WEBVTT

00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:33.490
you Hello Carol, welcome to ePluribus Unum, your

00:00:33.490 --> 00:00:36.890
favorite podcast on your favorite show Pluribus.

00:00:37.270 --> 00:00:41.149
Today we will be going over episode 9, The Girl

00:00:41.149 --> 00:00:45.490
or the World. Before we do that, I want to say

00:00:45.490 --> 00:00:47.840
hello to Josh. Josh, how are you doing? I'm doing

00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.200
pretty good over here. Now, you just watched

00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.240
this and you're still in shock right now, I think.

00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:55.920
Am I right? In more ways than one, I think, yeah.

00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.359
Well, good. I think that's fantastic. Let's hit

00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:01.979
some of our housekeeping real quick. Of course,

00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.239
we would love for anyone and everyone that's

00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:08.250
listening to jump onto our Discord. Let's have

00:01:08.250 --> 00:01:10.629
a little bit of discourse. Let's talk about these

00:01:10.629 --> 00:01:12.790
episodes. Let's talk about our theories. And

00:01:12.790 --> 00:01:15.969
now we can have a discussion about the season

00:01:15.969 --> 00:01:19.989
as a whole. Secondly, we definitely want to encourage

00:01:19.989 --> 00:01:23.290
you to listen to our other podcast, Dad, You're

00:01:23.290 --> 00:01:28.019
Wrong, where a Gen X Dad and Millennial Son discuss

00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:31.659
film philosophy and everything in between. If

00:01:31.659 --> 00:01:34.519
you appreciate our podcast E Pluribus Unum, we

00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:36.159
have a feeling you'll probably like it. Dad,

00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:38.579
you're wrong. So please be sure to check that

00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:42.599
out. And finally, I think we're going to do a

00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:50.159
10th episode of E Pluribus Unum for a whole show.

00:01:50.329 --> 00:01:54.189
Review and we may perhaps have a special guest

00:01:54.189 --> 00:01:56.989
come on to that show Josh. What what are your

00:01:56.989 --> 00:01:59.209
thoughts on that? Yeah, I would love to do a

00:01:59.209 --> 00:02:04.150
sort of a recap season one episode and just kind

00:02:04.150 --> 00:02:06.170
of give our thoughts on the season as a whole

00:02:06.170 --> 00:02:09.930
and Get some opinions from a guest star or two.

00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:12.229
I think that'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, I totally

00:02:12.229 --> 00:02:15.370
agree with you. Well, that being said, we have

00:02:15.370 --> 00:02:18.509
a pretty heavy -duty and in -depth episode that

00:02:18.509 --> 00:02:21.789
we need to review today. This is the final episode

00:02:21.789 --> 00:02:26.150
of season one, episode nine, entitled The Girl

00:02:26.150 --> 00:02:30.530
or the World. Josh, what are your overall thoughts

00:02:30.530 --> 00:02:35.110
on this episode? To quote a meme, a famous old

00:02:35.110 --> 00:02:39.669
meme, my disappointment is immeasurable and my

00:02:39.669 --> 00:02:43.849
day is ruined. No, I didn't feel that bad about

00:02:43.849 --> 00:02:48.310
it, but I would say that I do have a pretty solid

00:02:48.310 --> 00:02:52.009
air of disappointment around this episode. And

00:02:52.009 --> 00:02:55.330
I would say as well that it's probably my least

00:02:55.330 --> 00:02:58.009
favorite episode of this first season. Well,

00:02:58.009 --> 00:03:00.069
now I'm starting to feel like this is an episode

00:03:00.069 --> 00:03:03.689
of Dad, You're Wrong. I think it was an excellent

00:03:03.689 --> 00:03:07.539
episode. I think it delivered exactly what I

00:03:07.539 --> 00:03:10.639
had anticipated for the show and where we were

00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.539
going to go. That's not to say I don't have a

00:03:13.539 --> 00:03:15.319
little bit of disappointment, but I think maybe

00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.460
in a different way. And I'm wondering, as we

00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:20.599
have the conversation about the episode, if either

00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:24.039
of us change our minds or alter our way of thinking

00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.300
here. Well, with that being said, I think it's

00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:30.379
well worth us just jumping right into this bad

00:03:30.379 --> 00:03:34.060
boy. And we're taking a look at Pluribus, episode

00:03:34.060 --> 00:03:37.740
nine. the girl or the world, and the very first

00:03:37.740 --> 00:03:41.580
thing that we see is a really gorgeous blue sky

00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:45.000
and another jet flying through the sky here.

00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.960
Yeah, I enjoyed this cold open quite a bit as

00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.500
we pick up with Kusa Mayu in Peru. As this plane's

00:03:54.500 --> 00:03:58.340
coming in, she asks, is that it? And I think

00:03:58.340 --> 00:04:01.939
by that point, we sort of knew what was going

00:04:01.939 --> 00:04:05.189
down in this scene. But the way they lay it out

00:04:05.189 --> 00:04:09.810
is so unnerving. He has done such a good job

00:04:09.810 --> 00:04:14.650
of basically walking this line where it can either

00:04:14.650 --> 00:04:19.009
be really unnerving or it can be very comforting.

00:04:19.870 --> 00:04:23.310
Isn't that weird? What a weird dichotomy that

00:04:23.310 --> 00:04:26.569
we have here. And she confesses she's been sweeping

00:04:26.569 --> 00:04:29.649
this patch of dirt for the last half hour. So

00:04:29.649 --> 00:04:31.850
she's obviously been thinking about this quite

00:04:31.850 --> 00:04:36.000
a bit and Again, another actor whose face gives

00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.639
us so much without having to say a single word.

00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.560
The actor's name is Darinka Arones, who plays

00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.019
Kusumayu. And she does such a great job. She

00:04:47.019 --> 00:04:51.240
has such an emotive face. And her family are

00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.439
saying, are you nervous? And she's, no, I'm not

00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.360
nervous. I'm excited. The next shot, we see a

00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.720
tall man. meet an airplane come in on a landing

00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:05.680
strip and as they open the door we see this fairly

00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.160
decent sized gray box that the person on the

00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.660
plane hands to this tall Peruvian man we would

00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:15.459
assume and he takes the box and puts it into

00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:18.480
the back of this coyote. He jumps in to travel

00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.259
down this dirt road where we assume he's probably

00:05:21.259 --> 00:05:24.860
headed to Kusumayu's village. You have these

00:05:24.860 --> 00:05:28.420
huts, you have a corral with animals, you have

00:05:28.420 --> 00:05:32.079
a fire going, you have them singing. It seems

00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.220
very much like a normal, natural situation here.

00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.000
And we find out rather quickly that it actually

00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.540
isn't. As we watch the people in the village,

00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.939
we can see that they're tending to the fire,

00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.180
making food, singing. and they start to collect

00:05:49.180 --> 00:05:51.360
themselves into a group in the center of this

00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.939
small village. She is actually sitting in the

00:05:54.939 --> 00:05:58.240
corral with several animals and she has a goat

00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.360
in her lap. But what I think they're trying to

00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:05.060
show us here in this first scene is that maybe

00:06:05.060 --> 00:06:07.600
she is a little bit on the fence about joining

00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:12.879
her family and she is petting this animal, which

00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.509
is something that the joined wouldn't do. even

00:06:15.509 --> 00:06:17.730
though they do ask her about her feelings and

00:06:17.730 --> 00:06:21.110
her thoughts, but they always try to say everything

00:06:21.110 --> 00:06:24.889
will be fine, but won't hurt, and we just want

00:06:24.889 --> 00:06:27.389
you to be happy as they always do. I want to

00:06:27.389 --> 00:06:31.649
note though that one of her relatives, she has

00:06:31.649 --> 00:06:37.269
an unnerving smirk on her face. Yeah. even more

00:06:37.269 --> 00:06:40.009
so especially when Kusumayu isn't looking at

00:06:40.009 --> 00:06:42.610
her directly. And it gives me that creepy feeling

00:06:42.610 --> 00:06:46.269
of how much of an act this is or how manipulative

00:06:46.269 --> 00:06:49.629
this is. To me, it was very much the villain

00:06:49.629 --> 00:06:53.230
getting what they wanted by placating this person

00:06:53.230 --> 00:06:56.089
in the short term. And that was the feeling that

00:06:56.089 --> 00:07:00.389
I'd gotten from there. Their literal ritual,

00:07:00.629 --> 00:07:03.050
I heard turning. So here's another thing I want

00:07:03.050 --> 00:07:06.779
to bring up about the scene. We have the villagers

00:07:06.779 --> 00:07:08.800
collect themselves in the center of the village,

00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.860
and we essentially coax her out of the corral.

00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.579
And she shuts the corral, by the way. Behind

00:07:15.579 --> 00:07:19.480
her, everyone is dressed in reds and blues and

00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.699
purples. And there is a, I'm gonna call it the

00:07:22.699 --> 00:07:25.040
rainbow effect throughout this episode, but we

00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.420
do get a lot of colors throughout the spectrum

00:07:28.420 --> 00:07:31.519
through the entire episode. This episode isn't

00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.449
yellow, blue, red. It's all of those things,

00:07:35.769 --> 00:07:37.790
but I think it's important when we apply those

00:07:37.790 --> 00:07:41.709
colors to each character. Her elder relative

00:07:41.709 --> 00:07:46.649
there is wearing a red top and a purple skirt.

00:07:47.250 --> 00:07:50.810
And as we know, blue and red make purple. And

00:07:50.810 --> 00:07:54.410
I believe in your color theory that red, as we

00:07:54.410 --> 00:08:00.009
saw in the last episode, indicates danger. I

00:08:00.009 --> 00:08:02.509
would say or something along those lines, something

00:08:02.509 --> 00:08:05.829
that's not good. It's a color that Vince has

00:08:05.829 --> 00:08:08.649
used before in his series to indicate violence

00:08:08.649 --> 00:08:12.829
or other highly negative things. And when you

00:08:12.829 --> 00:08:15.930
mix red and blue and when you say that blue essentially

00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:18.310
could be associated with the joint, that you

00:08:18.310 --> 00:08:21.709
get that purple. And I believe in my mind that

00:08:21.709 --> 00:08:25.490
signifies the conflict that we have with the

00:08:25.610 --> 00:08:28.910
immune and the joined. And I think it further

00:08:28.910 --> 00:08:33.610
signifies the conflict that Kusumayu has in her

00:08:33.610 --> 00:08:36.470
decision to become joined. She's still a little

00:08:36.470 --> 00:08:38.429
conflicted by it. You don't ask these questions

00:08:38.429 --> 00:08:42.370
if you're excited. You just do the do. As the

00:08:42.370 --> 00:08:44.450
villagers again come to the center of the village,

00:08:44.450 --> 00:08:47.190
they also lay down a blanket right behind her.

00:08:47.230 --> 00:08:49.710
They know how this thing is going to play out.

