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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's

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episode, we will be consequentially chattering

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about Star Wars Clone Wars, seasons one through

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three. Without further ado, we will, as Roger

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Smith says, dive on in. Find your donut holes.

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It's our Knives Out category where we sleuth

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out which storylines in this whole stinking show

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are the most vital to pay attention to. There's

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a lot. So many. If you guys are coming in from

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our Stranger Things fandom pods, we're doing

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things a little differently for a couple of different

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reasons. But one of them being we're not trying

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to identify three solid storylines. Stranger

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Things lends itself really well to that. Clone

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Wars. Does not because there are tons of main

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characters that exist on this show. So we're

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kind of going to go through it character by character

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instead of plot point by plot point, which should

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be easier because we're doing three whole seasons

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in one episode. And within each season, if you

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haven't seen Clone Wars or it's been a while

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or you can't quite remember, there is a. Each

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season is not just one storyline. It is kind

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of anthology style. And so there could be up

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to 15 different storylines within the 22 episodes

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of the season. Yeah, it's very much a kid's show

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for the first two seasons before they start to

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do just kind of full arcs like they do in season

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three, four, five, six. And then season seven

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is really more like Stranger Things and like,

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here are your distinct different characters on

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their specific different quests all leading up

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to order 66 and so this is like a saturday morning

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cartoon that you know disney went and asked this

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was before the disney lucasfilm merger disney

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went and asked hey could we create a clone wars

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show There had already been a Clone Wars show

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created. That one by Lucasfilm was considered

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canon. That's the 2D animated Samurai Jack style

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one where Mace Windu takes like a thousand droids

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out with one force push. It's amazing. Give me

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that, Mace. So Disney comes in and gets the rights

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to make this non -canon Clone Wars show. Where,

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you know, they do all these kind of wacky things

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and have fun. And it's a Saturday morning cartoon

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and it's going quite well. And then the merger

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happens and they decanonize everything except

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for what Disney's already created. So suddenly

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this show, which starts out non -canonical, becomes

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canonical. And we'll talk about what that means

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with Ahsoka in a little bit. But the way that

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Sierra and I went and prepped for this was obviously

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like a lot of research. We've been reading a

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ton of books, articles, Reddits. uh, Wikipedia

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is occasionally, but also we went and watched

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the show in chronological order, which we won't

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bore you with those details. Now they will appear

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on our Instagram fandom, shmandam pod, and we'll

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put the exact order on a little graphic there

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for you guys. So that's how we went and watched.

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This was to watch the episodes chronologically,

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which is a lot of going back and forth between

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seasons. Yeah. It definitely takes a little bit

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of effort. Uh, And you can't just sit there and

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let it play. And then sometimes you do sit there

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and you go, oh, I can let it play for three episodes.

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And then at the end of the second episode, you

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go, wait, shoot, was that two episodes or three

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episodes? Oh my gosh, I know, for real. The amount

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of like, have I, haven't I? It's wild. But honestly,

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this is the first time that I personally have

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watched it in chronological order. I've always,

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in the past, just watched it in release order.

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I think it's worth it, though. I think it's really

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worth it. I think it makes so much more sense.

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I kind of wonder why they didn't do it. I know.

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It's very odd. There's a couple points where

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I feel it is very, very confusing. Like, someone

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dies in Season 1, and then they're alive in Season

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3, and you're going, what is happening here?

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And it's because it takes place before it. Specifically,

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there's this whole, like, murder of a Rodian

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senator that... the murder gets resolved in season

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two, but that character's in season three. And

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I just remember being like, cause I actually

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watched that episode and was like, wait, what?

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And then went back. I was like, Oh, I wasn't

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supposed to watch this one yet. So when I got

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to season three and I went back to that episode,

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I was like, Oh, why did they do this? Yes. It's,

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it can be a little jarring, but I think watching

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it chronologically at least once. I think is

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definitely worth it to actually get full storylines

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together. Certainly. Certainly. Especially knowing

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that there's two episodes that are like before

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Ahsoka joins them. Why isn't Ahsoka in this episode?

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What's going on here? And I know they do the

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whole like newsreel at the top. They're like,

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the Jedi will continue to go about their duties

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on this year's galaxy show. And like you get

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that whole preamble, but, uh, I, as an adult,

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do a lot of show watching while making dinner

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or doing dishes or taking care of other things.

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And so, like, I'm not always listening to that.

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And I don't think every six -year -old is listening

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to that either. And so it's kind of like, yeah,

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that information's there and it's present. So

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you can do the work yourself. But from ease of

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access, it kind of feels like when somebody gives

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you a spreadsheet with multiple clicks. Like,

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the answer's in there. But it's harder to get

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to than it should be. For sure. So let us start

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out our categories of characters with the big

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one, the main man, the main village man, Anakin

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himself. There are a lot of people complaining

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that you didn't say Jar Jar right then. I know.

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Sorry. He appears in three episodes. He's mentioned

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derogatorily. More than that. But yes, he's in,

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I think, just three. But I think only maybe once

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or twice more. Senator Binks is there. Padme

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couldn't go. I remember that one specifically,

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and they're like, I'll be right there. Yeah,

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Anakin's interesting. You know, I found it really

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cool that Hayden Christensen, in preparation,

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for being on the Ahsoka show, went and rewatched

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or went and watched Clone Wars for the first

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time. And he said he had so much respect and

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love for what had been done with Anakin's character.

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And I do feel that in even as early on as season

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one, because Anakin is just so much more rounded

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in what his thought process is once he's beyond

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Obi's teaching. So that berating that Obi -Wan

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is constantly doing about. being better, being

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better, being better. No, that, that has gone

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nowhere for him. He only can be taught by getting

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results or lack of results. And unfortunately

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he's so talented and so good that his ability

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to get results teaches him essentially sort of

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like a dog with getting a treat. Like it's very

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Pavlovian in like, and I think that's what Palpatine

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wants is he wants a war where Anakin, the chosen

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one is getting trained on this, like, violent

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nature where he is good and praised for his war

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actions. So Anakin's cocky as all heck. He doesn't

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listen to the council. He teaches that sometimes

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verbally, almost always through example, but

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he gets results. He's given rewards for giving

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those results. He's totally war focused and he's

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not that focused on the force leading him. And

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he needs basically Qui -Gon. To remind him of

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the Force, not the Council. Because of the way

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that the Council is. And we'll get to the Council

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later. But Anakin's character is just so much

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more fleshed out in these three seasons because

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of how much we get to see this. And he's so young.

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He's like 22. And just reminding yourself that,

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okay, this is a 22 -year -old boy who basically

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is Michael Jordan. Of course he's going to be...

