WEBVTT 00:00:00.430 --> 00:00:04.530 Hello and welcome to another episode of In My 00:00:04.530 --> 00:00:07.870 Experience with yours truly, Christine DiGinto. 00:00:09.250 --> 00:00:12.070 This podcast is a space where I speak from lived 00:00:12.070 --> 00:00:16.050 experience. The moments that shaped me, challenged 00:00:16.050 --> 00:00:19.250 me and changed the way that I understand myself 00:00:19.250 --> 00:00:22.670 in the world. The awakenings, the breakdowns, 00:00:22.670 --> 00:00:25.329 the moments that cracked me open asked me to 00:00:25.329 --> 00:00:29.050 stay present, be embodied and be honest with 00:00:29.050 --> 00:00:33.710 myself. I share my stories not to persuade or 00:00:33.710 --> 00:00:38.090 define truth for anyone else, but to offer perspective, 00:00:38.890 --> 00:00:41.469 to explore the gray areas we don't often have 00:00:41.469 --> 00:00:45.090 language for, to slow things down and listen 00:00:45.090 --> 00:00:47.710 more closely to what's happening beneath the 00:00:47.710 --> 00:00:52.329 surface. You'll hear solo episodes where I reflect 00:00:52.329 --> 00:00:55.909 on my own initiations, spiritual gifts, and the 00:00:55.909 --> 00:00:59.789 systems that try to define me. and conversations 00:00:59.789 --> 00:01:02.850 with guests who have walked strange, beautiful, 00:01:03.329 --> 00:01:06.269 and sometimes painful paths of their own, and 00:01:06.269 --> 00:01:10.290 come back with wisdom to share with us. I invite 00:01:10.290 --> 00:01:13.709 you to take what resonates, leave the rest, and 00:01:13.709 --> 00:01:17.790 trust your own experience as valid. Thank you 00:01:17.790 --> 00:01:28.370 for being here. This is In My Experience. This 00:01:28.370 --> 00:01:31.230 is part two of my conversation with Chris King. 00:01:32.010 --> 00:01:35.390 In this episode, we move deeper into sovereignty, 00:01:35.829 --> 00:01:38.730 integrity, and the responsibility that comes 00:01:38.730 --> 00:01:41.969 with stepping into roles of healing and leadership. 00:01:42.689 --> 00:01:46.409 We do not have to be perfect. It's okay to be 00:01:46.409 --> 00:01:50.629 messy. Sometimes that messiness is exactly what 00:01:50.629 --> 00:01:55.230 someone else needs. We talk about symbols, belief 00:01:55.230 --> 00:01:58.609 systems, cultural narratives, and the importance 00:01:58.609 --> 00:02:02.469 of continually reassessing what no longer feels 00:02:02.469 --> 00:02:06.989 aligned. This conversation is not about certainty, 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:10.830 it's about curiosity, growth, and staying in 00:02:10.830 --> 00:02:14.289 right relationship with your own truth as it 00:02:14.289 --> 00:02:19.330 evolves. All right, let's head in. It's interesting, 00:02:19.349 --> 00:02:23.129 as you were talking, I started to remember a 00:02:23.129 --> 00:02:25.830 realization that I had in my last journey with 00:02:25.830 --> 00:02:29.189 you. About shamans back when you were talking 00:02:29.189 --> 00:02:32.229 about how some shamans or people who want to 00:02:32.229 --> 00:02:34.949 become shamans or healers They had it's all like 00:02:34.949 --> 00:02:37.349 ego based but there they don't realize that yet. 00:02:37.530 --> 00:02:42.310 I was remembering when you were describing that 00:02:42.310 --> 00:02:48.129 there was a very sought -after Shaman in South 00:02:48.129 --> 00:02:52.610 America and the rival shamans were trying to 00:02:52.610 --> 00:02:55.509 sabotage her. Is it okay that I share? so that 00:02:55.509 --> 00:02:59.370 people can refer to this. So this is from a documentary 00:02:59.370 --> 00:03:04.909 called She is a Shaman on Gaia. Okay, Gaia is 00:03:04.909 --> 00:03:10.330 infiltrated. Knights, Templars, Freemasons, Modern 00:03:10.330 --> 00:03:14.229 Mystery School. There's so much BS on Gaia. Okay, 00:03:14.229 --> 00:03:18.969 let's just be very clear. Hey, this is my perspective 00:03:18.969 --> 00:03:21.849 on what I think is bullshit, right? Not what 00:03:21.849 --> 00:03:25.699 is the truth. But for me, There's a lot on there 00:03:25.699 --> 00:03:29.199 that I want you all to be mindful of. But I saw 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.960 this documentary and I thought, okay, let me 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.580 watch it. It's about ayahuasca. It's about a 00:03:34.580 --> 00:03:38.580 shaman who is part of the Shippibo tribe, which 00:03:38.580 --> 00:03:41.280 is the tribe that brought ayahuasca to the world 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.300 stage and uses it in ceremony in the Amazon. 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.259 And I thought, let me watch this. This is interesting 00:03:48.259 --> 00:03:50.740 from a female shaman's perspective. That was 00:03:50.740 --> 00:03:55.729 new. Okay, and She barely spoke to the camera 00:03:55.729 --> 00:03:58.150 or at all the whole time. It was very haunting 00:03:58.150 --> 00:04:03.789 sort of sullen documentary and I Remember so 00:04:03.789 --> 00:04:06.770 many aspects of it thinking this is so interesting. 00:04:06.770 --> 00:04:10.810 She has her husband she's like 50 years old her 00:04:10.810 --> 00:04:15.969 husband's like 22 and He's not perfect. She was 00:04:15.969 --> 00:04:19.829 in an abusive relationship You know, they're 00:04:19.829 --> 00:04:26.519 using The way they live their life is very human 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.240 in many ways. You could tell sometimes she just 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:30.959 wasn't in the mood for the camera. She wasn't 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.939 always in the mood to do the ceremony. She knew 00:04:33.939 --> 00:04:36.050 that... she was gonna have to do this ceremony 00:04:36.050 --> 00:04:38.050 for all these white people just to make money, 00:04:38.310 --> 00:04:40.329 but also that she was gonna have to feel all 00:04:40.329 --> 00:04:41.910 their pain and their trauma and their thoughts 00:04:41.910 --> 00:04:44.870 for many days or a week after. She has to go 00:04:44.870 --> 00:04:47.389 through things and it was all about that. And 00:04:47.389 --> 00:04:50.269 never once did she complain, but you could see 00:04:50.269 --> 00:04:54.769 how human she was, okay? This is my thing I have 00:04:54.769 --> 00:04:58.829 to go through. And how different she was when 00:04:58.829 --> 00:05:01.230 she wasn't in ceremony too. She was a mom, she 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:05.319 was a partner, she... She was someone who went 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.439 out on the land and cut the cappy vine down, 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.899 which is awesome, but she is a person, she is 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:15.800 a human, and she shared that she and her co -facilitators, 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.459 her co -shamans, had to do so much energy clearing 00:05:19.459 --> 00:05:22.519 and protection work around this space because 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.740 the... neighboring shamans, the male shamans 00:05:25.740 --> 00:05:28.360 in the Shipibo tribe, were very jealous of her 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.560 and did not like that a female was doing that. 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.199 And I remember thinking, interesting, because 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.800 I've had so many people say to me, how dare you 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.040 try to hold cacao? You're not Peruvian or Mexican? 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.319 How dare you try to hold blue lotus? You're not 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:47.310 Egyptian? And I'm like, no one. Who was Egyptian 00:05:47.310 --> 00:05:50.769 then? Technically is Egyptian now, right? But 00:05:50.769 --> 00:05:54.050 is with ayahuasca How dare you try to bring this 00:05:54.050 --> 00:05:56.149 medicine or talk about this medicine in any way? 00:05:56.149 --> 00:05:59.290 You're not a shipibo person as if the shipibo 00:05:59.290 --> 00:06:03.689 own That plant as if it only grows there and 00:06:03.689 --> 00:06:06.290 it belongs to them They are the keepers of this 00:06:06.290 --> 00:06:07.990 plant and they have shared it with the world 00:06:07.990 --> 00:06:10.470 and many of them are doing it just for money 00:06:10.470 --> 00:06:15.459 She's doing it just for money That's the only 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.579 reason her facility is open. She has zero and 00:06:19.579 --> 00:06:24.579 you can see it in the documentary zero Attachment 00:06:24.579 --> 00:06:28.040 to whether they heal love it or not. It is simply 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.879 for money Yeah, so what I had to say to myself 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.800 is Even the shipibo shamans the one we put on 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.360 a pedestal as the keepers of ayahuasca and the 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.240 only ones you should trust with this medicine 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.899 are sending dark energy avatars into her space 00:06:44.899 --> 00:06:47.079 because they're jealous and want to sabotage 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.120 her. And even she is only doing it for money. 