WEBVTT 00:00:03.819 --> 00:00:09.539 What's up, Pursuers? Pursuers! What's up, Pursuers? 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:16.699 I am the right Reverend Benjamin Smith. So, it 00:00:16.699 --> 00:00:19.039 took me a second to get the Savannah accent you 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.620 were doing. When you started with the word right. 00:00:23.149 --> 00:00:24.890 Sounded like you said rot. And I'm like, what 00:00:24.890 --> 00:00:27.730 is he about to say about himself? Ben, Ben, no, 00:00:27.809 --> 00:00:29.710 you're good, dude. Don't say that about yourself. 00:00:30.010 --> 00:00:33.250 But no, no, you're the rot reverend. Rot reverend. 00:00:33.250 --> 00:00:35.789 Dude, there are some denominations where they 00:00:35.789 --> 00:00:39.369 will refer to their pastor as the righteous reverend 00:00:39.369 --> 00:00:42.090 or his excellency and stuff like that. Fully 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:46.289 aware, yes. I don't know, man. That's not me, 00:00:46.369 --> 00:00:50.130 man. I'm a dude. Listen. Please don't start doing 00:00:50.130 --> 00:00:52.609 this. Don't. I don't even want to do the joke. 00:00:52.929 --> 00:00:56.829 Like, no. No. I'm just a dude pursuing Jesus. 00:00:57.109 --> 00:01:00.250 Sean is also just a dude pursuing Jesus. We're 00:01:00.250 --> 00:01:02.689 all dudes. Or dudettes. I'm a dude. You're a 00:01:02.689 --> 00:01:07.209 dude. She's a dude. That's a good burger. You 00:01:07.209 --> 00:01:09.010 don't know the movie Good Burger? No, Sean. That 00:01:09.010 --> 00:01:12.870 is a full on 90s movies. Nickelodeon 90s. Kenan 00:01:12.870 --> 00:01:16.390 and Kel. Wow. Nickelodeon 90s movie. Good Burger. 00:01:16.549 --> 00:01:21.069 It's a great one. No, it's Nickelodeon. It's 00:01:21.069 --> 00:01:25.069 safe. We're good. Are you going to get to apologize 00:01:25.069 --> 00:01:27.790 for referencing another movie at the beginning 00:01:27.790 --> 00:01:30.849 of our next podcast? Because I enjoyed that. 00:01:30.909 --> 00:01:34.349 I enjoyed Googling Good Morning Vietnam and being 00:01:34.349 --> 00:01:37.250 like, well, whoopsie doodle. Nice job, Sean. 00:01:37.489 --> 00:01:38.969 Hey, you just brought it back up. I just talked 00:01:38.969 --> 00:01:41.030 about Good Burger. This is on the internet forever 00:01:41.030 --> 00:01:46.510 now. Yep, yep. Oh, man. Well, hey, I've been 00:01:46.510 --> 00:01:49.010 thinking about ways to start this episode. And 00:01:49.010 --> 00:01:51.090 just based off of the text you and I talked about. 00:01:51.769 --> 00:01:55.790 And I wanted to ask you this question. I have 00:01:55.790 --> 00:01:59.170 answers to questions. If you had one day left 00:01:59.170 --> 00:02:02.269 and you knew that you were going to die, what 00:02:02.269 --> 00:02:05.849 would you do? Different people take it different 00:02:05.849 --> 00:02:10.750 ways. I think my question is best encapsulated 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:14.110 in the words of the prophet Nickelback. If today 00:02:14.110 --> 00:02:18.210 was your last day, tomorrow was too late, would 00:02:18.210 --> 00:02:24.009 you say goodbye to yesterday? I'm not familiar 00:02:24.009 --> 00:02:27.930 with that one. What are you talking about? Listen, 00:02:27.930 --> 00:02:29.710 I've probably heard the song. You grew up with 00:02:29.710 --> 00:02:32.550 Nickelback's heyday. I grew up with Nickelback. 00:02:32.610 --> 00:02:34.830 I'm just saying, but listening to you sing it 00:02:34.830 --> 00:02:38.669 right now does not ring any bells of my memory. 00:02:38.849 --> 00:02:42.750 Well, clearly you have some homework for the 00:02:42.750 --> 00:02:47.500 rest of your day. Clearly. But do you want my 00:02:47.500 --> 00:02:49.719 answer now? Yes, I do. I do want your answer. 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:51.039 I didn't know if you were going to break out 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.680 in a song again. No. No, I mean, that is the 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.240 easiest answer. Easiest answer to you. Yeah, 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.979 absolutely. I'm getting my family in a vehicle 00:02:59.979 --> 00:03:02.699 and we're driving to the beach and we're spending 00:03:02.699 --> 00:03:06.340 it on the beach together. I'm going to spend 00:03:06.340 --> 00:03:08.360 time in the ocean. Yep. I'm going to spend time 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:12.020 hunting for seashells. I'm going to spend time 00:03:12.020 --> 00:03:15.039 laying down watching my kids play. Man. That's 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.340 what I'm going to do. That is a beautiful, beautiful 00:03:18.340 --> 00:03:19.919 way to spend that, and a beautiful, beautiful 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.439 answer. I'm admittedly shocked that there is 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.819 not Mexican food in there. There's not some tacos 00:03:25.819 --> 00:03:27.560 or something. You didn't ask meals. You didn't 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.500 ask for meals, and meals would be a part of it, 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:35.819 but the activity would be the beach. I got you. 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.780 That's a very, very good answer. I feel like 00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:40.479 mine would definitely involve the mountains, 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.419 so I understand that feeling. I see that. You're 00:03:43.419 --> 00:03:49.909 a beach bum. person. Is there an equivalent of 00:03:49.909 --> 00:03:52.849 a beach bum phrase for a mountain? You could 00:03:52.849 --> 00:03:55.909 say mountain man, but that's sexist. We don't 00:03:55.909 --> 00:04:05.349 do that. Were you listening to Galatians 3? You 00:04:05.349 --> 00:04:09.590 got mountain man and mountain mama. It doesn't 00:04:09.590 --> 00:04:12.250 have the same feel as beach bum. It characterizes 00:04:12.250 --> 00:04:17.620 a culture. That doesn't care. Mountain Man. But 00:04:17.620 --> 00:04:19.420 even like Mountain Man, when I think of Mountain 00:04:19.420 --> 00:04:23.980 Man, I'm not thinking of you. You know what, 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:29.399 Sean? That's so rude. But I see what you're saying. 00:04:30.259 --> 00:04:32.480 Bro, I'm thinking of the dude on the heck in 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.620 the bra and toilet paper. Yes, I like the flannel, 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:45.579 blue jeans, boots with the axe. The mountain 00:04:45.579 --> 00:04:47.759 man did our intro for the last podcast. Welcome 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.500 to you. That was funnier than I meant it to be. 