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feeling himself right yeah and he's he's very

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focused on improving and proving improving his

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status proving himself better than everyone else

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because let's be honest in most cases he is he

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has the natural abilities to be better than most

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and to have a lot of really good instinctual

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thought processes where he can make a plan on

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the fly he can jump into a war zone and figure

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out exactly how to plan how to strategize and

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it frustrates a lot of the other characters because

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they want the plan to be set ahead of time and

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then they want everything to go to plan but Anakin

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has been developing most of his time as a Jedi

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in a war zone and in this situation that no other

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Jedi other than ones around his level have had

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to deal with. And so they, and so Anakin is really

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the one who understands that in war situations,

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things don't go to plan. You have to be able

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to improvise. You have to be able to change things

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up. And it's. interesting because he also develops

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and matures over even just these first three

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seasons because at the beginning you're still

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seeing him be the bait you're seeing him oh you

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have to go and get caught and then we'll come

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and get you but then he develops and starts kind

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of pushing that onto ahsoka and i do think that

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in training her he's also realizing that's why

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I was trained. That's why I had to do that. Oh,

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it makes sense now because the only way you're

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going to learn is by being in these situations

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and understanding the context. Yeah. To that

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point right there. I think that's precisely one

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of the reasons why Yoda is like, he gets to have

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a Padawan right now because he's going to find

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the frustrations of what it is to teach somebody

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who's like him. So they go and find, just like

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they, they kind of, Obi -Wan is this big rule

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breaker and doesn't listen to anybody. And so

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they pair him up with Qui -Gon because they know

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Obi's nature is to rebel. So they know, okay,

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Qui -Gon rebels all the time. So what does a

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rebeller do with somebody who's rebelling? They're

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now going to be a rule follower because they're

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rebelling the guy who likes to rebel. Therefore,

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he'll follow rules. And they do this with Ahsoka

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where they sort of give this person who's stubborn

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and has a mind of their own and thinks they can

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do better to Anakin. to try and train. And I

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think there are definitely moments where that

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works, but then there are also moments where

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Mace Windu is looking out the window going, good

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God, why did we create two of them? Although

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Mace, Samuel L. Jackson's rendition of that might,

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might sound a little different. But I, I think

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that it's, yeah, definitely seeing in her that,

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that same desire to prove them to, they each

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want to prove themselves. And he wants to be

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the best master that he can be, which like for

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Ahsoka, which is honestly touching, especially

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considering that that's slightly more selfless

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than we usually see from Anakin. Because usually

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his motivations are, how can I look really good?

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How can I do the best? How can I be the hero?

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And when he's training Ahsoka, It's very much,

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how can I be the best for her? And we see this

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especially once we get to the end of season three.

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There's a very, very good moment at the very

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end of season three where she's gotten herself

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into a very difficult situation. She got herself

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out of it. And he the whole time has just been

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essentially panicking about her because he's

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supposed to be there for her. He's supposed to

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protect her. That's his job. And he's not there.

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And she basically turns it around and says, well,

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everything that you've taught me up until this

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point is how I was able to save myself. So you

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were there. And it's it is a very, very touching

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moment. And you can see that. Anakin is very

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moved by this, and I think it's a really great

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example of the maturity of their relationship,

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the maturity of just Anakin in general coming

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into his own, the maturity of Ahsoka becoming

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her own person as well. Yeah. It's wonderful.

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One of the reasons why I like that. moment so

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much when he's apologizing to Ahsoka for not

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being there is we get a little bit more of Tatooine

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Anakin, like nine -year -old kid, 10 -year -old

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kid. And Matt Lanter's voice acting is just so

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soft and vulnerable. Yeah. So this moment with

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Ahsoka, he's like, I'm sorry, I should have tried

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harder. I should have done, I should have, I

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should have, I should have, I should have, really

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leads us to Revenge of the Sith quite nicely.

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Where he's beyond I should have. He's had a couple

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moments where he's messed up. And now it's I'm

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going to no matter what. Nothing is outside of

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my control. And this show really leads you up

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to that where, A, almost nothing is outside of

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his control. He can always figure out a way to

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defeat the enemy, to beat the bad guy, to escape

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the evil lair, to get through all sorts of different,

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you know. mines and, and citadels and traps and

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all that sort of stuff. So a, he should be able

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to say Padme from death, but then also I should

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have tried harder. This is who he is as well,

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where I feel like I can do this and it will be

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my fault. I am culpable. If the person that was

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relying on me in this case, Ahsoka, but in revenge,

00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:07.259
Padme, if I can't do anything for them. Right.

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And it's very interesting because that also,

00:15:12.299 --> 00:15:17.639
works with his general focus more on death and

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loss and failure rather than life and success

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and gain. There's a specific quote, someone,

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I think maybe Plo Koon says to him, do not take

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the lives you saved too lightly. And he says,

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I don't, but I also don't take the lives I lost

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lightly. It seems as though kind of in these

00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.600
earlier seasons, he has a little bit more of

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that balance where he is appreciating what they

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have been able to achieve while also mourning

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the loss of his troops or mourning the loss of

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a friend or something like that. But as it continues

00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:06.960
on, he does start to linger more on. But if I

00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.100
had done something differently, I could have

00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:13.389
stopped. this loss from happening. Yes. You know,

00:16:13.389 --> 00:16:17.610
we won the battle, but we lost these key people

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and I am responsible for it. He takes a lot of

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personal responsibility. And it's very interesting

00:16:25.549 --> 00:16:28.370
though, too, because there's a, there's a couple

00:16:28.370 --> 00:16:30.649
of moments where they really tried to hammer

00:16:30.649 --> 00:16:35.809
home Anakin's attachment issues. And how he's

00:16:35.809 --> 00:16:39.470
very focused on being attached to Ahsoka and

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being her master and being there for her. And

00:16:42.370 --> 00:16:48.590
therefore he won't let her go. However, the two

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main examples of this in the first three seasons,

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I don't think do an adequate job of proving this

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point because I'm a hundred percent on Anakin's

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side, both situations. And it frustrates me to

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no end, these other Jedi who are speaking to

00:17:06.390 --> 00:17:10.269
him about how he needs to let Ahsoka go if it's

00:17:10.269 --> 00:17:15.490
her time or she's, you know, she's lost. She

00:17:15.490 --> 00:17:19.890
must be gone. You can't get her. And his response

00:17:19.890 --> 00:17:23.549
is, she's not completely gone. She's not dead.

00:17:23.990 --> 00:17:27.089
She's still alive. She's still out there. And

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I am her master. And it is literally my responsibility.

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To be there for her and to help her. And we sent

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her into this situation. I sent her into this

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situation. So I need to help get her out. And

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there's... There's specifically... The one that

00:17:46.980 --> 00:17:51.319
bothers me the most is this plot line with Luminara.

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Where Luminara is Padawan and... Ahsoka go off

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on this mission that they're sent on to go infiltrate

00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:05.920
somewhere. And they end up getting stuck in a

00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:10.400
collapse. I think it is. And Luminara is just

00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.500
going, well, if it's their time, I can feel them

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fading away, but then it cuts to them and they

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are not fading away. They are completely like,

00:18:19.539 --> 00:18:22.019
they're moving away. They're going further away

00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:26.069
physically, but they're not dying. No, they're

00:18:26.069 --> 00:18:30.690
not dying at all. They're completely able to

00:18:30.690 --> 00:18:35.190
be rescued. They're just right there. And Anakin

00:18:35.190 --> 00:18:39.509
is going, but we have to go get them. And Luminar

00:18:39.509 --> 00:18:41.849
is like, well, you know, we've talked about it

00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:47.549
and it's okay. No one is not okay. And I'm completely

00:18:47.549 --> 00:18:49.869
right there with Anakin where he's going, but

00:18:49.869 --> 00:18:53.039
she's right there. We know where they are. We

00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.740
can get to them. It might be tricky, but we can

00:18:55.740 --> 00:18:59.119
get to them. And we can pull them out of the

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situation that we put them in. It's interesting

00:19:02.059 --> 00:19:06.859
because there's this whole sort of stratosphere

00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:12.400
of detachment that is cold. That is definitely

00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.519
not like... what the light side should be about

00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:18.460
that the Jedi struggle. Right. And there's so

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much corruption going on within the Jedi, not

00:19:20.819 --> 00:19:22.400
from like a political corruption standpoint,

00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.000
where like people are taking bribes or whatever,

00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:27.140
but there is this like idea of, well, it's just

00:19:27.140 --> 00:19:29.880
really easy to let go of everything. And so.

