Are you tired of success that feels empty? Well,
we're going to welcome a beautiful person, Becky
Cohen, founder of the Conscious Revolution and
a leading human design. I love it. And a transformation
coach. She's going to be drawing on our 15 years
as a corporate consultant. And she's going to
share the power of unmasking conformity. She's
going to help us discover the true purpose. I'm
ready for that, because you know we keep it real
on purpose. So we're going to speak to her about
this true purpose and build a business that feels
deeply aligned and fulfilling. I can't wait to
hear this because she's going to use her intuitive
business strategies to help us break free. And
you know us in New York, people. of burnout and
redefine leadership through authenticity and
conscious impact. Welcome to the show, Becky
Cohen. Wow, thank you for that introduction.
Amazing. So happy to be with you. Oh, I'm excited
for you to be here. As we had our back show,
you know, we were having a great time because
I love Australia. Love it, love it, love it.
And, you know, we've all been there. We've all
been there, like, you know, through what you've
done. So First question I want to ask you is
how do you show up in the world? Wow great question.
So well my business basically and the brand of
it even when I was going through called the conscious
revolution it's funny when you align to something
but the more and more you get into the work that
you do and how much more that even changes along
the way and more alignment. So honestly I came
from a really successful career within project
management and consulting. I was earning a lot
of money. But in the background of all of that,
I was very spiritual. So the first 40 years of
my life when I was going through that, I never
found my purpose. I was chasing success, ticking
all the boxes, what I thought I needed to do,
had to do, all the societal expectations. And
really within all of that, it was like I enjoyed
some of the most toxic cultures. companies, greedy,
you know, I've saw the worst of the worst, all
the harassment and bullying that went on, you
know, people being thrown under the bus and it's
like having to wear a mask of not being my true
authentic self from being spiritual, from knowing
that I was gay from a very young age, from also
knowing I had ADHD and trying to be normal, you
know, in that society wearing masks. Right. And
for me, I just knew that every day as I wake
up more, I'm just like, what the hell am I doing
with my life? Like, where am I meant to be? Because
this isn't it. And I always thought if I actually
found what it was that I was meant to do, I wouldn't
be doing this. So I used to show up as the chameleon.
I would call myself the chameleon. I could fit
in any way you wanted me to at the time, right?
And it wasn't until I really went into the deep
work and started to really go in and do the transformation
from the inside and figure out it was an inside
job to change first before I could do anything
on the outside to help others. And so now for
me it's like saying no to all of this. It was
like one day I just realised how I was meant
to help people. bringing my spirituality gifts
together, all the life purpose and life purpose
and development work that I've been doing on
myself, I realised that also because my spiritual
gifts was really I have these downloads on how
to help people create new businesses, so I was
bringing my project management skills, downloading
all the time and I realised one day I was like,
well this is really what I'm meant to be doing
here in this life and I want to be helping conscious
people, helping them through that awakening journey
as well as The part behind that is how we can
do business ethically, morally, and humanely,
right? I don't need to be here. So that's how
the conscious revolution, so I wanted to start
a revolution to how we can actually consciously
step in and authentically be ourselves unapologetically
and healthy. So the brand's huge for me. Yeah,
I love it. I love all that you're doing. Again,
you were spiritual and you had to find out a
lot of things, right? I think we were on two
different sides of the world experiencing the
same exact thing. I mean, hearing the fighting
and all of that, I was like, oh gosh, this is
bad. And believe it or not, no matter what job
you're in, it's corporate. Just corporate. It's
like, they got the same sicknesses. They really
do, right? You find that they all have the same
sicknesses. there's not an authentic person in
the group. Because I found when I was there,
and I was very authentic, and well, at least
I thought it was, then I started conforming to
them. And then, like you said, no one brings
up the coding and the masking. Nobody brings
that up. You're the first one that has brought
that up, that the coding and the masking is what
brings the burnout. Because you're trying now
to conform, because they have a way that they
do things. So you have to either shut up, be
quiet, not be yourself. Pull it up. Pull it up,
right. And you're conforming to them, right?
