WEBVTT 00:00:03.669 --> 00:00:06.610 Well, good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. 00:00:06.830 --> 00:00:10.589 Good night, pandas. How are we doing? I feel 00:00:10.589 --> 00:00:13.970 like we're still talking. So you know what's 00:00:13.970 --> 00:00:16.670 really funny? Yeah, what's funny? So this is, 00:00:16.829 --> 00:00:18.809 oh, I haven't talked about this, but this was 00:00:18.809 --> 00:00:21.649 a while ago, maybe like a month ago. Tiffany 00:00:21.649 --> 00:00:24.829 came to me and she said, you know, sometimes 00:00:24.829 --> 00:00:27.170 on the podcast, you and Ben start talking really 00:00:27.170 --> 00:00:33.250 slow and it really annoys me. What? I don't know 00:00:33.250 --> 00:00:36.149 what was... But I do know sometimes we'll get 00:00:36.149 --> 00:00:39.369 into that very like... Contemplative. Yeah, sentimental, 00:00:39.710 --> 00:00:43.350 contemplative moment. And evidently, when we 00:00:43.350 --> 00:00:49.270 do that, we talk really slow. That was really 00:00:49.270 --> 00:00:51.829 hard for me to do right there. I mean, Sean, 00:00:52.030 --> 00:00:59.350 I think when it comes down to it, Tiffany really 00:00:59.350 --> 00:01:06.829 just... just needs to get on board. Because when 00:01:06.829 --> 00:01:20.549 we talk super slowly, usually that means we are 00:01:20.549 --> 00:01:29.659 drawing emphasis to important things. I now know 00:01:29.659 --> 00:01:32.519 how the fox feels in Zootopia when he has to 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:37.060 go to the DMV. That was so painful. I watched 00:01:37.060 --> 00:01:41.180 your ADHD kick into full gear. Oh my gosh, that 00:01:41.180 --> 00:01:47.260 was so painful. Maybe you have an idea. Oh, my 00:01:47.260 --> 00:01:50.700 gosh. That was difficult. That was very difficult 00:01:50.700 --> 00:01:53.859 for me. I make no apology. Well, what's up, pandas? 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:58.980 Hello again. Oh, man. You know, it is a sunny, 00:01:59.019 --> 00:02:02.920 hot day here in North Carolina. It is, and we 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:05.420 are currently a couple days out from Church at 00:02:05.420 --> 00:02:07.900 the Lake. Yep. Or out past Church at the Lake. 00:02:09.069 --> 00:02:11.729 Man, what an incredible day. Yeah. That was, 00:02:11.889 --> 00:02:14.409 I'm still like, I still just been thinking about 00:02:14.409 --> 00:02:16.650 it and thinking about how the Lord just moved 00:02:16.650 --> 00:02:19.569 that day and the fellowship and just everything 00:02:19.569 --> 00:02:23.110 was so good. I know you were just jazzed about 00:02:23.110 --> 00:02:25.430 the free burgers. And preaching in flip -flops. 00:02:25.530 --> 00:02:28.189 And preaching in flip -flops. I will tell you, 00:02:28.189 --> 00:02:30.479 like there was a part of me that was like. I 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.620 bet I could get away with a hat today. You could 00:02:32.620 --> 00:02:34.120 have. I could have. You absolutely could have. 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.419 But my wise conscience, my wife. Even like the 00:02:38.419 --> 00:02:40.539 hat you're wearing right now. Yeah. Like it's 00:02:40.539 --> 00:02:43.699 not. a baseball i mean it is like a it is technically 00:02:43.699 --> 00:02:46.460 a baseball cap it is technically a baseball cap 00:02:46.460 --> 00:02:49.340 but it is a fancier version i mean it's corduroy 00:02:49.340 --> 00:02:52.060 it's got a rope on it it's embroidered it's true 00:02:52.060 --> 00:02:54.319 you know it's not just it doesn't have it's not 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:56.580 a sports team that's what i'm saying i got you 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:00.759 it's more of a it's more of a stylish piece than 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.180 it is a representing of a team piece well when 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:08.159 uh we do church at the lake next year yeah you 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.680 know what You know what some people brought up? 00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:13.159 What did they bring up? Springtime Church of 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.259 the Lake. Springtime Church of the Lake. How 00:03:15.259 --> 00:03:17.419 do you think that we would differentiate that 00:03:17.419 --> 00:03:20.879 from, like, regular Church of the Lake? We'd 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.139 call it Springtime Church of the Lake. This is 00:03:25.139 --> 00:03:26.319 the same thing where, like, you ask somebody 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:28.439 to define a word and they use the word in the 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.939 definition? No. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.379 I think, you know, we haven't done it in the 00:03:32.379 --> 00:03:34.139 past because it's right around Easter. Fair. 00:03:34.219 --> 00:03:36.599 True facts. We've got a lot of busy stuff going 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.219 on around that time. But, you know, it's something. 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.680 We've never discussed off mic, so we probably 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.659 shouldn't discuss on mic. Oh, I'm keeping this. 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.280 Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, for the people 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.620 that listen, give us your thoughts. Give us your 00:03:48.620 --> 00:03:50.900 thoughts. Springtime, Georgia Lake. I do feel 00:03:50.900 --> 00:03:54.189 like either spring or fall. Yeah. Like maybe 00:03:54.189 --> 00:03:57.250 we skip Church of the Lake next year in the fall 00:03:57.250 --> 00:03:58.930 and do it in the spring. Well, but that's the 00:03:58.930 --> 00:04:01.289 thing, right? Because we only have that property 00:04:01.289 --> 00:04:04.830 for a limited time until the developers start 00:04:04.830 --> 00:04:07.610 to develop. Yeah, until they build the racetrack. 00:04:07.650 --> 00:04:09.530 Yeah, it's coming to Norwood. It's coming to 00:04:09.530 --> 00:04:12.389 Norwood. That's not true. That's not true. No, 00:04:12.449 --> 00:04:14.110 I don't even... What did the developers... We 00:04:14.110 --> 00:04:16.029 talked to the property owner. Yeah. What did 00:04:16.029 --> 00:04:17.850 they say they were putting up there? A steamboat? 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.759 They purchased some kind of boat to put out there. 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.019 A steamboat, like an old school one with the 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:26.079 paddles and stuff. But no, on the property we 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.560 were at, they're going to be doing a restaurant. 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:29.600 They talked about doing a boardwalk. Are we supposed 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.839 to be talking about this on mic? Heck, I don't 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.399 know. Let's stop. I don't know. I don't know. 