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.759 Thank you, Sean. Thank you. I hate every bit 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.720 of... Oh, man. And that's a good intro, too. 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.740 So I have to keep it for our people. And that 00:04:59.740 --> 00:05:01.699 was me slapping the table, by the way, because 00:05:01.699 --> 00:05:07.139 I cracked myself up so much on that one. I wasn't 00:05:07.139 --> 00:05:09.819 knee slapping laughing. I was slapping the table. 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:11.699 That is the noise you guys heard. Yeah, that 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:13.699 certainly wasn't like your spine creaking from 00:05:13.699 --> 00:05:20.740 old age. That's a low blow, man. I'm sorry. You 00:05:20.740 --> 00:05:23.800 know, it's a common one here in the office, though. 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.879 I am the old man in the office these days, and 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.800 it is what it is. It is true. It is true. Well, 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:32.800 but so the whole reason that I bring up, like 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.620 if today was your last day, what would you do? 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.819 Yeah. And good answer is because of our text 00:05:36.819 --> 00:05:40.500 today. This falls at an interesting place in 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:43.160 the Passion Week. Remember, because this is like 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.920 Jesus's last week on earth is kind of where we're 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:47.420 sitting in our reading. Now we're in the last. 00:05:48.109 --> 00:05:51.509 Yes, in the last days, like last three, four 00:05:51.509 --> 00:05:55.110 -ish days. This is the text from August the 9th. 00:05:55.129 --> 00:05:59.110 It's John 13, 1 through 20, where Jesus washes 00:05:59.110 --> 00:06:04.069 the disciples' feet. I think we should read this, 00:06:04.170 --> 00:06:06.829 honestly. For my purposes, I'd like to do like 00:06:06.829 --> 00:06:10.689 1 through 11. Maybe we can jump into 12 through 00:06:10.689 --> 00:06:14.730 20 later on. But you mind if I read that? No, 00:06:14.730 --> 00:06:16.129 please go ahead, man. Let's get it right on the 00:06:16.129 --> 00:06:19.870 same page. All right, this is John 13, 1 through 00:06:19.870 --> 00:06:22.930 11, 1 through 12, whatever, wherever we land. 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:26.329 Now, before the feast of Passover, when Jesus 00:06:26.329 --> 00:06:28.850 knew that his hour had come to depart out of 00:06:28.850 --> 00:06:32.029 this world to the Father, having loved his own 00:06:32.029 --> 00:06:34.050 who were in the world, he loved them to the end. 00:06:35.029 --> 00:06:37.449 During supper, when the devil had already put 00:06:37.449 --> 00:06:39.970 into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, 00:06:40.050 --> 00:06:42.910 to betray him. Jesus, knowing that the Father 00:06:42.910 --> 00:06:45.550 had given all things into his hands and that 00:06:45.550 --> 00:06:47.449 he had come from God and he was going back to 00:06:47.449 --> 00:06:51.149 God, rose from supper. He laid aside his outer 00:06:51.149 --> 00:06:53.069 garments and, taking a towel, tied it around 00:06:53.069 --> 00:06:56.790 his waist. Then he poured water into a basin 00:06:56.790 --> 00:06:59.189 and began to wash the disciples' feet and wipe 00:06:59.189 --> 00:07:00.850 them with the towel that was wrapped around him. 00:07:00.990 --> 00:07:03.350 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, Lord, 00:07:03.490 --> 00:07:06.889 do you wash my feet? Jesus answered him, What 00:07:06.889 --> 00:07:09.569 I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward 00:07:09.569 --> 00:07:12.360 you will understand. Peter said to him, you shall 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.240 never wash my feet. And Jesus answered him, if 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.920 I do not wash you, you have no share with me. 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.980 Simon Peter said to him, Lord, not my feet, but 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:24.879 also my hands and my head. And Jesus said to 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.139 him, the one who is bathed does not need to wash 00:07:27.139 --> 00:07:29.079 except for his feet, but is completely clean. 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.339 You are clean, but not every one of you, for 00:07:32.339 --> 00:07:35.500 he knew who was to betray him. That was why he 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:40.740 said, not all of you who are clean. To bring 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:44.220 it full circle here, the reason I asked you that 00:07:44.220 --> 00:07:46.279 question to start with is because verse 1 and 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.379 verse 2 frame this text in an interesting way. 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.720 When Jesus realizes his time is limited, not 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.800 realizes because he already knows, but when Jesus 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.560 recognizes, okay, his hour has come to depart 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.480 out of this world, the thing that he thinks is 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.600 most important to do is to wash his disciples' 00:08:03.819 --> 00:08:08.120 feet. That was like the heading that just completely 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:09.899 floored me when I was studying this passage. 00:08:10.540 --> 00:08:13.439 To me, it's that phrase, it's the second half 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.500 of verse one. Yeah. Having loved his own who 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:20.019 were in the world, he loved them to the end. 00:08:20.819 --> 00:08:24.720 I feel like there's a whole sermon just in that 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.019 one little phrase. What do you get from that? 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:28.600 What do you get from that? I mean, to think, 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.399 okay. Once again, you even just alluded, and 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:34.360 we fully realize, and I talked about it Sunday. 