WEBVTT 00:00:16.059 --> 00:00:19.399 Welcome to E Pluribus Unum, the podcast where 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:22.219 we dive deeper into the hive mind. I'm Josh. 00:00:22.780 --> 00:00:25.460 And I'm Eric. And today we're going to be talking 00:00:25.460 --> 00:00:30.719 about episode two entitled Pirate Lady. pirate 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.719 lady. This one goes over Carol as she meets the 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.700 other five Immunes that also speak English and 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:44.179 the first meeting between the remainder of humanity 00:00:44.179 --> 00:00:47.140 that is no longer a part of the hive mind. Much 00:00:47.140 --> 00:00:49.799 like the first episode, and I know we had mentioned 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.119 this in our previous episode of the podcast, 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.479 we open up with another really brilliant Vince 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.359 Gilligan cold open. This one reminded me of Breaking 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.100 Bad when the twin Mexican assassins are crawling 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:06.340 along the ground up to some sort of altar that 00:01:06.340 --> 00:01:09.060 they pray to. This one very much had that Saint 00:01:09.060 --> 00:01:11.659 tone and similar vibe to it as we're introduced 00:01:11.659 --> 00:01:14.079 into this episode and introduced to the newest 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:19.019 character here. We start up in Morocco as this 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:22.560 person is cleaning up the dead bodies after the 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.379 joining as we find out it's called. And we follow 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:28.379 this person as they hop on a plane and then they're 00:01:28.329 --> 00:01:31.909 heading somewhere, an unknown destination. All 00:01:31.909 --> 00:01:34.209 of the Hive Mind is working around this person 00:01:34.209 --> 00:01:37.650 as they're taking this journey to their destination, 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:40.670 so much so that when this character arrives, 00:01:41.349 --> 00:01:46.010 who you find out is named Zosia, she is going 00:01:46.010 --> 00:01:48.269 in to take a shower and all of the Hive Mind 00:01:48.269 --> 00:01:50.709 are getting her clothes and her makeup ready. 00:01:51.430 --> 00:01:53.629 And the whole time you're just wondering, what 00:01:53.629 --> 00:01:55.250 does this have to do with the story that we've 00:01:55.250 --> 00:01:57.939 been told so far? And of course we find out But 00:01:57.939 --> 00:02:00.680 just giving you that introduction mystery is 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.620 such a Vince Gilligan thing to do and a really 00:02:03.620 --> 00:02:06.239 great way to open an episode. And the other thing 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.699 is this entire opening sequence has no dialogue. 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.840 There's no conversation with all of the interaction. 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:17.000 And the interaction, again, is extremely unsettlingly 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.400 fluid. It's like watching a perfect process. 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.020 You're like, oh, that's really satisfying when 00:02:21.020 --> 00:02:24.909 that happens. It also illustrates the thing about 00:02:24.909 --> 00:02:29.169 how each of these hive mind characters can do 00:02:29.169 --> 00:02:32.810 anything. She's first walking through the desert, 00:02:32.870 --> 00:02:36.050 she goes to pull a body out of a car, she goes 00:02:36.050 --> 00:02:39.129 to drive a scooter, then she drives to the airport 00:02:39.129 --> 00:02:42.469 and jumps into a gigantic plane and apparently 00:02:42.469 --> 00:02:46.409 is also able to fire it up and take off and then 00:02:46.409 --> 00:02:49.650 land in Albuquerque. Then it shows that it's 00:02:49.650 --> 00:02:52.500 sort of like a matrix scenario that Not only 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:54.800 are their minds connected and not only are their 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.580 memories connected, but they can share those 00:02:57.580 --> 00:03:01.060 skills. You bring up a really great point about 00:03:01.060 --> 00:03:04.180 they're doing all of this without speaking a 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:06.659 word. There's no dialogue in this opening scene. 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.439 And I think that goes back to our previous conversation 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:12.719 that we had about episode one, where we're talking 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:17.680 a lot about language and it's almost as if language 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:21.879 is sort of the crutch. that humans use for connection. 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.960 Whereas when you're a hive mind, there's no need 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.620 for language. There's no need for speaking even. 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.280 Is language a portion of what makes us an individual? 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:34.939 Is that a portion of how we bring our thoughts 00:03:34.939 --> 00:03:37.199 into the public conscious as well? There's a 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.759 lot to think about there when it comes to not 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.539 only their mentioning of things like Finnegan 00:03:43.539 --> 00:03:46.300 Wake in the previous episode, but the complete 00:03:46.300 --> 00:03:49.580 lack of almost interaction that these characters 00:03:49.580 --> 00:03:53.879 have since they are a part of one mind. In the 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:55.879 next scene is when she wakes up on the floor. 00:03:56.460 --> 00:03:58.699 It's that shot of the close up of the liquor 00:03:58.699 --> 00:04:01.419 bottle that is half empty lying on the floor 00:04:01.419 --> 00:04:04.180 and it's slowly dripping onto the floor. And 00:04:04.180 --> 00:04:08.180 I'm a huge film noir junkie and it just immediately 00:04:08.180 --> 00:04:12.060 reminded me of a sort of film noir. the drunken 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:14.939 detective waking up the next day and having to 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:18.379 contend not only with the headache and the hangover 00:04:18.379 --> 00:04:21.160 and such, but the results of the previous day. 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.199 And of course, the first thing that she lays 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.899 eyes on is the body of her dead lover, which 00:04:26.899 --> 00:04:30.800 of course is another very noirish style of opening 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.620 up this episode and jumping right back into where 00:04:33.620 --> 00:04:36.660 we left off with Carol as well. And it leads 00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:39.819 us to the center part of this particular episode. 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.360 To summarize it, Carol realizes that she has 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.560 to bury her partner, and we go through this series 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.319 of scenes that she makes the attempt to do that. 00:04:50.339 --> 00:04:52.959 And in the midst of trying to bury her partner, 00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:56.060 we finally get introduced to Zosia, and Zosia 00:04:56.060 --> 00:04:58.899 wants to just give her a bottle of water. And 00:04:58.899 --> 00:05:00.920 she has some really great lines around that. 00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:04.699 She says, we believe you're about to suffer from 00:05:04.699 --> 00:05:07.180 heat exhaustion, and every doctor in the world 00:05:07.180 --> 00:05:12.199 thinks so. It's funny and unnerving again, right? 00:05:12.339 --> 00:05:14.839 It crosses that line in such a great way. But 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.220 what really sells it, Zosia is fairly stoic. 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:20.899 She does smile a lot and she uses her eyebrows 00:05:20.899 --> 00:05:22.860 and things like that. And as the episode goes 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:27.319 on, she emotes more, I think. But it's really 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.480 Carol's face. Carol's reaction to the behavior 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:35.040 of the people that are joined, it's art. Just 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.720 her reaction to the bottle of water. She pours 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.180 it out on the ground and Zosha's just like, I 00:05:41.180 --> 00:05:42.680 hope you have water in the house. We just want 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.500 you to hydrate and take care of yourself. And 00:05:45.500 --> 00:05:48.939 just the vitriol that is in Carol's face of, 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.959 I hate you. I want you out of my face. I want 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.160 you out of my yard. I want you out of my life. 