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No ID is meant for a sane audience. No ID may

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contain Liberty -oriented content. Pinko discretion

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is advised. Now, here's No ID with Paul Banducci

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and Scott Moskowitz. Hey, the man's right. Welcome

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back to No ID, Idaho's mainstream media and narrative

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deconstruction. I'm Scott. Hello internet, I'm

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Paul. What a beautiful day. We have special guests

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with us today Scott break it down Whoa, and I

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didn't even initiate this one unlike that. It

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actually hasn't been a guest on this program

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This is episode 43 of no ID today Not since episode

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2 has there been a guest on this program where

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we we we announced that oh, hey We're starting

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this podcast here and we're gonna it's gonna

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be Paul and me and we're gonna deconstruct the

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mainstream media and then right out of the gate

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guest Guest and but no guests since so today

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Scott told me what the business model was and

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I said that sounds great What if we don't do

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that? Now today Tyler Cain is joining us Tyler

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Cain is the man and be quickly becoming a myth

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and legend behind D flock, Idaho But before we

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hit the record button here We were sort of you

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know having a conversation among ourselves about

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how well what about Motorola? What about this?

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Why is everyone so should it actually be D fuck,

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Idaho? That's funny. Yeah. So my name is Tyler

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Kane. Thanks for having me guys. Yeah, it should

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be, it really should be no ALPR Idaho. I just

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haven't wanted to change the name yet because

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Flock is like the name brand. I know we were

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talking about, you know, Mountain Dew versus

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Dr. Thunder. Well, as we all know, man, substance

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doesn't matter. It's straight up marketing. You

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got to just, you know, so marketing is what matters.

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There you go. Anti -ALPR. Yeah. It doesn't have

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the same ring to it. Just doesn't ring. Right.

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I mean, they call it a flock for a reason, right?

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So we're calling it deflock for a reason. I mean,

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what, what reason did they, I mean, so what,

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we're all a flock of sheep. Is that it? Like,

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what is even, or is it an acronym? I'm, I guess

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I'm sort of ignorant on it. I don't know. I mean,

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whoever I. I feel like they really screwed themselves

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when they chose the name flock like people aren't

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going to be upset being called, you know, these

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flock cameras, these flock of sheep cameras.

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Right. And basically, we talk about a lot on

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this program where there's a lot of the naming

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schemes and even down to some of the actual names

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of people like the drag performer that was suing

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summer Bushnell is Eric Posey, like the poser

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is posing as a what like there's a lot of this

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that goes on where it's like It feels quite deliberate,

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like the reptiles running the simulation or just

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messing with us. Oh, dude. Representative Handy,

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Governor Little. We can't write this as well

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as they do. This is, hey, Tyler, this is Representative

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Handy. I've seen people in every way, shape or

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form all over the world going to the bathroom.

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That guy's last name is Handy. Handy. And this

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there's a bazillion examples of this sort of

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thing. So I don't know flock. They really screwed

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themselves They couldn't have picked a more ridiculous

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name No, I mean another one. That's funny is

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So axon was called taser, but then they put on

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They put a taser on a drone and everyone got

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pissed So they had they fired a bunch of business

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executives and then they changed their name because

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everyone was so mad about their taser That's

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fantastic. They didn't change what they do. I

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think would an idiot do that they didn't change

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it yeah they just changed the name not what they're

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actually doing no no they're still they're still

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doing the same thing yeah i told you marketing

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marketing is what matters it's like with taxation

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they go hmm what should we call it should we

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call it theft no no sounds too rude let's call

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it taxation oh yes oh very good very good OK,

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now, before we get into some flock, we got lots

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of flock clips, as you might imagine. I when

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we were speaking also before the show here about

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Mayor Randy Westland and Tyler, you just had

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like a recent conversation with Post Falls Mayor

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Randy Westland. I think you've been speaking

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with a lot of sort of political figures, bureaucrats,

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politicians across the state in recent months.

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And so I want to play this based on what you

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just said, Paul, with regard to tax and Randy

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Westland, because you said, Tyler, like, well,

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I will you. You tell us what your sort of impression

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of Mayor Westland was. He seemed like a decent

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guy. I mean, he took the time to talk to me.

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I think there's some misinformation and it's

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exactly what we were just saying with, you know,

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Mountain Dew versus Dr. Thunder where people

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are against flock. And Randy Westland came out

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saying. Hey, I'm against flock. I stand for people's

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rights. We don't use flock. We use Motorola and

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So it was definitely and people fell for it they're

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like, oh great. Yeah celebrate Randy But Motorola

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operates the same and if and the things that

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Motorola does You know as far as with with the

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way they use data You know allowing they give

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it to other companies to use Anyways, and even

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Motorola can use just standard cameras. They

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can integrate them so any camera can become an

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ALPR camera And so I just I found it funny and

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I talked to him and I think maybe he had some

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you know Clarity in that but I don't know if

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he's moving forward with anything To get rid

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of them. I know they're gonna put some sort of

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like transparency portal or something together,

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and then invite the community to discuss it.

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So I guess as much as you can ask for. Transparency

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portal that just for clarity sake, is that something

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and then you say the public is that something

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as a transparency portal something that you and

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I and Scott, you know, john q public that we

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can log on to and quote unquote, like, see what

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the elite pedo lizard people are up to? As they're

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watching us like, is this is this us getting

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the chance to watch them watch us? Is that what

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that is? No, usually a lot of times these portals

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and I don't know the scale of what they're doing

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with with flock. You used to be able to see like

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searches that were being done in the amount of

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searches with with some of them. Some of them

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you still can. But but a lot of them have moved

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away from that. So if you go into like the website,

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have I been flocked dot com? That way, that's

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a real website. It aggregates a lot of that data

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from those transparency portals and stuff that

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people get from like public records. And it's

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just like the searches that are being done. But

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I think he was going to put together like the

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contract, you know, maybe how it's being used,

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you know, any policies, something simple. But

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he seems open to doing, you know, if the community

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doesn't want him, he seemed open to. you know

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trying to get rid of them the thing is is at

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the end of the day the mayor uh really has no

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say you know comes down to the city council um

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or or even you know the police department themselves

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yep or whatever contracts they're working under

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that are that are you know um what's the word

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i want that are predicate that predicate them

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i mean yeah figurehead well and but sometimes

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like here in wilder the the cameras were put

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in with just between the police chief and the

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mayor. The police chief said, oh, I have some

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extra money. I'm going to go buy cameras that

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come below the procurement requirement. There

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was just in Kentucky, there's one of the sheriffs

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there. I can't remember which county it was.

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I was just watching the meeting yesterday. But

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essentially, the sheriff just kept coming under

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the procurement requirement, which is like 20

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,000. But he did it so many times that by the

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time they're done, they're spending 200 ,000

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on, on flock cameras. It was kind of like structuring

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with your, with your money with structuring is

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if you don't make deposits that are 10, like

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$10 ,001, the IRS goes ping and they watch you.

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But if you do, you know, 9 ,987 for some reason,

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it's not as big of a deal. Why didn't you pick

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this one? I was like, I was looking forward to

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it. And then all of a sudden you veered off into

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like nine, seven. I don't have the sound drop

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you have the sound drop you did good Scott. I'm

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proud of you I want to play this this is from

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creme channel to you'll soon be paying more for

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your property tax in post falls the City Council

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approved a 4 % property tax increase as well

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as a 3 % increase that means for a $650 ,000

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home for example you'll pay about $25 more for

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the first year of the increase our news partners

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at the Coeur d 'Alene press report that inflation

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and population growth is most likely to blame

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for the tax hike mayor Randy Westland says the

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city is also planning to make some cuts you can

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see the city's plan on their website Listen one

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more time to that report that inflation and population

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growth is most likely inflation. Inflation and

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population growth. So just like covid forced

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the racketeer to close while allowing Home Depot

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to continue operating. Prohibition caused organized

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crime. Inflation caused rent control. Violent

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video games caused Columbine. 9 -11 caused the

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Patriot Act. Terrorism caused great grandmothers

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to have to take off their shoes at airport security.

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The city's budget caused tax increases. AI caused

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all those employees to be fired and crime is

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crime is causing. the installation of ALPRs and

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spoons made Oprah fat. I think these ALPRs are

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what's driving these tax increases because these

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never existed really in the state but before

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2023. So like Nampa for instance since they first

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started putting them in in 22, well 22 I guess,

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so in 22 but from 22 to now they've spent six

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million dollars so in four years they spent six

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million dollars. And so, and so now the police,

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the police are saying, we need money. We need

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money. We want, and they're trying to put a $5

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million levy. And, and it's like, well, you spent

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6 million to stalk people. I mean, the, we need

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money refrain is, is not new at all. Right. But

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every year it just, it gets bigger and bigger

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and bigger. What did you guys spend your Schmeckles

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on last year? Oh, uh, watching you. Surveillance.

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Now we need more. Money. Well, think about every

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time you get like a new like a new subscription,

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right? There's so many streaming services. You

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can only get so many. Right. And so as they continue

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with mass surveillance, they're just extending

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their budget, extending their budget. I'd much

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rather see, you know, us pay officers a decent

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amount of money, not, you know, talk to everyone.

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We need money for neither. How about I keep my

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money and if I want security I'll pay for security

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and then you know then I don't have road pirates

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harassing me on the road because I violate some

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arbitrary bullshit law I didn't vote for or agree

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to like five miles over the speed limit. Yeah,

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yeah, good stuff like that. Paul is a wild -eyed

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anarchist, Tyler, just so you know. Yeah, I'm

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a crazy person. I believe in peacefully existing

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free trade. Don't hurt people. Don't take their

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stuff. It's pretty nutso over here. Yeah, I think

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you should try and follow Melissa Wintrow's advice,

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Paul, rather than thinking like that. We all

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just pay our fair share, right? This is from

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NPR. First up this morning, Idaho began its new

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fiscal year in July, and tax collections last

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month came in higher than predicted, but a little

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less compared to a year ago. Here's James Dawson

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to break down the numbers. Idahoans and visitors

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shelled out far more than anticipated at the

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checkout line last month. The state raked in

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about 15 % more in sales tax than in July 2025,

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accounting for nearly half of the state's revenue.

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personal income tax collections are up slightly

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compared to the state's official forecast by

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about 15 million. They got more of our labor

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than we anticipated. They're up slightly compared

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to the state's official forecast by about 15

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million dollars. That's nearly 25 percent lower

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than last July's collections though. But fear

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not, citizen, it's less. We took more from you,

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but fear not, it's less. Do you remember the

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good times last July? Miscellaneous revenue chipped

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in an extra $15 million over expectations. Overall,

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the state took in $361 .8 million last month,

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which is slightly higher than economists predicted.

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Governor Little is telling state agencies to

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make do with flat budgets for a second year in

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a row to accommodate significant tax cuts. We

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took in more and you have to make do with what

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you got. Use what you already have. To accommodate

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significant tax cuts made over the last several

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years and a post COVID economy. James Dawson.

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Post -COVID economy. Okay. So again, COVID caused

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the economy, all of the agency being laundered

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out of the language by the media as a media deconstruction

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program. We always like to point out how agency

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and decision -making and actual policy All of

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these inanimate objects create policy according

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to how the media frames these stories on behalf

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of the state. Yeah man if we were out there hunting

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like we could we could kill all of these things

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just by saying they inflation it was coming right

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at us. I had to put it down. Let's do some flock

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stuff. This is now a non Idaho affiliate of Fox.

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This is Fox 31 Denver. A Denver woman says that

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she was wrongfully accused of theft after police

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tracked her car using flat cameras. Now, the

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camera system has been a point of controversy

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over privacy concerns, but it's been a praise

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tool by police who have used it successfully

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to track down suspects and make arrests. But

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after the system was used to accuse her of a

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crime, one woman is warning everyone to have

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cameras of their own. Fox 31's Anna Kuhn sat

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down with her and has her story tonight. Anna?

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Hey guys, well the Columbine Valley Police Chief

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has since voided the court summons against this

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woman, but she says she never should have been

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accused in the first place. She says her car

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was never at the address where that package was

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stolen. You know we have cameras in that now

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Paul. This is you sent me this few couple few

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weeks ago, or maybe it's two weeks ago. I wanted

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to wait for Tyler to be on this and this is Tyler

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on this one. You sent me the reason TV had the

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actual like body cam footage of this incident

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that's being covered here on Fox 31 Denver. So

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this is the the news affiliate playing little

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snippets of that exchange, which you say I have

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the whole thing, but we might not need to play

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it. But listen to some of the reason is a yeah,

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they're a libertarian think tank slash news agency,

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basically. So everything comes from a liberty

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minded angle. And they're they're on point, though.

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They get their facts right. They get their shit

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straight. Just like. Well, just like libertarian

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think tanks tend to do. And I think everything

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you need to know about how law enforcement operates,

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how the government in general behaves, and how

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surveillance is bad. Okay, all in one sound clip

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here all in one basically issue that a citizen

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has already experienced everything you need to

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know. You know, we have cameras in that town.

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You can't get a breath of fresh air in or out

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of that place without us knowing, correct? You

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can't breathe. On September 27th, the Columbine

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Valley police officer came to Chrisanna Elser's

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door and issued her a summons to appear in court,

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accusing her of stealing a $25 package in the

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town of Beaumar. The officer said he had doorbell

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video of the theft and had tracked her car in

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the area using flock cameras. It is locked in.

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There is zero doubt. I wouldn't have come here

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unless... Zero doubt. One hundred percent. The

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only problem with this case, she wasn't there

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and she had the evidence to prove it. Dash camera

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video. Boy, good thing this innocent woman had

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to prove her innocence, right? Because she was

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guilty until she proved her innocence. One hundred

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percent lock. You sure about that? dash camera

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video from her car. A log of her location from

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Google Maps and doorbell video of her walking

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into her tailors house when the package was stolen.

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He just kept telling me that any evidence I had

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wasn't worth it because you have not been honest

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with me, so I'm not going to extend you any courtesy

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of showing you a video when I don't mean when

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I can show you videos. After a few weeks, Elsa

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was able to get in touch with the police chief

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who wrote her in an email quote after reviewing

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evidence you have provided. done by the way we

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have voided the summons that was issued she shouldn't

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have needed to prove her innocence and worries

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flock cameras can paint a picture police will

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rely too heavily on they need to be used properly

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versus we're now going to use this to accuse

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anybody and everybody We did reach out. Okay,

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hold on real quick. This lady just experienced

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this and is drinking, I guarantee you she's a

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leftist. She has to be a leftist or I guess maybe

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a neocon because they drink the other, the blue

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Kool -Aid, the deep blue Kool -Aid. So she could

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be either a neocon or a hardcore leftist. They're

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both kind of the same. They love authority and

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boot leather. They just argue over the flavor

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of the boot leather. But the fact that this lady

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goes through this and comes out on the other

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side and says, you see, the only issue here is

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that it just wasn't used properly on me. And

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that's the beef I've got. I mean, my God, how

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could you come out of this experience and not

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be like, and we need to hacksaw all of these

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motherfucking machines down right now. So I've

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been bringing up the argument that so when you

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look at flock flock safety, right? So at first

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you think it's a safety tool and then once you

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boil it down even further then you're like, okay

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Well, it is a surveillance tool, but it's really

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not even a surveillance tool It's a pre -crime

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tool because it's investigating Everyone absent

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everyone every person that that travels it is

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investigating without any probable cause or a

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warrant and so it is a pre -crime tool it's not

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even a surveillance tool and so it can't be used

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correctly we can't um and we can't even put you

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know guard rails guard rails are a mute point

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you can't put guard rails when tyranny is a software

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patch away um well you got a lot to unpack there

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tyler too because you've got like like what we

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talk about with um with public education is something

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that comes up a lot. I'll use that as another

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example when you say, well, it can't be used

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correctly, yada, yada, yada. I would make the

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same argument for, damn near anything the government

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does. But education is a great one where people

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go, it's broken. And I say, no, it's not broken.

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It's doing exactly what it's designed to do.

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That's this mass surveillance network they're

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setting up with Flock, Motorola, Axon, you name

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it, whatever name brand or bottom shelf brand.

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It's doing exactly what it's designed to do.

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And it has nothing to do with safety, like you're

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saying. It's too bad that a tyranny is a software

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patch away. It's slightly long for a show title,

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but it's strong. I like it I want to get your

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I want to get your thoughts Tyler on this this

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take is from the no agenda show the mothership

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Sir, Ducifer guest hosting with Adam Ducifer

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had a really interesting take on could you mention

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hacksawing these things down and why this poor

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lady this sufferer of Stockholm syndrome who

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has this happen to her and thinks that the Kidnappers

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just weren't quite giving her the right mutton

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and meat. I don't know If only we had used this

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violence with just the right people using just

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the right amount of violence and just the right

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way, then we'd be all right. Yeah, if the tyranny

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had just a slightly different software patch.

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Anyway, this is Deucifers take on the whole,

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you know, the hacksawing of the flock cameras

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and the or the backing of trouble. We've done

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it on this program and it seems to sort of be

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like a meme or whatever the people are destroying

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or taking down. flock cameras themselves, vigilante

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justice. Ducever's take was that that in itself

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is an op. Well and if they want to track you

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they're already tracking you through... the phone

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you carry around. And they're posting their fears

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on Instagram and TikTok, which is the literal

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Skynet. No, they're posting their crimes. They're

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like, let's cut down these flock cameras, which

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I think is, I was going to say this after I played

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some of these clips, but that's the psy -op of,

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hey, go cut down your local flock camera. Nothing

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will happen. I'm like, there's somebody running

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this thing to create a flock protection system.

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That is going to become really bad. You know,

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like right now it's just vandalism. Well, now

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it's going to be, Now you're messing with infrastructure

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and it's going to be some weird thing where they

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turn it around and go, now we're going to get

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you and it's 20 years in prison for touching

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a flat camera. That's what I think. Well, that's

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an interesting take. Well, that's where it leads.

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It always leads to that. We got to create something

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protected. So this is the surveillance system

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that we're creating or who's creating, we don't

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know, but there's other. Companies out there

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other than flock. Oh, yeah that are doing the

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same thing. How about how about and we don't

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hear about how about Amazon with the ring doorbells?

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Which everyone gladly put on their on their home

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Right and now they're clairvoyant. They can see

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in boxes So, what do you think about that that

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the whole you know destroy your local flock camera

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that that in itself is being run for? The purpose

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that ducifer just stated Sorry are you to say

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like What to try to promote other other brands?

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Well, I mean well That's funny that I don't know

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actually he was saying he's saying that it's

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to that's funny Maybe it is being it's being

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that's an op being run by Motorola That's really

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funny. No, I think ducifer is saying that it's

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being run by Who I don't know whatever set of

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reptiles such that oh, it's gonna allow for oh,

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there's gonna be special legislation There's

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gonna be this in this past so that like now these

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are specialty crimes that carry massive fines.

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And it'll make it impossible to touch this infrastructure.

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Yeah, I don't think so. I think people are generally

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just upset. Right. And and I'm not advocating

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for just going out. I think we're not quite to

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the point of, you know, just ripping down cameras

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or, you know, destroying infrastructure. And

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I think it does kind of harm our cause to a point

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where, you know, Where you're saying? Yeah, there

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might be legislation. There was actually a story

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out of it was in Claremont County Well, what

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is this Union Township? I think which state this

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was But the guy the guy a grand jury failed to

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indict him for cutting down cameras Almost like

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a jury nullification But you know, it's already

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a felony down here in Idaho the Flock intentionally

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sets the value at $1 ,500 to replace them and

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at the $1 ,500. So that is a felony. So that

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is, so that's a felony. Um, so there's already

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strict laws against it. They may try to push

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something else. I hope they just get rid of them,

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right? That would be the solution would be to

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legislate, to get rid of them, to ban them, to

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stand for the constitution and the fourth amendment,

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not to, you know, Not funny, Tyler. Yeah, I mean

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we have some interest. There seems to be some

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interest to do something and I'm hoping that

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they do the right thing and realize that you

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can't. You can't fix this. There's no. There's

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no safe way to implement this. I have a comment

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and then a question. First, I think, unfortunately,

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I don't think there's any hope on this. I really

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don't. Now, I'm a pessimist by trade, and I usually

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win because of that. But I think what they'll

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do is go the opposite direction. And it's only

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a matter of time before, even at the federal

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level, they will classify it as an act of terror.

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You will be labeled a domestic terrorist if you

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touch any of these surveillance systems, anything.

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Because if there's one thing we know about the...

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Yeah, yeah, and it's so I mean that's not an

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op that's not a Psy op that's just Do you notice

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things? To have you paid attention to the last

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I don't know 10 ,000 years of how the government

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works But especially the last hundred years now

00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.640
the technology has made it possible for them

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to insert themselves into every single minute

00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.799
of every day of our lives You know, that's that's

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one of the big differences between I guess modern

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history or modern life and the last 10 ,000 you

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know, years of history, is now the government

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really has the tools to do this to us. So I think

00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:45.480
it's only a matter of time before, yeah, you're

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now you're a domestic terrorist, just like they've

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done with everything else. It's interesting,

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because, you know, every time, and I think a

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lot of people don't realize any law or even,

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you know, just, you know, penalties, but everything

00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.440
the government does bears the full weight of

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the government. And that's the exact position

00:25:03.740 --> 00:25:05.579
that that that one lady we're talking about stealing

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a stealing a box, right? They shouldn't even

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steal Amazon box, but the government goes in

00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:12.539
with their full weight of their flock cameras

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and says you did this 100%. And so and so yeah,

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I mean, hopefully they don't come. Hopefully

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they don't come out with, you know, not hopefully

00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.680
that they don't come out with a law saying it's

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.220
terrorism to do this. But I think it's terrorism

00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.480
to put the cameras up to start with. I think

00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.839
it's terrorism on the people, you know. Sure,

00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.599
with tyranny, but again, we're beating what's

00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.660
basically a dead horse. We're like, what? We're

00:25:37.660 --> 00:25:40.839
1 % of the population that actually cares. There's

00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.259
50 % that pay lip service. There's maybe, I don't

00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:45.380
know, 20 % that do slightly more of the lip service.

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And then there's like 1 % of us that are like,

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yeah, we could actually maybe do something about

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this. I don't want to be on the list. It only

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took 3 % for the American Revolution. Sure, but

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hey, I mean you're not wrong and I think a movement

00:26:00.019 --> 00:26:01.980
can be you know Things can be more effective

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.660
than people think but it can feel pretty lonely

00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:11.359
So then my question is Which I actually just

00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.619
forgot because we ran down a couple other trails

00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:15.680
damn it it was a damn good question You'd think

00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.599
about it Well, you you you you ponder it if you'd

00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.960
like it was something to do with Idaho and the

00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:23.420
flock stuff and it was actually gonna bring it

00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:26.259
back home here, but Damn, he was going to land

00:26:26.259 --> 00:26:27.799
the plane and now we just have to do a hold.

00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.220
I was. Yeah. He had me circle around the runway

00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.779
a couple of times and then I ran out of fuel

00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:35.980
and I crashed and burned. Thanks. The ground

00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:37.700
proximity warning system is going off. What should

00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:42.039
we do? Maintain the holding pattern that Claremont

00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.180
County, by the way, is in Ohio. You were thinking

00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:46.259
of, I think, Tyler. Oh, yeah. Cincinnati area.

00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:49.680
Yeah. So let's play while Paul is considering

00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.460
trying to remember what his amazing question

00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:54.319
was. Oh, I remember. I remember one of the things

00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.319
was kind of back to the terrorism thing. When

00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.339
Tyler mentioned the full weight and force of

00:26:59.339 --> 00:27:01.599
the state, one of the other things I wanted to

00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:04.359
mention is that if you want to really feel the

00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.960
full weight and force of the state, you just

00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.920
make an attack on them or a perceived attack.

00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.839
So like the fellow who smashed a couple of windows

00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.220
at the Kootenai County building. They ring them

00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:17.359
up for domestic terror. That's a Ryan McClintock

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.059
I don't know if you saw any of this Yeah, rather

00:27:19.059 --> 00:27:20.779
when it was out back and I think about April.

00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:22.900
I guess I'll go arrest Bob Norris my fucking

00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:24.940
soul Did you see any of that story and the guy

00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:26.960
took a baseball bat? I've seen some of it because

00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.299
I've done some videos with Dan Wilson. So I've

00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:35.500
heard some okay. I'm not super Educated on the

00:27:35.500 --> 00:27:38.259
topic, but I know I know that it happened Yeah,

00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.220
well, you don't need to be for what we're discussing.

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.779
Basically, the concept is that a citizen, whether

00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:45.519
they're in their right mind or not, makes an

00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.000
attack on the government, any branch of government,

00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:50.440
perceived or real attack, it doesn't matter.

00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:52.980
The state will always, that's when you really

00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:55.240
feel the full force of them. So with this issue

00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.400
with the cameras, with the security system, that's

00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.880
why I'm saying, yeah, it's a matter of time before

00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.339
we go from being felons to domestic terrorists.

00:28:03.859 --> 00:28:06.180
And either way, They're not happy when we touch

00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.059
their toes. I'm sure we're probably they make

00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:12.819
us pay for Of course we are For your work with

00:28:12.819 --> 00:28:15.420
the flock we are for all the memes we post. I

00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:18.339
mean, you know, we're We're enemies of each of

00:28:18.339 --> 00:28:21.400
us has a fed boy. I guarantee it. Oh, well what

00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.359
I just saw was the there was this case it was

00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.779
I can't remember her name, but the in It was

00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:31.740
in New York. She was threatening to like destroy

00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:36.900
the New York like the state house and but the

00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:40.539
but the FBI started talking to her in chats and

00:28:40.539 --> 00:28:43.119
then like coaxed her into wanting to do this

00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.420
there's like pictures of of them have like pictures

00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:48.460
of her at Home Depot that they took like standing

00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:50.799
over her at the checkout stand because they drove

00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.880
her to Home Depot to buy ingredients for for

00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.190
an inert bomb This is Tyler you're talking about

00:28:57.190 --> 00:29:01.549
Jessica Bowie from Albany and she was Arrested

00:29:01.549 --> 00:29:03.630
like but the Isis inspired plot against the New

00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:05.150
York State Capitol in Albany. Is that who you're

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:09.470
talking about? Yeah, yeah the exactly that but

00:29:09.470 --> 00:29:12.190
but what's funny is is it was all it was all

00:29:12.190 --> 00:29:14.789
the FBI the FBI holder held her hand through

00:29:14.789 --> 00:29:17.750
the whole thing It's like the definition of an

00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:20.430
entrapment. Yep. There's a name for it. The phenomenon

00:29:20.430 --> 00:29:23.150
is called the six -week cycle And it happens

00:29:23.150 --> 00:29:25.329
all the time and we've covered it on this program

00:29:25.329 --> 00:29:27.690
and not in a while They'll they'll find some

00:29:27.690 --> 00:29:30.009
18 year old kid with a bad mustache and they'll

00:29:30.009 --> 00:29:31.730
they'll sit they'll have operatives talking to

00:29:31.730 --> 00:29:33.910
him for a year and the operatives will walk him

00:29:33.910 --> 00:29:36.289
through buying Explosives and then at the last

00:29:36.289 --> 00:29:38.390
second they'll tackle him and zip tie him and

00:29:38.390 --> 00:29:40.109
show how they thwarted it. That's called the

00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:44.079
six -week cycle It's well documented. Yep Because,

00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:47.119
ladies and gentlemen, we got him. We got him.

