Hello and welcome to another episode of In My
Experience with yours truly, Christine DiGinto.
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is part two of my conversation with Chris King.
In this episode, we move deeper into sovereignty,
integrity, and the responsibility that comes
with stepping into roles of healing and leadership.
We do not have to be perfect. It's okay to be
messy. Sometimes that messiness is exactly what
someone else needs. We talk about symbols, belief
systems, cultural narratives, and the importance
of continually reassessing what no longer feels
aligned. This conversation is not about certainty,
it's about curiosity, growth, and staying in
right relationship with your own truth as it
evolves. All right, let's head in. It's interesting,
as you were talking, I started to remember a
realization that I had in my last journey with
you. About shamans back when you were talking
about how some shamans or people who want to
become shamans or healers They had it's all like
ego based but there they don't realize that yet.
I was remembering when you were describing that
there was a very sought -after Shaman in South
America and the rival shamans were trying to
sabotage her. Is it okay that I share? so that
people can refer to this. So this is from a documentary
called She is a Shaman on Gaia. Okay, Gaia is
infiltrated. Knights, Templars, Freemasons, Modern
Mystery School. There's so much BS on Gaia. Okay,
let's just be very clear. Hey, this is my perspective
on what I think is bullshit, right? Not what
is the truth. But for me, There's a lot on there
that I want you all to be mindful of. But I saw
this documentary and I thought, okay, let me
watch it. It's about ayahuasca. It's about a
shaman who is part of the Shippibo tribe, which
is the tribe that brought ayahuasca to the world
stage and uses it in ceremony in the Amazon.
And I thought, let me watch this. This is interesting
from a female shaman's perspective. That was
new. Okay, and She barely spoke to the camera
or at all the whole time. It was very haunting
sort of sullen documentary and I Remember so
many aspects of it thinking this is so interesting.
She has her husband she's like 50 years old her
husband's like 22 and He's not perfect. She was
in an abusive relationship You know, they're
using The way they live their life is very human
in many ways. You could tell sometimes she just
wasn't in the mood for the camera. She wasn't
always in the mood to do the ceremony. She knew
that... she was gonna have to do this ceremony
for all these white people just to make money,
but also that she was gonna have to feel all
their pain and their trauma and their thoughts
for many days or a week after. She has to go
through things and it was all about that. And
never once did she complain, but you could see
how human she was, okay? This is my thing I have
to go through. And how different she was when
she wasn't in ceremony too. She was a mom, she
was a partner, she... She was someone who went
out on the land and cut the cappy vine down,
which is awesome, but she is a person, she is
a human, and she shared that she and her co -facilitators,
her co -shamans, had to do so much energy clearing
and protection work around this space because
the... neighboring shamans, the male shamans
in the Shipibo tribe, were very jealous of her
and did not like that a female was doing that.
And I remember thinking, interesting, because
I've had so many people say to me, how dare you
try to hold cacao? You're not Peruvian or Mexican?
How dare you try to hold blue lotus? You're not
Egyptian? And I'm like, no one. Who was Egyptian
then? Technically is Egyptian now, right? But
is with ayahuasca How dare you try to bring this
medicine or talk about this medicine in any way?
You're not a shipibo person as if the shipibo
own That plant as if it only grows there and
it belongs to them They are the keepers of this
plant and they have shared it with the world
and many of them are doing it just for money
She's doing it just for money That's the only
reason her facility is open. She has zero and
you can see it in the documentary zero Attachment
to whether they heal love it or not. It is simply
for money Yeah, so what I had to say to myself
is Even the shipibo shamans the one we put on
a pedestal as the keepers of ayahuasca and the
only ones you should trust with this medicine
are sending dark energy avatars into her space
because they're jealous and want to sabotage
her. And even she is only doing it for money.
The people that help her, the people clearing
the energy with the smoke have never drank ayahuasca.
So many things that we hold us in the modern
world. um hold ourselves to especially with all
this cultural appropriation and you're not doing
this and you need to do this shamans are very
human people they really usually are the embodiment
of both darkness and light well that's that's
one thing that i realized during the journey
after you described all of this about her and
considering that because i believe i am also
a shaman I don't like to use that term. I feel
like people are going to say something about
appropriation. Do you not like to use that term?
