WEBVTT 00:00:15.589 --> 00:00:18.510 Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast 00:00:18.510 --> 00:00:21.730 that covers everything you love and more. I'm 00:00:21.730 --> 00:00:25.969 Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's 00:00:25.969 --> 00:00:29.769 episode, we will be grossly gabbing about Star 00:00:29.769 --> 00:00:33.990 Wars Clone Wars seasons one through three, part 00:00:33.990 --> 00:00:38.429 two. Yes, part two. We went long in the last 00:00:38.429 --> 00:00:41.109 one, so here we are doing a whole nother half. 00:00:41.549 --> 00:00:44.630 Welcome. Keep your finger on the pause button. 00:00:45.130 --> 00:00:48.609 And rewind that tape. It's the prestige category. 00:00:49.170 --> 00:00:51.810 What did we notice on this watch through other 00:00:51.810 --> 00:00:54.049 than everything else that we just said? What's 00:00:54.049 --> 00:00:58.530 notable? I have just a couple little fun ones. 00:00:59.950 --> 00:01:03.630 I've got a bad feeling about this. It said 10 00:01:03.630 --> 00:01:06.689 times over the first three seasons. See, it doesn't 00:01:06.689 --> 00:01:08.769 have to come in every single Star Wars thing 00:01:08.769 --> 00:01:17.579 you've ever seen ever. My goodness. We get Fives 00:01:17.579 --> 00:01:21.239 makes a Han Solo reference, which is absolutely 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.340 fantastic. I'll have the quote a little bit later, 00:01:23.379 --> 00:01:27.480 but there's a Han Solo reference in there. My 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.359 own personal note is that the Arcona and the 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.959 Rodians have the best eyes in the galaxy. They 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.280 have galaxies in their eyes. They're so pretty. 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:40.620 What happened to Greedo? Oh my gosh. He's got 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:43.709 nothing. His eyes are dead. Here's Greedo. Okay. 00:01:43.750 --> 00:01:48.069 And then now he's gone. He's got no galaxies 00:01:48.069 --> 00:01:50.870 in his eyes. He's just, he's dead before he's 00:01:50.870 --> 00:01:55.870 dead. Then we also get Tarkin. Obviously I remember 00:01:55.870 --> 00:01:58.840 that Tarkin makes an appearance. but I forgot 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:02.519 all of the little moments where he and Anakin 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.579 are talking, or he's saying something and you 00:02:05.579 --> 00:02:09.240 see Obi -Wan kind of glancing between them, or 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:14.280 you hear Tarkin speaking and go, oh, well, I 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:18.000 guess he does end up doing that, and I guess 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.740 that is how that ship will be run, and it's very 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:25.620 interesting with the... With a lot more knowledge 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:29.340 about Tarkin and his role to see him in this 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:32.939 tiny little episode or two episodes. Tarkin doesn't 00:02:32.939 --> 00:02:34.360 make the statement. Anakin makes the statement 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:39.280 that Tarkin doesn't believe that the Jedi should 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:41.659 be burdened with leading the war effort anymore. 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:48.599 And is Tarkin wrong? No, not necessarily. I mean. 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:51.860 For the wrong reasons, maybe. He wants to be 00:02:51.860 --> 00:02:58.020 more extreme. Right. I think on a scale of Satine 00:02:58.020 --> 00:03:02.439 to Tarkin, neither of them think that the Jedi 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:04.180 should be leading the war, but for very, very 00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:07.080 different reasons. Yeah, seriously. So I think 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.280 that potentially they're both correct. However, 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.800 what would they be doing? Their role would be 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.060 very questionable and everybody would be going, 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.379 well, then why are the Jedi not helping? Right, 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:23.069 they're supposed to be peacekeepers. So how do 00:03:23.069 --> 00:03:24.949 they do that? I think, I think they would, they 00:03:24.949 --> 00:03:27.610 would be more like what they're supposed to be 00:03:27.610 --> 00:03:30.370 at the beginning of Phantom Menace. Yeah. Here 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:34.069 are two Jedis coming in to be diplomats. Yeah. 00:03:34.469 --> 00:03:36.069 And, and that's what they should be doing the 00:03:36.069 --> 00:03:37.669 whole time. They should be trying to have balance 00:03:37.669 --> 00:03:40.990 between the two sides and hear everybody's complaints, 00:03:41.169 --> 00:03:44.550 not fighting for one, which is hard when they've 00:03:44.550 --> 00:03:46.530 sworn sort of an allegiance to the Republic. 00:03:47.009 --> 00:03:50.129 Right. Yeah. But also not keeping Wookiees out 00:03:50.129 --> 00:03:52.469 of slavery for whatever reason. Yeah, that's 00:03:52.469 --> 00:03:55.250 fine. I mean, because there's Chewbacca who appears. 00:03:55.990 --> 00:03:57.969 And that's the only one Wookiee you need to see, 00:03:58.069 --> 00:04:03.430 ever. Ever. There's no other Wookiees. It's not 00:04:03.430 --> 00:04:07.349 a thing. It did surprise me. Everybody, when 00:04:07.349 --> 00:04:10.590 they see him, is absolutely gobsmacked to see 00:04:10.590 --> 00:04:13.889 a Wookiee. And there's even, I believe, two characters 00:04:13.889 --> 00:04:17.569 who were like, what is that? I was like, how 00:04:17.569 --> 00:04:22.589 do you not know? Like, they're very... Obvious 00:04:22.589 --> 00:04:26.129 species. Is their population small? Do they not 00:04:26.129 --> 00:04:28.569 leave their planet a ton? Obviously there isn't 00:04:28.569 --> 00:04:31.050 like a Wookiee Jedi at the moment, even though 00:04:31.050 --> 00:04:32.709 there have been historically, like the High Republic 00:04:32.709 --> 00:04:37.110 has, what is his name? Lobaka? Burriaga. Burriaga 00:04:37.110 --> 00:04:42.290 Agaburri. So yeah, Burriaga in the High Republic, 00:04:42.370 --> 00:04:48.009 but then there's also in Acolyte, there's one 00:04:48.009 --> 00:04:51.839 as well. Yeah. With some real Shrek -like energy. 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.040 When you watch that, you'll know exactly what 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.240 I mean. Yes. So where I am in the show right 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.439 now, I just saw him walking. So I got a little 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:07.839 bit of the vibe, but haven't properly met. Excellent. 00:05:07.899 --> 00:05:11.259 It ends an episode. The episode ended and I looked 00:05:11.259 --> 00:05:13.899 over at my wife and I went, what are they, parodying 00:05:13.899 --> 00:05:19.230 Shrek? I think that's maybe what I saw. Is it 00:05:19.230 --> 00:05:22.069 when he throws out the two pirates? Yeah. Yeah. 00:05:22.149 --> 00:05:24.709 Yeah. That's as you strike. Get out of my swamp. 00:05:24.850 --> 00:05:30.930 Get out of my swamp. Wee. My last little silly 00:05:30.930 --> 00:05:33.470 thing that I noticed in the Trindosian trophy 00:05:33.470 --> 00:05:36.329 room at the very end of season three, there is 00:05:36.329 --> 00:05:39.949 a crystal skull, all Indiana Jones and the crystal 00:05:39.949 --> 00:05:42.589 skull. I think that's a direct reference to George 00:05:42.589 --> 00:05:44.790 Lucas's other works for sure. It absolutely has 00:05:44.790 --> 00:05:47.949 to be. And it cracked me up. I love it so much. 00:05:48.589 --> 00:05:51.069 I was very excited to see it there because I 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:52.750 was going, well, they're in like a trophy room. 00:05:52.810 --> 00:05:54.209 I wonder if there's anything in general on a 00:05:54.209 --> 00:06:00.949 crystal skull. So I have no silly anecdotes and 00:06:00.949 --> 00:06:03.449 only very serious things to discuss about what 00:06:03.449 --> 00:06:07.569 is being brought into the Star Wars world via 00:06:07.569 --> 00:06:11.589 these three seasons. Number one, most controversially, 00:06:11.629 --> 00:06:14.850 it has never been clearer than this watch of 00:06:14.850 --> 00:06:17.740 Clone Wars for these three episodes. that Luke 00:06:17.740 --> 00:06:21.939 was right in The Last Jedi when he says it's 00:06:21.939 --> 00:06:25.740 time for the Jedi to end. I'm in wholesale agreement 00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:29.600 that the Jedi Order, as it exists right before 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.800 Revenge of the Sith, needed to die. Now, we know 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.540 that Luke knows a little bit about the Republic's 00:06:37.540 --> 00:06:41.800 history and how Palpatine rose to power, right? 