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:36.980 I want to keep using this property. I don't want 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:38.240 to make anybody mad. Something tells me that 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.800 the listeners of the Pursuing Jesus podcast don't 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.420 include the owner of that property. But hey. 00:04:44.080 --> 00:04:46.079 If you're listening... We're glad you're here. 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.899 I want you to... I'm glad you're here, and I 00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:51.060 want you to bring in one more restaurant into 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:54.459 Norwood. Just please, please, anything. Anything? 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.220 Any restaurant. Any restaurant. If they build 00:04:57.220 --> 00:04:59.100 another Mexican restaurant, I'm going to lose 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:01.620 my mind. You got to be careful with those phrases. 00:05:02.939 --> 00:05:06.220 Like an Italian place? Like some good Italian... 00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:08.560 Oh, man. See, you're too new to know about Milano's. 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.860 You've heard the name, I'm sure. I've heard. 00:05:09.860 --> 00:05:12.519 People have talked about Milano's, but that was 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.220 a great... But you see, I've been in Norwood 00:05:15.220 --> 00:05:19.519 now so long that I remember Norwood with zero 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.569 Mexican restaurants. I don't know if I knew that 00:05:22.569 --> 00:05:25.970 that was not a... I assume that that was a public 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:28.050 fixture of all of the restaurants. Here's the 00:05:28.050 --> 00:05:29.550 interesting thing, though. For those who have 00:05:29.550 --> 00:05:33.670 actually grown up here, the stucco building that's 00:05:33.670 --> 00:05:35.689 next to the police department... That looks like 00:05:35.689 --> 00:05:37.230 a rundown Mexican restaurant? It used to be a 00:05:37.230 --> 00:05:40.589 Mexican restaurant. I don't know how long ago 00:05:40.589 --> 00:05:43.089 that shut down. It was a while ago, before my 00:05:43.089 --> 00:05:45.149 time. Somebody told me at one point Norwood had 00:05:45.149 --> 00:05:49.110 a movie theater. That it was where Reservoir 00:05:49.110 --> 00:05:51.920 used to be and stuff. Yeah, I think... I don't 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.019 think it was in Reservoir. I think it was the 00:05:53.019 --> 00:05:54.819 one next to it. But you might be right as well. 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.279 But yes, one of those buildings was the local 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.300 theater. I would have loved for them to bring 00:05:59.300 --> 00:06:03.139 that back. Just from an enjoyment of life perspective. 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.579 I think that would be sick. I agree. Imagine 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:08.860 seeing the new Spider -Man in the Norwood Community 00:06:08.860 --> 00:06:12.160 Theater. That would be cool. Like with the wooden 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.680 bench seats and stuff? Yes. Like your back is 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.680 hurting like terribly when you leave. Pay 50 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.779 cents for a ticket. Smells like popcorn and bubble 00:06:20.779 --> 00:06:22.540 gum rubbed around on the sole of a leather shoe. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.259 Oh, I'm about that. Hey, well, we have an announcement. 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.319 We do have an announcement. Yeah, we want to 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.180 talk. We want to make sure our pandas are in 00:06:31.180 --> 00:06:33.639 the loop for the rest of the year because we, 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.779 I mean, we are, it is today as we are recording, 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:39.879 September has come. Yeah, September has sprung. 00:06:42.400 --> 00:06:46.240 Yes, it's here. And so we are getting into the 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.019 holiday season of the year where we're about 00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:52.939 to get into a lot of stuff. Also, I have a vacation 00:06:52.939 --> 00:06:58.300 coming up. Another vacation? Another? What do 00:06:58.300 --> 00:06:59.699 you mean by another? Well, I mean, you're gone 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:10.019 all summer. Moving on before he continues to 00:07:10.019 --> 00:07:13.860 rage bait me. Yeah, my vacation is coming up. 00:07:13.899 --> 00:07:16.079 You're going to Slovakia for like two months. 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:20.839 Yep. No. Three weeks. We'll be in Slovakia. So 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.579 what Sean is so dutifully wrapping his mind around. 00:07:25.779 --> 00:07:29.620 So after today, there will be two more podcasts. 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.319 Two more. On the 4th and 11th. Yes. And then 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:34.680 we're going to take a break. Yes, we're taking 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.439 a break. It's a month -long break. We talked 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.959 about doubling up and doing a crazy recording 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.540 schedule, but it's honestly just too much. And 00:07:41.540 --> 00:07:43.540 so it's just going to be, we're going to take 00:07:43.540 --> 00:07:45.620 a break. We're going off air. There will not 00:07:45.620 --> 00:07:48.980 be a podcast released on Friday. for how many 00:07:48.980 --> 00:07:52.079 weeks? Several. Several weeks. So we'll have 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.240 a podcast on September 11th. Yes. And then the 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.420 next podcast that will be released will be October 00:07:57.420 --> 00:08:00.160 16th. There you go. So a month. A month. A full 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.120 month. Yeah, a full month that there will be 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:03.759 no podcast. Now, let's go ahead and look to the 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:05.899 future as well. Yes, the future. Because the 00:08:05.899 --> 00:08:10.759 plan has always been that this podcast was a 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.939 one -year thing. Yeah. That's how it's all. We 00:08:13.939 --> 00:08:19.009 started it. This was our 2026 goal. Thing. thing 00:08:19.009 --> 