Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
that covers everything you love and more. I'm
Sierra Obermark. And I am Sam Williams. And today
we have a very special guest from our friend
podcast. Yeah, I would say we're friends. From
Revelio, it's Nicole. Welcome. Hello there. Hello,
hello, hello. So I'll tell you a very funny story
right before we do this. I opened up this document
instead of the Hogwarts Legacy document on the
day of recording. And so when we were going through
records, I was like, you guys want me to talk
about my favorite Star Wars movie? And Amy was
like, I think you want to talk about that. That's
funny. And I was like, oh, I have the wrong document
open. Hold on a minute. So now that we have the
right document open, and this is for you, Nicole,
to answer. We've got two questions. We've got
three bullet points, but two questions. Perfect.
What is your favorite Star Wars movie and what
is your favorite Star Wars character? So very
appropriately, my favorite Star Wars movie is
Revenge of the Sith. So what a perfect episode
to be on. But like, I know this wasn't a bullet
point, but I have to mention that my favorite
Star Wars thing of all time is the Clone Wars
TV series. Oh, excellent. But obviously very
adjacent to Revenge of the Sith, right? So I
have to mention it. And also had to mention that
because it directly plays into my favorite character.
So there's obviously so many great characters
in Star Wars. I'll narrow it down to two. The
first is our boy Anakin Skywalker. Amazing. Especially
Clone Wars Anakin. Really made me fall in love
with Anakin. And also Maul. Yep. And the irony.
I love you so much. The irony, though, of Maul
being my favorite character is I used to think
that he was the most overrated, overhyped character,
you know, based on just his appearance in Phantom
Menace, right? Yes. But then as soon as we got
our animated series, like quickly became one
of my favorites. And so obviously, I'm just so
excited for Maul's Shadow Lord next month. So
this is a little bit a little bit of a teaser
for our next episode, which Sierra and I recorded
yesterday. But it's the episode after this one.
Ahsoka and Maul's chemistry in season seven when
they're like. kind of lover fighters is ridiculously
great oh my god i've never thought of them as
lover fighters before and i love that i don't
think i'll ever be able to unsee that no no you
will never it's they're incredible uh maul is
a great character i love him i sierra hasn't
seen rebels yet she's waiting to do that until
we cover it for the podcast i love him and it
rebels him with ezra is incredibly cool sam oh
my god Witwer, Witwer, something. Sorry, Sam,
if you're listening. That's my first time getting
it remotely close. I'm always like, Witwiller,
Witwickensile, Witwernischkabuff. Anyways, Sam
Witwer. Sam Witwer's voice acting is just so
ridiculous. And I loved him as Starkiller in
the Forced Unleashed video games way back when.
But his maul is just incredible. Oh, I get goosebumps.
I just, I just love it. So now to, oh, yeah.
I will quote all the time, just like, to my students,
if they're not the right student, I was thinking,
I'll be like, I was expecting Kenobi. What are
you doing here? Kenobi! Oh my goodness, it's
so great. So great. It is indeed. Well, that's
great. Okay, so how did you get into Star Wars?
What is your origin story? Ooh. That that I was
not prepared for that question. I find it very
easy to talk about my origin story for Harry
Potter, but Star Wars, man, I definitely think
I got into it like a little bit later, like in
the game. I feel like what really got me on board
was actually the sequel trilogy coming out. And
I remember I was living, I was doing a graduate
program in the UK at the time. And I feel like
I remember going to see it there. I went to my
first Star Wars celebration in Europe as well,
like when I was living there. And so I think
like, I feel like it was probably that. And then
I think I went back and like rewatched everything.
And I was a prequels like Stan from the beginning.
But I feel like that's how I started was it coming
back. So there was a base level fandom of like,
hey, I watched these as a kid, but the actual
thing that started your, like, initial... I don't
even know if I watched them as a kid, actually.
So what? I think, like, as a kid, I was very
much like the Harry Potter Twilight. Yeah. Hunger
Games girl. But obviously I knew Star Wars. Yeah.
Kind of hard not to. Yeah. And I think like,
I also didn't really have a lot of friends that
were into Star Wars. And the irony of that is
I still really don't. So I'm really, really jazzed
about being here to talk about Star Wars with
you guys. Amazing. And so I think maybe that
was like part of it. And then, but yeah, I think
it was really, yeah, the sequel trilogy that
kind of made me be like, hey, I want to watch
this. And so I went back and watched everything.
I think. Which is so weird, because I can't remember
a time when Star Wars wasn't part of my life,
but it wasn't always part of my life in that
way. I feel that the same way about a very different
franchise, which is Top Gear, which I only started
watching in 2020, and now it's like... a part
of my personality. And I'm like, what was life
like before I ever watched these three curmudgeonly
old blodgers from England talk about cars? Yeah.
I mean, I imagine it's similar to like when you
have a child and you're like, wow, I don't remember
what life was like before that child, even though
I've only had that child for three years. Like
what was life like before that? That's how I
feel about Star Wars. I was expecting nothing
here. What are you doing here? Okay, cool. Well,
that's amazing. So you saw BB -8 in a trailer
run across the screen and you were like, that's
it. I'm a Star Wars fan. Oh, of course. And now
I have BB -8 right here on my wall right behind
me. Quite literally. For the listeners, because
we have no viewers, because we're an auditory
only, Nicole has like Rey and R2 prominently
displaced. I have my Star Wars gallery wall here.
I figured this would be a great place for me
to sit under tonight. I agree. Yeah. I agree.
These are all from actually fan conventions.
Like when I used to, when I lived in the UK and
I used to go to like London Comic Con and all
of those, I picked these up along the, along
the way. That's awesome. I do feel like not San
Diego Comic Con is sometimes the place to go
for when you're looking for art and stuff like
that. Cause San Diego Comic Con is overrun sometimes.
And it's like. I get there are comics and there's
a whole Boba Fett line right there and I can't
afford that armor. Where's the art? And you're
just like, they can't afford to be here. Yeah,
there's also some places that do, I'm trying
to remember what it's called, but there's a museum,
I think, near me. Maybe it's like one of the
history museums or something, but they'll put
on like themed events and sometimes they do like.
Basically, a mini mini fan convention. And so
then you can go and some people have mugs and
they have art and they have just really neat,
like local people who just do fun things. And
I'm actually thinking about it right now. If
this ties in with me having just gone to Epic,
but I have a little painting of Hagrid with Toothless
on his shoulder. That's a cool crossover. Yes.
I like that a lot. And if you listeners want
to know more about Sierra's trip to Epic Universal
Park, it's on our Patreon, which please, for
the love of God, throw some money our way. Please.
Pretty please. We'll be so nice and continue
making content. Yes, indeed. Today's episode,
we will be scorchingly salivating over Star Wars
Episode 3. Revenge of the Sith. And without further
ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive on in.
So get up to 88, because it's time to travel
back to our story recap. Our Palpatine has been
captured by Grievous slash Dooku slash himself,
kind of. Anakin and Obi -Wan are sent to rescue
him, and while Obi -Wan is constantly telling
Anakin to let him die, Anakin won't quite let
that happen, which is certainly a big juxtaposition
from the end of the movie, if I do so say about
myself. While R2 -D2 deals with New York -accented
battle droids, Obi -Wan gets bested by Dooku,
but Anakin de -arms Dooku and then kills him
anyway at the behest of Darkside using clearly
the bad guy Palpatine. Our dynamic band of brothers
duo team lands a crashing ship and they become
heroes. Anakin gets to gallivant along with the
politicians and then bail on bail when Padme
sneaks over. They fully kiss in public where
anyone can see and Padme announces, also in public,
that she's pregnant and the movie ends. It's
happily ever after and nothing wrong happens.
Wait. Padme's gonna die! In Anakin's dreams,
at least. Padme, not that concerned. But Anakin
feels like this is unnamed mother number one
all over again. And this time, he won't kill
the men, women, and young. The war is coming
to an end. The Jedi can feel it, and that's all
they can feel. Chancellor Palpatine continues
his favor -doing for Anakin. He gets him on the
Council, though not with the rank of Master.
He reveals a story about a Sith Lord that might
be able to save his wife. He offers him a way
to become greater than an ordinary Jedi. Wait.
Well, turns out that's a real trick for Anakin.
At first, he gives up Palpatine to Mace, but
eventually can't give up the idea of saving Padme,
so he takes Mace's hands as collateral, and Sheev
reveals he's got two government names, Sidious.
and Palpatine. Obi -Wan, meanwhile, is on a lizard
taking victory laps for killing General Grievous,
albeit with an uncivilized, uneducated, and unrefined
blaster. When, suddenly, and without warning,
there was a total eclipse of the Jedi in the
universe. That's a little shop horrors reference
for anybody who doesn't know. Order 66 hits.
Jedi, die. Cue myself. But Yoda and Obi survive.
Bail gets them together, and they're able to
find out what happened. Palpatine isn't a pal
at all. He's the opposite of pal. He's a phobatine.
Yoda hatches a plan. He'll kill Sheev. Obi, and
who thought this was a good idea, will go and
kill little Annie. Obi manipulates Padme into
helping Obi find Anakin, putting her in harm's
way. Anakin uses what seems to be a very practiced
force choke, hold on his wife, knocking her out,
and the fight begins. But no one wins. In what
may be considered the best lightsaber fight in
all of the films, Obi and Anakin fight, interspersed
with old men McGee, that's Yoda and Shrieve,
fighting as well. Yoda straight up loses, flees,
and yeets himself into the country where no one
can find him. Ahem, coward. Obi chops Anakin
into little pieces and then lets lava light him
on fire, but can't put Anakin out of his misery,
and he leaves too. Padme lives! And then dies.
Cue myself again. Dun dun dun. But her twins,
Luke and Leia, survive. Yoda and Obi -Wan split
them up, with Bail conveniently adopting a baby
girl the same day Padme gives birth, and Obi
taking Luke to Anakin's home planet, where he'll
never visit because, well... There's sand. End
of summary. Time for a reality check. How did
this movie get off the ground? Well, essentially,
as the third in the trilogy, this was the result
of George Lucas's desire to tell the full arc
of Anakin's rise and fall into becoming Vader.