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:53.920 The people that help her, the people clearing 00:06:53.920 --> 00:07:00.019 the energy with the smoke have never drank ayahuasca. 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:04.980 So many things that we hold us in the modern 00:07:04.980 --> 00:07:08.230 world. um hold ourselves to especially with all 00:07:08.230 --> 00:07:10.449 this cultural appropriation and you're not doing 00:07:10.449 --> 00:07:14.589 this and you need to do this shamans are very 00:07:14.589 --> 00:07:18.170 human people they really usually are the embodiment 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:22.069 of both darkness and light well that's that's 00:07:22.069 --> 00:07:24.089 one thing that i realized during the journey 00:07:24.089 --> 00:07:29.149 after you described all of this about her and 00:07:29.149 --> 00:07:31.810 considering that because i believe i am also 00:07:31.810 --> 00:07:35.329 a shaman I don't like to use that term. I feel 00:07:35.329 --> 00:07:37.250 like people are going to say something about 00:07:37.250 --> 00:07:40.370 appropriation. Do you not like to use that term? 00:07:40.370 --> 00:07:42.470 I'm so sorry to interrupt, but do you not like 00:07:42.470 --> 00:07:46.649 to use that term because of what people are going 00:07:46.649 --> 00:07:50.970 to say? Yeah, it's because of other people. Because 00:07:50.970 --> 00:07:55.730 other people not understanding. Yeah, that's 00:07:55.730 --> 00:07:58.550 what I feel like they would not understand what 00:07:58.550 --> 00:08:01.370 that means. What word are we supposed to use? 00:08:01.470 --> 00:08:04.899 Chiron? Right? Should we just say chironic healer 00:08:04.899 --> 00:08:08.579 or I'm a chiron instead of a shaman? It's the 00:08:08.579 --> 00:08:11.379 same exact thing. Yeah, I think it's the same 00:08:11.379 --> 00:08:15.240 thing. It is the same thing. When a Celtic shaman 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:19.620 says I am a shaman, they're appropriating a Venki 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:22.600 Siberian culture. Yeah. Technically, if we want 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.740 to go into that and play by the cultural appropriation 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:31.240 cancelled culture rules. Yeah. Yeah. The Native 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.539 American shamans, they don't call themselves 00:08:33.539 --> 00:08:37.320 shaman. That is a Siberian, that is a word that 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.440 comes from the Ewenke people in Siberia, okay? 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.559 So if you're worried that people are not gonna 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.100 like that you use that word, you're worried you're, 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.600 I totally get it, which is why I call myself 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.940 a shamanic healer. I want people to know that 00:08:51.940 --> 00:08:55.440 I'm proud that I do this type of work. but also 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.419 that I honor that I am a healer who is doing 00:08:58.419 --> 00:09:01.200 it shamanically rather than claiming to be a 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.539 Native American or Celtic shaman who lived in 00:09:04.539 --> 00:09:07.240 the woods for 30 years because people think this 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.879 is what a shaman is and they don't realize that 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.220 shamans are being born everywhere all over the 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:15.200 world to help with the ascension process and 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.299 many of us are being born in Harlem and Dallas 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:22.720 and Sydney, Australia. Okay, it isn't always 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.860 in the shipibo tribes. We're incarnating into 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:28.399 places where we can have a much larger effect. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.080 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I believe it's okay for 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.440 you to use that word. Thank you. Yeah. And I 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.899 do I do don't if it doesn't feel aligned. Yeah, 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.779 we could also come up with our own word. I use 00:09:42.779 --> 00:09:45.960 it in like I feel like in certain circumstances. 00:09:46.259 --> 00:09:49.580 I don't like only say that I'm a shamanic healer. 00:09:49.580 --> 00:09:51.940 I use lots of different terms. It depends on 00:09:51.940 --> 00:09:54.820 what I'm aiming for, like what we're talking 00:09:54.820 --> 00:09:57.580 about, you know, like what, you know, whatever 00:09:57.580 --> 00:10:00.879 the subject is. But in, in that journey, the 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.440 realization that I had is along the lines of 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:10.340 the types of shamans that pull physical pain 00:10:10.340 --> 00:10:14.039 into their body and release it because I, I have 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.460 not done this yet, but I do believe that I have 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:20.379 that capability and I think that at some point 00:10:20.379 --> 00:10:22.440 I'm going to be doing that. That's a part of 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.580 your Chiron conjunct the Ascendant. So there 00:10:25.580 --> 00:10:27.620 are many shamans out there that do not have Chiron 00:10:27.620 --> 00:10:29.639 conjunct the Ascendant, but if you have Chiron 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:32.639 conjunct the Sun or the Ascendant or the Midheaven, 00:10:33.179 --> 00:10:36.139 you have shaman energy in you. It's just encoded 00:10:36.139 --> 00:10:41.080 in there. But I also want everyone to realize 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.809 that when you enter a shamanic container with 00:10:45.809 --> 00:10:49.289 a practitioner like the woman in the documentary 00:10:49.289 --> 00:10:58.370 it we become the vessel the gauge the reflector 00:10:58.370 --> 00:11:01.549 of what's happening and also it moves through 00:11:01.549 --> 00:11:04.169 us in our channel because the medicine will use 00:11:04.169 --> 00:11:07.250 us as a main drainage point any healer there 00:11:07.250 --> 00:11:11.350 to not only heal your stuff too because even 00:11:11.629 --> 00:11:14.250 She even says in the documentary, every time 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:17.350 she does a ceremony, they also journey as well. 00:11:17.350 --> 00:11:20.049 They have to to keep her energy coming in with 00:11:20.049 --> 00:11:25.590 their sacred songs, Ikaros. But the way in which 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:29.289 the ceremony usually goes is, even when we work 00:11:29.289 --> 00:11:32.350 with Ayahuasca over here, and I don't have any, 00:11:32.350 --> 00:11:34.450 I usually don't take any medicine the way they 00:11:34.450 --> 00:11:37.149 say you should because I'm so sensitive to it 00:11:37.149 --> 00:11:39.669 that I can feel it and journey without having 00:11:39.669 --> 00:11:43.639 taken anything. So I have to be careful. But 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.080 when we're working with ayahuasca, there are 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.240 many times where everyone's in bed and I go to 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.200 lie down and go to sleep for the night. And that's 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.720 when all the vision starts. That's when all my 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.539 own stuff starts. Because these medicines are 00:11:56.539 --> 00:11:59.200 never gonna look at you and go, you're more healed 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.320 than they are. Absolutely not. They're gonna 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.960 say, okay, now let's focus on you. Because who 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.330 doesn't wanna keep... journeying into themselves 00:12:08.330 --> 00:12:10.470 who doesn't want to keep refining who doesn't 00:12:10.470 --> 00:12:12.769 want to keep seeing more aspects of yourself 00:12:12.769 --> 00:12:15.490 because you can't unexpand a consciousness so 00:12:15.490 --> 00:12:18.789 yeah yeah endlessly entertained like we said 00:12:18.789 --> 00:12:22.110 earlier it's it's like the most fun um and then 00:12:22.110 --> 00:12:25.590 it becomes fun yes so so what i realized though 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:29.289 in my particular journey in my set of circumstances 00:12:29.289 --> 00:12:33.600 and i won't go into details about what I was 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.960 considering, but I had the opportunity and something, 00:12:37.259 --> 00:12:40.519 there's some outside person kept coming into 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:44.120 my journey. My awareness was on this person and 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.340 I was actively trying to push it away. And then 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:49.440 I started just openly saying like, why is this 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.200 happening? Cause I keep trying to push it away, 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:53.860 but it's just like still there. So then what 00:12:53.860 --> 00:12:58.470 I realized was it was a choice to take certain 00:12:58.470 --> 00:13:01.590 paths, not only behaviorally, but also energetically. 