WEBVTT 00:00:15.630 --> 00:00:18.390 Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast 00:00:18.390 --> 00:00:21.390 that covers everything you love and more. I'm 00:00:21.390 --> 00:00:25.730 Sierra Obermark. And I am Sam Williams. And today 00:00:25.730 --> 00:00:31.530 we have a very special guest from our friend 00:00:31.530 --> 00:00:35.289 podcast. Yeah, I would say we're friends. From 00:00:35.289 --> 00:00:40.369 Revelio, it's Nicole. Welcome. Hello there. Hello, 00:00:40.450 --> 00:00:43.750 hello, hello. So I'll tell you a very funny story 00:00:43.750 --> 00:00:47.079 right before we do this. I opened up this document 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.159 instead of the Hogwarts Legacy document on the 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.340 day of recording. And so when we were going through 00:00:52.340 --> 00:00:54.840 records, I was like, you guys want me to talk 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:57.579 about my favorite Star Wars movie? And Amy was 00:00:57.579 --> 00:01:02.420 like, I think you want to talk about that. That's 00:01:02.420 --> 00:01:04.540 funny. And I was like, oh, I have the wrong document 00:01:04.540 --> 00:01:07.560 open. Hold on a minute. So now that we have the 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:09.959 right document open, and this is for you, Nicole, 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:12.060 to answer. We've got two questions. We've got 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:13.799 three bullet points, but two questions. Perfect. 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.260 What is your favorite Star Wars movie and what 00:01:18.260 --> 00:01:21.840 is your favorite Star Wars character? So very 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.140 appropriately, my favorite Star Wars movie is 00:01:24.140 --> 00:01:28.180 Revenge of the Sith. So what a perfect episode 00:01:28.180 --> 00:01:32.359 to be on. But like, I know this wasn't a bullet 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.739 point, but I have to mention that my favorite 00:01:34.739 --> 00:01:38.700 Star Wars thing of all time is the Clone Wars 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:42.750 TV series. Oh, excellent. But obviously very 00:01:42.750 --> 00:01:45.129 adjacent to Revenge of the Sith, right? So I 00:01:45.129 --> 00:01:47.989 have to mention it. And also had to mention that 00:01:47.989 --> 00:01:50.609 because it directly plays into my favorite character. 00:01:51.709 --> 00:01:54.030 So there's obviously so many great characters 00:01:54.030 --> 00:01:57.030 in Star Wars. I'll narrow it down to two. The 00:01:57.030 --> 00:02:01.430 first is our boy Anakin Skywalker. Amazing. Especially 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:03.489 Clone Wars Anakin. Really made me fall in love 00:02:03.489 --> 00:02:10.009 with Anakin. And also Maul. Yep. And the irony. 00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:12.870 I love you so much. The irony, though, of Maul 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:15.689 being my favorite character is I used to think 00:02:15.689 --> 00:02:19.810 that he was the most overrated, overhyped character, 00:02:19.870 --> 00:02:22.770 you know, based on just his appearance in Phantom 00:02:22.770 --> 00:02:25.389 Menace, right? Yes. But then as soon as we got 00:02:25.389 --> 00:02:28.449 our animated series, like quickly became one 00:02:28.449 --> 00:02:30.509 of my favorites. And so obviously, I'm just so 00:02:30.509 --> 00:02:34.009 excited for Maul's Shadow Lord next month. So 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:35.689 this is a little bit a little bit of a teaser 00:02:35.689 --> 00:02:38.990 for our next episode, which Sierra and I recorded 00:02:38.990 --> 00:02:42.610 yesterday. But it's the episode after this one. 00:02:44.009 --> 00:02:47.270 Ahsoka and Maul's chemistry in season seven when 00:02:47.270 --> 00:02:50.669 they're like. kind of lover fighters is ridiculously 00:02:50.669 --> 00:02:53.289 great oh my god i've never thought of them as 00:02:53.289 --> 00:02:55.490 lover fighters before and i love that i don't 00:02:55.490 --> 00:02:58.909 think i'll ever be able to unsee that no no you 00:02:58.909 --> 00:03:01.650 will never it's they're incredible uh maul is 00:03:01.650 --> 00:03:04.129 a great character i love him i sierra hasn't 00:03:04.129 --> 00:03:05.770 seen rebels yet she's waiting to do that until 00:03:05.770 --> 00:03:09.009 we cover it for the podcast i love him and it 00:03:09.009 --> 00:03:13.270 rebels him with ezra is incredibly cool sam oh 00:03:13.270 --> 00:03:18.810 my god Witwer, Witwer, something. Sorry, Sam, 00:03:18.949 --> 00:03:21.650 if you're listening. That's my first time getting 00:03:21.650 --> 00:03:24.810 it remotely close. I'm always like, Witwiller, 00:03:24.969 --> 00:03:30.210 Witwickensile, Witwernischkabuff. Anyways, Sam 00:03:30.210 --> 00:03:35.090 Witwer. Sam Witwer's voice acting is just so 00:03:35.090 --> 00:03:37.030 ridiculous. And I loved him as Starkiller in 00:03:37.030 --> 00:03:38.689 the Forced Unleashed video games way back when. 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.659 But his maul is just incredible. Oh, I get goosebumps. 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.300 I just, I just love it. So now to, oh, yeah. 00:03:46.460 --> 00:03:50.259 I will quote all the time, just like, to my students, 00:03:50.300 --> 00:03:52.199 if they're not the right student, I was thinking, 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.860 I'll be like, I was expecting Kenobi. What are 00:03:55.860 --> 00:04:00.120 you doing here? Kenobi! Oh my goodness, it's 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.080 so great. So great. It is indeed. Well, that's 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.039 great. Okay, so how did you get into Star Wars? 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:09.069 What is your origin story? Ooh. That that I was 00:04:09.069 --> 00:04:10.909 not prepared for that question. I find it very 00:04:10.909 --> 00:04:12.689 easy to talk about my origin story for Harry 00:04:12.689 --> 00:04:15.770 Potter, but Star Wars, man, I definitely think 00:04:15.770 --> 00:04:19.050 I got into it like a little bit later, like in 00:04:19.050 --> 00:04:22.769 the game. I feel like what really got me on board 00:04:22.769 --> 00:04:26.769 was actually the sequel trilogy coming out. And 00:04:26.769 --> 00:04:30.300 I remember I was living, I was doing a graduate 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:33.759 program in the UK at the time. And I feel like 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.839 I remember going to see it there. I went to my 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.279 first Star Wars celebration in Europe as well, 00:04:39.300 --> 00:04:42.019 like when I was living there. And so I think 00:04:42.019 --> 00:04:46.139 like, I feel like it was probably that. And then 00:04:46.139 --> 00:04:48.620 I think I went back and like rewatched everything. 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.360 And I was a prequels like Stan from the beginning. 00:04:52.060 --> 00:04:55.819 But I feel like that's how I started was it coming 00:04:55.819 --> 00:04:59.709 back. So there was a base level fandom of like, 00:04:59.750 --> 00:05:01.430 hey, I watched these as a kid, but the actual 00:05:01.430 --> 00:05:03.449 thing that started your, like, initial... I don't 00:05:03.449 --> 00:05:05.470 even know if I watched them as a kid, actually. 00:05:05.610 --> 00:05:08.509 So what? I think, like, as a kid, I was very 00:05:08.509 --> 00:05:11.029 much like the Harry Potter Twilight. Yeah. Hunger 00:05:11.029 --> 00:05:15.290 Games girl. But obviously I knew Star Wars. Yeah. 00:05:15.689 --> 00:05:18.069 Kind of hard not to. Yeah. And I think like, 00:05:18.089 --> 00:05:20.709 I also didn't really have a lot of friends that 00:05:20.709 --> 00:05:22.509 were into Star Wars. And the irony of that is 00:05:22.509 --> 00:05:24.850 I still really don't. So I'm really, really jazzed 00:05:24.850 --> 00:05:26.410 about being here to talk about Star Wars with 00:05:26.410 --> 00:05:29.029 you guys. Amazing. And so I think maybe that 00:05:29.029 --> 00:05:31.569 was like part of it. And then, but yeah, I think 00:05:31.569 --> 00:05:33.310 it was really, yeah, the sequel trilogy that 00:05:33.310 --> 00:05:35.110 kind of made me be like, hey, I want to watch 00:05:35.110 --> 00:05:37.149 this. And so I went back and watched everything. 00:05:37.610 --> 00:05:40.639 I think. Which is so weird, because I can't remember 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.860 a time when Star Wars wasn't part of my life, 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.459 but it wasn't always part of my life in that 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:50.319 way. I feel that the same way about a very different 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.620 franchise, which is Top Gear, which I only started 00:05:52.620 --> 00:05:55.240 watching in 2020, and now it's like... a part 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.720 of my personality. And I'm like, what was life 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.199 like before I ever watched these three curmudgeonly 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.579 old blodgers from England talk about cars? Yeah. 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.420 I mean, I imagine it's similar to like when you 00:06:04.420 --> 00:06:05.939 have a child and you're like, wow, I don't remember 00:06:05.939 --> 00:06:07.720 what life was like before that child, even though 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.879 I've only had that child for three years. Like 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.019 what was life like before that? That's how I 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:13.300 feel about Star Wars. I was expecting nothing 00:06:13.300 --> 00:06:19.310 here. What are you doing here? Okay, cool. Well, 00:06:19.329 --> 00:06:21.750 that's amazing. So you saw BB -8 in a trailer 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:24.129 run across the screen and you were like, that's 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:25.589 it. I'm a Star Wars fan. Oh, of course. And now 00:06:25.589 --> 00:06:27.750 I have BB -8 right here on my wall right behind 00:06:27.750 --> 00:06:30.649 me. Quite literally. For the listeners, because 00:06:30.649 --> 00:06:32.810 we have no viewers, because we're an auditory 00:06:32.810 --> 00:06:37.050 only, Nicole has like Rey and R2 prominently 00:06:37.050 --> 00:06:38.370 displaced. I have my Star Wars gallery wall here. 00:06:38.430 --> 00:06:40.209 I figured this would be a great place for me 00:06:40.209 --> 00:06:43.189 to sit under tonight. I agree. Yeah. I agree. 00:06:43.290 --> 00:06:45.829 These are all from actually fan conventions. 00:06:45.850 --> 00:06:47.750 Like when I used to, when I lived in the UK and 00:06:47.750 --> 00:06:50.089 I used to go to like London Comic Con and all 00:06:50.089 --> 00:06:52.370 of those, I picked these up along the, along 00:06:52.370 --> 00:06:55.250 the way. That's awesome. I do feel like not San 00:06:55.250 --> 00:06:57.569 Diego Comic Con is sometimes the place to go 00:06:57.569 --> 00:06:59.829 for when you're looking for art and stuff like 00:06:59.829 --> 00:07:02.829 that. Cause San Diego Comic Con is overrun sometimes. 00:07:02.970 --> 00:07:06.689 And it's like. I get there are comics and there's 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:08.949 a whole Boba Fett line right there and I can't 00:07:08.949 --> 00:07:11.129 afford that armor. Where's the art? And you're 00:07:11.129 --> 00:07:13.290 just like, they can't afford to be here. Yeah, 00:07:14.910 --> 00:07:18.689 there's also some places that do, I'm trying 00:07:18.689 --> 00:07:22.110 to remember what it's called, but there's a museum, 00:07:22.110 --> 00:07:25.790 I think, near me. Maybe it's like one of the 00:07:25.790 --> 00:07:27.629 history museums or something, but they'll put 00:07:27.629 --> 00:07:32.629 on like themed events and sometimes they do like. 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:37.740 Basically, a mini mini fan convention. And so 00:07:37.740 --> 00:07:40.639 then you can go and some people have mugs and 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.480 they have art and they have just really neat, 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.279 like local people who just do fun things. And 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.740 I'm actually thinking about it right now. If 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:52.500 this ties in with me having just gone to Epic, 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:57.819 but I have a little painting of Hagrid with Toothless 00:07:57.819 --> 00:08:01.459 on his shoulder. That's a cool crossover. Yes. 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:04.620 I like that a lot. And if you listeners want 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:07.660 to know more about Sierra's trip to Epic Universal 00:08:07.660 --> 00:08:11.100 Park, it's on our Patreon, which please, for 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:15.699 the love of God, throw some money our way. Please. 00:08:15.980 --> 00:08:18.379 Pretty please. We'll be so nice and continue 00:08:18.379 --> 00:08:23.279 making content. Yes, indeed. Today's episode, 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.740 we will be scorchingly salivating over Star Wars 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:32.720 Episode 3. Revenge of the Sith. And without further 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.879 ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive on in. 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.899 So get up to 88, because it's time to travel 00:08:38.899 --> 00:08:47.139 back to our story recap. Our Palpatine has been 00:08:47.139 --> 00:08:49.200 captured by Grievous slash Dooku slash himself, 00:08:49.580 --> 00:08:53.019 kind of. Anakin and Obi -Wan are sent to rescue 00:08:53.019 --> 00:08:55.460 him, and while Obi -Wan is constantly telling 00:08:55.460 --> 00:08:58.919 Anakin to let him die, Anakin won't quite let 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.200 that happen, which is certainly a big juxtaposition 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:02.960 from the end of the movie, if I do so say about 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:08.559 myself. While R2 -D2 deals with New York -accented 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.039 battle droids, Obi -Wan gets bested by Dooku, 00:09:11.139 --> 00:09:13.960 but Anakin de -arms Dooku and then kills him 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:17.019 anyway at the behest of Darkside using clearly 00:09:17.019 --> 00:09:20.299 the bad guy Palpatine. Our dynamic band of brothers 00:09:20.299 --> 00:09:23.059 duo team lands a crashing ship and they become 00:09:23.059 --> 00:09:26.620 heroes. Anakin gets to gallivant along with the 00:09:26.620 --> 00:09:29.840 politicians and then bail on bail when Padme 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.440 sneaks over. They fully kiss in public where 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:36.059 anyone can see and Padme announces, also in public, 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.720 that she's pregnant and the movie ends. It's 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:40.740 happily ever after and nothing wrong happens. 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:47.690 Wait. Padme's gonna die! In Anakin's dreams, 00:09:47.789 --> 00:09:51.230 at least. Padme, not that concerned. But Anakin 00:09:51.230 --> 00:09:53.389 feels like this is unnamed mother number one 00:09:53.389 --> 00:09:57.809 all over again. And this time, he won't kill 00:09:57.809 --> 00:10:01.649 the men, women, and young. The war is coming 00:10:01.649 --> 00:10:04.409 to an end. The Jedi can feel it, and that's all 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:06.750 they can feel. Chancellor Palpatine continues 00:10:06.750 --> 00:10:09.730 his favor -doing for Anakin. He gets him on the 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:11.830 Council, though not with the rank of Master. 00:10:12.129 --> 00:10:15.090 He reveals a story about a Sith Lord that might 00:10:15.090 --> 00:10:18.269 be able to save his wife. He offers him a way 00:10:18.269 --> 00:10:21.509 to become greater than an ordinary Jedi. Wait. 00:10:21.990 --> 00:10:24.309 Well, turns out that's a real trick for Anakin. 00:10:24.690 --> 00:10:27.250 At first, he gives up Palpatine to Mace, but 00:10:27.250 --> 00:10:29.529 eventually can't give up the idea of saving Padme, 00:10:29.610 --> 00:10:32.429 so he takes Mace's hands as collateral, and Sheev 00:10:32.429 --> 00:10:34.889 reveals he's got two government names, Sidious. 00:10:35.370 --> 00:10:38.570 and Palpatine. Obi -Wan, meanwhile, is on a lizard 00:10:38.570 --> 00:10:41.309 taking victory laps for killing General Grievous, 00:10:41.470 --> 00:10:45.330 albeit with an uncivilized, uneducated, and unrefined 00:10:45.330 --> 00:10:48.769 blaster. When, suddenly, and without warning, 00:10:48.950 --> 00:10:52.289 there was a total eclipse of the Jedi in the 00:10:52.289 --> 00:10:56.850 universe. That's a little shop horrors reference 00:10:56.850 --> 00:11:01.789 for anybody who doesn't know. Order 66 hits. 00:11:02.049 --> 00:11:09.250 Jedi, die. Cue myself. But Yoda and Obi survive. 00:11:09.830 --> 00:11:12.330 Bail gets them together, and they're able to 00:11:12.330 --> 00:11:15.669 find out what happened. Palpatine isn't a pal 00:11:15.669 --> 00:11:18.990 at all. He's the opposite of pal. He's a phobatine. 00:11:19.450 --> 00:11:23.970 Yoda hatches a plan. He'll kill Sheev. Obi, and 00:11:23.970 --> 00:11:26.830 who thought this was a good idea, will go and 00:11:26.830 --> 00:11:30.269 kill little Annie. Obi manipulates Padme into 00:11:30.269 --> 00:11:32.950 helping Obi find Anakin, putting her in harm's 00:11:32.950 --> 00:11:35.929 way. Anakin uses what seems to be a very practiced 00:11:35.929 --> 00:11:38.730 force choke, hold on his wife, knocking her out, 00:11:38.809 --> 00:11:43.090 and the fight begins. But no one wins. In what 00:11:43.090 --> 00:11:44.990 may be considered the best lightsaber fight in 00:11:44.990 --> 00:11:49.429 all of the films, Obi and Anakin fight, interspersed 00:11:49.429 --> 00:11:51.850 with old men McGee, that's Yoda and Shrieve, 00:11:51.909 --> 00:11:55.309 fighting as well. Yoda straight up loses, flees, 00:11:55.309 --> 00:11:57.929 and yeets himself into the country where no one 00:11:57.929 --> 00:12:02.039 can find him. Ahem, coward. Obi chops Anakin 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.659 into little pieces and then lets lava light him 00:12:04.659 --> 00:12:07.720 on fire, but can't put Anakin out of his misery, 00:12:07.860 --> 00:12:12.159 and he leaves too. Padme lives! And then dies. 00:12:12.419 --> 00:12:15.919 Cue myself again. Dun dun dun. But her twins, 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:19.580 Luke and Leia, survive. Yoda and Obi -Wan split 00:12:19.580 --> 00:12:22.259 them up, with Bail conveniently adopting a baby 00:12:22.259 --> 00:12:25.620 girl the same day Padme gives birth, and Obi 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:28.299 taking Luke to Anakin's home planet, where he'll 00:12:28.299 --> 00:12:32.019 never visit because, well... There's sand. End 00:12:32.019 --> 00:12:37.059 of summary. Time for a reality check. How did 00:12:37.059 --> 00:12:40.600 this movie get off the ground? Well, essentially, 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.379 as the third in the trilogy, this was the result 00:12:44.379 --> 00:12:47.200 of George Lucas's desire to tell the full arc 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.000 of Anakin's rise and fall into becoming Vader. 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.980 Because of the desire to tie the prequels together 00:12:52.980 --> 00:12:55.580 with the original trilogy, there was then created 00:12:55.580 --> 00:13:00.279 this film, which has darker tones. Then the previous 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.340 two, and lots of allusions to historical events 00:13:03.340 --> 00:13:06.820 and Shakespearean tragedies. So what was the 00:13:06.820 --> 00:13:09.240 critics' reaction? Okay, so the Rotten Tomatoes 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.340 scores are as followed. A 79 % critic score, 00:13:12.539 --> 00:13:15.799 which is the highest of the prequel era. And 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.080 a 66 % fan score, which seems lower than how 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.580 this movie is talked about in Star Wars circles. 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.759 So I don't know if that's the result of review 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:29.100 bombing. Or what happened. But I found that fascinating. 