00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.140
We can let go of these troops. We can let go

00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:35.400
of these civilians because they got it. Like

00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.980
they're going to be casualties. We can let go

00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.880
of these Padawans because it's their time to

00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:43.420
die as the force wills it, which anytime, whether

00:19:43.420 --> 00:19:45.420
it's real life or not, that people are like,

00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.500
well, if blank blank wills it. And I'm like,

00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:53.160
that's apathy. And to me, action is the right

00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.140
step of whatever religious sort of things you

00:19:56.140 --> 00:19:58.630
need to do. You have to go and. and manifest

00:19:58.630 --> 00:20:03.750
in some way, shape or form. And, and so for Anakin

00:20:03.750 --> 00:20:05.930
to be like, no, like this is my responsibility

00:20:05.930 --> 00:20:08.690
as a teacher. Yeah, absolutely. Ahsoka is your

00:20:08.690 --> 00:20:11.930
responsibility. Go get her. Right. And Luminar

00:20:11.930 --> 00:20:14.710
is like, and I'm like, well, maybe there's a

00:20:14.710 --> 00:20:18.029
reason why your Padawan isn't, uh, the best of

00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:21.049
people. Yeah. Well, we haven't got there yet.

00:20:21.390 --> 00:20:23.849
That's why it was a hint and a wink and a nod.

00:20:26.170 --> 00:20:30.420
Yeah. I mean, And it's very frustrating because

00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:35.279
this whole time I'm kind of frustrated with Luminara

00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.039
and then later Plo Koon in a similar situation

00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.759
where Anakin wants to go after Ahsoka and find

00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.180
her and rescue her. And they're both being very,

00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:48.819
oh no, but you can't do anything, Anakin. And

00:20:48.819 --> 00:20:50.700
Anakin's like, I very well can do something.

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And both of them kind of end with this. Anakin,

00:20:56.500 --> 00:20:59.279
you can't keep everyone around and alive all

00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:02.359
the time. But that's not what he's trying to

00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.440
do. I mean, it's factual, but in these situations,

00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:07.940
that's not what he's trying to achieve. He's

00:21:07.940 --> 00:21:10.859
literally trying to save someone who can very

00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:13.839
well be saved. It comes across very fatalistic

00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:19.079
to me. Yes, absolutely. And it's, yeah, like

00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:21.740
you said, the apathy. And it's very frustrating

00:21:21.740 --> 00:21:25.279
because if you can... do something and there's

00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.259
an action to be done why would you not do that

00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:31.279
well and again it he continues to be told you

00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:33.279
can't keep everybody alive in short like i'm

00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:35.559
not sure that anybody's has literally said to

00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:37.160
him i don't i can't remember if that's an actual

00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:39.240
line or not where they're like you can't keep

00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.000
everybody alive around you but so by the time

00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.440
we get to revenge by the time we get to revenge

00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.579
then and he sees padme's dying and his force

00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:50.339
vision well you can't keep everybody alive and

00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:51.640
he's like i've been i've been hearing that for

00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.920
three years and i've been I have been correct

00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.720
most of the times. And so no one is going to

00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:59.460
stop me from doing this because the council keeps

00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:02.779
giving him bad advice. Right. The council keeps

00:22:02.779 --> 00:22:04.799
doing all of these things that are antithetical

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:09.400
to the spirit of the Jedi way. Right. And so

00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:13.059
what's going to stop him? Only himself, which

00:22:13.059 --> 00:22:17.460
is the problem. Right. Exactly. What I think

00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:20.740
Anakin is actually too attached to is not his

00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.400
student. is not the people around him i think

00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.920
he's showing a love that is universal sort of

00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:31.359
sort of the love that he uh is wooing padme with

00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.279
in attack of the clones where he doesn't actually

00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.660
mean that he's trying to get romantic with her

00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:39.559
but uh he actually is showing a universal love

00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:41.599
to the people around him where you know he is

00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:44.720
loyal in his love and he will strive to go to

00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.160
to the ends of his abilities to get them and

00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.460
if that doesn't work then okay i will let you

00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:54.640
go But he is too attached to his status as the

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.700
most talented. He is too attached and too in

00:22:58.700 --> 00:23:01.700
love with who he is as a warrior, as a general,

00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:05.500
as a pilot, and not as a Jedi. Right. There's

00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:08.859
a great quote that we'll get to in the I'm going

00:23:08.859 --> 00:23:11.140
to give it enough or you can't refuse category.

00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:17.619
But he says at one point, essentially, the Jedi

00:23:17.619 --> 00:23:21.380
code. gets in the way of us really, truly winning

00:23:21.380 --> 00:23:26.599
fights. And it's a very pessimistic view of the

00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.599
Jedi code, which even Obi -Wan, he's talking

00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.859
about this Captain Tarkin, who lo and behold

00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:35.440
goes to be Grand Moff at some point. But Obi

00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.799
-Wan is also eyeing Anakin when he's like, that's

00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:43.500
a simplistic view on things. But it is. But Anakin

00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:46.799
really, I don't think, takes much pride at this

00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.910
point in being a Jedi. Unless it gets him status.

00:23:50.769 --> 00:23:53.829
Right? Master Jedi. He loves being called that.

00:23:54.069 --> 00:23:56.930
Not being on the council. Huge deal. But otherwise,

00:23:57.089 --> 00:24:00.109
he's much more in love with himself as a general.

00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:04.930
As a fighter. As a tactician. As a pilot. Not

00:24:04.930 --> 00:24:07.509
as a Jedi. Because the Jedi Order and the Jedi

00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:10.289
Code keep getting in the way of the other things

00:24:10.289 --> 00:24:15.880
being done properly. He's not wrong. No. And

00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:20.500
honestly, I think that the main reason for this

00:24:20.500 --> 00:24:23.440
is not necessarily who Anakin is as a person,

00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.099
but kind of as I was saying before, he's been

00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:32.279
created as a wartime Jedi. Yeah. He is seeing

00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.279
things in a completely different way. He didn't

00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:39.660
come up and spend years working as a peacekeeper

00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:43.980
Jedi working. just as someone who's there with

00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:47.380
archives and studying and learning more about

00:24:47.380 --> 00:24:51.559
the force and meditation, he is there to be a

00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.880
general. He is there to command troops and to

00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:02.480
get things done. And not many other Jedi in his

00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:08.160
position have not had time to be a Jedi. Right.

00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.250
Yeah. He's like, he's like, the highest ranked

00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:16.349
youngest Jedi general at, you know, right. Which

00:25:16.349 --> 00:25:19.230
is also crazy because he started so late as well.

00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:22.069
Right. So he's got, instead of being there from

00:25:22.069 --> 00:25:25.589
the age of two, or I think Obi -Wan at one point

00:25:25.589 --> 00:25:28.190
puts it like, Oh my gosh, I was, I started late

00:25:28.190 --> 00:25:30.049
at three and a half. This guy started a five

00:25:30.049 --> 00:25:32.049
years old. That's crazy. And Anakin's like 10,

00:25:32.150 --> 00:25:35.289
nine or 10 when he gets started. So he's only

00:25:35.289 --> 00:25:39.440
had. nine ten years i think 10 specifically because

00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.480
it's 10 years between phantom and attack of the

00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.839
clones so he's like 19 years old again we're

00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.400
all impressionable at 19 years old we're all

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.279
in love with ourselves where we succeed and don't

00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.299
like thinking about our faults and like to push

00:25:53.299 --> 00:25:57.259
against authority from 19 to 22 23 years old

00:25:57.259 --> 00:26:00.079
of course he's like that is him becoming a man

00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.299
right so when sierra's saying he's he's brought

00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:05.779
up as a wartime general she's not saying Oh,

00:26:05.779 --> 00:26:07.920
he was trained as a Padawan in war. There were

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.680
skirmishes and battles and, of course, there

00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.460
was all of that stuff. Yeah. But his time as

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:14.619
a Jedi Knight. Exactly. His time as a Jedi Knight

00:26:14.619 --> 00:26:18.720
is when he's developing on his own and it's as

00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.960
wartime guy. And it's interesting the parallel

00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.920
here between, like, you know, you get politicians

00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.400
who are really good for wartimes and you get

00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.160
politicians that are really good for peacetimes.

