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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I am back. Your illustrious

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host, Sam Williams. I don't have a giant ego

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at all. And didn't need a dramatic. But we are

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back. We are back. We are done with season one.

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Stranger Things is dead and gone, and I never

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want to hear about it again. Conformity gate,

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never going to happen. But you know what will

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always be with us, Sierra? What's that? In our

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hearts is Star Wars. Yes. Don't sue us, please.

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John Williams, don't sue. Anyways, so that's

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parody. I'm not worried about John Williams.

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There's some other suing happy people out there.

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That's so true. John Williams probably personally

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doesn't care. Disney, we love you. Don't sue

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us. Today's episode, we will be bitingly blithering

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about Star Wars Clone Wars, seasons four through

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most of seven. What I mean by that is this. There

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is a show coming out in April. of 2026, if you

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happen to be listening to this episode in 2035,

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called Maul. It's an animated series. And this

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particular Clone Wars episode, we're focusing

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a little bit more on the Maul aspect. So anything

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to do with the Jedi Order, with Order 66 and

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Sidious' plan, and Maul himself. What that means

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is that we're not covering so much Anakin, Padme,

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Obi -Wan, Ahsoka. It's really sort of a bit to

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do with clone troopers because of Order 66. A

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lot to do with sort of the superfluous Jedi stuff

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on the side. A bit of Yodas and Dagobah. And

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then Maul, Ventress, Oppress. All of that shenanigans.

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So that you guys feel a little bit more prepared

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for Maul. Will we get to all the other stuff

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in Clone Wars? Absolutely, but in the specific

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character episodes. We've got one coming out

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for Ahsoka, Padme, Obi -Wan, and Anakin. So don't

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worry, we're going to get to all of that information

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in the coming weeks. Well, folks, we officially

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fandom shmandum. And without further ado, we

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will, as Roger Smith says, dive on in. Find your

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donut holes. It's time for our Knives Out category,

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where we sleuth out which storylines in this

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whole stinkin' show are the most vital to pay

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attention to, given our current focus. Indeed.

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We have the arc of the Jedi Krell. Boo. You have

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feelings? I have many feelings. You know them

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to be true? Do know them to be true. You don't

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agree with me, I'm concerned for you. Because

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he sucks. He's really quite egotistical, filled

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with hubris. Yes. Has no idea what he's doing.

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Has no sense of Jedi -ness to him. Is completely

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unempathetic. Is all about winning the war. To

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me, he's emblematic of what's wrong with the

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Jedi, but he is not the main reason why they're

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terrible. No. He is exactly what the Council

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has allowed to happen. They focused on this war,

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which is totally against the nature of Jedi,

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which is to be a part of the light side and to

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help the Force be in balance by being the protectors

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and guardians of the light. And instead, they've

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just sent out all their Jedi thin, like, what's

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the Bilbo quote there? Like, too much butter

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spread over too little bread or something of

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that nature. They're just completely all over

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the galaxy, pretty much in solo or in pairs at

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times. And they're not able to help each other

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to refocus on what matters to the Force, to themselves,

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to their code, and... They're just like generals.

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Here we go. My main strategy is to go and kill

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this other person, which seems so outside of

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what the Jedi Order is supposed to be. Well,

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and I also feel like, especially in this case,

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there's nobody to hold him accountable. Because

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at least with some of these other Jedi, there's

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some sort of oversight. But because of the situation

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where Anakin gets called away, and... Master

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Krell has to step in to be in this position.

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And all of these clones are used to more of a

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camaraderie with their generals. Being able to

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actually communicate and have ideas and having

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a general who thinks of them as people and soldiers,

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but people, not essentially human versions of

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droids. Because that's how Master Krell is viewing

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all of them, is just as expendable. as something

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that is just meant to go send out there and no

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big deal if they all die oh well I have to take

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this base and that's what I'm going to do and

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if you all die not just so be it but good because

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you're not worth it and that's when you see the

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twist of Krell going from you guys are expendable

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and that's okay to You guys are expendable and

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I'm happy about it. Yeah. That is when I literally

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sit there just cringing and pulling at my face

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and just so angry for so long because he is so

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horrible. And the clones have no recourse. No

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recourse. They have no one to turn to. They have

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no one to... really go to. And I even put what

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I was watching and I was putting in my notes

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and I was going, report him, report him right

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now. Now is your moment. And it's, it's really

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rough because you get also the idea from the

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clones. Rex and Fives have this conversation

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where Rex says, we are soldiers. We have a duty

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to follow orders. And if we must lay down our

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lives for victory. Fives questions that. Do you

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believe that? Or is it what you were engineered

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to think? To which Rex responds, I honor my code.

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That's what I believe. Which I think is very

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interesting, both from a soldiers following orders,

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but also having to respect their own personal

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code. But then also a call to do what we'll see

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in a little bit with Order 66. literal code being

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programmed? And is that what you're engineered

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to think? Kind of like an insinuation that there

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are some things that they actually don't have

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control over as much as we want to think of them

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as individual people, because that's how the

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show does such a fantastic job of portraying

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them. Yeah, and Dee Bradley Baker's voice acting

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for all the different clones and bringing them

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to life on the show is phenomenal. And I feel

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like if we're picking an MVP of this season,

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it's Dee Bradley Baker specifically. Not necessarily

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any character, but his ability to voice so many

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different clones with so many different personalities

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and so many different intonations is just phenomenal.

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I will say this. There's a lot of interesting

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things to be said about the clones and this arc

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and then the next arc that we're doing on Tup

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says them effectively, which is like these are

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grown beings meant for a war, but they come with

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all the feelings, all of the passions of a human

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being. of Jango Fett's code. And you can see

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all the different variations that Jango could

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have had and Boba could have had, had they, had

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he pursued some different life. You know, we

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run into clones on this show that are, you know,

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living with a family. And something that they

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don't really touch upon too much in this show,

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which I find fascinating and unethical. I mean,

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I find the whole process of a clone army unethical

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at the end of this initial first watch, right?

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Because this show makes you ask the questions

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of like, is this right? Did they do the right

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thing by making a clone army? No, they didn't,

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is the answer. You should not manufacture human

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beings with real emotions. uh in order to and

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they even suppress the gene in jango that makes

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him rambunctious right but ultimately i think

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one of the big questions that we should all have

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is like why is no one going to war crimes for

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shortening their lifespan they get half the amount

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of time That a normal human would be. And this

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isn't quite like, okay, well, Yoda species gets

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to live for 900 years, but humans are only 100.

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This is like, they are around their compatriots.

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Humans are one of the biggest races in this galaxy.

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And they are actively aware that, first of all,

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they may be killed within 13 years of being created.

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Right. But also, even if they did live, they

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can only get to 50 at best? Which... We will,

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although you have not yet seen this. We will

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all see what old clone troopers look like in

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Rebels. Mm -hmm. And I think that's also something

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that's mimicked in another quote from one of

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the clones. I can't remember exactly who says

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it, if it's Fives or who, but someday this war

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is going to end. And then what? We're soldiers.

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What happens to us then? And I think that that's...

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twofold here because not only are they soldiers

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and that's all they know and that's all they

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were made for and one day the war is going to

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end and now what are they supposed to do they

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just are let go into the world are they going

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to be exterminated they don't know and they don't

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necessarily know if they even have a purpose

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outside of whatever this war is and even if they

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did will they live long enough to see it yeah

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And so it's very interesting, and it also is

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reflected definitely in reality. Yeah. I think

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this is when Star Wars is at its best, to me,

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is when it's commenting on current or universal

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politics. The bringing down of democratic institutions

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to create a dictator is something that has happened

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in history. I'm sure it will be attempted more.

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hopefully is never successful, but most likely

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at some point will be successful. And you can

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see the signs in this prequel trilogy, right?

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We'll talk a lot about it in our Revenge of the

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Sith movie. But in this particular moment, they're

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commenting very bravely, I feel, especially for

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2012 -ish time is when seasons four, five, six

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are coming out. about our very poor care of veterans

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today, right? There's a lot that can be done

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for veterans and very little and funding that

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continues to get pulled within Congress. And

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this question of what's going to happen to us

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then is a question that so many soldiers, so

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many people in the armed forces can ask. And

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instead of helping them out like we should, we

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often are like, all right, cool. Thanks for your

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service. Bye. And I mean, of course, there are

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great charities out there. There's the VA, which

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is very helpful for medical stuff. And so it's

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not like we do nothing, but we can always do

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more. And I think that this show is really, really

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good in making that question hit and hit hard.

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And I also, you know, kind of going back to Krell.

