Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
that covers everything you love and more. I'm
Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's
episode, we will be grossly gabbing about Star
Wars Clone Wars seasons one through three, part
two. Yes, part two. We went long in the last
one, so here we are doing a whole nother half.
Welcome. Keep your finger on the pause button.
And rewind that tape. It's the prestige category.
What did we notice on this watch through other
than everything else that we just said? What's
notable? I have just a couple little fun ones.
I've got a bad feeling about this. It said 10
times over the first three seasons. See, it doesn't
have to come in every single Star Wars thing
you've ever seen ever. My goodness. We get Fives
makes a Han Solo reference, which is absolutely
fantastic. I'll have the quote a little bit later,
but there's a Han Solo reference in there. My
own personal note is that the Arcona and the
Rodians have the best eyes in the galaxy. They
have galaxies in their eyes. They're so pretty.
What happened to Greedo? Oh my gosh. He's got
nothing. His eyes are dead. Here's Greedo. Okay.
And then now he's gone. He's got no galaxies
in his eyes. He's just, he's dead before he's
dead. Then we also get Tarkin. Obviously I remember
that Tarkin makes an appearance. but I forgot
all of the little moments where he and Anakin
are talking, or he's saying something and you
see Obi -Wan kind of glancing between them, or
you hear Tarkin speaking and go, oh, well, I
guess he does end up doing that, and I guess
that is how that ship will be run, and it's very
interesting with the... With a lot more knowledge
about Tarkin and his role to see him in this
tiny little episode or two episodes. Tarkin doesn't
make the statement. Anakin makes the statement
that Tarkin doesn't believe that the Jedi should
be burdened with leading the war effort anymore.
And is Tarkin wrong? No, not necessarily. I mean.
For the wrong reasons, maybe. He wants to be
more extreme. Right. I think on a scale of Satine
to Tarkin, neither of them think that the Jedi
should be leading the war, but for very, very
different reasons. Yeah, seriously. So I think
that potentially they're both correct. However,
what would they be doing? Their role would be
very questionable and everybody would be going,
well, then why are the Jedi not helping? Right,
they're supposed to be peacekeepers. So how do
they do that? I think, I think they would, they
would be more like what they're supposed to be
at the beginning of Phantom Menace. Yeah. Here
are two Jedis coming in to be diplomats. Yeah.
And, and that's what they should be doing the
whole time. They should be trying to have balance
between the two sides and hear everybody's complaints,
not fighting for one, which is hard when they've
sworn sort of an allegiance to the Republic.
Right. Yeah. But also not keeping Wookiees out
of slavery for whatever reason. Yeah, that's
fine. I mean, because there's Chewbacca who appears.
And that's the only one Wookiee you need to see,
ever. Ever. There's no other Wookiees. It's not
a thing. It did surprise me. Everybody, when
they see him, is absolutely gobsmacked to see
a Wookiee. And there's even, I believe, two characters
who were like, what is that? I was like, how
do you not know? Like, they're very... Obvious
species. Is their population small? Do they not
leave their planet a ton? Obviously there isn't
like a Wookiee Jedi at the moment, even though
there have been historically, like the High Republic
has, what is his name? Lobaka? Burriaga. Burriaga
Agaburri. So yeah, Burriaga in the High Republic,
but then there's also in Acolyte, there's one
as well. Yeah. With some real Shrek -like energy.
When you watch that, you'll know exactly what
I mean. Yes. So where I am in the show right
now, I just saw him walking. So I got a little
bit of the vibe, but haven't properly met. Excellent.
It ends an episode. The episode ended and I looked
over at my wife and I went, what are they, parodying
Shrek? I think that's maybe what I saw. Is it
when he throws out the two pirates? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's as you strike. Get out of my swamp.
Get out of my swamp. Wee. My last little silly
thing that I noticed in the Trindosian trophy
room at the very end of season three, there is
a crystal skull, all Indiana Jones and the crystal
skull. I think that's a direct reference to George
Lucas's other works for sure. It absolutely has
to be. And it cracked me up. I love it so much.
I was very excited to see it there because I
was going, well, they're in like a trophy room.
I wonder if there's anything in general on a
crystal skull. So I have no silly anecdotes and
only very serious things to discuss about what
is being brought into the Star Wars world via
these three seasons. Number one, most controversially,
it has never been clearer than this watch of
Clone Wars for these three episodes. that Luke
was right in The Last Jedi when he says it's
time for the Jedi to end. I'm in wholesale agreement
that the Jedi Order, as it exists right before
Revenge of the Sith, needed to die. Now, we know
that Luke knows a little bit about the Republic's
history and how Palpatine rose to power, right?