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.799 Jesus is fully God. Right. He's fully human, 00:08:36.820 --> 00:08:40.379 but yet he's fully God. He knows, right? He knows, 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:42.759 and it says that Jesus knew that his hour had 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.799 come, meaning he fully realizes what he's about 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.779 to go through. Yes. In fact, we even see that 00:08:48.779 --> 00:08:52.159 here in a couple of verses of when he's in the 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.679 garden, and he is sweating blood. Yes. Because 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.320 he knows. what's about to happen. Which is a 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.720 real documented medical phenomenon. It's a thing. 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:07.419 Yes, absolutely. And so, knowing all of this, 00:09:07.659 --> 00:09:11.860 in this moment, he's not concerned about that. 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:16.720 He's not overwhelmed, freaking out. What is his 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.279 biggest concern is loving his disciples in the 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.620 end. Focusing... Once again, it's this example 00:09:23.620 --> 00:09:27.289 of servant leadership. Loving others before ourselves. 00:09:27.809 --> 00:09:30.990 And even though he could make this moment all 00:09:30.990 --> 00:09:34.350 about him, that's what I think from a worldly 00:09:34.350 --> 00:09:38.669 perspective. He's like, man, what is one of the 00:09:38.669 --> 00:09:41.309 last things I want to do for my disciples? Let 00:09:41.309 --> 00:09:44.129 me leave them with this incredible example. An 00:09:44.129 --> 00:09:48.450 extraordinary example. And I think that the love 00:09:48.450 --> 00:09:51.250 that he had for his disciples is also the love 00:09:51.250 --> 00:09:56.279 that he has for us. He loves us. To the end. 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:02.299 For many reasons, including that I've got some 00:10:02.299 --> 00:10:06.460 friends who are genuinely suffering. Life circumstances, 00:10:06.779 --> 00:10:11.559 infertility, a lot of different things. But the 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.860 way that Jesus loves us in suffering has been 00:10:15.860 --> 00:10:20.320 kind of one of the heads -up display concepts 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:25.629 or theological things of mine lately. Even Jesus 00:10:25.629 --> 00:10:29.470 in the garden before the Father, I want this 00:10:29.470 --> 00:10:34.230 cup to pass, not my will but yours. I talked 00:10:34.230 --> 00:10:35.929 about this on Wednesday night to our Wednesday 00:10:35.929 --> 00:10:39.169 night service. Why would Jesus ask God for something 00:10:39.169 --> 00:10:41.549 that he knows God is not going to grant? Because 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:43.830 once again, fully God, he knows that this is 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:47.830 the time, verse 2. He's aware that he's about 00:10:47.830 --> 00:10:52.269 to go back to God. Jesus isn't. This isn't defiance. 00:10:52.509 --> 00:10:55.429 No. This is him joining God in relationship with 00:10:55.429 --> 00:10:58.590 his pain. Yeah. And that love is the thing that 00:10:58.590 --> 00:11:02.190 pushes him forward. But, dude, in that moment 00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:03.970 in the garden, Jesus is holding his Father's 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:07.350 hand. What I love about it is it shows the example 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:10.690 of honesty in prayer. Dude. You know? Yeah. And 00:11:10.690 --> 00:11:13.409 it's one of the things that I try to talk to 00:11:13.409 --> 00:11:21.379 my students and even the church now. When we're 00:11:21.379 --> 00:11:25.179 young in our faith and we think of prayer, one, 00:11:25.379 --> 00:11:27.820 we feel like the prayer has its own little language. 00:11:27.980 --> 00:11:29.860 We've got to say the right words and do the right 00:11:29.860 --> 00:11:32.340 things. But then we even move on from that. We 00:11:32.340 --> 00:11:36.360 feel like prayer is only... It's not about being 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.600 honest with God. It's just about, oh, God, you're 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.340 so wonderful. Or, God, thank you for this food. 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.899 It's performance. Exactly. That's a great word. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.019 Absolutely. But seeing this, and I like taking... 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.460 going to this, I like taking people to David 00:11:51.460 --> 00:11:56.059 and the Psalms. Like you see the range of emotion 00:11:56.059 --> 00:11:59.159 that is expressed. And then even hear from Jesus, 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:02.919 the honesty of this prayer. This is what God 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:09.720 wants. God wants us, all of us, our mountaintops 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.840 and our valleys. He wants all of us and everything 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.100 in between. And there's something to be learned 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:19.320 here too. with kind of the harmony of service 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.100 and honesty, look at what Jesus does as he's 00:12:22.100 --> 00:12:24.820 about to serve. He takes off his outer garments 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:27.460 and he wraps a towel around his waist. Jesus, 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:30.860 and so like culturally here, that's the role 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:33.519 of the lowest servant in the house. The dude 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.399 who washes feet, like that is if you were at 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:38.360 the bottom of the totem pole. Because nobody 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.559 wanted this job. Ain't nobody wants that job. 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.350 But it is only when we... take off whatever we 00:12:46.350 --> 00:12:48.950 have trying to beautify us, whatever we have 00:12:48.950 --> 00:12:51.470 trying to be worthy in and of ourselves, whatever 00:12:51.470 --> 00:12:53.830 performance mindset we put on. It's only when 00:12:53.830 --> 00:12:57.210 we take that off that we can one, have genuinely 00:12:57.210 --> 00:13:00.389 relationship with the father and to serve out 00:13:00.389 --> 00:13:03.169 of a Christlike mindset and not out of performance. 