00:08:21.709 to do a podcast or at least one once a week and 00:08:21.709 --> 00:08:24.810 so um and that's currently still our plan which 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:29.490 means uh when 2026 ends we're off the air yeah 00:08:29.490 --> 00:08:31.910 you know and i know for some of you maybe that's 00:08:31.910 --> 00:08:36.799 a shock and um you know the patreon gets going 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.279 maybe we'll change our minds but you don't know 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.820 you you keep we keep joking about the patreon 00:08:42.820 --> 00:08:44.940 i feel like and no one ever mentions it to me 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:47.840 outside of this room and i feel like uh somebody's 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:50.679 gonna approach us on january 21st or so and be 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.980 like hey i made you guys a patreon it's racked 00:08:53.980 --> 00:08:58.279 up x amount of dollars I need new episodes. Listen, 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.379 if that literal conversation happens, I will 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:05.379 say, let's go. Let's do it. I feel like that's 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:08.879 extra wage. I feel like we still have to report 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.399 that to the IRS, don't we? Yeah, that's income. 00:09:11.740 --> 00:09:14.740 That's income. I see. The issue will be reporting 00:09:14.740 --> 00:09:18.600 it to the Lord then. Profiteering. I think Paul 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.860 calls that peddling the gospel. So hold on. If 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:24.000 you're going to open up this rabbit trail. Okay. 00:09:25.370 --> 00:09:28.929 Because to me, that feels awfully similar also 00:09:28.929 --> 00:09:32.370 to pastors getting paid. Different. All right. 00:09:32.429 --> 00:09:35.970 So, I mean, I feel like... You're saying, so 00:09:35.970 --> 00:09:38.950 someone cannot share the gospel and share theology 00:09:38.950 --> 00:09:41.809 through a podcast and get paid for it. It can 00:09:41.809 --> 00:09:43.990 only be done through a local church through tithes 00:09:43.990 --> 00:09:46.389 and offerings? No, it just feels different to 00:09:46.389 --> 00:09:49.230 me. There's a sense of like we're profiteering 00:09:49.230 --> 00:09:52.210 off of our labor at the church for extra income. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.539 like we're already we're on church time yeah 00:09:55.539 --> 00:09:59.240 if you and i were sitting down after four o 'clock 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.220 i could make a case for our patreon support you 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:04.460 know i've never dangerous guitar habit and your 00:10:04.460 --> 00:10:06.639 dangerous pokemon card habit i gotta hit today 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:10.919 i rest my case i've never thought about that 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.620 aspect of uh like doing it on company time if 00:10:14.620 --> 00:10:16.620 you will for the average person on the lord's 00:10:16.620 --> 00:10:22.070 time yeah I was going to say, no. Yeah, it's 00:10:22.070 --> 00:10:25.210 when we're so interesting. I am heavily pro -paying 00:10:25.210 --> 00:10:31.840 your pastors. Don't muggle me on. Don't muzzle 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.340 the ox. It treads the grain, man. Okay. I just 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:36.799 want to make sure we're all on the same page 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.820 here. All right. We can understand a little bit 00:10:39.820 --> 00:10:43.220 of differences. And so basically, if they want 00:10:43.220 --> 00:10:46.059 the podcast to continue in 2027, you need to 00:10:46.059 --> 00:10:49.279 make a Patreon. You got to make a Patreon. And 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:50.779 you have to have accumulated. And then we got 00:10:50.779 --> 00:10:53.379 to start recording at night. Yeah. But then it's 00:10:53.379 --> 00:10:55.899 not the Memorial Baptist Church. No, it's the 00:10:55.899 --> 00:10:58.059 pursuing Jesus podcast. It's the podcast formally 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:02.259 known as the memorial. This has gone off the 00:11:02.259 --> 00:11:06.299 rails. All right. Okay, so we didn't finish the 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:10.740 announcement. So as many of you know that go 00:11:10.740 --> 00:11:13.440 to our church, December gets crazy busy. Crazy. 00:11:13.659 --> 00:11:17.179 And this year's no different with mine and Ben's 00:11:17.179 --> 00:11:20.779 schedule. And so we are going to wrap up the 00:11:20.779 --> 00:11:25.759 podcast of 2026 on December 4th. Yep. That's 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:27.460 going to be our last one. Now, we are looking 00:11:27.460 --> 00:11:29.220 at trying to do some kind of fun Christmas episode. 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:33.360 or something. We want to have fun with it, but 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.870 that will be. The final one. So as we say that 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:42.970 we are going to the end of 2026, I just want 00:11:42.970 --> 00:11:44.950 everybody to realize that for us and the busyness 00:11:44.950 --> 00:11:48.009 of our schedule, that means December 4th. Yeah. 00:11:48.809 --> 00:11:51.470 So we gave you some dates. Come back to this 00:11:51.470 --> 00:11:54.169 episode to be reminded of these things, but we'll 00:11:54.169 --> 00:11:57.009 let you know. But anyways, yeah, let us know 00:11:57.009 --> 00:11:58.669 your feelings about all this, but that is our 00:11:58.669 --> 00:12:00.649 current plans. That is our current plan. You 00:12:00.649 --> 00:12:01.929 know what's going to happen, Sean, is that the 00:12:01.929 --> 00:12:04.029 people are going to rise up. They're going to 00:12:04.029 --> 00:12:05.730 raise this up on their shoulders like they did 00:12:05.730 --> 00:12:08.649 Julius Caesar after he beat the Visigoths and 00:12:08.649 --> 00:12:13.269 be like, more podcast. Et tu, Brute? Yeah, good 00:12:13.269 --> 00:12:17.509 reference. I know that whole speech. That doesn't 00:12:17.509 --> 00:12:20.190 surprise me. I actually love me some Shakespeare. 00:12:21.250 --> 00:12:24.330 You know what I also love me some? God's word. 00:12:24.629 --> 00:12:28.490 Jesus? Yep. Let's pursue him. Let's pursue him 00:12:28.490 --> 00:12:31.730 into the text right now. Flawless transition. 00:12:32.610 --> 00:12:37.590 You know, what episode are we on? This is episode 00:12:37.590 --> 00:12:41.250 35. 35. I think our transitions have gotten better. 