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Hello and welcome to another episode of In My

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Experience with yours truly, Christine DiGinto.

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This podcast is a space where I speak from lived

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experience. The moments that shaped me, challenged

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me and changed the way that I understand myself

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in the world. The awakenings, the breakdowns,

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the moments that cracked me open, asked me to

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stay present, be embodied. and be honest with

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myself. I share my stories not to persuade or

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define truth for anyone else, but to offer perspective,

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to explore the gray areas we don't often have

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language for, to slow things down and listen

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more closely to what's happening beneath the

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surface. You'll hear solo episodes where I reflect

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on my own initiations, spiritual gifts, and the

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systems that try to define me. And conversations

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with guests who have walked strange, beautiful,

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and sometimes painful paths of their own and

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come back with wisdom to share with us. I invite

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you to take what resonates, leave the rest, and

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trust your own experience as valid. Thank you

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for being here. This is In My Experience. Hello

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and welcome back. I realized that in part one,

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I mentioned we would be talking about dragons

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in part two, but that was incorrect. I apologize

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for that. It's been a little bit hectic over

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here. I recently started homeschooling my daughter.

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We've wanted to do it for years and we're both

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very excited, but it happened very quickly and

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I had to get a new computer. So in last week,

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I was editing the episode before it got out.

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I was sharing the computer with my daughter and

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I really didn't have much time to make sure everything

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was correct. I hope you all forgive me. I forgive

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myself. This is part two of my conversation with

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Erin French of Natural Heart Alchemy. If you

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haven't listened to part one yet, I recommend

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starting there. We laid the foundation regarding

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the Akashic field, mentorship and spiritual lineage.

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We also discussed dragons. Part two moves more

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fully into lived experience. In this episode,

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I share a bit more about my own spiritual awakening

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and plant medicine experiences. We talk honestly

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about integration and the pitfalls that can happen

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when expanded states are not properly supported.

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We also explore the quantum field, timeline creation,

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and how the Akashic records function as a frequency

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that we tune into. rather than a place that we

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visit. This part of the conversation is reflective,

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nuanced, and very human. Let's continue. I had

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a very fast spiritual awakening and I suddenly

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had abilities that, though they are my abilities,

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they weren't They weren't trained for, and they

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were not supposed to come on board that quickly

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and at that time. So it was very destabilizing,

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but it was also the validation that I received

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from plant medicine was I was able to see the

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same way. Like I looked up in the sky and I saw

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the grid lines and I could see, sometimes I would

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notice people's faces changing a bit. maybe they

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had an entity in them, you know, and they would

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start to come out and I would see that. So it

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was it was validating for me, experiencing plant

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medicine, because I had never done that before.

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And had a spiritual experience of being able

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to see and sense three different dimensions.

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Thinking I'm crazy, right? And then slowly calming

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down, doing Reiki, grounding, all this stuff.

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And then within a year, I did my first plant

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medicine experience. And as soon as I was in

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the journey, I was like, wow, this is what I

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felt like. This is the type of stuff that I saw.

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This is the level of hearing that I had. So I'm

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not crazy. But then I was like, was I drugged?

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And I was like, no, no one drugged me for a month.

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You know what I mean? you know. I love that so

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much though. I love that story because again

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what you know what you're sharing is that you

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had the awakening first and you went to all these

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realms and then the plant medicine confirmed

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where you were. Yes. Because it's like you know

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there's to be really clear you know these plant

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medicines do take us allow us to go out into

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realms of consciousness that are not for many

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of us normal quote everyday levels of consciousness

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especially when we're not fully awakened and

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yet it's also really important to know from my

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perspective that they don't take us anywhere

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that we cannot go and don't go naturally as humans

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by ourselves. Yes. Really like they just open

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doors and we you know without the medicine we

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can and do go as humans everywhere. naturally,

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this is our birthright, is to expand and be alchemist

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of energy across all space and time. So I actually

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really love that. And you mentioned something

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really quickly earlier that your waking was really

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quickly and maybe not meant to happen in that

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way. And I'll just offer the counterpoint that

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of course it was meant to happen that way because

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it did. Yeah. Oh, yes. Of course, right? I'm

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just saying like, of course it was meant to happen

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that way. But the caution too is that if people

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do plant medicines, early early early on or if

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even if they do them you know quote recreationally

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and take some doses that are larger what happens

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is if your consciousness hasn't seen those realms

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before and you go out and see things and then

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bring those levels of awareness back to a very

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low state of vibration that hasn't awakened that

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can lead to all the you know sort of westerners

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might call it like a psychosis or some kind of

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a schizophrenic break or different versions of

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that because are you know if our brain hasn't

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naturally expanded if our energy body hasn't

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naturally expanded and integrated to these different

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levels of energetic experience there's no frame

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of reference and either people might go quote

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crazy and sort of disassociate or also what happens

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is people might think it's important and they

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think that like like i'm god now and i have the

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answers that was what i was terrified of yeah

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right yeah and that can be sort of like this

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I'll say it this way, sort of like a false prophet

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thing where people can say, I'm so important.

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I'm going to trademark my school. I've had this

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really profound spiritual experience that's very

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important. And I'm going to say, my school. trademarked,

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you know, and like come to me in this sort of

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grand, grandiosity. What we see around the spiritual

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realm, and when I see that, I'm just sort of

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like, when I see that and people ask me about

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it, I'm just like, you know, if there's any kind

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of that energy, for me personally, my advice

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is like go the other way. Yeah, one thing that

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I was hearing, just it's interesting, now it's

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coming back up, and it's probably, I heard it

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because of what we were about to talk about,

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but earlier I was hearing, you know, it's funny,

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that if anybody is ever telling you what to do

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you don't have to trust them like you don't have

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to go with what they're saying because no one

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knows no one knows for sure okay we all have

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these experiences we've only ever actually experienced

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our own nervous systems so it's really hard to

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say this is the way it is right and it's and

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and even if we say this is the way it is thing

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realities and the dimensions are shifting every

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millisecond or so it could be different like

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that so it's like how can how can we say how

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any one thing is i don't know that can make you

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crazy get it back to the akashic records right

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so yeah you know i do readings all day with people

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and it doesn't always go this way, but some people

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really want to know. I'll just give an example.

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It's really common. What's going to happen with

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this relationship? That kind of thing is a super

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common question. I know. I've asked you that.

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Yeah. Right. And one thing that I'm really careful

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to say is around the caustic field is like, hey,

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just to be really, really clear, this is not

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fortune telling. And in fact, I don't really

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know what a fortune teller is. And I say that

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kind of, but I don't... I don't know what that

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is and I'm not gonna diss it so much but from

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the way I see the universe it's like I'm gonna

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stay away from that and so for me I'll just share

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like this like what I see and I don't think this

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is reality this is just the way my brain presents

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it to me so I can see it visually so I see the

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future in front of us and I see the past behind

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us what I see is a grid of energetic lines like

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little threads all the way up to like huge like

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ship ropes, and these are timelines of possibility,

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and the bigger they are, the more energy is flowing

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through those possibilities. But at any given

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moment, there's an infinite level of threads

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to ropes going out. For me, it's from our hearts

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when I see it, out from the heart, away from

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the person in the future, and this is all the

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possible timelines of anything that could possibly

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happen, and they're all, so the quote, at any

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given moment, you know, in the middle for me

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and this again, this is just a representation

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of the way it's formed for me. In the middle,

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there's like the biggest flow of what is going

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to happen and that's where most of the energy

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is in terms of the trajectory of the person.