00:13:03.590 --> 00:13:07.730 I just, I feel like, like, like, like for, okay. 00:13:07.809 --> 00:13:09.929 So for service, right? If we're looking at Jesus, 00:13:09.950 --> 00:13:12.690 the example of like when Jesus goes to serve 00:13:12.690 --> 00:13:17.100 the disciples, He puts himself in a low place, 00:13:17.179 --> 00:13:19.960 a place where his status doesn't matter, where 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.940 his preferences don't matter. That is something 00:13:22.940 --> 00:13:27.159 that I feel like can be most easily lost in a 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:32.659 church context. Explain this one. I'm going to 00:13:32.659 --> 00:13:35.059 use worship leadership because that's just near 00:13:35.059 --> 00:13:37.200 to me. Absolutely. Maybe we can pivot to something 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:42.320 that's more universally applicable. There is 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.720 a temptation as a worship leader, and maybe you 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:48.580 feel this as a preacher too, that when I get 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:52.480 up there, I have to be on. I flip a switch, and 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.899 then Ben is in worship leader Ben mode. The Lord 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:56.759 really convicted me of this a couple of years 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:01.500 ago, where the way I talk changes. My disposition 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:08.080 changes. Even the way that I worship. in that 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.399 state when I get on stage. That has not been 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.059 taking off his outer garments and putting himself 00:14:14.059 --> 00:14:16.360 in a servant perspective. That's been putting 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:19.639 on another layer of clothes. That's been putting 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.360 on an air of somebody who is close to God and 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.759 is very mystical and all these things. When in 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.639 reality, at that time in my life, my private... 00:14:31.269 --> 00:14:34.690 Yeah. The way that I worshiped God looked very 00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:38.149 different from my public worship. Yeah. And I 00:14:38.149 --> 00:14:42.330 think that that hypocrisy was well intended initially, 00:14:42.610 --> 00:14:44.629 like to some degree, right? Like all motives 00:14:44.629 --> 00:14:47.710 are mixed, right? Like there are no true pure, 00:14:47.769 --> 00:14:50.289 I'm doing this exclusively for good. We are humans 00:14:50.289 --> 00:14:52.289 and we deal with the pride and the different 00:14:52.289 --> 00:14:54.990 issues, yes. But I saw other worship leaders 00:14:54.990 --> 00:14:59.610 act in a certain way. And so I felt like I had 00:14:59.610 --> 00:15:03.110 to put that on to do effective ministry. And 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:07.850 maybe it's like that when we talk to people who 00:15:07.850 --> 00:15:11.029 aren't believers. We engage with them and we 00:15:11.029 --> 00:15:12.990 have to put on our Christian whatever, whatever, 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:16.230 and stand up a little straighter and make sure 00:15:16.230 --> 00:15:18.149 that they know that we're different than them. 00:15:18.230 --> 00:15:20.750 Or, oh no, I don't associate with that, or I 00:15:20.750 --> 00:15:22.269 don't do that, I'm a Christian. But if we're 00:15:22.269 --> 00:15:25.350 putting ourselves in the place of a servant, 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.820 then the way that we come across, like the way 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:32.919 that other people perceive our performance is 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:36.460 the last thing on our minds. Yeah. No, I see 00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:38.600 exactly what you're saying. And I do think, and 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.700 I'll be honest, from my perspective, I would 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:45.539 assume worship leaders probably deal with this 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:49.320 a lot. I mean, because it is a performative -based 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.379 ministry. There are skills involved, you know, 00:15:53.419 --> 00:15:55.899 especially, I mean, with the instruments and 00:15:55.899 --> 00:15:58.659 even vocals, right? And so there are things that 00:15:58.659 --> 00:16:03.200 it can be so easy to get focused on the technicality 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.080 of the songs and of the stage. that it can be 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.120 very easy to put on your garments. I see exactly 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.320 what you're saying now. But I do see that also 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:17.179 as the context of a pastor. Yes. The way that... 00:16:17.179 --> 00:16:19.080 Mine's a little bit different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:22.779 Right? So I see exactly what you're saying. I 00:16:22.779 --> 00:16:25.259 have always been on the mindset. One of the things, 00:16:25.340 --> 00:16:28.120 and it's... From Jesus, even before I became 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:32.019 a pastor, because I was in the secular world 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:34.519 of work before I became a pastor for a long time. 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:39.899 And I was in managerial roles for many years. 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.740 Assisted to the regional manager. No. I was the 00:16:44.740 --> 00:16:50.539 manager of a warehouse. And so I had people working 00:16:50.539 --> 00:16:54.450 underneath me and everything. But I took... In 00:16:54.450 --> 00:16:57.870 that environment, I wanted to be a servant leader, 00:16:58.049 --> 00:17:00.549 a servant manager. And so I wanted to lead like 00:17:00.549 --> 00:17:04.450 this where I wanted to do the things that people 00:17:04.450 --> 00:17:07.789 did not want to do. And sometimes that involved 00:17:07.789 --> 00:17:10.289 cleaning a warehouse bathroom. And I was willing 00:17:10.289 --> 00:17:13.750 to do that when the actual janitor was not there. 