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Over the last year, my job has taken me and my

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family out of state a few weeks a month. And

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honestly, there have been some really good parts

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of that. We've gotten to visit some sweet congregations.

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We've heard some great sermons. We've met brothers

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and sisters in Christ in different places and

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have been reminded that the family of God is

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a whole lot bigger than our little corner of

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the Ozarks we call home. And on some Sundays...

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We couldn't make it to another congregation.

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We streamed the sermon from our own local church,

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which is a gift. And I'm genuinely grateful that

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we can do that. But somewhere along the way,

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Christy and I started to realize something. None

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of this solved the problem. We still missed our

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people. We missed the conversations before church.

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We missed the conversations afterwards that started

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with something completely ordinary and somehow

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turned into somebody saying, Hey, actually, would

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you pray about something? We missed knowing what

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was happening in the lives of our brothers and

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sisters. We missed being there when somebody

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needed help. We missed being available to serve

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instead of finding out three days later through

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a text message. And the longer that we were gone,

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the more we started feeling partially amputated.

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That sounds dramatic, I know. But that really

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is what it felt like. Because we could walk into

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another faithful congregation and enjoy being

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there. There could be a sweet spirit, good preaching,

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warm people, real fellowship. But there wasn't

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yet that built closeness that comes from sharing

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life with the same people over time. They loved

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Jesus and we loved Jesus. We really were brothers

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and sisters. But they didn't know our story and

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we didn't know theirs. We didn't know who had

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been struggling all week. We didn't know who

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needed someone to stay five minutes longer. We

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didn't know the little things you only learn

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by being present. Then we started hearing the

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other side of it from home. People missed us,

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too. There were conversations that would have

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been easier if it had just been face -to -face.

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Things people wanted to talk through. Struggles

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that are just harder to share through a phone

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call. Our absence left a hole. Not because Christy

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and I are indispensable. We aren't. The church

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survived a long time before we showed up, and

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I'm pretty confident Jesus can keep this thing

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going without either one of us. But that is how

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a body works. When one part is missing, something

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is different. Streaming reminded me of that.

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A live stream can put a sermon in a hotel room.

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It can let you hear familiar voices. You may

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even see people you love on the screen. But it

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started feeling a little like door dashing fast

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food to a hotel while watching your family sit

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around the table eating a home cooked meal. You're

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eating and you're grateful for the food. You

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might even FaceTime everybody while you eat.

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But you're still not sitting at the table. And

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eventually, this landed pretty hard for me. If

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all we needed was preaching and music, streaming

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would be enough. Scripture says, though, we need

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one another. And if that is true, then the gathering

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has to be more than an event we watch. Welcome

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to Grace in the Grind, brought to you by Arrow

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and Roots Coffee Company, where faith meets the

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everyday. Here we take time to notice God's presence

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in the middle of life's busiest moments, to find

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encouragement, clarity, and a reminder of His

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grace right in the grind of daily life. So grab

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your coffee, and let's take a sip with this cup

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together. In our last cup, we talked about the

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church as a body rather than simply a crowd.

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Christ has joined us to himself, and he has joined

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us to one another. So today, I want to follow

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that truth straight into the gathering. Why do

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we gather? What is supposed to happen when we

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do? And maybe more personally, what is my responsibility

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when I walk through the door? Because it's very

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easy to think of church as an event. There are

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people who prepare, people who preach, people

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who sing, people who handle sound, slides, child

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care, coffee, security, and everything else that

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has to happen before most of us even pull into

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the parking lot. Then the rest of us arrive,

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sit down, receive, and eventually decide how

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it went. But when the New Testament talks about

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the church coming together, that isn't the picture

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it gives us. The primary passage I want us sitting

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in today is 1 Corinthians 14, because Paul repeatedly

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talks about what happens when you come together.

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And his controlling concern is not what is impressive,

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What is polished? Did everybody enjoy it? His

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concern is, was the body built up? In 1 Corinthians

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14 .26, Paul says, When you come together, each

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one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue,

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or an interpretation. Let all things be done

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for building up. Corinth had plenty of problems,

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and lack of participation was apparently not

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one of them. Nobody seems to have been sitting

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in the back thinking, I just don't know whether

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there is anywhere for me to contribute. They

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had participation. What they desperately needed

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was order. And pay attention to how Paul corrects

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them. He doesn't say, this participation thing

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was clearly a mistake. Everybody sit down and

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let one person handle the whole gathering. He

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gives boundaries. He demands clarity. He insists

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that what happens must serve others. And by the

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end of the chapter, he says everything should

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be done properly and in an orderly manner. But

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through the whole discussion, one principle keeps

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governing everything. Build up the church. That's

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the goal. not maximize spontaneity not maximize

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production not everybody getting a microphone

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not making sure only one or two people ever have

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one edification the strengthening of christ's

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people so a better question for evaluating the

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gathering is not simply did i enjoy it but did

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what happened help the church become more faithful

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to jesus was the word clear Were believers encouraged?