Because of the desire to tie the prequels together
with the original trilogy, there was then created
this film, which has darker tones. Then the previous
two, and lots of allusions to historical events
and Shakespearean tragedies. So what was the
critics' reaction? Okay, so the Rotten Tomatoes
scores are as followed. A 79 % critic score,
which is the highest of the prequel era. And
a 66 % fan score, which seems lower than how
this movie is talked about in Star Wars circles.
So I don't know if that's the result of review
bombing. Or what happened. But I found that fascinating.
That it is. That's super interesting. It's at
a 66%, which is still fresh, according to Rotten
Tomatoes. But it is. I feel like, especially
maybe this is because I'm just with teenagers
and they love Revenge of the Sith. But I feel
like people are like S tier all the way. No question.
No doubt. So the critics reaction. The good reactions.
We had Sharla O'Sullivan of the London Evening
Standard. She wrote. Instead of producing a childish
movie for adults, Lucas comes up with an adult
movie for kids. And this is kind of the theme
around critics, is that they're all like, yeah,
pretty good, not great. As we'll see with these
next two comments. Mark Savlov of the Austin
Chronicle wrote, Veering from moments of breathtakingly
visualized valor to outright stupidity, Sith
is a vast improvement over the previous two outings.
But still and all, it's no Star Wars. He didn't
die. Not that I know. Gary Maddox at the Sydney
Morning Herald wrote, It's a stronger movie than
the two previous installments. But as Yoda would
say, an out and out triumph. It is not. So this
weird oscillation of like, yep, better. Not great.
Still not great. Yeah. Right. The bad reactions.
Joe Williams of the St. Louis Post -Dispatch
wrote, although the stiff theatrics are part
of the design, they're no longer excusable. Wow.
Okay. Nick Shager from Lessons in Darkness wrote,
nominally better than its immediate predecessors,
thanks to pervasive atmosphere of catastrophic
doom. Oh my gosh. Which I think is quite a great
line. I mean. Donald. Donald Clark wrote of the
Irish times. And this is a, this is a comment
from this past 2025 when it was released for
his 20th anniversary. He came and said his was
one liner was revenge of the Sith is still junk.
Oh, but my favorite line, my favorite line is
from Adam Kempinar from film spotting. And he
said, is it a great star Wars movie? It's certainly
the greatest prequel. What a cop out. The funny
thing is, though. Yeah. It's not too far off
from fan reaction. No. As well. Because especially
at the time, many people were thinking, oh, it's
this amazing, fantastic spectacle. Best of the
prequels. Still lackluster. Especially in storytelling
elements. I mean, think. Leia has memories of
Padme, but Padme dies before meeting her. C -3PO
just happens to get his memory wiped, but not
R2. Anakin goes from let's turn Palpatine in
to let me kill kids for Palpatine really quick.
It is a pretty quick switch up there. No! Wait
a second. This kid? He's four, yeah? Lightsaber
in the head. Got it. Nope. Perfect. Yeah, so...
that's it's still kind of that wishy -washy it's
the better of the prequels but it's still not
amazing by any means after 20 years because it
has crazily been 20 years since you shut your
face i don't like it any more than you do revenge
of the sith has definitely become more of a favorite
and a beloved part of the saga and consistently
i have found that people see it in a more favorable
light the more subsequent rewatches that they
have so it does seem like there's a lot more
to love about the movie and a lot more to appreciate
on subsequent watchings and really diving in
and i think that clone wars The TV show helps
a lot with that because that was a huge turning
point in people understanding Anakin in this
movie. And yeah, Clone Wars definitely does a
lot of the heavy lifting in terms of character
development there. Some of the moments in the
movie still come across as comical rather than
dramatic. No! Some of the plot holes are still
plot holing. But overall... image has shifted
for the better over time, which is kind of surprising.
I feel like in a lot of media, things tend to
have more negative reaction over time, or when
kind of cast in current light, they don't hold
up as well, things like that. So I think it is
more on the unusual side to see something become
more loved without it just being because of nostalgia.
I would say, to me, it's always the law of averages.
If something comes in super hot, it's going to
cool down over time. If something comes in and
it's blasted, people will give it more care.
You've had a lot of summer. Yeah, exactly. You
think about like Jar Jar Binks, not nearly as
hated as he was. Oh, he's loved now. And Ahmed,
the actor who plays him, well beloved. You know,
when he was in, he's in what, The Mandalorian
for two seconds as a Jedi, as like a totally
different character, the actor. And he comes
in and it was like celebrated along Star Wars
all over the place as if Star Wars fans had never
driven him to almost suicidal thoughts. So I
think it's just the law of averages where it's
like some people really hate on the Godfather
now, even though you go back and rewatch that
probably still holds up. And the same thing with
Phantom Menace. People really hated it. Now it's,
you know, come up in its measurement. So but
there is a fascinating phenomenon in terms of.
Of it aging like fine wine. And we will discuss
that in now. What aged the best? And what aged
the worst? George Lucas' main passion, it feels
like, is movie technology. And I will say, I
found that the CGI in this movie still holds
up pretty well. The Mustafar scene is incredible.
Like that entire third act. Yeah. I think the
CGI is really good. Still really great. There
are some moments where, you know, Anakin does
like a jump off and the slowdown is like, oh,
that's CGI. But the set design CGI's are still
remarkable, I feel. I think the space battle
CGI's really hold up too. Especially like the
beginning of the movie. Yeah, with the like buddy
cop movie that they're doing. Leave me, Anakin.
There's nothing you could do. Obi -Wan, are you?
Are you trying to die? You're going to die if
he doesn't do anything. Right. Anakin's like,
what if I shoot your ship? Wait a second. That's
a bad idea. Anakin's just having the time of
his life, you know? Totally. Absolutely. I will
also say, I think fan analysis has impressed
upon the fandom a lot more information into the
film. So whether that's Clone Wars, which is
actual written material that has made the scene
about not giving Anakin the rank of master. Oh,
wait, he did train a Padawan and he's led all
of this stuff and he's been one of your most
important people and you you're letting him on
the council, but you're not giving him the rank.
That is a giant insult, whether it's that or
if you think about something like Obi and Anakin's
high ground moment. This is an analysis that
has become like that is headcanon that has now
turned into like like God's will, as if this
is the thing. What I mean by that is this. The
high ground moment with Anakin and Obi -Wan is
Obi -Wan says, I've got the high ground. Don't
try it. And now people have gone and done this
thing where they're like, but you see, Anakin
would have heard all about how Obi -Wan beat
Maul, even though Maul had the high ground. And
Anakin thinks that Obi -Wan is better or that
he's better than Obi -Wan. And so he's now going
to show up his master in his hubris and he's
going to leap and do it. That all very well could
be true, but that is only subtextual analysis.
That's not provable by evidence in the film.
And so this film has aged the best with this
mixture of like fan head canon that has been
poured into a concoction of actual canon stuff
that is now sort of indistinguishable. What's
aged the worst? I think actually not that much.
I think everyone knew its faults at the beginning.
And now kind of sit either under inflating the
faults or properly inflating the faults. I will
say, I think just with Clone Wars kind of nerfing
Padme's character, where she becomes this Mary
Jane damsel with not too much Leia in her, where
she's like, I can get myself out, but not really.
They really nerf her character as compared to
the first two movies. She becomes the object
of Anakin's like whole plot. And that's the only
reason why she's there. And that, to me, feels
like an irresponsible use of your one female
character that has been the coolest, the most
interesting of your trio, the person with the
most growth, the person that we're most interested
to get to know because we know the dad issues
in the original trilogies and we get one second
of mother -daughter time where I remember her,
she was sad. And guess what? That's all we get
of her in this movie is she's just sad. And she
was so good in Clone Wars. Like, they really
did such a great job with her character. And,
I mean, hindsight's 20 -20 with it coming out
after. But, yeah. Yeah. They did her a little
dirty in this movie. Well, and especially Attack
on Clones. She's, like, gung -ho. She's a leader.
Phantom Menace, she might be a little bratty
at times. And I seriously think that she might
be a serial killer. But that was one of my theories
from that film. Is that Sabe gets her to go clean
up the droid. For R2, because she's like, oh,
my God, this woman's crazy. I need her to go
do something. I feel like she'd totally do it,
too. Yeah. So I just, yeah, I feel like nerfing
her has really aged to the worst for me. What
about you guys? I mean, some of the dialogue.
And it makes me think of Padme. Like, I just,
I mean, literally in just my last rewatch when
they're, like, standing out on the balcony and
they're like, you're so beautiful. And it's only
because. I'm in love. And I'm just like, whoa,
let's leave this in Attack of the Clones. What
are we doing? And I think especially, too, if
you're watching it and you think of it in this
Clone Wars thing, and you're thinking about all
the things that happened in these years between,
and you're like, and now we're just regressing
a little bit. And so, yeah, some of the dialogue's
a little not great still. Yeah, totally. Keep
your finger on the pause button and rewind that
tape. It's time. For the prestige category, what
did we notice on this watch through? Okay, first
of all. Okay, is it just me? Or is Palpatine
so, so, so obvious? He couldn't be more obvious
unless he was stroking a white cat as the chair
swivels around and going, Hello, Mr. Bond. He
is sitting there all... captured, like he's on
a dang throne. He is ruling that seat. He is
unconcerned by the situation. Obi -Wan's, ah,
Sith Lords are our speciality. Are they now,
first of all? Not that one, apparently. Also,
Obi, you're one for two. You took out, and not
even a Sith Lord, you took out an apprentice
and then you didn't take out another apprentice.