00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:53.610
And the man arrives with the gray case and we

00:08:53.610 --> 00:08:57.480
have a silver cylinder inside and when they crack

00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.679
it open they put it toward her face and there's

00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.620
a fog that comes out and we understand that she

00:09:03.620 --> 00:09:07.740
needs to inhale this fog in order to instigate

00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:10.899
the change into becoming one of the joined. She

00:09:10.899 --> 00:09:14.419
takes a deep inhalation and her eyes roll back

00:09:14.419 --> 00:09:16.779
in the back of her head and she begins to seize

00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:19.879
and if you notice in this scene the moment that

00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.080
her eyes roll back into the back of her head

00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.659
everyone stops singing. The performance of the

00:09:25.659 --> 00:09:29.519
ritual stops entirely once she's begun to turn

00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.940
How much does that tell us about the joined again

00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:36.100
about their performative nature that they have

00:09:36.100 --> 00:09:40.320
now literally? recreated her village for her

00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.559
only Including all the singing and the ritualistic

00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:47.580
behavior and the food and the animals Just to

00:09:47.580 --> 00:09:49.580
get to the point to where they can get her to

00:09:49.580 --> 00:09:51.740
turn and the moment that that begins to happen

00:09:51.740 --> 00:09:54.929
the facade falls away in the same way she falls

00:09:54.929 --> 00:09:57.750
away into this blanket and goes into the seizure.

00:09:58.269 --> 00:10:01.250
Once she has completed the seizure, another one

00:10:01.250 --> 00:10:04.090
of the most unnerving scenes in this episode,

00:10:04.509 --> 00:10:09.769
she gets the joined smile, and boy howdy, this

00:10:09.769 --> 00:10:12.269
is a character we haven't really seen smile,

00:10:12.409 --> 00:10:17.029
and now she has an all -knowing smile, and instantly

00:10:17.029 --> 00:10:20.889
I was terrified. We pick up with Carol and Zosia

00:10:20.889 --> 00:10:23.789
here as they're using some sort of satellite

00:10:23.789 --> 00:10:27.129
feed to track Manousos as he's coming in in his

00:10:27.129 --> 00:10:30.210
ambulance and it gives that same kind of slightly

00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:34.289
comedic but also slightly sinister vibe to it.

00:10:34.629 --> 00:10:38.389
We see Manousos pull up to Carol's cul -de -sac

00:10:38.389 --> 00:10:42.110
and again we have another slightly comedic scene

00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:45.429
where he's adjusting himself and tucking in his

00:10:45.429 --> 00:10:49.820
shirt and He doesn't go up to the door and knock

00:10:49.820 --> 00:10:51.899
on the door or ring the doorbell or anything

00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:54.980
like that. He stays outside and he just honks

00:10:54.980 --> 00:11:00.039
on the horn instead. And I thought that was pretty

00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.440
funny and kind of part and parcel for Manusso's

00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.759
character here. So Manusso honks his horn and

00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:13.000
we get a really cool almost like Wild West standoff

00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.019
as Carol comes out and we see these two characters

00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:18.059
meet each other for the first time. There's a

00:11:18.059 --> 00:11:21.419
really great pulled back establishing shot and

00:11:21.419 --> 00:11:25.720
it really exemplifies the gap between them, right?

00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:28.059
And we're going to see a gap between these two

00:11:28.059 --> 00:11:30.919
characters throughout this episode. We get a

00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.919
really great scene of them attempting to speak

00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.720
each other's languages. and they don't seem to

00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.799
meet in the middle while they're initially having

00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.080
their conversation, which I thought really shows

00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:43.500
where their relationship is going throughout

00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:47.019
this episode. I was also saying it illustrates

00:11:47.019 --> 00:11:50.580
how stubborn and hard -headed both of them are.

00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.600
We've watched them individually as stubborn,

00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:55.480
hard -headed people. We're like, yeah, that's

00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.220
great. And now you put two stubborn, hard -headed

00:11:58.220 --> 00:12:01.120
people in the same cul -de -sac together and

00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.220
we get a completely different experience. We

00:12:04.220 --> 00:12:06.820
really do. Yeah and to quite a bit of comedic

00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:10.539
effect Manusos delivers his mantra. I am Manusos

00:12:10.539 --> 00:12:15.120
Oviedo I am not one of them. I wish to save the

00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:19.340
world and Carol doesn't take that as I thought

00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:22.759
she might initially but she does decide to go

00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.080
back in and grab her cell phone and she comes

00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.100
out and she wants to utilize a translation app,

00:12:28.500 --> 00:12:31.940
but Manusos definitely does not like the fact

00:12:31.940 --> 00:12:36.200
that Carol is utilizing her phone. Oh, he's completely

00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.460
put off by it. I do want to note as well the

00:12:39.460 --> 00:12:43.620
number on the ambulance is 103, which is a prime

00:12:43.620 --> 00:12:47.259
number and indivisible number with one of our

00:12:47.259 --> 00:12:50.679
indivisible characters that we have here. Yeah,

00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:54.659
when she breaks out the phone and tries to use

00:12:54.659 --> 00:12:57.899
it as a translation device Manusos snatches it

00:12:57.899 --> 00:13:00.779
out of her hand and exclaims that they can hear

00:13:00.779 --> 00:13:03.700
us and they can hear our plan and they fumble

00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:06.899
back and forth until Manusos comes up with the

00:13:06.899 --> 00:13:09.899
brilliant idea apparently of dropping the phone

00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:13.059
into the sewer grate there in front of Carol's

00:13:13.059 --> 00:13:16.580
house what's funny again about the scene is that

00:13:16.580 --> 00:13:20.200
the app is still working so as they argue the

00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.789
app is continuing to translate And as Manousos

00:13:23.789 --> 00:13:27.009
has to retrieve it from the sewer grate, it's

00:13:27.009 --> 00:13:29.210
continuing to translate and it frustrates the

00:13:29.210 --> 00:13:31.970
both of them as it continues to simply just do

00:13:31.970 --> 00:13:38.590
its job. I love that so much as they are arguing

00:13:38.590 --> 00:13:42.789
over the sewer grate and the app continues to

00:13:42.789 --> 00:13:45.629
translate their argument to them back and forth.

00:13:45.889 --> 00:13:49.289
And of course, Carol, in her Carol ways, tells

00:13:49.289 --> 00:13:52.409
him to fuck right off and she storms back into

00:13:52.409 --> 00:13:55.049
the house. You can see Manousos is disappointed

00:13:55.049 --> 00:13:59.190
at this point and he wants to make amends. He'd

00:13:59.190 --> 00:14:01.710
made this arduous journey to get here. He doesn't

00:14:01.710 --> 00:14:05.649
want to fail because of a cell phone. I remember

00:14:05.649 --> 00:14:09.009
seeing the bumper for This segment that they

00:14:09.009 --> 00:14:11.710
used in the advertisement. It's so funny He has

00:14:11.710 --> 00:14:13.809
a childlike reaction when he pulls it out of

00:14:13.809 --> 00:14:17.370
the great like he's just won a prize from a game

00:14:17.370 --> 00:14:21.009
at the fair and the next shot we see is the fish

00:14:21.009 --> 00:14:24.590
-eye lens of the viewer in the door and He is

00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:26.289
recording a message into the phone essentially

00:14:26.289 --> 00:14:28.759
telling her Okay, you've won. We're not gonna

00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.360
go into the ambulance and speak, and I won't

00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.200
have my machete, but I'm not coming inside. I

00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.679
would rather meet you out in the desert behind

00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:40.179
your house, and I will have my umbrella. And

00:14:40.179 --> 00:14:42.600
her reaction to the recording of him having his

00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.840
umbrella was comedic shock at its best. And he

00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.580
brings out a pink umbrella. And the reason he

00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:51.980
brings out the umbrella is because he believes

00:14:51.980 --> 00:14:55.299
that they are utilizing satellites to spy on

00:14:55.299 --> 00:14:57.639
them, which they most certainly are. He's completely

00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.139
right in this scene. Well, they've told him as

00:15:00.139 --> 00:15:02.419
much, right? They said, if you ever need anything,

00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.240
just wave to the sky and we're there. And they

00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.159
have a conversation under the pink umbrella that

00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.639
is vital to every single episode in this show.

00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.039
I absolutely love that Menousos refers to the

00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.149
joined as... these weirdos. I think that's such

00:15:20.149 --> 00:15:24.049
an apt way and such a menusos way to approach

00:15:24.049 --> 00:15:26.929
the hive mind. Yeah, he insists that they are

00:15:26.929 --> 00:15:31.169
able to read lips from space. And he's not wrong.

00:15:31.710 --> 00:15:34.669
You mentioned before about how they aren't omnipotent.

00:15:34.690 --> 00:15:36.850
They aren't everywhere. So we should be able

00:15:36.850 --> 00:15:39.029
to get away with a handful of conversations without

00:15:39.029 --> 00:15:41.809
them absolutely knowing what we're talking about.

00:15:41.980 --> 00:15:45.259
I agree with you 100%. I'm deeply considering

00:15:45.259 --> 00:15:47.659
calling them weirdos from this point on rather

00:15:47.659 --> 00:15:50.720
than the joined. I believe my comment from our

00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.559
last episode was, I'm ready for you to bounce

00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.019
out of the house so I can get back to my whiteboard

00:15:56.019 --> 00:15:58.940
and continue to theorize about your weird ass.

00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:05.379
So I do agree with Menusos 110%. What we discover

00:16:05.379 --> 00:16:08.539
is Menusos... has a little bit of a different

00:16:08.539 --> 00:16:11.940
perspective on the joint than Carol does. And

00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:14.159
we also discover, or I did in this instance,

00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.679
that Carol actually has a different perspective

00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:21.100
on the joint than I believe she had. But he states

00:16:21.100 --> 00:16:24.679
that if they can't fix them, they are better

00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.620
off dead. And Carol insists that they are still

00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:31.840
human, and she has to reiterate, they are not

00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:36.279
evil. They won't even... hurt an ant. And Manusos

00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.779
says something very interesting. He says, and

00:16:38.779 --> 00:16:43.379
isn't it evil to value a man the same as an ant?

00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:47.759
Amazing line. Love that. Great line from Manusos.

00:16:48.059 --> 00:16:50.679
I don't know if I necessarily agree with it,

00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.980
but it definitely helps to further define his

00:16:53.980 --> 00:16:57.690
perspective. And Carol ends up using the same

00:16:57.690 --> 00:17:00.470
words that were used against her in episode two

00:17:00.470 --> 00:17:03.850
toward Manuso. She says, have you even tried

00:17:03.850 --> 00:17:06.630
talking to them? You might learn a thing or two.