That's kind of contemporary life. That's like
if you were born in 2010, You know, what were
the 90s like? You would know a bit of how that
stuff happens. And we know that Luke did not
read the ancient Jedi texts, because Yoda specifically
asks him, read them, did you? Page turners they
are not, right? So we know that he hasn't really
studied the old Jedi Order. And he knows the
way of the Force through Yoda and Obi -Wan Kenobi.
But, like, the Jedi Order is in disarray. As
I said, they have too many parameters. That's
like, remember, don't get sued, aka don't join
the dark side. And that's like their main concern
for everything is avoiding the dark side at all
costs. Then you have people like Mace Windu,
who's learned to wield the dark side of somebody
else against them, right? So he's a little bit
more in touch with what's going on. We get Obi
-Wan, who starts to train after facing a double
-sided lightsaber. On how to face down multiple
lightsabers. Again, a lost Jedi art. We know
that Rey goes and finds force healing later on.
Which we do see in these three seasons. And we'll
get that when we talk about Mortis. But the Jedi
Order is dispassionate. Apathetic. Way too involved
in violent conflict. Not trying to balance the
universe at all. And caught up in political turmoil.
It is interesting to me that... In Master and
Apprentice, Qui -Gon says we should stop slavery.
And Yoda's like, nope. What? Is the light side
not about serving the good? Right. But then Yoda
makes this point where he's like, well, are we
to rule? And it gets political immediately. If
the Jedi start making all the decisions, we're
ruling. Right. Versus, and then in that same
sort of conversation, he says Qui -Gon would,
you know, these spider. Eat the weakest of their
young. Would you go and stop them? And Qui -Gon's
like, no, I'm not trying to force human ethics
on non -human species. But I think that there
are a great deal amount of species who know that
slavery is wrong. This isn't ethics from a cultural
standpoint. This is a business. And yet at the
same time, Mace, who I would say is a little
bit more in touch with kind of all aspects of
the Force and not caught up in Yoda's. 800 years
of esoteric knowledge esoteric knowledge and
red tape placing that he's done himself and yet
mace when he's confronted with the zillow beast
the dugs are like trying to exterminate it and
they're like this is our culture would you deny
us that and he's like heck yes i will so there
are some jedi who seem to have it but like the
jedi council as a whole is caught up in What
a lot of things get caught up in, in this giant
red tape of political establishment in trying
to make sure that they do the right thing instead
of the one place where you can listen to the
force and be moved by the force and go out and
do that. And so, yeah, I'm right with Luke when
he says it's time for the Jedi to end with the
caveat of it being, yes, the Jedi that we see
here, it's time for that to end, to go back to
the way it was. Right. In addition to that. We've
got three different planets and systems that
have been brought in that have established quite
a big foothold in what Star Wars is currently
doing or has ramifications on what's going on.
So we're going to talk about right now Mandalore,
Dathomir, and lastly, Mortis. Mandalore has always
been a huge component of Star Wars culture ever
since people have seen that T -shaped mask where
Vader. Points to Boba Fett and says, no disintegrations.
And Boba says, as you wish. And it moves on from
there. So Mandalore and the Mandalorian armor
have always been huge. Now, the old EU is extremely
different from what we get in Clone Wars. It
changes their culture quite a bit. Instead, they've
set up Mandalore and the current government under
Duchess Satine to be pacifist. They are in charge
of the Neutrality Coalition. And she's trying
to lead that up to make sure that not every system
has to go to war. But Mandalore has a history
of violence and great warriors and amazing armor
and all these weapons that would assist, you
know, a belligerent people might assist the dark
side or the Republic's kind of interested in
seeing if they'll come over to their side as
well. At least Palpatine's side is. Sort of like
a real -life parallel of Germany or Japan today,
sort of based off of past actions, although that's
a clunky metaphor. They're sort of morally bound
to peace based off of the past, not because of
a current -day cultural value. It's more of like
a, well, we've been bad, so therefore we should
be good now. So that culture, they don't have
that like actual sense of we are pacifists. It's
mainly like we have to be pacifists, which has
an oppressive nature to it, which means that
there's political turmoil there. And not all
the old ways have died out. We see that now with
the Mandalorian. So there's this mix of this
old and this new, but in hard to control areas
like a satellite moon. where you don't have as
firm of a grip as you do on your home planet,
you can watch the old ways grow. And that's where
Death Watch comes in. These old Mandalorian ways
that they want to get Duchess Satine out of.
