WEBVTT 00:00:07.980 --> 00:00:10.480 Are you tired of mental health solutions that 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.660 just don't work? What if the future of psychiatry 00:00:14.660 --> 00:00:18.960 isn't about more pills, but about a whole new 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:24.059 healing of the mind and body together? Today, 00:00:24.059 --> 00:00:26.500 you're about to meet the doctor who's rewriting 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:29.820 the rule book. Welcome back to Keeping It Real 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:33.159 on Purpose. I'm your host, Edna White, and today's 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:38.310 guest is Dr. Paul D. Corona, MD. He's a Southern 00:00:38.310 --> 00:00:42.090 California based physician with over 30 years 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:45.609 of experience who's reshaping the future of psychiatry 00:00:45.609 --> 00:00:50.289 and family medicine. Dr. Corona isn't your typical 00:00:50.289 --> 00:00:53.530 physician. After starting his family medicine, 00:00:54.149 --> 00:00:58.329 he transitioned into psychiatry where he developed 00:00:58.329 --> 00:01:02.390 his own pioneering method called mind and body 00:01:02.390 --> 00:01:06.230 healing. He's the author of the My Mind and Body 00:01:06.230 --> 00:01:09.049 Healing series and the latest book, The Corona 00:01:09.049 --> 00:01:12.750 Protocol. He breaks down the revolutionary strategies 00:01:12.750 --> 00:01:16.250 that challenge conventional treatments and gets 00:01:16.250 --> 00:01:19.569 real results. Welcome to the show, Dr. Paul. 00:01:20.209 --> 00:01:21.769 Thank you so much. It's great to be on with you. 00:01:21.950 --> 00:01:24.650 Oh, I'm so glad you're here. So I want to get 00:01:24.650 --> 00:01:27.810 right into it and get the flow going. Dr. Paul, 00:01:27.969 --> 00:01:31.650 you talk about mind and body healing. In my work, 00:01:31.650 --> 00:01:35.109 I see how trauma gets trapped in the body and 00:01:35.109 --> 00:01:37.930 keeps people from living fully. How does your 00:01:37.930 --> 00:01:40.909 approach actually free people from that cycle? 00:01:41.969 --> 00:01:45.230 Well, when I first got into medical school, I 00:01:45.230 --> 00:01:47.409 didn't really know what I wanted to do. I liked 00:01:47.409 --> 00:01:50.530 a little of everything. I chose to become a family 00:01:50.530 --> 00:01:53.030 doctor because I thought, well, I can do psychiatry. 00:01:53.109 --> 00:01:57.310 I can do pediatrics and all this. And during 00:01:57.310 --> 00:02:01.310 the 1990s when I started, there were some really 00:02:01.310 --> 00:02:05.849 great medications that came out. And one called 00:02:05.849 --> 00:02:09.469 Effexor, which was after the first three SSRIs, 00:02:09.550 --> 00:02:13.060 like Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil. And the difference 00:02:13.060 --> 00:02:16.539 is it also balances not just serotonin but norepinephrine. 00:02:16.580 --> 00:02:19.240 So I started seeing with my patients, I was giving 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:21.620 it to you saying, you know what, my headaches 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:23.860 are gone, my back pain is better, my neck, my 00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:27.039 shoulders, my stomach. So I started seeing this 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.240 physical link with, and I started to see this 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.780 with emotion that the stress was causing. body, 00:02:36.060 --> 00:02:38.919 irritable bowel syndrome, fibromyalgia, and especially 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.199 the neck and upper neck and shoulder area, that 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.120 area. So I started seeing this link and realizing 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.360 that there was a chemical nature to the link 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.719 and that it tied in with stress. So during the 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.419 1990s, I was just fascinated by this. And during 00:02:52.419 --> 00:02:55.580 that decade, I got more and more interested in 00:02:55.580 --> 00:03:00.080 psychiatry. And just basically in about 2000 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.500 or so, I phased into giving up my primary care 00:03:03.500 --> 00:03:06.680 practice. of psychiatry. I think what happens, 00:03:06.860 --> 00:03:09.780 these psychiatrists think about the brain, but 00:03:09.780 --> 00:03:12.759 not the body. And I think primary care doctors 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:14.620 think about the body, but not the brain. And 00:03:14.620 --> 00:03:18.120 so what I kind of did is put them together. And 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.060 that led to my first series of books, which took 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:24.300 me 12 years to complete, called Healing the Mind 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:27.039 and Body. And so I just basically documenting 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.719 everything I had learned. And I wrote the books 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:32.740 because, well, I wrote the first, but not knowing 00:03:32.740 --> 00:03:35.780 I would. Eventually write six books. Mm -hmm. 00:03:35.860 --> 00:03:37.919 So the chronic protocol is my sixth book, but 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.099 I didn't realize but I just the but I I knew 00:03:42.099 --> 00:03:44.580 that I was seeing something that I wasn't reading 00:03:44.580 --> 00:03:47.180 about the textbooks that I was reading types. 