> 00:05:01.910 where that was a turning point in my life. And 00:05:01.910 --> 00:05:06.970 I said, must be some reason why I escaped. And 00:05:06.970 --> 00:05:11.810 I thought of the idea that I should devote my 00:05:11.810 --> 00:05:16.569 life to service. And I thought of that as my 00:05:16.569 --> 00:05:21.579 purpose in life. and I read a couple of books 00:05:21.579 --> 00:05:25.899 which also had an impact on me. One was by the 00:05:25.899 --> 00:05:35.019 Nobel laureate, what's his name? Albert Schweitzer, 00:05:35.300 --> 00:05:38.680 he's a German doctor, traveled in a canoe all 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:43.680 the way to the Central Africa and established 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.220 a hospital. clinic actually turned into an hospital 00:05:47.220 --> 00:05:50.600 later on. He was living among the tribals and 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.420 in the jungle. And he, after many years of service, 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.959 he won the Nobel Prize. And then the other is 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.740 a veteran, Russell, who wrote the book, The Philosophy 00:06:02.740 --> 00:06:12.980 of, I mean, sorry, What is it? Western philosophy 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:18.000 or Western philosophy. And in that he wrote a 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:22.199 line, there is nothing, nothing right about a 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:28.259 war. It's about who is left. And I said, left, 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.639 you know, very, very nice use of those words. 00:06:32.459 --> 00:06:36.879 And then I asked myself, why am I? training myself 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.620 to kill people. That's not something I want to 00:06:39.620 --> 00:06:42.560 do for the rest of my life. I'm saying military 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.040 profession is not a noble profession. You have 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.100 to because somebody has to defend the country. 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:50.579 But I felt that was not my calling. And I decided 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:57.480 that I'd leave. And when I got injured, I recovered. 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.579 And a couple of years after, I got a discharge 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:06.379 and came to America. That's the beginning. Yeah. 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:12.579 Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. That sounds so, um, I 00:07:12.579 --> 00:07:15.000 always call it like that, that aha moment for 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.180 all of us. Like, you know how, like we're like 00:07:17.180 --> 00:07:19.300 this egg and then all of a sudden, you know, 00:07:19.379 --> 00:07:21.639 we're bored to death, like be just being a regular 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.180 egg. Then all of a sudden we, we get a little 00:07:24.180 --> 00:07:27.899 crack, right? In the shell and everything is 00:07:27.899 --> 00:07:29.620 different. Everything is different from that 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:31.779 moment. You know, everything is different. And 00:07:31.779 --> 00:07:36.490 that's so amazing that you thought about service. 00:07:36.949 --> 00:07:39.689 Now, what came to mind when you were talking, 00:07:40.529 --> 00:07:43.250 and I talk to so many people, I think this is 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:46.769 almost 250 people already on my podcast, and 00:07:46.769 --> 00:07:48.930 they always have got service. But one thing we 00:07:48.930 --> 00:07:51.889 don't talk about is I believe in true provision. 00:07:52.350 --> 00:07:54.750 So if you're doing something that you love and 00:07:54.750 --> 00:07:57.769 that's your purpose to do, true provision happens. 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.060 Most don't believe that, you know, they're always 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:03.579 saying I'm struggling to stay alive, you know, 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:10.139 financially. What happened in your epiphany or 00:08:10.139 --> 00:08:16.040 weakness in service, were you provided for? Well, 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:21.879 you know, I came to America, you know, they took 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:28.579 some time. I worked a couple of years at JP Morgan. 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:34.740 I went to school at a graduate studies at New 00:08:34.740 --> 00:08:39.299 York University Graduate School of Business for 00:08:39.299 --> 00:08:46.639 six or seven years. I got a job at JP Morgan. 00:08:47.019 --> 00:08:51.720 And then I got some ideas about what I could 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:55.039 do to make good money. My goal was to make money. 00:08:55.379 --> 00:08:58.100 Please don't think I went into service right 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:04.179 away. I did. Right, okay, okay. I had to make 00:09:04.179 --> 00:09:09.279 money first. Okay, all right. So there was a 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.639 plan. There was a plan in place. Okay, okay, 00:09:11.740 --> 00:09:14.639 gotcha. When young people come to me and ask 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.779 me, you know, tell me that they would like to 00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:19.620 do what I'm doing. I said, no, no, no, you must 00:09:19.620 --> 00:09:23.149 go and make money and then talk about it. Okay, 00:09:23.970 --> 00:09:30.330 nobody's going to listen to you. And it took 00:09:30.330 --> 00:09:34.470 me 25 years of struggle with my own company, 00:09:34.610 --> 00:09:38.309 with my own company. And it's the field of international 00:09:38.309 --> 00:09:42.289 finance and computer technology and application 00:09:42.289 --> 00:09:46.710 computers. And at the end of 25 years, I thought 00:09:46.710 --> 00:09:50.210 I'd made enough money to get going. And I can't 00:09:50.210 --> 00:09:55.080 wait any longer. And that's when I sold my business. 