WEBVTT 00:00:28.620 --> 00:00:32.130 Hello, Carol. This is ePluribus Unum, where we 00:00:32.130 --> 00:00:35.350 dive deeper into the hive mind. This is your 00:00:35.350 --> 00:00:38.729 favorite podcast about the show Pluribus with 00:00:38.729 --> 00:00:41.609 Eric and Josh. Today we're talking about episode 00:00:41.609 --> 00:00:45.630 8, Charm Offensive. Before we jump into the episode, 00:00:45.689 --> 00:00:48.189 a couple items of housekeeping here. If you guys 00:00:48.189 --> 00:00:51.490 would like, please join us on our ePluribus Unum 00:00:51.490 --> 00:00:54.630 Discord, where we're putting all our newest theories 00:00:54.630 --> 00:00:56.770 out there. I think after this episode, we'll 00:00:56.770 --> 00:00:59.710 have quite a few new theories and quite a few 00:00:59.710 --> 00:01:03.350 questions answered. 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Do you have any initial thoughts 00:03:37.020 --> 00:03:41.139 on this one? Marvelous episode overall it looked 00:03:41.139 --> 00:03:44.860 like to me it was almost mirroring the previous 00:03:44.860 --> 00:03:49.680 episode in its structure we had Carol begin the 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.699 last episode and we had Manusos in the center 00:03:52.699 --> 00:03:55.479 and then Carol ended the episode and on this 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.419 one it is the opposite but as far as the the 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:03.319 story, craft, and the reveals, and the performances, 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.479 just another fantastic episode. Yeah, I agree. 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.439 I really like the title of the episode being 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.560 Charm Offensive, and I initially thought that 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.560 it was going to be Carol's charm offensive, and 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.040 she was going to try a new route into the Hive 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.040 Mind, which she does, but it's very much a charm 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.399 offensive from the Hive Mind as well. And they 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:27.420 sure do weaponize that pretty effectively, I 00:04:27.420 --> 00:04:29.639 think, throughout this episode. I'll have to 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.199 agree with you. I think it's a double -sided 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.360 coin here. I think both parties are trying to 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.600 be charming in order to get what they want out 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.980 of the other. And we do start off with a blurry 00:04:41.980 --> 00:04:45.660 vision of what seems to be blood dripping on 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:49.290 what could be a hospital floor. And I want to 00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:52.149 note in the slow motion dripping of the blood 00:04:52.149 --> 00:04:57.670 here that the first drop looked like the Petri 00:04:57.670 --> 00:05:00.269 dish that they've been using for the promotion 00:05:00.269 --> 00:05:03.269 and the Petri dish that we use for the cover 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:07.170 of our podcast. And we get to see our buddy Manny 00:05:07.170 --> 00:05:11.509 and he's lying on the bed there on his chest 00:05:11.509 --> 00:05:15.850 and he is just waking up seemingly from whatever 00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:19.370 may have happened prior to that. And we find 00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:21.870 out through one of the joint who's attempting 00:05:21.870 --> 00:05:25.389 to converse with him here that he did indeed 00:05:25.389 --> 00:05:29.029 have an infection from the aptly named porcupine 00:05:29.029 --> 00:05:32.410 trees that we coined last episode, but it is 00:05:32.410 --> 00:05:35.310 responding to antibiotics. So he is on the mend. 00:05:35.810 --> 00:05:38.850 And you could tell just by how Menousos wakes 00:05:38.850 --> 00:05:43.490 up that he is unhappy to be taken care of by 00:05:43.490 --> 00:05:47.790 the joined. in this hospital. It looks almost 00:05:47.790 --> 00:05:50.290 as if he feels like he's been taken advantage 00:05:50.290 --> 00:05:53.470 of by them forcefully healing him. And I really 00:05:53.470 --> 00:05:57.730 love the shot of Manousos in the bed highlighting 00:05:57.730 --> 00:06:02.029 the scalpel. And it made me wonder because of 00:06:02.029 --> 00:06:03.730 the look on his face, because the look on his 00:06:03.730 --> 00:06:07.649 face was pure anger. And you see the scalpel 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:09.930 and you're like, man, are you going there? But 00:06:09.930 --> 00:06:12.829 luckily he doesn't. He again just illustrates 00:06:12.829 --> 00:06:17.269 his honor. by, if you can, in a way of holding 00:06:17.269 --> 00:06:21.290 a knife to someone's neck, to say, no, I just 00:06:21.290 --> 00:06:24.730 want out of here. I also want to note the way 00:06:24.730 --> 00:06:27.790 the either surgeon or nurse is speaking to him. 00:06:28.029 --> 00:06:30.990 Again, it's very much the, I would say, saccharine 00:06:30.990 --> 00:06:35.089 way that the joint can speak to people. And in 00:06:35.089 --> 00:06:38.550 typical Manusso's fashion, he rolls up to the 00:06:38.550 --> 00:06:40.810 nurse's station and says, I need you to give 00:06:40.810 --> 00:06:44.310 me a bill. When it comes to Manusos being that 00:06:44.310 --> 00:06:47.670 honorable, righteous man, he is still going to 00:06:47.670 --> 00:06:51.790 be paying his hospital bill and ambulance. I 00:06:51.790 --> 00:06:54.449 adore that portion. It's just so part and parcel 00:06:54.449 --> 00:06:58.129 with the mani that we've come to love here. As 00:06:58.129 --> 00:07:00.829 far as the color theory, I want to ponder this 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:03.189 a little bit, but we see a lot of red and a lot 00:07:03.189 --> 00:07:05.889 of mention of red in this episode, not only with 00:07:05.889 --> 00:07:09.759 the blood, but also the red marker in which he 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.040 writes this IOU for his hospital bill. We also 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:18.079 discovered that he is in Panama now. So they 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.300 not only helped him out of the gap, but they 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.839 helped him on his journey a little bit. And I 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:25.779 don't know if this is part of their wanting to 00:07:25.779 --> 00:07:30.399 please him or if it is something else. And another 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.100 note about red, all the signage around him is 00:07:33.100 --> 00:07:38.199 red. As he exits the hospital, All of the lighting 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.139 is red in the emergency entrance and exit, and 00:07:42.139 --> 00:07:46.120 he jumps into a yellow ambulance. It makes me 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.579 wonder if this new introduction of red in this 00:07:49.579 --> 00:07:54.819 episode is almost signifying the upcoming conflict 00:07:54.819 --> 00:07:58.860 between our individuals and the joined. And I 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:02.329 could also see it as our individuals As they 00:08:02.329 --> 00:08:05.009 are approaching the conflict, maybe our yellow 00:08:05.009 --> 00:08:07.750 has shifted into a more aggressive red as well. 00:08:08.310 --> 00:08:10.810 I think he's waited until now to introduce this 00:08:10.810 --> 00:08:13.329 color so that it has that tremendous impact. 00:08:13.790 --> 00:08:17.350 We have so many marvelous shots of cinematography 00:08:17.350 --> 00:08:20.649 and so many marvelous shots of the thing in the 00:08:20.649 --> 00:08:23.269 foreground is not as important as the thing in 00:08:23.269 --> 00:08:25.930 the background that's a little bit blurry. But 00:08:25.930 --> 00:08:29.509 after this, we get a chance to jump on over to 00:08:29.509 --> 00:08:32.460 Carol. who as we know in the previous episode 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:36.480 had so heartfully embraced Zosia. And now apparently 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.019 she has invited her in to have some lemonade. 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.940 Yeah, and even that lemonade is sort of a red 00:08:42.940 --> 00:08:47.600 pink color. She's very formal almost and very 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.110 nice to Zosia. even asking, oh, is it too sweet? 00:08:51.629 --> 00:08:54.169 It's a very stilted conversation at the beginning. 00:08:54.309 --> 00:08:58.110 It seems as if not only Carol, but the joined 00:08:58.110 --> 00:09:01.889 are also having trouble reestablishing this relationship 00:09:01.889 --> 00:09:05.470 and having an awkward moment. And we have a fairly 00:09:05.470 --> 00:09:08.470 pertinent conversation specifically about the 00:09:08.470 --> 00:09:11.409 painting that Carol had stolen from the Georgia 00:09:11.409 --> 00:09:13.909 O 'Keefe Museum last episode in the Belladonna. 00:09:14.660 --> 00:09:17.899 But did she steal it? I mean, you can't steal 00:09:17.899 --> 00:09:20.440 anything anymore. Nobody owns anything anymore, 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.379 so you can do whatever you want as Kumba has 00:09:23.379 --> 00:09:26.320 so clearly illustrated. I think it is pretty 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.840 funny the awkwardness that they have there. She 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.659 also ends up saying, which kind of breaks the 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:36.090 ice, I don't really know what to say. I really 00:09:36.090 --> 00:09:38.929 don't know what to talk about. And I think that 00:09:38.929 --> 00:09:41.230 that's important because when you kind of confess 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:44.070 that in an awkward situation, it does break the 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:45.730 ice. And now you realize, you know what? We're 00:09:45.730 --> 00:09:47.769 both kind of awkward here. Now let's try to open 00:09:47.769 --> 00:09:51.389 things up. But she does compliment her on the 00:09:51.389 --> 00:09:54.649 painting. And Carol sort of plays it back. She's 00:09:54.649 --> 00:09:56.330 like, oh, you know, I was going to take that 00:09:56.330 --> 00:09:59.710 back. It's as though she realizes that they're... 00:09:59.659 --> 00:10:02.559 is and will be a world after this, and that means 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:04.940 that this picture needs to go back to the museum, 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.559 and it really isn't hers. She says, I just wanted 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:10.539 to protect the image, you know, give it a safe 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:13.519 place. I didn't want any roaming animals to infiltrate 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.039 the museum. And then she jokes later, well, you 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.820 don't want a buffalo eating the Mona Lisa. We 00:10:21.820 --> 00:10:24.720 even get a little laugh from Zosia. as well. 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.419 And throughout this episode, we really see Zosia 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:31.419 act a little bit more individually with things 00:10:31.419 --> 00:10:34.600 like laughing and being comedic herself at the 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.820 same time. It's huge. I gotta say it's huge. 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:40.720 It's a stark difference from what we've seen 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.879 in the past from The Joined. And I think that 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.799 plays into the performative nature of The Joined. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.960 And sometimes they lay it on so thick, but it 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.480 almost seems as if they're learning to pull it 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.539 back just a little bit for Carol, but they still 00:10:56.539 --> 00:10:59.460 are making mistakes. I don't think they've learned 00:10:59.460 --> 00:11:03.179 any lesson in the way that they should interact 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:07.360 with the immune. And it's played out to the nth 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:12.350 degree in this episode. So they are still socially 00:11:12.350 --> 00:11:16.470 stupid. I don't know what else to call it. Because 00:11:16.470 --> 00:11:19.029 it's not socially awkward, it's socially ignorant. 