So, and of course, all politics are corrupt.
Satine's government is corrupt. The Death Watch
people are corrupt. There's no good winner here.
And every time we go back to Mandalore, you go,
OK, these top three people helped us figure out
who the traitor was last time. Oh, no. One of
these top three people is the traitor this time.
Somebody last time went, you know, they messed
up this way, but I can improve. They're all Walter
White looking at that initial chemistry set.
Oh, my gosh. And of course, in Mandalore, we
also get Satine and Obi -Wan's relationship set
up, which is rumors abound. Is that really her
nephew? Or is that Obi -Wan and her son? We'll
never know. Number two is Dathomir, where we
are introduced to the Nightsisters, who are Force
users -ish. There's a lot more that needs to
be cleared up on this. But some people speculate,
including myself, that this is proof that anyone
can use the Force, but it might just be through
different methods. That the Jedi have their way,
the Sith have their way, which are two sides
of the same coin. But there might be a lot of
different ways in which people can use the Force.
This is a matriarchal society set up, at least
with the Nightsisters, in a very sort of punitive,
tribalistic, as you were saying, Spartan set
up. Then, of course, there's Ventress, who is
from Dathomir and grew up for a Nightsister for
a little bit before a bunch of things happen.
She's taken by slavers. She eventually ends up
with a Jedi account. Dooku finds her, et cetera,
et cetera. The fact is that the nine sisters
can use the force, and they can also meld the
force with physical materials. So there's sometimes
potions or physical touching, like in an exorcist
manner, and they have much more ritualistic or
sort of ancient ways about them, which does come
back in Ahsoka. But you have not seen that yet,
Sierra, so I will not spoil it yet. And then,
of course, there's Mortis, which to me is the
biggest thing about these three seasons. Now,
season three is already different tonally. Ahsoka
really grows up at the end of that season. There's
this whole, like, upping the stakes, returning
Maul. Sort of what Clone Wars eventually becomes
in seasons four through seven, it starts here.
Seasons one and two, entirely different, really,
show. Much more Saturday morning cartoon. Now
we're starting to hit into Star Wars lore that
matters and is solidified in all of this great
stuff. Mortis is a huge component and extremely
controversial when it came out. So, Obi -Wan,
Anakin, Ahsoka, all in one ship. Seems like a
bad idea. One laser, poof, your whole war effort's
dead. But nothing bad happens. No, they're in
the Charalithium system, which is basically like
a lot of crystals, structures are in that area.
And a giant red. crystalline structure pulls
them in a tractor beam kind of swallows them
up whole and they end up with an access point
to mortis mortis is a planet that has been whispered
about among travelers jedi sith for a long long
time and it's sort of a myth there are three
some people refer to them as the mortis gods
or the ones but three inhabitants of this planet
there's the father who's the embodiment of balance
and the force and able to control his children.
He's essentially kind of God and he looks like
Dumbledore slash Gandalf, but he's, he's dying
somehow, which is confusing. There's the son
who's the sort of physical embodiment of the
dark side, or he's super aligned with the dark
side. And somehow that affects the whole universe.
And there's the daughter who is the physical
embodiment or aligned with the light side. Interestingly,
the Lothal Jedi Temple, which Lothal is this
huge planet. It's like the central planet of
Rebels, the TV show. The Lothal Jedi Temple depicts
these three figures. And of course, we know that
that temple is one of the portals to the world
between worlds, which Sierra, you will get to.
And for our listeners is, as you guys know, extremely
important to a whole section of Star Wars lore.
Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi -Wan arrive. The father
knows Anakin is the Chosen One somehow, and essentially
proves that by making Anakin use the Force to
control both of his children, which only the
Chosen One should be able to do. He says the
point of the Chosen One is to take his place,
literally, when he dies, on Mortis, and keep
the balance between his children. Anakin refuses.
He's too attached to what he has been doing and
needs to go back, which I find fascinating. As
this is sort of transpiring, the son is growing
impatient for the father to die. The son, the
dark side, wants to go and be his own power and
nearly kills the father. And then he tricks Ahsoka
into working for him and infects her. Obi -Wan,
after seeing this, convinces the daughter to
attack the son because of what he's done. The
daughter procures a sword that can kill all of
these mortis gods. But long story short, Ahsoka
ends up with the sword, gives it to the son.