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:58.439 And she tries to get rid of Zosha. And of course, 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.839 Zosha wants to leave. It seems like the joined 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.139 definitely want to please you. Like they said 00:06:05.139 --> 00:06:07.100 the night before, the neighbors were like, oh, 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:08.779 you don't want us here? Oh, we'll leave. And 00:06:08.779 --> 00:06:11.100 the entire neighborhood leaves. And Zosha's like, 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:12.879 oh, you don't want me to be here? Okay, I can 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:14.620 leave. No problem. I want to make you happy. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.379 I want to appease you or please you. And that 00:06:17.379 --> 00:06:19.100 is definitely a theme, as you'd mentioned in 00:06:19.100 --> 00:06:21.540 the first episode, that I think rings throughout, 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:26.319 but it rings in a darker sense. This leads us 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:31.019 to Carol, actually, as Zosha's leaving. confronting 00:06:31.019 --> 00:06:34.980 Zosia out in the cul -de -sac. And this is both, 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:40.240 again, a funny scene and a dark scene. Yeah, 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.160 I really love how Rhea Seehorn played this particular 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.240 portion because it plays to a bit of a comedic 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.699 effect where she gets really close to Zosia's 00:06:49.699 --> 00:06:53.459 face and is almost inspecting her as if she recognizes 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:56.240 something and then she goes back inside and grabs 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.160 one of her romance novels and comes out and sees 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.089 that. Indeed, Zosia looks very much like the 00:07:03.089 --> 00:07:05.209 made love interest within her romance novels, 00:07:05.430 --> 00:07:08.870 who is named Raban. Almost as if they found this 00:07:08.870 --> 00:07:12.850 person in Morocco that happened to look like 00:07:12.850 --> 00:07:16.250 the male character in her book, Raban. Carol's 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.230 seeing that the hive mind has sent a female version 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:23.170 of this main character to her to almost manipulate 00:07:23.170 --> 00:07:25.449 her or just to make her feel a little bit safer 00:07:25.449 --> 00:07:29.319 or have a safe face to speak to. Yet we find 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.240 out that the only other person that would have 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:33.819 known that Rabban was initially supposed to be 00:07:33.819 --> 00:07:37.600 female is her dead partner Helen, who she's burying 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.100 in the backyard right now. So we find out that 00:07:40.100 --> 00:07:44.819 the hive mind was able to induct Helen's consciousness 00:07:44.819 --> 00:07:47.980 before she died. Back in episode one, right before 00:07:47.980 --> 00:07:51.879 Helen passes away, she gives a real creepy smile. 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.939 to Carol right before she kicks the bucket. And 00:07:54.939 --> 00:07:57.060 we find out, of course, that wasn't necessarily 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:59.439 Helen's smile. That was the smile of the hive 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.000 mind. And you mentioned prior a bit about sort 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.819 of Carol's rage and Carol's anger and Carol's 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:09.920 hatred really to this hive mind. This is the 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.600 first scene where we find out that that rage 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.060 and that hatred has a physical toll as well. 00:08:18.139 --> 00:08:21.220 I think this might be The most pivotal scene 00:08:21.220 --> 00:08:24.220 in this episode and this is an episode of pivotal 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:27.459 scenes. So that becomes a real marker I'll also 00:08:27.459 --> 00:08:30.439 say when this moment happened in the show. I 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.399 literally cheered because You can go into this 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:38.019 scenario thinking that there's no way around 00:08:38.019 --> 00:08:41.940 it that you are One of a dozen people that aren't 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:44.059 part of this group and this group's trying its 00:08:44.059 --> 00:08:46.879 darndest to make you part of it It's almost sort 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.909 of inevitable and it gives you this moment of, 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:55.129 oh, I do have a weapon with which to fight, and 00:08:55.129 --> 00:08:59.210 maybe this can be rather powerful. And also the 00:08:59.210 --> 00:09:01.289 way that they illustrated it becomes very powerful. 00:09:01.590 --> 00:09:03.669 And you bring up this really great point, and 00:09:03.669 --> 00:09:04.970 this is where we are, and this is why I think 00:09:04.970 --> 00:09:07.830 it's so important to talk about this scene. Carol 00:09:07.830 --> 00:09:11.649 is so smart to think. not, oh, this is really 00:09:11.649 --> 00:09:14.230 great and I feel very comforted by it. It's very 00:09:14.230 --> 00:09:17.529 much the total opposite of that. And she screams 00:09:17.529 --> 00:09:21.990 at her and she says, you ghouls, you grave robbers. 00:09:22.610 --> 00:09:24.950 And I thought, oh my gosh, that's exactly how 00:09:24.950 --> 00:09:28.110 I felt in that scenario, but I didn't have the 00:09:28.110 --> 00:09:31.750 words for it. And I thought, how succinct and 00:09:31.750 --> 00:09:35.970 how clear and how true. You're using my partner's 00:09:35.970 --> 00:09:38.210 memories that were exclusive to the two of us. 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:42.059 to try and charm me? How disgusting. How disgusting 00:09:42.059 --> 00:09:46.620 are you? And I really appreciated that because 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:49.720 we come across a scenario later in this episode 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.360 that is the opposite of that. And it's almost 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.500 enraging to me, to be frank. But because she 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:58.080 gets so upset and she literally screams, your 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.379 ghouls, your grave robbers. And she pushes her 00:10:00.379 --> 00:10:05.720 up against the car. And now Zosia is having an 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.529 episode. She starts to have a seizure and Carol's 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:11.929 like, Oh, Oh my God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Are 00:10:11.929 --> 00:10:13.769 you okay? Are you okay? And she just slides down 00:10:13.769 --> 00:10:17.289 the truck and is just lying on the ground, seizing 00:10:17.289 --> 00:10:19.870 and Carol's screaming around like, is anybody 00:10:19.870 --> 00:10:26.950 around? The hive mind produce Zosia to essentially 00:10:26.950 --> 00:10:30.370 calm Carol down. And they thought that this would 00:10:30.370 --> 00:10:32.350 be a pleasurable face to look upon that could 00:10:32.350 --> 00:10:35.769 help ease some of her fears. There's also something. 00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:40.110 Alien about that right because us as normal people 00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:42.490 if we were to see that that's very off -putting 00:10:42.490 --> 00:10:45.149 to us And it feels like we're being manipulated, 00:10:45.149 --> 00:10:48.750 you know So it's almost as if in becoming this 00:10:48.750 --> 00:10:52.250 hive mind have they lost their humanity and that 00:10:52.250 --> 00:10:56.809 does every person on earth put together Not even 00:10:56.809 --> 00:10:59.529 resemble a human anymore than they can't even 00:10:59.529 --> 00:11:02.110 think in the way that a human would because they've 00:11:02.110 --> 00:11:05.059 done something very unnerving at this point and 00:11:05.059 --> 00:11:07.279 they didn't even recognize that that might not 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.320 be the best thing to do for Carol. And all of 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.299 the things that have been added to becoming a 00:11:13.299 --> 00:11:16.299 hive mind, is there something that's taken away? 