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:31.220 That it is. That's super interesting. It's at 00:13:31.220 --> 00:13:34.399 a 66%, which is still fresh, according to Rotten 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:37.399 Tomatoes. But it is. I feel like, especially 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:38.919 maybe this is because I'm just with teenagers 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.159 and they love Revenge of the Sith. But I feel 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.399 like people are like S tier all the way. No question. 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:49.360 No doubt. So the critics reaction. The good reactions. 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.460 We had Sharla O'Sullivan of the London Evening 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:55.480 Standard. She wrote. Instead of producing a childish 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.519 movie for adults, Lucas comes up with an adult 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.500 movie for kids. And this is kind of the theme 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:04.259 around critics, is that they're all like, yeah, 00:14:04.379 --> 00:14:08.019 pretty good, not great. As we'll see with these 00:14:08.019 --> 00:14:11.639 next two comments. Mark Savlov of the Austin 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.559 Chronicle wrote, Veering from moments of breathtakingly 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:19.360 visualized valor to outright stupidity, Sith 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:23.500 is a vast improvement over the previous two outings. 00:14:24.029 --> 00:14:31.049 But still and all, it's no Star Wars. He didn't 00:14:31.049 --> 00:14:35.809 die. Not that I know. Gary Maddox at the Sydney 00:14:35.809 --> 00:14:38.870 Morning Herald wrote, It's a stronger movie than 00:14:38.870 --> 00:14:41.389 the two previous installments. But as Yoda would 00:14:41.389 --> 00:14:45.610 say, an out and out triumph. It is not. So this 00:14:45.610 --> 00:14:49.409 weird oscillation of like, yep, better. Not great. 00:14:49.429 --> 00:14:52.389 Still not great. Yeah. Right. The bad reactions. 00:14:53.599 --> 00:14:56.519 Joe Williams of the St. Louis Post -Dispatch 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:59.580 wrote, although the stiff theatrics are part 00:14:59.580 --> 00:15:03.039 of the design, they're no longer excusable. Wow. 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.580 Okay. Nick Shager from Lessons in Darkness wrote, 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.340 nominally better than its immediate predecessors, 00:15:09.419 --> 00:15:12.159 thanks to pervasive atmosphere of catastrophic 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:17.519 doom. Oh my gosh. Which I think is quite a great 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:22.210 line. I mean. Donald. Donald Clark wrote of the 00:15:22.210 --> 00:15:24.629 Irish times. And this is a, this is a comment 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:27.669 from this past 2025 when it was released for 00:15:27.669 --> 00:15:32.909 his 20th anniversary. He came and said his was 00:15:32.909 --> 00:15:36.830 one liner was revenge of the Sith is still junk. 00:15:37.809 --> 00:15:41.889 Oh, but my favorite line, my favorite line is 00:15:41.889 --> 00:15:44.870 from Adam Kempinar from film spotting. And he 00:15:44.870 --> 00:15:48.149 said, is it a great star Wars movie? It's certainly 00:15:48.149 --> 00:15:55.990 the greatest prequel. What a cop out. The funny 00:15:55.990 --> 00:15:59.330 thing is, though. Yeah. It's not too far off 00:15:59.330 --> 00:16:03.389 from fan reaction. No. As well. Because especially 00:16:03.389 --> 00:16:06.690 at the time, many people were thinking, oh, it's 00:16:06.690 --> 00:16:10.990 this amazing, fantastic spectacle. Best of the 00:16:10.990 --> 00:16:15.230 prequels. Still lackluster. Especially in storytelling 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:18.740 elements. I mean, think. Leia has memories of 00:16:18.740 --> 00:16:22.759 Padme, but Padme dies before meeting her. C -3PO 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.580 just happens to get his memory wiped, but not 00:16:25.580 --> 00:16:29.899 R2. Anakin goes from let's turn Palpatine in 00:16:29.899 --> 00:16:32.379 to let me kill kids for Palpatine really quick. 00:16:32.620 --> 00:16:37.080 It is a pretty quick switch up there. No! Wait 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.200 a second. This kid? He's four, yeah? Lightsaber 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.940 in the head. Got it. Nope. Perfect. Yeah, so... 00:16:45.789 --> 00:16:49.470 that's it's still kind of that wishy -washy it's 00:16:49.470 --> 00:16:51.769 the better of the prequels but it's still not 00:16:51.769 --> 00:16:57.470 amazing by any means after 20 years because it 00:16:57.470 --> 00:17:00.190 has crazily been 20 years since you shut your 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:04.750 face i don't like it any more than you do revenge 00:17:04.750 --> 00:17:07.390 of the sith has definitely become more of a favorite 00:17:07.390 --> 00:17:11.950 and a beloved part of the saga and consistently 00:17:11.950 --> 00:17:16.660 i have found that people see it in a more favorable 00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:20.740 light the more subsequent rewatches that they 00:17:20.740 --> 00:17:23.759 have so it does seem like there's a lot more 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.039 to love about the movie and a lot more to appreciate 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:31.380 on subsequent watchings and really diving in 00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:34.430 and i think that clone wars The TV show helps 00:17:34.430 --> 00:17:36.650 a lot with that because that was a huge turning 00:17:36.650 --> 00:17:39.670 point in people understanding Anakin in this 00:17:39.670 --> 00:17:42.289 movie. And yeah, Clone Wars definitely does a 00:17:42.289 --> 00:17:44.190 lot of the heavy lifting in terms of character 00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:48.369 development there. Some of the moments in the 00:17:48.369 --> 00:17:51.650 movie still come across as comical rather than 00:17:51.650 --> 00:17:57.789 dramatic. No! Some of the plot holes are still 00:17:57.789 --> 00:18:01.579 plot holing. But overall... image has shifted 00:18:01.579 --> 00:18:05.559 for the better over time, which is kind of surprising. 00:18:05.779 --> 00:18:09.759 I feel like in a lot of media, things tend to 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:14.339 have more negative reaction over time, or when 00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:16.640 kind of cast in current light, they don't hold 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.460 up as well, things like that. So I think it is 00:18:19.460 --> 00:18:23.180 more on the unusual side to see something become 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:26.819 more loved without it just being because of nostalgia. 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:30.309 I would say, to me, it's always the law of averages. 00:18:30.450 --> 00:18:33.349 If something comes in super hot, it's going to 00:18:33.349 --> 00:18:35.190 cool down over time. If something comes in and 00:18:35.190 --> 00:18:37.650 it's blasted, people will give it more care. 00:18:37.890 --> 00:18:39.950 You've had a lot of summer. Yeah, exactly. You 00:18:39.950 --> 00:18:42.509 think about like Jar Jar Binks, not nearly as 00:18:42.509 --> 00:18:45.930 hated as he was. Oh, he's loved now. And Ahmed, 00:18:46.829 --> 00:18:49.430 the actor who plays him, well beloved. You know, 00:18:49.430 --> 00:18:52.849 when he was in, he's in what, The Mandalorian 00:18:52.849 --> 00:18:55.430 for two seconds as a Jedi, as like a totally 00:18:55.430 --> 00:18:57.910 different character, the actor. And he comes 00:18:57.910 --> 00:18:59.990 in and it was like celebrated along Star Wars 00:18:59.990 --> 00:19:02.049 all over the place as if Star Wars fans had never 00:19:02.049 --> 00:19:04.869 driven him to almost suicidal thoughts. So I 00:19:04.869 --> 00:19:07.170 think it's just the law of averages where it's 00:19:07.170 --> 00:19:09.210 like some people really hate on the Godfather 00:19:09.210 --> 00:19:11.470 now, even though you go back and rewatch that 00:19:11.470 --> 00:19:14.250 probably still holds up. And the same thing with 00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:16.549 Phantom Menace. People really hated it. Now it's, 00:19:16.549 --> 00:19:20.710 you know, come up in its measurement. So but 00:19:20.710 --> 00:19:23.210 there is a fascinating phenomenon in terms of. 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.819 Of it aging like fine wine. And we will discuss 00:19:25.819 --> 00:19:28.980 that in now. What aged the best? And what aged 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:33.000 the worst? George Lucas' main passion, it feels 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.339 like, is movie technology. And I will say, I 00:19:36.339 --> 00:19:39.539 found that the CGI in this movie still holds 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:43.059 up pretty well. The Mustafar scene is incredible. 00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:45.839 Like that entire third act. Yeah. I think the 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.750 CGI is really good. Still really great. There 00:19:48.750 --> 00:19:51.029 are some moments where, you know, Anakin does 00:19:51.029 --> 00:19:53.210 like a jump off and the slowdown is like, oh, 00:19:53.269 --> 00:19:58.730 that's CGI. But the set design CGI's are still 00:19:58.730 --> 00:20:01.910 remarkable, I feel. I think the space battle 00:20:01.910 --> 00:20:04.509 CGI's really hold up too. Especially like the 00:20:04.509 --> 00:20:07.690 beginning of the movie. Yeah, with the like buddy 00:20:07.690 --> 00:20:12.230 cop movie that they're doing. Leave me, Anakin. 00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:14.170 There's nothing you could do. Obi -Wan, are you? 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.539 Are you trying to die? You're going to die if 00:20:17.539 --> 00:20:20.059 he doesn't do anything. Right. Anakin's like, 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:22.819 what if I shoot your ship? Wait a second. That's 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:24.420 a bad idea. Anakin's just having the time of 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:28.319 his life, you know? Totally. Absolutely. I will 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.779 also say, I think fan analysis has impressed 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:33.099 upon the fandom a lot more information into the 00:20:33.099 --> 00:20:35.579 film. So whether that's Clone Wars, which is 00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:39.660 actual written material that has made the scene 00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:43.240 about not giving Anakin the rank of master. Oh, 00:20:43.259 --> 00:20:46.039 wait, he did train a Padawan and he's led all 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.140 of this stuff and he's been one of your most 00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:49.819 important people and you you're letting him on 00:20:49.819 --> 00:20:51.160 the council, but you're not giving him the rank. 00:20:51.259 --> 00:20:54.259 That is a giant insult, whether it's that or 00:20:54.259 --> 00:20:58.799 if you think about something like Obi and Anakin's 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.680 high ground moment. This is an analysis that 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.799 has become like that is headcanon that has now 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:09.000 turned into like like God's will, as if this 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.289 is the thing. What I mean by that is this. The 00:21:12.289 --> 00:21:15.390 high ground moment with Anakin and Obi -Wan is 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:17.450 Obi -Wan says, I've got the high ground. Don't 00:21:17.450 --> 00:21:19.650 try it. And now people have gone and done this 00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:22.089 thing where they're like, but you see, Anakin 00:21:22.089 --> 00:21:25.190 would have heard all about how Obi -Wan beat 00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:28.029 Maul, even though Maul had the high ground. And 00:21:28.029 --> 00:21:31.089 Anakin thinks that Obi -Wan is better or that 00:21:31.089 --> 00:21:33.190 he's better than Obi -Wan. And so he's now going 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:36.529 to show up his master in his hubris and he's 00:21:36.529 --> 00:21:39.049 going to leap and do it. That all very well could 00:21:39.049 --> 00:21:41.730 be true, but that is only subtextual analysis. 00:21:41.910 --> 00:21:44.849 That's not provable by evidence in the film. 00:21:45.009 --> 00:21:48.349 And so this film has aged the best with this 00:21:48.349 --> 00:21:51.670 mixture of like fan head canon that has been 00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:54.109 poured into a concoction of actual canon stuff 00:21:54.109 --> 00:21:57.170 that is now sort of indistinguishable. What's 00:21:57.170 --> 00:22:00.650 aged the worst? I think actually not that much. 00:22:00.829 --> 00:22:03.569 I think everyone knew its faults at the beginning. 00:22:05.259 --> 00:22:09.759 And now kind of sit either under inflating the 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:12.700 faults or properly inflating the faults. I will 00:22:12.700 --> 00:22:16.039 say, I think just with Clone Wars kind of nerfing 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.180 Padme's character, where she becomes this Mary 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:21.380 Jane damsel with not too much Leia in her, where 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:23.400 she's like, I can get myself out, but not really. 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.859 They really nerf her character as compared to 00:22:26.859 --> 00:22:29.559 the first two movies. She becomes the object 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.619 of Anakin's like whole plot. And that's the only 00:22:33.619 --> 00:22:36.339 reason why she's there. And that, to me, feels 00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:38.900 like an irresponsible use of your one female 00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:42.019 character that has been the coolest, the most 00:22:42.019 --> 00:22:45.000 interesting of your trio, the person with the 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:46.839 most growth, the person that we're most interested 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.460 to get to know because we know the dad issues 00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:52.859 in the original trilogies and we get one second 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:54.819 of mother -daughter time where I remember her, 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.019 she was sad. And guess what? That's all we get 00:22:58.019 --> 00:23:01.420 of her in this movie is she's just sad. And she 00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:03.940 was so good in Clone Wars. Like, they really 00:23:03.940 --> 00:23:06.099 did such a great job with her character. And, 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.539 I mean, hindsight's 20 -20 with it coming out 00:23:08.539 --> 00:23:11.099 after. But, yeah. Yeah. They did her a little 00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:13.400 dirty in this movie. Well, and especially Attack 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.400 on Clones. She's, like, gung -ho. She's a leader. 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:19.960 Phantom Menace, she might be a little bratty 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.000 at times. And I seriously think that she might 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.420 be a serial killer. But that was one of my theories 00:23:25.420 --> 00:23:28.220 from that film. Is that Sabe gets her to go clean 00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:30.490 up the droid. For R2, because she's like, oh, 00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:32.309 my God, this woman's crazy. I need her to go 00:23:32.309 --> 00:23:34.509 do something. I feel like she'd totally do it, 00:23:34.509 --> 00:23:40.630 too. Yeah. So I just, yeah, I feel like nerfing 00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:42.670 her has really aged to the worst for me. What 00:23:42.670 --> 00:23:44.589 about you guys? I mean, some of the dialogue. 00:23:45.329 --> 00:23:47.789 And it makes me think of Padme. Like, I just, 00:23:47.869 --> 00:23:49.769 I mean, literally in just my last rewatch when 00:23:49.769 --> 00:23:51.329 they're, like, standing out on the balcony and 00:23:51.329 --> 00:23:53.730 they're like, you're so beautiful. And it's only 00:23:53.730 --> 00:23:56.890 because. I'm in love. And I'm just like, whoa, 00:23:56.950 --> 00:24:00.410 let's leave this in Attack of the Clones. What 00:24:00.410 --> 00:24:03.849 are we doing? And I think especially, too, if 00:24:03.849 --> 00:24:05.529 you're watching it and you think of it in this 00:24:05.529 --> 00:24:07.109 Clone Wars thing, and you're thinking about all 00:24:07.109 --> 00:24:09.150 the things that happened in these years between, 00:24:09.309 --> 00:24:10.809 and you're like, and now we're just regressing 00:24:10.809 --> 00:24:13.930 a little bit. And so, yeah, some of the dialogue's 00:24:13.930 --> 00:24:18.170 a little not great still. Yeah, totally. Keep 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:20.890 your finger on the pause button and rewind that 00:24:20.890 --> 00:24:25.500 tape. It's time. For the prestige category, what 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:29.640 did we notice on this watch through? Okay, first 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:33.220 of all. Okay, is it just me? Or is Palpatine 00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:37.339 so, so, so obvious? He couldn't be more obvious 00:24:37.339 --> 00:24:42.059 unless he was stroking a white cat as the chair 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:49.400 swivels around and going, Hello, Mr. Bond. He 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.680 is sitting there all... captured, like he's on 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:58.019 a dang throne. He is ruling that seat. He is 00:24:58.019 --> 00:25:01.900 unconcerned by the situation. Obi -Wan's, ah, 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.200 Sith Lords are our speciality. Are they now, 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.000 first of all? Not that one, apparently. Also, 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.539 Obi, you're one for two. You took out, and not 00:25:11.539 --> 00:25:13.460 even a Sith Lord, you took out an apprentice 00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:15.579 and then you didn't take out another apprentice. 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:21.779 Like, what are you talking about? And, Then he 00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:24.160 immediately switches to this whole convincing 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.259 of Anakin to just straight up kill somebody, 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.240 which, side note, does not take much convincing 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.400 at all. Do it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, all right. Yeah, 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.140 sounds good. No, no, actually, that's a great 00:25:35.140 --> 00:25:43.420 idea. He's been in too many movies anyways. I 00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:47.720 will say. Yeah, he's just so obvious. I do feel 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:50.829 like he is in this scene. That not just like 00:25:50.829 --> 00:25:53.930 the actor, but Palpatine himself is like, hey, 00:25:54.049 --> 00:25:57.950 I'm captured. What are you going to do now? Are 00:25:57.950 --> 00:25:58.890 you going to kill him? I'm so scared that I'm 00:25:58.890 --> 00:26:07.940 captured. Yeah. Oh, no. Like, he's just cackling 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:09.599 over there like a little kid. He's basically, 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.539 like, reclining in a Lazy Boy while he's watching 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:14.460 the fight. Just, like, clapping his hands, watching 00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:19.680 them go at it. Yay! Teeny dinner! Fight for me! 