Son goes to kill the father. Daughter steps in
the way. Son kills the daughter, who the son,
the dark side, said this daughter was the only
one he ever really loved. Then the son, and this
is important. For any future Star Wars stuff.
The son then kills Ahsoka. He says, you've run
out of your usefulness. And drains whatever energy
is inside her. She's like a dead battery, basically.
Then the son leaves. And the father helps Anakin
to use what is essentially force healing. We
explained in Rise of Skywalker, force healing
is taking your life energy and mixing it into
a creature or another being. To heal them in
some way, shape, or form. And this is precisely
what happens. The daughter is dying, but she
still has life energy in her. And Anakin moves
that life energy of the physical embodiment of
the light side into Ahsoka's physical being.
Right. Which works. She's alive. And then cue
her being followed around by an owl forever.
That will come up in future shows. The son, being
confronted by Anakin, shows him that he'll become
Vader. and anakin goes kind of full adjacent
to the dark side and wants to kill the jedi interestingly
enough after being shown that he wants to be
vader to try to avoid becoming vader sort of
showing us that he's kind of doomed to do that
no matter what like there's kind of no avoiding
this sort of frustratingly for me from a like
a writing standpoint the father's i'm like no
you can't see that and erases all of his memories
the father then tricks the son by taking the
sword that can kill the Mortis gods and stabbing
himself, making the sun all contrite and sobbing
and just distracted enough for Anakin to come
up behind him and kill the sun. So by the time
they all leave the planet, which they say, as
Rex says, you guys have only been gone for like
a second. You were off there for a moment, off
our scopes for a moment. By the time they leave
and go back to the rest of the universe, all
three Mortis gods are dead. And nobody has really
any understanding of the ramifications of this.
So, Sierra, why does this matter? That's really
my question. Because, again, when we were watching
this, my husband, who has some really great commentary,
watched the whole... son showing Anakin vision
section and goes how does revenge happen because
how does that work if he has been shown all these
things and he knows the future and he knows all
these things are going to happen how does this
occur it doesn't make any sense but then the
father wipes his memories and my husband was
appeased and goes well I guess that's one way
so But it's a really stupid way to do that. In
my, in my not so humble opinion, I find that
we showed him and then we just got rid of it.
It's just like, it's like finding your sword
right at the end to slay the dragon. Oh, my sword
got broken, but here's this magic one that can
automatically kill this dragon. That's what this
feels like. So this whole plot line feels useless.
Honestly. it has these crazy ramifications and
potential for disaster or for good or, or something.
But in the end, it's kind of like, well, I guess
that did it. It's almost like a, and it was a
dream and they woke up. Well, okay. So it's,
it will. So, so it has, I have an issue because
if Anakin had not refused, if he'd stayed and
he had become the, true chosen one. And he had
brought balance to the force because this is
the planet is the force. Wildly. And Obi -Wan
is the one who's like, by the way, this planet's
the force. How the heck do you know that? Yeah.
And I mean, he's getting visions from Qui -Gon
and et cetera, et cetera. And who knows what
else he's seen on there, but would that have
actually brought. balance to the force is the
force not already in balance that's the father's
entire role so yeah what is the point of anakin
being there if the father dies somehow and the
son and the daughter are left and the son actually
truly cares for the daughter and wouldn't harm
her intentionally Wouldn't they balance themselves
out? Well, they can't leave the planet either,
right? Yeah, they can't leave. It's not like
you can build a ship out of her corpse. Yeah,
exactly. So he has to try to stow away on their
ship in order to leave the planet. And so they
have to go back and get him off the ship and
whatnot. But it's very frustrating because as
soon as the daughter was stabbed, I went, oh,
well, they're just going to have to kill all
three of them because then everything will be
in balance again because they'll be gone. Or,
you know, at least the son will have to die because
the father can exist on his own and then he's
dying anyway. It's a very odd plot line because
it really is very much, we showed you your future.
Oh, no, we didn't. Oh, Ahsoka's dead. Oh, no,
she's not. You were, you were gone for, we were
gone for days. You were only gone for a minute.
And it just feels like nothing. There's a ton
of like sort of little kids show elements to
this, to the story arc like that, that you're
mentioning the like, here it is. Nope. We got
rid of it. Here it is. No, it's okay. She's back.
