WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.820 Hello, and welcome to another episode of blooming curious. 00:00:03.300 --> 00:00:05.310 I'm going to start off by telling you a warning. 00:00:05.310 --> 00:00:09.300 You rather that my voice might not be so great today as I am 00:00:09.950 --> 00:00:14.930 really in a, quite a battle at the moment with family stuff going on. 00:00:15.410 --> 00:00:17.750 So if this is your first time here and you think, oh my 00:00:17.780 --> 00:00:19.369 gosh, this woman is so boring. 00:00:19.430 --> 00:00:23.420 I'm not usually, it's just some stuff that I'm battling with so you might want 00:00:23.420 --> 00:00:26.570 to go and listen to other episodes too after this one, just so that you can see 00:00:26.570 --> 00:00:29.420 what I'm like when I'm actually fabulous. 00:00:30.230 --> 00:00:33.440 So today, are we going to start with your new school year. 00:00:33.500 --> 00:00:36.770 Many of you are going to move into a new academic year or, you know 00:00:36.770 --> 00:00:38.750 what even tomorrow is a new day. 00:00:39.110 --> 00:00:42.860 Every day brings a new set of opportunities and a new challenge. 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.820 And of course the starting of a new year brings all sorts of new 00:00:46.820 --> 00:00:48.350 opportunities and challenges. 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:53.360 I have been talking in the last two episodes about how we start 00:00:53.780 --> 00:00:57.890 planning our classrooms, how we set them up, how we get organized. 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:02.029 So this is your first time setting up a classroom, those two episodes 00:01:02.029 --> 00:01:05.419 might be really, really helpful for you to have a listen to once 00:01:05.419 --> 00:01:06.440 you've listened to this one. 00:01:07.380 --> 00:01:10.740 But really when we start with our children, with our students, I think 00:01:10.740 --> 00:01:15.360 the first and most important thing to think about is getting to know them. 00:01:15.450 --> 00:01:17.940 Is our relationships with these kids that we're going to be 00:01:17.940 --> 00:01:19.410 teaching for the next year. 00:01:20.430 --> 00:01:23.610 So to get to know them, we obviously need to know what's happening in their 00:01:23.610 --> 00:01:27.630 lives, their families, what they're coming to school with, their schema, 00:01:27.660 --> 00:01:29.490 and of course, what their interests are. 00:01:29.970 --> 00:01:34.200 Because if we are inquiry teachers and we're teachers who really are 00:01:34.230 --> 00:01:38.790 interested in getting kids to think, getting kids to be curious, getting kids 00:01:38.790 --> 00:01:43.680 to question, getting kids to problem solve, then we need to know their 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:49.440 interests so that we can tap into that, to get them excited about learning. 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.340 So that's the first part is get to know your students. 00:01:53.340 --> 00:01:54.720 I can't stress that enough. 00:01:55.170 --> 00:01:58.830 And you know, that there is data and I, I can't remember the exact 00:01:58.860 --> 00:02:04.369 percentage of what it was, at a recent conference where I was Trevor 00:02:04.369 --> 00:02:06.230 MacKenzie actually spoke about this. 00:02:06.770 --> 00:02:11.190 That did you know that when you welcome kids at the door, when you're 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:14.870 standing at the door in the morning to welcome them to your classroom, 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:20.450 they are more likely to perform better in your classroom and work better, 00:02:20.829 --> 00:02:24.829 than if you do not stand at your classroom door and welcome them. 00:02:25.370 --> 00:02:26.330 I would say then, 00:02:26.870 --> 00:02:31.130 If you are struggling, if you already started and you're struggling to connect 00:02:31.130 --> 00:02:36.050 with your kids, maybe get up from your desk or even better, don't have a desk. 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.140 A lot of teachers now don't have desks in their classroom because 00:02:39.140 --> 00:02:43.160 they find it actually makes them sharper and better at their job. 