00:12:41.690 --> 00:12:46.830 I'm so glad you think that. I don't agree, but 00:12:46.830 --> 00:12:49.129 I'm glad you think so. That feels the same as 00:12:49.129 --> 00:12:50.830 like in the Spider -Man movie where it's the 00:12:50.830 --> 00:12:52.330 three of them and it's like, I love you, man. 00:12:52.389 --> 00:12:57.389 And they're like, thank you. All right. Today 00:12:57.389 --> 00:12:59.759 we're going to talk about. kind of the Peter 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:03.080 denying Jesus scene from like Jesus' trial. Yeah. 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.860 And we split it up into two days, August 31st 00:13:05.860 --> 00:13:09.320 and September the 2nd. Yeah. I'm kind of going 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:11.820 to, I did kind of treat them as, and I'm going 00:13:11.820 --> 00:13:13.419 to treat them as as we talk about them, sort 00:13:13.419 --> 00:13:16.500 of one thing. Yeah. So I feel like a lot of people 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:20.379 come to this text with a very kind of critical 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:23.320 spirit. Like, come on, Peter. But you know, I 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.620 think, and we do that a lot of times with a lot 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:28.570 of scripture too. And I think this is a great 00:13:28.570 --> 00:13:30.870 example. Also, the Old Testament and the Israelites. 00:13:31.009 --> 00:13:33.529 Oh, yeah. Like Book of Judges, it's like, dudes, 00:13:33.649 --> 00:13:36.190 get your stuff together. Yeah, yeah. And it's 00:13:36.190 --> 00:13:38.049 one of those things that kind of going back to 00:13:38.049 --> 00:13:40.210 a theme that we've had on this podcast of that 00:13:40.210 --> 00:13:44.350 whenever we read Scripture, our inclination is 00:13:44.350 --> 00:13:46.789 many times to have that attitude or to put the 00:13:46.789 --> 00:13:49.009 stories on somebody else. Yeah, to point the 00:13:49.009 --> 00:13:51.769 finger. But we know that God's Word is supposed 00:13:51.769 --> 00:13:53.649 to be a mirror. And it's supposed to be something 00:13:53.649 --> 00:13:56.210 that we reflect back to us. And so that's our 00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:58.509 hope with as we look at this passage today and 00:13:58.509 --> 00:14:00.330 as we look at all of them, that, man, y 'all 00:14:00.330 --> 00:14:03.509 try to avoid that pitfall of putting scripture 00:14:03.509 --> 00:14:05.970 on somebody else or looking at the characters 00:14:05.970 --> 00:14:07.809 in this way. But, man, really look at yourself. 00:14:08.129 --> 00:14:10.629 Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily mean like read 00:14:10.629 --> 00:14:13.129 yourself into the text. No, that's different. 00:14:13.289 --> 00:14:15.570 It's very different. But it does mean what does 00:14:15.570 --> 00:14:17.970 this text say about me rather than what does 00:14:17.970 --> 00:14:21.639 this text say about my homeboys? Application, 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.759 baby. Application, baby. Sean, you mind if I 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:26.820 read this bad boy? This is one of those rare 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:28.740 accounts where you get it in all four Gospels. 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.399 I would really love to start with the Luke one, 00:14:31.460 --> 00:14:34.820 but I'm going to crawl through several elements 00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:37.120 of multiple of these. Go ahead and dungeon crawl 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.500 through it. It's Luke 22, 54 through 65. And 00:14:41.500 --> 00:14:43.879 again, I'm combining the Luke texts from the 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.759 31st and the 2nd. Verse 54 says, And then they 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.059 seized him, who was Jesus, and led him away, 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.840 bringing him into the high priest's house. And 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.120 Peter was following at a distance. And when they 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:58.820 had kindled a fire in the middle of the courtyard 00:14:58.820 --> 00:15:01.500 and sat down together, Peter sat down among them. 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:04.639 Then a servant girl, seeing him as he sat in 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.100 the light and looking closely at him, said, This 00:15:07.100 --> 00:15:09.639 man was also with him. But he denied it, saying, 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.960 Woman, I do not know him. And a little later 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.940 someone else saw him and said, You also are one 00:15:15.940 --> 00:15:19.360 of them. But Peter said, Man, I am not. And then 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.759 after an interval of about an hour, still another 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:26.039 insisted, saying, Certainly this man was also 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.840 with him, for he too is a Galilean. But Peter 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.340 said, Man, I do not know what you are talking 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:33.840 about. And immediately while he was still speaking, 00:15:33.940 --> 00:15:36.559 the rooster crowed. And the Lord turned and looked 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.919 at Peter. And Peter remembered the saying of 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:40.960 the Lord, how he had said to him before the rooster 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.559 crows today, you will deny me three times. And 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.659 he went out and he wept bitterly. Sometimes this 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:49.399 can be so hard to read, dude. You know, as you 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:52.279 were reading, I was kind of reading along with 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.639 you, but then at the end I was kind of just scrolling 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.019 ahead in my brain, and I just keep looking at 00:15:58.019 --> 00:16:01.500 verse 62, right? Yeah. And he went outside and 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:06.639 wept bitterly. I mean, just the picture of this 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.580 guy, Peter, the rock. The guy that, you know, 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.299 we know what he's going to do. We know who he 00:16:13.299 --> 00:16:16.980 has been in the group of the disciples, the apostles. 