00:03:47.379 --> 00:03:49.060 I know books They weren't talking about it. So 00:03:49.060 --> 00:03:52.400 I I started writing because I realized that this 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:57.759 information wasn't readily available and That's 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.300 good. That's good Most of my audience has been 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:05.379 told just manage and their anxiety or depression. 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.759 You don't sound like that type of person to say 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.439 that. What do you say to people who are tired 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:14.439 of band -aid fixes? Tired of what? Band -aid 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:20.180 fixes. Upstanding prescriptions? Band -aid fixes. 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:27.040 Like the general fixes. About anxiety and depression? 00:04:27.339 --> 00:04:31.149 Yes. Well, I mean, I think that people have to 00:04:31.149 --> 00:04:35.370 remember everyone's got stress in their lives. 00:04:35.930 --> 00:04:39.930 Everyone kind of feels sad off and on. There's 00:04:39.930 --> 00:04:42.769 a difference between normal stress and the normal 00:04:42.769 --> 00:04:45.930 sadness of time with an actual clinical problem 00:04:45.930 --> 00:04:49.430 where with anxiety, an anxiety disorder is more 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:55.110 pervasive, more persistent. Or with the major 00:04:55.110 --> 00:04:57.550 depressive disorder, the sadness is more than 00:04:57.550 --> 00:05:01.829 just occasional, it's just persistent. When I 00:05:01.829 --> 00:05:04.269 hear people tell me, I just don't feel myself 00:05:04.269 --> 00:05:06.829 anymore, I used to feel good and this is not 00:05:06.829 --> 00:05:10.519 me. That's where I step in and say, OK, that's 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.019 my goal with all my patients is to get them back 00:05:13.019 --> 00:05:15.800 themselves again. A lot of people feel guilty 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.319 and they feel shame like my life is OK. I don't 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.740 have any reason to feel this way. And so there's 00:05:21.740 --> 00:05:24.860 a lot of guilt and shame around mood issues because 00:05:24.860 --> 00:05:28.240 people think psychiatric issues are not are different 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.779 than others in medicine. They think it's just 00:05:30.779 --> 00:05:32.839 all in your mind. You should be able to be tough 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:34.899 enough. You should be especially men. I think 00:05:34.899 --> 00:05:39.160 men get it. Even men get it. because men are 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.079 macho things. Men don't like to display signs 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.819 of weakness. So it's a difficult area that a 00:05:44.819 --> 00:05:47.639 lot of people struggle with. And a lot of people 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.540 struggle with the treatment because a lot of 00:05:49.540 --> 00:05:52.220 people don't want to take medication. Not that 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:54.300 that's the only option, but it's a very good 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.120 option other than counseling and exercise and 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:04.709 all that. Awesome. Why did you stop? going by 00:06:04.709 --> 00:06:07.329 that traditional playbook that everybody goes 00:06:07.329 --> 00:06:10.910 by and what made you stop doing that? Well, because 00:06:10.910 --> 00:06:14.209 I realized it was wrong and I realized a lot 00:06:14.209 --> 00:06:17.329 of things I was reading just weren't true. Here's 00:06:17.329 --> 00:06:21.250 a typical example. An SSRI. Well, one is the 00:06:21.250 --> 00:06:23.670 SSRIs are the best first -line medications. I 00:06:23.670 --> 00:06:26.910 disagree. Most doctors will give people Zoloft 00:06:26.910 --> 00:06:32.209 or Lexapro. They do. And I think the problem 00:06:32.209 --> 00:06:35.670 is SSRIs are, I think, the second best first 00:06:35.670 --> 00:06:37.709 line treatment, not the best first line, like 00:06:37.709 --> 00:06:41.410 most doctors. There's so many side effects. The 00:06:41.410 --> 00:06:43.250 other thing is that, oh, it's going to take four 00:06:43.250 --> 00:06:45.970 to six to eight weeks for this medication. Yeah, 00:06:46.250 --> 00:06:48.709 I thought it was that. Yes. That's complete nonsense. 00:06:48.930 --> 00:06:51.949 That's never been true ever. But somehow that 00:06:51.949 --> 00:06:55.360 myth is out there. And so in medications, especially 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:57.639 if you dose them correctly, should take no more 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:02.160 than a week to two with them to work. There's 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.079 also a lack of creativity about how to combine 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.879 medications together that have different modes 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.000 of action that. Yes, yes. There's a lot of there's 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.980 a lot of just same old same old out there. I 00:07:14.980 --> 00:07:17.259 just don't see a lot of creativity. I don't see, 00:07:17.259 --> 00:07:20.420 you know, because the rules, I think the psychiatric 00:07:20.420 --> 00:07:24.060 rules are wrong. And so I. things aren't right 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:28.199 here. And so the conventional way to do anything 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.379 is boring. It's not exciting. It's not getting 00:07:31.379 --> 00:07:36.439 people fully better. My goal is called remission. 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.519 Remission means people getting people fully better. 