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:19.039 Is there a piece of humanity that's taken away 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.840 by becoming the hive mind as well? I think I 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.700 want to piggyback off of that for a couple of 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:26.500 reasons. Once again, not only do we see a hole 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:30.399 in their plan, where if Carol gets angry enough 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.559 that there is a physical reaction, in someone 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:38.120 who is joined, but also the lack of knowledge 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.100 of if they were to approach her in this way that 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:44.879 this was absolutely the wrong way to do it. And 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:46.879 they don't discover that until after the fact. 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.480 And if you notice, there's a lot of sequences 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.960 as we move on where they discover after the fact 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.580 that their thought process was absolutely wrong. 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.899 And she points it out. She points it out in her 00:11:58.899 --> 00:12:02.490 very cynical but definitive way. And this is 00:12:02.490 --> 00:12:04.409 one of those instances. She's like, no, this 00:12:04.409 --> 00:12:06.769 was a terrible idea. And they're like, oh, we're 00:12:06.769 --> 00:12:08.830 sorry, Carol. And then they try to find some 00:12:08.830 --> 00:12:11.110 way to fix it whenever this kind of thing happens, 00:12:11.190 --> 00:12:14.809 it becomes a pattern. And it goes again to your 00:12:14.809 --> 00:12:17.889 concept of alien, right? They're not from Earth 00:12:17.889 --> 00:12:20.889 or this RNA isn't from Earth or this resequencing 00:12:20.889 --> 00:12:24.230 doesn't know about the cultures of Earth in the 00:12:24.230 --> 00:12:27.190 way that seem obvious to the rest of us, but 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:30.990 it is able to do. other things like, again, be 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:33.269 either a heart surgeon or an airplane pilot or 00:12:33.269 --> 00:12:37.730 whatever at any given instance. So in as much 00:12:37.730 --> 00:12:41.590 as it's consciousness or a shared hive mind, 00:12:41.730 --> 00:12:46.870 it almost seems computer, even less human in 00:12:46.870 --> 00:12:49.529 a way that we would think of an alien overtaking 00:12:49.529 --> 00:12:52.009 or something like that. And I also wonder just 00:12:52.009 --> 00:12:54.230 to kind of go back to it because I'm a nerd, 00:12:54.710 --> 00:12:57.100 the time sequencing through the show. This time 00:12:57.100 --> 00:12:59.379 sequencing has something to do with what's going 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:02.399 on here. And I'm wondering if it's also hinting 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.700 towards something like that. And I find that 00:13:05.700 --> 00:13:08.299 fascinating as far as how the theories might 00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:11.080 play out. A super important scene in act two 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.019 there. And it leads us to Carol saying, hey, 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:16.080 are there other people out there in the world 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.759 that are like me, that are unaffected by the 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.019 joining? And Zosha says, yeah, there are some 00:13:22.019 --> 00:13:24.019 people out there that are experiencing the same 00:13:24.019 --> 00:13:27.289 thing you are. Yeah, we find out that there are 00:13:27.289 --> 00:13:32.230 indeed, I believe, 12 or possibly 13. When she 00:13:32.230 --> 00:13:34.070 is in the backyard telling her, yeah, there's 00:13:34.070 --> 00:13:38.230 12, when she takes her later on to go meet them, 00:13:38.269 --> 00:13:40.509 she says, oh, by the way, there's one more that 00:13:40.509 --> 00:13:43.169 we just found today. And so they've added one 00:13:43.169 --> 00:13:45.990 to it. And I think one thing that he's accomplishing 00:13:45.990 --> 00:13:49.690 here by doing that is really exemplifying that 00:13:49.690 --> 00:13:52.750 the hive mind isn't omnipresent. Right. As much 00:13:52.750 --> 00:13:56.009 as we might think it is, it's only based on if 00:13:56.009 --> 00:13:58.409 there is a person of the hive mind there, they're 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.909 not omnipotent, right? They're very much still 00:14:01.909 --> 00:14:05.830 a organism that are attached through these nodes, 00:14:05.830 --> 00:14:08.889 I guess you could call it, but it's not an omniscient 00:14:08.889 --> 00:14:11.110 being by any means. So there are things that 00:14:11.110 --> 00:14:13.750 they don't know. And we even heard that briefly 00:14:13.750 --> 00:14:16.769 in the first episode that the hive mind doesn't 00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:19.789 necessarily know why there are these 12 or now 00:14:19.789 --> 00:14:23.559 13. Immunes that are out there in the world and 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:27.200 possibly even more and then we find out that 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.220 again bringing language back into it that there 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:34.100 are five other Immunes that speak English so 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:37.639 that Carol can communicate with them and it brings 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:44.600 a really cool scene where she asks Zosia if They 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:48.100 can all come together and Zosia gets a very far 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:50.360 away sort of distant look as if she's talking 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.879 to someone else in her head and And Carol gets 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.080 a bit worried and is asking you know, what is 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.620 happening? Are you still there? And then Zosia 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.740 clicks back into reality here and she says they 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:04.860 all said yes and then again the look on Carol's 00:15:04.860 --> 00:15:10.000 face the look on Ria's face the disbelief shock 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:14.509 and also impressed At the same time, just the 00:15:14.509 --> 00:15:17.029 reaction she has with that is so good and it 00:15:17.029 --> 00:15:20.570 sells at 110%. The next scene is also again that 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:24.210 sort of funny Vince Gilligan humor. They're on 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:26.590 this gigantic plane, Carol sitting all the way 00:15:26.590 --> 00:15:29.409 in the back and who's flying the plane? A waitress 00:15:29.409 --> 00:15:33.370 from TGI Fridays. And this is what Carol harps 00:15:33.370 --> 00:15:35.610 on. It's not anything else at all. She's just 00:15:35.610 --> 00:15:37.750 like, you just need to pay attention to who's 00:15:37.750 --> 00:15:40.110 that lady? She's from TGI Fridays flying the 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:42.309 plane. Yeah, you should pay attention to that. 00:15:42.490 --> 00:15:46.389 But it illustrates again to her and to us the 00:15:46.389 --> 00:15:49.309 concept of if you know it, I know it. And that 00:15:49.309 --> 00:15:55.669 transferable skill is to me, sinister because 00:15:55.669 --> 00:15:59.330 it could go sideways very quickly, but they play 00:15:59.330 --> 00:16:02.320 it in the opposite way. Again, it's invasion 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.320 of the body snatchers, but instead of everybody 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.179 being evil, everybody is happy. And so now they're 00:16:08.179 --> 00:16:10.700 forcing almost their happiness onto you. And 00:16:10.700 --> 00:16:13.500 they're forcing this happiness onto the most 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:15.940 cynical person on the planet. And this scene 00:16:15.940 --> 00:16:19.519 brings up a really great line from Zosia as well. 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.460 She asks Carol, are you sure you wanna do this? 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:27.039 And Carol asks Zosia, why? You know, why do you 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.600 ask that? and Zosia responds with, we can't protect 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.279 you from each other. And I thought that was almost 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.700 a haunting line from Zosia, an uncharacteristically 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:39.720 dark line coming from the hive mind at that point. 