WEBVTT 00:00:00.430 --> 00:00:04.530 Hello and welcome to another episode of in my 00:00:04.530 --> 00:00:07.910 experience with yours truly Christine Degento 00:00:07.910 --> 00:00:12.050 This podcast is a space where I speak from lived 00:00:12.050 --> 00:00:16.050 experience The moments that shaped me challenged 00:00:16.050 --> 00:00:19.269 me and changed the way that I understand myself 00:00:19.269 --> 00:00:23.350 in the world The awakenings the breakdowns the 00:00:23.350 --> 00:00:25.989 moments that cracked me open asked me to stay 00:00:25.989 --> 00:00:30.100 present be embodied and be honest with myself. 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:34.640 I share my stories not to persuade or define 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.640 truth for anyone else, but to offer perspective, 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.960 to explore the gray areas we don't often have 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.579 language for, to slow things down and listen 00:00:45.579 --> 00:00:48.219 more closely to what's happening beneath the 00:00:48.219 --> 00:00:52.820 surface. You'll hear solo episodes where I reflect 00:00:52.820 --> 00:00:56.359 on my own initiations, spiritual gifts, and the 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.280 systems that try to define me. And conversations 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.280 with guests who have walked strange, beautiful, 00:01:03.820 --> 00:01:06.760 and sometimes painful paths of their own and 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.780 come back with wisdom to share with us. I invite 00:01:10.780 --> 00:01:14.180 you to take what resonates, leave the rest, and 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:18.280 trust your own experience as valid. Thank you 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:30.840 for being here. This is In My Experience. Before 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.340 we jump in, I just want to introduce today's 00:01:33.340 --> 00:01:36.439 guest. I'm sitting down with Aaron French from 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:40.000 Natural Heart Alchemy for a conversation that 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.819 spans over a two -part series. Aaron's been doing 00:01:43.819 --> 00:01:47.700 this work for over 25 years, starting with communication 00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:50.359 with the spirit of his grandfather and it really 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.859 opened into a lifelong relationship with mediumship 00:01:53.859 --> 00:01:57.879 and listening beyond the veil. What I love about 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.939 Aaron is how grounded his work is. He has a background 00:02:01.939 --> 00:02:05.920 in science, but he also works deeply with Taoist 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.219 and Tantric teachings and the Akashic Records. 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.300 The way that he holds all of that together feels 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:18.539 very calm, clear, and human. Through Natural 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:22.020 Heart Alchemy, Aaron offers Akashic Records readings, 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:26.280 ancestral healing, and mediumship sessions. And 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.840 his work tends to bring through really precise 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.860 messages while he is also helping people feel 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:35.960 regulated and supported in their bodies. Not 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:41.259 just expanded, but actually resourced. In this 00:02:41.259 --> 00:02:43.819 conversation, we talk about the Akashic records 00:02:43.819 --> 00:02:47.960 and the Akashic field, mentorship and community, 00:02:48.699 --> 00:02:52.240 shamanism, plant medicine, and even dragons. 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.819 how the myth and symbolism shape our perception 00:02:55.819 --> 00:02:59.860 and memory. I'm really grateful for this conversation 00:02:59.860 --> 00:03:03.479 and for Erin's presence. And I'm excited to share 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.020 our conversation with you. Let's dig into it. 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.780 Welcome our first guest to the show, Erin French. 00:03:10.900 --> 00:03:13.379 Thank you for being here with us. It's such a 00:03:13.379 --> 00:03:17.259 joy. Thank you so much. Thank you. Erin and I 00:03:17.259 --> 00:03:20.180 have known each other for about, I'm coming on 00:03:20.180 --> 00:03:23.639 three years now, I would say. We did the first 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.939 round of the Akashic Holographic Mastery with 00:03:27.939 --> 00:03:32.379 Amy Belair, and that's how we met, right? Yeah. 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.039 Amy's so fantastic, and that was such a deeply 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.340 immersive, almost year, whatever it was, nine 00:03:38.340 --> 00:03:40.400 months, year, whatever it was. It was eight months, 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:42.400 yes. Eight months. It felt like a year for me, 00:03:42.500 --> 00:03:47.740 right? It was so deep. you know, becoming friends 00:03:47.740 --> 00:03:50.400 in that forum where we met a couple times a week, 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.360 some weeks, and then dropped deeply into reading 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.439 other people's Akashic records. Even, you know, 00:03:56.539 --> 00:03:58.240 even then, like, not specifically knowing any, 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.479 quote, details about each other's life, we were, 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:03.699 you know, collectively going into the Akashic 00:04:03.699 --> 00:04:07.319 field together, and therefore, like, just learning 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.650 who you were as a soul. And then only later, 00:04:12.009 --> 00:04:13.849 only later, you know, months later, even a year 00:04:13.849 --> 00:04:16.009 later, like learning more details around like 00:04:16.009 --> 00:04:18.189 the day to day, but like who the fuck cares? 00:04:18.509 --> 00:04:21.470 Pardon my French, because the soul connection 00:04:21.470 --> 00:04:24.350 is there of resonance of like, oh, this person 00:04:24.350 --> 00:04:27.649 is here with me and this journey at this, you 00:04:27.649 --> 00:04:30.610 know, doing this thing that I'm doing. And therefore 00:04:30.610 --> 00:04:35.129 like we're friends. Yes, absolutely. And luckily, 00:04:35.449 --> 00:04:38.370 right, we have being part of that type of group, 00:04:38.709 --> 00:04:40.870 we have access to each other and we would kind 00:04:40.870 --> 00:04:43.170 of bounce things off of each other. I don't know 00:04:43.170 --> 00:04:45.290 that you really needed my guidance much, but 00:04:45.290 --> 00:04:49.709 I sure did ask for yours. We all do though, you 00:04:49.709 --> 00:04:51.569 know, I was just working with somebody here in 00:04:51.569 --> 00:04:56.370 Pisa who is, I'm down in the Sacred Valley in 00:04:56.370 --> 00:04:59.449 Peru. who is sort of a teacher herself and she 00:04:59.449 --> 00:05:01.430 was sort of appalled for wanting some support 00:05:01.430 --> 00:05:04.069 from me and I was like no no no like we all need 00:05:04.069 --> 00:05:05.970 support from each other we all have our blind 00:05:05.970 --> 00:05:09.230 spots that we can't see no matter quote where 00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:11.069 we are on the journey and no matter how much 00:05:11.069 --> 00:05:12.870 support we can offer others no matter how much 00:05:12.870 --> 00:05:14.730 we consider ourselves a leader a teacher a mentor 00:05:14.730 --> 00:05:17.230 or whatever like all that's irrelevant like we 00:05:17.230 --> 00:05:18.829 still have our own work to do and we still have 00:05:18.829 --> 00:05:21.550 our blind spots and our parts of ourselves that 00:05:21.550 --> 00:05:23.410 you know I need you to uncover and not my other 00:05:23.410 --> 00:05:24.910 you know friends and colleagues who can like 00:05:24.910 --> 00:05:27.500 see me with with your fresh eyes and not from 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:31.019 my blind spots. Absolutely. And it's such a, 00:05:31.220 --> 00:05:34.540 it's validating and grounding to seek advice 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:37.120 from other healers. Every healer needs a healer. 