Like, what are you talking about? And, Then he
immediately switches to this whole convincing
of Anakin to just straight up kill somebody,
which, side note, does not take much convincing
at all. Do it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, all right. Yeah,
sounds good. No, no, actually, that's a great
idea. He's been in too many movies anyways. I
will say. Yeah, he's just so obvious. I do feel
like he is in this scene. That not just like
the actor, but Palpatine himself is like, hey,
I'm captured. What are you going to do now? Are
you going to kill him? I'm so scared that I'm
captured. Yeah. Oh, no. Like, he's just cackling
over there like a little kid. He's basically,
like, reclining in a Lazy Boy while he's watching
the fight. Just, like, clapping his hands, watching
them go at it. Yay! Teeny dinner! Fight for me!
Fight for me! Yeah. On to other characters who
are just kind of killing me right now. Padme
is so certain. that everything with her and the
baby is going to be okay. First of all, she's
seen how accurate Anakin's visions can be. First
hand, she was there when the women and the children.
Second of all, she's in a first time pregnancy.
Can I speak as a person who has been pregnant
now three times? There is no way she's this chill.
Especially because She has to keep this a secret.
She can't just go and talk to every mom she knows.
She can't just Google, hey, Reddit, I'm feeling
this weird thing. My husband is having visions
of me dying. His last vision of someone dying
actually happened. How screwed am I? You know,
she can't do any of that. There's absolutely
no way she'd be this certain. And she needs to
make a birth plan, please. So along those lines,
why is she traveling when she's due? At the very
end of the movie, she's like, don't worry, I'm
going to fly. Nothing wrong will happen to me.
I'm going to fly with the baby to this guy who
maybe has more than some children. Yeah, to this
lava planet. What could go wrong? On Earth, if
you are after 36 weeks, I believe, airlines will
not let you fly. She's not just getting on a
dang plane and going three hours away. She's
flying in space to another planet. Knowing that
her husband has gone rogue and he has these powers.
Yeah. Um, ma 'am. Ma 'am. So many of the Star
Wars universe is like, I was born in hyperspace
and I'm fine. It's like, it's like car babies.
I mean, did we not learn from Doctor Who? Like
when babies are born in the time vortex, they
get a little. A little waxy doodle. A little
wonky. Continuing my frustration with people.
Windu. Mace, mace, mace, mace, mace. I sense
a plot to destroy the Jedi. Oh, do you now, Windu?
Do you? The dark side surrounds the Chancellor.
Are you just now sensing this? Not literally
every other time. In all of these movies that
you have been in contact and in the same room
as and within two feet of this Chancellor, you
haven't sensed it until right now? Chancellor
Palpatine smirks all the time. He doesn't use
his face muscles. The dark side is what's pushing
his face muscles up to smirk like that. Especially
the... The moment where he says, I sense a plot
to destroy the Jedi, it's said so casually. He's
just like, you know, I sense a plot to destroy
the Jedi. NBD, Casual Tuesday. It's like being
at a religious meetup where everyone is like
talking about like, yeah, here's what's going
on in my life. And he's like, by the way, I sense
a plot to destroy literally all of us. Me and
all my friends. Me and all my friends. We're
all going to die, guys. Just so you know. It's
fine. It's probably bad. It could be okay. It's
because they're the Jedi. Nothing can happen
to them, right? Spoilers. Spoilers. Hold on.
Another thing that I noticed this go -around.
Leaving Anakin alone to spy on Palpatine is a
horrible plan for many, many reasons. I feel
like every time I rewatch it, I find another
reason why this is such a bad plan. He is clearly
so mixed up in his feelings. He doesn't know
how he feels about the Jedi. He doesn't know
how he feels about Palpatine. The Jedi know that
he's having weird do -I -trust -him -do -I -not
feelings about Palpatine. No one is going to
be there to check up on the situation, see how
Anakin's doing, make sure his mental state is
okay. They already know that the dark side is
surrounding the Chancellor, as we have literally
just learned, and yet we're not going to be slightly
concerned that we're setting Anakin up for failure?
Like, you're sending somebody who you would not
- grant the rank of master to because you don't
fully trust him to go be around the dark side.
And spy on someone you also kind of don't trust.
They just handed Anakin over on the little silver
platter. Exactly. It's ridiculous. It's straight
up ridiculous. I've been very critical of this
movie, period. Even when it first came out, and
I was, I don't know, I must have been in eighth
grade, I think, when this movie came out. Maybe
seventh grade. Yeah, yeah, 13 years old. And
even then, I remember being like, I just feel
like it was a little rushed, and I didn't really
understand the... Anakin's emotional reasoning
behind all this. Like, I get all the points.
And I've watched this movie a lot. And then we've
been doing all of this research and reading of
prequel stuff. Like, I read so many prequel comics.
And I read, we read a bunch of prequel books
together. We watched all of Clone Wars, which
is just so much heavy lifting. And I listen to
my students all the time talk about. You know,
they ask me, like, what my ranking of Star Wars
movie is. And, like, Revenge of the Sith is,
like, fourth or fifth, depending on the day.
And they're like, no, it's got to be number one.
And I'm like, okay, I'll give this movie another
fair shot. And I got to say, I still have some
of the same complaints, even though I really
love this movie. And it just really stuck with
me again how all the major plot points are there.
Like, they really give you, okay, here's Palpatine
manipulating him. Here's what's going on with
Padme. Remember the last movie with unnamed mother
number one? Well, the same thing's sort of happening
with Padme. That's what's making him lose control.
That's what's making him so desperate. And also
at the same time, the Jedi are at war. They're
kind of distracted by all this. Obi -Wan isn't
around for Anakin the way he needs him to be.
But... They don't, the scenes don't actually
explore much of the emotional depth. I think
like the one that really sticks out to me is
when Anakin and Padme are discussing, well, Padme
is asking Anakin and she comes to him and the
acting by Natalie Portman in this scene is so
good because she really feels like someone who
has been holding on to this thought and it's
just spilling out of her now where she goes,
what if we're on the wrong side? Essentially.
And Anakin is like, you're starting to sound
like a separatist. And that's such a great scene.
But we just get a kiss of it before it leaves.
It's a complete tease emotionally. And that to
me is my big problem with the movie. And George
Lucas talks about this movie when he talks about
how long the initial scene with Dooku took. They
cut it down to a half hour. It was an hour of
footage with CGI effects and everything before
he was like, no, we got to cut it down. This
movie is going to be three hours. And I'm like,
that's just the action that they cut. They had
to sacrifice so much to get us to Order 66. And
so it really feels like sort of Game of Thrones
season eight, like plot point, plot point, plot
point. And now we can do the big idea. Right.
And I just, it's just so frustrating because
there are these moments where I'm like, oh, let's
spend a little bit more time in that. Let's really,
let's really get in the nitty gritty of it. And
it just won't, it just won't stay seated for
a second. I agree. I mean, even with this being
my favorite film, I think that I am still pretty
critical of it. And I think this is where the
novelization of this movie really shines. But
at the same time, you shouldn't have to consume
Clone Wars and read the novelization and watch
all these other things to get the full impact.
Because I think one of the criticisms I see a
lot of this film, to your point of how it just
jumps around, is like, wow, how did Anakin fold
so quickly? How did that happen? But if you've
watched... you know, the Clone Wars, it really...
isn't that quick he's already there especially
like you know everything that happens with like
the mortis arc which by the way is my favorite
episodes of clone wars ever me too won't get
on that tangent but no um but yes so i think
like we all the pieces are there and he just
needs something to push him over the edge which
is what we see in this film right he gets that
push he gets that fear of padme dying he gets
somebody saying i can help you save her and that's
enough but to a casual viewer i can see them
being like wait what Like, we were just here
and now we're here. And even with, like, the
scene that I'm talking about specifically, even
with Clone Wars and all of that stuff, that scene
still is emotionally lacking. Because it doesn't
allow for Anakin and Padme to actually have that
conversation. Versus, you're right, for a lot
of the other stuff, if you have consumed all
this media, and I'm a big proponent of whatever
your main medium is, you have to have everything
crucial and essential in that medium. You can't
be asking people to go and do all this other
stuff. Um, but man, does Clone Wars make this
movie really fit a lot better? But even then
there are still moments where I'm like, ah, George,
just give us, give us like 30 more seconds of
this conversation. Give us a La La Land like
fight between Padme and Anakin so that I can
be even more devastated when they're not completely
made up by the time that he chokes her out. Right.
Some of us love the politics of it and getting
into those conversations. And I do agree that
I think that's what's lacking a little bit in
this movie. They could have really gone there
several times, but didn't, I think, for the sake
of just what you said to get to the action scenes.
Yeah. I think kind of a bridge between the two
kind of things that we've been talking about.
We're like sitting in a scene. for a little bit
of time, and then also seeing Anakin get pushed
over the edge. I think maybe one of my favorite,
favorite moments of this movie is Anakin is in
the council chambers. Padme is in her quarters.
They are both looking out their windows towards
each other's buildings. And the music... is this
gentle, haunting vocalization. And the subtlety
in both of their acting and their facial expressions
and all of their just mannerisms that they have.
And it is spot on. And then Anakin turns with
this tear in his eye because he knows he's going
to let fear take over. He can't lose Padme. And
he knows that Padme isn't going to like it. And
I think it's definitely one of the best moments
for just sitting in emotion and then also just
visually and how the whole scene and sequence
is put together. It's one of my favorites. And
every time that I watch it, I kind of am tempted
to go back and watch it a few more times in a
row just because it's a very emotionally... almost
draining moment where you really feel it's like
the opposite of cathartic. Well, I think what's
so amazing is, first of all, this is, I feel,
is one of the best singular moments in all three
movies. Because this is what film, this is filmmaking's
medium. Filmmaking's medium isn't dialogue, it
isn't characterization, it isn't necessarily
plot, it's the visual. Now, when you can do all
of those things together is when you get the
perfect movie. this moment is the visual of conflict.
It is the visual of the stakes. And we actually
get to sit in it for a second. And this reminds
me, it's like, it's a full circle moment from
what we were talking about in Phantom Menace
Sierra with the poster was more interesting than
the movie, right? Anakin, little boy Anakin.