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And his role in all of this and his engineering

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of just the horrible practice of he engineers

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this whole clone on clone fight, which is genius

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in a horrible manner. He tells each group of

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clones that the other has been overrun and the

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enemy is using their armor and they're on this

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planet that is dark and dingy and difficult to

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see. It's already a chaotic situation. And then

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they realize they're fighting each other. And

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when finally caught, Krell says that he's no

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longer naive enough to be a Jedi. Very Dooku

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-coded. Exactly. It's very Dooku -coded. And

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that as part of the New World Order, he will

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rule as part of it. And I think that's... I think

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that is naive because he says he's no longer

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naive enough to be a Jedi. You know, there's

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all this other stuff out there and there's better

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that he can have. And it's all very materialistic

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that he doesn't have to follow this kind of code

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of ethics anymore. And he can go and do what

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he wants and be part of this new world order

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that he will be part of the ruling class of it,

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which if he actually knew anything about. this

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new world order, he would know he's not getting

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anywhere near a ruling position. So he's very

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naive in saying that he's not naive anymore.

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He's the worst sort of person to be around. Because

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it's too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

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And that's so difficult to deal with when those

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people are in powerful positions. Because you're

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like, oh man, I can't say anything against this.

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And you're going to be able to boss me around.

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But man, are you going to get me and yourself

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in trouble. You just don't know it. Right. So

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rewatching Clone Wars this time around has made

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me like sort of full stop, no apologies, agree

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with Luke Skywalker in Rise of Skywalker. Or

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not Rise of Skywalker, in Last Jedi. Luke says

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very famously in that movie, it's time for the

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Jedi to end. And I very much agree that the way

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that the Jedi were, and he says this part to

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Rey. He says at the height of their powers, they

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let, you know, Emperor Palpatine take over. And

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destroy them from within. It's time for that

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version of the Jedi to end. The version where

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Krell is in charge. Think that he's going to

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be one of the next rulers. And casually toss

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his life away. The one where Mace and Yoda and

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Ki -Ada -Mundi and Plo Koon can't figure out

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who the heck the Chancellor. That the Chancellor

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literally right in front of them is the Sith

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Lord. Who enables Anakin to... like remove himself

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from the Jedi path and become this powerful force

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for evil, that Jedi order, the hubris and the

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lack of direction towards the light side, absolutely

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should stop. So I don't disagree with that. I

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disagree with the messaging that Luke has, where

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it's like, it's time for the Jedi to end. Wait,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That

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version of the Jedi, absolutely. Luke, I am in

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total agreement with you, but not the whole Jedi

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order. No. He's being a little exaggerative.

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But he's Luke. He's been dramatic his whole life.

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Exactly. We'll get to him eventually. One day,

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we'll have a conversation about Luke Skywalker

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and his whiny attitude. But he does make a good

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half point of. There is this whole section and

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basically there was a golden age of Jedi where

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things actually ran as they should, but they

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were forced into this situation where they needed

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to fight a war that they were not prepared to

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fight. Jedi were not meant to fight a war. They

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were not meant to be generals. They were not

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meant to do all of this. They're supposed to

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be peacekeepers. And that's something that we

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see throughout Clone Wars. individual Jedi warring

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with that within themselves within each other

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you know Obi is very much on the side of no we're

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supposed to be peacekeepers and then you get

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Satine on the very far side of that going well

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a peacekeeper isn't even going to fight period

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why are you fighting and then you also get Anakin

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on the other side going we're not doing enough

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so we actually have to squash The only way that

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we keep peace is by murdering them completely

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and also get rid of all the red tape. And that's

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definitely not the definition of fascism. No,

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definitely not. But it's what he's known. Yeah.

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So it's a difficult situation for all of them

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involved. And it unfortunately just causes the

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Jedi Order, as it should be running, to completely

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crumble. Absolutely. So during the Krell arc.

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we actually start getting a little bit of hints

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on the next big mystery, which is, as I like

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to call it, the Tup arc, because we are introduced

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to Tup within the Krell arc, and now he has his

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own arc, which is essentially how the Jedi almost

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discovered Order 66 and completely forgot to

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follow up on it. So, the big mystery begins,

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and it just kills you because... you know they

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don't figure it out because Order 66 happens.

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So Order 66 is shown to be this programmed thing

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in all of the clones. It's not some sort of training.

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It's not them following orders blindly. It is

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something that is implanted in them and they

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have no choice in the matter. We have thoughts

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on this, but I'm going to keep going and we'll

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circle back. Tup is a clone who, during a battle,

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turns on a Jedi. He has some sort of a malfunction

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or a virus, they potentially think, that has

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caused him to turn on one of his Jedi generals

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and kill her. This sparks an entire investigation

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into why this has happened. He's brought back

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to Kamino. Shaak Ti, who is one of the Jedi in

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charge of the clones on Kamino, blindly trusts

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the Kaminoans' explanation of what is going on.

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That it's some sort of virus, and this is a one

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-off situation, it'll never happen again, and

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we better exterminate him, lest he give the virus

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to everyone else, especially Fives, who... Was

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with him, therefore he probably is infected as

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well. We wouldn't want the Jedi all killed by

00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:09.500
clones, would we now? Yes, we would not want

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anything like that. Don't spread your virus.

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Exactly. So Fives is going, there's something

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else going on here. He's not dying of some sort

00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.519
of virus. There's no virus. I'm not infected

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in a, in, I'm not infected by anything. Tup isn't

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infected by anything. There is something wrong

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in his brain. And Shakti is just going, no, that

00:20:35.589 --> 00:20:38.190
can't possibly be it because the Kaminoans said

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no. And then this continues because Yoda is completely

00:20:44.470 --> 00:20:47.670
trusting as well. Yeah. And is just going, oh,

00:20:47.750 --> 00:20:50.190
well, this is exactly how we have to do it. And

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this is all the procedure that we have to follow.

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And we'll just do that. Meanwhile, Fives is having

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to conduct his investigation into what has gone

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on with Tup. He figures it out. He finds the

00:21:03.619 --> 00:21:06.460
chip. And then again, the Kaminoans are going,

00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:08.279
oh, well, this is what that chip's for. It's

00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.099
no big deal. And then they just believe them

00:21:11.099 --> 00:21:17.880
again. And it just kills me because then we also

00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.940
bounce back to Palpatine, who is... As good as

00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:25.319
wringing his hands together, cackling maniacally,

00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.119
and yet no one's picking up on it. He tells his

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whole plan to Fives. He does. He tells him everything.

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And nobody thinks to look twice. And we love

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Fives, and we don't want him in danger, but Tup

00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.140
and Fives basically are, like, sacrificed for

00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:47.019
this plot that never truly comes to fruition.

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Because... It can't because this is part of the

00:21:51.690 --> 00:21:57.529
plot of the prequel trilogy and we can't give

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it away now. And so the whole thing is just working

00:22:01.849 --> 00:22:04.369
up to, well, what's going to happen? Well, I

00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:07.309
know what's going to happen. This isn't nothing.

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And it's just, it's so frustrating because we

00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:15.170
know there's a chip. We know it's implanted.

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We know that the clones were created in conjunction

00:22:18.450 --> 00:22:21.309
with Dooku's instructions. Right, they find that

00:22:21.309 --> 00:22:24.329
out. They find out Dooku is the one who instructed

00:22:24.329 --> 00:22:27.109
this. Exactly. And then they just aren't going

00:22:27.109 --> 00:22:30.210
to double back on that ever. Listen, there's

00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:32.450
a whole thing with Yoda's thing as well, where

00:22:32.450 --> 00:22:35.490
it's like, wait, you guys had literally all the

00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:37.869
pieces. Also, Obi -Wan, and Dooku says this to

00:22:37.869 --> 00:22:40.299
Obi -Wan, Dooku's like, I told you everything

00:22:40.299 --> 00:22:42.779
you needed to know back on Geonosis. Yeah, you

00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:44.960
kind of did. And Obi -Wan is just - No, he dies!

00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.980
Obi -Wan's just too led by the Jedi Council to

00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:53.980
have anything happen. It's so frustrating. Okay,

00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:57.039
so let's wheel it back for a second. So right

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at the beginning of this, the main thing that

00:22:58.819 --> 00:23:04.960
we find out is that Order 66 is programmed. It

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.920
is a chip - implanted into the brains of clones

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that will physically force them, unless they

00:23:11.500 --> 00:23:15.140
remove the chip, which will come up later, it

00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:18.559
physically forces them to obey the order to kill

00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:25.480
all Jedi. I, as I posted on TikTok several weeks

00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:33.440
ago, it was today. But you don't know that. I

00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:39.349
hate this. And I feel very similarly about this

00:23:39.349 --> 00:23:42.970
as I do Maul returning, which is, I hate this,

00:23:43.049 --> 00:23:45.769
but what they do with it, I think is good. Do

00:23:45.769 --> 00:23:48.470
I wish it happened in the first place? No. Am

00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:51.789
I glad about the outcome? Sure. But I think that

00:23:51.789 --> 00:23:55.589
ultimately George Lucas is not a big fan of the

00:23:55.589 --> 00:23:59.150
U .S. military industrial complex. I think he

00:23:59.150 --> 00:24:02.210
supports troops like any... good -hearted individual

00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.630
where he's like individual people yes i support

00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:07.269
them but i don't support the means and methods

00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.009
of politics to remove freedoms from people around

00:24:10.009 --> 00:24:12.829
the globe one of the things and that's very clear

00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:15.329
in a new hope right that is a that is a parallel

00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:18.009
between the vietcong and the u .s military industrial

00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:21.269
complex of the vietnam war which he was bigly

00:24:21.269 --> 00:24:25.269
against and wrote a a movie during the end of

00:24:25.269 --> 00:24:28.130
that war that became star wars i hate this because

00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:31.569
I think that this takes away from the punchiness

00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:34.609
of the initial message of Revenge of the Sith,

00:24:34.809 --> 00:24:39.009
which is when you condition soldiers to follow

00:24:39.009 --> 00:24:42.269
orders without question, they become a tool for

00:24:42.269 --> 00:24:45.710
great evil if given into the wrong hands. So

00:24:45.710 --> 00:24:48.269
that conditioning soldiers without a morality

00:24:48.269 --> 00:24:53.930
to just blindly follow orders is not a good idea.