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.039
They arrest that lady. And then what was funny

00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.779
is the FBI goes up there, and they're like, there's

00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:56.799
this clip, and it's the, whoever is in charge

00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.220
of that FBI office, and he's like... He's up

00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:01.440
there. He's like, yeah, and those cameras what

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.119
are the name of them again? They oh flock those

00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.039
cameras really helped us in this investigation

00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.339
But it's like they told the person they told

00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.319
the person to meet them and when when they met

00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.359
them They they like she got out of the car and

00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.759
they tackled her, you know We got her we caught

00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:21.440
her with the flock cameras But like that in a

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.829
nutshell lady up You should set this lady up.

00:30:25.029 --> 00:30:27.130
Behold your government. This is how it behaves.

00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:30.269
It makes me think of the plot to kidnap the Michigan

00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:33.390
governor back in 2020, Whitmer. Gretchen Hitler,

00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:37.509
yeah. Yeah, Gretchen Hitler. That was a big thing

00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:40.529
back in, I think it was October of 2020. But

00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:42.630
it turns out it was all the fucking FBI putting

00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:45.210
it together. A couple of people who were pretty

00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.930
pissed off about... living under a tyrant who

00:30:47.930 --> 00:30:50.509
started to mumble about it. And the FBI gets

00:30:50.509 --> 00:30:51.690
involved and goes, hey, you know what we should

00:30:51.690 --> 00:30:54.289
do? Let's go kidnap the governor. And they're

00:30:54.289 --> 00:30:56.490
like, well, we hadn't thought of that. But let's

00:30:56.490 --> 00:30:59.309
do it. OK. And then they all get their asses

00:30:59.309 --> 00:31:02.609
thrown in jail. Yeah. This is from are you going

00:31:02.609 --> 00:31:04.490
to I got it right here. I want to tell you can

00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:06.890
hear this is from episode three of this program

00:31:06.890 --> 00:31:09.980
entitled. Sorry, excuse me, titled flame sword

00:31:09.980 --> 00:31:14.880
from April 2024. The shocking arrest of an 18

00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.519
year old in Coeur d 'Alene for allegedly planning

00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.599
terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS. Alexander

00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.440
Mercurio pleaded not guilty to providing material

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.140
support to ISIS in a federal courtroom today.

00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.019
He is now set to go to trial at the end of May.

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.660
Alexander Mercurio was ar for allegedly planning

00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:41.650
to Messages uncovered by the FBI show Mercurio

00:31:41.650 --> 00:31:45.009
allegedly planned to use weapons, including firearms,

00:31:45.170 --> 00:31:48.430
knives and a flame sword to kill as many people

00:31:48.430 --> 00:31:51.150
as possible. An indictment filed in this case

00:31:51.150 --> 00:31:54.089
says Mercurio is charged with attempting to provide

00:31:54.089 --> 00:31:57.210
material support to a designated foreign terrorist

00:31:57.210 --> 00:32:00.869
organization. He pleaded not guilty to this and

00:32:00.869 --> 00:32:03.490
denied the criminal forfeiture allegation, which

00:32:03.490 --> 00:32:05.849
means he does not want the court to seize his

00:32:05.849 --> 00:32:10.529
property if convicted. Coeur d 'Alene Mayor Jim

00:32:10.529 --> 00:32:13.289
Hammond says the 18 year olds alleged plans are

00:32:13.289 --> 00:32:17.289
not tolerated in the community Not tolerated

00:32:17.289 --> 00:32:21.869
living in North, Idaho Crazy to think that they

00:32:21.869 --> 00:32:25.430
could get any sympathy from anybody else Regarding

00:32:25.430 --> 00:32:30.369
Isis or any support for any kind of similar organization?

00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:32.109
All right. All right. We got it's good cause

00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.920
Yeah, but uh the other one I was gonna refer

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.240
to was a few years further back was well when

00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.539
they Arrested a bunch of quote -unquote proud

00:32:40.539 --> 00:32:44.660
boys who were gonna disrupt a pride event Which

00:32:44.660 --> 00:32:46.059
is actually kind of ironic when you think about

00:32:46.059 --> 00:32:49.900
it the proud boys disrupting a pride event in

00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:54.240
Coeur d 'Alene and they arrested a box truck

00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.759
full of them and it turns out a bunch of them

00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.519
were Not real people either If anybody thinks

00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.079
that we're safe up here in North Idaho, no. Coeur

00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.740
d 'Alene, Cooney County is a spot, man, where

00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:09.019
the feds hang out. The feds absolutely hang out

00:33:09.019 --> 00:33:11.140
here in North Idaho. We're a hot spot on the

00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:13.220
map, guarantee it. But Tyler knows about that,

00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:16.079
too. Yeah, sorry. I lost you guys for a second.

00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.759
I had to refresh. Yeah, it's real interesting,

00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.750
right? Like, I don't understand. Is Isis real,

00:33:25.009 --> 00:33:30.089
or is Isis just the FBI? That's a fair and interesting

00:33:30.089 --> 00:33:35.329
question. No, no, the CIA. Isis is the CIA. It

00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:37.069
is pretty wild. All right, let's do a couple

00:33:37.069 --> 00:33:39.750
more on the flock thing. This, before I want

00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:43.549
to sort of, we'll land the plane with the, what's

00:33:43.549 --> 00:33:44.990
going on in your hometown. Because I got questions

00:33:44.990 --> 00:33:47.650
for Tyler. Yeah, go right ahead. Yeah, we can

00:33:47.650 --> 00:33:49.529
play more clips anytime if you got them, go.

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.400
Well, I'm really I'm rolling the tape back actually

00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.400
a little bit when I where I kind of wanted to

00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.400
start this episode Which was Tyler you're doing

00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.200
the D flock thing. You're the main man behind

00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.039
it How did that come about because I don't know

00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.700
how did this become your life? Yeah Yeah, how

00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:10.760
does Tyler Kane start doing D flock, Idaho? How

00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.460
and why so D flock Idaho wasn't a thing and so

00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:18.099
started in April, so it's pretty relatively new

00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:22.519
page I was never super politically involved.

00:34:24.139 --> 00:34:28.980
Kind of going back to the beginning is our city

00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:33.880
here in Wilder decided to try to do this firearms

00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.619
ordinance. It actually kind of goes back before

00:34:36.619 --> 00:34:41.900
that. So I went and I paid my water bill a day

00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:47.780
late. and they tacked a $20 late fee on it. But

00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:49.860
instead of just charging it to like the next

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:52.699
bill, they called me and said, oh, you paid your

00:34:52.699 --> 00:34:55.000
water bill, but we're gonna come shut your water

00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.400
off over a $20 late fee. And I was like, you're

00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.900
threatening me. Anyways, it was like, I'm like,

00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:04.239
why are you calling me doing this rude threatening?

00:35:04.489 --> 00:35:07.349
phone call, like, just charge me it next time.

00:35:07.809 --> 00:35:09.570
But anyways, after that, I started paying kind

00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:11.030
of close attention to what they were doing in

00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:13.449
the city. And then they started to try to pass

00:35:13.449 --> 00:35:16.369
this no discharge of firearms ordinance. I don't

00:35:16.369 --> 00:35:18.590
know what theirs originally was. But in 2017,

00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:21.730
when the constitutional carry took effect in

00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:26.670
Idaho, their law, their ordinance became illegal.

00:35:27.309 --> 00:35:29.570
And so they instead of fixing it, they just removed

00:35:29.570 --> 00:35:33.010
it completely. And so what that that so the city

00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:35.650
for almost for nine, almost 10 years, didn't

00:35:35.650 --> 00:35:39.449
have, uh, no discharge of firearms ordinance

00:35:39.449 --> 00:35:42.170
within the city. It's already addressed, you

00:35:42.170 --> 00:35:44.650
know, at a state level, at a county level, but

00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:46.989
the city decided they needed to be involved in

00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:50.789
this. Um, even though they, yeah, they needed,

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:52.409
they need a metal in it, even though they've,

00:35:52.449 --> 00:35:54.650
you know, everyone's been fine and safe for nine

00:35:54.650 --> 00:35:58.130
years. And so they go to make this ordinance

00:35:58.130 --> 00:35:59.769
and it was so restrictive that it would have

00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:02.000
banned a nerf gun. Like it literally would have,

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.179
sorry, actually I went down to the city hall

00:36:04.179 --> 00:36:05.659
and I started talking and I'm like, it would

00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:07.340
ban a nerf gun. And she's like, no, it would

00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:09.780
ban the discharge of a nerf gun. And I'm like,

00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:11.840
you're seriously, you're seriously like, you're

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.179
okay with the, you're okay with this? Like, we're

00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:16.019
going to make, we're going to make children criminals

00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:18.480
now, you know? Hey, wait, you've just banned

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.780
cars. No, no, no, that's okay. We've just banned

00:36:20.780 --> 00:36:22.619
the driving of cars. Well, how do I get it out

00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.900
of my driveway? Oh, that's on you boo. Restrictive.

00:36:27.219 --> 00:36:30.920
Restrictive. It's so, um, I'm like, I'm like,

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:34.300
what the heck? And so, uh, I went into the community

00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:36.380
pages and I'm like, Hey, like, why are we trying

00:36:36.380 --> 00:36:38.639
to pass this ordinance? Like we need to do something.

00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:41.519
Um, and they actually, they tabled that for awhile.

00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.699
Um, but anyways, around that time, so around

00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:46.559
the beginning of the year, there was a story

00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.559
from Idaho new six about flock cameras in Caldwell.

00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.420
And I was like, wow those are interesting and

00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:54.840
i did just you know blanket just a little bit

00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.679
of research more of like a whomf you know and

00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.440
uh didn't think about it again and then i i started

00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.960
noticing him in caldwell and and but one day

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.639
all of a sudden i noticed one in wilder and and

00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.860
if you've seen like flock cameras and stuff like

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.880
once you see one you can't unsee it it's like

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.480
the matrix in that way and so um and once they

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.260
see you They can't unsee you. Oh, don't worry.

00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:18.960
No, they're only seeing your license plate. They

00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.780
just need to get a better picture of your face.

00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:24.039
Right. Right. Right. And then they keep the data

00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.619
safe and they use it only for non nefarious purposes.

00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:33.059
For seven days. Fox sells the data to like...

00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.340
to private companies so they'll sell it to whoever

00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.699
buys it from them so they can so private companies

00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:40.260
can tell they could tell the where the origination

00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:43.099
is so they have a whole page dedicated to traffic

00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:46.079
it's like traffic uh and analytics or something

00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.280
and so they'll give they'll sell it's uh it's

00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.659
non uh what is it like where they strip it of

00:37:53.659 --> 00:37:56.559
data they they're of identifiable information

00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.360
they'll they say so they say so they say but

00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.980
they can tell like oh i had customers driving

00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:05.760
from you know, wilder to Caldwell to come buy

00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.699
my whatever they, whatever you want to go buy.

00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.920
So it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Flock selling

00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:17.300
day selling our data. Inconceivable. Quadruple

00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:19.619
dipping those bastards. They get paid on the

00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:21.340
contracts. They get paid on the hardware. They

00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:22.880
get paid on the maintenance. They get paid on

00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.280
the software. They get paid to provide the data.

00:38:26.510 --> 00:38:28.889
that they want that the government wants, and

00:38:28.889 --> 00:38:31.349
they get to sell data to private companies as

00:38:31.349 --> 00:38:34.670
well. Shit, that's like quintuple sextuple dipping.

00:38:35.150 --> 00:38:37.630
Yeah, sort of. Do you want to hear a quick clip

00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:39.750
where we hear from a little bit from the founder

00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:42.929
of this apparatus before Tyler continues? Well,

00:38:43.030 --> 00:38:45.690
in a sec, I have another question. Is your Tyler

00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:48.429
is your town because it is reminiscent of some

00:38:48.429 --> 00:38:50.210
of the smaller towns up here that you would that

00:38:50.210 --> 00:38:53.110
you would think would be like bastions of die

00:38:53.110 --> 00:38:55.599
hard. you know, leave us the fuck alone attitude

00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.500
because they're more in more rural Idaho and

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:00.039
they're smaller towns. Wilder. I said they just,

00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:03.000
they just turn out to be run by leftist boomers.

00:39:03.139 --> 00:39:05.440
Is that wilder? Is that why you guys are dealing

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.360
with this? Um, you know, what's, I don't even

00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.070
know that I think so. 65 people voted in the

00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:18.309
last city election. Wow. 65? 65. That's it. Out

00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:21.630
of 1700. Out of, yeah. And there's, there's,

00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:24.710
there's a, we have a large Hispanic population.

00:39:25.150 --> 00:39:28.250
Um, and, and, you know, like migrant, where's

00:39:28.250 --> 00:39:30.250
migrant workers and stuff that come through.

00:39:30.849 --> 00:39:33.909
Um, and so I don't, I don't, there's only like

00:39:33.909 --> 00:39:38.750
400, there's only like 400 and uh, 60 registered

00:39:38.750 --> 00:39:41.309
voters. So overall it's just low numbers across

00:39:41.309 --> 00:39:44.849
the board. Um, people aren't very politically

00:39:44.849 --> 00:39:46.650
involved and I think that's what's allowed us

00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:48.949
to get here. We have a, we have an ordinance

00:39:48.949 --> 00:39:53.190
here for, uh, yard sales. It's a misdemeanor.

00:39:53.489 --> 00:39:56.289
If I put, if so, okay, I have to wake up two

00:39:56.289 --> 00:39:59.510
days before I have to go down to city hall. I

00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:05.250
have to give them $5 for a yard sale permit and

00:40:05.250 --> 00:40:08.699
then come home. and then wait my two days, put

00:40:08.699 --> 00:40:11.159
my sign up, I have to put the sign up in my front

00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:15.920
yard. And then I can have my yard sale. And I

00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.059
can only do that three times a year. What? OK,

00:40:19.059 --> 00:40:20.679
wait, wait, wait. So you have to have a permit.

00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.980
They only give you three permits a year. So you're

00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:26.039
up to three yard sales a year. You got to give

00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.159
them two days notice. You have to have a permit.

00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.780
You get to pay for the permit. More than three

00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:33.320
items is considered a yard sale. Three items.

00:40:34.109 --> 00:40:37.590
Whoa. So, so, well, I wait, hold on though. We've

00:40:37.590 --> 00:40:39.510
got to fix it. Tyler, every, so what you need

00:40:39.510 --> 00:40:43.070
to do and you make it last for three weeks and

00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:46.469
you just put out three items a day or what you

00:40:46.469 --> 00:40:49.769
could do is put, put out a, whatever you want

00:40:49.769 --> 00:40:52.789
to put out and then just market is free. OBO

00:40:52.789 --> 00:40:55.849
C owner. And then you negotiate in the garage.

00:40:56.530 --> 00:40:59.090
Hey, I'm not selling these. They're free. The

00:40:59.090 --> 00:41:02.070
thing is, you know, I'm taking donations. It

00:41:02.070 --> 00:41:04.250
goes back to that full weight of the government.

00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:06.690
So it's, it's a misdemeanor. So if you don't

00:41:06.690 --> 00:41:09.630
hit all of those requirements, it's a misdemeanor

00:41:09.630 --> 00:41:13.929
and up to I think $500 fine. And people have

00:41:13.929 --> 00:41:16.429
just allowed these, you know, these things, it's

00:41:16.429 --> 00:41:18.449
the same thing as the, you know, if people hadn't

00:41:18.449 --> 00:41:21.969
shown up against the, the discharge of a nerf

00:41:21.969 --> 00:41:24.309
gun ordinance, you know, they would have passed

00:41:24.309 --> 00:41:27.690
that. And, um, it would have banned construction

00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:30.630
in this city cause it didn't allow construction

00:41:30.630 --> 00:41:33.480
like. Like the nail guns, they would have banned

00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.079
a pneumatic nail gun. The way it was wrote. I

00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.360
don't know if you've ever seen that. The best

00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.019
way to build a vibrant community is to completely

00:41:41.019 --> 00:41:43.880
make it illegal to construct anything. Yes, excellent.

00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.739
Well done, everyone. And you know what we hate,

00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:49.179
apparently? Children. You know what we hate even

00:41:49.179 --> 00:41:52.460
more? Children having fun. No Nerf guns. Fuck

00:41:52.460 --> 00:41:57.429
you. And no new homes. And so it just seems to

00:41:57.429 --> 00:41:59.050
be there's, you know, and I think a lot of these

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:01.349
councils operate that way is they're just like

00:42:01.349 --> 00:42:05.210
rubber stamp factories and no one gets involved

00:42:05.210 --> 00:42:08.090
in the local politics and the people that are

00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:10.090
doing it are the people that really shouldn't

00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:14.309
be. Well, but that's the nature of it right there.

00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:16.110
I apologize for interrupting you, Tyler, but

00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:18.090
I want to throw it out there. That is the nature

00:42:18.090 --> 00:42:20.530
of the state. And that is why I'm an anarchist.

00:42:20.730 --> 00:42:22.650
You've hit it on the head is because the people

00:42:22.650 --> 00:42:25.460
who get involved initially anyways and who are

00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:27.559
the meddlers and who take the take the levers

00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.920
of power they are the ones who absolutely should

00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.780
be nowhere fucking near it everybody else we're

00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:34.739
busy living our lives right providing for our

00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:36.960
families doing our things leaving people alone

00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.719
like you're supposed to do so any every town

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.599
every county every state they're like this the

00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.179
most people just want to live their lives they

00:42:46.179 --> 00:42:49.070
don't care Then until something makes them care

00:42:49.070 --> 00:42:51.969
like in your guys's case the gun ordinance finally

00:42:51.969 --> 00:42:54.929
finally touches enough of a nerve We're just

00:42:54.929 --> 00:42:57.150
enough people are like, oh, okay. I am upset

00:42:57.150 --> 00:42:59.789
about this But you know for 20 years we didn't

00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:01.829
care and the same people got to make all these

00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:05.010
laws and now it's too late Because it's really

00:43:05.010 --> 00:43:10.389
hard to repeal really hard to repeal laws All

00:43:10.389 --> 00:43:13.010
these laws just stack right so we end up we end

00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:16.139
up going you know Every time we do a law, there's

00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.980
just another law behind it, and we just stack

00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:19.480
and stack and stack and stack and stack. And

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:21.199
people will also come at you with like, well,

00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.059
it doesn't matter. They don't enforce most of

00:43:23.059 --> 00:43:26.579
them anyways. Well, until they do. And the moment

00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:29.179
they want to, they can. And then we go back to

00:43:29.179 --> 00:43:31.460
the full force and weight of the government.

00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:36.480
I was just reflecting on the irony of collecting

00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.880
coins for items, for the three items that you

00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.300
sell. at that yard sale and those coins having

00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:46.519
the word Liberty printed on them. Somehow like

00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.159
when this is a question we ask on the on this

00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.239
program a lot like is Liberty of value for all

00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.880
of the the the reasons that one somebody who

00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.280
is for this type of thing might give you for

00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.480
why yes, why there was implemented, we'll see

00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.300
there was this one yard sale, where they were

00:44:01.300 --> 00:44:04.239
selling, you know, COVID written, blah, blah,

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.860
blah. And then all these people get like what

00:44:05.860 --> 00:44:08.159
whatever reason they would give you for why these

00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.440
regulations that we need to manage the dissemination

00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.219
of these types of yard sales is liberty of value.

00:44:16.300 --> 00:44:18.559
Well, yes, that's just a value that almost no

00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.860
one possesses truly and even the people who think

00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:22.900
they do and espouse it Most of them don't possess

00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:24.780
it. It's why I argue with conservatives as much

00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:28.019
as I do Neo liberals and conservatives have their

00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:31.000
own bugaboos. Yeah, you know like I'm I hate

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:34.199
the government But don't you take away my Medicare

00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.719
my Social Security and I super duper back the

00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.400
blue also Pot should be illegal. In fact, every

00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.059
drug I don't like should be illegal, but alcohol

00:44:43.059 --> 00:44:46.539
and Oxycontin are okay My flavor of boot leather

00:44:46.539 --> 00:44:51.960
is the best. Here is, this is now, this has of

00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.179
course become a big national thing. Motorola,

00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.019
not so much. Flock, definitely. Here is CBS,

00:44:58.179 --> 00:45:01.159
the national. Network doing an interview with

00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.539
flocks founder. It's this is very truncated and

00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:05.639
I didn't do this editing This is how they edited

00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.239
it turning now to the latest twist in the controversy

00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.000
over the surveillance company flock Nationwide

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.840
it has more than 120 ,000 cameras used by more

00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.440
than 6 ,000 law enforcement agencies But there

00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.380
have been claims that these license plate readers

00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:21.699
may have been misused by some officers for stock

00:45:21.699 --> 00:45:25.980
there have been claims Claims just claims including

00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:29.039
for stocking Flock CEO Garrett Langley just announced

00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.860
new safety measures. He sat down with CBS's Anna

00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:34.739
Schechter for his very first network TV interview

00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:38.159
about the changes. Your license plate is registered

00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.940
as stolen license plates in our system. Are you

00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:43.559
serious? Dozens of drivers nationwide say they're

00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.320
being unfairly pulled over, some even at gunpoint.

00:45:46.340 --> 00:45:48.380
Keep your hands above your head. Due to alleged

00:45:48.380 --> 00:45:50.719
misuse of flock safety's license plate readers,

00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.659
and it's not just mistakes causing concern. This

00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:55.679
week, three Georgia police officers were added

00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.300
to a growing list of cops accused of misusing

00:45:58.300 --> 00:46:01.239
the camera technology to allegedly stalk citizens,

00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.300
including ex wives and girlfriends. I don't think

00:46:04.300 --> 00:46:07.630
that created. Police abuse. I mean, can you put

00:46:07.630 --> 00:46:10.449
yourself in those women's shoes? No, it's horrible

00:46:10.449 --> 00:46:14.449
and I apologize. Did you take enough responsibility?

00:46:14.670 --> 00:46:18.550
I got something for this. Hold on. I got something

00:46:18.550 --> 00:46:20.590
for this. Where are you? Where are you? Where

00:46:20.590 --> 00:46:23.789
are you? There you are. Hey, so women are being

00:46:23.789 --> 00:46:26.929
stalked and dudes are getting held at gunpoint

00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:30.150
and the system is making mistakes, but also it

00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:33.750
allows people with an authority complex to have

00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:35.309
even more authority. What do you have to say

00:46:35.309 --> 00:46:37.989
about that? and to all those affected i want

00:46:37.989 --> 00:46:45.889
to say we are deeply sorry we're sorry we're

00:46:45.889 --> 00:46:52.489
sorry no it's horrible and i apologize that's

00:46:52.489 --> 00:46:54.510
definitely your soundboard material i heard apologize

00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:58.429
i heard a thing where the uh you know someone

00:46:58.429 --> 00:47:00.449
someone had told me once they were saying that

00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:03.289
why are we giving these these the stocking tool

00:47:03.659 --> 00:47:06.380
to the group of people that has the highest rate

00:47:06.380 --> 00:47:10.019
of domestic violence. Yes, I was going to bring

00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.340
it up. I'm so glad you did, Tyler. Thank you.

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:18.199
Thank you. Thank you. Laughs in 42%. No, it's

00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:19.960
horrible. And that's just the cases we know.

00:47:20.860 --> 00:47:24.260
Well, when questioned, officer fill in the blank

00:47:24.260 --> 00:47:27.300
said the following. No, it's horrible and I apologize.

00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.260
Did you take enough responsibility? I would never

00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:34.800
ever beat my wife, but I also won't stop all

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.900
of my buddies from beating theirs. And I would

00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:39.480
never tattle on them because we're a brotherhood.

00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.519
Enough responsibility soon enough? I think hindsight

00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:47.239
is a brutal tool. Of course, we could have done

00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.420
more earlier and we listen. and we learn, and

00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.500
we'll continue to be born. In response, CEO Garrett

00:47:54.500 --> 00:47:56.820
Langley says he is rolling out new safety measures,

00:47:57.139 --> 00:47:59.559
including cutting data storage time from 30 days

00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.639
to seven. I thought he was going to say, including

00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.440
cutting down flock cameras. No, no, that would,

00:48:04.659 --> 00:48:06.820
unless you, those are Motorola employees running

00:48:06.820 --> 00:48:09.139
an op on behalf of their business model. Including

00:48:09.139 --> 00:48:11.760
cutting data storage time from 30 days to seven.

00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:14.579
And in January, Flock will require all of its

00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:17.000
roughly 6 ,000 law enforcement agency clients

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.500
to opt in to what's called audit assistance,

00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.480
which flags any potential police misuse. Why

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.000
didn't you make a requirement? They're going

00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.219
to investigate themselves. And what do you think

00:48:27.219 --> 00:48:31.219
they're going to find themselves? Don't worry.

00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.199
Only seven days instead of 31 now to misuse your

00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:36.400
data. We only have a week, so we got to be a

00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.179
little more a little more motivated and a little

00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:40.679
less lazy to misuse your data. Don't worry, though.

00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:42.179
You're in good hands. Why don't you make a requirement

00:48:42.179 --> 00:48:44.739
as soon as you created the technology? We've

00:48:44.739 --> 00:48:47.380
evolved there. We've always said we want local

00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:49.800
control. I think it's up to our elected officials

00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.760
to decide how long is this data retained? No,

00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:54.099
it isn't. Wait, did you see what he just did?

00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.139
He just did two things. He didn't answer the

00:48:57.139 --> 00:49:00.579
question, and so he deflected. Well, they edited

00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:02.659
it so heavily we really don't know how he answered

00:49:02.659 --> 00:49:05.019
it. He said, well, what we really want is for

00:49:05.019 --> 00:49:09.570
the locals to have control. So it was a brilliant

00:49:09.570 --> 00:49:12.389
deflection. Yeah. Well, but we don't local reptiles.

00:49:12.590 --> 00:49:14.769
They write and they don't. You can tell it's

00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:16.429
such it's so heavily edited. We don't we don't

00:49:16.429 --> 00:49:18.110
actually have any sense of how we actually answered

00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:22.469
the question. But the notion of like the the

00:49:22.469 --> 00:49:25.210
local officials. I think it's up to our elected

00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:28.030
officials to decide the thing that they're doing

00:49:28.030 --> 00:49:30.590
right now. And Flock is pushing for legislation.

00:49:30.650 --> 00:49:33.329
But when they're pushing for legislation and

00:49:33.329 --> 00:49:36.809
it's exactly what's happened here in Idaho. They're

00:49:36.809 --> 00:49:39.590
pushing for legislation because by legislating

00:49:39.590 --> 00:49:43.289
it, it allows it allows it. So with the I know

00:49:43.289 --> 00:49:48.190
code 14, um, 49, 1432, um, is the law that we

00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:51.730
have right now, but it expressly allows ALPR

00:49:51.730 --> 00:49:55.630
and it puts just terrible, terrible. It doesn't

00:49:55.630 --> 00:49:58.210
even really do anything as far as, um, restricting

00:49:58.210 --> 00:50:02.210
it, or it has absolutely no real enforceable

00:50:02.210 --> 00:50:06.820
punishment, um, for misuse, but. But by legislating,

00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.360
it allows it. And so what we've seen since because

00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.199
that came in effect in June of or July of twenty

00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.000
six or twenty five. And so since twenty five,

00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.440
these have exploded across the state because

00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.619
there's a law saying you can do this. And so

00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:25.639
it does two things. It it makes it almost impossible

00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.760
to challenge legally. And and this might be more

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.260
important, especially for the for the long run.