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.519 So much so, so much so. Like grounding and validating 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.459 and also, you know, especially with the Akashic 00:05:45.459 --> 00:05:50.980 field, receiving the grace of like, for me, it's 00:05:50.980 --> 00:05:57.040 like a mist of like angelic higher energy, just 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.500 like when I'm any caution just like Flowing floating 00:06:00.500 --> 00:06:02.899 misting all around me and also the other person 00:06:02.899 --> 00:06:04.779 I'm working with and just surrounding me with 00:06:04.779 --> 00:06:09.259 that sort of eternal guidance of all things That 00:06:09.259 --> 00:06:12.500 just naturally puts everything in deep perspective 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:17.060 and naturally Creates an environment where the 00:06:17.060 --> 00:06:19.519 smallness of maybe some situation in my life 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.879 in any given moment Just dissolves naturally 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:27.589 easily spontaneously So much fun. It's magic, 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:31.449 right? The magic that we can access ourselves 00:06:31.449 --> 00:06:35.410 and the beauty of everyone's capability of doing 00:06:35.410 --> 00:06:39.550 that. I think what I valued learning in that 00:06:39.550 --> 00:06:43.699 class so much particularly working with several 00:06:43.699 --> 00:06:45.879 other people in the class having those readings 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.740 and we would give one person a reading, but each 00:06:48.740 --> 00:06:51.540 one of us would take our turn and things would 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:54.540 connect in ways that was extremely validating. 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.860 So that was, you know, if you are out there and 00:06:57.860 --> 00:07:01.259 you have been. wanting to hone your gifts and 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:04.579 tap into the akasha the frequency field the subconscious 00:07:04.579 --> 00:07:07.480 of the collective consciousness to receive any 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.519 kind of information that you would like for your 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.139 soul or your purpose your intentions or guidance 00:07:14.139 --> 00:07:17.839 in any way it happens i mean it's sometimes i 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:20.699 feel like people look at it like oh that's when 00:07:20.699 --> 00:07:23.240 i really need help but it's something that you 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.250 can access at any time for even the smallest 00:07:26.250 --> 00:07:30.089 things and really it's I feel the more connected 00:07:30.089 --> 00:07:34.949 that I have worked to achieve with this field 00:07:34.949 --> 00:07:38.290 the more connected I am every day I don't have 00:07:38.290 --> 00:07:42.209 to sit and tune in and have silence and have 00:07:42.209 --> 00:07:45.350 all of the um have the environment just how I 00:07:45.350 --> 00:07:49.050 need it that insight just comes now so it's absolutely 00:07:49.050 --> 00:07:56.269 yeah it's so fun to to think back at you know, 00:07:56.610 --> 00:08:00.269 myself and all of us, how not nervous per se, 00:08:00.509 --> 00:08:06.730 but like tentative, hesitant to fully speak our 00:08:06.730 --> 00:08:09.670 insights and our truths that we're coming through. 00:08:09.930 --> 00:08:13.269 Thinking back to that, now I just smile with 00:08:13.269 --> 00:08:16.470 like some tenderness of like, yeah, you know. 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:19.610 it's like we didn't from one perspective you 00:08:19.610 --> 00:08:21.449 know we learned some things of course but from 00:08:21.449 --> 00:08:23.610 one perspective like that wasn't what we learned 00:08:23.610 --> 00:08:26.649 wasn't important it was just like deepening into 00:08:26.649 --> 00:08:30.930 the trust with each other of who we were who 00:08:30.930 --> 00:08:36.110 we are in every moment and skipping to today 00:08:36.110 --> 00:08:39.429 like yeah we learned you know i've learned from 00:08:39.429 --> 00:08:42.029 that and other sources like okay here's methods 00:08:42.029 --> 00:08:44.009 quote you know methods and this is how you're 00:08:44.009 --> 00:08:46.659 supposed to connect to the Akashic field and 00:08:46.659 --> 00:08:51.039 etc. Yeah as you say too I don't do any of that 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:54.519 ever these days. I mean I'll make sure that I'm 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.059 grounded and connected and my space is clear 00:08:57.059 --> 00:08:59.000 and those things which are just you know good 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.399 basic energetic energetic hygiene but in terms 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.940 of the specific prayers or sequence of connection 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:09.659 no I just connect and you know in sessions now 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:13.159 too it's kind of funny I say to people kind of 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:18.149 I say it kind of for to make it seem like it's 00:09:18.149 --> 00:09:20.049 something I say like, okay, I'm going to close 00:09:20.049 --> 00:09:23.470 my eyes now and connect up and, and it'll be 00:09:23.470 --> 00:09:25.629 about a minute. I always say like, it'll be about 00:09:25.629 --> 00:09:28.049 a minute before like I start speaking from that 00:09:28.049 --> 00:09:31.129 place. I kind of laugh every time and I might 00:09:31.129 --> 00:09:34.789 stop saying it. I'm not sure because it's always 00:09:34.789 --> 00:09:37.149 like, I don't know, two seconds, five seconds, 00:09:37.629 --> 00:09:39.830 zero seconds. I'm just right, you know. Yes. 00:09:40.139 --> 00:09:41.980 I say a minute because it gives me time just 00:09:41.980 --> 00:09:44.779 to sort of land and integrate myself and like 00:09:44.779 --> 00:09:47.419 give words to what you just received. It's always 00:09:47.419 --> 00:09:50.240 almost always you know just okay within a few 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.360 seconds of like okay it's so clearly coming through 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.519 we're just right there. Here's a question for 00:09:55.519 --> 00:10:00.200 you like do you see the Akashic Field as a library? 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:04.700 No absolutely not yeah I don't not at all. So 00:10:04.700 --> 00:10:07.639 you know still so many people like I'm so deep 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.340 in it now that I'm like you don't know what this 00:10:10.340 --> 00:10:13.159 Akashic field is but um still so you know the 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.320 majority of people I talk to still even people 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.379 who come to me for readings you know even even 00:10:18.379 --> 00:10:20.019 if they pay money and book a session with me 00:10:20.019 --> 00:10:22.340 they still like okay but what is this you know 00:10:22.340 --> 00:10:26.220 and now I mostly see the Akashic field as like 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:31.159 an asteroid belt of density of energy a frequency 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.779 of information right you know it's like okay 00:10:34.970 --> 00:10:37.889 if there's no time because there's not and there's 00:10:37.889 --> 00:10:41.730 in all space and all time is here now and all 00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:43.850 the imprint from every human and every other 00:10:43.850 --> 00:10:45.990 being in this realm across all time is still 00:10:45.990 --> 00:10:50.009 here. Yeah. So where in the here it and so I'm 00:10:50.009 --> 00:10:52.429 like okay for me it's like this this frequency 00:10:52.429 --> 00:10:55.129 band that there's a density to it where all this 00:10:55.129 --> 00:10:56.909 information is and it's like to me like in like 00:10:56.909 --> 00:10:59.330 an asteroid belt in the energetic field. Yeah. 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:00.730 Does that resonate with you at all? I'm curious. 00:11:01.269 --> 00:11:04.029 Like a paint test tape or a disc or all the technology. 00:11:04.250 --> 00:11:07.509 that we've had to record things, right? I heard 00:11:07.509 --> 00:11:11.389 recently that scientists have some measure of 00:11:11.389 --> 00:11:13.309 proof, I believe, or else I wouldn't have been 00:11:13.309 --> 00:11:19.570 reading about it, that there was, what they determined 00:11:19.570 --> 00:11:23.710 is black holes, the outer ring of a black hole 00:11:23.710 --> 00:11:26.809 contains all of the information of whatever has 00:11:26.809 --> 00:11:29.350 passed through it. And when I heard that, I was 00:11:29.350 --> 00:11:34.700 like, oh my God, of course it does. You know 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:38.860 and in some level even the even quote the white 00:11:38.860 --> 00:11:41.519 space or the empty space between in some way 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.960 contains also contains all the information but 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.240 maybe just in a way that's more diffuse and harder 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.080 to tune into. So these places of density like 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.139 is it a black hole scientifically or even I'm 00:11:51.139 --> 00:11:53.679 saying this this you know asteroid belt which 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.360 is just air quotes of the Akashic field this 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:59.559 dense band of a frequency that's sort of in our 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:01.399 realm but also maybe on the edges of it whatever 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.169 that means because it's all here. you know, when 00:12:04.169 --> 00:12:06.330 there's places of more density, that's just where 00:12:06.330 --> 00:12:08.990 it's easier for us to go and pluck out the threads 00:12:08.990 --> 00:12:11.029 that are relevant to us in the here and now. 