00:24:54.049 --> 00:24:56.809
It's essentially the main message of the Order

00:24:56.809 --> 00:25:01.049
66 moment. And that initial meaning and messaging

00:25:01.049 --> 00:25:04.869
is lost when you input this. Now, I understand

00:25:04.869 --> 00:25:08.470
why Filoni does it. He spends six seasons building

00:25:08.470 --> 00:25:12.029
up these wonderful relationships with Cody and

00:25:12.029 --> 00:25:15.049
Rex and Fives and the loyalty that they have

00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:16.950
with Obi and Anakin and the camaraderie that

00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:20.589
they have with each other. And by doing so, they

00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:23.950
create a plot hole. I've seen a lot of online

00:25:23.950 --> 00:25:25.710
discourse that people are like, yeah, there was

00:25:25.710 --> 00:25:27.819
this plot hole and they fix it. The plot hole

00:25:27.819 --> 00:25:31.319
is created by this show. Right. And then they

00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.960
fix it. Which, okay, great. That's fine. I understand

00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.440
why you'd want to do that. And also, obviously,

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.759
the U .S. military, those who are Star Wars fans,

00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.559
really love the clones. And I think it would

00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.440
have been really hard to swallow that pill after

00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:43.859
this show. Just being like, no, they're just

00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:48.400
following orders. But I do loathe to lose that

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.839
initial messaging. So, I have different opinions

00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:59.069
on this. Mainly because... When I watched Revenge

00:25:59.069 --> 00:26:03.430
of the Sith before having seen Clone Wars, I

00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:08.309
already had that idea in my head of this must

00:26:08.309 --> 00:26:13.769
have been something programmed. So I never was

00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:18.930
of the kind of mindset that they're just so highly

00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:21.470
trained to follow orders that they will follow

00:26:21.470 --> 00:26:24.210
any order. And I think where that really comes

00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:27.789
in for me is the immediacy with which all of

00:26:27.789 --> 00:26:32.609
the clones turn. So there's no hesitation in

00:26:32.609 --> 00:26:36.289
any of them. There's no moment of, is that really

00:26:36.289 --> 00:26:38.750
the order that just came through? There's no

00:26:38.750 --> 00:26:44.049
anything. So in my mind, when watching, it was

00:26:44.049 --> 00:26:47.769
clear to me, which clearly it shouldn't have

00:26:47.769 --> 00:26:51.029
been because that was not the initial plot point.

00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.660
To me, it came across that, yes, these engineered

00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:59.500
individuals were programmed with this kind of

00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:02.119
secret hidden directive. Maybe I've seen too

00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.940
many robot movies, whatever the case may be.

00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:07.940
But there's a secret hidden directive going on

00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:10.559
that even the clones themselves don't know about.

00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.000
And so when they're given the order, it immediately

00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:18.480
triggers that thing. So that they have to respond.

00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:20.559
And so whether that was a brainwashing thing

00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.119
or an actual physical chip that was implanted,

00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:26.599
like they say in Clone Wars, I hadn't fully processed

00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.740
whatever that was. But there was some sort of

00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:33.519
a programming that caused this to happen. And

00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.680
it was not just highly trained. So I want to

00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.799
be clear here. And we are parsing hairs a little

00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.720
bit here. I do think that. soldier conditioning

00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.599
and there is like psychological academic literature

00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.180
about like how close what we do in the military

00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:52.960
uh and brainwashing are in terms of the training

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.500
that happens and some would some would argue

00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:57.839
that some of the conditioning that happens with

00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.619
soldiers especially at higher levels is brainwashing

00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:03.839
i'm not one of them but i i do want to be clear

00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.180
that i do think the clones are brainwashed into

00:28:08.100 --> 00:28:12.420
following order 66 but i think that that the

00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:15.200
brainwashing part of it rather than the actual

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.420
physical limiter is where i it loses the messaging

00:28:19.420 --> 00:28:22.700
for me i like cody is chumming it up with obi

00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:24.779
-wan and then he's like order 66 boom i'm gonna

00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:27.759
kill you i think that that's clear clearly brainwashing

00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.980
and i think that that is an illusion a more dramatic

00:28:30.980 --> 00:28:34.859
illusion but an illusion to uh how lucas feels

00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:38.619
about what we do in the military I just think

00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:41.119
that as soon as you make it physical, where it

00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.000
is a chip in the brain, I do think that that

00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.539
takes away the courage of that initial messaging

00:28:46.539 --> 00:28:49.279
by sort of having a cop out with, well, they

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.059
were forced to, instead of being like, no, they've

00:28:52.059 --> 00:28:55.240
been so highly conditioned, engineered into this.

00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.700
And that difference between it being psychological

00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:01.259
versus physical is where that I get unhappy.

00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.539
Yeah. I mean, you said, you know, we're kind

00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:10.140
of parsing. For me, at that level, it's the same

00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:13.059
thing. There might as well be an actual physical

00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:17.539
chip in there if you are so conditioned to one

00:29:17.539 --> 00:29:21.319
specific, you know, as I said, like, hidden directive,

00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:25.200
basically. Because if you have those, it's like

00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:30.059
sleeper agents, essentially. So, you know, you

00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:33.089
hear the code word. And immediately all of the

00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:36.109
training kicks in and all of the whatever you're

00:29:36.109 --> 00:29:39.829
supposed to do or whatever that is. And I feel

00:29:39.829 --> 00:29:44.269
that on that level, it almost doesn't matter.

00:29:44.630 --> 00:29:49.670
There's no real difference from a – I get that

00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:52.130
the messaging is slightly different. Yeah. But

00:29:52.130 --> 00:29:55.509
in terms of the actual plot and the characters

00:29:55.509 --> 00:29:57.990
and everything, I feel like from their standpoint

00:29:57.990 --> 00:30:00.950
within the world, it's essentially the same.

00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.759
I don't disagree with that. I think the impact

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.599
on the screen is essentially the same, whether

00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.460
there's a chip in their brain or whether or not

00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:12.279
they've been conditioned. But the problem that

00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.400
I'm having is that I'm discussing the overall

00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.259
real world thematic messaging of this movie,

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.779
which this moment is so powerful to me because

00:30:20.779 --> 00:30:25.160
it is a commentary on when soldiers follow orders.

00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:28.480
And that's sort of where it's lost by putting

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.690
the chip in the brain. Gotcha. That makes sense.

00:30:31.849 --> 00:30:36.190
Well, we get this wrapped up in kind of this

00:30:36.190 --> 00:30:41.190
really heartbreaking quote by Tup, and I believe

00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:45.190
Fives as well, kind of mimics it at the same

00:30:45.190 --> 00:30:49.190
time. The mission, the nightmare, they're finally

00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:53.269
over. And it's very interesting because this

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:57.289
is a nightmare to them. The mission that they

00:30:57.289 --> 00:31:00.720
do not want to complete. Yeah. To kill. The Jedi.

00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:07.480
Yeah. And this nightmare of being forced to fight

00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.240
those that they care about and that they have

00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.599
grown to respect and cherish. And it's finally

00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.359
over. But then also the mission of this war,

00:31:17.539 --> 00:31:20.299
the mission that they've been set to for their

00:31:20.299 --> 00:31:23.500
entire lives, the nightmare of war, the nightmare

00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:26.660
of having to constantly live in fear and fight.

00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:31.920
It's finally all over. Yeah. Which is the only

00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:37.940
way out that 99 % of the clones get. So upsetting.

00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.660
I love the clones so much. So then we move to

00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:51.640
Maul. Maul returns in this selection of seasons.

00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:58.359
So this all starts off with Dooku being... kind

00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:02.180
of voluntold by Palpatine, go kill your little

00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:04.700
side project there. And he's like, I don't, I

00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:06.519
have a mistress, not an apprentice. And he's

00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.740
like, no, no, you have an apprentice. That's

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.799
way worse. And he's like, ah, okay. So Dooga

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.559
goes and sets this trap up for Ventress. She

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.799
falls to the trap, but she is not killed. And

00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.900
so she flees back to the only place that she

00:32:19.900 --> 00:32:23.519
kind of maybe has ever known, Dathomir, which

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.480
is the home of one Darth Maul. At one point.

00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.799
So the Dathomirians are set up in a... The Dathomites,

00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.839
the Dathomons, the Dathomades. I don't know what

00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.319
their names are. They are set up in a matriarchal

00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.359
society. They're the Nightsisters, which are

00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.599
this... Maybe Force users? It's kind of unclear.