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:17.500 So going back to being a pastor now, so when 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:20.059 I became a pastor, I've always like, I've been 00:17:20.059 --> 00:17:23.039 very honest with who I am, and I don't want people 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.539 to see me on a pedestal. And I think that's one 00:17:25.539 --> 00:17:27.279 of the things I think our people see very quickly 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:29.940 in me is I'm very honest with my flaws. I'm very 00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:33.140 honest. I want people to realize I am human because 00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:37.519 I've been around churches and pastors where the 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.779 pastor is put on a different level and like, 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.099 oh, yes, we know he's a sinner because we're 00:17:43.099 --> 00:17:45.660 all sinners, but... but he's different. It's 00:17:45.660 --> 00:17:48.539 like this unspoken thing. Isn't it funny how 00:17:48.539 --> 00:17:52.180 we can directly say one thing, but internally 00:17:52.180 --> 00:17:56.519 believe another entirely? So I think the thing 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.940 that I've... I had this amazing older lady come 00:18:00.940 --> 00:18:03.279 up to me when I was young in ministry, because 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:09.099 I had a sermon where I focused a lot on my mistakes 00:18:09.099 --> 00:18:14.289 and my failings and everything. And she encouraged 00:18:14.289 --> 00:18:18.470 me to see who I was in Christ. Kind of like one 00:18:18.470 --> 00:18:20.690 of those same things. I knew these things, but 00:18:20.690 --> 00:18:23.690 I was starting... I think she helped save me 00:18:23.690 --> 00:18:26.869 from false humility. Yeah, yeah. Like where I 00:18:26.869 --> 00:18:28.529 was going down this road of, I'm going to keep 00:18:28.529 --> 00:18:33.230 saying all this stuff, but really see how bad 00:18:33.230 --> 00:18:37.470 of a person I was kind of thing. And so... I 00:18:37.470 --> 00:18:39.569 have no idea where I was going with that. I went 00:18:39.569 --> 00:18:41.289 down a rabbit trail a little bit and now I need 00:18:41.289 --> 00:18:43.890 you to bring me back. Remind me, remind me. It's 00:18:43.890 --> 00:18:46.069 not a rabbit trail at all because that's still 00:18:46.069 --> 00:18:48.250 performance. Not the way that you intended it. 00:18:48.349 --> 00:18:49.890 Performance, that's the word I couldn't remember. 00:18:50.049 --> 00:18:52.210 But it's both ways. No, but that's what that 00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:54.250 was. Yeah, exactly. That was my point is that 00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:56.569 I don't want someone to be focused on one side 00:18:56.569 --> 00:18:59.289 of it where the performance can look different 00:18:59.289 --> 00:19:01.849 for different people. Right. It's not just about 00:19:01.849 --> 00:19:04.369 putting on your best. You could perform. And 00:19:04.369 --> 00:19:08.259 put on your worst. Exactly. Um, and, and just 00:19:08.259 --> 00:19:10.920 like Jesus to, to have it somewhere in the middle, 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.019 you know, um, because putting on Christ, uh, 00:19:14.140 --> 00:19:16.440 prevents you from erring on both sides. Yeah. 00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:18.259 You're not putting on your best because Jesus 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:20.859 is your best. And you know that apart from him, 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:22.480 you can do nothing, but you're not putting on 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.680 your worst because you know that Jesus has redeemed 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:26.700 you. You're the heir of his promises because 00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:28.980 of what he has done. Hey, let me ask you a question. 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.099 Hit me. So verse six, it says he came to Simon 00:19:32.099 --> 00:19:34.599 Peter. Yeah. I haven't done a word study on this, 00:19:34.700 --> 00:19:39.299 but between verses five and six, to me and how 00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:41.880 I'm reading it in the English, it doesn't sound 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.279 like Peter's the first one that washed his feet. 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:47.079 I would agree with that assessment. So how do 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.559 you think the other guys responded? Like there's 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.119 not anything written here, but what do you like? 00:19:52.380 --> 00:19:55.779 Because Peter, we see him and we see his response. 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.460 Do you think they were just in shock and didn't 00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:03.039 say anything? Or what are your thoughts? So writing 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:06.440 myself directly into the New Testament narrative 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.759 here, shock is one of those things. I think for 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:11.500 me also it's like, oh, Jesus says he's going 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:13.619 to wash my feet? What am I going to say, no? 00:20:14.420 --> 00:20:16.420 I also get where Peter's coming from. He's like, 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:20.829 Lord, I'm not worthy. It's kind of like the unwritten 00:20:20.829 --> 00:20:23.190 thing. Given that this is the Gospel of John 00:20:23.190 --> 00:20:24.569 and John the Apostle is the one who wrote it, 00:20:24.609 --> 00:20:26.869 like classic John not including himself in the 00:20:26.869 --> 00:20:29.009 narrative. He's like, oh, yeah, the other disciples. 