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.600 So don't have a desk or don't be sitting at your desk, stand at the 00:02:47.600 --> 00:02:51.740 door in the morning and welcome each child individually into your classroom. 00:02:52.130 --> 00:02:55.100 And then of course, you also want to start off in the morning with 00:02:55.100 --> 00:02:57.140 a mat session or morning circle. 00:02:57.500 --> 00:03:00.140 Find out what's happening, have something to chat about. 00:03:00.470 --> 00:03:03.920 Because these are the things that build that relationship with your kids. 00:03:03.950 --> 00:03:05.990 You get to know them, they get to know you. 00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:08.450 And it goes a heck of a long way. 00:03:08.450 --> 00:03:11.180 And then for me, It's curiosity, right. 00:03:12.290 --> 00:03:17.210 Kids, unless they are curious unless they love learning, we've got a battle 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:21.060 on our hands and if we want children to come to school with a smile on 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:24.710 their dial and they are happy and enthusiastic about coming into our 00:03:24.710 --> 00:03:27.290 classrooms half our battle is won. 00:03:27.710 --> 00:03:31.730 But if you've got children who stand at that door and do not want to step 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:35.450 over that threshold that on bawling their eyes out in the mornings. 00:03:36.050 --> 00:03:38.060 Or kids that are just not interested. 00:03:38.270 --> 00:03:40.160 They're not enthusiastic about learning. 00:03:40.730 --> 00:03:42.260 We have to get through to them. 00:03:42.530 --> 00:03:45.260 We have to find a way to get them curious. 00:03:45.260 --> 00:03:47.750 We've got to find a way to switch them on. 00:03:48.200 --> 00:03:50.810 Because once they are curious and they love learning. 00:03:51.650 --> 00:03:52.340 We're done. 00:03:53.150 --> 00:03:55.830 Then the real learning can actually start. 00:03:56.700 --> 00:03:59.520 And I have actually created a really great little resource. 00:03:59.610 --> 00:04:00.270 I think. 00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:04.200 And I think many people think so too, because it's been downloaded off 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:08.190 my website, many, many, many, many times it's called how to encourage 00:04:08.250 --> 00:04:09.960 natural curiosity in children. 00:04:10.290 --> 00:04:17.610 And it's just a simple e guide that shows you that it's not hard to 00:04:17.610 --> 00:04:19.409 encourage curiosity in children. 00:04:20.159 --> 00:04:23.070 It's actually something really easy and very natural. 00:04:23.310 --> 00:04:26.940 It just means that we ourselves have to be curious too. 00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:31.560 And we've got to be thinking on our feet in terms of when a kid comes 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.800 to you and they are going to come to you, when they're on the playground 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:38.670 or you're out for a walk, they're going to come to you with a dandelion, 00:04:38.850 --> 00:04:40.980 with an earthworm, with a snail. 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:43.620 What do you do at that moment? 00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:48.450 Because your words and your facial expressions at that moment are 00:04:48.450 --> 00:04:49.770 going to make all the difference. 00:04:49.980 --> 00:04:53.220 If you say yuck, throw that down, it's disgusting. 00:04:53.760 --> 00:04:54.210 That's it! 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:54.720 Done! 00:04:54.750 --> 00:04:55.470 You've lost. 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:56.970 You've lost these kids. 00:04:57.080 --> 00:05:00.330 That's it, you've done nothing to encourage curiosity. 00:05:01.050 --> 00:05:06.840 So really your mindset has to change, your language has to change. 00:05:07.170 --> 00:05:13.020 You've got to really be curious yourself and you really need to ask questions. 00:05:13.409 --> 00:05:17.280 Questions are the basis, asking questions rather is the basis of 00:05:17.280 --> 00:05:21.870 curiosity it's the basis of inquiry, it's the basis of getting kids to think. 