Yo, what is up you guys welcome to brand new
the Brandon podcast I'm Brandon Bennett, and
I'm Brandon Jones and welcome to the podcast
We've got some exciting stuff going on here in
the podcast studio It feels more like a studio
now, don't you think it does we got some munitions
that come in actually that's not the right word
Well, it feels it it feels like we're armed.
It does feel like we're all got some new weaponry
and we mean that metaphorically Of course, where's
the weaponry from? Chana that's exactly right.
We just got hit pretty hard with the tariffs
now We got a new what do you call this Brandon
Brandon's a tech guy? Okay, he's from a different
generation Because it's called an audio mixer
apparently audio mixer. We've got an audio mixer
now so we can We can we have soundboards. We
have really fun noises. We can make at all times
and I don't know we've we've upgraded a lot of
stuff. We have got some new new mics. That's
I think specifically made to actually do this.
What's the point? Why did we get the new mixer?
What was what was the whole reason we got it
so we could talk to the fruit expert? The fruit
expert. The pomologist for being extremely. The
pomologist. And after y 'all have been asking
for this pomologist to be on for a long time.
Months on end. Months on end. People are just
like, I can't go anywhere in public. People are
just like, hey, who is this guy? You know, they're
assuming it's a male. That's kind of misogynist.
Yeah, but think of me. Fruit expert. Honestly,
I would think of a female, but I don't know.
I just, I just feel like a fruit expert would
be a female, but anyways, he's not, it's not
a female. Okay. Uh, so who is our, who is our
special guest that we have on the podcast? We
have today, we've got for you drum roll. The
bishop of St. Lucia, the esteemed, the venerable
cardinal, the cardinal Brewer Vaughn. And these
titles are something else, aren't they? Yeah.
And the crowd goes wild. All right, so we got
Brewer. We've been talking on Brewer preached
a sermon. When was that here at East Philly?
Oh November the 16th, I believe it was the day.
Yeah, I only remember that so well because my
birthday was like two days after that. So I thought
it was like in December. You got married in December.
Yeah, I get these things. We thought about doing
a podcast on the subject here on marriage. Yeah.
Cause my two colleagues here, uh, they have,
what do y 'all have about three months combined
of marriage? Yeah, we're professionals. I've
got two months and you've got at least a month.
So that's okay. We're not going to do it on a,
we're not going to do it on a arithmetic are
we? We're not going to do it on mathematics.
Brush up on your calculus. I don't know. I thought
I was, I thought we were farther along than that.
Sorry. Sorry. Brewer. What is the subject? Brewer's
picked the subject to today, by the way. So what,
what is the subject for today's podcast? We're
talking about all things fruit, apples, oranges,
tomatoes, which we can argue if that's actually
a fruit. When's the proper growing season for
these kind of. fruits. Definitely in the springtime.
Okay. There we go. Perfect. Is that all the expert?
Well, if you don't cultivate, you know, and you
got to make sure that all the colds gone. Cause
if it's not zone you live in and there's a lot
of variables there. If you're listening from
Singapore, we see you. Sorry. So they're closer
to maybe growing it already. I mean, they're,
they're harvest season is probably already done.
So This may not pertain to them. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Got you. We'll keep it to the Western Hemisphere
for this episode. We'll do an Eastern Hemisphere
episode on a future one there. We will be ready
for that. Just give us six months, guys. This
is out of the prime meridian. The fruit of the
spirit. Oh, you rattled into it. The fruit of
the spirit. So, Brandon, he wasn't sure what
book this was in or chapter anything. It's in
Galatian chapter five, Brandon, if you want to
turn your Bible to that. I'll open there, I'm
sorry. So we're gonna look at the fruit of the
spirit. And before we do that, I think Brewer
was gonna kind of hit, we'd like to give sort
of the background, sort of paint a little picture,
okay? We were talking about a specific painter
right before we started the episode here, who
we're not gonna mention. I think he also, he
was a mustache guy, like we are actually, we
talk about the mustache podcast, but that's not
what today's episode is about today. We're talking
about again, Galatians chapter five. We're going
to stay on subject here, not chase your habits.
We're going to attempt to, um, so Brewer, you
kind of want to give us kind of the background
of Galatians. What was Paul doing here? Uh, he
wrote this, I think you said from Macedonia on
his third missionary journey, third and final
missionary journey. So Brewer, take the floor,
tell us about Galatians. All right, as Brandon
said, I'll just give a kind of quick background
of why Paul was writing to the church at Galatia.
So the whole goal of Galatians is to correct
the false teachings by the... The Judaizers.
There you go. These false Jewish teachers, Brandon
and I talked a little bit about them in previous
episodes. It happens, you know, it's a big word.
When you put an A and an I next to each other,
it kind of throws me off. I'm telling you, Asia.
No, that's ASI. Oh, shoot. All right, we got
two dumb moments in here now. And we're only
five or six minutes in. Anyways, well, these
false teachers claim that Gentile converts must
follow the Mosaic Law. for example, circumcision
or the food laws, no port, stuff of that nature,
to be saved. Well, Paul was combating that, basically
saying and being angry at them for that because
his whole thing was that salvation alone comes
from Christ and not the additions of the Mosaic
law into that scripture, into their teachings.
That's good stuff. What like what was the point
of the Judaizers, you know, I mean, that's just
an open question for anybody It's like I don't
know like what was their goal. Why would they
go in behind Paul and Just teach this like garbage
theology. I guess I don't know like how long
you got Obviously they're trying to I think There's
an argument about that in and of itself and we're
not gonna make a we're not gonna go too deep
into it But next week's episode my opinion I'm
no expert. I want to preface it with that. I
think they were completely trying to subvert
Christianity as a whole. That is my opinion.
They're not confused teachers who just didn't
quite understand what the soteriology is supposed
to be. I think they really were trying to completely
subvert the message as a whole. I mean, what
does Christ call them in the Sermon on the Mount?
He says they're wolves in sheep's clothing, right?
So there so that's my opinion is they weren't
they're not really they're not in the vine to
begin with they're not Christians they're outside
of Christ isn't just some like Like I messed
up and just miss me. I missed read my Bible a
little bit I didn't quite study enough and I
just I really kind of misunderstood the Old Testament
a little bit or I misunderstood Christ teaching
a little bit and so I'm not quite teaching at
the right way, you know, but it's it's uh just
out of ignorance i don't think that's what it
is at all i think they're completely trying to
subvert the message and trying to uh stop you
know christianity in its tracks okay as that's
what the these teachers have been doing since
the beginning anyway yeah just wanted to just
wanted to get a like a little foundation of what's
is what's your opinion i don't know i feel like
it could have been just out of selfish you know
For example if you get in there and you start
you know, like people start becoming saved and
all this kind of stuff like you see it in the
modern church You see a lot of pastors who will
become big get you know, you know Get all the
get the platform get get the book signing deals
get all this kind of stuff and and they'll just
like do it for the numbers I guess and maybe
maybe they did it Just for the clout, you know
what I mean? Trying to, you know, just say, Hey,
I was the one who came in here and taught y 'all
the right thing. And, but, you know, actually
it was for selfish motivations. We talked about
that. I think in the Philippians three, the first
one, the chapters, the subversive went through
11, something like that. Uh, yeah. He talked,
Paul talks about that in Philippians. I'm sure
I think he talks about it in Galatians too. They're
doing it for selfishly motivated reasons. Yeah.
You see that a lot, whether it's financial gain
or Praise for a man status, whatever it may be.
I'm sure they had a tithe, you know I'm sure
they tie something and try to support the missionary
that came in, you know So maybe it was for money
or it could have been but for whatever reason
it's not their heart was not in the right place
I guess is there they weren't confused. Their
heart was literally just not in the right place
Okay, so this year these are non -christians
Judaizers false teachers. That's what we talking
about here as we get into Galatians chapter 5
so Guess we're gonna read it or is that enough
of you got more background you got more background
keep going I mean all right if you just ask so
All in all Paul was just distraught by this influence
that these false teachers were trying to convey
to the new newly converted Gentiles right they
they were trying to put their own spin on whatever
they wanted just like you know Some of the stuff
that pops up nowadays. You know you have your
own these cults that pop up. Yeah, we're getting
there. You know, cults pop up all over the place,
especially it was really profound in the 80s
and 90s, you know, you have all these cults that
pop up that they have their own teachings and
what they believe that is correct. And well,
I don't know if it's really that they believe
it or if it's more they're just trying to gain.