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.680 That's kind of contemporary life. That's like 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.759 if you were born in 2010, You know, what were 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:51.079 the 90s like? You would know a bit of how that 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.319 stuff happens. And we know that Luke did not 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.040 read the ancient Jedi texts, because Yoda specifically 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.759 asks him, read them, did you? Page turners they 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.500 are not, right? So we know that he hasn't really 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:05.500 studied the old Jedi Order. And he knows the 00:07:05.500 --> 00:07:08.000 way of the Force through Yoda and Obi -Wan Kenobi. 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:13.060 But, like, the Jedi Order is in disarray. As 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:15.740 I said, they have too many parameters. That's 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:18.660 like, remember, don't get sued, aka don't join 00:07:18.660 --> 00:07:21.040 the dark side. And that's like their main concern 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.379 for everything is avoiding the dark side at all 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:26.139 costs. Then you have people like Mace Windu, 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.879 who's learned to wield the dark side of somebody 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.600 else against them, right? So he's a little bit 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.660 more in touch with what's going on. We get Obi 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:37.120 -Wan, who starts to train after facing a double 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.850 -sided lightsaber. On how to face down multiple 00:07:39.850 --> 00:07:42.790 lightsabers. Again, a lost Jedi art. We know 00:07:42.790 --> 00:07:46.170 that Rey goes and finds force healing later on. 00:07:46.230 --> 00:07:50.029 Which we do see in these three seasons. And we'll 00:07:50.029 --> 00:07:52.649 get that when we talk about Mortis. But the Jedi 00:07:52.649 --> 00:07:57.850 Order is dispassionate. Apathetic. Way too involved 00:07:57.850 --> 00:08:00.649 in violent conflict. Not trying to balance the 00:08:00.649 --> 00:08:04.769 universe at all. And caught up in political turmoil. 00:08:05.170 --> 00:08:08.620 It is interesting to me that... In Master and 00:08:08.620 --> 00:08:11.319 Apprentice, Qui -Gon says we should stop slavery. 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.220 And Yoda's like, nope. What? Is the light side 00:08:15.220 --> 00:08:18.540 not about serving the good? Right. But then Yoda 00:08:18.540 --> 00:08:19.920 makes this point where he's like, well, are we 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:22.740 to rule? And it gets political immediately. If 00:08:22.740 --> 00:08:24.519 the Jedi start making all the decisions, we're 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.519 ruling. Right. Versus, and then in that same 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:32.419 sort of conversation, he says Qui -Gon would, 00:08:32.539 --> 00:08:36.519 you know, these spider. Eat the weakest of their 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.820 young. Would you go and stop them? And Qui -Gon's 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:41.080 like, no, I'm not trying to force human ethics 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.919 on non -human species. But I think that there 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.220 are a great deal amount of species who know that 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:51.080 slavery is wrong. This isn't ethics from a cultural 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:55.419 standpoint. This is a business. And yet at the 00:08:55.419 --> 00:08:58.220 same time, Mace, who I would say is a little 00:08:58.220 --> 00:09:00.440 bit more in touch with kind of all aspects of 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.789 the Force and not caught up in Yoda's. 800 years 00:09:03.789 --> 00:09:07.990 of esoteric knowledge esoteric knowledge and 00:09:07.990 --> 00:09:11.070 red tape placing that he's done himself and yet 00:09:11.070 --> 00:09:13.830 mace when he's confronted with the zillow beast 00:09:13.830 --> 00:09:16.649 the dugs are like trying to exterminate it and 00:09:16.649 --> 00:09:18.570 they're like this is our culture would you deny 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:22.129 us that and he's like heck yes i will so there 00:09:22.129 --> 00:09:24.029 are some jedi who seem to have it but like the 00:09:24.029 --> 00:09:27.929 jedi council as a whole is caught up in What 00:09:27.929 --> 00:09:30.809 a lot of things get caught up in, in this giant 00:09:30.809 --> 00:09:33.789 red tape of political establishment in trying 00:09:33.789 --> 00:09:35.850 to make sure that they do the right thing instead 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:38.570 of the one place where you can listen to the 00:09:38.570 --> 00:09:40.769 force and be moved by the force and go out and 00:09:40.769 --> 00:09:44.190 do that. And so, yeah, I'm right with Luke when 00:09:44.190 --> 00:09:46.730 he says it's time for the Jedi to end with the 00:09:46.730 --> 00:09:49.509 caveat of it being, yes, the Jedi that we see 00:09:49.509 --> 00:09:53.190 here, it's time for that to end, to go back to 00:09:53.190 --> 00:09:56.990 the way it was. Right. In addition to that. We've 00:09:56.990 --> 00:10:01.409 got three different planets and systems that 00:10:01.409 --> 00:10:03.250 have been brought in that have established quite 00:10:03.250 --> 00:10:07.110 a big foothold in what Star Wars is currently 00:10:07.110 --> 00:10:09.610 doing or has ramifications on what's going on. 00:10:09.669 --> 00:10:11.690 So we're going to talk about right now Mandalore, 00:10:11.710 --> 00:10:17.570 Dathomir, and lastly, Mortis. Mandalore has always 00:10:17.570 --> 00:10:21.210 been a huge component of Star Wars culture ever 00:10:21.210 --> 00:10:23.309 since people have seen that T -shaped mask where 00:10:23.309 --> 00:10:27.019 Vader. Points to Boba Fett and says, no disintegrations. 00:10:27.019 --> 00:10:29.759 And Boba says, as you wish. And it moves on from 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.080 there. So Mandalore and the Mandalorian armor 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.019 have always been huge. Now, the old EU is extremely 00:10:37.019 --> 00:10:39.000 different from what we get in Clone Wars. It 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.860 changes their culture quite a bit. Instead, they've 00:10:41.860 --> 00:10:44.940 set up Mandalore and the current government under 00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:49.279 Duchess Satine to be pacifist. They are in charge 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:55.250 of the Neutrality Coalition. And she's trying 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:57.470 to lead that up to make sure that not every system 00:10:57.470 --> 00:11:00.909 has to go to war. But Mandalore has a history 00:11:00.909 --> 00:11:06.809 of violence and great warriors and amazing armor 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:09.830 and all these weapons that would assist, you 00:11:09.830 --> 00:11:11.669 know, a belligerent people might assist the dark 00:11:11.669 --> 00:11:13.549 side or the Republic's kind of interested in 00:11:13.549 --> 00:11:14.870 seeing if they'll come over to their side as 00:11:14.870 --> 00:11:18.580 well. At least Palpatine's side is. Sort of like 00:11:18.580 --> 00:11:21.580 a real -life parallel of Germany or Japan today, 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.539 sort of based off of past actions, although that's 00:11:25.539 --> 00:11:29.299 a clunky metaphor. They're sort of morally bound 00:11:29.299 --> 00:11:33.220 to peace based off of the past, not because of 00:11:33.220 --> 00:11:35.639 a current -day cultural value. It's more of like 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.960 a, well, we've been bad, so therefore we should 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:42.700 be good now. So that culture, they don't have 00:11:42.700 --> 00:11:45.980 that like actual sense of we are pacifists. It's 00:11:45.980 --> 00:11:48.620 mainly like we have to be pacifists, which has 00:11:48.620 --> 00:11:51.320 an oppressive nature to it, which means that 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.480 there's political turmoil there. And not all 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.779 the old ways have died out. We see that now with 00:11:56.779 --> 00:11:59.820 the Mandalorian. So there's this mix of this 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:03.059 old and this new, but in hard to control areas 00:12:03.059 --> 00:12:05.779 like a satellite moon. where you don't have as 00:12:05.779 --> 00:12:08.220 firm of a grip as you do on your home planet, 00:12:08.379 --> 00:12:11.100 you can watch the old ways grow. And that's where 00:12:11.100 --> 00:12:13.840 Death Watch comes in. These old Mandalorian ways 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.899 that they want to get Duchess Satine out of. 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:18.620 So, and of course, all politics are corrupt. 