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:28.060 And so I do have a PDF, simple PDF with some simple questions, you know, there're 00:05:28.080 --> 00:05:31.950 loads of questions online that you can find, pages and pages and pages and 00:05:31.950 --> 00:05:34.560 pages of all sorts of fabulous questions. 00:05:35.010 --> 00:05:39.060 These are just simple little questions to keep in mind when you're dealing 00:05:39.060 --> 00:05:41.010 with kids on an everyday basis. 00:05:41.640 --> 00:05:44.070 Things that you can remember just easy stuff. 00:05:44.280 --> 00:05:48.990 So you might want to go to the website and download that list of questions, I'll 00:05:48.990 --> 00:05:50.760 put a link in the show notes for you. 00:05:51.640 --> 00:05:55.660 Now we also know that there's all this data right with about kids losing their 00:05:55.660 --> 00:05:57.520 curiosity as they go through school. 00:05:57.820 --> 00:05:59.590 And isn't that just the saddest thing. 00:05:59.990 --> 00:06:04.599 They come to us very early on because we all are born innately 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:08.550 curious, and as they go through school, their curiosity dwindles. 00:06:08.880 --> 00:06:13.020 So I think it's up to us, especially in early childhood to keep that flame 00:06:13.020 --> 00:06:15.630 of curiosity burning really brightly. 00:06:15.630 --> 00:06:21.500 So I've got loads of blog posts on that and I'll put links to all of 00:06:21.500 --> 00:06:25.310 that in the show notes for you to go and have a look and go rummage around 00:06:25.580 --> 00:06:31.190 and really just read and interact with these things so that you can just start 00:06:31.220 --> 00:06:36.950 thinking about perhaps how you could better ignite curiosity in children if 00:06:36.950 --> 00:06:38.270 that's something that you need to do, 00:06:38.270 --> 00:06:41.240 cause we're always going to have those kids in our class that come there, 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.640 and sit there with those blank stares. 00:06:44.150 --> 00:06:47.480 We need to spark curiosity in those kids. 00:06:47.810 --> 00:06:49.910 We need to put a fire under them. 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.040 So I've got loads of strategies and posts for you on the website 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:56.150 that will help you with that. 00:06:56.370 --> 00:07:05.190 Now when children come to us right with that slug or bug or snail on their hands. 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:05.850 What do you do? 00:07:06.450 --> 00:07:09.720 You're going to ask questions, as I've just said, I've got some questions for 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.950 you to download, but I've also got on the website, a nice little handy free 00:07:13.950 --> 00:07:19.120 resource called backyard inquiry, and what that does is it just lays out for 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:24.400 you, if you want to just do a quick inquiry project on the go, you've now 00:07:24.400 --> 00:07:28.210 seen your kids are interested in, and this could be something really handy for 00:07:28.210 --> 00:07:34.070 you to spark that curiosity, and take that child's interests further, into a 00:07:34.070 --> 00:07:38.840 project that could actually lead into a whole class project, but certainly it's 00:07:38.840 --> 00:07:43.820 something that you could use just to do some incidental learning with children. 00:07:43.880 --> 00:07:47.930 So I'll link that in the show notes for you as well, Now another great, 00:07:47.930 --> 00:07:53.240 very popular resource on my website is a little resource that accompanies 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.160 the little story book I went walking. 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:57.500 And the story is about. 00:07:57.590 --> 00:08:00.530 Uh, child who goes walking and sees all these different things, and there's 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.900 a lot of repetition of sight words. 00:08:03.260 --> 00:08:07.640 But one of the things that I've done and that I recommend is especially now in the 00:08:07.640 --> 00:08:12.200 beginning, when you're starting, is take children on a walk, if you're able to 00:08:12.200 --> 00:08:18.650 access a natural space near you, a park or river bank, or any of those things. 00:08:19.580 --> 00:08:20.360 Fabulous. 