I'm so sorry to interrupt, but do you not like
to use that term because of what people are going
to say? Yeah, it's because of other people. Because
other people not understanding. Yeah, that's
what I feel like they would not understand what
that means. What word are we supposed to use?
Chiron? Right? Should we just say chironic healer
or I'm a chiron instead of a shaman? It's the
same exact thing. Yeah, I think it's the same
thing. It is the same thing. When a Celtic shaman
says I am a shaman, they're appropriating a Venki
Siberian culture. Yeah. Technically, if we want
to go into that and play by the cultural appropriation
cancelled culture rules. Yeah. Yeah. The Native
American shamans, they don't call themselves
shaman. That is a Siberian, that is a word that
comes from the Ewenke people in Siberia, okay?
So if you're worried that people are not gonna
like that you use that word, you're worried you're,
I totally get it, which is why I call myself
a shamanic healer. I want people to know that
I'm proud that I do this type of work. but also
that I honor that I am a healer who is doing
it shamanically rather than claiming to be a
Native American or Celtic shaman who lived in
the woods for 30 years because people think this
is what a shaman is and they don't realize that
shamans are being born everywhere all over the
world to help with the ascension process and
many of us are being born in Harlem and Dallas
and Sydney, Australia. Okay, it isn't always
in the shipibo tribes. We're incarnating into
places where we can have a much larger effect.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I believe it's okay for
you to use that word. Thank you. Yeah. And I
do I do don't if it doesn't feel aligned. Yeah,
we could also come up with our own word. I use
it in like I feel like in certain circumstances.
I don't like only say that I'm a shamanic healer.
I use lots of different terms. It depends on
what I'm aiming for, like what we're talking
about, you know, like what, you know, whatever
the subject is. But in, in that journey, the
realization that I had is along the lines of
the types of shamans that pull physical pain
into their body and release it because I, I have
not done this yet, but I do believe that I have
that capability and I think that at some point
I'm going to be doing that. That's a part of
your Chiron conjunct the Ascendant. So there
are many shamans out there that do not have Chiron
conjunct the Ascendant, but if you have Chiron
conjunct the Sun or the Ascendant or the Midheaven,
you have shaman energy in you. It's just encoded
in there. But I also want everyone to realize
that when you enter a shamanic container with
a practitioner like the woman in the documentary
it we become the vessel the gauge the reflector
of what's happening and also it moves through
us in our channel because the medicine will use
us as a main drainage point any healer there
to not only heal your stuff too because even
She even says in the documentary, every time
she does a ceremony, they also journey as well.
They have to to keep her energy coming in with
their sacred songs, Ikaros. But the way in which
the ceremony usually goes is, even when we work
with Ayahuasca over here, and I don't have any,
I usually don't take any medicine the way they
say you should because I'm so sensitive to it
that I can feel it and journey without having
taken anything. So I have to be careful. But
when we're working with ayahuasca, there are
many times where everyone's in bed and I go to
lie down and go to sleep for the night. And that's
when all the vision starts. That's when all my
own stuff starts. Because these medicines are
never gonna look at you and go, you're more healed
than they are. Absolutely not. They're gonna
say, okay, now let's focus on you. Because who
doesn't wanna keep... journeying into themselves
who doesn't want to keep refining who doesn't
want to keep seeing more aspects of yourself
because you can't unexpand a consciousness so
yeah yeah endlessly entertained like we said
earlier it's it's like the most fun um and then
it becomes fun yes so so what i realized though
in my particular journey in my set of circumstances
and i won't go into details about what I was
considering, but I had the opportunity and something,
there's some outside person kept coming into
my journey. My awareness was on this person and
I was actively trying to push it away. And then
I started just openly saying like, why is this
happening? Cause I keep trying to push it away,
but it's just like still there. So then what
I realized was it was a choice to take certain
paths, not only behaviorally, but also energetically.
Like if I, if I tried to take on this person
as a client and process their emotional and physical
pain through my body as a shaman, I could do
that. But I could also just as powerfully not,
I could choose not. to take it into myself, but
only reflect back to that person and hold their
hand while they heal. And like it seemed to be
the more powerful option. So then I started to
like go on this tailspin of thinking about shamans
as humans, like you said, and it's like, you
know, the ones who will take, take things on
for you. And it's like, you know, separate from
what other people do because their circumstances
are different, just like I described. I had a
set of circumstances and it was one way or the
other. It's not always the case. There could
be an illness that they're trying to remove.