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.299 I left everything behind and went to a remote 00:09:59.299 --> 00:10:03.779 village in India, South India. That's the meaning. 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:10.399 Right. So you're telling me you did not hesitate, 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:13.159 you worked a little bit first, you know, you 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.720 did to make money and then sold your business, 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.259 which was very lucrative, a thriving global business, 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.169 right? Right. I have to make money. Otherwise, 00:10:21.289 --> 00:10:27.129 what do I do? Right. Right. Right. Right. So 00:10:27.129 --> 00:10:30.110 that makes sense. You're able to give back if 00:10:30.110 --> 00:10:34.769 you have, right? You can give to service. If 00:10:34.769 --> 00:10:37.070 you don't have anything, you can't give to service. 00:10:38.009 --> 00:10:41.080 Right. Yeah. Yeah, if you want to do something 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.320 that you want to do if you want to work somewhere 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.299 that's you know assisting something Maybe you 00:10:47.299 --> 00:10:50.740 know you can earn a small salary in the NGO world 00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:53.700 the salaries are very low That's a different 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:56.539 path. I'm not saying it's a bad idea to join 00:10:56.539 --> 00:10:59.519 someone already doing but in my case I had some 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:04.019 ideas during my graduate years graduate studies 00:11:04.019 --> 00:11:12.870 that You know directed me to creating a non -governmental 00:11:12.870 --> 00:11:18.590 organization, NGO, which was to deal with poverty 00:11:18.590 --> 00:11:24.450 and social discrimination. In India, you have 00:11:24.450 --> 00:11:29.289 discrimination based on color, race, and so on. 00:11:29.309 --> 00:11:32.669 I mean, in America. But in India, it's based 00:11:32.669 --> 00:11:38.039 on caste. you're born into a segment of the society 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.580 that's considered so untouchable and so on. And 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:44.299 this has been going on for the 1 ,500 years. 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:48.419 It's nothing new. And how do you get people out 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:52.019 of it? It has not changed. And I came to the 00:11:52.019 --> 00:11:56.620 conclusion that the best way that you can hand 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:59.299 out money or feed people, but that's not going 00:11:59.299 --> 00:12:03.419 to change. You have to empower the deprived. 00:12:03.539 --> 00:12:06.750 You have to empower them. to succeed and then 00:12:06.750 --> 00:12:09.769 they break out rather than waiting from the top 00:12:09.769 --> 00:12:14.250 down to hand out something. I couldn't think 00:12:14.250 --> 00:12:17.230 of anything better than an excellent education. 00:12:18.129 --> 00:12:22.629 Education is the key, the path to prosperity 00:12:22.629 --> 00:12:27.389 and breaking the disadvantage to cost by caste. 00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:30.250 That's it. I believe the same thing. I think 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:34.049 education the mindset, you know, where you are, 00:12:34.129 --> 00:12:36.830 you know, where you are educating the mindset 00:12:36.830 --> 00:12:39.509 and your emotional wellness is so important to 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:41.629 move you forward. Because if you're still thinking 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:44.570 the same way, right, still in the same way, you're 00:12:44.570 --> 00:12:50.009 still going to stay in the same, same way. Don't 00:12:50.009 --> 00:12:52.899 wait for somebody to treat you nicely. Yeah, 00:12:52.899 --> 00:12:58.679 don't wait. Nobody's going to do that. Yes, yes. 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.340 And you got to do it first to yourself, so that's 00:13:01.340 --> 00:13:03.480 the best thing. You know, human beings, as I 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:08.679 see it, human beings sort of oppress other people 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:12.879 with whom they can. Whom they can. Unless you're 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.679 powerful enough. You have a good job. Then they 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.460 can't. They have to respect you. Right. Yes. 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:24.340 So You didn't hesitate, right, when you made 00:13:24.340 --> 00:13:26.460 this, when you walked away from the security 00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:32.139 of here and your fulfilling career to India. 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:36.100 And what emotional cost came with that decision? 00:13:36.580 --> 00:13:38.799 Did you have any kind of emotional things going 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:44.279 on? Very junior question. I've been planning 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:49.200 to do this for 25 or 30 years. So this was nothing 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:52.460 new for me. I was waiting for the best opportunity. 