You're conforming to them. You're wearing a mask.
And then you're putting this mask on every time
you get in your car to drive to the job. You're
putting it on when you wake up, oh, gosh, I got
to go to that place today. And you're putting
it on. find that every organization, not if it's
a non -profit or whatever, it's corporate. It
really is because they have the same sicknesses.
And I don't think people see it. What do you
think? Yeah, look and it's interesting because
I feel like a lot of people when they decide
that they want to be in a professional they go
to the lucky ones who already think that they
have they know what they want to be it's very
hard at 18 also to think that you know what you
want to be and then go and do that at university
get the grades you need to college as I say you
know and and work through the system but a lot
of people think going into things like even let's
talk human resources they're supposed to be there
for the human right like you're supposed to be
there for the person if you've got a problem
come speak to us like you know and my sister
I watched her journey she's older than me she
thought she was going to be there for the human
learn human resource management winning and started
to realize as soon as she started to be there
for the person she was going to lose her job
she was meant to back the CEO you know and do
it in a way that doesn't get them sued you know
so it's all about in the end whatever is let's
just say you're you know i've had clients of
mine who are like pharmacists they thought they're
going to change the world and help people because
their mother or their grandmother was sick and
then you get into the pharmaceutical industry
you find out how evil some of this stuff is right
so each one like you said it has its own you
know, toxicity going on within it. But we've
got to believe that we're going to do something
and change the world or be part of some sort
of revolution to be able to help people, only
to get stuck in it to realize then that's when
the musts come on. Fear, fear of losing your
job. Somebody else is going to take your place.
Play the game or get out. That's really what
it's like. And slowly it chips away with you
slowly over time until one day you wake up and
go, who the hell have I become? I don't even
know who I am anymore. Exactly, exactly. I can
tell you, in that world, I've always worked for
myself most of my life. I was a real estate broker.
I had my own offices. So it was like, I always
worked for myself. It was not until I was older
that I had an opportunity to go back to work,
which I never agreed to. I didn't want to work.
So I always said, oh, no, I'm working with them
or partnering with them. But it was still work,
girl. It was still work, girl. And then slowly,
they didn't know how to grasp me. They didn't
know how to work with me because I was the odd
one out. But slowly, they started trying to chip
away at me and chip away and limit me. And now
I see, oh, I see. They wanted me to do more work
in less time with one person. And I'm like, OK,
this is not. No, this is a no. And every time
I would say, no, OK, then you can't do this.
If you're going to tell me no here, you can't
do it. And pretty soon, I started doubting myself.
Exactly. It took away your confidence. You start
questioning what's wrong with you. Then you kind
of try to people please, whatever that is, whatever.
It's all those things. And you don't realize
how much you start to lose yourself. Or you're
the odd one out always. Not belonging. Always.
and find your people. You're looking for your
people. You might find one person you align with
in the company, maybe, but you're always on the
other. And you kind of wonder, like, where do
I fit into the world? It's all these questions.
And especially as we get towards what people
think is a midlife crisis, that 40 -42 mark.
we're all going through something actually astrologically,
it's when Uranus does a 180 in the sky in opposition,
while people think I'm going through an existential
crisis, midlife crisis, all that, it's actually
us waking up to our second act. And really what's,
you start to then, for that to happen, all these
other things are starting to... you know like
all like the universe puts things in your place
that gets harder and harder until you listen
to the call because your second act is asking
you to step into purpose you'll start to hear
the call and for that to happen all of these
other things need to happen that we start to
feel pain because if we're walking around life
and we're like this seven out of ten nothing
to complain about i've got enough money i have
a job like there's so many people like in the
world that's you know worse off whatever story
you tell yourself i'm okay right? It's not just
something really horrible comments like the burnout,
the, you know, the illness, you get fired, your,
your relationships fall apart, that you get shaken
up to wake up really, to do something else. And
that's, you know, what I always say is the university
that tickles you with a feather or punches you
in the face, not listening to the signs, right?