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:28.799 Fight for me! Yeah. On to other characters who 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:32.500 are just kind of killing me right now. Padme 00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:36.119 is so certain. that everything with her and the 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.460 baby is going to be okay. First of all, she's 00:26:39.460 --> 00:26:42.400 seen how accurate Anakin's visions can be. First 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.240 hand, she was there when the women and the children. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.740 Second of all, she's in a first time pregnancy. 00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:55.259 Can I speak as a person who has been pregnant 00:26:55.259 --> 00:27:00.099 now three times? There is no way she's this chill. 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.799 Especially because She has to keep this a secret. 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.519 She can't just go and talk to every mom she knows. 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.339 She can't just Google, hey, Reddit, I'm feeling 00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:14.599 this weird thing. My husband is having visions 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.980 of me dying. His last vision of someone dying 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:20.619 actually happened. How screwed am I? You know, 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.000 she can't do any of that. There's absolutely 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.339 no way she'd be this certain. And she needs to 00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:30.799 make a birth plan, please. So along those lines, 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:33.700 why is she traveling when she's due? At the very 00:27:33.700 --> 00:27:35.140 end of the movie, she's like, don't worry, I'm 00:27:35.140 --> 00:27:38.480 going to fly. Nothing wrong will happen to me. 00:27:38.539 --> 00:27:40.619 I'm going to fly with the baby to this guy who 00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:42.900 maybe has more than some children. Yeah, to this 00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:47.539 lava planet. What could go wrong? On Earth, if 00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:52.460 you are after 36 weeks, I believe, airlines will 00:27:52.460 --> 00:27:55.579 not let you fly. She's not just getting on a 00:27:55.579 --> 00:27:58.339 dang plane and going three hours away. She's 00:27:58.339 --> 00:28:04.210 flying in space to another planet. Knowing that 00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:07.329 her husband has gone rogue and he has these powers. 00:28:07.869 --> 00:28:14.490 Yeah. Um, ma 'am. Ma 'am. So many of the Star 00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:17.029 Wars universe is like, I was born in hyperspace 00:28:17.029 --> 00:28:22.609 and I'm fine. It's like, it's like car babies. 00:28:23.730 --> 00:28:26.390 I mean, did we not learn from Doctor Who? Like 00:28:26.390 --> 00:28:30.549 when babies are born in the time vortex, they 00:28:30.549 --> 00:28:33.500 get a little. A little waxy doodle. A little 00:28:33.500 --> 00:28:40.059 wonky. Continuing my frustration with people. 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.900 Windu. Mace, mace, mace, mace, mace. I sense 00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:50.259 a plot to destroy the Jedi. Oh, do you now, Windu? 00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:53.940 Do you? The dark side surrounds the Chancellor. 00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.619 Are you just now sensing this? Not literally 00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:02.410 every other time. In all of these movies that 00:29:02.410 --> 00:29:05.369 you have been in contact and in the same room 00:29:05.369 --> 00:29:08.750 as and within two feet of this Chancellor, you 00:29:08.750 --> 00:29:11.910 haven't sensed it until right now? Chancellor 00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:15.170 Palpatine smirks all the time. He doesn't use 00:29:15.170 --> 00:29:17.849 his face muscles. The dark side is what's pushing 00:29:17.849 --> 00:29:23.329 his face muscles up to smirk like that. Especially 00:29:23.329 --> 00:29:27.180 the... The moment where he says, I sense a plot 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:31.380 to destroy the Jedi, it's said so casually. He's 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.200 just like, you know, I sense a plot to destroy 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:39.000 the Jedi. NBD, Casual Tuesday. It's like being 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.180 at a religious meetup where everyone is like 00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:42.799 talking about like, yeah, here's what's going 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.819 on in my life. And he's like, by the way, I sense 00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:47.039 a plot to destroy literally all of us. Me and 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:52.369 all my friends. Me and all my friends. We're 00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:54.869 all going to die, guys. Just so you know. It's 00:29:54.869 --> 00:30:00.049 fine. It's probably bad. It could be okay. It's 00:30:00.049 --> 00:30:01.890 because they're the Jedi. Nothing can happen 00:30:01.890 --> 00:30:06.230 to them, right? Spoilers. Spoilers. Hold on. 00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:11.430 Another thing that I noticed this go -around. 00:30:12.309 --> 00:30:17.289 Leaving Anakin alone to spy on Palpatine is a 00:30:17.289 --> 00:30:20.940 horrible plan for many, many reasons. I feel 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:22.960 like every time I rewatch it, I find another 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.099 reason why this is such a bad plan. He is clearly 00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:29.180 so mixed up in his feelings. He doesn't know 00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:31.200 how he feels about the Jedi. He doesn't know 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.059 how he feels about Palpatine. The Jedi know that 00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:37.960 he's having weird do -I -trust -him -do -I -not 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.349 feelings about Palpatine. No one is going to 00:30:41.349 --> 00:30:44.930 be there to check up on the situation, see how 00:30:44.930 --> 00:30:48.750 Anakin's doing, make sure his mental state is 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.170 okay. They already know that the dark side is 00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:55.990 surrounding the Chancellor, as we have literally 00:30:55.990 --> 00:31:00.730 just learned, and yet we're not going to be slightly 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:04.450 concerned that we're setting Anakin up for failure? 00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:08.109 Like, you're sending somebody who you would not 00:31:08.109 --> 00:31:12.049 - grant the rank of master to because you don't 00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:16.170 fully trust him to go be around the dark side. 00:31:16.509 --> 00:31:19.769 And spy on someone you also kind of don't trust. 00:31:20.690 --> 00:31:23.470 They just handed Anakin over on the little silver 00:31:23.470 --> 00:31:29.869 platter. Exactly. It's ridiculous. It's straight 00:31:29.869 --> 00:31:34.210 up ridiculous. I've been very critical of this 00:31:34.210 --> 00:31:36.829 movie, period. Even when it first came out, and 00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:39.470 I was, I don't know, I must have been in eighth 00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:42.730 grade, I think, when this movie came out. Maybe 00:31:42.730 --> 00:31:45.369 seventh grade. Yeah, yeah, 13 years old. And 00:31:45.369 --> 00:31:48.430 even then, I remember being like, I just feel 00:31:48.430 --> 00:31:50.029 like it was a little rushed, and I didn't really 00:31:50.029 --> 00:31:53.000 understand the... Anakin's emotional reasoning 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.740 behind all this. Like, I get all the points. 00:31:55.940 --> 00:31:58.420 And I've watched this movie a lot. And then we've 00:31:58.420 --> 00:32:01.019 been doing all of this research and reading of 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.200 prequel stuff. Like, I read so many prequel comics. 00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:05.880 And I read, we read a bunch of prequel books 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.519 together. We watched all of Clone Wars, which 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.160 is just so much heavy lifting. And I listen to 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.289 my students all the time talk about. You know, 00:32:12.349 --> 00:32:13.750 they ask me, like, what my ranking of Star Wars 00:32:13.750 --> 00:32:15.490 movie is. And, like, Revenge of the Sith is, 00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:17.210 like, fourth or fifth, depending on the day. 00:32:17.349 --> 00:32:19.170 And they're like, no, it's got to be number one. 00:32:19.269 --> 00:32:20.650 And I'm like, okay, I'll give this movie another 00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:23.670 fair shot. And I got to say, I still have some 00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:25.289 of the same complaints, even though I really 00:32:25.289 --> 00:32:28.839 love this movie. And it just really stuck with 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.079 me again how all the major plot points are there. 00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:33.660 Like, they really give you, okay, here's Palpatine 00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:35.460 manipulating him. Here's what's going on with 00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:38.039 Padme. Remember the last movie with unnamed mother 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.819 number one? Well, the same thing's sort of happening 00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:42.200 with Padme. That's what's making him lose control. 00:32:42.339 --> 00:32:44.059 That's what's making him so desperate. And also 00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:45.720 at the same time, the Jedi are at war. They're 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.640 kind of distracted by all this. Obi -Wan isn't 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.359 around for Anakin the way he needs him to be. 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.109 But... They don't, the scenes don't actually 00:32:53.109 --> 00:32:55.710 explore much of the emotional depth. I think 00:32:55.710 --> 00:32:58.329 like the one that really sticks out to me is 00:32:58.329 --> 00:33:01.349 when Anakin and Padme are discussing, well, Padme 00:33:01.349 --> 00:33:03.849 is asking Anakin and she comes to him and the 00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:06.029 acting by Natalie Portman in this scene is so 00:33:06.029 --> 00:33:08.269 good because she really feels like someone who 00:33:08.269 --> 00:33:10.809 has been holding on to this thought and it's 00:33:10.809 --> 00:33:13.009 just spilling out of her now where she goes, 00:33:13.109 --> 00:33:15.309 what if we're on the wrong side? Essentially. 00:33:15.309 --> 00:33:17.589 And Anakin is like, you're starting to sound 00:33:17.589 --> 00:33:20.130 like a separatist. And that's such a great scene. 00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:23.430 But we just get a kiss of it before it leaves. 00:33:23.549 --> 00:33:26.650 It's a complete tease emotionally. And that to 00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:32.130 me is my big problem with the movie. And George 00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.589 Lucas talks about this movie when he talks about 00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:38.349 how long the initial scene with Dooku took. They 00:33:38.349 --> 00:33:41.490 cut it down to a half hour. It was an hour of 00:33:41.490 --> 00:33:43.690 footage with CGI effects and everything before 00:33:43.690 --> 00:33:45.130 he was like, no, we got to cut it down. This 00:33:45.130 --> 00:33:46.990 movie is going to be three hours. And I'm like, 00:33:47.049 --> 00:33:50.980 that's just the action that they cut. They had 00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:55.019 to sacrifice so much to get us to Order 66. And 00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:57.420 so it really feels like sort of Game of Thrones 00:33:57.420 --> 00:33:59.839 season eight, like plot point, plot point, plot 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.079 point. And now we can do the big idea. Right. 00:34:03.339 --> 00:34:06.400 And I just, it's just so frustrating because 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.260 there are these moments where I'm like, oh, let's 00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:09.940 spend a little bit more time in that. Let's really, 00:34:09.940 --> 00:34:12.300 let's really get in the nitty gritty of it. And 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:16.099 it just won't, it just won't stay seated for 00:34:16.099 --> 00:34:18.559 a second. I agree. I mean, even with this being 00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.579 my favorite film, I think that I am still pretty 00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.400 critical of it. And I think this is where the 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.059 novelization of this movie really shines. But 00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:30.239 at the same time, you shouldn't have to consume 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.139 Clone Wars and read the novelization and watch 00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:35.039 all these other things to get the full impact. 00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.500 Because I think one of the criticisms I see a 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.119 lot of this film, to your point of how it just 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.519 jumps around, is like, wow, how did Anakin fold 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.340 so quickly? How did that happen? But if you've 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:47.159 watched... you know, the Clone Wars, it really... 00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:50.380 isn't that quick he's already there especially 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:52.300 like you know everything that happens with like 00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:53.980 the mortis arc which by the way is my favorite 00:34:53.980 --> 00:34:58.659 episodes of clone wars ever me too won't get 00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:02.019 on that tangent but no um but yes so i think 00:35:02.019 --> 00:35:04.300 like we all the pieces are there and he just 00:35:04.300 --> 00:35:06.159 needs something to push him over the edge which 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.139 is what we see in this film right he gets that 00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:10.679 push he gets that fear of padme dying he gets 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.280 somebody saying i can help you save her and that's 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.840 enough but to a casual viewer i can see them 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.610 being like wait what Like, we were just here 00:35:18.610 --> 00:35:21.809 and now we're here. And even with, like, the 00:35:21.809 --> 00:35:23.829 scene that I'm talking about specifically, even 00:35:23.829 --> 00:35:25.730 with Clone Wars and all of that stuff, that scene 00:35:25.730 --> 00:35:28.050 still is emotionally lacking. Because it doesn't 00:35:28.050 --> 00:35:30.150 allow for Anakin and Padme to actually have that 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.230 conversation. Versus, you're right, for a lot 00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:33.949 of the other stuff, if you have consumed all 00:35:33.949 --> 00:35:37.250 this media, and I'm a big proponent of whatever 00:35:37.250 --> 00:35:40.170 your main medium is, you have to have everything 00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:43.210 crucial and essential in that medium. You can't 00:35:43.210 --> 00:35:44.969 be asking people to go and do all this other 00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:48.269 stuff. Um, but man, does Clone Wars make this 00:35:48.269 --> 00:35:51.230 movie really fit a lot better? But even then 00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:53.210 there are still moments where I'm like, ah, George, 00:35:53.349 --> 00:35:56.349 just give us, give us like 30 more seconds of 00:35:56.349 --> 00:35:58.969 this conversation. Give us a La La Land like 00:35:58.969 --> 00:36:01.550 fight between Padme and Anakin so that I can 00:36:01.550 --> 00:36:03.670 be even more devastated when they're not completely 00:36:03.670 --> 00:36:06.170 made up by the time that he chokes her out. Right. 00:36:06.369 --> 00:36:09.409 Some of us love the politics of it and getting 00:36:09.409 --> 00:36:11.989 into those conversations. And I do agree that 00:36:11.989 --> 00:36:14.789 I think that's what's lacking a little bit in 00:36:14.789 --> 00:36:16.750 this movie. They could have really gone there 00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:19.309 several times, but didn't, I think, for the sake 00:36:19.309 --> 00:36:21.309 of just what you said to get to the action scenes. 00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:28.090 Yeah. I think kind of a bridge between the two 00:36:28.090 --> 00:36:29.309 kind of things that we've been talking about. 00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:31.880 We're like sitting in a scene. for a little bit 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.000 of time, and then also seeing Anakin get pushed 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.880 over the edge. I think maybe one of my favorite, 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.380 favorite moments of this movie is Anakin is in 00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:48.340 the council chambers. Padme is in her quarters. 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.139 They are both looking out their windows towards 00:36:51.139 --> 00:36:56.139 each other's buildings. And the music... is this 00:36:56.139 --> 00:37:01.239 gentle, haunting vocalization. And the subtlety 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.539 in both of their acting and their facial expressions 00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:09.539 and all of their just mannerisms that they have. 00:37:09.739 --> 00:37:13.880 And it is spot on. And then Anakin turns with 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.280 this tear in his eye because he knows he's going 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.139 to let fear take over. He can't lose Padme. And 00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:25.880 he knows that Padme isn't going to like it. And 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.519 I think it's definitely one of the best moments 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:36.119 for just sitting in emotion and then also just 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:40.179 visually and how the whole scene and sequence 00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:42.980 is put together. It's one of my favorites. And 00:37:42.980 --> 00:37:45.039 every time that I watch it, I kind of am tempted 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.920 to go back and watch it a few more times in a 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.960 row just because it's a very emotionally... almost 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.199 draining moment where you really feel it's like 00:37:56.199 --> 00:38:00.079 the opposite of cathartic. Well, I think what's 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.860 so amazing is, first of all, this is, I feel, 00:38:02.860 --> 00:38:06.039 is one of the best singular moments in all three 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.900 movies. Because this is what film, this is filmmaking's 00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.539 medium. Filmmaking's medium isn't dialogue, it 00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.360 isn't characterization, it isn't necessarily 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.539 plot, it's the visual. Now, when you can do all 00:38:17.539 --> 00:38:19.099 of those things together is when you get the 00:38:19.099 --> 00:38:25.320 perfect movie. this moment is the visual of conflict. 