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You're listening to the Christ Our Cornerstone

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podcast ministry of Christ Our Cornerstone Church

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in O 'Neill, Nebraska. I'm Pastor Logan Merrick,

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and it's our prayer that this message strengthens

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your faith and draws you closer to Christ. Let's

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dive in. All right. Hello. Welcome to the Christ

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Our Cornerstone Church podcast. This is a mailbag

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edition. Where I don't preach a sermon but I

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do answer questions that come in and today is

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kind of a special one because we got a question

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and the question that came in was one of a little

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bit more difficult one in the sense of like I

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I know that I know my limits when it comes to

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theology and creation and I happen to have a

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a someone that that specializes in this area.

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And so. Today, we're going to be talking about

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dinosaurs and specifically dinosaurs, creation,

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Noah's flood, Noah's Ark and all that stuff.

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And so I figured the best thing I can do is bring

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on my son, Noah, who loves and has studied dinosaurs

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and the flood account and all of the things.

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Here's the deal. I. Only have one microphone

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because we could not find the other microphone,

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so we're going to be swapping this microphone

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back and forth, so bear with us. So, Noah, good

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to see you. Thanks for coming into my office

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slash podcast studio, and we're going to get

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started with talking about dinosaurs. So, Noah,

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hello. Hello. And you have to probably come closer.

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I don't pull stuff off here. All right. So, Noah,

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the question came in and it said, Pastor Logan.

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That's why you could you do a podcast on dinosaurs?

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I said anything in particular, and they said,

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I'm just curious of where they fit into the Bible.

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Did they die in the flood and were they on the

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ark? So Noah, we both agree dinosaurs are in

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the Bible. We see that with in Job. Right. If

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you want to. So in the Book of Job, when it talks

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about behemoth, it describes it as it eats grass

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like an ox. It has it's super big. And most people

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are like in. biblical translators are like, oh,

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it's an elephant or a hippo. But then I don't

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remember which verse it is. It might be like

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13. It says he makes his tail like a cedar tree.

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And in my Bible, it says it's probably just an

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exaggeration. Well, how are we exaggerating that?

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But there's only one animal that God created

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that is on land that ever had a tail like that.

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So when you say your Bible says it's probably

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an exaggeration, you mean with the notes at the

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bottom, right? Not in the actual passage on the

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bottom says that the cedar tree thing is probably

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just an exaggeration, which to me, I'm like,

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why would we be exaggerating the tale of an elephant

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being like a cedar tree? But the dinosaur that

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fits that most would be like a brachiosaurus

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or any of like the long necked dinosaurs. If

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you've seen the movie Jurassic Park, it's just

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the first one that they see when they arrive

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on the island. Jurassic Park, another thing that

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you're very versed in and getting detailed about.

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You've read the book when you were in sixth grade,

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you've seen all of the movies, you collect all

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the things. So with behemoth. Behemoth could

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could behemoth also be what's what's the dinosaur?

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that has like the the like the the tail that's

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like has the the round rocks or whatever. Yeah,

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the club at the end. So that would be Anglia

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source. I think it is possible that it could

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honestly be any of the big herbivores. But just

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because of like the size, how it emphasizes like

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this thing is big, this thing is super strong,

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it's massive, it fits the long necks better.

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And specifically, I would say it's maybe a Titanosaurus,

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which was like the biggest long neck dinosaur

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that we know of. And that to me is like, I'm

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not saying like, oh, like, that's definitely

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what it is. But me and my nerd said, I'm like,

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well, this is the biggest one. I just like to

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think that this is the one that Job saw. So that's

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behemoth. And then I have talked. in service

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before about why I think Jonah was swallowed

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up by Leviathan and they believe Leviathan was

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a dinosaur is a dinosaur, right? Well, not in

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what scientifically want to be a dinosaur because

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dinosaurs are any land reptile that its legs

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are under. That's why I like chameleons, turtles.

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you will snakes don't have legs. So that's why

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they're canceled out. But their legs and limbs

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are on the sides of their bodies rather than

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under. And it also has to do with like the type

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of hip bone that they have because there's hip

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bone, like there's bird hip bones, dinosaurs,

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and then there's reptile, though a lot of the

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bird hip ones are probably just birds to begin

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with. So Leviathan. would probably be if it is

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something that is now extinct like a plesiosaurus

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which is like it has basically the body of a

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seal but a long neck in a lizard head probably

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seen or if you've seen you've seen the Jurassic

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World movie the big one in the aquatic exhibit

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that eats the sharks mosasaurus is another one

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and there's even other stuff that's just really

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massive that could very well be Leviathan. And

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because it describes it as spinning fire. If

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we take that literal that is like actually like

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that means that there were things in the water

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that could have breathes fire and even on the

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land that breathes fire. So real life dragons.