00:50:32.739 --> 00:50:39.579
It gives. perceived legitimacy. So now if you

00:50:39.579 --> 00:50:43.199
are like us, and you, as usual, notice things,

00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.420
question things, especially question authority,

00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.699
well now we are the pariahs, we're the outsiders,

00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:52.219
because most of the NPCs who live on this planet

00:50:52.219 --> 00:50:55.380
Earth and who and who use legality as the bar

00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.199
or the litmus test for morality, well now it's

00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.670
okay, it's legitimate, hey, it's legal. So what

00:51:00.670 --> 00:51:02.429
are you guys belly -aching about? It's legal.

00:51:02.849 --> 00:51:04.710
The Idaho State Supreme, you know, I'm sure somebody

00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:06.530
will take a case to the Idaho Supreme Court at

00:51:06.530 --> 00:51:08.150
some point. It might even go all the way national,

00:51:08.269 --> 00:51:10.150
but it'll get to the Idaho Supreme Court and

00:51:10.150 --> 00:51:12.429
they'll be like, well, hey, it's been legislated.

00:51:12.530 --> 00:51:16.070
It's written in here. It's legal. And so from

00:51:16.070 --> 00:51:19.570
then on, you alienate those of us leftover who

00:51:19.570 --> 00:51:22.929
still will fight the fight, but you make it legitimate

00:51:22.929 --> 00:51:25.690
in everybody else's minds. And then it becomes

00:51:25.690 --> 00:51:28.969
impossible to challenge. I heard a quote the

00:51:28.969 --> 00:51:31.489
other day, um, and it hasn't been released yet,

00:51:31.730 --> 00:51:35.610
but it's, um, you can't legislate morality. Correct.

00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:38.590
You literally can't. And, and, and I think, you

00:51:38.590 --> 00:51:41.190
know, flock cameras, it's 100 % an immoral thing

00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:44.769
to do to just spy on everyone and track everyone

00:51:44.769 --> 00:51:47.750
as they go about their travels. Um, and, and

00:51:47.750 --> 00:51:49.409
that's where, like the same thing where we were

00:51:49.409 --> 00:51:52.460
saying before, where, um, you know, tyranny is

00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:54.800
just a software patch away. There's really no

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.340
way to just safely do this. They just need to

00:51:57.340 --> 00:52:01.219
go. We'll go this way because we knew it was

00:52:01.219 --> 00:52:03.340
going to happen. I'm going to bring it up first.

00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.539
I win. I win the race. Imagine what would have

00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:10.260
happened just six years ago, just six years ago

00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:13.639
during the 2020 bullshit where the state showed

00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.199
us, they tipped their hand and showed us what

00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.300
they were willing to do at all levels, at all

00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:20.780
levels, federal, state, county, city on down.

00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:24.000
what they were willing to do to us. Imagine what

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.059
they could have done with this network that now

00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:30.619
exists and is growing. Yeah, there was a huge

00:52:30.619 --> 00:52:32.940
fight in Kentucky where they were there was like

00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:35.980
a church that had services during 2020 during

00:52:35.980 --> 00:52:38.900
COVID and the pastors like we're going to have

00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:43.539
these even with a lockdown. And the governor

00:52:43.539 --> 00:52:47.340
sent the the state police to go write down license

00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:50.519
plate numbers. So it's this funny equivalency

00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.679
where it's like, okay, we're saying we're just

00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.500
reading license plates, but. license plates contain

00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:58.159
identifiable information not to you and me we're

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.679
not allowed to search you know what a what a

00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.460
license plate is tied to but but they have the

00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:05.079
system right there in front of them you know

00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.760
they're the ones they're the watchers they're

00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.239
the ones that have access to you know who's it

00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.880
registered to who's it whatever and so they wrote

00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.519
down all these license plates and then they sent

00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.320
them quarantine notices they gave all that information

00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.199
to the health departments and and gave the people

00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.929
that were attending these church services Yeah,

00:53:22.929 --> 00:53:25.449
the quarantine notices and so we've already there's

00:53:25.449 --> 00:53:27.969
a reason why they force us to register our vehicles

00:53:27.969 --> 00:53:30.929
It's it's a two. It's another two -pronged attack.

00:53:31.050 --> 00:53:32.769
It's revenue. It's a revenue scheme. It's rent

00:53:32.769 --> 00:53:38.550
-seeking It's a revenue scheme and it's so they

00:53:38.550 --> 00:53:40.690
can track us Because like you said everything

00:53:40.690 --> 00:53:42.670
they want to know about us All they got to do

00:53:42.670 --> 00:53:44.849
is run our plates see our driver's license see

00:53:44.849 --> 00:53:47.949
our carry permits see it where we live All kinds

00:53:47.949 --> 00:53:50.840
of stuff, but I'll do you one better It wasn't

00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:52.440
even in just Kentucky. Obviously, we know it

00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:53.920
was a lot of places this happened, but it was

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.000
right in our own backyard. I mean, Moscow, Idaho

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.500
was ground zero for the fight of church versus

00:53:59.500 --> 00:54:02.840
city. That was ground zero in Idaho. Remember,

00:54:02.860 --> 00:54:05.519
that was a big kerfuffle. One of the main more

00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.039
conservative churches in Moscow made a lot of

00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.059
noise because they met in the parking lot and

00:54:10.059 --> 00:54:12.739
sang hymns. And the mayor and the city council

00:54:12.739 --> 00:54:14.920
and the cops all basically, well, the mayor didn't

00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.519
show up because he won't do his own dirty work.

00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.440
You know, out came the cops, sighting people,

00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.460
and attempting to sight people. That was right

00:54:22.460 --> 00:54:25.179
here in supposed Blood Red, Idaho. They think

00:54:25.179 --> 00:54:27.139
they own us. That's the truth. They think they

00:54:27.139 --> 00:54:29.780
own us. They think we're a flock and we are chattel.

00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.719
They're the leaders and the officials make the

00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:35.179
decisions. They didn't send any of their phony

00:54:35.179 --> 00:54:37.500
baloney health apparatus to the parking lot of

00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:39.840
Home Depot. Why is that? That place never stopped

00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.019
operating. The whole notion of a lockdown is

00:54:42.019 --> 00:54:43.539
bull crap to begin with. There was never any

00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:46.340
lockdown. There was just targeted assaults by

00:54:46.340 --> 00:54:49.400
the leader, leader, leaders against a citizenry

00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:50.980
that is supposed to be free. It says liberty

00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:52.980
on our coins. But in point of fact, we are not.

00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:56.289
Yeah, but you know what and we had this conversation

00:54:56.289 --> 00:54:59.090
before this is a little bit of the Historical

00:54:59.090 --> 00:55:01.670
fact the first coinage that we ever minted as

00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:03.750
a country was so I say when I say we I mean America

00:55:03.750 --> 00:55:06.110
We should have stuck to that because that was

00:55:06.110 --> 00:55:08.630
the best it literally said mind your business

00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:12.039
That was what was on the first coinage. Mind

00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:14.119
your business. It was awesome. If you've never

00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:15.920
seen that, Tyler, that's the... Well, you looked

00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.699
it up on the show. I already knew it. The what

00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:20.559
coin? You already knew. The what coin? I'm trying

00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.039
to remember the name of it. The Fugio. Fugio

00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.199
Scent. Google image the Fugio Scent. Yeah, it's

00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:29.179
brilliant. Fugio Scent. Yeah. That's right. It

00:55:29.179 --> 00:55:32.340
is stamped right on it. Mind your business. Just

00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:34.900
so there is the fact that we got rid of that

00:55:34.900 --> 00:55:38.239
man What says a lot? There is the of course the

00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.420
difference between you heard earlier in the clip

00:55:40.420 --> 00:55:42.599
with us or do suffer and Adam curry that were

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:44.579
like Oh, well, you know your you they people

00:55:44.579 --> 00:55:46.400
go and they post about it on Instagram There's

00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:48.739
the true information where they people put up

00:55:48.739 --> 00:55:51.639
voluntarily the Amazon the ring cameras all over

00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.860
their houses like yeah Well, but there's still

00:55:53.860 --> 00:55:56.440
there is a distinction because we as usual with

00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.119
all of the quote services that are we are being

00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.300
told to hold still while they are thrust upon

00:56:01.300 --> 00:56:04.639
us. We can't opt out of the ALPRs. There's no

00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.940
opt out. Well, everybody opts in, man. Everyone

00:56:06.940 --> 00:56:09.539
has a phone. I know. But there's still a distinction.

00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.639
You can't opt out. I can leave my phone at home.

00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.219
I can smash my phone if I want to smash. If I

00:56:16.219 --> 00:56:19.159
decide I'm out. And Tyler, same thing. Same thing,

00:56:19.219 --> 00:56:20.820
Tyler. You can leave your phone at home. You

00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:23.659
can turn it off. You can change plans. You can

00:56:23.659 --> 00:56:26.000
change carriers. You can change the hardware.

00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.239
You also can jailbreak your phone if you know

00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:29.880
who to do. You know, there's lots of different

00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:33.000
ways you can mitigate the risk, eliminate the

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.599
risk or fully embrace the risk. But you have

00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.260
choices. And also you can damage your phone,

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.280
whether accidentally or otherwise, you can buy

00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.840
it and then break it in half. That's not a felony.

00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.119
So, yeah, my phone is watching me now. There's

00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:49.800
a whole company. Oh, yeah. And I'm sure that's

00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:51.820
going to become a bigger and bigger thing. Now

00:56:51.820 --> 00:56:58.119
new from Motorola, a privacy phone. So because

00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.599
we sort of didn't let him finish, I want to finish

00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.980
here and how Tyler, so Tyler is fighting his,

00:57:03.980 --> 00:57:06.099
his township here where they first try to outlaw

00:57:06.099 --> 00:57:10.559
Nerf guns. Then they kind of pseudo outlaw yard

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.360
sales. Oh, excuse me. You're right. My bad, my

00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.239
bad. No, it's important. It's a good distinction.

00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:20.059
You can possess as many nerf guns as you want.

00:57:20.699 --> 00:57:22.840
You have one of those like secret compartments

00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.980
that like comes up from behind your headboard

00:57:24.980 --> 00:57:27.300
is as much a nerf guns. It's like lit up by the

00:57:27.300 --> 00:57:30.719
LED lighting. Well, the question is what happens

00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.019
if they catch you with intent to distribute said

00:57:33.019 --> 00:57:35.199
nerf guns? Like if you hand them out to your

00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.300
kids for a birthday party, then what happens?

00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:42.840
I don't know. So so they so they did that that

00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.119
firearms ordinance. We got that stopped. And

00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.559
then, yeah, so I noticed the cameras and called

00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.559
while I'd read that story. I was driving through

00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.900
town one day, I saw a flock camera. So I immediately

00:57:52.900 --> 00:57:55.599
go down to the police or our city so small, the

00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.500
city hall and the police stations, one building.

00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.460
And I go in there and I go up to the police chief

00:58:00.460 --> 00:58:04.059
and I said, I said, hey, who, who put these in?

00:58:04.219 --> 00:58:05.800
Cause I like, I didn't even know who put them

00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.739
in, you know? And he's like, oh, oh, me and the

00:58:08.739 --> 00:58:11.099
mayor. And I'm like, like, where was the council

00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:14.099
meeting? And he's like, there wasn't one. And

00:58:14.099 --> 00:58:16.380
so that's the thing we're talking about. Yeah.

00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:17.980
There was no, you know, there, there was no meeting.

00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.500
So they, they hit into the budget they put, um,

00:58:20.500 --> 00:58:22.579
and they still did it wrong, but they put a $10

00:58:22.579 --> 00:58:25.260
,000 line item for equipment capital outlay.

00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:28.679
Um, That's all they put for the capital. Outlay

00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.679
means like you're purchasing something. So if

00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.679
you like bought a camera and then you kept it

00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.099
on like your, your, you know, property books,

00:58:35.380 --> 00:58:37.980
like that would be an acceptable use. But with

00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:39.860
flock, you don't even own the equipment. You

00:58:39.860 --> 00:58:42.820
don't own the hardware, the software. Um, you

00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:44.460
don't even really own the data. You just own

00:58:44.460 --> 00:58:49.780
the ability to access said data. Um, but, uh,

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.679
so he's like, Oh, me and the mayor approved this.

00:58:52.699 --> 00:58:56.289
And I'm like, what the heck? Uh, And so that's

00:58:56.289 --> 00:58:59.130
when I, I got a ton. Well, and this is, so here's

00:58:59.130 --> 00:59:01.929
what happened actually, uh, from there I started

00:59:01.929 --> 00:59:03.289
going, I went on the community page and I got

00:59:03.289 --> 00:59:05.869
a bunch of people riled up going to, to come

00:59:05.869 --> 00:59:09.130
to the council meeting and it was a, it was packed

00:59:09.130 --> 00:59:11.869
like standing room only. Um, I mean, it's not

00:59:11.869 --> 00:59:14.769
a huge room, but, um, you know, there was probably

00:59:14.769 --> 00:59:18.309
30 people there. Maybe. So like half of the registered

00:59:18.309 --> 00:59:20.590
voters showed up half of the people that voted.

00:59:20.989 --> 00:59:24.030
Yeah. Barack Obama. Eat your heart out. Here's

00:59:24.030 --> 00:59:27.449
a community organizer for you. Yeah. You think

00:59:27.449 --> 00:59:31.949
you could fill a stadium. Yeah. So, um, well

00:59:31.949 --> 00:59:34.610
I had the twin falls meeting. I got that one

00:59:34.610 --> 00:59:37.630
packed too. Um, but anyway, we're not making

00:59:37.630 --> 00:59:39.789
fun of you by the way. That probably felt like

00:59:39.789 --> 00:59:42.369
you were making fun of you. Like good job, dude.

00:59:42.809 --> 00:59:45.849
No, so and that's the thing. I mean, I don't

00:59:45.849 --> 00:59:47.349
know what I'm doing. So you're like, oh, a community

00:59:47.349 --> 00:59:49.369
organizer. Like I've never been involved in anything

00:59:49.369 --> 00:59:51.289
like this before. We would never use that term

00:59:51.289 --> 00:59:55.809
for someone we like, Tyler. I just started. I

00:59:55.809 --> 01:00:00.789
just started. That's a pejorative, sir. So anyways,

01:00:02.210 --> 01:00:04.730
so I get up, I get the council room packed and

01:00:04.730 --> 01:00:09.090
they remove public comment. And oh, and so they

01:00:09.090 --> 01:00:11.590
know what was coming. Yes. Yes, because it's

01:00:11.590 --> 01:00:13.670
posted on Facebook. I was using the, I was using,

01:00:13.670 --> 01:00:17.349
you know, the, um, the, like our community page.

01:00:17.989 --> 01:00:20.409
And that was the moment that radicalized me.

01:00:20.510 --> 01:00:22.269
I think if that had never happened, I think I

01:00:22.269 --> 01:00:25.630
would have just got up there, set my point, um,

01:00:25.789 --> 01:00:28.849
about, Hey, I don't like flock cameras and probably

01:00:28.849 --> 01:00:32.989
left it alone. But, but they radicalized me.

01:00:33.090 --> 01:00:35.170
They literally forced my hand and radicalized

01:00:35.170 --> 01:00:38.469
me by removing public comment. And, and, um,

01:00:38.409 --> 01:00:41.030
They did it. It's funny. I, you know, I started

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:44.050
recording that every interaction with them. Um,

01:00:44.170 --> 01:00:47.150
and so like I had there at the council meeting,

01:00:47.170 --> 01:00:50.130
they're like, they're saying, well, the mayor's

01:00:50.130 --> 01:00:53.269
not here. And so he's, he, you know, he's the

01:00:53.269 --> 01:00:55.449
one that said not to have public comment because

01:00:55.449 --> 01:00:58.070
he's not here to listen. And then, but I have,

01:00:58.269 --> 01:01:00.690
I had a video of the mayor, the mayor saying,

01:01:00.690 --> 01:01:05.380
uh, well, it's up to the, it's up to the. Devin

01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:08.980
Berg, who's the like was like the chair of the

01:01:08.980 --> 01:01:11.219
council. So they're all up to him. So they're

01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:14.139
all. Yeah. And they point to the next guy. You're

01:01:14.139 --> 01:01:17.400
like, well, actually, it's it's our secretary.

01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:19.179
She's the one who's supposed to set the agenda

01:01:19.179 --> 01:01:21.559
last Wednesday. And she was so busy processing

01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.440
yard sale permits. She forgot. Oh, yeah. Well,

01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.860
the city attorney said we can do this. You know,

01:01:26.860 --> 01:01:30.400
it's all a bunch of bull crap. Just because you

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:31.960
can, you know, doesn't mean you doesn't mean

01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:35.119
you should, you know. Oh, yeah. And they all,

01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:36.880
and they all back each other and they're all

01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.719
in the same, I mean, it's a cabal. It is a cabal.

01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:42.380
They behave that way. It's a complete joke. And

01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:45.440
so, um, yeah, they all high five and have beers.

01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:48.960
I think they, I honestly really think that, you

01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.059
know, it's probably pretty boring typically,

01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:53.860
um, to be on the council and, you know, people

01:01:53.860 --> 01:01:55.599
don't show up and you guys are, they're, everyone's

01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.059
just sitting there saying yes or no on a bunch

01:01:58.059 --> 01:02:02.079
of pretty much unimportant things. Yeah, well,

01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:03.539
it's usually like, should we spend this money?

01:02:03.820 --> 01:02:07.420
Yes. Should we not spend this money? No, we should

01:02:07.420 --> 01:02:10.599
still spend it. So no to the not spending. I

01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.679
think once drama happens, I think they just want

01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.960
it. I think they're like, yes, I feel important,

01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.940
you know, because people are showing up and they're

01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:19.659
mad at me yelling. And I think it's just like

01:02:19.659 --> 01:02:23.030
ego stroke for them. That's a, that's a toddler

01:02:23.030 --> 01:02:25.309
thing actually, which makes a lot of sense. Ego

01:02:25.309 --> 01:02:27.309
toddlers. You've got big emotions. You have no

01:02:27.309 --> 01:02:29.150
impulse control. You think the whole world revolves

01:02:29.150 --> 01:02:31.429
around you. You're a low level narcissist or

01:02:31.429 --> 01:02:33.989
sometimes a high level narcissist. A lot of it's

01:02:33.989 --> 01:02:35.670
just attention seeking. Doesn't matter if it's

01:02:35.670 --> 01:02:38.650
good. It doesn't matter if it's bad. They just

01:02:38.650 --> 01:02:41.969
want attention. So there you are. Now you've

01:02:41.969 --> 01:02:44.429
got little small tyrants in their small world

01:02:44.429 --> 01:02:47.010
who are now getting the attention they crave.

01:02:47.030 --> 01:02:50.539
And even if it's negative, they're happy. Like

01:02:50.539 --> 01:02:54.280
you're saying Tyler that it's the reaction to

01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.260
the engage to what they do we're like either

01:02:57.260 --> 01:03:00.300
the taxing or the surveillance or all of the

01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:04.480
myriad ways that we are tyrannized upon then

01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.159
when there's a reaction from the citizenry as

01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:10.079
it gets ever more ratcheted up that you know

01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.119
to the point where like especially in 2020 where

01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.340
it's just full -blown totalitarianism was like

01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.760
we own every part of you know cover your face

01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.599
or else it's like and then the citizens go like

01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.219
At least some of us are like, yeah, man, I guess

01:03:22.219 --> 01:03:24.500
I'm officially now radical, like even though

01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:26.440
I haven't actually changed, but you've just kept

01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:29.119
ratcheting it up. And then they get their panties

01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.980
in a wad like, whoa, whoa, where's this reaction

01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:33.639
coming from, man? We're just trying to look out

01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.920
for your safety. And they act like there's no

01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.400
reason in the world that there should be like

01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:40.800
that. Anybody should be questioning their motives

01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.400
or anything like what's wrong with you, citizen?

01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.699
We're just trying to provide you services. God,

01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:47.329
yeah. Just your friendly neighborhood city council

01:03:47.329 --> 01:03:49.789
member trying to do what we've always done. What

01:03:49.789 --> 01:03:51.849
are you so upset about? If there was ever an

01:03:51.849 --> 01:03:55.409
acknowledgement of like, like, well, we understand,

01:03:55.769 --> 01:03:57.070
like, you know, of course, there was something

01:03:57.070 --> 01:03:59.329
we made some mistakes in 2020. So we understand

01:03:59.329 --> 01:04:01.650
why now you would be skeptical of our motives

01:04:01.650 --> 01:04:03.730
and our methods and stuff. But there's never

01:04:03.730 --> 01:04:06.190
any preface along those lines. They're just they're

01:04:06.190 --> 01:04:08.469
just fed up with us. They've had it up to here

01:04:08.469 --> 01:04:10.909
with our with our radical right wing skepticism.

01:04:12.469 --> 01:04:15.409
It's kind of a tactic that the I'm gonna pick

01:04:15.409 --> 01:04:17.170
on them again I guess the boomers have perfected

01:04:17.170 --> 01:04:18.829
really well and any of us who have parents who

01:04:18.829 --> 01:04:20.530
are involved in our lives And we love them. We

01:04:20.530 --> 01:04:23.630
love them, but getting boomered by our parents.

01:04:23.630 --> 01:04:25.750
We all know this We all know this scheme right

01:04:25.750 --> 01:04:28.389
where like they give you Your parents give you

01:04:28.389 --> 01:04:30.789
something as a quote -unquote gift and it's not

01:04:30.789 --> 01:04:32.309
necessarily wrapped as a gift or anything like

01:04:32.309 --> 01:04:33.969
that But you know you go visit and they got this

01:04:33.969 --> 01:04:35.210
stuff set aside for you and they're like, oh,

01:04:35.230 --> 01:04:36.889
hey, by the way Here's this stuff I've got for

01:04:36.889 --> 01:04:38.329
you I've been saving it for you and you know,

01:04:38.429 --> 01:04:39.989
go ahead and take that and it's you know, like

01:04:39.989 --> 01:04:43.719
an old wicker basket and a couple of like blood

01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:45.840
pressure squeezy balls that have, you know, your

01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.079
dad's insurance company printed on them. And,

01:04:48.139 --> 01:04:51.239
and you're like, what? You just, you just gave

01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.059
me your garbage. You just gave me the stuff you

01:04:53.059 --> 01:04:55.239
didn't want to throw out. And if you push back

01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:56.840
on it, then they're like, what? Well, what do

01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:57.920
you mean? What do you mean? You don't want our

01:04:57.920 --> 01:04:59.400
gift? Like, oh, we're just giving you some stuff.

01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:00.840
We're just being nice. You know, it's just a

01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:02.599
gesture. Why do you have to make such a thing

01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.699
out of it? What do you, what's the pushback for?

01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:06.619
There's a, yeah, there are always this again,

01:05:06.820 --> 01:05:07.920
right? They're always exasperated. Ungrateful

01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:12.210
kids. Always exasperated. Seemed like, you know,

01:05:12.329 --> 01:05:14.710
who broke you kid? Well, yeah, really you kind

01:05:14.710 --> 01:05:17.289
of did dad a little bit or or in Tyler's case

01:05:17.289 --> 01:05:19.269
when the city council's like who radicalized

01:05:19.269 --> 01:05:24.650
you man, and I was like me me Yeah, so so that

01:05:24.650 --> 01:05:28.170
that turned into You know, I I noticed this across

01:05:28.170 --> 01:05:30.309
the state where you know, it was happening in

01:05:30.309 --> 01:05:33.269
a similar way and so a few of us got together

01:05:33.269 --> 01:05:36.570
and I just we started to deflock, Idaho the page

01:05:36.570 --> 01:05:40.369
you know from there and for a while, for a couple

01:05:40.369 --> 01:05:43.250
months, it only had a couple hundred followers,

01:05:43.510 --> 01:05:46.329
a few hundred followers. And then all of a sudden,

01:05:46.789 --> 01:05:49.889
I don't know, I've never ran a Facebook page.

01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:53.309
I've never made social media content. I've had

01:05:53.309 --> 01:05:57.389
to learn literally all of this. I've never ran

01:05:57.389 --> 01:06:00.630
a grassroots movement. I've never gotten people

01:06:00.630 --> 01:06:03.469
politically engaged. I've literally never done

01:06:03.469 --> 01:06:06.150
any of this. I'd never been to a city council

01:06:06.150 --> 01:06:09.059
meeting until you know, that firearms ordinance

01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:12.960
I talked about. And so all of this is, you know,

01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:17.239
rapidly just kind of happened. And I've had to

01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:18.960
figure out, you know, how to do records requests,

01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:23.780
how to do other stuff. But essentially, that's

01:06:23.780 --> 01:06:26.000
what radicalized me was just them saying, you're

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:27.739
not allowed to speak. And so it's like, why are

01:06:27.739 --> 01:06:31.699
we going to put in cameras and execute, you know,

01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:34.380
mass surveillance? And then we're not going to

01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:38.000
allow you to speak about it. And so we need changes.

01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:43.639
The cameras need to go. But honestly, even there's

01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.219
been the last two years, it hasn't gone out of

01:06:48.219 --> 01:06:50.440
committee. And that's something I'm scared of

01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:56.920
too with the ALPR bans is that it might not even

01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.679
leave committee. But the last two years, there's

01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.829
been stuff going into committee to require public

01:07:04.829 --> 01:07:07.050
comment at public meetings, because we have the

01:07:07.050 --> 01:07:10.389
public meetings laws, but we don't we don't require

01:07:10.389 --> 01:07:13.849
comment. And so Tyler, when you say we are you

01:07:13.849 --> 01:07:16.110
still referring to your township Wilder, or are

01:07:16.110 --> 01:07:18.690
you referring to a bigger state? The state, the

01:07:18.690 --> 01:07:22.230
state, the state overall. So the state has open

01:07:22.230 --> 01:07:27.150
meetings laws that require, you know, that's

01:07:27.150 --> 01:07:29.449
what that's why we have, you know, city council

01:07:29.449 --> 01:07:33.179
meetings and, you know, at the county or whatever

01:07:33.179 --> 01:07:40.300
level. So are those procedures primarily dictated

01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:44.860
by state law? Yeah. But it essentially just requires

01:07:44.860 --> 01:07:47.960
you guys have to have an open public meeting.

01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:49.860
People have to be able to attend and see what

01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:51.940
you're doing. You can't just have meetings behind

01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:54.940
closed doors. Does that include public comment?

01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:58.380
No, but that's what it doesn't require. It doesn't

01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.639
require public comment. And so that's where there's

01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:04.099
been, there's been two bills that to go forth

01:08:04.099 --> 01:08:07.619
in the last two sessions to require public comment,

01:08:07.659 --> 01:08:11.719
but they never even left committee. But it's

01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:13.480
simple. Like we should be allowing people to

01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.100
have a say in what's going on in the government.