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.559 It is the visual of the stakes. And we actually 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.119 get to sit in it for a second. And this reminds 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.619 me, it's like, it's a full circle moment from 00:38:33.619 --> 00:38:34.980 what we were talking about in Phantom Menace 00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:37.820 Sierra with the poster was more interesting than 00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:40.500 the movie, right? Anakin, little boy Anakin. 00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:41.860 The poster with little Anakin with the Vader 00:38:41.860 --> 00:38:44.579 shadow behind him. Way more interesting than 00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:48.300 the movie. The trailer. of of revenge of the 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:50.880 sense the first trailer is all of these deep 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:55.039 brooding shots of obi and anakin and padme and 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.460 you know that this is the vader origin story 00:38:57.460 --> 00:38:59.599 you know that's coming and you're like you would 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.820 get you so hyped about i just re -watched the 00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.360 trailer in preparation for this podcast and i 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.400 was like man i just finished the movie and i 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.099 have all these complaints but i am so excited 00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:14.000 to watch that movie and it's this this is i I 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.900 would say the same thing with Obi -Wan and Anakin 00:39:16.900 --> 00:39:19.239 clashing together for that moment of lava to 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:23.460 erupt. That is the best of the prequels. It's 00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:25.840 the duel of fates as well with some of those 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:27.719 visualizations that they would give, whether 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.000 it was the fast combat or just the pause to take 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.239 a breath while Obi -Wan and Qui -Gon and Maul 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.559 are all locked out from each other. It's so, 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.880 so deliciously wonderful. When I think it's those 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.139 little scenes, really, that is what, pushes this 00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:47.340 to be my favorite film yeah um you know there's 00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.300 obviously those that there's there's problems 00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:51.860 there too but when it's really good it's it's 00:39:51.860 --> 00:39:55.039 really good yeah when they lean into the like 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.400 othello shakespearean big drama big feelings 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.340 big emotions and yeah the tragedy of it rather 00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:08.429 than the like come now r2 let's let's go Kill 00:40:08.429 --> 00:40:11.250 buzz droids. It's a little less interesting. 00:40:11.590 --> 00:40:14.469 As I'm riding on my lizard creature. Yeah, yeah. 00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:17.710 I love that. That's one of my favorite sound 00:40:17.710 --> 00:40:20.289 designs in all these movies. I love that. It's 00:40:20.289 --> 00:40:23.070 so pleasing to hear the lizard. And it's so sad 00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.849 when the lizard falls. And I still need somebody 00:40:26.849 --> 00:40:29.130 to tell me if that lizard survived the fall or 00:40:29.130 --> 00:40:32.190 not. Right. I need closure. I do. I do need closure. 00:40:33.230 --> 00:40:38.900 My head can only go so far. Okay. I have a hear 00:40:38.900 --> 00:40:41.900 me out for a moment here. And you're going to 00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:44.139 nitpick with me on this, Sam. I just know it. 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.079 You're going to nitpick about exactly what I'm 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:51.980 talking about. But hear me out first. No. Go 00:40:51.980 --> 00:40:55.599 ahead. Anakin walks into the room as Mace and 00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:01.199 Palpatine are fighting. Mace trying to arrest 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.380 Palpatine with the not help of three other Jedi 00:41:05.380 --> 00:41:11.280 who die immediately. And in the moment when Anakin 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:16.739 is telling Mace to stop, he's correct. He is 00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:20.320 totally correct. Killing Palpatine is not the 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.420 Jedi way. Mace should be focused on trying to 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:27.800 bring Palpatine in, not just straight up killing 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.369 him. Anakin has been struggling. with this dilemma 00:41:32.369 --> 00:41:35.369 of what is the Jedi way and do I agree with it, 00:41:35.429 --> 00:41:38.889 since he killed Dooku in this almost exact same 00:41:38.889 --> 00:41:43.110 scenario. And he knew it wasn't right after the 00:41:43.110 --> 00:41:46.989 fact. He says so. And he's caught up in this 00:41:46.989 --> 00:41:49.409 moment and the pressure from Palpatine and the 00:41:49.409 --> 00:41:52.489 waves of the dark side that are impressing upon 00:41:52.489 --> 00:41:57.849 him. And seeing Mace basically replicate what 00:41:57.849 --> 00:42:01.059 he has already done. pushes him over the line, 00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:03.780 and he is no longer thinking rationally and just 00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:09.300 must stop what's happening. He's trying to figure 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:12.800 out how to balance what he has been taught is 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.000 correct, what he has done that he knows is not 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:21.179 correct, and what he has now decided in that 00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:23.480 scene that we were just discussing, that he needs 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.260 to save Padme whatever it takes, and he can't 00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:29.719 do that if Palpatine's dead. All of this is coming 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.639 to a head and he's like, this is going to be 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.780 a huge, huge mistake. Mace don't do it. And Mace 00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:41.900 not stopping to arrest Palpatine completely throws 00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:46.380 Anakin for a loop, which causes the rest of what 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:49.300 occurs in this scene. And I think it's interesting 00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:55.800 because Anakin is correct. I'm with you. I'm 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.099 with you up until that very last line. Where 00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:00.480 you say Anakin is correct. Because we are missing 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.719 a couple of different things. So from Anakin's 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.199 point of view, I see your point in terms of like, 00:43:05.300 --> 00:43:08.099 I just killed Dooku, that was a mistake. You 00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:09.559 shouldn't kill the Emperor, even though he's 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:10.940 the one that, because he's the one that told 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:12.840 me to kill Dooku, and he's the Sith, so actually 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.420 you're now doing a Sith -y thing. What Anakin 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:19.880 missed was the fact that our friend Palpatine 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.400 killed three Jedi. pretty immediately and then 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.920 has had this elongated duel and that he actually 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.119 it like there are a very few select jedi that 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.000 could even hold palpatine temporarily mace is 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.340 one of them anakin is one of them so mace isn't 00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:37.179 actually necessarily that wrong when he's like 00:43:37.179 --> 00:43:39.820 boy he might be too dangerous to keep alive we 00:43:39.820 --> 00:43:42.039 have to take care of this right now also from 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.590 anakin's point of view he's unarmed But Mace 00:43:44.590 --> 00:43:47.510 is actually right because Palpatine is playing 00:43:47.510 --> 00:43:50.070 it up. He's not as defenseless and he's just 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.150 waiting for the moment to strike. He's not unarmed. 00:43:52.250 --> 00:43:54.469 Totem's out. No Sith is unarmed because they 00:43:54.469 --> 00:43:56.929 got crackle fingers that can go buzz to buzz 00:43:56.929 --> 00:44:01.210 to buzz kill. And so, no, he's not right in that 00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:04.010 either. Actually, Mace is right. He is too dangerous 00:44:04.010 --> 00:44:06.269 to be left alive. Something that Anakin will 00:44:06.269 --> 00:44:10.059 rectify 23, 25 years later when he's like. No! 00:44:10.820 --> 00:44:13.300 And throws him into the garbage component of 00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:16.059 the Death Star, kind of, maybe. A shaft that 00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:17.760 has blue light at the bottom of it. We'll call 00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.860 it that. He falls down a hole, which, as we know 00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:23.739 in all of Star Wars, does not mean you die. It 00:44:23.739 --> 00:44:25.539 means death in that case. He's only going to 00:44:25.539 --> 00:44:28.579 lose later. This means your lizard creature is 00:44:28.579 --> 00:44:29.780 still alive, too. I suppose. That's nice. He 00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:33.659 falls down a little bit of a shaft. Okay, fine. 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:37.139 I will accept that. But I will also say this. 00:44:37.789 --> 00:44:40.869 You're missing a little bit of the last line 00:44:40.869 --> 00:44:44.050 that Anakin shouts before he stops Mace. Which 00:44:44.050 --> 00:44:47.800 is... not at all about this isn't the jedi way 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.179 wait no hold on anakin i don't know actually 00:44:50.179 --> 00:44:53.079 is fully like yeah i think he like believes that 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:54.960 but i don't i think he's trying to talk mace 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.039 out of it in the way that it will make sense 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.980 to mace for anakin it is not about that he literally 00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:04.800 shouts i need her before cutting off both of 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.460 mace's hands and then mace gets electrocuted 00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:10.800 and force pushed out a window to not his death 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.809 per george lucas but I think he's not 100 percent 00:45:14.809 --> 00:45:18.469 right. And the main reason is he goes, I need 00:45:18.469 --> 00:45:21.670 him and then cuts off Mace's hands. Because I 00:45:21.670 --> 00:45:24.030 think in that moment, it's really I mean, it's 00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:27.349 like Anakin is so selfish in this moment. And 00:45:27.349 --> 00:45:29.389 like we know that ultimately, like everything 00:45:29.389 --> 00:45:31.570 that's driven all of this is his fear of losing 00:45:31.570 --> 00:45:33.510 Padme. Right. And he's got this person who's 00:45:33.510 --> 00:45:36.329 telling him, I can help you save her. And in 00:45:36.329 --> 00:45:38.730 that moment, Anakin is not thinking about anything 00:45:38.730 --> 00:45:41.960 else, whether it you know, I do think that. It's 00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:43.940 not the Jedi way. And I do think Anakin knows 00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:45.679 that. But yeah, in that moment does not care 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.559 because he just he needs him. I will throw in 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.239 a small counterpoint in Anakin's defense here. 00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:55.219 While yes, he is being very selfish, and I'm 00:45:55.219 --> 00:45:57.340 not going to dispute that I need him at the end. 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.440 What I am going to dispute is what Anakin has 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.449 missed. is everything that has occurred in this 00:46:04.449 --> 00:46:07.530 room up until now, which he would not have missed 00:46:07.530 --> 00:46:11.469 had Mace just taken him with him. Okay, so, but 00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:14.090 Mace being wrong about not taking him with him 00:46:14.090 --> 00:46:17.050 does not equal Anakin being right. It just means 00:46:17.050 --> 00:46:18.230 that Mace was wrong. Well, Anakin doesn't have 00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:20.610 all the information. Well, yeah, but that's... 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.760 That is one of the reasons why he's not 100 % 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.679 right. Like, you're proving my point by saying 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:33.320 that. Okay, fine. He's not 100 % correct. However, 00:46:33.699 --> 00:46:37.699 he makes some good points. He does. That is 100 00:46:37.699 --> 00:46:39.800 % unassailable. He makes some good points, even 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.239 if they're selfish and not really actually intentioned 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.960 for what he's saying. Yeah. Okay. Regardless 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.460 on Anakin's 50%, 100%, somewhere in the middle 00:46:51.460 --> 00:46:54.239 percentage of being correct, he's immediately 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.099 proven to not be able to trust Palpatine. Because 00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:03.780 Palpatine has promised him that he can save Padme. 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.159 He knows how. He can teach Anakin immediately. 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.900 And that's just it. And then immediately we find 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:12.380 out that he's a lying liar who lies. Because 00:47:12.380 --> 00:47:16.719 he says... Oh, well, we can figure it out together. 00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:23.960 We're both smart. We got this. Like, what? Also, 00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:26.320 the whole point of Anakin stopping Mace is so 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.760 that Palpatine's not going to die. He's going 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.179 to stand trial. And whether or not Anakin's being 00:47:31.179 --> 00:47:34.320 fully forthcoming with that at the time, or that's 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.139 just what he thinks Mace wants to hear. The second 00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:39.659 Mace is gone, Anakin's like, justice system? 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.860 What justice system? No, we can't do that. That's 00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:46.960 not the Jedi way. Cuts off hands, watches man 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.739 die. I guess I'll kill people now. It's fine. 00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:53.639 It's fine. It really is. He's like an armored 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.360 knight that you're like, you walk up to him like, 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.260 oh, cool, a suit of armor. And then you push 00:47:57.260 --> 00:47:59.559 a little bit and it's paper. Like, it's just 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.920 straight up paper. And you're like, it's not 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.179 even is this cake? It's is this paper? Like, 00:48:04.179 --> 00:48:09.579 he folds so quickly. It's wild. So to me, everything 00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:13.780 in this movie. before Order 66 bothers me slightly. 00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:18.139 And for what I've already said. And then once 00:48:18.139 --> 00:48:20.659 I sit with myself and I go, okay, I am accepting 00:48:20.659 --> 00:48:23.500 the fact that he's now Vader, even though I don't 00:48:23.500 --> 00:48:25.960 actually think that he's really Vader. And I 00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:27.719 don't really see why he would go to immediately 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.260 killing children. But if you do accept that, 00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:34.199 everything from the movie onward, I think rocks. 00:48:34.579 --> 00:48:38.219 With the slight caveat of like... Padme is dying. 00:48:38.420 --> 00:48:41.239 Why? We don't know. But we'll get to that point 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:45.679 in a second. But I feel like everything after 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.559 this moment is like, wow, I'm super, super down. 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.340 I'm telling you, that third act just makes you 00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:53.579 forget the rest of the film. It really does. 00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:58.219 Lava, yay! Like Palpatine watching them fight. 00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:03.940 Fight for me! Something interesting, just a little 00:49:03.940 --> 00:49:06.280 side note, I never really picked up before that 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.780 Bale could have just immediately left, but he 00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:14.880 lingers just long enough that he sees the Padawan 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:18.320 fighting clones and therefore becomes one of 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.860 the only people to actually know what has happened, 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.980 which is fascinating because I don't know if 00:49:23.980 --> 00:49:28.159 I just never picked up on that scene or just 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.280 didn't. make it into my memory towards the end 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.480 of the movie when he and Obi -Wan and Yoda are 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.800 all speaking being like wow he's like actually 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.139 very important in terms of amount of knowledge 00:49:42.139 --> 00:49:45.420 of what has just occurred everything that they 00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:48.159 do with Bail Organa I think is incredible I think 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.340 it's one of the coolest things about Revenge 00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:52.480 of the Sith is that they build in very subtly 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:56.059 off to the side this awesome dad of Leia then 00:49:56.059 --> 00:49:59.519 showing you hey Why does she have such a strong 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.719 moral compass? This guy right here. He's the 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.519 only senator that we know of that turns up and 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.960 is like, hey, what's going on? How can I help 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.639 at the Jedi Temple? And then he gets to witness 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.980 literal George Lucas' son dying. Because that's 00:50:14.980 --> 00:50:18.099 the kid that does all these amazing flips. That's 00:50:18.099 --> 00:50:20.500 played by Jet Lucas. That's George Lucas' kid. 