Yeah. Yeah. Trying to gain power and authority
without Yeah, dude it under the eyes of really
that there's something that pretended that there's
something that they're not Exactly right power
does crazy things to people though. That's all
episode our corrupts and absolute power corrupts.
Absolutely So what Lord Acton said that's pretty
good. That's a great. That's a great quote. It's
a great quote It's a great quote. So we're in
Galatians chapter 5 the last thing I would say
about Galatians Brandon just mentioned this a
few minutes ago Was it's probably Paul's most?
Fiery letter I was brand I just stole Brandon's
that was exactly what he said. I mean he is He
looks like he's visibly angry. I mean like they're
just through the text at certain places You remember
the foolish Galatians after three this we talked
about Philippians being one of his most endearing
letters. This is probably his least endearing
letter And you know, he's doing it for good reason.
Obviously he loves these people but this church
is seriously flawed I mean this church is really
kind of To some degree. I would say it's kind
of rotten from the inside I mean that the doctrine
has become horrific and it's become evident through
it's obviously become evident through Their fruits
to stick with that stick with the fruit What
would you I mean, do you? Stole Brandon's thought
there was my thought but that's okay. I'll get
you back one day. We do I'll get you don't worry,
but Anything else anything else to add or take
away about the context? That's the case then
Let's read the verse, let's see what it's talking
about here. Okay, verse 20 and 21. 22 and 23.
22 and 23, all right. Galatians 5, starting in
verse 22. That's good stuff. So Mr. Fruit Expert
here. Mr. Brewer. Take it away. Take it away,
man. Let me start with just a question. Okay,
I got for you guys Oh gosh, why do you think
the apostle Paul wrote about the fruit of the
spirit? Like what was his? main goal in writing
that There's two verses We're trying not to get
too carried away here on our new soundboard.
We're really excited. We got some new toys, like
kids in a candy store, I guess. But, um, so he,
in verses 20 and 21, he reads, you call it the
fruit of the flesh. Really? Is that, does he
ever should call it that? Or did we make that
up? I think it's called the fruit of the flesh.
I think it is called the fruit of the flesh.
Um, It was just for heat well like this is this
we'll go back to that in a little bit I think
I think that that there was probably a problem
with their behavior based off of I mean Again,
we don't know if there was a problem if they
were just getting false teachers But I feel like
if you if if you're learning false doctrines
and false things doctrine does this doctrine
is what you'd believe about God and if your doctrine
becomes too off I think it's going to start showing
in your character. It manifested itself. I think
it's going to start showing itself. And I think
this wasn't just like, Hey, you know, some church
members are, you know, you know, I'm just questioning
about, I think about, about their Judy, I just
think that I think they're starting to act things
out. You know what I mean? I think that's inevitably
what it leads to. I mean, I think they're starting
to act on it. And I think that he's saying, Hey,
we're going to not talk about 19 through 21 just
yet but 22 and 23 he says this is what we're
supposed to look like this is where you are and
this is what you're supposed to look like not
to like cut to what we're talking about later
but personally that's what i think is going on
but yeah great question yeah i think the false
the false doctrine it leads to it leads to the
fruits of the flesh and i think that that obviously
was evident with the church in galatia here It's
evident we just talked about Paul's his his disappointment
though how fiery this letter was and then to
contrast that He gives the fruits the fruit of
the Spirit. Yeah Yeah, so like you said Paul
presents the nine attributes of a godly life
right love joy peace patience kindness goodness
faithfulness generalness self -control He lists
those nine as a life led by the Holy Spirit To
the contrast of what? We're about to talk about
to the attributes of an ungodly life Right. He
refers to the opposite of the fruit of the spirit
as works of the flesh or or the fruit fruit of
the flesh, right? And that's found literally
two verses Yeah right before yeah, yeah like
two verses before what we just read but I mean
as part of this, you know kind of understanding
why those non attributes are important we kind
of kind of backtrack to the works of the flesh
right flesh yeah, but as noted an ungodly life
is one controlled by the sinful nature That every
human is born with right when we're you know
born again and filled with the Holy Spirit We're
supposed to exemplify those nine attributes that
are listed But as nature as humans in our you
know natural instincts, we're gonna be we have
a sinful nature. It's You know, it's not rocket
science. Yeah, that's that's just what it is.
So he lists those nine attributes of a Filled
with the Holy Spirit the fruit of the Spirit
and then right before that like we mentioned
he lists the Attributes of a sinful nature which
Brandon's about to read. Oh, I'm going to read
it. That's what that's what Bishop Brewer just
told me he told me I was gonna read it verses
19 through 21 is what I'm gonna read and it says
now the works of the flesh are obvious sexual
morality moral impurity promiscuity, idolatry,
sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts
of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar.
I am warning you about these things, as I warned
you before, that those who practice such things
will not inherit the kingdom of God. That's deep,
isn't it? That's some good stuff. A lot of big
words. A lot of big words, and I got put on the
spot with that one. Proud of you man. Thanks,
man. Thanks but The the reason I guess Paul mentions,
you know all those and then he counteracts it
two verses later with the fruit of the spirit
is I believe his point in that is to show us
that we're we all grow fruit. Mm -hmm You know,
we throughout our life. We cultivate some sort
of fruit now. Is it the good fruit or is it the
bad fruit? Is it the fruit of the flesh or is
it the fruit of the spirit? Yeah, we can't fake
or force the good fruit Ourselves, right? Yeah,
I mean it's it's hard to show love. It's hard
to show Joy all the time. It's hard to show peace
patience kindness goodness all those things.
It's hard to show them consistently in and out
every day, but It's a lot easier, you know, like
I said the big words it's a lot easier to Cultivate
the fruit of our flesh and it is the fruit of
the Holy Spirit I don't I don't think the fruit
of the flesh requires any work. I think again,
it's just natural. It's just natural We don't
have to cultivate anything. We just sit there
and let it grow and it goes I just you just reminded
me of a verse and I just want to read it for
you. It's Matthew 7 18 and says a good tree can't
produce bad fruit Neither can a bad tree produce
good fruit every tree that doesn't produce good
fruit is cut down under the fire So I kind of
just got reminded of that when you said this
and it's just like man If you're if if you were
a bad tree and you're gonna produce bad fruit
if we're not cultivating Good fruit good trees.
We're not gonna produce good fruit and it seems
and I was telling the youth this Every time we
have a podcast. I mentioned what I told the youth
the night before but I mentioned that verse to
him It is your job That's a great point. That's
I don't know man. That was that was tough But
I was telling them last night and I was like,
man, like we're talking about dating and we're
just saying like, Hey, y 'all look for bad people
and expect good fruit. You know what I mean?
I feel like it's the same way in our spiritual
life too. We don't do any work and, and we don't
put anything forward and we expect to get good
fruit from it. And we have to put in good work
to get good fruit. And I think that's evident.
If anyone's a farmer or has a garden or anything,
it doesn't just plant a seed and it just pop
up. You got to get the weeds out and you got
to do all that kind of stuff. So anyways, that's
a great point. Gosh, I love that button that
was the that was my thought too about the first
He was one of the first things you said there
the it's the default setting it takes no effort
the the works of the flesh it is our It's our
default setting. It's just it is our nature.
It is our fleshly nature Is that what we're children
by wrath of wrath by nature and Ephesians 2 I
mean, that's just what we do. It's what we do.