00:12:19.059 --> 00:12:22.000 Satine's government is corrupt. The Death Watch 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.320 people are corrupt. There's no good winner here. 00:12:26.250 --> 00:12:29.629 And every time we go back to Mandalore, you go, 00:12:29.750 --> 00:12:33.929 OK, these top three people helped us figure out 00:12:33.929 --> 00:12:37.269 who the traitor was last time. Oh, no. One of 00:12:37.269 --> 00:12:39.509 these top three people is the traitor this time. 00:12:40.149 --> 00:12:43.230 Somebody last time went, you know, they messed 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:47.529 up this way, but I can improve. They're all Walter 00:12:47.529 --> 00:12:51.190 White looking at that initial chemistry set. 00:12:51.350 --> 00:12:55.360 Oh, my gosh. And of course, in Mandalore, we 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.500 also get Satine and Obi -Wan's relationship set 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:03.539 up, which is rumors abound. Is that really her 00:13:03.539 --> 00:13:10.399 nephew? Or is that Obi -Wan and her son? We'll 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:15.000 never know. Number two is Dathomir, where we 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.100 are introduced to the Nightsisters, who are Force 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:21.919 users -ish. There's a lot more that needs to 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.970 be cleared up on this. But some people speculate, 00:13:25.250 --> 00:13:27.309 including myself, that this is proof that anyone 00:13:27.309 --> 00:13:29.509 can use the Force, but it might just be through 00:13:29.509 --> 00:13:32.289 different methods. That the Jedi have their way, 00:13:32.370 --> 00:13:33.950 the Sith have their way, which are two sides 00:13:33.950 --> 00:13:36.169 of the same coin. But there might be a lot of 00:13:36.169 --> 00:13:38.850 different ways in which people can use the Force. 00:13:39.330 --> 00:13:42.970 This is a matriarchal society set up, at least 00:13:42.970 --> 00:13:46.330 with the Nightsisters, in a very sort of punitive, 00:13:46.450 --> 00:13:49.889 tribalistic, as you were saying, Spartan set 00:13:49.889 --> 00:13:52.059 up. Then, of course, there's Ventress, who is 00:13:52.059 --> 00:13:54.200 from Dathomir and grew up for a Nightsister for 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.559 a little bit before a bunch of things happen. 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.879 She's taken by slavers. She eventually ends up 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.440 with a Jedi account. Dooku finds her, et cetera, 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:05.250 et cetera. The fact is that the nine sisters 00:14:05.250 --> 00:14:07.669 can use the force, and they can also meld the 00:14:07.669 --> 00:14:09.809 force with physical materials. So there's sometimes 00:14:09.809 --> 00:14:12.830 potions or physical touching, like in an exorcist 00:14:12.830 --> 00:14:15.230 manner, and they have much more ritualistic or 00:14:15.230 --> 00:14:16.950 sort of ancient ways about them, which does come 00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:19.250 back in Ahsoka. But you have not seen that yet, 00:14:19.330 --> 00:14:23.970 Sierra, so I will not spoil it yet. And then, 00:14:24.009 --> 00:14:27.190 of course, there's Mortis, which to me is the 00:14:27.190 --> 00:14:29.789 biggest thing about these three seasons. Now, 00:14:29.870 --> 00:14:33.669 season three is already different tonally. Ahsoka 00:14:33.669 --> 00:14:37.009 really grows up at the end of that season. There's 00:14:37.009 --> 00:14:39.649 this whole, like, upping the stakes, returning 00:14:39.649 --> 00:14:42.909 Maul. Sort of what Clone Wars eventually becomes 00:14:42.909 --> 00:14:47.029 in seasons four through seven, it starts here. 00:14:47.269 --> 00:14:49.610 Seasons one and two, entirely different, really, 00:14:49.730 --> 00:14:52.850 show. Much more Saturday morning cartoon. Now 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:56.110 we're starting to hit into Star Wars lore that 00:14:56.110 --> 00:14:58.990 matters and is solidified in all of this great 00:14:58.990 --> 00:15:02.080 stuff. Mortis is a huge component and extremely 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:06.860 controversial when it came out. So, Obi -Wan, 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:10.320 Anakin, Ahsoka, all in one ship. Seems like a 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.779 bad idea. One laser, poof, your whole war effort's 00:15:13.779 --> 00:15:19.120 dead. But nothing bad happens. No, they're in 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.620 the Charalithium system, which is basically like 00:15:22.620 --> 00:15:25.700 a lot of crystals, structures are in that area. 00:15:26.139 --> 00:15:30.500 And a giant red. crystalline structure pulls 00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:32.460 them in a tractor beam kind of swallows them 00:15:32.460 --> 00:15:35.379 up whole and they end up with an access point 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:39.600 to mortis mortis is a planet that has been whispered 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:44.080 about among travelers jedi sith for a long long 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.620 time and it's sort of a myth there are three 00:15:46.620 --> 00:15:49.139 some people refer to them as the mortis gods 00:15:49.139 --> 00:15:52.639 or the ones but three inhabitants of this planet 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.200 there's the father who's the embodiment of balance 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.120 and the force and able to control his children. 00:15:59.379 --> 00:16:01.879 He's essentially kind of God and he looks like 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.879 Dumbledore slash Gandalf, but he's, he's dying 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.840 somehow, which is confusing. There's the son 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.519 who's the sort of physical embodiment of the 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.960 dark side, or he's super aligned with the dark 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:15.960 side. And somehow that affects the whole universe. 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.259 And there's the daughter who is the physical 00:16:19.259 --> 00:16:24.250 embodiment or aligned with the light side. Interestingly, 00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:28.169 the Lothal Jedi Temple, which Lothal is this 00:16:28.169 --> 00:16:32.389 huge planet. It's like the central planet of 00:16:32.389 --> 00:16:36.490 Rebels, the TV show. The Lothal Jedi Temple depicts 00:16:36.490 --> 00:16:39.110 these three figures. And of course, we know that 00:16:39.110 --> 00:16:42.190 that temple is one of the portals to the world 00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:44.850 between worlds, which Sierra, you will get to. 00:16:44.909 --> 00:16:47.870 And for our listeners is, as you guys know, extremely 00:16:47.870 --> 00:16:52.090 important to a whole section of Star Wars lore. 00:16:53.450 --> 00:16:56.269 Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi -Wan arrive. The father 00:16:56.269 --> 00:16:59.370 knows Anakin is the Chosen One somehow, and essentially 00:16:59.370 --> 00:17:02.629 proves that by making Anakin use the Force to 00:17:02.629 --> 00:17:04.769 control both of his children, which only the 00:17:04.769 --> 00:17:07.690 Chosen One should be able to do. He says the 00:17:07.690 --> 00:17:10.970 point of the Chosen One is to take his place, 00:17:11.210 --> 00:17:15.210 literally, when he dies, on Mortis, and keep 00:17:15.210 --> 00:17:20.089 the balance between his children. Anakin refuses. 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:25.279 He's too attached to what he has been doing and 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.420 needs to go back, which I find fascinating. As 00:17:29.420 --> 00:17:32.799 this is sort of transpiring, the son is growing 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.759 impatient for the father to die. The son, the 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:39.880 dark side, wants to go and be his own power and 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.200 nearly kills the father. And then he tricks Ahsoka 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:47.420 into working for him and infects her. Obi -Wan, 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:49.400 after seeing this, convinces the daughter to 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.339 attack the son because of what he's done. The 00:17:52.339 --> 00:17:55.319 daughter procures a sword that can kill all of 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.779 these mortis gods. But long story short, Ahsoka 00:17:58.779 --> 00:18:00.940 ends up with the sword, gives it to the son. 00:18:01.299 --> 00:18:04.740 Son goes to kill the father. Daughter steps in 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:08.140 the way. Son kills the daughter, who the son, 00:18:08.140 --> 00:18:10.519 the dark side, said this daughter was the only 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:14.920 one he ever really loved. Then the son, and this 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.470 is important. For any future Star Wars stuff. 00:18:18.650 --> 00:18:21.829 The son then kills Ahsoka. He says, you've run 00:18:21.829 --> 00:18:25.150 out of your usefulness. And drains whatever energy 00:18:25.150 --> 00:18:28.210 is inside her. She's like a dead battery, basically. 00:18:28.569 --> 00:18:32.549 Then the son leaves. And the father helps Anakin 00:18:32.549 --> 00:18:36.109 to use what is essentially force healing. We 00:18:36.109 --> 00:18:38.250 explained in Rise of Skywalker, force healing 00:18:38.250 --> 00:18:41.549 is taking your life energy and mixing it into 00:18:41.549 --> 00:18:44.740 a creature or another being. To heal them in 00:18:44.740 --> 00:18:46.099 some way, shape, or form. And this is precisely 00:18:46.099 --> 00:18:48.339 what happens. The daughter is dying, but she 00:18:48.339 --> 00:18:51.539 still has life energy in her. And Anakin moves 00:18:51.539 --> 00:18:54.140 that life energy of the physical embodiment of 00:18:54.140 --> 00:18:57.460 the light side into Ahsoka's physical being. 