01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.800
You know, obviously you can require only you

01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:21.939
know say okay you only have two minutes to speak

01:08:21.939 --> 01:08:24.260
or you only have three minutes to speak or you

01:08:24.260 --> 01:08:27.979
know I just watched uh it was uh last night was

01:08:27.979 --> 01:08:30.619
the the Twin Falls City Council budget meeting

01:08:30.619 --> 01:08:33.819
and and uh someone went up there to speak and

01:08:33.819 --> 01:08:36.739
and they wrote John Hancock for their name and

01:08:36.739 --> 01:08:38.770
they didn't allow him to They didn't allow them

01:08:38.770 --> 01:08:42.609
to speak because they had a fictitious name or

01:08:42.609 --> 01:08:44.869
whatever. Of course. Of course. Yeah. And they're

01:08:44.869 --> 01:08:46.970
like, Hey, nobody does lawfare like the government

01:08:46.970 --> 01:08:49.229
does even at the most lowest and petty levels.

01:08:49.369 --> 01:08:52.250
It's fantastic, but in the worst of ways. Oh

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:53.989
yeah. I mean, who cares? Like, what does, what

01:08:53.989 --> 01:08:56.010
does it matter that someone says their name or

01:08:56.010 --> 01:08:57.989
not? Like we're here talking about surveillance,

01:08:57.989 --> 01:09:00.979
you know what I mean? It's just an, it's just

01:09:00.979 --> 01:09:03.260
a reason to shut talking about surveillance.

01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.460
I don't want to use my real name. Well then sir,

01:09:05.460 --> 01:09:07.220
you don't get to speak because we don't know

01:09:07.220 --> 01:09:09.920
who you are now. Hold still while we put you

01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.960
on camera. There was just, there was just a lady

01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:15.779
that was arrested for that. I can't remember

01:09:15.779 --> 01:09:18.220
where I'd have to look it up. But she was drug

01:09:18.220 --> 01:09:21.600
out of a council meeting of her full name. And

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:23.920
they knew who she was. It's like, you know who

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.239
I am, you know, but they want to play, you know,

01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.359
they want to play another little stroke. And

01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.439
again, it just I gotta say it it goes back. It's

01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.500
bigger than that It is the nature of the state

01:09:33.500 --> 01:09:35.680
and I'm gonna hammer that every single time because

01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.720
I want people Anybody who's who will listen or

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.300
hear to hear it fully understand that is the

01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:43.619
nature of the state This is not this is not one

01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:46.619
-off stuff. This is not like oh, we just didn't

01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:50.180
quote unquote use it properly Or we just it's

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:52.800
not because we don't have the right people in

01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:56.199
positions of power No, no this shit is every

01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.300
day Every day in America, who's in charge? This

01:09:58.300 --> 01:10:01.460
is the nature of the state. It's inherent. I

01:10:01.460 --> 01:10:04.000
was watching that video of the lady getting drug

01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.560
out of the council meeting. But it really made

01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:11.340
me mad. And the reason it made me so mad was

01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:15.699
because there's so many people against these

01:10:15.699 --> 01:10:20.039
systems of mass surveillance. And people across

01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:24.340
the country are going in front of councils that

01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:26.420
don't even listen, that don't even care. And

01:10:26.420 --> 01:10:29.199
it's the same story over and over again. It's

01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.220
like pedantic. And how does it make sense? And

01:10:33.220 --> 01:10:35.319
how is it that we got to the point to where like,

01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.000
it's not a problem with the Wilder City Council.

01:10:38.060 --> 01:10:40.239
It's not a problem with the Caldwell City Council.

01:10:40.300 --> 01:10:43.239
It's not a problem with the Twin Falls City Council.

01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.920
It's a systemic issue across the whole country.

01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:52.800
And I don't understand how how are these the

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:57.560
people that are there that are elected allegedly

01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.479
to, you know, they're supposed to be elected

01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.579
to represent the people and they seem to just

01:11:04.579 --> 01:11:07.239
represent the state's interest. That's right.

01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.020
Yeah, the people who live their lives and mind

01:11:09.020 --> 01:11:10.760
their own live their lives in mind their own

01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:12.939
the people who are natural bent towards meddling

01:11:12.939 --> 01:11:15.979
Gravitate immediately towards love towards meddling

01:11:15.979 --> 01:11:18.500
the the saying that absolute power corrupts.

01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:21.140
Absolutely. No, it's bullshit It's not true and

01:11:21.140 --> 01:11:24.520
I don't and it's not how it works It's that the

01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:30.279
corrupt absolutely seek power So again from my

01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.340
perspective as a libertarian and more specifically

01:11:32.340 --> 01:11:35.300
as an anarchist is we you have to take that away

01:11:35.529 --> 01:11:39.470
don't allow for those things to even exist because

01:11:39.470 --> 01:11:42.090
somebody will always wield them. And even in

01:11:42.090 --> 01:11:44.189
the private sector, of course, you know, that

01:11:44.189 --> 01:11:46.430
happens also as well. You got gangs, cartels,

01:11:46.609 --> 01:11:49.350
blah, blah, blah, blah. But at least they have

01:11:49.350 --> 01:11:52.430
the decency to turn a profit. I can negotiate

01:11:52.430 --> 01:11:55.569
with them. I can legitimately legally fight them

01:11:55.569 --> 01:11:57.710
off physically and violently if I need to or

01:11:57.710 --> 01:12:00.189
want to. Nobody calls me a criminal. Meanwhile,

01:12:00.270 --> 01:12:02.869
if the road pirates stop me for whatever arbitrary

01:12:02.869 --> 01:12:06.779
reason and I shoot one, I am the worst person

01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:08.979
on planet Earth and get the death penalty. But

01:12:08.979 --> 01:12:12.060
if the mafia pulls me over and does the exact

01:12:12.060 --> 01:12:15.460
same thing, extracts money from me over the barrel

01:12:15.460 --> 01:12:18.460
of a gun, and I shoot one of them, I'm a local

01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:20.920
hero. The only difference is the costume and

01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.180
the paperwork. And so there you have it. The

01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:27.520
state versus everybody else. And you ask a good

01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.460
question, Tyler. I hate to sound like the arrogant

01:12:30.460 --> 01:12:32.979
ass that I am, but the answer is pretty simple.

01:12:33.050 --> 01:12:34.829
It's the nature of the state and it's the nature

01:12:34.829 --> 01:12:37.630
of humans of those who late leave those be those

01:12:37.630 --> 01:12:39.989
who don't leave others be. And if it's there,

01:12:40.010 --> 01:12:41.569
the power, if the position of power is there,

01:12:41.670 --> 01:12:43.470
the corrupt will seek it out and they will fill

01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:45.869
it. And most of us are too busy living our lives

01:12:45.869 --> 01:12:50.289
to either stop it or to block it. And by block

01:12:50.289 --> 01:12:52.890
it, that usually would mean us us being the ones

01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:56.930
sitting there. I was president of my HOA for

01:12:56.930 --> 01:12:58.609
my first two homes I lived in now where I live.

01:12:58.630 --> 01:13:01.189
There is no HOA, thank God, where we, you know,

01:13:01.289 --> 01:13:03.149
I'm way up in the North outside of Clark Fork

01:13:03.149 --> 01:13:06.010
and there's many reasons why I'm up here. But

01:13:06.010 --> 01:13:07.489
for the first two neighborhoods, there was an

01:13:07.489 --> 01:13:10.250
HOA. And in both occasions, I actually made a

01:13:10.250 --> 01:13:12.050
point to become the president of the HOA. And

01:13:12.050 --> 01:13:13.550
I did it successfully and then held on to those

01:13:13.550 --> 01:13:16.729
positions for years. And I took, like a classic

01:13:16.729 --> 01:13:20.029
libertarian, I took control and I left everybody

01:13:20.029 --> 01:13:23.409
the fuck alone. and I took the minimum amount

01:13:23.409 --> 01:13:25.829
from everybody that was required by the HOA bylaws,

01:13:26.029 --> 01:13:27.789
and we just maintained the neighborhood, and

01:13:27.789 --> 01:13:30.510
I actually tried to abolish both of them, but

01:13:30.510 --> 01:13:32.489
I couldn't because you have to actually have,

01:13:32.930 --> 01:13:35.050
if everybody has mortgages, then the only way

01:13:35.050 --> 01:13:38.850
you can abolish an HOA is if the mortgagers sign

01:13:38.850 --> 01:13:41.449
off. So homeowners have to sign off on it, but

01:13:41.449 --> 01:13:43.590
then the interested parties, which also happen

01:13:43.590 --> 01:13:46.789
to be the mortgages, the banks, also have to

01:13:46.789 --> 01:13:48.529
sign off, so I could never get it done. But I

01:13:48.529 --> 01:13:50.770
did try to abolish both of them. But at that

01:13:50.770 --> 01:13:53.350
point, my idea was, well, it's either me taking

01:13:53.350 --> 01:13:55.689
this flack for everybody else, and a lot of them

01:13:55.689 --> 01:13:57.430
hate me for it, and a lot of them don't hate

01:13:57.430 --> 01:14:01.329
me for it, or it's little Nazis in their little

01:14:01.329 --> 01:14:05.369
neighborhoods doing Nazi stuff to me. So we had

01:14:05.369 --> 01:14:08.710
to, you know, sit in the seat. And that's how

01:14:08.710 --> 01:14:11.810
this stuff happens. HOAs, city councils, county

01:14:11.810 --> 01:14:15.630
commissioners, state legislators, all the way

01:14:15.630 --> 01:14:18.020
up and down. Well, and there's the entire apparatus

01:14:18.020 --> 01:14:21.140
of the, you know, public education, quote unquote,

01:14:21.380 --> 01:14:24.699
and this program, which we highlighted, the mainstream

01:14:24.699 --> 01:14:29.979
media. They constantly refer to the city councils

01:14:29.979 --> 01:14:32.699
and this and that as leaders. The county leaders,

01:14:33.380 --> 01:14:37.720
elected leaders, the city leaders, they say it

01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.569
constantly and they are... Even though that's

01:14:40.569 --> 01:14:42.069
the opposite of what they are. They're elect.

01:14:42.170 --> 01:14:44.750
You said it. They're Tyler. They're elected representatives,

01:14:44.829 --> 01:14:47.130
which is the opposite of a leader. You're the

01:14:47.130 --> 01:14:51.010
people are the leaders and thank you and the

01:14:51.010 --> 01:14:54.069
People up on the dais are supposed to be representing

01:14:54.069 --> 01:14:57.430
Now they're the leaders and that gets hammered

01:14:57.430 --> 01:15:01.329
home across the board because a I think the people

01:15:01.329 --> 01:15:03.829
on the dais believe themselves to be that and

01:15:03.829 --> 01:15:08.180
then I Just It's a population that loves to be

01:15:08.180 --> 01:15:10.680
ruled, I guess. People just want to be ruled

01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:12.859
as slave mentality. It's like the story of Exodus.

01:15:13.260 --> 01:15:14.859
They're like, hey, man, there was certainly harder

01:15:14.859 --> 01:15:17.539
in Egypt. Yeah, let's go back. Let's go back.

01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:20.319
The slavery was preferable. But it's there's

01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:22.220
a lot of language, subtle and not so subtle.

01:15:22.380 --> 01:15:26.399
Man and Quail is OK. But you know what? I think

01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:29.319
we should probably go back into slavery leaders.

01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.220
Yeah. Okay, we got to do mid show we got to do

01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:35.039
it We have more flock stuff and we got to do

01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:36.939
mid show and I think Tyler just dropped off of

01:15:36.939 --> 01:15:39.140
clean feed So I'm not sure if he's gonna go or

01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:41.819
his thing just crapped out on him, but it is

01:15:41.819 --> 01:15:46.159
time to do he's back. Okay Tyler we got to do

01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:49.140
mid show and then I have a I have more clips

01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:50.760
Are you game to hang out with us and do some

01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:52.199
other stuff for the second half of show? Yeah

01:15:52.350 --> 01:15:56.010
Cool. All right. Awesome. Right on. So you maybe

01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:59.210
I'm not sure if you made it this far in the pro

01:15:59.210 --> 01:16:02.489
of no idea that you've heard this far. But this

01:16:02.489 --> 01:16:04.970
program is a value for value program. That's

01:16:04.970 --> 01:16:06.789
the model we run on a no idea. And now we're

01:16:06.789 --> 01:16:09.189
on episode 43. Yeah, I've been going for a while.

01:16:09.229 --> 01:16:11.250
We're almost about to cross the one year mark

01:16:11.250 --> 01:16:13.170
coming up in October. You know what we forgot

01:16:13.170 --> 01:16:15.989
to do for last episode, Scott? What's that episode

01:16:15.989 --> 01:16:18.409
42? And we absolutely missed an entire opportunity

01:16:18.409 --> 01:16:20.909
to call it the meaning of life. I'm just realizing

01:16:20.909 --> 01:16:23.880
it now. So I think for episode 43, we have to

01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.920
call it the meaning of life just just for the

01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:28.359
fuckery of it. Really? But not not tyranny is

01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.920
a software patch away. Oh, well, if you're going

01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:33.859
to go, if you don't, I don't mind the long windedness,

01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.520
you know, me, a big fan of long windedness brevity

01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:38.659
is not my strong suit. So, yeah, we'll go with

01:16:38.659 --> 01:16:41.760
that if you're cool, if you're keen on it. Value

01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.699
for value is a advertiser free outside influence

01:16:45.699 --> 01:16:48.880
free, no sponsor meetings, no nothing model.

01:16:49.020 --> 01:16:52.149
It's really a straightforward model. And it's

01:16:52.149 --> 01:16:54.810
yeah, this program brought to you by the fine

01:16:54.810 --> 01:16:58.810
folks at Motorola. Yes, Motorola. Yes, Motorola.

01:16:59.090 --> 01:17:00.590
We don't do any of that. There's no libraries.

01:17:00.670 --> 01:17:03.270
There's no promotion of anything. And the reason

01:17:03.270 --> 01:17:05.010
is because we value liberty on this program.

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I got articles, lots and lots of stuff, and I

01:18:12.460 --> 01:18:14.039
appreciate you guys taking the time to send all

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that stuff in, keeping us front of mind. It's

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huge. Leaving ratings and reviews on whatever

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hire Tyler to figure out how to get our Facebook

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page up to 26 ,000 followers. I know. I've never

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done any of this. He's been doing this since

01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:30.939
April? Yeah, really. I've never done anything

01:18:30.939 --> 01:18:34.569
in my life. Five months and I'm already eclipsing

01:18:34.569 --> 01:18:36.630
everything you guys have done in a year I grabbed

01:18:36.630 --> 01:18:39.149
I grabbed a torch and just started walking toward

01:18:39.149 --> 01:18:40.989
the city council chambers and next thing you

01:18:40.989 --> 01:18:43.289
know I turned around and all 200 people in the

01:18:43.289 --> 01:18:51.810
town were behind me Yes 15 second like a do a

01:18:51.810 --> 01:18:54.569
15 second short like real that's all you got

01:18:54.569 --> 01:18:59.590
to do It's that simple I know this program I

01:18:59.590 --> 01:19:02.529
have yeah, but like this is well, it's an audio

01:19:02.529 --> 01:19:04.289
show. You're right I mean, I I know I keep being

01:19:04.289 --> 01:19:08.109
told that it's the short form, but brevity is

01:19:08.109 --> 01:19:10.510
not our strong suit in a sound bite world We're

01:19:10.510 --> 01:19:12.689
singing the opera over here. That's pretty much

01:19:12.689 --> 01:19:14.869
it This is the long the the long form is really

01:19:14.869 --> 01:19:16.510
the only way to truly dissect these things like

01:19:16.510 --> 01:19:19.600
to get to get all the the clicks and the The

01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.579
sort of critical mass of followers and stuff,

01:19:21.739 --> 01:19:23.760
yes. And for your purposes, for the political

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:26.159
purposes, makes complete sense. For the purposes

01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.100
of audio, just like a dissemination and, you

01:19:30.100 --> 01:19:32.359
know, whatever, commentary and media deconstruction

01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.239
in this format, it doesn't work in short form.

01:19:35.420 --> 01:19:38.000
So I just need to I need to get someone on board

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.380
with this, you know, some Gen Z or that's better

01:19:40.380 --> 01:19:42.960
at that stuff. Do like, though. how I asked Tyler,

01:19:43.060 --> 01:19:44.659
how do you do it? He gives us the answer and

01:19:44.659 --> 01:19:46.819
we're like, nah, nah, that doesn't. I don't even

01:19:46.819 --> 01:19:49.520
know. I don't. I don't even. I just posted. I

01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.560
sort of posted people speaking myself and other

01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:54.720
people speaking at council meetings. And then

01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.399
it just kind of blew up. And I would just cut

01:19:57.399 --> 01:19:59.819
those up in different ways. And then there is

01:19:59.819 --> 01:20:02.819
video. My big, the big thing, the big thing I've

01:20:02.819 --> 01:20:06.319
learned to use CapCut. I had no clue how to how

01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:09.600
to do that. But I've had help, you know, from.

01:20:10.060 --> 01:20:13.260
some other people that make content have kind

01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:17.279
of shown me how to, you know, shown me how or,

01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:20.460
or they'd made content for the page. And then

01:20:20.460 --> 01:20:22.300
I'm just like, okay, well, let me figure out

01:20:22.300 --> 01:20:27.600
how to do the same thing, you know? And so, yeah,

01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.960
I mean, I just kind of shitpost and it works.

01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.579
Well, okay, we could, I can do that shitposting.

01:20:34.739 --> 01:20:36.800
Yeah. And I can speak in my language. Like, I

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:38.979
mean, I mean, we had, I could only speak in memes.

01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.760
Well, we had a MAGA mom. She's on the council

01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.119
city council of Nampa And I went and spoke at

01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.579
their their council meeting and it was it was

01:20:49.579 --> 01:20:52.680
pointless the I'd actually met with their mayor

01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:54.100
and I met with their mayor and then when I'm

01:20:54.100 --> 01:20:57.500
leaving the police officer that What's his name?

01:20:58.619 --> 01:21:04.560
Someone with an s some bullcrap Anyways, he like

01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.989
he like forced me out the door. Like we were

01:21:07.989 --> 01:21:10.210
done talking and, and, um, cause they showed

01:21:10.210 --> 01:21:12.270
me their real time crime center. I don't even

01:21:12.270 --> 01:21:16.069
know why the mayor took me. I wanted to sit there

01:21:16.069 --> 01:21:19.529
and talk to the, um, you know, talk to the mayor.

01:21:19.989 --> 01:21:22.350
And then he takes me to the real time crime center.

01:21:22.789 --> 01:21:24.949
And, uh, the officers are, you know, they're,

01:21:25.149 --> 01:21:27.630
they start, we're arguing over, it's like four

01:21:27.630 --> 01:21:30.510
of them versus me. And they're arguing, you know,

01:21:30.989 --> 01:21:33.430
how, how great their system is. And I'm like,

01:21:33.430 --> 01:21:36.430
you're you're sharing with these people. And

01:21:36.430 --> 01:21:38.729
you know, this is, is this, this is how it works.

01:21:40.289 --> 01:21:42.770
But at the end, when one, one interesting point

01:21:42.770 --> 01:21:45.390
is that officer's like, well, at one point he's

01:21:45.390 --> 01:21:48.109
like, my mom doesn't even like these cameras.

01:21:48.470 --> 01:21:51.729
It's like, like my mom doesn't support my job.

01:21:51.729 --> 01:21:54.470
You should listen to your mother. And we've had

01:21:54.470 --> 01:21:57.689
hard conversations because of my mom. Yeah. Lieutenant

01:21:57.689 --> 01:22:01.689
Chad Shepard with the Nampa. police department.

01:22:02.310 --> 01:22:04.550
Dude, that guy sounds like a guy who will beat

01:22:04.550 --> 01:22:08.529
you up for being black. Chad Shepard. He used

01:22:08.529 --> 01:22:11.569
to play high school football till he injured.

01:22:11.630 --> 01:22:13.890
He was going to go pro till he injured his knee.

01:22:14.329 --> 01:22:17.789
Now he's, he's just an ISP trooper with a hard

01:22:17.789 --> 01:22:20.189
on for catching criminals on the road going six

01:22:20.189 --> 01:22:22.270
miles over the speed limit. What his ex wife

01:22:22.270 --> 01:22:24.510
said on that, on that court proceeding. That's

01:22:24.510 --> 01:22:26.529
all it's allegations. They have not been proven.

01:22:28.510 --> 01:22:31.550
Allegedly. Allegedly raised my voice and wagged

01:22:31.550 --> 01:22:33.770
my finger at her sir that I don't know where

01:22:33.770 --> 01:22:35.970
that black guy came from I only told her once

01:22:35.970 --> 01:22:41.189
so he So yeah, he I'm like leaving right we're

01:22:41.189 --> 01:22:43.850
like done talking and I stopped it in the doorway

01:22:43.850 --> 01:22:47.010
and I'm looking at the screen and Because they

01:22:47.010 --> 01:22:49.130
have this huge screen and it's just like plastered

01:22:49.130 --> 01:22:52.449
with people driving around town and I can't remember

01:22:52.449 --> 01:22:56.210
what I was gonna ask I was gonna ask something

01:22:56.210 --> 01:22:58.739
but he like He doesn't push me, but he, you know,

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:01.359
like when someone like firmly like touches you

01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.039
to like move you. And so he like firmly like

01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:06.260
moves me through the door. And then I'm like,

01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.260
I'm like in the hallway and I stopped and I'm

01:23:09.260 --> 01:23:12.239
like waiting for the mayor to come out. And he's

01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:13.979
like, you need to leave. And he tries like pushing

01:23:13.979 --> 01:23:17.520
me again and like to the elevator. And, and I'm

01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.619
like, I'm waiting on the mayor, dude. It's so

01:23:20.619 --> 01:23:23.859
anyways. Stop resisting, sir. Stop resisting.

01:23:24.619 --> 01:23:26.779
I seem to be getting close to that, you know?

01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.840
So anyways, so anyways, I go to the council meeting

01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.720
and I spoke and I brought up. points of, you

01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.619
know, how Motorola shares their data with, um,

01:23:36.619 --> 01:23:39.460
the Thomas Reuters clear system and, you know,

01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.340
other valid concerns with their system. And,

01:23:42.340 --> 01:23:44.239
uh, he goes up there and just starts naming me

01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:46.159
by name. He's like, I don't know what Mr. Kane

01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.760
thinks he knows and blah, blah, blah, blah, running

01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:51.779
this like very like emotional, like one of his,

01:23:51.779 --> 01:23:54.939
his points was if these were illegal, the attorney

01:23:54.939 --> 01:23:59.800
general would have done something about it. They

01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:06.579
only. Guys, it's okay. It's legal. What else

01:24:06.579 --> 01:24:09.260
do you need to know? It's perfectly legal. It's

01:24:09.260 --> 01:24:12.020
okay. Mr. Kane just doesn't get it. He's just

01:24:12.020 --> 01:24:14.159
another citizen who doesn't get it. He's operating

01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:15.859
on misinformation. I don't know what he thinks

01:24:15.859 --> 01:24:17.880
he knows, but if he just knew the right things,

01:24:17.939 --> 01:24:21.560
he wouldn't think the way he does. That's the

01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:23.159
exact argument. I mean, that's exactly what he

01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.720
went up there and said. And so he kept my name

01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.300
and my mouth, my name in his mouth, you know,

01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.649
running it. And then Magamom, who is like this

01:24:31.649 --> 01:24:34.310
Facebook influencer who's also just happens to

01:24:34.310 --> 01:24:38.550
sit on the city council. Um, she starts going

01:24:38.550 --> 01:24:41.050
around saying, we don't have flock, which they

01:24:41.050 --> 01:24:43.130
don't, but she's like, we don't operate mass

01:24:43.130 --> 01:24:45.810
surveillance and we don't do this. And Nampa's

01:24:45.810 --> 01:24:47.390
blah, blah, blah, blah, just spouting all this

01:24:47.390 --> 01:24:50.090
stuff about how great Nampa's mass surveillance

01:24:50.090 --> 01:24:53.850
program is. And so I start going at her and I

01:24:53.850 --> 01:24:55.649
make this, I made, I took her like Facebook thing

01:24:55.649 --> 01:24:58.489
and I made it like, uh, what was it? It was,

01:24:58.489 --> 01:25:03.739
it was surveillance mom. And then I was like,

01:25:03.739 --> 01:25:05.779
I changed the thing. I was, it says communist

01:25:05.779 --> 01:25:08.100
voice cutting through privacy, defending mass

01:25:08.100 --> 01:25:11.260
surveillance comrades and control in a free world

01:25:11.260 --> 01:25:16.020
unapologetically stalking. Oh, I do it. You could

01:25:16.020 --> 01:25:17.600
do, I'll do you one better. You make a poster

01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.619
of surveillance mom and be like, are you, are

01:25:19.619 --> 01:25:23.760
you kids behaving in here? It's so dude. So what's

01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:28.229
so funny is, is so She's this mega mom. She's

01:25:28.229 --> 01:25:31.109
she's on the council. She's using her mega mom

01:25:31.109 --> 01:25:34.510
platform to, to, you know, relay information

01:25:34.510 --> 01:25:38.010
that's going on in the city. She blocks deflock

01:25:38.010 --> 01:25:43.109
Idaho, just blocks us. And, um, but it's like,

01:25:43.210 --> 01:25:44.989
you don't even have enough skin, you know, thick

01:25:44.989 --> 01:25:48.189
skin to deal with, you know, a couple of memes,

01:25:48.250 --> 01:25:51.869
um, when you're, you know, you've won the argument.

01:25:53.270 --> 01:25:56.649
When they just, uh, block, you're like, Oh, I

01:25:56.649 --> 01:25:58.989
guess I won. Did I win? He doesn't feel like

01:25:58.989 --> 01:26:01.449
winning, but I'm pretty sure I won. But she wasn't

01:26:01.449 --> 01:26:03.210
even, you know, she didn't want to have it educated,

01:26:03.210 --> 01:26:06.010
you know, to, to understand how these work or

01:26:06.010 --> 01:26:08.829
anything. And what's so funny to say that somebody

01:26:08.829 --> 01:26:12.750
who goes by the handle MAGA didn't want to listen.

01:26:12.949 --> 01:26:15.550
Well, and so what they do, what they do, and

01:26:15.550 --> 01:26:20.329
I saw this a lot with Nampa and I, when the mayor

01:26:20.329 --> 01:26:23.220
took me to the to the crime center, they're like,

01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:28.060
these are the experts. And so it's always this.

01:26:28.220 --> 01:26:31.140
Scott loves those people. Scott is a super duper

01:26:31.140 --> 01:26:33.380
fan of the experts. Tell us more about the experts.

01:26:33.500 --> 01:26:36.000
Yeah, continue. And then I have a little vignette

01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:38.359
on. Yeah. So, Scott, don't even worry about it.

01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:40.600
Tyler said the experts are on it, man. Flock's

01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:43.439
OK now. It's cool. The experts. These people

01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:45.479
think they're like trust the experts and it's

01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.300
the same thing that happened like, you know,

01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.859
during COVID. Trust the experts. Trust the experts.