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.399 No symptoms at all. That's my goal with everyone. 00:07:43.540 --> 00:07:45.680 Where most doctors will get people the better. 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:47.699 Are you better? Yeah, I'm better. But, well, 00:07:47.699 --> 00:07:51.660 OK, good. Goodbye. Right. You can leave now. 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:53.649 But it's like, yeah, but I'm still I still not 00:07:53.649 --> 00:07:56.149 sleeping well. Well, you know get some exercise 00:07:56.149 --> 00:07:59.089 again. Goodbye. So a lot of doctors, you know 00:07:59.089 --> 00:08:02.050 blow people off Don't spend enough time with 00:08:02.050 --> 00:08:04.589 them, you know customer service is terrible in 00:08:04.589 --> 00:08:08.269 medicine usually what I try to do with my patients 00:08:08.269 --> 00:08:11.189 is spend really a adequate amount of time with 00:08:11.189 --> 00:08:14.269 them and Listen to all their concerns explain 00:08:14.269 --> 00:08:17.389 what I'm doing, you know, you know Which is unusual 00:08:17.389 --> 00:08:19.550 in medicine that I can actually actually return 00:08:19.550 --> 00:08:22.129 every phone call every day same day every email 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:24.920 It takes a lot to keep up with all of it, but 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.160 I'm dedicated to my patients and getting them 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.879 better and keeping it moving. Right. I love what 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.519 you're saying because I've had a client that 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:38.399 actually she had an adverse reaction to it when 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:42.899 she was depressed. She got more depressed. Have 00:08:42.899 --> 00:08:47.470 you seen things like that? What's happening is 00:08:47.470 --> 00:08:51.350 it's a misdiagnosis. And so if someone is depressed 00:08:51.350 --> 00:08:54.149 and antidepressants makes them more depressed, 00:08:55.009 --> 00:08:58.590 or it makes them feel suicidal, and you're gonna 00:08:58.590 --> 00:09:01.070 see that with like the black box warning, and 00:09:01.070 --> 00:09:03.110 that's what scares people. Oh, well, if you hear 00:09:03.110 --> 00:09:05.450 what they say, it's gonna cause suicide. It doesn't 00:09:05.450 --> 00:09:08.950 do that. If you're depressed, truly depressed, 00:09:09.950 --> 00:09:13.440 they don't take lives. What's going on is... 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.039 it's a misdiagnosis that the person might have 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.899 a subtle case of bipolar disorder. Right, I got 00:09:18.899 --> 00:09:21.840 you. Okay, okay. Bipolar disorder doesn't necessarily 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.200 mean the mania. You know, the more subtle variation 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.779 of bipolar disorder, bipolar depression, which 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:31.360 is not very pretty indistinguishable sometimes 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.120 with regular depression, but if you ask the right 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:35.820 question to get the right history, you should 00:09:35.820 --> 00:09:38.980 be able to. Right, right. So if I see that happening 00:09:38.980 --> 00:09:41.399 with any antidepressant, I pull it away immediately 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.600 and go a different direction, saying, OK, we 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.639 need to start with a mood stabilizer. We need 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:47.220 to go a whole different direction with this person. 00:09:47.299 --> 00:09:49.820 Right, right. Gotcha. Yeah, because I've seen 00:09:49.820 --> 00:09:53.279 even they spend a little bit of time with you, 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.299 and then they're already prescribing medicines, 00:09:56.379 --> 00:09:59.580 and I don't like that. And I'm so glad that you're 00:09:59.580 --> 00:10:03.159 talking about this now because it's so important. 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:05.639 Yeah, absolutely. I agree with you. Yeah, it's 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.860 so important. They just want to dole out the 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:11.100 pills, you know, it's like here you go You know, 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.159 and let's talk about like how medications like 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:18.559 you said prior is how they can sometimes Conflict 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.320 with either other medications and and you know 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.860 not be effective I'm sorry. I had my my volume 00:10:26.860 --> 00:10:30.019 is on so can you guys that one more time? I Said 00:10:30.019 --> 00:10:33.870 you said something about you know, medications 00:10:33.870 --> 00:10:37.110 sometimes don't mix well with other medications 00:10:37.110 --> 00:10:40.009 or, you know, kind of, you know, obstruct the 00:10:40.009 --> 00:10:44.149 person. What do you mean by that? Well, it's 00:10:44.149 --> 00:10:47.590 got to be, I mean, if a medication is causing 00:10:47.590 --> 00:10:50.269 side effects with minimal benefit, it's just 00:10:50.269 --> 00:10:52.269 the wrong medication. For example, let's take 00:10:52.269 --> 00:10:55.299 an SSRI. Okay. Problems with necessary which 00:10:55.299 --> 00:10:57.120 is the most common things given most problem 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.639 common is apathy feeling flat feeling lack of 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:05.360 emotion. Yes sexual side effects So there you 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.320 