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But you know, there's also like these little

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threads on the side and I'm not gonna say this

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is just a make -believe story but like I could

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go outside and jump off the balcony right here,

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you know, I'm in this little hotel and I could

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do that and there's a thread that that possibility

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happens. I'm not going to do that. There's no

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energy there, but there's a tiniest thread where

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that's possible. Yes. You know, right? There's

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every other possible infinite outcome that could

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happen. And so when people say like, okay, what's

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going to happen with this person, with my partner,

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you know, whatever, I'm like, okay, right now

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in this snapshot, I'm willing to share that this

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is the energy that I see through you right now.

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And then from there, I can sort of say like,

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Is there one main thread? Are there a number

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of main threads that are all supposed, you know,

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I'll go that far and then beyond that I'm like,

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okay. It's, you know, you're okay. Everything's

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happening as it needs to happen. And it's frustrating

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too when someone would, I mean, I know I've asked

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you that question, but that's sort of like, like

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we were saying when you can't answer it for yourself

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and you need help and then to. So yeah, that

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is understandably a common question, but unfortunately

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for us as Akashic readers, that is the most basic

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question. It just like has nothing to do with

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your soul pretty much unless it's like your twin

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flame or your soulmate or understandably people

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want to know things, but it's almost like if

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you could ask a more dynamic question instead

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of what's going to happen with this relationship,

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it's like Who am I going to be and is this person

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so going to be you know what I mean? It's not

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like it's not the religion yet You know, I also

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really get I'm sure you do too in your own way

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like like people say like, okay I have all these

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questions and they say like, okay What about

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my work and what about money and then what about

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my kids and then what about love and my relationship?

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And then what about my soul path and they're

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like these are you know in their mind like these

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are like oh This is so much. There's all these

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different things and in my mind, you know, I'm

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like, you know We know when they're saying this

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my inner response is like, yeah, this is all

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the same thing. It's all the same question. And

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until people are aligned, they don't see it.

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It's perfect. It's OK. And when we get through

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the session, what they realize is and what comes

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through, 99 % of the time is this. It's always

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the same. And it's simply when we align to our

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truth, When we let go and flow with the confidence

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and relaxation both that we are on the right

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flow And we surrender to the universe in the

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pull of our souls path Then all of that just

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takes care of itself You know the partner comes

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in or the partner realigns that you already have

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or whatever version of that is your karma when

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we're actually true aligned with our truth and

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That's when the abundance comes in and that's

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when the relationship with your kids miraculously

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shifts and that's when, you know, et cetera,

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et cetera. And, you know, when we're in line,

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it all happens. And I've seen that happen with

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myself, you know, even early, early, early on

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when I was still like learning to believe, like

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a couple of years before you and I met, I was,

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you know, doing my spiritual work and I integrated

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a degree of like deep self responsibility. There's

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a prayer from the book, The Course of Miracles.

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Oh, yes prayer called the responsibility prayer,

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which simply one piece of it says like Anything

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that appears to happen to me. I receive exactly

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as I have asked Anything or maybe it's everything

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but it's you know, either way yeah that appears

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to happen to me that appears to happen to me

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I receive exactly as I have asked and so I've

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been meditating on that for a while and then

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I was able to like metabolize that and say, okay,

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wow, I can't blame anybody. Oh, you know, this

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person, this person in my past that did all of

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these quote, did all these things to me, I have

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to take responsibility for all of that. Oh, etc.

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And so I went through a morning meditation where

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I was like, this was weeks and weeks of this,

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but like, there's one day when I was like, okay,

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I got this and I accept. and I forgive and I

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went into work and at the time my boss and I

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it wasn't bad but we were having sort of these

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little arguments in our meetings that were kind

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of like friction full and our meetings were not

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pleasant and I went into work that day and had

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a meeting with my boss and literally I was watching

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the meeting happen unfold and it was like she

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was a different person and the whole dynamic

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was entirely different and it was smooth and

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flowing and effortless and easy and aligned and

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like it was one day to the next nothing really

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had changed and yet I saw that I had just shifted

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the frame into alignment with acceptance and

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unconsciously the meeting went miraculously different

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and it was like okay that was the immediate confirmation

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that I needed to just like drop in deeper into

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trust yeah process and then I've seen it unfold

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you know so powerfully the more we align the

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more we surrender deeply from our soul and just

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say okay this flow of this life simply is. And

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when I allow that, everything takes care of itself.

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And things, when I do that, and still all of

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us, sometimes it's easier, sometimes it's more

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difficult. But still as we go through this, as

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I surrender deeper and deeper in this way over

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time, my life gets more and more magical, more

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and more aligned, more and more expansive. The

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goodness of my life, the magic of my life. is

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unfathomable to who I was five years ago, 10

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years ago. Like, looking back five or 10 years,

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there is no way I could have imagined how beautifully

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magical my life is right now. It's like, makes

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me smile so deeply and be like, oh my goodness.

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So it's so funny though, like of course we always

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have plans. We have to make plans. We have to

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have goals and plans and we think we know what

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we're doing, right? And we think we know what

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we want, but as you go. things shift and change

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and you just slowly along the way you're like

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wait a minute this is great this is actually

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great i didn't know i wanted this but cool well

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exactly you know there's a common sort of new

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age thing right any prayer you have is actually

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too small i'm sure you've heard some version

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of that sounds like internet memes right anytime

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you have a specific prayer like anything you

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can define about what's possible for yourself

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is vastly smaller than what the universe can

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actually have in store for you. And that's been

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a million percent true in my life, like a million

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percent. Looking back, I didn't know it, but

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the life I was living, and I was, so back before

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I was doing this, let's say 10 years ago, whatever,

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I was a corporate executive. I was flying around

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with expense accounts and occasionally being

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picked up by the largest corporations in America,

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sitting out there like private jet to take me

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to a their boardroom kind of negotiations, hundreds

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of millions of dollar kind of deals and stuff

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like that, expensive accounts, whatever, living

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that lifestyle, miserable AF, dead inside, bored

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beyond tears, you know, and even then like the,

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you know, I was making like money hand over fist

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kind of, but even then there was a flow of money

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that I wasn't being nourished by it. I was sort

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of being, I'm being strangled by it in a certain

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way. and I wasn't happy, my relationship wasn't

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great, et cetera, et cetera. So this is coming

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from a person that, from a certain perspective,

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quote, had it all. And that's all relative. There