Right. So it's asking you to wake up. So it has
to get really bad before you turn it around and
it's an identity where I talk about the mask,
they start trying to come off around that 40
and asking you to step into authenticity. Yeah,
absolutely. That's good. What is the single most
toxic metric of success that people must reject
to find true fulfilling alignment? That's huge.
Look, I think for everyone is going to be different.
And honestly, like, I know we haven't spoken
much about human design, but this tool that I
really believe is the most powerful modality
on the planet for that self -realization at the
moment because we've all got a unique design.
For anyone out there who hasn't heard of human
design, you can get a free chart at mybodygraph
.com and all it's based on is your birth details,
so it is very unique to who you are. And each
one of us is going to be not programmed but we're
designed in a way to when we're in alignment
what success looks like and it's going to look
different to all of us versus out of alignment
so that challenge of that of that thing that
comes for us is going to look different for those
depending on what type you are and how you're
designed to be but all those things we're talking
about where some people like are more and a lot
of us like growing up because first of all I'm
going to say this for everyone we're born in
a place where We are trying to live up to societal
expectations, cultural expectations, parental,
teachers. Society tells us how and who we're
meant to be and define success, right? We're
always looking externally rather than internally.
And youth is quite materialistic, climbing that
social ladder, climbing the corporate ladder,
the workload, whatever that is, to be good enough,
to be the best. And we think that that's all
there is. And usually we start to realise the
more that we climb, from a lot of us, I shouldn't
say everyone, but the awake and spiritual conscious
ones who are going through that path, we're going
to start to realise the more we do that, the
more unhappy we are. Like in terms of what you
have to sacrifice in order to be there. So it's
going to be that realising, well, is this all
there is? That's what it's going to feel like.
What else is there? And it's about then... finding
what internal success means to you whether that's
helping five or ten people within an area to
transform their lives or whether you're for a
cause because for instance you've been through
something horrific or your family have and you
can help those people through a cause and detangling
many times monetizing versus that that doesn't
mean that money is evil money is bad you can
have both it's just that reward of success is
when you can actually feel fulfilled in your
purpose and helping other people rather than
it being just a dollar value and losing yourself.
Well, that makes sense. That totally makes sense.
So I'm going to go back because you did mention
human design. What's the biggest corporate mask
that established conscious leader is still wearing
that the human design really exposes? So basically,
in human design, there are five types that you
can fall into. So if you think about astrology,
everyone knows, if you ask, oh, what's star sign,
you'll know what it is. So we think human design,
that top level is five. And that tells you how
to energetically, how you're supposed to operate
in this world. It's about how to, I really find
it's about your energy type. So like in terms
of when, when you're, for instance, there's the
generator, manifesting generator, there's a projector,
reflector, and a manifester. All those five are
going to operate very differently. And when you're,
the way that the corporate life is the, well,
let's talk the nine to five, which is really
like nine to nine. It's not nine to five. You're
getting off scot -free these days, right? It's
not even nine to five. You know what I'm saying?
So it's, first of all, it's like this biggest
myth of who works the most hustles the most.
Is there the wrongness? All those things. It's
this side that they've created of what it means.
And I also believe in a lot of these toxic cultures,
the way that you climb up the ladder is usually
by blaming others, throwing people under the
bus, being a whistleblower. And that's usually
the one that yells the loudest, you know what
I mean, gets the furthest almost, you know, it's
not about. and so that they can contain and distill
fear into people to do their job. That is correct.
That is correct. That's how I see the ecosystem
at the moment. But from a human design perspective,
because 70 % of the planet at the moment are
either generators or manifesting generators,
the thing is with these types, and I'm one of
them, and I can see it is... We have our strongest
powers, our sacral, and the sacral is the life
force energy, which means we can go and go like
the energiser bunny, go, go, go, go, go. But
so we're pushing out all this energy and expecting
the rest of the world to keep up with us. And
not everyone's designed that way. Some people,
the projectors as 20 percent on the planet, they're
here to guide and teach people. They're supposed
to come in and guide, but the generators are
manifesting generators of the builders, the doers.