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That's pretty cool. Actually, in Isaiah, He mentions

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like flying dragons, which those would be like

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pterodactyl they'd be like pterosaurs so the

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Bible has like several areas where it touches

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on things that sound like When everybody just

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categorizes as dinosaurs So Do you think that

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when God created everything now we we let me

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go ahead and preface it like this for those that

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are listening We don't know. We weren't there

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at creation. But I know you read all the things

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in regards to dinosaurs, and you have a lot of

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feelings. You and I have many discussions on

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where we disagree on dinosaurs, the Bible. I

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do believe that the Bible does discuss dinosaurs,

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and we just differ on some other things. Do you

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think that dinosaurs were created in the creation

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account or are they created separately in the

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creation account? What do you think? So I think

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that they were made on day six just because of

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my these things were animals that existed. And

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day six, it says that God made every creeping,

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crawling beast of the field, all that stuff.

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So to me, I'm like, well, day six. And so, when

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it comes to the next part of the question, which

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was, were they in the flood, all the things,

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were they on the Ark? Because we've been to the

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Ark encounter. They do say that there were dinosaurs

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on the Ark. I asked you today, I said, I think

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it's ridiculous. I don't agree with that. You

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said, Well, dad, you're an idiot. No, he did.

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He did. He did. He did not say that. But he pushed

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back and I said, we talked about kinds, kinds

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of animals like we have wolves that ultimately

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would become a kind of dog. Right. Like so. And

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I said, well, we don't really have that with

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dinosaurs. And that's where you went in. We're

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like, well, dinosaur isn't a kind. So go into

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a little bit of that. Yes. So kind. I don't know

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what the Hebrew word is, but it We don't really

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know what it means. It's like either like family

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species genus. It could be whatever We're just

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taking it to mean like what can interbreed so

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like foxes wolves dogs They can all breed together.

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So that's why we have a dog kind dinosaurs you

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have I Guess I was talking about sauropods earlier.

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That would be like a kind but within that you

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have different types that may not have been able

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to interbreed, just like in real life, you have

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stuff that can be categorized as fish, but not

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all fish can interbreed together like a shark

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can't breed with a goldfish, but it's technically

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a fish. So I forgot the question because I was

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just. Yeah. So from there, we want to ask. Were

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they on the ark because I got us off just saying

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like you where you and I kind of disagree on

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different things I don't think they were on the

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ark you do. Why do you think they were on the

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ark and we'll go from there? Yes, so I believe

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that they were on the ark because God said take

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two of every kind of animal So that means that

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there were dinosaurs that did die in the flood

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because obviously Noah didn't take Every single

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animal that was around at the time onto the ark

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But also, I think a lot of the reason why everyone

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struggles so much with that idea is they picture

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like these massive the size of a house dinosaurs.

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But really, like it would have just they were

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juveniles. I know it wouldn't have taken grown

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adults because grown adults would have been close

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to the end of their. Peak breeding time, like

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when they could have children, it would make

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more sense if they were younger, because when

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they got off, they still would have had years

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and years and years that they could use. to have

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babies. So like most of the animals on the ark

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were like the size of a beagle. And then the

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dinosaurs were probably only like they were like

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they were teenagers. They were like maybe the

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size of a car, like a truck. They weren't they

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weren't super big. So that's why I'm like, yes,

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some did die in the flood. There's a lot of famous

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fossils that only work if they would have died

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in the flood. And the way you get a fossil is

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once it dies, it has to be buried like instantly,

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because it cannot get because oxygen scavengers

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all that would find it. And when it starts to

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decompose bones, there's little holes in your

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bones, pores in that absorbs all the dirt has

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to be like specific kind of mud. And then it

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turns basically into rock. Some of the most famous

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ones is like An ancient like fish species like

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halfway giving birth. It's like basically halfway

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out There's another one where two dinosaurs are

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fighting in both of them. It's like it was just

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in the process of giving birth they were just

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fighting like if it was something like a Meteorite

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like that was sending all this dust. They would

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have seen the giant meteorite like coming down.

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They would have known a flood. It's just like

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all this water and all this dirt because the

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Bible says that the depths burst open so that

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the ground like split apart and all the water

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like rushed out and it was raining so there's

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no time to react to that it's just like you see

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it you're dead whatever but then there were some

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that were on the ark that when they got off um

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and that's like a whole other thing if we okay

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yes so the Arc is what caused the ice age. Yeah.

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So here's where we're going with this. So the

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question then becomes, OK, so there were dinosaurs.

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We know they're fossils. We know dinosaurs existed.

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So dinosaurs were on the on the arc. Why aren't

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they here now? What would have happened to them?

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Why are they not here now? So that's where we

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get to the ice age before the flood. You think

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like, oh, like it didn't rain. It was a desert.

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Not like sand and like all that kind of desert,

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like the geographical, like little to no rainfall.

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The climate before the flood was like subtropical.

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It was like a big humidity dome. And when you

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have all this water that just was 10 ,000 feet

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of water that was over the earth, you are just

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like cooling the atmosphere. So when you get

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off, you're going to have Cool summers and you're

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going to have warm oceans, which would have allowed

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for a ton of rain, not rainfall, snowfall, five

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hundred years of snow and then seven, two hundred

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years of melt in the northern regions. So as

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they would have spread across. There would have

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been less food of the dietary things that they

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would have eaten. So all you have all these herbivores

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not having what they were used to eating. And

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when those die of hunger. You have all these

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carnivores that eat have to eat a lot of meat.