00:13:53.379 --> 00:13:57.220 So the general aspect was only that I was leaving 00:13:57.220 --> 00:14:01.120 my wife and my two young sons behind. I'll be 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.399 gone for months at a time. And how will they 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:08.899 manage those type of worries. But other than 00:14:08.899 --> 00:14:13.220 that, I was prepared. I was prepared to do what 00:14:13.220 --> 00:14:18.039 I had. Just that I didn't know exactly what lay 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.840 ahead. because I've not been to that part of 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.460 the world. I was in a remote village. I didn't 00:14:25.460 --> 00:14:28.779 speak their language. I was in the midst of very, 00:14:28.779 --> 00:14:31.320 very poor people who didn't trust anyone coming, 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:39.240 especially from America. People talking about 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:42.159 how to take their body parts or kidnap their 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:46.840 kids and all kinds of rumors. Yes, I got it. 00:14:48.570 --> 00:14:52.210 Yeah, and that's a feeling. That's a real concern 00:14:52.210 --> 00:14:54.950 and a feeling that you have to process, you know? 00:14:55.389 --> 00:14:58.970 Right, right. You know, it's not like they're 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:02.909 all falling for you. They don't trust you. You 00:15:02.909 --> 00:15:05.990 have to earn the trust and it takes years. And 00:15:05.990 --> 00:15:10.110 then if you mean what you're saying, you have 00:15:10.110 --> 00:15:12.570 no other agenda, you want to improve their lives. 00:15:12.909 --> 00:15:15.149 Then they ask questions, why does this guy come 00:15:15.149 --> 00:15:18.370 all the way from America to do this? What is 00:15:18.370 --> 00:15:21.490 going on? Yeah, right. Yeah. What is he doing 00:15:21.490 --> 00:15:24.450 there? What is he doing back? Like, what is he 00:15:24.450 --> 00:15:28.409 up to? Did they push him out of America? What 00:15:28.409 --> 00:15:31.610 is the reason? Yes. All these questions, right? 00:15:31.870 --> 00:15:35.899 All these questions. Yeah, many people want purpose 00:15:35.899 --> 00:15:39.120 and they want, you know, they want change. But 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.039 like you said, they have to trust you. Like, 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:44.159 and I know in my same position in coaching, people 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:48.059 have to trust you. But they don't want to be 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:52.320 uncomfortable, you know? But that comes with 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.659 choosing a change. When you teach what you teach, 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.860 that comes with the change. Did success ever 00:15:59.860 --> 00:16:04.629 become a distraction from meaning for you? Well, 00:16:05.309 --> 00:16:08.669 I had during those 25 years, the last 10 years 00:16:08.669 --> 00:16:12.730 of those 25 years, I was living in sort of luxury. 00:16:12.950 --> 00:16:16.730 I had succeeded. I was making good money. I had 00:16:16.730 --> 00:16:20.210 built a beautiful home and everything that, you 00:16:20.210 --> 00:16:22.789 know, American dream, you know, American dream 00:16:22.789 --> 00:16:29.269 was what I was chasing. And I was, I was, I was 00:16:29.269 --> 00:16:33.809 doing well and But then came a point at the end 00:16:33.809 --> 00:16:38.690 of those 10 years What do I do next, you know, 00:16:38.690 --> 00:16:42.730 right making money more money was not my purpose 00:16:42.730 --> 00:16:46.889 anymore, right I had to find satisfaction and 00:16:46.889 --> 00:16:52.669 the satisfaction was going to come from a purposeful 00:16:52.669 --> 00:16:58.690 And that is you you have the love of people you 00:16:58.690 --> 00:17:02.330 serve and you do something good for them, you 00:17:02.330 --> 00:17:07.009 see it in their eyes, you feel that you are making 00:17:07.009 --> 00:17:10.049 a difference to their lives. Those are the kind 00:17:10.049 --> 00:17:12.410 of things that are going to bring you joy. I 00:17:12.410 --> 00:17:16.789 can eat only so much. I can lie on the beachside. 00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:21.170 What else does money do? That's right. You're 00:17:21.170 --> 00:17:25.480 so right. That's what it was. sort of prepared 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.920 mentally to embark on that. And you were ready. 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:29.640 You were ready. You were like, it's enough of 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.019 that. Enough of that. Right. Yeah, because we 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.599 see that so many celebrities, and mainly some 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.299 rich people, they get to a point even like, OK, 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.319 now what do I do? Instead of saying, what do 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:47.079 I do like you? And transition to something different. 00:17:48.099 --> 00:17:53.829 They get out of here. They die. drugs or medication 00:17:53.829 --> 00:17:57.529 or they kill themselves, but you transition that, 00:17:57.849 --> 00:18:00.569 hey, I need to change. I can only make so much 00:18:00.569 --> 00:18:05.910 money, right? Right, right. Change is sometimes 00:18:05.910 --> 00:18:11.390 a little scary. Yeah, it is. Leave your comfort 00:18:11.390 --> 00:18:14.369 of your home, your surroundings and go to some 00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:16.170 strange place. You don't know what's going to 00:18:16.170 --> 00:18:18.269 happen to you. Right, right. You don't know those 00:18:18.269 --> 00:18:24.069 people. It can be a little nerve -racking but 00:18:24.069 --> 00:18:27.150 you have to be brave about it and you have to 00:18:27.150 --> 00:18:30.930 say to yourself I am going to do something for 00:18:30.930 --> 00:18:34.329 them and they're going to realize that at some 00:18:34.329 --> 00:18:37.630 point that you're there to serve them you're 00:18:37.630 --> 00:18:42.769 not there for fame or glory or reward and you're 00:18:42.769 --> 00:18:45.609 going to be with them treat them equal as equals 00:18:45.609 --> 00:18:50.670 when they see that that you're