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:13.370 And it's interesting that you're describing it 00:12:13.370 --> 00:12:16.370 as having density because I, I mean, we talk 00:12:16.370 --> 00:12:19.070 about that all the time, the frequency and all 00:12:19.070 --> 00:12:21.289 that frequency vibration. It's all there is, 00:12:21.289 --> 00:12:25.070 right? Well, it's when I previously, when I was 00:12:25.070 --> 00:12:28.190 working to tune into the Akasha, when I was learning 00:12:28.190 --> 00:12:31.259 under Amy, a lot of the time what I would experience 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:35.740 is my ear would be like tadadadada like tapping 00:12:35.740 --> 00:12:38.779 bubbles and it would be like pressure it's like 00:12:38.779 --> 00:12:41.539 if your ears are popping you know and I'll get 00:12:41.539 --> 00:12:44.559 my sinus would pop my leg left my usually my 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.360 right side it just kind of goes click like on 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.559 the inside I I can't describe that I think that 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.600 is my body's physical response to tuning to that 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.970 frequency like my it's it's just For whatever 00:12:58.970 --> 00:13:02.830 reason I guess Claire sentience is Very strong 00:13:02.830 --> 00:13:07.909 in me and my body registers energies around me 00:13:07.909 --> 00:13:11.470 whether I sharpen my discernment to them or not 00:13:11.470 --> 00:13:16.809 is still in question, but I Do recognize that 00:13:16.809 --> 00:13:21.250 I feel that shit so And then you know for me 00:13:21.250 --> 00:13:23.750 part of you know backing up for me for my history 00:13:23.750 --> 00:13:27.759 like I first learned I was a medium Like over 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.039 25 years ago when my grandfather passed away 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.000 and threw a whole story of circumstance I didn't 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.039 know he had died until like nine months later 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.000 but right when he passed there was this week 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.620 when I was You know telling my friends and I 00:13:41.620 --> 00:13:43.559 journaled this I was like thinking about him 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.440 all the time and when I got home I needed to 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.200 go see him and he lived, you know states away 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.480 and and then you know It was really at this intense 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.980 period of connection with him that I at the time 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:54.820 I was younger and just scientific minded and 00:13:54.820 --> 00:13:56.519 didn't I was like, oh, I'm just thinking of him 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.220 right now a lot. And then later I learned he 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:02.179 passed. And it was when my dad told me later 00:14:02.179 --> 00:14:04.559 he passed. And I was like, wait a minute, dad, 00:14:04.659 --> 00:14:07.240 wait, when exactly did he die? And it was exactly 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.039 back when I had had that feeling. And because 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.200 of that disconnect, I was like, oh my goodness, 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.200 he was talking to me. It was clear the way it 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.240 all worked out in my circumstance. So I've been 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.799 talking to and then my great -grandmother came 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.919 to me years later Really intensely and like I 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.139 had a like an 18 month like long I'll say a conversation 00:14:27.139 --> 00:14:29.419 with her and I realized how my ancestors were 00:14:29.419 --> 00:14:31.659 like controlling me in certain ways and wanting 00:14:31.659 --> 00:14:34.440 to live out their ancestral unmet Carmas with 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.820 me and I with her I had to it was so strong I 00:14:37.820 --> 00:14:39.960 realized I was being controlled by her by her 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:43.820 unmet needs so I had to devise my own method 00:14:43.820 --> 00:14:47.830 of I'll say exorcism in a strong way, but untangling 00:14:47.830 --> 00:14:52.269 that and allowing her to, to, to release me from 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:55.529 her control. Yes. So like, that's how I started 00:14:55.529 --> 00:14:59.519 all this really. So now, you know, even when 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.500 I'm going up into the Akashic field, like the 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:03.299 first, when I'm opening up into the higher realms, 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:07.220 the first band I enter is the ancestors. And, 00:15:07.299 --> 00:15:08.720 you know, when I'm working with somebody, like 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.179 if they want to, so that's a realm where like, 00:15:11.179 --> 00:15:13.240 if the ancestors want to speak on behalf of this 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.259 person I'm working with, then they'll like push 00:15:15.259 --> 00:15:18.679 their messages to me. And I don't have a choice, 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:21.179 you know? And then when I go just past that and 00:15:21.179 --> 00:15:23.200 tune my radio just for to pass that, then I get 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:26.299 into this whole band of angels and spirit guides 00:15:26.299 --> 00:15:30.299 broadly. It's a big category of beings that, 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:32.519 you know, spirit guides, angels and beyond that 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.419 we all have all around us. And then it's just 00:15:34.419 --> 00:15:36.740 past that where I enter the Akashic field. So 00:15:36.740 --> 00:15:39.360 that's my sort of, and I don't think that's universal 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.860 for everyone, but for me, that's the path that 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:44.000 I go through astrally to get to these realms. 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:46.480 Makes sense to me. That's how I see it also. 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.240 I'm not quite, I don't see, I don't see spirits 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.980 not even necessarily in my inner vision. um often 00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:59.360 so that's not i'm not quite but i do i feel it 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:02.679 that same way i feel it that same way um frequency 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.240 wise yeah so like the information and then now 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.320 there's so with with this global ascension that's 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:14.159 occurring right now there are so many other beings 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.840 and other categories of intelligence and life 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.820 forms that are emerging for us. So I have friends 00:16:19.820 --> 00:16:24.759 who are very deeply seeing, you know, fairies 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:26.580 of various types, you know, there's different 00:16:26.580 --> 00:16:29.740 names for fairies broadly across the globe. And 00:16:29.740 --> 00:16:31.259 I'll just use that as a category of like, there's 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:33.460 a whole range of beings that are sort of fairy 00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.200 beings. Exactly, the whole range. And then I 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:38.399 have other friends, you know, just talking to 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.480 one yesterday who was deeply immersed with the 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.940 mermaid. and I have a few friends globally around 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:47.399 the world that are like, oh, now I'm deeply connected 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.360 and receiving intelligence from the mermaids. 