00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.740
In the old canon, they were Force users. In this

00:32:45.740 --> 00:32:49.859
new canon, it's a bit of hocus -pocus. A bit

00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:52.819
of wibbly -wobbly magical stuff in the science

00:32:52.819 --> 00:32:55.059
fiction world. Anyways, they're a matriarchal

00:32:55.059 --> 00:32:58.670
society. So she goes back, Ventress does, meets

00:32:58.670 --> 00:33:01.710
the Nightsisters, and eventually picks up her

00:33:01.710 --> 00:33:05.849
own apprentice to get revenge on Dooku. Because

00:33:05.849 --> 00:33:07.549
apparently that's all Sith can do is get revenge.

00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:13.589
We get to meet Savage Opress, who is, you didn't

00:33:13.589 --> 00:33:16.490
guess it, Maul's brother. Because that is the

00:33:16.490 --> 00:33:18.890
thing that they've decided to tell us about.

00:33:19.309 --> 00:33:22.069
Ventress trains up Oppress. They go after Dooku,

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:23.849
who's in exquisite pajamas when they attack.

00:33:24.349 --> 00:33:29.089
One of the best skins on Battlefront 2. And what

00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:33.230
happens is Oppress eventually leaves Ventress.

00:33:33.289 --> 00:33:37.609
Because he finds out his brother, Maul, is still

00:33:37.609 --> 00:33:40.890
alive. Now, this was controversial at the time.

00:33:41.009 --> 00:33:43.250
This is less controversial today. But I will

00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:47.470
say what I said for Order 66 change. I hate...

00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.220
That this happened. And I love what they did

00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:54.599
with it. Yes. The reason why I hate what's happened

00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.480
is the same reason why I hate any of the did

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.160
they, did they die, did they not die stuff in

00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.660
Avengers MCU world. Because in Avengers the MCU,

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.880
death at one point just didn't matter. It was

00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.480
like, oh no, actually this character did leave.

00:34:10.659 --> 00:34:12.780
What was the guy from Avengers that got stabbed

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:15.989
by Loki in the heart? And then he actually lived

00:34:15.989 --> 00:34:19.030
and he was on Agents of Shields for like seven

00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:22.190
seasons. But they use his death as the catalyst

00:34:22.190 --> 00:34:24.610
to bring them all together. It was. Yeah, exactly.

00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:27.590
It was just. And then death suddenly didn't matter.

00:34:27.670 --> 00:34:29.429
And then they made a whole movie about how death

00:34:29.429 --> 00:34:30.829
didn't matter because everybody dies at the end

00:34:30.829 --> 00:34:32.710
and then they come back. Spoilers for Avengers,

00:34:32.949 --> 00:34:34.909
which came out like 10 years ago at this point.

00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:41.289
Death in Star Wars matters. And did. It mattered

00:34:41.289 --> 00:34:45.670
for a long, long time. Obi -Wan dies, and he

00:34:45.670 --> 00:34:47.449
actually dies. There's still a Force ghost, so

00:34:47.449 --> 00:34:49.650
we can still talk to him, but he's dead. He cannot

00:34:49.650 --> 00:34:52.469
physically come and do things, although Rise

00:34:52.469 --> 00:34:55.190
of Skywalker has Yoda control some lightning,

00:34:55.269 --> 00:34:58.590
and that's very confusing. But Obi -Wan dies,

00:34:58.750 --> 00:35:02.869
and then Darth Vader dies, and Palpatine dies,

00:35:03.130 --> 00:35:08.090
and Maul dies, and Qui -Gon dies, and people...

00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.099
Die. And they stay dead. Even though there's

00:35:11.099 --> 00:35:13.780
some metaphysical discussion. But that doesn't

00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:18.760
bother me. It's Maul died. He was gone. And then

00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.159
they brought him back. Now this is a Lucas idea.

00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.179
And I still have giant qualms with it. Because

00:35:25.179 --> 00:35:28.719
it just starts to be like. Okay. So then who

00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.599
else survived? Oh Palpatine it turns out. And

00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.199
that's where I get. Somehow. I get really. Well.

00:35:37.929 --> 00:35:41.610
And I'll say this very quickly. There is, in

00:35:41.610 --> 00:35:44.550
old Legends stuff, there are some really good

00:35:44.550 --> 00:35:47.409
stories about Palpatine attempting to bring back

00:35:47.409 --> 00:35:51.849
clones of himself. But it's a whole story dedicated

00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:55.829
to that. So Rise of Skywalker's ending is like

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:58.469
a finale to a movie series that they didn't actually

00:35:58.469 --> 00:36:01.349
create. And now they're trying to explain it

00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:03.349
away. You'll see when you watch The Mandalorian

00:36:03.349 --> 00:36:05.570
and stuff. There are bits and pieces as to how

00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:08.030
cloning is going on and what they need midichlorian

00:36:08.030 --> 00:36:13.329
blood for, etc., etc. But this idea of death

00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:16.730
not mattering is a killer, in my opinion, to

00:36:16.730 --> 00:36:23.789
big franchises. And so when I seriously was out

00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:26.030
on Clone Wars when they brought back Maul, I

00:36:26.030 --> 00:36:29.090
didn't watch anymore until six years later. That's

00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:32.789
so funny. I had an maybe not opposite reaction,

00:36:32.989 --> 00:36:38.130
but I do agree. I think that in a series, if

00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:40.469
you're not going to have death mean anything,

00:36:40.650 --> 00:36:46.110
there's no stakes. And it really lowers any fight

00:36:46.110 --> 00:36:49.769
that I watch now in some big franchise. I just

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:54.650
go, well, everybody's going to be fine. you know

00:36:54.650 --> 00:36:56.510
even if it looks like they're gonna die it's

00:36:56.510 --> 00:36:59.190
fine they'll come back it's like there's no real

00:36:59.190 --> 00:37:01.750
stakes anymore well and then there are big questions

00:37:01.750 --> 00:37:04.989
around when characters don't like do stay dead

00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:08.590
it's like but but like why yeah oh is the contract

00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:10.530
reasons and then it starts to be a real life

00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:13.050
and it's just a big i'm sorry yeah yeah yeah

00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:18.969
i'm sorry bet solo is dead because there's legitimate

00:37:18.969 --> 00:37:21.250
reasons that he could come back but we're not

00:37:21.250 --> 00:37:24.269
gonna get into those Did you know that Uncle

00:37:24.269 --> 00:37:30.150
Owen and Aunt Beru are still alive? Well, I think

00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:33.130
what it really leads to is like, did we see a

00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.670
body? But then even then, there's ways to explain

00:37:36.670 --> 00:37:39.030
it away. So yes, I do have an issue with that.

00:37:39.409 --> 00:37:43.449
However, if they're going to bring back a character,

00:37:43.590 --> 00:37:48.210
I do like that they chose someone who is not

00:37:48.210 --> 00:37:52.980
vital enough to the plot. Yeah. To really impact

00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:57.920
things or change things or rewrite or to pull

00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.539
a Palpatine. They pulled someone back who can

00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.179
really operate in the shadows, who was interesting,

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.260
who we didn't get really enough backstory on

00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:11.000
in general. We didn't know enough about him.

00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.719
Now we get to see more about who he is, where

00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.199
he came from, what his family situation growing

00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:22.710
up, all of those things were like. And I think

00:38:22.710 --> 00:38:25.050
that that's interesting because it's almost like

00:38:25.050 --> 00:38:27.469
they brought him back to world build, which I

00:38:27.469 --> 00:38:29.929
can appreciate. They didn't bring him back to

00:38:29.929 --> 00:38:32.570
change the plot. So yes, I agree with you. I

00:38:32.570 --> 00:38:34.630
didn't hate that they brought him back. I was

00:38:34.630 --> 00:38:37.369
disappointed that they brought back someone who

00:38:37.369 --> 00:38:39.780
should have been dead. Because then it's like,

00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:41.579
okay, well, if you get chopped in half and you

00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:43.300
fall down a shaft, then you're still going to

00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:46.460
be alive. So, like, where's Mace? But... Where

00:38:46.460 --> 00:38:48.860
is Mace? Because they did this, I'm the biggest

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.280
proponent of Mace should be alive. Mace is alive.

00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.480
Because we actually saw Maul chopped in half

00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.639
and falling down. Like, we did see a body. With

00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.880
Mace, all we saw was him get hands chopped and

00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.500
then electrocuted out a window. Right. You see

00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:05.699
the force... Does the force still not work with

00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:07.420
your little nubbins? I'm pretty sure it does.

00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:12.960
No, but Sam, you need to use two hands. Two hands.