know, I mean, but if it's working really well 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.519 It has a couple side effects, you know, maybe 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.340 I add will view trainer to take we take care 00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:15.080 of the side effects So there is you know, there's 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.620 ways of mixing things together, but I want you 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:20.799 okay If someone's not on the right one, I think 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.740 that I think I can do better. I'm not going to 00:11:23.740 --> 00:11:26.899 add something to something that's not already 00:11:26.899 --> 00:11:29.580 a good medication. A lot of my patients are on 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:32.659 two or three things, but I explain to them why, 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.919 if they want to get that really, if they really 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.759 want to get to their goal, which is the back 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.240 to themselves again. It often takes more than 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:43.779 one, but again, what I do is I draw diagrams, 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.860 I explain how the nervous system works. I explain, 00:11:46.940 --> 00:11:48.440 here's what this medication does, here's what 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:51.690 that does. do an explanation with every patient. 00:11:51.889 --> 00:11:54.210 Here's what I'm doing. Here's why I'm doing it. 00:11:54.450 --> 00:11:58.990 So just openly communicating with them and then 00:11:58.990 --> 00:12:01.250 listening to them and listening to what are you 00:12:01.250 --> 00:12:03.169 concerned? What have you tried in the past that 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:07.370 didn't work? So you just have to really be open 00:12:07.370 --> 00:12:09.990 communication with patients. Sure. You're empowering 00:12:09.990 --> 00:12:12.990 the patient. That's great. Empower them, exactly. 00:12:16.469 --> 00:12:20.509 And my success rate is extremely high because 00:12:20.509 --> 00:12:22.330 I've had so much experience doing things the 00:12:22.330 --> 00:12:24.929 way I do it. And it's kind of my own methods 00:12:24.929 --> 00:12:27.269 in a sense because I learned how to do it on 00:12:27.269 --> 00:12:30.250 my own, really, without much guidance. But just 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:32.370 figuring it out on my own. Yeah, that's good. 00:12:33.190 --> 00:12:37.529 You help your clients or your patients understand 00:12:37.529 --> 00:12:41.610 mental health. And sometimes we want it to work 00:12:41.610 --> 00:12:44.320 really quickly. How do you help them? understand 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.720 it's not a quick, you know, not a quick fix, 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:50.440 but it's a balance. Well, it's fairly quick. 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:53.320 I mean, the medications should work within a 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.899 week or two. So I basically it might take more 00:12:55.899 --> 00:12:58.679 than a day or two. But the first week, we're 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.220 going to see something positive by the second 00:13:01.220 --> 00:13:04.379 week. Okay, something positive. I'm telling them 00:13:04.379 --> 00:13:07.159 ahead of time what to expect. And then if you're, 00:13:07.419 --> 00:13:09.159 hey, if you're not seeing what I'm just saying 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.940 right now, right, call me because if you're not 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:14.399 seeing because I What I do with every patient, 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.019 every new patient especially, or every time I 00:13:17.019 --> 00:13:18.820 start a new medication, I tell them to call me 00:13:18.820 --> 00:13:22.690 in a week. call me in a week and let me know 00:13:22.690 --> 00:13:25.429 how the first week goes. I can tell by the first 00:13:25.429 --> 00:13:27.490 week of someone taking it if it's the right fit 00:13:27.490 --> 00:13:30.409 or not. Okay. Okay. I might after the first week 00:13:30.409 --> 00:13:32.450 say, okay, that's good. Let's try increasing 00:13:32.450 --> 00:13:34.549 the dose to here before I see you before I talk 00:13:34.549 --> 00:13:37.269 to you again. And so I do things very deliberately, 00:13:37.269 --> 00:13:40.929 but I work quickly and I don't want people suffering 00:13:40.929 --> 00:13:46.330 needlessly when I can fix it super quickly. Usually 00:13:46.330 --> 00:13:48.450 within two to three visits, I get almost pretty 00:13:48.450 --> 00:13:52.480 much most people better. Okay. Which is within 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:57.240 a month, a month, a month, the most. Well, why 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.299 do you think they're saying, you know, it takes 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:03.059 so long to get a result from it? Why do you think 00:14:03.059 --> 00:14:06.200 that's being said? Why it takes so long for things 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.259 to work? I mean, yeah, like, you know, initially 00:14:08.259 --> 00:14:10.600 they said, oh, it takes up to four to four weeks 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.559 or something to get into your system. They're 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.759 not being aggressive enough. So they, okay, we're 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.850 gonna. on this, we'll put you on Zoloft, 25 milligrams 00:14:19.850 --> 00:14:23.289 for a month or two, and then 50 