The poster with little Anakin with the Vader
shadow behind him. Way more interesting than
the movie. The trailer. of of revenge of the
sense the first trailer is all of these deep
brooding shots of obi and anakin and padme and
you know that this is the vader origin story
you know that's coming and you're like you would
get you so hyped about i just re -watched the
trailer in preparation for this podcast and i
was like man i just finished the movie and i
have all these complaints but i am so excited
to watch that movie and it's this this is i I
would say the same thing with Obi -Wan and Anakin
clashing together for that moment of lava to
erupt. That is the best of the prequels. It's
the duel of fates as well with some of those
visualizations that they would give, whether
it was the fast combat or just the pause to take
a breath while Obi -Wan and Qui -Gon and Maul
are all locked out from each other. It's so,
so deliciously wonderful. When I think it's those
little scenes, really, that is what, pushes this
to be my favorite film yeah um you know there's
obviously those that there's there's problems
there too but when it's really good it's it's
really good yeah when they lean into the like
othello shakespearean big drama big feelings
big emotions and yeah the tragedy of it rather
than the like come now r2 let's let's go Kill
buzz droids. It's a little less interesting.
As I'm riding on my lizard creature. Yeah, yeah.
I love that. That's one of my favorite sound
designs in all these movies. I love that. It's
so pleasing to hear the lizard. And it's so sad
when the lizard falls. And I still need somebody
to tell me if that lizard survived the fall or
not. Right. I need closure. I do. I do need closure.
My head can only go so far. Okay. I have a hear
me out for a moment here. And you're going to
nitpick with me on this, Sam. I just know it.
You're going to nitpick about exactly what I'm
talking about. But hear me out first. No. Go
ahead. Anakin walks into the room as Mace and
Palpatine are fighting. Mace trying to arrest
Palpatine with the not help of three other Jedi
who die immediately. And in the moment when Anakin
is telling Mace to stop, he's correct. He is
totally correct. Killing Palpatine is not the
Jedi way. Mace should be focused on trying to
bring Palpatine in, not just straight up killing
him. Anakin has been struggling. with this dilemma
of what is the Jedi way and do I agree with it,
since he killed Dooku in this almost exact same
scenario. And he knew it wasn't right after the
fact. He says so. And he's caught up in this
moment and the pressure from Palpatine and the
waves of the dark side that are impressing upon
him. And seeing Mace basically replicate what
he has already done. pushes him over the line,
and he is no longer thinking rationally and just
must stop what's happening. He's trying to figure
out how to balance what he has been taught is
correct, what he has done that he knows is not
correct, and what he has now decided in that
scene that we were just discussing, that he needs
to save Padme whatever it takes, and he can't
do that if Palpatine's dead. All of this is coming
to a head and he's like, this is going to be
a huge, huge mistake. Mace don't do it. And Mace
not stopping to arrest Palpatine completely throws
Anakin for a loop, which causes the rest of what
occurs in this scene. And I think it's interesting
because Anakin is correct. I'm with you. I'm
with you up until that very last line. Where
you say Anakin is correct. Because we are missing
a couple of different things. So from Anakin's
point of view, I see your point in terms of like,
I just killed Dooku, that was a mistake. You
shouldn't kill the Emperor, even though he's
the one that, because he's the one that told
me to kill Dooku, and he's the Sith, so actually
you're now doing a Sith -y thing. What Anakin
missed was the fact that our friend Palpatine
killed three Jedi. pretty immediately and then
has had this elongated duel and that he actually
it like there are a very few select jedi that
could even hold palpatine temporarily mace is
one of them anakin is one of them so mace isn't
actually necessarily that wrong when he's like
boy he might be too dangerous to keep alive we
have to take care of this right now also from
anakin's point of view he's unarmed But Mace
is actually right because Palpatine is playing
it up. He's not as defenseless and he's just
waiting for the moment to strike. He's not unarmed.
Totem's out. No Sith is unarmed because they
got crackle fingers that can go buzz to buzz
to buzz kill. And so, no, he's not right in that
either. Actually, Mace is right. He is too dangerous
to be left alive. Something that Anakin will
rectify 23, 25 years later when he's like. No!
And throws him into the garbage component of
the Death Star, kind of, maybe. A shaft that
has blue light at the bottom of it. We'll call
it that. He falls down a hole, which, as we know
in all of Star Wars, does not mean you die. It
means death in that case. He's only going to
lose later. This means your lizard creature is
still alive, too. I suppose. That's nice. He
falls down a little bit of a shaft. Okay, fine.
I will accept that. But I will also say this.
You're missing a little bit of the last line
that Anakin shouts before he stops Mace. Which
is... not at all about this isn't the jedi way
wait no hold on anakin i don't know actually
is fully like yeah i think he like believes that
but i don't i think he's trying to talk mace
out of it in the way that it will make sense
to mace for anakin it is not about that he literally
shouts i need her before cutting off both of
mace's hands and then mace gets electrocuted
and force pushed out a window to not his death
per george lucas but I think he's not 100 percent
right. And the main reason is he goes, I need
him and then cuts off Mace's hands. Because I
think in that moment, it's really I mean, it's
like Anakin is so selfish in this moment. And
like we know that ultimately, like everything
that's driven all of this is his fear of losing
Padme. Right. And he's got this person who's
telling him, I can help you save her. And in
that moment, Anakin is not thinking about anything
else, whether it you know, I do think that. It's
not the Jedi way. And I do think Anakin knows
that. But yeah, in that moment does not care
because he just he needs him. I will throw in
a small counterpoint in Anakin's defense here.
While yes, he is being very selfish, and I'm
not going to dispute that I need him at the end.
What I am going to dispute is what Anakin has
missed. is everything that has occurred in this
room up until now, which he would not have missed
had Mace just taken him with him. Okay, so, but
Mace being wrong about not taking him with him
does not equal Anakin being right. It just means
that Mace was wrong. Well, Anakin doesn't have
all the information. Well, yeah, but that's...
That is one of the reasons why he's not 100 %
right. Like, you're proving my point by saying
that. Okay, fine. He's not 100 % correct. However,
he makes some good points. He does. That is 100
% unassailable. He makes some good points, even
if they're selfish and not really actually intentioned
for what he's saying. Yeah. Okay. Regardless
on Anakin's 50%, 100%, somewhere in the middle
percentage of being correct, he's immediately
proven to not be able to trust Palpatine. Because
Palpatine has promised him that he can save Padme.
He knows how. He can teach Anakin immediately.
And that's just it. And then immediately we find
out that he's a lying liar who lies. Because
he says... Oh, well, we can figure it out together.
We're both smart. We got this. Like, what? Also,
the whole point of Anakin stopping Mace is so
that Palpatine's not going to die. He's going
to stand trial. And whether or not Anakin's being
fully forthcoming with that at the time, or that's
just what he thinks Mace wants to hear. The second
Mace is gone, Anakin's like, justice system?
What justice system? No, we can't do that. That's
not the Jedi way. Cuts off hands, watches man
die. I guess I'll kill people now. It's fine.
It's fine. It really is. He's like an armored
knight that you're like, you walk up to him like,
oh, cool, a suit of armor. And then you push
a little bit and it's paper. Like, it's just
straight up paper. And you're like, it's not
even is this cake? It's is this paper? Like,
he folds so quickly. It's wild. So to me, everything
in this movie. before Order 66 bothers me slightly.
And for what I've already said. And then once
I sit with myself and I go, okay, I am accepting
the fact that he's now Vader, even though I don't
actually think that he's really Vader. And I
don't really see why he would go to immediately
killing children. But if you do accept that,
everything from the movie onward, I think rocks.
With the slight caveat of like... Padme is dying.
Why? We don't know. But we'll get to that point
in a second. But I feel like everything after
this moment is like, wow, I'm super, super down.
I'm telling you, that third act just makes you
forget the rest of the film. It really does.
Lava, yay! Like Palpatine watching them fight.
Fight for me! Something interesting, just a little
side note, I never really picked up before that
Bale could have just immediately left, but he
lingers just long enough that he sees the Padawan
fighting clones and therefore becomes one of
the only people to actually know what has happened,
which is fascinating because I don't know if
I just never picked up on that scene or just
didn't. make it into my memory towards the end
of the movie when he and Obi -Wan and Yoda are
all speaking being like wow he's like actually
very important in terms of amount of knowledge
of what has just occurred everything that they
do with Bail Organa I think is incredible I think
it's one of the coolest things about Revenge
of the Sith is that they build in very subtly
off to the side this awesome dad of Leia then
showing you hey Why does she have such a strong
moral compass? This guy right here. He's the
only senator that we know of that turns up and
is like, hey, what's going on? How can I help
at the Jedi Temple? And then he gets to witness
literal George Lucas' son dying. Because that's
the kid that does all these amazing flips. That's
played by Jet Lucas. That's George Lucas' kid.
Cool. Yeah. Again, this just continues my...
frustration with characters. Yoda. Yoda, Yoda,
Yoda, Yoda. You have had multiple opportunities
now to explain what you have seen, what you have
had visions of, what you have experienced, what
you have heard. You have had multiple different
people that you could have shared all of this
information with, and yet you have done nothing.
And I... Want to shake that little green puppet.
My opinion of Yoda gets worse after every rewatch
of the prequels. And I, especially when we talk
about this on our Clone Wars, Nicole, on our
Clone Wars pod, Nicole, not that you are Clone
Wars, Nicole. I would love to be Clone Wars,
Nicole. Clone Wars, Nicole. That's who's on the
show today. Clone Wars, Nicole. But we talk about
it then. Where Yoda goes off to Dagobah and has
the whole, like, can I find the way to immortality?
And he finds out all about what's going to happen.
And then he turns up and Mace and Obi -Wan are
like, so what happened? And he's like, nothing.