00:17:06.769 --> 00:17:11.230
They can't lie. Did you know that? And he says,

00:17:11.650 --> 00:17:13.829
these are the same weirdos that abandoned you,

00:17:14.069 --> 00:17:18.180
right? And she says, yep, for 40 days. He's very

00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:20.319
good at his questions. And we find out later

00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.400
how good he is at his questions. But he asks

00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:27.099
now, why did they come back? And Carol doesn't

00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:29.400
answer him. She actually lies to him and says,

00:17:29.500 --> 00:17:33.619
I don't know. And again, for me, another instance

00:17:33.619 --> 00:17:37.819
where we find that Carol is siding with the joined

00:17:37.819 --> 00:17:41.019
or with her relationship with the joined by lying

00:17:41.019 --> 00:17:45.119
and saying, I don't know. I think it also indicates

00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.920
her extreme sense of guilt about her relationship

00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.240
with the joint by lying about this. And then

00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.200
she changes the subject as the joint does. And

00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.119
she says, why can't they pick an apple? She wants

00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.259
to change the subject very quickly because she

00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:03.180
doesn't want to talk about her intimacy with

00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:06.460
the joint. And she finally gets frustrated and

00:18:06.460 --> 00:18:10.220
she goes, this is el stupido. and she proceeds

00:18:10.220 --> 00:18:13.279
to go inside. And this leads us to our next moment

00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.079
where finally Menousos has caved and he's inside

00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.960
the house, but he's also very adamant about searching

00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.839
the house for any type of surveillance. Yeah,

00:18:24.859 --> 00:18:27.759
and we have another great interaction between

00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.920
Menousos and Carol as he's searching for bugs

00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.759
and he begins snapping his fingers at her. And

00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.839
of course, we know Carol by now. That's not gonna

00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.559
work. I'm laughing just even thinking about that

00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.119
scene because it's so funny. I think we all hoped

00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:46.619
that when they came together that we were going

00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:49.339
to get our super team, but it's very much not

00:18:49.339 --> 00:18:53.039
that way. And it's much more realistic when you

00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.400
have two stubborn people meeting for the first

00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.940
time. As he's searching throughout the house,

00:18:58.339 --> 00:19:01.299
another comedic scene, she asks, do you think

00:19:01.299 --> 00:19:05.089
they bugged me? And he said, Insects? What do

00:19:05.089 --> 00:19:08.529
insects have to do with this? Another great use

00:19:08.529 --> 00:19:11.869
of language, of course, in this show. But he

00:19:11.869 --> 00:19:14.170
continues searching and he gets to her liquor

00:19:14.170 --> 00:19:18.269
cabinet. And boy, I wish I stayed at Carol's

00:19:18.269 --> 00:19:20.690
house because she is stocked up, I tell you.

00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.960
But he does indeed find a little device and it

00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.279
was shot in such a fantastic way because a bottle

00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:30.019
was obstructing it initially and he slightly

00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.380
adjusts that bottle and the device comes into

00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:35.880
view and I just love, love, love how that was

00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.319
shot. Because not only do you see the bottle,

00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.619
the device and Manusos, but you also see Carol

00:19:41.619 --> 00:19:46.200
in the background as well. Again, wonderful cinematography

00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.579
here. And he thinks he's found his prey here.

00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.319
He thinks he's found that listening device and

00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:57.059
he gives it to Carol. And what does she do instantly?

00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.619
She falls back on her crutch of the weirdos,

00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.700
the joined, and she instantly calls Zosia. Of

00:20:03.700 --> 00:20:06.380
course we find out it was actually Helen all

00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:09.630
along. This is something that we have talked

00:20:09.630 --> 00:20:12.390
about throughout many episodes, the freezing

00:20:12.390 --> 00:20:14.730
of Carol's eggs, all the way back to that cold

00:20:14.730 --> 00:20:17.190
open where they were literally in a cold hotel.

00:20:17.849 --> 00:20:20.410
I felt like they needed to reiterate that for

00:20:20.410 --> 00:20:24.630
the big reveal later. I don't think it was much

00:20:24.630 --> 00:20:27.289
of a reveal, but we do find out that it was not

00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:31.970
a bug after all, and that it was placed by Helen.

00:20:32.690 --> 00:20:35.569
But Carol leaves. Manusos in the desert and walks

00:20:35.569 --> 00:20:37.849
through her backyard. We see Manusos sneak a

00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:39.849
peek at Helen's grave. So it's another piece

00:20:39.849 --> 00:20:42.150
of evidence that he's picking up, but he's also

00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:45.430
very smart. He doesn't bring things up in the

00:20:45.430 --> 00:20:48.009
moment. He holds onto them to bring them up later

00:20:48.009 --> 00:20:51.630
and use them to the best of their ability. And

00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:53.670
when he's rummaging through her house, trying

00:20:53.670 --> 00:20:57.630
to find surveillance, He blocks her from going

00:20:57.630 --> 00:21:00.690
to the bar at one moment, and she says, I don't

00:21:00.690 --> 00:21:03.349
know how guests behave in Paraguay, but here

00:21:03.349 --> 00:21:05.569
in Albuquerque, when you cock -block someone

00:21:05.569 --> 00:21:09.630
from their booze, it's un grande mistakeo. And

00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:13.369
I was like, goodness gracious, Carol. But this

00:21:13.369 --> 00:21:17.619
scene is important because it shows... Apparently,

00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:21.220
Carol has had a problem with drinking for a long

00:21:21.220 --> 00:21:25.660
period of her life and so much so her partner

00:21:25.660 --> 00:21:29.140
felt she needed to have a sensor in the liquor

00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:32.420
cabinet to determine how often the liquor cabinet

00:21:32.420 --> 00:21:35.880
was being opened when they were trying to harvest

00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.220
her eggs. It's another instance where we see

00:21:39.220 --> 00:21:44.000
Helen monitoring and managing Carol's life prior.

00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:46.799
to the joining and these little things sneak

00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:50.259
up on Carol after Helen's death here and then

00:21:50.259 --> 00:21:54.319
they definitely haunt her and once they get to

00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:56.599
a certain point in the conversation she simply

00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.940
turns to Manusos and she says I'm tired we can

00:21:59.940 --> 00:22:04.579
save the world manana and she snaps at him and

00:22:04.579 --> 00:22:07.779
points to the door and he very clearly gets it

00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:10.990
he smiles a little bit He puts his head down,

00:22:11.130 --> 00:22:13.650
and then he very swiftly walks out the front

00:22:13.650 --> 00:22:18.230
door. And it shows, in my opinion, respect, because

00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:20.869
the moment earlier when he snapped at her, she

00:22:20.869 --> 00:22:25.630
says, I don't speak snap. And I really like that,

00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:28.630
because snapping has always been a thing of respect

00:22:28.630 --> 00:22:32.269
in my life, that if anybody ever behaved that

00:22:32.269 --> 00:22:35.380
way, even to a child. highly, highly disrespectful.

00:22:35.539 --> 00:22:37.420
There's no reason to behave that way. You can

00:22:37.420 --> 00:22:40.920
communicate, and he very clearly does. He turns

00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.720
on the charm, he goes over to her, he very politely

00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.119
asks her, may I have the phone, please, and he

00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.099
smiles. And it's a little bit much, but it shows

00:22:49.099 --> 00:22:53.240
that he is... capable of communicating in a respectful

00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.319
way and that he's also willing to do so. He's

00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.680
also a very task oriented character. It seems

00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.119
like he's very much ready right now to get into

00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.480
the nitty gritty and how do we solve this problem.

00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:08.579
And the Carol that we're experiencing right now

00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:12.539
is absolutely not. She is very comfortable in

00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:17.279
her honeymoon mode with Zosia. So many of the

00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.420
audience members were saying, I can't stand Carol.

00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:23.599
Carol is so annoying. I never thought that throughout

00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.339
the series. I was always on the side of Carol

00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:30.019
and I enjoyed how she approached the world, even

00:23:30.019 --> 00:23:32.559
though it was from a bit of a curmudgeon. Maybe

00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.299
we're just two curmudgeons over here recording

00:23:35.299 --> 00:23:38.140
this podcast. I identified with Carol so much,

00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:43.079
right? That's hilarious. But this episode, this

00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:48.279
is the one where I was like, I do not like Carol

00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:50.700
in this moment. I do not like what Carol has

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:54.380
become now. And I think that is probably a bit

00:23:54.380 --> 00:23:57.119
purposeful, but this first scene with Manusos

00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.059
was the beginning of sort of my worries about

00:24:01.059 --> 00:24:04.839
Carol. In our last podcast, I mentioned how I

00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.519
had underestimated Carol time and time again,

00:24:07.619 --> 00:24:10.720
but we find out at the end of the last episode,

00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:14.970
they did win that charm offensive. And Carol

00:24:14.970 --> 00:24:18.269
has bought into these weirdos. And that's where

00:24:18.269 --> 00:24:21.609
my first disappointment with Carol had finally,

00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:25.309
finally come. After they have their conversation

00:24:25.309 --> 00:24:27.910
about the sensor found in the liquor cabinet,

00:24:28.349 --> 00:24:30.670
Manousos asks her, who are you speaking to on

00:24:30.670 --> 00:24:34.289
the phone? And she says, oh, the others, of course,

00:24:34.390 --> 00:24:36.950
who else would I be talking to? She even says

00:24:36.950 --> 00:24:38.890
at the end of the phone call was Zosia. I'll

00:24:38.890 --> 00:24:42.230
call you back later. Yeah. It also shows how

00:24:42.230 --> 00:24:47.109
much closer. she and Zosia have become and her

00:24:47.109 --> 00:24:49.150
perspective on the relationship that she has

00:24:49.150 --> 00:24:53.710
specifically with her Zosia. She takes Manousos

00:24:53.710 --> 00:24:56.170
next door over to the Wilson's house and lets

00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:58.529
him know that the house is fully stocked. You

00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:00.990
have bed sheets. You have towels. You're ready

00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.849
to go. And what do we get here? We get a classic

00:25:03.849 --> 00:25:07.130
Manousos. We get a, you don't own this house.

00:25:07.289 --> 00:25:09.829
I don't own this house. This is someone else's

00:25:09.829 --> 00:25:13.380
house. I will not stay here. And then she says,

00:25:13.940 --> 00:25:15.960
talk to me about that ambulance that you have

00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:20.940
outside. And by the way, you're welcome. Yeah,

00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:25.619
it shows some of the compromises that Manousos

00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:29.279
has made. The entire episode up to this point

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.619
has been Manousos making compromises with Carol

00:25:32.619 --> 00:25:36.000
in particular, just to achieve his goal. He still

00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.400
has his end goal in mind and seemingly Carol

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.259
has lost her end goal. She's really drinking

00:25:42.259 --> 00:25:45.220
the weirdos Kool -Aid. I really like saying the

00:25:45.220 --> 00:25:47.640
weirdos instead of the joint. I'm fully bought

00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.980
into that. And she has a really great carol line,

00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:54.279
a little carol -ism, if you will. My vodka is

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.599
getting warm. You're welcome. And she also mentions,

00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:01.220
if they return, I will get them back. Wouldn't

00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:04.900
that be a good problem to have? Yeah. And the

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:08.259
next cut scene we have is... Once again, Carol

00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:10.900
passed out on the couch. She has half a drink

00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:13.579
in her hand, and she's awakened when she drops

00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:16.160
that drink. I want to point out that we have

00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:19.480
a loop playing in the background of the DVD menu

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.660
of Golden Girls, just to remind everyone once

00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:26.960
again what a huge fan Carol and I are of Golden

00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.319
Girls. And I thought that was pretty funny. That's

00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.640
great. I love that. And what's funny is it's

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.400
just the first refrain of the song just repeated

00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.720
over and over again. What we saw after she exited

00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.200
the Wilson's house is that Manousos picks up

00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.960
the phone and doesn't just ask for one of the

00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.539
joint to come over and visit him. He says specifically,

00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:52.059
I would like Zosia to come over and visit me.