01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:56.720
And, um, but really like these people, this person,

01:26:56.939 --> 01:26:58.939
that's a, that's when you're talking about a

01:26:58.939 --> 01:27:02.340
police officer or, uh, you know, there's a difference

01:27:02.340 --> 01:27:05.539
between, you know, a sheriff and, and a police

01:27:05.539 --> 01:27:08.500
department. So the Nampa police department is

01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:11.680
bureaucrats. The police chief is a bureaucrat.

01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.920
Yes. They're, they're not an elected official

01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:18.279
and, and, and Chad Shepard is Lieutenant Chad

01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:22.680
Shepard is a bureaucrat who's defending his salary.

01:27:22.899 --> 01:27:25.460
And that doesn't make someone an expert. That

01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:29.079
makes them a person trying to collect a paycheck.

01:27:29.619 --> 01:27:31.460
And so sorry to do this to you again, Tyler,

01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:33.699
but you basically, once again, just described

01:27:33.699 --> 01:27:37.050
the state in a nutshell. Bureaucrats who would

01:27:37.050 --> 01:27:39.989
otherwise not have a as good of a job or any

01:27:39.989 --> 01:27:42.069
job in the free market or in the private sector

01:27:42.069 --> 01:27:44.989
But they have it here because the state and they

01:27:44.989 --> 01:27:47.229
are defending their existence That's why it's

01:27:47.229 --> 01:27:49.050
so hard to dismantle any of it because they have

01:27:49.050 --> 01:27:51.829
a vested interest in it existing Everything they

01:27:51.829 --> 01:27:56.189
do is as is a defense against the likes of us

01:27:56.189 --> 01:27:59.210
Here's Lori Wolf Tyler. This is Lori Wolf. She

01:27:59.210 --> 01:28:01.729
works a hand -in -hand with Governor tiny doing

01:28:01.729 --> 01:28:04.090
the budget. I'm happy to be a bureaucrat She

01:28:04.090 --> 01:28:06.390
loves it. I like your taxes. She doesn't want

01:28:06.390 --> 01:28:08.149
to pay taxes, but you know what? I like your

01:28:08.149 --> 01:28:13.489
taxes. She likes ours. Oh, geez. I guarantee

01:28:13.489 --> 01:28:17.510
you she pays a CPA $10 ,000 a year to pay a lot

01:28:17.510 --> 01:28:20.229
less taxes. No, it is a scary laugh. Listen again.

01:28:23.579 --> 01:28:25.020
I'm happy to be a bureaucrat. It's like the Kamala

01:28:25.020 --> 01:28:27.960
Harris laugh. Totally. It's a Kamala cackle.

01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:29.659
Yeah. And here, you know what? Here's some, we're

01:28:29.659 --> 01:28:31.180
still, we're still technically in the value for

01:28:31.180 --> 01:28:32.720
value segment. Here's a little bonus. Yeah, we

01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.380
are. We have, we have donor notes to read. Do

01:28:35.380 --> 01:28:37.800
we have a? Yes. Oh, sweet. Let's do it. Sorry,

01:28:37.899 --> 01:28:39.840
Tyler. We'll pick it back. Hold that thought.

01:28:40.060 --> 01:28:41.720
We're going to hear that. I have to play this

01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:43.359
though. Here's some bonus content in the value

01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:46.140
for value segment. This is from KTVB. Idaho kindergartners

01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:48.939
are heading back to class with vaccination exemption

01:28:48.939 --> 01:28:52.239
rates well above the national average. New CDC.

01:28:52.539 --> 01:28:55.619
Yay. seventeen point five percent of idaho kindergartners

01:28:55.619 --> 01:28:58.439
had an exemption for at least one required vaccine

01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:00.859
last school year that there is more four point

01:29:00.859 --> 01:29:03.520
two percent nationwide national and then more

01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:05.939
vaccination rates have also fall into ninety

01:29:05.939 --> 01:29:08.680
two point four percent below the ninety five

01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.500
level consider necessary to prevent measles outbreaks

01:29:12.500 --> 01:29:15.039
the idaho immunization coalition is urging parents

01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:17.399
to check their children's records and talk with

01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:19.640
their health care providers about any overdue

01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:22.119
vaccines not been actually say it in the title

01:29:23.410 --> 01:29:25.510
immunization coalition. How much public money

01:29:25.510 --> 01:29:27.829
do you think they get? Well, I have some answers

01:29:27.829 --> 01:29:29.449
for you on that. I dug into them a little bit.

01:29:29.449 --> 01:29:30.909
And then they didn't they didn't actually, Tyler,

01:29:30.909 --> 01:29:33.750
in this clip use the word experts, but they almost

01:29:33.750 --> 01:29:36.029
always do. There was one from NPR on this same

01:29:36.029 --> 01:29:38.529
topic. And they did say, you know, according

01:29:38.529 --> 01:29:40.770
to experts, you need the 95 percent threshold

01:29:40.770 --> 01:29:43.590
of vaccination so that the your your kid who's

01:29:43.590 --> 01:29:45.890
protected needs to be protected from the unprotected

01:29:45.890 --> 01:29:48.130
by forcing the unprotected to get the protection

01:29:48.130 --> 01:29:50.550
that didn't protect the protected kid. You know,

01:29:50.550 --> 01:29:53.359
but they don't know about being protected. could

01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:57.500
kill you. But they they will always they'll quote,

01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:00.600
oh, the CDC says this and experts say that as

01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:03.600
if there's just all the credibility in the world

01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:06.140
for the CDC and experts like the like the last

01:30:06.140 --> 01:30:08.779
six years never happened. If you have any questions

01:30:08.779 --> 01:30:11.060
about the legitimacy of that that sort of verbiage

01:30:11.060 --> 01:30:13.199
or whoever it is they're quoting, or how do you

01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.079
know not to listen? How do you know which experts

01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:16.659
to listen to? What about this expert who says

01:30:16.659 --> 01:30:19.359
the opposite? They just trotted out there. It's

01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:20.699
that goes back to what I was talking about earlier.

01:30:20.699 --> 01:30:23.850
They're like exasperated. with us for questioning

01:30:23.850 --> 01:30:25.689
the credibility of all this stuff, even though

01:30:25.689 --> 01:30:27.670
all they've ever done is dash their credibility

01:30:27.670 --> 01:30:33.529
against the rocks. Hello, peasants. Are the experts

01:30:33.529 --> 01:30:35.670
in the room with us? Yeah, are they watching

01:30:35.670 --> 01:30:39.350
us right now? Yeah, that what was that organization?

01:30:39.670 --> 01:30:41.350
To prevent measles outbreaks. It depends on whether

01:30:41.350 --> 01:30:44.369
you guys would call our assigned fed boys experts.

01:30:45.210 --> 01:30:48.779
If so, then yes. The Idaho Immunization Coalition

01:30:48.779 --> 01:30:51.720
is the Idaho Immunization Coalition. OK, so I

01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:53.680
look now, who's that? They just go right past

01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.319
it, doesn't it? Now, they're a private organization.

01:30:56.500 --> 01:30:58.760
They're not governmental. But let me give you

01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:03.140
a couple. No, no, no, no. But I bet they operate

01:31:03.140 --> 01:31:06.119
on grants. And come on, man, you know the game

01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:09.779
here. So I win. So not only do they operate heavily

01:31:09.779 --> 01:31:12.859
on grants, not only does the it's what is it?

01:31:14.300 --> 01:31:17.840
Over a hundred thousand dollars in annual compensation

01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.239
for the executive director of this organization

01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:24.539
They have received about $80 ,000 from Pfizer

01:31:24.539 --> 01:31:28.170
directly documented payments from Pfizer. And

01:31:28.170 --> 01:31:30.369
so I can't imagine what incentive Pfizer would

01:31:30.369 --> 01:31:32.090
have. You were saying a second ago, Tyler, about

01:31:32.090 --> 01:31:34.329
the guy, the expert is just on the stand defending

01:31:34.329 --> 01:31:37.890
his job and his salary. Well, what incentive

01:31:37.890 --> 01:31:41.710
might exist for Pfizer to use Idaho NPR to describe

01:31:41.710 --> 01:31:43.789
how important your kid getting vaccinated against

01:31:43.789 --> 01:31:45.750
measles is on account of the kid next to him

01:31:45.750 --> 01:31:49.649
is vaccinated but needs to be protected? Would

01:31:49.649 --> 01:31:52.220
you like to know more? Yeah, and there's a lot

01:31:52.220 --> 01:31:54.920
more to it too. And there's also been a massive

01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:59.739
funding increase for this particular group. In

01:31:59.739 --> 01:32:05.220
2019, its annual revenue was $145K. In 2024,

01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:09.060
it was $1 .52 million. What happened between

01:32:09.060 --> 01:32:13.920
2020 and 2025? I don't know. What could possibly

01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:19.239
have happened? I'll bet you too that Tyler's

01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:22.920
probably seen very similar stuff with the flock

01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:25.460
and Motorola cameras and whatnot. You got to

01:32:25.460 --> 01:32:27.140
know pockets are being lined on that side of

01:32:27.140 --> 01:32:29.079
things as well. They have to be being lined.

01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:33.500
We had, I got, well, so there was this rash of

01:32:33.500 --> 01:32:37.859
police departments. A rash, get a vaccine. But

01:32:37.859 --> 01:32:41.319
they were doing like just constant social media

01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:45.279
and it was like nationwide. And so there was

01:32:45.529 --> 01:32:47.850
from other people and then, and then from us,

01:32:47.890 --> 01:32:49.449
but there was a ton of records requests done.

01:32:49.670 --> 01:32:52.350
They found, um, you know, flock was building

01:32:52.350 --> 01:32:56.670
has like worksheets to give to, this is how you

01:32:56.670 --> 01:32:59.250
talk to the public at a council meeting, like

01:32:59.250 --> 01:33:02.149
telling police departments how to do that. Uh,

01:33:02.329 --> 01:33:06.130
and then, and then even where we, we, we got

01:33:06.130 --> 01:33:09.890
emails from, uh, twin falls where before we went

01:33:09.890 --> 01:33:12.130
to there, we had like two probably, I don't even

01:33:12.130 --> 01:33:13.930
know account. I mean, it had to be like 200.

01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:17.560
250 people it was their whole room was packed

01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:20.659
the the there's a watch room that was packed

01:33:20.659 --> 01:33:23.500
the hallway was packed like there was just that

01:33:23.500 --> 01:33:25.420
many people there at the first council meeting

01:33:25.420 --> 01:33:30.140
we went to to speak about flock and um But we

01:33:30.140 --> 01:33:32.479
got emails from them leading up to that meeting

01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:34.859
where they were asking flock for help They're

01:33:34.859 --> 01:33:37.199
like we need help before our meeting because

01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:39.680
it's gonna be and they were they were referring

01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:42.560
to Caldwell They're like they're like we it's

01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:44.260
it's gonna be an event like Caldwell because

01:33:44.260 --> 01:33:47.039
we did we did one in Caldwell where we it was

01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.140
a standing room only As well, but they were they're

01:33:51.140 --> 01:33:55.539
like scared they're like scared of the the taxpayers

01:33:55.539 --> 01:33:58.659
accountability They're scared of the people and

01:33:58.659 --> 01:34:01.460
they need they need flock to hold their hand

01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:04.659
and tell them to tell them how they should address

01:34:04.659 --> 01:34:08.060
the public about the mass surveillance system

01:34:08.060 --> 01:34:12.800
they implemented. It's absolutely insane. They're

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.779
used to doing this shit in the dark. Yes, and

01:34:15.779 --> 01:34:20.250
they should be scared. They should be. The thing

01:34:20.250 --> 01:34:22.850
is they're scared but they're not actually going

01:34:22.850 --> 01:34:24.869
to change course. See, that's really the issue.

01:34:25.210 --> 01:34:26.329
It's that they're not actually going to change

01:34:26.329 --> 01:34:28.050
course. Well, because there's no real consequences.

01:34:28.409 --> 01:34:29.930
There's no real consequences. They're scared

01:34:29.930 --> 01:34:31.529
of how to deal with the interim. They trotted

01:34:31.529 --> 01:34:34.489
out Fauci. It's like when they trotted out Fauci

01:34:34.489 --> 01:34:36.210
last week or two weeks ago and a bunch of people

01:34:36.210 --> 01:34:39.390
on the MAGA were like, yeah, get some Fauci.

01:34:40.649 --> 01:34:43.270
You and I sat there and went, we know. Nothing's

01:34:43.270 --> 01:34:45.430
going to happen. I mean, the guy who's sitting

01:34:45.430 --> 01:34:47.670
president right now gave Fauci a fucking medal.

01:34:48.329 --> 01:34:50.289
You think anything's actually going to happen

01:34:50.289 --> 01:34:52.250
to the guy? No, he went up there. He sat there

01:34:52.250 --> 01:34:54.069
for a whole day, pleaded the fifth, took his

01:34:54.069 --> 01:34:56.130
lumps like a man, still got his platinum parachute.

01:34:56.430 --> 01:34:59.409
Who cares? He wins. He wins. If all else fails,

01:34:59.449 --> 01:35:01.229
he can always move back to the motherland of

01:35:01.229 --> 01:35:04.069
Israel and he'll be fine. Oh, I knew you were

01:35:04.069 --> 01:35:05.689
going to bust that out. I gave it to you. I handed

01:35:05.689 --> 01:35:06.409
it to you on a T. If all else fails, he can always

01:35:06.409 --> 01:35:07.590
move back to the motherland of Israel and he'll

01:35:07.590 --> 01:35:13.199
be fine. I thought he was Jewish. You apparently

01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.180
weren't alone. I got a couple different notes

01:35:15.180 --> 01:35:17.300
this week that from people that were like so

01:35:17.300 --> 01:35:21.640
did I Yeah, thank you. Yeah, see it's actually

01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:24.039
like this is why it's noteworthy It's cuz one

01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.420
it's one of the few like actual swings and a

01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:29.640
miss I've had and you know 12 months of podcasting

01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:32.779
and I I'm you know, I I just missed that one.

01:35:32.779 --> 01:35:37.039
Oh, well what you gonna do? Hey speaking of rashes

01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:41.220
funding and missing people and stuff let's uh

01:35:41.149 --> 01:35:44.729
Finish this. Yes, contributors. Yes. So if you

01:35:44.729 --> 01:35:47.850
break value for value means like I was saying,

01:35:47.890 --> 01:35:49.909
contributing back time, talent or treasure. We

01:35:49.909 --> 01:35:52.090
went through some of the time and talent ways

01:35:52.090 --> 01:35:54.750
to contribute back value all at no ID show dot

01:35:54.750 --> 01:35:57.409
com. Telling people about the show is a huge

01:35:57.409 --> 01:35:58.970
value add. Probably one of the most valuable

01:35:58.970 --> 01:36:01.550
things you can do right now that's non non treasure

01:36:01.550 --> 01:36:04.390
oriented is let people know about the show. Let

01:36:04.390 --> 01:36:06.529
word of mouth is how things like this grow. So

01:36:06.529 --> 01:36:08.409
that's a huge value add. I disagree with Scott.

01:36:08.539 --> 01:36:10.539
Referrals are the real treasure, because as we

01:36:10.539 --> 01:36:12.739
all know, the real treasure is the friends we

01:36:12.739 --> 01:36:21.619
make along the way. Anyway, moving along, I'm

01:36:21.619 --> 01:36:23.640
so glad Tyler didn't speak either. I was like,

01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:27.619
give it give it six Mississippi of silence. The

01:36:27.619 --> 01:36:31.640
true treasure portion of time talent treasure

01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:35.189
makes you an executive producer. of that week's

01:36:35.189 --> 01:36:38.430
episode and episode 43. There are a couple different

01:36:38.430 --> 01:36:40.649
executive producers to thank with treasure donations.

01:36:41.069 --> 01:36:45.109
Let's start off with a repeated executive producer.

01:36:45.270 --> 01:36:46.609
And at this point, we'll probably have to come

01:36:46.609 --> 01:36:48.829
up with a different and better title for him.

01:36:49.369 --> 01:36:54.869
Kevin Killian is back. Hey, Kevin! With a 49

01:36:54.869 --> 01:37:01.670
.99. He said, figure your sounds out, Paul Michael

01:37:01.670 --> 01:37:07.279
Banducci. I better hear me a 999. Hey, what?

01:37:07.579 --> 01:37:10.859
Damn. Is that a real time flack throwing right

01:37:10.859 --> 01:37:13.020
now? Was he just listening in and did this just

01:37:13.020 --> 01:37:14.699
now or something? No, no, that came in last week.

01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.119
So I think it was all about your outlook, your

01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.920
outlook alerts that kept going off. Oh, oh, that.

01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:22.640
OK, I thought you meant the me not having the

01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:25.220
sound drop for the 999 part. I was like, oh,

01:37:25.420 --> 01:37:28.869
no, I know. I'll have you know I turn my email

01:37:28.869 --> 01:37:31.529
off today But I keep it up sometimes because

01:37:31.529 --> 01:37:33.310
that's where some of my articles are that I want

01:37:33.310 --> 01:37:36.729
to discuss For this podcast and if I don't keep

01:37:36.729 --> 01:37:40.949
them up, I'll forget Okay, well there's your

01:37:40.949 --> 01:37:44.270
I think we should call Kevin the glorious supreme

01:37:44.270 --> 01:37:46.989
Chalupa leader that will be his new executive

01:37:46.989 --> 01:37:53.609
producer title Next sorry, I lost my tab here.

01:37:53.609 --> 01:37:58.029
This is from Oh, they want to keep it anonymous.

01:37:58.510 --> 01:38:00.949
OK. And it is one hundred eleven dollars. Eleven

01:38:00.949 --> 01:38:04.670
cents. One one one dot one one. And that is a

01:38:04.670 --> 01:38:08.550
row of Schmeckles from anonymous. Appreciate

01:38:08.550 --> 01:38:12.329
it. Any notes? No, no. He says he actually. No,

01:38:12.430 --> 01:38:15.510
no. This person says no note. So I guess that

01:38:15.510 --> 01:38:22.829
technically is a note. So, but we'll we'll. The

01:38:22.829 --> 01:38:25.970
files are in the computer. It's so simple. We

01:38:25.970 --> 01:38:28.590
greatly appreciate the row of Schmeckels and

01:38:28.590 --> 01:38:32.529
Kevin Killian with his $49 .99 and thus concluded.

01:38:32.850 --> 01:38:34.729
Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Anonymous. I'll

01:38:34.729 --> 01:38:39.090
take you down there for 25 Schmeckels. 25 Schmeckels?

01:38:39.590 --> 01:38:41.109
I don't know what that is. Is that a lot? Is

01:38:41.109 --> 01:38:44.149
it a little? Thank you guys very much. NoIDShow

01:38:44.149 --> 01:38:46.329
.com. Please contribute back value if you find

01:38:46.329 --> 01:38:48.090
our program valuable. Value for value model.

01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:50.800
Oh, and as the mothership, by the way, that pioneered

01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.960
the value for value model, John and Adam on No

01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.619
Agenda. Here we have a new addition to the soundboard

01:38:55.619 --> 01:38:59.579
from Adam Curry, the pod father. I guess that

01:38:59.579 --> 01:39:06.090
North Idaho show is doing okay. What? Did he

01:39:06.090 --> 01:39:09.050
talk about us? Yeah, because Sir Ducifer, who

01:39:09.050 --> 01:39:11.310
co -hosted the last show, was like, you know,

01:39:11.329 --> 01:39:12.850
I've gone up to North Idaho, I've hung out with

01:39:12.850 --> 01:39:15.550
those guys, and Sir Scott the Jew, and Adam's

01:39:15.550 --> 01:39:18.229
heard our show before, but I just love his, like,

01:39:18.229 --> 01:39:21.489
oh, because people have written him and be like,

01:39:21.510 --> 01:39:23.470
hey, you gotta have Scott on the show. And this,

01:39:23.510 --> 01:39:26.069
you know, when Ducifer brought us up, Adam said

01:39:26.069 --> 01:39:29.310
- I guess that North Idaho show is doing okay.

01:39:30.069 --> 01:39:36.510
I love it. Cool. Cool. All right. All right.

01:39:36.729 --> 01:39:38.970
So well the second half of show we got some more

01:39:38.970 --> 01:39:41.109
flock stuff while Tyler Kane is hanging out with

01:39:41.109 --> 01:39:43.970
us Community organizer Tyler Kane. Do you want

01:39:43.970 --> 01:39:47.270
to do a song and a quick pee break? Yes, and

01:39:47.270 --> 01:39:49.520
yes Okay, as long as I mean, you know, I mean,

01:39:49.539 --> 01:39:50.840
it's it's only like three and a half minutes

01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:52.180
more. So I don't think it's going to make a break,

01:39:52.180 --> 01:39:53.720
Tyler, as long as she's willing to stick with

01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:55.340
us. And if not, that's cool. Are you good on

01:39:55.340 --> 01:39:57.600
time, Tyler? Yeah, plenty. Yeah, plenty of time.

01:39:57.840 --> 01:39:59.659
Awesome. This will definitely be a longer episode.

01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:01.220
But what are you going to do? There is a there's

01:40:01.220 --> 01:40:03.739
a story that I'd like to get added in maybe while

01:40:03.739 --> 01:40:06.479
we're on break. That might be a good one. But

01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:08.380
do you want to like email me a link and I'll

01:40:08.380 --> 01:40:10.960
take a look at it? Yeah, I'll pull it up. Yeah.

01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:13.939
OK, sweet. All right. Right on. All right. DJ

01:40:13.939 --> 01:40:15.560
Paul's got a song and we'll be back in a few.

01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.020
All right, this is about the relationship between

01:40:20.020 --> 01:40:49.640
the state and us enjoy See you in your dreams

01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:55.880
I want you to want me I would fall from the sky

01:40:55.880 --> 01:41:02.880
Cross my heart and hope to die Turn my back from

01:41:02.880 --> 01:43:53.569
heaven's eyes Just to be with you You made me

01:43:53.569 --> 01:43:58.189
do it. You did this to us citizens. COVID forced

01:43:58.189 --> 01:44:00.109
the racketeer to close while allowing Home Depot

01:44:00.109 --> 01:44:03.090
to continue operating, and 9 -11 caused the Patriot

01:44:03.090 --> 01:44:06.090
Act, and AI caused the employees to be fired,

01:44:06.229 --> 01:44:08.930
and crime is causing the installation of ALPRs.

01:44:09.689 --> 01:44:11.229
And inflation is why we're going to tax you 12

01:44:11.229 --> 01:44:14.470
% this year as a city. Yes. Inflation is why

01:44:14.470 --> 01:44:16.029
we need to up the city's budget and raise your

01:44:16.029 --> 01:44:18.590
taxes. Inflation is why. Give us your money.

01:44:19.430 --> 01:44:23.100
Violent video games cause Columbine. No, that

01:44:23.100 --> 01:44:25.300
was the matrix. Yeah, you're right by the Wachowski

01:44:25.300 --> 01:44:27.159
sisters. You can't play video games. Yeah, you

01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:32.819
blame Hollywood Oh and Marilyn Manson Yes, we

01:44:32.819 --> 01:44:38.439
can hear you Okay Second half of show and we

01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:40.600
have lots more flock stuff Tyler. You just sent

01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:43.340
me this clip, which I Did not I'm just pulling

01:44:43.340 --> 01:44:45.000
it up straight on YouTube. We're just we're doing

01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:47.800
it live We have other stuff to get to besides

01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:49.800
flock, but of course demos, bro. I hate those

01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:51.699
things while we have Tyler here We're just gonna

01:44:51.699 --> 01:44:56.539
keep going Today's luck day luck day We're in

01:44:56.539 --> 01:44:58.659
downtown Minneapolis where hundreds of people

01:44:58.659 --> 01:45:03.640
have come out to protest against block Surveillance

01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.640
that they didn't sign up Why didn't they care

01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:10.340
about that six years ago? Well, this is what

01:45:10.340 --> 01:45:13.039
I I do have to wonder where was everybody? Where

01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:15.810
were you? It's like one of the bluest of the

01:45:15.810 --> 01:45:20.909
blue spots in the entire country. Where was this

01:45:20.909 --> 01:45:23.489
six years ago? Well, and that makes me wonder

01:45:23.489 --> 01:45:25.850
to channel surduce for for a second. You know,

01:45:25.890 --> 01:45:28.750
they are being spun on. The mainstream is spinning

01:45:28.750 --> 01:45:31.270
people up. Flock, flock, flock bad, flock bad.

01:45:31.390 --> 01:45:34.250
They're spinning people up. So what is what up

01:45:34.250 --> 01:45:40.340
actually is this? ...of this protest calls himself

01:45:40.340 --> 01:45:43.020
No Mark. He says he's a masked vigilante who's

01:45:43.020 --> 01:45:45.720
saving the country from Flock. Flock cameras

01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:48.300
use AI to capture the identifying characteristics

01:45:48.300 --> 01:45:50.520
of vehicles that pass by. Law enforcement uses

01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:53.140
its national database to solve crimes like stolen

01:45:53.140 --> 01:45:55.979
cars or missing people. But recently, dozens

01:45:55.979 --> 01:45:57.979
of stories have come out about police officers

01:45:57.979 --> 01:46:00.500
who are accused of abusing the data. Like officers...

01:46:00.500 --> 01:46:02.720
Just to quickly let you know the context here

01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:05.039
of what Tyler sent me. This is from CNN. This

01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:08.119
is from C freaking NN and it's titled are vandals

01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:10.319
winning the war on flock camera? So this is the

01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:13.399
mainstream media Kind of sending you the flock

01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.979
bad messaging charged with stalking who allegedly

01:46:15.979 --> 01:46:19.180
used the system throwing us a bone We've had

01:46:19.180 --> 01:46:24.779
a lot like the argument that it's an op I'm yeah,

01:46:24.779 --> 01:46:26.539
that kind of makes me believe it man when CNN

01:46:26.539 --> 01:46:29.850
throws us a bone starting to wonder Sorry, go

01:46:29.850 --> 01:46:33.010
ahead, Tyler. I'm in this and I've seen some

01:46:33.010 --> 01:46:34.750
weird things where there's like, people are like,

01:46:34.770 --> 01:46:37.829
oh, it's a conspiracy. People are just trying

01:46:37.829 --> 01:46:40.449
to like, why are we so focused on flock when

01:46:40.449 --> 01:46:44.430
there's other companies? But within this movement

01:46:44.430 --> 01:46:51.729
as a whole, people only have the capacity to

01:46:51.729 --> 01:46:56.329
understand so much. And so FLOC becomes synonymous,

01:46:56.510 --> 01:46:58.770
right? If you're just trying to live your day,

01:47:00.609 --> 01:47:03.350
live your life and not have to be involved in

01:47:03.350 --> 01:47:06.210
government or involved in whatever, you're not

01:47:06.210 --> 01:47:10.029
going to know Motorola or all of the in -depth

01:47:10.029 --> 01:47:13.109
details of how all of the surveillance state

01:47:13.109 --> 01:47:17.850
works. But I don't know that there's an op. I've

01:47:17.850 --> 01:47:22.439
worked with a lot of You know media and and it

01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:24.579
seems like they're just genuine people who are

01:47:24.579 --> 01:47:29.760
also concerned about mass surveillance And so

01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:32.500
and also also it buys it gets some clicks, right?