It's natural Natural instincts of just being
a human. Yeah, so but I kind of like that. I
was driving today, right? You drive a lot. Well,
this was yes a spot I normally don't come from
you know going from doctor's office to back to
work anyways pass the dollar general and this
is a This is it sounds far -fetched. I know but
I got a point I'm getting to know there's dollar
generals everywhere Exactly. No the point I'm
getting to is We seed these either the works
of the flesh or we seed The fruit of the spirit,
right? It's one of those things Just like a dollar
general is popping up everywhere. You look around
every corner. We got dollar generals popping
up That's how kind of we are with throwing our
seeds out now Are we throwing out the seeds of
the fruit of the spirit or we see throwing out
the works of the flesh? It's kind of they just
reminded me of I got that idea when I was passing
dollar general dollar general That's a good illustration,
man. I'd keep that I'm for DG theology So about
dollar geology or either one's fine So Brandon
Theologian almost oh gosh broadcaster. So if
or either one of y 'all so just So if if the
if the fruit of the flesh or the works of the
flesh is effortless, it's just natural It's our
human inclination our default setting whatever
you want to call it Is the fruit of the spirit?
Is that does it is it the opposite of as in terms
of is it a lot of work? Like in terms of is it
does it take a lot of effort? It depends on the
fruit. Which one are we talking about? You know,
I mean, I think it's different for everybody
There are some people that come natural. Yeah
Yeah, I think there are some people that love
very easily, you know what I mean? They're really
good at loving or they're very joyful people
and You know like and sometimes like you can
be a non -christian and be joyful, too You know,
I mean like I believe that ultimately you get
joy from the Lord But some people are just really
joyful and you know, I think some of it is not
saying it comes naturally but you know, maybe
whatever they do they they're joyful and And
I don't know some people self -control is super
difficult patience Super difficult if they're
angry, you know what I mean? There's a lot of
these that that people really really struggle
with and I think There are some that people do
really good and I forgot what your question was.
What was your question? I was like because we
established okay, let's stay is easy. Oh, yeah
You know, it's a not and again, we talked about
this and I don't think this We have to really
line this out very much, I think this goes without
saying, like, obviously, every person, every
we're talking about unregenerate people, they're
not all participating in all these things. Right?
I mean, it is not an exhaustive list either.
Paul says at the end, he says, in my translation,
he said, and things like these, it's not an exhaustive
list. So he's just given, he does the same same
thing. And I think it's First Corinthians 219.
He does this in several different places. So
he's not just saying this is the these are the
only things that are Fruits of the flesh so to
speak, but they are easy generally speaking.
They're effortless actually but I was asking
you think the fruit of the Spirit is it or those
attributes easy to Manifest in our life. I guess
it could because the question kind of is this
sort of a deeper question I think does it come
from it doesn't come from us. Anyway, that's
what I think when you were asking that it kind
of registered to me The whole idea behind it
is the work Are the the fruit of the Spirit right
of coming from of the Spirit right now? It's
in the nails Yeah, exactly when the opposite
is works of the flesh which we all have our own
flesh, but without being saved and Repenting
and truly being you know born -again Christian.
You're not gonna have the Holy Spirit So I would
say no that these do not come nat most likely
do not come natural or easier to attain. If it
was, then everybody would be doing it, not just
Christians. That's a good point. Yeah, that was
actually what I was thinking, too, because it's
the fruits of the Spirit. So the Spirit is within
you if you're regenerate, but it's not... What's
the right way to put that Brandon? It's it's
the spirit. So the fruit is the fruit of the
spirit So it's from God. Yes, it is from God's
tree. Not your own. Yes That's kind of my point.
I think yeah, there we go. That's that's that's
how I describe it is from God's tree Not your
own gets again. I'd say that's I'd say ultimately
like I was I was thinking about this the other
day I'd say ultimately like your gift as a Christian
Like obviously like a lot of times we focus on
hey that eternal life like forever in heaven
with jesus But I think we also get gifts here
on earth and ultimately like I think The change
of our character from these first attributes
of drunkenness and sexual idolatry and and all
these different things I think that the fruit
that we get here on earth is the changing of
our spirit and our character because the holy
spirit has changed us, you know what I mean,
and and we still like Like there are there are
things that you know, like we were talking before
the podcast i'm gonna steal this because brewer
said it and Brandon already stole one of my sayings
i'm gonna stay still something brewer said but
we were talking about if If you could have all
of these attributes and the answer is Is no if
you if you practice all these attributes perfectly,
you'd be you'd be perfect You'd be like jesus
christ and and ultimately we'll never become
perfect Like that on this earth, but we can work
on those things and the the spirit will ultimately
Let me go back to what y 'all are just saying
the spirit can change us Be more and more like
this and it's just a gift from the spirit is
what I'd say just like well this we're talking
about sanctification here You agree. I agree.
So this is work. We're moving past Glorification,
right? so Is that the right word glorification?
sanctification What are those the occasions occasion
Romans chapter 8? Yeah, sanctification. I just
went blank. I just lost them all. Justification.
Justification. I am retarded. I'm going to use
the R one. Oh, wrong button. Yeah, Piers Morgan
says you're not allowed to say that, but... We
can bleep it. So, yeah, so you're going past
justification, but you know, it's the same sanctification.
It really, it has the same source as justification.
It's not within yourself at all, in my opinion.
Just, and I think this is what scriptures teach,
justification. We've talked about this before.
It's zero percent of your own works, it's 100
% a gift. It's 100 % unadulterated grace. And
I would say sanctification really is the same
thing. What he's talking about here, which the
fruit of the spirit falls under. I agree. I don't
know, I'm kind of thinking this. I'm looking
at the nine here, you know what I mean? I guess
we've been talking about the fruit of the spirits
as a whole, but I don't know, I'm not going to
ask like, hey, Which one do you stink at you
know that's what I'm gonna ask but like I'm just
like thinking looking at this list I feel like
some of these are just different than others
the which they are yeah, and I mean I've got
you know we can talk about each one separately
and Explain you know cuz some of them you see
the word you think something, but it totally
means something else man Which one are you thinking
about when you said that I he was he was chomping
at the bit to say something about Go ahead, man.
Hit it. I mean I'm gonna go in order cuz just
the way I mean, we'll go in the order Paul wrote
him down. How about that? But I'd like to first
start off by saying that The whole idea of Galatians
5 and in a whole the whole chapter is to encourage
Paul's readers that those who belong to Christ
Which is shown in verse 4 if you continue to
read on a little bit longer are no longer slaves
to their sin nature That's because when a person
turns to Christ, they receive the power of the
Holy Spirit to overcome the sin nature and develop
the character of Christ. And the character of
Christ is marked by the fruit of His Spirit,
right? It shouldn't be noted that Paul writes
the fruit of the Spirit, not the fruits of the
Spirit. And why do you think that is? Why do
you think Paul writes fruit and not fruits? Well,
to contrast with the first set, the works of
the flesh, we said that that's not You can kind
of pick and choose those, right? Exactly. When
you want to choose a nose. The fruit of the spirit
is all -inclusive, right? It is one package.
You cannot pick and choose. Yeah, I like to think
about it. Think of a human body. It's one body,
but it's comprised of many, many parts. It's
good stuff. You don't say, my bodies, right?
You say my body, but you have an arm, you have
a leg. You have a gallbladder? Well, some of
us do. You had to lose it. Gosh. It was in my
mind when I said that. Can we just quickly shout
out that this man is getting his gallbladder
removed tomorrow and he's just like a trooper
and is like, I'm just going to come on the podcast
still. Like we should have said that. We should
have said that right from the start in the intro,
but. Well, I think that's a HIPAA violation you
just committed there, but. Well, he's not my
doctor. He did share it. I mean. But the whole,
the whole idea is that. Christians we're supposed
to exemplify this whole body of fruit, right?
Just like we have that one body. But it's to
note that the scripture refers to them as a unified
singular fruit, meaning we should be exemplifying
all of these as Christians. They come together,
you know, in a Christian's life to reflect a
complete picture of the character of Christ.