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:22.279 Right. And to see him just utterly break down 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:24.559 because he realizes, like, you know, because 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.399 as it just says, like, Jesus has already had 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:29.679 this conversation with him. He told them this 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.279 was going to happen, and he's like, there's no 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.279 way I won't do that. Right. And then you could 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.820 just see it. He just realizes what happens and 00:16:36.820 --> 00:16:42.090 just breaks. It's a very emotional moment. It 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:45.769 is. I get the impression, just from reading this, 00:16:45.830 --> 00:16:48.049 and then from the past couple of weeks as we've 00:16:48.049 --> 00:16:52.669 done the lead -up to Jesus' crucifixion and stuff, 00:16:52.730 --> 00:16:55.350 which is yet to come in, I think, probably the 00:16:55.350 --> 00:17:01.090 next episode or two away. But as I've read through 00:17:01.090 --> 00:17:06.319 this, At this moment in time, this verse 62, 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:09.259 he goes out, he weeps bitterly. Peter's whole 00:17:09.259 --> 00:17:12.039 life has fallen apart. So think about this from 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:18.119 a long -term perspective. So Peter was a businessman. 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.440 He was a fisherman. Peter has a family. He's 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.279 got a wife. We don't know whether he had kids 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:24.480 or not, but we know he had a mother -in -law. 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:29.000 He sets all that aside because Jesus meets him 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.099 and says, follow me and I will make you a fisher 00:17:31.099 --> 00:17:34.180 of men. Peter has been following Jesus and doing 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:38.319 this for like three years. Like, like, like seasons 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.599 have passed. He has seen Jesus in the winter 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.960 and the summer and the spring. Like he's walked 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.539 with Jesus. Peter was one of the guys that Jesus 00:17:44.539 --> 00:17:46.599 sent out and gave authority to cast demons out 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.400 and heal the sick. Like Peter was there for the 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.039 sermon on the Mount. Peter was there for Jesus 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:53.799 saying, Lazarus come out of the tomb. And he 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:55.500 watched Jesus raise this guy from the dead. Healed 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:57.640 his mother -in -law. Yeah. Peter, Jesus healed 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.750 Peter's mother -in -law. Peter was one of the 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:02.509 first guys, not the first, but one of the first 00:18:02.509 --> 00:18:04.430 guys to say it like, where else would we go? 00:18:04.509 --> 00:18:11.450 You are the Messiah, right? And so finally, Passion 00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:13.390 Week comes, although Peter doesn't know it, right? 00:18:14.109 --> 00:18:16.369 And Jesus tells him the kingdom of heaven is 00:18:16.369 --> 00:18:19.009 at hand. Jesus switches from saying, my time 00:18:19.009 --> 00:18:23.750 has not yet come to my time has come. Jesus prays 00:18:23.750 --> 00:18:27.809 this massive prayer over his disciples. And he 00:18:27.809 --> 00:18:29.559 begins to tell them what's going to happen. You 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:30.920 know, the Son of Man is going to be dragged before 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:32.920 the high priests and be killed, and Peter will 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:34.799 not have it. You got to remember, he's coming 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.880 at this from, like, Jesus is the Messiah, which 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.339 means he's going to overthrow Roman rule perspective. 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.059 He's going to set up his kingdom like King David 00:18:43.059 --> 00:18:46.400 and rule on that throne forever. And Jesus even 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:48.339 tells him, like, dude, strap on your sword. And 00:18:48.339 --> 00:18:51.099 so Peter does. And they go into the garden, and, 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.529 of course, you have the scene where... Peter 00:18:53.529 --> 00:18:55.670 cuts off the high priest servant's ear. Jesus 00:18:55.670 --> 00:18:58.329 puts it right back on. Peter's whole world is 00:18:58.329 --> 00:19:02.210 falling apart because he is seeing the one who 00:19:02.210 --> 00:19:04.490 he trusted and the one who he's assuming was 00:19:04.490 --> 00:19:07.150 about to take like authority and rulership of 00:19:07.150 --> 00:19:11.710 Israel tried and beaten and dragged in front 00:19:11.710 --> 00:19:13.190 of the high priest. And I'm sure there would 00:19:13.190 --> 00:19:15.289 have been confusion there of like, these guys 00:19:15.289 --> 00:19:17.809 are the religious elite. Like if anybody should 00:19:17.809 --> 00:19:21.170 recognize the Messiah, it should be them. And 00:19:21.170 --> 00:19:23.960 so like, We could talk about Peter's weakness 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.900 or Peter's fear, and those are both there. But 00:19:26.900 --> 00:19:28.160 one of the things that struck me is this guy's 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:31.960 world is falling apart. And I think that we can 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:36.480 respond that way too sometimes. Like when things 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.839 really go south and our world is falling apart, 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:43.900 one of the other gospel narratives says that 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:46.359 the third time that Peter denies Christ, he calls 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:50.380 down a curse on himself. which is less like saying 00:19:50.380 --> 00:19:53.619 a cuss word and more like saying, may Yahweh 00:19:53.619 --> 00:19:57.140 curse me if this is not true. And it's like his 00:19:57.140 --> 00:19:59.079 whole world is shattered. Like why not take it 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.640 the rest of the way, man? But I think that we 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:04.640 have that impulse in us too. Like when difficulty 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.400 strikes us, one of the first things that we do 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.880 is deny Christ. Not from like a persecution, 00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:14.940 like gun to our head perspective, but like when 00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:17.410 we're hurting. Like the very first place that 00:20:17.410 --> 00:20:20.109 I tend to go is, God, where are you? Yeah. Have 00:20:20.109 --> 00:20:22.970 your promises ever been true? Because they don't 00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:27.230 feel true in this moment. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind 00:20:27.230 --> 00:20:29.109 of like what I talked about this past Sunday 00:20:29.109 --> 00:20:32.009 of that feeling of isolation when we go to those 00:20:32.009 --> 00:20:37.950 places. And if we allow that to continue without 00:20:37.950 --> 00:20:40.849 seeking the Lord, it can send us to a dark place. 00:20:41.869 --> 00:20:46.690 It can. And like Peter was. Seeking the Lord. 00:20:46.789 --> 00:20:50.910 He was right there with them. And I think it 00:20:50.910 --> 00:20:56.269 can be easy to lean on times of closeness with 00:20:56.269 --> 00:20:58.029 the Lord and say, well, yeah, when the times 00:20:58.029 --> 00:21:02.269 of famine comes, I'll stick with you. But it's 00:21:02.269 --> 00:21:07.930 the least easy thing, man. Yeah. And I'm hoping 00:21:07.930 --> 00:21:11.640 that when we get back to the... Jesus restoring 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.160 Peter that we can talk about the restoration 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:15.240 thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. We'll have to go talk about 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.359 that. But my primary focus here was just like, 00:21:17.380 --> 00:21:19.119 like, what does it look like when a man breaks? 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.960 Yeah. You know, you wonder what else was like, 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.799 like surprise. What else stood out to me as a, 00:21:24.819 --> 00:21:27.039 as that I had not read or that I hadn't realized 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:30.440 before. What's that? The John account puts another 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.670 disciple there. Okay. Had never thought about 00:21:34.670 --> 00:21:37.849 that before. John 18, 15, Simon Peter followed 00:21:37.849 --> 00:21:41.369 Jesus, and so did another disciple. And since 00:21:41.369 --> 00:21:43.369 that disciple was known to the high priest, he 00:21:43.369 --> 00:21:45.569 entered with Jesus into the courtyard. Peter 00:21:45.569 --> 00:21:47.529 stood outside the door. The other disciple, who 00:21:47.529 --> 00:21:49.049 was known to the high priest, went out and spoke 00:21:49.049 --> 00:21:50.769 to the servant girl who kept watch of the door 00:21:50.769 --> 00:21:54.369 and brought Peter in. The servant girl at the 00:21:54.369 --> 00:21:56.950 door said to Peter, you are not also one of his 00:21:56.950 --> 00:22:00.839 disciples, are you? And he said, I am not. Like, 00:22:00.859 --> 00:22:04.319 Peter was already identified as he was walking 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.680 in. Yeah. And he was probably sitting talking 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:10.099 with this other disciple of Jesus who was known 00:22:10.099 --> 00:22:12.799 to the high priest. And so, like, even with all 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.799 the facts pointing towards I am associated with 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.720 Jesus, he's still like, no. No, that's not me. 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.319 That's not me. Who do you think this other disciple 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:28.480 was, Sean? Just from the way it is written, I 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.480 would say John. It feels like John, right? Yeah, 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.640 because during his gospel, anytime he comes up, 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.500 he doesn't really refer to himself. He refers 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:40.619 to himself as another disciple. Yeah. And also, 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.500 set in wintertime, had not really thought about 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:45.079 that either. Like they made a fire because it 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:47.700 was cold. Yeah. It feels like the desolate and 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:50.019 the desolation and the bleakness kind of fit 00:22:50.019 --> 00:22:53.740 the scene here. Verse 61 of the Luke account 00:22:53.740 --> 00:22:57.759 is also crazy to me. Like Peter denies. Jesus, 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:01.579 and Jesus turns and looks at him. Oh, man. Yeah. 00:23:02.259 --> 00:23:07.839 It's like that gentle reminder, you know, of, 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:11.480 and like I said, I mean, in verse 61, when he 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.940 turned and looked, so Peter remembered. Yeah. 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:19.299 It's that reminder. But us knowing the heart 00:23:19.299 --> 00:23:22.940 of Jesus. We know that the look that he's giving, 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.599 it's not one of disappointment. It's not a how 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:31.380 dare you. No. It's a loving reminder look. And 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:37.299 also, it's interesting to know that while he 00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:42.319 is denying him, he is in view of Jesus. Yeah. 00:23:42.460 --> 00:23:46.839 Because it's one thing for us to do things behind 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.119 someone's back. or why they're not there, but 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.200 like, you know, in Jesus, he is in the vicinity, 00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:55.420 you know? Yeah. That he is actively looking at 00:23:55.420 --> 00:23:58.079 Jesus and also saying, no, I don't know this 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.339 guy. Yeah. You know, but once again, I mean, 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.980 not throwing shade at him, but looking at ourselves, 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:07.980 I mean, how often do we get in positions where 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:13.019 our faith is tested? Are we going to stand firm 00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:14.859 and say, yeah, that's my God, that's my Lord? 00:24:15.099 --> 00:24:18.950 Or are we going to... fall to the pressures of 00:24:18.950 --> 00:24:21.750 the world and the people around us. Well, that's 00:24:21.750 --> 00:24:26.289 a good question to bring up. So, like, most of 00:24:26.289 --> 00:24:28.990 our listeners are here in 21st century America 00:24:28.990 --> 00:24:33.069 in Stanley County. Like the odds of any of the 00:24:33.069 --> 00:24:35.589 people who are listening to this episode walking 00:24:35.589 --> 00:24:37.849 into a room having a gun placed to their head 00:24:37.849 --> 00:24:42.569 and saying, deny Christ or die, those odds are 00:24:42.569 --> 00:24:46.410 low. That extreme, yes, it is low. What does 00:24:46.410 --> 00:24:49.869 it look like for 21st century believers in Stanley 00:24:49.869 --> 00:24:53.829 County to deny Christ? And that's why I prefaced 00:24:53.829 --> 00:24:59.569 that degree, because I do hear stories from our 00:24:59.569 --> 00:25:03.130 students of teachers that they have that are 00:25:03.130 --> 00:25:08.470 very anti -gospel, anti -Bible, and who are literally 00:25:08.470 --> 00:25:13.190 trying to teach them another spiritual truth. 