00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:19.760
Well done. So what I'm saying is that we've got

00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.019
two things out there from Wednesday walking around

00:39:23.019 --> 00:39:26.059
with Force powers. Good. I love it. Good, good,

00:39:26.059 --> 00:39:30.800
good. Love it. But I do agree. What they did

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.900
with Maul, amazing. Super dope. And also, I'm

00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:37.610
like... I don't know that I necessarily need

00:39:37.610 --> 00:39:40.710
a second Han Solo movie, but the fact that Maul

00:39:40.710 --> 00:39:43.090
is in charge of Crimson Dawn and is like this

00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:45.989
puppeteer of the underworld. I want more Emilia

00:39:45.989 --> 00:39:49.349
Clarke, Ray Parker with Sam's voice. I can't

00:39:49.349 --> 00:39:53.530
remember his last name. Whitmer. Thank you. I

00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:56.530
want that in film. I want more of that. That

00:39:56.530 --> 00:40:00.329
sounds cool. That sounds very cool. I love that

00:40:00.329 --> 00:40:03.250
now. After everything that's happened, we are

00:40:03.250 --> 00:40:06.489
getting three dimensional Ventress. Yeah. She

00:40:06.489 --> 00:40:11.369
has morals, shady morals, but she has some. She

00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:14.730
knows what is right to her and she acts on it.

00:40:14.789 --> 00:40:18.670
And unlike all the other Sith and everybody out

00:40:18.670 --> 00:40:21.610
there, she isn't purely driven by hate or revenge.

00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:27.170
And while she kind of hate love hates Obi -Wan

00:40:27.170 --> 00:40:30.110
and they have their teta tets and everything.

00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:35.559
She teams up with him to fight Savage and Maul.

00:40:35.659 --> 00:40:38.639
Because Maul is just hellbent on his revenge

00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:45.559
with Obi -Wan. And this fight is so good. Yes.

00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.079
But this fight is so good. It is. It's an excellent

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.840
fight. Four very distinct styles that you get

00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.139
to see. And it's in such close quarters. Fascinating

00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:03.280
to watch. Also, because this fight is so good,

00:41:03.380 --> 00:41:07.800
and Ventress and Obi -Wan do not defeat Savage

00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.719
and Maul, it really bothers me then that Kenobi

00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:17.039
then goes to fight Maul again, and again brings

00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.019
one Jedi to go fight Maul and Savage, when he

00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:26.019
and Ventress, who he knows is a very good fighter

00:41:26.019 --> 00:41:30.090
and force user, even though she's not. you know,

00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:33.130
a Jedi or anything. He knows she's really good.

00:41:33.190 --> 00:41:36.730
And yet he brings just, again, one Jedi with

00:41:36.730 --> 00:41:40.090
him. I will say the advanced analytics on Ventress's

00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:43.170
abilities are quite low. She is the Russell Westbrook

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:48.429
of like volume shooting scoring, but not particularly

00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:52.210
effective. She has not yet once gotten the job

00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:57.030
done. And so I think that, I think that Obi -Wan

00:41:57.030 --> 00:41:59.860
not winning. Again, small and oppressed. He's

00:41:59.860 --> 00:42:01.860
looking over his side -eyeing Ventress being

00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:03.659
like weak link. All right. I just got to bring

00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:05.219
like, I don't know who's available. You, you

00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:07.699
random Jedi. Let's go. Come on. Anything's better

00:42:07.699 --> 00:42:10.940
than Ventress. But also anything is not better

00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:12.519
than Ventress because at least Ventress made

00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:19.639
it out alive. Yeah, that's so true. Oh man. Yeah.

00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:23.190
I enjoy getting three. three -dimensional ventress.

00:42:23.230 --> 00:42:25.969
That is good. And getting a lot more about Dathomir.

00:42:26.130 --> 00:42:29.010
They've clearly done a good job of trying to

00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:32.489
set that up. Maul very quickly gathers forces

00:42:32.489 --> 00:42:35.349
when his brother joins him and helps him get

00:42:35.349 --> 00:42:39.289
out of his sanity and no longer has spider robot

00:42:39.289 --> 00:42:43.929
legs, just has regular bionic legs. He recruits

00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:46.789
pirates. He starts getting people in the underworld.

00:42:47.150 --> 00:42:53.429
And before you know it, he has found out some

00:42:53.429 --> 00:42:56.050
information that leads him to take over mandalore

00:42:56.050 --> 00:42:59.429
what is this information you think well there's

00:42:59.429 --> 00:43:02.670
a group on mandalore called death watch there

00:43:02.670 --> 00:43:04.869
are these old school mandals that don't like

00:43:04.869 --> 00:43:08.070
satine the duchess of mandalore who is like the

00:43:08.070 --> 00:43:12.070
most extreme pacifist who likes satine said ruler

00:43:12.070 --> 00:43:16.949
of mandalore obi will be longing for satine and

00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:21.289
you know who hates obi Maul. So the enemy of

00:43:21.289 --> 00:43:23.570
my enemy's governor lover friend person thing

00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:30.289
is my friend in this case. Yes, definitely very

00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:35.710
big enemy of my enemy vibes from Maul here. Just

00:43:35.710 --> 00:43:38.769
taking anybody he can get at this point. However,

00:43:38.989 --> 00:43:43.269
his plot. Super good. To take over Mandalore.

00:43:43.409 --> 00:43:45.929
Genius. Yeah, really good. Absolutely genius.

00:43:46.190 --> 00:43:50.780
He pits every person. so perfectly against each

00:43:50.780 --> 00:43:55.420
other in a way that will get him at first, well,

00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.840
I mean, essentially, shadow ruling over Mandalore.

00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.699
And nobody's any the wiser. Until... Until Maul

00:44:03.699 --> 00:44:06.880
lures Obi -Wan Kenobi into a trap and Admiral

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.099
Ackbar isn't there to tell him, so nobody knows.

00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:14.820
He's still Captain Ackbar, so... It only happens

00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:16.840
with the alliteration. Once the alliteration

00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.659
kicks in, his mind does that, like, meme with

00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:24.739
the advanced math. So, a lot of this trap is

00:44:24.739 --> 00:44:26.699
not very cool. It leads to some pretty heinous

00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:29.579
stuff. But what it does lead to is Obi -Wan Kenobi

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:33.460
wearing, like... Maul kind of makes the Mandalorians

00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:37.909
put on his... skin tones he's like you will all

00:44:37.909 --> 00:44:40.510
be black and red now you will all cosplay as

00:44:40.510 --> 00:44:45.630
me in your mandalorian armor um which is dope

00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:48.389
but also not so dope but it's really dope when

00:44:48.389 --> 00:44:50.969
obi -wan has to wear it so obi gets to dress

00:44:50.969 --> 00:44:54.530
up in this mandalorian worshiping darth maul

00:44:54.530 --> 00:44:59.849
armor which is super cool yeah so that is super

00:44:59.849 --> 00:45:03.239
cool and then what is Super cool, but also cracks

00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.599
me up, is that the Death Watch uses what I dub

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:11.619
the droid deployment system to drop in in their

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:15.300
fighting. The droid deployment system is when

00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:19.079
these shuttles, essentially, of droids show up.

00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.179
And they're all strapped in kind of under their

00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:25.119
armpits of what a robot's armpit would be. And

00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.340
then they just drop them all down. You know,

00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:29.760
they start marching out and they're already in

00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:33.280
line and everything. So the Death Watch essentially

00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.940
use the exact same thing and just, like, deploy.

00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:41.360
And when I watch that, I just go, the droid deployment

00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:48.659
system. I learned it from watching you. Maul

00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:53.039
lures Obi -Wan because he has Satine as bait,

00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:56.079
essentially. Maul also has the Darksaber, which

00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.050
he took from pre -Vizsla. Not post -Vizlo, though.

00:46:01.929 --> 00:46:04.050
That's a stupid joke, and I love you for it.

00:46:05.849 --> 00:46:10.170
So he uses this dark saber on Satine. He stabs

00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:12.369
her straight in the same place that he stabbed

00:46:12.369 --> 00:46:14.289
Qui -Gon, which I think is an awesome little

00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:18.190
shout -out to Phantom Menace. Looks him in the

00:46:18.190 --> 00:46:21.489
eyes. Satine dies. Or she falls on the ground.

00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:22.949
Obi -Wan goes to her. She's like, I've always

00:46:22.949 --> 00:46:25.530
loved you. And basically says everything but,

00:46:25.690 --> 00:46:28.840
we have a child. Because you can't say that in

00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.719
front of Maul and cue Rey's initial lineage.

00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:36.699
And then that got all messed up. But Obi -Wan

00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:39.300
is able to escape all of this, but he doesn't

00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:43.280
manage to kill Maul or oppress. And he escapes

00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.900
with Satine's sister, Bo -Katan. Just remember

00:46:47.900 --> 00:46:49.960
that for the future, missionaries, because Bo

00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.059
-Katan will be a major character in a couple

00:46:53.059 --> 00:46:55.300
of different TV shows. You know who does come

00:46:55.300 --> 00:46:58.960
and kill oppress? Palpatine. Because like a shark

00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:03.119
in the water with blood, he goes, oh, there's

00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:04.840
some dark side people that have become a problem,

00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:09.840
and just like, drives to Mandalore? Okay, I'm

00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:15.679
sorry. I'm just saying, Palp, you fly officially

00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.239
as Emperor Palpatine, as Chancellor Palpatine,

00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:26.070
officially flying to Mandalore. You challenge

00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:29.849
someone who's operating absolutely nowhere near

00:47:29.849 --> 00:47:33.789
anything that you're doing. You already know

00:47:33.789 --> 00:47:36.429
you can defeat him. It just seems like such a

00:47:36.429 --> 00:47:39.949
huge risk for something so small and unimportant,

00:47:40.150 --> 00:47:43.909
like in his big scheme of things. And it just,

00:47:44.090 --> 00:47:47.789
Sith are so bonkers. You have become a rival.