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are people that had a lot more than me, but I

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was sort of on that path of like. you know, top

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level affluence in America, whatever, whatever

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the heck that means. And I was dead inside in

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a lot of ways. I was not fully, you know, there's

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a spark that was and I had been doing spiritual

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work for decades before that. And this was a

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period of time when I had sort of like turned

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my back on it and gone into materialism and sort

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of rationalism and all this. And when I look

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back on my, you know, compared to my life right

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now, where from that perspective, you know, I've

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given Most of that up all of that up and just

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said I'm gonna look at flow and trust and do

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the work that I know is my soul's purpose which

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is for me to Help align and awaken and support

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people's transition into these more expansive

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states of consciousness and alignment Like I'm

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personally so much more wealthy now in abundance

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and friendships and experiences and opportunities

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in joy in spark in unexpected roots opening up

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and serendipity and etc. Like the events I have

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right now is so vast and I'm so stoked every

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single day to be alive in ways that I didn't

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even know were possible. Yeah oh my gosh I'm

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so glad to hear that. I was just imagining like

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you taking a flight to go somewhere now with

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your intentions and Whatever monies are funding

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that the energy behind it is completely different

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like I was I was seeing you being flown by these

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other corporations and it's like the money that

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paid for that was a different frequency and It

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was dense it was transactional Very and you know,

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and there's for me, you know with my with me

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go there's always you're in these room with all

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these, you know 90 % men in suits and there's

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always this sort of, this perspective of failure

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and fear around the whole, from everyone. There's

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always a winner and a loser. This is it. There's

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always a winner and a loser. And so there's always,

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you know, and there's always a better position

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and there's always expectations of growth and

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this and that. There's a heaviness, there's a

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density. And then, you know, and then we go out

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and we, you know, quote, live it up afterwards.

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There's always the expectations. One of the parties

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was always buying dinner and dinner was always

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trying to like be the impressive thing so it's

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always the nice restaurant where you get the

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the grand plateau of you know the seafood platter

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to the ceiling and then all the steaks and bourbon

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you want you know and just like you know night

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after night you do this and just like you know

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dessert and then let's have some brandy and let's

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have some cigars and what you know like yeah

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and and for me personally you know some people

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love that it's fun for a hot minute And for me,

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you know, I just be like, I just want to like

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have a salad or have a have a little simple meal

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and like go home or take a walk in the park or

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whatever, you know, like anything but this. Which

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is why, you know, I don't do anymore. But yeah,

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joy, the joy of alignment can be so simple and

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is so powerfully nourishing for us, you know,

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and and we're nourished by the network of connections

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that we have. And so this excludes, for me too,

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now I go around and I teach courses all over

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the country and world around talking to trees.

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That's one of the offerings. And I do that because

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the trees came to me, you know, I'm open as a

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medium and channel, I talk to all kinds of things

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and relate to them. And they're like, okay, you're

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going to start offering this. And I'm like, at

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the time, this was a couple years ago, I was

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like, no, I'm busy doing the other programs.

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They're like, no, no, you're doing this now.

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And, you know, it's like, so like my friends

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now everywhere I go are the trees and plants,

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and then the humans I meet. And then also in

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the spirit world, like, you know, every place

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has its own connections. Of course, we're talking

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about dragons and other other, you know, fey

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and other things. The world is so rich of connection.

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and now going around the world, there's so many

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ways that we can connect and that fills our spirit,

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expands our experience, fills us with so much

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light and love and connection that then that

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snowballs into more connection and more love

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and more beauty. Yes, absolutely. And the traveling

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around the world, I feel like it's bringing me

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back to like the alchemist. It's interesting.

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It's like you think you have to make this and

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you have to have your, what's it called? Not

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homage, it's like your, the transition into manhood

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and finding wisdom and all those things. And

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it's like, he never had to leave. He was always

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there. But he had to travel to. realize you've

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got that. So it's like that. Early on, early,

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early, early on, I met this beautiful man. I

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was living in Aspen, Colorado, up in the mountains

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of Colorado, and there was this man who made

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drums and rattles, Native American rawhide drums

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and rattles, which I really wanted to learn.

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And so I spent some time with him and he agreed

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to mentor me. He took me out to his cabin out

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in the woods and Long story short, I realized

00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:20.859
afterwards that he was my first teacher of non

00:23:20.859 --> 00:23:23.960
-dual transmission, of non -dual awareness. So

00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.519
he was using this method of craftsmanship to

00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.180
transmit non -dual unity consciousness across

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all things. Wow. And so I had a summer with him.

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with his teachings and transmissions and I knew

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that he changed my life but at the time I didn't

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have the words until years later for what that

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was and then at the time I was still thinking

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I was going to be a famous scientist and I was

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traveling the world being a biologist and so

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I told him oh I'm going to Africa to do the study

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and he specifically just like you said he wrote

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me a postcard and it was like you don't need

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to go to Africa everything you need is right

00:24:01.369 --> 00:24:03.759
here you know etc exactly what you just said

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he's literally a postcard that gave me that message

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you have everything you need right where you

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are basically yeah and i was young and arrogant

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and i wrote him back sort of a a testy arrogant

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young man letter of like you know i'm finding

00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.660
my future and thanks but whatever you know kind

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of thing and like that was the last i ever heard

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from him and years later i you know as i awakened

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into and realized who he was that he was the

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first Human to transmit this non -dual state

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to me and realize how precious what a beautiful

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teacher. He was for me I looked up and he'd already

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passed away. Oh He still know you can still talk

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We connect, you know and we connect and but it's

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beautiful because I literally received that postcard

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from my teacher and it was you know He was a

00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.660
hundred percent right like I didn't need to go

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anywhere But just as you said I needed to travel

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the world to be able to see that I didn't need

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to go anywhere Yeah you know I have a daughter

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who's 17 and for just she just told me she wanted

00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:04.019
to live with her mom and so I have some freedom

00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:08.119
again but there was you know 16 years of of a

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world where I wasn't able to travel for more

00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:13.240
than two days yeah um and so for like 16 years

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of my expansion and my my spiritual growth etc

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I was in this world where I was I was very much

00:25:20.299 --> 00:25:22.599
through circumstance that I created in the universe

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very much constrained to The Bay area or very

00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:30.859
quick trips to local, you know, local areas around

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and. For years, I was like fighting against that.

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And then I just surrendered that, okay, it's

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.640
fine. Everything is here. And then the joke is

00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.019
as soon as I surrendered into that, things shifted

00:25:42.019 --> 00:25:45.079
where now I'm like, right now I'm in South America

00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.039
and I've been all over the world again. When

00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.660
we surrender our troubles, it is true that they

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open up and disappear in very unexpected ways,

00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.099
for better or worse. I totally understand what

00:25:57.099 --> 00:26:00.380
you're saying. Like having... your life by design

00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:02.559
and not being able to travel and not having freedom.