Just like we talked about, if we Exemplified
all of them all the time. We would be perfect
right we would be of Of the nature of Jesus,
but we we can't we're humans right we struggle
with some It's some come a lot easier and some
are more difficult to attain for us, but we need
to know that we can't just pick and choose which
fruit we want to show which ones we want to exemplify
which they like as Brandon said earlier. You
know you can't be saying Tuesday I want to show
love Wednesday. I want to choose joy, you know,
you can't go through the list each and every
day The whole list should be you should strive
to obtain and exemplify each of those fruit throughout
your entire day, you know on your day -to -day
basis and It's also we need to note that you
know Yes, the they can be easily be faked. You
know, you can you can act like you love someone
you can act like you have joy but in when you
go home at night, you're by yourself. What are
you truly feeling at the moment? Are you truly
feeling joy or peace? What are you struggling
with? And that's kind of what we're gonna get
into in what each of these fruit mean, the behind
the scenes of them. We're looking at the one
word fruit for each one, but each one can really
get deep into the meaning. The understanding
of what Paul is trying to write. Yeah, so it's
good stuff. Let's start off Do y 'all think that
there's any? Do you think that there's any significance
like into the to like the ordering of the light?
I do. Yes I think he starts off free. He starts
he starting love is kind of coincidence that
he started with love Yeah, love fulfills the
whole law. That's the first thing I think about.
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely think there's a reason
for the order like yeah Well, I mean we'll jump
right into let's love let's do it so it's no
coincidence that Paul puts love first in the
fruit of the spirit I'd agree completely and
I would I would like to preface with this is
probably love is one of the most misunderstood
Words In our English language in the entire Bible.
I'd say just as a like modern culture today Yeah,
I think we've completely lost what love means
Just if you talking about love it may be the
most abused word in the English language. Oh,
yeah Yeah, exactly because it at least like in
the Greek. There's at least three Yeah, like
there's like the the got a filet. Oh, and what's
the third one Brandon? You're the one that was
Eros or Eros. Thank you. Hello Brandon. I should
have I should have asked you it's fine. He's
got it wrote down I've got them all down so I
Guess, you know what? Let me ask you this. What
love are we talking about right here guys? I'd
say probably a copy. Yeah, you would be correct.
Where's that? Where's that buzzer ding ding ding?
So got pays like godly love exactly It's the
highest form of the different kind of loves expressed
by distinct Greek words. Like we said The English
language has one word for love, you know, I love
my wife But I love my wife differently than I
love my mom. I love college football But I love
it a lot different than I love my wife. I hope
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Beacon Street so back to the episode So yeah
our We have one word for love that's that's where
it's kind of lost like you find all those three
different types of love all throughout the Bible,
but they mean completely different things like
agape is the The love we're talking about it's
the kind of love that God has for his creation.
It's pure selfless and self -sacrificing right
just like Romans 5, 8 says, but God commanded
his love toward us, and in that, while we are
yet sinners, Christ died for us, right? That's
the best example of love I know of, is that God
sent his son to die on the cross for us. That's
the form of sacrificial love that Paul is talking
about when he uses agape. The other type of loves,
you know, is Eros, I'm not really sure how to
say that word, but it's a romantic type of love.
Just like that'd be the love I show my wife.
Brandon was supposed to be showing us Filet -O,
but he's just been kind of tough on us. I'm sorry,
Brewer. No, you're good. That's friendship love
for anyone out there who didn't know. I've been
a good friend today. Because you often hear Philadelphia
is the city of Filet -O. Exactly, the brotherly
love. You hear that they say they say that they
do say that and then I guess Like I said don't
know how to say this word store gay store storage.
That's exactly right This is this is this is
the rule when it comes to speaking Greek you
say it loud you say it fast you say it confident
and no one's gonna question it yeah, I should
have brushed up on my Greek before I came in
a man, but Like I said the the word love that
Paul's meant are using is that agape? and that's
like said it's It's his love that showed that
showed for us by sacrificing his only son to
save us from our sinful nature the reason we
can have the Holy Spirit the reason we can have
this fruit is all because of love and that's
why I believe Paul actually started with Love
first meaning because of his love We're able
to have the rest of the eight. That's so would
you say the love is the most important one? I
would I would say yeah, I mean he says it hits
a lot It's the Bible the Bible says God is love
right and it also says it's John Yeah, the word
God is the word and the word is like something
it said in first Corinthians 13 the love chapter
as it's called, you know And the greatest of
these is love. It's erroneously read at all.
They're all the way it was not read at mine.
Okay Norman I don't think there we go. It probably
was read at yours though It could have been I
it may have been okay, then and get off us, okay?
I'd had a couple drinks by the time I got Non
-alcoholic non -alcoholic of course, that's that
is sad, man Button I'm sorry Yell to the mic
hope it and blow your drums out. So I thought
that was really good actually while we were yet
sinners Christ died for us I think that's like
the perfect to kind of encapsulate the exact
type of Love agape that we're talking about the
whole all is filled in this that we love one
another what right basically if you were gonna
describe love like you wouldn't just say like
I just this We gooey feeling you get or anything
like that. Are you talking about this type of
love or like yeah, this time? No, this is just
you're sacrificing your time your Abilities your
gifts from God you're sacrificing that to help
somebody out, you know, I got you Yeah saying
love is sacrifice In this case. Well, yeah, I
guess in I think a lot of cases. I think a lot
of cases love example You just gave christ the
ultimate sacrifice right christ died for us.
That's the ultimate example of love and sacrifice
I don't know. I think that I think love is sacrifice
sometimes and love is not just a new gooey feeling
that we talk about exactly So I wish we had different
words for what these feelings you get, you know,
because this type of love is not a feeling The
love that god's talking about is not a feeling
It's good stuff. So it's more of it's just your
love for others your sacrificial, you know because
People as nature are people as humans, right?
We have a nature of being selfish And this is
a selfless love. Yes is doing for others not
expecting them to do it unto you, you know Gotcha.
That's anybody else got anything to add on that?
I think love is hit we could probably have a
podcast on yeah Honestly, I think we can have
a whole podcast on each one of the nine Characteristics
here or characteristics, I guess or attributes
of the spiritual spirit. There we go I think
we have a whole episode on that. So we're each
fruit. Yeah each fruit. Oh, no, there's only
one fruit Remember, there's only one fruit. That's
what we just determined true, but I can think
of it kind of like the godhead There's only one
god, but there's three. Yeah, so we can say there's
only one fruit of the spirit It's one bundle
of grapes with nine grapes in it. Yeah we're
getting a little semantic about it but there
we go i think that was a good what's the next
one that would be joy oh man count it all joy
my dear brothers which is kind of that's a paradoxical
in there because he's talking about when you're
persecuted that was a direct context james says
right the church is being persecuted and he says
count it all joy which i think is really good
actually uh i think that's Because it's easy
to be we talk about it's easy to have and we
confuse joy and happiness But it's easy to be
joyful or whatever when times are good and you're
on the mountaintop But that's not really what
you hear talked about in the scriptures that
much. It's usually when things are pretty horrific
I was gonna say joy joy joy joy down That's what
I was thinking of now. I agree like I think like
most of the time You see the word joy is it's
right around some sufferings like for example
in in in John 15 It is you know, the you know,
I'm the vine abide me chapter in John 15 10 It
says my joy will be in you and your joy will
be full and that is right before Jesus goes to
the cross And he's talking about joy being in
you, you know, like obviously this joy he's talking
about is it's unconditional. Yeah It's unconditional
on what's going on. Yeah, exactly. It's not based
on good days or your circumstance. It's an eternal
joy. It stays in the hard times, the pain that
we go through life. You're still coming home,
you're having joy. That joy comes from Jesus
and what he did on the cross. And Christians
should be the most joyful people because we get
to experience Yeah, we get to experience some
things on life But the things we look forward
to in heaven should just fill you with joy because
you know, there's something better at the end
There's something better that's gonna happen
once you leave this earth And that should bring
the ultimate joy to your to you and the ultimate
comfort to you Life is more than just what's
here in front of us Basically is what we we have
an old we have an eternal mindset. I guess is
the word Can I just read something super fast?
This was in my this is in my my study Bible.
This is from The charles spurgeon we've talked
about him several times. Shout out charles spurgeon.