00:13:01.870 --> 00:13:04.850 Like if I, if I tried to take on this person 00:13:04.850 --> 00:13:09.690 as a client and process their emotional and physical 00:13:09.690 --> 00:13:13.230 pain through my body as a shaman, I could do 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:19.970 that. But I could also just as powerfully not, 00:13:20.570 --> 00:13:25.570 I could choose not. to take it into myself, but 00:13:25.570 --> 00:13:29.269 only reflect back to that person and hold their 00:13:29.269 --> 00:13:34.289 hand while they heal. And like it seemed to be 00:13:34.289 --> 00:13:37.730 the more powerful option. So then I started to 00:13:37.730 --> 00:13:41.610 like go on this tailspin of thinking about shamans 00:13:41.610 --> 00:13:45.389 as humans, like you said, and it's like, you 00:13:45.389 --> 00:13:47.929 know, the ones who will take, take things on 00:13:47.929 --> 00:13:51.259 for you. And it's like, you know, separate from 00:13:51.259 --> 00:13:53.440 what other people do because their circumstances 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.700 are different, just like I described. I had a 00:13:55.700 --> 00:13:57.620 set of circumstances and it was one way or the 00:13:57.620 --> 00:13:59.960 other. It's not always the case. There could 00:13:59.960 --> 00:14:02.139 be an illness that they're trying to remove. 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:05.879 That's cool. I agree with that. But then I wondered, 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.340 for the things that are like, in particular, 00:14:10.659 --> 00:14:13.960 my circumstances, this potential client, what 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:19.000 is burdening them is not. terminal illness or 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.159 anything along those lines. It's something that 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:22.980 they need to work through and I think that it 00:14:22.980 --> 00:14:27.299 would empower them more if I just like reflected 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:29.639 back to them instead of doing it for them. Doing 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.740 it for them is not going to help them in my situation. 00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:36.240 And if you see it that way, if from that framework 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.720 it is not helpful. However, what's actually happening 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:45.600 is the empath quality of the shaman or just being 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:50.419 an empath will kick in. And what happens is the 00:14:50.419 --> 00:14:55.480 energy is able to move, let's just say the water 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.399 that is now rushing out is able to move through 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.720 two different pipe channels rather than one. 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.620 So it isn't that we take anything, empaths never 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:09.600 take anything from someone else. We mirror it 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.860 back. Through our mirror neurons, but also there 00:15:12.860 --> 00:15:15.559 is an energetic component with the aura where 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.100 the aura will actually Mirror that back as well, 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.940 but you have to understand that There are times 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:26.899 where I have felt pain in my ovaries and they're 00:15:26.899 --> 00:15:32.179 not there Okay, so I'm not taking anything. I 00:15:32.179 --> 00:15:35.000 am feeling the pain with them which helps it 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.970 to remove quicker faster more efficiently Yeah, 00:15:39.970 --> 00:15:42.149 and like when I'm getting downloads I come to 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:44.970 my assistant and I put my hand on her not only 00:15:44.970 --> 00:15:47.309 so she can hear what's coming through but so 00:15:47.309 --> 00:15:51.850 that energetically like Electrically, I can ground 00:15:51.850 --> 00:15:54.970 it in more. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense So 00:15:54.970 --> 00:15:58.129 I am never taking anything back in high school 00:15:58.129 --> 00:16:00.590 early adult life if someone had a headache I 00:16:00.590 --> 00:16:04.330 had a headache and I said to them. Hey, do you 00:16:04.330 --> 00:16:06.620 have a headache right now? I do. And I say, is 00:16:06.620 --> 00:16:08.320 it right here? And they're like, oh my gosh, 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.220 yeah, it's right there. And mine would go away. 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.080 Interesting. But only if I gave it back to them 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.980 was how I used to see it back then. I had to 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:20.419 give it back to them. Basically what that meant 00:16:20.419 --> 00:16:23.379 was I had to acknowledge it to release it. So 00:16:23.379 --> 00:16:25.860 it wasn't in me. It wasn't my headache. But you 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:28.000 have to understand that many of our clients' 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:30.820 traumas will mirror traumas we've already worked 00:16:30.820 --> 00:16:33.139 through or still ones that we're still refining 00:16:33.139 --> 00:16:36.570 or are working through as well. Sometimes we 00:16:36.570 --> 00:16:39.090 attract clients who need our guidance, but they're 00:16:39.090 --> 00:16:41.850 actually more evolved than we are in certain 00:16:41.850 --> 00:16:45.509 ways. But we're more open in the ways that they 00:16:45.509 --> 00:16:48.450 need to be of service to them at the time. So 00:16:48.450 --> 00:16:51.309 the shaman, the practitioner is never the more 00:16:51.309 --> 00:16:54.529 healed one. It's usually just the braver one 00:16:54.529 --> 00:16:57.450 or the one who has... said, I'm going to make 00:16:57.450 --> 00:17:01.129 my entire life around this. It isn't always that 00:17:01.129 --> 00:17:04.190 I'm better, more evolved or more anything. It's 00:17:04.190 --> 00:17:08.309 just more dedicated. I also want to say that 00:17:08.309 --> 00:17:10.990 there are people out there who want to step into 00:17:10.990 --> 00:17:13.150 this work, who want to do shamanic work, but 00:17:13.150 --> 00:17:14.990 won't because they're afraid of what people will 00:17:14.990 --> 00:17:18.549 say. They're afraid of this, what that means 00:17:18.549 --> 00:17:20.990 about them. And I just want to say to people 00:17:20.990 --> 00:17:27.640 that it is really okay. that you start now not 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:31.160 being perfect and that 10 years from now you 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.779 have a successful business you're tapped out 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.079 of the matrix so much or as much as you can be 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.339 but also that you're really serving from this 00:17:39.339 --> 00:17:42.119 beautiful place and your experience of being 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.740 a practitioner was your greatest training and 00:17:44.740 --> 00:17:49.140 education and that spirit your higher self your 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:51.460 guides will continue to train you as you see 00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:56.289 clients so no you are not the most amazing healer 00:17:56.289 --> 00:18:00.289 yet that they could see possibly. Or maybe you 00:18:00.289 --> 00:18:02.509 just don't have a lot of experience doing sessions, 00:18:02.509 --> 00:18:04.450 but actually you've been doing healing work your 00:18:04.450 --> 00:18:06.670 entire life just by laying your hands on people 00:18:06.670 --> 00:18:09.230 and not realizing it. And it's time to be paid 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:11.589 for it. It's time to give all of that to the 00:18:11.589 --> 00:18:14.269 world, especially if you feel passionate about 00:18:14.269 --> 00:18:16.470 it. There are people who don't want to do this 00:18:16.470 --> 00:18:19.809 work, but for myself, I