00:16:50.980 --> 00:16:54.100 And then for me personally, it's dragons. The 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:58.960 dragons are so deeply emerging. And what they're 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.980 telling me is like, as the earth rises, as we're 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:04.680 rising up. you know they're not emerging as much 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.119 as we're we're at this time again coming up into 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.079 the realm of frequency where they have always 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.980 inhabited yeah like we're we're joining them 00:17:12.980 --> 00:17:15.079 once again and they're like oh you can see us 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.480 now kind of thing like oh welcome let's hang 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.480 out with you as you as the earth and us individually 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.539 raises our frequency so fun it's so much fun 00:17:23.539 --> 00:17:26.660 right now to be alive it is right i'm sure you 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:30.369 have gone down those wormholes of dragons in 00:17:30.369 --> 00:17:33.470 history, depicted in art that have been covered 00:17:33.470 --> 00:17:38.190 up and concealed and changed and altered. I love 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:41.789 this so much. Thank you. They've been giving 00:17:41.789 --> 00:17:45.609 me these messages. you know, dragons globally 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:47.789 have been perceived in different ways and different, 00:17:47.809 --> 00:17:50.029 you know, and there's dragons all over everywhere 00:17:50.029 --> 00:17:52.529 of different levels and ages. And, you know, 00:17:52.769 --> 00:17:54.190 they've showed me like dragons. They're like, 00:17:54.289 --> 00:17:56.670 okay, like there's a, right now there's mostly 00:17:56.670 --> 00:17:59.130 two that talk to me. There's a sky dragon and 00:17:59.130 --> 00:18:00.769 an earth dragon that talk to me pretty regularly, 00:18:01.029 --> 00:18:03.529 but they're like, we're just two. There's as 00:18:03.529 --> 00:18:05.410 many types of quote types of dragons as there 00:18:05.410 --> 00:18:07.710 are like types of humans globally. And if you 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:10.440 talk to, you know, human. you know, somewhere 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:11.940 across the globe, they might have a different 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.859 image than from you, but we're still all the 00:18:14.859 --> 00:18:16.740 same frequency of dragoness just like you're 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:21.180 all humans. Yeah, I don't know where I was going 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:23.400 with that. I was going... You were saying different 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.539 levels, the different types. Different levels 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:30.980 and types. When I was driving earlier, I was 00:18:30.980 --> 00:18:34.559 thinking about the difference between reptilians 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.230 and dragons. And I was like, absolutely not. 00:18:37.490 --> 00:18:41.890 Dragons are sacred. So different, entirely. And 00:18:41.890 --> 00:18:44.309 even, I'm going to say, across cultures, there 00:18:44.309 --> 00:18:46.130 have been many, many representations. And I'm 00:18:46.130 --> 00:18:48.529 going to call them, just generically, my word 00:18:48.529 --> 00:18:53.069 is going to be snake -like dragons. So there's 00:18:53.069 --> 00:18:57.990 been these more cosmic snake creatures. That's 00:18:57.990 --> 00:19:02.819 a coddle. Quetzalcoatl and the Chinese and Eastern 00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:06.980 versions of serpents. And for me, what I've been 00:19:06.980 --> 00:19:09.259 shown in that intelligence is that those are 00:19:09.259 --> 00:19:12.700 actually a deeper, primordial, more ancient version 00:19:12.700 --> 00:19:18.079 of more origin level being that are more cosmic, 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:21.240 more beyond Earth. Those have come from an intelligence 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.220 beyond this realm, but are part of this realm. 00:19:23.740 --> 00:19:26.470 And for me, dragons. and what I've been shown 00:19:26.470 --> 00:19:30.289 is that dragons are not necessarily a direct 00:19:30.289 --> 00:19:34.690 descendant of those but a newer incarnation on 00:19:34.690 --> 00:19:36.750 this earth realm but when I say newer they're 00:19:36.750 --> 00:19:40.250 still like beyond beyond beyond even the oldest 00:19:40.250 --> 00:19:43.029 gods that we can imagine that they're still ancient 00:19:43.029 --> 00:19:47.410 and ancient but newer relatively than those original 00:19:47.410 --> 00:19:50.150 serpent dragon beings that were part of the origin 00:19:50.150 --> 00:19:53.369 story you know in the west also Ouroboros right 00:19:53.369 --> 00:19:58.849 similar Yes. Yes. And I think both of us too, 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:01.730 also very interested and drawn towards shamanism, 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:04.529 understanding that death is part of life and 00:20:04.529 --> 00:20:07.710 all of the circle and all of the... I think you 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:10.490 and I had always been, especially in the group 00:20:10.490 --> 00:20:12.769 that we were in where we met, you and I were 00:20:12.769 --> 00:20:16.769 always very more aligned with understanding the 00:20:16.769 --> 00:20:19.109 darkness in all of us and understanding the darkness 00:20:19.109 --> 00:20:23.519 without fear and without... judgment, it's more 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.539 of like understanding for the propulsion of like 00:20:27.539 --> 00:20:29.779 where we need to go. Like we're not looking, 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:32.740 we're not looking back and pointing fingers. 00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:36.819 It's more like, you know, what can we learn from 00:20:36.819 --> 00:20:39.519 this? And you can't be afraid to look at it because 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.180 then you're not going to learn from it. And it 00:20:41.180 --> 00:20:44.180 is here for us to learn from. So, yeah. Right. 00:20:44.180 --> 00:20:47.980 Like all things just are. Yeah. And when we, 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:49.660 you know, like you mentioned shamanism, when 00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:54.660 we You know, I'll just say like one very simple 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:56.319 definition of shamanism I'll just make up on 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.460 the spot would be like shamanism might be from 00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:01.460 this perspective just deeply connecting with 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:04.339 the physical world and the earth and the elementals 00:21:04.339 --> 00:21:07.319 of this place and time that we're in to connect 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.819 to the spiritual totality of the universe. I 00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:11.519 just made that up, right? So some version of 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.140 that where we're using our body and the earth 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:17.259 and the physical tools of this realm to then 00:21:17.259 --> 00:21:21.880 transcend the bridge. the bridge yeah and and 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:26.099 when you do that right you don't know what's 00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:27.680 going to emerge you don't know where you're going 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.640 to go if you know where you're going to go then 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.259 actually you're not doing the practice then you're 00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:34.599 imagining it right because you know when you 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.380 open the door to the mystery what emerges is 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:40.269 what emerges and and there's So there's an infinite 00:21:40.269 --> 00:21:42.670 possibility that we could say goes from light 00:21:42.670 --> 00:21:45.029 to dark to say it that way. It goes from one 00:21:45.029 --> 00:21:46.930 direction to the other, which are actually the 00:21:46.930 --> 00:21:50.390 same. Yes. And it's a totality. So if you say 00:21:50.390 --> 00:21:52.690 like, oh, anything on this realm is bad. Anything 00:21:52.690 --> 00:21:55.990 over here is good. Well, then immediately already 00:21:55.990 --> 00:21:59.289 you're actually not entering truth. You're limiting 00:21:59.289 --> 00:22:02.450 entering a filtered version, which then becomes 00:22:02.450 --> 00:22:06.250 artificial. And then that creates. yeah that 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:09.349 creates a twist in the in the threads of space 00:22:09.349 --> 00:22:11.809 and time that creates actually knots which creates 00:22:11.809 --> 00:22:15.109 more karmic problems difficulties challenges 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:18.029 use that language as we go down down down the 00:22:18.029 --> 00:22:22.309 road right absolutely backing up backing up i 00:22:22.309 --> 00:22:24.390 for a second where i wanted to where you mentioned 00:22:24.390 --> 00:22:27.509 all of the you know i'll specifically think about 00:22:27.509 --> 00:22:30.049 like the like the european images of dragons 00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:33.349 yeah the mythologies of dragons and how they've 00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:36.890 been carried through time Yes. I was thinking 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:41.150 about that yesterday. Why do you think it's beyond 00:22:41.150 --> 00:22:44.829 my comprehension that people would not believe 00:22:44.829 --> 00:22:48.130 that they were real? If you look at historically 00:22:48.130 --> 00:22:51.410 where they've been depicted through many different 00:22:51.410 --> 00:22:55.130 cultures over such a long span of time, why would 00:22:55.130 --> 00:22:57.690 you think they weren't real? Because that well, 00:22:57.690 --> 00:23:00.069 you know that was an intentional so the keepers 00:23:00.069 --> 00:23:02.750 of you know way back, you know in lost time like 00:23:02.750 --> 00:23:07.230 this this Diminishment of the realization of 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:11.890 the truth happened deep deep deep deep Many many 00:23:11.890 --> 00:23:14.509 many thousands of years ago and and they hid, 00:23:14.670 --> 00:23:16.849 you know, not just dragons But these elemental 00:23:16.849 --> 00:23:19.650 truths that were being suppressed in the children's 00:23:19.650 --> 00:23:22.630 fables Mm -hmm. That's how they kept them alive. 