Well, good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon.
Good night, pandas. How are we doing? I feel
like we're still talking. So you know what's
really funny? Yeah, what's funny? So this is,
oh, I haven't talked about this, but this was
a while ago, maybe like a month ago. Tiffany
came to me and she said, you know, sometimes
on the podcast, you and Ben start talking really
slow and it really annoys me. What? I don't know
what was... But I do know sometimes we'll get
into that very like... Contemplative. Yeah, sentimental,
contemplative moment. And evidently, when we
do that, we talk really slow. That was really
hard for me to do right there. I mean, Sean,
I think when it comes down to it, Tiffany really
just... just needs to get on board. Because when
we talk super slowly, usually that means we are
drawing emphasis to important things. I now know
how the fox feels in Zootopia when he has to
go to the DMV. That was so painful. I watched
your ADHD kick into full gear. Oh my gosh, that
was so painful. Maybe you have an idea. Oh, my
gosh. That was difficult. That was very difficult
for me. I make no apology. Well, what's up, pandas?
Hello again. Oh, man. You know, it is a sunny,
hot day here in North Carolina. It is, and we
are currently a couple days out from Church at
the Lake. Yep. Or out past Church at the Lake.
Man, what an incredible day. Yeah. That was,
I'm still like, I still just been thinking about
it and thinking about how the Lord just moved
that day and the fellowship and just everything
was so good. I know you were just jazzed about
the free burgers. And preaching in flip -flops.
And preaching in flip -flops. I will tell you,
like there was a part of me that was like. I
bet I could get away with a hat today. You could
have. I could have. You absolutely could have.
But my wise conscience, my wife. Even like the
hat you're wearing right now. Yeah. Like it's
not. a baseball i mean it is like a it is technically
a baseball cap it is technically a baseball cap
but it is a fancier version i mean it's corduroy
it's got a rope on it it's embroidered it's true
you know it's not just it doesn't have it's not
a sports team that's what i'm saying i got you
it's more of a it's more of a stylish piece than
it is a representing of a team piece well when
uh we do church at the lake next year yeah you
know what You know what some people brought up?
What did they bring up? Springtime Church of
the Lake. Springtime Church of the Lake. How
do you think that we would differentiate that
from, like, regular Church of the Lake? We'd
call it Springtime Church of the Lake. This is
the same thing where, like, you ask somebody
to define a word and they use the word in the
definition? No. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean,
I think, you know, we haven't done it in the
past because it's right around Easter. Fair.
True facts. We've got a lot of busy stuff going
on around that time. But, you know, it's something.
We've never discussed off mic, so we probably
shouldn't discuss on mic. Oh, I'm keeping this.
Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, for the people
that listen, give us your thoughts. Give us your
thoughts. Springtime, Georgia Lake. I do feel
like either spring or fall. Yeah. Like maybe
we skip Church of the Lake next year in the fall
and do it in the spring. Well, but that's the
thing, right? Because we only have that property
for a limited time until the developers start
to develop. Yeah, until they build the racetrack.
Yeah, it's coming to Norwood. It's coming to
Norwood. That's not true. That's not true. No,
I don't even... What did the developers... We
talked to the property owner. Yeah. What did
they say they were putting up there? A steamboat?
They purchased some kind of boat to put out there.
A steamboat, like an old school one with the
paddles and stuff. But no, on the property we
were at, they're going to be doing a restaurant.
They talked about doing a boardwalk. Are we supposed
to be talking about this on mic? Heck, I don't
know. Let's stop. I don't know. I don't know.
I want to keep using this property. I don't want
to make anybody mad. Something tells me that
the listeners of the Pursuing Jesus podcast don't
include the owner of that property. But hey.
If you're listening... We're glad you're here.
I want you to... I'm glad you're here, and I
want you to bring in one more restaurant into
Norwood. Just please, please, anything. Anything?
Any restaurant. Any restaurant. If they build
another Mexican restaurant, I'm going to lose
my mind. You got to be careful with those phrases.
Like an Italian place? Like some good Italian...
Oh, man. See, you're too new to know about Milano's.
You've heard the name, I'm sure. I've heard.