Right. So if you think about that, if corporate
accepted that guides and teachers could provide
with their wisdom and come in and do things with
breaks in between so that they can rest and recharge,
but they're still playing out their wisdom and
it's gold and they've gotten to a point where
it's worthy to do less than more. Do you get
what I'm saying? That would be perfect. You're
talking about me. You're talking about me. You're
talking about me. You really are talking about
me. It's scary. Okay, there we go. And then the
generaids, the manifesting generaids, they still
burn out because they're being pushed. The whole
purpose of them is to do work that they love.
They're here to feel satisfied in everything
they do. It's a very simple purpose. do what
you love every single day and then you will build
and build and you will charge you know you've
got all this energy to exert otherwise you're
going to burn out because you're not doing what
you love and it's frustrating you're going against
exactly how you're designed to operate right
so with that in mind and the manifestors there's
only nine or ten percent in the world but they're
the visionaries they're here to see like into
like the like what is possible so if they hear
like the the um apple and all of those kinds
of companies like they had the they actually
naturally had like Steve Jobs was a manifesto
so typical manifest if he was doing the vision
get the team to build it they're all excited
about it and then you have the buzz of the wisdom
to lead the teams into that future can you see
that i mean i'm not sure that's what happens
within in within um apple but that's what you're
saying i can see it i can see that yeah I could
see it all. Absolutely. So the manifestors get
excited about creation. They need to be in their
creation mode, leave them alone in their little
pit. And they've got all this starter energy.
And then they pass the baton over to the manifesting
generators and generators. They're all excited
to build these new Apple products. And they're
loving it. And then the guides are the ones that
are leading the teams. So they come in, lead
the teams, lead the builders to do what they
need to do. and then the last one is the reflectors
we only have one percent on the planet right
one percent and they're so rare i've only met
three in my lifetime but their energy is so open
that they're always and what a reflect is like
a mirror right so they're mirroring back and
reflecting back to you what's going on you you
can see it they look into your eyes and it's
almost like if you have a question it's almost
like you go oh then i know what to do thank you
for your thanks for all your advice and they
can just stand there and they haven't done anything
you answer your own questions because they're
reflecting back to you so if you think about
that they're obviously in the community they
can feel the health the good and the bad the
reform reflecting back what's positive and what's
negative, what's not working. So they're like
the community advisors, the builders, they can
just come in, check in how things going and it's
a valuable, like if you go with the coach for
an hour, how much more you get done in an hour
than trying to do it yourself when you can't
see your blind spots for instance. Right? And
they've got, they really need to charge their
energy because they're picking up everyone's
energy around them. So you can imagine how exhausting
that is. But the value of that one hour that
you get with them is priceless. So why do we
all need to be killing ourselves? It's just how
we come into this ecosystem to actually build.
Can you imagine if we built corporate with these
five types in mind and they all had a place and
everyone brought their strengths and left the
rest that they weren't great at? Right. How that
would be. I can imagine the way you built it
out. I could see in teens just by working with
them. I was just reflecting on when you was talking
just about where I was, if the manager wasn't
toxic, they could have seen all of that and it
would have worked. But they don't usually see
the strengths. What you're talking about, it
needs to be the blueprint for every... business.
It really needs to be and I'm actually going
to get whatever book or whatever you have. I'm
getting that because I have a team of my own
and I do look towards their strengths and let
them just freestyling, you know, like you tell
me, because I know what's going on, what I want
to see, you know, but you tell me because you
have the expertise. And I, you know, I see what
you when you broke it down, that makes so much
sense. I was like, everyone should have this
blueprint. This is the way your business should
look. Just this is the people figure them out.