I love that man, but it says this at the bottom
of my page Believers are not dependent. This
is spurgeon's Words are not dependent on circumstances
their joy comes from not what they have But from
what they are not from where they are but from
those they whose they are not from where what
they enjoy but from what was suffered for them
by their lord jesus christ, so our joy comes
from Jesus and no one else and that it's hard
to be iffy if your joy is good today or not if
your joy is Coming from Jesus Christ. It's it's
constant. It's not going anywhere. The ultimate
human example would be the author of this letter
that we're reading Because that dude lived a
pretty tough life man at post -conversion. He
lived a tough one. We talked about And I mean,
he's writing is this is not a prison epistle,
right? But a lot of it. So I don't know the numbers
about half his letters, at least it seems like
we're written from prison. And this wasn't like
the still Doug brooms line from the other day
in church. That was this was not three hots in
a cop prison either. Like this was like horrific,
archaic. Doug said that. Did you not hear that?
When you say that, he said that I don't know.
And he was talking about Paul's prison experience.
I mean, they said these were like horrific, barbaric.
you know ancient prisons horrible living conditions
and this dude is just like what is he doing when
he's strapped down next to somebody he's like
preaching the gospel to the Philippian jailer
gosh that's his mindset it's a profound delight
and rejoicing that comes from knowing and serving
god that's what this joy is um it's supernatural
yeah i do got a bible verse i'd like to read
nehemiah 8 10 says then he said unto them go
your way eat the fat and drink the sweet Send
the portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared
for this day is holy unto our Lord Neither you
be sorry for the joy of the Lord is your strength
So I Did like we said the joy is not circumstantial
right when we're walking through the valley of
the shadow of death We should be having joy when
we're at our lowest lows as Christians. We should
be having that joy, right? It's not based on
our circumstances or what we going through We
know where our joy comes from. It comes from
God and what he did for us by sending his son,
Jesus Christ to die on the cross, right? That's
great. Y 'all should be preachers, dude. This
guy should try preaching, man. Dude, the guy's
tearing it up. I'm just sitting here like, man,
I've got to replace some 23 in there. I didn't
see that coming. Dude, he is fantastic. He is
a M and M quote. If you could fit that in, you'd
take the cake. Oh my gosh. You win the internet
for today. I don't know if I have anything else
to add on joy, but I don't know. I tell our students
this a lot. Joy is just prolonged, like something
deep down that you can't really explain and why
you're joyful in this situation. When when you're
going through these tough times, why you're why
you got a smile? Why are you you'd say it's not
an emotion It's deeper than an emotion. It's
much deeper than a happiness is an emotion happy
you can show happiness like While being joyful,
obviously most people show happiness when their
joy happiness is fleeting Yeah, happiness is
it it's very unstable. It could be here one second
and you can have circumstantial. Yes And this
is and this is what what? Spurgeon just said
a second ago. Well, he didn't say it I said it
but I read what he said and and he's talking
about like ours It does not depend on our circumstances
Joy does not depend on your circumstances the
circumstances are Jesus Christ died 2 ,000 years
ago for your sin and if did and if that is a
true statement you can have this joy Because
it's already happened and it's free to take it
is yours to take if you just say I accept Jesus
Christ as Lord and Savior And I want that I want
that so I don't know. I mean, that's what I got
on that Beautiful I got one more thing to add
and then we can go on but we should be so joyful
that other people notice and Our joy alone leads
people to start asking questions of who are they?
Why are they so joyful? How can I get that right?
It opens door. It opens the door to share faith
That's so we shouldn't put a bushel over our
light. We should let our Lamp shine. Yeah, our
illuminate. Very good Matthew five. Very good
Matthew five quote there. Good job. Good job.
Very proud of you. But yeah, I mean, I'm good
with joy. Y 'all know that. Let's go joy. Let's
go. What's next? Sorry. Peace, peace, peace,
peace, brother in the war. So what is peace?
Peace is an unshakable inner calm. That can be
a rare quality in turbulent times. You know,
the greatest example I can potentially think
of and y 'all can come up with something else.
If I don't, I can't top that. Well, that's, that's,
I haven't even said nothing yet. Your definition
was like beautiful. I don't know what it meant,
but it had to be unspeakable, unshakable, unshakable.
That means you're calm. Nothing, nothing can
deter you. So I was trying to mention the The
absolute best story in the Bible I could potentially
think of to kind of show what this piece is talking
about is when Jesus is sleeping in the middle
of the storm. That's that's that's a good one.
That's I can't think of a better example. I mean,
all the disciples were scared to death, you know,
they were trying to wake Jesus up. And what is
he doing? He's sleeping the entire time. Not
no worry at all, because he knows everything's
going to be fine. that's the kind of piece that
we need we we should have as Christians with
the Holy Spirit right that's the Saturday morning
I want to have irritated when they woke him up
he was he's like what are you doing you have
no faith I mean what are you I'm trying to have
a good nap here exactly so As Christians, we
can call on God's Holy Spirit to impart a sense
of peace on us, right? Especially when things
seem to be spinning out of control, when things
are getting turbulent, when we feel like us as
humans are losing control, we can call on the
Holy Spirit to give us that peace. That deserved
a button. And that piece that comes from the
spirit. It's not just a small comfort, right?
It's a piece that surpasses all understanding.
Exactly. Someone once said that, man, I had that,
that was my next note. Good job. Next. No, you
ready to steal it from him. He, he looked over
my iPad, saw what I had written down. No, that
was good. I was chicken scratch. Probably it's,
Oh, nevermind. Yes. Typewriter man. I'm back
in the old times. No, but the spirit, you know,
We can, we have those people in our life that
we can call upon for comfort. You know, we need
to hear an encouraging word or somebody to calm
us down. Like, I know I keep bringing her up,
but my wife's a good example. She's always there
for me. If I need somebody to calm me down, or
if I need to call somebody to give me some, some
encouragement, right? Yeah. But this isn't the
piece that - 45 days running, right? Yeah, exactly.
I mean, we're starting off straight. No, but
I mean The piece that he's talking about. It's
not just a small comfort. It's not just to fulfill
you for a few minutes, right? It's overwhelming
peace Right, especially in this world. We have
is so chaotic, right? Real peace is rare nowadays
I would say I don't know if y 'all would agree
or not, but real peace is rare. It's hard to
find so We need to understand That yes in the
middle of the storm we may we may face some trials
some tribulations We may face some stuff that
are really hard to face But we need to understand
that our peace comes from god who is bigger than
any problem we could ever face I Nail on the
head moment I don't have a lot I I don't have
a lot to add to that either bigger than any storm
that may come I mean We're we're having going
man ice age coming up in two days, right? People
are buying all the bread out the store all the
milk all the eggs I need to go to the store Yeah,
you might want to but the point is God is bigger
than any storm That you'll ever face, right?
We need to be asking for peace to come from the
one who's bigger than all that That's good stuff.
So we should be looking for peace from without,
from outside of ourselves, not within, right?
It's kind of the world looks inwardly, right?
That's a good point. There's no way, as humans,
we'd be able to get that peace from within us,
right? Well, that's the same kind of idea of
everything we've looked at. I mean, there's really
nothing good comes from within, naturally, from
within our own. Human inclination or intuition
at all. It all comes from outside, right? Luther
said most of your Christian life comes from outside
of you, right? Gosh, man in a room of theologians
right now, man. I heard Alistair bag say that
in a sermon. It just come to me. That's pretty
good. That's pretty good. What's the next one?