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:02.240 Right. Which works. She's alive. And then cue 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.400 her being followed around by an owl forever. 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:10.940 That will come up in future shows. The son, being 00:19:10.940 --> 00:19:13.000 confronted by Anakin, shows him that he'll become 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.680 Vader. and anakin goes kind of full adjacent 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:21.299 to the dark side and wants to kill the jedi interestingly 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:23.180 enough after being shown that he wants to be 00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:26.500 vader to try to avoid becoming vader sort of 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:28.660 showing us that he's kind of doomed to do that 00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:30.579 no matter what like there's kind of no avoiding 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:35.099 this sort of frustratingly for me from a like 00:19:35.099 --> 00:19:36.720 a writing standpoint the father's i'm like no 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.440 you can't see that and erases all of his memories 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:44.190 the father then tricks the son by taking the 00:19:44.190 --> 00:19:46.230 sword that can kill the Mortis gods and stabbing 00:19:46.230 --> 00:19:51.289 himself, making the sun all contrite and sobbing 00:19:51.289 --> 00:19:55.890 and just distracted enough for Anakin to come 00:19:55.890 --> 00:20:00.269 up behind him and kill the sun. So by the time 00:20:00.269 --> 00:20:04.630 they all leave the planet, which they say, as 00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:06.690 Rex says, you guys have only been gone for like 00:20:06.690 --> 00:20:09.089 a second. You were off there for a moment, off 00:20:09.089 --> 00:20:11.359 our scopes for a moment. By the time they leave 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.559 and go back to the rest of the universe, all 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.579 three Mortis gods are dead. And nobody has really 00:20:18.579 --> 00:20:21.619 any understanding of the ramifications of this. 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:28.859 So, Sierra, why does this matter? That's really 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:32.460 my question. Because, again, when we were watching 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:35.779 this, my husband, who has some really great commentary, 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.400 watched the whole... son showing Anakin vision 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:46.160 section and goes how does revenge happen because 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:50.640 how does that work if he has been shown all these 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.019 things and he knows the future and he knows all 00:20:53.019 --> 00:20:56.220 these things are going to happen how does this 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:59.079 occur it doesn't make any sense but then the 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.940 father wipes his memories and my husband was 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:04.880 appeased and goes well I guess that's one way 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:09.779 so But it's a really stupid way to do that. In 00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:12.720 my, in my not so humble opinion, I find that 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.420 we showed him and then we just got rid of it. 00:21:15.460 --> 00:21:17.599 It's just like, it's like finding your sword 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:19.980 right at the end to slay the dragon. Oh, my sword 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:21.759 got broken, but here's this magic one that can 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:23.759 automatically kill this dragon. That's what this 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:29.980 feels like. So this whole plot line feels useless. 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.910 Honestly. it has these crazy ramifications and 00:21:34.910 --> 00:21:39.809 potential for disaster or for good or, or something. 00:21:40.210 --> 00:21:44.430 But in the end, it's kind of like, well, I guess 00:21:44.430 --> 00:21:47.329 that did it. It's almost like a, and it was a 00:21:47.329 --> 00:21:51.569 dream and they woke up. Well, okay. So it's, 00:21:51.569 --> 00:21:55.789 it will. So, so it has, I have an issue because 00:21:55.789 --> 00:21:59.930 if Anakin had not refused, if he'd stayed and 00:21:59.930 --> 00:22:03.660 he had become the, true chosen one. And he had 00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:06.740 brought balance to the force because this is 00:22:06.740 --> 00:22:11.359 the planet is the force. Wildly. And Obi -Wan 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.319 is the one who's like, by the way, this planet's 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.640 the force. How the heck do you know that? Yeah. 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:20.059 And I mean, he's getting visions from Qui -Gon 00:22:20.059 --> 00:22:22.339 and et cetera, et cetera. And who knows what 00:22:22.339 --> 00:22:25.880 else he's seen on there, but would that have 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.119 actually brought. balance to the force is the 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.480 force not already in balance that's the father's 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.460 entire role so yeah what is the point of anakin 00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:43.940 being there if the father dies somehow and the 00:22:43.940 --> 00:22:49.059 son and the daughter are left and the son actually 00:22:49.059 --> 00:22:53.859 truly cares for the daughter and wouldn't harm 00:22:53.859 --> 00:22:57.859 her intentionally Wouldn't they balance themselves 00:22:57.859 --> 00:23:00.599 out? Well, they can't leave the planet either, 00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.319 right? Yeah, they can't leave. It's not like 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.640 you can build a ship out of her corpse. Yeah, 00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:09.920 exactly. So he has to try to stow away on their 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:13.480 ship in order to leave the planet. And so they 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.640 have to go back and get him off the ship and 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.420 whatnot. But it's very frustrating because as 00:23:20.420 --> 00:23:26.529 soon as the daughter was stabbed, I went, oh, 00:23:26.549 --> 00:23:27.849 well, they're just going to have to kill all 00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:30.109 three of them because then everything will be 00:23:30.109 --> 00:23:33.109 in balance again because they'll be gone. Or, 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:36.190 you know, at least the son will have to die because 00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:39.710 the father can exist on his own and then he's 00:23:39.710 --> 00:23:46.230 dying anyway. It's a very odd plot line because 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:49.609 it really is very much, we showed you your future. 00:23:49.670 --> 00:23:53.009 Oh, no, we didn't. Oh, Ahsoka's dead. Oh, no, 00:23:53.049 --> 00:23:57.609 she's not. You were, you were gone for, we were 00:23:57.609 --> 00:23:59.829 gone for days. You were only gone for a minute. 00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:04.170 And it just feels like nothing. There's a ton 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:07.710 of like sort of little kids show elements to 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:09.890 this, to the story arc like that, that you're 00:24:09.890 --> 00:24:12.289 mentioning the like, here it is. Nope. We got 00:24:12.289 --> 00:24:14.450 rid of it. Here it is. No, it's okay. She's back. 00:24:15.069 --> 00:24:17.930 That are frustrating, but like, okay, fine. Clone 00:24:17.930 --> 00:24:21.490 Wars is a, is a show for kids, but because this 00:24:21.490 --> 00:24:24.089 is canonical. And because this has not been proved 00:24:24.089 --> 00:24:26.789 to being a fever dream in any way, shape or form. 00:24:27.009 --> 00:24:30.170 Yeah. This is all now canonical stuff. So there's 00:24:30.170 --> 00:24:33.170 huge ramification questions. Obi -Wan even says 00:24:33.170 --> 00:24:35.950 that. He's like, this has huge ramifications 00:24:35.950 --> 00:24:38.289 for the whole universe. I'm like, yeah, man, 00:24:38.329 --> 00:24:41.130 thanks for like beating to death the subtext 00:24:41.130 --> 00:24:45.210 here. Yeah. But like, how? Like, does, does. 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.079 If the sun died within the light side, when, 00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:50.380 okay, what's the problem with that? Like goodness 00:24:50.380 --> 00:24:52.900 happens more in the universe. How do these two 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:56.240 children affect the force in that way? With all 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.180 three of them dying, does that now mean that 00:24:58.180 --> 00:25:01.960 humanity is much more in control, like the regular 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.859 people are much more in control of the wills 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.079 of the Force? Are there other beings, right? 