00:11:19.149 --> 00:11:21.250 Even though, as she points out several times, 00:11:21.370 --> 00:11:23.450 you are the collective of so many human beings 00:11:23.450 --> 00:11:26.190 that have so much knowledge, how come you can't? 00:11:26.649 --> 00:11:30.509 And this also begins the break in the, do they 00:11:30.509 --> 00:11:34.059 know everything? And I love how we get to see 00:11:34.059 --> 00:11:37.620 some cracks sort of break open in that. But as 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:40.340 they break their sort of awkward nature, Zosia 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:42.879 says, well, how about we play a game? And I think 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.700 my favorite part of sifting through the games 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:48.360 is Carol comes across risk. And she goes, oh, 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.179 world domination. That's hilarious. There's a 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:54.779 subtle portion of this where. She says, Oh, what 00:11:54.779 --> 00:11:57.000 about chess? And she says, Oh, of course not. 00:11:57.179 --> 00:12:00.019 They have all the greatest grand masters of chess. 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:02.639 So she doesn't want to play that. And Zosia says, 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.580 well, you're also missing your white rook, but 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:07.960 we can get another one for you. And this just 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:12.179 shows that they're subtly going against Carol's 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:15.840 wishes and utilizing Helen's consciousness. Cause 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.299 who else would know that she is missing a white 00:12:19.299 --> 00:12:22.720 rook in her chess set, but Helen. It feels like 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.139 a child that's testing their limits, you know 00:12:25.139 --> 00:12:27.580 She seems to be kind of going here on her own. 00:12:27.580 --> 00:12:30.799 How deeply can we go? How much of this can we 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:35.080 use? Also again, it points out their lack of 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.240 social awareness that they honestly shouldn't 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.259 be bringing up the fact that she's missing a 00:12:40.259 --> 00:12:42.460 rook They shouldn't be bringing up the fact that 00:12:42.460 --> 00:12:45.440 there are certain games that Carol loved as a 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.299 child It's red flag after red flag, but you know, 00:12:49.340 --> 00:12:52.190 Zocha at this point says well What about the 00:12:52.190 --> 00:12:54.649 game you used to play with your cousins back 00:12:54.649 --> 00:12:57.470 in the day? And this seems to be a perfect fit. 00:12:57.649 --> 00:13:00.129 It's a good, direct, simple game. It's a game 00:13:00.129 --> 00:13:02.250 that Carol hasn't played since she was a kid. 00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:05.870 And it gets them to the point to where they're 00:13:05.870 --> 00:13:07.690 sitting across from the table from each other, 00:13:07.710 --> 00:13:10.129 and they're playing a game called Spit. What 00:13:10.129 --> 00:13:12.450 a great name for a card game. I personally have 00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:16.669 never heard of a game called Spit. But it reminded 00:13:16.669 --> 00:13:20.009 me at least of a game I used to play as a kid. 00:13:20.149 --> 00:13:23.190 We called it War. This is the scene I was mentioning 00:13:23.190 --> 00:13:26.309 where we hear the color red again. When they 00:13:26.309 --> 00:13:28.129 originally played this game, her and her cousins 00:13:28.129 --> 00:13:31.649 as children, her Nana had a red deck and a blue 00:13:31.649 --> 00:13:35.970 deck. And Nana says, be sure to put all the cards 00:13:35.970 --> 00:13:38.649 in the right boxes, meaning not to mix those 00:13:38.649 --> 00:13:40.830 blue cards and red cards into the wrong boxes. 00:13:41.409 --> 00:13:43.889 I want to point out something in this card playing 00:13:43.889 --> 00:13:48.559 scene. And that is the intimacy that builds between 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.759 Zosia and Carol here. In fact, one of the first 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.320 things we see is one of them slapping their hand 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.240 on top of the others. And so this is not only 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.440 a card game where you just sit across the table 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.559 from each other, but they're touching each other. 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.899 And neither of them seem to be put off by that. 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:10.110 And it almost is... and olive branch from the 00:14:10.110 --> 00:14:12.669 both of them that says, okay, I'm willing to 00:14:12.669 --> 00:14:14.950 be in the same room with you. I'm willing to 00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:18.970 play games with you. I'm willing to touch you. 00:14:19.429 --> 00:14:22.129 Zosia even asked her at one point, you haven't 00:14:22.129 --> 00:14:24.230 seen your cousins since 2005, would you like 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:27.409 to see them? And Carol aptly points out, that 00:14:27.409 --> 00:14:29.509 would be exactly like talking to you, right? 00:14:30.610 --> 00:14:34.480 And this is... The first of Zosha's non -answer 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.039 answers, and she simply just shrugs her shoulders 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.879 and says, yes. But I start to wonder as we move 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.580 on through this episode if that's necessarily 00:14:44.580 --> 00:14:47.720 true. And it brings up a sort of a philosophical 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.919 question. If individuals are part of the collective, 00:14:52.899 --> 00:14:55.759 do they lose their personal inclination to reach 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:59.019 out to other individuals? Does her cousin now 00:14:59.019 --> 00:15:02.350 not? Is he not concerned with wanting to go see 00:15:02.350 --> 00:15:04.429 Carol at any given point, because now he's part 00:15:04.429 --> 00:15:06.830 of this collective, or does he still have that 00:15:06.830 --> 00:15:10.470 individual draw to still want to do individual 00:15:10.470 --> 00:15:14.029 things? Do we still have a sense of that individuality 00:15:14.029 --> 00:15:17.169 in all of us, and can we pull from that? And 00:15:17.169 --> 00:15:20.289 she ends it in such a great Carol way, right, 00:15:20.370 --> 00:15:25.639 as Zosia wins this round of spit. Carol gathers 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.639 up the cards and says, it's like playing cards 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:32.159 with fucking Google. Yeah, because Zosia can't 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.820 help herself from dropping the little information 00:15:34.820 --> 00:15:38.000 bombs. But you know, Carol stepped in it herself. 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.960 She was asking for the origin of the name spit 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.940 for this particular game. Zosia can't answer 00:15:43.940 --> 00:15:47.860 the question. Even in the collective, not everyone 00:15:47.860 --> 00:15:50.809 on the planet has a collective understanding 00:15:50.809 --> 00:15:55.090 of where the origin of the name Spit came for 00:15:55.090 --> 00:15:58.649 this game. And as much as we think they do know 00:15:58.649 --> 00:16:01.850 everything, they actually don't. Yeah, they're 00:16:01.850 --> 00:16:04.809 not omnipotent by any means. But I think that 00:16:04.809 --> 00:16:07.690 leads us into the next scene here, and it is 00:16:07.690 --> 00:16:11.809 with Zosia and Carol as they're overlooking Albuquerque. 00:16:11.850 --> 00:16:15.210 And you can see the city in the distance. And 00:16:15.210 --> 00:16:19.289 we find out that the joined are indeed returning 00:16:19.289 --> 00:16:24.149 en masse to Albuquerque. And at this point, Carol 00:16:24.149 --> 00:16:26.009 poses a question, and I think this is something 00:16:26.009 --> 00:16:29.450 you and I had been wondering throughout the series, 00:16:29.830 --> 00:16:33.149 is where do you live? We soon find that out in 00:16:33.149 --> 00:16:35.929 the next scene as Osha says, do you want me to 00:16:35.929 --> 00:16:40.149 show you? And she even uses sort of this colloquialism. 00:16:40.169 --> 00:16:42.389 She says, wherever we hang our hat is where we 00:16:42.389 --> 00:16:46.370 stay. And that's such a human thing to say to 00:16:46.370 --> 00:16:49.279 me. She's also smart to say, would you like to 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.879 see? As she takes her to the local stadium, we 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.519 see a good amount of joined creating a communal 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.120 bed that they're all laying in. And we see all 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.139 of them taking their clothes off and getting 00:17:02.139 --> 00:17:05.839 ready for bed. But another thing that is freaking 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.119 weird, none of this in any way, shape or form 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:13.880 looks comfortable at all. Why not have beds? 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.640 Why not have bed covers? Why not have comfort 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.440 for the human body so that it can sleep well 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:25.119 and sleep in good health? It's almost like a 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.599 prison camp or something we've recently dealt 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.859 with in the United States here in Florida, but 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:39.460 voluntarily. And it felt very creepy to me. But 00:17:39.460 --> 00:17:43.079 Carol finds comfort in it. You see her actually 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:47.430 relax and her shoulders drop. after she is introduced 00:17:47.430 --> 00:17:51.029 to probably your favorite character of the episode 00:17:51.029 --> 00:17:55.589 minus Menousos, which would be Bear Jordan, this 00:17:55.589 --> 00:17:58.750 border collie. He rolls up and she asks specifically, 00:17:59.150 --> 00:18:02.349 this dog is not one of you, is it? And Zosia 00:18:02.349 --> 00:18:06.990 answers, no, definitely not. She didn't hesitate, 00:18:07.230 --> 00:18:11.029 she didn't non -answer. She leapt in there, no, 00:18:11.309 --> 00:18:14.269 definitely not. And not only that, she said it 00:18:14.269 --> 00:18:18.529 in a way of almost like down, like, oh no, no, 00:18:18.630 --> 00:18:22.329 not animals. Or that's how I caught it. So I 00:18:22.329 --> 00:18:23.869 thought that was really important. And then she 00:18:23.869 --> 00:18:26.250 says, I didn't realize you kept pets. And then 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:30.230 again, very emphatically, we don't. And then 00:18:30.230 --> 00:18:32.450 nices it up. We take care of the animals that 00:18:32.450 --> 00:18:34.930 are still attached to their former owners. And 00:18:34.930 --> 00:18:37.740 it does answer some heavy duty questions. And 00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:40.140 there's one particular line in this scene that 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:44.599 I want to bring up before we move on. Zosia mentions 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:50.079 that the reason that they have this sort of communal 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.140 cuddle puddle, we'll call it. That's what Carol 00:18:53.140 --> 00:18:57.579 calls it. Is because it saves on resources if 00:18:57.579 --> 00:19:00.839 they all sleep together. It's much easier to 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.619 heat one large room as opposed to a bunch of 00:19:03.619 --> 00:19:06.099 small rooms. And there's actually a very subtle 00:19:06.099 --> 00:19:09.950 portion coming up here in the second act, where 00:19:09.950 --> 00:19:15.230 I think they give us an answer on why the joined 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:18.930 are so adamant about saving resources, specifically 00:19:18.930 --> 00:19:21.849 saving energy. Yeah, that's a big one. Well, 00:19:21.849 --> 00:19:25.009 at this point, we have Zosia asking, would you 00:19:25.009 --> 00:19:29.430 like to stay with us tonight? And I adore Carol's 00:19:29.430 --> 00:19:32.450 reaction, because it's what she really wanted 00:19:32.450 --> 00:19:36.160 to hear from Kumbha in Vegas. Wouldn't you like 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.119 to stay here with me? You can have your own place. 