00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.539
Similarly, I had my son when I was young, I was

00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:09.759
17 when I had him and I really didn't start traveling

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:14.619
until I guess like the past five years is the

00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:17.640
most I've ever traveled in my life. And I'm not

00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:23.059
gonna stop. It's only going up from here. But

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I did enroll in a workshop. It's five weeks long

00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:33.500
in Puerto Rico to learn how to mix and build

00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:36.720
Cobb But this structure that we're gonna be working

00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.000
on does not have any framing yeah, so I'll have

00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.819
to probably learn a little bit more about how

00:26:42.819 --> 00:26:45.980
to incorporate the framing because That's I would

00:26:45.980 --> 00:26:49.319
say pretty important. So but at least mixing

00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.140
it and understanding like, you know how to find

00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:56.779
land where do you know how to source the stuff,

00:26:57.339 --> 00:27:00.660
what parts to mix and how much and all of that.

00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:03.319
That'll be really awesome. And my intention with

00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:09.039
that is to learn how to be free anywhere because

00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.299
Cobb is all over the world. You know, you can

00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:14.819
find many different places, different environments

00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:17.579
that support that. And it's most of the houses

00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:20.240
here where I'm currently in Peru. Most of the

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:24.539
houses are a version of that. Yeah. you know

00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:28.339
mud construction it was some timber framing some

00:27:28.339 --> 00:27:30.160
simple timber framing from like you know the

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.480
local trees but what came to me right as you

00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.059
were saying starting to what came to me right

00:27:35.059 --> 00:27:36.900
was you were talking about your hands in the

00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:41.700
mud for five weeks six weeks was you know actually

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:44.380
spiritually but what flashed to me was like oh

00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:45.859
you know you mentioned you have like earth dragon

00:27:45.859 --> 00:27:49.480
energy you're going to be hands in the mud yes

00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.319
literally every day whatever for a week at a

00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.779
time like deeply connecting with the spirits

00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:57.579
and the energies of that place and creating with

00:27:57.579 --> 00:27:59.779
that and manifesting with that and that actually

00:27:59.779 --> 00:28:02.119
alone is going to be the magic that you don't

00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.099
even know you need oh yes absolutely i actually

00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:07.240
already know that and i don't mean to sound like

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.599
an asshole no no no no of course you know just

00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.140
like I saw it and I was like, that's what I need

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:15.960
to do. I know that also. I was, I knew about

00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.079
the workshop before I went to my most recent

00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.740
retreat, but while I was at the retreat, we pulled

00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:23.220
cards before, you know, for the each night in

00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:26.000
the ceremony. One night I pulled a card for the

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:31.349
blue mud dauber. And the card, it says independence.

00:28:31.650 --> 00:28:34.869
And it's the ability to go anywhere and make

00:28:34.869 --> 00:28:38.950
a home anywhere, even from like other nests and

00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:42.289
the general propensity to eliminate threats,

00:28:42.589 --> 00:28:45.069
which is beneficial to any ecosystem. And I was

00:28:45.069 --> 00:28:49.450
like, okay, we're doing this. But yeah, so then

00:28:49.450 --> 00:28:53.529
when I received that in the ceremony, I was like,

00:28:53.609 --> 00:28:56.160
this I have to do. I have to do it. And I know

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.720
it sounds crazy, like I have an eight year old

00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.400
and I have a 19 year old son and I'm trying to

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.680
have him and his girlfriend make sure that, you

00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.500
know, they can manage the household for five

00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:08.259
weeks and I'm going to pay them. But I think

00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:10.799
it's going to be good life experience to, you

00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.279
know, just to learn how to live without me. Maybe

00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.960
he'll appreciate me more when I return. But but

00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.099
I think it's really important. And what I would

00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:26.549
like to say. To anyone who feels a little bit

00:29:26.549 --> 00:29:28.589
trapped by the life that they've built for themselves

00:29:28.589 --> 00:29:30.650
You're not you're not trapped and you can't you

00:29:30.650 --> 00:29:33.309
do have freedom and and if you find Something

00:29:33.309 --> 00:29:35.630
that will bring you joy and you feel that it's

00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:38.109
important for you to learn and you just feel

00:29:38.109 --> 00:29:40.730
in your gut That it's aligned with your future.

00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:45.890
I encourage you to send it Love that so much,

00:29:46.009 --> 00:29:48.109
you know, one of the things to you know, really

00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:51.430
often I get people coming to me for sessions

00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:53.509
and there's different people who are different

00:29:53.509 --> 00:29:55.309
places on the path but there's this one category

00:29:55.309 --> 00:29:57.609
of people that come to me for sessions and they

00:29:57.609 --> 00:29:58.970
sort of come up and they're a little uncertain

00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:00.930
like why they booked the session they're even

00:30:00.930 --> 00:30:03.130
maybe a little embarrassed they booked this session

00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:05.670
with me but they're sort of like tentative you

00:30:05.670 --> 00:30:07.950
know and there's some version of the thing like

00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.470
like they'll think like well you'll think i'm

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:13.609
crazy but i kind of know i'm meant to do this

00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.019
There's some version of that, right? You've heard

00:30:17.019 --> 00:30:19.039
this version of that too, right? And it happens,

00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:22.039
I'm gonna say like 20 % of people that book with

00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.839
me, they say something like, hey, you might think

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.980
I'm crazy or silly or like, you might think this

00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:29.019
is a weird fantasy or what, I'm not really sure

00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:33.119
if I can really do this, but, and then they say

00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.119
something that's so true, so pure, so aligned,

00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.500
so beautiful that it's inexplicably 100 % what

00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:43.660
they need to be doing. and they know it, they

00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:46.940
just need permission. Yeah, no, I do that. And

00:30:46.940 --> 00:30:49.539
I always say like, oh my goodness, that's wonderful,

00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.680
and they go into their angels and spirit guides

00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.200
and antesters and Akashic records and just affirm,

00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.869
yeah, this is possible for you, you know. doesn't

00:30:59.869 --> 00:31:02.049
mean that every like pipe dream that you see

00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:03.930
like if it's some pipe dream that you see like

00:31:03.930 --> 00:31:05.730
you're watching tv and you're like oh I want

00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:07.670
the mega yacht and go party in the caribbean

00:31:07.670 --> 00:31:10.529
I don't know that's like some some thought but

00:31:10.529 --> 00:31:13.029
that's different from like there's a soul yearning

00:31:13.029 --> 00:31:15.490
of like that something unfolds from your soul

00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:17.690
and gives you a vision of a beautiful you know

00:31:17.690 --> 00:31:21.369
future possibility for you that's not it's it's

00:31:21.369 --> 00:31:24.509
actually your soul's path and you know as you

00:31:24.509 --> 00:31:27.579
just said like encouraging people to send it

00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:31.359
in all ways is the thing. And as we send it,

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.880
even if it's not like where we end up, that allows

00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.579
us to have the momentum to then flip over and

00:31:36.579 --> 00:31:38.500
go exactly where we need to go. And what happens

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:41.859
is so magical. Back to Monica. You'll take a

00:31:41.859 --> 00:31:44.380
little piece from everywhere you go and it'll

00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:49.359
all collectively make sense. So you're going

00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.200
to come back a different woman in a few weeks.