People have talked about Milano's, but that was
a great... But you see, I've been in Norwood
now so long that I remember Norwood with zero
Mexican restaurants. I don't know if I knew that
that was not a... I assume that that was a public
fixture of all of the restaurants. Here's the
interesting thing, though. For those who have
actually grown up here, the stucco building that's
next to the police department... That looks like
a rundown Mexican restaurant? It used to be a
Mexican restaurant. I don't know how long ago
that shut down. It was a while ago, before my
time. Somebody told me at one point Norwood had
a movie theater. That it was where Reservoir
used to be and stuff. Yeah, I think... I don't
think it was in Reservoir. I think it was the
one next to it. But you might be right as well.
But yes, one of those buildings was the local
theater. I would have loved for them to bring
that back. Just from an enjoyment of life perspective.
I think that would be sick. I agree. Imagine
seeing the new Spider -Man in the Norwood Community
Theater. That would be cool. Like with the wooden
bench seats and stuff? Yes. Like your back is
hurting like terribly when you leave. Pay 50
cents for a ticket. Smells like popcorn and bubble
gum rubbed around on the sole of a leather shoe.
Oh, I'm about that. Hey, well, we have an announcement.
We do have an announcement. Yeah, we want to
talk. We want to make sure our pandas are in
the loop for the rest of the year because we,
I mean, we are, it is today as we are recording,
September has come. Yeah, September has sprung.
Yes, it's here. And so we are getting into the
holiday season of the year where we're about
to get into a lot of stuff. Also, I have a vacation
coming up. Another vacation? Another? What do
you mean by another? Well, I mean, you're gone
all summer. Moving on before he continues to
rage bait me. Yeah, my vacation is coming up.
You're going to Slovakia for like two months.
Yep. No. Three weeks. We'll be in Slovakia. So
what Sean is so dutifully wrapping his mind around.
So after today, there will be two more podcasts.
Two more. On the 4th and 11th. Yes. And then
we're going to take a break. Yes, we're taking
a break. It's a month -long break. We talked
about doubling up and doing a crazy recording
schedule, but it's honestly just too much. And
so it's just going to be, we're going to take
a break. We're going off air. There will not
be a podcast released on Friday. for how many
weeks? Several. Several weeks. So we'll have
a podcast on September 11th. Yes. And then the
next podcast that will be released will be October
16th. There you go. So a month. A month. A full
month. Yeah, a full month that there will be
no podcast. Now, let's go ahead and look to the
future as well. Yes, the future. Because the
plan has always been that this podcast was a
one -year thing. Yeah. That's how it's all. We
started it. This was our 2026 goal. Thing. thing
to do a podcast or at least one once a week and
so um and that's currently still our plan which
means uh when 2026 ends we're off the air yeah
you know and i know for some of you maybe that's
a shock and um you know the patreon gets going
maybe we'll change our minds but you don't know
you you keep we keep joking about the patreon
i feel like and no one ever mentions it to me
outside of this room and i feel like uh somebody's
gonna approach us on january 21st or so and be
like hey i made you guys a patreon it's racked
up x amount of dollars I need new episodes. Listen,
if that literal conversation happens, I will
say, let's go. Let's do it. I feel like that's
extra wage. I feel like we still have to report
that to the IRS, don't we? Yeah, that's income.
That's income. I see. The issue will be reporting
it to the Lord then. Profiteering. I think Paul
calls that peddling the gospel. So hold on. If
you're going to open up this rabbit trail. Okay.
Because to me, that feels awfully similar also
to pastors getting paid. Different. All right.
So, I mean, I feel like... You're saying, so
someone cannot share the gospel and share theology
through a podcast and get paid for it. It can
only be done through a local church through tithes
and offerings? No, it just feels different to
me. There's a sense of like we're profiteering
off of our labor at the church for extra income.
like we're already we're on church time yeah
if you and i were sitting down after four o 'clock
i could make a case for our patreon support you
know i've never dangerous guitar habit and your
dangerous pokemon card habit i gotta hit today
i rest my case i've never thought about that
aspect of uh like doing it on company time if
you will for the average person on the lord's
time yeah I was going to say, no. Yeah, it's
when we're so interesting. I am heavily pro -paying
your pastors. Don't muggle me on. Don't muzzle
the ox. It treads the grain, man. Okay. I just
want to make sure we're all on the same page
here. All right. We can understand a little bit
of differences. And so basically, if they want
the podcast to continue in 2027, you need to
make a Patreon. You got to make a Patreon. And
you have to have accumulated. And then we got
to start recording at night. Yeah. But then it's
not the Memorial Baptist Church. No, it's the
pursuing Jesus podcast. It's the podcast formally
known as the memorial. This has gone off the
rails. All right. Okay, so we didn't finish the
announcement. So as many of you know that go
to our church, December gets crazy busy. Crazy.