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Was truth spoken? Were weary people strengthened?

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Was Christ exalted? Were we better equipped to

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love God and love one another? That is a very

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different scorecard. Now, before somebody hears

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this and decides I'm proposing a two -hour open

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mic service next Sunday, I'm not. Please don't

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tell your pastor I sent you with a wireless microphone

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and a dream. Biblical participation does not

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mean everybody gets stage time. Visibility and

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participation are not the same thing. Sometimes

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participation is simply noticing that somebody

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seems unusually quiet and asking, Hey, are you

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really okay? Different members function differently.

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That's the whole point of a body. But there's

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a problem when most of the body begins to understand

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its role primarily as sitting and watching a

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few visible parts function. The issue isn't whether

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everybody is on the platform. The issue is whether

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we have quietly turned the congregation into

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spectators. Hebrews 10 gives us another window

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into this. Let us consider how to stir up one

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another to love and good works. not neglecting

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to meet together, but to encourage one another.

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Hebrews 10, 24 and 25. We often pull out that

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verse when somebody's been missing church for

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a while. And yes, gathering matters. But look

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at the reason the writer gives. Consider one

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another. Stir up one another. Encourage one another.

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That means the question before you walk through

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the doors isn't only, What am I going to get

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today? It's also, who might need me to be present

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today? Sometimes that means noticing the person

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sitting alone. Sometimes it means praying with

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someone. Sometimes it means talking with an exhausted

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parent. And sometimes it means asking the second

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question. Because Christians have mastered this

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little Sunday exchange. How are you? Good? You?

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Good! Smile, smile, all good. And we both walk

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away having successfully exchanged absolutely

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nothing. Real encouragement sometimes requires

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being present long enough to hear the real answer.

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That is one of the things being away exposed

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for me. I could listen to a sermon remotely,

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but I couldn't glance across the room and think,

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something seems a little off with him today.

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I couldn't stay afterwards for the conversation

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nobody scheduled. And the people back home couldn't

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do that as easily with me either. There are things

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we will tell somebody standing beside us that

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we will never create a calendar appointment to

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discuss. There are burdens that come out because

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somebody asked at the right moment. There are

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needs you see because you were simply close enough

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to notice. Presence creates opportunities that

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efficiency never will. That is part of why the

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gathering matters. Not because God lives inside

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the church building. Not because missing one

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Sunday means you've abandoned Jesus or that you're

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going to have to make it up in heaven later.

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And definitely not because church attendance

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earns some spiritual points. It matters because

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embodied people ministered to embodied people.

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Some things require being close enough to notice.

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And I think there is a harder question we need

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to ask. If I can be away from my local church

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for weeks and nothing really feels missing, what

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does that tell me? Again, I'm not talking about

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guilt because you missed a Sunday. People get

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sick, families travel, work schedules occasionally

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can pull us away. There are seasons when circumstances

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genuinely keep us away. This isn't an attendance

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scoreboard. I'm asking whether absence actually

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costs us anything relationally. If I can disappear

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for weeks and there are no conversations I miss,

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no people I wish I could check on, no burdens

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I would normally help carry, no brothers or sisters

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whose presence I genuinely long for. and nobody

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seems to feel much of a difference because I'm

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gone, then we shouldn't just shrug our shoulders

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and say, well, I watched the sermon. Something's

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wrong. Not necessarily something malicious. Not

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necessarily something anybody intentionally created.

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But something about our experience of the church

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has become too thin. Because when you belong

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to a people, Separation should feel like separation.

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If gathering with the body is completely interchangeable

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with watching content from the couch, that should

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be a warning light. Maybe we have learned how

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to attend a service without actually sharing

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life. Maybe we have been around the body without

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becoming meaningfully connected to it. And hear

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me, the answer isn't shame. The answer is recognizing

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what is missing and moving toward the kind of

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shared life Scripture actually describes. Paul

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gives us another picture in Colossians 3 .16.