00:08:20.570 --> 00:08:23.720 If not just go on a walk around the school. 00:08:24.320 --> 00:08:29.070 You can either take an iPad or camera take photos of everything the kids see 00:08:29.100 --> 00:08:34.020 the kids name, or you can pick up objects and bring them back to the classroom. 00:08:34.530 --> 00:08:37.380 And when they're back in the classroom, you can either print off all these 00:08:37.410 --> 00:08:39.570 photos or put them on your white board. 00:08:39.810 --> 00:08:42.540 Or if they're objects, you can have all the objects displayed. 00:08:42.930 --> 00:08:46.680 Objects and photographs, actually all fabulous resources, especially 00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:47.910 if you print the photos off. 00:08:48.210 --> 00:08:50.490 'cause then there's loads of other activities that can 00:08:50.490 --> 00:08:52.080 follow on from just this one 00:08:52.350 --> 00:08:53.940 I went walking activity. 00:08:54.540 --> 00:08:57.900 So I'll leave a link to the, I went walking activity resource 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.520 in the show notes for you. 00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:07.270 Then we come to integrating what I think is the ultimate strategy, the ultimate 00:09:07.270 --> 00:09:12.670 strategy, and I've spoken so much about it on the on the podcast, is inquiry. 00:09:13.090 --> 00:09:17.319 So many educators I come across are afraid of inquiry because 00:09:17.319 --> 00:09:19.000 they think it's going to replace 00:09:19.850 --> 00:09:22.100 direct instruction or explicit instruction. 00:09:22.100 --> 00:09:23.630 And this is not the case at all. 00:09:24.110 --> 00:09:26.000 Inquiry dovetails with it. 00:09:26.300 --> 00:09:31.220 Inquiry is not something you do twice a week or on a Friday afternoon. 00:09:31.670 --> 00:09:36.410 Inquiry is a mindset it's ingrained in you, it's ingrained in your students. 00:09:36.439 --> 00:09:37.939 It's a way of thinking. 00:09:37.970 --> 00:09:40.220 It's a lens through which you teach. 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:47.120 And on my website, I have loads and loads of blog posts that talk about inquiry, 00:09:47.150 --> 00:09:53.480 how you get started and other interesting articles on curiosity and inquiry. 00:09:53.750 --> 00:09:57.620 Which I think are all great resources for you to go and have a look as 00:09:57.620 --> 00:10:00.200 you start your new school year. 00:10:00.590 --> 00:10:03.260 And that might just be the perfect opportunity for you 00:10:03.470 --> 00:10:06.290 to start thinking about doing things a little bit differently. 00:10:06.950 --> 00:10:07.460 Remember. 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:13.340 Inquiry is not your run of the mill chalk and talk strategy. 00:10:14.300 --> 00:10:16.280 Children have moved past that. 00:10:16.970 --> 00:10:22.520 We are now dealing with children who are digital natives. 00:10:22.880 --> 00:10:24.020 These kids are on 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:30.569 iPads and phones and they know how to navigate their way on a computer. 00:10:30.870 --> 00:10:32.189 We're up against that. 00:10:32.400 --> 00:10:36.360 We cannot just be standing there in front of a classroom anymore, just 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.520 talking or just sticking on a video. 00:10:38.819 --> 00:10:43.650 And by the way, I also have a podcast and a blog post talking 00:10:43.650 --> 00:10:47.969 about what research has found about children's brains and how they learn 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:51.120 when we throw up a video on the screen, as opposed to 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.130 actually reading a book to them. 00:10:53.490 --> 00:10:55.949 So that's something else that you might want to consider 00:10:55.949 --> 00:10:57.629 as you go into the new year. 00:10:58.499 --> 00:10:59.219 Is perhaps. 00:10:59.640 --> 00:11:06.150 Not just using technology willy-nilly, but really being very, very intentional 00:11:06.180 --> 00:11:07.770 about your use of technology. 00:11:08.129 --> 00:11:12.169 Because there's a lot coming out that it's not actually 00:11:12.169 --> 00:11:13.639 as great as everybody thinks. 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:17.359 It has quite a detrimental effect on a growing brain. 