00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.200
And Anakin is being really created into what

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.940
is ultimately going to be the best killing machine.

00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:39.579
In the galaxy. Right. But because Anakin is not

00:26:39.579 --> 00:26:42.359
wrong on all of this stuff, he goes and gets

00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.500
the results. He saves the people, all that stuff.

00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:48.880
He feels very free to ignore the Jedi. Yeah.

00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.220
The Jedi for all of their faults still have some

00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:56.960
pretty good systems in place to avoid the dark

00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.420
side and maybe even to a fault. Like it seems

00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.940
at this point in the Jedi order. They've become

00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:07.099
so much about not falling to the dark side that

00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:09.259
they've forgotten how to properly live in the

00:27:09.259 --> 00:27:13.160
light side. Their mindset is dark side avoidant

00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.740
rather than light side progressive. It feels

00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:18.599
like when an organization switches mindset from

00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.279
trying to go and do the right thing to we just

00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.519
want to don't get sued. Yeah, exactly. And so,

00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.420
but at the same time, there are still systems

00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:30.599
in place to avoid the dark side that then Anna

00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:38.980
gets kind of like. Eh. Eh, it's fine. Which then

00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:44.880
gets him some very, very, very clear Vader moments.

00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:49.839
So much so that we get Imperial March playing

00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:55.099
in the background on a number of occasions. One

00:27:55.099 --> 00:27:58.579
in particular being that he tortures a Geonosian

00:27:58.579 --> 00:28:02.089
for information. about mind control worms because

00:28:02.089 --> 00:28:03.690
they're running out of time. Kind of Ahsoka's

00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:07.130
thoughts first. Ahsoka's the first person to

00:28:07.130 --> 00:28:08.630
be like, let's just scare them into thinking

00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:11.470
we're going to torture. And then Anakin's like,

00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:19.509
what if we just did it? Ahsoka always wants to

00:28:19.509 --> 00:28:22.630
be the bad cop in every situation. She's always

00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:25.390
like, I will lunge at them and hold my lightsaber

00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:29.289
an inch away from their neck. Tell me what I

00:28:29.289 --> 00:28:32.589
need to know. And everybody goes, Ahsoka, calm

00:28:32.589 --> 00:28:34.509
down. Thumbs slips and suddenly the person's

00:28:34.509 --> 00:28:43.369
dead. Exactly. And another, probably the most

00:28:43.369 --> 00:28:49.069
blatant and clear moment of this, and one that

00:28:49.069 --> 00:28:54.069
I actually went, oh, when I was watching it,

00:28:54.089 --> 00:28:57.500
because I kind of forgot about it. So there is

00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:02.420
a traitor on a ship that has a number of senators

00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:07.140
and the Duchess of Mandalore, Satine, who is

00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:11.859
Obi -Wan's will -they -won't -they love interest

00:29:11.859 --> 00:29:15.720
that already happened offscreen, but they clearly

00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.539
still love each other. It's fine. And Obi -Wan

00:29:19.539 --> 00:29:21.980
and Anakin are there as well, trying to stop.

00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.480
this traitor from blowing up the ship and everybody

00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:29.619
on it he's standing there with a detonator obi

00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:33.099
-wan is holding out his lightsaber to him and

00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:38.519
satine who is a pacifist to the extreme yeah

00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:44.900
is holding a gun to a blaster to him and it's

00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:49.680
this standoff situation that we're in and this

00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:55.529
traitor He taunts them in this situation because

00:29:55.529 --> 00:29:58.690
he thinks he has the upper hand here. Satine,

00:29:58.869 --> 00:30:02.890
if you brand yourself a hypocrite to your pacifist

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:06.609
ideals, Obi -Wan, you would be heralded as a

00:30:06.609 --> 00:30:12.029
hero to everyone on this ship. Well, almost everyone.

00:30:12.230 --> 00:30:16.630
Then he looks at Satine. Exactly. Who then, in

00:30:16.630 --> 00:30:19.450
turn, looks at Obi -Wan, basically confirming...

00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:23.069
Yeah, if you strike him down, I will hate you.

00:30:23.250 --> 00:30:26.490
I'll scream, I'll hate you! And you'll yell to

00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:32.230
me, you were supposed to be my lover! You were

00:30:32.230 --> 00:30:34.609
supposed to join with me, not plunge me in darkness.

00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:41.950
So, there's this tension here, and then he continues,

00:30:42.210 --> 00:30:46.009
who will strike first and brand themselves a

00:30:46.009 --> 00:30:50.480
cold -blooded killer? And in that moment, Anakin's

00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:54.059
lightsaber appears through his chest and then

00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:58.839
he falls away, revealing Anakin behind him. Imperial

00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.720
March plays. Anakin, as nonchalant as can be,

00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.440
has grabbed the detonator out of this guy's hand

00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:09.519
and looks at Obi -Wan and Satine and basically

00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.940
being like, what? He wasn't going to let him

00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:13.920
blow up the ship. He was going to blow up the

00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.779
whole ship. You heard him. Yeah, exactly. Which.

00:31:18.380 --> 00:31:23.400
Fair. I kind of agree. In a situation like that,

00:31:23.539 --> 00:31:27.920
I'm sorry, once again, that may be Vader -like,

00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:30.900
but I kind of agree with Anakin here. He made

00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:35.059
the right call. As you guys are listening to

00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:37.900
this, Sierra has put on her Darth Vader helmet

00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:40.180
and has started marching around with the red

00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:47.130
lightsaber. So speaking of one of the three people

00:31:47.130 --> 00:31:50.210
that survived that encounter, Obi -Wan is a huge

00:31:50.210 --> 00:31:52.849
part of this show and also gets his character

00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:56.569
rounded out a little bit more. I think less so

00:31:56.569 --> 00:31:59.210
than Anakin. We have a fairly good understanding

00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:01.970
of Obi -Wan as an adult by the time we get to

00:32:01.970 --> 00:32:05.269
Revenge of the Sith. Because he's kind of the

00:32:05.269 --> 00:32:07.950
best part of Attack of the Clones. In fact, I

00:32:07.950 --> 00:32:09.490
don't even think he's kind of. He's the best

00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:12.769
part of Attack of the Clones. Yes. He's a fully

00:32:12.769 --> 00:32:15.359
formed adult. He's a teacher. He's now a Jedi

00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.039
Master. And what this show does very beautifully

00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:22.119
is show his more emotional side, show the conflict

00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.799
within Obi -Wan, allow him to explore or us to

00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.220
explore who he is kind of away from prying eyes.

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.500
Yeah, definitely. Because there are moments when

00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:38.079
Anakin is struggling with things, like his big

00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.490
feelings sometimes. And Anakin... is want to

00:32:42.490 --> 00:32:45.710
call out Obi -Wan for not feeling these things.