00:20:30.109 --> 00:20:33.250 But, you know, and it is kind of funny because 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:36.289 so many times Peter ends up being the guy that 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:38.910 you're like, oh, Peter. Yeah. You know, which 00:20:38.910 --> 00:20:42.549 he is that human character for us as a leader 00:20:42.549 --> 00:20:47.960 of this group, and we see his mistakes. Honestly, 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.880 when I read this and I read his reply, when he's, 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.319 you know, are you going to wash my feet and Jesus 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:59.400 says these things? Like, I understand. Like, 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.420 I fully understand because of the culture, as 00:21:03.420 --> 00:21:06.539 you just said, the lowest position of the house 00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:08.960 was the one that did this. And then you have 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:15.200 Jesus, who at this point, the disciples... fully 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.240 are committed that he is the Messiah. Yes. Like, 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.319 they realize he's God. Peter is one of the first 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.200 people to say it. Yes. And then Peter has seen 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.940 him in his glorified state on the mountain. And 00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:30.819 so Peter knows, like, without a shadow of a doubt, 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:36.319 who he is. And yet, and he's like, no, no, no. 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.660 I know. who you are, you're going to wash my 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:45.059 feet? I'm like, man, I can see Peter's headspace 00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:48.960 from my perspective. Absolutely. And so here's 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.160 the crazy thing. Peter's right. Yeah. Peter is 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.160 not worthy for Jesus to wash his feet. No. None 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:58.279 of the disciples are worthy. Jesus sums it up 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:01.279 in verse 8. Jesus answers him, if I do not wash 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.769 you, you have no share. Dude, we hit this every 00:22:05.769 --> 00:22:09.509 episode and I'm here for it. Jesus is the one 00:22:09.509 --> 00:22:13.730 who makes Peter worthy. And because Jesus is 00:22:13.730 --> 00:22:16.869 the worthy one, Jesus gets to decide what he 00:22:16.869 --> 00:22:19.509 does with that worth and who he wants to include 00:22:19.509 --> 00:22:21.829 in his kingdom. And so he locks eyes with Peter 00:22:21.829 --> 00:22:24.710 and says, you want to share with me? Do you want 00:22:24.710 --> 00:22:27.190 to share in the kingdom? This is how you get 00:22:27.190 --> 00:22:30.190 it. I have to wash you. And that's the gospel. 00:22:30.490 --> 00:22:34.410 Yeah, man. I mean, And this is why this is something 00:22:34.410 --> 00:22:38.789 that we still just talk about so much, and it's 00:22:38.789 --> 00:22:41.549 still affecting people so much, is because this 00:22:41.549 --> 00:22:47.970 is such a beautiful picture of God. Yeah. God 00:22:47.970 --> 00:22:51.750 putting himself in one of the lowliest positions 00:22:51.750 --> 00:22:55.710 for the people that he's about to die for. Yes. 00:22:55.730 --> 00:23:01.170 What an incredible picture of love that he has 00:23:01.170 --> 00:23:05.109 for us. And it's, I mean, this is one that is 00:23:05.109 --> 00:23:08.549 just overwhelming. And it's overwhelming to think, 00:23:08.809 --> 00:23:13.069 he is about to be put on a cross. He is about 00:23:13.069 --> 00:23:16.789 to, Jesus' body is about to go through some physical 00:23:16.789 --> 00:23:20.609 pain that is just... Agony. Agony. I mean, even 00:23:20.609 --> 00:23:23.289 like, I mean, they had to invent a word for it. 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:25.470 Excruciating means out of the cross. Out of the 00:23:25.470 --> 00:23:30.000 cross. I mean, it was that bad. And so... Jesus 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.240 is about to go through that. As we talked about, 00:23:32.299 --> 00:23:35.680 he knows he's about to go through that. And yet 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.839 he takes off his outer robe, gets the towel, 00:23:38.980 --> 00:23:42.640 gets the water, and just walks around and washes 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:48.019 their feet. Like, man, this just... Once again, 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:49.619 I even said it on Sunday where I just preached 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:52.640 this past Sunday that I am just overwhelmed this 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.619 past week to be called a child of God. And it's 00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:58.849 things like this. To realize that my God loves 00:23:58.849 --> 00:24:04.109 me so much that not only, yeah, he sacrificed 00:24:04.109 --> 00:24:06.450 his life for me. That's something that I will 00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:08.750 never get over, and I continue to not be over. 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.269 Right. But he also wants a relationship with 00:24:12.269 --> 00:24:15.829 me. That's what this is all about. He wants the 00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:18.970 dirty parts of me. He wants the clean parts of 00:24:18.970 --> 00:24:22.730 me. He is there for me. And I love one of the 00:24:22.730 --> 00:24:24.769 other things that really stuck with me from this. 00:24:24.930 --> 00:24:30.410 I love the imagery of being washed. And you see 00:24:30.410 --> 00:24:33.710 that elsewhere in scripture, the Lord tying all 00:24:33.710 --> 00:24:36.089 these different missions of washing together, 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:41.640 but like the theme of being washed. Yeah. Because, 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:46.519 like, I will confess, like, sometimes I feel 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:52.200 so dirty. Like, whether that's just, like, a 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.559 product of being in the world and the things 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:56.599 that I end up getting subjected to because I'm 00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:59.380 a human living in a human world, sometimes it's 00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:02.299 being around people who are just going through. 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:05.890 And I feel like that rubs off on me somehow. 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:08.930 Sometimes it's my own dang sin that puts me in 00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:13.089 the same stupid place where like, Lord, I'm dirty. 