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:41.660 But instead we have Zosia, and seemingly the 00:19:41.660 --> 00:19:45.200 charm is cranked up to 101. Would you like to 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.579 stay with us tonight? Knowing that is it exactly 00:19:48.579 --> 00:19:52.299 what Carol would want or would like. And Carol 00:19:52.299 --> 00:19:55.539 fights it for what she can, but the next shot 00:19:55.539 --> 00:20:00.259 is us very close to Carol asleep. And it looks 00:20:00.259 --> 00:20:02.819 like she could be at home, but as we pull back, 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:05.500 she's in the middle of the cuddle puddle. and 00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:08.880 she has her arm draped over Zosia. And as she 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.079 wakes up, she pulls her arm away from Zosia, 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.539 sort of in shock, but we all know why. You know, 00:20:14.539 --> 00:20:16.920 she's desperately missed the touch of another 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.920 human being and maybe even specifically in a 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.920 specialty, Zosia. And she lays back and just 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.119 sort of stares into space for a moment. The next 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.859 scene, we are returning to Carol's house and 00:20:29.859 --> 00:20:32.579 even outside in the car, as she's dropping her 00:20:32.579 --> 00:20:36.420 off, Zosia says, that she's had a nice time and 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:40.680 Carol actually admits to Zosia that she had a 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.700 nice time as well. And it seemed to me almost 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:48.519 as if Carol was begrudgingly admitting that she 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:51.680 indeed had a nice time being with the joint. 00:20:52.460 --> 00:20:55.160 Yeah, I kind of saw it as that, but I also saw 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.519 it as, you know, sometimes when you just react 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.839 and it just comes out without you having thought 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.269 about it first. I think she almost wanted to 00:21:04.269 --> 00:21:06.910 say it right after Zosia said, we had a very 00:21:06.910 --> 00:21:11.150 good time, we're glad to be back. And she didn't, 00:21:11.170 --> 00:21:13.450 she stopped herself. And then she couldn't the 00:21:13.450 --> 00:21:15.789 second time around. And she's almost like a little 00:21:15.789 --> 00:21:17.710 kid. She goes, I had a nice time too. And she 00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:21.369 runs into the house. It was a sweet moment. Also, 00:21:21.630 --> 00:21:24.470 even though you do have these two offenses going 00:21:24.470 --> 00:21:27.710 toward each other, again, just like the hug and 00:21:27.710 --> 00:21:30.579 any other honest. contact that Carol has with 00:21:30.579 --> 00:21:33.539 Zosia or the joint, I believe it's real. It's 00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:38.259 true. And I feel her desperation of wanting to 00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:41.359 not only alleviate the loneliness, but also to 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.700 have a companion. This gets us back over to one 00:21:45.700 --> 00:21:49.220 of my favorite rooms in the house, which is her 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:54.240 office and her whiteboard. And we see Carol add 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:56.880 a number six to her list of things that that 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:01.039 she knows about the joined and She very emphatically 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:04.799 writes. They eat people almost as if Maybe she 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.500 did have a nice time with Zosia yesterday, but 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:10.420 she wanted to remind herself and reiterate to 00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:14.599 herself that This is wrong. I can't succumb to 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.319 this charm offensive that they're putting on 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:22.660 me To me this really proves that Carol wasn't 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.079 defeated in the last episode, as I had presumed. 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.160 And you were very much right in our last conversation 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:32.619 that this might just be the next step in our 00:22:32.619 --> 00:22:35.599 plan that she's enacting. And note also that 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:40.799 the color of her marker is purple. Oh. Interesting. 00:22:41.380 --> 00:22:43.539 Yeah. I like following up with your color theory. 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.500 It makes me very happy. I like it a lot. She 00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:49.220 definitely underlines people, and she puts a 00:22:49.220 --> 00:22:52.839 period after every word. This leads to a scene 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.700 that you would think might be fairly innocuous, 00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:01.240 but it's not. Carol and Zosia go on a hike. I 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.900 really, really love this scene as Zosia and Carol 00:23:05.900 --> 00:23:09.400 are taking a hike up to a plateau and we get 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:12.259 a really great view of the desert surrounding 00:23:12.259 --> 00:23:16.920 Albuquerque. But in the background, we see an 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.819 incredibly long train and it brings up a great 00:23:19.819 --> 00:23:24.309 conversation. Again, emphasizing that the joined 00:23:24.309 --> 00:23:30.789 are not omnipotent. And she says something about 00:23:30.789 --> 00:23:34.490 how she always loved the sound of a train horn. 00:23:34.869 --> 00:23:41.390 She literally says, man, I love trains. There's 00:23:41.390 --> 00:23:43.450 just something about the sound of a train horn, 00:23:43.450 --> 00:23:48.589 you know? And I'm going to say this is Carol 00:23:48.589 --> 00:23:53.559 being calculative. and that she never loved trains, 00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:58.079 she never loved the sound of a train horn, and 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:03.000 she's trolling. Because look at Zosia's response. 00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:07.880 Zosia looks at her like this is new information. 00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:12.220 Here we have another moment where the joined 00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:16.599 supposedly don't know something or everything. 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.140 And I think this is Carol doing this on purpose. 00:24:20.299 --> 00:24:22.519 I don't think she had any affiliation to trains 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.119 because if she did at any point in her life, 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:28.220 they would know. So it would be impossible for 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:31.920 them not to know even when she was a child through 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.740 Nana and her cousins or the kids next door or 00:24:35.740 --> 00:24:38.609 Helen or anybody else. I feel like she's trolling 00:24:38.609 --> 00:24:41.910 them. And they're very shocked. What? Hold on 00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:44.930 a second. We didn't know that. And she's like, 00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:47.329 oh, I thought you knew everything about me. And 00:24:47.329 --> 00:24:51.009 she says, not this, very specifically, not this. 00:24:52.269 --> 00:24:55.230 That doesn't make her line of, it is the loneliest 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:58.309 sound in the world, not land any harder. That 00:24:58.309 --> 00:25:00.990 is her. She is that train whistle. She understands 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:04.490 the depth of loneliness. And it does encapsulate 00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:08.539 Carol's experience. And when we hear the train 00:25:08.539 --> 00:25:11.660 horn in the background, Carol asks Zosia, how 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:15.000 do you do that? Zosia responds, something to 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.259 do with the body's electromagnetic field, our 00:25:18.259 --> 00:25:21.200 natural electric charge, so to speak. You have 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.660 one too, just unused. And Carol asks, so like 00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:29.980 radio? And Zosia responds, sort of, but radio 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:32.460 transmission is like talking. It's conscious. 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.470 Our communication is unconscious. homeostatic, 00:25:36.890 --> 00:25:39.410 like breathing. There's still a lot we don't 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:42.150 understand. We're going to have to unpack this 00:25:42.150 --> 00:25:44.710 one, I think, a little bit here. But the first 00:25:44.710 --> 00:25:48.609 thing that came to mind for me was it might have 00:25:48.609 --> 00:25:51.369 possibly debunked my theory previously about 00:25:51.369 --> 00:25:54.630 Manousos sifting through the radio signals, and 00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:57.690 there was the one radio signal in use that was, 00:25:57.829 --> 00:26:01.130 you had mentioned, sort of in between signals 00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:04.440 or in between bandwidths. So is that not how 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.740 they communicate or is that still a possibility 00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:10.079 for us? It brings up a lot of questions and a 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.339 lot of potential theories here. Well, I like 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.599 how she equals radio transmission to a physical 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.660 form and in the way they communicate with each 00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:25.700 other is unconscious. I still like your idea 00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:30.660 where you said. This isn't magic. There's a scientific 00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:32.700 answer as to how they're able to communicate 00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:36.660 with each other I also like referring back to 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:39.559 previous comments She doesn't really answer the 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:42.680 question here and it actually provides us with 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.799 more questions than answers Yeah, I could very 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.059 much see this information that she's getting 00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.000 specifically in this scene to be used as a weapon 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.039 for our quote unquote good guys in Carol and 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.119 Manousos. Absolutely. And I think bringing what 00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:04.220 Manousos has learned with studying the radio 00:27:04.220 --> 00:27:07.200 waves with Carol's knowledge as well can really 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.839 get us to some sort of conclusion. And I don't 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.980 doubt that we'll see something along those lines. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.980 Well, and I'd like to support your concept of 00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:22.640 the 8 .613 ham radio signal. as being the signal 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.279 that they are communicating on. We didn't go 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.259 through him channeling through all of these stations 00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.579 for nothing. There has to be something there. 00:27:31.579 --> 00:27:35.440 He's not going to do that to us. And this conversation 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.619 is sort of incapped by the question from Carol, 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.240 why do you guys still need trains? And after 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.700 a moment of hesitation, Zosia responds, food 00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:53.880 distribution. And that genial conversation that 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.980 they've had is now broken. They fall into tension 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:01.000 at that moment. It is the subject for which we 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.559 will not speak. Right? Just like when a couple 00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.180 are having a fight and they don't want to talk 00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:10.240 about the thing that caused the fight, and you 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.819 just kind of casually go on, is cannibalism. 