for a month or 00:14:23.289 --> 00:14:26.590 two, and then 100. It's like, no, 50 for a week, 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:30.169 100 for a week. So what I do is I work quickly 00:14:30.169 --> 00:14:35.429 and much more quickly. Most doctors drag their 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:38.230 feet, and then two or three months are passing 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:41.009 and barely anything's happening. The thing is, 00:14:41.309 --> 00:14:43.490 a lot of patients are gonna drop out by that 00:14:43.490 --> 00:14:45.730 point. They're gonna stay. forget this, it's 00:14:45.730 --> 00:14:48.289 not working, I didn't think it would work. So 00:14:48.289 --> 00:14:50.529 then all of a sudden you lose that patient and 00:14:50.529 --> 00:14:52.370 that patient may never get treated the rest of 00:14:52.370 --> 00:14:56.490 their life. Right, exactly. The doctor didn't 00:14:56.490 --> 00:15:01.049 tell, wasn't aggressive enough. Right. And then 00:15:01.049 --> 00:15:03.649 keep that person in a sufferer needlessly probably 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:06.090 the rest of their life because they don't trust 00:15:06.090 --> 00:15:07.789 the doctor anymore. They say, oh well I've tried 00:15:07.789 --> 00:15:09.490 that. Well maybe you didn't try the right thing. 00:15:09.769 --> 00:15:12.029 or maybe didn't go to the right doctor. But a 00:15:12.029 --> 00:15:14.590 lot of time, you know, and again, in this area 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:18.090 of medicine, you know, we, you know, the consequences 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:20.250 can be dire. If someone isn't treated properly, 00:15:20.429 --> 00:15:23.370 we got the possibility if someone feels hopeless, 00:15:23.649 --> 00:15:25.730 I'm never going to feel better. So what's the 00:15:25.730 --> 00:15:28.370 point of being around anymore? So there's a lot 00:15:28.370 --> 00:15:31.789 of that, I think, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. 00:15:32.409 --> 00:15:34.590 That's good info. That's good. What he said is 00:15:34.590 --> 00:15:37.029 really good info. Listen to what he's saying. 00:15:37.149 --> 00:15:39.460 It's really good. Okay, so we're gonna switch 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.360 the gears to your new book the corona protocol 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.179 Yeah, so what was one insight give us one insight 00:15:46.179 --> 00:15:49.120 that will blow the conversation about treating 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.139 mental health wrong for decades Before that I 00:15:52.139 --> 00:15:53.759 after my first three books before I talk about 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:57.820 that. I wrote I wrote two books for dog I really 00:15:57.820 --> 00:15:59.279 realized that my first three books. I really 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.039 need to teach I need to teach doctors, especially 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.200 primary care doctors. I wrote you put them aside 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:09.159 Well, my new book, one thing is the title and 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.539 the subtitle is the part that like blows people 00:16:11.539 --> 00:16:15.340 away. So it's called The Corona Protocol, a scientifically 00:16:15.340 --> 00:16:19.179 proven medical solution to stop addiction, bullying, 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:23.649 homelessness, school shootings and suicide. years 00:16:23.649 --> 00:16:27.230 in the making. So this book, basically, what 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:29.649 I did, I kind of changed directions with this 00:16:29.649 --> 00:16:32.309 book, because I've always loved fiction. I'm 00:16:32.309 --> 00:16:35.330 a fiction reader. So I wanted to make this more 00:16:35.330 --> 00:16:37.590 about storytelling. So basically, the book is 00:16:37.590 --> 00:16:40.690 30 original short stories about different people 00:16:40.690 --> 00:16:43.289 that have different struggles. And I tell their 00:16:43.289 --> 00:16:47.669 stories, and then I tell how I treated them. 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:51.190 And so I talk about anxiety, depression, bipolar 00:16:51.190 --> 00:16:55.299 disorder, PTSD. eating disorders. Then I talk 00:16:55.299 --> 00:16:59.559 about personality disorders like narcissism and 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.500 sociopaths. And then I talk about all those things 00:17:03.500 --> 00:17:06.640 on the subtitle I just said. So it's a lot in 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.599 this book. I'm really proud of how it came out. 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.339 It's done very well. And then after I finished 00:17:13.339 --> 00:17:16.900 this book, I completed a month or two ago, I 00:17:16.900 --> 00:17:20.599 went back and finished the other two teaching 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.170 books. And so those are... those are being manufactured 00:17:23.170 --> 00:17:26.670 currently and so then I'll have my finished six 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:29.849 books and then I'm done writing no more and no 00:17:29.849 --> 00:17:33.970 more after 23 years and six books is enough and 00:17:33.970 --> 00:17:38.950 then I'm sick of writing you like the third author 00:17:38.950 --> 00:17:43.410 that said that no more that's it no more that's 00:17:43.410 --> 00:17:46.190 enough that's enough yeah yeah but the book you 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:48.529 know what can I you know there's there's so many 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:51.640 the stories in the books, I think people really 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:54.920 love, you know, there's some sad ending, there's 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.500 some happy ending. It's just like, just it's 00:17:57.500 --> 00:17:59.819 not every, not everything is a happy ending. 