You know, if as leaders are the ones the managers
or however you want to say it. Yeah, we could
see first know who What who we are in the 100
% first step first step your strength. Well,
yeah, yeah Yeah, see I want to see everybody
else's Yeah, exactly You just nailed it and they're
like it's so important that you do the work yourself
that self -discovery Like how do I have these
years ago? Oh my gosh life would have looked
different but it gives you that self -acceptance
that you're perfect the way that you are and
everything has you know it's a duality as humans
there's a positive side and a negative side own
that but it shows you how what's waiting on the
other side when you get back into alignment but
you're like all of us can own those things but
it also gives you permission to say hey i'm really
good at these things if i just focus my energy
on this then There are other people who can actually
focus on those things that they're good at, and
I've got permission slip not to burn out because
I'm meant to or expected to do all these things.
Yeah, there you go. There you go. And even us
as business owners, how many hats we have to
wear, how many times I told you to, in order
to have a successful business, you have to do
X, Y, Z in marketing or whatever it is and listen
to these gurus. And if you're not successful,
you just didn't follow my blueprint. Therefore,
you know, like it's your problem is on you, right?
But that's your blueprint, right? That's yours.
That's how your designs operate. We need to find,
and if we can actually go into human design and
find our strengths, we'll understand. how we
can actually operate as a conscious leader here
and say, hey, I need a team of experts who thought
it's those strengths over there and bring them
on board. And it gives me permission to not have
to worry about it. That's good. I mean, you broke
it down. I can't even view it. And now I'm going
to see even people differently. And this is reflective
of even in relationships that you you know, okay,
how does that person learn? How does that person
perceive me? And, you know, like, you can use
the same dynamic to just do almost anything.
It would make more sense. It would just make
more sense. I actually do what I call compatibility
reading. So whether it be with a relationship,
a love relationship, if you're struggling with
one of your children, if you're thinking about
getting somebody into your business. And I put
the charts combined together. So actually, you
find that also within when you combine the charts,
it's actually how... your purpose of coming together
and your strengths together as a partnership
and where also you might break down and have
like the communication issues or those things.
So when you can understand yourself and then
the other there's a way then to also bridge into
how you can actually overcome. Like I've had
clients that have come to me for coaching that
were struggling in their marriage and I brought
in their spouses chart and actually overlaid
the two together and kind of spoke differently
and then they knew exactly how to go back even
though they weren't in. into the same things
that the other half, how to then communicate
and saying, so from my session, this is what
I learned about me and you, this is where we're
actually biting heads. I'm going to do my part
and actually communicate with you differently
because now I see where you're getting frustrated
or you feel that you can't come to me. And this
is what I need from you because I'm not getting
it. Oh, that's good. Audience, this is real good
stuff. I know I have so many other questions
for her, but we're on a limited time. She's going
to be back. So don't worry. Don't worry. Don't
worry. We're going to extract all the juice from
this lady here, because it's only 8 AM over there.
So we got it. We got it. OK? So I know that I
have so many questions. You just opened up Pandora's
box, and now Edna's brain is all over the place.
And I want to ask you all these questions. maybe
I can, okay, for the high achiever, who has the
money but feels empty, what's the core limiting
belief they must confront before they can walk
out of this misalignment? Oh, that's a huge question.
And again, I would say it's gonna be dependent
on on your design where you can dive deeper because
each one of us has actually chosen any limiting
beliefs and fears this part time we want to experience.
So it will come across. But generally, I'm just
going to say even for women, women are always,
you know, like, we look calm on the surface and
the legs are going like this underneath as well.