That's cool. I agree with that. But then I wondered,
for the things that are like, in particular,
my circumstances, this potential client, what
is burdening them is not. terminal illness or
anything along those lines. It's something that
they need to work through and I think that it
would empower them more if I just like reflected
back to them instead of doing it for them. Doing
it for them is not going to help them in my situation.
And if you see it that way, if from that framework
it is not helpful. However, what's actually happening
is the empath quality of the shaman or just being
an empath will kick in. And what happens is the
energy is able to move, let's just say the water
that is now rushing out is able to move through
two different pipe channels rather than one.
So it isn't that we take anything, empaths never
take anything from someone else. We mirror it
back. Through our mirror neurons, but also there
is an energetic component with the aura where
the aura will actually Mirror that back as well,
but you have to understand that There are times
where I have felt pain in my ovaries and they're
not there Okay, so I'm not taking anything. I
am feeling the pain with them which helps it
to remove quicker faster more efficiently Yeah,
and like when I'm getting downloads I come to
my assistant and I put my hand on her not only
so she can hear what's coming through but so
that energetically like Electrically, I can ground
it in more. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense So
I am never taking anything back in high school
early adult life if someone had a headache I
had a headache and I said to them. Hey, do you
have a headache right now? I do. And I say, is
it right here? And they're like, oh my gosh,
yeah, it's right there. And mine would go away.
Interesting. But only if I gave it back to them
was how I used to see it back then. I had to
give it back to them. Basically what that meant
was I had to acknowledge it to release it. So
it wasn't in me. It wasn't my headache. But you
have to understand that many of our clients'
traumas will mirror traumas we've already worked
through or still ones that we're still refining
or are working through as well. Sometimes we
attract clients who need our guidance, but they're
actually more evolved than we are in certain
ways. But we're more open in the ways that they
need to be of service to them at the time. So
the shaman, the practitioner is never the more
healed one. It's usually just the braver one
or the one who has... said, I'm going to make
my entire life around this. It isn't always that
I'm better, more evolved or more anything. It's
just more dedicated. I also want to say that
there are people out there who want to step into
this work, who want to do shamanic work, but
won't because they're afraid of what people will
say. They're afraid of this, what that means
about them. And I just want to say to people
that it is really okay. that you start now not
being perfect and that 10 years from now you
have a successful business you're tapped out
of the matrix so much or as much as you can be
but also that you're really serving from this
beautiful place and your experience of being
a practitioner was your greatest training and
education and that spirit your higher self your
guides will continue to train you as you see
clients so no you are not the most amazing healer
yet that they could see possibly. Or maybe you
just don't have a lot of experience doing sessions,
but actually you've been doing healing work your
entire life just by laying your hands on people
and not realizing it. And it's time to be paid
for it. It's time to give all of that to the
world, especially if you feel passionate about
it. There are people who don't want to do this
work, but for myself, I enjoy it so much and
I'm so passionate about it that it is my honor
to take those things on, but it is also my duty
to keep checking in with myself and constantly
evaluating self and where my integrity is and
how other people are feeling in my energy. I
have to do that because for me to continue doing
this work, if I become aware of a crack in the
foundation, I will go down there with my cement
bucket and fill in that crack. Once I realize
it's there or I feel something crumbling I will
tend to it because this is the only temple I
want to exist in Yeah, okay it plain and simple
some of you want to be singers some of you want
to be mommies some of you want to be a doctor
some of us want to be healers and medicine keepers
and psychics and channels and spaceholders we're
passionate about it and I Have been to hair stylists
that were okay. I've been to some that were not
good and I've been to some that I was like, this
is the best haircut I've ever had. They all three
of them were passionate about it, though. Yeah.
And so maybe the other two, it was either a bad
day or they're on their way to becoming the hairstylist
that I would consider to be incredible. So we're
going to hold space for everybody where they
are and not every healer is the same and not
we hold healers, spiritual people, shamans, priests
to such high standards. Yeah. And But we don't
even hold ourselves to those things. But we feel
if you're gonna step into this role, you have
to be perfect and completely connected or there's
no reason for us to follow you. Oh, that's why.