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.779 And, and so, but yeah, but I think it's an inspiring 00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:05.859 book. People said they're very inspired by it. 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:09.549 And then realizing that, you know, I have I sound 00:18:09.549 --> 00:18:11.269 like that story, you know, that story sounds 00:18:11.269 --> 00:18:13.670 so much like me. So I try to make some of them 00:18:13.670 --> 00:18:16.769 are based on real patients. Just change the specifics. 00:18:17.529 --> 00:18:21.009 And some of them are based on some patients. 00:18:21.289 --> 00:18:25.210 But I try to make each story relevant to people. 00:18:25.490 --> 00:18:27.869 So anyone who's struggling with any type of mental 00:18:27.869 --> 00:18:30.130 health issue can find at least one story in this 00:18:30.130 --> 00:18:34.640 book that's going to be helpful. Okay, all right. 00:18:34.980 --> 00:18:37.380 What's one thing that, you know, one, you know, 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:41.000 maybe one conversation or, you know, a chapter 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.759 that would be so outstanding that set out for 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.819 you, that you, you know, you like the most? I 00:18:46.819 --> 00:18:49.099 know you like every bit of it, but just one part. 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.700 I like, I guess the first chapter is on anxiety 00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:56.240 disorders. Gotcha. I tell a couple stories about 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.680 two different people who struggle with it. Why 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.180 that chapter? Because Anxiety is the number one 00:19:02.180 --> 00:19:05.420 thing I see. Yes, and I hear it everywhere. It's 00:19:05.420 --> 00:19:07.920 the number one most common psychiatric illness, 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.000 or whether it's social anxiety, or generalized 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.500 anxiety, or phobias, or whatnot, or generalized 00:19:15.500 --> 00:19:19.299 anxiety, or panic attacks. I mean, it's a miserable 00:19:19.299 --> 00:19:22.420 condition to have, and it's the most common. 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:24.960 So that's why I wanted to make that opening chapter 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:29.269 really pop up. And so I think that chapter turned 00:19:29.269 --> 00:19:31.289 out really well. And the depression chapter, 00:19:31.430 --> 00:19:33.990 the bipolar chapter, I think I like them all. 00:19:35.029 --> 00:19:38.569 You know, I really put a lot of time into developing 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:40.509 each story. You know, it took me like, I don't 00:19:40.509 --> 00:19:42.089 know, four or five years for me to finish this 00:19:42.089 --> 00:19:46.130 book. But I took the time with it to make sure 00:19:46.130 --> 00:19:49.529 I got everything right on it. Right, right. Okay. 00:19:49.970 --> 00:19:52.710 Good. Good stuff. So you're bringing this message 00:19:52.710 --> 00:19:58.049 also to more people with the Dr. Pol show. From 00:19:58.049 --> 00:20:00.890 your perspective, why do we need to have these 00:20:00.890 --> 00:20:03.809 conversations out loud instead of behind the 00:20:03.809 --> 00:20:06.849 doctor's office doors? Well, I got approached 00:20:06.849 --> 00:20:12.150 by a patient of mine sent a woman in my book, 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:17.769 my recent book. She owned a TV network through 00:20:17.769 --> 00:20:22.329 a Roku, an Amazon fire. Anyway, and she knows 00:20:22.329 --> 00:20:24.849 we had a zoom meeting and she said she liked 00:20:24.849 --> 00:20:26.910 my book a lot and she said, you know Would you 00:20:26.910 --> 00:20:28.910 be interested in doing a reality show based on 00:20:28.910 --> 00:20:33.490 what you do? and so I said sure and so we are 00:20:33.490 --> 00:20:38.150 in our fourth or fifth season now, but Basically 00:20:38.150 --> 00:20:41.309 the show is me most of the show besides the interviews 00:20:41.309 --> 00:20:44.150 I do is me sitting with patients So I basically 00:20:44.150 --> 00:20:46.750 pick people with really interesting stories who 00:20:46.750 --> 00:20:49.970 are willing to come on camera and we sit down 00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:52.990 usually about a half hour and and basically they 00:20:52.990 --> 00:20:55.150 I they go through their story and then what led 00:20:55.150 --> 00:20:57.950 them to see me and I talked about the treatment 00:20:57.950 --> 00:21:01.250 and then they usually they're all happy endings 00:21:01.250 --> 00:21:02.890 because I wouldn't probably have men otherwise 00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:06.150 but they're all like live testimonials and then 00:21:06.150 --> 00:21:08.549 after I'm done usually like that's pretty cool 00:21:08.549 --> 00:21:11.609 I try to get four people to come in and to make 00:21:11.609 --> 00:21:13.569 it my make it worthwhile to get my videographer 00:21:13.569 --> 00:21:15.410 to come in and then I after I'm done with all 00:21:15.410 --> 00:21:17.049 of them and after when everyone leaves and I 00:21:17.049 --> 00:21:20.309 take my whiteboard out and I go through each 00:21:20.309 --> 00:21:22.809 patient, okay, here's what I did, and I draw 00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:25.609 out the neurons, which are nerve cells, and explain, 00:21:25.670 --> 00:21:28.109 okay, here's what this, so I explain on the board 00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:31.210 what each medication actually does. Oh, that's 00:21:31.210 --> 00:21:36.269 good. But yeah, and see, it's gone really well. 