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.920
And this is where Carol looks out the window

00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:58.799
and sees Zosia's blue car parked in front of

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.119
Manny's house. and she runs directly over there

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:05.680
and bursts in through the front door. And again,

00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.259
Ray and her facial expressions, we see this look

00:27:09.259 --> 00:27:12.380
of surprise on her face, but not shock, just

00:27:12.380 --> 00:27:15.619
almost pleasant surprise that it's Zosia and

00:27:15.619 --> 00:27:17.700
Manny sitting on the couch, seemingly having

00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:21.200
a innocuous conversation. I thought this was

00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:25.619
so important. This is the first time. Menousos

00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:29.079
throughout the entire season has ever sat down

00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.380
and talked with one of the weirdos. And it's

00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:35.319
not from a station of weakness. It's not from

00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:40.079
a position of weakness. He would like to have

00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.920
as much information so that they can continue

00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.779
what he sees as their plan at this moment. Carol

00:27:47.779 --> 00:27:52.519
essentially commands Zosia to return to the house.

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.000
And we returned back with Carol and Zosia and

00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.019
Carol is having quite the fit. And again, this

00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:03.220
just is the next step for me and my disappointment

00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:06.759
in Carol. She has some really fantastic lines,

00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.079
really possessive lines. When she's talking to

00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.019
Zosia in this moment, she says things like, he's

00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.839
just a stranger. You're my chaperone. You're

00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.299
mine. And Zosia tries to reason with her and

00:28:19.299 --> 00:28:22.940
saying, Listen, we love him as much as we love

00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:28.039
you. And that hurts Carol to her core. That's

00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.819
the first little rupture that we see in this

00:28:30.819 --> 00:28:33.619
relationship. And she says, how, how can you

00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:37.140
love this stranger as much as you love me? Because

00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:40.480
she's become so possessive over Zosia to the

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.960
point where she's clouded herself in the fact

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.029
that she truly believes that. She has this relationship

00:28:47.029 --> 00:28:50.730
with Zosia. It shows the depth of her delusion,

00:28:50.970 --> 00:28:54.089
right? We've talked before about Lakshmi's delusion

00:28:54.089 --> 00:28:57.650
with her family. We've talked about Kumba's delusion

00:28:57.650 --> 00:29:01.569
with his fantasies. And now we have a carol who

00:29:01.569 --> 00:29:05.930
began as the anti -hero or hero, the one against

00:29:05.930 --> 00:29:09.809
the horde, the yellow jacket against the bees.

00:29:10.349 --> 00:29:12.789
And we thought very strongly about that. And

00:29:12.789 --> 00:29:15.599
we didn't think there... would be anything that

00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.799
they could offer her that would make her change

00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.819
her mind about who and what they are, until we

00:29:21.819 --> 00:29:25.519
have the pirate queen come in here. This is another

00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:27.839
one of the tremendous indications that Carol

00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.839
has sold out to the joint. She is so deluded,

00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.119
she honestly believes she's in a real relationship

00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:39.079
with Zosia, and that Zosia is quote unquote hers.

00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:44.549
And when Zosia says no, We love him equally and

00:29:44.549 --> 00:29:49.470
she says no you can't he's a stranger you and

00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:55.650
I have we you're mine you're my chaperone mine

00:29:55.650 --> 00:29:59.829
and Again it very much like a child mine mine

00:29:59.829 --> 00:30:03.789
mine Yeah, I feel the same disappointment that

00:30:03.789 --> 00:30:05.950
you might be talking about, but I certainly don't

00:30:05.950 --> 00:30:09.690
have disappointment in the episode, because the

00:30:09.690 --> 00:30:13.750
arc is still there. And I think it is as strong

00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:15.950
an episode as any other, but the disappointment

00:30:15.950 --> 00:30:19.170
most certainly is in, we didn't think that Carol

00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:21.849
would drink the Kool -Aid and fall for the ruse

00:30:21.849 --> 00:30:25.829
of the joint. And as she pulls Zosia out of where

00:30:25.829 --> 00:30:30.390
Manny is staying, we get to see on Manuso's face

00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:34.049
our feelings toward Carol in this moment. And

00:30:34.049 --> 00:30:37.910
he's looking at her with... disappointment and

00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:41.009
disgust. You're sleeping with the enemy and I

00:30:41.009 --> 00:30:43.970
know it and I'm disappointed and I'm disgusted.

00:30:45.309 --> 00:30:48.109
And that's really great. I'm glad you picked

00:30:48.109 --> 00:30:50.779
up on that because that's fantastic. When you

00:30:50.779 --> 00:30:53.119
go back to look at the episode look at his face

00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.519
because it's very much there And I'm not going

00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.359
to say that it colors his view of Carol from

00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.500
this point on it doesn't I don't think he's naturally

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:05.119
a judgy person anyway. He's a religious man He's

00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.319
an honorable man seemingly from what we've seen

00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.599
thus far Obviously the joint know more about

00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.799
him than we do and they are quite put off by

00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.559
him So we need to find out some more about his

00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:20.170
past to have a better understanding, but he I

00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:23.109
don't think holds it against her later, but in

00:31:23.109 --> 00:31:25.609
that moment in the discovering that she has been

00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:28.750
intimate with the joint, he is both disappointed

00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:34.049
and disgusted. And as Carol rips Zosia out of

00:31:34.049 --> 00:31:36.490
Manny's house, Manny immediately picks up the

00:31:36.490 --> 00:31:39.230
phone and says this. How sinister is this on

00:31:39.230 --> 00:31:45.019
his part? Send me another one. And I mean, not

00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:48.799
another person, may I speak to someone? It's

00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.839
a thing, send me another one. And I'm like, ooh,

00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:55.619
that adds that creep factor to it. And when they

00:31:55.619 --> 00:32:00.819
get back home, she starts to grill Zosia about

00:32:00.819 --> 00:32:04.680
what exactly did you tell Manny. As Carol is

00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.660
grilling Zosia, you can see the headlights of

00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:12.819
the second. joined, pull up next door as they

00:32:12.819 --> 00:32:16.660
flash through the shades of Carol's house. And

00:32:16.660 --> 00:32:20.259
Zosia says, well, he's very good with his questions

00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:23.660
and you know us, we're compelled to be honest

00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:26.440
with him. And she goes, no, you're compelled

00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.599
to be honest with me. So again, another pin to

00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.259
drop in the cup of disappointment where Carol

00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:37.559
truly believed that this was a unique relationship

00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.500
she had with Zosia and that the joint had changed

00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:43.740
in some strange way that allowed them to have

00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:46.940
this unique little relationship when in actuality

00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:49.700
Zosia probably had a very similar relationship

00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:53.140
like this with Kumba when she was with him and

00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:55.859
any of the other joint would with anyone else

00:32:55.859 --> 00:33:01.460
in the same way. Carol. Wake up. They're performative.

00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.359
They're not doing this on their behalf because

00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.839
they want to. They're doing it for you. They're

00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.319
doing it for Carol so that she feels all the

00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.319
things that she wants to and needs to feel. And

00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.660
this is just another crack in that facade of

00:33:17.660 --> 00:33:19.759
the lie that she's been telling herself over

00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.440
the last 12 to 14 days with Zosia. Now we have

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.380
the guilt and the things she didn't want to have

00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:29.079
come out about her relationship with the joint.

00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.680
And I think that should be also telling to her,

00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:34.319
you shouldn't feel this guilt. You should be

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.539
more like Kumbha and be like, no, I love it.

00:33:36.579 --> 00:33:38.819
I revel in it. I love being with these people.

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.240
But instead she has a tremendous amount of guilt

00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.500
there. And I think that's her subconscious telling

00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:47.240
her it's wrong to try and have this fake relationship

00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.339
with Zosia. And this pulls us perfectly into

00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:56.630
The next sequence as Zosia gets up and calmly

00:33:56.630 --> 00:33:59.750
lays down on the ground and says something is

00:33:59.750 --> 00:34:03.430
about to happen. And we discover later that she

00:34:03.430 --> 00:34:07.210
says, he did warn us beforehand. So therefore

00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:10.110
Zosia knew. And it takes Carol a moment to sort

00:34:10.110 --> 00:34:11.789
of figure out what's going on. She's like, I

00:34:11.789 --> 00:34:14.309
didn't do anything. And then she realizes, oh

00:34:14.309 --> 00:34:18.920
no. but she does run back over to Manny's temporary

00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.539
home and infiltrates what might be causing the

00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:26.900
joint to have another seizure. We find Manusos

00:34:26.900 --> 00:34:32.380
here with Rick and he's essentially experimenting

00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:37.539
with them and we have one of our theories confirmed

00:34:37.539 --> 00:34:41.289
finally and I was so happy about that. you know,

00:34:41.550 --> 00:34:44.829
E. Pluribus Unum called that one pretty hard.

00:34:45.289 --> 00:34:47.010
I'm going to say Josh nailed it. That's what

00:34:47.010 --> 00:34:49.929
I'm going to say. Oh, okay. I'll take the credit.

00:34:50.210 --> 00:34:53.309
I'll take it. Carol comes in and she is obviously

00:34:53.309 --> 00:34:57.969
distraught by what has happened with Zosia. And

00:34:57.969 --> 00:35:00.409
she even says, you don't know how many people

00:35:00.409 --> 00:35:03.309
you just killed because she has no idea that

00:35:03.309 --> 00:35:06.190
he gave them any sort of warning. but he runs

00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:09.050
out back to his ambulance and he opens up his

00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:12.969
backpack and pulls out the radio then he has

00:35:12.969 --> 00:35:18.789
in there and he turns it to 8 .613. We hear that

00:35:18.789 --> 00:35:21.389
there is very much something going on on that

00:35:21.389 --> 00:35:25.070
frequency now. I think we have it confirmed that

00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:29.949
specific frequency is likely what they're using

00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:33.349
to communicate. That's likely the psychic glue

00:35:33.349 --> 00:35:35.989
that holds them all together. And I think that's

00:35:35.989 --> 00:35:39.050
going to be a pretty big weapon for our protagonist

00:35:39.050 --> 00:35:42.650
as we move on into season two here. But as he

00:35:42.650 --> 00:35:46.309
comes back in, we find that the seizures across

00:35:46.309 --> 00:35:53.590
the weirdos has essentially ceased and Now, in

00:35:53.590 --> 00:35:56.989
another fantastic comedic portion, and this is

00:35:56.989 --> 00:36:00.130
one not only me but my partner laughed out loud

00:36:00.130 --> 00:36:04.110
at, as Minuso sees him coming out of these seizures,

00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:07.170
he bends over the couch that Rick is laying on

00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:12.550
and just screams right into his face. Yeah, you're

00:36:12.550 --> 00:36:16.170
adding comedy to a situation that's highly tense

00:36:16.170 --> 00:36:20.349
and intense and... I honestly believe that because

00:36:20.349 --> 00:36:23.289
Carol is so deluded in this moment. She can't

00:36:23.289 --> 00:36:26.010
see what he's trying to do I would think that

00:36:26.010 --> 00:36:28.349
the Carol even from the previous episode would

00:36:28.349 --> 00:36:31.690
see oh you're trying something you're trying

00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:34.809
to snap them out of it and it reminded me of

00:36:34.809 --> 00:36:37.900
my theory from the last episode that Could it

00:36:37.900 --> 00:36:41.659
possibly be Carol's love that would bring a character

00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.440
out of the joined and back to their individual

00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.739
state? And now we have Manny experimenting in

00:36:47.739 --> 00:36:51.099
a way to say, is it this signal? Can I infiltrate

00:36:51.099 --> 00:36:54.519
this signal in a way to get them maybe off of

00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.880
the signal and bring them back? And you can hear

00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.769
him. Try to be so compelling in Rick's ear to

00:37:01.769 --> 00:37:04.269
come back. You know that this is the right thing.