00:16:40.299 --> 00:16:45.539 Well, it's subtly sinister, right? And this line 00:16:45.539 --> 00:16:47.740 also, we need to reflect back on the previous 00:16:47.740 --> 00:16:50.539 scene where it's the two of them speaking again 00:16:50.539 --> 00:16:53.860 after Zosia had had the breakdown in the cultus 00:16:53.860 --> 00:16:57.309 act, she comes back to help Carol. And Carol 00:16:57.309 --> 00:17:01.169 asks, did that affect everybody or how many people 00:17:01.169 --> 00:17:03.350 did that affect? And Zosha says, everybody that 00:17:03.350 --> 00:17:06.990 was joined was affected by your emotional outburst. 00:17:07.529 --> 00:17:10.789 And she says, why is that? She goes, for some 00:17:10.789 --> 00:17:12.990 reason, because you're not joined with us. When 00:17:12.990 --> 00:17:15.950 you have a high emotional outburst, it has an 00:17:15.950 --> 00:17:19.529 adverse effect on us. So it's very clear in that 00:17:19.529 --> 00:17:22.640 moment that they want to define this as a thing. 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.819 She asked, well, how many people did I hurt? 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:29.380 Because when she went to go seek help, she saw 00:17:29.380 --> 00:17:31.980 that one guy was hanging from a man lift and 00:17:31.980 --> 00:17:34.200 another woman had obviously fallen and her face 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.880 was hurt. She's like, how many people did I hurt? 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.740 It's interesting because Zasha will hold back. 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:43.440 on things she doesn't want to tell you. She will 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.440 reluctantly tell you because you want to know, 00:17:45.460 --> 00:17:48.440 and she wants to please you, but she will hold 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.480 back if she feels like there's some negative 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.500 stuff going on here. And in this instance, she's 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:57.119 like, kind of like, mm -hmm, you know, almost 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.559 like a little kid, like, mm -hmm. And she's like, 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:04.119 how many, you know, five, six, a dozen, and Zosha's 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.000 not saying anything. And she goes, hundreds, 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.160 and Zosha still doesn't say anything. And then 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.660 she says, Thousands. And you could see Zosia 00:18:14.660 --> 00:18:18.660 just slightly move her head and Carol gets sick 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:21.299 immediately. Just with the weight of thinking 00:18:21.299 --> 00:18:24.599 that her emotional outburst literally cost the 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.700 lives of thousands of other people in this moment. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.680 And this becomes important later too. And I think 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.680 the emotional outbursts affecting the hive mind 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.000 goes back to the line in the first episode of 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.720 they're connected by what he calls a psychic 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:45.160 glue. And we see that even in the first episode, 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.359 all of these hive mind beings are putting out 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.200 good energy, right? They're the helpful kids 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.880 next door or the folks in the very first scene 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:56.960 of the hive mind saying, we're just trying to 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.680 help Carol. So we see that they're putting out 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.299 a certain wavelength on the emotional spectrum. 00:19:03.339 --> 00:19:06.279 And when they get the opposite wavelength coming 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.619 from Carol, it affects not only the Person in 00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:12.660 front of you, but the entire hive mind as well. 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:16.119 So they sort of feed off of that Psychic glue 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.079 and live on this emotional wavelength as well. 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:21.500 It's a incredibly interesting stuff and a lot 00:19:21.500 --> 00:19:24.539 of things that I'm hoping We get a little bit 00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:27.839 more answer to down the line So we arrive in 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.299 Bilbao to where Carol meets four of the other 00:19:32.299 --> 00:19:35.619 five English -speaking Immunes as we'll call 00:19:35.619 --> 00:19:39.500 them here And we get to see not only the four 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:42.259 amuse, but they've also brought their families 00:19:42.259 --> 00:19:45.640 who have already become one with the hive mind. 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:50.900 We see husbands and we see aunts and sons and 00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:54.619 grandmas and they're introducing themselves as 00:19:54.619 --> 00:19:59.160 this individual is this particular person's husband. 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.490 I think one thing in this scene that's Evident 00:20:02.490 --> 00:20:06.369 is the other four immune that we meet in this 00:20:06.369 --> 00:20:09.910 particular portion. They're not as distraught 00:20:09.910 --> 00:20:14.890 as Carol is. They're not as angry as Carol is 00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:17.450 about the circumstance. And not only that, but 00:20:17.450 --> 00:20:20.630 they still have a link to the hive mind itself, 00:20:20.630 --> 00:20:22.509 even though they're not a part of the hive mind, 00:20:22.890 --> 00:20:25.109 their family is a part of the hive mind. And 00:20:25.109 --> 00:20:27.750 they've accepted the people in their family that 00:20:27.750 --> 00:20:30.450 are a part of the hive mind as if they're still 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.480 their family. It makes you question yourself 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.500 and think, if my family member had become a part 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:39.980 of the hive mind, would I be as accepting as 00:20:39.980 --> 00:20:42.259 they are? Or would I be more like Carol and be 00:20:42.259 --> 00:20:45.539 more cynical where they're not that person anymore? 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.539 And I don't know what it's become anymore. I 00:20:48.539 --> 00:20:51.099 don't know what it is that I'm talking to anymore. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:53.980 This leads me to my favorite moment in this scene 00:20:53.980 --> 00:20:57.039 and my favorite moment in the episode. Again, 00:20:57.059 --> 00:21:01.289 I just want to give Rhea the Emmy for her scoff 00:21:01.289 --> 00:21:05.230 when she discovers the people behind them because 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:07.910 she's speaking to the four, introducing herself 00:21:07.910 --> 00:21:10.369 and she starts to loosen up. And then she, again, 00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:12.750 this is another sequence where what's happening 00:21:12.750 --> 00:21:14.589 in the background is more important than what's 00:21:14.589 --> 00:21:16.750 happening in the foreground. And what's in the 00:21:16.750 --> 00:21:19.029 background are the family members. And she looks 00:21:19.029 --> 00:21:21.589 over her shoulder and goes, do you know who these 00:21:21.589 --> 00:21:24.849 guys are? And then that's where they do the introduction. 00:21:25.269 --> 00:21:26.890 And when they're done with their introductions, 00:21:27.109 --> 00:21:33.490 she does a full 360 and scoffs. She goes, and 00:21:33.490 --> 00:21:39.369 that scoff is perfection. It is absolute perfection. 