jovial, you're 00:18:50.670 --> 00:18:54.609 with them, have fun with them, and you understand 00:18:54.609 --> 00:18:58.369 them, then you'll win them over. That's where 00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:02.769 the trust happens. Yeah, that's good. Do you 00:19:02.769 --> 00:19:06.069 believe people hide inside their careers to avoid 00:19:06.069 --> 00:19:10.589 deeper questions about their life? I hear from 00:19:10.589 --> 00:19:14.769 my friends who have been in Wall Street, hedge 00:19:14.769 --> 00:19:18.430 fund managers and so on. They tell me that they 00:19:18.430 --> 00:19:20.369 have made lots of money. They don't know what 00:19:20.369 --> 00:19:24.849 to do now. They can keep making more money. Making 00:19:24.849 --> 00:19:28.069 more money is their purpose. What do you do with 00:19:28.069 --> 00:19:33.829 it? Previously it was millions, a million dollars 00:19:33.829 --> 00:19:37.049 was good enough and then few billion. Now everybody's 00:19:37.049 --> 00:19:42.059 talking about a billion dollars. absurd. And 00:19:42.059 --> 00:19:45.859 what do you do with that? So they are asking 00:19:45.859 --> 00:19:49.680 me, how did you do it? How do I go about doing 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.380 it? And then they're scared. Then they're scared. 00:19:52.660 --> 00:19:55.720 They're very comfortable with financial instruments 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:58.759 and things like that, which are all computers. 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.599 They don't like to see any human beings. That 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.259 they're very comfortable. But going to a remote 00:20:05.259 --> 00:20:10.140 place in or India or somewhere, and living with 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:13.660 these poor people and serving them and winning 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:17.900 them over, that's a different cup of tea. And 00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:23.500 you have to have the courage. And the fact is, 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:28.119 anyone can do it. You just have to be honest. 00:20:28.299 --> 00:20:32.539 You have to treat people with dignity. You have 00:20:32.539 --> 00:20:35.799 to love them. If they're children especially, 00:20:35.900 --> 00:20:38.750 you have to love them. then you win their hearts. 00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:44.309 Yeah, that's good. That's good. What mindset 00:20:44.309 --> 00:20:47.730 do you see repeatedly in successful people who 00:20:47.730 --> 00:20:59.890 still feel empty? They are not at ease. Most 00:20:59.890 --> 00:21:06.049 of them are worried all the time. Because they 00:21:06.049 --> 00:21:08.710 want more success, more money, their business 00:21:08.710 --> 00:21:12.309 deals. They're worried about the next business 00:21:12.309 --> 00:21:15.549 deal coming through or falling apart. Invested 00:21:15.549 --> 00:21:19.670 this money, invested that money. It goes on forever. 00:21:20.049 --> 00:21:23.190 Every day they wake up and next strategy, financial 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:26.970 strategy, you know. Right. You can spend your 00:21:26.970 --> 00:21:32.470 whole life doing that. Yes. Maybe there's some 00:21:32.470 --> 00:21:37.009 excitement in it. But I wasn't there for a while. 00:21:37.869 --> 00:21:41.029 I don't think it's going to get you the satisfaction 00:21:41.029 --> 00:21:43.390 I have. I'm one of the happiest people on this 00:21:43.390 --> 00:21:47.829 planet today. Mm -hmm. That's it. Well, I'm second. 00:21:48.049 --> 00:21:51.750 OK, I'm second. I am second. I am second. Oh, 00:21:51.990 --> 00:21:54.089 yeah. I love that, you know, happiness is that 00:21:54.089 --> 00:21:57.069 is, I mean, inside of you, just being happy within 00:21:57.069 --> 00:21:59.930 yourself. And I see that with you. Right. I have 00:21:59.930 --> 00:22:02.579 been small children. small children from the 00:22:02.579 --> 00:22:04.980 age of four. That's where I take the children 00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:08.099 at the age of four and they're with me all the 00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:11.660 way until they're 18, 14 years, 15 years they're 00:22:11.660 --> 00:22:15.539 with me. Actually 17 years they're with me until 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:19.640 they have a job and I see them through. Everything 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:23.579 is free. They live with me for 10 months in a 00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:26.859 year, two months they go home. So they suddenly 00:22:26.859 --> 00:22:31.819 become my children. They themselves see me as 00:22:31.819 --> 00:22:35.559 their dad. I differentiate between dad and father. 00:22:35.619 --> 00:22:40.200 I'm not a biological father. Someone who has 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.299 taken on the responsibility of bringing them 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:45.420 up. So I call, you know, they call me dad sometimes 00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:50.539 and that's fine. And I love being there with 00:22:50.539 --> 00:22:57.740 them. You know, yeah, they are so affectionate. 00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:01.829 the joy that that's a privilege yeah it's such 00:23:01.829 --> 00:23:05.289 a privilege that's beautiful so why education 00:23:05.289 --> 00:23:11.809 instead of charity relief yeah you can you there's 00:23:11.809 --> 00:23:14.910 nothing wrong in uh offering medical services 00:23:14.910 --> 00:23:19.690 for example or you care of hiv uh patients in 00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:24.710 hiv patients or people who are mentally uh you 00:23:24.710 --> 00:23:29.799 know happy in some way disadvantaged. All those 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:35.420 things are noble things to do, but I didn't have 00:23:35.420 --> 00:23:38.759 knowledge about any of those things. Though I 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.220 started a hospital there for poor people, I started 00:23:42.220 --> 00:23:47.539 a farm to give employment to women in the villages. 