And this year's no different with mine and Ben's
schedule. And so we are going to wrap up the
podcast of 2026 on December 4th. Yep. That's
going to be our last one. Now, we are looking
at trying to do some kind of fun Christmas episode.
or something. We want to have fun with it, but
that will be. The final one. So as we say that
we are going to the end of 2026, I just want
everybody to realize that for us and the busyness
of our schedule, that means December 4th. Yeah.
So we gave you some dates. Come back to this
episode to be reminded of these things, but we'll
let you know. But anyways, yeah, let us know
your feelings about all this, but that is our
current plans. That is our current plan. You
know what's going to happen, Sean, is that the
people are going to rise up. They're going to
raise this up on their shoulders like they did
Julius Caesar after he beat the Visigoths and
be like, more podcast. Et tu, Brute? Yeah, good
reference. I know that whole speech. That doesn't
surprise me. I actually love me some Shakespeare.
You know what I also love me some? God's word.
Jesus? Yep. Let's pursue him. Let's pursue him
into the text right now. Flawless transition.
You know, what episode are we on? This is episode
35. 35. I think our transitions have gotten better.
I'm so glad you think that. I don't agree, but
I'm glad you think so. That feels the same as
like in the Spider -Man movie where it's the
three of them and it's like, I love you, man.
And they're like, thank you. All right. Today
we're going to talk about. kind of the Peter
denying Jesus scene from like Jesus' trial. Yeah.
And we split it up into two days, August 31st
and September the 2nd. Yeah. I'm kind of going
to, I did kind of treat them as, and I'm going
to treat them as as we talk about them, sort
of one thing. Yeah. So I feel like a lot of people
come to this text with a very kind of critical
spirit. Like, come on, Peter. But you know, I
think, and we do that a lot of times with a lot
of scripture too. And I think this is a great
example. Also, the Old Testament and the Israelites.
Oh, yeah. Like Book of Judges, it's like, dudes,
get your stuff together. Yeah, yeah. And it's
one of those things that kind of going back to
a theme that we've had on this podcast of that
whenever we read Scripture, our inclination is
many times to have that attitude or to put the
stories on somebody else. Yeah, to point the
finger. But we know that God's Word is supposed
to be a mirror. And it's supposed to be something
that we reflect back to us. And so that's our
hope with as we look at this passage today and
as we look at all of them, that, man, y 'all
try to avoid that pitfall of putting scripture
on somebody else or looking at the characters
in this way. But, man, really look at yourself.
Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily mean like read
yourself into the text. No, that's different.
It's very different. But it does mean what does
this text say about me rather than what does
this text say about my homeboys? Application,
baby. Application, baby. Sean, you mind if I
read this bad boy? This is one of those rare
accounts where you get it in all four Gospels.
I would really love to start with the Luke one,
but I'm going to crawl through several elements
of multiple of these. Go ahead and dungeon crawl
through it. It's Luke 22, 54 through 65. And
again, I'm combining the Luke texts from the
31st and the 2nd. Verse 54 says, And then they
seized him, who was Jesus, and led him away,
bringing him into the high priest's house. And
Peter was following at a distance. And when they
had kindled a fire in the middle of the courtyard
and sat down together, Peter sat down among them.
Then a servant girl, seeing him as he sat in
the light and looking closely at him, said, This
man was also with him. But he denied it, saying,
Woman, I do not know him. And a little later
someone else saw him and said, You also are one
of them. But Peter said, Man, I am not. And then
after an interval of about an hour, still another
insisted, saying, Certainly this man was also
with him, for he too is a Galilean. But Peter
said, Man, I do not know what you are talking
about. And immediately while he was still speaking,
the rooster crowed. And the Lord turned and looked
at Peter. And Peter remembered the saying of
the Lord, how he had said to him before the rooster
crows today, you will deny me three times. And
he went out and he wept bitterly. Sometimes this
can be so hard to read, dude. You know, as you
were reading, I was kind of reading along with
you, but then at the end I was kind of just scrolling
ahead in my brain, and I just keep looking at
verse 62, right? Yeah. And he went outside and
wept bitterly. I mean, just the picture of this
guy, Peter, the rock. The guy that, you know,
we know what he's going to do. We know who he
has been in the group of the disciples, the apostles.