00:32:45.910 --> 00:32:49.529
Obi -Wan just has to remind him, no, I feel it

00:32:49.529 --> 00:32:54.509
too. I'm just better at hiding it. And he has

00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:58.289
this kind of fresh way about him of trying to

00:32:58.289 --> 00:33:02.049
be a perfect Jedi. And that comes back to him

00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:05.390
rebelling against Qui -Gon's rebelliousness and

00:33:05.390 --> 00:33:10.099
being a very... clear rule follower however i

00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:15.539
do feel that he comes about this in more of a

00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:20.400
fresh way than the jedi council does where they're

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.980
trying to be perfect but in that dark side avoidance

00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:27.140
way and being a little bit stuck in the past

00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:30.380
and with their ideals and their kind of closed

00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:34.259
off cold nature obi -wan is still very warm and

00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:38.079
he's still very caring about people and he does

00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.420
form attachments and he just doesn't let it take

00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:48.799
over him. And so while some potentially on the

00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.119
council may view him as leaning more towards

00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.539
the dark side, which I would completely disagree

00:33:55.539 --> 00:34:00.960
with, he is just that very clear example of what

00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.220
a Jedi should be, honestly. You should be reaching

00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:09.239
out and you should be forming that universal

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.800
love bond with those around you. So I think that

00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.440
he does a very good job. I think he still exemplifies

00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.619
the problems with the Order, which is the fact

00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:23.320
that he's too caught up in ceremony and rules.

00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.619
Whereas Qui -Gon's ability to sort of let the

00:34:27.619 --> 00:34:31.989
Force dictate. and have him move around as the

00:34:31.989 --> 00:34:34.829
force needs him to go is where all jedi need

00:34:34.829 --> 00:34:36.949
to be they should not be an organized military

00:34:36.949 --> 00:34:41.510
force for a government that has corruption in

00:34:41.510 --> 00:34:45.710
it just as much as the other one and so he gets

00:34:45.710 --> 00:34:48.610
stuck in this general mode that he should really

00:34:48.610 --> 00:34:51.750
never be in now he is absolutely one of the best

00:34:51.750 --> 00:34:54.690
and and he considers a lot like of all the jedi

00:34:54.690 --> 00:34:56.389
that are going to be there i'm like i trust mace

00:34:56.389 --> 00:34:59.429
i trust yoda for the most part. And I trust Obi

00:34:59.429 --> 00:35:01.690
to be there. Certainly. I trust Anakin to be

00:35:01.690 --> 00:35:04.650
there most of all, but I'm also very much on

00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:06.150
the side of like, Anakin should have left the

00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:08.110
order as soon as he got married. Like what's

00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:09.630
stopping him. He still gets to keep his powers.

00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:13.610
He still gets to have a lightsaber. He, and then

00:35:13.610 --> 00:35:15.090
he could just go and hang around with his hot

00:35:15.090 --> 00:35:19.519
wife, like in public. And he could still be a

00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.880
general. Like, he could still do all of that.

00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.119
And they would want him to because he's so talented.

00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.659
So, like, what's stopping you, bud? But Obi -Wan,

00:35:26.659 --> 00:35:29.099
I want in the order, but I want him to push back

00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:30.739
a little bit more. You can see him being like,

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.980
I'm not sure this is exactly right. But then

00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:35.880
he does keep Anakin in check sometimes, which

00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.739
is very, very helpful for Anakin. But what would

00:35:39.739 --> 00:35:42.159
have been more helpful for Anakin is Obi -Wan.

00:35:42.489 --> 00:35:44.670
not being too proud. And I think that's the problem.

00:35:44.710 --> 00:35:46.150
You even see it with Alec Guinness's character.

00:35:46.429 --> 00:35:50.730
He's a bit proud and Han, it really rankles Han,

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:55.889
how proud he is. And so like, who's the more

00:35:55.889 --> 00:35:58.409
foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

00:35:58.469 --> 00:36:01.170
And Han's like, damn fool. I knew you were going

00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:03.250
to say that, right? That's Alec Guinness's character.

00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:05.550
He's a little, he's a little proud of himself.

00:36:06.469 --> 00:36:10.599
But if he could just be a little bit. more visibly

00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.099
ashamed and talk about his shame out in the open

00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:18.179
and discuss that with Anakin. I think that would

00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:20.320
be one of the main things that saves Anakin from

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.480
himself and revenge. I would agree. I think the

00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:27.699
clearest example of this is his relationship

00:36:27.699 --> 00:36:32.320
with Satine, which mostly has occurred previous

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.750
to the show, but There are definite hints when

00:36:36.750 --> 00:36:39.409
we see them interact. They make mention. He says

00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:42.829
he would have left the order for her. She says

00:36:42.829 --> 00:36:44.929
that she's loved him since the first time he

00:36:44.929 --> 00:36:47.849
came and saved her. And even though they're kind

00:36:47.849 --> 00:36:50.110
of under duress in that moment, and it's a little

00:36:50.110 --> 00:36:52.909
bit of a distraction technique, it's clearly

00:36:52.909 --> 00:36:58.550
very true. And if Obi -Wan had taken the example

00:36:58.550 --> 00:37:02.730
of... Satine and his relationship and shared

00:37:02.730 --> 00:37:05.949
that with Anakin and explained why it didn't

00:37:05.949 --> 00:37:09.190
work or why it could have worked if they'd done

00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:11.809
things differently or really just explore that

00:37:11.809 --> 00:37:15.289
with him. Anakin could have decided to leave

00:37:15.289 --> 00:37:18.250
the order and go live with his hot wife and raise

00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:20.809
their children. And it would have been great.

00:37:21.530 --> 00:37:24.730
or he would have realized where the boundary

00:37:24.730 --> 00:37:27.929
was or whatever the case may be but they could

00:37:27.929 --> 00:37:29.929
have connected on that level and i think it would

00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.789
have been much better for everyone involved and

00:37:33.789 --> 00:37:38.510
potentially completely avoided revenge yeah you

00:37:38.510 --> 00:37:42.389
know completely completely avoided yeah and one

00:37:42.389 --> 00:37:45.389
of the reasons why you may be saying well obi

00:37:45.389 --> 00:37:46.889
-wan doesn't know that he needs to talk about

00:37:46.889 --> 00:37:49.510
this stuff with anakin no he definitely does

00:37:49.510 --> 00:37:53.320
because especially when Anakin is confronted

00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:59.820
with the fact that Clovis and Padme had dated

00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:03.679
and had this little relationship. And Anakin

00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.340
clearly had no idea before this is just revealed

00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:10.039
in front of a room of people. Obi -Wan has the

00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.440
best eyebrow raise I have ever seen in my life,

00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:18.079
where he's going, oh, well, that's an interesting

00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:23.489
development. And it had me. cackling and so he

00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:29.050
definitely knows yeah yeah he does at the end

00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:31.969
of the day obi -wan is a follower at heart which

00:38:31.969 --> 00:38:34.949
i really love because i i love leaders who are

00:38:34.949 --> 00:38:39.610
followers he follows the force not as much as

00:38:39.610 --> 00:38:42.329
he should but he does he follows the code like

00:38:42.329 --> 00:38:46.510
to a t he follows the jedi he follows his orders

00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:50.250
and he's a perfect Balance or counterweight,

00:38:50.309 --> 00:38:53.869
I should say, to Anakin. They balance each other

00:38:53.869 --> 00:38:56.610
out. And what you need is the mix of those two

00:38:56.610 --> 00:39:01.309
in one Jedi. Right. That's who the Jedi need.