Are we dealing with peace or sorry? I might have
jumped again a little bit. No, I mean, I'm I
think that's all I got to say. Okay, well, it's
just Have that piece like Jesus don't know how
to add anything bruises keeps like really just
hitting it right on the head And we're just like
I don't what else can I there was a group of
people tried to get it to a pipe one time? the
peace pipe Yeah, I thought it was relevant based
on our geography, but y 'all go ahead But I will
like to add sorry I just know One scripture which
Brandon talked about but comes from Philippians
4, 6, or 7. It says, be careful for nothing but
in everything by prayer and supplication with
thanksgiving let your requests be made known
unto God. And the peace of God which passeth
all understanding shall keep your hearts and
minds through Christ Jesus. That's what I got
for peace. That was the verse that came to my
mind as well. Let's talk a little bit about patience
because sometimes I walk in here to the podcast
room and I see Brandon and I just I just lose
my patience and we're 51 minutes into this and
we hope y 'all aren't losing y 'all's patience
with us right? Keep listening guys. You know
another word for patience? Long -suffering. Hopefully
they won't be suffering long. They'll be suffering
for 52 minutes. That's a biblical term to boot
by the way. But it's also a piece is also called
forbearance. So when we think of P are patient
yeah, yeah Yeah, we've long gone peace Patience
is also called forbearance. So I'm the kind of
person I have terrible road rage Like I'll lose
my patience with somebody in front of me real
quick But luckily for me luckily for y 'all if
you lose your patience quick, that's not the
patience That Paul's talking about right here
That's what you remember when I mentioned earlier
that some of these you think one word art it
means this but it's totally different yeah is
this one of them this is one of them okay the
road rage part i'm gonna say broom to another
dr broom quote he said the other day he was talking
preaching about anger the other night were you
in there i think it was a wednesday night and
he said sometimes you know somebody may wave
at you and they don't have all their fingers
up or something Don't know what he meant by that
somebody will have to explain that But patience
long -suffering it means slow to anger endures
wrong So endures wrong and do I'm interested
in yeah, do you want you want to know more about
I want to know more about it I'm interested Paul
is saying we should have patience with people
who've done us wrong who've hurt us Who have
done stuff against us just like we continually
sin every day God has patience with us. He's
got a lot with me. It's kind of that same idea
that another teacher before him, an even greater
teacher, talked about turning the other cheek.
Long -suffering. Long -suffering, man. So, I
mean, currently we live in a world that's plagued
by quick fixes. You know, you can door -dash
whatever you want. You can sit at home have your
groceries delivered with Walmart Plus, you know,
you can have your medications delivered from
the pharmacy, right? Amazon Prime, you know,
two day shipping, one day if you are overnight
shipping, if you catch it fast enough, right?
We live in a world that's, we get our quick fixes,
but with long suffering, with patience, right?
God is telling us that patience, Paul, in this
case, is telling us that patience has to do with
sin and how we need to be patient with people.
When we think of patience, we're thinking of,
man, I'm losing my patience with that guy. Man,
I'm getting very impatient. I need this now.
I need it now. That's not what Paul's talking
about Paul's talking about we should be patient
with other people who've done wrong to us Just
like God is patient with us who we've done wrong
to That's good stuff I've said that a lot today.
I don't know anything else to add because I mean
we that's good We need to give others some grace
just like God gives us grace We got to give others
grace right the world needs more patient people.
I mean we live in a cancel culture world you
do one wrong thing, you're getting canceled.
After this episode goes out, we may be victims
of that. So be patient with us guys, okay? That's
the whole point of this, right? We gotta learn
to be patient with people and not be quick to
condemn, right? You know what's that popular
saying, only God can judge, right? We have no,
we can't judge people. We gotta be patient with
what they're... With what they do just like God
is patient with us That's think about the parable
of the The man owes 10 ,000 talents. Yeah. Did
you have that one in there too? Okay. Yeah Brandon
tell the story real quick. You got it, man You're
the one who's talking about it the guy who's
10 ,000 talents He forgives him and then he goes
out is like his servant and then he goes out
and he beats the crap out of his buddy hose him
like what like Five bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Five,
like a couple of days worth of wages and he owes
an insurmountable amount of money. He beats the
crap out of him and demands it now. And then
if, you know, he ends up being like condemned
to spiritual death, basically, I think that's
kind of the, yeah, the idea there, but that's,
yeah, that's what I thought about. Yeah, that's,
that's basically what the patience is. It's not
talking about that getting that quick fix. We
need to learn to be patient. It's we need to
Or with things we need to learn to be patient
with others just like god is patient with us
That's good. That's good. I think we hit patients.
That's completely counterintuitive to our flesh.
Oh, yeah We want to we want to just fall off
the handle I don't know We want to like just
go crazy on people sometimes and just like man
your fault. Well, we just have no patience in
forgiveness or just I don't know. I don't know.
I you just hit that I'm not gonna keep beating
the dead horse, but I don't know I I think what
would be probably a good antidote to that is
if we could offer some kindness. Ooh, gentleness.
I like it. And some of that type stuff. You know
how we mentioned earlier that because of love
we have all these other fruit? Yeah. Right? We
talked about that. So love is the impetus for
all of this. I would say so, you know, especially
gentleness or kindness, right? The fruit of the
Spirit is a natural result of love. Right. The
rest love is the main top priority and then everything
else kind of falls under just like your heart
or your brain in your body is probably your most...
It's above your gallbladder. Yeah, the gallbladder.
Why do we even have that? That's useless. But
when you go to eat some fried chicken, you're
probably going, you might find out from what
I've heard. I will see. I wish you the best,
man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. No, but
just like our brain and our hearts, probably
our most important part of our body. Would y
'all agree? It's the thing that without our brain,
our heart, we're not living, right? We're dead.
We're gone. We're out of this world. You know,
wait, wait, wait, which one is it? But no, that's
that's kind of how love is and just wrinkles
down but anyway, I got off target we're on kindness
now Yeah, there we are. We're on kindness To
note when God's Spirit begins to develop love
in the Christians heart treating others with
kindness compassion and forgiveness follows Right.
You can't you can't you won't have a sense of
kindness compassion forgiveness if you don't
have love If you don't have a selfless, sacrificial
love, you can't show someone compassion, kindness,
or forgiveness, because chances are you're doing
it selfishly for a gain in your life, or to gain
something. Preach. It sounds like these false
teachers commonly referred to as the... Judaizers.
That Paul was just talking about. I don't know.
It all just weaves together. Yeah, and I think
I don't think you can fully understand kindness
until you fully understand the cross And that's
kind of what this whole thing is going back to
you can't fully display kindness Until you've
seen the kindness that God has shown towards
us on a daily basis a weekly basis a monthly
basis Throughout your entire life. You're receiving
so much kindness from God And, you know, we just,
I don't know, I just think we just don't fully
understand kindness because we don't fully understand
the cross of Jesus Christ. Hey, speaking of cross,
we had a good sermon on that Sunday night. Hey,
shout out Seth Harris. Want to get him on the
podcast. Two people in the room heard it. One
did not. No, I'm going to get into the video
of it so he can listen to it. Sorry, Seth. Hope
you listen. No, but... So kindness right it's
the opposite of being harsh. It's the opposite
of being mean. It's the opposite of bullying
right? You know what's really easy? keyboard
warriors Sitting behind a screen typing away
on Twitter or ex formerly known as Twitter You
know where they can hide behind a fake profile
picture fake name, right? It's so easy to talk
to be rude to be bully somebody over the internet
because you don't have to face them in person
Y 'all agree with that? Yeah, Mike Tyson said
the Internet's what do you say you can get y
'all to used to being able to Oh, yeah smart
with people without getting punched in the face
Kindness man kindness kindness kindness right
don't weaponize people or don't love people in
truth do not weaponize The truth. Whoa, that's
good. Jesus could have condemned all of us You
know, we could all end up in the same place if
it wasn't for Jesus, correct? We would all be
in the same place if it wasn't for Jesus. Jesus
showed kindness throughout his entire life, through
all the miracles he did, throughout all his teachings.
Jesus is the best example of kindness. He's the
best example of literally all nine of these attributes,
in my opinion. There's no doubt about it. But
does anybody have any Bible story that comes
to mind or anything with kindness? I felt like
I was in a class. Does anyone have a story to
tell? I was like, teacher, call on me, you know?