That's why you all placed me on a pedestal and
why I fell from grace in your eyes. Because you
wanted someone to follow. And that is not my
code. To the people who called me a cult leader,
I am. I am the most incredible cult leader in
this cult. Everyone's free to leave. Yes. So
I can't believe someone called you a cult leader.
Several people did at the same retreat. Wow.
Well, it was an entity. It was an entity. Yeah,
that's actually what I just saw was, yeah. There
was an entity getting into them and making them
see me that way because there are times where
I leave a Retreat and I think I can't wait to
get home. I Haven't slept in days. I've had people
call me a cult leader. There were people crying
I feel like crying for days. I don't know what's
happening. I just need to get home and ground
and rest That's what I need to do. I'm not leaving
going I'm a powerful shaman and I just helped
I'm leaving Thinking I just want to sleep nobody
talked to me. Yeah, right. There are things like
that that I will go home and think Would the
highest timeline healer? version of me Want to
get away from this so badly. I don't often let
myself be human, right? So when other people
see a guy who is not heterosexual who is not
even fully a guy Sitting in a circle of all ladies,
I get that if you see me as a straight man, that
that can look kind of strange. But I was just
with all my girls because I am one in many ways.
I have been my whole life. So that was so bizarre.
The way that you all could have found so many
things that I was not doing in my integrity,
like giving supplements to people to take during
the medicine, but not always telling them what
it is. I now tell everybody what it is ad nauseam
until they're annoyed with me, right? Because
someone brought that to my attention at one point.
And I thought that's something I can refine.
I cannot refine that I only attract mostly ladies.
I cannot refine or change that most of the male
clients I've had have been homophobic and do
not like me in their space healing. I can't change.
Certain things about humans and the way they
I can't change the fact that I am Caucasian in
this lifetime and want to do work that you all
think I'm not dark enough to do or indigenous
enough to do I can't change those things So if
I'm supposed to be Chiron and I'm supposed to
be a trigger and a matrix disruptor Who would
have thought that matrix disrupting and being
a sacred trigger would disrupt and trigger so
many people. Yeah, right. But you also have a
lot of people who are masquerading as a triggerer
and a sacred, you know, activator, and they're
just out here abusing people and projecting all
over people, right? Yeah, yeah. I've also checked
in with myself because I don't enjoy triggering
people like some of these people do. No, no.
I hate it. Yes, that's something I want everyone
to see me as Chiron the part of my wound is how
much I Dislike certain aspects of this work,
but those things will never ever Make me stop.
Mm -hmm. I know that I in my past I've triggered
a lot of people especially that I worked with
because I was in landscaping so I worked with
a lot of men and At one point I was working with
a company. I was doing consulting work and I
was also doing operations and I went out into
the field. I was on site and I walked up on someone
that was already working on something and I started
to help them because they were alone. The group
was over there blowing leaves and then this guy
was cutting vines that grew through a chain link
fence, but he was not doing it very effectively.
He was working really hard, but he wasn't doing
the work very effectively so he was cutting it
at the bottom and then like pulling it all the
way through so like he's physically doing a lot
of work that he didn't have to do so then i showed
him like look this chain link fence it goes all
the way up snip it several different spots and
you just pull out the pieces like you don't have
to like manhandle this and you can move a lot
faster you just cut cut cut cut and then pull
all the pieces out he instead of saying thank
you Instead of saying, you're right. Instead
of saying, I know that you've done this for six
years and I'm just 21 years old and I've done
this for six months and I don't know anything
about anything. No, he didn't say that. He said,
well, I really gave you a head start, didn't
I? I was like, what the fuck? Well, and that's
pure ego. And I've seen it so many times. And
that's just like one example out of like a million.
But it's like, Yeah, I've recognized times where
people were completely triggered because I was
more, more efficient, more powerful, demanded
more attention, whatever is the energy in the
room. Sometimes it's women, sometimes it's men,
sometimes people think I'm flirting with them
when I'm actually just being nice. And it just,
it's like a whole - We have a lot of Gemini FM3
in our chart. Okay. Which can be a little butterfly.
Yeah. But I was thinking about that earlier today,
a few times, specifically with work, people that
were kind of like competing with me, but there
was no need for competition. I was trying to
set them up to succeed and then they were like
offended. That's what happened with one of the
clients who accused me of being a cult leader
was I eventually found out was trying to take
clients and also find where I was getting my
medicine because she wanted to do what I was
doing. And I have a program I would have fully
supported you had you said, hey, I want you to
be my mentor. It was very strange how I was being
called the cult leader, but she was behind my
back doing all these strange things. We're all
human. We're all in survival mode. She feels
like he figured it out. I'll just use his formula.