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:25.099 Cool. Yeah. Again, this just continues my... 00:50:25.869 --> 00:50:29.849 frustration with characters. Yoda. Yoda, Yoda, 00:50:29.849 --> 00:50:32.570 Yoda, Yoda. You have had multiple opportunities 00:50:32.570 --> 00:50:37.130 now to explain what you have seen, what you have 00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:39.949 had visions of, what you have experienced, what 00:50:39.949 --> 00:50:42.989 you have heard. You have had multiple different 00:50:42.989 --> 00:50:45.329 people that you could have shared all of this 00:50:45.329 --> 00:50:47.809 information with, and yet you have done nothing. 00:50:48.309 --> 00:50:51.960 And I... Want to shake that little green puppet. 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.980 My opinion of Yoda gets worse after every rewatch 00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:01.659 of the prequels. And I, especially when we talk 00:51:01.659 --> 00:51:03.340 about this on our Clone Wars, Nicole, on our 00:51:03.340 --> 00:51:05.179 Clone Wars pod, Nicole, not that you are Clone 00:51:05.179 --> 00:51:07.980 Wars, Nicole. I would love to be Clone Wars, 00:51:07.980 --> 00:51:09.920 Nicole. Clone Wars, Nicole. That's who's on the 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.420 show today. Clone Wars, Nicole. But we talk about 00:51:13.420 --> 00:51:15.969 it then. Where Yoda goes off to Dagobah and has 00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:18.530 the whole, like, can I find the way to immortality? 00:51:18.670 --> 00:51:21.690 And he finds out all about what's going to happen. 00:51:22.329 --> 00:51:24.389 And then he turns up and Mace and Obi -Wan are 00:51:24.389 --> 00:51:26.730 like, so what happened? And he's like, nothing. 00:51:28.489 --> 00:51:34.139 What? Dude. And that's why I wrote in the, in 00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:36.760 the little thing, like he yeets himself off into 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.280 the world. He's like, nah, I'm, I'm good. 800 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.380 years of this and I'm done. I don't need this 00:51:41.380 --> 00:51:44.900 anymore. What a selfish man. He reminds me a 00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:47.880 bit of like, he's the Dumbledore version in this 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.079 world where you're like, Hey man, come on. You 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.659 didn't have a better plan. Or he did and just 00:51:53.659 --> 00:51:58.159 didn't share it with anybody. I could see it 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.530 either way. For real. And then we get the kind 00:52:02.530 --> 00:52:07.590 of new brewing drama between Anakin and Palpatine. 00:52:07.670 --> 00:52:10.530 So they have just formed this new alliance and 00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:13.429 now Anakin is ready to slash it all to pieces 00:52:13.429 --> 00:52:20.750 immediately. I find it very sudden because Anakin 00:52:20.750 --> 00:52:24.789 turns exceptionally quickly from I'll kill for 00:52:24.789 --> 00:52:29.710 you to I'll kill you. I'll kill the chancellor 00:52:29.710 --> 00:52:33.909 and I will rule. Yeah. And it seems slightly 00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:38.730 out of character to me because while we know 00:52:38.730 --> 00:52:41.090 he supports kind of the idea of a dictatorship 00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:45.869 and that if one person is in charge, then – No 00:52:45.869 --> 00:52:48.889 red tape. Exactly. No red tape. Things can get 00:52:48.889 --> 00:52:52.730 done. Things can happen. And he definitely thinks 00:52:52.730 --> 00:52:55.429 that he knows best about most situations and 00:52:55.429 --> 00:52:58.880 people should listen to him. However – he hasn't 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.659 really given hints that he has designs to be 00:53:02.659 --> 00:53:05.920 the ruler. He just seems like he wants to support 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:10.780 that ruler or, you know, really help make whatever 00:53:10.780 --> 00:53:16.320 world that is the best that it can be. And it 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.599 just seems very odd that suddenly he's like, 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.699 no, we'll rule the galaxy side by side. I'm with 00:53:24.699 --> 00:53:30.369 Padme. She's like, wait, what? I think that Anakin's 00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:32.409 in such emotional turmoil this whole time. Because 00:53:32.409 --> 00:53:35.369 there's even that one scene where they look at 00:53:35.369 --> 00:53:37.969 his face while he's fully going dark side and 00:53:37.969 --> 00:53:41.010 he's still crying about what's gone on. And I 00:53:41.010 --> 00:53:44.230 think that this is very different from the proposition 00:53:44.230 --> 00:53:46.449 that he gives to Luke. He's like, we will rule 00:53:46.449 --> 00:53:48.670 side by side. And I think that's more of him 00:53:48.670 --> 00:53:51.909 being like... Yeah, I'm so in trouble with my 00:53:51.909 --> 00:53:53.909 wife right now. I'm going to explain why this 00:53:53.909 --> 00:53:56.110 is going to be a good thing. And actually, I'm 00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:57.989 going to be the one in charge. I'm not working 00:53:57.989 --> 00:54:01.630 for the emperor. And so he's kind of like spiraling. 00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:03.389 He's just spiraling. And I think that this is 00:54:03.389 --> 00:54:05.989 one of his ways of trying to get out of all the 00:54:05.989 --> 00:54:07.809 evil that he's done with Padme. It's like, you 00:54:07.809 --> 00:54:10.190 know what? Now you and I are going to rule. And 00:54:10.190 --> 00:54:14.679 versus 22 years later. When he's talking to Luke, 00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.900 I think that is him being like, I have thought 00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:18.800 this through. I know what I need to do. I hate 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.820 this guy. And we know now through the comics 00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:24.320 that he's found out that Luke is his son even 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.690 before the Emperor tells him. on the ship. And 00:54:27.690 --> 00:54:29.590 Boba Fett is the one that finds that out. He 00:54:29.590 --> 00:54:31.489 gives that information to Vader. Vader cracks 00:54:31.489 --> 00:54:34.530 an entire window in a Star Destroyer because 00:54:34.530 --> 00:54:37.610 he's so angry about it. And so I think he's had 00:54:37.610 --> 00:54:39.369 time. And so that's the juxtaposition between 00:54:39.369 --> 00:54:41.409 those two is this is an unsure little kid being 00:54:41.409 --> 00:54:43.750 like, I'm in trouble. Wait, I can make this better. 00:54:43.829 --> 00:54:46.429 I'll be the one in charge. Versus with Luke, 00:54:46.489 --> 00:54:49.829 he's like, no, no, no, man, I got a plan. I also 00:54:49.829 --> 00:54:52.349 think that this is also very in line with Anakin's 00:54:52.349 --> 00:54:55.130 character because he's been the whole time. Everyone 00:54:55.130 --> 00:54:59.650 holds me back. I will save all the slaves. I 00:54:59.650 --> 00:55:03.369 will save mom. I will save Padme. I'm the most 00:55:03.369 --> 00:55:06.929 talented. He's the chosen one. Exactly. He's 00:55:06.929 --> 00:55:09.690 told that he's the chosen one. He has Obi -Wan's 00:55:09.690 --> 00:55:12.510 voice in his head going, you are the chosen one 00:55:12.510 --> 00:55:17.630 constantly. But I am the chosen one. Smack. Him 00:55:17.630 --> 00:55:20.630 and Harry can duke it out. Duke it out for sure. 00:55:21.389 --> 00:55:25.590 There's a great Lego video of that Lego rap battle 00:55:25.590 --> 00:55:27.349 between Harry Potter and Luke. You guys should 00:55:27.349 --> 00:55:30.789 watch it later. It's great. Oh, yes. Yes. I also 00:55:30.789 --> 00:55:33.110 think it's clear in the novels and comics moving 00:55:33.110 --> 00:55:36.190 forward that Palpatine should feel immensely 00:55:36.190 --> 00:55:38.849 grateful that Anakin got his limbs and therefore 00:55:38.849 --> 00:55:42.369 a lot of midichlorians removed from his body 00:55:42.369 --> 00:55:45.510 because he is not controllable. I think if he 00:55:45.510 --> 00:55:48.409 has three out of four limbs instead of four out 00:55:48.409 --> 00:55:51.469 of four all mechanical. All that blood means 00:55:51.469 --> 00:55:53.329 that all those microorganisms have gone down. 00:55:53.369 --> 00:55:55.929 So he has diminished his force abilities. This 00:55:55.929 --> 00:55:58.150 is something that's covered in old EU as well. 00:55:58.630 --> 00:56:03.289 When in old EU, Jason Solo, Han and Leia's kid 00:56:03.289 --> 00:56:06.510 gets turned to the dark side by some Sith people. 00:56:06.750 --> 00:56:08.969 And they're like, you'll be more powerful than 00:56:08.969 --> 00:56:10.090 Vader. And he's like, there's no way. And they're 00:56:10.090 --> 00:56:12.369 like, no, you will be because he was so much 00:56:12.369 --> 00:56:14.789 mechanical. You actually have the living force 00:56:14.789 --> 00:56:17.309 permeating through all of you. You are still 00:56:17.309 --> 00:56:21.519 intact. Palpatine just barely can keep control 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.559 of Vader in the novels and the comics. And even 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.360 then, Vader's still plotting and doing all these 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.820 regular Sith stuff. But I think the fact that 00:56:28.820 --> 00:56:31.860 he owes Obi -Wan flowers, at least, for like, 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.699 thank you for making this guy somebody I can 00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:38.320 control. I mean, look how Anakin is able to control 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.699 the Mortis gods. Like, in all of that, you know, 00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:43.260 I got to bring up the Mortis Ark again. Of course. 00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:45.320 Like, Palpatine didn't stand a chance. Like, 00:56:45.380 --> 00:56:49.460 if Vader had remained Vader in Anakin form, Palpatine 00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:50.960 would have never stood a chance. There would 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.820 not have been 25 years of having him at his leash. 00:56:55.219 --> 00:56:58.639 Yeah. Totally. Absolutely. Which is a little 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.900 bit confusing to me why Sidious, at this point, 00:57:02.900 --> 00:57:07.099 before Anakin loses his limbs, is still trying 00:57:07.099 --> 00:57:10.519 to recruit him and not – kill him as a rival, 00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.119 because we've seen what he does to significantly 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.820 lesser rivals, Savage, just going in - Maul, 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.219 you know, just going in and essentially exterminating, 00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.820 telling Dooku to kill Ventress, all of these 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:29.340 things, because he doesn't want any other Sith 00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:32.559 to rival him, and he knows who he can control 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.940 and who he can't. And I feel like this is a big 00:57:34.940 --> 00:57:39.079 oversight. In this moment, before he figures 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.880 out that he can control Anakin, I think it is 00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.619 a big oversight for him to not just try to take 00:57:44.619 --> 00:57:47.800 him out. But think about Luke's, like, this awesome 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.820 one -liner that he says to Emperor Palpatine 00:57:49.820 --> 00:57:52.880 in Return of the Jedi. Your overconfidence is 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.199 your weakness. The Emperor hits him back and 00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.340 says, your faith in your friends is yours, which 00:57:58.340 --> 00:58:01.440 is a great burn and an incredible, like, Lucas 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.519 should be like, ow, when he says it, but he doesn't. 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.260 So I think his hubris is just Emperor Palpatine's 00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:09.900 biggest thing. Also, Palpatine, Order 66 doesn't 00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.539 work without Anakin. Anakin is the only Jedi 00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:15.059 that can go into the Jedi Temple and murder everybody. 00:58:15.619 --> 00:58:19.760 Like, anybody else, Maul, Savage, Ventress, Dooku, 00:58:20.019 --> 00:58:24.260 they go in there and they die. Anakin is the 00:58:24.260 --> 00:58:25.940 one powerful enough to go in there. And that's 00:58:25.940 --> 00:58:28.820 down a limb. That's down like an eighth of his 00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:31.760 body, basically. And I think in that early time 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.420 too, like when he first becomes Vader, like Palpatine 00:58:34.420 --> 00:58:36.519 does still have so much like emotional control 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.179 over him. Yeah. And obviously we see that at 00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:42.059 the end too, right? Like when, like what, you 00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:44.480 know, at the end when he's, you know. finally 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.280 in his suit and everything. And, you know, Palpatine 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.679 knows to say to him, like, well, you killed Padme 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.460 in your anger. And then you just see how Vader, 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:54.119 you know, we talked about the no moment and how 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.300 he erupts and like literally Palpatine like smiles 00:58:56.300 --> 00:58:59.800 because he's like this, he just has, I think 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.860 at that point, yeah, Anakin Vader is still too 00:59:02.860 --> 00:59:05.559 emotionally driven and doesn't know the full 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.480 potential because his emotions are clouding a 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:17.090 lot of it. powerful force moments. And in that 00:59:17.090 --> 00:59:19.949 moment where Palpatine is smiling, Vader is crushing 00:59:19.949 --> 00:59:23.070 everything around him. And so he's like, wow, 00:59:23.230 --> 00:59:25.809 look at, look at how powerful this guy is as 00:59:25.809 --> 00:59:28.530 my enforcer. He is going to be the person that, 00:59:28.550 --> 00:59:30.869 that goes around. And of course, by the time 00:59:30.869 --> 00:59:33.929 we get to a new hope, Vader has gotten in enough 00:59:33.929 --> 00:59:36.550 trouble with Palpatine that he's on Tarkin's 00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:40.730 leash, not even Emperor's leash. So. It's, you 00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:42.909 know, a kind of fascinating dynamic between the 00:59:42.909 --> 00:59:45.210 two moving forward. But again, owes Obie flowers 00:59:45.210 --> 00:59:46.769 for chopping him up. Oh, yeah, I think if that 00:59:46.769 --> 00:59:48.550 never happened, this would be a totally different 00:59:48.550 --> 00:59:50.070 story. Story, absolutely. It would be a totally 00:59:50.070 --> 00:59:55.349 different character. Yeah. So, now we've reached 00:59:55.349 --> 01:00:01.389 the end of the film, essentially. And I have 01:00:01.389 --> 01:00:07.050 a good, and I have a bad, and I have a... And 01:00:07.050 --> 01:00:11.860 ugly. And amusing. Dang it. A good, a bad, and 01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:15.400 an amusing. So we'll start with the bad because 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:17.139 I want to end on a good note. So we'll start 01:00:17.139 --> 01:00:21.059 with the bad, which is Padme just losing the 01:00:21.059 --> 01:00:25.619 will to live will always bother me. I know. There's 01:00:25.619 --> 01:00:32.300 the whole, it was Palpatine all along. But I'm 01:00:32.300 --> 01:00:35.869 sorry. Even with that. You have this woman. She 01:00:35.869 --> 01:00:39.010 is set up. She is this awesome queen. She is 01:00:39.010 --> 01:00:42.050 amazing senator. She is making things happen. 01:00:43.050 --> 01:00:45.530 She's fighting for what is right. She's fighting 01:00:45.530 --> 01:00:48.690 for the Republic. Even when she is questioning 01:00:48.690 --> 01:00:52.570 the Republic in general, she is still very attuned 01:00:52.570 --> 01:00:57.630 to what is good and correct and lawful and all 01:00:57.630 --> 01:01:01.489 of those things. And just because of a boy, she 01:01:01.489 --> 01:01:05.110 decides that she's done. She dies of a broken 01:01:05.110 --> 01:01:10.489 heart. And it just bothers me so much because 01:01:10.489 --> 01:01:13.329 there is so much potential. She could have been 01:01:13.329 --> 01:01:17.349 essentially the first Leia. We see that Leia 01:01:17.349 --> 01:01:20.829 comes from Bail's upbringing of her and all of 01:01:20.829 --> 01:01:25.250 that. But Bail and Padme were very, very close 01:01:25.250 --> 01:01:29.489 in the Senate and were very aligned most times. 01:01:29.690 --> 01:01:32.269 We're on the same committees. We're on the same 01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.480 side fighting for the same things almost all 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.019 the time. So it's essentially kind of like the 01:01:38.019 --> 01:01:41.860 same type of person raising her. And it bothers 01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:47.539 me because Padme, if Padme lives instead, they 01:01:47.539 --> 01:01:50.219 still can make Vader think that she's dead. She's 01:01:50.219 --> 01:01:52.539 somebody else, whatever, whatever. We have seen 01:01:52.539 --> 01:01:54.699 that she can disappear into a crowd of other 01:01:54.699 --> 01:01:58.380 women and nobody's any the wiser. Now, whether 01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:00.380 she can actually disappear from Vader, question, 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:03.349 question, question. But She had the potential 01:02:03.349 --> 01:02:07.010 to be this absolutely fascinating character who 01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:10.769 could have at least lived long enough for Leia's, 01:02:10.789 --> 01:02:13.550 I still have memories of my mother, sentence 01:02:13.550 --> 01:02:17.130 to make sense. And then she could have died later 01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:21.150 on in this, you know, next however many years 01:02:21.150 --> 01:02:25.789 it is, 20 years, 23 years, I think. Sometime 01:02:25.789 --> 01:02:29.030 during these 23 years, she could have then died. 01:02:29.389 --> 01:02:32.420 And she... could have gone out in spectacular 01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:36.360 fashion, fighting for what is right. And it really 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:40.059 grinds my gears that we don't get that. I think 01:02:40.059 --> 01:02:42.139 it's the whole what if, though. Because if she 01:02:42.139 --> 01:02:45.480 didn't die, like, then would Luke, would he have 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.820 gone to Tatooine with his aunt, like, aunt -uncle? 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:49.820 Would Leia have gone with Belle? Like, there's 01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:52.440 so many, like, what ifs. I think, like, if she 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.260 had to die in that moment, which I think for 01:02:54.260 --> 01:02:56.530 the story she did, but, like... We could have, 01:02:56.550 --> 01:02:58.510 like, she was in childbirth, right? Like, we 01:02:58.510 --> 01:03:01.150 could have come up with a more maybe medically 01:03:01.150 --> 01:03:03.889 driven reason why she didn't. I mean, she had 01:03:03.889 --> 01:03:05.050 just been force choked. Hey, her larynx has been 01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:07.329 crushed. Right. She had just been force choked. 