00:21:39.650 --> 00:21:43.710 And it explained everything in her whole thought 00:21:43.710 --> 00:21:47.869 process of this is like, yep. And that is absolutely 00:21:47.869 --> 00:21:49.930 what we don't want. And that's why it's so important 00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:52.369 for her to get these English speaking people 00:21:52.369 --> 00:21:55.910 that aren't joined separate into a room and have 00:21:55.910 --> 00:21:58.410 a conversation with them about their current 00:21:58.410 --> 00:22:01.250 circumstances. I think this brings us to the 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:05.109 next character introduction as we find out that 00:22:05.109 --> 00:22:08.009 the final immune that speaks English is arriving 00:22:08.009 --> 00:22:12.549 and that his mode of transportation came a little 00:22:12.549 --> 00:22:16.490 bit late since he had a specific request as we 00:22:16.490 --> 00:22:19.509 see Air Force One. pull up outside and everyone 00:22:19.509 --> 00:22:22.069 goes out on the tarmac and we meet a character 00:22:22.069 --> 00:22:26.009 by the name of Kumba. And he believes that Air 00:22:26.009 --> 00:22:28.049 Force One is going to be the best place for them 00:22:28.049 --> 00:22:30.970 to sort of convene and have their first immune 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:33.210 meeting. Most of the other folks we get introduced 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:37.930 to that aren't joined are fairly average folks 00:22:37.930 --> 00:22:40.170 in their own little worlds. You know, whether 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:43.269 their culture or their language, they seem like 00:22:43.269 --> 00:22:46.519 you and me, essentially. And Carol is sort of 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.819 that too, but she just has the cynicism and all 00:22:48.819 --> 00:22:51.660 these other things. And then you have this guy, 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.839 and he is almost in his own movie, essentially. 00:22:55.940 --> 00:22:59.059 He thinks he's really funny, charming, has something 00:22:59.059 --> 00:23:02.240 to say for everything, clever, all of those things. 00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:05.920 I myself found him quite annoying, even as we 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.140 get toward the end of the episode. but I understood 00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:11.920 the idea behind his character and how they could 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.900 utilize it, but flamboyant. We'll just say he's 00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:16.980 a flamboyant character. Obviously he rolls in 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:19.779 with Air Force One. My favorite part of this 00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:21.940 sequence is they're sitting at the table and 00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:24.940 he's talking about Air Force One, the movie with 00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:26.940 Harrison Ford. And he goes, well, actually what 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:28.900 Harrison Ford did, he didn't actually leave the 00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:30.759 plane. He was actually hiding in the, and then 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.079 they interrupt him. And I'm like, he's actually 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.079 talking about Air Force One, the movie. It pleased 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.099 me to no end. I thought that was really great. 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:42.160 Yeah, because we know as the hive mind is leaving 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.880 that particular room, they turn off all of the 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.420 listening devices at Carol's request. But with 00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:52.279 that little line that seemingly is just a piece 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.000 of comic relief, is there a piece of the hive 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.759 mind that has not left just like Harrison Ford 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.279 is in Air Force One? So that's certainly something. 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:03.880 to think about. And we don't know at this point 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.960 if the hive mind has the capability to lie. Are 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.319 they capable of deception? They seem like they're 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.519 not. They seem like they have to tell you the 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.940 truth if you're insistent. And we find that out 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:17.440 later too. And even earlier before where she's 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.240 like, how many, how many? eventually they will 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.400 seemingly tell you the truth, but it's almost 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.720 like they don't want to tell you the truth if 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.200 they think it's going to hurt you in some way, 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:30.039 whether it's your feelings or something else. 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.180 And as much as they're not acting deceptive, 00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:33.940 they do exactly what they say they're gonna do 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:37.680 and they do it immediately. Not only that, but 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.720 if telling the truth hurts you, does the hive 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:44.859 mind automatically... Decide to be deceptive 00:24:44.859 --> 00:24:47.240 at that point because it seems like their main 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.720 prerogative is to not hurt anything not only 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.720 humans but anything that's living as we find 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.559 out later and One thing I wanted to point out 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.859 specifically about Kumba as a character. I think 00:24:58.859 --> 00:25:03.559 he's brought in specifically to be the antithesis 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.660 of Carol we have Carol who has a hundred percent 00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:11.000 unequivocally Decided to be against the hive 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.750 mind where we have Kumba who has completely bought 00:25:14.750 --> 00:25:18.029 in and decided to not necessarily be a part of 00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:20.890 the hive mind, but to accept the world as it 00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:24.910 is and how it's become and to continue to live 00:25:24.910 --> 00:25:27.950 like this. And it brings up a curious question. 00:25:28.109 --> 00:25:30.210 I think that's something that will be explored 00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:32.509 a bit later in the season between these characters 00:25:32.509 --> 00:25:36.069 is that we have some of the immune who bought 00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:39.410 into the hive mind so much that one of the characters 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.339 She in fact wants to become a part of the hive 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:44.599 mind. She would like to be brought into the hive 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.240 mind and be with her aunt again. And I think 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.299 the distinction there that I'm trying to make 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:54.359 is I don't believe that Kumba is of the same 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.660 mind as that young lady. I think he very much 00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:01.420 wants to be apart from the hive mind still, but 00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:04.400 he enjoys the world that the hive mind has created 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.660 around him. He still wants to be an individual. 00:26:06.970 --> 00:26:09.029 And you can see in the way he acts and the way 00:26:09.029 --> 00:26:12.349 he talks, he very much thinks of himself as an 00:26:12.349 --> 00:26:17.470 individual. I think that possibly Carol and Kumba 00:26:17.470 --> 00:26:21.710 have more in common than is initially disclosed 00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:25.569 in this episode. It creates a really good tension 00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:27.829 and you make a great point. They are definitely 00:26:27.829 --> 00:26:31.609 totally opposite of each other and also are willing 00:26:31.609 --> 00:26:35.529 to challenge each other. And you have these really 00:26:35.529 --> 00:26:37.529 tight conversations between the two of them that 00:26:37.529 --> 00:26:40.190 I think are valuable. But they do have sort of 00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:42.549 a roundtable. They eventually ask the joint to 00:26:42.549 --> 00:26:44.410 go out on the tarmac, and they're in the main 00:26:44.410 --> 00:26:47.089 office in Air Force One, and they have their 00:26:47.089 --> 00:26:49.910 little sit down. As Carol broaches the conversation, 00:26:50.049 --> 00:26:51.950 she says, what are we going to do about this? 00:26:52.549 --> 00:26:56.809 And at one point, Goomba just says, why? Because 00:26:56.809 --> 00:26:59.150 you could see all the people at the table besides 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:02.880 Carol. have essentially accepted the situation 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.220 as it is, but they also have something she doesn't 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.019 have, and that's their families or their connections 00:27:08.019 --> 00:27:12.160 to the world. And I believe she may feel she's 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.920 lost all of that, except for her humanity. And 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.880 that's why she's in part working so hard to, 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.619 quote unquote, save humanity, is she's talking 00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:25.519 about saving her own humanity, her own individualism, 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.759 her own separation from the hive or the joined. 