All right, Brandon. I don't have one. I was just
- Yeah, you're ducking the question by doing
all that. I'm not ducking the question. What
are you talking about? I'm thinking of - I'm
trying to think of a good - Which one do you
got one in mind, Brewer? I'm trying to think
of one. Like, I mean, I just think - The Good
Samaritan. Yeah, the Good Samaritan. That's a
great parable. I mean, I think any time he -
does a miracle and heal somebody he shows kindness
or just today I read about him feeding the 5
,000 he had compassion on the people and he didn't
have to feed them it wasn't necessary for him
to feed them they could have gone to a town and
bought food somewhere but five loaves and two
fishes and he turned it into enough food for
5 ,000 men and women and children included and
I mean that just shows kindness because he thought
of the people's needs over you know what People
would have just normally said, go buy your own
food. Get out of here. Ephesians 4 .32 says,
and be kind one to another, tender -hearted,
forgiving one another, even as God, for Christ's
sake, hath forgiven you. We can get hate from
all over the world, but as Christians, we should
be the light, the light of kindness. Just like
we talked about with the joyfulness, we should
show that kindness, and that can be a chance
to bring in Bring in somebody into the faith
knowing just showing them kindness, you know,
you don't you don't know what people are going
through You don't know what your one thing that
you say to them how it can change their life
We don't know people's story what they face their
backstory All we know is what we can affect by
what we say, you know, you can alter drastically
alter somebody's life by just saying one thing
to them one kind thing, you know, you don't know
if they're gonna go home and Try to kill themselves,
you know, try to put themselves out of their
misery But you said one thing to them in the
grocery store That was kind and that changed
their whole outcome and you don't know What their
future is gonna look like or what God used you
in that before in that certain situation So we
should show kindness Every day to people regardless
if we you know, we innerly dislike them or we
really can't stand them You know, or if they're
not kind to us exactly Right, we should fight
fire with Love exactly not fire. It's not fire.
Yeah, that's good stuff. But Next many more kindness.
We're going to goodness now. I like goodness.
What a broad It could be a lot of things The
most broad attribute in this list. What is goodness
man? Like just do good. Is that is that what
this is? It's the opposite of badness Yeah, I
have a dog who's full badness 100 % bad. It's
all he is so One thing about this fruit is the
fruit of the spirit this fruit is an attribute
of action An attribute of action. Can you explain
that? Yes, so it means living one's life with
good morals and Motives as well as doing good
things for others, right? It's a action action
act is an ing You have to show goodness. You
have to do something to be good. You have to
live your life with good morals. You have to
treat people with goodness. Kindness and goodness
kind of correlate with one another. You really
can't have one and not the other. It's kind of
like a chain -link fence. It's kind of the picture
I'm getting. They're all interlocked. It's this
theological lattice work. It's kind of it's a
beautiful elegant way of saying that right it
Producing the fruit of goodness is a true mark
of godliness It also has an attractive power
and draws people to Jesus through Christian actions,
you know, just like we talked about with kindness
It all kind of correlates with one another on
those two there They're They're they're one in
the one in the same basically they just different
different forms of one's kindness one's more
of an emotion Like you're giving somebody emotion
and one's actually an action. That's good. I
guess that's the best way I can say it I've been
saying that's good this whole time and we're
talking about that's good now, but I'm a goodness.
That's good What about faithfulness? Man, and
how do we exercise faithfulness? You know what
I mean? Like what is how is that like a why why
is that a fruit of the spirit? I guess you know
like What's up with that? It's kind of an action
one too, isn't it? I mean, is it? I mean, exercising
or is this one of those that means something
completely different than what you think when
you read the word guys? I just want you to understand
on the podcast who's listening to this. This
man is sitting like a professor right now. He's
looking at us up and down. Like we're like terrible
students and I feel horrible. He is making us
feel so bad right now, but tell us, tell us what,
what does faithfulness mean, man? All right.
Think of it as in the word, uh, unwavering Not
as I have faith the size our faith size of mustardy
Camus mountains Don't think of it it that way
think of it. You're being faithful You're being
faith like you would be faithful to your wife,
you know, you wouldn't cheat on your wife You
would be loyal think of it as loyal being loyal.
That's a good one. So is that an action one or
well In a sense, I would I would say yes cuz
in a sense. Yes It could be both mental and physical,
I would say. It's a little mixture of both, right?
Faithfulness is sticking to what's true even
when life is hard. Being faithful to the Word,
trying to live it out every day and not drifting
away. Being faithful to what the Word says, not
picking and choosing what you want to follow
and what you want to set aside and be like, oh,
that's for another... Denomination or that's
for another another denomination But we love
y 'all if you listening its faithfulness is trusting
God when we don't understand when we when we
have something absolutely Something in our something
in our life that we don't understand why it's
happening or why it's happening into us Faithfulness
is trusting God throughout that entire thing
Not knowing the outcome not knowing what's going
to happen what tomorrow is gonna look like but
it's trusting God that he's gonna get you to
tomorrow It's good I'm sorry. I don't know what
else I had. I just this man came very prepared
You know, you know a great great great example
of it in the Bible There's a lot of faithfulness
in the Bible. I bet you can guess who I'm about
to talk about. Father Abraham. Had many sons.
Is that, is that, is that? No, no, no. That is,
that is a, that's a good one. That's, that's
great. Um, no, I'm actually, I'm talking about
Jesus, right? But I'm guessing, I'm guessing
you were getting with the whole Isaac situation.
The low hanging fruit, the Jesus card. He was
saying Abraham was being faithful to God by going
to sacrifice his only son. Yeah. Right. That's
how I was going. Yeah. No, I'm talking about
Jesus being staying faithful to the cross. You
know, can you imagine the emotion Jesus went
through? Yeah, I think about the Garden of Gethsemane,
the prayer. Yeah, sweat and blood. That's capularies
burst and, and he let the spice cut past from
him. Are you a doctor? What are you? I heard
that in a sermon somewhere too. Big words. Big
words. I'm not sure what it means, but. Sweating
blood. But Jesus staying faithful to the cross,
meaning He could have walked away. He didn't
have to do that, right? He had all the power
in the world. But what did he do? He stayed faithful
to God's plan. He said, not my will, but yours.
Exactly. Right? And because of that Jesus ripple
effect, after ripple effect, we all know what
a ripple effect is. Next time I preach, that's
going to be my sermon title. Ripple effect? The
ripple effect. I'm down. You don't know what
your yes, saying yes to God's, you know? Yeah.
going to do or who it's going to affect but because
Jesus stayed faithful to God's plan to put them
on the cross stayed faithful to the cross we
now you know that book the book we're holding
would be a lot lighter if Jesus walked away we
would know I don't think I'd have one if Jesus
walked away I mean we wouldn't be here sitting
talking right now I guarantee that yeah you know
pretty good so Jesus staying faithful to the
cross just like Paul staying faithful you know
when Paul and Damascus right we wouldn't have
we wouldn't be talking about the further spirit
because it wouldn't be written if Paul didn't
stay faithful to God's plan in his life when
he blinded him you know all these things people
are staying faithful to the plan has caused that
ripple effect of where we ended up right now
talking about this so 2000 years downstream no
pun intended Exactly, and we we got to know that
God grows our faithfulness so that we don't quit
in tough seasons You know if you're like recently
born -again Christian you're recently You're
recently indulging in the word right it's a lot
easier for you to turn away from it if something
happens to you That's why faithfulness is real.
It's really hard to achieve But God continually
grows it just like it's like an element of perseverance
there Yeah, exactly. Just like I talked about
a dollar general. I feel like that's what God's
continually doing throwing seeds of faithfulness
out to us. We get faithfulness popping up everywhere
just like the dollar generals. I knew I knew
there was something that was going to connect
that common or that didn't really make sense.
But now here it is exactly connected to doing
the weave the weave. It's a Donald Trump quote.
But like I said that this faithfulness that Paul's
talking about is not the faithfulness. that we
think of just having faith be like, I'm going
to have faith that that candle on the table is
going to move when I look at it. No, that's we're
talking about faithfulness, having faithfulness
to God's plan in your life and being able to
understand and discern what he's telling you
to do. That's I'm not going to say it, but you
know what I'm about to say? That is fantastic.
That is fantastic. Just like you said, a superb.