01:03:07.389 --> 01:03:10.269 Maybe there was oxygen deprivation. There's so 01:03:10.269 --> 01:03:13.170 many things. She's brain dead. Right. She lost 01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:15.269 the will to live. Like, it's just like she's 01:03:15.269 --> 01:03:18.150 so much stronger than that as a character to 01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:21.420 just be like, my boy turned on me. It's like 01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:24.679 a really weird detriment to her motherhood as 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.559 well. That her love for her children does not 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.940 outweigh the loss of her heart for her husband. 01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:33.639 I'm like, oh, so she can lose the will to live, 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.480 but she can't keep it to stick around for her 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.860 kids? That seems like not a great signal about 01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:42.159 who she is as a person to me. Additionally, I... 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:44.760 This is a retcon. I think everyone can agree 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.579 to that. This is a retcon from Return of the 01:03:46.579 --> 01:03:49.119 Jedi. And some people will say, oh, but Force 01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.559 memories, and Leia has the Force, so maybe she 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.559 did remember her mom, and it's like... Okay, 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.199 but then I have a bridge to sell you, too, because 01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:57.099 if we're going to go down the line of, like, 01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.440 magical theory and how does the Force work, and 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.159 if you're going to turn this argument into the 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.440 mumbo -jumbo of, like, well, but the Force works 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.300 in mysterious ways, then we can't actually have 01:04:06.300 --> 01:04:10.619 a debate about this. Like, Leia says she has 01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:13.059 memories of her mom. Her mom is sad when Leia's 01:04:13.059 --> 01:04:17.070 alive. Okay, fine. But don't give me this argument 01:04:17.070 --> 01:04:19.750 of, like, it's not a retcon. This is a retcon. 01:04:19.929 --> 01:04:22.889 We were made to believe that Leia knew Mom for 01:04:22.889 --> 01:04:25.110 a little bit before she was adopted by Bail. 01:04:25.349 --> 01:04:28.269 Yeah. And that's just simply not true. Mm -hmm. 01:04:28.369 --> 01:04:33.530 Yeah. So moving to the good, the great, the amazing. 01:04:34.230 --> 01:04:38.409 Duel of the Fates coming back, the fight on Mustafar, 01:04:38.789 --> 01:04:42.639 10 out of 10 no notes. Yeah. Can some of the 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.380 dialogue maybe be a little stilted? It doesn't 01:04:45.380 --> 01:04:47.199 matter. It doesn't matter, though. It doesn't 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:48.699 matter. Exactly. That's the point. It works in 01:04:48.699 --> 01:04:51.340 that scene. Yeah. Exactly. It works in everything 01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:55.300 about Mustafar works. From his hunting down of 01:04:55.300 --> 01:04:57.639 the banking clan and the trade federation in 01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.739 the moment that we get of Anakin savoring killing 01:04:59.739 --> 01:05:03.400 Newt Gunray. All of that. So good. Works incredibly. 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:07.420 Obi -Wan showing up. The fan videos where they 01:05:07.420 --> 01:05:09.420 play sexy back every time Obi -Wan's shown in 01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:11.059 the background. They love that so much. Incredible. 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.800 Should be in the movie. I will say there's one 01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:16.340 thing that I don't like about the Mustafar thing, 01:05:16.460 --> 01:05:18.460 and it's Hayden Christensen's line reading of, 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.260 I'm now up in this register for all of my lines. 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:26.039 And I just like, I, for whatever reason, I'm 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:33.500 like, I'm out. I need gravitas, not helium. That's 01:05:33.500 --> 01:05:36.900 his Vader voice. What do you mean? James Earl 01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:42.579 Jones could never. I think even that, though, 01:05:42.579 --> 01:05:46.619 works because he's still so overcome with emotion. 01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.360 I understand the choice, certainly. Which really 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:52.340 messes with your voice. So I think, in general, 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.860 yeah. I mean, like I said, 10 out of 10. Yeah. 01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.139 The whole sequence. And the fact that they, like, 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.340 this is not even headcanon. This has come from 01:06:01.340 --> 01:06:03.340 the creators. The fact that Obi -Wan and Anakin 01:06:03.340 --> 01:06:05.440 know each other so well that that's why some 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.039 of their moves aren't even missing because they're 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:11.400 countering each other in their head is just remarkable. 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:14.039 And the behind the scenes of Ewan McGregor and 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:16.780 Hayden Christensen rehearsing this are incredible. 01:06:17.019 --> 01:06:21.699 They are so intense. And it really shows in the 01:06:21.699 --> 01:06:26.139 act itself. It's incredible. Yes. So fantastic. 01:06:27.460 --> 01:06:30.579 Moving to my last little point, the amusing. 01:06:31.420 --> 01:06:35.239 Until the time is right, disappear we will. Except 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:40.400 you, Bale. You just keep doing you. The very 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.820 last – sorry, do you want to elaborate on that, 01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:45.159 Sierra? Are you good there? I think that's fine. 01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:47.119 The very last thing I'll say about this entire 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:51.739 movie is Ewan McGregor shares this wonderful 01:06:51.739 --> 01:06:53.780 story about what it's like when he drops off 01:06:53.780 --> 01:06:58.300 Luke to – Owen. So he, he has this whole like 01:06:58.300 --> 01:07:00.300 sort of almost standup bit that he rehearses 01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:02.260 for, for talk shows and everything where he's 01:07:02.260 --> 01:07:04.559 like, yeah, you know, those movies could be really 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:06.380 confusing because everything was just like blue. 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.179 And so he would come over to you and he'd be 01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:11.920 like, this is an alien camel. You're going to 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.019 sit on it. And so he'd go over and he'd sit on 01:07:14.019 --> 01:07:15.739 the camel and be like, no, you're on backwards. 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.440 And it's just a rectangle. Like he doesn't know 01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:20.320 which way is forward. He gets back on it and 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.860 they're like, okay, now walk. And he's like, 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:23.260 What do you mean walking? He's like, pretend 01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:25.420 like you're moving. He's like, okay, I can pretend. 01:07:25.539 --> 01:07:27.300 And you got a baby in your hand. Okay, I'll pretend 01:07:27.300 --> 01:07:29.900 the baby's in my hand. And that's all the direction 01:07:29.900 --> 01:07:33.119 he's getting, right? And so he's like, has no 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:34.960 idea what's going on. And he knows that Uncle 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:38.320 Owen and Aunt Beru are over there. And so he's 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.579 supposed to give the baby to them. And then he 01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:43.539 goes back and he's supposed to sit on the camel. 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.340 And he sits on the camel. They're like, no, you're 01:07:45.340 --> 01:07:48.480 sitting on it backwards. But that's like a production 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.280 assistant says that to him. So he's about to 01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:52.340 change when George just starts shouting at him. 01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:55.280 And now he forgets that it's suns he's supposed 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.760 to be looking at. But he goes, look at the moons. 01:07:58.260 --> 01:08:00.860 Look at the moons. And he's like, where are they? 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:04.539 I don't know where they are. You haven't told 01:08:04.539 --> 01:08:09.219 me where these moons are. Oh, just looking up 01:08:09.219 --> 01:08:14.340 wildly to try. Just George Lucas shouting across 01:08:14.340 --> 01:08:17.640 the side. Look at the moon. Yeah. You know, George 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.579 and his little bit lack of direction. Yeah, absolutely. 01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:26.199 It's great. Well, I know we all just lost a hand 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.539 and some legs and we've burned some flesh, but 01:08:28.539 --> 01:08:31.180 it's time to listen up with the ears that we 01:08:31.180 --> 01:08:34.539 still have. It's the I am your father category 01:08:34.539 --> 01:08:38.760 for most iconic. character moment and most important 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.140 character moment of this film. Okay. So I've 01:08:41.140 --> 01:08:43.439 got for most iconic, I have one honorable mention. 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.479 I think that it is pretty iconic that when Yoda 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.079 enters Palpatine's office, which like, apparently 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.079 he has an office and it's just right at the bottom 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.140 of the Senate floor, uh, where he like does paperwork. 01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:59.359 What paperwork are you doing, bud? Uh, that Yoda 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.039 enters and he just like smashes the Royal guards 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:07.079 behind him. That's an iconic Yoda moment. I think 01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:10.220 the most iconic scene of the whole movie is Master 01:09:10.220 --> 01:09:12.239 Anakin. There are too many of them. What do we 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:18.159 do? Fade to black. Yeah, for real. No, no disagreements. 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.760 100 % all agreed. Most iconic. I agree. I did 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:24.159 also add Obi -Wan's like I have the high ground 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:27.380 because I think that. Obviously, that line has 01:09:27.380 --> 01:09:29.699 become pretty iconic. I think it's also like, 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.600 literally, he has the high ground, but also morally, 01:09:32.819 --> 01:09:34.899 he also has the high ground there. You know, 01:09:34.899 --> 01:09:37.279 double entendre. Yeah, we talked about, you know, 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.619 he still like refuses to kill Anakin. Coupled 01:09:40.619 --> 01:09:42.300 with this, you know, the whole you were my brother, 01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:45.180 Anakin, especially as a Clone Wars fan, that 01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:49.680 line really hits me even more. So that's the 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:52.079 first thing I thought of. Yeah, actually, that's 01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:55.949 I would I would caveat caveat. I would, I would 01:09:55.949 --> 01:09:59.829 say that's it for sure. More than killing. Most 01:09:59.829 --> 01:10:03.670 important character moment. I have Anakin choking 01:10:03.670 --> 01:10:08.289 Padme. That was mine too. Yeah. It's the moment. 01:10:08.369 --> 01:10:10.090 It's the moment that I actually believe that 01:10:10.090 --> 01:10:12.729 he's Vader because this whole movie has been, 01:10:12.770 --> 01:10:14.350 and his whole arc of his has been, I'm going 01:10:14.350 --> 01:10:16.350 to save the woman in my life that I care most 01:10:16.350 --> 01:10:20.189 about. And now he is literally doing the opposite. 01:10:20.409 --> 01:10:23.210 This is literally Padme's life that he is now 01:10:23.210 --> 01:10:25.329 threatening. This is the opposite of what he's 01:10:25.329 --> 01:10:26.789 been apparently wanting to do the whole time. 01:10:27.170 --> 01:10:30.229 This is, I think to me, like. Obviously, a lot 01:10:30.229 --> 01:10:31.989 of things have happened leading up to this moment 01:10:31.989 --> 01:10:34.689 that are very like sithy and dark side. He's 01:10:34.689 --> 01:10:37.289 obviously murdered a lot of people. But I think 01:10:37.289 --> 01:10:40.329 that this one act. Yeah, children, the younglings. 01:10:40.909 --> 01:10:44.229 I can't unsee the memes about killing younglings. 01:10:44.229 --> 01:10:46.630 And it's, you know, younglings, alcoholic beverage. 01:10:47.250 --> 01:10:50.970 But I just can't unsee that now. But I think 01:10:50.970 --> 01:10:54.850 this one act just really symbolizes. That he 01:10:54.850 --> 01:10:57.289 is truly lost and he is fully descended. Because 01:10:57.289 --> 01:10:59.850 yeah, to your point, the whole reason he descended 01:10:59.850 --> 01:11:02.289 to this point was because of her and fear of 01:11:02.289 --> 01:11:04.390 losing her. And now he's doing literally a thing 01:11:04.390 --> 01:11:06.949 that could cause him to just lose her. Totally. 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:09.800 And he also doesn't have a he doesn't have like 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:11.720 an immediate reaction. Right. Like I think of 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.220 like when he goes to Mustafar originally and 01:11:14.220 --> 01:11:16.239 kills all the separatists, we get that really 01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.279 great scene of him after like kind of like crying 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:22.000 and having some tears. And I think it still shows 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.560 he's conflicted. Absolutely. He doesn't have 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.600 that reaction after watching Padme fall to the 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:29.800 ground. He's just, you know, there's nothing 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:34.479 there until much later on when he asks Palpatine, 01:11:34.619 --> 01:11:38.399 like, where's Padme? Yeah. Absolutely. Agreed, 01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:42.800 agreed. Everybody sit down. It's time for our 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:47.560 I am Iron Man. Most iconic and most important 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:53.079 scene category. Mustafar fight. Yeah. I mean. 01:11:53.699 --> 01:11:58.460 Easy pick, done. Easy pick. As a bonus, though, 01:11:58.579 --> 01:12:01.920 we are reaching into the archives to find that 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.819 Kamino isn't there. It's our Jack Sparrow did 01:12:04.819 --> 01:12:09.909 what? for not quite deleted scenes that make 01:12:09.909 --> 01:12:12.409 an impact on the story, but an alternate ending 01:12:12.409 --> 01:12:15.130 for the Mustafar fight that could have been. 01:12:15.829 --> 01:12:21.689 In my research, I stumbled across an interview 01:12:21.689 --> 01:12:25.869 with Nick Gillard, the stunt coordinator for 01:12:25.869 --> 01:12:29.229 the prequels, who revealed in an interview on 01:12:29.229 --> 01:12:34.310 Star Wars Theory's YouTube channel that Obi -Wan 01:12:34.310 --> 01:12:38.310 cutting off Anakin's limbs was almost choreographed 01:12:38.310 --> 01:12:41.670 as an accident. That instead of him actually 01:12:41.670 --> 01:12:45.130 cutting Anakin down and then picking up the lightsaber 01:12:45.130 --> 01:12:48.489 and leaving him there, that it was supposed to 01:12:48.489 --> 01:12:53.029 be an accident. The quote is, originally, they 01:12:53.029 --> 01:12:56.390 swung off that great big rope and landed on the 01:12:56.390 --> 01:12:58.350 side of the volcano on the lava right next to 01:12:58.350 --> 01:13:01.590 each other. And then straight away, Anakin disarmed 01:13:01.590 --> 01:13:05.510 him, Kenobi. Grabbed him by the throat. He has 01:13:05.510 --> 01:13:07.810 got him. And Obi's lightsaber is down on the 01:13:07.810 --> 01:13:10.710 ground. And Anakin says, I'm sorry it has to 01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:13.729 be this way, my master. And lets the lightsaber 01:13:13.729 --> 01:13:17.710 go. Obi -Wan hunches to get away from it. Tucks 01:13:17.710 --> 01:13:20.949 his saber up and blocks it. And as he's pulling 01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:24.210 his saber up, cuts through Anakin's arms almost 01:13:24.210 --> 01:13:27.250 by mistake. And then chops through his legs almost 01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:31.779 by mistake. The whole body. falls off its legs, 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:35.340 and it was more of a defense gone wrong. Gillard 01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:40.060 continues. So this turns everything from him 01:13:40.060 --> 01:13:44.760 purposefully cutting Anakin down into an accident 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:49.800 that would have caused Obi -Wan to feel this 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.359 amazing amount of guilt for what he has done. 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:57.279 And it's very, very interesting. I guess he also 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.890 goes on to explain that Hayden and Ewan, Went 01:14:00.890 --> 01:14:03.449 to George Lucas and were like, George, we should 01:14:03.449 --> 01:14:07.489 do this. But George ended up preferring the other 01:14:07.489 --> 01:14:10.430 version that we got. And therefore, this was 01:14:10.430 --> 01:14:13.050 not to be. But I think that is fascinating. It 01:14:13.050 --> 01:14:15.170 could have been very, very interesting to have 01:14:15.170 --> 01:14:18.029 that sequence instead. I got to say, that's the 01:14:18.029 --> 01:14:19.550 first time that I've heard that information ever. 01:14:19.869 --> 01:14:24.850 So well researched. But man, I prefer that version. 01:14:24.949 --> 01:14:30.430 I prefer this broken hearted. Oh, no, I've. i've 01:14:30.430 --> 01:14:34.170 hurt you version then then obi sort of and now 01:14:34.170 --> 01:14:36.649 it is interesting because obi -wan in in a new 01:14:36.649 --> 01:14:38.390 hope is a little bit more cold -blooded about 01:14:38.390 --> 01:14:40.670 darth vader and he's very much sort of had it 01:14:40.670 --> 01:14:42.529 feels like he's spent the last 20 years justifying 01:14:42.529 --> 01:14:46.949 why darth vader should die but this is this is 01:14:46.949 --> 01:14:50.890 way more in the in the realm of like the brotherhood 01:14:50.890 --> 01:14:54.229 that the two of them have and what we get is 01:14:54.229 --> 01:14:57.850 yeah what we get is obi -wan being like you forced 01:14:57.850 --> 01:15:00.359 me to do this which is kind of what Anakin was 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:02.260 saying earlier. And I do like that juxtaposition 01:15:02.260 --> 01:15:04.640 in what we actually have is him being like, Oh, 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:06.939 come on, man. Like you made me do this. Why did 01:15:06.939 --> 01:15:09.579 you make me do this? But man, that idea of like, 01:15:09.659 --> 01:15:12.960 Oh no permit, like this is permanent damage that 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.520 I've done is, Oh, I kind of wish it'd been the 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:21.420 other way. It's very interesting going into interviews, 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:25.100 finding interviews with, with Nick Gillard, because 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.000 And obviously, as the stunt coordinator, he has 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.159 so many different versions of everything. And 01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:36.479 even in the version that we get, he had designed 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:38.720 the fight so that Obi -Wan is not actually trying 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:41.359 to kill Anakin. He's just trying to wear Anakin 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.619 down. He still thinks that he can save him. He 01:15:44.619 --> 01:15:46.380 still thinks that he can talk sense into him. 01:15:46.460 --> 01:15:49.680 And he's just trying to wear him down. And he 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:53.060 says in this other quote from a different article 01:15:53.060 --> 01:15:55.920 that... He wrote the fight, I did write the fight 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:58.239 choreography like a husband and wife having a 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:02.100 fight. Anakin thinks Obi is maybe having an affair 01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:04.140 with Padme at this point, so he's already gone 01:16:04.140 --> 01:16:06.359 to the dark side. For Obi, it's just about trying 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.840 to absorb it long enough that he can get it back. 