01:47:32.500 --> 01:47:35.460
It gets them, you know, it's a hot topic So yeah,

01:47:35.699 --> 01:47:38.510
it's the topic de jour right now Yeah, yeah,

01:47:38.590 --> 01:47:40.489
it's like the top. Yeah, I mean that's the really

01:47:40.489 --> 01:47:41.989
the only reason there's there's been people that

01:47:41.989 --> 01:47:44.710
have been against these for a long time I think

01:47:44.710 --> 01:47:46.609
I just started my page at the right time where

01:47:46.609 --> 01:47:50.170
there was a vacuum For the type of content that

01:47:50.170 --> 01:47:52.630
I've been creating, you know, there's something

01:47:52.630 --> 01:47:56.390
to say where where you know over There was times

01:47:56.390 --> 01:47:59.250
where I was going up by a thousand followers

01:47:59.250 --> 01:48:04.460
a day And so it's absolutely insane growth of

01:48:04.460 --> 01:48:08.260
a page. Even now I go up by, you know, hundreds.

01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:11.380
I mean, at least, depending on what I post, I

01:48:11.380 --> 01:48:13.220
mean, at least, you know, a thousand followers

01:48:13.220 --> 01:48:19.319
a week would be normal for that page. Tell me

01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:21.100
in those ranks. I actually followed you like

01:48:21.100 --> 01:48:24.279
two months ago before I knew anything else. Oh,

01:48:24.539 --> 01:48:28.140
I listen to early D -Flock. I don't know their

01:48:28.140 --> 01:48:29.819
stuff where they want to play them stuff from

01:48:29.819 --> 01:48:31.380
the current album, but early D -Flock. I knew

01:48:31.380 --> 01:48:33.659
Tyler before he was big, back when he was indie

01:48:33.659 --> 01:48:38.130
and his stuff was out of the garage. Yeah. So

01:48:38.130 --> 01:48:40.090
I think I just I don't think there's like an

01:48:40.090 --> 01:48:42.630
op. I think I think it's just this is this is

01:48:42.630 --> 01:48:45.369
the hot topic. I mean, you had, you know, the

01:48:45.369 --> 01:48:47.250
civil rights movement you've had, you know, you

01:48:47.250 --> 01:48:49.050
have there's a lot of movements that have happened

01:48:49.050 --> 01:48:51.689
in history. And I think this is just the one

01:48:51.689 --> 01:48:54.789
the one of the hour. So you're thinking maybe

01:48:54.789 --> 01:48:57.250
at least in regards to, say, the mainstream media,

01:48:57.869 --> 01:49:01.300
less of an op. At least from them or on their

01:49:01.300 --> 01:49:04.539
behalf and more of a just a target, just like

01:49:04.539 --> 01:49:06.539
other things, a target of opportunity. Hey, this

01:49:06.539 --> 01:49:08.680
is the topic de jour. We know it gets, you know,

01:49:08.779 --> 01:49:11.819
gets clicks and gets views. And some of us maybe

01:49:11.819 --> 01:49:15.220
kind of sympathize or even maybe agree and are

01:49:15.220 --> 01:49:18.720
not quite so pro surveillance. Maybe that's kind

01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:20.300
of what you're thinking. It's more. Yeah, I mean,

01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:22.260
some of our target of opportunity. Some of the

01:49:22.260 --> 01:49:25.239
reporters I've talked to are fervently against

01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:29.000
these. A lot of times they have to present the

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:35.560
media in a certain way. Some I've met have been

01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:42.500
neutral on the topic. But generally, if you're

01:49:42.500 --> 01:49:44.199
against something, you're going to want to use

01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:48.680
your platform. that ties in with the question

01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:51.079
I've got perfectly Tyler do you I guess have

01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:54.539
you ever pushed back on them regarding the COVID

01:49:54.539 --> 01:49:59.039
stuff then because if they're that is my question

01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:00.939
again and again and again people the people who

01:50:00.939 --> 01:50:03.479
are against flock but were totally okay with

01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:05.960
all of the bullshit they pulled on us on COVID

01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:08.539
then I just go okay you know are you a changed

01:50:08.539 --> 01:50:12.739
person or is this just because it's cool to be

01:50:12.739 --> 01:50:14.539
anti -flock right now, but it was definitely

01:50:14.539 --> 01:50:19.039
not cool to be non -compliant in 2020. Where

01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:21.180
the fuck were these people six years ago? Let

01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:23.420
me put it in slightly different words. This is

01:50:23.420 --> 01:50:25.840
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is

01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:30.560
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is

01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:33.100
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is

01:50:33.100 --> 01:50:35.479
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is

01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:35.779
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is

01:50:35.779 --> 01:50:39.189
extremely dangerous. Have you seen, Tyler, the

01:50:39.189 --> 01:50:42.390
super cuts of all of the network affiliates from

01:50:42.390 --> 01:50:46.010
coast to coast, all of the KTVBs? And they're

01:50:46.010 --> 01:50:48.289
all saying the same thing about disinformation

01:50:48.289 --> 01:50:52.029
and there's been a rash of this. And there is

01:50:52.029 --> 01:50:56.170
a there is a top down sort of script that will

01:50:56.170 --> 01:50:58.939
be disseminated. Not necessarily every single

01:50:58.939 --> 01:51:01.800
story and not not every single reporter quote

01:51:01.800 --> 01:51:04.600
-unquote to a person I'm sure that when you meet

01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:08.239
Haley from KTVB at the Twin Falls City Council

01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:10.159
meeting She's just like a normal she's a person

01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:12.180
and maybe she has her own opinion on a flock

01:51:12.180 --> 01:51:14.939
camera Those two things exist independently of

01:51:14.939 --> 01:51:17.739
each other any given reporter might be fine and

01:51:17.739 --> 01:51:20.420
normal in a human But the apparatus is reptilian

01:51:20.420 --> 01:51:24.399
so if they are from the top down and when CNN

01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:27.750
deciding what they curate how they present it

01:51:27.750 --> 01:51:29.930
and just what they present in the first place,

01:51:30.130 --> 01:51:34.909
it is top down. Yeah, I don't know, because just

01:51:34.909 --> 01:51:37.670
this is just from my like from my experience,

01:51:37.829 --> 01:51:40.590
right? I mean, I've had I've had, you know, times

01:51:40.590 --> 01:51:42.770
where I've been like, man, I really sucked at

01:51:42.770 --> 01:51:46.750
this interview. But they end up, you know, making,

01:51:46.750 --> 01:51:49.510
you know, decent content, or they use it in a

01:51:49.510 --> 01:51:54.989
way that still presents, you know, it might be

01:51:54.989 --> 01:51:58.579
not necessarily like, we're against Flock, cut

01:51:58.579 --> 01:52:02.380
them down or go yell at your local council member.

01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:07.760
But they still seem to present everything in

01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:13.119
a way that's like favorable and putting information

01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:19.319
out in front of people to see what's happening.

01:52:19.619 --> 01:52:23.199
And so, I don't know, I have a hard time because

01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:25.970
I've received really good I feel like I've received

01:52:25.970 --> 01:52:28.489
really good, you know, media coverage and they've

01:52:28.489 --> 01:52:32.649
been very willing to work with us. And I've been

01:52:32.649 --> 01:52:35.310
more than willing to work with them. And it doesn't

01:52:35.310 --> 01:52:37.869
really matter which this is such a nonpartisan

01:52:37.869 --> 01:52:41.869
issue that it really doesn't matter, you know,

01:52:41.930 --> 01:52:46.850
which media outlet it is. I think they all they

01:52:46.850 --> 01:52:49.289
all just want their clicks, right? But they're

01:52:49.289 --> 01:52:53.020
there to present the news. But to say that we

01:52:53.020 --> 01:52:56.659
get fair news coverage, I think is is is a statement

01:52:56.659 --> 01:52:59.199
that could be made. I mean, I guess we'll take

01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:03.539
any help we can get. And, you know, you just

01:53:03.539 --> 01:53:05.100
have to forgive guys like Scott and I for being

01:53:05.100 --> 01:53:09.119
so jaded about it. No. And like like obviously,

01:53:09.140 --> 01:53:13.760
you know, they they they can't have their own

01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:15.479
agenda. I mean, maybe maybe they just haven't

01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:19.159
caught up yet. I don't know. So any time the

01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:22.500
mainstream. news apparatus embraces something

01:53:22.500 --> 01:53:27.479
or endorses something or even takes a mildly

01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:31.840
favorable position on something almost immediately.

01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:33.579
Again, for guys like Scott and I, we'd look at

01:53:33.579 --> 01:53:36.600
that and we go. Yeah. Why? Huh? Why? They're

01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:38.479
making it the topic du jour. Why are they doing

01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:41.579
that? Yeah, and I'm we're not trying to put you

01:53:41.579 --> 01:53:43.359
on the defensive But I guess we just naturally

01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:46.260
are gonna push back a little bit on that particular

01:53:46.260 --> 01:53:48.760
point where it's like nah We don't I you cannot

01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:52.460
hate the mainstream media enough and but let's

01:53:52.460 --> 01:53:55.640
finish the CNN you cannot So we just immediately

01:53:55.640 --> 01:54:00.619
go yeah, yeah hundreds of times Look at that.

01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:02.960
Oh, wow. Someone got this one. Someone beat me

01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:05.100
to it. It's duct taped. Every week I would see

01:54:05.100 --> 01:54:07.119
a new article about how these cameras are being

01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:09.640
misused, how they're being used to stalk people.

01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:11.899
It's way too powerful. People are now fighting

01:54:11.899 --> 01:54:14.100
back against blocked cameras. We found that people

01:54:14.100 --> 01:54:16.460
have damaged, destroyed, or stolen these cameras

01:54:16.460 --> 01:54:19.539
in at least 33 states. Earlier this month in

01:54:19.539 --> 01:54:21.960
Winona, Minnesota, police announced that every

01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.000
single camera in town had been stolen. This is

01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.979
one of the eight cameras. that Winona Police

01:54:27.979 --> 01:54:32.560
say were cut down by vandals. F*** a flock camera!

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:37.979
Did you get that? Yep, that's the post. You bitch.

01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:41.979
So somebody just cut this off? Uh -huh. Just

01:54:41.979 --> 01:54:45.960
got up here and... He's demonstrating what it's

01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.319
like to use a right angle grinder. That's good.

01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:50.720
Damage. Winona Police said the cameras would

01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:52.800
not be replaced. They're one of about a hundred

01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:54.680
cities around the country who've said they're

01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:58.010
no longer using flock. We're not great. I cannot

01:54:58.010 --> 01:55:02.390
wait for a patriot. The second patriot to come

01:55:02.390 --> 01:55:07.229
out. Yeah. Gibson was in it again. Oh, the patriot

01:55:07.229 --> 01:55:10.029
movie where, you know, he's leaning up against

01:55:10.029 --> 01:55:12.130
one of these flat cameras, but with a hacksaw

01:55:12.130 --> 01:55:14.649
and he's like, Lord, make me fast and accurate.

01:55:14.829 --> 01:55:20.609
Same small miss small cameras. Just. Let it settle

01:55:20.609 --> 01:55:23.310
down. It'll go away. As soon as the football.

01:55:23.529 --> 01:55:26.010
Oh, will it? Oh, wait. Here's whoa. Whoa. This

01:55:26.010 --> 01:55:27.810
is I think is the this is the key line right

01:55:27.810 --> 01:55:30.149
here. Oh, we just got to hear what our glorious

01:55:30.149 --> 01:55:32.390
supreme Chalupa leader thinks of us right there.

01:55:32.529 --> 01:55:35.229
Here, listen away. As soon as the football season

01:55:35.229 --> 01:55:39.550
starts, if the Vikings start winning, nobody,

01:55:39.930 --> 01:55:43.529
nobody is going to pay a whole lot of attention.

01:55:44.069 --> 01:55:45.630
Who are they interviewing? Who is this? Is he

01:55:45.630 --> 01:55:48.010
the mayor or city councilman? Who's this guy?

01:55:48.479 --> 01:55:50.680
a council member. I think he's just a council.

01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:56.760
Okay. Can you guys feel the contempt and the

01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.939
disdain dripping from that man's mouth? Once

01:55:59.939 --> 01:56:03.960
the flock of stupid sheep have their beer and

01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:06.640
circuses to entertain them, they're not going

01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:09.260
to care about us leaders surveilling them, will

01:56:09.260 --> 01:56:11.399
they? Well, unless the Vikings have a losing

01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:14.729
record. Yeah, if their sports team starts sports

01:56:14.729 --> 01:56:17.250
and hard enough, this will all blow over. Wow.

01:56:17.350 --> 01:56:18.869
Shortening the amount of time they store the

01:56:18.869 --> 01:56:21.050
data and adding flags so they can catch people

01:56:21.050 --> 01:56:23.329
who are searching it inappropriately. I think

01:56:23.329 --> 01:56:25.029
it's OK. I think is it I think that's the part

01:56:25.029 --> 01:56:28.069
you were you were keen on. Yeah. So yeah. And

01:56:28.069 --> 01:56:29.949
then I think I can't remember if it's this video,

01:56:30.069 --> 01:56:34.390
but it goes on and they end up. There's like

01:56:34.390 --> 01:56:36.470
a part where they're in the council meeting and

01:56:36.470 --> 01:56:38.529
this could have been somewhere else, but they're

01:56:38.529 --> 01:56:40.869
talking about the cameras and they're not putting

01:56:40.869 --> 01:56:43.109
them back up. And they're like, well, we don't

01:56:43.109 --> 01:56:46.590
want to reward the, uh, the criminals who cut

01:56:46.590 --> 01:56:48.409
them down, but we're not going to put them back

01:56:48.409 --> 01:56:51.109
up. Um, obviously, cause they didn't, I think

01:56:51.109 --> 01:56:53.090
they didn't even stand for, they weren't even

01:56:53.090 --> 01:56:55.770
up very long. I think they were taken down like

01:56:55.770 --> 01:57:01.289
almost as soon as they were put up. And so, um,

01:57:01.369 --> 01:57:04.130
it's just funny. So like, we're not, I'm not

01:57:04.130 --> 01:57:06.210
here trying to say we need, we're, we're, we're

01:57:06.210 --> 01:57:09.750
going to cut them down. Um, by any means, but

01:57:09.750 --> 01:57:12.350
it's just no, no, we would never condone. It's

01:57:12.350 --> 01:57:14.270
funny where the obviously anti -state behavior,

01:57:14.649 --> 01:57:18.409
the cost, the cost of putting them up was them,

01:57:18.409 --> 01:57:21.090
you know, someone taking them down and then,

01:57:21.130 --> 01:57:24.430
and then them realizing we can't control this

01:57:24.430 --> 01:57:28.350
maybe until football season. I do have it. We

01:57:28.350 --> 01:57:29.930
do have an idea for you, Tyler, that we wanted

01:57:29.930 --> 01:57:31.449
to run by you, that we came up with a couple

01:57:31.449 --> 01:57:34.069
of weeks ago. Especially since you have the reach

01:57:34.069 --> 01:57:36.310
that you have now on Facebook is we were thinking

01:57:36.310 --> 01:57:38.890
that your next ad campaign Actually, instead

01:57:38.890 --> 01:57:42.130
of it being anti -flock should be very very pro

01:57:42.130 --> 01:57:47.739
flock but directed towards a particular population

01:57:47.739 --> 01:57:50.060
and demographic in the downtown Spokane area.

01:57:50.699 --> 01:57:53.460
And importantly, it's more like a PSA for that

01:57:53.460 --> 01:57:55.340
group of people and letting them know that each

01:57:55.340 --> 01:57:57.180
flock camera contains three and a half pounds

01:57:57.180 --> 01:57:59.939
of copper and a couple of grams of gold. And

01:57:59.939 --> 01:58:03.340
then just let nature take its course. Just let

01:58:03.340 --> 01:58:06.939
nature take its course. Just gonna throw that

01:58:06.939 --> 01:58:11.039
out there as your next, you know, campaign, marketing

01:58:11.039 --> 01:58:13.289
campaign. So that one's for free. I won't even

01:58:13.289 --> 01:58:15.909
charge you for that one. Here's the clip from

01:58:15.909 --> 01:58:18.109
it. I do like the fact that what you were saying,

01:58:18.229 --> 01:58:20.270
how the city council was like, well, we don't

01:58:20.270 --> 01:58:22.170
want to reward them by putting them back up.

01:58:22.270 --> 01:58:25.050
Basically, that was them saying, well, you guys

01:58:25.050 --> 01:58:29.130
didn't win. We just we're just retreating for

01:58:29.130 --> 01:58:31.210
the moment. Right. Well, it's funny. I mean,

01:58:31.210 --> 01:58:32.970
put them back up. That same guy is probably just

01:58:32.970 --> 01:58:36.390
going to take them back to when the Lord's there's

01:58:36.390 --> 01:58:40.130
been there was a city I saw in Texas and they're

01:58:40.130 --> 01:58:43.909
like, They're like, okay, Acosta's, you know,

01:58:44.149 --> 01:58:46.189
basically by them removing flock, because, because

01:58:46.189 --> 01:58:48.010
the cameras kept getting taken down so much,

01:58:48.050 --> 01:58:50.609
it was so costly for them to replace them that

01:58:50.609 --> 01:58:53.069
he's like, Oh, I'm going to save the county $40

01:58:53.069 --> 01:58:58.029
,000 by this contract because of all of the vandalism.

01:58:58.770 --> 01:59:02.210
Um, and it's so, it's, and I just want to make

01:59:02.210 --> 01:59:05.409
this abundantly clear. It's so unfortunate that

01:59:05.409 --> 01:59:09.500
these, these council members and, and, and well,

01:59:09.500 --> 01:59:12.840
well, I'll call them the leaders. We were just

01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:17.359
talking about that. But they don't even, they

01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:20.079
don't even glorious leaders. They don't even,

01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:23.979
they don't even listen to, to the people. And

01:59:23.979 --> 01:59:26.420
so the fact that people are saying, this is my

01:59:26.420 --> 01:59:31.979
only recourse is, is terrible. And it's a reflection

01:59:31.979 --> 01:59:36.159
of, of these council members that are not willing

01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:38.380
to serve the people. They're serving their own

01:59:38.380 --> 01:59:43.560
interests. They're serving the idea of give police

01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:46.420
everything they ask for in the name of public

01:59:46.420 --> 01:59:51.899
safety. And it's disgusting. At the end of the

01:59:51.899 --> 01:59:53.100
day, I don't know how to describe it other than

01:59:53.100 --> 01:59:57.850
it's disgusting. that people have to take it

01:59:57.850 --> 02:00:00.229
into their own hands. Those who would give up

02:00:00.229 --> 02:00:02.550
essential liberty to purchase a little temporary

02:00:02.550 --> 02:00:05.750
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. That's

02:00:05.750 --> 02:00:07.529
a Ben Franklin quote. By the way, this guy is

02:00:07.529 --> 02:00:09.449
Jerome Christensen, the guy we're hearing. He's

02:00:09.449 --> 02:00:11.489
a Winona City Council member, Jerome Christensen.

02:00:11.710 --> 02:00:14.750
Brush out and buy new cameras. Just let it settle

02:00:14.750 --> 02:00:17.550
down. It'll go away. As soon as the football

02:00:17.550 --> 02:00:20.930
season starts, if the Vikings start... The sad

02:00:20.930 --> 02:00:23.119
thing is that he's not... Entirely wrong people

02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:27.880
have Yeah, they have people have short attention

02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.220
spans and they have a small bandwidth and that

02:00:30.220 --> 02:00:31.819
goes back to what Tyler was saying earlier when

02:00:31.819 --> 02:00:34.159
he says Flock is sort of the net, you know There's

02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:36.100
there's multiple different brands multiple different

02:00:36.100 --> 02:00:37.699
companies multiple different issues going on

02:00:37.699 --> 02:00:40.439
here But flocks kind of the rallying cry because

02:00:40.439 --> 02:00:42.539
it's sort of a catch -all because people don't

02:00:42.539 --> 02:00:45.600
have the bandwidth for anything else Which then

02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:47.979
kind of segues us perfectly back into where we

02:00:47.979 --> 02:00:50.260
started this conversation, which was like with

02:00:50.260 --> 02:00:53.159
mayor Westlin in Post Falls, where he issues

02:00:53.159 --> 02:00:56.479
a statement. And it's cool. It sounds good. And

02:00:56.479 --> 02:01:00.479
I think I know Randy Westlin. In fact, when I

02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:03.640
ran the racketeer cigar lounge, we backed his

02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:06.779
campaign for city council actively. And we actually

02:01:06.779 --> 02:01:08.500
thought we were going to get crushed. I did.

02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:11.060
Anyways, apparently they knew something I didn't.

02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:13.180
And he won. And so that was really cool. We were

02:01:13.180 --> 02:01:14.899
a part of that. So I actually backed his campaign

02:01:14.899 --> 02:01:17.439
for that and backed his campaign for mayor, you

02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:19.159
know, financially for the city council member,

02:01:19.220 --> 02:01:20.720
not so much for mayor because I was in a different

02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:24.500
position at the time. But I know the guy personally,

02:01:24.500 --> 02:01:27.500
I know the community he's a part of and a decent

02:01:27.500 --> 02:01:31.579
dude, very bright and about as close to a stalwart,

02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:34.359
more conventional conservative as you're ever,

02:01:34.359 --> 02:01:38.279
ever going to get as a mayor. But even this guy.

02:01:38.539 --> 02:01:41.170
Yeah. Can't get rid of the surveillance in Post

02:01:41.170 --> 02:01:44.649
Falls this guy and a fairly conservative City

02:01:44.649 --> 02:01:46.649
Council I might add with Joe Malloy on there

02:01:46.649 --> 02:01:48.550
who I also know and who is a good friend and

02:01:48.550 --> 02:01:51.050
a cigar smoker like you're talking about a City

02:01:51.050 --> 02:01:53.149
Council and a mayor who are close to as conservative

02:01:53.149 --> 02:01:56.449
as you ever ever get in a town that size Maybe

02:01:56.449 --> 02:01:59.069
the most They will never get rid of the surveillance

02:01:59.069 --> 02:02:00.630
because they can't for one reason or another

02:02:00.630 --> 02:02:02.550
there's always gonna be an excuse or a contract

02:02:02.550 --> 02:02:05.239
They can't break or whatever or the police got

02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:07.100
to have whatever the police got to have. And

02:02:07.100 --> 02:02:08.600
that's the problem with conservatives is if the

02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:10.960
police say jump, the conservatives go, yes, sir.

02:02:10.979 --> 02:02:13.159
And then when you jump, please land on my neck

02:02:13.159 --> 02:02:17.340
when you come back down. And then this same conservative

02:02:17.340 --> 02:02:19.220
city council and mayor are saying, yeah, now

02:02:19.220 --> 02:02:21.180
we also have to tax everybody to the tune of

02:02:21.180 --> 02:02:24.239
9 % to make up for all this other stuff that's

02:02:24.239 --> 02:02:27.239
not our faults. I don't care how conservative

02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:29.399
you say you are. If you're in the apparatus,

02:02:29.539 --> 02:02:31.899
there's only so much you can do to slow down

02:02:31.899 --> 02:02:36.149
or stop the apparatus. It's a losing thing which

02:02:36.149 --> 02:02:39.689
then takes me to my next the next segue and where

02:02:39.689 --> 02:02:41.609
I think I want to I think we ought to end this

02:02:41.609 --> 02:02:45.810
podcast on on this is A and this is for for you

02:02:45.810 --> 02:02:49.710
Tyler in particular. So we got you here a What

02:02:49.710 --> 02:02:53.270
do we do? From here, like where do we go? What

02:02:53.270 --> 02:02:55.489
do we do? What have you you know? What do you

02:02:55.489 --> 02:02:57.770
find that is working maybe versus what's not

02:02:57.770 --> 02:02:59.569
working? What tactics work? What don't you know?

02:02:59.590 --> 02:03:04.849
What do we do? And then is there hope? Yeah,

02:03:04.849 --> 02:03:07.930
so the thing is a lot of people are against these

02:03:07.930 --> 02:03:11.210
and and and we have I think an overwhelming community

02:03:11.210 --> 02:03:19.989
support I Initially was very You know faithful

02:03:19.989 --> 02:03:22.750
like had to stop that. Okay, maybe some councils

02:03:22.750 --> 02:03:26.529
will take some pressure and do things correctly

02:03:28.049 --> 02:03:31.850
And we haven't seen that, right? I have not seen

02:03:31.850 --> 02:03:35.670
one council other than, well, Jerome canceled

02:03:35.670 --> 02:03:38.210
theirs. They had the police were asking for money

02:03:38.210 --> 02:03:43.250
for Flock and they didn't do it. Salmon put in

02:03:43.250 --> 02:03:49.949
a resolution to not to stop him, but basically

02:03:49.949 --> 02:03:54.050
to require council approval to do it. essentially

02:03:54.050 --> 02:03:57.670
blocking the back doorways these have been going

02:03:57.670 --> 02:04:01.010
in, whether it be with grants or just coming

02:04:01.010 --> 02:04:05.770
below procurement requirements. And then Clearwater

02:04:05.770 --> 02:04:08.810
County did cancel theirs when the new sheriff

02:04:08.810 --> 02:04:13.689
took over. So we have seen these small wins in

02:04:13.689 --> 02:04:19.399
smaller areas. but we haven't seen any big striking

02:04:19.399 --> 02:04:22.020
winds with like, you know, I was hopeful that

02:04:22.020 --> 02:04:27.779
maybe twin falls. But I think keeping pressure

02:04:27.779 --> 02:04:32.239
on the city councils has been good. It's creating

02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:37.220
a conversation. The next thing, big thing, and

02:04:37.220 --> 02:04:39.960
you know, I've talked with like Idaho Freedom

02:04:39.960 --> 02:04:45.510
Foundation. There's a lot of. pressure within

02:04:45.510 --> 02:04:50.090
the legislature to do something this session.

02:04:50.590 --> 02:04:52.630
That was going to be my next question. Is there

02:04:52.630 --> 02:04:56.149
any hope of or momentum behind a statewide effort?

02:04:56.970 --> 02:05:02.810
My really big worry with them is that they aren't

02:05:02.810 --> 02:05:08.869
going to do a complete ban. My worry is we already

02:05:08.869 --> 02:05:15.600
have garbage for what our law is that 49 1432.

02:05:17.779 --> 02:05:20.899
What they're going to do, I don't know. But like

02:05:20.899 --> 02:05:23.840
I've said, there's really no safe way to regulate

02:05:23.840 --> 02:05:29.119
this. And so what I'm hopeful for is that maybe

02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:33.760
we could push, you know, obviously, like, I can't

02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:37.399
push, but, you know, we can be very vocal about

02:05:38.640 --> 02:05:42.020
trying to push a complete ban. When the legislation

02:05:42.020 --> 02:05:45.439
session opens, I'm going to try to get thousands

02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:49.060
of people on the steps to go and protest this,

02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:53.159
to really show that we don't want this. And I've

02:05:53.159 --> 02:05:54.979
never even done it, gone and protested something,

02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:59.279
but this is something that we need to be protesting.