That are frustrating, but like, okay, fine. Clone
Wars is a, is a show for kids, but because this
is canonical. And because this has not been proved
to being a fever dream in any way, shape or form.
Yeah. This is all now canonical stuff. So there's
huge ramification questions. Obi -Wan even says
that. He's like, this has huge ramifications
for the whole universe. I'm like, yeah, man,
thanks for like beating to death the subtext
here. Yeah. But like, how? Like, does, does.
If the sun died within the light side, when,
okay, what's the problem with that? Like goodness
happens more in the universe. How do these two
children affect the force in that way? With all
three of them dying, does that now mean that
humanity is much more in control, like the regular
people are much more in control of the wills
of the Force? Are there other beings, right?
Does this have to do with George Lucas' idea
of the wills being truly powerful Force gods
out there? Now, there's a lot of mystic Jedi
Force Sith stuff that we have not gotten to in
Star Wars and in TV shows. and not that much
in books either, that is definitely to be explored.
Ahsoka's really the only thing hitting that right
now. There's so much in Ahsoka's show that has
to do with ancient force, mysticism, religion
type of stuff. And Rebels touches on it a little
bit, especially when we do the world between
worlds. So I know that we're moving towards that
stuff, but it's frustrating because science fiction
can be light or heavy, and this has always been
science light. science fiction or science fantasy
star wars but now you've introduced much more
of like a system but the system makes no sense
yet and so to have this entire storyline where
it's like don't worry anakin got rid of everybody
and so now the force is balanced by who exactly
yeah now there are some interesting ramifications
from the show in terms of like anakin choosing
not to be the chosen one i think is awesome And
really cool for his character. And we'll talk
about that a little bit more later on. But also,
the ramification of how Ahsoka is alive and why
in some of the future shows that you'll be watching
and we'll be talking about, there does seem to
be this embodiment of Light Side following her
around. What does that have to do with the Force?
How is the Force being affected? There's something
in KOTOR 2 that, which is, you know, an old...
EU video game that's decanonized, but there's
ways that you can wound the force, right? Are
we getting into stuff like that? But it's been
years since this has come out and, and Star Wars
has been slow to make much of anything. A lot
of things have been said, this is happening and
then canceled. And so I like, I feel a little
bit like when people, when the Sagrada Familia
started getting built in Barcelona and people
like, well, I'll never see that in my lifetime.
I'm sitting here kind of being like, I don't
know if I'm ever going to get the answer in my
lifetime about what this episode means. And it
haunts me. Anyways, that's Mortis. If you guys
have any comments or theories, please message
us, email us, anything. You know, you don't always
have to face down a horde of angry soldiers by
yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners. It's our Sansa
is smarter than Jon category. What is the most
important character moment? Not to beat a dead
horse, but it's Anakin choosing to not be the
Chosen One. Right. He literally rejects, I guess,
what is supposed to be his destiny. Because he's
attached to Padme to helping the Jedi to the
war effort. Like, people need me. Overbalancing
the Force? I mean, to be fair, he's immediately
plunged into this very esoteric idea of you're
on a planet that is the force and you will bring
balance not explained. And by the way, you're
just going to have to stay here for the rest
of eternity. And your wife will just never know
what happened to you. Because this God, Mortis
God dies. So Anakin, is he going to get like
stretched on eternal life? Or is he going to
die when he's 100? Yeah, we don't know. Again,
I think, honestly, I don't know who would choose
to be the Chosen One, given how little information
he's given about what that would look like. What
does bringing balance to the Force look like?
It means me killing the last Sith Lord and then
dying. So then there's no one on the dark side?
Yeah. Oh, shoot, that's not balanced. Oh, wait.
Yeah, it's... Yeah. But then that Sith Lord returns
somehow. But Ben Solo can't. Whatever. It's fine.
It's fine. It's all good. It's fine. It's all
good. We're all fine over here. It's not fine.
I do think that is the most... Justice for Ben
Solo. Justice for Ben Solo. I do think that is
the most important character moment, though,
is seeing Anakin's attachment and love and desire
to help people more, like, physically than just,
like, staying on a planet and being like, Down
boy, down girl. Yeah. What the heck even is this?