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:13.739 Yeah. Which already, I mean, is still so emotionally 01:16:13.739 --> 01:16:19.119 impactful and really comes across because, you 01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:21.220 know, Obi -Wan is still yelling at Anakin to 01:16:21.220 --> 01:16:24.960 try to... knock some sort of sense into him and 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:26.640 you can see that he's not really going for the 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:29.220 killing blow and obviously he's not gonna kill 01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:31.239 him you know and i think it's very clear that 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.899 even if he thinks he should because he said he 01:16:34.899 --> 01:16:37.779 just can't do it so i think i i think the way 01:16:37.779 --> 01:16:39.659 that the scene i actually agree that i kind of 01:16:39.659 --> 01:16:42.140 wish it happened the way that you had mentioned 01:16:42.140 --> 01:16:44.840 but i think the way that it happens to can still 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:48.039 be interpreted in a way um yeah you know and 01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:49.979 i think especially like you know jumping forward 01:16:49.979 --> 01:16:52.279 to like the obi -wan series and we get like that 01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:58.039 really great um conversation between him it's 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.039 okay i was just gonna say the like with obi -wan 01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:03.159 like you know saying to him like you know i have 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.300 failed you and i think like also if they had 01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:08.460 done that scene and portrayed it in this very 01:17:08.460 --> 01:17:12.739 accidental way that scene would even be, like, 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:16.159 have added layers to it more than it already 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:19.210 does. But I still think that it, like... I think 01:17:19.210 --> 01:17:21.869 in a way it almost does read still a little bit 01:17:21.869 --> 01:17:23.850 like I think you could interpret it as it being 01:17:23.850 --> 01:17:26.149 a little bit of an accident. Like I think Obi 01:17:26.149 --> 01:17:28.989 -Wan was trying to like maim him, but maybe not 01:17:28.989 --> 01:17:31.050 maim him as bad. And I think about like right 01:17:31.050 --> 01:17:33.630 when he then catches on fire and Obi -Wan like 01:17:33.630 --> 01:17:36.029 grimaces and like looks away like, wow, I did 01:17:36.029 --> 01:17:39.430 not mean for this to escalate to this. So it's 01:17:39.430 --> 01:17:41.630 almost I feel like I could argue that they maybe 01:17:41.630 --> 01:17:44.430 kept that a little bit in there, just maybe not 01:17:44.430 --> 01:17:48.670 as. The essence of Obi -Wan still regretting 01:17:48.670 --> 01:17:50.550 everything, I think, is right there. I think 01:17:50.550 --> 01:17:53.550 it's perfectly in that mode. I think it's really 01:17:53.550 --> 01:17:55.630 strange because he doesn't even put him out of 01:17:55.630 --> 01:17:57.890 his misery. So he's like, all right, so you're 01:17:57.890 --> 01:17:59.550 going to die. I'm just going to have to leave. 01:17:59.569 --> 01:18:01.409 I can't watch this anymore. And then, of course, 01:18:01.449 --> 01:18:03.010 he doesn't die. And then Palpatine shows up and 01:18:03.010 --> 01:18:07.010 he's like, oh, my God, he's still alive. Yeah, 01:18:07.010 --> 01:18:08.550 it would have been. He just couldn't kill him. 01:18:12.649 --> 01:18:14.409 You're just going to kill him. So it was worse. 01:18:14.529 --> 01:18:17.369 It was worse in the end. He literally tells Yoda, 01:18:17.550 --> 01:18:20.350 you have to send me to kill Palpatine. I will 01:18:20.350 --> 01:18:22.270 not kill Anakin. And Yoda's like, now you got 01:18:22.270 --> 01:18:24.149 to go. And then he doesn't kill him. And Yoda's 01:18:24.149 --> 01:18:28.189 like, what happened? He's like, I told you. I 01:18:28.189 --> 01:18:31.050 told you exactly what would happen. God, I feel 01:18:31.050 --> 01:18:33.409 like Dooku. I told you everything and you've 01:18:33.409 --> 01:18:37.109 done nothing about it. Obi -Wan is nothing if 01:18:37.109 --> 01:18:41.489 not a man of his word. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. 01:18:42.470 --> 01:18:45.109 Crack open an encyclopedia, it's time for, as 01:18:45.109 --> 01:18:48.189 Elijah Wood once said, no, how could we have 01:18:48.189 --> 01:18:51.029 known category, where we discuss the most important 01:18:51.029 --> 01:18:53.350 information disseminated to the fandom in this 01:18:53.350 --> 01:18:56.270 movie. Okay, beyond the obvious, this is how 01:18:56.270 --> 01:19:00.649 Anakin becomes Vader, we've got this information, 01:19:00.649 --> 01:19:04.130 which was new to the fandom. Communing with Force 01:19:04.130 --> 01:19:10.920 ghosts is like a super new thing, or... uh when 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:14.199 luke speaks to like obi -wan in a new hope it's 01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:16.380 like this power has been around for like 20 years 01:19:16.380 --> 01:19:19.140 bud that's it in the history of the force it's 01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:21.800 either been rediscovered because yoda just forgot 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.340 everything from when he was a padawan or qui 01:19:25.340 --> 01:19:27.279 -gon is literally the first person to figure 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:30.220 this out it just happens to be a cool thing that 01:19:30.220 --> 01:19:32.180 luke can then utilize when he blows up the death 01:19:32.180 --> 01:19:34.550 star but That was new, the fact that, like, people 01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:36.949 don't commune with old Jedis. And, hey, Yoda, 01:19:37.069 --> 01:19:38.770 by the way, I figured out how to talk to Qui 01:19:38.770 --> 01:19:41.350 -Gon, and I'm going to teach you this. And then 01:19:41.350 --> 01:19:43.149 we get, you know, that's part of Obi -Wan's show. 01:19:43.310 --> 01:19:45.189 But I thought that was fascinating. That was 01:19:45.189 --> 01:19:48.970 really new information for everybody. Yep. Time 01:19:48.970 --> 01:19:52.010 to keep your horses safe. It's the, I'm going 01:19:52.010 --> 01:19:55.069 to make him an offer he can't refuse, category 01:19:55.069 --> 01:20:01.350 of best lines. As we have said, the lines are 01:20:01.350 --> 01:20:04.270 not. necessarily the highlight of this film it 01:20:04.270 --> 01:20:07.229 is the visuals and the story the visual storytelling 01:20:07.229 --> 01:20:10.909 that we get however there are a few you are my 01:20:10.909 --> 01:20:14.630 brother anakin classic it's a great one no nuts 01:20:14.630 --> 01:20:17.850 really really conveys everything that needs to 01:20:17.850 --> 01:20:20.930 be said in that moment potentially the most iconic 01:20:20.930 --> 01:20:23.409 maybe not the best but the most iconic i have 01:20:23.409 --> 01:20:26.569 the high ground which has another funny story 01:20:26.569 --> 01:20:30.649 from nick gillard associated with it fun facts 01:20:30.649 --> 01:20:34.199 guys So apparently, when they were doing production 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.220 on Revenge of the Sith, Hayden Christensen and 01:20:37.220 --> 01:20:39.039 Nick Gillard lived right next to each other. 01:20:39.060 --> 01:20:41.800 And they would often eat in this restaurant almost 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.579 like every night, he says, that was up a hill. 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:47.319 And you could either walk up the road and down 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.600 to the restaurant or you could walk across a 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:53.779 steep bank to it. And Gillard always wanted the 01:20:53.779 --> 01:20:57.279 direct route. So he was going to go up the steep 01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.189 hill. to have the high ground to get to this 01:21:00.189 --> 01:21:03.250 restaurant. And Hayden always hated walking on 01:21:03.250 --> 01:21:07.010 the slope. And so in his mind, Nick Gillard's 01:21:07.010 --> 01:21:09.510 mind, that was about the higher ground. And if 01:21:09.510 --> 01:21:12.250 he can get Anakin on the slope, then Obi -Wan 01:21:12.250 --> 01:21:16.510 might have a chance. I love this. That's amazing. 01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:19.609 I will also give a little bit of a Nick Gillard 01:21:19.609 --> 01:21:22.409 story. So Nick Gillard, for the Chancellor Palpatine 01:21:22.409 --> 01:21:26.680 fight, choreographed this, like, hugely intense 01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:30.479 like all the Jedi are fighting a bunch and Palpatine 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.979 picks them off one by one and then him and Mace 01:21:32.979 --> 01:21:35.340 are going at each other and they were just going 01:21:35.340 --> 01:21:38.579 to digitally impose Ian McDermott's face and 01:21:38.579 --> 01:21:41.199 Samuel L. Jackson's face on the actors that were 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.319 doing it like they did with Dooku in Attack of 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:46.659 the Clones George Lucas is the one who decides 01:21:47.420 --> 01:21:51.460 no i i really want these two actors in it so 01:21:51.460 --> 01:21:53.239 i don't we don't have to do we can do these big 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:56.100 long shots and we can do this fight which i'm 01:21:56.100 --> 01:21:58.140 like part of me is like i prefer bigger longer 01:21:58.140 --> 01:22:01.159 shots in choreographed fighting sequences at 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:04.760 the same time the fight's a little lame like 01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:07.800 it's they do he does this awesome spin which 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.960 is from the original choreography and then it's 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.720 just hold on i'm not telegraphing at all that 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:15.859 i'm gonna stab you in the stomach buddy yeah 01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:19.039 Just like, oh, down one Jedi, down another Jedi. 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:21.039 Kit Fissile lasts for three minutes and then 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:24.079 they have their fight. So I, you know, not, that 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:26.260 was a George Lucas decision, not a Nick Gillard 01:22:26.260 --> 01:22:29.600 decision. The two lines that I have, this is 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.100 Obi -Wan Kenobi. The Chancellor is behind everything, 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.460 including the war. Yeah, yeah, dude. The war 01:22:35.460 --> 01:22:39.340 is everything. Like, lest we not forget. Thank 01:22:39.340 --> 01:22:42.119 you for that information. I laugh at that line 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:46.470 every time. And, uh... a personal favorite from 01:22:46.470 --> 01:22:49.050 my point of view, the Jedi are evil, which is 01:22:49.050 --> 01:22:51.149 something that my wife and I say quite literally 01:22:51.149 --> 01:22:52.949 anytime we'll mumble it to each other. If anybody 01:22:52.949 --> 01:22:54.770 else has said from my point of view, and then 01:22:54.770 --> 01:22:57.409 we go from my point of view, the Jedi are evil. 01:23:00.989 --> 01:23:05.229 Well, I had from my girl Padme. So this is how 01:23:05.229 --> 01:23:09.029 Liberty dies with thunderous applause. Yes. I'm 01:23:09.029 --> 01:23:10.729 so glad you remembered that. That is a great 01:23:10.729 --> 01:23:16.300 line. So good. As she's sitting next to Bale. 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:21.420 Yeah. Her bestie. Besties. Yeah. If anybody's 01:23:21.420 --> 01:23:23.340 having an affair with Padme, it's Bale. It's 01:23:23.340 --> 01:23:27.640 Bale. If he didn't love his wife so much. Yes. 01:23:28.100 --> 01:23:31.659 And also, like, this is such a pun, but, like, 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:34.619 people will bail on their marriage for Bale. 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:41.340 Yay! Okay, cut all of that. Okay. Time to board 01:23:41.340 --> 01:23:43.659 the TARDIS. It's time to explore what ifs with 01:23:43.659 --> 01:23:47.000 our get out category. What is the biggest what 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.779 if provided by this movie? Only one per person 01:23:49.779 --> 01:23:54.380 do we allow ourselves. Okay. What if Dooku explained 01:23:54.380 --> 01:23:58.340 everything to Anakin and Obi -Wan instead of 01:23:58.340 --> 01:24:00.840 accepting his fate of death? What if he went, 01:24:00.939 --> 01:24:03.020 wait, wait, wait, that guy, that guy's my master. 01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:06.619 The guy right there, don't kill me. He's the 01:24:06.619 --> 01:24:12.420 one in charge. I mean. Not maybe like that. He 01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:14.380 had nothing to lose. He should have just said 01:24:14.380 --> 01:24:17.060 it. He has nothing to lose. You're right. He 01:24:17.060 --> 01:24:19.779 has absolutely nothing to lose. Now, I know that 01:24:19.779 --> 01:24:22.579 he has already tried to tell Obi -Wan previously, 01:24:22.699 --> 01:24:26.340 and obviously Obi -Wan didn't take him at his 01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:31.420 word. However, I feel like repetition can't hurt 01:24:31.420 --> 01:24:35.880 at this point. Just continue trying to explain 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:38.319 exactly what's going on. And they've been looking 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:42.170 for... This information from Dooku, who is your 01:24:42.170 --> 01:24:46.010 master, if he just goes, yeah, it's him. Yeah. 01:24:46.069 --> 01:24:51.029 They would at least pause. I think the Dooku, 01:24:51.289 --> 01:24:54.829 even though the chin is exactly the same, doesn't 01:24:54.829 --> 01:24:56.550 actually know that the Chancellor is his master. 01:24:56.850 --> 01:24:59.689 I think in this moment he does. You think he's 01:24:59.689 --> 01:25:01.689 aware? He's like, that guy. I think he's very 01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:05.130 much aware in this, at least by now. He is very 01:25:05.130 --> 01:25:07.909 much aware that it is the same person. And the 01:25:07.909 --> 01:25:11.670 reason that I say this is not anything plot -wise. 01:25:11.890 --> 01:25:16.670 It is purely based on the acting in the scene. 01:25:17.050 --> 01:25:21.609 Because when they're questioning him, he looks 01:25:21.609 --> 01:25:25.550 at Palpatine. Yeah. To be like, you're gonna 01:25:25.550 --> 01:25:29.460 just let him kill me? Oh, that's the plan. You 01:25:29.460 --> 01:25:32.920 just told him to kill me? Wait a second. Okay. 01:25:32.979 --> 01:25:35.779 Hold on a minute. Like, you can see him process 01:25:35.779 --> 01:25:40.880 that this was the plan all along. And so I think 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:44.140 definitely by this point he knows. Yeah, I... 01:25:44.140 --> 01:25:48.119 Everything changes. I think that's what... The 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:49.720 problem with the what -ifs, right, is like... 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:52.779 Either not enough changes. Either not enough 01:25:52.779 --> 01:25:55.020 changes or everything changes. And like, you 01:25:55.020 --> 01:25:58.079 know, there's reasons why... Marvel has what 01:25:58.079 --> 01:25:59.899 if episodes like we get to do a whole podcast 01:25:59.899 --> 01:26:03.420 episode about what if I think in general, what 01:26:03.420 --> 01:26:07.680 occurs is Palpatine kills Obi -Wan and has a 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.460 fight with Anakin and Obi -Wan dies. And then 01:26:10.460 --> 01:26:12.880 Anakin is on the side of the Jedi and the war 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:17.039 goes on for much longer. Interesting. Yeah. I 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.579 posed the what if I didn't have an answer. That's, 01:26:19.579 --> 01:26:21.399 that's my only thing is I don't think Obi -Wan 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.659 survives that encounter. If that occurs. I think 01:26:24.659 --> 01:26:27.430 I would agree. Yeah. At least with that part. 01:26:27.609 --> 01:26:29.489 Because remember, Yoda even says, and as much 01:26:29.489 --> 01:26:31.310 as we don't trust Yoda, Yoda has a good judge 01:26:31.310 --> 01:26:34.390 of abilities. He says you're not strong enough 01:26:34.390 --> 01:26:39.449 to face this. It's true. So. Although maybe Dooku 01:26:39.449 --> 01:26:43.890 plus Obi plus Anakin might equal Shreve's downfall. 01:26:44.409 --> 01:26:47.529 Potentially. Maybe smokes out the faux poutine. 01:26:48.470 --> 01:26:53.159 Maybe. I love that. I have a joking what if that 01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:55.760 we're not going to actually answer because it's 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.159 not really one, so I'm not going to count it. 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:01.079 But what if literally any member of the Senate 01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:04.260 happened to be in the Senate session room with 01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:10.760 Yoda and Palpatine's fight? Because at this point, 01:27:10.779 --> 01:27:12.760 it's already a galactic empire. So he's already 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.220 the emperor. And so they're just thinking that 01:27:15.220 --> 01:27:18.359 this is a Jedi assassin. It's not actually going 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:20.239 to do anything different. But it would be funny 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:22.479 if, like, Binx was just there and Yoda was like, 01:27:22.619 --> 01:27:27.939 I'll kill him now. I'm just thinking, like, they 01:27:27.939 --> 01:27:32.079 have this entire room, this cavernous area. Just 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:33.579 one guy kind of, like, poking out from his pod. 01:27:33.579 --> 01:27:36.060 Was hanging out after the last meeting. Oops. 01:27:36.500 --> 01:27:39.319 Fell asleep. Could you fill out these requisition 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:43.060 forms? I'm so sorry. Hung out after the last 01:27:43.060 --> 01:27:45.359 meeting in their little pod and then just, like, 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.409 creeped up, like, what is going on? Yeah. Hey, 01:27:48.449 --> 01:27:50.590 Jabba was sending an invoice. I just, I need 01:27:50.590 --> 01:27:54.550 you to sign this. That's funny. My what if is, 01:27:54.850 --> 01:27:58.130 what if Obi -Wan actually does the right thing 01:27:58.130 --> 01:28:01.050 and puts Anakin out of his misery? Like, how 01:28:01.050 --> 01:28:04.829 quickly does the Empire fall? Does, like, what 01:28:04.829 --> 01:28:07.710 happens? What occurs after that? Anakin's dead. 01:28:07.770 --> 01:28:09.930 There's no Vader. But there's still Palpatine. 