enjoy it so much and 00:18:19.809 --> 00:18:23.859 I'm so passionate about it that it is my honor 00:18:23.859 --> 00:18:27.099 to take those things on, but it is also my duty 00:18:27.099 --> 00:18:30.039 to keep checking in with myself and constantly 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.819 evaluating self and where my integrity is and 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:36.680 how other people are feeling in my energy. I 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.500 have to do that because for me to continue doing 00:18:39.500 --> 00:18:41.920 this work, if I become aware of a crack in the 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.420 foundation, I will go down there with my cement 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:49.500 bucket and fill in that crack. Once I realize 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:52.180 it's there or I feel something crumbling I will 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:55.519 tend to it because this is the only temple I 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.079 want to exist in Yeah, okay it plain and simple 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:00.680 some of you want to be singers some of you want 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.180 to be mommies some of you want to be a doctor 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:06.380 some of us want to be healers and medicine keepers 00:19:06.380 --> 00:19:10.079 and psychics and channels and spaceholders we're 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:15.059 passionate about it and I Have been to hair stylists 00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:17.039 that were okay. I've been to some that were not 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.930 good and I've been to some that I was like, this 00:19:18.930 --> 00:19:22.430 is the best haircut I've ever had. They all three 00:19:22.430 --> 00:19:25.190 of them were passionate about it, though. Yeah. 00:19:25.190 --> 00:19:27.750 And so maybe the other two, it was either a bad 00:19:27.750 --> 00:19:30.970 day or they're on their way to becoming the hairstylist 00:19:30.970 --> 00:19:33.569 that I would consider to be incredible. So we're 00:19:33.569 --> 00:19:35.430 going to hold space for everybody where they 00:19:35.430 --> 00:19:38.470 are and not every healer is the same and not 00:19:38.470 --> 00:19:42.750 we hold healers, spiritual people, shamans, priests 00:19:42.750 --> 00:19:48.839 to such high standards. Yeah. And But we don't 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.779 even hold ourselves to those things. But we feel 00:19:52.779 --> 00:19:55.359 if you're gonna step into this role, you have 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.519 to be perfect and completely connected or there's 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:03.319 no reason for us to follow you. Oh, that's why. 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.299 That's why you all placed me on a pedestal and 00:20:06.299 --> 00:20:09.599 why I fell from grace in your eyes. Because you 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:14.930 wanted someone to follow. And that is not my 00:20:14.930 --> 00:20:17.849 code. To the people who called me a cult leader, 00:20:18.529 --> 00:20:22.190 I am. I am the most incredible cult leader in 00:20:22.190 --> 00:20:28.829 this cult. Everyone's free to leave. Yes. So 00:20:28.829 --> 00:20:30.970 I can't believe someone called you a cult leader. 00:20:31.490 --> 00:20:34.690 Several people did at the same retreat. Wow. 00:20:35.069 --> 00:20:37.089 Well, it was an entity. It was an entity. Yeah, 00:20:37.089 --> 00:20:40.259 that's actually what I just saw was, yeah. There 00:20:40.259 --> 00:20:42.460 was an entity getting into them and making them 00:20:42.460 --> 00:20:46.180 see me that way because there are times where 00:20:46.180 --> 00:20:50.619 I leave a Retreat and I think I can't wait to 00:20:50.619 --> 00:20:54.859 get home. I Haven't slept in days. I've had people 00:20:54.859 --> 00:20:56.880 call me a cult leader. There were people crying 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.759 I feel like crying for days. I don't know what's 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:01.380 happening. I just need to get home and ground 00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:04.539 and rest That's what I need to do. I'm not leaving 00:21:04.539 --> 00:21:07.039 going I'm a powerful shaman and I just helped 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.160 I'm leaving Thinking I just want to sleep nobody 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.900 talked to me. Yeah, right. There are things like 00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:17.160 that that I will go home and think Would the 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:22.299 highest timeline healer? version of me Want to 00:21:22.299 --> 00:21:24.599 get away from this so badly. I don't often let 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.759 myself be human, right? So when other people 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.640 see a guy who is not heterosexual who is not 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:38.710 even fully a guy Sitting in a circle of all ladies, 00:21:38.710 --> 00:21:42.569 I get that if you see me as a straight man, that 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:46.349 that can look kind of strange. But I was just 00:21:46.349 --> 00:21:48.769 with all my girls because I am one in many ways. 00:21:48.869 --> 00:21:51.750 I have been my whole life. So that was so bizarre. 00:21:52.029 --> 00:21:55.910 The way that you all could have found so many 00:21:55.910 --> 00:21:57.970 things that I was not doing in my integrity, 00:21:58.410 --> 00:22:01.549 like giving supplements to people to take during 00:22:01.549 --> 00:22:03.230 the medicine, but not always telling them what 00:22:03.230 --> 00:22:06.900 it is. I now tell everybody what it is ad nauseam 00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:08.920 until they're annoyed with me, right? Because 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:10.819 someone brought that to my attention at one point. 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:12.779 And I thought that's something I can refine. 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.839 I cannot refine that I only attract mostly ladies. 00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:20.519 I cannot refine or change that most of the male 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.700 clients I've had have been homophobic and do 00:22:22.700 --> 00:22:27.640 not like me in their space healing. I can't change. 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:30.170 Certain things about humans and the way they 00:22:30.170 --> 00:22:33.569 I can't change the fact that I am Caucasian in 00:22:33.569 --> 00:22:35.869 this lifetime and want to do work that you all 00:22:35.869 --> 00:22:38.509 think I'm not dark enough to do or indigenous 00:22:38.509 --> 00:22:42.369 enough to do I can't change those things So if 00:22:42.369 --> 00:22:44.269 I'm supposed to be Chiron and I'm supposed to 00:22:44.269 --> 00:22:51.490 be a trigger and a matrix disruptor Who would 00:22:51.490 --> 00:22:54.130 have thought that matrix disrupting and being 00:22:54.130 --> 00:22:58.660 a sacred trigger would disrupt and trigger so 00:22:58.660 --> 00:23:01.859 many people. Yeah, right. But you also have a 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:05.339 lot of people who are masquerading as a triggerer 00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:08.400 and a sacred, you know, activator, and they're 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.980 just out here abusing people and projecting all 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:13.599 over people, right? Yeah, yeah. I've also checked 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.640 in with myself because I don't enjoy triggering 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.839 people like some of these people do. No, no. 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.369 I hate it. Yes, that's something I want everyone 00:23:21.369 --> 00:23:25.769 to see me as Chiron the part of my wound is how 00:23:25.769 --> 00:23:28.990 much I Dislike certain aspects of this work, 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:33.069 but those things will never ever Make me stop. 00:23:33.269 --> 00:23:37.170 Mm -hmm. I know that I in my past I've triggered 00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:39.589 a lot of people especially that I worked with 00:23:39.589 --> 00:23:42.109 because I was in landscaping so I worked with 00:23:42.109 --> 00:23:46.109 a lot of men and At one point I was working with 00:23:46.109 --> 00:23:50.559 a company. I was doing consulting work and I 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.500 was also doing operations and I went out into 00:23:53.500 --> 00:23:57.140 the field. I was on site and I walked up on someone 00:23:57.140 --> 00:23:59.759 that was already working on something and I started 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.880 to help them because they were alone. The group 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.079 was over there blowing leaves and then this guy 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:08.599 was cutting vines that grew through a chain link 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.579 fence, but he was not doing it very effectively. 