But I couldn't find a different character moment
that I was like, this is more important. There's
just nothing that impacts Star Wars more than
that moment. Yeah, I would agree. There's a lot
of close calls, but no, this definitely is. But
we literally don't get Luke and Leia because
they didn't go on their two week retreat. So
we don't get Luke and Leia because it... They
have not conceived them yet. Yeah. When he goes
here, so whatever. I know both of us lost a hand
in frustration of talking about all of this,
but listen up. It's the I am your father category
for most iconic character moment. I've got, I'm
cheating a bit here. It's all of Obi -Wan's one
-liners, which I just think are the most iconic
part of these three seasons. There's some other
ones later on in terms of like dueling Maul in
Mandalore or Anakin facing down a whole bridge
of robots, whatever. There's a lot of that. But
I'll give you my prime example. Cad Bane, who's
excellent in this series, is leading Obi and
Mace to the holocron of four sensitive children.
And Mace steps on a booby trap, one of Bane's.
And Obi -Wan says, you really stepped in at this
time. So stupid. Crack open an encyclopedia,
as Elijah Wood once said. No. How could we have
known? Here we discuss the most important information
disseminated to the fandom over these three seasons.
I've got two bits here. Everything to do with
Mortis. I mean, how can it not? In all literalness,
how would we know unless Clone Wars had created
this? Right. And also the Dathomir Nightsisters,
and are they or are they not Force users? So,
and is it dark side adjacent? Is it light side
adjacent? Is it neutral? What is going on? So
I did a little bit of sleuthing. Reddit user
rtcelo from about a year ago said, the shorter
answer is that we don't know. It's a unique Force
tradition that accesses the power of the Force
through these... spells, as opposed to the traditional
sort of King Fu mysticism of the Jedi and Sith.
In Legends canon, it was much clearer that they
were a splinter sect descended from stranded
Jedi, and the Witches of Dathomir were mostly
light side users aside from the reviled Night
Sisters clan that were evil. Their actual powers
were shown as a devoted set of Jedi powers with
an unusual focus on animal manipulation and telekinesis.
But nothing truly weird or unexplainable. In
Disney canon, it's a lot less clear, and I'll
insert my own sentence here, at the moment. Now,
back to the quote. The Nightsisters aren't descended
from a crashed Jedi ship. They're the heirs to
a group of extragalactic witches. Their powers,
and the Ecor, that is only seen on Dathomir,
are shown as capable of doing things dramatically
different from the traditional Jedi -Sith power
set. The limitations of their powers and a deeper
understanding of how and why it works hasn't
been explained in canon yet, and most of what
we have is in -universe speculation or vague
statements from biased or untrustworthy sources.
Broadly speaking, there does seem to be a pattern
of evil Nightsisters, but we don't know if that's
because of something inherently corrupting about
magic, or if it's just coincidence because of
their small number of Nightsisters we see in
canon. Maren, in Fallen Order, the video game,
seems like a solid counterpoint as she uses magic
in clear opposition to the dark side and doesn't
display signs of corruption. So, there's the
answer you've all been looking for. Maybe, maybe,
I don't know. Yeah, I think between the two,
Mortis and Dathomir, there's a lot of information
that we just don't get anywhere else. There's
no... other location within the canon that we
have any of this. And so it really is kind of
vital that we hear it here. Um, and then kind
of, I guess jury's still out as to the ramifications
of any of this going forward, but yeah, hopefully
we'll see a lot more with us. Yeah. And hopefully
we'll see a lot more with the mall show, uh,
for some of the staff and your stuff. Yes. Yes.
That would be fantastic. I would love more. of
that backstory yeah but in the meantime keep
your horses safe it's the i'm gonna make a mouth
or i can't refuse category for best lines uh
you said one of mine already it's the who will
mark themselves as a cold -blooded killer and
then anakin just stabs him what he said he was
gonna blow up the ship Don't worry, just catch
them when they fall. A lot of the general's plans
involve falling. This one's a nice one. 65. That's
my total. So, what do I win? My everlasting respect,
Master Mundi. Oh. That's a gift Anakin rarely
ever bestows, I assure you. That's when they're
playing the counting game, right? And Kid Adamundi
kills way more than anybody. Yeah, they're counting
how many droids they've taken out. And Ahsoka
has technically won, but Anakin plays kind of
like a Gimli card. Yeah, that only counts as
one. Well, I took out this and that counted as
many more, so I win. And then Kiara Mundi reveals
that he has significantly more than either of
them. Way more. They're like in the 20s or something.
And he's like, I took out 65. I think they're
in 30s or maybe 40s or something like that. Yeah.
And then he comes in with 65. Yeah, I love Obi
-Wan. That's a gift Anakin rarely ever bestows.