00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:24.700 They're like, oh no we're going to tell these 00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:26.460 stories but we're going to also pretend that 00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:28.720 this is make believe and therefore they wouldn't 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.099 be prosecuted and stamped out they were allowed 00:23:31.099 --> 00:23:33.700 to continue because the stories were just told 00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:36.200 as being this is a children's tale that has no 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.059 truth and therefore the powers that be that were 00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:42.380 in charge of suppression would let them survive 00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:45.519 through again many thousands of years yeah you 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.339 look clearly with open eyes and receive you know 00:23:48.339 --> 00:23:50.819 for me personally when i received the transmissions 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:52.740 from these realms that were emerging into dragons 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.509 and beyond It's not just dragons, but all of 00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:58.490 these children's mythologies actually are like, 00:23:58.609 --> 00:24:00.490 oh my goodness, they're containing this vibration 00:24:00.490 --> 00:24:02.829 of deep, deep truth that is not present or else. 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:05.990 And certainly it's been simplified and twisted 00:24:05.990 --> 00:24:09.250 in certain ways, but the deep, deep truths actually 00:24:09.250 --> 00:24:11.910 are the open secret that emerge clearly once 00:24:11.910 --> 00:24:14.750 you open up to higher frequencies. And so like 00:24:14.750 --> 00:24:17.150 with dragon lore, like one thing that's very 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:19.329 common across cultures from my perspective would 00:24:19.329 --> 00:24:23.559 be this view that, you know, dragons exist, you 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.579 know, at the ends of the ocean or maybe like 00:24:25.579 --> 00:24:27.960 deep in a cave or on top of a mountain in these 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.559 really, quote, distant, inaccessible places. 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.660 And what the dragons have shared around me is 00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:35.500 like, yeah, the truth in that is that we are 00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:38.779 living in the vibration that's between this realm 00:24:38.779 --> 00:24:42.559 and the realms beyond. So deep in a cave or deep 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.700 across the ocean or whatever, high on a mountain 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:48.740 is a symbol of being on the edges of this realm. 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.059 which is true they actually exist on a frequency 00:24:52.059 --> 00:24:55.119 band that's right here but it's just beyond the 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.700 previous three -dimensional constricted version 00:24:57.700 --> 00:25:00.779 of earth and for me they are the boundary so 00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:03.839 for me it's like imagine you know a boat in a 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:05.700 water floating or an iceberg or something where 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:07.799 half is beneath the water and half is above the 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.099 water yeah and for dragons it's like half their 00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:12.519 frequency is in this realm entirely and half 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:14.619 is in the realm beyond and they're sort of floating 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:16.880 on that they are the guardians of that boundary 00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:19.490 And so then the other piece that I think I wanted 00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:23.150 to bring forward about dragons is their fire, 00:25:23.269 --> 00:25:26.009 their breath of destruction. You know, there's 00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:28.690 these stories of, you know, in these stories 00:25:28.690 --> 00:25:32.210 from the era of like knights and maidens that 00:25:32.210 --> 00:25:34.509 needed to be saved. Like those stories are about 00:25:34.509 --> 00:25:37.369 purity of heart. If you're going there with anger, 00:25:37.609 --> 00:25:39.589 which is, you know, difference and distinction, 00:25:40.089 --> 00:25:42.250 if there's any clarity of like this and that, 00:25:42.349 --> 00:25:45.269 good and bad or anything like that, those those 00:25:45.269 --> 00:25:46.869 knights in this story that would go and like 00:25:46.869 --> 00:25:49.130 find the dragon would get burnt up by the fire. 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:53.240 But when a knight would have like the pure heart, 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.680 he would be able to be, you know, either quote 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.099 kill the dragon, but really even see the dragon 00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:02.119 as even see the dragon as goodness and co -exist 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.779 with them. And that's because the fire of dragons, 00:26:04.819 --> 00:26:06.579 this is what the dragons are telling me, the 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:09.160 quote fire of dragons is simply the breath of 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:12.700 flame from the realm beyond, which is not pure 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:14.799 of the frequency of the next realm. You get burnt 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.799 up by it. You cannot exist there until you've 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.950 raised your frequency into frequency of what's 00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:23.369 next. Yeah. The fire is the fire of, you know, 00:26:23.450 --> 00:26:25.609 from one perspective like non -duality and the 00:26:25.609 --> 00:26:27.910 union of all things. Again, when you're there 00:26:27.910 --> 00:26:30.529 with anger and difference and distinction, you 00:26:30.529 --> 00:26:32.730 get burnt up by that and you cannot survive anymore 00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:34.869 in that. Yes. Isn't that kind of a fun way to 00:26:34.869 --> 00:26:37.890 see it? Yes, yes, and it makes a lot of, it makes 00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:41.900 so much sense. I know I've had my own connections 00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:46.019 with an earth dragon, I would say. Like she's 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.539 very, very, very deep in the earth and she is 00:26:49.539 --> 00:26:55.599 awake and she is patient because she could just 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.920 get up and it would fuck shit up. But she is 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:02.339 being patient and she is being calm and she is... 00:27:02.349 --> 00:27:06.170 So that's, I sometimes connect with her and I 00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:11.930 feel very empowered in my breath and in my perseverance. 00:27:11.950 --> 00:27:14.849 So it's like what you, you know, very, it's my 00:27:14.849 --> 00:27:16.890 good friend to connect to when I need a little 00:27:16.890 --> 00:27:22.059 bit of... heart energy. I mean, they live so 00:27:22.059 --> 00:27:24.420 long, you know, I've shown I'm sure that there's 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:26.859 different ages of dragons, but even the new ones. 