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.079 And I struggle with what happens later in the 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.599 episode on Carol's behalf a little bit, not a 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:28.539 lot, a little bit, because for some folks, this 00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:34.480 would be a non -negotiable. I can't be with a 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.940 person who is technically accountable, okay, 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:43.799 for one. For two, how connected is this joined 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:48.039 person in front of me to the collective when 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:54.039 I'm with them and how they feel and experience 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:58.000 what they're feeling with me in this moment outwardly 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.059 to the other joined. And actually that's a wonderful 00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:03.839 segue into the next sequence. Yeah, so we pick 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:08.220 up with Carol and Zosia as they're at a spa getting 00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:12.160 massage. Carol asks Zosia, does this feel good 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.660 to you? Is the whole world getting a massage 00:29:14.660 --> 00:29:20.230 right now? And Zosia responds, not exactly. It's 00:29:20.230 --> 00:29:23.509 kind of like in the last 10 minutes, there's 00:29:23.509 --> 00:29:31.369 been 1674 deaths and 965 births. To feel everything 00:29:31.369 --> 00:29:34.509 at once would be unbearable, but we know it as 00:29:34.509 --> 00:29:37.440 it happens. It's such a haunting portion when 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.740 she adds, we're aware that you just got goosebumps 00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:43.380 and the goosebumps that she felt learning that 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.500 information at the same time, just absolutely 00:29:45.500 --> 00:29:49.619 wonderful. Well, and she caps it off with having 00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:53.440 said that this massage feels good. So again, 00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:56.720 it's this thing where we get just enough information 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.599 in an eloquent and succinct way, but also she 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.359 non -answers the question. Zosia says, to feel 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.119 everything all at once would be unbearable. That 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.720 line alone is key because it goes back to what 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.279 Joe was saying in the last episode. Can we surf 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.160 people? Or, and moreover, my question to Joe 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.640 at the moment was, can we turn off or opt out 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.880 of people so that I don't have to be in the hot 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:34.519 tub with Kumba or I can be the surgeon or pilot. 00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:38.619 If feeling everything is overwhelming, there 00:30:38.619 --> 00:30:42.359 has to be a governor somewhere that they have 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.579 control over. And I think this is important in 00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:49.059 a conversation the two characters have later, 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:52.900 and I want to link this thought to that. The 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:58.099 idea that you can either surf or opt out or turn 00:30:58.099 --> 00:31:04.099 off other joined. so that you aren't in an unbearable 00:31:04.099 --> 00:31:07.680 state. It also seems like they have almost an 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.960 alarm system, and we've seen it before, and we 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.539 see it here, where she says, you know, this many 00:31:14.539 --> 00:31:17.660 deaths, this many births, oh, this man just fell 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:21.039 on a fence. And she felt that in that moment. 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.119 It was almost like, alarm, this man fell, and 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.359 oh, okay, he'll be okay, no vitals. They need 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.079 to flesh that out more. because it could make 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.519 more sense as to who is in the hot tub with Kumba 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.920 or who is flying the plane and how important 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.460 that is and how much of you being more finite 00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:47.420 with your exercise in that person's skill or 00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:50.819 knowledge makes you further away from the joined 00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:54.059 or individual in some kind of an interesting 00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:57.099 way. They're really good to put it in your face 00:31:57.099 --> 00:32:00.539 about how much they know. Well, you can do that, 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.859 but can you do the opposite of that? Can you 00:32:03.859 --> 00:32:07.140 get finite down to one singular character? And 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:10.579 then is that something that Carol can use and 00:32:10.579 --> 00:32:13.940 in her way, for whatever reason that she's different, 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.000 that is a way to flip that person out of the 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.380 joined. We like to call them stupid theories. 00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:23.599 Here's a stupid theory for you. Wouldn't it be 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.849 cool? If it's not necessarily Carol's blood or 00:32:27.849 --> 00:32:32.230 DNA that they extract in order to create an antidote 00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:36.049 to bring people back around, but what if it is, 00:32:36.089 --> 00:32:37.849 and I'm going to point back to the Rolls Royce 00:32:37.849 --> 00:32:39.970 and the love balloons from the last episode, 00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:45.029 Carol and her true love for this humanoid in 00:32:45.029 --> 00:32:50.109 front of her that forces them out of the collective 00:32:50.109 --> 00:32:53.809 and back into their individual state. I love 00:32:53.809 --> 00:32:57.670 that. That's great. That's an apt word to use 00:32:57.670 --> 00:33:00.650 for how I feel about that theory as well. This 00:33:00.650 --> 00:33:04.130 episode is such a hydra, right? As soon as they 00:33:04.130 --> 00:33:06.970 answer one question and you lop one head off, 00:33:07.369 --> 00:33:10.470 two more pop up right behind it. So I really 00:33:10.470 --> 00:33:13.950 enjoy that about this episode. It's simultaneously 00:33:13.950 --> 00:33:19.980 thrilling and... exhausting Especially for us. 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.740 Yeah, we got to talk about it, right? Well, they 00:33:23.740 --> 00:33:26.599 do I believe after the massage and which they 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.000 very clearly point out her scars on their back 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.660 by the way from the grenade and They don't play 00:33:31.660 --> 00:33:33.700 it down. They put it in our face and frankly 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:35.720 they put it in Carol's face. Let's be honest 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.079 about that Why would they choose of all things 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.599 that they could do a massage where you would 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.000 clearly see? Zosha's back. I mean I got to say 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:49.339 again passive aggressive, really not good behavior. 00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:53.579 After the exchange between Carol and Zosia on 00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:56.599 the massage tables, this gets us to what I'd 00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.819 like to call the Kepler -22B scene. And again, 00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:03.819 just scene after scene of, it's all fantastic. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.279 I loved this episode so much. It's one of my 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.079 favorite episodes. But this was shot in such 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.500 an amazing way where we get a great overhead 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:16.840 view as Carol is looking into a very powerful 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.079 telescope. And we find that Carol's looking at 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:25.619 a sun by the name of Kepler 22. And in particular, 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.059 there's a planet. revolving around Kepler -22, 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:33.960 which is Kepler -22b, and presumably that is 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.780 the planet the transmission is emitting from. 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.139 We do know that it is roughly twice the size 00:34:42.139 --> 00:34:46.380 of planet Earth. It is in the Goldilocks zone, 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.460 so there is potential for life, and it's most 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:54.280 likely almost exclusively water. So incredibly 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.409 interesting in thinking about the life forms 00:34:58.409 --> 00:35:01.690 that may be there and maybe emitting this transmission. 00:35:03.449 --> 00:35:06.250 Yeah, it makes me think of a couple of things. 00:35:06.630 --> 00:35:10.610 One, if you have a planet that is an ocean, how 00:35:10.610 --> 00:35:16.170 can that relate to frequencies, waves, and sound, 00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:20.230 and how that works? And you think about cymatics, 00:35:20.389 --> 00:35:23.570 right? You take sound and you apply it to a piece 00:35:23.570 --> 00:35:26.150 of metal with sand or something on it, and it 00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:28.949 creates these images. It creates these patterns 00:35:28.949 --> 00:35:33.110 and these designs. So water, frequency, waves, 00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:37.429 and cymatics, and the way that this transmission 00:35:37.429 --> 00:35:40.409 got to us and how it was utilized. It was utilized 00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:44.030 in a way to change our DNA by using this RNA. 00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:46.590 So all of that coming together, I thought, was 00:35:46.590 --> 00:35:51.650 really brilliant. And Carol herself is also curious 00:35:51.650 --> 00:35:54.050 about what these life forms might be like. She 00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:57.710 says, so what are people like on Kepler -22b 00:35:57.710 --> 00:36:01.010 and Zosia responds, we will probably never learn 00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:03.369 the first thing about them. They're too far away, 00:36:03.369 --> 00:36:07.170 but we know we love them and we're grateful to 00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:09.869 them and we'll pay it forward. However long it 00:36:09.869 --> 00:36:13.010 may take. We have to share their gift with whoever 00:36:13.010 --> 00:36:16.929 else might be out there. And again, they're expressing 00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:20.789 their biological imperative here, I think, but 00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:24.570 it's also in the most sinister way. It gave me 00:36:24.570 --> 00:36:26.949 goosebumps hearing her talk about it like that. 00:36:28.630 --> 00:36:32.469 It takes me back to saying how sort of religious 00:36:32.469 --> 00:36:38.650 and how evangelical this behavior is. It's obsessive, 00:36:38.869 --> 00:36:43.690 too. This is the only choice because of this 00:36:43.690 --> 00:36:46.630 biological imperative. I have to say, too, just 00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:49.050 as a tiny little sidebar, since we're talking 00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:51.710 about our water planet here, you know how they 00:36:51.710 --> 00:36:55.880 say the octopus is not from here and that they 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.619 have a DNA that is otherworldly, that is not 00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:03.000 from Earth. Throw that in the stupid theory that 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.340 the people that sent the message are octopus. 