00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:52.369
Kills the press. Right. Yeah, you're the rival.

00:47:52.530 --> 00:47:56.510
Sure. Sure. Apprentice of the apprentice of the

00:47:56.510 --> 00:48:01.130
apprentice is your rival. This is the definition

00:48:01.130 --> 00:48:03.250
of a phantom apprentice. He is not a threat.

00:48:03.510 --> 00:48:07.610
He's a ghost. Not at all. Yes. And it bothers

00:48:07.610 --> 00:48:11.869
me because I really weirdly like Savage a lot

00:48:11.869 --> 00:48:13.289
as a character. You're a big sucker for a guy

00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:17.969
who goes, hello. No, I'm just, I'm a big sucker

00:48:17.969 --> 00:48:21.409
for like. A character who's, like, constantly

00:48:21.409 --> 00:48:24.670
challenged and, like, has - he just has such

00:48:24.670 --> 00:48:28.369
a rough life. Yeah, he does. Like, it's not great.

00:48:28.530 --> 00:48:30.969
Then he ends up having to, like, kill his brother

00:48:30.969 --> 00:48:33.409
in order to, like, prove himself to Ventress.

00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:36.250
But then he ends up ditching Ventress, but then

00:48:36.250 --> 00:48:37.989
Maul doesn't really treat him like a brother,

00:48:38.050 --> 00:48:40.190
even though he should. It's, you know, you're

00:48:40.190 --> 00:48:42.429
my apprentice, you're not my brother. Yeah, he

00:48:42.429 --> 00:48:44.690
almost crushes his skull. Right, and it's just

00:48:44.690 --> 00:48:48.190
- He tries so hard and he was trying really hard

00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:51.429
to be Dooku's apprentice, but then he, you know,

00:48:51.429 --> 00:48:53.510
does the whole betrayal with Ventress, but then

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:55.690
Ventress doesn't really want him either. It's

00:48:55.690 --> 00:49:00.949
like, he cannot win. But him and Maul's interactions

00:49:00.949 --> 00:49:03.869
are very interesting to me. So I think that that's

00:49:03.869 --> 00:49:06.849
really why. And I think Maul is so fascinating.

00:49:06.929 --> 00:49:11.309
And so by proxy. Savage is very interesting.

00:49:11.469 --> 00:49:13.789
So I think it's really cool what they do with

00:49:13.789 --> 00:49:16.449
Maul in this whole little arc with both the press

00:49:16.449 --> 00:49:19.289
and him being the ruler and him also like big

00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:22.530
brothering a press the whole time as well. This

00:49:22.530 --> 00:49:24.889
will come into play in Rebels. You see a lot

00:49:24.889 --> 00:49:27.969
of this side of sort of like big brother energy

00:49:27.969 --> 00:49:32.110
from Maul with a certain other character. And

00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:37.469
it is that and his like actual pretty good scheming.

00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.659
I think of the two main takeaways. If you're

00:49:40.659 --> 00:49:44.480
like prepping for Maul the show, there's some

00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.420
really good character things to take away from

00:49:46.420 --> 00:49:50.639
this. He can be weirdly charming. He's incredibly

00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.239
smart. He can be really tempting to the characters

00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.300
around him. And he's conniving as anybody. And

00:49:58.300 --> 00:50:01.659
I think that that makes him really this awesome

00:50:01.659 --> 00:50:05.340
phantom in the shadows in the background. And

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.980
also his voice acting is incredible. So there's

00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:12.500
that. That's also very true. A huge factor. But

00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:17.179
we leave Maul before we get to our Order 66 time.

00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.659
On Mandalore, just defeated by Palpatine, left

00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:25.019
alive, but his brother's dead. Now we're going

00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:29.030
to get to all of our Order 66 dealios. Right

00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:31.150
after we do our Revenge of the Sith episode.

00:50:31.309 --> 00:50:32.789
So we're going to talk about all the congruent

00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:35.489
information. So what's going on with Ahsoka and

00:50:35.489 --> 00:50:41.869
Obi -Wan and Maul and Rex and such. During Order

00:50:41.869 --> 00:50:44.230
66, right after we actually cover Revenge of

00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:46.369
the Sith. So be on the lookout for that mini

00:50:46.369 --> 00:50:48.949
episode. We are going to talk about Mandalore.

00:50:49.050 --> 00:50:51.650
We're going to talk about the amazing scene between

00:50:51.650 --> 00:50:53.750
Ahsoka and Maul. We're going to talk about the

00:50:53.750 --> 00:50:57.719
incredible fight between them. Check us out in

00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.380
two episodes, y 'all. Two episodes. Lastly, we've

00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:06.099
got Yoda, which is a wildly incredible, important

00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:09.679
storyline that I feel like gets slept on a lot.

00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:12.780
Yeah, we get these kind of last three episodes

00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:16.659
just tossed in at the end of season six. Which,

00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.579
by the way, is the season that Disney was like,

00:51:19.699 --> 00:51:23.710
we bought the merger. And they were like, no

00:51:23.710 --> 00:51:27.630
more. And so this is how the show ended. Right.

00:51:27.849 --> 00:51:32.150
So this is how everything ended. And it's very

00:51:32.150 --> 00:51:36.030
important and also confusing to me. Super confusing.

00:51:36.530 --> 00:51:40.610
As a person who, you know, when watching this,

00:51:40.690 --> 00:51:44.630
had not fully dived deep into, okay, what does

00:51:44.630 --> 00:51:46.489
everybody know and what does everybody not know?

00:51:46.630 --> 00:51:49.349
And when you're coming from having seen the original

00:51:49.349 --> 00:51:54.260
movies. Force ghosts are real. Right. And so

00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:56.119
you kind of just take them as a fact. And so

00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:59.579
then going back to this and Yoda saying, this

00:51:59.579 --> 00:52:01.820
can't be possible. You're dead. I'm going, really?

00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.739
To Qui -Gon specifically. Qui -Gon has appeared.

00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.099
Yeah. Yes. You're dead, Qui -Gon. How can you

00:52:10.099 --> 00:52:12.219
possibly be here? This doesn't make any sense.

00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.300
This is impossible. And I'm just going, considering

00:52:16.300 --> 00:52:22.559
that. Of the people involved in the plot of this

00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.639
whole Force ghost situation, three of them become

00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:32.519
Force ghosts. Obi -Wan. Obi -Wan. Yoda. Yoda.

00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:37.780
And Anakin. And Anakin. All become Force ghosts.

00:52:37.780 --> 00:52:40.940
And Anakin does it in, like, two seconds. It

00:52:40.940 --> 00:52:43.340
takes Anakin. Like, Obi -Wan doesn't physically

00:52:43.340 --> 00:52:47.380
appear until, like... Three years after the Battle

00:52:47.380 --> 00:52:52.260
of Yavin. Right. Like, Anakin is like, hey, I

00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:55.139
died six seconds ago. Force God let me go to

00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:56.679
heaven, even though I killed a bunch of kids.

00:52:56.739 --> 00:53:01.780
And now here I am. I'm good, guys. All good.

00:53:02.380 --> 00:53:06.420
So it's yeah, it's just wild because we go from

00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:09.880
nobody thinks that this is real or possible or

00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.280
even in the realm of credibility to. All of these

00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:17.500
people becoming forest ghosts. This is the third.

00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:20.980
Within like five years. Yeah, exactly. Three

00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:24.599
years. This is the third thing. No, because it's

00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.179
like 25 years. No, it's longer than that. Yeah,

00:53:26.179 --> 00:53:30.739
it's 25 years. Okay, within three movies. Within

00:53:30.739 --> 00:53:33.460
three movies, yes. This is the third thing that

00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:35.659
I hate about the show that I still like what

00:53:35.659 --> 00:53:39.900
they did with it. So this idea that Yoda's been

00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:42.780
around for 800 plus years. So in all of that

00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:45.739
time, no one's become a force ghost. Ridiculous.

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.159
Qui -Gon's the, like, highest thinker who essentially

00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:53.500
ascended first. Like, he's Wizard Jesus. No.

00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.440
He's Wizard Space Jesus. I love Qui -Gon. No.

00:53:57.659 --> 00:54:01.420
No. Like, he is absolutely doing a really cool

00:54:01.420 --> 00:54:04.300
job of being, like, hey, force first type of

00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:08.179
dude. Right. But the only person in 800 years

00:54:08.179 --> 00:54:10.440
look as good you will not, Qui -Gon? Like...