01:28:10.210 --> 01:28:13.689 Yeah. I think it's so difficult to answer that 01:28:13.689 --> 01:28:18.220 one because we have 20 years of... kind of unknown 01:28:18.220 --> 01:28:24.439 yeah we skip so much time there where the empire 01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:28.779 is just growing and is just taking over everything 01:28:28.779 --> 01:28:35.579 and we don't see the details of how much of that 01:28:35.579 --> 01:28:40.819 is done with vader at the helm of all of those 01:28:40.819 --> 01:28:44.869 moments obviously he is very powerful and Palpatine 01:28:44.869 --> 01:28:47.029 is sending him to essentially do all of his dirty 01:28:47.029 --> 01:28:50.670 work and all of that. But the things that he's 01:28:50.670 --> 01:28:53.189 being sent out to do could potentially someone 01:28:53.189 --> 01:28:55.850 else have accomplished them. Well, a lot of them 01:28:55.850 --> 01:28:57.890 is killing Jedi that have survived because we 01:28:57.890 --> 01:29:01.050 went from everybody in Order 66 dies to actually 01:29:01.050 --> 01:29:03.060 there's there's a lot of people who have lived. 01:29:03.659 --> 01:29:06.819 And some of that's great. So I will say to Sierra, 01:29:06.939 --> 01:29:08.779 because you've been waiting to do a lot of this 01:29:08.779 --> 01:29:11.899 stuff in, in line with everything. We do, we 01:29:11.899 --> 01:29:14.260 do have a lot of Andor that explains and the 01:29:14.260 --> 01:29:17.020 Obi -Wan show that explains in addition to, obviously 01:29:17.020 --> 01:29:19.479 we have Rogue One, but there's all of these comics 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:22.199 as well that explain a lot of like Vader's hunting 01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:25.479 down ex Jedi. Yeah. And I, I do wonder if the 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:28.100 Jedi order is reestablished under Obi -Wan and 01:29:28.100 --> 01:29:32.130 Yoda and. They then are able to take out the 01:29:32.130 --> 01:29:36.409 Empire much quicker. Potentially. Nicole, did 01:29:36.409 --> 01:29:38.710 you have a what if? I mean, I had several, but 01:29:38.710 --> 01:29:40.909 the one I'm going to bring up is because it's 01:29:40.909 --> 01:29:42.310 kind of related to what we were just talking 01:29:42.310 --> 01:29:46.590 about is like, okay, but what if Yoda had killed 01:29:46.590 --> 01:29:49.649 Palpatine? We obviously just talked about, okay, 01:29:49.689 --> 01:29:51.689 what if Anakin was out of the picture? Could 01:29:51.689 --> 01:29:55.670 things still have progressed? But what if Palpatine 01:29:55.670 --> 01:30:00.050 had gotten? So I love that because it also gets 01:30:00.050 --> 01:30:03.109 into the argument of, is Palpatine draining Padme's 01:30:03.109 --> 01:30:06.149 life force in order to put it into Anakin? And 01:30:06.149 --> 01:30:09.729 if that is what your agreement is, then Padme 01:30:09.729 --> 01:30:12.630 actually still lives. So is then Anakin savable 01:30:12.630 --> 01:30:15.229 earlier? And does this whole thing happen? Because 01:30:15.229 --> 01:30:18.729 Anakin has no governmental skills. He's not the 01:30:18.729 --> 01:30:21.890 schemer that Sheev is. No, he's just like brute 01:30:21.890 --> 01:30:25.039 force. Yeah, he's just like... I think he turns 01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:26.920 more into like some of the Sith from like the 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:29.600 KOTOR games where it's like, I'm so consumed 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:31.680 with the dark side that I literally pass by a 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:33.699 planet and drain everybody of their life force. 01:30:33.859 --> 01:30:37.899 I think Anakin becomes more of like a Sith God 01:30:37.899 --> 01:30:40.300 rather than a Sith Lord who's running things. 01:30:41.539 --> 01:30:45.880 Or if Padme's alive, then actually we get a happier 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:48.920 ending where he's still, no one actually makes 01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:53.779 Anakin face his war crimes. But. Yeah, I think 01:30:53.779 --> 01:30:56.140 that's really, really fascinating. Because I 01:30:56.140 --> 01:30:57.880 really don't think we have an organized government. 01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:02.020 No, I don't think so. Who would run it? Ah, I 01:31:02.020 --> 01:31:05.039 had an idea. Okay. We're forgetting about the 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:09.600 Maul of it all. Oh, oh yeah. Maul wants to take 01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:14.260 down Palpatine so that he can rise up. Yeah. 01:31:14.899 --> 01:31:18.000 And I think that if Palpatine is out of the picture, 01:31:18.180 --> 01:31:23.380 whether or not Anakin is... and able to raise 01:31:23.380 --> 01:31:27.520 his children in a loving family, or is still 01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:32.380 on the dark side, Maul becomes a much bigger 01:31:32.380 --> 01:31:38.319 picture villain in the main everything. And I 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:40.060 guess we'll find out a little bit more about 01:31:40.060 --> 01:31:44.039 what maybe that could look like in the Maul show. 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.000 I think Maul as Emperor would feel a lot more 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.380 like when Scar takes over and it's just like, 01:31:49.789 --> 01:31:52.710 All evil henchmen everywhere. Like, it's just 01:31:52.710 --> 01:31:54.770 the syndicates. It's just the criminal syndicates 01:31:54.770 --> 01:31:57.369 ruling everything at that point. There's no government. 01:31:57.569 --> 01:32:02.010 It's like, yeah, that's really funny. Incredible. 01:32:02.149 --> 01:32:05.590 Good question. Rip open that candy wrapper and 01:32:05.590 --> 01:32:07.770 show us your golden ticket. It's time for the 01:32:07.770 --> 01:32:11.770 Veruca Salt Award for piece of memorabilia we 01:32:11.770 --> 01:32:15.710 really, really need. I have a joke. It's a joke. 01:32:16.350 --> 01:32:22.130 With like a burned and severed Anakin limb. Kidding, 01:32:22.130 --> 01:32:26.130 kidding. For real though, I kind of want the 01:32:26.130 --> 01:32:29.529 little visor communication device thing that 01:32:29.529 --> 01:32:32.489 Obi -Wan and Anakin wear in the opening sequence 01:32:32.489 --> 01:32:36.550 when they're in their ships. I just, I think 01:32:36.550 --> 01:32:38.810 it's kind of a fun little piece of tech that 01:32:38.810 --> 01:32:43.489 we don't get before or after. And I kind of want 01:32:43.489 --> 01:32:47.899 it. I think the piece of memorabilia that I want 01:32:47.899 --> 01:32:52.319 the most is Padme's Naboo ship, which is just 01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:54.939 so cool and so stylish. And I just want to fly 01:32:54.939 --> 01:32:58.420 around in that all the time. I don't, man, I 01:32:58.420 --> 01:33:02.489 don't know. I think. I kind of want R2, because 01:33:02.489 --> 01:33:04.989 obviously Anakin doesn't need him anymore. He's 01:33:04.989 --> 01:33:07.449 abandoned him. Stay with the ship, buddy, he 01:33:07.449 --> 01:33:09.470 says. And that's why R2 never stays with the 01:33:09.470 --> 01:33:12.369 ship ever again. Ever again, because look at 01:33:12.369 --> 01:33:15.909 what happened. And so I want to adopt R2 and 01:33:15.909 --> 01:33:20.630 be a good mother to R2. To be clear, when we 01:33:20.630 --> 01:33:24.090 first did this, like, what piece of memorabilia 01:33:24.090 --> 01:33:26.770 do you want? It's always, for me, an actual working 01:33:26.770 --> 01:33:30.800 droid named R2 -D2. But I have to do something 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:32.579 different for the listeners. Although now that 01:33:32.579 --> 01:33:34.619 I'm saying that, I want one of those little lava 01:33:34.619 --> 01:33:37.619 droids that is like harvesting lava that they 01:33:37.619 --> 01:33:39.979 like hang on by their fingertips. Those poor 01:33:39.979 --> 01:33:42.600 things. I changed my answer to that. I want to 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:45.460 save them from their lava life. I feel like they're 01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:49.880 like the house elves of this universe. The floor 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:52.340 that I work on is literally lava. Can I go home? 01:33:52.779 --> 01:34:01.060 All right. Dust off that card deck and get ready 01:34:01.060 --> 01:34:04.439 to shuffle. It's our Joker category for who is 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:08.760 the MVP of this episode. Is it Obi again? I think 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.699 it's Bail Organa. Bail! Ooh! Pound for pound! 01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:18.460 Ooh! Oh, that might be it. So, pound for pound, 01:34:18.500 --> 01:34:21.880 if this is your first episode. Underrated MVP. 01:34:22.220 --> 01:34:25.140 Oh, okay. So pound for pound arguments, if you 01:34:25.140 --> 01:34:26.760 have not been with us or if you're Nicole and 01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:28.800 you're listening to us for the first time, pound 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.859 for pound is like, you know, when they're describing 01:34:31.859 --> 01:34:34.159 like basketball players or boxers and they'll 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:36.560 be like, all right, so like this guy who's seven 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:38.979 foot tall is the best, is the better player, 01:34:39.020 --> 01:34:41.819 the better career. But pound for pound, like 01:34:41.819 --> 01:34:45.859 when competing, like. Oh, so like Allen Iverson 01:34:45.859 --> 01:34:47.539 pound for pound is the best basketball player 01:34:47.539 --> 01:34:49.479 ever because he scored 30 points and he's like 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:52.420 five foot ten. Right. So we have these pound 01:34:52.420 --> 01:34:55.039 for pound arguments where it's like he's not 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:58.180 for the amount of time that he's in the movie. 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.859 His impact. Oh, and I think Bail Organa might 01:35:01.859 --> 01:35:05.180 actually be because he comes up. He adopts Leia. 01:35:05.260 --> 01:35:08.340 He goes to check in on the Jedi. He offers Padme 01:35:08.340 --> 01:35:11.560 assistance and service. He's. doesn't rats out 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:14.079 padme and anakin when he sees them publicly kissing 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:19.560 and confessing pregnancy stuff oh nicole nicole 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:24.340 you've got my soul i did not have that pre -prepared 01:35:24.340 --> 01:35:27.279 going into this it just came to me well done 01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:31.439 i love it that's yes the other arguments would 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:34.420 be it can't be anakin because he just kills young 01:35:34.420 --> 01:35:37.760 children so and padme's been nerfed c3p is like 01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:40.100 not in the movie at all Yeah, he's not important 01:35:40.100 --> 01:35:46.300 here. He gets his memory wiped, so. And maybe 01:35:46.300 --> 01:35:49.199 that's a downvote for Bail Organa. He's the one 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.439 that orders the memory wipe. That's also maybe 01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:55.340 why he's the MVP. Sorry, I love C -3PO, but... 01:35:55.340 --> 01:35:59.680 Can you imagine C -3PO with all of these memories 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.079 going into... What havoc he would... He would 01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:05.640 combust. Like, he needed the memory wipe. His 01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:07.560 whole brain would explode. Yes, it's too much. 01:36:07.739 --> 01:36:10.220 He would have been assassinated, like, early 01:36:10.220 --> 01:36:12.699 on, because he'd be blabbing to everybody who 01:36:12.699 --> 01:36:16.479 Vader is. And this is why R2 was able to do everything. 01:36:16.899 --> 01:36:19.460 Yeah, exactly. Because he is so trustworthy and 01:36:19.460 --> 01:36:24.029 just... Yeah. Oh, man. I love it. Yeah, I think 01:36:24.029 --> 01:36:27.369 so, because Yoda loses, Mace Windu loses, Cody 01:36:27.369 --> 01:36:31.989 and Rex are losers. Bail is important, too, to 01:36:31.989 --> 01:36:36.090 things that come after this story. He's like 01:36:36.090 --> 01:36:39.090 the segue. And he's the one that gets Yoda and 01:36:39.090 --> 01:36:42.270 Obi -Wan back in contact, which sends Obi -Wan 01:36:42.270 --> 01:36:45.029 to the Jedi Temple to clear it for everybody 01:36:45.029 --> 01:36:47.250 to not come home to get killed. And that's when 01:36:47.250 --> 01:36:49.390 they find out who the apprentice is. Oh, it's 01:36:49.390 --> 01:36:53.479 Bail. It's Bail. Bail Organa is the MVP. Wow, 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:57.199 Nicole. This is why you are forever Clone War 01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:01.739 Nicole. I told you Revenge of the Sith is also 01:37:01.739 --> 01:37:06.359 my jam. Yeah, for real. What a great pull. Well 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:10.859 done. So good. 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It really helps the algorithm place 01:39:02.229 --> 01:39:04.649 us in front of other like -minded schmissioners 01:39:04.649 --> 01:39:07.130 out there. And with that, we're out, y 'all. 01:39:07.449 --> 01:39:10.289 Don't forget to tip your adoptive fathers. Bail! 01:39:10.909 --> 01:39:44.939 And fare thee well. Well, here we go. Anakin 01:39:44.939 --> 01:39:48.539 de -arms Dooku and then kills him anyway at the 01:39:48.539 --> 01:39:52.020 behest of Darkside using clearly the bad guy 01:39:52.020 --> 01:39:56.500 Palpatine. Wait, what? Sorry, it's supposed to 01:39:56.500 --> 01:39:59.300 be read like this. Then kills him anyway at the 01:39:59.300 --> 01:40:01.539 behest of Darkside using clearly the bad guy 01:40:01.539 --> 01:40:04.859 Palpatine. Oh, thank you. I was like, I was like. 01:40:05.369 --> 01:40:08.470 I was like, on behalf of Darkside, using clearly 01:40:08.470 --> 01:40:11.529 the bad guy Palpatine. I was like, wait, what? 01:40:13.090 --> 01:40:16.229 Why is Darkside in this? He's Superman's villain. 01:40:16.329 --> 01:40:18.189 What's happening? I'm so confused. Oh, it's like, 01:40:18.189 --> 01:40:21.289 on behalf of the Darkside, using Palpatine. Yes, 01:40:21.329 --> 01:40:24.890 yes. Darkside using clearly the bad guy Palpatine. 01:40:25.329 --> 01:40:29.340 Oh, that's very funny. Goodness gracious. He 01:40:29.340 --> 01:40:32.359 offers him a way to become greater than an ordinary 01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:36.600 Jedi. Wait, hold on. I, like, screwed all of 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:43.079 that up. I'm sorry, you guys. It's late. You're 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.119 late. You're pregnant. It's all difficult. It's 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.619 hot. You just moved. It's a whole thing. It's 01:40:49.619 --> 01:40:52.949 a whole thing. There we go. Stretching out like 01:40:52.949 --> 01:40:59.890 an athlete. We've been doing all these character 01:40:59.890 --> 01:41:01.829 episodes and stuff, and they don't have stories. 01:41:02.310 --> 01:41:05.130 You are out of practice, certainly. Very out 01:41:05.130 --> 01:41:08.710 of practice. Okay, let me try that again. Order 01:41:08.710 --> 01:41:20.939 66 hits. Jedi die. Cue the overmark. Do you want 01:41:20.939 --> 01:41:23.039 me to say it? Do you want to say it? I don't 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:28.600 care. You should say cue myself then. Our version 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:31.180 of ringing bells for when somebody dies is to 01:41:31.180 --> 01:41:33.100 just go cue the overmark and then see who goes... 01:41:33.100 --> 01:41:38.920 Nice. Okay, here we go. We got this, we got this, 01:41:38.939 --> 01:41:43.420 we got this. We will get through this summary. 01:41:44.739 --> 01:41:49.420 Obvious. Oh. I thought that said obvi. Obvi. 01:41:54.230 --> 01:41:57.710 I'm so sorry for whoever's editing this. It's 01:41:57.710 --> 01:42:00.170 going to be so difficult. Whether it's you, Britt, 01:42:00.270 --> 01:42:03.770 or it's you, Aurelia, we are doing our best. 01:42:03.949 --> 01:42:06.890 We're doing our best. You got this. Here we go. 01:42:07.130 --> 01:42:13.050 It can only go up from here. Exactly. Woo. We 01:42:13.050 --> 01:42:17.649 did it. Good lord. I mean, having just finished 01:42:17.649 --> 01:42:19.750 this movie 10 minutes before recording, that 01:42:19.750 --> 01:42:21.930 is pretty much exactly how it happened. That's 01:42:21.930 --> 01:42:26.050 how it happens. We had Charlotte O'Sullivan of 01:42:26.050 --> 01:42:29.289 the lovely, the lovely, the lovely Evening Standard. 01:42:32.670 --> 01:42:34.789 Revenge of the Sith has definitely become more, 01:42:34.829 --> 01:42:43.420 sorry. More. More. This movie has become ma -or 01:42:43.420 --> 01:42:52.260 of the same shish. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. Okay, 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:53.859 sorry, hold on. Someone's, like, bringing in 01:42:53.859 --> 01:42:56.060 their trash can right outside my window. Pause 01:42:56.060 --> 01:43:06.079 for the bloopers. Say something funny. Bubbles. 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:15.560 Lima beans. My friend, she always told me there's 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:18.319 this foolproof way if you're feeling really, 01:43:18.380 --> 01:43:21.060 really mad about something and you just need 01:43:21.060 --> 01:43:23.000 to make yourself laugh, you just have to say 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.199 bubbles as angrily as you possibly can. Bubbles! 01:43:27.960 --> 01:43:31.479 Yeah, that worked well. Well done. I know we 01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:33.960 just lost some hands and some legs and we've 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:36.640 burned some flesh, but it's only a flesh wound. 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:41.140 It is time for our eye. I am your father. Why 01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:43.779 am I doing a pirate voice? I am your father. 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:48.739 I am your father. All right. Here we go again. 01:43:48.819 --> 01:43:54.300 My name is Inigo Montoya. I am your father. Hold 01:43:54.300 --> 01:43:56.800 on. Sorry. Dogs are walking. Fun, fun facts and 01:43:56.800 --> 01:44:00.220 ghosts. Fun facts, guys. Oh, my God. What's happening 01:44:00.220 --> 01:44:06.800 in my room? Yes, I see you, puppy. Yeah, I know, 01:44:06.859 --> 01:44:09.500 but you have loud clicky -clackies that my microphone 01:44:09.500 --> 01:44:11.720 picks up. Yeah. Well, thank you for knocking 01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:14.260 that over on my desk. People will bail on their 01:44:14.260 --> 01:44:18.619 males for marriage. On their... Shut up! Shut 01:44:18.619 --> 01:44:39.640 up! I completely did not hit the L on that. have 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:42.680 you guys seen that uh while we're waiting for 01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:44.399 the dogs to move have you seen that video of 01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:48.000 the owl in in mexico so in mexico people believe 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.439 uh there's a belief that owls are witches and 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:54.760 so there is this uh or at least in in certain 01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:56.199 parts of mexico i'm not actually yeah i'm not 01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:57.319 gonna make a blanket statement about the whole 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.619 country but There's this awesome video of this 01:45:00.619 --> 01:45:02.979 group in a church. There's an owl up in the rafters 01:45:02.979 --> 01:45:04.819 of their church, they realize. And so they start 01:45:04.819 --> 01:45:07.500 trying to sing loudly to get the owl to leave. 01:45:07.939 --> 01:45:11.060 And the owl wakes up and it's like, yeah, I like 01:45:11.060 --> 01:45:13.840 this music. I'm staying forever. This is great. 01:45:13.939 --> 01:45:17.140 I like this music. And so they're like trying 01:45:17.140 --> 01:45:18.859 to sing it to get it to leave. And it's like, 01:45:18.939 --> 01:45:22.279 I'm bopping to this. I have not seen that. That's 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:24.579 funny. Oh, look it up afterwards. It's a great 01:45:24.579 --> 01:45:28.590 video. I just, the owl's just like, hmm. Yeah, 01:45:28.729 --> 01:45:34.470 get it. I'm vibing. Yeah, exactly. An owl. An 01:45:34.470 --> 01:45:44.649 owl in the rafter. What are you looking for? 01:45:44.909 --> 01:45:51.090 The witch. It's there. It's there. With its eyes. 01:45:51.470 --> 01:45:56.289 The owl of the rafter. It's there!