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.140 I agree with you, though. I think it even comes 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.480 up at some point, if you were given the choice 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.900 to join or not join, do you still have that choice? 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.079 And it'll be interesting how that actually plays 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.619 out. And this is also where we discover that 00:27:42.619 --> 00:27:45.619 they've also let all the animals out of the zoos. 00:27:46.339 --> 00:27:48.559 And Kumbha even says, all dogs are off their 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.789 chains. Peace on earth. And I found that really 00:27:52.789 --> 00:27:54.450 interesting because I don't know that it's the 00:27:54.450 --> 00:27:56.470 greatest idea in the world to let all the animals 00:27:56.470 --> 00:27:59.190 out of all the zoos or to let all the dogs off 00:27:59.190 --> 00:28:02.750 of their chains. And it'll be interesting to 00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:05.890 see what that decision from the joined becomes 00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:08.930 later. And I think that brings up another interesting 00:28:08.930 --> 00:28:14.670 question and that's why are the animals not assimilated 00:28:14.670 --> 00:28:18.089 into the hive mind? And maybe it's just because 00:28:18.089 --> 00:28:21.859 assimilating animals into the human hive mind 00:28:21.859 --> 00:28:25.839 would have a lot of the humans recreating animal 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.700 behaviors or something along those lines but 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:33.400 an interesting question on why the animals weren't 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.519 assimilated but we do find out that the hive 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.839 mind itself has a very altruistic view of life 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.460 in general whether that's human or animal they 00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:45.420 don't want an animal to be in a cage and they 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:47.900 don't want a dog to be on the leash and of course 00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:50.279 in the next scene when they're all having lunch 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:55.119 we find out that they don't even want to kill 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:58.359 an animal to eat it so they specifically say 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.160 that they will not kill a chicken to cook it 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.460 for you and even when Kumba says well if I kill 00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:06.970 a chicken Will you cook it for me? She does indeed 00:29:06.970 --> 00:29:09.690 say, yes. So there is a still that appeasement 00:29:09.690 --> 00:29:12.509 there at work, but you see when Zosia replies 00:29:12.509 --> 00:29:15.309 to Kumba and tells him, yes, that it's almost 00:29:15.309 --> 00:29:17.930 a bit of a moral quandary for her to answer that 00:29:17.930 --> 00:29:21.069 question. Well, and she answers, we will mourn 00:29:21.069 --> 00:29:24.150 the creature, but yeah, I'll cook it for you. 00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:27.950 And then he asks, are you vegetarian then? Or 00:29:27.950 --> 00:29:30.450 do you eat meat? She says that very interestingly. 00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:33.009 She doesn't say, yes, we're vegetarians. She 00:29:33.009 --> 00:29:37.920 says, we prefer not to. I want to bounce back 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.599 to the Air Force One, not to say nothing happens, 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:43.940 but essentially she doesn't really convince anyone 00:29:43.940 --> 00:29:46.279 one way or the other. And the resolution in the 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.519 scene is she says, does anybody have any ideas 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.599 they'd like to bring to the table? And Kumba 00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.660 like crosses his fingers and says, how does everyone 00:29:54.660 --> 00:30:01.059 feel about lunch? And the final thing, I... would 00:30:01.059 --> 00:30:04.259 like to add on to the Air Force One scene is 00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:10.599 we find out that during Carol's initial bout 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.640 of rage to Zosia, another character, another 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.680 immune by the name of Lakshmi, was driving in 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.500 the car with her grandfather, who at that point, 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:24.140 of course, was a part of the hive mind. And during 00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:28.059 the sort of repose that the hive mind had after 00:30:28.059 --> 00:30:32.099 Carol's bout of rage, Lakshmi's grandfather died 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:36.700 while driving that car. So Lakshmi already dislikes 00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:39.619 Carol. And we find out from Lakshmi that not 00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:43.259 only was it the quote unquote few people that 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:45.859 died. That's what Zosha had told Carol earlier 00:30:45.859 --> 00:30:50.339 in the episode, but 11 million people died when 00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:53.420 Carol had her initial bout of rage with Zosha. 00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:57.920 So just adding so much more of an expansive view. 00:30:58.670 --> 00:31:03.369 on what is a very close quarters character story 00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:06.750 at the same time. The things that these six immunes 00:31:06.750 --> 00:31:11.650 are doing have global repercussions. And in this 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:14.470 scene, Carol also points out very eloquently 00:31:14.470 --> 00:31:20.650 the hypocrisy. And she asks, I think she almost 00:31:20.650 --> 00:31:22.329 has to ask three times when she really wants 00:31:22.329 --> 00:31:25.009 an answer from them from hard questions. How 00:31:25.009 --> 00:31:28.130 many people died during the joining? And they 00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:33.509 eventually answer over 800 million. And she goes, 00:31:33.630 --> 00:31:37.609 well, I guess you got to break a few eggs. Because 00:31:37.609 --> 00:31:39.630 she's pointing out the fact that, oh, you won't 00:31:39.630 --> 00:31:43.509 kill and you let animals out of the zoo and all 00:31:43.509 --> 00:31:46.650 these other things. But when you came here, you 00:31:46.650 --> 00:31:50.369 killed 800 million people. And Zosha's answer 00:31:50.369 --> 00:31:55.630 was, it is our biological imperative to do so. 00:31:55.910 --> 00:31:59.109 And I thought that was Also terrifying and telling 00:31:59.109 --> 00:32:02.369 but it was also an excuse. Yeah, and I think 00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:07.849 it's 867 million people died within the joining 00:32:07.849 --> 00:32:10.890 there and I believe that's over 10 % of the population 00:32:10.890 --> 00:32:13.390 of the entire planet Right. That's certainly 00:32:13.390 --> 00:32:16.430 breaking a few eggs for sure. My question then 00:32:16.430 --> 00:32:18.930 becomes where does this philosophy come from 00:32:18.930 --> 00:32:22.029 then? Because just because our minds are all 00:32:22.029 --> 00:32:24.869 glued together doesn't mean that we all collectively 00:32:24.869 --> 00:32:28.829 immediately agree on a specific philosophy. They're 00:32:28.829 --> 00:32:31.430 not asking