What? Dude. And that's why I wrote in the, in
the little thing, like he yeets himself off into
the world. He's like, nah, I'm, I'm good. 800
years of this and I'm done. I don't need this
anymore. What a selfish man. He reminds me a
bit of like, he's the Dumbledore version in this
world where you're like, Hey man, come on. You
didn't have a better plan. Or he did and just
didn't share it with anybody. I could see it
either way. For real. And then we get the kind
of new brewing drama between Anakin and Palpatine.
So they have just formed this new alliance and
now Anakin is ready to slash it all to pieces
immediately. I find it very sudden because Anakin
turns exceptionally quickly from I'll kill for
you to I'll kill you. I'll kill the chancellor
and I will rule. Yeah. And it seems slightly
out of character to me because while we know
he supports kind of the idea of a dictatorship
and that if one person is in charge, then – No
red tape. Exactly. No red tape. Things can get
done. Things can happen. And he definitely thinks
that he knows best about most situations and
people should listen to him. However – he hasn't
really given hints that he has designs to be
the ruler. He just seems like he wants to support
that ruler or, you know, really help make whatever
world that is the best that it can be. And it
just seems very odd that suddenly he's like,
no, we'll rule the galaxy side by side. I'm with
Padme. She's like, wait, what? I think that Anakin's
in such emotional turmoil this whole time. Because
there's even that one scene where they look at
his face while he's fully going dark side and
he's still crying about what's gone on. And I
think that this is very different from the proposition
that he gives to Luke. He's like, we will rule
side by side. And I think that's more of him
being like... Yeah, I'm so in trouble with my
wife right now. I'm going to explain why this
is going to be a good thing. And actually, I'm
going to be the one in charge. I'm not working
for the emperor. And so he's kind of like spiraling.
He's just spiraling. And I think that this is
one of his ways of trying to get out of all the
evil that he's done with Padme. It's like, you
know what? Now you and I are going to rule. And
versus 22 years later. When he's talking to Luke,
I think that is him being like, I have thought
this through. I know what I need to do. I hate
this guy. And we know now through the comics
that he's found out that Luke is his son even
before the Emperor tells him. on the ship. And
Boba Fett is the one that finds that out. He
gives that information to Vader. Vader cracks
an entire window in a Star Destroyer because
he's so angry about it. And so I think he's had
time. And so that's the juxtaposition between
those two is this is an unsure little kid being
like, I'm in trouble. Wait, I can make this better.
I'll be the one in charge. Versus with Luke,
he's like, no, no, no, man, I got a plan. I also
think that this is also very in line with Anakin's
character because he's been the whole time. Everyone
holds me back. I will save all the slaves. I
will save mom. I will save Padme. I'm the most
talented. He's the chosen one. Exactly. He's
told that he's the chosen one. He has Obi -Wan's
voice in his head going, you are the chosen one
constantly. But I am the chosen one. Smack. Him
and Harry can duke it out. Duke it out for sure.
There's a great Lego video of that Lego rap battle
between Harry Potter and Luke. You guys should
watch it later. It's great. Oh, yes. Yes. I also
think it's clear in the novels and comics moving
forward that Palpatine should feel immensely
grateful that Anakin got his limbs and therefore
a lot of midichlorians removed from his body
because he is not controllable. I think if he
has three out of four limbs instead of four out
of four all mechanical. All that blood means
that all those microorganisms have gone down.
So he has diminished his force abilities. This
is something that's covered in old EU as well.
When in old EU, Jason Solo, Han and Leia's kid
gets turned to the dark side by some Sith people.
And they're like, you'll be more powerful than
Vader. And he's like, there's no way. And they're
like, no, you will be because he was so much
mechanical. You actually have the living force
permeating through all of you. You are still
intact. Palpatine just barely can keep control
of Vader in the novels and the comics. And even
then, Vader's still plotting and doing all these
regular Sith stuff. But I think the fact that
he owes Obi -Wan flowers, at least, for like,
thank you for making this guy somebody I can
control. I mean, look how Anakin is able to control
the Mortis gods. Like, in all of that, you know,
I got to bring up the Mortis Ark again. Of course.
Like, Palpatine didn't stand a chance. Like,
if Vader had remained Vader in Anakin form, Palpatine
would have never stood a chance. There would
not have been 25 years of having him at his leash.
Yeah. Totally. Absolutely. Which is a little
bit confusing to me why Sidious, at this point,
before Anakin loses his limbs, is still trying
to recruit him and not – kill him as a rival,
because we've seen what he does to significantly
lesser rivals, Savage, just going in - Maul,
you know, just going in and essentially exterminating,
telling Dooku to kill Ventress, all of these
things, because he doesn't want any other Sith
to rival him, and he knows who he can control
and who he can't. And I feel like this is a big
oversight. In this moment, before he figures
out that he can control Anakin, I think it is
a big oversight for him to not just try to take
him out. But think about Luke's, like, this awesome
one -liner that he says to Emperor Palpatine
in Return of the Jedi. Your overconfidence is
your weakness. The Emperor hits him back and
says, your faith in your friends is yours, which
is a great burn and an incredible, like, Lucas
should be like, ow, when he says it, but he doesn't.
So I think his hubris is just Emperor Palpatine's
biggest thing. Also, Palpatine, Order 66 doesn't
work without Anakin. Anakin is the only Jedi
that can go into the Jedi Temple and murder everybody.
Like, anybody else, Maul, Savage, Ventress, Dooku,
they go in there and they die. Anakin is the
one powerful enough to go in there. And that's
down a limb. That's down like an eighth of his
body, basically. And I think in that early time
too, like when he first becomes Vader, like Palpatine
does still have so much like emotional control
over him. Yeah. And obviously we see that at
the end too, right? Like when, like what, you
know, at the end when he's, you know. finally
in his suit and everything. And, you know, Palpatine
knows to say to him, like, well, you killed Padme
in your anger. And then you just see how Vader,
you know, we talked about the no moment and how
he erupts and like literally Palpatine like smiles
because he's like this, he just has, I think
at that point, yeah, Anakin Vader is still too
emotionally driven and doesn't know the full
potential because his emotions are clouding a
lot of it. powerful force moments. And in that
moment where Palpatine is smiling, Vader is crushing
everything around him. And so he's like, wow,
look at, look at how powerful this guy is as
my enforcer. He is going to be the person that,
that goes around. And of course, by the time
we get to a new hope, Vader has gotten in enough
trouble with Palpatine that he's on Tarkin's
leash, not even Emperor's leash. So. It's, you
know, a kind of fascinating dynamic between the
two moving forward. But again, owes Obie flowers
for chopping him up. Oh, yeah, I think if that
never happened, this would be a totally different
story. Story, absolutely. It would be a totally
different character. Yeah. So, now we've reached
the end of the film, essentially. And I have
a good, and I have a bad, and I have a... And
ugly. And amusing. Dang it. A good, a bad, and
an amusing. So we'll start with the bad because
I want to end on a good note. So we'll start
with the bad, which is Padme just losing the
will to live will always bother me. I know. There's
the whole, it was Palpatine all along. But I'm
sorry. Even with that. You have this woman. She
is set up. She is this awesome queen. She is
amazing senator. She is making things happen.
She's fighting for what is right. She's fighting
for the Republic. Even when she is questioning
the Republic in general, she is still very attuned
to what is good and correct and lawful and all
of those things. And just because of a boy, she
decides that she's done. She dies of a broken
heart. And it just bothers me so much because
there is so much potential. She could have been
essentially the first Leia. We see that Leia
comes from Bail's upbringing of her and all of
that. But Bail and Padme were very, very close
in the Senate and were very aligned most times.
We're on the same committees. We're on the same
side fighting for the same things almost all
the time. So it's essentially kind of like the
same type of person raising her. And it bothers
me because Padme, if Padme lives instead, they
still can make Vader think that she's dead. She's
somebody else, whatever, whatever. We have seen
that she can disappear into a crowd of other
women and nobody's any the wiser. Now, whether
she can actually disappear from Vader, question,
question, question. But She had the potential
to be this absolutely fascinating character who
could have at least lived long enough for Leia's,
I still have memories of my mother, sentence
to make sense. And then she could have died later
on in this, you know, next however many years
it is, 20 years, 23 years, I think. Sometime
during these 23 years, she could have then died.
And she... could have gone out in spectacular
fashion, fighting for what is right. And it really
grinds my gears that we don't get that. I think
it's the whole what if, though. Because if she
didn't die, like, then would Luke, would he have
gone to Tatooine with his aunt, like, aunt -uncle?
Would Leia have gone with Belle? Like, there's
so many, like, what ifs. I think, like, if she
had to die in that moment, which I think for
the story she did, but, like... We could have,
like, she was in childbirth, right? Like, we
could have come up with a more maybe medically
driven reason why she didn't. I mean, she had
just been force choked. Hey, her larynx has been
crushed. Right. She had just been force choked.
Maybe there was oxygen deprivation. There's so
many things. She's brain dead. Right. She lost
the will to live. Like, it's just like she's
so much stronger than that as a character to
just be like, my boy turned on me. It's like
a really weird detriment to her motherhood as
well. That her love for her children does not
outweigh the loss of her heart for her husband.
I'm like, oh, so she can lose the will to live,
but she can't keep it to stick around for her
kids? That seems like not a great signal about
who she is as a person to me. Additionally, I...
This is a retcon. I think everyone can agree
to that. This is a retcon from Return of the
Jedi. And some people will say, oh, but Force
memories, and Leia has the Force, so maybe she
did remember her mom, and it's like... Okay,
but then I have a bridge to sell you, too, because
if we're going to go down the line of, like,
magical theory and how does the Force work, and
if you're going to turn this argument into the
mumbo -jumbo of, like, well, but the Force works
in mysterious ways, then we can't actually have
a debate about this. Like, Leia says she has
memories of her mom. Her mom is sad when Leia's
alive. Okay, fine. But don't give me this argument
of, like, it's not a retcon. This is a retcon.
We were made to believe that Leia knew Mom for
a little bit before she was adopted by Bail.