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.079 Does this have to do with George Lucas' idea 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:12.559 of the wills being truly powerful Force gods 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.599 out there? Now, there's a lot of mystic Jedi 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.140 Force Sith stuff that we have not gotten to in 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:22.400 Star Wars and in TV shows. and not that much 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.859 in books either, that is definitely to be explored. 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.700 Ahsoka's really the only thing hitting that right 00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:31.400 now. There's so much in Ahsoka's show that has 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:34.059 to do with ancient force, mysticism, religion 00:25:34.059 --> 00:25:37.259 type of stuff. And Rebels touches on it a little 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:38.859 bit, especially when we do the world between 00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:42.079 worlds. So I know that we're moving towards that 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.700 stuff, but it's frustrating because science fiction 00:25:45.700 --> 00:25:48.140 can be light or heavy, and this has always been 00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:51.319 science light. science fiction or science fantasy 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.880 star wars but now you've introduced much more 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.619 of like a system but the system makes no sense 00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:59.839 yet and so to have this entire storyline where 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.000 it's like don't worry anakin got rid of everybody 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.059 and so now the force is balanced by who exactly 00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:09.500 yeah now there are some interesting ramifications 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:12.759 from the show in terms of like anakin choosing 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.930 not to be the chosen one i think is awesome And 00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:17.490 really cool for his character. And we'll talk 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:20.809 about that a little bit more later on. But also, 00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:24.950 the ramification of how Ahsoka is alive and why 00:26:24.950 --> 00:26:28.609 in some of the future shows that you'll be watching 00:26:28.609 --> 00:26:31.250 and we'll be talking about, there does seem to 00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:33.950 be this embodiment of Light Side following her 00:26:33.950 --> 00:26:37.329 around. What does that have to do with the Force? 00:26:37.869 --> 00:26:40.849 How is the Force being affected? There's something 00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:44.130 in KOTOR 2 that, which is, you know, an old... 00:26:44.490 --> 00:26:48.210 EU video game that's decanonized, but there's 00:26:48.210 --> 00:26:50.809 ways that you can wound the force, right? Are 00:26:50.809 --> 00:26:54.069 we getting into stuff like that? But it's been 00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:56.210 years since this has come out and, and Star Wars 00:26:56.210 --> 00:26:59.970 has been slow to make much of anything. A lot 00:26:59.970 --> 00:27:02.450 of things have been said, this is happening and 00:27:02.450 --> 00:27:06.369 then canceled. And so I like, I feel a little 00:27:06.369 --> 00:27:09.329 bit like when people, when the Sagrada Familia 00:27:09.329 --> 00:27:11.309 started getting built in Barcelona and people 00:27:11.309 --> 00:27:12.849 like, well, I'll never see that in my lifetime. 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.359 I'm sitting here kind of being like, I don't 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:16.759 know if I'm ever going to get the answer in my 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.480 lifetime about what this episode means. And it 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:26.779 haunts me. Anyways, that's Mortis. If you guys 00:27:26.779 --> 00:27:28.859 have any comments or theories, please message 00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:33.039 us, email us, anything. You know, you don't always 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.480 have to face down a horde of angry soldiers by 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.549 yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners. It's our Sansa 00:27:39.549 --> 00:27:42.990 is smarter than Jon category. What is the most 00:27:42.990 --> 00:27:47.150 important character moment? Not to beat a dead 00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:49.829 horse, but it's Anakin choosing to not be the 00:27:49.829 --> 00:27:53.529 Chosen One. Right. He literally rejects, I guess, 00:27:53.630 --> 00:27:58.029 what is supposed to be his destiny. Because he's 00:27:58.029 --> 00:28:01.150 attached to Padme to helping the Jedi to the 00:28:01.150 --> 00:28:05.349 war effort. Like, people need me. Overbalancing 00:28:05.349 --> 00:28:09.670 the Force? I mean, to be fair, he's immediately 00:28:09.670 --> 00:28:15.710 plunged into this very esoteric idea of you're 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:19.750 on a planet that is the force and you will bring 00:28:19.750 --> 00:28:24.150 balance not explained. And by the way, you're 00:28:24.150 --> 00:28:25.869 just going to have to stay here for the rest 00:28:25.869 --> 00:28:28.609 of eternity. And your wife will just never know 00:28:28.609 --> 00:28:31.589 what happened to you. Because this God, Mortis 00:28:31.589 --> 00:28:34.349 God dies. So Anakin, is he going to get like 00:28:34.349 --> 00:28:37.569 stretched on eternal life? Or is he going to 00:28:37.569 --> 00:28:40.970 die when he's 100? Yeah, we don't know. Again, 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:44.750 I think, honestly, I don't know who would choose 00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:47.769 to be the Chosen One, given how little information 00:28:47.769 --> 00:28:51.210 he's given about what that would look like. What 00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:52.670 does bringing balance to the Force look like? 00:28:52.750 --> 00:28:55.170 It means me killing the last Sith Lord and then 00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:57.970 dying. So then there's no one on the dark side? 00:28:58.109 --> 00:29:00.809 Yeah. Oh, shoot, that's not balanced. Oh, wait. 00:29:02.710 --> 00:29:07.480 Yeah, it's... Yeah. But then that Sith Lord returns 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:12.519 somehow. But Ben Solo can't. Whatever. It's fine. 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.640 It's fine. It's all good. It's fine. It's all 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.980 good. We're all fine over here. It's not fine. 00:29:17.180 --> 00:29:19.539 I do think that is the most... Justice for Ben 00:29:19.539 --> 00:29:22.819 Solo. Justice for Ben Solo. I do think that is 00:29:22.819 --> 00:29:24.420 the most important character moment, though, 00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:28.779 is seeing Anakin's attachment and love and desire 00:29:28.779 --> 00:29:33.019 to help people more, like, physically than just, 00:29:33.019 --> 00:29:35.400 like, staying on a planet and being like, Down 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:40.420 boy, down girl. Yeah. What the heck even is this? 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.759 But I couldn't find a different character moment 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.799 that I was like, this is more important. There's 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:49.160 just nothing that impacts Star Wars more than 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:53.019 that moment. Yeah, I would agree. There's a lot 00:29:53.019 --> 00:29:56.019 of close calls, but no, this definitely is. But 00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:57.960 we literally don't get Luke and Leia because 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.380 they didn't go on their two week retreat. So 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.500 we don't get Luke and Leia because it... They 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:08.180 have not conceived them yet. Yeah. When he goes 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:13.140 here, so whatever. I know both of us lost a hand 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:16.019 in frustration of talking about all of this, 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:21.559 but listen up. It's the I am your father category 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:25.940 for most iconic character moment. I've got, I'm 00:30:25.940 --> 00:30:28.740 cheating a bit here. It's all of Obi -Wan's one 00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:31.099 -liners, which I just think are the most iconic 00:30:31.099 --> 00:30:34.539 part of these three seasons. There's some other 00:30:34.539 --> 00:30:38.240 ones later on in terms of like dueling Maul in 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.160 Mandalore or Anakin facing down a whole bridge 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.099 of robots, whatever. There's a lot of that. But 00:30:45.099 --> 00:30:48.519 I'll give you my prime example. Cad Bane, who's 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.779 excellent in this series, is leading Obi and 00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:55.039 Mace to the holocron of four sensitive children. 