00:31:51.579 --> 00:31:54.440
Can you lead for that pretty soon? It'll be...

00:31:55.479 --> 00:31:59.359
It's January 17th through February 22nd, but

00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.500
I think I'm gonna stay a couple days after that

00:32:01.500 --> 00:32:05.420
and just have fun. Yeah, I've never been to Puerto

00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:09.160
Rico, so that'll be cool. Yeah, I have not been

00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.940
to those lands. You know, and one thing I love

00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.500
about travel from this spiritual perspective

00:32:14.500 --> 00:32:17.920
is like I love to say like we're pollinators,

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.660
which is a form of saying grid work, right? We're

00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:24.279
called to certain places. to receive and also

00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.880
offer energy for and to and with the land and

00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.500
environment there. We're all called in different

00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:36.619
ways. Our human bodies are such energetic powerhouses

00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.460
of transformation. We're here on earth in the

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:43.599
most positive way to use our energetic awareness

00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.859
and spiritual gifts of connection and transformation

00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:50.579
and alchemy. And we do this with the land and

00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:52.920
the spirits and the energies there. And we're

00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.940
meant to cruise around the way we do to, you

00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:57.519
know, from this sort of Western perspective,

00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.119
perform this service of energy transfer. But

00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.180
it's simply, you know, it's like a bee goes around

00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:07.519
to all the flowers in a field and collects the

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.200
nectar and pollinates the flowers and allows

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.819
that field and the flowers to regrow. It's as

00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:14.220
simple as that. Like, that's part of what humans

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:18.390
are here for. As you were talking, I just recalled,

00:33:18.789 --> 00:33:21.390
this must've been about six or seven years ago.

00:33:22.509 --> 00:33:25.450
But I remember I was outside one night with my

00:33:25.450 --> 00:33:28.069
waspend, that's the term I like to use instead

00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:30.910
of ex -husband, yeah, waspend. And I was looking

00:33:30.910 --> 00:33:33.670
up at the stars and I was, something came to

00:33:33.670 --> 00:33:35.390
me because I always wanted to travel. I wanted

00:33:35.390 --> 00:33:37.410
to go to Yellowstone, I still haven't been. I

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:39.029
know I'm going to, I'm gonna travel everywhere

00:33:39.029 --> 00:33:41.990
I want to, so I'm not worried. But back then,

00:33:42.349 --> 00:33:44.869
I remember thinking like, we never took vacations.

00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:46.690
We didn't have a honeymoon. We didn't do anything

00:33:46.690 --> 00:33:48.769
because he had a business and it was always all

00:33:48.769 --> 00:33:51.849
about the business. And we definitely didn't

00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:53.750
travel anywhere for more than two days. And if

00:33:53.750 --> 00:33:55.910
we did, I had to pack everything and then wash

00:33:55.910 --> 00:34:00.650
everything. So it wasn't really fun. Right. So

00:34:00.650 --> 00:34:02.250
I remember one night looking up at the stars

00:34:02.250 --> 00:34:05.630
and I said, it's OK if we don't travel because

00:34:05.630 --> 00:34:08.530
we have to work and it's really important. And,

00:34:08.630 --> 00:34:11.150
you know, when we die. I think that we'll just

00:34:11.150 --> 00:34:13.989
be able to bloop wherever we want. We'll just

00:34:13.989 --> 00:34:15.869
be able to close our eyes and be like bloop and

00:34:15.869 --> 00:34:18.010
we'll be anywhere we want and I'll see everything

00:34:18.010 --> 00:34:21.869
then. And that is the saddest fucking thing I've

00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:25.309
ever heard. But I was really trying to make myself

00:34:25.309 --> 00:34:28.710
feel better. And I remember saying that and I

00:34:28.710 --> 00:34:30.489
really believed it. And I was like, it's that

00:34:30.489 --> 00:34:33.110
was my way of trying to make it okay. It's okay

00:34:33.110 --> 00:34:35.869
if I don't get to travel in this life. I'll do

00:34:35.869 --> 00:34:39.440
it when I die. That's what? That is not what

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.900
we're supposed to do, you know It's crazy to

00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:45.239
me now to think about it's very funny and like

00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.360
for some people maybe listen to this too. It's

00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.579
hard to say like There's some people that maybe

00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:51.820
it's not travel, you know for some people maybe

00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:53.559
it's an experience back home Maybe it's a new

00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.920
hobby or a new skill or a new way of living where

00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.500
you are You know, it's like it's about our souls

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:00.280
expression for some of us it is travel for some

00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.639
of us It might again be you know again a new

00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.989
a new expression of living in your maybe you're

00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:08.869
already in your place and you're fully know like

00:35:08.869 --> 00:35:12.250
this is my place and you know and and the adjustment

00:35:12.250 --> 00:35:15.190
is literally just like getting out in nature

00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:17.489
more and being more aligned with your life wherever

00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:19.369
it is like it can look differently for all of

00:35:19.369 --> 00:35:24.969
us um but following that version of yeah there's

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:27.510
a loud like siren outside oh i can't hear it

00:35:27.510 --> 00:35:31.750
okay perfect um following that version of like

00:35:31.750 --> 00:35:34.190
okay you'll think i'm crazy but really i know

00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:37.920
my life should be like this yes that is the true

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.699
thing yes yes whatever that looks like and for

00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:43.599
many of us it is cruising around and experiencing

00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.920
different energies and integrating that and alchemizing

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.380
that um in different ways but yeah yeah it's

00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:55.010
funny when you say i say that a lot uh you might

00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:56.989
think I'm crazy or this is gonna sound crazy

00:35:56.989 --> 00:35:59.130
before I say something crazy because I'm just

00:35:59.130 --> 00:36:00.670
trying to prepare people you know I'm just trying

00:36:00.670 --> 00:36:03.550
to be nice but it's funny you say that because

00:36:03.550 --> 00:36:07.210
I remember one time I went to see my local shaman

00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:10.380
the first time I went to see her I was trying

00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:13.619
to describe to her how I was seeing different

00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:17.019
frequencies and that I saw someone's face change.