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.140 So like the two that connect to me regularly 00:27:29.140 --> 00:27:32.700 are relatively young, but they're like, no, we're 00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:36.599 we're still like, Atlantis Lemuria are like recent 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.960 for them. Like, they're so old that like those 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.880 events are like, oh, yeah, those were just little 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.480 like blips. And they go way back lost in the 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.660 midst of times. Yeah, like their patience level. 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.900 Our lifetimes individually are just such a little 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:58.279 snap. Their timeline is so vast. Patience to 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:04.609 us is because it's simply just a blink. So they 00:28:04.609 --> 00:28:06.690 have all the time in the world for our little 00:28:06.690 --> 00:28:09.549 lifetimes to like come around to like hanging 00:28:09.549 --> 00:28:11.309 out with them. They're like, oh yeah. And they've 00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:13.710 seen this rise and fall. They've seen civilizations, 00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:15.930 you know, even those two that we're aware of, 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:17.430 I'm just gonna use these two that many of us 00:28:17.430 --> 00:28:19.690 know about, you know, Atlantis and then before 00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:24.210 that, Lemuria, you know, those even were. very 00:28:24.210 --> 00:28:26.910 far apart, relatively, and there is collapses 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:28.950 in between those. And they've seen the rise and 00:28:28.950 --> 00:28:31.029 fall of those. And I've been told, you know, 00:28:31.329 --> 00:28:33.609 numerous other cycles like that with civilizations 00:28:33.609 --> 00:28:38.259 that are names don't exist for me. Doesn't matter 00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:40.500 there's like and it also doesn't matter. It's 00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:42.839 sorry to say not in a heartless way, but like 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.099 to us It doesn't matter. It's the idea. It's 00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:49.099 the understanding of how it rose and fell That's 00:28:49.099 --> 00:28:51.720 all we really need to know and the rising, you 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.940 know again, who knows but what i've shown is 00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.160 that the rising that we're just now entering 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.380 in the very infancy steps of entering Is the 00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:03.059 energetic wave that we're riding now is beyond? 00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:07.980 The the density beyond the expansion of either 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:10.539 of those. So any stories we have heard about 00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:13.400 Atlantis or Lemuria or about the, you know, the 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.700 fantastic, magical, mystical ways that those 00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:19.180 beings and civilizations survived and existed. 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.539 anything we've heard there will be child's play 00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:25.220 to us as we move forward into this new age. What 00:29:25.220 --> 00:29:27.960 we're entering is beyond that in because you 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.740 know there's waves and waves and there's you 00:29:29.740 --> 00:29:31.839 know smaller waves of time and bigger waves of 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.839 time and this upswing is a bigger wave of time 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.960 that's going to carry us quote farther whatever 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.500 that means like I can't even comprehend what 00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:42.480 that might be because it's like beyond this dimensional 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.960 geometric form to say I don't know yet but we 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.440 can you know this awakening we can all feel those 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.420 of us who are awake can feel this wash of expansion 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:53.539 and it's like overwhelming for so many people 00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:56.180 it's it's fast it's strong it's harsh you know 00:29:56.180 --> 00:29:57.759 if people who are hanging out are being knocked 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.779 over by this wave of awakening people are you 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:03.279 know people left and right are being just smacked 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:08.779 around until we choose to wake up in a line with 00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:10.579 the energy of the way, because there's no other 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:14.420 choice for us. Yeah. Yes. Yes. We way. Right. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:20.500 Yeah. Yeah. It's I just had a thought. Let me 00:30:20.500 --> 00:30:30.819 see if I can. Yeah. No, I think it's gone. Oh, 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:36.279 well, speaking of Having thoughts leave our heads 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.539 and kind of change the subject to rewiring our 00:30:40.539 --> 00:30:43.880 thoughts and choosing to Align with things and 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.839 believe things and trust our intuition you and 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.279 I both share another thing in common, which is 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:55.700 plant medicine and I I am much less experienced 00:30:55.700 --> 00:31:00.099 than you I would say but What are some of your 00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:02.400 takeaways? How long have you been working with 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:03.980 plant medicine in your life? What are some of 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:07.960 your major takeaways that you would say to someone 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.359 who has experienced anxiety, depression, trauma 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.059 in their life, and they've never worked with 00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:15.480 plant medicine? How would you elevate or pitch 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:20.859 that to them? I mean, first, depending on how 00:31:20.859 --> 00:31:24.220 deep in the anxiety, depression, worry this person 00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:28.000 was, I would make sure in the conversation and 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.740 make sure in the relationship that there was 00:31:30.740 --> 00:31:33.700 a baseline of trust and understanding before 00:31:33.700 --> 00:31:36.420 I would push into this. But let's just assume 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:39.359 that this is a friend that we have a deep level 00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.299 of trust and understanding and we can go forward 00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:44.180 with this conversation of like, hey, here's some 00:31:44.180 --> 00:31:49.319 ways of expansion. I mean, broadly these beautiful 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:54.660 allies are part of this earth realm here specifically 00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:58.440 for for human awakening and also many other beings 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.299 but they are tools of transformation that were 00:32:01.299 --> 00:32:05.339 offered for us from this perspective by the universe 00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:10.079 for us to they're like shortcuts they're like 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.319 cheat codes they're like wormholes for us to 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:16.349 see who we are you know of course I'm sure anyone 00:32:16.349 --> 00:32:18.150 listening to this podcast and anyone who's awake 00:32:18.150 --> 00:32:20.809 spiritually understands some version, you know, 00:32:20.869 --> 00:32:22.529 there's different ways to say this, but that 00:32:22.529 --> 00:32:25.049 we are all born and choose to be born here on 00:32:25.049 --> 00:32:27.470 earth because we are cut off from the collective 00:32:27.470 --> 00:32:30.309 understanding that we are God in all things and 00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:33.069 universal consciousness. And that's, you know, 00:32:33.190 --> 00:32:35.130 from one perspective, that's the reason that 00:32:35.130 --> 00:32:37.410 we choose to be born here on earth is to feel 00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:39.730 the smallness. This is how I'm showing this is 00:32:39.730 --> 00:32:42.710 like, we choose to feel the smallness of earth, 00:32:42.970 --> 00:32:47.150 