00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:59.140 And Mace steps on a booby trap, one of Bane's. 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.599 And Obi -Wan says, you really stepped in at this 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:08.579 time. So stupid. Crack open an encyclopedia, 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.460 as Elijah Wood once said. No. How could we have 00:31:12.460 --> 00:31:15.200 known? Here we discuss the most important information 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.740 disseminated to the fandom over these three seasons. 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.880 I've got two bits here. Everything to do with 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:28.539 Mortis. I mean, how can it not? In all literalness, 00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.000 how would we know unless Clone Wars had created 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.990 this? Right. And also the Dathomir Nightsisters, 00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:40.109 and are they or are they not Force users? So, 00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:43.150 and is it dark side adjacent? Is it light side 00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:45.450 adjacent? Is it neutral? What is going on? So 00:31:45.450 --> 00:31:49.869 I did a little bit of sleuthing. Reddit user 00:31:49.869 --> 00:31:53.730 rtcelo from about a year ago said, the shorter 00:31:53.730 --> 00:31:56.309 answer is that we don't know. It's a unique Force 00:31:56.309 --> 00:31:58.890 tradition that accesses the power of the Force 00:31:58.890 --> 00:32:02.819 through these... spells, as opposed to the traditional 00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:06.819 sort of King Fu mysticism of the Jedi and Sith. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.339 In Legends canon, it was much clearer that they 00:32:10.339 --> 00:32:12.880 were a splinter sect descended from stranded 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.940 Jedi, and the Witches of Dathomir were mostly 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:18.740 light side users aside from the reviled Night 00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:22.599 Sisters clan that were evil. Their actual powers 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.259 were shown as a devoted set of Jedi powers with 00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:28.640 an unusual focus on animal manipulation and telekinesis. 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.200 But nothing truly weird or unexplainable. In 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.180 Disney canon, it's a lot less clear, and I'll 00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:38.420 insert my own sentence here, at the moment. Now, 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.579 back to the quote. The Nightsisters aren't descended 00:32:41.579 --> 00:32:44.779 from a crashed Jedi ship. They're the heirs to 00:32:44.779 --> 00:32:48.640 a group of extragalactic witches. Their powers, 00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:51.920 and the Ecor, that is only seen on Dathomir, 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.799 are shown as capable of doing things dramatically 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.420 different from the traditional Jedi -Sith power 00:32:57.420 --> 00:33:00.509 set. The limitations of their powers and a deeper 00:33:00.509 --> 00:33:02.670 understanding of how and why it works hasn't 00:33:02.670 --> 00:33:06.250 been explained in canon yet, and most of what 00:33:06.250 --> 00:33:09.410 we have is in -universe speculation or vague 00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:11.650 statements from biased or untrustworthy sources. 00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:15.009 Broadly speaking, there does seem to be a pattern 00:33:15.009 --> 00:33:18.309 of evil Nightsisters, but we don't know if that's 00:33:18.309 --> 00:33:20.470 because of something inherently corrupting about 00:33:20.470 --> 00:33:23.690 magic, or if it's just coincidence because of 00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:26.450 their small number of Nightsisters we see in 00:33:26.450 --> 00:33:30.180 canon. Maren, in Fallen Order, the video game, 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.839 seems like a solid counterpoint as she uses magic 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.180 in clear opposition to the dark side and doesn't 00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:40.660 display signs of corruption. So, there's the 00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:43.160 answer you've all been looking for. Maybe, maybe, 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:49.319 I don't know. Yeah, I think between the two, 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.559 Mortis and Dathomir, there's a lot of information 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.599 that we just don't get anywhere else. There's 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.170 no... other location within the canon that we 00:33:59.170 --> 00:34:04.109 have any of this. And so it really is kind of 00:34:04.109 --> 00:34:09.010 vital that we hear it here. Um, and then kind 00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:11.730 of, I guess jury's still out as to the ramifications 00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:14.869 of any of this going forward, but yeah, hopefully 00:34:14.869 --> 00:34:18.250 we'll see a lot more with us. Yeah. And hopefully 00:34:18.250 --> 00:34:20.349 we'll see a lot more with the mall show, uh, 00:34:20.389 --> 00:34:23.090 for some of the staff and your stuff. Yes. Yes. 00:34:23.150 --> 00:34:26.619 That would be fantastic. I would love more. of 00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:30.500 that backstory yeah but in the meantime keep 00:34:30.500 --> 00:34:33.780 your horses safe it's the i'm gonna make a mouth 00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:39.039 or i can't refuse category for best lines uh 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.340 you said one of mine already it's the who will 00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:44.940 mark themselves as a cold -blooded killer and 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:48.159 then anakin just stabs him what he said he was 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:54.920 gonna blow up the ship Don't worry, just catch 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.920 them when they fall. A lot of the general's plans 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:07.280 involve falling. This one's a nice one. 65. That's 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.119 my total. So, what do I win? My everlasting respect, 00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:16.159 Master Mundi. Oh. That's a gift Anakin rarely 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.820 ever bestows, I assure you. That's when they're 00:35:19.820 --> 00:35:21.739 playing the counting game, right? And Kid Adamundi 00:35:21.739 --> 00:35:25.059 kills way more than anybody. Yeah, they're counting 00:35:25.059 --> 00:35:28.800 how many droids they've taken out. And Ahsoka 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:33.619 has technically won, but Anakin plays kind of 00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:37.219 like a Gimli card. Yeah, that only counts as 00:35:37.219 --> 00:35:41.880 one. Well, I took out this and that counted as 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:48.260 many more, so I win. And then Kiara Mundi reveals 00:35:48.260 --> 00:35:51.219 that he has significantly more than either of 00:35:51.219 --> 00:35:53.599 them. Way more. They're like in the 20s or something. 00:35:53.659 --> 00:35:55.480 And he's like, I took out 65. I think they're 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.559 in 30s or maybe 40s or something like that. Yeah. 00:35:57.619 --> 00:36:02.559 And then he comes in with 65. Yeah, I love Obi 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.679 -Wan. That's a gift Anakin rarely ever bestows. 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.809 I assure you. I do like that line. Uh, the quote 00:36:10.809 --> 00:36:15.070 that I referenced earlier, uh, by Rex, I sure 00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:17.449 hope this thing is safe. I don't want to end 00:36:17.449 --> 00:36:19.510 up as a wall decoration. When they're getting 00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:22.030 put into carbonite. They're being put into carbonite 00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:26.510 to sneak in somewhere. And, uh, yeah, blatant 00:36:26.510 --> 00:36:29.530 console reference. Yeah. Cause they're the enemy's 00:36:29.530 --> 00:36:31.030 going to scan the ship for life forms and it 00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:32.710 won't show up if they're frozen in carbonite. 