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.160 He was working really hard, but he wasn't doing 00:24:16.299 --> 00:24:20.140 the work very effectively so he was cutting it 00:24:20.140 --> 00:24:22.240 at the bottom and then like pulling it all the 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.279 way through so like he's physically doing a lot 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.259 of work that he didn't have to do so then i showed 00:24:26.259 --> 00:24:28.619 him like look this chain link fence it goes all 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:31.660 the way up snip it several different spots and 00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:33.680 you just pull out the pieces like you don't have 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.519 to like manhandle this and you can move a lot 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:39.700 faster you just cut cut cut cut and then pull 00:24:39.700 --> 00:24:43.500 all the pieces out he instead of saying thank 00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.359 you Instead of saying, you're right. Instead 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.759 of saying, I know that you've done this for six 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.599 years and I'm just 21 years old and I've done 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.900 this for six months and I don't know anything 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.819 about anything. No, he didn't say that. He said, 00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:01.440 well, I really gave you a head start, didn't 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:06.079 I? I was like, what the fuck? Well, and that's 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:10.579 pure ego. And I've seen it so many times. And 00:25:10.579 --> 00:25:12.660 that's just like one example out of like a million. 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.450 But it's like, Yeah, I've recognized times where 00:25:16.450 --> 00:25:18.970 people were completely triggered because I was 00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:23.230 more, more efficient, more powerful, demanded 00:25:23.230 --> 00:25:26.170 more attention, whatever is the energy in the 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:29.289 room. Sometimes it's women, sometimes it's men, 00:25:29.890 --> 00:25:32.950 sometimes people think I'm flirting with them 00:25:32.950 --> 00:25:35.769 when I'm actually just being nice. And it just, 00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:39.670 it's like a whole - We have a lot of Gemini FM3 00:25:39.670 --> 00:25:42.609 in our chart. Okay. Which can be a little butterfly. 00:25:43.049 --> 00:25:48.500 Yeah. But I was thinking about that earlier today, 00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:52.880 a few times, specifically with work, people that 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:55.539 were kind of like competing with me, but there 00:25:55.539 --> 00:25:57.720 was no need for competition. I was trying to 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.759 set them up to succeed and then they were like 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:05.579 offended. That's what happened with one of the 00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:07.539 clients who accused me of being a cult leader 00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:12.230 was I eventually found out was trying to take 00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:15.410 clients and also find where I was getting my 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:17.170 medicine because she wanted to do what I was 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:20.509 doing. And I have a program I would have fully 00:26:20.509 --> 00:26:22.990 supported you had you said, hey, I want you to 00:26:22.990 --> 00:26:26.250 be my mentor. It was very strange how I was being 00:26:26.250 --> 00:26:28.309 called the cult leader, but she was behind my 00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:32.369 back doing all these strange things. We're all 00:26:32.369 --> 00:26:35.190 human. We're all in survival mode. She feels 00:26:35.190 --> 00:26:37.569 like he figured it out. I'll just use his formula. 00:26:38.190 --> 00:26:40.089 Many people do that with manifestors and human 00:26:40.089 --> 00:26:45.029 design. I don't want to talk about that to shame 00:26:45.029 --> 00:26:49.609 that person because had there not been an entity 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:54.680 involved, I think that... It was just a misunderstanding 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.180 and I feel badly that that happened because trauma 00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:01.839 can do that and also I'm a guy. I get that things 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.559 can get weird and that's why I do not host private 00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.519 retreats without a female facilitator anymore 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.740 even when I know the person. So there are things 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.339 that I've been able to refine and learn from 00:27:13.339 --> 00:27:16.140 these experiences and I wish that person the 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:20.019 best because I love her so much. I hope that 00:27:20.019 --> 00:27:27.549 someday you guys figure it out maybe I I Am open 00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:30.130 if that's where my mission needs to go. I have 00:27:30.130 --> 00:27:34.109 no desire to rekindle a relationship or anything 00:27:34.109 --> 00:27:36.950 like that, but I wish her the best and I want 00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:42.630 everyone to know that That That was helpful to 00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:45.589 me in many ways. Although it was not meant to 00:27:45.589 --> 00:27:50.009 be okay, and also I believe this person who is 00:27:51.320 --> 00:27:54.619 also was inspired, let's just put it that way, 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:59.839 by the way I did things or by doing this type 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.500 of work, okay? I was one of her first entry points 00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:07.240 into all of this, okay? So I'm so happy to inspire, 00:28:07.299 --> 00:28:11.180 but it really hurts when the inspiration turns 00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:15.559 against you in such... It would be different 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.279 if they didn't like the way I said something 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.900 but to accuse me of being a cult leader These 00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:22.259 were these were things that live in my energy 00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:25.240 field from my past lives and from this lifetime 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:32.039 sexual abuse sexual trauma I was sexually Let's 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.059 just say not abused but sexually violated during 00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:38.859 a medicine journey many years ago So for her 00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:42.579 to say that I felt like it was the entity mocking 00:28:43.869 --> 00:28:47.170 what happened to me through her. I think that's 00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:50.890 how they get you. I think that's what the cult 00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:53.710 leader is. I before those two people even came 00:28:53.710 --> 00:28:55.750 to that retreat and both called me a cult leader 00:28:55.750 --> 00:29:00.869 separately. Which was so interesting. I had been 00:29:00.869 --> 00:29:04.630 working through a life where I had been a leader 00:29:04.630 --> 00:29:08.549 of a large group. So I found it to be reflective. 