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.480 I did a number of things. I even got into cleaning 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:54.799 up the air, lead poisoning in India. India became 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:58.579 under a gasoline was introduced with following 00:23:58.579 --> 00:24:03.119 up four years of testing and everything else 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.019 we did. We don't have time to talk about all 00:24:06.019 --> 00:24:08.619 those things. But back to bringing up children, 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.700 I found great joy in being with the children 00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:16.779 and guiding them and motivating them and seeing 00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:19.099 their success. And I don't know whether you're 00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:24.349 aware that that the graduates after 18 years, 00:24:24.549 --> 00:24:26.990 they are working in companies like Microsoft 00:24:26.990 --> 00:24:32.170 and ExxonMobil and others. And 20 of them are 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:35.529 in America. Many of them in Ivy League, like 00:24:35.529 --> 00:24:38.849 Stanford. Stanford is not Ivy, but it's among 00:24:38.849 --> 00:24:45.329 the top. Harvard, MIT, Dartmouth, all these places. 00:24:45.529 --> 00:24:49.660 It's given a mission on merit. from a single 00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:53.460 room hut, which doesn't even have a toilet or 00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:58.460 a kitchen. From that environment, they are in 00:24:58.460 --> 00:25:02.180 these great colleges in America. Something happened 00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:06.559 in between, and that is what I try to do. Right, 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.559 that's beautiful. You are the in between. I like 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:13.769 that. What makes Shanti Biven, I'm gonna stay 00:25:13.769 --> 00:25:17.769 on your philanthropy right now, different from 00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:21.329 traditional philanthropy? That's a good question. 00:25:22.289 --> 00:25:25.970 See, most schools, most schools are day schools. 00:25:26.069 --> 00:25:27.930 In other words, you come early morning, eight 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:30.490 o 'clock, nine o 'clock, by three o 'clock, four 00:25:30.490 --> 00:25:34.269 o 'clock, right? And the responsibility is back 00:25:34.269 --> 00:25:38.269 on parents to motivate the children and do things. 00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:42.470 The schools are mostly for education in the sense 00:25:42.470 --> 00:25:46.210 of their intellectual development and all the 00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:50.349 subjects they have to learn. But here, the children 00:25:50.349 --> 00:25:53.390 are with me. I'm my responsibility. So I have 00:25:53.390 --> 00:25:57.089 several aspects of their personality. One is, 00:25:57.089 --> 00:26:00.049 of course, the quality of the education and how 00:26:00.049 --> 00:26:03.009 well they do so they get admission to good colleges 00:26:03.009 --> 00:26:05.710 and good companies. That is given. Without which, 00:26:05.849 --> 00:26:10.500 nothing is going to happen. leadership, interpersonal 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:17.619 communication, and ability to socialize in any 00:26:17.619 --> 00:26:21.160 environment, self -confidence, self -esteem. 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.240 That's another component which I have to work 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.420 on. And the third one is a little more difficult, 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.960 which there's no formula. That is, how do you 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.910 turn them into people with good values? good 00:26:35.910 --> 00:26:39.750 human beings, as they say. I'm not talking about 00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:43.509 humane values. I'm not talking about being a 00:26:43.509 --> 00:26:46.529 good public speaker or something. That's in the 00:26:46.529 --> 00:26:50.630 second aspect. Third, how do you turn someone 00:26:50.630 --> 00:26:55.950 into a generous or a humble or an honest or caring? 00:26:56.970 --> 00:27:02.609 Those are qualities that make a person human. 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.460 That's a little tricky business and that is only 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:12.480 possible if you and all the staff you have, I 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:17.319 have 175 staff working with me and they all have 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.140 to behave the same way. If they don't behave 00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:24.660 correctly, they treat the children poorly, they 00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:29.859 lie, they're arrogant, they're not humble that 00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:33.230 the children are not going to change. So my real 00:27:33.230 --> 00:27:35.750 challenge is not the children, it's the staff. 00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:41.849 How do you turn them into good people themselves? 