00:39:01.750 --> 00:39:04.789
And they don't have it. But they think maybe,

00:39:04.889 --> 00:39:09.829
maybe if we give Anakin Ahsoka, he'll be the

00:39:09.829 --> 00:39:14.309
perfect chosen one baby possum thing ever. But

00:39:14.309 --> 00:39:23.079
no. Instead. Now there are two of them. I think

00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.940
yes. However, she's definitely Anakin light.

00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:31.619
Yeah. Well, in more ways than one, like she's

00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:37.599
physically Anakin light. I think there's a lot

00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.900
of interesting things that happen with Ahsoka's

00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:44.960
development. She really changes quickly. Throughout

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.980
the first three seasons. And you really see her

00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:51.260
coming to her own. She starts as very much. Anakin

00:39:51.260 --> 00:39:55.039
having to tell her. Go here. Do this. Stand over

00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.039
there. Don't do this. Breathe in. Breathe out.

00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:02.340
Flare your nostrils. Get out your lightsabers.

00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.280
You need to go to the bathroom. Very much needing.

00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.579
But she needs that. It's not him being micromanaging.

00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.719
She just. She's a little too explosive. She's

00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:18.000
a little too into what she thinks is right. They

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.000
put a 12 -year -old in a war zone. Like, what

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.420
do you think is going to happen? Exactly. So

00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:26.960
she needs all of that hand -holding. But by the

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.300
end of season three, she's already having these

00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:33.440
moments where she's listening to the Force on

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.340
her own. She's having visions and discovering

00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:39.500
what those mean and really pondering and meditating

00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:44.239
on that. coming to her own conclusions about

00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.880
how to stop, potentially, what she thinks that

00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.699
she is seeing here, and listening to the Force

00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:55.639
and being calm and being careful, which ends

00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.840
up resulting in her being able to save herself

00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:03.460
at the very end of Season 3 from a pretty severe

00:41:03.460 --> 00:41:08.119
situation. Yeah. Yeah. Those darn Trandoshans.

00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.199
But at least she's got some Wookiee friends.

00:41:15.449 --> 00:41:18.329
Because there's only one Wookiee in this whole

00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:23.190
world. Don't, don't even get me started. We'll

00:41:23.190 --> 00:41:28.469
get there. So what I was struck by is they have

00:41:28.469 --> 00:41:31.130
this whole plot line that occurs on Ryloth and

00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:34.750
she really starts to learn a lot of information.

00:41:35.769 --> 00:41:39.050
in a very short amount of time during this situation

00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:42.929
on Ryloth. She learns that being knocked down

00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:46.769
just means to try again differently. She learns

00:41:46.769 --> 00:41:50.530
retreating isn't failure, and that you can't

00:41:50.530 --> 00:41:55.829
always go against orders. Which is fair, because

00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:59.789
Anakin doesn't always go against orders. He frequently

00:41:59.789 --> 00:42:03.440
goes against orders. But not always. And Ahsoka

00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.519
at the beginning very much is like, well, I've

00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.659
seen you go against orders, so we must always

00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:11.260
go against orders. And he has to kind of rein

00:42:11.260 --> 00:42:13.360
that back in her, which almost reins himself

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.900
back as well, because he has to be an example

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.239
for her. Now, does he still come up with his

00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.159
crazy concocted schemes? Yes. And does she then

00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.159
come up with crazy concocted schemes? Yes, she

00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.340
does. But she does have a little bit more. of

00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:35.739
that quickly on the end, quickly after this situation

00:42:35.739 --> 00:42:37.860
where she's kind of like, oh, I can't always

00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:40.239
go against orders. She has this line where she

00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.239
goes, as you well know, I can follow orders.

00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:45.800
And I'm sorry, but up until this point, where

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.739
is the evidence? that's insane there are a bunch

00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:52.579
of like very small moments in the show throughout

00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:55.579
the entire three seasons where he gives an order

00:42:55.579 --> 00:42:58.119
and she goes and follow it without argument and

00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.780
she does that even in season one there are moments

00:43:01.780 --> 00:43:03.940
where she goes and does that i understand the

00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:07.039
sentiment but i will not let you hyperbolic this

00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:11.739
this argument that much it is right after anakin

00:43:11.739 --> 00:43:14.989
goes You need to pull back. You need to stop.

00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:17.010
You need to stop. And she goes, no, no, no. I

00:43:17.010 --> 00:43:19.230
can see. They're retreating. They're retreating.

00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:21.610
And he's like, you are about to meet up with

00:43:21.610 --> 00:43:23.949
the rest of their army. You need to stop now.

00:43:24.170 --> 00:43:27.590
Everybody is going to die. And she is not listening

00:43:27.590 --> 00:43:30.650
to orders. And it is directly on the heels of

00:43:30.650 --> 00:43:34.909
that, is this quote. Which is a foolish line

00:43:34.909 --> 00:43:37.170
by her. And she's like, again, to be fair to

00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:43.480
Ahsoka, she is a teenager. And but she definitely

00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.579
has been able to follow orders before without

00:43:45.579 --> 00:43:50.579
complaint. She's just she's also very argumentative

00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:54.460
and she does like to push the envelope, especially

00:43:54.460 --> 00:43:58.599
to people who really should not be pushed back.

00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:05.059
She argues with everyone, everybody, which does

00:44:05.059 --> 00:44:07.719
very much feel like Anakin's Padawan. This is

00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.260
true. This is true. Like she's definitely more

00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:16.360
his child than Luke. Yes, but to be fair, he's

00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.739
kind of raising her. He didn't really have the

00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:21.280
opportunity to do that. That's why there's evidence

00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:29.420
for what I've just said. I think another interesting

00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:34.139
thing when I was rewatching this about Ahsoka

00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:38.099
and then also about Obi -Wan is there is a whole.

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.019
plotline on a force planet, which we will get

00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:46.760
to much more in depth in a little bit. But there

00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:50.380
is a plotline. I have so much to say. Good God.

00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:55.940
I know. But Ahsoka is kind of taken almost as

00:44:55.940 --> 00:45:00.219
a token for the dark side. And Obi -Wan is taken

00:45:00.219 --> 00:45:04.760
as a token for the light side. And I find that

00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.869
to be very interesting. I would say. Obi -Wan

00:45:08.869 --> 00:45:11.190
is the clear choice for the light side, so it

00:45:11.190 --> 00:45:13.550
feels like the dark side is kind of like, shrug,

00:45:13.590 --> 00:45:15.489
I guess I have to go with this person. Yeah,

00:45:15.550 --> 00:45:18.570
exactly. Man, I wish there was literally anybody

00:45:18.570 --> 00:45:23.969
else. However, during this, she's infected with

00:45:23.969 --> 00:45:27.429
the dark side. Yeah. Obi -Wan is not infected

00:45:27.429 --> 00:45:30.530
with the light side. Right. She is absolutely

00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:33.329
more susceptible than Obi -Wan is. She's not

00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:36.130
as strong. She's not as well trained, right?

00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:41.159
And she is young, so she's got more, and I don't

00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:43.880
know her biology specifically, but the show is

00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.420
in general making her a kid going through puberty

00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:49.760
of sorts, right? Not physical puberty, but emotional

00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.739
puberty. So she is more susceptible. I will say,

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.579
the dark side then does drain any sense out of

00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:59.000
her, and then she's filled with light side stuff.

00:45:59.659 --> 00:46:03.519
Yes. So it doesn't really become the token of

00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.010
the dark side. No, but in the visual where each

00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.610
is being held, it was just very interesting.