00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:08.760 Again, you're dealing with our water planet Kepler 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.039 -22b, and she does say that they're too far away. 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.280 And when you sort of do the math of anywhere 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:18.940 from 600 to 680 million light years away, it 00:37:18.940 --> 00:37:22.030 would take even if they traveled at light speed 00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:26.309 1 ,200 years for them to get to us. But in our 00:37:26.309 --> 00:37:29.349 first episode, one of the scientists had said, 00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:33.090 we don't know how long the signal has been playing. 00:37:34.469 --> 00:37:37.650 So if it has been playing for longer than 1 ,200 00:37:37.650 --> 00:37:41.030 years, they could be knocking on our door any 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:43.530 moment now. And I would even posit that they're 00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:46.190 knocking on our door within the next 10 years. 00:37:46.780 --> 00:37:49.599 because that seems to be the lifespan of the 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.019 remainder of the joined if they don't change 00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:56.000 their evil ways. We return to Carol's house, 00:37:56.019 --> 00:37:58.780 presumably the next day, and I wanted to talk 00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:01.079 about some of the additions that Carol's made 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.059 to the whiteboard. The first new addition we 00:38:04.059 --> 00:38:08.119 see is communal sleeping, communal puddle, and 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.360 right next to it is sex, question mark, and that's 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.280 one thing you and I have been talking about, 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.820 is the hive mind breeding. We know that there 00:38:15.820 --> 00:38:21.949 were 965 births just yesterday, but that had 00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:25.690 to have been from pre -joining. So we don't know 00:38:25.690 --> 00:38:30.369 if the joined are breeding in any sort of way. 00:38:30.409 --> 00:38:33.789 Isn't that literally the definition of the biological 00:38:33.789 --> 00:38:37.329 imperative is to continue to grow your species 00:38:37.329 --> 00:38:41.250 through mating? Right, that's how it makes sense 00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:43.989 to me. All these other things don't equate to 00:38:43.989 --> 00:38:47.369 biological imperatives to me. Well, certainly 00:38:47.369 --> 00:38:49.670 not in the way they define them. Because even 00:38:49.670 --> 00:38:53.170 if they do get past this starvation episode over 00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:55.769 the next 10 years, they're only going to survive 00:38:55.769 --> 00:38:59.610 for another 60, 70 years without reproducing 00:38:59.610 --> 00:39:02.909 at some point. The bounce that we get from the 00:39:02.909 --> 00:39:07.590 scene with them looking at the stars is Carol 00:39:07.590 --> 00:39:11.639 asking, how will you evangelically share this 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.280 information with the rest of the universe and 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:18.480 we get the jump cut over to giant antenna in 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.199 all caps. That's the latest thing that she's 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:26.820 added to the whiteboard. But we see communicate 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:30.119 via bodies, electric charge with a little star 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.380 next to it, radio question mark, telepathy question 00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:37.159 mark. The next one is trains to transport food. 00:39:37.789 --> 00:39:41.809 The next one is individuals feel everyone knows. 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:47.190 The next line being signal from Kepler 22B and 00:39:47.190 --> 00:39:50.769 the last one being building giant antenna using 00:39:50.769 --> 00:39:55.050 up all power in world to send signal to space. 00:39:55.309 --> 00:39:58.769 And I think that clears up a little bit of the 00:39:58.769 --> 00:40:02.449 question of why exactly are the joined utilizing 00:40:02.449 --> 00:40:07.059 all of these measures to save power and to save 00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:10.139 energy. Because we know that if they were to 00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.500 send a signal into space, the amount of power 00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:15.119 that it would take to send that across space 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.260 and have it reach another galaxy is probably 00:40:20.260 --> 00:40:23.559 more power than we're really able to utilize 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.619 currently on Earth. So it's a big problem for 00:40:26.619 --> 00:40:31.440 the joined to solve. Again, so much to unpack 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.639 in this scene alone. Oh, it's huge. And just 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.340 to talk about the building of the giant antenna 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:42.059 and the power that it takes, we remember from 00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:45.980 episode one, one of the scientists says, how 00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:50.099 massive do you think that the satellite array 00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:53.059 would be in order to shoot a signal this far 00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:56.519 to us from 600 million light years away? And 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.179 one of the guys says, it would have to be the 00:40:59.179 --> 00:41:02.760 size of a continent. Think about that. alone. 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.480 Now we have an array that's the size of a continent 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.219 and it's going to take all of the energy of the 00:41:09.219 --> 00:41:14.119 entire planet in order to energize it. What if 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:18.000 we're a throwaway planet and we're just tossing 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.400 the ball off to whoever catches it next? And 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.719 maybe even where we got the signal from Kepler 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.519 -22b is just another Bounce before it got to 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.719 us because they're gonna behave in the same way. 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.920 I assume evangelical Biological imperative everyone 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.300 in the universe needs this How does that alone 00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:43.059 not lead to the devastation of the planet? it 00:41:43.059 --> 00:41:46.199 brought to mind for me the Kardashev scale which 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.760 is a categorization of civilizations or interplanetary 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:56.059 civilizations Type one being a civilization that 00:41:56.059 --> 00:41:59.679 can harness the planet's energy, which technically 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.780 humans aren't even a type one civilization yet. 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.500 We're not to the point where we can harvest the 00:42:06.500 --> 00:42:09.900 planetary energy that is all around us. It seems 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:14.739 in order to transmit the signal, they would at 00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:17.300 the very least need to be at some sort of type 00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:20.059 one civilization and we're just not there yet. 00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:25.519 At this rate, I don't think we will be. After 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.579 Kirill's completed her list that is comprehensive 00:42:28.579 --> 00:42:31.780 and thought -provoking, her marker runs out of 00:42:31.780 --> 00:42:33.920 color. I think she likes this color purple, to 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.199 be frank, and she specifically needs a new marker, 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.480 contacts the joined and says, can you do me a 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.119 favor? And Zosia comes by, drops off some new 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.440 markers for her and asks, is this what we think 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.869 it is? Are you writing again? And Carol didn't 00:42:50.869 --> 00:42:53.989 even think about this. And she goes, uh, yeah, 00:42:54.550 --> 00:42:57.070 that's what I'm doing. I'm writing. But every 00:42:57.070 --> 00:43:00.409 time she looks at her notes for her novel, you 00:43:00.409 --> 00:43:03.110 see her getting inspired. You see her wanting 00:43:03.110 --> 00:43:06.789 to return to writing as an artist, as a creative, 00:43:06.849 --> 00:43:11.150 as Carol. And she every single time kind of shakes 00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:14.230 her head and then just slides that writing board 00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:17.989 over to reveal the joined board that she has 00:43:17.989 --> 00:43:21.969 here. when Zosia is asking if she's writing again, 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:26.590 there was a certain excitement coming from Zosia. 00:43:26.809 --> 00:43:28.809 And I think there's a couple ways to look at 00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:33.429 that. Is it that Zosia and the joined are truly 00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:36.329 excited to have something new in the world that 00:43:36.329 --> 00:43:39.590 they can consume? Or is it that the hive mind 00:43:39.590 --> 00:43:42.269 want her to write the new Waikaro novel because 00:43:42.269 --> 00:43:44.650 if Carol is writing, then she's not trying to 00:43:44.650 --> 00:43:46.869 topple everything that the joined has achieved 00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:50.860 so far. So Couple different ways to look at that, 00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:54.719 I think. Yeah, and she accuses them of this later 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.039 on. But I would also say, in the way that Zosia 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:04.880 answers it, she seems genuinely thrilled that 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.940 something new comes across the table. Here's 00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:12.860 something that I think is awful about the joined. 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.420 And this is the way that I might disagree with 00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:18.889 Joe's theory from before. it's not transcendent, 00:44:18.909 --> 00:44:23.610 it's homogenized. And from this point on, no 00:44:23.610 --> 00:44:29.369 one can have an original thought anymore. I absolutely 00:44:29.369 --> 00:44:33.250 adore that. That's what I want Zosha's feeling 00:44:33.250 --> 00:44:36.429 in this scene to be, that they are missing something 00:44:36.429 --> 00:44:39.469 and there's something lost when you become one 00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:41.949 of the joined. I think that is absolutely fantastic. 