so that the joy and the rapturous orgasmic connection 00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:49.269 of coming back into universal consciousness, 00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:52.910 that like whoosh is like a roller coaster ride 00:32:52.910 --> 00:32:57.990 or like like a rush beyond belief. And there's 00:32:57.990 --> 00:32:59.890 no other realm in the universes that I've been 00:32:59.890 --> 00:33:02.609 shown that allow this type of disconnection and 00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:06.589 reconnection. It's a rush for our souls. This 00:33:06.589 --> 00:33:09.170 disconnection, we have all our pain, we have 00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:13.529 all of our traumas and all the things that are 00:33:13.529 --> 00:33:15.430 difficult for us that we all live through in 00:33:15.430 --> 00:33:18.750 our own ways. those are there to show us the 00:33:18.750 --> 00:33:21.210 level of darkness. And it's like riding higher 00:33:21.210 --> 00:33:23.049 on a roller coaster so that when we come back 00:33:23.049 --> 00:33:25.250 in connection with the universe and all things 00:33:25.250 --> 00:33:27.849 and eternal love, it's that much longer of a 00:33:27.849 --> 00:33:31.509 ride for us to get back to all things. So that 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:35.750 all said, plant medicines open the doors. And 00:33:35.750 --> 00:33:37.789 when I say plant medicines too, I also include... 00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:39.869 include the psilocybin mushrooms as part of that. 00:33:40.789 --> 00:33:42.470 You know, it's like we see plant medicines and 00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:44.690 I'm always like, I'm not ignoring you fungus, 00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:47.190 like love you too. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, no, 00:33:47.869 --> 00:33:49.670 totally included. All these natural allies that 00:33:49.670 --> 00:33:54.130 we have are there to, for me, I say like open 00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:56.809 the gates of consciousness and allow us to travel 00:33:56.809 --> 00:34:00.789 more freely to see the reality of all things 00:34:00.789 --> 00:34:03.720 as they are. still from the perspective of wherever 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.680 we are in connection to our ego. So we still 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.260 see them self referentially, but it opens doors 00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:11.719 and gives us a wider view than we've had before. 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.579 And so, you know, I first did mushrooms in college. 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.059 Some friends of mine, you mentioned Joshua Tree, 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.420 I went to school in San Diego, and some friends 00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:23.360 of mine were like, we got some mushrooms, we're 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.940 going out to... Joshua Tree. And I'm like, yeah, 00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:30.699 man, let's go. And so we took mushrooms and all 00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:32.679 went out individually by ourselves, you know, 00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:34.840 separated out onto the rocks and Joshua Tree. 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.400 And, um, you know, had a beautiful afternoon 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:41.119 night of a deep journey. Yeah. And I've never 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:43.019 been the same, you know, I've never been the 00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:46.780 same. It was like a deep reset, even back that 00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:49.699 I can remember specifically, like it reprogrammed 00:34:49.699 --> 00:34:53.099 my mind. I felt like I was reset into clarity 00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:57.679 and openness and purpose but not in a I need 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.219 to get it done way but in just a deep alignment 00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:03.039 with the universe way and it's not been every 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.760 year but I've tried to I've told myself and there's 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.119 been years when I haven't but like almost every 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.179 year for years I would like I need to do mushrooms 00:35:11.179 --> 00:35:14.199 at least once a year you know sometimes it'll 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.820 go a couple years and I do them and okay just 00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:17.659 to get the clarity and direction of like opening 00:35:17.659 --> 00:35:20.840 things up yeah then and then and then since that 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.659 it's really been in the last five years that 00:35:22.659 --> 00:35:27.719 I've been doing medicine work beyond psilocybin 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:34.179 in a very specific journey of exploration. And 00:35:34.179 --> 00:35:36.280 for me, it might be different from some other 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.780 people. And the medicine has even shown me like 00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:41.639 this was on purpose. These medicines are intentional, 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:47.159 but I've gone through, I had a guru back in the 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.940 early, early 2000s. I sat with Ram Dass back 00:35:49.940 --> 00:35:53.630 in the late 90s. um I've been on a spiritual 00:35:53.630 --> 00:35:58.070 journey that beyond plant medicines um for decades 00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:01.150 yeah so I've done really intense spiritual work 00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:04.510 of various types across traditions for for many 00:36:04.510 --> 00:36:07.550 many many years and through that I've had my 00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:10.929 own awakenings beyond plant medicine that now 00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:13.829 that I'm doing the medicine more more deeply 00:36:13.829 --> 00:36:16.769 has allowed me perhaps to see it from a different 00:36:16.769 --> 00:36:19.230 view than someone who's coming in still deeply 00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:21.829 in their shadow deeply in their traumas yeah 00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:26.820 um and and from that I just have so much appreciation 00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:32.519 for the power of these tools um the power of 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.840 these allies you know they are like everything 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.920 is a spirit going back to shamanism I mean one 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.460 of the deep fundamental beliefs that I think 00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:44.119 needs to occur in some way if you're going to 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.579 work with these medicines is that you know they're 00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:48.139 not just a plant or a mushroom they are a spirit 00:36:48.139 --> 00:36:51.710 they're an energetic intelligence that has its 00:36:51.710 --> 00:36:57.929 own life air quotes they have their own intelligence 00:36:57.929 --> 00:37:00.889 across time and space and they are here specifically 00:37:00.889 --> 00:37:04.170 to help us they are you know they are absolutely 00:37:04.170 --> 00:37:07.650 allies and but each ally you know a mushroom 00:37:07.650 --> 00:37:11.590 the way you know psilocybin works is very different 00:37:11.590 --> 00:37:13.949 from peyote is very different from ayahuasca 00:37:13.949 --> 00:37:16.670 is very different from wachuma is very different 00:37:16.670 --> 00:37:20.519 from you know, the other allies that we have. 00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:22.920 So there's different threads and flavors of how 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.559 they work with us, but they open the gates and 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.039 show us who we are in ways that, you know, I 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.599 did it with meditation and it took decades and 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.460 it's not different. It's just, they can show 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:40.579 us who we are in ways that can cut through time 00:37:40.579 --> 00:37:45.860 and space. then I'll say like we still from my 00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:48.139 perspective we need to also do our own individual 00:37:48.139 --> 00:37:51.019 work outside of the medicine. So there's a bunch 00:37:51.019 --> 00:37:53.280 of people that I disagree with but there's still 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.219 a lot of people that that say and I hear this 00:37:55.219 --> 00:37:57.489 and I've talked to people and they say no you 00:37:57.489 --> 00:37:59.570 know like ayahuasca in particular is my path 00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:02.190 that's what I do and there are people that only 00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:04.590 do that and don't do other work to integrate 00:38:04.590 --> 00:38:07.250 beyond the ayahuasca and for me personally I'll 00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:09.230 just you know say like for me that's a big red 00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:12.110 flag big cautionary tale and from my perspective 00:38:12.110 --> 00:38:14.510 my bias when I see talking to people like that 00:38:14.510 --> 00:38:17.150 what I see is it's easy to again get sort of 00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:21.329 wrapped up and have a say this some delusion 00:38:21.329 --> 00:38:23.650 and sort of misperceptions if we don't go back 00:38:23.650 --> 00:38:25.849 and then do our own integration work on our own 00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:32.010 Yes, integration is like more than half of it, 00:38:32.010 --> 00:38:37.030 I would say, probably 75%. 