00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:06.469
I know that you're in there. Come back. It's

00:37:06.469 --> 00:37:08.090
almost like you're speaking to a person who's

00:37:08.090 --> 00:37:10.530
in a coma and you're just trying to convince

00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:13.869
them to return to the conscious world and he's

00:37:13.869 --> 00:37:16.489
doing his very best and you can clearly see the

00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:21.730
8 .613 and there is some sort of sound or signal

00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:26.480
or almost a voice coming across and I was hoping

00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.900
now, because I'd mentioned in an earlier episode

00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:31.639
of E Pluribus Unum, I want to see someone turned

00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.579
from the joined to being immune. And what do

00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:37.820
I get instead? I think, you know, Vince is rubbing

00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:40.099
this in my face a little bit. We get someone

00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:43.539
who was immune, who is now joined in the very

00:37:43.539 --> 00:37:46.619
opening sequence. And I was hoping to get that

00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:49.019
little bit of a twist here with Rick. But, you

00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:53.139
know, Carol has has other thoughts. She does

00:37:53.139 --> 00:37:56.730
indeed. We see that Carol did not go back for

00:37:56.730 --> 00:38:00.789
Zosia. She went back for the shotgun. You have

00:38:00.789 --> 00:38:03.349
him crouched over Rick, trying to compel him

00:38:03.349 --> 00:38:06.090
to come back, and you just get this huge shotgun

00:38:06.090 --> 00:38:09.730
blast, and you get this great angled shot of

00:38:09.730 --> 00:38:12.969
Carol holding the shotgun, re -cocking it, and

00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:16.869
saying, back away, now. And it was like she was

00:38:16.869 --> 00:38:20.179
in an action film. I was like, yeah, let's go.

00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.420
But once again, she's kind of fighting for the

00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:26.380
wrong side here. She's so deluded and blind,

00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:30.119
frankly, she can't see what he's trying to do.

00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:33.000
But she's not clearly seeing that he is trying

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.619
to experiment with Rick to see if he can't get

00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:41.159
him to turn. And he's not doing it violently.

00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:45.079
He's not injecting him with anything. He's not

00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.880
torturing him. He just... scared him significantly,

00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.559
causing him to seize. He was even able to bring

00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.440
him out of his seizure by bringing the ham radio

00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.599
and playing the frequency from 8 .613. And it

00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.159
was him yelling back in Rick's face that brought

00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.849
Rick back into... That catatonic state or that

00:39:05.849 --> 00:39:08.809
seizure state and I was fully ready for Rick

00:39:08.809 --> 00:39:12.050
to come back and in fact I was dreaming of alternate

00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:15.110
universe where it's actually Larry Lying on the

00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:17.250
couch there and we would actually get Larry back

00:39:17.250 --> 00:39:20.289
So another shout out to my true favorite character

00:39:20.289 --> 00:39:23.269
Larry here But after she fires off the shotgun

00:39:23.269 --> 00:39:26.349
and tells him to stop we get a quick break where

00:39:26.349 --> 00:39:29.570
she goes back to Visit Zosia and bring her out

00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:33.110
of her stupor. She lets her sit off and Carol

00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:34.750
says can I get anything for you and she says

00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:38.769
yeah can I have some water and I want to think

00:39:38.769 --> 00:39:43.489
that water is also quite important in this show

00:39:43.489 --> 00:39:47.630
because you can see just how exhausted Zosia

00:39:47.630 --> 00:39:51.190
is from experiencing that seizure and I want

00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.550
to think there might be something else going

00:39:53.550 --> 00:39:57.550
on in that because she also sort of scarfs down

00:39:57.550 --> 00:39:59.789
the water and Carol has to tell her slow down

00:39:59.789 --> 00:40:03.599
it's okay. Want to think water has something

00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.619
to do with it. I can't say for sure, but I do

00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:09.300
want to throw that in there and Zosia also when

00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:11.840
she awakens from her stupor, she doesn't say

00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.539
can I have some water? She said could we have

00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:19.019
some water so she's fully back into the joined

00:40:19.019 --> 00:40:22.139
against my theory of the more that we dig into

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:26.000
her individuality and the more that Carol applies

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.679
love to Zosia that the real Zosia could and would

00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.820
come back to us as an individual, but she does

00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:36.059
say, I will be fine. And we hear the phone ring

00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:38.059
in the background and she says, are you going

00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.260
to answer that? And she goes, we both know who

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:44.519
that is. And eventually once she gets Zosia settled,

00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:47.300
she does pick up the phone and she's like, uh

00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:51.579
-huh. Yeah. Um, well, it wasn't me this time

00:40:51.579 --> 00:40:55.360
and screw you too, Lakshmi. and hangs up the

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.420
phone. So we get to have a little Lakshmi joke

00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:00.840
dropped in here before we conclude this season.

00:41:02.860 --> 00:41:05.860
As our resident Lakshmi lover, I wish we got

00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:08.719
to see a little bit more, honestly, of Lakshmi,

00:41:08.739 --> 00:41:11.619
maybe see her in person. As soon as the phone

00:41:11.619 --> 00:41:15.039
rang, we all knew who was calling over there.

00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.099
Zosia tells Carol, you know what we have to do,

00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.679
right? And we all know. what they have to do

00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.380
at this point. They have to flee from Manusos

00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:28.679
because he is utilizing their weakness against

00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.280
them. So that's the only thing that they really

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.800
can do at this point. And Zosha even asked Carol

00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:38.039
here, what have you done with Manusos? Where's

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.860
Manusos? And Carol says something like, Oh, don't

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:43.559
worry about him. He's in a, he's in a safe space

00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.760
for right now. Then we find Manusos as she opens

00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.760
up the trunk to her Rolls Royce. is in there.

00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:54.059
Not only is he sitting in the trunk here, he's

00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:57.440
got his arms crossed as if he is a disappointed

00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.059
parent scolding his child or something like that.

00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.360
I absolutely adored that. Another scene where

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:07.480
I laughed out loud. She does explain to him that,

00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:10.880
well, now you've done it, so to speak. The joint

00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.219
have now left the whole of Albuquerque. All of

00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:17.440
the population has left. And he says, so what?

00:42:17.900 --> 00:42:21.960
It was worth it. Now I know much more. You were

00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.159
right. I think there is a way to put things back

00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.579
in their place. Now the work begins. Again, vital,

00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:32.639
few words here, but vital to the episode and

00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.920
vital to the season as a whole. Fantastic line

00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.099
from Menusos as the scene ends and we move into

00:42:40.099 --> 00:42:45.619
act three and Carol is seemingly hopping in her

00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:50.099
Rolls Royce to go and join. the joined, joined

00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:55.440
the weirdos. And before she closes the door,

00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:59.079
he says, do you want to save the world or get

00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.500
the girl? And Carol closes the door and drives

00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:06.840
away. That leads us to the title of our episode,

00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.019
but it also shows how pertinent that line is

00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:13.920
to the series as a whole. He sees that she has

00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:18.730
fallen for The ways of the join he sees that

00:43:18.730 --> 00:43:21.570
she's not the person that he saw in that video

00:43:21.570 --> 00:43:25.809
30 plus days earlier and he understands it also

00:43:25.809 --> 00:43:29.369
You do have a very clear choice here Do you want

00:43:29.369 --> 00:43:32.170
to save the world or do you want to get the girl?

00:43:32.449 --> 00:43:34.630
Because he can see how passionate she is about

00:43:34.630 --> 00:43:38.070
our relationship with Zosia She still ignores

00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:40.630
him. She gets in the car. She drives away. And

00:43:40.630 --> 00:43:42.969
in the background, you even see that trail of

00:43:42.969 --> 00:43:46.530
tail lights as the joined are leaving Albuquerque.

00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:51.190
Yeah. So this leads us pretty well into act three.

00:43:51.489 --> 00:43:54.130
I guess you can call it the honeymoon. This is

00:43:54.130 --> 00:43:59.269
again, I think where my disappointment in Carol

00:43:59.269 --> 00:44:04.389
really settled in. Um, there is a, a really fantastic.

00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.699
part at the beginning that I loved though. I'll

00:44:07.699 --> 00:44:11.019
say this. Zosia's in the, in a pool swimming

00:44:11.019 --> 00:44:14.739
in some scenic location and Carol is reading

00:44:14.739 --> 00:44:17.500
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin.

00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:24.860
This is such a fantastic sci -fi novel. It was

00:44:24.860 --> 00:44:27.800
immaculate to me when I initially read it and

00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.760
it goes in so well with this show, not only with

00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.610
how the society is established within the Left

00:44:35.610 --> 00:44:39.489
Hand of Darkness, but also the gender fluidity.