you. And she even says at the dinner 00:32:31.430 --> 00:32:34.349 table, she goes, you didn't ask any of us. You 00:32:34.349 --> 00:32:36.970 didn't ask a single one of us if we wanted to 00:32:36.970 --> 00:32:39.730 do this. You just did it. And then that's where 00:32:39.730 --> 00:32:41.589 she says, well, this was our biological imperative 00:32:41.589 --> 00:32:45.450 and stuff. Okay, where does that come from? Who's 00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:48.349 biological imperative? It could very well be 00:32:48.349 --> 00:32:52.049 the biological imperative of the human race at 00:32:52.049 --> 00:32:54.430 the end of the day. One of the reasons I enjoy 00:32:54.430 --> 00:32:57.369 the show so much is that it begs conversations 00:32:57.369 --> 00:33:00.089 like this. And that's what makes it so intriguing 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:04.509 and what makes you hell bent on watching this 00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:07.650 next episode. So I got to say Vince Gillian really 00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:11.009 is knocking it out of the park. Absolutely. I 00:33:11.009 --> 00:33:15.049 still want to know where this collective philosophy 00:33:15.049 --> 00:33:18.069 came from because there were humans on this planet 00:33:18.069 --> 00:33:20.170 that were more than fine with murdering other 00:33:20.170 --> 00:33:23.369 humans. So how do you get to a consensus with 00:33:23.369 --> 00:33:26.569 every person on the planet that through this 00:33:26.569 --> 00:33:30.630 collective psychic glue that we all agree that 00:33:30.630 --> 00:33:32.309 we're not going to kill anymore and we're not 00:33:32.309 --> 00:33:35.789 going to eat meat anymore? Who came up with the 00:33:35.789 --> 00:33:39.369 idea to even do that is also a question. Where 00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:42.690 does that even come from? I guess my question 00:33:42.690 --> 00:33:45.859 is Now that we've adjusted our DNA using this 00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:48.319 RNA, are we just saying now we're just going 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:52.079 into our next evolutionary step of being a collective 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.700 hive mind that is vegetarian? My point of view 00:33:55.700 --> 00:34:02.480 on it is that the majority of badness or ill 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.680 will or evil comes from a distinct lack of empathy. 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.760 And a lot of folks out there suffer from a lack 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.380 of empathy. But when you are pushed into a hive 00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:23.599 mind where everyone is everyone, the only response 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.820 is empathy because we are the same. Now we are 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:31.679 one. So the empathy is at that point intrinsic 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.800 to humanity. Going back to what E Pluribus Una 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.559 means out of many, one, now we are one. Now all 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:44.360 we know is empathy. And with that empathy comes 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.199 the idealism of the hive mind. So I think that's 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.460 where it comes from. Knowing each other, knowing 00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.440 everything about every other person on the world 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.860 is the purest form of empathy. And that's why 00:34:56.860 --> 00:34:59.440 those feelings are no longer there. You know, 00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:03.900 I can subscribe to that. I can see that as a 00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:06.420 possibility. I'll put it in that box for now. 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.219 In the interest of time, let's kind of wrap the 00:35:09.219 --> 00:35:11.420 tail end of this bad boy up. They have lunch 00:35:11.420 --> 00:35:15.199 and we have another opportunity where Carol gets 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.719 deeply upset because of the hypocrisy that's 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.420 at the table and she goes storming off. And as 00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.239 she got, it's great. It's like a cartoon. It's 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.820 like that meme of Kid Rock making his way down 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.440 the hill with his elbow swinging. And she literally 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.760 ends up, you know, ass over tea kettle. And of 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.269 course the joined come. and run over there to 00:35:34.269 --> 00:35:36.829 try to help her and rescue her. And because she's 00:35:36.829 --> 00:35:39.650 so agitated, her rage comes out again. And she 00:35:39.650 --> 00:35:41.710 gets really upset and starts screaming at them, 00:35:41.750 --> 00:35:44.090 so much so that, of course, they start to have 00:35:44.090 --> 00:35:46.769 their seizure. And, of course, the joined family 00:35:46.769 --> 00:35:48.670 members at the dining table have their seizure 00:35:48.670 --> 00:35:51.809 as well. And that sort of wraps that scene up. 00:35:51.929 --> 00:35:54.469 Interestingly, we get this overhead shot of these 00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:58.500 joined people seizing around. Rhea's character 00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:01.019 as she realizes, oh my gosh, I lost my temper 00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.920 again. The next scene, she wakes up in bed and 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.219 she picks up the phone and dials zero, I guess, 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.380 or something. And she's like, hi, Carol, how 00:36:08.380 --> 00:36:10.800 can we help you? And she says, are you okay? 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.119 She's actually concerned for Zosha's welfare. 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.780 And she's like, we're doing perfectly well. And 00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:19.360 then she says, how badly did I upset the other 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.909 five? And she says, all but one have left. And 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:25.409 of course it's Kumba. We have to mention also 00:36:25.409 --> 00:36:27.969 that Kumba is always surrounded by half a dozen 00:36:27.969 --> 00:36:32.989 basically supermodel style women. I find it super 00:36:32.989 --> 00:36:36.849 gross and also super weird for two reasons. Number 00:36:36.849 --> 00:36:40.090 one, it's just super gross and super weird. The 00:36:40.090 --> 00:36:43.670 other reason is these people are all joined. 00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:47.989 And it's something that Carol points out earlier 00:36:47.989 --> 00:36:51.530 and this is important and I love this. When you 00:36:51.530 --> 00:36:54.269 speak to any of the joined you're speaking to 00:36:54.269 --> 00:36:58.349 everyone on earth that is joined So if you're 00:36:58.349 --> 00:37:02.230 physical with one of the joined you are physical 00:37:02.230 --> 00:37:05.329 in a sense with everybody else on the planet 00:37:05.329 --> 00:37:10.389 and that could include your cousin your gynecologist 00:37:10.389 --> 00:37:13.289 the guy that you had a crush on in high school 00:37:13.289 --> 00:37:16.769 and I'm like when she says it out loud because 00:37:16.769 --> 00:37:19.579 it's a thought you already have you're like Yeah, 00:37:19.579 --> 00:37:23.659 no, no. But Kumba has no problem with this, apparently. 00:37:24.139 --> 00:37:27.039 And he has several women around. And it's insinuated 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.679 that they are his harem. And at this point, the 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.800 whole reason that Kumba has stuck around is to 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:40.019 ask Carol, can I have or borrow Zosha? And you 00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:42.219 can see that they put this here for a reason. 