00:36:32.809 --> 00:36:37.239 Exactly. Um, I. The end of season three is crazy 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.880 on fan references where it's like, hey, Bosk, 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.400 hey, Chewie, hey, here's a Han Solo reference. 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.400 Hey, here's Tarkin. And you're just like, right, 00:36:46.699 --> 00:36:52.679 okay, the originals exist. I get it. I've got 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.519 one. First of all, if we were picking one, I 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.320 would pick, I don't want to end up as a wall 00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.360 decoration. That's incredible. And I laughed 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.559 really hard when I watched the episode. I did 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:08.289 too. I really like this quote just for the ramifications 00:37:08.289 --> 00:37:11.289 of what it means for Anakin. He's talking to 00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:14.409 Ahsoka about should the Jedi lead the war effort 00:37:14.409 --> 00:37:16.170 or not because Tarkin doesn't think they should. 00:37:16.369 --> 00:37:18.730 And she says something and he responds, maybe, 00:37:18.889 --> 00:37:22.909 but we aren't soldiers. We're peacekeepers. The 00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:26.230 Jedi Code often prevents us from going far enough 00:37:26.230 --> 00:37:31.090 to achieve victory. I'm just like, oh, that's 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:34.860 a chilling line from Anakin Skywalker. Mm -hmm. 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.500 Yeah. Toss off that card deck and get ready to 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:42.159 shuffle. It's our Joker category. Who is the 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:47.760 MVP of these three seasons? Sierra? I mean, it 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.039 has to be Anakin. Right, yeah. How could it not 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:57.739 be? How could it not be? I would... My backup 00:37:57.739 --> 00:38:01.940 option, or potentially a tie argument, would 00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:07.219 be just the... clones as a whole maybe not at 00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:11.099 this time one clone in particular later on in 00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:15.159 the show I will be making specific MVP arguments 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.659 for specific clones however where we're at right 00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:21.940 now we still are in the introductory phase with 00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:25.480 them and so I will say kind of a batch of them 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:31.019 as a whole because they really bring a lot of 00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:33.920 interesting questions and humanity to the show. 00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:39.360 Yeah. I, I, I can see the clones as a, as a secondary 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.079 right now. I think, you know, if you think about 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:43.900 like the actual war effort, I'd be like, give 00:38:43.900 --> 00:38:45.920 it to the soldiers for sure. But in terms of 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.460 the writing of the show, I think, and how is 00:38:48.460 --> 00:38:52.099 it not Anakin, right? He saves a bunch of people. 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.780 He proves a bunch of things about the Jedi are 00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:56.440 being corrupt. Like Obi's there, but he's not, 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.860 he's not MVP. He's clearly not MVP in the way 00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:03.269 that like, I don't know. In the way that Padme 00:39:03.269 --> 00:39:06.090 is clearly not the MVP, it's Qui -Gon of Phantom 00:39:06.090 --> 00:39:10.170 Menace. I will say there's an honorable mention 00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:12.269 to Obi -Wan, who does a lot of great things. 00:39:12.889 --> 00:39:15.369 There's less of an honorable mention to Ahsoka, 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:17.670 but I'll put her up there. She does a lot of 00:39:17.670 --> 00:39:22.610 good work. And I will be making specific MVP 00:39:22.610 --> 00:39:25.829 arguments for her when we get to Season 7. I'll 00:39:25.829 --> 00:39:29.559 tell you what. I'll tell you what. I tell you 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:33.039 what. What? I just told you. Anyways, in honor 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.900 of a mention to Cad Bane for kind of holding 00:39:35.900 --> 00:39:38.920 down the fort on the only compelling villain 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.599 for a while. We didn't even talk about him, I'm 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.000 realizing. We have not mentioned him at all in 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.480 this episode. He's dope. Because this is the 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.559 moment. Cad Bane is awesome. Cad Bane rocks. 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:59.219 He is very clever. He... selects the right people 00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:03.579 around him. He knows exactly what he needs to 00:40:03.579 --> 00:40:07.679 get specifically to form a distraction, to get 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.119 the Jedi to think that he's headed somewhere 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:14.260 while he goes and steals a holocron. He is on 00:40:14.260 --> 00:40:20.460 it every single moment. And also, I just want 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.320 to give a shout out for his character design, 00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:28.739 which is super dope. Just so cool. And then, 00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:32.519 not only that, but then we also, I also want 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.960 to shout out his voice actor, Corey Burton, for 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:45.400 such an interesting, gravelly, light voice. His 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.199 voice is a pleasure to listen to. It is so interesting 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.519 and compelling. I want... To be paying attention 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.739 when Cad Bane is on screen. Yes. Because his 00:40:56.739 --> 00:40:59.159 voice, you know, it's interesting. My wife was 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.599 watching a bit of an episode at one point and 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.079 Cad Bane was on. And she said, man, it's crazy 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.480 how much the voice acting is so good on this 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.340 show. And it just does not match the art style 00:41:10.340 --> 00:41:13.760 at all. And I'm in total agreement for the first 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.860 two episodes. In the second half of season three, 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.260 I think the animation really picks up. Especially 00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:24.050 Ahsoka's Chewbacca. Two arc story of being lost. 00:41:24.369 --> 00:41:26.389 Right. I think that animation is when we really 00:41:26.389 --> 00:41:28.210 get into it. And I think like you think about 00:41:28.210 --> 00:41:31.630 the glorious animation around the, the, like 00:41:31.630 --> 00:41:33.809 the siege of Mandalorian season seven. I think 00:41:33.809 --> 00:41:36.769 it's all great. I I'm right there with her though, 00:41:36.809 --> 00:41:40.590 in terms of like Cad Bane, that voice like deserves 00:41:40.590 --> 00:41:45.469 the best animation possible. And he's, they rely 00:41:45.469 --> 00:41:48.579 so heavily on this sort of cowboy. trope but 00:41:48.579 --> 00:41:52.940 then they they they avoid the cliche by making 00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:59.800 him so smart like the jedi mace is not a an unintelligent 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.559 man obi -wan is not an unintelligent man and 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.079 he has them wrapped around his fingers even anakin 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.860 who's super smart can sense anything doesn't 00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:10.800 realize that one of the clones is actually just 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.699 cad bane and swapped into a suit he's just So 00:42:15.699 --> 00:42:18.400 great. So there's an honorable mention, certainly 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:23.260 for him as MVP. Yes, definitely. I will also 00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:26.119 make it is not a real pound for pound argument. 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:30.679 I feel bad to say because there's just no way 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.940 to actually really beat Anakin in these first 00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:35.559 three seasons. But pound for pound, I really 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.059 wanted to give him an honorable mention to Hondo. 