But like, whereas we don't maybe not have the
confidence or think that we have a know enough,
good enough, all those things. You know, it's
always the not enoughness, I would say, that
wound of... Like I say, it's... But on the surface,
everybody thinks they're the best or whatever
it is, but underneath, that's the mask. Again,
that's a mask that they're wearing, but underneath,
usually what's crumbling is all of that. I won't
be good enough until that goalpost keeps moving.
like I will be wealthy when I have X amount of
my bank account or I won't be happy or satisfied
till I'm in this leadership position, all those
sorts of things. Then you get there and it's
like, well, I'm here and you don't even pat yourself
on the back. It's already onto the next thing
because there's another thing. So it's the goalpost
keeps moving, therefore you never are satisfied
where you are future thinking. I'm never in the
present moment, so you can't enjoy the present
and being present. Slow down, enjoy. That's what
I would say is a broad term. Yes. But slow down.
I can tell you, I'm looking at my life. All of
this is flashing for me. It's just flashing.
And I could look at my life. I just said this
the other day, I did so many amazing things,
but I never celebrated not one of them. That's
right. And it was on to the next thing, on to
the next thing. One thing was my, I was, I wanted
to be appreciated and loved, you know, I didn't
get that. So I was always trying to excel above
the next thing, the next thing, the next thing
until I found out, I was like, hey, even if I
did this, it's proven that person's never going
to say, oh, you did great. I love you for that.
So I'm never going to get that. So appreciating
and staying in the moment because I would do
something, just like you said, I would do something.
Like I modeled for Vogue before. I would be modeling.
and thinking about something else, like, what's
the next thing I'm gonna do? Not being in the
moment, not being in the moment at all. It was
like, everything was fast -paced. And it came
from limiting beliefs that I wasn't enough. The
next thing was enough. Exactly, and you've done
something huge as well. If you're not celebrating,
you are not seeing what you did. Whatever a partner
is or whoever it is in your life is going to
say something it's going to come across and doing
really is that it because inside You haven't
accepted it for yourself So no matter no no one's
going to give you that validation you need if
you can't even give that to yourself first because
you can't receive it Mm -hmm. Yeah, you can't
you can't A partner would turn around and say,
well, you know, like I've done that in the past,
but it just doesn't feel like you can accept
it. So, you know, whatever that looks like, you
know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. Yeah. You'll
be okay. Whatever. Yeah. You know, and you don't
believe them. You don't believe them. You're
like, okay. Exactly. You don't believe them,
you know, and you'll never have a deeper, deep
relationship if you don't fix that, you know.
100 % inside. Yeah, honestly, like if you guys
can get a hold of your human design chart, I
know it's really, there's a lot of information,
but I've given Edna a download where once you
know your type, you can really get deeper into
the first parts of your type. And also there's
a link there. I'm happy to give your audience
a 30 minute free session with me to dive a bit
deeper into the human design as well. So that's
where it starts. So just know audience it will
be in the comment section of the audio and the
video. So if you don't watch until the end, oh
well. Truly, truly awakening for me. Thank you,
Becky. Really, thank you. For our listeners who
are ready to stop forcing success and start building
a life and a business rooted in true purpose
and unique gifts, she's the one. Becky, she's
the one. Thank you so much. Again, say the link
where we can get those things. I want you to
say it and tell us where we can get it. Okay,
so the link is on my landing page, but if you
go to my website, you can go to www .theconsciousrevolution
.com .au. You will have it in the links. You
will find in there all my freebies as well, especially,
but I'll give Edna a special link for you guys
that will be in the notes so you can also grab
a free 30 -minute session with me as well. Sounds
good to me. I like it a lot. All right. So if
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called Red Circle. And I was just telling my
colleague about how much I love their platform.
With Red Circle, not only am I getting a seamless
hosting experience, but I also love the support
I receive in ad sales. It's not just typical
ad sales either. It's targeted opportunities
based on my show and my life. And the platform
is super simple. You just set your preferences
and Red Circle matches you with sponsors that
align with your show. You can vet every opportunity
and their platform gives you great analytics.
More recently too, my Red Circle team has brought
me opportunities outside of my podcast on social
media to really augment the podcast partnerships,
bring them full circle. I just can't recommend
them enough. If you want to give it a try, go
to redcircle .com to get your free trial. That's
redcircle .com for a free trial.