00:44:42.469 --> 00:44:44.869 Well, and it's the same reaction that Goomba 00:44:44.869 --> 00:44:49.119 had with his Avocado Toast and Carol. Here's 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.900 another unique human being sitting across from 00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:55.059 me, showing me something I hadn't seen before, 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.239 something new, something unique, something original 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.400 to me. That's what makes it interesting to me. 00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:05.300 I would say that also is what makes us human, 00:45:06.019 --> 00:45:10.820 our individuality, not our vegetarian, cannibalistic 00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:14.719 collective. I think it goes back to the conversation 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.800 of the joined being this metaphor for AI. AI 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.559 doesn't create anything new. It's just repurposing 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.539 things that have already been created and it 00:45:25.539 --> 00:45:30.030 can never create something on its own. Yeah, 00:45:30.269 --> 00:45:33.070 he's gonna have a hard time fighting. This is 00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:35.349 not about AI to some degree, especially when 00:45:35.349 --> 00:45:37.750 he closes his show out with, this was made by 00:45:37.750 --> 00:45:40.510 humans. Yeah. Even if he was ahead of his time 00:45:40.510 --> 00:45:43.010 and having written it four years ago, I'm still 00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:45.590 okay with that, because he's essentially also 00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:50.989 not wrong. After this... She goes back in and 00:45:50.989 --> 00:45:53.130 this is again where she faces her whiteboard 00:45:53.130 --> 00:45:55.250 and she's reviewing the notes of her novel and 00:45:55.250 --> 00:45:57.730 she's seriously considering now, hey, I have 00:45:57.730 --> 00:46:00.869 an audience here as a writer would and go, I 00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:03.110 do have an opportunity to do something that I 00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:05.789 really enjoy doing here. But she still grabs 00:46:05.789 --> 00:46:08.489 that whiteboard and slides it across. And she 00:46:08.489 --> 00:46:11.690 finishes the addition to her antenna revelation. 00:46:11.969 --> 00:46:14.429 How? That is the last question she writes on 00:46:14.429 --> 00:46:19.900 the board. How are they? trying to do this. And 00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:22.760 that's the question of the day, right? How are 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.539 they going to produce the amount of energy needed 00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:32.239 to transmit this broadcast? So a lot again, another 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.260 Hydra, right? Another question that's popped 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:38.699 up here. Well into the next scene, we find Zosia 00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:42.820 and Carol and they're at a empty football field 00:46:42.820 --> 00:46:46.079 and they're playing the very fun game of croquet. 00:46:46.650 --> 00:46:51.110 As Carol misses her first croquet shot, Zosia 00:46:51.110 --> 00:46:54.909 hits hers and it goes right into the goal and 00:46:54.909 --> 00:46:57.449 Carol brings up a really fascinating question. 00:46:58.030 --> 00:47:01.329 Do the joined share muscle memory? Even though 00:47:01.329 --> 00:47:04.869 Zosia mentions that she has all of the greatest 00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:07.829 croquet champions within the hive mind, do they 00:47:07.829 --> 00:47:10.690 share that muscle memory? And again, we get one 00:47:10.690 --> 00:47:15.449 of those non -answers from Zosia and she just 00:47:15.449 --> 00:47:20.010 answers, Maybe or maybe you just suck Carol and 00:47:20.010 --> 00:47:22.570 we get a great joke in the background on the 00:47:22.570 --> 00:47:25.969 jumbotron We see you suck Carol come up and a 00:47:25.969 --> 00:47:27.989 bunch of stars flashing over it I thought that 00:47:27.989 --> 00:47:31.650 was a fairly funny scene, but we get the sinister 00:47:31.650 --> 00:47:34.329 undertones of her not specifically answering 00:47:34.329 --> 00:47:37.710 that question as well she does what magicians 00:47:37.710 --> 00:47:41.110 do she distracts you instead of answering the 00:47:41.110 --> 00:47:44.860 question and I think the question actually answers 00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:47.860 itself. We already know. And we already know 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:50.980 it from episode one. You have the TGI Fridays 00:47:50.980 --> 00:47:55.860 pilot. And you have people that are seemingly 00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.960 out of character according to their costume doing 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.900 remarkable things. Who's to say that this signal 00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:04.760 isn't changeable now that they're connected? 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.960 and you can't reprogram them to do other things 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:11.300 that would go against their biological imperative 00:48:11.300 --> 00:48:13.579 or whatever they want to call their philosophy. 00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:16.679 So yeah, when she does the good non -answer, 00:48:16.820 --> 00:48:19.199 that is probably one of the biggest distractions. 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.199 Oh, hey, look at this shiny thing over here. 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.840 We don't want to let you know more about how 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.519 capable we really are. Because that is the scary 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:33.250 part, right? It's one of them. Yeah. Yeah, I 00:48:33.250 --> 00:48:36.329 got cannibals that are capable of being an entire 00:48:36.329 --> 00:48:38.670 world of an army that can go against me and my 00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:43.030 12 cohorts. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that gets us over 00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.030 to Loughlin's diner. When we roll up to the place, 00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:48.829 we assume it's been there for a long time and 00:48:48.829 --> 00:48:50.610 Carol just hasn't been there for a while, but 00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:52.809 we find out actually it's quite a bit different 00:48:52.809 --> 00:48:57.869 than that. Yeah, as we hear Carol, and she's 00:48:57.869 --> 00:49:00.730 sort of reminiscing, she's going over her early 00:49:00.730 --> 00:49:03.730 days of writing. And even in the previous scene, 00:49:04.030 --> 00:49:07.030 Zosia asks her, what was your best day of writing? 00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:10.889 And Carol's response is such a Carol response. 00:49:11.809 --> 00:49:14.190 She says, what was the most fun you had getting 00:49:14.190 --> 00:49:16.449 your teeth drilled or something like that? So 00:49:16.449 --> 00:49:19.349 it was pretty great. But this sort of builds 00:49:19.349 --> 00:49:23.610 on that. And Carol is going over her early days 00:49:23.610 --> 00:49:26.110 as a writer when she's writing on legal pads 00:49:26.110 --> 00:49:29.110 that she's stolen from her work and there is 00:49:29.110 --> 00:49:32.869 a Waitress named Brie who was always there and 00:49:32.869 --> 00:49:35.469 she let her sit there as long as she wanted and 00:49:35.469 --> 00:49:39.809 always kept her coffee topped off But as she's 00:49:39.809 --> 00:49:41.690 reminiscing and all these memories are coming 00:49:41.690 --> 00:49:45.730 back. We find out that Wait a second. This diner 00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:50.280 burned down Right When you see that hit her all 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.500 at once, it is the culmination of all the things 00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:56.480 that she's experienced with Zosia since she and 00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.139 Zosia saw each other the first time with the 00:49:59.139 --> 00:50:03.219 hug and all of the manipulative things Zosia 00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:05.760 has done to her up to this point. I think it 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.539 just all landed on her, especially when you take 00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:12.519 a restaurant that had literally burned down and 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:16.159 completely recreate it from scratch. Also, frankly 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.150 terrifying. Also, again, let's go back to our 00:50:20.150 --> 00:50:24.409 thought of how much forethought the joined have. 00:50:25.030 --> 00:50:27.809 They had to have taken an immense amount of time 00:50:27.809 --> 00:50:31.010 to come up with all the materials and build it, 00:50:31.309 --> 00:50:34.789 and it looked like it had been there for 40 years. 00:50:34.829 --> 00:50:37.090 You had duct tape on the seat, all the little 00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:39.449 details. You can't tell me that doesn't take 00:50:39.449 --> 00:50:42.230 a significant amount of time, and maybe it was 00:50:42.230 --> 00:50:47.059 the last 40 days that Carol had been alone. I 00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:48.900 don't know, man. That's a lot to get accomplished 00:50:48.900 --> 00:50:50.860 in such a short period of time without having 00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:53.860 some sort of foreknowledge of that or something. 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.219 And it has to be more than just the collective 00:50:56.219 --> 00:51:01.039 people inside of the joint having their version 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.780 of their history with Carol and their knowledge 00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:06.300 of Carol. It has to be more than that. Here's 00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:10.019 where I would drop this phrase about the joint's 00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:15.199 behavior. Love bombing. That's exactly what they 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.400 are doing. so much so that they're going to recreate 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:23.239 the place of her origin. Again, overreaching, 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.679 love bombing, too much, poorly thought out, and 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.480 now I realize I just found myself in a love bomb 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:35.460 trap, and this diner shouldn't be here. I thought 00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:39.550 they were going to say that they almost... reconstituted 00:51:39.550 --> 00:51:43.389 Brie from something. I was glad to hear that 00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:47.309 they just brought her in from Florida. But yeah, 00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:50.650 way too much. And of course, Carol's reaction 00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:53.269 of her literally freezing up, almost like the 00:51:53.269 --> 00:51:57.070 joined do when they get their transmission. And 00:51:57.070 --> 00:52:01.619 Zosia even asks, is everything okay? perfect 00:52:01.619 --> 00:52:04.099 Carol performance. She stands right up, walks 00:52:04.099 --> 00:52:07.039 out the door. The traffic outside literally stops. 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.699 She gets in the little blue car and hightails 00:52:09.699 --> 00:52:13.059 at home. And she had even ended the conversation 00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:17.960 with those were the best days. And she kind of 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.980 lets it land there as the manipulation is kind 00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:24.659 of laid bare. At this point, we see that the 00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:28.059 facade has fallen away from Carol. And she is 00:52:28.059 --> 00:52:33.630 now angry again because They've tried to recreate 00:52:33.630 --> 00:52:37.949 the best days of her life and we pick it up that 00:52:37.949 --> 00:52:41.530 evening in the next scene where we see Carol 00:52:41.530 --> 00:52:44.150 standing on her balcony overlooking the cul -de 00:52:44.150 --> 00:52:47.969 -sac and she's having herself a drink and she 00:52:47.969 --> 00:52:54.409 sees Zosia drive up and Zosia comes in and Carol 00:52:54.409 --> 00:52:57.630 is pouring herself a drink and she offers Zosia 00:52:57.630 --> 00:53:01.159 a drink, somewhat angrily. Zosia says, we'll 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:05.380 take one if that's what you want. And Carol asks, 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.820 would it kill you to say I? And even at that 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:12.119 point where Zosia tries to change her vernacular 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:16.739 here, the joined still struggle to say I. Carol 00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:19.420 even says, another great Caroline here, all the 00:53:19.420 --> 00:53:21.440 brains in the world and you can't navigate a 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.820 fucking pronoun. That works on so many levels 00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:28.900 without a doubt. Well, it calls back to John 00:53:28.900 --> 00:53:31.639 Cena. We are John Cena I believe that was the 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.800 first time we saw them break from the this individual 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.500 is or I and I wonder if the longer you're steeped 00:53:39.500 --> 00:53:43.059 and the joined the more joined and more homogenous 00:53:43.059 --> 00:53:47.480 you become and Zocha's Response is actually smart. 