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:38.890 We're up to over seven million views worldwide 00:21:38.890 --> 00:21:42.779 on road food. Wow. on our YouTube channel, we're 00:21:42.779 --> 00:21:46.420 up to over 140 ,000 views. We're getting over 00:21:46.420 --> 00:21:48.799 5 ,000 new views a week on my YouTube channel. 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.960 Wow. It's really blowing up. And so if you want 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.240 to find it on YouTube, well, it's the Dr. Paul 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.900 show on Roku. But if you want to find it on YouTube, 00:21:58.059 --> 00:22:01.210 you have to specifically put The the dr paul 00:22:01.210 --> 00:22:04.349 show all lowercase and also all stuck together 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:08.450 with no spacing and no period so it's so th e 00:22:08.450 --> 00:22:12.309 dr paul sh o w so you put it all like just like 00:22:12.309 --> 00:22:14.769 that scrunched together then you can see it get 00:22:14.769 --> 00:22:17.670 a free channel and Yeah, but i'm really proud 00:22:17.670 --> 00:22:20.230 of the show. It's doing really well. People love 00:22:20.230 --> 00:22:23.569 it. Um, we're doing a season right now on ptsd 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:29.869 So I'm having a veteran with a purple heart come 00:22:29.869 --> 00:22:37.569 on and I'm attacking, I'm talking about PTSD 00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:42.269 with different people, EMT, first responders, 00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:45.190 veterans. you know people have gone through really 00:22:45.190 --> 00:22:48.490 traumatic experiences and so that's what season 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:52.170 and um but yeah it's it's it's really it's fun 00:22:52.170 --> 00:22:54.309 it's been fun to do it it's been very impacting 00:22:54.309 --> 00:22:58.349 and so i'm also blowing up on tiktok and instagram 00:22:58.349 --> 00:23:01.250 i'm my social media sites are doing really well 00:23:01.250 --> 00:23:04.529 um yeah and so it's it's been it's been great 00:23:04.529 --> 00:23:08.460 and i and i are selling. And on the first three 00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:11.440 books, Healing the Mind and Body series, I've 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.359 re -edited them. So they're coming out with new 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:16.539 covers and new content. Oh, that's beautiful. 00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:19.839 A relaunch. A relaunch. Everything is getting 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:24.279 relaunched. Yes. Awesome. Yeah. And then now 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:26.700 I want to teach. Like I said, I want to give 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:29.539 back. I really want to give back by talking to 00:23:29.539 --> 00:23:32.799 doctors about how to do this and how to do it 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.640 correctly. And I think primary care doctors like 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.079 myself are really the ones who need this. Yeah, 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.559 they need you. They definitely do. Also, psychiatrists, 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:43.660 I mean, not, you know, not to derate psychiatrists, 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.619 but they often do things also the same old, same 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:48.599 old way, and they're not really very creative. 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.220 And so I want to I'm hoping even to get to the 00:23:51.220 --> 00:23:53.019 psychiatrist if they're willing to listen to 00:23:53.019 --> 00:23:56.480 me being a family doctor or everything. But I 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.599 think I have some insights that, you know, that 00:23:59.609 --> 00:24:04.109 I think it would be helpful for them, too. That's 00:24:04.109 --> 00:24:06.390 great. Well, this is the last one, and this is 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:09.890 a big one. If someone's listening right now feels 00:24:09.890 --> 00:24:12.369 that they tried everything and nothing has worked, 00:24:12.789 --> 00:24:15.609 what will you tell them today about not giving 00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:18.349 up? Well, they probably really have not tried 00:24:18.349 --> 00:24:21.450 everything. They might have, you know. So I have 00:24:21.450 --> 00:24:23.650 a lot of patients who come to see me that I've 00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:25.690 tried everything and they haven't. So then I 00:24:25.690 --> 00:24:27.609 look back at what the previous doctors tried. 00:24:27.809 --> 00:24:29.859 They're like, well, they're just doing the same 00:24:29.859 --> 00:24:34.579 thing over and over again. They tried five SSRIs. 00:24:34.579 --> 00:24:37.059 They tried this. They haven't stepped back. They 00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:38.880 haven't gotten the diagnosis correct. So that's 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.700 the one thing is to make sure that the diagnosis 00:24:40.700 --> 00:24:43.299 is correct and how they try the correct medications. 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:47.140 There's other alternatives. There's psilocybin, 00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:51.799 microdosing mushrooms. That seems to be very 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.680 hopeful. There's a lot of increasing evidence. 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.039 There's ketamine, which has gotten more popular. 