Right. And to see him just utterly break down
because he realizes, like, you know, because
as it just says, like, Jesus has already had
this conversation with him. He told them this
was going to happen, and he's like, there's no
way I won't do that. Right. And then you could
just see it. He just realizes what happens and
just breaks. It's a very emotional moment. It
is. I get the impression, just from reading this,
and then from the past couple of weeks as we've
done the lead -up to Jesus' crucifixion and stuff,
which is yet to come in, I think, probably the
next episode or two away. But as I've read through
this, At this moment in time, this verse 62,
he goes out, he weeps bitterly. Peter's whole
life has fallen apart. So think about this from
a long -term perspective. So Peter was a businessman.
He was a fisherman. Peter has a family. He's
got a wife. We don't know whether he had kids
or not, but we know he had a mother -in -law.
He sets all that aside because Jesus meets him
and says, follow me and I will make you a fisher
of men. Peter has been following Jesus and doing
this for like three years. Like, like, like seasons
have passed. He has seen Jesus in the winter
and the summer and the spring. Like he's walked
with Jesus. Peter was one of the guys that Jesus
sent out and gave authority to cast demons out
and heal the sick. Like Peter was there for the
sermon on the Mount. Peter was there for Jesus
saying, Lazarus come out of the tomb. And he
watched Jesus raise this guy from the dead. Healed
his mother -in -law. Yeah. Peter, Jesus healed
Peter's mother -in -law. Peter was one of the
first guys, not the first, but one of the first
guys to say it like, where else would we go?
You are the Messiah, right? And so finally, Passion
Week comes, although Peter doesn't know it, right?
And Jesus tells him the kingdom of heaven is
at hand. Jesus switches from saying, my time
has not yet come to my time has come. Jesus prays
this massive prayer over his disciples. And he
begins to tell them what's going to happen. You
know, the Son of Man is going to be dragged before
the high priests and be killed, and Peter will
not have it. You got to remember, he's coming
at this from, like, Jesus is the Messiah, which
means he's going to overthrow Roman rule perspective.
He's going to set up his kingdom like King David
and rule on that throne forever. And Jesus even
tells him, like, dude, strap on your sword. And
so Peter does. And they go into the garden, and,
of course, you have the scene where... Peter
cuts off the high priest servant's ear. Jesus
puts it right back on. Peter's whole world is
falling apart because he is seeing the one who
he trusted and the one who he's assuming was
about to take like authority and rulership of
Israel tried and beaten and dragged in front
of the high priest. And I'm sure there would
have been confusion there of like, these guys
are the religious elite. Like if anybody should
recognize the Messiah, it should be them. And
so like, We could talk about Peter's weakness
or Peter's fear, and those are both there. But
one of the things that struck me is this guy's
world is falling apart. And I think that we can
respond that way too sometimes. Like when things
really go south and our world is falling apart,
one of the other gospel narratives says that
the third time that Peter denies Christ, he calls
down a curse on himself. which is less like saying
a cuss word and more like saying, may Yahweh
curse me if this is not true. And it's like his
whole world is shattered. Like why not take it
the rest of the way, man? But I think that we
have that impulse in us too. Like when difficulty
strikes us, one of the first things that we do
is deny Christ. Not from like a persecution,
like gun to our head perspective, but like when
we're hurting. Like the very first place that
I tend to go is, God, where are you? Yeah. Have
your promises ever been true? Because they don't
feel true in this moment. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind
of like what I talked about this past Sunday
of that feeling of isolation when we go to those
places. And if we allow that to continue without
seeking the Lord, it can send us to a dark place.
It can. And like Peter was. Seeking the Lord.
He was right there with them. And I think it
can be easy to lean on times of closeness with
the Lord and say, well, yeah, when the times
of famine comes, I'll stick with you. But it's
the least easy thing, man. Yeah. And I'm hoping
that when we get back to the... Jesus restoring
Peter that we can talk about the restoration
thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. We'll have to go talk about
that. But my primary focus here was just like,
like, what does it look like when a man breaks?