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.929 She says well, it's difficult for me to work 00:53:51.929 --> 00:53:55.949 in singular pronouns because they're not. And 00:53:55.949 --> 00:53:59.469 so she has to go in character almost to do that. 00:54:00.070 --> 00:54:04.369 At this point, Carol begins asking Zosia about 00:54:04.369 --> 00:54:08.170 Bree, the waitress from the diner, and asking 00:54:08.170 --> 00:54:11.170 about where she was prior to then shipping her 00:54:11.170 --> 00:54:14.269 in to reassume this waitress position, just to 00:54:14.269 --> 00:54:17.980 give Carol this. distraction and she even mentions 00:54:17.980 --> 00:54:21.239 that she admits that the hive mind is trying 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.780 to distract her and trying to knock her off this 00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:26.800 course and she says because i haven't given up 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.840 tell me you know i won't give up and zoesha responds 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.519 we know we wish you would she delivers one of 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.739 my favorite lines in this episode for sure but 00:54:37.739 --> 00:54:42.019 also it just so clearly defines my feelings on 00:54:42.019 --> 00:54:45.000 this show entirely and the joined themselves. 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.860 She says, it's all an act. It's manipulative 00:54:48.860 --> 00:54:51.820 bullshit because you know I haven't given up. 00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:55.440 Right there, it's manipulative bullshit. That's 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.099 what I've said since episode one. That's exactly 00:54:58.099 --> 00:55:00.840 what all of this stuff is. Word for word, that's 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:06.139 what you said, yeah. Yeah, and notice that Zosia 00:55:06.139 --> 00:55:11.829 doesn't respond to that. And I think it again 00:55:11.829 --> 00:55:15.050 goes back to my heart of heart theories is that 00:55:15.050 --> 00:55:20.170 they are duplicitous. They are manipulative. 00:55:20.309 --> 00:55:25.050 They are deceptive. They pretend not to be. And 00:55:25.050 --> 00:55:27.869 I think they almost pretend not to be all things, 00:55:27.909 --> 00:55:30.670 but we can see if that plays out later. But this 00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:33.849 is where the cards literally end up on the table. 00:55:34.989 --> 00:55:38.699 Carol says, I like you, you people. There's a 00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:40.679 lot of things that I like about you. She's really 00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.380 admitting that she, there is some sort of adoration 00:55:44.380 --> 00:55:48.500 or some sort of longing for another person and 00:55:48.500 --> 00:55:52.679 that she sees that there are maybe even some 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.300 good aspects to the joined, but she knows in 00:55:56.300 --> 00:55:59.480 her core, this is wrong. And she says, someone 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.739 has to put the world right. Even if it means 00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:05.719 you all leave me again, even if that means I'm 00:56:05.769 --> 00:56:09.289 And she, again, lets it lie there, even if it 00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:11.730 means I'm all alone. She has to put the world 00:56:11.730 --> 00:56:15.889 right again. We get, really, from Zosia, the 00:56:15.889 --> 00:56:18.269 biggest weapon of all, I think, at this point. 00:56:20.349 --> 00:56:23.510 Yeah, this scene deserves a good, solid breakdown. 00:56:23.889 --> 00:56:26.150 What I think I got from this was it wasn't that 00:56:26.150 --> 00:56:30.889 she likes the joined. I think she likes Zosia, 00:56:31.210 --> 00:56:33.929 and for all the reasons that the joint chose 00:56:33.929 --> 00:56:38.889 Zosia to be the ambassador to Carol, as we saw 00:56:38.889 --> 00:56:43.429 from the very first, second episode. And look, 00:56:43.530 --> 00:56:46.989 it's working. What is the line that we love so 00:56:46.989 --> 00:56:49.449 much from this show? Why does she have to be 00:56:49.449 --> 00:56:53.909 so goddamn fuckable? And we know that Carol has 00:56:53.909 --> 00:56:56.590 fought that this entire time. How can you not? 00:56:57.230 --> 00:57:00.429 Now we're in this position where she's putting 00:57:00.429 --> 00:57:03.429 her cards on the table not only for confessing 00:57:03.429 --> 00:57:06.829 she's not giving up and that she knows that they 00:57:06.829 --> 00:57:12.650 know, but this is a train wreck. It is unsustainable. 00:57:13.030 --> 00:57:16.449 This is a mental illness. It is a psychosis. 00:57:16.949 --> 00:57:19.969 You are starving and you cannot pick a goddamn 00:57:19.969 --> 00:57:23.690 apple off a tree. Someone has to put the world 00:57:23.690 --> 00:57:27.610 right, even though You may all leave me and so 00:57:27.610 --> 00:57:30.769 she tells this person that she cares about seemingly 00:57:30.769 --> 00:57:33.349 and maybe there's a little bit of Helen in there 00:57:33.349 --> 00:57:35.230 and maybe there's a little bit of Zosia and maybe 00:57:35.230 --> 00:57:38.829 there's a little bit of the pirate Queen in there, 00:57:38.989 --> 00:57:42.989 but she's being brutally honest here and I agree 00:57:42.989 --> 00:57:46.590 with her 100 % and again just like an evangel 00:57:46.590 --> 00:57:51.570 or like someone with a mental illness Zosia ignores 00:57:51.570 --> 00:57:55.389 the entire thing and goes with the final weapon 00:57:55.389 --> 00:58:01.090 that she has left, which is physical love. And 00:58:01.090 --> 00:58:05.829 when I first saw this kiss happen with Zosia 00:58:05.829 --> 00:58:10.409 leaning in and trying to kiss Carol, and Carol 00:58:10.409 --> 00:58:14.489 kisses her but then pulls back, I thought, man, 00:58:14.530 --> 00:58:16.989 do they have another kissing scheme that they're 00:58:16.989 --> 00:58:19.690 trying to work here to see if she kisses her 00:58:19.690 --> 00:58:22.530 and she turns like we began the entire series 00:58:22.530 --> 00:58:27.210 with? It certainly called to that, I think. Secondly, 00:58:27.289 --> 00:58:31.429 of course, we have what I consider to be the 00:58:31.429 --> 00:58:36.730 most practical response in Carol is she is practically 00:58:36.730 --> 00:58:43.150 starved of physical compassion and attention. 00:58:43.630 --> 00:58:48.230 And she leaps in feet first, or I would say face 00:58:48.230 --> 00:58:53.050 first. You know, when I'm watching it, I don't 00:58:53.050 --> 00:58:54.909 assume everybody's watching it all at the same 00:58:54.909 --> 00:58:56.909 time, but back in the day when you watch television, 00:58:57.090 --> 00:59:00.329 we all did watch it at the same time. And in 00:59:00.329 --> 00:59:03.909 the back of my mind, I heard a collective scream 00:59:03.909 --> 00:59:07.570 from millions of people watching this episode, 00:59:07.630 --> 00:59:11.409 because I know millions of people were dying 00:59:11.409 --> 00:59:15.420 for this particular scene to happen. I let out 00:59:15.420 --> 00:59:18.320 my own little scream over here in Chicago, certainly. 00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:20.980 She brought out the big guns, right? She brought 00:59:20.980 --> 00:59:25.420 out the atom bomb on the weaponizing of Carol's 00:59:25.420 --> 00:59:29.920 loneliness. And you can't really blame Carol 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:33.159 for where she is and the things that she's experienced. 00:59:33.739 --> 00:59:38.139 And after a fairly fervent makeout scene, it 00:59:38.139 --> 00:59:42.989 has a really great cut to Zosia. alone in Carol's 00:59:42.989 --> 00:59:47.030 bed. Again, she's laying face down, so we get 00:59:47.030 --> 00:59:49.349 a really great look at the scars on her back 00:59:49.349 --> 00:59:54.389 from her saving Carol. And as Zosia rises from 00:59:54.389 --> 00:59:57.929 the bed, she finds that Carol is on her computer 00:59:57.929 --> 01:00:01.670 and we find out that Carol has been working on 01:00:01.670 --> 01:00:05.070 a brand new chapter one for her Waikaro novel. 01:00:05.630 --> 01:00:10.219 This scene and the previous one felt like the 01:00:10.219 --> 01:00:13.159 culmination of the charm offensive and we do 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.760 have a clear winner here and that unfortunately 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:20.239 is the joined seemingly they have used their 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:24.300 final weapon against Carol and has defeated her 01:00:24.300 --> 01:00:27.880 and has won this this round of spit if you will 01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.559 Carol presents the chapter one to Zosia who goes 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:33.320 upstairs and reads it alone and comes back and 01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:36.340 Again, we have a scene here where Zosia is going 01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:39.340 over the chapter and we find out that Rabban 01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:42.559 is now a woman as well in this latest novel and 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.719 they're going over a lot of the lore from the 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.800 Waikaro novels and I feel like there's something 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.199 more there that I haven't dug into enough and 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.719 there's possibly something within the lore that 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.619 they're hinting at but there is that performative 01:00:57.619 --> 01:01:02.559 nature of how much Zosia loves the... first chapter 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:05.840 of this novel. I think she loves that Carol has 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.900 begun the creation process again and is distracted 01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:13.539 and there is something new coming into the world. 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.079 I want to point something out that may seem innocuous 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.960 upon first viewing but I think is vitally important. 01:01:23.860 --> 01:01:29.619 When Zosia wakes up in Carol's bed and sees Carol 01:01:29.619 --> 01:01:36.989 writing again, She smiles Now think about this 01:01:36.989 --> 01:01:42.670 She's not playing to anyone She wakes up and 01:01:42.670 --> 01:01:47.969 smiles as she sees Carol writing Now I think 01:01:47.969 --> 01:01:50.190 this could be a couple of things I think it could 01:01:50.190 --> 01:01:53.409 be as you mentioned They are actually genuinely 01:01:53.409 --> 01:01:56.869 pleased to be able to find something brand new 01:01:56.869 --> 01:02:00.559 in this world that they know so well And I think 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.940 that's all of us. Sometimes the newest thing 01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:07.340 is the most exciting thing. Secondly, I think 01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:11.000 it's another indication of the breaking from 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:16.880 the joined through individuality, meaning it's 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:21.360 the actual Zosia smiling as she sits up in bed. 01:02:22.179 --> 01:02:26.099 Beyond that, the rest of that scene is so wrought 01:02:26.099 --> 01:02:29.449 with... We'll call it insider speak, I guess. 01:02:29.489 --> 01:02:31.769 If you were a super fan of these books, you know 01:02:31.769 --> 01:02:35.230 all of these little phrases. And they're placed 01:02:35.230 --> 01:02:37.570 in such a great way that if you remotely know 01:02:37.570 --> 01:02:39.829 about fantasy novels, you can basically follow 01:02:39.829 --> 01:02:41.969 along with what they're saying here. And it's 01:02:41.969 --> 01:02:45.789 fun and fantastic. But I'm going to disagree 01:02:45.789 --> 01:02:51.469 with you on her capitulating to the joined. I 01:02:51.469 --> 01:02:56.860 think she purposely wrote this chapter. for the 01:02:56.860 --> 01:03:03.579 joined and made Raban a woman for the joined 01:03:03.579 --> 01:03:08.800 because that's what they expected and she's still 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.800 using it as a tool in her charm offensive. Her 01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.699 charm offensive is not over just because she 01:03:16.699 --> 01:03:20.920 got some. She's more empowered now than ever. 01:03:21.809 --> 01:03:25.010 I think that you very much may be onto something 01:03:25.010 --> 01:03:29.610 here, because much like the hive mind, I may 01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:32.070 have once again underestimated Carol in that 01:03:32.070 --> 01:03:37.690 this is all a part of her La Turca plan, if you 01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:41.050 will. I like that. Look, we're not all Bear Jordan 01:03:41.050 --> 01:03:45.210 here, is what I'm saying. And it is a great conversation. 