00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:13.170
It is fascinating that she is so susceptible

00:46:13.170 --> 00:46:18.929
in that entire sort of dealio. Ahsoka is the

00:46:18.929 --> 00:46:22.269
perfect parallel, I think, for kids to understand

00:46:22.269 --> 00:46:26.190
Anakin a bit more. Because she is who the viewer

00:46:26.190 --> 00:46:30.909
is essentially supposed to be. She is a kid learning

00:46:30.909 --> 00:46:33.840
the ways of the world. Through Anakin's eyes.

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.940
And so you get to know Anakin very well. If you're

00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:41.820
a kid looking. At Ahsoka's storyline. So she

00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:45.559
follows. His example. All the time. Which is

00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:51.420
how kids learn. Some kids learn. Hey I should

00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:54.840
sit down and study. And read things. And I will

00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.460
get information that way. But that's acquiring

00:46:57.460 --> 00:46:59.300
knowledge. Which is different than the learning

00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:02.409
process. Everybody, every human learns through

00:47:02.409 --> 00:47:04.889
an example of some way, shape or form, whether

00:47:04.889 --> 00:47:09.489
it's what not to do or what to do, which is why

00:47:09.489 --> 00:47:14.429
Anakin occasionally really bothers me as a teacher

00:47:14.429 --> 00:47:18.530
because he's so like, why are you like this?

00:47:18.610 --> 00:47:20.010
Why can't you just follow orders? You should

00:47:20.010 --> 00:47:21.570
just do as you're told. Like you've gone too

00:47:21.570 --> 00:47:24.789
far. And Obi -Wan even calls it out in one of

00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:27.769
my favorite lines where he goes, he like just

00:47:27.769 --> 00:47:30.849
is kind of like. not a parent of divorce he's

00:47:30.849 --> 00:47:34.889
just sitting there listening to anakin and ahsoka

00:47:34.889 --> 00:47:37.429
and it's like it's not a parent of yours it's

00:47:37.429 --> 00:47:40.150
a grandfather father daughter situation he's

00:47:40.150 --> 00:47:43.110
just he's just looking at anakin and kind of

00:47:43.110 --> 00:47:47.809
judging his training of ahsoka and he goes after

00:47:47.809 --> 00:47:50.250
anakin and ahsoka bicker for a while he goes

00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.840
I see Anakin's leadership style is now do as

00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.699
I say, not as I do. Yeah, that's stupid. It's

00:47:56.699 --> 00:47:59.179
a terrible way to teach. Anakin, if you want

00:47:59.179 --> 00:48:02.880
different results, be different. Right. But that's

00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.139
also something that I think bothers most people

00:48:06.139 --> 00:48:09.460
is they're confronted with a mini -me. There

00:48:09.460 --> 00:48:14.599
are so many people who have kids or... They're,

00:48:14.780 --> 00:48:18.239
you know, a young cousin or something like that.

00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.059
And they begin to act like you. And then you

00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:22.820
look and you're like, that is so annoying. Oh,

00:48:22.940 --> 00:48:28.260
my goodness. It's me. Totally. Why is this child

00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.460
so sassy? Oh, what did I just say? Okay. Well,

00:48:31.579 --> 00:48:33.679
they got that quote directly from me. Great.

00:48:34.659 --> 00:48:41.639
Shoot. My bad. I'm sorry I'm ruining you, tiny

00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:46.260
child. Anakin has a different woman in his life,

00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:48.219
one that he's married to and in love with and

00:48:48.219 --> 00:48:50.619
wants to go on two week long vacations with in

00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:55.239
the middle of a war. What? You do? That's one

00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.739
of the most out of character moments, I think,

00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.059
in the whole show. It's the entire time Anakin's

00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:02.300
like, I can't abandon. I can't do anything. All

00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:04.340
these men depend on me. The war depends on me.

00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.400
I've got to be there. And then there's one episode

00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.360
where he shows up with Padme and he's like, let's

00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.780
go on vacation for two weeks. They'll be fine.

00:49:13.219 --> 00:49:15.699
Everyone will be fine. No one will notice. No

00:49:15.699 --> 00:49:18.119
one will notice a top general and a senator have

00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.380
both left. Well, to be fair, he is supposed to

00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:25.199
be on a meditation retreat. Like, he isn't supposed

00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.500
to be there. And where is he supposed to be meditating?

00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:30.400
Just his quarters that are under lock and key

00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.539
the whole time? No one's going to know. How would

00:49:32.539 --> 00:49:34.519
they know? How would they know? They're going

00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:40.679
to know. Anyways, Padme is the person we're talking

00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.980
about. Who is very interesting because at the

00:49:45.980 --> 00:49:49.900
same time that Anakin is very much, I have to

00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:51.199
be there, I have to be there, I have to be there,

00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:55.920
Padme is the same. However, in my opinion, I

00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.500
think she takes it slightly farther than Anakin

00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:02.280
does. I agree. Because she still considers herself

00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.159
to be a public servant first and a wife second.

00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:11.469
Whereas Anakin puts his love of her above. everything

00:50:11.469 --> 00:50:16.630
in in name only i would say in verbiage because

00:50:16.630 --> 00:50:18.050
there are definitely a lot of times where he

00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:20.710
chooses everything else over their relationship

00:50:20.710 --> 00:50:23.650
although he says he wants to prioritize the opposite

00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:27.969
way he wants to prioritize that way he's often

00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:32.170
not i think he's really bowed to the pressures

00:50:32.170 --> 00:50:35.750
of well if i don't show up if they are calling

00:50:35.750 --> 00:50:40.070
me and i don't respond however There are a number

00:50:40.070 --> 00:50:42.949
of times when he's with her and ignoring phone

00:50:42.949 --> 00:50:46.570
calls or, you know, communicator calls or whatever

00:50:46.570 --> 00:50:50.429
they are. He is ignoring calls from important

00:50:50.429 --> 00:50:53.489
people to be with her. And he does mention it

00:50:53.489 --> 00:50:56.349
a number of times. But she is the first to drop

00:50:56.349 --> 00:51:00.269
everything to go make a speech or to go to a

00:51:00.269 --> 00:51:03.090
different planet to talk to some random person

00:51:03.090 --> 00:51:06.050
or to go behind enemy lines and put herself in

00:51:06.050 --> 00:51:10.670
danger for the. Let's see. Times Padme was captured,

00:51:10.989 --> 00:51:15.210
three. Times she rescues herself, mostly, of

00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:17.809
those three, two. Pretty good. Pretty good odds

00:51:17.809 --> 00:51:22.349
there. Times she's poisoned, two. Separate from

00:51:22.349 --> 00:51:25.090
the times she's captured. Times she almost dies

00:51:25.090 --> 00:51:28.210
in other ways. I believe it's two. There might

00:51:28.210 --> 00:51:30.650
have been a third, but I couldn't remember if

00:51:30.650 --> 00:51:32.409
that was also a capture and I didn't want to

00:51:32.409 --> 00:51:36.769
duplicate myself. So, all that being said, I...

00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:39.579
feel like i understand anakin's character a ton

00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:42.480
more in this show i understand obi -wan's character

00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:48.099
in a way that is satisfying i feel padme's character

00:51:48.099 --> 00:51:50.380
in these first three seasons i understand her

00:51:50.380 --> 00:51:53.719
less than i did with just the live action yeah

00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.219
she's much more gullible than i feel like she

00:51:57.219 --> 00:52:00.599
is in the live action Like, she trusts all of

00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.079
these dear friends and old lovers and family

00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.619
compatriots and other senators and gets captured,

00:52:08.699 --> 00:52:11.059
like, constantly. And gets captured and poisoned.