00:24:59.539 --> 00:25:02.579 There's safety concern, but if you go to someone 00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:05.220 who knows what they're doing, and then there's 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:07.440 what we call TMS, where you sit in this chair 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.039 and they have these things around your head. 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.660 It's not like electric convulsive therapy, but 00:25:14.660 --> 00:25:18.299 that's another expensive, but that's when medications 00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:21.960 don't work. So not to give up. If you have a 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.640 struggle, just... There is an answer out there. 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.460 But even if you haven't found it yet, don't give 00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:33.019 up. There is. If you're struggling, it's real. 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:35.960 And don't let anybody ever tell you, oh, just 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.380 get over it. Just try harder. That's the concept. 00:25:39.579 --> 00:25:43.559 If you feel the way you're feeling. And most 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.500 of the reasons for it is genetics. Genetics is 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:50.500 the number one reason people go crazy. people 00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:53.900 are looking at situations more and thinking like, 00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:57.779 well, my situation is okay. Why would I feel, 00:25:58.059 --> 00:25:59.539 well, it's not always my situation. I look at 00:25:59.539 --> 00:26:01.359 your mom and your dad, your grandparents, your 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.920 siblings, you know, I mean, here's an example. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.220 I mean, Robin Williams, and I know you've heard, 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.259 you might have known Twitch, you know Twitch? 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.799 Yeah, I mean, both of those suicides really blew 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.099 me away. I mean, You know, Robin Williams, happy 00:26:18.099 --> 00:26:21.319 guy, always funny. Yes, cracking jokes, everything. 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:24.700 Yeah. She's always smiling and dancing and he 00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:26.980 had two young kids at home. So you wouldn't expect 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:28.519 and you think, well, someone who was like that, 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:31.400 they were probably doing great with money. They're 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:33.660 at fame. They have all these people who love 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:37.559 them. These things. And well, you know, and why 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.079 would my son was really mad. He said, she's mad 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.289 at Twitch for doing it. don't be mad at him. 00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:47.849 He was miserable and he was super, he was depressed 00:26:47.849 --> 00:26:50.250 and he didn't see a way out and he did that. 00:26:50.589 --> 00:26:53.630 And so things don't make sense often in this 00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:56.950 area of medicine. But there's a reason for I 00:26:56.950 --> 00:26:59.069 think things happening and there's typically 00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:04.089 really good solutions. That's good. Wow, this 00:27:04.089 --> 00:27:06.509 conversation has opened my eyes and I know audience 00:27:06.509 --> 00:27:10.269 it's opened your eyes. So if this has done some 00:27:10.410 --> 00:27:13.029 you know, something for you in this healing journey, 00:27:13.309 --> 00:27:18.589 by all means, stop by and visit the Dr. Paul 00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:23.769 show and buy his book today, okay? Don't forget. 00:27:24.609 --> 00:27:27.970 One quick thing before we wrap up, my books are 00:27:27.970 --> 00:27:30.509 available, my books are available on Amazon, 00:27:30.730 --> 00:27:32.730 Barnes Noble, and Walmart, and my newest front 00:27:32.730 --> 00:27:35.170 of protocol is also on Audible, and it's on audiobook 00:27:35.170 --> 00:27:39.589 on Audible, so. Yes, all right. Yeah, so, you 00:27:39.589 --> 00:27:43.150 know, we love to have, like, people on the show 00:27:43.150 --> 00:27:46.829 to just be, you know, involved in so many things, 00:27:46.849 --> 00:27:49.730 and we're all about mind and body. So, guys, 00:27:49.809 --> 00:27:54.450 I want you to check us out, watch this, and then 00:27:54.450 --> 00:27:57.150 get the book. You can find it anywhere. Just 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.569 look up Dr. Paul. Just do that. Dr. Corona, look 00:28:00.569 --> 00:28:03.450 him up, and you'll find all his books, and please 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:07.569 visit his show, The Dr. Paul Show. And if you've 00:28:07.569 --> 00:28:10.130 liked this episode, please like, subscribe, and 00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:12.450 share the episode with some people that can break 00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:15.289 free from the old way of thinking. Join us here 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.049 on the YouTube channel, Keeping It Real on Purpose. 00:28:18.609 --> 00:28:21.930 And we thank you for visiting us today, Dr. Paul, 00:28:21.930 --> 00:28:36.539 and see you next time. Bye for now. 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