00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:45.009 Yeah, that's good. I'm going to say the same 00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:47.509 thing about my team. I will say the same thing 00:27:47.509 --> 00:27:50.750 about how do you, you know, I also, I work with 00:27:50.750 --> 00:27:52.630 children, but not all children. I work with children 00:27:52.630 --> 00:27:56.190 and families. So I'm like, how do I turn my team 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:59.190 into that? Because they're coming to help me. 00:28:00.260 --> 00:28:03.660 into what I want the people that I'm speaking 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:09.220 to or teaching to that. I didn't think about 00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:11.960 that. That's a good one. They have to be loyal 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.299 to you. They have to be caring. They have to 00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:18.920 be devoted. There's so many aspects to that human 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:24.380 element. Yes, that's good. How did the children 00:28:24.380 --> 00:28:31.480 reshape your understanding of a family now? We 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.200 want the children to be connected to their family, 00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:40.019 no matter how poor they are. And what we try 00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:44.839 to do, we send them for two months so they know 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.539 how their families are in that hut, so they never 00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:51.339 forget it. And they have to treat their parents 00:28:51.339 --> 00:28:54.519 with respect, though these children are now very 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.279 sophisticated. you know read everything and you 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.519 know they're very different there is there are 00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.940 two words they live in but we emphasize to them 00:29:04.940 --> 00:29:09.500 when you go home clean up things you know broom 00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:13.099 the floor help your mom with cooking wash clothes 00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:16.240 do everything that you should do don't act like 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:21.980 a big shot and you should have inside you that 00:29:21.980 --> 00:29:26.490 drive to transform the family and they do. Every 00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:30.509 one of those kids got a job who's got a job. 00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:33.849 The first thing they do is to fix up the house 00:29:33.849 --> 00:29:37.609 or build a new house for their parents, make 00:29:37.609 --> 00:29:41.230 sure that the family gets enough food, put them 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:46.650 on medical insurance, buy clothing, get their 00:29:46.650 --> 00:29:49.970 sisters married. They have to pay a dowry in 00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:52.609 India, you know, that system, dowry system still 00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:55.599 exists. Girls can't get married without paying 00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:01.339 money. What to do? So all these things become 00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:04.640 their responsibility for the whole family. They 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:11.079 become the family. And so they are very connected. 00:30:12.099 --> 00:30:14.539 And I tell them, you do all these things and 00:30:14.539 --> 00:30:17.440 set it all right in the first three years and 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.160 then reach out to your community and then reach 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.420 out to the rest of the world. Wherever there 00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:24.980 is a need, wherever you feel people need your 00:30:24.980 --> 00:30:28.000 help, you help them. Hopefully, they would make 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.500 good money. If they go to Harvard and a few other 00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:33.579 places, I'm pretty sure they'll make good money. 00:30:33.619 --> 00:30:37.779 And they can afford to do that. If they live 00:30:37.779 --> 00:30:40.880 a luxurious life and waste their money, I'll 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.099 be a very disappointed man. Because their beneficiaries 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:47.099 or other people's kindness, they got to where 00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:50.119 they are by the help of other people. And if 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:57.309 they forget it, and try to just simply care for 00:30:57.309 --> 00:31:02.410 themselves only, then it's no good. Yeah, yeah, 00:31:02.470 --> 00:31:05.490 you're right. So let's go over to your personal 00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:09.009 journey now with this philanthropy and how you 00:31:09.009 --> 00:31:12.930 changed. Your mother was a very strong influence 00:31:12.930 --> 00:31:17.250 on your mission. What values from her still guide 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:23.420 your decisions today? Very major part. Mine is 00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:27.019 more of a matriarchal family. My father was really 00:31:27.019 --> 00:31:31.299 not the dominant figure. My mother was, you know, 00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:36.039 she studied physics. She was the second woman 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.839 in India. to get a PhD in physics, second two 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.059 months in India. And she worked for NASA, National 00:31:46.059 --> 00:31:49.359 Bureau of Standards in Washington DC, taught 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.859 at NYU and so many things. She came at an early 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:58.099 age of 40 to America and alone and made it. She 00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:03.460 was a dynamic figure. She let us be ourselves. 