Yeah. You know, you wonder what else was like,
like surprise. What else stood out to me as a,
as that I had not read or that I hadn't realized
before. What's that? The John account puts another
disciple there. Okay. Had never thought about
that before. John 18, 15, Simon Peter followed
Jesus, and so did another disciple. And since
that disciple was known to the high priest, he
entered with Jesus into the courtyard. Peter
stood outside the door. The other disciple, who
was known to the high priest, went out and spoke
to the servant girl who kept watch of the door
and brought Peter in. The servant girl at the
door said to Peter, you are not also one of his
disciples, are you? And he said, I am not. Like,
Peter was already identified as he was walking
in. Yeah. And he was probably sitting talking
with this other disciple of Jesus who was known
to the high priest. And so, like, even with all
the facts pointing towards I am associated with
Jesus, he's still like, no. No, that's not me.
That's not me. Who do you think this other disciple
was, Sean? Just from the way it is written, I
would say John. It feels like John, right? Yeah,
because during his gospel, anytime he comes up,
he doesn't really refer to himself. He refers
to himself as another disciple. Yeah. And also,
set in wintertime, had not really thought about
that either. Like they made a fire because it
was cold. Yeah. It feels like the desolate and
the desolation and the bleakness kind of fit
the scene here. Verse 61 of the Luke account
is also crazy to me. Like Peter denies. Jesus,
and Jesus turns and looks at him. Oh, man. Yeah.
It's like that gentle reminder, you know, of,
and like I said, I mean, in verse 61, when he
turned and looked, so Peter remembered. Yeah.
It's that reminder. But us knowing the heart
of Jesus. We know that the look that he's giving,
it's not one of disappointment. It's not a how
dare you. No. It's a loving reminder look. And
also, it's interesting to know that while he
is denying him, he is in view of Jesus. Yeah.
Because it's one thing for us to do things behind
someone's back. or why they're not there, but
like, you know, in Jesus, he is in the vicinity,
you know? Yeah. That he is actively looking at
Jesus and also saying, no, I don't know this
guy. Yeah. You know, but once again, I mean,
not throwing shade at him, but looking at ourselves,
I mean, how often do we get in positions where
our faith is tested? Are we going to stand firm
and say, yeah, that's my God, that's my Lord?
Or are we going to... fall to the pressures of
the world and the people around us. Well, that's
a good question to bring up. So, like, most of
our listeners are here in 21st century America
in Stanley County. Like the odds of any of the
people who are listening to this episode walking
into a room having a gun placed to their head
and saying, deny Christ or die, those odds are
low. That extreme, yes, it is low. What does
it look like for 21st century believers in Stanley
County to deny Christ? And that's why I prefaced
that degree, because I do hear stories from our
students of teachers that they have that are
very anti -gospel, anti -Bible, and who are literally
trying to teach them another spiritual truth.
I hear from adults who... want to share their
faith at work, but they have someone there who
has had a terrible experience and refuses conversations
and curses God's name. And so yes, the persecution
that we deal with... the majority of the time
in our culture where we live, it looks different.
It looks like standing firm against someone else's
beliefs. It looks like standing firm against
someone else's emotions. And that no matter what
is said, we never waver on the name of Jesus.
And so, yeah, it absolutely looks different.
But one of the things that I like to tell our
students is just because your persecution doesn't
involve a death threat, it doesn't mean you don't
experience true persecution. Yeah, true. It's
just a different form. Like, yes, and so many
times we can make ourselves feel bad or someone
else can make you feel bad because like, oh man,
there's Christians in other parts of the world
or in other parts of the country that they're
being threatened because of their beliefs, right?