Yeah. And that's just simply not true. Mm -hmm.
Yeah. So moving to the good, the great, the amazing.
Duel of the Fates coming back, the fight on Mustafar,
10 out of 10 no notes. Yeah. Can some of the
dialogue maybe be a little stilted? It doesn't
matter. It doesn't matter, though. It doesn't
matter. Exactly. That's the point. It works in
that scene. Yeah. Exactly. It works in everything
about Mustafar works. From his hunting down of
the banking clan and the trade federation in
the moment that we get of Anakin savoring killing
Newt Gunray. All of that. So good. Works incredibly.
Obi -Wan showing up. The fan videos where they
play sexy back every time Obi -Wan's shown in
the background. They love that so much. Incredible.
Should be in the movie. I will say there's one
thing that I don't like about the Mustafar thing,
and it's Hayden Christensen's line reading of,
I'm now up in this register for all of my lines.
And I just like, I, for whatever reason, I'm
like, I'm out. I need gravitas, not helium. That's
his Vader voice. What do you mean? James Earl
Jones could never. I think even that, though,
works because he's still so overcome with emotion.
I understand the choice, certainly. Which really
messes with your voice. So I think, in general,
yeah. I mean, like I said, 10 out of 10. Yeah.
The whole sequence. And the fact that they, like,
this is not even headcanon. This has come from
the creators. The fact that Obi -Wan and Anakin
know each other so well that that's why some
of their moves aren't even missing because they're
countering each other in their head is just remarkable.
And the behind the scenes of Ewan McGregor and
Hayden Christensen rehearsing this are incredible.
They are so intense. And it really shows in the
act itself. It's incredible. Yes. So fantastic.
Moving to my last little point, the amusing.
Until the time is right, disappear we will. Except
you, Bale. You just keep doing you. The very
last – sorry, do you want to elaborate on that,
Sierra? Are you good there? I think that's fine.
The very last thing I'll say about this entire
movie is Ewan McGregor shares this wonderful
story about what it's like when he drops off
Luke to – Owen. So he, he has this whole like
sort of almost standup bit that he rehearses
for, for talk shows and everything where he's
like, yeah, you know, those movies could be really
confusing because everything was just like blue.
And so he would come over to you and he'd be
like, this is an alien camel. You're going to
sit on it. And so he'd go over and he'd sit on
the camel and be like, no, you're on backwards.
And it's just a rectangle. Like he doesn't know
which way is forward. He gets back on it and
they're like, okay, now walk. And he's like,
What do you mean walking? He's like, pretend
like you're moving. He's like, okay, I can pretend.
And you got a baby in your hand. Okay, I'll pretend
the baby's in my hand. And that's all the direction
he's getting, right? And so he's like, has no
idea what's going on. And he knows that Uncle
Owen and Aunt Beru are over there. And so he's
supposed to give the baby to them. And then he
goes back and he's supposed to sit on the camel.
And he sits on the camel. They're like, no, you're
sitting on it backwards. But that's like a production
assistant says that to him. So he's about to
change when George just starts shouting at him.
And now he forgets that it's suns he's supposed
to be looking at. But he goes, look at the moons.
Look at the moons. And he's like, where are they?
I don't know where they are. You haven't told
me where these moons are. Oh, just looking up
wildly to try. Just George Lucas shouting across
the side. Look at the moon. Yeah. You know, George
and his little bit lack of direction. Yeah, absolutely.
It's great. Well, I know we all just lost a hand
and some legs and we've burned some flesh, but
it's time to listen up with the ears that we
still have. It's the I am your father category
for most iconic. character moment and most important
character moment of this film. Okay. So I've
got for most iconic, I have one honorable mention.
I think that it is pretty iconic that when Yoda
enters Palpatine's office, which like, apparently
he has an office and it's just right at the bottom
of the Senate floor, uh, where he like does paperwork.
What paperwork are you doing, bud? Uh, that Yoda
enters and he just like smashes the Royal guards
behind him. That's an iconic Yoda moment. I think
the most iconic scene of the whole movie is Master
Anakin. There are too many of them. What do we
do? Fade to black. Yeah, for real. No, no disagreements.
100 % all agreed. Most iconic. I agree. I did
also add Obi -Wan's like I have the high ground
because I think that. Obviously, that line has
become pretty iconic. I think it's also like,
literally, he has the high ground, but also morally,
he also has the high ground there. You know,
double entendre. Yeah, we talked about, you know,
he still like refuses to kill Anakin. Coupled
with this, you know, the whole you were my brother,
Anakin, especially as a Clone Wars fan, that
line really hits me even more. So that's the
first thing I thought of. Yeah, actually, that's
I would I would caveat caveat. I would, I would
say that's it for sure. More than killing. Most
important character moment. I have Anakin choking
Padme. That was mine too. Yeah. It's the moment.
It's the moment that I actually believe that
he's Vader because this whole movie has been,
and his whole arc of his has been, I'm going
to save the woman in my life that I care most
about. And now he is literally doing the opposite.
This is literally Padme's life that he is now
threatening. This is the opposite of what he's
been apparently wanting to do the whole time.
This is, I think to me, like. Obviously, a lot
of things have happened leading up to this moment
that are very like sithy and dark side. He's
obviously murdered a lot of people. But I think
that this one act. Yeah, children, the younglings.
I can't unsee the memes about killing younglings.
And it's, you know, younglings, alcoholic beverage.
But I just can't unsee that now. But I think
this one act just really symbolizes. That he
is truly lost and he is fully descended. Because
yeah, to your point, the whole reason he descended
to this point was because of her and fear of
losing her. And now he's doing literally a thing
that could cause him to just lose her. Totally.
And he also doesn't have a he doesn't have like
an immediate reaction. Right. Like I think of
like when he goes to Mustafar originally and
kills all the separatists, we get that really
great scene of him after like kind of like crying
and having some tears. And I think it still shows
he's conflicted. Absolutely. He doesn't have
that reaction after watching Padme fall to the
ground. He's just, you know, there's nothing
there until much later on when he asks Palpatine,
like, where's Padme? Yeah. Absolutely. Agreed,
agreed. Everybody sit down. It's time for our
I am Iron Man. Most iconic and most important
scene category. Mustafar fight. Yeah. I mean.
Easy pick, done. Easy pick. As a bonus, though,
we are reaching into the archives to find that
Kamino isn't there. It's our Jack Sparrow did
what? for not quite deleted scenes that make
an impact on the story, but an alternate ending
for the Mustafar fight that could have been.
In my research, I stumbled across an interview
with Nick Gillard, the stunt coordinator for
the prequels, who revealed in an interview on
Star Wars Theory's YouTube channel that Obi -Wan
cutting off Anakin's limbs was almost choreographed
as an accident. That instead of him actually
cutting Anakin down and then picking up the lightsaber
and leaving him there, that it was supposed to
be an accident. The quote is, originally, they
swung off that great big rope and landed on the
side of the volcano on the lava right next to
each other. And then straight away, Anakin disarmed
him, Kenobi. Grabbed him by the throat. He has
got him. And Obi's lightsaber is down on the
ground. And Anakin says, I'm sorry it has to
be this way, my master. And lets the lightsaber
go. Obi -Wan hunches to get away from it. Tucks
his saber up and blocks it. And as he's pulling
his saber up, cuts through Anakin's arms almost
by mistake. And then chops through his legs almost
by mistake. The whole body. falls off its legs,
and it was more of a defense gone wrong. Gillard
continues. So this turns everything from him
purposefully cutting Anakin down into an accident
that would have caused Obi -Wan to feel this
amazing amount of guilt for what he has done.
And it's very, very interesting. I guess he also
goes on to explain that Hayden and Ewan, Went
to George Lucas and were like, George, we should
do this. But George ended up preferring the other
version that we got. And therefore, this was
not to be. But I think that is fascinating. It
could have been very, very interesting to have
that sequence instead. I got to say, that's the
first time that I've heard that information ever.
So well researched. But man, I prefer that version.
I prefer this broken hearted. Oh, no, I've. i've
hurt you version then then obi sort of and now
it is interesting because obi -wan in in a new
hope is a little bit more cold -blooded about
darth vader and he's very much sort of had it
feels like he's spent the last 20 years justifying
why darth vader should die but this is this is
way more in the in the realm of like the brotherhood
that the two of them have and what we get is
yeah what we get is obi -wan being like you forced
me to do this which is kind of what Anakin was
saying earlier. And I do like that juxtaposition
in what we actually have is him being like, Oh,
come on, man. Like you made me do this. Why did
you make me do this? But man, that idea of like,
Oh no permit, like this is permanent damage that
I've done is, Oh, I kind of wish it'd been the
other way. It's very interesting going into interviews,
finding interviews with, with Nick Gillard, because
And obviously, as the stunt coordinator, he has
so many different versions of everything. And
even in the version that we get, he had designed
the fight so that Obi -Wan is not actually trying
to kill Anakin. He's just trying to wear Anakin
down. He still thinks that he can save him. He
still thinks that he can talk sense into him.
And he's just trying to wear him down. And he
says in this other quote from a different article
that... He wrote the fight, I did write the fight
choreography like a husband and wife having a
fight. Anakin thinks Obi is maybe having an affair
with Padme at this point, so he's already gone
to the dark side. For Obi, it's just about trying
to absorb it long enough that he can get it back.