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Let the word of Christ dwell richly among you,

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teaching and admonishing one another through

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psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. We sing to

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God. Absolutely. Worship belongs to Him. But

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Paul says something is happening between us as

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we sing. We are teaching and admonishing one

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another. Think about that. The person next to

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you is not merely background noise while you

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have your private worship experience. Their voice

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is part of what's happening in the room. When

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someone who has walked through deep grief sings

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about God's faithfulness, you hear those words

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differently. When someone who has prayed for

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years without seeing the answer still sings,

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Great is thy faithfulness, that means something.

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When your own heart is dry and you hear other

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believers confessing truth you are struggling

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to feel, the body carries you for a moment. Sometimes

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you need to hear somebody else's belief. And

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sometimes they need to hear you. Not because

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your voice is impressive. Some of us are providing

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theological encouragement and musical humility

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in the exact same moment. And that's okay. The

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goal is not a room full of performers. It is

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a people confessing truth together. And I want

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to be careful here. The point of this episode

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is not preaching is overrated. Absolutely not.

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Paul tells Timothy to preach the word. The church

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needs qualified teachers to handle scripture

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carefully and faithfully. A congregation will

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not become healthier simply because everybody

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gets to share their thoughts. The internet has

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pretty thoroughly tested that theory for us.

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Not everybody's opinion needs to be shouted out.

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Preaching matters. But preaching serves the gathered

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church. It isn't the entirety of the gathering.

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The same is true of the music, of prayer, communion.

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Each part serves Christ's people as we gather

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under his lordship. And that's why streaming

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exposed something for us. If my definition of

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church is mostly hear preaching, sing songs,

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receive information, then a screen can reproduce

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a surprising amount of that. Maybe even more

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conveniently. You can pause the sermon, turn

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up the volume, skip the announcements, drink

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coffee and sweatpants, but scripture gives us

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a category a screen cannot reproduce. One another.

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You see that in Acts 2, after Pentecost, Luke

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describes believers devoting themselves to the

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apostles' teaching. Fellowship, breaking bread,

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and prayer. And if you keep reading, this wasn't

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simply a weekly event they attended. It was shared

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life. They ate together, prayed together, cared

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for needs, worshipped together. The gathering

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mattered enormously, but it existed inside a

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life they were already sharing. Sometimes we

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ask Sunday mornings to manufacture an entire

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shared life by itself. deep community, discipleship,

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biblical literacy, pastoral care, friendship,

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accountability, worship, evangelism, and preferably

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all before lunch. But the gathering cannot replace

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shared life. It strengthens it. It expresses

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it. It gives that shared life a regular rhythm

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around Christ. And this is where the culture

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works against us. We review everything. Restaurants,

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hotels, movies, coffee makers, podcasts. Apparently

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even windshield wipers need our detailed opinion.

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So we become very skilled consumers. Then Sunday

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comes. The sermon was a little long. The music

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wasn't really my style. They played... Too many

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new songs. They played too many old songs. The

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room was cold. The announcements took forever.

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Some of those observations might even be fair.

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Churches should care about clarity. Leaders should

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prepare. Teaching should be faithful. Music should

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serve the congregation well. But there is a difference

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between discernment and consumption. Discernment

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asks, was this faithful? Did this honor Christ?

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Was the church built up? Consumerism asks, did

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this suit me? And when most of the room starts

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understanding its role primarily as watching

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and evaluating what happens up front, something

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about the New Testament picture of the gathered

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body has grown thin. Not necessarily because

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anybody planned it that way. Sometimes, we simply

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drift there. And I want to slow down here because

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it would be easy to hear this as an attack on

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the modern church service. It really isn't. Stages

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aren't sinful. Microphones aren't sinful either.

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Screens aren't sinful, nor is live stream. A

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carefully planned service isn't automatically

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a performance. And worship team rehearsing so

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they can serve the congregation well is not evidence

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that somebody has sold out to the entertainment

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industry. Most pastors aren't sitting in an office

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plotting how to turn Christians into passive

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spectators, and most Christians aren't driving

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to church thinking, I would really like to consume

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some religious goods and services today. Usually,

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it's more subtle than that. A structure works,

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so we keep using it. Roles settle in. Habits

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develop. expectations form, and eventually something

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that began as a useful structure starts quietly

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shaping the way we think. That is why the whole

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season matters. Not because everything familiar

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is wrong, but because everything familiar still

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has to come underneath scripture. Maybe leaders

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need to create more room for the body to function.