02:05:59.500 --> 02:06:01.720
I mean, there's absolutely no reason that the

02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:03.579
government should be tracking everywhere we go.

02:06:03.979 --> 02:06:06.859
um and creating searchable databases and not

02:06:06.859 --> 02:06:08.699
even just searchable databases but databases

02:06:08.699 --> 02:06:10.319
that predict where you're going to be at certain

02:06:10.319 --> 02:06:13.579
times of the day or or where you went based on

02:06:13.579 --> 02:06:15.640
you know creating heat maps where you might be

02:06:15.640 --> 02:06:18.399
based off of where you've been and and where

02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:21.640
you're going do you think you this could be a

02:06:21.640 --> 02:06:23.859
bipartisan effort in the state legislature and

02:06:23.859 --> 02:06:25.760
i and then it is i mean i've talked i've talked

02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:29.619
to democrats i've talked to i've talked to um

02:06:29.619 --> 02:06:33.560
you know republicans independents most I mean

02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:35.220
it seems like a lot of people are against it

02:06:35.220 --> 02:06:38.020
that the problem is is there so many moderates

02:06:38.020 --> 02:06:40.319
and those are the people that I that I fear is

02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:43.819
this is this moderate these people that are very

02:06:43.819 --> 02:06:47.859
soft on every issue like for example I mean with

02:06:47.859 --> 02:06:50.720
Twin Falls they wouldn't pass a total ban but

02:06:50.720 --> 02:06:54.899
they were willing to to to amend it to where

02:06:54.899 --> 02:06:58.670
if the state does, you know, if the state bans

02:06:58.670 --> 02:07:00.590
it, they'll, they'll be in compliance within

02:07:00.590 --> 02:07:04.329
seven days here. I have a twin false clip. Let

02:07:04.329 --> 02:07:06.649
me play it. Twin falls signed off on a spending

02:07:06.649 --> 02:07:10.229
plan worth more than 96 .5 million dollars. City

02:07:10.229 --> 02:07:11.890
council approved the budget for the next fiscal

02:07:11.890 --> 02:07:15.609
year and a unanimous seven to zero vote. Council

02:07:15.609 --> 02:07:18.029
members also moved ahead with the city's flock

02:07:18.029 --> 02:07:21.010
license plate reader contract. That contract

02:07:21.010 --> 02:07:23.890
was approved in a six to one vote, but with some

02:07:23.890 --> 02:07:27.460
restrictions. First, the AI and machine learning

02:07:27.460 --> 02:07:30.180
piece of the equipment will be turned off. Second,

02:07:30.539 --> 02:07:32.760
the national search feature will also stay on.

02:07:32.779 --> 02:07:34.859
Flip the switch. The national search feature

02:07:34.859 --> 02:07:37.539
will also stay on, unless Twin Falls police say

02:07:37.539 --> 02:07:39.500
they need it for a local crime investigation.

02:07:40.979 --> 02:07:43.680
Unless they need it. Wait, so we'll turn it off

02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:45.720
until we need it, then we'll turn it on. But

02:07:45.720 --> 02:07:47.399
you won't know whether or not we turned it back

02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:50.619
off. While a requirement for quarterly reporting

02:07:50.619 --> 02:07:53.800
was not formally included in the motion, city

02:07:53.800 --> 02:07:56.560
staff told council it'll provide periodic reports

02:07:56.560 --> 02:08:01.239
are being used during open council also clarified

02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:07.079
the cont in the future. This comes Idaho chair

02:08:07.079 --> 02:08:12.220
filed a torc Twin Falls is allowing flo of license

02:08:12.220 --> 02:08:17.399
plates to imp violating Idaho law. And extensively.

02:08:17.739 --> 02:08:27.199
These camera Don't worry. We're gonna use it

02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:31.699
properly Flip the switch citizen now go watch

02:08:31.699 --> 02:08:33.680
your sports ball team Yeah, yeah, we'll flip

02:08:33.680 --> 02:08:36.060
the switch back if the Vikings post up, you know

02:08:36.060 --> 02:08:40.939
a record above 500 So as we walk around Idaho

02:08:40.939 --> 02:08:43.500
if we start seeing flock cameras hacked down

02:08:43.500 --> 02:08:45.079
everywhere We're gonna know that the Seahawks

02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:51.100
are having a losing season So but Twin Falls,

02:08:51.100 --> 02:08:54.220
I mean they had hundreds of Thousands of searches

02:08:54.220 --> 02:08:56.399
because they were sharing federally and and it

02:08:56.399 --> 02:08:58.199
took us doing a records request We did a records

02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:00.779
request said hey, who are you sharing with and

02:09:00.779 --> 02:09:03.739
what are the give me three months of? searches

02:09:03.739 --> 02:09:08.880
from external searches and and Just an absolute

02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:13.739
garbage mess of searches were being done Florida

02:09:13.739 --> 02:09:16.239
Fish and Wildlife Commission was searching for

02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:20.319
on behalf of ice for immigration. Why is the

02:09:20.319 --> 02:09:23.369
why is the Fishing Game Commission in Florida

02:09:23.369 --> 02:09:26.770
searching Twin Falls data for non criminal ice

02:09:26.770 --> 02:09:29.529
complaints. I don't I don't know. It's beyond

02:09:29.529 --> 02:09:33.609
me Like an epidemic of illegal immigrants fishing

02:09:33.609 --> 02:09:39.760
without a license Slow the spread So, I mean,

02:09:39.979 --> 02:09:43.060
the stuff we found in there and then they go

02:09:43.060 --> 02:09:45.920
into these concessions, right? And so, you know,

02:09:45.960 --> 02:09:48.199
there was like, there was tons of hundreds of

02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:50.979
thousands of searches for traffic infractions,

02:09:51.020 --> 02:09:53.260
which isn't even allowed to happen. Like you

02:09:53.260 --> 02:09:56.920
can't even search flock data in Idaho or ALPR

02:09:56.920 --> 02:10:00.600
data in Idaho for traffic incidences. It has

02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:05.510
to be a misdemeanor or felony. But they give

02:10:05.510 --> 02:10:07.850
these things as a concession. It's like they're

02:10:07.850 --> 02:10:11.470
trying to throw us peasants' bread or something.

02:10:11.670 --> 02:10:15.909
They're like, oh, our concession is to remove

02:10:15.909 --> 02:10:19.289
the national share. Well, you were doing it illegally

02:10:19.289 --> 02:10:23.090
to start with. Well, and how do you know they've

02:10:23.090 --> 02:10:24.909
actually done it? That's the other thing. There's

02:10:24.909 --> 02:10:27.609
no accountability. There's no audit. We had to

02:10:27.609 --> 02:10:29.369
do a record. They just tell you they shut it

02:10:29.369 --> 02:10:33.409
off, and you have to go, OK, I believe you. Right

02:10:33.409 --> 02:10:35.409
and you know the proof that we have because there's

02:10:35.409 --> 02:10:39.850
a box that they check on flock and flock Purposely

02:10:39.850 --> 02:10:43.189
ops in so when you when when a city gets flock

02:10:43.189 --> 02:10:46.310
that box is pre checked So unless they know and

02:10:46.310 --> 02:10:51.250
uncheck it Anyone can access their data and especially

02:10:51.250 --> 02:10:53.430
where we do. I mean, it's a weak law, but we

02:10:53.430 --> 02:10:57.640
do have a law You know, in other states, if you

02:10:57.640 --> 02:10:59.359
look at some of the searches that happen in other

02:10:59.359 --> 02:11:03.180
states, it's like expired registration. And it's

02:11:03.180 --> 02:11:06.439
like, so you're using this system because someone

02:11:06.439 --> 02:11:10.460
has expired tags on their vehicle and you're

02:11:10.460 --> 02:11:14.260
searching for them. Oh, their driver's license

02:11:14.260 --> 02:11:16.939
is expired. We're going to see if they drove.

02:11:17.659 --> 02:11:19.979
And these are the searches that are happening

02:11:19.979 --> 02:11:21.899
and it's the real reality of what's happening

02:11:21.899 --> 02:11:28.739
across the state. Scott Herndon did a post where

02:11:28.739 --> 02:11:32.399
he was saying, essentially Idaho already banned

02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:36.020
red light cameras, stoplight cameras. So why

02:11:36.020 --> 02:11:42.020
are we participating in this ALPR system? It's

02:11:42.020 --> 02:11:46.020
the same thing just under a different... And

02:11:46.020 --> 02:11:48.479
for anybody who might not know, Scott Herndon

02:11:48.479 --> 02:11:50.920
represents, well, he will represent if he's voted

02:11:50.920 --> 02:11:54.479
in in November. Right now he's running as a conservative

02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:56.819
Republican candidate out of District 1. That's

02:11:56.819 --> 02:11:58.920
my district here, Legislative District 1 up in

02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:02.619
Idaho for Senate, Idaho State Senate. He's been

02:12:02.619 --> 02:12:05.060
in that seat before and him and Jim Woodward

02:12:05.060 --> 02:12:07.140
have sort of like alternated in that seat a couple

02:12:07.140 --> 02:12:10.000
of times with oil and water between the two.

02:12:10.300 --> 02:12:12.159
They both call themselves conservative, but Jim

02:12:12.159 --> 02:12:14.819
Woodward's no conservative. Scott Herndon tends

02:12:14.819 --> 02:12:17.039
to be on the ball when it comes to things like

02:12:17.039 --> 02:12:19.560
like the this flock camera stuff and property

02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:21.840
taxes and things of that nature of course he

02:12:21.840 --> 02:12:23.899
gets a lot of flack for it because the establishment

02:12:23.899 --> 02:12:26.220
does not like that fellow which is why I like

02:12:26.220 --> 02:12:29.000
him well that's who Scott Herndon is the reason

02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:31.899
for all of it is the same reason that when you

02:12:31.899 --> 02:12:35.449
meet an individual KTVB talking head at a city

02:12:35.449 --> 02:12:37.989
council meeting, she might be perfectly pleasant

02:12:37.989 --> 02:12:40.930
or maybe even in line with you philosophically,

02:12:41.329 --> 02:12:43.630
but the apparatus is reptilian and relentless.

02:12:43.909 --> 02:12:45.949
The exact same thing applies with individual

02:12:45.949 --> 02:12:48.470
city council members or Mayor Randy Westland

02:12:48.470 --> 02:12:51.489
or Scott Herndon. The apparatus itself is reptilian

02:12:51.489 --> 02:12:57.170
and relentless. It's hard. I think the saying

02:12:57.170 --> 02:13:00.260
literally is you can't fight city hall. Or it's

02:13:00.260 --> 02:13:04.000
really hard to fight City Hall. And poor Tyler

02:13:04.000 --> 02:13:07.600
is learning it the hard way. But that doesn't

02:13:07.600 --> 02:13:09.819
mean that we stop fighting. Not at all. And as

02:13:09.819 --> 02:13:11.399
a matter of fact, maybe this would be a good

02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:14.199
time to play from your hometown, from Wilder.

02:13:14.409 --> 02:13:17.390
This is again KTVB. As we wait for President

02:13:17.390 --> 02:13:20.109
Donald Trump to release his stance on automated

02:13:20.109 --> 02:13:23.090
license plate reader cameras, one Idaho man hopes

02:13:23.090 --> 02:13:26.069
his petition will lead to the technology being

02:13:26.069 --> 02:13:28.609
banned in his community. Welcome to the news

02:13:28.609 --> 02:13:30.430
at 10. I'm Morgan Romero, Aspen Schumper joining

02:13:30.430 --> 02:13:32.970
us now in studio Aspen. It sounds like Wilder

02:13:32.970 --> 02:13:36.149
could become the first Idaho city to ban these

02:13:36.149 --> 02:13:38.170
cameras. Yeah, that's right. This man says no

02:13:38.170 --> 02:13:40.329
amount of safeguards will solve what he sees

02:13:40.329 --> 02:13:42.829
as the real problem. Calling it mass surveillance

02:13:42.829 --> 02:13:46.359
that needs to be All right, right there. We're

02:13:46.359 --> 02:13:48.119
going to break this down for a sec. Did you see

02:13:48.119 --> 02:13:51.079
how they prefaced it? What he sees as problems

02:13:51.079 --> 02:13:55.960
and calls it, quote, mass surveillance, end quote.

02:13:57.060 --> 02:14:00.340
But let's see what this crazy has to say. Which,

02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:03.100
of course, it's not an opinion. You can say it's

02:14:03.100 --> 02:14:06.979
good, but what it's described as, it is surveillance.

02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:09.520
I just love that that's the preference is what

02:14:09.520 --> 02:14:12.079
he sees as mass surveillance. No motherfucker.

02:14:12.220 --> 02:14:15.079
It's objectively mass surveillance. It is literally

02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:19.479
objectively factually mass surveillance. He just

02:14:19.479 --> 02:14:21.659
that's what he calls it. You're just driving

02:14:21.659 --> 02:14:23.220
to the store. You're just driving. So this is

02:14:23.220 --> 02:14:24.779
where this is pretty meta. We're going to hear

02:14:24.779 --> 02:14:29.560
Tyler on top of Tyler. On the corner is tin foil

02:14:29.560 --> 02:14:32.619
hat wearer Tyler Kane talking about what he sees

02:14:32.619 --> 02:14:36.340
as mass surveillance. More at 11. It's inception.

02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:39.000
You're just driving to the store. You're just

02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:43.520
driving to church. They track anyone that drives

02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:45.100
past them indiscriminately. Did you hear that

02:14:45.100 --> 02:14:47.300
now? You know what they call that, Tyler, when

02:14:47.300 --> 02:14:49.600
they do, you know, like they're emphasizing?

02:14:49.739 --> 02:14:53.640
Driving to church. So you're driving to church

02:14:53.640 --> 02:14:55.479
and then they turn way up the sound of a car

02:14:55.479 --> 02:14:57.800
going by. That's called a nat pop. They track

02:14:57.800 --> 02:15:00.180
anyone that drives past them indiscriminately.

02:15:00.539 --> 02:15:02.699
Automated license plate readers have become common

02:15:02.699 --> 02:15:05.439
in police departments across the country. The

02:15:05.439 --> 02:15:10.199
cameras photograph ev logging the location, time

02:15:10.199 --> 02:15:14.760
into searchable databases. L tell us it's a tool

02:15:14.760 --> 02:15:19.260
that on your misdemeanor crimes find missing

02:15:19.260 --> 02:15:23.579
people. But t drawn fierce opposition f members,

02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:28.899
including wilder Cain to say that that now w

02:15:28.899 --> 02:15:32.279
just because the technolo mean we should. Fourth

02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:37.479
ame Unreasonable searches and seizures over the

02:15:37.479 --> 02:15:40.199
last three years 16 idaho agencies that we've

02:15:40.199 --> 02:15:42.760
been You had you had a i'm sure you had a good

02:15:42.760 --> 02:15:45.779
follow -up to that Yeah, how like that's what

02:15:45.779 --> 02:15:48.500
like a like a 60 second 80 second answer and

02:15:48.500 --> 02:15:52.039
they include like how heavily i've had I've had

02:15:52.039 --> 02:15:55.579
hour -long Interviews and i'm like man that went

02:15:55.579 --> 02:15:57.680
that went really well and then they use five

02:15:57.680 --> 02:16:03.880
seconds. I'm like, why did I waste my time? And

02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:07.060
we're over here going, mainstream media, dude.

02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:10.140
Yeah, mainstream media. This is extremely dangerous

02:16:10.140 --> 02:16:16.220
to our democracy. over the last three years agencies

02:16:16.220 --> 02:16:20.140
that we've been started using the technolo are

02:16:20.140 --> 02:16:24.239
stalking. I think it violation and I think it

02:16:24.239 --> 02:16:29.659
privacy and even further trust with the police

02:16:29.659 --> 02:16:34.680
depa reported came the co found first started

02:16:34.680 --> 02:16:38.780
voicing his year. After discovering th bought

02:16:38.780 --> 02:16:42.700
and installed flock without counsel's approva

02:16:42.700 --> 02:16:48.079
A move. Idaho's attorney office says didn't requi

02:16:48.079 --> 02:16:50.799
public comment. And that's road. I think there

02:16:50.799 --> 02:16:54.459
needs when we're putting these a petition and

02:16:54.459 --> 02:16:59.659
gathered enou thinking more like public and feathering

02:16:59.659 --> 02:17:11.389
her city c to adopt language banning No, first

02:17:11.389 --> 02:17:13.209
off, I don't want the voters to decide that shit

02:17:13.209 --> 02:17:15.129
either just because nine and out of ten people

02:17:15.129 --> 02:17:17.409
decide they want to be surveilled doesn't mean

02:17:17.409 --> 02:17:22.229
I want to be surveilled. Fuck them. No. No. King

02:17:22.229 --> 02:17:26.149
Paul, glorious burrito supreme leader Paul Manducci.

02:17:26.409 --> 02:17:29.430
Paul Michael Banducci says, no, thank you. Who

02:17:29.430 --> 02:17:31.809
wants to just be left alone? Super King light

02:17:31.809 --> 02:17:34.329
of me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, screw you guys.

02:17:34.469 --> 02:17:38.780
I'm going home. Or let voters decide. The petition

02:17:38.780 --> 02:17:41.760
doesn't stop at just banning ALPRs, but it bans

02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:44.719
facial recognition and predictive policing systems

02:17:44.719 --> 02:17:47.250
too. It would allow security cameras for city

02:17:47.250 --> 02:17:49.569
property, but requires city council approval

02:17:49.569 --> 02:17:52.549
for any new surveillance technology and mandates

02:17:52.549 --> 02:17:55.530
data be stored locally with access logs, not

02:17:55.530 --> 02:17:58.069
on a third party cloud. This comes just a week

02:17:58.069 --> 02:18:00.809
after flock safety. The company behind Wilder's

02:18:00.809 --> 02:18:03.290
cameras announced it's creating new safeguards

02:18:03.290 --> 02:18:05.930
aimed at addressing privacy concerns. Starting

02:18:05.930 --> 02:18:08.270
January 1st, data will only be held for a week

02:18:08.270 --> 02:18:10.690
instead of a month unless it's tied to an open

02:18:10.690 --> 02:18:13.170
investigation and kept longer. There will also

02:18:13.170 --> 02:18:17.129
be a new system. you have to do is deem anything

02:18:17.129 --> 02:18:19.090
and everything an open investigation. It's an

02:18:19.090 --> 02:18:21.629
open investigation for it indefinitely. Well,

02:18:21.629 --> 02:18:23.350
they've always been able to just download. They

02:18:23.350 --> 02:18:25.829
can just download the data. So flock. Yeah, flock

02:18:25.829 --> 02:18:29.590
like only retains the data for so long, but they

02:18:29.590 --> 02:18:32.610
can just click a button. I think mass like download

02:18:32.610 --> 02:18:37.629
everything. And it even says that like like right.

02:18:37.790 --> 02:18:40.450
And so they only really own like when we talk

02:18:40.450 --> 02:18:42.350
about them owning the data is like really they

02:18:42.350 --> 02:18:46.180
only own the data and the fact that One, they

02:18:46.180 --> 02:18:49.340
can download it and two, they can access it.

02:18:49.579 --> 02:18:51.680
But if you read a Flock contract, it even goes

02:18:51.680 --> 02:18:55.040
like any work product made by their system is

02:18:55.040 --> 02:18:58.559
expressively retained and owned by Flock. It's

02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:03.579
ridiculous. And then they even purposely frame

02:19:03.579 --> 02:19:06.459
everything as customer data. Yeah, I love that.

02:19:06.719 --> 02:19:08.780
The customer owns customer data. We were talking

02:19:08.780 --> 02:19:11.290
about that. Just the other day, weren't we, Scott,

02:19:11.450 --> 02:19:13.790
about how I think it was just last podcast I

02:19:13.790 --> 02:19:17.409
told the story. Your payment. Yes. I got nicked

02:19:17.409 --> 02:19:20.530
for a late payment on an Idaho income tax. We're

02:19:20.530 --> 02:19:23.629
shutting off your water. A little too late. Oh,

02:19:23.629 --> 02:19:25.290
they didn't threaten to shut off my water. No,

02:19:25.309 --> 02:19:27.190
no. They threatened to seize my home, garnish

02:19:27.190 --> 02:19:31.850
my wages, and take my cars for $130 in late payment.

02:19:31.870 --> 02:19:33.450
You would have had it easy, Tyler, with just

02:19:33.450 --> 02:19:36.649
no running water. Seriously. Yeah. Get bent,

02:19:36.670 --> 02:19:39.149
Tyler. You think you've got problems? I've got

02:19:39.149 --> 02:19:40.989
problems. Yeah. But at the end, that was the

02:19:40.989 --> 02:19:45.850
best at the end of it. When I paid online, they

02:19:45.850 --> 02:19:49.430
sent the next page that popped up. Boop was a

02:19:49.430 --> 02:19:52.250
tell us how we did survey. I could rate them

02:19:52.250 --> 02:19:54.590
one. I could rate the Idaho State Tax Commission

02:19:54.590 --> 02:19:57.889
one to five stars on their service. I think it

02:19:57.889 --> 02:20:03.729
was a how do you rate our services? I gave him

02:20:03.729 --> 02:20:06.629
a three would not recommend except for once a

02:20:06.629 --> 02:20:09.659
year. Yeah. It's really an ungrateful customer.

02:20:09.899 --> 02:20:13.500
Yet another one. It felt like theft, but three

02:20:13.500 --> 02:20:15.799
stars. This is the last of this KTVB clip on

02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:17.819
Wilder. There will also be a new system that

02:20:17.819 --> 02:20:20.420
will lock out users who searches display abnormal

02:20:20.420 --> 02:20:23.559
activity to cut back on abuse by normal activity.

02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:26.600
Like searching for your ex -wife's SUV. Who gets

02:20:26.600 --> 02:20:29.020
to decide what that is? Yeah. Oh, you know who

02:20:29.020 --> 02:20:31.600
gets to decide. I think there's no acceptable

02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:34.280
level of safeguard. It should require a warrant

02:20:34.280 --> 02:20:36.559
and it should be an individualized warrant, not

02:20:36.559 --> 02:20:40.940
a mass surveillance system. The city's police

02:20:40.940 --> 02:20:42.860
department says it has no further comment at

02:20:42.860 --> 02:20:45.620
this time. The City Council has 30 days to vote

02:20:45.620 --> 02:20:48.420
on it by September 5th. Morgan, if Council chooses

02:20:48.420 --> 02:20:50.799
to reject the petition and not adopt the language

02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:53.959
or not vote on it in time, then per Idaho code,

02:20:54.040 --> 02:20:56.959
the question will be placed on the November 2027

02:20:56.959 --> 02:21:00.000
ballot left up to voters to decide. Yeah, but

02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:01.959
you better vote correctly or otherwise we'll

02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:03.819
put it back on the next ballot until you do.

02:21:04.020 --> 02:21:05.819
This issue in Wilder has been hashtag vote harder.

02:21:06.100 --> 02:21:07.579
Obviously, this is garnering a lot of national

02:21:07.579 --> 02:21:09.079
attention right now. But I know Aspen, you've

02:21:09.079 --> 02:21:10.879
been covering the issue in Wilder for a while.

02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:13.360
Yeah, those concerns and Wilder really started

02:21:13.360 --> 02:21:16.399
this year as residents were noticing these cameras

02:21:16.399 --> 02:21:19.760
going live. All right, Aspen. Thank you. Yeah.

02:21:21.360 --> 02:21:26.190
So I from from So, okay, so the last council

02:21:26.190 --> 02:21:27.750
meeting, there was a council member that brought

02:21:27.750 --> 02:21:31.889
forth an ordinance that would require any sort

02:21:31.889 --> 02:21:34.549
of surveillance technology and it was even forward

02:21:34.549 --> 02:21:38.229
thinking kind of like my ordinances to where

02:21:38.229 --> 02:21:41.770
it would ban, you know, sort of biometric tracking,

02:21:41.770 --> 02:21:45.850
you know, stuff like that. It wouldn't ban them,

02:21:45.850 --> 02:21:50.030
but it would require that the council uh be the

02:21:50.030 --> 02:21:53.309
one to approve it so where like we had the police

02:21:53.309 --> 02:21:55.709
chief and the mayor doing it and one of the council

02:21:55.709 --> 02:21:58.569
members was saying well we shouldn't be putting

02:21:58.569 --> 02:22:01.649
up department heads in that we don't trust and

02:22:01.649 --> 02:22:04.430
that essentially these should be department head

02:22:04.430 --> 02:22:07.569
decisions on that mass surveillance and yeah

02:22:07.569 --> 02:22:11.469
it was crazy unelected bureaucrats council members

02:22:11.819 --> 02:22:14.440
They don't want to be the ones to have to make

02:22:14.440 --> 02:22:18.020
the decision because they mostly agree with these

02:22:18.020 --> 02:22:20.040
surveillance systems, but they don't want to

02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:23.139
lose their seats by being on the record as voting

02:22:23.139 --> 02:22:25.299
for it. That's why they do this. This is a delegation

02:22:25.299 --> 02:22:28.059
of responsibility. Right. And so I don't know

02:22:28.059 --> 02:22:30.280
what the council is going to vote. I mean, I

02:22:30.280 --> 02:22:33.979
suspect there's at least one council member that

02:22:33.979 --> 02:22:38.239
might vote no or might vote for it. The rest

02:22:38.239 --> 02:22:40.219
I have I have zero clue how they're going to

02:22:40.219 --> 02:22:44.709
vote. But I mean, hopefully, I mean, if they

02:22:44.709 --> 02:22:46.889
vote, if they vote yes, and these are gone, then

02:22:46.889 --> 02:22:48.989
great. I mean, if they vote no, it goes on the

02:22:48.989 --> 02:22:51.610
ballot and hopefully the voters vote correctly.

02:22:52.649 --> 02:22:59.049
It'll be November of 27. And I mean, it'll be,

02:22:59.409 --> 02:23:01.049
maybe there'll be a better voter turnout because

02:23:01.049 --> 02:23:03.629
there'll be a mayor race. And I think a couple

02:23:03.629 --> 02:23:10.459
council seats will be open. So, I mean, it'd

02:23:10.459 --> 02:23:12.819
be interesting to see this is one of the we were

02:23:12.819 --> 02:23:16.360
talking about how to be involved. And I don't

02:23:16.360 --> 02:23:19.379
think we can just sit here and wait for to, you

02:23:19.379 --> 02:23:22.059
know, hope that the legislature does something

02:23:22.059 --> 02:23:26.200
to hope that the, you know, city councils are

02:23:26.200 --> 02:23:28.739
going to do something. Thankfully, in Idaho,

02:23:28.739 --> 02:23:32.899
we do have the power to petition. This is going

02:23:32.899 --> 02:23:35.469
back. I've never done any of this stuff before.

02:23:35.610 --> 02:23:38.510
I've literally had to learn how to build an ordinance.