00:25:13.630 --> 00:25:19.890 I'm guilty. I'm ruined. That's the word that 00:25:19.890 --> 00:25:22.970 hangs over me when I feel like I've screwed up 00:25:22.970 --> 00:25:28.410 is ruined. And so picturing this scene where 00:25:28.410 --> 00:25:32.089 Jesus... washes the feet of the disciples. He 00:25:32.089 --> 00:25:36.369 approaches one of the nastiest parts of these 00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:41.049 people. And he takes on the role of a servant 00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:43.349 and he chooses to make them clean. We have a 00:25:43.349 --> 00:25:47.609 share in Christ. He washes us. He continues to 00:25:47.609 --> 00:25:50.650 wash us. It reminds me of the book of Revelation 00:25:50.650 --> 00:25:57.829 where like John, same John, same John, sees sees 00:25:57.829 --> 00:26:00.430 this multitude of saints and their robes are 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:01.990 white. And he's like, how did this happen? And 00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:04.690 the angel tells him, this is the host of believers 00:26:04.690 --> 00:26:07.650 who have washed their robes in the blood of the 00:26:07.650 --> 00:26:11.650 lamb and made them as white as snow. It's a beautiful 00:26:11.650 --> 00:26:15.210 image. And it's not just a literary device, but 00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:18.049 it's real lived history that we get to take part 00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:21.829 of when we submit to Christ's lordship. You know 00:26:21.829 --> 00:26:25.410 one other thing that absolutely knocked me on 00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:28.859 my butt? theologically speaking, about this passage. 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.420 Oh, what's that? So today is August 9th, or that's 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:38.640 the one that we're reading. August 10th, literally 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.960 like tomorrow's reading, as it were, is when 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:46.079 Jesus talks about Judas betraying him. You want 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:47.700 to know what that means for our reading today? 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:53.410 Jesus washed Judas's feet. Yes, he did. Like, 00:26:53.410 --> 00:26:56.150 like, like knowing full well what Judas was about 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:58.450 to do, that Judas was going to be the linchpin 00:26:58.450 --> 00:27:01.630 in the plan for Jesus to die, for Jesus to lose 00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:03.529 all of his friends, for Jesus to be publicly 00:27:03.529 --> 00:27:06.549 flogged and executed. And Judas is already at 00:27:06.549 --> 00:27:08.710 this point too, where he has made the deal. Yeah. 00:27:08.769 --> 00:27:11.710 It says it in verse two, right? Like that just 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:15.950 floored me, dude. Like, like, like he sat at 00:27:15.950 --> 00:27:18.450 the feet of the dude who he had walked with for 00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:22.420 three years. But also who he knew from before 00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:25.559 the foundation of the world would betray him. 00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:30.200 A friend. Yeah. There's a poem that I found by 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.380 an African -American pastor from Tennessee from 00:27:33.380 --> 00:27:37.279 like the 1800s. His name was George Marion McClellan. 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.160 And he actually ended up as like a principal 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.359 of a public school. But he was a pastor as well, 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.319 bivocational. And so he wrote this. And so it's 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.259 poetry. The rhyme scheme is a little different 00:27:47.259 --> 00:27:51.349 from an older day. It goes like this. Christ 00:27:51.349 --> 00:27:54.710 washed the feet of Judas, the dark and evil passions 00:27:54.710 --> 00:27:58.150 of his soul, his secret plot and sordidness complete. 00:27:59.069 --> 00:28:02.589 His hate, his purposing, Christ knew the whole. 00:28:03.329 --> 00:28:05.390 And still in love, he stooped and washed his 00:28:05.390 --> 00:28:09.509 feet. Christ washed the feet of Judas, yet all 00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:12.529 his lurking sin was bare to him. His bargain 00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:15.369 with the priest and more than this, and Olivet, 00:28:15.430 --> 00:28:17.910 the Mount of Olives, beneath the moonlight dim. 00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:20.609 aforehand knew and felt his treacherous kiss. 00:28:22.289 --> 00:28:25.549 Christ washed the feet of Judas, and so ineffable 00:28:25.549 --> 00:28:29.829 his love was meet, that pity fill his great forgiving 00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:32.769 heart, and tenderly to wash the traitor's feet, 00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:38.309 who in his Lord had basely sold his part. Christ 00:28:38.309 --> 00:28:41.329 washed the feet of Judas, and thus a girded servant 00:28:41.329 --> 00:28:45.089 self -abased, taught that no wrong this side 00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:48.150 of the gate of heaven. was ever too great to 00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:52.390 wholly be effaced. And though unasked, in spirit 00:28:52.390 --> 00:28:56.750 be forgiven. And so, if we have ever felt the 00:28:56.750 --> 00:29:00.109 wrong of trampled rights, of caste, it matters 00:29:00.109 --> 00:29:04.329 not. What e 'er the soul has felt or suffered 00:29:04.329 --> 00:29:07.670 long, O heart, this one thing should not be forgot. 00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:13.619 Christ washed the feet of Judas. As you're reading 00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:17.019 that, I had my eyes closed and just soaking in 00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:19.259 and trying to really focus on the words of this 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:21.119 poem. Because as soon as you start reading, I 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.799 was like, oh, this is going somewhere. Yeah. 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.799 And it did. And as I'm listening, I just keep 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.720 thinking that Jesus would have washed my feet. 