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Maybe members need to stop waiting for leaders

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to manufacture. community for us. Maybe both

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are true. Probably all of us have something to

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examine. Grace lets us tell the truth without

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needing someone to blame. Being away taught Christy

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and me something else. At first, we mostly noticed

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how much we missed the body. Then we began realizing

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that our absence affected other people too. Because

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every member brings something. Your prayers,

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your relationships, your attention, encouragement,

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ability to notice, willingness to serve, and

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when you're absent, those things are absent too.

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That doesn't make everyone's absence sinful.

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Life happens. There is grace for limits. But

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there is a difference between sometimes being

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unable to gather and believing physical presence

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is basically unnecessary because the sermon is

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available online. Those aren't the same things.

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Streaming can be a wonderful tool when circumstances

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keep you away. But it makes a poor substitute

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for a body. Because the church was never designed

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to merely deliver Christian content. Christ placed

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us among people. So this week, I want to give

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you one simple practice. Before you walk through

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the doors of your church, maybe while you're

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sitting in the parking lot, change the question.

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Instead of asking, what am I going to get out

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of church today? Ask, Lord, who can I strengthen

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today? And then ask the other side, what do I

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need to humbly receive from your people today?

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Both matter. Give and receive. Encourage and

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be encouraged. Notice and allow yourself to be

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noticed. Carry a burden. Let someone else help

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carry yours. Sing truth. Receive truth. Listen

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to the word so you can obey it. Stay five minutes

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longer when the conversation matters more than

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beating the lunch crowd. You don't have to turn

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Sunday mornings into spiritual scavenger hunts

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where you nervously scan the room trying to locate

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your ministry assignment. Just be present. Actually

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present. Available to God. Available to his people.

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and see what happens. Now, all of this leaves

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a pretty obvious question hanging in the room.

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If the gathering isn't a show, what do we do

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with excellence? Should musicians even rehearse?

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Absolutely. Should pastors work hard preparing

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sermons? I certainly hope so. Should churches

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care about sound? Organization? Lighting? Removing

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unnecessary distractions? Of course. So where's

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the line? When is excellence an act of love and

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careful stewardship? And when does excellence

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begin training us to expect entertainment? When

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does the music serve congregational worship?

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And when does the congregation quietly become

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an audience watching worship happen? When does

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technology help the body? And when does it begin

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shaping the body into consumers? Those questions

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aren't solved by saying old is biblical, new

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is entertainment, simple is spiritual, polished

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is worldly. None of those are good enough. So

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I don't want to rush through it. In the extra

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shot, we're going to directly talk about entertainment,

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excellence, and worship. Because the answer to

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performance isn't sloppiness. is recovering what

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the gathering is actually for. And once we know

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the purpose, we can start asking whether our

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tools are serving it. Being away from our local

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body taught Christy and me something I probably

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should have understood more deeply before. We

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could find good preaching elsewhere. We could

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worship with faithful believers elsewhere. We

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could stream our own pastor from a hotel room.

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And all of those things were great. But we still

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missed our people. And they missed us. And I've

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come to believe that ache was actually healthy.

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Because when you belong to a people, separation

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should feel like separation. So maybe this is

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the question to sit with. When you miss the gathering,

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do you actually miss the church? Not the sermon.

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Not just the songs. Not just your normal Sunday

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routine. Do you miss the people? Do you miss

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knowing what's going on in their lives? Do you

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miss being available to help? Do you miss receiving

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what God gives you through them? And would somebody

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notice that something is missing because you

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aren't there? If the honest answer is no, don't

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hear this as condemnation. But don't ignore it

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either. Because if nothing feels missing when

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we're absent from the body, we may need to ask,

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whether we have really learned to belong to one.

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Christ didn't just give his church preaching.

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He didn't just give us songs. He gave us one

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another. And that means there are conversations

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that only happen because you showed up. There

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are burdens you can only see because you were

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close enough to notice. There is encouragement

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someone may only receive because you were willing

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to give it. And there may be grace God intends

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for you to receive through someone sitting three

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rows away. If all we needed was preaching and

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music, streaming would be enough. Scripture says

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we need one another. So gather, not merely to

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watch, not merely to receive content, not merely

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to evaluate. Come ready to worship Christ. Come

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ready to receive from his people. Come ready

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to give what he has placed you in. Because when

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we really belong to one another, absence leaves

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a hole. If Grace in the Grind is helping you

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think more carefully about Christ and his church,

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with. When does excellence serve worship, and

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when does it quietly become entertainment? Until

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next time, keep the coffee strong and your faith

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