I assure you. I do like that line. Uh, the quote
that I referenced earlier, uh, by Rex, I sure
hope this thing is safe. I don't want to end
up as a wall decoration. When they're getting
put into carbonite. They're being put into carbonite
to sneak in somewhere. And, uh, yeah, blatant
console reference. Yeah. Cause they're the enemy's
going to scan the ship for life forms and it
won't show up if they're frozen in carbonite.
Exactly. Um, I. The end of season three is crazy
on fan references where it's like, hey, Bosk,
hey, Chewie, hey, here's a Han Solo reference.
Hey, here's Tarkin. And you're just like, right,
okay, the originals exist. I get it. I've got
one. First of all, if we were picking one, I
would pick, I don't want to end up as a wall
decoration. That's incredible. And I laughed
really hard when I watched the episode. I did
too. I really like this quote just for the ramifications
of what it means for Anakin. He's talking to
Ahsoka about should the Jedi lead the war effort
or not because Tarkin doesn't think they should.
And she says something and he responds, maybe,
but we aren't soldiers. We're peacekeepers. The
Jedi Code often prevents us from going far enough
to achieve victory. I'm just like, oh, that's
a chilling line from Anakin Skywalker. Mm -hmm.
Yeah. Toss off that card deck and get ready to
shuffle. It's our Joker category. Who is the
MVP of these three seasons? Sierra? I mean, it
has to be Anakin. Right, yeah. How could it not
be? How could it not be? I would... My backup
option, or potentially a tie argument, would
be just the... clones as a whole maybe not at
this time one clone in particular later on in
the show I will be making specific MVP arguments
for specific clones however where we're at right
now we still are in the introductory phase with
them and so I will say kind of a batch of them
as a whole because they really bring a lot of
interesting questions and humanity to the show.
Yeah. I, I, I can see the clones as a, as a secondary
right now. I think, you know, if you think about
like the actual war effort, I'd be like, give
it to the soldiers for sure. But in terms of
the writing of the show, I think, and how is
it not Anakin, right? He saves a bunch of people.
He proves a bunch of things about the Jedi are
being corrupt. Like Obi's there, but he's not,
he's not MVP. He's clearly not MVP in the way
that like, I don't know. In the way that Padme
is clearly not the MVP, it's Qui -Gon of Phantom
Menace. I will say there's an honorable mention
to Obi -Wan, who does a lot of great things.
There's less of an honorable mention to Ahsoka,
but I'll put her up there. She does a lot of
good work. And I will be making specific MVP
arguments for her when we get to Season 7. I'll
tell you what. I'll tell you what. I tell you
what. What? I just told you. Anyways, in honor
of a mention to Cad Bane for kind of holding
down the fort on the only compelling villain
for a while. We didn't even talk about him, I'm
realizing. We have not mentioned him at all in
this episode. He's dope. Because this is the
moment. Cad Bane is awesome. Cad Bane rocks.
He is very clever. He... selects the right people
around him. He knows exactly what he needs to
get specifically to form a distraction, to get
the Jedi to think that he's headed somewhere
while he goes and steals a holocron. He is on
it every single moment. And also, I just want
to give a shout out for his character design,
which is super dope. Just so cool. And then,
not only that, but then we also, I also want
to shout out his voice actor, Corey Burton, for
such an interesting, gravelly, light voice. His
voice is a pleasure to listen to. It is so interesting
and compelling. I want... To be paying attention
when Cad Bane is on screen. Yes. Because his
voice, you know, it's interesting. My wife was
watching a bit of an episode at one point and
Cad Bane was on. And she said, man, it's crazy
how much the voice acting is so good on this
show. And it just does not match the art style
at all. And I'm in total agreement for the first
two episodes. In the second half of season three,
I think the animation really picks up. Especially
Ahsoka's Chewbacca. Two arc story of being lost.
Right. I think that animation is when we really
get into it. And I think like you think about
the glorious animation around the, the, like
the siege of Mandalorian season seven. I think
it's all great. I I'm right there with her though,
in terms of like Cad Bane, that voice like deserves
the best animation possible. And he's, they rely
so heavily on this sort of cowboy. trope but
then they they they avoid the cliche by making
him so smart like the jedi mace is not a an unintelligent
man obi -wan is not an unintelligent man and
he has them wrapped around his fingers even anakin
who's super smart can sense anything doesn't
realize that one of the clones is actually just
cad bane and swapped into a suit he's just So
great. So there's an honorable mention, certainly
for him as MVP. Yes, definitely. I will also
make it is not a real pound for pound argument.