25 % is partaking 00:38:37.030 --> 00:38:40.349 and relating with the spirit of the medicine, 00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:43.710 having your experience, getting the insight, 00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:46.750 and then you have to integrate that every day 00:38:46.750 --> 00:38:49.530 after that, continuously. So that's like the 00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:52.050 work actually that comes after, in my opinion. 00:38:54.690 --> 00:38:58.150 Sometimes not even I mean since it's before sometimes 00:38:58.150 --> 00:39:02.449 I've gone into plant medicine journeys with different 00:39:02.449 --> 00:39:06.170 intentions and also with no intentions or expectations 00:39:06.170 --> 00:39:09.670 and it's like obviously Well, so I went in with 00:39:09.670 --> 00:39:12.869 intention and expectations the first second time 00:39:12.869 --> 00:39:15.230 third fourth time I said obviously I don't know 00:39:15.230 --> 00:39:17.829 what I'm looking for. I need you to show me So 00:39:17.829 --> 00:39:20.010 I'm just here for you to show me you know and 00:39:20.010 --> 00:39:23.670 that's when it really took off but so it's sort 00:39:23.670 --> 00:39:26.909 of like having an open mind just like being um 00:39:26.909 --> 00:39:30.530 surrendering for the spirit to show you what 00:39:30.530 --> 00:39:33.070 is needed because you can trust that they will 00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:35.489 they'll give you what you're ready for but they 00:39:35.489 --> 00:39:37.650 won't give you what you're not ready for so sometimes 00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:44.400 it's like do I even need to do this? It's funny, 00:39:44.619 --> 00:39:48.059 at my most recent retreat, one of the other participants 00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:52.199 was sharing in, you know, after our ceremony, 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.139 and she was saying that when she was sitting 00:39:54.139 --> 00:39:57.159 with the medicine, she was asking, what is necessary? 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.440 And then she's like, is this even necessary, 00:40:00.539 --> 00:40:02.679 what I'm doing? Do I even have to take this medicine? 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.980 Is that necessary? And it just like really went 00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:07.659 into this tailspin of like, what is necessary? 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.280 So it kind of makes me laugh because she was 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:16.800 she thought it was funny. But I had a very fast 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.539 spiritual awakening and I suddenly had abilities 00:40:22.539 --> 00:40:28.119 that though they are my abilities, they weren't 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:33.949 they weren't trained for and they were not. supposed 00:40:33.949 --> 00:40:36.630 to come on board that quickly and at that time. 00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:41.150 So it was very disabilizing, but it was also 00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:44.590 the validation that I received from plant medicine 00:40:44.590 --> 00:40:48.670 was I was able to see the same way. Like I looked 00:40:48.670 --> 00:40:51.429 up in the sky and I saw the grid lines and I, 00:40:51.570 --> 00:40:54.250 you know, I could see sometimes I would notice 00:40:54.250 --> 00:40:57.309 people's faces changing a bit. Maybe they had 00:40:57.309 --> 00:40:59.429 an entity in them, you know, and they would start 00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:04.670 to come out and I would see that. So it was validating 00:41:04.670 --> 00:41:07.929 for me experiencing plant medicine because I 00:41:07.929 --> 00:41:11.690 had never done that before and had a spiritual 00:41:11.690 --> 00:41:15.269 experience of being able to see and sense three 00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:19.150 different dimensions, thinking I'm crazy, right? 00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:23.550 And then... slowly calming down, doing Reiki, 00:41:23.610 --> 00:41:26.050 grounding, all this stuff. And then within a 00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:28.610 year, I did my first plant medicine experience. 00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:32.289 And as soon as I was in the journey, I was like, 00:41:32.289 --> 00:41:35.170 wow, this is what I felt like. This is the type 00:41:35.170 --> 00:41:37.989 of stuff that I saw. This is the level of hearing 00:41:37.989 --> 00:41:43.380 that I had. So I'm not crazy. And like, but then 00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:45.219 I was like, was I drugged? And I was like, no, 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.719 no one drugged me for a month. You know what 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.059 I mean? So I was like, you know. I love that 00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:53.900 so much though. I love that story because again, 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.940 what you're sharing is that you had the awakening 00:41:57.940 --> 00:42:00.639 first and you went to all these realms and then 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.420 the plant medicine confirmed where you were. 00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.559 Yes. Because it's like, you know, there's to 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.300 be really clear, you know, these plant medicines 00:42:08.300 --> 00:42:11.400 do take us, allow us to go out into realms of 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.159 consciousness that are not, for many of us, normal, 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.139 quote, everyday levels of consciousness, especially 00:42:16.139 --> 00:42:19.320 when we're not fully awakened. And yet, it's 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.820 also really important to know from my perspective 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:24.880 that they don't take us anywhere that we cannot 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.079 go and don't go naturally as humans by ourselves. 00:42:28.510 --> 00:42:31.329 yes really like they just open doors and we you 00:42:31.329 --> 00:42:34.869 know without the medicine we can and do go as 00:42:34.869 --> 00:42:38.929 humans everywhere naturally this is our birthright 00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:41.409 is to expand and be alchemist of energy across 00:42:41.409 --> 00:42:43.829 all space and time so i actually really love 00:42:43.829 --> 00:42:45.469 that you know and you mentioned something really 00:42:45.469 --> 00:42:47.869 quickly earlier that your waking was really quickly 00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:49.829 and maybe not meant to happen in that way and 00:42:49.829 --> 00:42:52.409 i'll just offer the the the counterpoint that 00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:53.849 of course he was meant to have in the way because 00:42:53.849 --> 00:42:58.030 it did i'm gonna pause here wrap up part one 00:42:58.409 --> 00:43:01.190 In part two, Erin and I go deeper into plant 00:43:01.190 --> 00:43:05.050 medicine, embodied integration, shamanic perspectives, 00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:08.909 and the role of myth and symbolism in consciousness, 00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.730 including a really interesting exploration of 00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:15.530 dragons and how our perception of them shapes 00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:20.070 memory and meaning. And if this first part resonated, 00:43:20.349 --> 00:43:22.349 you're definitely going to want to join us for 00:43:22.349 --> 00:43:25.679 part two. It builds on everything we started 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:28.679 here and opens into some really rich territory. 00:43:30.019 --> 00:43:32.000 Check out the show notes for links on how to 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.480 contact us. Until then, take care. Thanks for 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.059 joining in our experience.