Many people do that with manifestors and human
design. I don't want to talk about that to shame
that person because had there not been an entity
involved, I think that... It was just a misunderstanding
and I feel badly that that happened because trauma
can do that and also I'm a guy. I get that things
can get weird and that's why I do not host private
retreats without a female facilitator anymore
even when I know the person. So there are things
that I've been able to refine and learn from
these experiences and I wish that person the
best because I love her so much. I hope that
someday you guys figure it out maybe I I Am open
if that's where my mission needs to go. I have
no desire to rekindle a relationship or anything
like that, but I wish her the best and I want
everyone to know that That That was helpful to
me in many ways. Although it was not meant to
be okay, and also I believe this person who is
also was inspired, let's just put it that way,
by the way I did things or by doing this type
of work, okay? I was one of her first entry points
into all of this, okay? So I'm so happy to inspire,
but it really hurts when the inspiration turns
against you in such... It would be different
if they didn't like the way I said something
but to accuse me of being a cult leader These
were these were things that live in my energy
field from my past lives and from this lifetime
sexual abuse sexual trauma I was sexually Let's
just say not abused but sexually violated during
a medicine journey many years ago So for her
to say that I felt like it was the entity mocking
what happened to me through her. I think that's
how they get you. I think that's what the cult
leader is. I before those two people even came
to that retreat and both called me a cult leader
separately. Which was so interesting. I had been
working through a life where I had been a leader
of a large group. So I found it to be reflective.
But also it was triggering to me at the time
because it was so opposite of the way I actually
operate I feel like just because I'm an ego manifest
or with a lot of Leo in my chart and I come off
Like a cult leader, I guess doesn't mean I actually
want to disempower people or take them away or
That or to put it in quotations putting drugs
in the hand soap I've been accused of putting
drugs in soap to do something. I don't know what
they thought I was doing, right? But I understand
their fears and I held space for it. But I also
some of it just I don't have time for these entities
getting into people. And people can say, how
dare you say that their legitimate trauma they
experienced with you was an entity in them. I'm
saying that's my perspective, because I thought
it was me. You think For those several years,
I didn't think it was me. I would ask Spirit,
why am I doing this if I'm hurting people? I'm
just hurting people. I would forget all the people
who told me that their life was changed. So if
I go into this work wanting to do good and it's
only going to traumatize people, don't you see
the rabbit holes I went down? Yeah. For months,
right? And I had to come out of it going, oh
wait. I went down that rabbit hole because I
care so much. Yeah. And I think that that is
on purpose. I think that in a way, this is from
my perspective, the way that I see it, it's almost
like Mario Brothers. When you reach certain points
and you catch a flag and you can come back to
that flag, it's almost like a point, but it's
also like... Oh, goodness. Where was it going
with that? I saw it very clearly, but it's like
you asked for that. Like you've been asked to
be challenged so that you can be reinforced.
Yes. So that's what I alchemized it to do. And
I know that that was ultimately what was always
going to happen, but it did make me very angry
knowing that something wanted to stop me or something
was trying to get me to question myself or that's
just some people may have been jealous or envious
or even just triggered because when you are the
healer, especially as Chiron, I will embody certain
personality traits around certain people and
I won't know where they're coming from. And I'm
actually becoming their abusive mother. And I'm
not being abusive. I'm just, I'll say something
that will remind them of them. And I won't even
realize it. And they will immediately, they won't
even think this is triggering a mother wound.
I don't like him. get him away from me, right?
Because they can't handle triggers and they also
think he's doing it on purpose. And some of these
people, I wanted to be like, look, I love you
all so much, but I'm not thinking about you that
deep. I am at home working on my website and
going out to the sacred site here in Shasta and
meditating and playing with the dog. I do not
have time to be siphoning your energy. or leading
you into any kind of darkness, or saying things
to you that will not serve you. Because if I
have, I apologize, but that was not my intention.