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:44.960 It's interesting, because I think it plays out 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.429 at the very end. And that is, Zosha says, I can't 00:37:48.429 --> 00:37:50.489 make the decision because if I make the decision, 00:37:50.550 --> 00:37:53.150 I will hurt one of you. And I can't do that. 00:37:54.670 --> 00:37:58.690 And Kumbha loves this. And Carol says, you know 00:37:58.690 --> 00:38:03.230 what? I don't care. Go. And so they leave. And 00:38:03.230 --> 00:38:05.630 the next scene is she's getting on one plane 00:38:05.630 --> 00:38:08.030 and they're getting on another and she's looking 00:38:08.030 --> 00:38:11.010 out the window and she sees them boarding. And 00:38:11.010 --> 00:38:13.369 the last person to board is Zosha and she does 00:38:13.369 --> 00:38:16.239 the movie trope of stopping and then turning 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.420 and looking exactly at the window where Carol 00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:22.840 is and Carol sees her and then slides the shade 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.320 down for the window. And Zosha joins the rest 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.400 of the people on the plane. But there's this 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.460 wonderful moment again and Rhea just nails this 00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:35.159 silent moment where she acts the entire thing 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.179 with her face. In fact, the camera angle is over 00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:40.300 the seat in front of her and you just see her 00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:43.619 eyes peeking out over the back of the seat. and 00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:46.059 the camera turns around and we get a little bit 00:38:46.059 --> 00:38:49.599 closer look and she has an epiphany of some kind. 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.940 We don't know what it is, but it's enough to 00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:54.460 make her leap up out of this seat and go running 00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:56.139 down the aisle and saying, wait, wait, wait, 00:38:56.139 --> 00:38:59.300 wait, wait. And there's this great scene that's 00:38:59.300 --> 00:39:02.719 the very last shot. It's like the John Cusack 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:05.679 film where he has the stereo over his head and 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.119 she stands in front of this Air Force One with 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:11.539 her arms splayed out and she's like, stop. And 00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:14.829 then it goes to black. So she realized something 00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:17.510 and she felt compelled to get on that plane And 00:39:17.510 --> 00:39:19.710 I think she realizes something about Zosha and 00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:21.469 that we're gonna find out in the next episode 00:39:21.469 --> 00:39:25.730 Yeah, and I think that brings us to a really 00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:31.250 great ending question here is That look from 00:39:31.250 --> 00:39:34.590 Zosha as she turns back to look at Carol in the 00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:38.929 other plane What does that mean to you is that 00:39:38.929 --> 00:39:42.920 look? manipulation by the hive mind into thinking 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.659 that Zosia wanted to stay with Carol so that 00:39:47.659 --> 00:39:49.719 they can get her a little bit more bought into 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:55.980 the hive mind or is that a sign that there is 00:39:55.980 --> 00:40:00.360 still some individuality in the hive mind and 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.179 that Zosia wanted to look back specifically at 00:40:04.179 --> 00:40:07.079 Carol because she felt that as an individual 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:11.900 that whole Glance back at Carol from Zosia is 00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:15.639 almost something that you would read in a fiction 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.739 romance novel that somebody happened to write 00:40:18.739 --> 00:40:21.980 within this world. Very reminiscent of something 00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:25.260 that you would read and something that Carol 00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:27.760 might have written. So what are your thoughts 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.159 on that? Well, I hear your purple sand thoughts 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.280 on this thing and I like the perspective that 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.800 they are. possibly again, and maybe not even 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.760 maliciously so, using what they know about her 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.400 to get her to do what they think is the right 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.639 thing. Let's say that that's what this is. If 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.320 you have a majority of the people saying, we 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.059 shouldn't kill and we should be vegetarians or 00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:56.519 whatever, and anything else of their philosophy, 00:40:56.739 --> 00:40:59.280 then let's roll with it. I would like to add 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.260 a different spin to it, although I like yours. 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.570 My spin is this, the person that actually looked 00:41:05.570 --> 00:41:11.710 back at Carol was her girlfriend in there or 00:41:11.710 --> 00:41:14.630 her wife or significant other, her partner, right? 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:18.289 And that's my thought is that it's Helen in there 00:41:18.289 --> 00:41:22.449 looking back and that there is a sense of individuality 00:41:22.449 --> 00:41:26.010 and memory and all those other things. Here's 00:41:26.010 --> 00:41:28.150 what I think this episode is about. I think the 00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:31.250 episode is about family. And it was shoved in 00:41:31.250 --> 00:41:34.269 our face that everybody had either a sense of 00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:36.389 family, which is a majority of those that spoke 00:41:36.389 --> 00:41:39.590 English, and even with Kumba, he makes his own 00:41:39.590 --> 00:41:42.510 family with his harem. But with Carol, she didn't 00:41:42.510 --> 00:41:45.849 have that, except for Zosha, because Zosha, and 00:41:45.849 --> 00:41:48.929 everybody else too, has a part of Helen in them. 00:41:49.409 --> 00:41:52.429 But Zosha represents even more of that because 00:41:52.429 --> 00:41:55.349 of the characterization of Rabban, and that Rabban 00:41:55.349 --> 00:41:57.889 should have been female before, and maybe even 00:41:57.889 --> 00:42:01.360 Rabban is male after Helen a little bit. So for 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.980 me, I thought of it as more, that was the part 00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:08.659 of Helen looking back and saying, I hope this 00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:11.679 isn't the last time I see you because I still 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.699 have all that love and those memories and all 00:42:13.699 --> 00:42:16.380 those things of Helen. That's still Helen in 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:21.679 there. Whereas for Carol, Carol has lost Helen 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:23.579 because Helen's not standing right there in front 00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:26.420 of her. Are they ghouls? Are they grave robbers? 00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.960 Or are they people that are saying, hey, I'm 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.199 still in here. You haven't lost me. And through 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.920 Azosha, you can still be with me. Well, I think 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.059 that might be the best place to put a pin in 00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:46.619 this episode as episode two of Pluribus. Pirate 00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:49.559 Lady, it was entitled. Is there anything else 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.400 you want to add? I think we've got it. I'm very 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.239 much looking forward to the next episode. I like 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.239 that. It is episodic. I like that we have to 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.480 wait for it. It gives us those opportunities 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.739 to have a conversation between them and share 00:43:03.739 --> 00:43:05.619 our theories and thoughts. And like you said, 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.760 it's very thought provoking. So yeah, here's 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.900 to episode three. Thank you, fellow humans for 00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:13.920 listening to E Pluribus Unum, where we cover 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.760 the fantastic show Pluribus. We're looking forward 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.099 to talking to you next week.