00:44:40.190 --> 00:44:45.570
And it just shows how Ursula Le Guin is truly

00:44:45.570 --> 00:44:49.409
decades ahead of her time. So I truly, truly

00:44:49.409 --> 00:44:52.489
adored that portion. The Left Hand of Darkness,

00:44:52.809 --> 00:44:57.130
published in 1969. It is a novel about a human

00:44:57.130 --> 00:44:59.750
ambassador's complicated relationship with a

00:44:59.750 --> 00:45:06.070
gender fluid alien species. and Carol is seeking

00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:10.030
literary justification for her interspecies romance

00:45:10.030 --> 00:45:15.349
with Zosia. I could see that being a very comforting

00:45:15.349 --> 00:45:19.710
read, I think, for Carol in this time. But we

00:45:19.710 --> 00:45:23.369
get pretty much a montage really of Carol and

00:45:23.369 --> 00:45:26.909
Zosia having this wonderful honeymoon where they're

00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:30.829
on beaches, they're going to ski resorts and

00:45:30.829 --> 00:45:33.829
a really great little subtle portion here when

00:45:33.829 --> 00:45:37.349
they hop off of the ski lift and it just ceases

00:45:37.349 --> 00:45:40.110
to move at that point. It's really only there

00:45:40.110 --> 00:45:43.250
for them. It's not only them, it's really only

00:45:43.250 --> 00:45:48.210
there for Carol. You know, one visual detail

00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:51.530
I want to point out in this montage scene, they

00:45:51.530 --> 00:45:54.929
do exit that ski lift and when they do, they

00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:59.170
do a close up on Zosia's ski boots and they are

00:45:59.170 --> 00:46:02.030
locked together. That is essentially what we're

00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:05.829
seeing with Zosia and Carol as they go on this

00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:08.590
honeymoon. And as you mentioned before, we do

00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:12.679
have the same type of color structure we saw

00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:15.960
in the cold open. In fact, we have Zosia wearing

00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.960
a red jacket and wearing blue pants, red and

00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.619
blue, purple. We see Carol wearing red and blue

00:46:24.619 --> 00:46:27.420
and later on we even see the color of her socks

00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:30.820
are blue that go into sort of a pink as we had

00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:34.820
seen before with Kusumayu falling back onto the

00:46:34.820 --> 00:46:38.679
pink blanket and then the pink umbrella. that

00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.679
Menousos and Carol use in the desert. So I think

00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.139
what both purple and pink may signify on the

00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:49.860
show here is the blending of either the faction

00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:53.800
against the joined and the trepidation and doubt

00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.920
they have about that relationship, and then also

00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.820
the mixing of the immune and the joined, the

00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:06.139
red. and the blue making that purple and we have

00:47:06.139 --> 00:47:10.500
that blend. But what's significant is this. We

00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.900
still have Zosia with a red jacket and blue pants.

00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:20.739
We still have Carol draped and. of a blue with

00:47:20.739 --> 00:47:23.679
the rainbow sock. So we don't have the full blend

00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.000
into a solid purple where she has fully been

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.860
taken into the joint. And I think this scene

00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:35.860
here at the chalet really clearly illustrates

00:47:35.860 --> 00:47:39.119
that and really starts to ramp things up. And

00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:43.840
this is where my disappointment started to wane

00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.929
both with her diluted relationship that she has

00:47:47.929 --> 00:47:53.250
with this person Zosia and we have a very important

00:47:53.250 --> 00:47:56.489
conversation between Carol and Zosia not just

00:47:56.489 --> 00:47:58.610
about the implications of their relationship

00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:02.710
but the nature of the relationship and how this

00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.619
pulls the scales away from Carol's eyes and the

00:48:06.619 --> 00:48:10.099
truth is revealed that she has diluted herself.

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.480
And now she finds herself in the true reality

00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.820
and the true nature of the relationship that

00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:20.500
she has with Zosia and the joint. And she's truly

00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:26.159
bought in to these weirdos. She has seemingly

00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:30.409
almost gone the way of Kumba and I had taken

00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:33.909
in that happiness, but of course things take

00:48:33.909 --> 00:48:36.889
quite a turn as this conversation continues.

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:40.630
But man, the first thing that I thought of when

00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:45.610
this conversation happened was, wow, did we nail

00:48:45.610 --> 00:48:48.809
it on our episode where she goes to Las Vegas?

00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:53.429
We are literally talking about how Kumba utilizes

00:48:53.429 --> 00:48:58.909
the hive mind as his dopamine inducer. So much

00:48:58.909 --> 00:49:01.809
of this episode was calling out a lot of our

00:49:01.809 --> 00:49:04.349
theories that were correct in the end, and I

00:49:04.349 --> 00:49:07.150
was incredibly happy about that. But this conversation

00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:11.969
is fantastic. Absolutely. I would love to take

00:49:11.969 --> 00:49:16.010
just a half a step back for just a moment. We

00:49:16.010 --> 00:49:20.250
also get further insight into Carol herself as

00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:23.530
a person. We get to see her bad side. Can I say

00:49:23.530 --> 00:49:26.849
that? And as much as people may have not appreciated

00:49:26.849 --> 00:49:30.389
her view on life before this, what we see in

00:49:30.389 --> 00:49:34.929
this episode is the petulant child. We see the

00:49:34.929 --> 00:49:39.269
spoiled person. We see the person who lies to

00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:42.530
themselves. We see the person who compromises

00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:45.929
themselves and compromises their, I don't want

00:49:45.929 --> 00:49:48.610
to say morals, but their thought process in the

00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:51.150
world that they're standing in. I think the reason

00:49:51.150 --> 00:49:53.590
that the montage is so important is because it

00:49:53.590 --> 00:49:56.389
lands on her sitting on the couch, seemingly

00:49:56.389 --> 00:50:00.110
in utopia. She's had this marvelous experience

00:50:00.110 --> 00:50:02.389
of traveling the world and going to these beautiful

00:50:02.389 --> 00:50:05.329
places and spending this time with a person that

00:50:05.329 --> 00:50:09.090
I believe she now loves. And she's sitting in

00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:13.349
this chalet and guess what? She says, man, I'm

00:50:13.349 --> 00:50:18.809
sorry. I am just not good at feeling good. It's

00:50:18.809 --> 00:50:20.769
not even that she's discovered this for herself

00:50:20.769 --> 00:50:23.809
in this moment She's always known this because

00:50:23.809 --> 00:50:27.570
the questions she asks as she's in this utopian

00:50:27.570 --> 00:50:31.429
Moment with her partner that she loves was there

00:50:31.429 --> 00:50:36.610
somebody before me when you were not joined she's

00:50:36.610 --> 00:50:40.670
not concerned with Zosia even or the Hive mind

00:50:40.670 --> 00:50:43.429
she's concerned with another person that had

00:50:43.429 --> 00:50:49.210
Zosia before she did jealousy and negative feelings

00:50:49.210 --> 00:50:51.829
that I haven't seen in Carol yet, but they are

00:50:51.829 --> 00:50:54.010
on full display in this episode, and I can see

00:50:54.010 --> 00:50:56.570
why that rubs people the wrong way, but I think

00:50:56.570 --> 00:51:00.050
it's vitally important that we do see the not

00:51:00.050 --> 00:51:02.130
-so -good side of Carol, and frankly, the not

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:04.210
-so -good side of Manny as well. We've really

00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:07.150
put him up on a pedestal, and in this episode,

00:51:07.230 --> 00:51:10.650
we can see that he can go dark, but she can't

00:51:10.650 --> 00:51:13.070
even enjoy this utopian moment with her partner.

00:51:13.269 --> 00:51:17.449
Man, I'm sorry that I'm not... good at just feeling

00:51:17.449 --> 00:51:21.469
good. And then she asks specifically, like she

00:51:21.469 --> 00:51:24.550
wants to ask Google, what are those chemicals

00:51:24.550 --> 00:51:26.630
that swim in my brain that make me feel this

00:51:26.630 --> 00:51:29.750
way? And this is a double -sided coin here, too.

00:51:29.769 --> 00:51:32.429
She's not only asking because she wants to know,

00:51:32.670 --> 00:51:37.050
she's also helping to illustrate to the audience

00:51:37.050 --> 00:51:41.170
what could potentially be the drug inside of

00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:45.440
the joint that make them so darn happy. and them

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.380
so darn accepting of the situation because they're

00:51:48.380 --> 00:51:51.820
swimming in serotonin and dopamine and oxytocin

00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:55.179
and of course Zosia is very happy to jump into.

00:51:55.340 --> 00:51:58.039
Fun fact. And I'm like, oh my gosh, we're back

00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:01.019
to square one again, even after this long honeymoon.

00:52:01.539 --> 00:52:05.679
And what does Zosia say? And it only gets better.

00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.579
And Carol says better. You're not talking about

00:52:10.579 --> 00:52:13.849
the joining, are you? And then she really gets

00:52:13.849 --> 00:52:17.250
nervous. She immediately jumps from the joining

00:52:17.250 --> 00:52:21.250
to, but you said, you can't stick this giant

00:52:21.250 --> 00:52:24.869
needle in my ass and take my stem cells, right?

00:52:25.949 --> 00:52:30.630
And it's so vital because it's another non -answer

00:52:30.630 --> 00:52:34.010
from Zosia here. And even Carol calls it, Carol's

00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:36.090
now seeing it. She's like, if you had an answer,

00:52:36.210 --> 00:52:39.510
you would have told me immediately. And this

00:52:39.610 --> 00:52:43.329
becomes the most important shot in this episode,

00:52:43.409 --> 00:52:47.269
and I would hasten to say this is the most important

00:52:47.269 --> 00:52:50.010
shot in the entire series because it's the only

00:52:50.010 --> 00:52:54.929
time that it happens. The next shot is a Wes

00:52:54.929 --> 00:52:58.969
Anderson, fully blocked, clear, straight, center

00:52:58.969 --> 00:53:02.489
shot of Carol's face, of Ray Seehorn's face.

00:53:03.170 --> 00:53:06.989
She's looking down, she looks up, directly into

00:53:06.989 --> 00:53:11.539
the camera, and she says, My eggs. The ones I

00:53:11.539 --> 00:53:16.239
froze with Helen. You have them, don't you? What

00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:21.719
a gut punch. My heart just sank. This had to

00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.199
happen. This had to happen at some point where

00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.239
she finally has the revelation that this fantasy

00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.780
she's in is not real. And here it is. And it

00:53:31.780 --> 00:53:35.579
just hit her like a Mack truck. And Zosia says,

00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:41.639
we do. So again, here's a excellent example of

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:47.880
how duplicitous and ignorant and evangelical

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.079
that the joint are that behind her back, they

00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.099
would take her eggs and use them. You have to

00:53:57.099 --> 00:53:59.579
destroy them essentially to create these stem

00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:01.539
cells. And she talks about how difficult it is,

00:54:01.539 --> 00:54:05.039
but they're willing to do that all the while,

00:54:05.139 --> 00:54:08.440
while Zosia is courting her. and taking her around

00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:13.780
the world. It was simultaneously disgusting and

00:54:13.780 --> 00:54:18.639
shocking and irritating, but then it also, for

00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:23.000
me, fully washed away the disappointment I had

00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.300
in Carol because now our Carol is back. On initial

00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:32.400
watch, the first half of the conversation I truly

00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.940
adored. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. And

00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:39.420
then I think when it came to the quote unquote

00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:42.340
Wes Anderson shot where she stares into the camera,

00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.679
that was where it lost me a little bit. I thought

00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:50.059
it was so on the nose, but quite honestly, hearing

00:54:50.059 --> 00:54:53.440
you talk about it made me like it more. So I

00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.320
think, yeah, you're right at the beginning of

00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.659
our episode here. I am coming around a little

00:54:58.659 --> 00:55:02.110
bit to lessen my disappointment a little bit.