Yeah. Which already, I mean, is still so emotionally
impactful and really comes across because, you
know, Obi -Wan is still yelling at Anakin to
try to... knock some sort of sense into him and
you can see that he's not really going for the
killing blow and obviously he's not gonna kill
him you know and i think it's very clear that
even if he thinks he should because he said he
just can't do it so i think i i think the way
that the scene i actually agree that i kind of
wish it happened the way that you had mentioned
but i think the way that it happens to can still
be interpreted in a way um yeah you know and
i think especially like you know jumping forward
to like the obi -wan series and we get like that
really great um conversation between him it's
okay i was just gonna say the like with obi -wan
like you know saying to him like you know i have
failed you and i think like also if they had
done that scene and portrayed it in this very
accidental way that scene would even be, like,
have added layers to it more than it already
does. But I still think that it, like... I think
in a way it almost does read still a little bit
like I think you could interpret it as it being
a little bit of an accident. Like I think Obi
-Wan was trying to like maim him, but maybe not
maim him as bad. And I think about like right
when he then catches on fire and Obi -Wan like
grimaces and like looks away like, wow, I did
not mean for this to escalate to this. So it's
almost I feel like I could argue that they maybe
kept that a little bit in there, just maybe not
as. The essence of Obi -Wan still regretting
everything, I think, is right there. I think
it's perfectly in that mode. I think it's really
strange because he doesn't even put him out of
his misery. So he's like, all right, so you're
going to die. I'm just going to have to leave.
I can't watch this anymore. And then, of course,
he doesn't die. And then Palpatine shows up and
he's like, oh, my God, he's still alive. Yeah,
it would have been. He just couldn't kill him.
You're just going to kill him. So it was worse.
It was worse in the end. He literally tells Yoda,
you have to send me to kill Palpatine. I will
not kill Anakin. And Yoda's like, now you got
to go. And then he doesn't kill him. And Yoda's
like, what happened? He's like, I told you. I
told you exactly what would happen. God, I feel
like Dooku. I told you everything and you've
done nothing about it. Obi -Wan is nothing if
not a man of his word. Yeah, absolutely. Okay.
Crack open an encyclopedia, it's time for, as
Elijah Wood once said, no, how could we have
known category, where we discuss the most important
information disseminated to the fandom in this
movie. Okay, beyond the obvious, this is how
Anakin becomes Vader, we've got this information,
which was new to the fandom. Communing with Force
ghosts is like a super new thing, or... uh when
luke speaks to like obi -wan in a new hope it's
like this power has been around for like 20 years
bud that's it in the history of the force it's
either been rediscovered because yoda just forgot
everything from when he was a padawan or qui
-gon is literally the first person to figure
this out it just happens to be a cool thing that
luke can then utilize when he blows up the death
star but That was new, the fact that, like, people
don't commune with old Jedis. And, hey, Yoda,
by the way, I figured out how to talk to Qui
-Gon, and I'm going to teach you this. And then
we get, you know, that's part of Obi -Wan's show.
But I thought that was fascinating. That was
really new information for everybody. Yep. Time
to keep your horses safe. It's the, I'm going
to make him an offer he can't refuse, category
of best lines. As we have said, the lines are
not. necessarily the highlight of this film it
is the visuals and the story the visual storytelling
that we get however there are a few you are my
brother anakin classic it's a great one no nuts
really really conveys everything that needs to
be said in that moment potentially the most iconic
maybe not the best but the most iconic i have
the high ground which has another funny story
from nick gillard associated with it fun facts
guys So apparently, when they were doing production
on Revenge of the Sith, Hayden Christensen and
Nick Gillard lived right next to each other.
And they would often eat in this restaurant almost
like every night, he says, that was up a hill.
And you could either walk up the road and down
to the restaurant or you could walk across a
steep bank to it. And Gillard always wanted the
direct route. So he was going to go up the steep
hill. to have the high ground to get to this
restaurant. And Hayden always hated walking on
the slope. And so in his mind, Nick Gillard's
mind, that was about the higher ground. And if
he can get Anakin on the slope, then Obi -Wan
might have a chance. I love this. That's amazing.
I will also give a little bit of a Nick Gillard
story. So Nick Gillard, for the Chancellor Palpatine
fight, choreographed this, like, hugely intense
like all the Jedi are fighting a bunch and Palpatine
picks them off one by one and then him and Mace
are going at each other and they were just going
to digitally impose Ian McDermott's face and
Samuel L. Jackson's face on the actors that were
doing it like they did with Dooku in Attack of
the Clones George Lucas is the one who decides
no i i really want these two actors in it so
i don't we don't have to do we can do these big
long shots and we can do this fight which i'm
like part of me is like i prefer bigger longer
shots in choreographed fighting sequences at
the same time the fight's a little lame like
it's they do he does this awesome spin which
is from the original choreography and then it's
just hold on i'm not telegraphing at all that
i'm gonna stab you in the stomach buddy yeah
Just like, oh, down one Jedi, down another Jedi.
Kit Fissile lasts for three minutes and then
they have their fight. So I, you know, not, that
was a George Lucas decision, not a Nick Gillard
decision. The two lines that I have, this is
Obi -Wan Kenobi. The Chancellor is behind everything,
including the war. Yeah, yeah, dude. The war
is everything. Like, lest we not forget. Thank
you for that information. I laugh at that line
every time. And, uh... a personal favorite from
my point of view, the Jedi are evil, which is
something that my wife and I say quite literally
anytime we'll mumble it to each other. If anybody
else has said from my point of view, and then
we go from my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
Well, I had from my girl Padme. So this is how
Liberty dies with thunderous applause. Yes. I'm
so glad you remembered that. That is a great
line. So good. As she's sitting next to Bale.
Yeah. Her bestie. Besties. Yeah. If anybody's
having an affair with Padme, it's Bale. It's
Bale. If he didn't love his wife so much. Yes.
And also, like, this is such a pun, but, like,
people will bail on their marriage for Bale.
Yay! Okay, cut all of that. Okay. Time to board
the TARDIS. It's time to explore what ifs with
our get out category. What is the biggest what
if provided by this movie? Only one per person
do we allow ourselves. Okay. What if Dooku explained
everything to Anakin and Obi -Wan instead of
accepting his fate of death? What if he went,
wait, wait, wait, that guy, that guy's my master.
The guy right there, don't kill me. He's the
one in charge. I mean. Not maybe like that. He
had nothing to lose. He should have just said
it. He has nothing to lose. You're right. He
has absolutely nothing to lose. Now, I know that
he has already tried to tell Obi -Wan previously,
and obviously Obi -Wan didn't take him at his
word. However, I feel like repetition can't hurt
at this point. Just continue trying to explain
exactly what's going on. And they've been looking
for... This information from Dooku, who is your
master, if he just goes, yeah, it's him. Yeah.
They would at least pause. I think the Dooku,
even though the chin is exactly the same, doesn't
actually know that the Chancellor is his master.
I think in this moment he does. You think he's
aware? He's like, that guy. I think he's very
much aware in this, at least by now. He is very
much aware that it is the same person. And the
reason that I say this is not anything plot -wise.
It is purely based on the acting in the scene.
Because when they're questioning him, he looks
at Palpatine. Yeah. To be like, you're gonna
just let him kill me? Oh, that's the plan. You
just told him to kill me? Wait a second. Okay.
Hold on a minute. Like, you can see him process
that this was the plan all along. And so I think
definitely by this point he knows. Yeah, I...
Everything changes. I think that's what... The
problem with the what -ifs, right, is like...
Either not enough changes. Either not enough
changes or everything changes. And like, you
know, there's reasons why... Marvel has what
if episodes like we get to do a whole podcast
episode about what if I think in general, what
occurs is Palpatine kills Obi -Wan and has a
fight with Anakin and Obi -Wan dies. And then
Anakin is on the side of the Jedi and the war
goes on for much longer. Interesting. Yeah. I
posed the what if I didn't have an answer. That's,
that's my only thing is I don't think Obi -Wan
survives that encounter. If that occurs. I think
I would agree. Yeah. At least with that part.
Because remember, Yoda even says, and as much
as we don't trust Yoda, Yoda has a good judge
of abilities. He says you're not strong enough
to face this. It's true. So. Although maybe Dooku
plus Obi plus Anakin might equal Shreve's downfall.
Potentially. Maybe smokes out the faux poutine.
Maybe. I love that. I have a joking what if that
we're not going to actually answer because it's
not really one, so I'm not going to count it.
But what if literally any member of the Senate
happened to be in the Senate session room with
Yoda and Palpatine's fight? Because at this point,
it's already a galactic empire. So he's already
the emperor. And so they're just thinking that
this is a Jedi assassin. It's not actually going
to do anything different. But it would be funny
if, like, Binx was just there and Yoda was like,
I'll kill him now. I'm just thinking, like, they
have this entire room, this cavernous area. Just
one guy kind of, like, poking out from his pod.
Was hanging out after the last meeting. Oops.
Fell asleep. Could you fill out these requisition
forms? I'm so sorry. Hung out after the last
meeting in their little pod and then just, like,
creeped up, like, what is going on? Yeah. Hey,
Jabba was sending an invoice. I just, I need
you to sign this. That's funny. My what if is,
what if Obi -Wan actually does the right thing
and puts Anakin out of his misery? Like, how
quickly does the Empire fall? Does, like, what
happens? What occurs after that? Anakin's dead.
There's no Vader. But there's still Palpatine.
Yeah. I think it's so difficult to answer that
one because we have 20 years of... kind of unknown
yeah we skip so much time there where the empire
is just growing and is just taking over everything
and we don't see the details of how much of that
is done with vader at the helm of all of those
moments obviously he is very powerful and Palpatine
is sending him to essentially do all of his dirty
work and all of that. But the things that he's
being sent out to do could potentially someone
else have accomplished them. Well, a lot of them
is killing Jedi that have survived because we
went from everybody in Order 66 dies to actually
there's there's a lot of people who have lived.