00:29:08.829 --> 00:29:11.829 But also it was triggering to me at the time 00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:14.809 because it was so opposite of the way I actually 00:29:14.809 --> 00:29:18.250 operate I feel like just because I'm an ego manifest 00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:21.650 or with a lot of Leo in my chart and I come off 00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:25.769 Like a cult leader, I guess doesn't mean I actually 00:29:25.769 --> 00:29:29.130 want to disempower people or take them away or 00:29:29.130 --> 00:29:34.309 That or to put it in quotations putting drugs 00:29:34.309 --> 00:29:38.130 in the hand soap I've been accused of putting 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:43.930 drugs in soap to do something. I don't know what 00:29:43.930 --> 00:29:46.490 they thought I was doing, right? But I understand 00:29:46.490 --> 00:29:49.609 their fears and I held space for it. But I also 00:29:49.609 --> 00:29:53.309 some of it just I don't have time for these entities 00:29:53.309 --> 00:29:56.529 getting into people. And people can say, how 00:29:56.529 --> 00:30:00.430 dare you say that their legitimate trauma they 00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:04.029 experienced with you was an entity in them. I'm 00:30:04.029 --> 00:30:06.210 saying that's my perspective, because I thought 00:30:06.210 --> 00:30:09.289 it was me. You think For those several years, 00:30:09.289 --> 00:30:11.730 I didn't think it was me. I would ask Spirit, 00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:16.069 why am I doing this if I'm hurting people? I'm 00:30:16.069 --> 00:30:18.089 just hurting people. I would forget all the people 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:21.109 who told me that their life was changed. So if 00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:23.470 I go into this work wanting to do good and it's 00:30:23.470 --> 00:30:25.730 only going to traumatize people, don't you see 00:30:25.730 --> 00:30:28.609 the rabbit holes I went down? Yeah. For months, 00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:31.789 right? And I had to come out of it going, oh 00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:34.910 wait. I went down that rabbit hole because I 00:30:34.910 --> 00:30:38.049 care so much. Yeah. And I think that that is 00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:42.549 on purpose. I think that in a way, this is from 00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:45.730 my perspective, the way that I see it, it's almost 00:30:45.730 --> 00:30:51.190 like Mario Brothers. When you reach certain points 00:30:51.190 --> 00:30:53.230 and you catch a flag and you can come back to 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:55.349 that flag, it's almost like a point, but it's 00:30:55.349 --> 00:30:59.619 also like... Oh, goodness. Where was it going 00:30:59.619 --> 00:31:01.680 with that? I saw it very clearly, but it's like 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.779 you asked for that. Like you've been asked to 00:31:04.779 --> 00:31:07.819 be challenged so that you can be reinforced. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.359 Yes. So that's what I alchemized it to do. And 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.519 I know that that was ultimately what was always 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.839 going to happen, but it did make me very angry 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.319 knowing that something wanted to stop me or something 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.640 was trying to get me to question myself or that's 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.400 just some people may have been jealous or envious 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.509 or even just triggered because when you are the 00:31:30.509 --> 00:31:35.069 healer, especially as Chiron, I will embody certain 00:31:35.069 --> 00:31:37.309 personality traits around certain people and 00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.069 I won't know where they're coming from. And I'm 00:31:40.069 --> 00:31:42.750 actually becoming their abusive mother. And I'm 00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:45.470 not being abusive. I'm just, I'll say something 00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:49.009 that will remind them of them. And I won't even 00:31:49.009 --> 00:31:51.910 realize it. And they will immediately, they won't 00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:53.869 even think this is triggering a mother wound. 00:31:54.309 --> 00:31:57.069 I don't like him. get him away from me, right? 00:31:57.710 --> 00:31:59.710 Because they can't handle triggers and they also 00:31:59.710 --> 00:32:02.289 think he's doing it on purpose. And some of these 00:32:02.289 --> 00:32:04.569 people, I wanted to be like, look, I love you 00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:06.730 all so much, but I'm not thinking about you that 00:32:06.730 --> 00:32:10.970 deep. I am at home working on my website and 00:32:10.970 --> 00:32:14.849 going out to the sacred site here in Shasta and 00:32:14.849 --> 00:32:18.250 meditating and playing with the dog. I do not 00:32:18.250 --> 00:32:23.180 have time to be siphoning your energy. or leading 00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:26.359 you into any kind of darkness, or saying things 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.400 to you that will not serve you. Because if I 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.099 have, I apologize, but that was not my intention. 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.559 I think that's what matters, is I think we need 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.619 to really understand that most of the people 00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:41.400 doing this work, even the person that accused 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.720 me of that, who I believe is doing good work 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.720 in the world, okay? So let's just... hold that 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.539 it was messy, that entities got involved, but 00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:53.700 if everyone is in their mission and doing the 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:58.039 work, then we won, right? The way in which we 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.279 didn't win was that it turned us against each 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.680 other, but also there are boundaries as humans 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.759 that when we cross, we do have to honor these 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.279 boundaries and set them, but also I hold space 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.839 for no matter whether it was an entity or whatever. 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.900 Yes. I am not perfect. You are not perfect. And 00:33:19.900 --> 00:33:22.900 so most of the people out here who are healers 00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:25.240 are not trying to be a healer because they're 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.460 perfect They're a healer because they're wounded 00:33:27.460 --> 00:33:29.240 and they want to help other people not feel the 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.200 way they have felt Yeah, okay, it's gonna get 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.880 messy sometimes and We honestly don't need any 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.420 more healers who are versed in Psychological 00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:46.559 language and say things the correct way. It's 00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:49.940 I do believe we need integrity, we need structures 00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:53.940 in place, but I also believe that much of the 00:33:53.940 --> 00:33:56.240 people out here who are triggering each other 00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:01.440 or these practitioners who are not in their power, 00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:03.359 that sort of thing, or they're saying things 00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.519 recklessly and not being mindful of other people's 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.460 trauma, I believe some of them are triggering 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:11.639 things that need to be triggered, that need to 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.980 come up to the surface. And so even if it's happening 00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:17.659 in a messy way and it's not done with the political 00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:20.400 correctness of the psychological community or 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.519 therapists and that sort of thing that comes 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.579 through that college training, right? I believe 00:34:27.579 --> 00:34:30.760 that's not always exactly the medicine that's 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.699 needed. I believe there are people out here who 00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:37.960 don't have any certifications. None. and they 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.380 have incredible healing abilities just being 00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.320 in their energy field allows you to release energy 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.699 that is a gift that should be paid for that should 00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:51.480 be seen and honored and so I just want to say 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.519 to people I think most of us are actually when 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.280 I say in our integrity wanting to be in our integrity 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.679 at least even if we're not fully because you 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.960 have to understand most of the healers that you're 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.639 interacting with they have bills to pay So when 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.760 you say, do you think I should book a session 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:14.820 with you? It takes a lot out of me sometimes 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:18.880 because my first initial reaction is yes, book, 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.159 duh, this is my business. But I have to sit with, 00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:24.500 is this the right client? Is this correct for 00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:26.820 them? Is this the direction we want to go in, 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.380 especially with retreats and things like that? 