00:54:11.410 --> 00:54:15.550
I can't stand that this just kind of happens

00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:19.250
to be when Force Ghost becomes a thing. That's

00:54:19.250 --> 00:54:22.230
what Clone Wars does. It establishes this just

00:54:22.230 --> 00:54:25.750
happens to be when this occurs. At the end of

00:54:25.750 --> 00:54:28.130
Revenge of the Sith, when Obi -Wan comes in...

00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.760
And Yoda's like, much training you have to do.

00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.400
And that's a terrible Yoda voice. But when he

00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.139
says that, and he's like, oh, I can talk to Master

00:54:35.139 --> 00:54:37.719
Qui -Gon. That's cool. I'm like, oh, Yoda's teaching

00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.300
him an old technique that he hasn't learned yet.

00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:42.619
Because he's still fairly young for a Jedi. Here

00:54:42.619 --> 00:54:45.860
we go. This will be cool. Not, we are giving

00:54:45.860 --> 00:54:48.639
you the path to immortality right now, Yoda.

00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:55.059
This is great. So the big point of this arc is

00:54:55.059 --> 00:54:58.730
Yoda goes to Dagobah because... Qui -Gon tells

00:54:58.730 --> 00:55:01.750
him to go there. And he is learning the path

00:55:01.750 --> 00:55:05.989
to immortality about being a Force ghost, right?

00:55:06.070 --> 00:55:08.949
That's what's getting him there, which is not

00:55:08.949 --> 00:55:11.190
a thing that's happened yet. But also, during

00:55:11.190 --> 00:55:14.010
that time, he sees a bunch of different stuff,

00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:18.530
including little baby Shadow Yoda. Yeah, very

00:55:18.530 --> 00:55:24.059
Gollum -coded. Also, he brings R2. Okay, and

00:55:24.059 --> 00:55:26.719
then tells him to stay with the ship. R2 doesn't

00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:28.840
like staying with the ship, you guys. Stop making

00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.380
him stay with the ship. He doesn't not like it

00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:35.159
yet. I know it hasn't happened yet, but he's

00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.719
already uncomfortable. You can tell. Yes, that's

00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:45.159
true. I don't know about this. It's bizarre.

00:55:45.539 --> 00:55:49.300
It's bizarre. Anyways, the big piece of information

00:55:49.300 --> 00:55:51.480
that I have here that I think we glean out of

00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.949
this is that Yoda is clued into the entire Order

00:55:54.949 --> 00:55:57.630
66. He sees the Jedi fighting the clone troopers.

00:55:58.250 --> 00:56:01.130
He sees Sidious, and he sees that Sidious' chin

00:56:01.130 --> 00:56:06.690
is the exact same as Chancellor Palpatine. Eye

00:56:06.690 --> 00:56:08.989
roll. He sees the attack from the Chancellor

00:56:08.989 --> 00:56:11.150
on other Jedis. Now, he doesn't know where the

00:56:11.150 --> 00:56:13.250
setting is, but that is in the Chancellor's chamber.

00:56:13.329 --> 00:56:15.510
He sees that specific attack. He sees this little

00:56:15.510 --> 00:56:18.409
twirl move that opens it up. And he sees that

00:56:18.409 --> 00:56:21.369
Anakin is at the center of all of this. That

00:56:21.369 --> 00:56:24.909
Sidious wants Anakin. So he knows all of this

00:56:24.909 --> 00:56:26.929
is coming. And he can sense it because he knows

00:56:26.929 --> 00:56:29.210
the war is coming to an end soon. He says that

00:56:29.210 --> 00:56:31.610
to Mason Obi -Wan. What does he do with this

00:56:31.610 --> 00:56:36.210
information? Nothing. Ditto -ly squat. So, like,

00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:40.329
he didn't kill the younglings that Anakin killed.

00:56:40.650 --> 00:56:44.989
But he is good as. Like, he is really culpable.

00:56:45.130 --> 00:56:47.690
He shows up. After learning all this information.

00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:50.250
And Mace and Obi -Wan come over and they're like,

00:56:50.349 --> 00:56:53.010
saw anything cool happen? And he looks at them

00:56:53.010 --> 00:57:00.650
dead in the face and goes, nah. He does start

00:57:00.650 --> 00:57:03.929
to focus on the Force a lot more, which is, I'm

00:57:03.929 --> 00:57:06.110
like, oh, cool, we're getting back to that. But

00:57:06.110 --> 00:57:08.090
it drives him into being this weird, grumpy old

00:57:08.090 --> 00:57:09.789
man that doesn't want to train anybody and just

00:57:09.789 --> 00:57:11.690
wants to ascend. He becomes the most selfish

00:57:11.690 --> 00:57:18.420
Jedi on the planet. It's very silly. It bothers

00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:23.559
me a lot. Yoda, I mean, we've talked before about

00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.400
Yoda's blindsidedness when it comes to a lot

00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.840
of things. And it continues here. And I think

00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.659
that this is just yet another example of you've

00:57:35.659 --> 00:57:38.139
been given all this very important information.

00:57:38.219 --> 00:57:41.340
And I guess the only reason that I can excuse

00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:45.239
it is that... Perhaps it's kind of like a prophecy

00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.800
situation where if you try to stop it from happening,

00:57:49.019 --> 00:57:52.019
it'll make it happen. Right. And that's something

00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:54.199
that he's maybe concerned about. But the fact

00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.460
that he doesn't even like take any extra precautions

00:57:57.460 --> 00:58:02.199
or keep an extra close eye on Anakin or anything.

00:58:03.139 --> 00:58:07.820
He doesn't. Oh, remember how that one clone trooper

00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:12.269
killed that one Jedi? Maybe we should revisit

00:58:12.269 --> 00:58:15.369
that. Oh, who was involved in that? Palpatine?

00:58:15.369 --> 00:58:18.329
Who did I see under that cloak? Someone that

00:58:18.329 --> 00:58:20.610
looked an awful lot like Palpatine, especially

00:58:20.610 --> 00:58:25.610
when he was going, I got the chip. How do you

00:58:25.610 --> 00:58:29.309
guys not know that Palpatine is the Sith Lord

00:58:29.309 --> 00:58:32.389
at this point? Okay, I'm sorry. It bothers me

00:58:32.389 --> 00:58:37.219
so much. Palpatine is so powerful. That he can

00:58:37.219 --> 00:58:41.900
force choke you through hologram from billions

00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:47.380
of miles away. And yet Yoda can't sense the dark

00:58:47.380 --> 00:58:51.900
side pouring out of his every pore and orifice

00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:56.500
while standing five feet in front of him. No.

00:58:57.619 --> 00:59:01.000
In Legends, this is one of my favorite little

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.579
factoids. In Legends, when Palpatine is training,

00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:07.900
I think it's... lord tyrannus uh when he's trading

00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:11.559
dooku but it might have been um maul i'm not

00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.820
really sure which one they like go to the the

00:59:13.820 --> 00:59:16.420
steps of the jedi temple and and the narration

00:59:16.420 --> 00:59:19.420
of the apprentice is like master says that as

00:59:19.420 --> 00:59:21.639
long as we don't get in we won't be discovered

00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.840
and i'm like you guys just ripped that off from

00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.079
the legends of the christian church like where

00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.579
sinners burst into flame as soon as they enter

00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:34.039
the church like What? Oh my gosh. They're like

00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:38.159
vampires who can't enter a hollow ground or something.

00:59:38.940 --> 00:59:42.840
It's just silliness. This whole thing of, yeah,

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.719
hey, Mace, you can't see where the fog's coming

00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.800
from because you're in the fog. Like, you're

00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.579
just in it. Yeah. You don't know where it's coming

00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:51.920
from. He's the dark side in the room with us.

00:59:51.980 --> 00:59:56.000
Yeah, exactly. You just are in, basically, Palpatine

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.159
all the time. You're just surrounded by his aura.

00:59:59.019 --> 01:00:04.050
It's... Surrounded by Palpatine's aura. That's

01:00:04.050 --> 01:00:07.250
like a song title. Yeah, for real. Good band

01:00:07.250 --> 01:00:09.170
name, I call it. There you go. New band name,

01:00:09.230 --> 01:00:15.630
I call it. So he's... The one message that Yoda

01:00:15.630 --> 01:00:19.250
does come back with is he says he's no longer

01:00:19.250 --> 01:00:22.650
certain the war can be won. That there's been

01:00:22.650 --> 01:00:25.590
too much death, too much destruction, too much

01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:27.989
loss. The Jedi essentially have lost their ways,

01:00:28.030 --> 01:00:32.000
the subtext there. And Mace specifically kind

01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:34.920
of looks pissed about this. Obi -Wan looks contemplative.

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.860
And Mace is kind of like, what the heck have

01:00:37.860 --> 01:00:40.239
we been doing all this for then? And then he's

01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.400
like, I think it's kind of cheap that Yoda's

01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.059
like, eh, war. Let's just focus on the force

01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:47.980
and immortality. You started this! You're the

01:00:47.980 --> 01:00:50.659
one who went and got the clones of Kamino and

01:00:50.659 --> 01:00:52.780
came and rescued Obi -Wan and Anakin and Batman.