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.230 She let us... Go and play, make friends, do our 00:32:07.230 --> 00:32:10.910 things. But we have to do the right thing. We 00:32:10.910 --> 00:32:15.390 cannot do anything that is not correct. So freedom 00:32:15.390 --> 00:32:21.529 was given to us. And my mother's role was being 00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:27.910 a friend more than a mother. And she always encouraged 00:32:27.910 --> 00:32:31.500 everything I did. She didn't agree with it. She 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:34.740 would tell me. But otherwise, whenever I was 00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:37.299 down, she said, no, no, no. You will succeed. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.220 Work harder. Do this or do that. So she had a 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:46.680 very profound impact on me. And after the very 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.799 last day, until her deathbed, in the deathbed, 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.599 I was talking to her in the middle of the night. 00:32:56.650 --> 00:32:59.089 And after everything you've accomplished, how 00:32:59.089 --> 00:33:07.890 do you define success now? My definition of success 00:33:07.890 --> 00:33:15.269 is how I'm able to fulfill my mission of serving 00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:21.269 people. How many people are impacted by me in 00:33:21.269 --> 00:33:24.009 a correct way, not enough just feeding something 00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:27.549 or anything like that. They have to transform 00:33:27.549 --> 00:33:31.089 their lives, their family. They come out of poverty. 00:33:31.970 --> 00:33:36.670 They're able to take care of their homes, their 00:33:36.670 --> 00:33:41.130 parents, their siblings. And then they are able 00:33:41.130 --> 00:33:45.089 to do good to other people. Ultimate is if they 00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:47.450 are really successful, they have the heart to 00:33:47.450 --> 00:33:49.769 reach out to other people, strangers in need, 00:33:50.029 --> 00:33:54.089 not their own blood, strangers in need. And if 00:33:54.089 --> 00:33:57.970 they do that, then I call myself successful. 00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:02.329 And for that, I talk to them constantly, constantly. 00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.299 Nobody is testing your blood to see your blood, 00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:10.179 you know. That's all nonsense. Well, we hope 00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:14.579 not. If you're married to some guy or a girl, 00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:17.659 it is different. So why are you talking about 00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:22.219 blood? That makes sense. That makes a whole lot 00:34:22.219 --> 00:34:25.519 of sense. So we're at the part where it's the 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.059 rapid finish. So you're going to finish the sentence. 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.300 that I'm gonna give you and you fill in the blank, 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.559 okay? Dr. George, you're ready? Oh, boy. All 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:42.000 right. Purpose begins when? Purpose begins when 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:50.719 you decide and plan on an action to help someone 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:57.780 else. Good. And contribute to their well -being. 00:34:57.789 --> 00:35:02.150 Not yours. Oh, that's good. That's good. That's 00:35:02.150 --> 00:35:07.630 really good. People delay helping because... 00:35:07.630 --> 00:35:09.570 Most of the people delay helping because they 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:13.210 want to make a little more money and money chasing 00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:16.929 never ends. All because they're afraid to do 00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:21.309 something they're not familiar with. And they 00:35:21.309 --> 00:35:23.969 are quite comfortable in their comfort zone. 00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:31.219 Yeah. That's good. Real compassion requires action. 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.099 Being empathetic, they don't do anything to the 00:35:36.099 --> 00:35:39.380 other person. You can feel good about the fact 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:42.659 that you are a compassionate guy, but what has 00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:45.300 it done for the other person unless you act on 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:51.360 it? That's good. That's really good. Last one. 00:35:51.579 --> 00:35:57.199 A meaningful life includes Meaningful life includes 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:02.119 taking care of your family and helping those 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.039 who need your help, those who are suffering. 00:36:05.980 --> 00:36:09.340 And believe me, there's so many people who are 00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:11.400 suffering. I just want to give you a statistic. 00:36:11.619 --> 00:36:17.920 Top 10 % of the world population own approximately 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:25.280 75 % of the world's wealth. The bottom 50 % of 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:30.480 the world's population own less than 3 % of the 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.679 world's wealth. Look at the disparity, others 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:39.900 all in between. And so that 50 % is going on 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:43.860 with a very hard life. And you can make it better. 00:36:44.019 --> 00:36:48.639 So the top 10 % would give 10 % of their wealth, 00:36:49.059 --> 00:36:53.820 10 % of their income. Keep 90 for yourself. The 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:56.699 border 50 will not be where they are. They will 00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:02.840 be quite comfortable. Yes, okay. So how can the 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.599 audience either donate or read about or know 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:11.039 about what you do and be a part of it? Right. 