00:25:13.410 --> 00:25:19.210 I hear from adults who... want to share their 00:25:19.210 --> 00:25:22.470 faith at work, but they have someone there who 00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:26.450 has had a terrible experience and refuses conversations 00:25:26.450 --> 00:25:32.130 and curses God's name. And so yes, the persecution 00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:37.079 that we deal with... the majority of the time 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.299 in our culture where we live, it looks different. 00:25:40.339 --> 00:25:43.299 It looks like standing firm against someone else's 00:25:43.299 --> 00:25:46.359 beliefs. It looks like standing firm against 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.299 someone else's emotions. And that no matter what 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:54.480 is said, we never waver on the name of Jesus. 00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:59.420 And so, yeah, it absolutely looks different. 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.339 But one of the things that I like to tell our 00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:05.319 students is just because your persecution doesn't 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.759 involve a death threat, it doesn't mean you don't 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.859 experience true persecution. Yeah, true. It's 00:26:11.859 --> 00:26:15.140 just a different form. Like, yes, and so many 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:16.960 times we can make ourselves feel bad or someone 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.440 else can make you feel bad because like, oh man, 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:21.380 there's Christians in other parts of the world 00:26:21.380 --> 00:26:23.400 or in other parts of the country that they're 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.400 being threatened because of their beliefs, right? 00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:29.319 But it doesn't mean that your persecution is 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.420 not real. It's just on a different level. And 00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:35.740 still, you have to have the courage to stand 00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:39.259 firm on your faith. But this also goes back to 00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:41.059 apologetics and why it's so important for you 00:26:41.059 --> 00:26:43.660 to know why you believe what you believe. I want 00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:45.920 to piggyback on that a little bit. I'm so glad 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:47.640 you took this direction because I was kind of 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.740 thinking along those lines too. In my conversations 00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:54.299 with unbelievers, particularly when things have 00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:58.619 gotten heated, but even where it's remained civil, 00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.960 non -Christians tend to define Christianity as 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.420 a list of do's and don'ts. Like, okay, so because 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:09.000 you're a Christian, you're not going to smoke 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.240 weed with me. Okay, because you're a Christian, 00:27:11.380 --> 00:27:13.660 you are going to go to church. Because you're 00:27:13.660 --> 00:27:15.539 a Christian, you aren't going to do this, or 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:17.259 you're going to vote a certain way, which, like, 00:27:17.299 --> 00:27:20.700 that's another thing in and of itself. One thing 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.319 that I feel like when we face persecution or 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.069 difficulty because of who we believe, one of 00:27:27.069 --> 00:27:30.009 the ways that we can stand firm on Christ is 00:27:30.009 --> 00:27:32.349 not to defend the behaviors Christians are supposed 00:27:32.349 --> 00:27:36.650 to have, but rather engage with the person of 00:27:36.650 --> 00:27:41.750 Jesus himself. It doesn't matter. So many of 00:27:41.750 --> 00:27:44.170 the moral, cultural, hot -button issues that 00:27:44.170 --> 00:27:47.089 Christians are supposed to take, as important 00:27:47.089 --> 00:27:49.829 as those are, they're secondary to the person 00:27:49.829 --> 00:27:54.200 of Jesus Christ. Um, and so like those conversations 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:57.359 that I have been in where we get to, where we 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.980 can shift the focus from Ben. Oh, well, don't 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:02.480 make that joke around Ben. He's not going to 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:06.119 laugh. It's like, I probably won't, but why won't 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.359 I? Yeah. And I think that why matters too, because 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.779 we can in standing firm for Christ, we can make 00:28:10.779 --> 00:28:13.119 the mistake of defending the principle rather 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.900 than like, like actually talking about the King. 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.599 It's like, well, I don't do that because I'm 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.119 a Christian and because Christians don't do that. 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.140 It's like, whoa. Yeah. I don't do that because 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:26.859 I used to be a sinner. I used to be in the same 00:28:26.859 --> 00:28:30.160 boat as you, dude. And whether I would laugh 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.779 at that joke then or now or not, like Christ 00:28:32.779 --> 00:28:35.920 has redeemed me from my own personal vices and 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.660 difficulties. And so it's not about what I do 00:28:38.660 --> 00:28:41.460 or I don't do. And if you want to persecute me 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.480 for what I do or I don't do, that is your prerogative. 