00:55:02.130 --> 00:55:06.369
I thought it was the most on the nose that this

00:55:06.369 --> 00:55:10.690
series has been up until this episode. But now,

00:55:10.690 --> 00:55:13.369
hearing you talking about it, I think it has

00:55:13.369 --> 00:55:17.829
a point, right? Yeah, I mean, as Amy pointed

00:55:17.829 --> 00:55:22.349
out in the cold, cold open, where we first learn

00:55:22.349 --> 00:55:26.030
about her eggs being frozen, it wasn't a throwaway

00:55:26.030 --> 00:55:28.570
line. There are no throwaway lines in this series.

00:55:28.940 --> 00:55:32.039
And it definitely called back. And you're right,

00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.820
as far as the on the nose stuff. But perhaps

00:55:34.820 --> 00:55:38.159
for certain audience members, it's a really good

00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.500
idea that we go to the liquor cabinet. We find

00:55:41.500 --> 00:55:44.340
that there's a device there placed by Helen because

00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:46.440
they were trying to harvest her eggs and she

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.119
was concerned about her drinking, hint, hint.

00:55:49.219 --> 00:55:53.539
And we get back here. where it is confirmed that

00:55:53.539 --> 00:55:57.119
the joint are experimenting on her eggs. And

00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.800
they also confess in this conversation that at

00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.480
that point, because of their stupid, and I'm

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.179
gonna just call it that, stupid biological imperative,

00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:09.500
or the lie in their philosophy. Stupido, I think,

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:12.900
is what we're saying now. They're not going to

00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:16.360
offer Carol the opportunity not to be joined.

00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.480
She goes, how long do I have? And Zocha confesses

00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.019
about a month, hopefully not more than two or

00:56:24.019 --> 00:56:26.900
three, because she's so hopeful that she wants

00:56:26.900 --> 00:56:31.519
to turn Carol. And in fact, Kusumayu's family

00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.679
in the very opening sequence say, look how blue

00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:39.360
the sky is. It's a very hopeful day. And it just

00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.619
comes all the way back around. Their hope is...

00:56:43.730 --> 00:56:47.730
domination. Their hope isn't joy or love or any

00:56:47.730 --> 00:56:50.989
of these other things and here's where an extremely

00:56:50.989 --> 00:56:54.630
important key line gets dropped. Carol says,

00:56:55.750 --> 00:57:01.389
if you loved me you would not do this. So again

00:57:01.389 --> 00:57:03.969
the the last thread of her belief in the true

00:57:03.969 --> 00:57:06.389
love that she had was Zosha I think is broken

00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:10.969
here when she says you told me you would leave

00:57:10.969 --> 00:57:13.849
me alone I told you I didn't want to do this

00:57:13.849 --> 00:57:16.909
and yet here you are doing it anyway if you loved

00:57:16.909 --> 00:57:20.969
me you would not do this and What does Zosha

00:57:20.969 --> 00:57:24.510
say she says understand we have to do this because

00:57:24.510 --> 00:57:29.150
we love you because I love you. Oh you manipulative

00:57:29.150 --> 00:57:32.460
bee You're gonna throw that one in there, and

00:57:32.460 --> 00:57:35.679
that was it. You could see Ray Seehorn's face

00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:39.059
and her expression just drop, and she was done

00:57:39.059 --> 00:57:41.539
in that moment. If she could have gotten in her

00:57:41.539 --> 00:57:43.619
Rolls Royce and driven away at that moment, she

00:57:43.619 --> 00:57:46.559
totally would have, but the look on her face

00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:50.039
is beyond priceless. She's finally realized she

00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.579
had bought in or been fooled by the joint and

00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:56.800
now can see past that, and she doesn't want it

00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:01.079
any longer. The ending of that conversation is

00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:04.300
just so heart -wrenching. If you loved me, you

00:58:04.300 --> 00:58:07.739
would not do this. Oh my goodness, Ray, you did

00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:10.840
it again. Oh boy. That one hit me pretty hard.

00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.300
It's tough because we needed this journey to

00:58:14.300 --> 00:58:19.719
happen, right? We needed this Carol positioning

00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.099
herself with the joined and coming back to what

00:58:24.099 --> 00:58:26.519
I consider our side or the good guy's side or

00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.320
Manuso's side. Well, I love it when we can change

00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:32.639
each other's minds because we do have other episodes

00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.480
where you'll bring something up and either I

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.360
didn't catch that or you've convinced me otherwise.

00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.880
I'll go back all the way to the Soylent Green

00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.860
issue and how we have to change our line of thinking

00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:47.139
in the way that we see things. Honestly, I'm

00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:49.559
glad because the last thing that anybody wants

00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.239
to do is be nine episodes invested into a show,

00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.500
watch the final episode and go, oh, I am left

00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:59.980
with a bad taste in my mouth. If this were the

00:58:59.980 --> 00:59:02.760
penultimate episode, I would be very happy with

00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.960
it. But to leave us on an episode where the conclusion

00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.360
is Carol going back to where she's always been

00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:16.519
was a disappointment for me. We had this series

00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:21.139
launch not with one episode, but with two. He

00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:24.800
wanted to work really hard to lay the groundwork

00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.409
for This show and in fact not once but twice

00:59:29.409 --> 00:59:34.510
they speed up the release of two episodes When

00:59:34.510 --> 00:59:38.489
we take these last two episodes that in my opinion

00:59:38.489 --> 00:59:41.570
are actually married I'm going to say that episode

00:59:41.570 --> 00:59:45.469
eight and nine are one episode The first episode

00:59:45.469 --> 00:59:49.590
is the persuasive episode it is the tantalizing

00:59:49.590 --> 00:59:53.889
episode it is the one where we've dangled enough

00:59:53.889 --> 00:59:57.599
carrots in front of Carol, in order to get her

00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.539
to come our way, and even at the very end when

01:00:00.539 --> 01:00:03.380
it seems like she might slip away, they use their

01:00:03.380 --> 01:00:07.559
final weapon, which is Zosia. That's the first

01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:12.420
half of the episode. The second half is the quintessential

01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:16.780
hero's story. What does the hero first do when

01:00:16.780 --> 01:00:20.929
brought to a challenge? They say no. I'm not

01:00:20.929 --> 01:00:22.929
going to leave the village and slay the dragon.

01:00:23.889 --> 01:00:26.949
This is the second half of that for Carol where

01:00:26.949 --> 01:00:30.949
she has said, you know what? No, if Kumba can

01:00:30.949 --> 01:00:33.849
do it and Lakshmi can do it and I can find comfort

01:00:33.849 --> 01:00:37.489
in it, whether playing golf alone or having what

01:00:37.489 --> 01:00:40.730
could seem to be a real relationship with this

01:00:40.730 --> 01:00:44.070
person, Zosia, then I'm going to do that. And

01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:47.030
why not? you know prior to that she was abused

01:00:47.030 --> 01:00:50.449
where she was left alone for 40 days and that

01:00:50.449 --> 01:00:53.289
punishment was so severe on her it literally

01:00:53.289 --> 01:00:57.909
brought out the worst in carol the jealousy the

01:00:57.909 --> 01:01:04.079
anger the guilt and Through that, she now discovers

01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.780
that the path she had taken with Zosia was the

01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:10.420
wrong path for all of the wrong reasons. And

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:13.559
so she needed that catharsis. She needed, as

01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.800
I think you mentioned earlier, actually, she

01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.980
needed to go through this second version of the

01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:22.199
gauntlet in order for her to firmly land on her

01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.420
feet and have no doubt. about the direction that

01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:28.119
she's going. She can't have her mind clouded

01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.420
with the dreams of having a relationship with

01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:33.960
Zosia and fight the joined at the same time.

01:01:34.260 --> 01:01:36.940
And this really solidified it when they went

01:01:36.940 --> 01:01:40.239
behind her back and stole her eggs in order to

01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:43.360
force her to become a joined, even though they

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.159
said they wouldn't do either. We're not even

01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:51.320
just talking about physical pain. Even the family

01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.219
at the beginning in the cold open says we would

01:01:53.219 --> 01:01:57.619
never hurt you You are though and it doesn't

01:01:57.619 --> 01:02:00.940
have to be physical in order for it to hurt and

01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:03.639
in fact in some ways This is worse than if you

01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:07.039
would have chopped off Carol's arm You've taken

01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:10.219
her on this whirlwind of what she believed would

01:02:10.219 --> 01:02:13.679
be a really beautiful future for her and thrown

01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:15.940
it in the garbage because you were actually lying

01:02:15.940 --> 01:02:18.900
the entire time. So I think these two episodes

01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:21.780
are actually married together as one episode.

01:02:22.300 --> 01:02:26.380
Her full arc of her accepting the world she's

01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:31.119
in, finding solace and perhaps love and partnership,

01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.400
only to find out in the end that it was all fake.

01:02:34.750 --> 01:02:38.650
And that she now has to more firmly land on her

01:02:38.650 --> 01:02:41.929
feet now without any doubt whatsoever and move

01:02:41.929 --> 01:02:45.889
forward with Manusos. I agree with a lot of your

01:02:45.889 --> 01:02:49.030
points here. My still biggest disappointment

01:02:49.030 --> 01:02:54.110
with this episode is I knew how it was going

01:02:54.110 --> 01:02:58.070
to end. By the end of this episode, we got to

01:02:58.070 --> 01:03:01.050
where I wanted to be at the beginning of this

01:03:01.050 --> 01:03:06.989
episode and to leave us on Exactly where I expected

01:03:06.989 --> 01:03:10.469
us to start is the biggest disappointment for

01:03:10.469 --> 01:03:14.889
me. And the quote unquote big reveal, I'm doubling

01:03:14.889 --> 01:03:19.889
up on the quotes here of the egg theory. It was

01:03:19.889 --> 01:03:25.210
so foreshadowed that to have that as the big

01:03:25.210 --> 01:03:30.610
reveal to bring Carol back to our side was disappointing

01:03:30.610 --> 01:03:33.889
to me. It was one step back and one step forward.

01:03:34.090 --> 01:03:36.789
I'm wondering if they just wanted to use this

01:03:36.789 --> 01:03:40.929
as the episode to provide these confirmations.

01:03:41.010 --> 01:03:43.670
I wouldn't say that it's a big reveal in any...

01:03:43.900 --> 01:03:47.280
Way, I would say they're more big confirmations

01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:51.460
and a confirmation as you noted earlier is extremely

01:03:51.460 --> 01:03:55.179
satisfying So I think he wanted to provide that

01:03:55.179 --> 01:03:58.340
to the audience as broadly as possible So that

01:03:58.340 --> 01:04:00.900
they would be willing to wait until August of

01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:05.150
2027 before the next episode drops But I think

01:04:05.150 --> 01:04:08.730
the very end is important, and I think the very

01:04:08.730 --> 01:04:12.329
end does end in a great way. I had a smile on

01:04:12.329 --> 01:04:16.590
my face as we wrap this episode up. In Act 5,

01:04:16.769 --> 01:04:20.449
74 days, 18 hours, 30 minutes, and 22 seconds

01:04:20.449 --> 01:04:24.789
is our time stamp. Menousos is doing research

01:04:24.789 --> 01:04:28.550
on electronics, magnetic fields, circuits, and

01:04:28.550 --> 01:04:32.969
even crystallography. I remember watching this

01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.760
a particular scene and saying, I can't believe

01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.820
how difficult that is. How he's reading these

01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:44.420
very intricate and in -depth English versions

01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:50.019
of these books and having to translate them as

01:04:50.019 --> 01:04:53.099
well when he can't figure out the exact words.