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.940 Right. Because I think, and that's the thing, 00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:38.710 is we... As you were alluding to earlier when 00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:40.690 you were talking about yourself, we know who 00:29:40.690 --> 00:29:45.829 we are. And that is why I continue to get so 00:29:45.829 --> 00:29:51.329 overwhelmed of God's love for me. Because I would 00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:54.430 not love someone like me like he does in the 00:29:54.430 --> 00:29:58.210 way that he sacrifices and he puts in everything 00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:04.910 he does for me. Yeah. And knowing fully who Judas 00:30:04.910 --> 00:30:10.910 is. and what he was doing, it's just incredible. 00:30:10.950 --> 00:30:15.450 Once again, this beautiful picture of this is 00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:18.630 the God that I worship. Yes. This is part of 00:30:18.630 --> 00:30:21.569 the reason why I worship my God, because he is 00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:25.390 unlike anything else. He's unlike us. The line, 00:30:25.569 --> 00:30:29.910 the stanza that just hit me was that, you know, 00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:32.670 Thus a girded, self -abased servant, I'm not 00:30:32.670 --> 00:30:35.349 rhyming anymore, taught that no wrong this side 00:30:35.349 --> 00:30:38.970 of heaven was ever too great to be unforgiven. 00:30:39.230 --> 00:30:42.789 That Jesus looking at Judas still looked at him 00:30:42.789 --> 00:30:47.190 with love. Regardless of where Judas is now or 00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:50.930 what he did then. And that love extends to us. 00:30:51.609 --> 00:30:54.650 And that's a great reminder for anyone listening 00:30:54.650 --> 00:30:59.180 to this. It is so easy for us, and I know this 00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:01.420 because of the amount of people that I've had 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:05.240 this conversation with, that we hold on to things 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.400 either we've done or have been done to us. Yes. 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.119 And we think, I'm too dirty for Jesus. And even 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:13.779 though those words might not come out of your 00:31:13.779 --> 00:31:16.920 mouth, it's deep in your heart. Even if you say 00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.180 you believe the gospel, it's deep in your heart. 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.500 Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are walking 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:26.789 around and... You know, even in our churches, 00:31:26.809 --> 00:31:29.730 but they still deep down don't believe Jesus 00:31:29.730 --> 00:31:31.630 can clean them because of what has happened to 00:31:31.630 --> 00:31:34.430 them and what they've done. And it is so far 00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:38.430 from what is the actual truth. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:31:38.869 --> 00:31:42.630 You know what I love? What do you love? As we're 00:31:42.630 --> 00:31:45.430 closing this out, if we just move on to one more 00:31:45.430 --> 00:31:49.589 verse. Yeah. And verse 12, when Jesus had finished 00:31:49.589 --> 00:31:52.269 or had washed their feet, he put on his outer 00:31:52.269 --> 00:31:55.099 clothing. And he reclined again and said to them, 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.680 we'll just stop there. He reclined. I love this 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:03.700 picture of he's serving them, and then he sits 00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:06.299 down and relaxes and gets in community with them. 00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:09.819 I think that's a really cool picture of Jesus 00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:13.700 serving, once again, serving them, but then being 00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:16.500 in relationship in a way of, hey, let's talk. 00:32:16.940 --> 00:32:18.400 Let's have this conversation. Hey, you know what? 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:19.380 I just did that because that's what he's about 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:22.000 to go into. He starts talking about what he just 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.579 did and the act of humility, but he's just reclining. 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.019 Once again, I don't think I could be able to 00:32:29.019 --> 00:32:31.819 recline knowing what I was about to go through, 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.299 but he is relaxed because he knows going all 00:32:35.299 --> 00:32:38.240 the way back to verse 2, he's loving them till 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.440 the end, and he's going to love us till the end 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.319 too. And he has and he will. Amen. Amen. Good 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.960 stuff, man. Good stuff. And, you know, just one 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:49.779 last little theological point to end on. If you've 00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.140 seen the painting, they all did sit on one side 00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:55.019 of the table. Yes, there's only one way they 00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:58.059 did it in that culture, obviously, because it 00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:01.839 was recorded. I mean, he, was it Michelangelo? 00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:06.039 Yeah. Michelangelo absolutely just painted it 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.640 right there. Who lived 1 ,500 years after the 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.269 passion narrative. Oh, man. Well, hey. Jesus 00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:17.890 loves you. We love you. We're going to keep pursuing 00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:19.789 Jesus. We encourage you guys to do the same. 00:33:20.190 --> 00:33:22.529 We'll catch you guys next week. I'm Ben Smith. 00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:30.289 I'm Sean. Have a great week. Pursuing Jesus is 00:33:30.289 --> 00:33:33.289 a ministry of Memorial Baptist Church in Norwood, 00:33:33.369 --> 00:33:35.509 North Carolina. To learn more about our church, 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:39.049 please visit memorial4norwood .com.