I've got to say and we got a hats off to Brewery
this guy comes so prepared. Alright next second
to last we're gonna move through these last two
pretty quick here gentleness. I did have a Bible
story for that one. Alright I'll ask you in a
sec. I was hoping you would give me a minute
because I forgot what it was. Alright so the
way a Christian engages with others is what the
fruit of gentleness is all about. Right the way
the way we interact with people is the whole
term of what gentleness means the ability to
discern when to use a gentle word or a touch
is a valuable gift of the spirit, right if we
Came in yelling to everybody, you know, you may
be just like a dog you think of a dog You can
yell you can yell as loud as you want to the
dog saying I love you You know, you're the best
dog ever, but you're yelling. They're going to
be scared because they don't understand what
you're saying, but your tone of voice and the
way your facial expressions are being illustrated,
that kind of that would deter them. But you could
also be like, I hate you so much, dog. You suck,
you know, but they'll be all wagging their tail,
all happy and excited. Because it's the way you
you come at them, right? It's the tone that you
come with and that's as Christians we're supposed
to be gentle with the way that we come with people
come to people and It's also like I said, it's
the ability to discern when to use a gentle word
or touch It's a valuable gift of the spirit especially
in tense moments, right? When unkind words or
manners are the typical first response that we
have as in our human nature is to be unkind or
to respond angrily A Christian responds with
gentleness and meekness. That is a true reflection
of Jesus and the kingdom of God. We can't claim
we're Christians if we come at people with hatred,
with wickedness, when we're being non -gentle.
If we come at people that way, we can't claim
to be Christians because we're not showing gentleness.
That's exactly what Paul just said two verses
prior. He just angered. In MIDI strife, I mean
you just named several of those you just said
so yeah, I mean look at Proverbs 15 verse 1 says
a soft answer turn at the way wrath a grievous
word stir up anger He's got all the references
today right we I mean Gentleness is using our
strength that we have the strength we have given
to us by the Spirit To help others not dominate
them not To look down on them not to hurt them
right, but to lift them up. God is gentle with
us Right. He could easily destroyed us when he
sent the flood. He didn't have to save Noah and
His family members, right? He could easily wiped
out the population No, but because God being
gentle with us showing mercy on us Is the reason
we're all here? And that gentleness that God
shows us and the gentleness that we get from
the Holy Spirit draws us closer to him. That's
good. I'm sorry, that's fantastic. I really thought
about right there when you're talking about the
way we deal with others and not putting them
down. I was thinking about because I've been
reading through First Corinthians. You always
put me down. I was thinking about that to be
honest. No, I was thinking about so at 1st Corinthians
and Paul's talking about the food laws and you're
like what where are you going with this be some
of the food laws and he says because some of
the more mature believers in Corinth were like
we can eat anything right and Paul's like well
you know what you're exactly right he said but
those who are weaker in the faith are those who
are less mature they're offended by it. and he
said so don't put them down he said become that's
what paul literally said i become all things
to all people remember that he says those let
those in us i mean another place but i think
it works he says let those of us who are mature
think this way so yeah i think it's it's putting
putting others needs in front of our wants i
think uh i think that's excellent description
of journalists You know what you just said and
what what brewers been talking about just come
just come to people with the small or discerning,
you know, we have the power to discern discern
when to come to people and with what Voice we
need to come to them with I like it. I like it
and our final one last but not least last but
not least Honestly, this this one's a tough one.
I think a lot of people like struggle If we're
gonna break down the fruit of the spirit into
nine categories, I think a lot of people will
struggle with this one Especially in our current
day self -control. I think people especially
like my generation like we talked earlier with
patients that people wanting something right
now and land of instant gratification instant
gratification like When we don't get instantly
gratified for something we It's just not good.
I don't know other word to describe it But and
I don't know I think self -control is one of
those ones that we often overlook and it's not
that big of a deal and But in the reality though,
I think it's the toughest fruit to have mastered
I guess I would I would agree with that right
I wonder if it's coincidence that Paul ended
with one of the hardest that's that's a great
thought I haven't ever thought of that one I
don't know I've I don't know well you know I
don't know if it's any there are any really coincidences
in the Bible are there I mean it's inherent so
every word in the Bible is meant It's completely
inerrant, right? So if we hold to that doctrine,
then I guess the answer is no, it's not a coincidence.
But really, it kind of encapsulates the rest
of them, doesn't it? You can't have gentleness,
faithfulness, goodness, any of those things if
you have no self -control. You can't have love.
You're not going to have peace or patience. So
yeah, I think it kind of... It's like everything
we said at the beginning at OutPorsche, like
love is like the impetus for the rest of them,
but you could, in some ways you could say that's
an element of truth to that about self control
as well. Completely counterintuitive too, by
the way. Our default setting is just to give
to every whim and emotion. Instant gratification.
Yeah, instant gratification. Because of the human
sin nature, everyone's personality has negative
impulses and qualities. Right? Yeah. Over the
over overcoming those can be a constant tug -of
-war with yourself. I would say you know Trying
to pull one side trying to overcome it while
it's pulling you back. Yeah, right. It's constant
internal tug -of -war with yourself But the good
news is right self -control means having control
over our body our mind and our desires and Also
another good thing we have freedom You do have
freedom, right? We have the freedom to do whatever
we want, right? Should we do? No, but should
we? No, but we have the freedom to do that. But
if you live with the attitude with I have the
freedom to do whatever I want to do and not whatever
God tells me to do or following the scripture.
If you live that life of freedom, I have freedom.
I can do whatever I want to do. You're leading
into a path that leads to addiction, leads to
slavery to your sin, where you're going to commit
the same sin over and over and over again. And
you're going to get to the point where you don't
even, number one, you might not even realize
it's a sin. Or number two, if you do realize
it's a sin, you're not going to have God in your
mind, you know, your conscious telling you, hey,
you need to stop that. Hey, the Holy Spirit will
stop communicating with you if you consistently
Do the same sin over and over again, right? The
Bible tells us to repent and turn from our wicked
ways How are we gonna say we're true Christians
if we repent and then two days later? We're back
to doing the same thing We repented from do we
really repent if we exactly going right back
to the same thing, right? That's the premise
of it. But the the the definition of true freedom
is Mastering your desires having self -control
exactly right that is actually true freedom because
if you cannot control some things. If you do
not have that self control in you, you truly
do not have freedom because you're a slave to
whatever you cannot control. This is so evident
in culture today and it always has been. I think
the only We talk about culture declining and
all that today. I really think human nature is
just, it has always been the same. I think it's
just with the internet, you can see it with social
media and everything in your face. But that's
like the opposite of what culture teaches you.
Right? I mean, like culture is pushing that.
Do what you want girlfriend, like all that kind
of stuff. Free to sin is freedom, right? Like
every indulgence you should be able to engage
and that's freedom. But it is, but I say it's
evident because You don't have to look very far
downstream in anybody's life that's engaging
in that, and it's total disaster. Every single
time, it's total disaster. They're miserable.
Oftentimes it ends up, literally kills them,
you know, if you go down the road far enough.
But yeah, it's completely, but again, that's
kind of, I think if you go to the extreme kind
of in that list A, our default setting, that's
where you end up. Let me ask this question, and
I don't want any response, but to you guys in
here and the people listening You all when we've
been talking about self -control You've we all
have that one thing in the back of their mind
in our mind that we know we struggle with so
Try to I would say over the next week or months
try to if you don't know Try to figure you may
not be struggling you may be oh, I'm good, but
if you do Try to cultivate that self -control
in that because you're true. Like we said, you're
truly not free Until you actually are able to
break that If you got an addiction if you're
not if you you're not truly free until you break
that because you're a slave to whatever You're
addicted to or whatever saying you keep committing,
right? We need to rely we need to learn to depend
only on God and not habits or things in our life
so That's a great That's what I got for self
-control. That's good. I honestly I'm just gonna
say this I feel like that's just a great way
to end it right there as asking that question
of if or saying the statement if If there's something
keeping you captive, you're not truly free And
ultimately the fruit of the spirit you might
think they're they're not to set you free in
this Rules with the Bible and all that kind of
stuff this book The Bible will truly set you
free not necessarily the Bible but Jesus Christ
who's in the Bible will truly set you free if
you truly commit to him and these attributes
will be in your life these nine attributes that
we have been talking about for a long time and
so I think with that I think it's a great way
to end it and so I'm just gonna we're just gonna
sign off I'm Brandon and I'm Brandon and I'm
Brewer hey and we hope you all enjoyed this episode
and we will see y 'all on the next one