00:11:17.629 --> 00:11:19.699 I'm not talking about older kids. 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.509 We're talking here about children's whose brains are still developing. 00:11:23.689 --> 00:11:25.669 It's not a great option. 00:11:25.999 --> 00:11:29.659 So go and listen to some of the previous podcasts. 00:11:30.499 --> 00:11:34.879 I'll put a link in the show notes and also go and have a read to some 00:11:34.909 --> 00:11:39.310 of the posts that I've put up, which shows you the evidence so that you 00:11:39.310 --> 00:11:44.529 can really make some intentional considerations before using technology. 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:47.229 So inquiry. 00:11:47.769 --> 00:11:49.449 Why do we do inquiry? 00:11:50.469 --> 00:11:53.979 Well, we do inquiry or it's, I'm just actually made a mistake there. 00:11:53.979 --> 00:11:55.300 When I've said we do inquiry. 00:11:55.329 --> 00:11:56.619 We don't do inquiry. 00:11:56.709 --> 00:11:59.289 Inquiry is part of us, as I've just said. 00:11:59.949 --> 00:12:06.499 But inquiry is the strategy that gets kids thinking it's the strategy to teach 00:12:06.529 --> 00:12:11.239 kids how to use their brains, how to think it's the strategy for metacognition. 00:12:11.269 --> 00:12:15.499 In other words, teaching us all how we think, how we learn best. 00:12:16.189 --> 00:12:21.699 And no matter what the naysayers say if we are to teach the whole child 00:12:22.429 --> 00:12:24.289 inquiry has to be part of that. 00:12:24.739 --> 00:12:29.329 And I have had another episode where I've spoken intensely about John Hattie's 00:12:29.329 --> 00:12:32.029 research and where inquiry fits there. 00:12:33.199 --> 00:12:34.849 So I'll put a link to that as well. 00:12:35.989 --> 00:12:39.899 And when you really think about it, Inquiry is really the only 00:12:39.899 --> 00:12:45.029 way to go nowadays because we are going into a new world. 00:12:45.269 --> 00:12:50.039 It's a new age, where information is freely available to all of us. 00:12:50.579 --> 00:12:54.149 We have to teach kids how to use that information. 00:12:54.509 --> 00:12:55.889 How to be strategic. 00:12:56.599 --> 00:12:57.979 How to look for bias. 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.349 Where do they go look for answers to their questions. 00:13:01.560 --> 00:13:04.499 What kind of questions get you the best answers. 00:13:05.189 --> 00:13:07.140 We need to teach them these skills. 00:13:07.890 --> 00:13:11.729 And so inquiry is the strategy that does that for them. 00:13:12.239 --> 00:13:13.650 And so I would 00:13:14.150 --> 00:13:17.449 ask you to go and have a look at the blog posts and the other 00:13:17.449 --> 00:13:20.270 podcast episodes I have on inquiry. 00:13:20.719 --> 00:13:23.030 And then of course comes the big question. 00:13:23.719 --> 00:13:25.160 You don't know how to get started? 00:13:25.609 --> 00:13:29.959 Neither did I. Inquiry is just a strategy that we employ. 00:13:30.499 --> 00:13:32.569 And it's messy at the beginning. 00:13:32.930 --> 00:13:37.099 And of course the big fear for teachers is that you don't have control. 00:13:37.609 --> 00:13:39.920 And sometimes that's true. 00:13:40.189 --> 00:13:44.629 You have to relinquish a little bit of control, and give it back to the children 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:47.030 and that's what gets them excited too. 00:13:47.390 --> 00:13:49.759 This does not mean it's a free for all. 00:13:49.969 --> 00:13:53.599 This does not mean kids are just all Willy nilly, doing whatever they want. 00:13:53.959 --> 00:13:59.209 It is a strategic step by step process that you specifically 00:13:59.329 --> 00:14:02.869 and explicitly teach children. 00:14:03.379 --> 00:14:09.650 And I have a broken down those steps of how to get into inquiry, and 00:14:09.650 --> 00:14:15.020 how to specifically teach kids the process of inquiry, in a very handy, 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:20.329 little easy guide that I've put together called inquiry 1 0 1, which 00:14:20.390 --> 00:14:22.520 obviously is exactly what it says. 00:14:22.969 --> 00:14:27.859 It's for those of you who want to just get started. 