01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:59.090
Mm -hmm. Like, maybe finish. And then he's like,

01:00:59.170 --> 01:01:01.750
when he's on Kashyyyk and Order 66 starts, he's

01:01:01.750 --> 01:01:06.869
like, oh my god, it's happening. When Doodoo

01:01:06.869 --> 01:01:09.110
says the problem with the Jedi is Yoda, I'm like,

01:01:09.170 --> 01:01:14.210
yeah. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. He's not

01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:18.670
wrong. Well, we've gone over so much that we

01:01:18.670 --> 01:01:21.150
are skipping many different categories today

01:01:21.150 --> 01:01:23.389
because we wanted to get all of this information

01:01:23.389 --> 01:01:27.469
to you, but we could not but help. To keep our

01:01:27.469 --> 01:01:30.610
favorite little category in here. Sierra? Keep

01:01:30.610 --> 01:01:33.389
your horses safe. Keep them safe! It's the...

01:01:33.389 --> 01:01:36.889
I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.

01:01:37.630 --> 01:01:41.809
Category for best lines. Some of these are gonna

01:01:41.809 --> 01:01:44.230
come out of nowhere because they are lines from

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:46.510
things that we did not cover in this episode,

01:01:46.590 --> 01:01:49.269
but they're too great not to share. So, it begins.

01:01:50.250 --> 01:01:54.329
Grievous says, How does it feel to die? And a

01:01:54.329 --> 01:02:00.360
Gungan general replies, Not die. Sacrifice. That's

01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.679
pretty good. I like that one a lot. This one

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cracks me up. That's Cad Bane. How do you know?

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Who else would wear a hat like that? I do love

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that arc. Obi's little arc is so good. It is

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very, very good. A very fitting Anakin line.

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How many other lies have I been told by the council?

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Many, Anakin. It turns out actually a lot. Turns

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out, again, you're not wrong. Anakin to Palpatine

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says, as long as I live, no harm will ever come

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to you, your excellency. Great bit of irony there.

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Good job, Clone Wars writers. Hey, can we just

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make him say the opposite of what happens? Yes,

01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:47.179
we can. It turns out. Yes. As it turns out. Fan

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favorite and Sam favorite, Hondo Onaka. I may

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be a pirate, but I do not like taking children

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into battle. Which is not his accent at all,

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but I'm standing by it. It's close. All right,

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thanks. I appreciate it. This lovely line comes

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from Whack, A -Droid, and D -Squad. I would die

01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:14.260
for D -Squad. Wow, they really went overboard

01:03:14.260 --> 01:03:19.199
with the welcoming committee. Guys, sometimes

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I just put in lines because they make me laugh.

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And I am going to make myself laugh, even if

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nobody else appreciates it. Savage's dying words.

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I am an unworthy apprentice. I am not like you.

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Never was. The irony in those words when he's

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like, but my master doesn't like me so much that

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he came and killed you. Like, I'm the most unworthy

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of apprentices. What are you talking about? Yes.

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Very impactful. There are going to be Jedi who

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disappoint us, Ahsoka. But as long as we know

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there are good Jedi who fight for what's right,

01:03:59.469 --> 01:04:06.730
it makes it worthwhile. Cue shortly after Imperial

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March theme. I understand. This is Anakin to

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Ahsoka when she's contemplating leaving the Jedi

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Order. He says, I understand more than you realize.

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I understand wanting to walk away from the Order,

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which is real hard. It's real hard. There's another

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one similar to that where he alludes to the fact

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that he understands that things aren't the best

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and that. He kind of wants to leave and she says

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she knows. And I'm like, please elaborate. You

01:04:46.099 --> 01:04:48.760
guys talk to each other. You guys are so close.

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Disobeying the council your expertise is. That

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is why I ask for your help. It is the spontaneity

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you find so easily, which others do not. That

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is what sets you apart. Yoda to Anakin when he's

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asking Anakin to help sequester him from the

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planet so he can go off on his journey. But I

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think it's one of the only good things that Yoda

01:05:15.409 --> 01:05:17.530
says to Anakin. Says to Anakin ever. It's the

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closest he comes to a compliment. Yeah. That

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your expertise is not listening to us. And I'm

01:05:24.389 --> 01:05:26.909
going to ask you to do that. Yeah. Flash forward

01:05:26.909 --> 01:05:29.670
to Anakin, like, stabbing children and killing

01:05:29.670 --> 01:05:34.969
them. But sure. Yeah. And BD. This is a Maul

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:38.530
line. It's when he's got Satine in prison and

01:05:38.530 --> 01:05:42.019
Obi -Wan is being marched up to him. Your noble

01:05:42.019 --> 01:05:47.420
flaw is a weakness shared by you and your duchess.

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And then he just starts force choking Satine.

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It's a really crazy power play. I could quote

01:05:55.219 --> 01:05:58.659
Maul all day. All day. He has so many - I was

01:05:58.659 --> 01:06:05.880
hoping for Kenobi. What are you doing here? Anyways,

01:06:06.179 --> 01:06:10.460
love Maul. Fantastic. Today is public service

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:14.099
announcement. Follow up, follow up for the love

01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:18.699
of goodness. If there is a plot afoot, please,

01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:21.760
please keep looking into it. As you continue

01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:25.099
to get hints about it, just, you know, put someone

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on it. One person. Just one person on it. One

01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.139
guy. It's only one more than you've done, which

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is nothing. You can spare one guy. Please. One.

01:06:34.750 --> 01:06:38.730
One person. This is kind of a big deal. If this

01:06:38.730 --> 01:06:42.389
is real. Guys. Even if it's just Watto. Like,

01:06:42.389 --> 01:06:44.670
you went and got Watto off of Tatooine. Like,

01:06:44.710 --> 01:06:47.349
just let him look at the brain chip. You know

01:06:47.349 --> 01:06:49.889
what? Who should be in charge of this is D -Squad.

01:06:51.289 --> 01:06:54.690
I think it should be R2. Okay. But he's part

01:06:54.690 --> 01:06:57.809
of D -Squad. Kind of. Oh, the Droid Squad. Of

01:06:57.809 --> 01:07:01.530
course he is. Yes. I had a brain fart. Sorry.

01:07:01.610 --> 01:07:04.329
Excuse me. Yes. D -Squad should absolutely be

01:07:04.329 --> 01:07:06.809
part of this. God, I love D -Squad. D -Squad

01:07:06.809 --> 01:07:10.389
should be looking into Order 66 situation. I

01:07:10.389 --> 01:07:12.809
take it back. Who's the MVP of this entire Clone

01:07:12.809 --> 01:07:16.170
Wars show? It's D -Squad. It's D -Squad. It's

01:07:16.170 --> 01:07:19.769
D -Bradley Baker and D -Squad. The Ds. Yes. Yes.

01:07:19.809 --> 01:07:22.250
Well, if we're doing that and you're adding in

01:07:22.250 --> 01:07:24.349
D -Bradley Baker, we might have to add in David

01:07:24.349 --> 01:07:27.010
Tennant. I mean... That's true. The triple Ds.

01:07:27.010 --> 01:07:29.070
Although he doesn't have much. But he did...

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But he won an Emmy for what he did. He won an

01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:37.380
Emmy. That's huge. Well, thank you, dear listeners

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How now, brown cow? Let me practice my linguistics

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for this moment. Seashells by the seashells of

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the seashore. That's not how you say that rhyme

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at all. It's good. Here we go. Thing that happens

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during these - Say arc. Say arc, nothing. Yeah.

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Okay. Give me a second. My phone is dying. Oh,

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.739
no. Oh, no, Sierra. I have to change up my whole

01:09:35.739 --> 01:09:39.399
camera situation. Oh, no. That's not good. Oh,

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no. Oh, God. There's a place called... There's

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a place. There's a place I know. They want to

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go back to the old Mandalorian warring ways.

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Who's in their way? The Duchess, the ruler of

01:09:53.409 --> 01:09:56.289
Mandalore, Satine. Do you know who really likes

01:09:56.289 --> 01:10:00.189
Satine? Obi... What's my joke here? Oh, yeah.

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No one's going to get this because nobody remembers

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Lake Wobegon from NPR back in the day. On Satine.

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Stabs her right where he stabbed Obi -Wan Kenobi,

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which is an awesome little shout -out to the

01:10:14.550 --> 01:10:17.409
franchise there. He stabs her right in the gut.

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In the exact same place. Qui -Gon. everything

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in my life right now i also have a joke you should

01:10:24.789 --> 01:10:26.930
definitely say he takes it from pre -vizsla because

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i'm gonna make a joke what's his name pre -vizsla

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pre pre -vizsla pre -vizsla okay let me let me

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restart this sorry uh brit this has been a very

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put us in oh yeah we're getting back into our

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rhythm here really it's been two months i think

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since we've recorded yeah forget to rate us not

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please don't if you liked the episode Is it really?

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Nope. That's it. I'm done. I can't do it. You

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went Elmo. I did. I really did. Well, that'll

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be an excellent blooper. You're welcome.