01:04:53.699 --> 01:04:56.900
It just shows the dedication of Manusos. I absolutely

01:04:56.900 --> 01:05:00.000
love that. I want to point this out. The lights

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.389
over the living room or the main room in this

01:05:03.389 --> 01:05:07.489
house are in a circular loop like pattern, like

01:05:07.489 --> 01:05:11.809
a DNA sequence. I love that little detail that

01:05:11.809 --> 01:05:15.230
they add into the set design is absolutely wonderful.

01:05:15.610 --> 01:05:20.309
And he looks up specifically the term loop in

01:05:20.309 --> 01:05:23.809
the dictionary and finds that circuit or circuito

01:05:23.809 --> 01:05:27.789
is the translation. And as he's having this realization,

01:05:28.949 --> 01:05:32.219
he sees this red helicopter. pull up outside.

01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:34.579
Does a helicopter pull up? I don't know. I don't

01:05:34.579 --> 01:05:36.920
know what they do. They will allow it. Yeah.

01:05:37.340 --> 01:05:40.800
But they're carrying a large storage case, which

01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.559
they drop into the cul -de -sac. And we see as

01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.699
the helicopter lands, it's piloted by Zosia.

01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.860
And there's a whole conversation that happens

01:05:50.860 --> 01:05:55.139
just between these two actors, glances that is

01:05:55.139 --> 01:05:58.019
again, just immaculate. The casting on this show

01:05:58.019 --> 01:06:02.659
is so far and above anything else that's out

01:06:02.659 --> 01:06:05.800
there on TV, quite honestly. It's pitch perfect,

01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:08.619
even with any of the supporting actors, without

01:06:08.619 --> 01:06:12.739
a doubt. It's one of the reasons I love this

01:06:12.739 --> 01:06:15.619
show so much, and one of the reasons I can talk

01:06:15.619 --> 01:06:19.119
for two hours about every episode that is only

01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.599
45 minutes, is because of these performances.

01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:26.219
And the way it's shot also, we have the intimate...

01:06:26.349 --> 01:06:29.869
a conversation without words between Zosia and

01:06:29.869 --> 01:06:33.090
Carol. I believe on Carol's face alone, we see

01:06:33.090 --> 01:06:36.289
sadness, longing, disappointment, betrayal, but

01:06:36.289 --> 01:06:39.489
there's still a love there. And they just hold

01:06:39.489 --> 01:06:42.789
that pose. When Manousos walks up to her, she's

01:06:42.789 --> 01:06:44.730
literally answering the question that he had

01:06:44.730 --> 01:06:47.690
asked when she left before her honeymoon, we'll

01:06:47.690 --> 01:06:51.510
call it. And she very flatly says, you win, we

01:06:51.510 --> 01:06:55.659
save the world. And I would say she was emphatic

01:06:55.659 --> 01:06:58.539
in her response. She wasn't saying it like, well,

01:06:58.539 --> 01:07:01.260
okay, you win, we're gonna save the world. She

01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:06.119
was like, no, you win, we save the world. And

01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.400
I love that he uses her full name whenever he

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.019
speaks. Carol Sterka, what is this? And she simply

01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:15.119
says, atom bomb, as we know, is a reference to

01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.039
a previous conversation we had with The Joined

01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.480
where they said they would literally give her

01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:22.719
an atom bomb if she asked for it. We get this

01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.340
really beautiful pull away from the camera overhead,

01:07:25.780 --> 01:07:29.139
and we have a really beautiful jump into a perfect

01:07:29.139 --> 01:07:32.300
ending song for this episode. And the screen

01:07:32.300 --> 01:07:36.679
goes black. I think she's fully back now, and

01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.460
I thought it was a perfect way to end the season.

01:07:40.179 --> 01:07:42.440
Yeah, I think it was a good way to end the season.

01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.460
On first watching, I was very disappointed. In

01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:48.960
talking with you, I'm a little less disappointed.

01:07:49.369 --> 01:07:52.789
While there was a lot that I loved, there was

01:07:52.789 --> 01:07:56.170
just as much that I disliked in this episode.

01:07:56.789 --> 01:08:03.769
Um, but overall I would still give this a satisfactory

01:08:03.769 --> 01:08:08.010
score. I still adored the show and I still respect

01:08:08.010 --> 01:08:13.070
the writing and directing team for what they

01:08:13.070 --> 01:08:19.750
gave us. And I absolutely will be there. in season

01:08:19.750 --> 01:08:23.130
two, episode one, and hungrily, I would say.

01:08:24.789 --> 01:08:27.130
Well, I'm gonna hold tight to my overall thoughts

01:08:27.130 --> 01:08:29.569
on the episode. I think it's as strong as any

01:08:29.569 --> 01:08:33.050
other episode. If not more, I believe that if

01:08:33.050 --> 01:08:35.609
we have any on -the -nose writing from this team,

01:08:35.770 --> 01:08:38.229
it's just to ensure that some members of the

01:08:38.229 --> 01:08:40.630
audience are still able to keep up with the show

01:08:40.630 --> 01:08:43.869
without falling to the wayside. Kudos to Pluribus

01:08:43.869 --> 01:08:46.960
season one. I think it's a marvelous show. It

01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.060
holds its own against shows like Severance or

01:08:50.060 --> 01:08:53.779
any other mystery box styled show. It holds its

01:08:53.779 --> 01:08:56.460
own against anything else Vince Gilligan has

01:08:56.460 --> 01:08:59.760
made. And yes, that does include the Lone Gunman

01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:04.489
series that we all adore. Quite deeply. So thanks

01:09:04.489 --> 01:09:08.289
to Vince and his team. Thanks to Ray Congratulations

01:09:08.289 --> 01:09:11.449
on your nomination. I believe you're going to

01:09:11.449 --> 01:09:14.470
win as much as I love Severance and the nominations

01:09:14.470 --> 01:09:17.069
they've received I think you you have sealed

01:09:17.069 --> 01:09:21.090
the deal for me here. We have some really wonderful

01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:25.170
Easter eggs throughout the episode We had the

01:09:25.170 --> 01:09:28.649
magician's posters in the Wilson home. I think

01:09:28.649 --> 01:09:32.590
these allude to themes of illusion and misdirection

01:09:32.590 --> 01:09:35.729
as we had seen in the prior episode. It was awesome

01:09:35.729 --> 01:09:39.670
to come back to that 8 .613 frequency and see

01:09:39.670 --> 01:09:43.569
that it does have some weight. I love all of

01:09:43.569 --> 01:09:47.010
the literary references throughout the series,

01:09:47.010 --> 01:09:49.390
including the left hand of darkness here in this

01:09:49.390 --> 01:09:53.770
episode. I think it's important that we still

01:09:53.770 --> 01:09:56.670
pay attention to the color theory that we have

01:09:56.670 --> 01:09:59.770
throughout Purovus and see how it plays out.

01:09:59.989 --> 01:10:04.369
I love that Carol did not go full purple on us

01:10:04.369 --> 01:10:07.949
and I do think that pink is actually a transformation

01:10:07.949 --> 01:10:10.970
color. We saw it with Kusumayu laying on the

01:10:10.970 --> 01:10:13.149
pink blanket at the beginning and we see it in

01:10:13.149 --> 01:10:17.529
the end with Carol's pink tinge socks as she

01:10:17.529 --> 01:10:19.890
discovers the truth of her relationship with

01:10:19.890 --> 01:10:24.359
Zosia. We do have some marvelous unresolved threads

01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:26.920
here. You know, what, if anything, Carol can

01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:30.180
do with a nuclear bomb, if it is that at all.

01:10:30.859 --> 01:10:33.899
Whether Menusso's frequency disruption can actually

01:10:33.899 --> 01:10:37.239
restore any of our humans. And what is the nature

01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.899
of the alien signal from Kepler 600 light years

01:10:40.899 --> 01:10:43.739
away? And what is their true intent? We have

01:10:43.739 --> 01:10:47.359
a lot of questions here left open. The show still

01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.119
sits at a 98%. Overall Rotten Tomatoes score,

01:10:51.539 --> 01:10:53.840
most everybody's loving it. I noticed that the

01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:55.880
audience score actually kind of hovers around

01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.939
our favorite score from Dad, You're Wrong. It's

01:10:58.939 --> 01:11:02.560
at 68%. Usually if it's 64%, it's gonna be a

01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.659
pretty darn good movie. So maybe we can apply

01:11:05.659 --> 01:11:09.760
that to Pluribus here. I'm extremely excited

01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.760
to sit down with Josh and our special guest to

01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:16.399
record. our 10th episode, which will be an overview

01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:19.520
of Pluribus in its entirety. Yes, it probably

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.319
will be a little bit longer than some of our

01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.819
episodes, but if you've been listening thus far,

01:11:24.220 --> 01:11:26.800
I think you'd probably enjoy it. Josh, do you

01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.020
have any closing thoughts, words, or any housekeeping

01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:32.539
before we bounce out of here and start talking

01:11:32.539 --> 01:11:35.380
about episode 10? I think I just want to close

01:11:35.380 --> 01:11:38.960
it by thanking everyone across the globe that

01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.560
has listened to E -Player Basunam. It has been

01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.920
the highlight, not only of recapping this excellent

01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:48.939
TV show, but just having an audience that would

01:11:48.939 --> 01:11:52.220
join us in that. So I want to add, please hop

01:11:52.220 --> 01:11:54.460
in our Discord and chat with us. We would love

01:11:54.460 --> 01:11:57.000
to chat with you guys about some theories on

01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:59.779
season two as it comes up. And if you guys have

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:04.869
any ideas on our series recap, of episode 10,

01:12:05.069 --> 01:12:07.170
please add in on that as well. On top of that,

01:12:07.310 --> 01:12:09.789
we'd also encourage you to listen to our Dad

01:12:09.789 --> 01:12:13.949
Your Wrong podcast where a Gen X dad and millennial

01:12:13.949 --> 01:12:17.899
son discuss film. philosophy and everything in

01:12:17.899 --> 01:12:21.319
between. Once again, on behalf of Josh and myself,

01:12:21.380 --> 01:12:24.479
thank you all so much for listening to E Pluribus

01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.819
Unum. This has been our ninth episode covering

01:12:27.819 --> 01:12:31.500
Pluribus episode nine, the world or the girl.

01:12:31.979 --> 01:12:34.880
We do look forward to seeing you guys next week

01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.760
as we go through episode 10, the full recap of

01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:41.399
Pluribus. And we sincerely hope that everyone

01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.319
has a wonderful end to their year. Thank you

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:44.560
again.