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:29.449 Dip your toes in. 00:14:29.810 --> 00:14:34.069 And I would urge you, you know, if you listened to some of my episodes 00:14:34.489 --> 00:14:38.800 where I have guest speakers that are also inquiry based teachers 00:14:39.189 --> 00:14:43.959 you will hear the excitement and the passion in their voices. 00:14:44.650 --> 00:14:51.099 If you want to really inject, not just enthusiasm for learning in your 00:14:51.099 --> 00:14:55.930 students, but also in yourselves and in your approach to your job, 00:14:56.709 --> 00:14:59.650 Because teaching is damn hard. 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:01.719 Let's not even fool ourselves. 00:15:01.810 --> 00:15:03.550 Teaching is a tough job. 00:15:03.880 --> 00:15:08.220 You have lots of balls to juggle in the air and it's 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:10.470 becoming more and more difficult. 00:15:11.730 --> 00:15:16.800 So make your job a little bit easier by injecting some fun into it and the 00:15:16.800 --> 00:15:19.470 way you do that is through inquiry. 00:15:20.340 --> 00:15:22.800 I promise you have a go. 00:15:22.949 --> 00:15:26.069 It is, will be the base thing you ever do. 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:27.900 Get away from the worksheets. 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:29.819 Get away from talk and chalk. 00:15:30.329 --> 00:15:36.300 And start enjoying your job and start getting kids interested in 00:15:36.300 --> 00:15:41.350 learning so that they can become curious adults who love learning 00:15:41.350 --> 00:15:43.449 and can become lifelong learners. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:51.129 So I will put a link to inquiry 1 0 1 in the show notes along with the blog 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:55.779 posts for inquiry 1 0 1, and I'd urge you to go and have a look at those. 00:15:56.319 --> 00:16:04.569 And I'll also put links to the books that I have used to death in my own classroom 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.739 that I use to teach myself how to 00:16:09.329 --> 00:16:13.409 implement inquiry as a strategy in my own classroom. 00:16:13.769 --> 00:16:16.679 I urge you to rethink the way you do things. 00:16:17.009 --> 00:16:19.289 We need to change education. 00:16:19.289 --> 00:16:25.379 We all know that, but we can only change education if we are all brave 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:27.959 enough to do things differently. 00:16:28.649 --> 00:16:29.969 You know, Einstein said. 00:16:30.719 --> 00:16:33.689 Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and 00:16:33.689 --> 00:16:35.219 expecting a different result. 00:16:35.609 --> 00:16:37.319 Well, that's exactly right. 00:16:37.589 --> 00:16:42.149 We cannot be doing the same things over and over and expecting kids suddenly 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:43.979 to love learning and become excited. 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:49.529 We have to do things differently and now is the time don't wait for tomorrow. 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:50.429 Next year. 00:16:50.549 --> 00:16:51.269 Next week. 00:16:51.449 --> 00:16:52.799 Get started now. 00:16:53.669 --> 00:16:57.310 And so with that, I will love and leave you for today, and 00:16:57.339 --> 00:16:58.989 I thank you for being here. 00:16:59.020 --> 00:17:00.969 I thank you for listening to blooming curious. 00:17:01.329 --> 00:17:02.889 It means so much to me. 00:17:03.489 --> 00:17:09.069 And I'd love you to leave a review if anything, I ever say resonates with you or 00:17:09.069 --> 00:17:11.349 you like the kind of stuff I talk about. 00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:13.479 Please leave a review. 00:17:13.629 --> 00:17:17.409 But for today, there's one thing I would really, really urge you to do. 00:17:17.409 --> 00:17:21.699 And that is to click the share button and share this podcast episode or 00:17:21.699 --> 00:17:25.749 any other episode you listen to with two friends or colleagues that you 00:17:25.749 --> 00:17:28.209 think will appreciate getting curious. 00:17:28.689 --> 00:17:32.739 And so I urge you to look at all the links that I'll place in the 00:17:32.739 --> 00:17:36.310 show notes, follow them and have a good read and a good listen. 00:17:36.729 --> 00:17:40.070 And I will see you again next week. 00:17:40.280 --> 00:17:43.280 And until then stay blooming curious.