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:20.920
And I was like, I swear I'm not crazy, but I

00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.960
can see like these black spots swirled around

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.239
everywhere and like bright flashes. And she's

00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.369
like. yeah i'm a shaman like you don't have to

00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:32.489
say no like i believe you okay you don't have

00:36:32.489 --> 00:36:34.869
to say anything like you have this gift but that

00:36:34.869 --> 00:36:37.550
was before i knew okay so when i was trying to

00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:40.590
speak and say i something might be wrong you

00:36:40.590 --> 00:36:43.710
might think i'm crazy i feel crazy this is what's

00:36:43.710 --> 00:36:48.190
going on and she was just like i'm a shaman i

00:36:48.190 --> 00:36:51.349
got you like we see this no for sure and as we

00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:56.239
expand out we can just accept things yeah without

00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.420
taking it for granted but we you know so now

00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:00.860
you know people talk about like you know entities

00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:02.699
and spirits and all kinds of things and like

00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:05.079
yeah no big deal matter of fact you know and

00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.079
people yes do you think possibly that there's

00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.719
something impacting me in this yeah absolutely

00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.300
sure yeah there's nothing at this point i mean

00:37:13.300 --> 00:37:17.480
9 .9 there's no version of this of you know spiritual

00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.460
experiences that when we do these readings that

00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:23.000
we do like we haven't heard people talk about

00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:26.449
There's nothing new under the sun. There probably

00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:31.329
is some version, but people are experiencing

00:37:31.329 --> 00:37:34.130
things all the time every day, and we're taught

00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:36.510
not to trust what we already know to be true.

00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:39.929
It's so wild. The veil that's been thrown over

00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:42.789
us by our cultural conditioning is so powerful

00:37:42.789 --> 00:37:46.550
that we're taught not to trust the natural energetic

00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:48.510
connections of our bodies and energy fields.

00:37:48.650 --> 00:37:51.980
It's so wild. And to always be seeking something

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.099
else to look at or watch or, you know, it's like

00:37:55.099 --> 00:37:58.699
numbing out with the TV and all the things. So

00:37:58.699 --> 00:38:04.159
easy. Initially, I mean, my mediumship is actually

00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.300
it's not intermittent. I was going to say it's

00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.820
intermittent. It's not. But things are always

00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:11.880
elevated by astrological transits and different

00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:13.980
things. So sometimes it's heightened. Sometimes

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:17.079
it's could be could be whatever I have going

00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.829
on. Who knows? sometimes it's more clear. So

00:38:20.829 --> 00:38:23.710
I don't call myself a medium, though I am a medium,

00:38:23.710 --> 00:38:26.929
you know. I would say everyone's a medium, right?

00:38:26.969 --> 00:38:29.489
There's nothing special to whatever degree. We

00:38:29.489 --> 00:38:32.809
all are that. And we can just choose what gifts

00:38:32.809 --> 00:38:35.130
we want to, with our path, like, bring forward.

00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:38.210
Yes. Well, there's something to that, though.

00:38:38.449 --> 00:38:43.809
I've heard that every psychic is a medium, but

00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:48.409
not... Wait. Every medium is psychic. But not

00:38:48.409 --> 00:38:51.489
every psychic is medium, is what I've heard.

00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:57.789
Yeah. So what I'm saying is that energetically,

00:38:58.130 --> 00:39:02.489
humans are made to receive. Yeah. Energetically,

00:39:02.809 --> 00:39:05.530
humans, our energy bodies and systems are 100

00:39:05.530 --> 00:39:08.469
% connected to all things in the universe. And

00:39:08.469 --> 00:39:11.190
so we are giving and receiving energies and frequencies

00:39:11.190 --> 00:39:16.599
continuously, all of us all the time. energetically,

00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:20.340
all of us have that. And just the choice of like,

00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.940
yeah, we choose, you know, like there are some

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:25.920
people on the shamanic path, for example, Jessica,

00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.360
you're talking about that, that want to really

00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.639
be deeply involved with the earth spirits and,

00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.920
you know, certain places of energies and even

00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.619
like plant medicines in a very specific way.

00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:39.110
Amazing beautiful and go really really deep in

00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:41.710
that and those people might not in this fantasy

00:39:41.710 --> 00:39:44.489
I'm making up, you know be connected to Astral

00:39:44.489 --> 00:39:46.710
realms and angels in the way that I am and there's

00:39:46.710 --> 00:39:48.769
no good or bad For either of those both of those

00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:50.409
are needed and they're just different ways of

00:39:50.409 --> 00:39:53.050
interacting with the universe Yes, but but we

00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:55.750
all have the abilities to choose either of that

00:39:55.750 --> 00:39:57.449
and to go down the path we just need to train

00:39:57.449 --> 00:40:01.489
ourselves and Open up and you know uncondition.

00:40:01.889 --> 00:40:05.269
Yeah the beliefs that we're not that It's it's

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:07.650
so interesting as we were just talking I was

00:40:07.650 --> 00:40:10.710
imagining the different times in my life where

00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:14.769
I was pretty certain that I did See in sense

00:40:14.769 --> 00:40:17.570
spirit around me, but this was before I had my

00:40:17.570 --> 00:40:24.530
awakening Well, it was just after I had my son

00:40:24.530 --> 00:40:27.750
he was he was very young maybe less than two

00:40:27.750 --> 00:40:31.150
months old and My parents because I lived with

00:40:31.150 --> 00:40:35.670
them. I was 17 they went away for the weekend

00:40:35.670 --> 00:40:40.670
and I was home alone. And it seemed like whenever

00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:42.489
I was feeding him, because I would be looking

00:40:42.489 --> 00:40:47.170
down at him, my peripheral was the only way I

00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:48.949
was able to see anything else in the room. And

00:40:48.949 --> 00:40:52.750
I kept seeing. Somebody walking around standing

00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:55.230
in the corner different like I kept seeing it

00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:57.630
and I started to get scared And then I was like

00:40:57.630 --> 00:41:00.190
this is silly like you're a parent now like you

00:41:00.190 --> 00:41:03.489
can't be afraid of ghosts like get you know So

00:41:03.489 --> 00:41:06.789
I said to my mom I'm like mom I'm a little bit

00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:09.269
scared because you know, I called her I'm a little

00:41:09.269 --> 00:41:12.110
bit scared. I feel like I can see somebody and

00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:14.530
then anytime I go to look like they're not there

00:41:14.530 --> 00:41:16.789
but like I see them in my peripheral but they're

00:41:16.789 --> 00:41:19.269
not there when I look and she goes oh I think

00:41:19.269 --> 00:41:22.389
I think you're just tired you might be hallucinating

00:41:22.389 --> 00:41:24.369
blah blah like I've never hallucinated in my

00:41:24.369 --> 00:41:27.550
life and I'm not really that tired but okay and

00:41:27.550 --> 00:41:29.769
then I was talking about it later maybe like

00:41:29.769 --> 00:41:33.150
a week later at my grandmother's house and we

00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:34.730
were having like a little family get together

00:41:34.730 --> 00:41:38.269
and I had an uncle who was diagnosed schizophrenic

00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:43.139
And I was describing how I was certain that I

00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:45.820
was seeing someone in the room with us, but anytime

00:41:45.820 --> 00:41:49.400
that I looked with my eyes, they were gone. And

00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.599
that I was thinking about it. And I think that

00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.800
when you look something straight on, your brain

00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.400
filters it out. But if it's in your peripheral,

00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.119
you're actually seeing it. So I made this statement

00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.719
and I said, you know, I think that there are

00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.739
things around us all the time, but we just can't

00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:10.960
see it. Like our brains filter it out, but some