And some of that's great. So I will say to Sierra,
because you've been waiting to do a lot of this
stuff in, in line with everything. We do, we
do have a lot of Andor that explains and the
Obi -Wan show that explains in addition to, obviously
we have Rogue One, but there's all of these comics
as well that explain a lot of like Vader's hunting
down ex Jedi. Yeah. And I, I do wonder if the
Jedi order is reestablished under Obi -Wan and
Yoda and. They then are able to take out the
Empire much quicker. Potentially. Nicole, did
you have a what if? I mean, I had several, but
the one I'm going to bring up is because it's
kind of related to what we were just talking
about is like, okay, but what if Yoda had killed
Palpatine? We obviously just talked about, okay,
what if Anakin was out of the picture? Could
things still have progressed? But what if Palpatine
had gotten? So I love that because it also gets
into the argument of, is Palpatine draining Padme's
life force in order to put it into Anakin? And
if that is what your agreement is, then Padme
actually still lives. So is then Anakin savable
earlier? And does this whole thing happen? Because
Anakin has no governmental skills. He's not the
schemer that Sheev is. No, he's just like brute
force. Yeah, he's just like... I think he turns
more into like some of the Sith from like the
KOTOR games where it's like, I'm so consumed
with the dark side that I literally pass by a
planet and drain everybody of their life force.
I think Anakin becomes more of like a Sith God
rather than a Sith Lord who's running things.
Or if Padme's alive, then actually we get a happier
ending where he's still, no one actually makes
Anakin face his war crimes. But. Yeah, I think
that's really, really fascinating. Because I
really don't think we have an organized government.
No, I don't think so. Who would run it? Ah, I
had an idea. Okay. We're forgetting about the
Maul of it all. Oh, oh yeah. Maul wants to take
down Palpatine so that he can rise up. Yeah.
And I think that if Palpatine is out of the picture,
whether or not Anakin is... and able to raise
his children in a loving family, or is still
on the dark side, Maul becomes a much bigger
picture villain in the main everything. And I
guess we'll find out a little bit more about
what maybe that could look like in the Maul show.
I think Maul as Emperor would feel a lot more
like when Scar takes over and it's just like,
All evil henchmen everywhere. Like, it's just
the syndicates. It's just the criminal syndicates
ruling everything at that point. There's no government.
It's like, yeah, that's really funny. Incredible.
Good question. Rip open that candy wrapper and
show us your golden ticket. It's time for the
Veruca Salt Award for piece of memorabilia we
really, really need. I have a joke. It's a joke.
With like a burned and severed Anakin limb. Kidding,
kidding. For real though, I kind of want the
little visor communication device thing that
Obi -Wan and Anakin wear in the opening sequence
when they're in their ships. I just, I think
it's kind of a fun little piece of tech that
we don't get before or after. And I kind of want
it. I think the piece of memorabilia that I want
the most is Padme's Naboo ship, which is just
so cool and so stylish. And I just want to fly
around in that all the time. I don't, man, I
don't know. I think. I kind of want R2, because
obviously Anakin doesn't need him anymore. He's
abandoned him. Stay with the ship, buddy, he
says. And that's why R2 never stays with the
ship ever again. Ever again, because look at
what happened. And so I want to adopt R2 and
be a good mother to R2. To be clear, when we
first did this, like, what piece of memorabilia
do you want? It's always, for me, an actual working
droid named R2 -D2. But I have to do something
different for the listeners. Although now that
I'm saying that, I want one of those little lava
droids that is like harvesting lava that they
like hang on by their fingertips. Those poor
things. I changed my answer to that. I want to
save them from their lava life. I feel like they're
like the house elves of this universe. The floor
that I work on is literally lava. Can I go home?
All right. Dust off that card deck and get ready
to shuffle. It's our Joker category for who is
the MVP of this episode. Is it Obi again? I think
it's Bail Organa. Bail! Ooh! Pound for pound!
Ooh! Oh, that might be it. So, pound for pound,
if this is your first episode. Underrated MVP.
Oh, okay. So pound for pound arguments, if you
have not been with us or if you're Nicole and
you're listening to us for the first time, pound
for pound is like, you know, when they're describing
like basketball players or boxers and they'll
be like, all right, so like this guy who's seven
foot tall is the best, is the better player,
the better career. But pound for pound, like
when competing, like. Oh, so like Allen Iverson
pound for pound is the best basketball player
ever because he scored 30 points and he's like
five foot ten. Right. So we have these pound
for pound arguments where it's like he's not
for the amount of time that he's in the movie.
His impact. Oh, and I think Bail Organa might
actually be because he comes up. He adopts Leia.
He goes to check in on the Jedi. He offers Padme
assistance and service. He's. doesn't rats out
padme and anakin when he sees them publicly kissing
and confessing pregnancy stuff oh nicole nicole
you've got my soul i did not have that pre -prepared
going into this it just came to me well done
i love it that's yes the other arguments would
be it can't be anakin because he just kills young
children so and padme's been nerfed c3p is like
not in the movie at all Yeah, he's not important
here. He gets his memory wiped, so. And maybe
that's a downvote for Bail Organa. He's the one
that orders the memory wipe. That's also maybe
why he's the MVP. Sorry, I love C -3PO, but...
Can you imagine C -3PO with all of these memories
going into... What havoc he would... He would
combust. Like, he needed the memory wipe. His
whole brain would explode. Yes, it's too much.
He would have been assassinated, like, early
on, because he'd be blabbing to everybody who
Vader is. And this is why R2 was able to do everything.
Yeah, exactly. Because he is so trustworthy and
just... Yeah. Oh, man. I love it. Yeah, I think
so, because Yoda loses, Mace Windu loses, Cody
and Rex are losers. Bail is important, too, to
things that come after this story. He's like
the segue. And he's the one that gets Yoda and
Obi -Wan back in contact, which sends Obi -Wan
to the Jedi Temple to clear it for everybody
to not come home to get killed. And that's when
they find out who the apprentice is. Oh, it's
Bail. It's Bail. Bail Organa is the MVP. Wow,
Nicole. This is why you are forever Clone War
Nicole. I told you Revenge of the Sith is also
my jam. Yeah, for real. What a great pull. Well
done. So good. Well, today's public service announcement.
When leaving your best friend, brother child,
to die a horrible burning death by lava and removed
limbs, maybe make sure they're actually dead
so they don't come back as a horrifying middle
management in a new evil regime. Well done. A
huge, huge thank you, Nicole, for joining us
today. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you for having
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Don't forget to tip your adoptive fathers. Bail!
And fare thee well. Well, here we go. Anakin
de -arms Dooku and then kills him anyway at the
behest of Darkside using clearly the bad guy
Palpatine. Wait, what? Sorry, it's supposed to
be read like this. Then kills him anyway at the
behest of Darkside using clearly the bad guy
Palpatine. Oh, thank you. I was like, I was like.
I was like, on behalf of Darkside, using clearly
the bad guy Palpatine. I was like, wait, what?
Why is Darkside in this? He's Superman's villain.
What's happening? I'm so confused. Oh, it's like,
on behalf of the Darkside, using Palpatine. Yes,
yes. Darkside using clearly the bad guy Palpatine.
Oh, that's very funny. Goodness gracious. He
offers him a way to become greater than an ordinary
Jedi. Wait, hold on. I, like, screwed all of
that up. I'm sorry, you guys. It's late. You're
late. You're pregnant. It's all difficult. It's
hot. You just moved. It's a whole thing. It's
a whole thing. There we go. Stretching out like
an athlete. We've been doing all these character
episodes and stuff, and they don't have stories.
You are out of practice, certainly. Very out
of practice. Okay, let me try that again. Order
66 hits. Jedi die. Cue the overmark. Do you want
me to say it? Do you want to say it? I don't
care. You should say cue myself then. Our version
of ringing bells for when somebody dies is to
just go cue the overmark and then see who goes...
Nice. Okay, here we go. We got this, we got this,
we got this. We will get through this summary.
Obvious. Oh. I thought that said obvi. Obvi.
I'm so sorry for whoever's editing this. It's
going to be so difficult. Whether it's you, Britt,
or it's you, Aurelia, we are doing our best.
We're doing our best. You got this. Here we go.
It can only go up from here. Exactly. Woo. We
did it. Good lord. I mean, having just finished
this movie 10 minutes before recording, that
is pretty much exactly how it happened. That's
how it happens. We had Charlotte O'Sullivan of
the lovely, the lovely, the lovely Evening Standard.
Revenge of the Sith has definitely become more,
sorry. More. More. This movie has become ma -or
of the same shish. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. Okay,
sorry, hold on. Someone's, like, bringing in
their trash can right outside my window. Pause
for the bloopers. Say something funny. Bubbles.
Lima beans. My friend, she always told me there's
this foolproof way if you're feeling really,
really mad about something and you just need
to make yourself laugh, you just have to say
bubbles as angrily as you possibly can. Bubbles!
Yeah, that worked well. Well done. I know we
just lost some hands and some legs and we've
burned some flesh, but it's only a flesh wound.
It is time for our eye. I am your father. Why
am I doing a pirate voice? I am your father.
I am your father. All right. Here we go again.
My name is Inigo Montoya. I am your father. Hold
on. Sorry. Dogs are walking. Fun, fun facts and
ghosts. Fun facts, guys. Oh, my God. What's happening
in my room? Yes, I see you, puppy. Yeah, I know,
but you have loud clicky -clackies that my microphone
picks up. Yeah. Well, thank you for knocking
that over on my desk. People will bail on their
males for marriage. On their... Shut up! Shut
up! I completely did not hit the L on that. have
you guys seen that uh while we're waiting for
the dogs to move have you seen that video of
the owl in in mexico so in mexico people believe
uh there's a belief that owls are witches and
so there is this uh or at least in in certain
parts of mexico i'm not actually yeah i'm not
gonna make a blanket statement about the whole
country but There's this awesome video of this
group in a church. There's an owl up in the rafters
of their church, they realize. And so they start
trying to sing loudly to get the owl to leave.
And the owl wakes up and it's like, yeah, I like
this music. I'm staying forever. This is great.
I like this music. And so they're like trying
to sing it to get it to leave. And it's like,
I'm bopping to this. I have not seen that. That's
funny. Oh, look it up afterwards. It's a great
video. I just, the owl's just like, hmm. Yeah,
get it. I'm vibing. Yeah, exactly. An owl. An
owl in the rafter. What are you looking for?
The witch. It's there. It's there. With its eyes.
The owl of the rafter. It's there!