00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:47.160 But the love of Christ that he has shown to me 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.579 is what... motivates me is what actually helps 00:28:51.579 --> 00:28:55.720 me endure persecution um and oftentimes responding 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.299 in persecution that way surprises people they 00:28:58.299 --> 00:29:02.819 expect to fight you know um but responding like 00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:05.640 with love the way that christ did is kind of 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.859 the whole point i mean i mean the first century 00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:09.799 christians essentially spread their religion 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.380 by dying for it yeah The love that Christians 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.240 showed to the poor, not just their poor, but 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.339 to others. The forgiveness they showed to their 00:29:18.339 --> 00:29:20.859 captors and to their executioners was one of 00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.259 the primary things that drew like a whole empire 00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:27.079 of people to Christ in the first place. Yeah, 00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:31.380 and this is one of the things that I really encourage. 00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:35.000 I encourage my students and the people that I 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.559 talk to when it comes to things like this for 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.039 standing up for your faith is, you know, anytime 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.319 someone comes up to you and they're going to 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.579 have this confrontational attitude, you know, 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.059 instead of engaging with that, ask them their 00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:48.599 story. Ooh, that's a good one. There's a reason 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.920 that they are being so passionate with what they 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:54.940 believe or what they're saying or even with their 00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:59.279 anger. So instead of engaging and... And getting 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.480 rage baited like Ben likes to do to me. That's 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:06.339 a two -way street. Ask them their story. Dude, 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.380 that's so good. Yeah. That we point, we ask people 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:11.880 about their stories when they get angry. Because 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.099 here's the deal. Jesus looks at the people who 00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:20.640 deny him. Jesus looks them in the eyes. And it's 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.519 like you said, it's not with condemnation. It 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.799 is an invitation to relationship. And there's 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.500 pain there, right? Because when we deny Christ, 00:30:30.619 --> 00:30:32.059 we have to be honest with ourselves that that's 00:30:32.059 --> 00:30:36.119 what we've done. But it is with the intent of 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.900 restoration. And I have no doubt that that's 00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:41.579 what Jesus is thinking about here. Peter, I still 00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:43.279 believe that you're this rock that I'm going 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.369 to build my church on. The Lord allowed this 00:30:47.369 --> 00:30:49.950 to happen to teach Peter about being watchful 00:30:49.950 --> 00:30:53.410 and about standing on his faith. And that's the 00:30:53.410 --> 00:30:55.349 thing to remember. When we get into these times 00:30:55.349 --> 00:31:00.210 where we are in the valleys, as I said on Sunday, 00:31:00.349 --> 00:31:05.049 are you going to use those opportunities to grow 00:31:05.049 --> 00:31:10.410 in your faith, to push closer to Jesus? Because 00:31:10.410 --> 00:31:13.309 that's what we see here with Peter. is even though 00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:17.369 he sees what has happened, as we said earlier, 00:31:17.509 --> 00:31:19.789 we're going to see the restoration happen, but 00:31:19.789 --> 00:31:22.529 he grows from this. Yes. And that's what the 00:31:22.529 --> 00:31:24.890 Lord wants to see in us is when we're going through 00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:28.109 these difficult times or when we've, man, we 00:31:28.109 --> 00:31:30.390 didn't respond the way we know we should have. 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:34.750 Use it as a growth experience. My dad would always 00:31:34.750 --> 00:31:37.859 say, never waste a good crisis. I mean, there's 00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:41.960 truth. There's truth to that. And so Peter weeps 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.799 bitterly now so that when they crucify him upside 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.660 down at the end of his life, he can say, no, 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.039 I'm not worthy to die the same way that Jesus 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.880 did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Pursuers, this has been 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.059 definitely a heavier episode, but I think a good 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:03.420 episode. And definitely one where slow talk was 00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:08.640 needed. You're a punk, Sean. I had to lighten 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.059 the mood, man. Dang, that was heavy. Thank you 00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:15.480 guys for listening. We love you guys. We've got 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.900 a couple more weeks and we're going to take a 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.420 break here. We'll probably beat that drum for 00:32:19.420 --> 00:32:21.839 the next couple of weeks. We'll keep on reminding 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.099 you because we'd hate for someone to hop in and 00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:25.980 go, where are you guys at? We're taking a break. 00:32:26.859 --> 00:32:30.180 We're on a break. We'll catch you later pursuing 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:37.220 Jesus, Pandas. Bye, Pandas. Later. Pursuing Jesus 00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:40.640 is a ministry of Memorial Baptist Church in Norwood, 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:41.339 North Carolina.