02:23:38.709 --> 02:23:42.629
I was watching, and it's so funny, I was watching

02:23:42.629 --> 02:23:46.909
one of the council members when that other ordinance

02:23:46.909 --> 02:23:49.670
was presented that would require at least them

02:23:49.670 --> 02:23:54.750
to vote on it in the future. She was looking

02:23:54.750 --> 02:23:56.889
that over with the city attorney before the meeting

02:23:56.889 --> 02:23:59.920
and she was, there's. I don't know if you've

02:23:59.920 --> 02:24:02.760
ever seen an ordinance and particularly in Idaho,

02:24:03.159 --> 02:24:05.739
you can use like whereas statements. So you'll

02:24:05.739 --> 02:24:08.420
be like, whereas I find mass surveillance disgusting,

02:24:08.780 --> 02:24:11.059
whereas I find this unconstitutional. You could

02:24:11.059 --> 02:24:13.319
write really whatever. But she was like, why

02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:17.739
does it have all these words? And I'm like looking

02:24:17.739 --> 02:24:20.780
at her and I'm like, I'm like, how do you not

02:24:20.780 --> 02:24:22.379
like, how are you a council member and you don't

02:24:22.379 --> 02:24:25.379
understand like the basic like function of how

02:24:25.379 --> 02:24:34.559
an ordinance is built. But why male models? It's

02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:37.020
the people that we allow to be in these positions,

02:24:37.700 --> 02:24:40.819
they're not educated in what they're doing. Like

02:24:40.819 --> 02:24:43.219
we're talking about, they think department heads

02:24:43.219 --> 02:24:45.479
should be making decisions for the community.

02:24:46.020 --> 02:24:48.620
When we elected them to be the one to make decisions,

02:24:48.680 --> 02:24:50.860
we never elected the police chief. The police

02:24:50.860 --> 02:24:56.040
chief was put into that position by the mayor.

02:24:57.879 --> 02:25:00.680
um so it'll be interesting uh it's on the on

02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:02.899
the first september uh september first is when

02:25:02.899 --> 02:25:07.100
they'll vote um and i mean it'll be really telling

02:25:07.100 --> 02:25:10.500
you know so that's uh that's just a week away

02:25:10.500 --> 02:25:13.159
or less yeah yeah it's exactly a week away hey

02:25:13.159 --> 02:25:15.340
how fitting so one week from now we'll have a

02:25:15.340 --> 02:25:19.340
well uh we'll see how that goes huh yeah it's

02:25:19.340 --> 02:25:21.239
exciting um it you know there's a lot of work

02:25:21.239 --> 02:25:25.360
i had to get i i mean 60 so the initial signatures

02:25:25.360 --> 02:25:29.549
you need 20 um, 20 signatures. I, I had somewhere

02:25:29.549 --> 02:25:33.190
around 30, uh, when I submitted my first set

02:25:33.190 --> 02:25:36.610
of signatures. Um, but, and then it goes through

02:25:36.610 --> 02:25:38.170
the process. There's a bunch of things that have

02:25:38.170 --> 02:25:42.090
to go on. And then at the end, um, you need 20

02:25:42.090 --> 02:25:46.110
% of the registered voters, uh, or not registered.

02:25:46.489 --> 02:25:49.209
It's 20 % of who voted in the last city election.

02:25:49.549 --> 02:25:57.780
Um, I need 13, 13 signatures. And so, and we've

02:25:57.780 --> 02:25:59.180
we've I've seen because there's there's been

02:25:59.180 --> 02:26:04.020
interest in repeating this in other cities. So,

02:26:04.059 --> 02:26:09.440
like CUNA might be doing one same with Twin Falls.

02:26:09.819 --> 02:26:12.479
So, there's interest across the state to basically

02:26:12.479 --> 02:26:15.879
repeat that. I think Gooding County. So, it's

02:26:15.879 --> 02:26:17.360
a good way to get involved and it's a good time

02:26:17.360 --> 02:26:22.120
to do ones at municipal levels just with the

02:26:22.120 --> 02:26:26.069
way. The timing because it has to go on that

02:26:26.069 --> 02:26:30.709
odd numbered here After this election right now

02:26:30.709 --> 02:26:32.690
this election cycle. It might be good to target

02:26:32.690 --> 02:26:35.729
a county Because then you would be targeting

02:26:35.729 --> 02:26:42.690
the 28 election and so This is a good way that

02:26:42.690 --> 02:26:45.010
that at least at least at the end of the day

02:26:45.010 --> 02:26:48.520
the people are getting a say in What's going

02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:50.899
on because the elected officials aren't giving

02:26:50.899 --> 02:26:53.620
us a say and I'm like I was saying I don't know

02:26:53.620 --> 02:26:55.719
if I said it but I was thinking about saying

02:26:55.719 --> 02:26:58.059
it but at least in Idaho we do have this power

02:26:58.059 --> 02:27:03.040
because there's tons of other States in places

02:27:03.040 --> 02:27:06.049
that don't have the power to do this, to petition,

02:27:06.969 --> 02:27:10.709
to put something on the ballot. It's kind of

02:27:10.709 --> 02:27:13.370
a hard process. Like if you saw like that, there

02:27:13.370 --> 02:27:16.770
was that weed one that failed statewide, but

02:27:16.770 --> 02:27:19.729
they weren't doing, there's like, and it's how

02:27:19.729 --> 02:27:21.889
ridiculous bureaucracy is, is like you have to

02:27:21.889 --> 02:27:25.590
put in 20 point thought, like certain words in

02:27:25.590 --> 02:27:28.159
a certain part on a page. And if you don't do

02:27:28.159 --> 02:27:32.540
that, it's invalid. If you go up to the podium

02:27:32.540 --> 02:27:34.319
and don't tell them your full name, they drag

02:27:34.319 --> 02:27:37.100
you out of the meeting. Or if you put John Hancock

02:27:37.100 --> 02:27:39.840
as your name, they won't let you speak. They'll

02:27:39.840 --> 02:27:42.200
get you on procedural grounds if they can. Yeah.

02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:45.399
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. And so, yeah, it's

02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:48.520
to protect themselves. But I spent a lot of time

02:27:48.520 --> 02:27:52.520
educating myself on how voters initiatives work

02:27:52.520 --> 02:27:55.340
to be able to execute it seamlessly. And it was

02:27:55.340 --> 02:27:58.030
actually funny where to where I was having to

02:27:58.030 --> 02:28:00.229
like, like there was like a month long where

02:28:00.229 --> 02:28:03.370
I was fighting the city to get a proper, like

02:28:03.370 --> 02:28:07.729
I had to make a qualified form to be able to

02:28:07.729 --> 02:28:10.409
submit to them to get it started. And then the

02:28:10.409 --> 02:28:13.510
city kept giving me forms that didn't even comply

02:28:13.510 --> 02:28:16.719
with Idaho law. And I kept having to tell. You

02:28:16.719 --> 02:28:19.620
know the the city clerk and it took like a month

02:28:19.620 --> 02:28:22.959
to get a proper approved form and I'm like I'm

02:28:22.959 --> 02:28:25.639
like dude and at some point it got so Ridiculous

02:28:25.639 --> 02:28:28.520
that I did it for them. I did it like I was like

02:28:28.569 --> 02:28:31.110
I already have the formatting. I'll just, when

02:28:31.110 --> 02:28:33.729
I get time, I'll do it and I did it and I sent

02:28:33.729 --> 02:28:36.590
it to them. And instead of sending me just all

02:28:36.590 --> 02:28:38.590
they had to do was take that same form and send

02:28:38.590 --> 02:28:42.489
it back. Instead, instead they changed it and

02:28:42.489 --> 02:28:44.290
they changed it to where it still didn't meet

02:28:44.290 --> 02:28:46.729
the requirements of Idaho code. And so I had

02:28:46.729 --> 02:28:49.250
to go back, I had to go back and be like, and

02:28:49.250 --> 02:28:52.229
be like, fix this. And then, and finally they

02:28:52.229 --> 02:28:53.969
did, but it was like a month, month and a half

02:28:53.969 --> 02:28:56.909
long process of going back and forth. Give me

02:28:56.909 --> 02:28:59.690
an approved form. that meets the legal requirements

02:28:59.690 --> 02:29:01.790
of what you're supposed to give. Like I had to

02:29:01.790 --> 02:29:03.770
threaten to go to court. I'm like, I'm like,

02:29:03.989 --> 02:29:07.010
it's ironic because it's basically you, you've

02:29:07.010 --> 02:29:08.930
experienced what we all, anybody who's like run

02:29:08.930 --> 02:29:10.770
a business or had to do anything with the government

02:29:10.770 --> 02:29:13.290
of any sort of nature like this, we've all experienced

02:29:13.290 --> 02:29:15.809
the version of it. It's malicious compliance,

02:29:16.430 --> 02:29:19.889
but it's, it's even more ironic coming from the

02:29:19.889 --> 02:29:23.129
state itself, maliciously complying and kind

02:29:23.129 --> 02:29:26.110
of in a, in a very much non -compliant way with

02:29:26.110 --> 02:29:30.350
their own code. their own bullshit and laws that

02:29:30.350 --> 02:29:34.250
they force us to use and then they wield it against

02:29:34.250 --> 02:29:37.670
us like times two and they do different ways

02:29:37.670 --> 02:29:41.430
and they do so in a sort of a bumbling and and

02:29:41.430 --> 02:29:43.129
they don't know what the hell they're doing they

02:29:43.129 --> 02:29:44.870
don't know they don't know whether to flip or

02:29:44.870 --> 02:29:47.030
fall in it it takes two and a half weeks but

02:29:47.030 --> 02:29:49.809
meanwhile when you owe them 15 cents for a parking

02:29:49.809 --> 02:29:52.209
ticket they are Johnny on the spot man you better

02:29:52.209 --> 02:29:54.389
believe that that notice is gonna show up in

02:29:54.389 --> 02:29:57.879
your mailbox right on time Oh dude, we always

02:29:57.879 --> 02:29:59.700
used to say the moment you think nobody cares

02:29:59.700 --> 02:30:07.340
about you just miss a tax payment They do care

02:30:07.340 --> 02:30:10.280
Let me think we're bumping up against it and

02:30:10.280 --> 02:30:12.299
I have other stuff, but I think you know in the

02:30:12.299 --> 02:30:14.440
interest of time I think we can call it and just

02:30:14.440 --> 02:30:16.680
make this a really a truly just a flock show

02:30:16.680 --> 02:30:18.719
is great I wanted to play this quickly because

02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:20.739
I think I'm sure you've not heard anything along

02:30:20.739 --> 02:30:23.260
these lines Tyler I got a note from Debbie from

02:30:23.260 --> 02:30:26.780
rathrum this week who said Who is governor pervert

02:30:26.780 --> 02:30:30.500
that you keep referring to? And so I want I wanted

02:30:30.500 --> 02:30:31.940
to address that because I think it actually kind

02:30:31.940 --> 02:30:33.739
of fits with the overall theme here, which is

02:30:33.739 --> 02:30:36.440
like this. All of this is sort of a perversion

02:30:36.440 --> 02:30:41.229
of a. a representative republic, a land where,

02:30:41.270 --> 02:30:44.450
decency, a land where liberty is supposedly one

02:30:44.450 --> 02:30:46.610
of the highest, if not the highest value, says

02:30:46.610 --> 02:30:48.989
it on our freaking coins, as referenced earlier.

02:30:49.389 --> 02:30:51.790
This is all a perversion. It's all an inversion

02:30:51.790 --> 02:30:55.510
of what should be in a free land. And that's

02:30:55.510 --> 02:30:57.790
Governor Brad Little. And the reason it's fine

02:30:57.790 --> 02:31:00.129
to go back and revisit it, because it's from

02:31:00.129 --> 02:31:03.629
way back in episode 11, Cuts Before People, and

02:31:03.629 --> 02:31:06.760
that was from the state of this state. that governor

02:31:06.760 --> 02:31:09.840
little gave when he was reelected in in january

02:31:09.840 --> 02:31:12.620
there and this is the sound drop that it comes

02:31:12.620 --> 02:31:15.879
from to pervert to pervert to pervert i pulled

02:31:15.879 --> 02:31:18.459
the full sentence and so tyler you'll you'll

02:31:18.459 --> 02:31:20.379
like this too and this is this is one of those

02:31:20.379 --> 02:31:22.979
instances where the truth wants to come out you'll

02:31:22.979 --> 02:31:25.200
hear it all the time from well from everybody

02:31:25.200 --> 02:31:26.940
but you know politicians and bureaucrats you'll

02:31:26.940 --> 02:31:28.920
hear it from mainstream media talking heads the

02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:31.180
truth wants to come out this is the actual sentence

02:31:31.180 --> 02:31:34.000
unedited as uttered by governor little into a

02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:37.709
microphone Idaho is evolving. However, through

02:31:37.709 --> 02:31:41.629
the change, we must commit ourselves to pervert

02:31:41.629 --> 02:31:45.950
to preserving our state as the place where opportunity

02:31:45.950 --> 02:31:50.049
thrives. He was trying to say to preserve Idaho,

02:31:50.110 --> 02:31:54.409
but it came out as pervert. To pervert. That's

02:31:54.409 --> 02:31:57.709
the reference. And this is all this stuff. At

02:31:57.709 --> 02:31:59.889
some point, even the reptiles know that this

02:31:59.889 --> 02:32:02.200
stuff is wrong. that this is an inversion and

02:32:02.200 --> 02:32:05.659
they they they head up a reptilian apparatus,

02:32:05.659 --> 02:32:07.979
even though to an individual like a mayor, Randy

02:32:07.979 --> 02:32:12.059
Westland, they've they are varied in their demeanor.

02:32:14.219 --> 02:32:18.760
Yeah, truly, to round back to where Tyler started

02:32:18.760 --> 02:32:21.079
today, he said the word, I think he said the

02:32:21.079 --> 02:32:24.719
word pre crime. Yeah. And immediately I thought

02:32:24.719 --> 02:32:27.549
of the story minority report. immediately and

02:32:27.549 --> 02:32:30.190
was just like you know 1984 gets a lot of attention

02:32:30.190 --> 02:32:32.590
and of course nobody really listens for Fahrenheit

02:32:32.590 --> 02:32:35.170
451 gets a lot of attention a brave new world

02:32:35.170 --> 02:32:37.049
gets a lot of attention and those are all works

02:32:37.049 --> 02:32:40.149
that should get a lot of attention but the one

02:32:40.149 --> 02:32:42.510
that tends to fly under the radar that actually

02:32:42.510 --> 02:32:45.790
might be the one we find ourselves in minority

02:32:45.790 --> 02:32:50.680
report Pre -crime pre -crime 24 7 mass surveillance,

02:32:50.700 --> 02:32:53.100
which real quick I'm gonna I gotta throw this

02:32:53.100 --> 02:32:55.079
in because I did do a little bit of the legwork

02:32:55.079 --> 02:32:57.840
I was gonna do a Scott shots today if we could

02:32:57.840 --> 02:33:00.139
fit it in I know we couldn't really but I'm gonna

02:33:00.139 --> 02:33:02.719
shoehorn it in anyways. It's a quick one. Okay,

02:33:02.799 --> 02:33:05.899
I looked up what percentage Wait a minute. I

02:33:05.899 --> 02:33:07.920
don't get my intro. Wait a minute. Wait, wait,

02:33:07.920 --> 02:33:09.440
wait, I don't get my intro. I got a stretch.

02:33:09.479 --> 02:33:12.069
All right Alright, hold on. Come on, dude. I'm

02:33:12.069 --> 02:33:14.010
gonna pull a hammy, man. You're right. No, you're

02:33:14.010 --> 02:33:15.149
right. I don't want you to hurt yourself. I'm

02:33:15.149 --> 02:33:17.549
gonna bust my Achilles, dude. I gotta get up

02:33:17.549 --> 02:33:20.030
and get on my exercise ball. Hey! Oh, man! Let's

02:33:20.030 --> 02:33:22.329
go! See some jumping jacks. Right in the feels.

02:33:22.770 --> 02:33:25.229
I gotta stretch, pull my arm across my chest.

02:33:25.530 --> 02:33:30.069
Pull my other arm across my chest. Woo! Let's

02:33:30.069 --> 02:33:32.270
go! What are you, Sandy Koufax? Let's go! Oh

02:33:32.270 --> 02:33:35.190
yeah, I'm pitching out of the windup. Big leg

02:33:35.190 --> 02:33:38.180
kick! Yeah! Alright! We're dropping all the sports

02:33:38.180 --> 02:33:43.079
ball references now. Send it. Okay. It's not

02:33:43.079 --> 02:33:44.959
that impressive because I couldn't get all the

02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:46.819
answers I wanted, but it's fine enough and it

02:33:46.819 --> 02:33:47.920
fits right in with what we're talking about.

02:33:48.020 --> 02:33:51.000
I Googled about 18 different ways. Like how much

02:33:51.000 --> 02:33:53.340
surveillance do we experience in America? What

02:33:53.340 --> 02:33:56.639
percentage of our day is surveilled in America?

02:33:57.440 --> 02:33:59.659
How many people, like what percentage of the

02:33:59.659 --> 02:34:01.840
population is under constant surveillance in

02:34:01.840 --> 02:34:03.379
America and so on and so forth. You guys get

02:34:03.379 --> 02:34:06.219
the idea. I Googled about eight, nine, 10 different

02:34:06.219 --> 02:34:10.389
prompts. And the answer came back, worded differently

02:34:10.389 --> 02:34:13.670
every time, but it was the same. And the answer

02:34:13.670 --> 02:34:19.989
was 24 -7, always. Always. There is no time in

02:34:19.989 --> 02:34:22.149
our lives right now in which we are not surveilled.

02:34:22.190 --> 02:34:26.389
So then I was like, okay, what does that look

02:34:26.389 --> 02:34:30.040
like? And who said, well, it's a combination

02:34:30.040 --> 02:34:32.299
of government surveillance in the form of warrantless

02:34:32.299 --> 02:34:35.079
searches via your phone, your computer, your

02:34:35.079 --> 02:34:37.739
iPad, your yada, yada, yada, data brokers that

02:34:37.739 --> 02:34:40.600
are oftentimes government. But they're also a

02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:42.239
private sector and third party. And they all

02:34:42.239 --> 02:34:44.200
work together and pass data back and forth and

02:34:44.200 --> 02:34:46.760
sell data back and forth. It's biometric and

02:34:46.760 --> 02:34:48.540
street tracking, which can be anything from what

02:34:48.540 --> 02:34:52.469
we're talking about, ALPRs. and facial recognition

02:34:52.469 --> 02:34:55.850
to everything in between. Our own cars now are

02:34:55.850 --> 02:34:57.670
starting to surveil us. That's been going on

02:34:57.670 --> 02:35:00.549
the last few years, and that is by law. Now,

02:35:00.569 --> 02:35:02.850
cars are being manufactured with things that

02:35:02.850 --> 02:35:05.010
surveil where you go, when you were there, and

02:35:05.010 --> 02:35:07.729
soon, also now codified into law. Thanks, big

02:35:07.729 --> 02:35:11.209
beautiful Bill. They will have potentially facial

02:35:11.209 --> 02:35:13.950
recognition type devices that will not allow

02:35:13.950 --> 02:35:16.530
you to turn your car on if your car thinks you've

02:35:16.530 --> 02:35:18.389
been drinking, you're on drugs, or too stressed

02:35:18.389 --> 02:35:21.270
out to drive. or you're on your way to you're

02:35:21.270 --> 02:35:23.270
you're organizing a rabble of rebels to head

02:35:23.270 --> 02:35:24.850
to a city council meeting where you're going

02:35:24.850 --> 02:35:28.549
to gasp attempt to make public comment yeah well

02:35:28.549 --> 02:35:30.809
you're pretty worked up when you go so your car

02:35:30.809 --> 02:35:32.569
is thinking well hey you're too worked up to

02:35:32.569 --> 02:35:34.430
drive you might hurt somebody so you got to stay

02:35:34.430 --> 02:35:37.309
home don't forget you also you left out a key

02:35:37.309 --> 02:35:40.370
one yeah don't forget about uh state representatives

02:35:40.370 --> 02:35:42.209
observing us in public restrooms from behind

02:35:42.209 --> 02:35:44.290
two -way mirrors I've seen people in every way

02:35:44.290 --> 02:35:46.209
shape or form all over the world going to the

02:35:46.209 --> 02:35:49.350
bathroom If your name is John Hancock, they're

02:35:49.350 --> 02:35:54.149
not gonna let you drive that was just Behavior

02:35:54.149 --> 02:35:57.309
profiling app and device tracking. Of course,

02:35:57.329 --> 02:35:59.090
we have our phones on us all the time You've

02:35:59.090 --> 02:36:01.610
got the ring stuff on your doors. You've got

02:36:01.610 --> 02:36:05.290
it doesn't mean basically it is 24 7. It's private

02:36:05.290 --> 02:36:08.350
Sector, it's public sector and it's an unholy

02:36:08.350 --> 02:36:11.180
alliance between the two. So That was pretty

02:36:11.180 --> 02:36:13.399
wild then I was like, okay. Well what percentage

02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:16.520
it said 100 % digital tracking public cameras

02:36:16.520 --> 02:36:20.040
workplace monitoring home smart devices Anyways,

02:36:20.040 --> 02:36:23.479
um, is there a question? There you go. Yeah.

02:36:23.479 --> 02:36:27.000
No that I asked I answered the question. Okay

02:36:28.319 --> 02:36:30.700
Paul got it right. We're surveilled around the

02:36:30.700 --> 02:36:32.760
clock. Good times. Well, that's what I told you.

02:36:32.760 --> 02:36:35.600
It was a crappy Scott shot. I was looking for

02:36:35.600 --> 02:36:37.739
a setup, but I couldn't get the setup because

02:36:37.739 --> 02:36:40.459
every prompt gave me the same answer. And it

02:36:40.459 --> 02:36:42.579
was the obvious self -evident answer. It was

02:36:42.579 --> 02:36:44.700
like, hey, government, are you tracking us 100

02:36:44.700 --> 02:36:47.760
% of the time? No. Yep. Oh, wait. Yep. In this

02:36:47.760 --> 02:36:54.719
case, yep. OK. Minority report. We live in it

02:36:54.719 --> 02:36:56.920
already. Take that, Tom Cruise. Eat your heart

02:36:56.920 --> 02:37:01.069
out. All right, let's call it a show. This is

02:37:01.069 --> 02:37:03.729
episode number 43 of No ID in the Can. Okay,

02:37:04.030 --> 02:37:07.450
we'll do a little, us glorious leaders up here

02:37:07.450 --> 02:37:10.049
on the dais will make the call for what to call

02:37:10.049 --> 02:37:12.250
the title, the show title. I have transparency.

02:37:12.250 --> 02:37:14.090
You should let Tyler pick. I'm going, okay, good.

02:37:14.250 --> 02:37:15.750
Well, all right, fine. We'll let the citizen

02:37:15.750 --> 02:37:19.530
have a comment. Geez. Transparency Portal, tyranny

02:37:19.530 --> 02:37:22.389
is a software patch away or real time crime?

02:37:24.129 --> 02:37:26.680
I like, I don't know. I use that tyranny. Saying

02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:29.739
a lot. So I like that one. Okay, it is as long

02:37:29.739 --> 02:37:32.200
as normal I second the motion. You know what?

02:37:32.600 --> 02:37:34.840
The citizen did it. That's one of my favorite

02:37:34.840 --> 02:37:37.540
I love to say that saying like it's one of my

02:37:37.540 --> 02:37:40.139
favorites because I was it's so true Honestly,

02:37:40.680 --> 02:37:43.180
when I started this, I was like, man, ALPR cameras

02:37:43.180 --> 02:37:47.040
are terrible. And I was almost under the impression

02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:50.260
like maybe we could legislate this, but at some

02:37:50.260 --> 02:37:52.139
point I realized you can't. You know what I mean?

02:37:52.180 --> 02:37:54.120
Then you learned about the legislative process

02:37:54.120 --> 02:37:56.059
and was like, oh, it's broken. It's all broken.

02:37:56.079 --> 02:37:59.979
Yeah, there's no way. We can't safely put guardrails

02:37:59.979 --> 02:38:04.979
on mass surveillance. Ever since then, I use

02:38:04.979 --> 02:38:08.979
that saying way too often. OK, so you know what?

02:38:08.979 --> 02:38:11.100
The show is longer than normal, so so too will

02:38:11.100 --> 02:38:13.780
the title be. It makes sense to me. We only have

02:38:13.780 --> 02:38:16.959
to have guardrails up until Viking season starts

02:38:16.959 --> 02:38:24.860
anyway, so don't even worry about it. Thank you

02:38:24.860 --> 02:38:26.180
guys so much for having me. Every city council

02:38:26.180 --> 02:38:27.479
member is like, oh my God, I hope our sports

02:38:27.479 --> 02:38:28.819
ball team wins this season. We'll have to come

02:38:28.819 --> 02:38:31.180
back. Yes, please. It was a pleasure having you.

02:38:31.180 --> 02:38:33.889
Thanks, Tyler, for coming on. Yes, we want that.

02:38:34.229 --> 02:38:37.590
Yes, for sure. Where can people find which deflock

02:38:37.590 --> 02:38:39.489
Idaho, it's just deflock Idaho across everything,

02:38:39.649 --> 02:38:44.090
right? All the platforms. Yeah, we mostly use

02:38:44.090 --> 02:38:47.329
Instagram and Facebook. I have a YouTube channel

02:38:47.329 --> 02:38:49.709
that I don't really use in a tick tock. But yeah,

02:38:49.809 --> 02:38:52.989
deflock Idaho anywhere even even the emails deflock

02:38:52.989 --> 02:38:56.100
Idaho Gmail if someone wants to doesn't use social

02:38:56.100 --> 02:38:58.200
media or something. So if they want to send an

02:38:58.200 --> 02:39:00.600
email with follow up questions or anything, they

02:39:00.600 --> 02:39:03.879
can, they can email us there. Brilliant. Yeah.

02:39:04.040 --> 02:39:05.399
Well, yeah, we greatly appreciate you joining

02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:07.899
us and I've been imagining. And for doing the

02:39:07.899 --> 02:39:10.430
Lord's work. Yes. And most people I'm sure within

02:39:10.430 --> 02:39:13.170
the sound of this show will is probably they're

02:39:13.170 --> 02:39:15.170
already following or they clicked the button

02:39:15.170 --> 02:39:17.389
while they were listening to this episode. So

02:39:17.389 --> 02:39:20.309
yeah, please support Tyler and those who think

02:39:20.309 --> 02:39:23.989
like him and us. And stop perverting Idaho and

02:39:23.989 --> 02:39:28.850
start preserving it. Please God. Remember us

02:39:28.850 --> 02:39:31.790
at noidshow .com. This is a value for value proposition.

02:39:32.329 --> 02:39:34.229
Please support us. It takes work to execute this

02:39:34.229 --> 02:39:36.309
program. And if you find it valuable, return

02:39:36.309 --> 02:39:39.889
value to our program. time town or treasure until

02:39:39.889 --> 02:39:43.149
episode 44 from heavily surveilled post falls

02:39:43.149 --> 02:39:46.030
where property taxes are going up. I'm Scott.

02:39:47.110 --> 02:39:50.389
And from less surveilled Clark Fork, I'm Paul.

02:39:50.670 --> 02:39:56.809
Taxation is theft. I guess that North Idaho show

02:39:56.809 --> 02:39:58.250
is is is doing okay.