00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:42.860 Just for pure entertainment factor. He's great. 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.980 Another voice actor. Hondo's voice actor is Jim 00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.900 Cummings, who's a phenomenal and fabulous voice 00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:51.039 actor who, if you've done anything ever that 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.159 has voice acting in it, he's been in it for sure. 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.639 Like, did you play Elder Scrolls? He's in that. 00:42:55.940 --> 00:42:58.639 Like, he's in everything you could possibly... 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.880 Have you ever watched Mickey Mouse Funhouse? 00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:03.539 He's in that. He's in it. Have you seen Winnie 00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:06.059 the Pooh? He's played him. Like, he's just... 00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:07.880 He's kind of like Dee Bradley Baker, who's just, 00:43:07.900 --> 00:43:11.739 like, also in everything. And deservedly. That's 00:43:11.739 --> 00:43:14.139 not shots at them. They should be in as much 00:43:14.139 --> 00:43:17.619 as they can be. Yes. For reference, Dee Bradley 00:43:17.619 --> 00:43:20.019 Baker is the voice of all the clones. Is all 00:43:20.019 --> 00:43:23.079 the clones. And many other characters. Yes, and 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.820 many other characters. But most significantly, 00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:29.380 all the clones. So, Hondo is just, he's another 00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.860 dope character in a very different way. Cad Bane 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:36.679 is like this serious, brooding, smart, whip of 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.940 a gunshot. who is the person that put the dent 00:43:39.940 --> 00:43:42.260 in Boba's helmet, you know, that sort of thing. 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.460 Honda's just like this super annoying, charismatic, 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.219 like, I don't know. I feel like he's stereotypically, 00:43:51.219 --> 00:43:53.199 it'd be like, Oh, he's a rug merchant, right? 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.699 Somebody that comes up to you with a toothy smile 00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:58.219 in the middle of nowhere and tries to sell you 00:43:58.219 --> 00:44:00.760 a rug is, is how a lot of people might perceive 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.400 him from a stereotypical side of things. But 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.320 he goes beyond that, that trope of this, like 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:11.619 sort of, outsider character and instead he's 00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:18.800 just charismatic and oozes scum but in a way 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.960 that makes you appreciate him because he's just 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.699 so genuine and he's so friendly and he levels 00:44:24.699 --> 00:44:28.199 with you instantly right like i should i suspect 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:32.300 trap yes but not by me like it's great he's fun 00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.179 and he's great but it is anakin uh skywalker 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.360 And this is great because he probably will never 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.599 be MVP for anything else ever. But he definitely 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.519 deserves it here. Yeah. He might get LVP in Revenge 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.860 of the Sith. Just telling you now. Oh. Today's 00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:53.480 public service announcement. When given the choice 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:56.920 to be the chosen one or go back to your wife, 00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:59.699 just remember you have twins to father. So the 00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:03.239 galaxy will be saved one day from your shenanigans. 00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:11.969 But that's just semantics. Thank you, dear listener 00:45:11.969 --> 00:45:14.250 Schmissners, for listening to this episode of 00:45:14.250 --> 00:45:16.809 Fandom Schmandom. If you'd like to discuss this 00:45:16.809 --> 00:45:19.510 episode or any other episode we've done, please 00:45:19.510 --> 00:45:22.010 hit us up on our social media channels. You can 00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:24.949 find us on TikTok and Instagram at Fandom Schmandom 00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:28.409 Pod and on X at Fandom underscore Schmandom. 00:45:28.789 --> 00:45:30.869 Please don't forget to rate and review us if 00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:32.769 you liked the episode. It really helps the algorithm 00:45:32.769 --> 00:45:36.050 place us in front of other like -minded Schmissioners 00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:39.690 out there. With that, we're out, y 'all. Don't 00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:42.250 forget to tip your 501st Battalion soldiers. 00:45:42.610 --> 00:46:16.250 And fare thee well. I barely got that first clap 00:46:16.250 --> 00:46:24.210 in. I was like, why is she counting? I saw the 00:46:24.210 --> 00:46:30.610 panic in your eyes. I felt like the Grinch in 00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:33.050 Jim Carrey's when it's like, pudding contest. 00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:41.429 This is not pudding. What is it? Anyways, here 00:46:41.429 --> 00:46:44.280 you go. Go for it. Mace, when the Dugs are trying 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.599 to kill the giant beast, what is it, the Zotilla? 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.699 No. The Zillow. The Zillow beast? Zillow beast, 00:46:49.940 --> 00:46:52.599 yeah. The Zillow beast? Is it Zillow? No. It's 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.800 not Zillow. Z -I -L -L -O. The rental company. 00:46:56.260 --> 00:46:59.800 Zillow. Without the W. Okay. That's funny. Anyway, 00:46:59.860 --> 00:47:02.900 sorry. When Vader points at Boba Fett and says, 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.440 no disintegrations, and Boba goes, as you wish. 00:47:07.150 --> 00:47:09.869 Which really means that he loves him. But Boba 00:47:09.869 --> 00:47:12.230 falls down the hill and becomes a pirate and 00:47:12.230 --> 00:47:14.329 gets executed and eventually comes back for Vader 00:47:14.329 --> 00:47:18.269 and rescues him after battling a man left -handed 00:47:18.269 --> 00:47:22.489 with a sword. Come on, it was a great reference. 00:47:22.969 --> 00:47:26.269 It was a little bit of a stretch at the beginning, 00:47:26.369 --> 00:47:31.670 but yes. As you wish. Yes, yes, yes. I cut that 00:47:31.670 --> 00:47:35.590 out of there, Britt. I got nothing. Sorry. It's 00:47:35.590 --> 00:47:38.010 1 .40 in the morning, and I'm very aware that 00:47:38.010 --> 00:47:40.909 I have to be awake in six hours. I know. Yes. 00:47:42.130 --> 00:47:44.769 Brittany, don't put that in the pod. You can 00:47:44.769 --> 00:47:49.730 put me saying this in the bloopers, but you can't 00:47:49.730 --> 00:47:52.289 actually put what I said. It will leave everybody 00:47:52.289 --> 00:47:59.150 waiting for more. Okay. I'm looking up right 00:47:59.150 --> 00:48:05.610 now. Where is an episode that he is in? I'm trying 00:48:05.610 --> 00:48:07.590 to find it. Do you know that Google works? Like 00:48:07.590 --> 00:48:10.369 you can just type in Cad Bane voice actor. His 00:48:10.369 --> 00:48:13.150 name is Corey Burton. Corey Burton. See, but 00:48:13.150 --> 00:48:17.550 I found it by going to the hostage rescue episode. 00:48:18.110 --> 00:48:20.969 Well done. I went to it by clicking on IMDB. 00:48:22.349 --> 00:48:25.190 Well, that's what I meant. Yeah, but I typed 00:48:25.190 --> 00:48:28.360 in. Cad Bane voice actor and then clicked on 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:35.760 his IMDb. Aha, I see. Pondo voice actor. Jim 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.119 Cummings. Wait, it's Jim Cummings? Yeah. Oh my 00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:41.940 God. You didn't realize that? No. I was going 00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:43.940 to tell you, but I thought you'd want to be surprised. 00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:51.320 Yeah. Yeah. What? Oh. Isn't he an Oscar winner? 00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:56.159 He's the voice of Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. And 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.639 an infinite number of other things. He's not 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.360 an Oscar winner. He's an Emmy winner. Okay, my 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.199 bad. I mixed up which thing. So I really want 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.019 to... Oh, he's... Hondo's in Star Wars Outlaws? 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.780 I've been playing that game a lot and I have 00:49:09.780 --> 00:49:11.639 not ran into him yet. So I'm excited about that.