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They don't have their prey of choice anymore.

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So because of all the atmospheric change and

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then also man didn't eat meat before the flood.

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It wasn't until after the flood that God was

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like, hey, all these things, you can eat them.

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So on top of that, because I was a thing, you

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have all these other people groups that are like,

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OK, this is a big animal. Let's try eating it.

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So you're saying between the Ice Age and hunting,

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that's what killed off the remainder of the dinosaurs

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type things. What do are there anything now that

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are alive that are that that would have been

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a dinosaur? Yeah, like, like, is there something

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like, like an alligator is an alligator or crocodile

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considered a modern day dinosaur? Their legs

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are on the sides of their body. Secular scientists

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would be like, yeah, it's birds. But because

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we don't believe that dinosaurs evolved into

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birds, there is no living thing that is a dinosaur,

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which is also why, like, if you know anything

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about, like, Clauss's genesis, Genetics, they're

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trying to bring back the mammoth. The only reason

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that they can do any of the stuff that they're

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doing is because it has a modern descendent.

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They're using Indian elephants, the dire wolves

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are using wolves. And even though it's not a

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full thing, it's like point like zero two percent.

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Not exactly, but it's like barely anything of

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that animal. The reason why we can't do the same

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for dinosaurs is because we don't have a modern

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dissonant dinosaurs. That makes sense. That makes

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a lot of sense. OK. I think we've pretty much

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kind of covered. I mean, is there any final thoughts

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that you're like, yeah, in a matter of 20 minutes,

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we have tried to answer the question. So, yes,

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dinosaurs were in the Bible. Yes, dinosaurs lived

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with man like they weren't two different. uh

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um times in in in the in the timeline you know

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uh um like we know that dinosaurs and man were

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together i don't remember fossil wise i think

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that we have found some stuff where it's like

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uh modern animals that existed with man that

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in the secular worldview didn't exist until man

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did or in the same fossil layer as dinosaurs,

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which for us, if you start at the bottom of fossil

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layer, you have all these aquatic animals and

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you slowly go up, man's at the top. Well, in

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the case of a flood, if you slowly go up, it's

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the animals in the upper layers could have gotten

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higher to avoid the floodwaters. I'm but also

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even like in like the Middle Ages in Marco Polo,

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Marco Polo, despite having some Time starts like

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oh, no, he was exaggerating. He was a liar like

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said that when he was on his journey He saw like

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essentially a velociraptor in a cave hissing

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at him. There's like cave drawings like on the

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Indians have stuff of Dinosaurs, I think it's

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the Indians that have like a dinosaur like spinning

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something. I'm pretty sure the Egyptians have

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stuff People in Peru like and cultures all over

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the world have like these cave drawings or carvings

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or images of stuff that looked like dinosaurs.

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So. Real fast. We just need to discuss the difference

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between macro evolution, micro evolution, because

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we believe in micro evolution. We don't believe

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in macro evolution. So explain the difference

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between macro and micro. So micro evolution is

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where it stays in the same species. It's actually

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what Charles Darwin had originally proposed.

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If you look at his origin of species, the famous

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finches, that's micro evolution. It was still

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a finch. It was just a tiny change in the beak.

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So going back to like wolves and wolves becoming,

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you know, we can go foxes and dogs and They can

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stay within their kind, but it's not like macro

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evolution. And they use like for the micro like

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farming stuff, it'd be like if when a cow goes

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to a colder climate, if it starts developing

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like. A thicker, thicker coat or thicker hooves

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like that is micro because it's still a cow.

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Macro is what like the most popular form of evolution

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is, which is like. The goo turned into a fish

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which turned into a frog which turned into a

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monkey which turned into a man like completely

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different species and there is like there is

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no modern day or ever evidence like oh yeah this

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thing could become this thing which is why like

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it really struggles for like a hypothesis because

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you have to actually be able to like witness

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it for you to be like yeah like this makes sense.

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because science has to be observable and evolution

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is not observable. And even if you were to create,

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try to recreate it all, it's still man being

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able to control all of the factors to be. So

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we don't, that's why we don't believe in macro

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evolution. Okay. Hopefully that helps briefly

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just kind of answer just those three questions

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of Yes, there were dinosaurs in the Bible. Yes,

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they were part of creation story. Yes, they were

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in the flood and there were some on the arc.

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Anything else you want to share? All right. Well,

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if you guys do have any other questions in regards

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to that or if it sparks more, please let us know.

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I'm sure Noah would love to come back. Thanks

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so much for listening. My name is Pastor Logan

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Merrick and I get the chance to pastor the local

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church, Christ our cornerstone church. In O 'Neill,

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Nebraska, we would love to have you if you are

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ever in the area. Looking forward to this Sunday

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as I will continue part two to my sermon that

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was from this past Easter, which was about Christ,

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Lord, liar or lunatic. Have a great rest of your

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week. We'll see you Sunday. Bye bye.