01:03:45.389 --> 01:03:48.070 And the way that the conversation ends, Carol 01:03:48.070 --> 01:03:51.280 asks, so you like it so far? She is a master 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.000 of her craft, but she still wants to know. And 01:03:54.000 --> 01:04:00.159 Zosia says, I love it. And she consciously made 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.559 the effort to jump into the I love it without 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:08.239 prompting. And I think that that's another pin 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:12.400 in the idea of the breaking away individually 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:16.500 by sharing love with Carol, specifically, or 01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:21.000 any of the unjoined. And we get that very much 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.719 in the next scene here. As things are coming 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:27.539 to a close, we get our timestamp here of 60 days 01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:30.360 and eight hours and some odd minutes. But one 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.619 thing I wanted to point out early in this scene 01:04:32.619 --> 01:04:37.099 as we are getting our timestamp is there's a 01:04:37.099 --> 01:04:41.369 radio playing. This is an actual radio station. 01:04:41.769 --> 01:04:44.590 Did they bring back a radio station specifically 01:04:44.590 --> 01:04:47.750 for Carol to listen to? Because the hive mind's 01:04:47.750 --> 01:04:50.690 not out there listening to radio. And the song 01:04:50.690 --> 01:04:53.550 that they're playing even is Miles Davis, All 01:04:53.550 --> 01:04:56.650 of You, which was really great. But we pick up 01:04:56.650 --> 01:04:59.289 with Carol as she's washing some peppers at the 01:04:59.289 --> 01:05:02.750 sink and she looks out and is staring at Helen's 01:05:02.750 --> 01:05:06.550 tombstone. And I think that might actually jive 01:05:06.550 --> 01:05:09.989 with your theory of This is all part of her plan 01:05:09.989 --> 01:05:13.210 this domestic life that she's living with Zosia. 01:05:13.349 --> 01:05:16.750 It might be all for show because She's staring 01:05:16.750 --> 01:05:20.409 at her real love and not this fake love this 01:05:20.409 --> 01:05:24.449 manipulative love The reflection of her looking 01:05:24.449 --> 01:05:27.489 through that back window on to Helen's grave 01:05:27.489 --> 01:05:29.210 I think is quite telling and I'm really glad 01:05:29.210 --> 01:05:31.789 that you brought that up and so she was like, 01:05:31.789 --> 01:05:34.539 oh, I hope you're making enough for two Man, 01:05:34.539 --> 01:05:38.820 I immediately felt like oh, I was kind of Looking 01:05:38.820 --> 01:05:40.679 forward to you bailing because I need to get 01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:42.619 back over to my whiteboard and all my theories 01:05:42.619 --> 01:05:45.380 about your weird ass But instead we're gonna 01:05:45.380 --> 01:05:47.780 have to sit here and talk about omelets. This 01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:51.179 is the conversation that I find Probably most 01:05:51.179 --> 01:05:54.360 important in my theory, but I'd like for you 01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:56.980 to kind of run over the the omelet conversation 01:05:56.980 --> 01:06:00.440 a little bit Seemingly at this point Zosia has 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:05.199 completely shifted to utilizing I and me and 01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:10.199 my and carol asks her do you like omelets and 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:16.400 zosia responds that i do like omelets even though 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:22.139 i didn't have many opportunities to to have omelets 01:06:22.139 --> 01:06:24.820 and carol asks her well what is your favorite 01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:29.300 food and zosia responds with this story about 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.380 Not the joined and not the hive mind, but the 01:06:33.380 --> 01:06:37.840 individual that is Zosia and her specific story 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:42.300 with loving mango ice cream at this point Zosia 01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:46.380 is almost exclusively speaking with individual 01:06:46.380 --> 01:06:52.099 pronouns as opposed to collective pronouns. I 01:06:52.099 --> 01:06:58.429 think this is an expected result of Carol's charm 01:06:58.429 --> 01:07:03.650 offensive, that she has essentially forced Zosia 01:07:03.650 --> 01:07:08.949 into using I instead of we, so much so that it 01:07:08.949 --> 01:07:12.610 was more comfortable and easier for Zosia to 01:07:12.610 --> 01:07:17.050 fall back into her original self and begin speaking 01:07:17.050 --> 01:07:21.309 in first person. And I can't help but have this 01:07:21.309 --> 01:07:23.969 lean into my theory that the more interaction 01:07:23.969 --> 01:07:28.300 they have with Carol and Frankly, in this instance, 01:07:28.460 --> 01:07:31.179 the more intimate interaction that they have 01:07:31.179 --> 01:07:35.019 with Carol, that she is the antidote. Whether 01:07:35.019 --> 01:07:37.800 it's, you know, the theory before about using 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.639 her DNA or her blood as an antidote, maybe her 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.699 love is the antidote, and the more that any one 01:07:43.699 --> 01:07:45.840 of them hang out with her for extended periods 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.019 of time and or to the level now that Zosia has 01:07:49.019 --> 01:07:52.869 with her, they have a switch that can possibly 01:07:52.869 --> 01:07:54.969 switch them back to their individuality. And 01:07:54.969 --> 01:07:58.590 this scene right here is the apex of that theory, 01:07:58.730 --> 01:08:03.869 that we saw her delight in her story of the mango 01:08:03.869 --> 01:08:08.070 ice cream, so much so that Carol saw her delight 01:08:08.070 --> 01:08:10.429 in it and touched her hand and said, thank you 01:08:10.429 --> 01:08:13.309 for sharing that. And I believe she honestly 01:08:13.309 --> 01:08:16.250 felt that because this is the first time that 01:08:16.250 --> 01:08:20.140 Zosia had been that individual that Carol so 01:08:20.140 --> 01:08:22.319 desperately wanted her to be. Up to this, she 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.460 was Google. And this person in front of her right 01:08:25.460 --> 01:08:30.939 now is not Google. I really love, within the 01:08:30.939 --> 01:08:34.159 last couple episodes, really exploring the conflict 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:37.979 within Carol and her relationship with the hive 01:08:37.979 --> 01:08:42.859 mind. She truly meant that she was thankful that 01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:46.649 Zosia shared this. memory with her. And it wasn't 01:08:46.649 --> 01:08:48.869 a memory of the hive mind. It was a memory of 01:08:48.869 --> 01:08:52.189 the individual. So I really loved that. And we 01:08:52.189 --> 01:08:55.409 get a great performance out of Zosia, not only 01:08:55.409 --> 01:08:59.069 in telling her the memory that she has of this 01:08:59.069 --> 01:09:02.529 mango ice cream, but right after that, when she 01:09:02.529 --> 01:09:04.930 completely freezes up. And it's very similar 01:09:04.930 --> 01:09:10.010 to how the joint froze around Kumba when Carol 01:09:10.010 --> 01:09:14.710 was approaching Las Vegas and There's a just 01:09:14.710 --> 01:09:20.229 a split second of Zosia Seemingly completely 01:09:20.229 --> 01:09:24.670 terrified and that deep fear within her that 01:09:24.670 --> 01:09:27.970 Whatever is happening could have just ruined 01:09:27.970 --> 01:09:31.430 all of the work that I've put in over the last 01:09:31.430 --> 01:09:34.729 couple weeks here with Carol and It could all 01:09:34.729 --> 01:09:37.270 be for nothing as she responds. You're going 01:09:37.270 --> 01:09:42.210 to have a visitor There's no doubt it was terror 01:09:42.210 --> 01:09:45.909 that crosses her face. It suggests she knows 01:09:45.909 --> 01:09:49.050 that these two are coming together and that that 01:09:49.050 --> 01:09:51.550 is a major problem for the joint, especially 01:09:51.550 --> 01:09:53.770 with how strong -willed they are trying to get 01:09:53.770 --> 01:09:57.970 back to the old world. It just goes to show how 01:09:57.970 --> 01:10:02.449 formidable Carol and Menousos are, that a hive 01:10:02.449 --> 01:10:06.279 mind of seven billion plus people could have 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.520 a fear of these two joining together. I think 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:13.319 that is quite wonderful. But we pick up with 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:17.520 Manny as he is treating the wounds on his back 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.460 and we're back at his yellow ambulance with the 01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:24.979 yellow gurney inside. What I loved was as he's 01:10:24.979 --> 01:10:28.880 pouring the... peroxide across his back. We even 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.220 see it bubble up. It was just such a great little 01:10:31.220 --> 01:10:34.560 piece of special effects. But he hops back in 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:39.000 his ambulance and we see that he is just 31 kilometers 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:43.199 from the Mexican -American border. That essentially 01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.479 gets us to the tail end of the scene as Manny 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.859 wheels off toward Carol and we anticipate the 01:10:48.859 --> 01:10:51.460 two of them meeting in the next episode. I gosh 01:10:51.460 --> 01:10:56.069 darn hope so. At that border, he's eight hours 01:10:56.069 --> 01:10:59.789 or so away from Carol. So in the grand scheme 01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:02.130 of things, that's a fairly short amount of time. 01:11:02.409 --> 01:11:04.949 So I think they'll be meeting up the next day. 01:11:04.949 --> 01:11:08.149 And I'm very much looking forward to that. Excellent. 01:11:08.310 --> 01:11:10.909 Well, do you have final thoughts on this particular 01:11:10.909 --> 01:11:13.310 episode? And how are you feeling about the final 01:11:13.310 --> 01:11:17.750 episode? I thought this episode was magnificent. 01:11:17.750 --> 01:11:19.930 It's one of my favorite episodes. We had so much 01:11:19.930 --> 01:11:22.250 information and so much more questions brought 01:11:22.250 --> 01:11:25.350 up. I can't wait for the next seven days to come 01:11:25.350 --> 01:11:28.329 by because I'm so excited to see how they wrap 01:11:28.329 --> 01:11:33.189 this up. And I got a feeling that they're not 01:11:33.189 --> 01:11:35.750 going to end us on a calm note. I think there's 01:11:35.750 --> 01:11:38.710 going to be quite the cliffhanger at the end 01:11:38.710 --> 01:11:40.729 of this season. That's really going to keep us 01:11:40.729 --> 01:11:43.430 for the amount of time that it takes for season 01:11:43.430 --> 01:11:46.770 two here. So I am incredibly excited. I haven't 01:11:46.770 --> 01:11:49.510 even seen the title of the next episode. Do you 01:11:49.510 --> 01:11:53.399 know what that is? I do, actually. The final 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:57.479 episode for season one, episode nine, is La Chinga 01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:03.380 o el Mundo, The Girl or The World. I love that. 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:07.359 That's great. Yeah. It hearkens us back to Menuso's 01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.640 tapes as he's learning English a little bit there. 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.859 For those of you that... don't like calling the 01:12:13.859 --> 01:12:17.199 trees the porcupine trees. They are Chunga palm 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.939 trees. They are the spiny trees that Manousos 01:12:19.939 --> 01:12:22.840 fell onto in the Darien Gap. So feel free to 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.520 call them that. I personally like porcupine trees 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.899 myself. This particular episode was directed 01:12:28.899 --> 01:12:31.779 by Melissa Bernstein and it was written by Johnny 01:12:31.779 --> 01:12:34.239 Gomez. I think they knocked it right out of the 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:37.260 park. I'm super thrilled about what is to come 01:12:37.260 --> 01:12:40.600 next for the upcoming episode and I'm sure our 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:45.520 listeners are too. Well, I think that'll do us 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:47.960 for today Carol. 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