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.179 That isn't just open to the public. There's a 00:35:32.179 --> 00:35:34.619 whole. Process I go through around it because 00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:39.340 I learned the hard way Okay Just letting anyone 00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:41.619 in but that's what happens when you're in survival 00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:43.500 That's what happens when I went out on my own 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.559 and no one was paying me and I wanted to keep 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.099 doing this We're all doing our best deprogramming 00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:54.099 from mind control deprogramming from this Capitalistic 00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:57.070 structure that's not being used to serve us Okay, 00:35:57.309 --> 00:35:59.570 capitalism can be neutral, but it is not being 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:02.449 used to serve us. We're tapping out of so many 00:36:02.449 --> 00:36:05.230 things. Can we give each other grace that we've 00:36:05.230 --> 00:36:08.989 got some entities on us that we got easily siphoned 00:36:08.989 --> 00:36:11.570 that we didn't that we were using false light 00:36:11.570 --> 00:36:15.170 symbols that we gave supplements to people but 00:36:15.170 --> 00:36:17.150 didn't tell them exactly what each supplement 00:36:17.150 --> 00:36:19.849 was because most people didn't care until you 00:36:19.849 --> 00:36:23.389 came along. You know what I mean? Can we keep 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.480 helping each other get better rather than saying, 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.719 Christine, that Chris King guy, he has an entity 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.159 on him. You need to stay away from him. Yeah. 00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:37.139 Which is a quote that I heard from someone. This 00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:40.260 is a PSA. Who doesn't even know me. Yeah. She 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:43.440 doesn't even know you. That means that she went 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.619 into my energy field looking for an entity without 00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:50.019 my permission. Yo, she did it to me too. This 00:36:50.019 --> 00:36:53.460 is a PSA for anyone out there and there is a 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:57.940 woman and she thinks she knows better than almost 00:36:57.940 --> 00:37:01.800 anyone. Well, and maybe she does and we just 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.000 haven't caught up with her yet. Maybe. Could 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.420 be. What I want to say, my camera is going to 00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:09.000 go off by the way, only because my phone is or 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.000 the camera is getting so hot. I'm here even though 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.940 I've gone into the abyss. But I want to say about 00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:22.699 that person. Yes that It would have been really 00:37:22.699 --> 00:37:25.119 nice. I would have really appreciated it had 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.380 she seen a Reptilian or a demonic entity or an 00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:31.500 archon or something like that or a disincarnate 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.099 being who was using me to eat sugar You know 00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:38.639 what I mean? Yeah. Yeah or or Smoke some kind 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.019 of drugs that I don't smoke. So I just want to 00:37:41.019 --> 00:37:45.099 say it would have been very kind of her to say 00:37:45.099 --> 00:37:49.119 to you, will you give him my number or will you 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.699 refer him to someone to help him? Right? No, 00:37:54.099 --> 00:37:56.699 it was a problem. And I know that she like looked 00:37:56.699 --> 00:38:00.199 down on me because I had an entity attachment 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.599 through marriage. But this is part of my life 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:08.750 path. This is part of why I came. And it's very 00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:11.309 complicated. It also involves my children. So 00:38:11.309 --> 00:38:14.170 it's also can we just mention that entities can 00:38:14.170 --> 00:38:17.030 be positive too? Oh, yeah. Archangel Michael 00:38:17.030 --> 00:38:19.489 is an entity. Your grandmother in spirit is an 00:38:19.489 --> 00:38:22.570 entity. Yes. Yeah. So what if she did see an 00:38:22.570 --> 00:38:27.349 entity, but it wasn't dark, right? Yeah. What 00:38:27.349 --> 00:38:31.289 if she what if she's infiltrated? And so now 00:38:31.289 --> 00:38:37.000 her lens is only sees divine light. guides as 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.280 dark energies. I'm not saying that's the case. 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.219 I'm just saying I could say that if she, if she 00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:44.739 can so freely say I have an entity, I can so 00:38:44.739 --> 00:38:46.519 freely say that she has an entity that makes 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.860 her see good entities as bad ones. Yeah. Yeah. 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.860 I mean, it was very interesting because I had 00:38:53.860 --> 00:39:00.019 a client and her daughter was like 11 or 12 and 00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:06.090 she, her knees were deteriorating, like the meniscus, 00:39:06.110 --> 00:39:11.090 the cartilage in her knees was like really deteriorated, 00:39:11.389 --> 00:39:14.230 especially very strange for a young child. And 00:39:14.230 --> 00:39:16.130 so I was like, this is definitely energetic. 00:39:16.130 --> 00:39:18.050 And when I tried to look into it, there was an 00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:20.809 entity. But like I said earlier, I have an entity 00:39:20.809 --> 00:39:24.110 attachment. And a lot of times it keeps me, if 00:39:24.110 --> 00:39:26.789 they're on a similar vibration, it keeps me from 00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:29.110 being able to actually see it. Sometimes I can 00:39:29.110 --> 00:39:32.250 see them. Sometimes I can't, but I... do feel 00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:35.670 when they're there and I ask questions and sometimes 00:39:35.670 --> 00:39:37.929 I get a response and that's how I know that they're 00:39:37.929 --> 00:39:40.750 there too but I feel them but I don't always 00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:43.590 see them because I have a like a filter on online 00:39:43.590 --> 00:39:48.250 yeah yeah um but I am aware of that so I know 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:52.409 how to you know do stuff so then I tried to refer 00:39:52.409 --> 00:39:56.329 my client to this woman getting herself saying 00:39:56.329 --> 00:39:59.849 that she is a specialist in removing entities 00:39:59.849 --> 00:40:04.949 that are attached to narcissistic people and 00:40:04.949 --> 00:40:08.190 That she has really a lot of experience and is 00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:12.630 an expert at detaching these highly complex attachments, 00:40:13.050 --> 00:40:17.250 so I try to refer my client to her and the response 00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:20.369 that I received back was every time you reach 00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:23.269 