00:37:11.539 --> 00:37:14.340 You know, people like me or those who are in 00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:16.880 the service industry, you know, I made money 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.699 and then I lost money sometime during the 19, 00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:25.599 2007, 2009, you know, recession time, I mean, 00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:29.000 meltdown, financial meltdown. And since then, 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.579 I've been relying on donations. The first 15 00:37:31.579 --> 00:37:35.460 years or so, I was able to do it myself. So now 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:40.460 donations will make a difference. People can 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:45.500 find our organization, Shanti Baban. Just Google 00:37:45.500 --> 00:37:48.019 my name, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.880 and you will find my name. So it's not very difficult. 00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.480 And you can find my website. You can find them. 00:37:55.659 --> 00:37:58.599 Yes, you could find them. That's right. My parents 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.239 planned this, you know, to give me this name. 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.960 easy way of finding me I don't want to give anybody 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.960 a website because you can find by googling my 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:16.079 name and I wrote a book called mountains to cross 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.059 which was published last month and it has already 00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:25.179 become a bestseller Amazon bestseller USA today 00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:30.639 bestseller and also readers weekly digest bestseller 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.500 so Matt Seller, and I think if you are looking 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:39.880 for inspiration, wanting to do some service for 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.940 others, how you can do it, what obstacles you 00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:45.760 are likely to confront, how do you overcome them, 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.019 how do you have the inner courage, I urge you 00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:53.079 to take a look at it. Whatever royalty that comes 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.300 to me will be going to the welfare of the children, 00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:02.440 nothing for myself I am looking for. the readers 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.980 make small contribution, big contribution doesn't 00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:09.840 matter as long as you reach out and give a little 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.340 bit of your heart. Okay, so last thing for the 00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:18.019 persons listening who feels they've achieved 00:39:18.019 --> 00:39:21.260 stability but not fulfillment, where should they 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:26.199 start Dr. George? They should start reasonably 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:32.170 early now. Small things, very small things. Maybe 00:39:32.170 --> 00:39:37.070 once a year, supply some books or some clothing. 00:39:37.409 --> 00:39:40.469 Just give enough money or buy the clothes or 00:39:40.469 --> 00:39:44.309 something. Those who are at the bottom, I mean 00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:46.489 bottom means those who don't have a lot of needs. 00:39:47.469 --> 00:39:51.150 But then later on, you sponsor one child, one 00:39:51.150 --> 00:39:53.429 child, and this couple of thousand dollars a 00:39:53.429 --> 00:39:58.010 year will take care of that. then maybe 10, then 00:39:58.010 --> 00:40:02.090 finally you have lots of money, you help build 00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:06.929 a building or something. So it all depends where 00:40:06.929 --> 00:40:12.710 you are in that process of being financially 00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:17.170 successful, but it doesn't matter, small or big, 00:40:18.409 --> 00:40:23.269 help according to your needs. That's beautiful. 00:40:25.369 --> 00:40:28.289 Conversation stirs your audience. If it got you 00:40:28.289 --> 00:40:30.530 excited about doing something or being part of 00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:32.929 something bigger than yourself, don't ignore 00:40:32.929 --> 00:40:35.510 it. That's usually the signal that your next 00:40:35.510 --> 00:40:39.050 chapter is asking you to participate. You can 00:40:39.050 --> 00:40:41.730 learn more about Dr. Abraham George and his mission 00:40:41.730 --> 00:40:46.030 at DrAbrahamGeorge .com. This is keeping you 00:40:46.030 --> 00:40:50.210 real on purpose. DRAbrahamGeorge .com. Yes, DR. 00:40:50.389 --> 00:40:53.210 Okay, I forgot to say that. That's right. DR 00:40:53.210 --> 00:40:58.079 Abraham. George .com, okay? I messed that up. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.719 Okay, this is Keeping It Real On Purpose. I'm 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.940 your host, Edna White. We have real stories, 00:41:03.139 --> 00:41:05.559 real reflection, and real direction. I'll see 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.340 you next episode. If you want this episode and 00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:12.199 your healing, go on EdnaWhite .com. See you next 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.380 time around. Bye for now. Thank you, Edna.