I think that's what matters, is I think we need
to really understand that most of the people
doing this work, even the person that accused
me of that, who I believe is doing good work
in the world, okay? So let's just... hold that
it was messy, that entities got involved, but
if everyone is in their mission and doing the
work, then we won, right? The way in which we
didn't win was that it turned us against each
other, but also there are boundaries as humans
that when we cross, we do have to honor these
boundaries and set them, but also I hold space
for no matter whether it was an entity or whatever.
Yes. I am not perfect. You are not perfect. And
so most of the people out here who are healers
are not trying to be a healer because they're
perfect They're a healer because they're wounded
and they want to help other people not feel the
way they have felt Yeah, okay, it's gonna get
messy sometimes and We honestly don't need any
more healers who are versed in Psychological
language and say things the correct way. It's
I do believe we need integrity, we need structures
in place, but I also believe that much of the
people out here who are triggering each other
or these practitioners who are not in their power,
that sort of thing, or they're saying things
recklessly and not being mindful of other people's
trauma, I believe some of them are triggering
things that need to be triggered, that need to
come up to the surface. And so even if it's happening
in a messy way and it's not done with the political
correctness of the psychological community or
therapists and that sort of thing that comes
through that college training, right? I believe
that's not always exactly the medicine that's
needed. I believe there are people out here who
don't have any certifications. None. and they
have incredible healing abilities just being
in their energy field allows you to release energy
that is a gift that should be paid for that should
be seen and honored and so I just want to say
to people I think most of us are actually when
I say in our integrity wanting to be in our integrity
at least even if we're not fully because you
have to understand most of the healers that you're
interacting with they have bills to pay So when
you say, do you think I should book a session
with you? It takes a lot out of me sometimes
because my first initial reaction is yes, book,
duh, this is my business. But I have to sit with,
is this the right client? Is this correct for
them? Is this the direction we want to go in,
especially with retreats and things like that?
That isn't just open to the public. There's a
whole. Process I go through around it because
I learned the hard way Okay Just letting anyone
in but that's what happens when you're in survival
That's what happens when I went out on my own
and no one was paying me and I wanted to keep
doing this We're all doing our best deprogramming
from mind control deprogramming from this Capitalistic
structure that's not being used to serve us Okay,
capitalism can be neutral, but it is not being
used to serve us. We're tapping out of so many
things. Can we give each other grace that we've
got some entities on us that we got easily siphoned
that we didn't that we were using false light
symbols that we gave supplements to people but
didn't tell them exactly what each supplement
was because most people didn't care until you
came along. You know what I mean? Can we keep
helping each other get better rather than saying,
Christine, that Chris King guy, he has an entity
on him. You need to stay away from him. Yeah.
Which is a quote that I heard from someone. This
is a PSA. Who doesn't even know me. Yeah. She
doesn't even know you. That means that she went
into my energy field looking for an entity without
my permission. Yo, she did it to me too. This
is a PSA for anyone out there and there is a
woman and she thinks she knows better than almost
anyone. Well, and maybe she does and we just
haven't caught up with her yet. Maybe. Could
be. What I want to say, my camera is going to
go off by the way, only because my phone is or
the camera is getting so hot. I'm here even though
I've gone into the abyss. But I want to say about
that person. Yes that It would have been really
nice. I would have really appreciated it had
she seen a Reptilian or a demonic entity or an
archon or something like that or a disincarnate
being who was using me to eat sugar You know
what I mean? Yeah. Yeah or or Smoke some kind
of drugs that I don't smoke. So I just want to
say it would have been very kind of her to say
to you, will you give him my number or will you
refer him to someone to help him? Right? No,
it was a problem. And I know that she like looked
down on me because I had an entity attachment
through marriage. But this is part of my life
path. This is part of why I came. And it's very
complicated. It also involves my children. So
it's also can we just mention that entities can
be positive too? Oh, yeah. Archangel Michael
is an entity. Your grandmother in spirit is an
entity. Yes. Yeah. So what if she did see an
entity, but it wasn't dark, right? Yeah. What
if she what if she's infiltrated? And so now
her lens is only sees divine light. guides as
dark energies. I'm not saying that's the case.
I'm just saying I could say that if she, if she
can so freely say I have an entity, I can so
freely say that she has an entity that makes
her see good entities as bad ones. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it was very interesting because I had
a client and her daughter was like 11 or 12 and
she, her knees were deteriorating, like the meniscus,
the cartilage in her knees was like really deteriorated,
especially very strange for a young child. And
so I was like, this is definitely energetic.