out to me, I get psychically attacked. I think 00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:26.889 you understand that I need to cut you off. Um, 00:40:28.210 --> 00:40:30.849 and it was, it was just also really interesting 00:40:30.849 --> 00:40:34.429 to me because she always touted her protective 00:40:34.429 --> 00:40:37.909 bubble building, like her shielding practices, 00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:42.929 which I don't shield. Yeah, just just to tell 00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:46.309 people I don't shield. I amplify I push my energy 00:40:46.309 --> 00:40:49.989 out. I welcome these entities in like a moth 00:40:49.989 --> 00:40:53.869 to a flame come into the light. I know that there's 00:40:53.869 --> 00:40:56.130 organic light running through me and there has 00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:58.869 been false light. I'm sure I'm been in the false 00:40:58.869 --> 00:41:02.869 matrix. So and we're all working our way through 00:41:02.869 --> 00:41:06.070 this and what she might see dark might not actually 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:09.059 be. Right, maybe. Like I've had clients in my 00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:11.579 medicine journey see demonic faces many, many, 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:14.159 many times. Maybe they weren't demons they were 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.900 seeing. Maybe they were just expressions of their 00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:21.179 consciousness and it was tongues and teeth and 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:24.400 the next one was butterflies and rainbows. It's 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.440 just duality. It's part of our psyche. I know 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.159 my daughter was afraid of... I called in Our 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.639 Lady of Guadalupe to sit with her and protect 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:38.710 her overnight. And she woke up after I left the 00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:43.590 space and said that there was a large person 00:41:43.590 --> 00:41:46.590 with no arms and a big head that was separate 00:41:46.590 --> 00:41:51.590 sitting on the couch. And it was just a shadow. 00:41:51.710 --> 00:41:53.889 And I was like, that was our lady of Guadalupe. 00:41:54.010 --> 00:41:56.329 Like, look at the outline of her. Like that was 00:41:56.329 --> 00:41:58.530 her. You don't have to be afraid of her. And 00:41:58.530 --> 00:42:00.769 she's like, oh, well, it was a shadow. It was 00:42:00.769 --> 00:42:02.949 dark. So I thought it was bad. And I was like, 00:42:02.940 --> 00:42:05.980 No, just because it's a shadow doesn't mean it's 00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:10.000 bad. That's right. That's right. And a lot of 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.960 these entities could move into the light by attaching 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.199 to us if we optimize it and don't embed more 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.960 fear. They're feeding off the fear. They're made 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.300 of fear. They're made of those lower vibrating. 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.860 They feed off of those lower vibrating emotions. 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.880 So it's a tricky place to be because basically 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.219 what we're saying is we welcome the dark entities. 00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:35.329 Come on in. what I'm not saying is, come on in 00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:38.690 and infiltrate me and get me to do your dark 00:42:38.690 --> 00:42:41.710 bidding, if that's what people think is happening. 00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:45.750 Can we just be curious? Can we be curious about 00:42:45.750 --> 00:42:48.369 what the entity wants, why it exists, why it's 00:42:48.369 --> 00:42:51.550 attaching? Can we show it love and compassion? 00:42:52.050 --> 00:42:54.630 And can we forgive it? Can we understand that 00:42:54.630 --> 00:42:57.690 it belongs in the false matrix or it belongs 00:42:57.690 --> 00:43:02.639 in duality? That in duality, angels and demons 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.800 must exist because that's how duality works. 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.699 And recognizing that if you have any type of 00:43:09.699 --> 00:43:12.800 attachment with a certain entity of low vibration, 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.440 the only way that that is possible is because 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.179 it resonates with something in you. Beautiful, 00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:21.980 yes. I mean, it wouldn't be if that wasn't the 00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:27.940 case. So yeah. I'm back. You're back. Well, I 00:43:27.940 --> 00:43:31.599 will say. This has been a lovely conversation 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.400 and I feel like you and I could talk about so 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.239 many different things forever Thank you so much 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.639 Chris for this conversation today. It really 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.920 was wonderful and I appreciate having such authentic 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:48.559 open Dynamic conversation for us to expand our 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.960 consciousness. Yes. Yes. Thank you for having 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:56.400 me here. Thank you all for witnessing us as people 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.599 who are stepping into these roles and doing the 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.320 best that we can. And if anyone has any questions 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.659 for me or feels called to connect with me, you 00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:10.289 can go to ChrisKing .com. or medicinealchemist 00:44:10.289 --> 00:44:13.269 .com or ascended -astrology .com those are my 00:44:13.269 --> 00:44:16.449 three main places that you can find me or you 00:44:16.449 --> 00:44:19.909 can follow me on social media that sort of thing 00:44:19.909 --> 00:44:23.289 and just tap into my energy a little bit and 00:44:23.289 --> 00:44:25.989 I would love to support anyone who feels called 00:44:25.989 --> 00:44:29.050 or point you in the right direction and I just 00:44:29.050 --> 00:44:32.469 appreciate this opportunity to share and be open 00:44:32.469 --> 00:44:35.250 and real and have a conversation that not many 00:44:35.250 --> 00:44:39.010 people are willing to have. Thank you so much. 00:44:39.070 --> 00:44:42.789 It was wonderful. We'll talk again soon until 00:44:42.789 --> 00:44:50.289 next time take care As we close out this conversation 00:44:50.289 --> 00:44:52.889 with Chris King I want to leave you with this 00:44:52.889 --> 00:44:56.289 reminder Healing isn't about getting it right 00:44:56.289 --> 00:45:00.010 or reaching some final destination It's about 00:45:00.010 --> 00:45:03.269 staying in relationship with your own truth as 00:45:03.269 --> 00:45:06.860 it evolves If something in this episode stirred 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:11.380 reflection, discomfort, clarity, or curiosity, 00:45:12.019 --> 00:45:16.039 I invite you to sit with that. You do not need 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:20.300 to rush to label it or resolve it. Discernment, 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.340 sovereignty, and integrity are practices that 00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:28.380 we return to again and again. If you would like 00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:31.139 to connect further, you can find Chris King on 00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:40.510 Instagram, or ascended underscore astrology or 00:45:40.510 --> 00:45:50.010 the .medicine .alchemist or chrisking .com to 00:45:50.010 --> 00:45:53.670 explore his work more deeply. You can connect 00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:57.449 with me on Instagram at Hyacinth Healing or through 00:45:57.449 --> 00:46:00.869 my link tree. You'll find all of our links in 00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:04.860 the show notes. Thank you for spending your time 00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:07.599 and energy here with us. I hope to see you in 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.440 the next episode. And if you haven't already, 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:16.119 please do. Rate, share, subscribe, all the things. 00:46:16.820 --> 00:46:19.659 Show me some love. Have a wonderful week and 00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:20.780 I'll see you next time.