I feel bad to say because there's just no way
to actually really beat Anakin in these first
three seasons. But pound for pound, I really
wanted to give him an honorable mention to Hondo.
Just for pure entertainment factor. He's great.
Another voice actor. Hondo's voice actor is Jim
Cummings, who's a phenomenal and fabulous voice
actor who, if you've done anything ever that
has voice acting in it, he's been in it for sure.
Like, did you play Elder Scrolls? He's in that.
Like, he's in everything you could possibly...
Have you ever watched Mickey Mouse Funhouse?
He's in that. He's in it. Have you seen Winnie
the Pooh? He's played him. Like, he's just...
He's kind of like Dee Bradley Baker, who's just,
like, also in everything. And deservedly. That's
not shots at them. They should be in as much
as they can be. Yes. For reference, Dee Bradley
Baker is the voice of all the clones. Is all
the clones. And many other characters. Yes, and
many other characters. But most significantly,
all the clones. So, Hondo is just, he's another
dope character in a very different way. Cad Bane
is like this serious, brooding, smart, whip of
a gunshot. who is the person that put the dent
in Boba's helmet, you know, that sort of thing.
Honda's just like this super annoying, charismatic,
like, I don't know. I feel like he's stereotypically,
it'd be like, Oh, he's a rug merchant, right?
Somebody that comes up to you with a toothy smile
in the middle of nowhere and tries to sell you
a rug is, is how a lot of people might perceive
him from a stereotypical side of things. But
he goes beyond that, that trope of this, like
sort of, outsider character and instead he's
just charismatic and oozes scum but in a way
that makes you appreciate him because he's just
so genuine and he's so friendly and he levels
with you instantly right like i should i suspect
trap yes but not by me like it's great he's fun
and he's great but it is anakin uh skywalker
And this is great because he probably will never
be MVP for anything else ever. But he definitely
deserves it here. Yeah. He might get LVP in Revenge
of the Sith. Just telling you now. Oh. Today's
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And fare thee well. I barely got that first clap
in. I was like, why is she counting? I saw the
panic in your eyes. I felt like the Grinch in
Jim Carrey's when it's like, pudding contest.
This is not pudding. What is it? Anyways, here
you go. Go for it. Mace, when the Dugs are trying
to kill the giant beast, what is it, the Zotilla?
No. The Zillow. The Zillow beast? Zillow beast,
yeah. The Zillow beast? Is it Zillow? No. It's
not Zillow. Z -I -L -L -O. The rental company.
Zillow. Without the W. Okay. That's funny. Anyway,
sorry. When Vader points at Boba Fett and says,
no disintegrations, and Boba goes, as you wish.
Which really means that he loves him. But Boba
falls down the hill and becomes a pirate and
gets executed and eventually comes back for Vader
and rescues him after battling a man left -handed
with a sword. Come on, it was a great reference.
It was a little bit of a stretch at the beginning,
but yes. As you wish. Yes, yes, yes. I cut that
out of there, Britt. I got nothing. Sorry. It's
1 .40 in the morning, and I'm very aware that
I have to be awake in six hours. I know. Yes.
Brittany, don't put that in the pod. You can
put me saying this in the bloopers, but you can't
actually put what I said. It will leave everybody
waiting for more. Okay. I'm looking up right
now. Where is an episode that he is in? I'm trying
to find it. Do you know that Google works? Like
you can just type in Cad Bane voice actor. His
name is Corey Burton. Corey Burton. See, but
I found it by going to the hostage rescue episode.
Well done. I went to it by clicking on IMDB.
Well, that's what I meant. Yeah, but I typed
in. Cad Bane voice actor and then clicked on
his IMDb. Aha, I see. Pondo voice actor. Jim
Cummings. Wait, it's Jim Cummings? Yeah. Oh my
God. You didn't realize that? No. I was going
to tell you, but I thought you'd want to be surprised.
Yeah. Yeah. What? Oh. Isn't he an Oscar winner?
He's the voice of Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. And
an infinite number of other things. He's not
an Oscar winner. He's an Emmy winner. Okay, my
bad. I mixed up which thing. So I really want
to... Oh, he's... Hondo's in Star Wars Outlaws?
I've been playing that game a lot and I have
not ran into him yet. So I'm excited about that.