00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.760
people can see it But I think it's all around

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.840
us all the time and I think that it's real and

00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.340
he was like Yes, I agree with you. I agree with

00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:22.619
you. But at the time I was like, well, yeah You

00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.260
would agree with me because you're talking about

00:42:24.260 --> 00:42:27.400
how you can see people He's since passed and

00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.659
I now wish that I was able to talk with him more

00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:34.940
because I think that he was gifted Yeah, no,

00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:38.949
I mean so my dad was a psychiatrist And he's

00:42:38.949 --> 00:42:43.070
passed away also with dementia a few years ago,

00:42:43.590 --> 00:42:48.309
but early on in his career, this was the seventies

00:42:48.309 --> 00:42:52.150
and all kinds of things were flowing through

00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:55.489
the culture at that time. So he wrote like in

00:42:55.489 --> 00:42:59.530
his residency, like academic papers about psychiatric

00:42:59.530 --> 00:43:01.869
perspectives on like, for example, people who

00:43:01.869 --> 00:43:05.190
are believed that they were abducted by UFOs.

00:43:05.929 --> 00:43:08.469
And he did a whole study where he interviewed,

00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:10.590
I don't know, dozens, tons of people who had

00:43:10.590 --> 00:43:12.349
been abducted, who were certain they had been

00:43:12.349 --> 00:43:14.969
inducted. And he said a few things in that paper.

00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:17.690
I read that recently after he passed away. I

00:43:17.690 --> 00:43:20.110
read sort of all of his papers after he passed

00:43:20.110 --> 00:43:23.929
away. And I was blown away by like his awareness

00:43:23.929 --> 00:43:27.030
and also then how he needed to, as a young psychiatrist,

00:43:27.070 --> 00:43:30.449
as a young doctor, academic, put it into the

00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:32.349
framework of society to make it acceptable. So

00:43:32.349 --> 00:43:35.860
he said in the paper, he said like, there is

00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:38.480
no psychiatric reason that I don't, he's like,

00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:41.500
I fully believe these people have the experiences

00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:47.780
they had. He's like, he's like, you know, I can't

00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:51.239
discount it from any like medical reason that

00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.679
they're not fully conscious and had the experiences

00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.420
they had. And simultaneously, he had to say,

00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:02.280
I also can't, he says something like, I can't,

00:44:02.510 --> 00:44:04.989
omit the possibility that these people are all

00:44:04.989 --> 00:44:10.409
psychotic. Yeah, yes. I know this is real and

00:44:10.409 --> 00:44:14.110
also I have to make them be have some, you know,

00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:17.289
some deviation from normality. And then also

00:44:17.289 --> 00:44:20.349
he did a whole study on meditation and kind of

00:44:20.349 --> 00:44:23.090
the same thing. He's like, these people were

00:44:23.090 --> 00:44:25.849
massively supported and helped and nourished

00:44:25.849 --> 00:44:30.090
by this meditation practice. And also he sort

00:44:30.090 --> 00:44:32.840
of then had to make some sort of dismissive comments

00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.519
around like we can't also like dismiss this as

00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.460
if it's not like a massive psychosis of these

00:44:39.460 --> 00:44:42.739
people. Yes. Yes. Like psychiatry has to sort

00:44:42.739 --> 00:44:45.219
of anything that's quote not normal has to vilify

00:44:45.219 --> 00:44:48.340
in some way. Yes. It's so wild. They have to

00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:55.340
cover it with a blanket. Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's

00:44:55.340 --> 00:44:58.239
a powerful story from Ram Dass. that when he

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.099
came back from India, and I forget the first

00:45:00.099 --> 00:45:02.500
or second time, but you know, he had been sitting

00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:04.400
with all these psychedelics in the U .S. at Harvard

00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.260
and then went to India and had met this guru

00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.719
and had these really intense spiritual experiences.

00:45:10.699 --> 00:45:13.340
He came back from one of these trips where he's

00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:15.260
wearing a dress, you know, wearing this Indian

00:45:15.260 --> 00:45:17.719
costume and has a huge beard and like walks around

00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.179
barefoot, you know, and he was sort of a upper

00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:24.739
middle class Jewish good boy from New England.

00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.420
uh this you know went to two country clubs it

00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:31.400
was very proper before this and then his brother

00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.400
was in a mental was being hospitalized in a mental

00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.960
institution and he goes to see his brother and

00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.659
he was hospitalized and you know institutionalized

00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:42.139
his brother was like hey you know what i know

00:45:42.139 --> 00:45:46.239
i'm jesus i know i have the answers And Ramana

00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.800
says like, oh, I also know I'm God, but I also

00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.300
know that you're God too. But Ramana was able

00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:56.239
to get away from this and come back as a spiritual

00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.639
teacher. And his brother, with many of the same

00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.360
realizations, then got stuck in society and have

00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.659
himself be institutionalized. And then they're

00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:06.940
there saying the same visions of reality, but

00:46:06.940 --> 00:46:09.260
it was different perspectives. And one is free

00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:11.340
and revered. And I'm talking about him now. And

00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:13.440
the other one is stuck in a mental hospital.

00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.980
crazy and being wise Right are such a sliver

00:46:18.980 --> 00:46:21.320
of closeness with each other is the point like

00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.599
with your uncle with my father's visions with

00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.980
my story like They say there's some days. I'm

00:46:27.980 --> 00:46:29.460
sure you're the same when I'm doing these readings

00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:31.159
and I talked to my sister a lot She's also very

00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.539
awakened and we kind of laugh sometimes and she's

00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:35.539
on her own path of like of like readings and

00:46:35.539 --> 00:46:38.119
things too and we're like you know, we whisper

00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.260
to each other to like Do you think maybe we're

00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:42.639
just both completely insane and this is all just

00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:49.940
crazy? No, no. I've heard I've heard the saying

00:46:49.940 --> 00:46:53.880
that often being crazy is just being right too

00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:58.760
early. Yeah, I think that that is totally the

00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.719
case, especially like when I had my initial awakening,

00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.539
I was talking with my family members. Eventually,

00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.539
I started to get a little bit uncomfortable being

00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:11.860
myself being by myself because I was aware of

00:47:11.860 --> 00:47:14.239
lots of things moving around around me and I

00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.480
was receiving a lot of information but it wasn't

00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.659
welcomed so I did not want it I just wanted to

00:47:19.659 --> 00:47:24.019
be normal so I was like mom dad like I need I

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:26.900
need to hang out with you guys I'm alone too

00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:29.619
much like I can't I can't I don't want to be

00:47:29.619 --> 00:47:32.360
here by myself anymore so I went to their house

00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.420
and stayed over for a couple of nights and I

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:38.750
was talking with them the next morning after

00:47:38.750 --> 00:47:42.949
I stayed there and I was like, Do you guys realize

00:47:42.949 --> 00:47:45.829
that everything we do every day doesn't actually

00:47:45.829 --> 00:47:49.489
matter? And it matters so much more how we feel

00:47:49.489 --> 00:47:53.050
than what we're doing. And if everyone in America

00:47:53.050 --> 00:47:55.570
just didn't pay their mortgage on the first of

00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:58.369
the month, but instead went on vacation, what

00:47:58.369 --> 00:48:00.929
the fuck would they do? And I was asking all

00:48:00.929 --> 00:48:03.090
these questions. I was like, what if we all just

00:48:03.090 --> 00:48:07.110
realized that we are God and nature? And that's

00:48:07.110 --> 00:48:10.050
what's important. How old were you? I was 33.