And when I tried to look into it, there was an
entity. But like I said earlier, I have an entity
attachment. And a lot of times it keeps me, if
they're on a similar vibration, it keeps me from
being able to actually see it. Sometimes I can
see them. Sometimes I can't, but I... do feel
when they're there and I ask questions and sometimes
I get a response and that's how I know that they're
there too but I feel them but I don't always
see them because I have a like a filter on online
yeah yeah um but I am aware of that so I know
how to you know do stuff so then I tried to refer
my client to this woman getting herself saying
that she is a specialist in removing entities
that are attached to narcissistic people and
That she has really a lot of experience and is
an expert at detaching these highly complex attachments,
so I try to refer my client to her and the response
that I received back was every time you reach
out to me, I get psychically attacked. I think
you understand that I need to cut you off. Um,
and it was, it was just also really interesting
to me because she always touted her protective
bubble building, like her shielding practices,
which I don't shield. Yeah, just just to tell
people I don't shield. I amplify I push my energy
out. I welcome these entities in like a moth
to a flame come into the light. I know that there's
organic light running through me and there has
been false light. I'm sure I'm been in the false
matrix. So and we're all working our way through
this and what she might see dark might not actually
be. Right, maybe. Like I've had clients in my
medicine journey see demonic faces many, many,
many times. Maybe they weren't demons they were
seeing. Maybe they were just expressions of their
consciousness and it was tongues and teeth and
the next one was butterflies and rainbows. It's
just duality. It's part of our psyche. I know
my daughter was afraid of... I called in Our
Lady of Guadalupe to sit with her and protect
her overnight. And she woke up after I left the
space and said that there was a large person
with no arms and a big head that was separate
sitting on the couch. And it was just a shadow.
And I was like, that was our lady of Guadalupe.
Like, look at the outline of her. Like that was
her. You don't have to be afraid of her. And
she's like, oh, well, it was a shadow. It was
dark. So I thought it was bad. And I was like,
No, just because it's a shadow doesn't mean it's
bad. That's right. That's right. And a lot of
these entities could move into the light by attaching
to us if we optimize it and don't embed more
fear. They're feeding off the fear. They're made
of fear. They're made of those lower vibrating.
They feed off of those lower vibrating emotions.
So it's a tricky place to be because basically
what we're saying is we welcome the dark entities.
Come on in. what I'm not saying is, come on in
and infiltrate me and get me to do your dark
bidding, if that's what people think is happening.
Can we just be curious? Can we be curious about
what the entity wants, why it exists, why it's
attaching? Can we show it love and compassion?
And can we forgive it? Can we understand that
it belongs in the false matrix or it belongs
in duality? That in duality, angels and demons
must exist because that's how duality works.
And recognizing that if you have any type of
attachment with a certain entity of low vibration,
the only way that that is possible is because
it resonates with something in you. Beautiful,
yes. I mean, it wouldn't be if that wasn't the
case. So yeah. I'm back. You're back. Well, I
will say. This has been a lovely conversation
and I feel like you and I could talk about so
many different things forever Thank you so much
Chris for this conversation today. It really
was wonderful and I appreciate having such authentic
open Dynamic conversation for us to expand our
consciousness. Yes. Yes. Thank you for having
me here. Thank you all for witnessing us as people
who are stepping into these roles and doing the
best that we can. And if anyone has any questions
for me or feels called to connect with me, you
can go to ChrisKing .com. or medicinealchemist
.com or ascended -astrology .com those are my
three main places that you can find me or you
can follow me on social media that sort of thing
and just tap into my energy a little bit and
I would love to support anyone who feels called
or point you in the right direction and I just
appreciate this opportunity to share and be open
and real and have a conversation that not many
people are willing to have. Thank you so much.
It was wonderful. We'll talk again soon until
next time take care As we close out this conversation
with Chris King I want to leave you with this
reminder Healing isn't about getting it right
or reaching some final destination It's about
staying in relationship with your own truth as
it evolves If something in this episode stirred
reflection, discomfort, clarity, or curiosity,
I invite you to sit with that. You do not need
to rush to label it or resolve it. Discernment,
sovereignty, and integrity are practices that
we return to again and again. If you would like
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