But it doesn't mean that your persecution is
not real. It's just on a different level. And
still, you have to have the courage to stand
firm on your faith. But this also goes back to
apologetics and why it's so important for you
to know why you believe what you believe. I want
to piggyback on that a little bit. I'm so glad
you took this direction because I was kind of
thinking along those lines too. In my conversations
with unbelievers, particularly when things have
gotten heated, but even where it's remained civil,
non -Christians tend to define Christianity as
a list of do's and don'ts. Like, okay, so because
you're a Christian, you're not going to smoke
weed with me. Okay, because you're a Christian,
you are going to go to church. Because you're
a Christian, you aren't going to do this, or
you're going to vote a certain way, which, like,
that's another thing in and of itself. One thing
that I feel like when we face persecution or
difficulty because of who we believe, one of
the ways that we can stand firm on Christ is
not to defend the behaviors Christians are supposed
to have, but rather engage with the person of
Jesus himself. It doesn't matter. So many of
the moral, cultural, hot -button issues that
Christians are supposed to take, as important
as those are, they're secondary to the person
of Jesus Christ. Um, and so like those conversations
that I have been in where we get to, where we
can shift the focus from Ben. Oh, well, don't
make that joke around Ben. He's not going to
laugh. It's like, I probably won't, but why won't
I? Yeah. And I think that why matters too, because
we can in standing firm for Christ, we can make
the mistake of defending the principle rather
than like, like actually talking about the King.
It's like, well, I don't do that because I'm
a Christian and because Christians don't do that.
It's like, whoa. Yeah. I don't do that because
I used to be a sinner. I used to be in the same
boat as you, dude. And whether I would laugh
at that joke then or now or not, like Christ
has redeemed me from my own personal vices and
difficulties. And so it's not about what I do
or I don't do. And if you want to persecute me
for what I do or I don't do, that is your prerogative.
But the love of Christ that he has shown to me
is what... motivates me is what actually helps
me endure persecution um and oftentimes responding
in persecution that way surprises people they
expect to fight you know um but responding like
with love the way that christ did is kind of
the whole point i mean i mean the first century
christians essentially spread their religion
by dying for it yeah The love that Christians
showed to the poor, not just their poor, but
to others. The forgiveness they showed to their
captors and to their executioners was one of
the primary things that drew like a whole empire
of people to Christ in the first place. Yeah,
and this is one of the things that I really encourage.
I encourage my students and the people that I
talk to when it comes to things like this for
standing up for your faith is, you know, anytime
someone comes up to you and they're going to
have this confrontational attitude, you know,
instead of engaging with that, ask them their
story. Ooh, that's a good one. There's a reason
that they are being so passionate with what they
believe or what they're saying or even with their
anger. So instead of engaging and... And getting
rage baited like Ben likes to do to me. That's
a two -way street. Ask them their story. Dude,
that's so good. Yeah. That we point, we ask people
about their stories when they get angry. Because
here's the deal. Jesus looks at the people who
deny him. Jesus looks them in the eyes. And it's
like you said, it's not with condemnation. It
is an invitation to relationship. And there's
pain there, right? Because when we deny Christ,
we have to be honest with ourselves that that's
what we've done. But it is with the intent of
restoration. And I have no doubt that that's
what Jesus is thinking about here. Peter, I still
believe that you're this rock that I'm going
to build my church on. The Lord allowed this
to happen to teach Peter about being watchful
and about standing on his faith. And that's the
thing to remember. When we get into these times
where we are in the valleys, as I said on Sunday,
are you going to use those opportunities to grow
in your faith, to push closer to Jesus? Because
that's what we see here with Peter. is even though
he sees what has happened, as we said earlier,
we're going to see the restoration happen, but
he grows from this. Yes. And that's what the
Lord wants to see in us is when we're going through
these difficult times or when we've, man, we
didn't respond the way we know we should have.
Use it as a growth experience. My dad would always
say, never waste a good crisis. I mean, there's
truth. There's truth to that. And so Peter weeps
bitterly now so that when they crucify him upside
down at the end of his life, he can say, no,
I'm not worthy to die the same way that Jesus
did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Pursuers, this has been
definitely a heavier episode, but I think a good
episode. And definitely one where slow talk was
needed. You're a punk, Sean. I had to lighten
the mood, man. Dang, that was heavy. Thank you
guys for listening. We love you guys. We've got
a couple more weeks and we're going to take a
break here. We'll probably beat that drum for
the next couple of weeks. We'll keep on reminding
you because we'd hate for someone to hop in and
go, where are you guys at? We're taking a break.
We're on a break. We'll catch you later pursuing
Jesus, Pandas. Bye, Pandas. Later. Pursuing Jesus
is a ministry of Memorial Baptist Church in Norwood,
North Carolina.