00:48:10.579 --> 00:48:14.480
I was 33. And my family was saying that they

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.420
thought something was wrong with me. They were

00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:19.579
like, why are you talking like this? You never

00:48:19.579 --> 00:48:22.480
talk like this. You don't talk about God. Like,

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.599
why are you talking like this? You might need

00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.480
to be evaluated. And I was like, but what I'm

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.920
saying is so lovely. Like, what do you mean?

00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.780
It's right, also. First of all, it's right. Second

00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:36.780
of all, it sounds great. Why are you saying I'm

00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:42.579
crazy? Yeah. The societal weight that we have

00:48:42.579 --> 00:48:44.780
in the West, in the US in particular, where both

00:48:44.780 --> 00:48:48.800
of us are, is so strong. But what's beautiful

00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.519
is that this web of awakening is inexplicably

00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.760
happening in all kinds of cultures and all enclaves

00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.179
of society all across the world in ways that

00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:00.480
there's more and more of us that look at each

00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.670
other and know that. the truth of that world

00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:05.769
is not real and that what we're experiencing

00:49:05.769 --> 00:49:07.690
now and these you know this way that we've been

00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:10.429
talking this whole podcast this is what is real

00:49:10.429 --> 00:49:12.769
that you know the world is energetic expansive

00:49:12.769 --> 00:49:14.929
and amazing we're a part of that and we can connect

00:49:14.929 --> 00:49:16.869
with all these realms and beings across the realms

00:49:16.869 --> 00:49:19.550
it's all the things you know this is what's real

00:49:19.550 --> 00:49:22.630
and that you know all of those things that you

00:49:22.630 --> 00:49:25.329
were even speaking to back then yeah no for sure

00:49:25.329 --> 00:49:30.949
that is this limited small path that is not necessary

00:49:30.949 --> 00:49:34.150
anymore But, you know, also the world that like,

00:49:34.230 --> 00:49:35.869
you know, the world that I was born into, the

00:49:35.869 --> 00:49:37.510
world that our parents were born into, it was

00:49:37.510 --> 00:49:40.570
more dense. You know, we absolutely are in this

00:49:40.570 --> 00:49:42.170
period of rapid awakening where particularly

00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:44.369
the last five years, but it's been going on for

00:49:44.369 --> 00:49:47.469
a long time. You know, the expansion of energy,

00:49:47.650 --> 00:49:51.789
the connection, the immediacy of spiritual accessibility.

00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.280
is so powerful and palpable in ways that it just

00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.699
wasn't even a few years before that. So things

00:49:57.699 --> 00:49:59.900
are even changing rapidly where, you know, like

00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:01.960
the young kids, young kids, you know, people

00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.840
being more now and the super young adults now

00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.739
have been raised in a time where they take this

00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:09.780
spiritual individual connection for granted and

00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:12.420
it's so beautiful. compared to the disconnection

00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:14.380
and heaviness and weight that we experienced

00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:16.260
when we were born and also like our parents for

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:19.059
sure and grandparents, you know, so it's amazing.

00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:21.280
Like I can see it in my life, the density of

00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.940
what from when I was born to now, it's miraculously

00:50:23.940 --> 00:50:25.800
different the world that we live in, that I'm

00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.579
living in now compared to when I was born. It's

00:50:28.579 --> 00:50:31.139
a different time. We are absolutely in a new

00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:33.679
age, a new era, a new frequency, a new timeline,

00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.000
whatever language we want to use around that.

00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.909
Like things are probably powerfully different

00:50:39.909 --> 00:50:42.769
now than they were before full stop and that

00:50:42.769 --> 00:50:44.690
is part of this awakening like we are arising

00:50:44.690 --> 00:50:48.590
individually but also collectively together as

00:50:48.590 --> 00:50:50.570
part of the awakening of this world this universe

00:50:50.570 --> 00:50:54.650
this this timeline this energy so it's so much

00:50:54.650 --> 00:50:57.190
fun we're all here for each other and i'm so

00:50:57.190 --> 00:51:00.829
thankful that you're here with your perspective

00:51:00.829 --> 00:51:07.570
and experience and viewpoints to offer compassion,

00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:10.590
kindness, and understanding for someone else

00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:13.250
going through this, and how fortunate all of

00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:16.429
your sitters are to be able to work with you.

00:51:16.590 --> 00:51:19.510
Because I know firsthand, very lucky to be able

00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:22.949
to have you as a resource when I'm stuck on some

00:51:22.949 --> 00:51:26.070
things. And I know you know I'm always available.

00:51:27.010 --> 00:51:29.389
And we love to chat. Sometimes you call me up

00:51:29.389 --> 00:51:31.110
when you're traveling, you have a couple hours

00:51:31.110 --> 00:51:39.429
in the car. Yes. This was such a wonderful conversation.

00:51:39.610 --> 00:51:41.969
Thank you so much for being here with me today.

00:51:42.369 --> 00:51:45.630
And I just, I can't wait till next time. Till

00:51:45.630 --> 00:51:47.289
next time. It's been a joy. Have a great one.

00:51:47.570 --> 00:51:53.530
Thank you so much. As we close out this conversation,

00:51:53.530 --> 00:51:56.789
I want to thank Aaron for his openness and the

00:51:56.789 --> 00:52:01.050
depth that he brought into this space. I really

00:52:01.050 --> 00:52:03.630
appreciate the way we were able to hold complexity

00:52:03.630 --> 00:52:07.690
here. talking about awakening mental health,

00:52:08.130 --> 00:52:11.809
fear, spirits, and perception without needing

00:52:11.809 --> 00:52:17.309
to over oversimplify any of it. These are conversations

00:52:17.309 --> 00:52:21.349
that require discernment, compassion, and context.

00:52:21.869 --> 00:52:24.929
And my hope is that something shared here helped

00:52:24.929 --> 00:52:27.510
you feel more grounded in your own experience.

00:52:28.989 --> 00:52:31.269
If you want to connect with Aaron and his work,

00:52:31.289 --> 00:52:36.750
you can find him at Natural Heart Alchemy. You

00:52:36.750 --> 00:52:42.030
can find me at Hyacinth Healing and digentoconsulting

00:52:42.030 --> 00:52:46.130
.com. Thank you for being here, for listening,

00:52:46.670 --> 00:52:49.010
and for trusting in your own lived experience.

00:52:49.989 --> 00:52:51.590
I'll see you in the next episode.