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:14.739
And then, like, she's around the Trade Federation,

00:52:15.019 --> 00:52:16.940
which she knows has wanted to kill her since

00:52:16.940 --> 00:52:19.559
she was 14 years old. And she's like, don't worry,

00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:21.400
Clovis will protect me. And then they poison

00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:25.039
her to get to Clovis. And it's like, okay. But

00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:28.320
then when we get to Revenge of the Sith. Obi

00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.380
-Wan's like, yeah, I saw Anakin killing younglings.

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.400
She's like, I don't believe you. I'm like, Obi

00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.599
-Wan, your bestest friend other than Anakin in

00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.320
the whole world, and you believed Clovis over

00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:45.380
Obi? What's happening here? She's also much more

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:48.199
a damsel in distress. Now, as you said, who does

00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.719
rescue yourself? But she never reads that much

00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.380
as a damsel in distress in the live action. At

00:52:53.380 --> 00:52:57.030
the very beginning, even in Naboo, she's... set

00:52:57.030 --> 00:52:59.369
it up with Keira Knightley's character Sabe so

00:52:59.369 --> 00:53:01.789
that they've swapped and like she has such ownership

00:53:01.789 --> 00:53:04.409
of all the stuff versus in this, they really,

00:53:04.429 --> 00:53:07.329
what I think they essentially do is they try

00:53:07.329 --> 00:53:09.670
and parallel her a little bit with Leia, which

00:53:09.670 --> 00:53:13.050
Leia is captured a bunch and foolish, but also

00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:15.829
able to get out of it. But that's also movies

00:53:15.829 --> 00:53:20.050
from the 80s, written in the 70s and 80s. Those

00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:23.530
are very different. about what women characters

00:53:23.530 --> 00:53:26.230
should be. Now, of course, Princess Leia is sort

00:53:26.230 --> 00:53:29.570
of a fresh and new take on women characters.

00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:31.849
That's one of the reasons why the movie is so

00:53:31.849 --> 00:53:34.809
popular. She's a princess and she needs to be

00:53:34.809 --> 00:53:36.949
rescued, but she can do it herself. And that's

00:53:36.949 --> 00:53:39.730
so cool. And then they improve on that a little

00:53:39.730 --> 00:53:43.489
bit for 1990s and aught standards where Padme's

00:53:43.489 --> 00:53:47.119
a bit less captured, a bit less foolish. And

00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.820
can still get herself out of tight situations

00:53:48.820 --> 00:53:51.619
that other people force her into. But that's

00:53:51.619 --> 00:53:55.539
not at her own stupidity. Yeah. And then we have

00:53:55.539 --> 00:53:58.679
this show. And I start to feel like they're almost

00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:03.179
being irresponsible from, like, a feminist perspective,

00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:05.260
to be honest. Like, I think they're being irresponsible

00:54:05.260 --> 00:54:07.719
from a feminist perspective about their women

00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.820
character here. Where they just kind of nerfed

00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:13.719
Padme into being this foolish damsel in distress

00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.039
to go and get rescued. And then they, like, try

00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.530
and... fix it, but not really. And it's funny

00:54:19.530 --> 00:54:23.150
coming from Dave Filoni's background, who's one

00:54:23.150 --> 00:54:24.789
of the main creators of the Clone Wars show,

00:54:24.889 --> 00:54:26.769
when he's coming from Avatar The Last Airbender,

00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:29.469
where a little bit of that stuff happens never.

00:54:30.429 --> 00:54:32.929
That is never a problem with the female characters

00:54:32.929 --> 00:54:35.869
in that show. So I just don't understand why

00:54:35.869 --> 00:54:39.409
Padme's like this. Yeah, it does frustrate me

00:54:39.409 --> 00:54:41.989
as well. That's why I started the whole count,

00:54:42.130 --> 00:54:44.920
because I was just going... This is ridiculous.

00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.840
She got herself tricked by yet another person.

00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.880
She's only in three arcs. So it's like every

00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.679
time she's in an arc, she's captured. Yeah. You

00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.199
know that when you see her, she's. Oh, I'm sorry.

00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.840
There is another time that she's also a hostage.

00:55:01.340 --> 00:55:04.940
Oh, good. Excellent. And she's holding on. Is

00:55:04.940 --> 00:55:06.539
that the one where she's holding Anakin's lightsaber?

00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.179
Yeah. Like, I can't get searched. Why? I have

00:55:10.179 --> 00:55:12.670
something. Of consequence, you should just say

00:55:12.670 --> 00:55:14.230
it's a lightsaber at this point. Just tell Bale.

00:55:14.349 --> 00:55:16.070
He's going to think some weird stuff about you,

00:55:16.090 --> 00:55:20.010
Padme. Yeah, it's fine. Bale, keep your secret.

00:55:20.130 --> 00:55:22.190
We know him. He's good. He won't bail on you.

00:55:22.190 --> 00:55:26.849
Of all the people that you should trust, he's

00:55:26.849 --> 00:55:31.369
probably one of three. Yeah. Anakin, Obi -Wan,

00:55:31.510 --> 00:55:35.150
R2 -D2 and C -3PO, and Bale. Well, okay. But

00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:38.349
I said, I specifically said people. Yeah. Droids

00:55:38.349 --> 00:55:40.309
aren't people. We understand your politics. I

00:55:40.309 --> 00:55:43.570
get it. They're a character. They're not people.

00:55:43.730 --> 00:55:47.329
They have no rights. They're definitely not slaves,

00:55:47.429 --> 00:55:53.690
certainly. I mean, they don't, but... Well, you

00:55:53.690 --> 00:55:56.389
and Ron Howard have very different perspective

00:55:56.389 --> 00:55:59.070
on the droids. Thank you very much, Solo, for

00:55:59.070 --> 00:56:02.230
your little enslaved revolution droid thing.

00:56:02.650 --> 00:56:06.610
Well, speaking of some other individuals who

00:56:06.610 --> 00:56:11.840
have no say in what... They can do. Or so we

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.880
think. Question mark. Oh, wait, no. They literally

00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.059
are inhibited from it. That's a wink and a nod

00:56:19.059 --> 00:56:29.340
again, Sierra. Don't ruin it. The clones. The

00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:35.219
clones. Besides Anakin, my favorite part of Clone

00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:38.940
Wars. The clones. I love the relationships between.

00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.699
Cody and Obi -Wan and Rex and Anakin, seeing

00:56:42.699 --> 00:56:45.719
them interact is very fun. They have really great

00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.059
banter. They have this level of respect that

00:56:49.059 --> 00:56:53.699
goes both ways, which is wonderful. I think that

00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:57.659
in some of the other Jedi clone relationships,

00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:01.300
the Jedi don't necessarily have the respect for

00:57:01.300 --> 00:57:04.900
the clones that Obi -Wan and Anakin do. And they

00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:07.760
definitely see them more as cannon fodder. And

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.900
well, this is why they're here is to die, essentially.

00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:17.039
And Anakin and Obi -Wan definitely have a clearer

00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.800
picture of these are still human beings. They

00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.360
are not droids who are, you know, mechanical

00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.480
and however much we want to argue that they are

00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.599
also thinking, feeling. I don't think that there's

00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:34.900
any argument that a clone is more so. Thinking

00:57:34.900 --> 00:57:38.500
and feeling and has their own personality and

00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:42.119
autonomy, despite the fact that they are all

00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.320
based on one individual. Right. I think the show

00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.420
makes that point. Yeah. Really clearly. Yes.

00:57:49.699 --> 00:57:53.800
And we see this many, many, many times with the

00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.480
way that they have their own names, with the

00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.139
way that they name themselves or name each other,

00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:04.539
with the way that they interact. Most importantly,

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:11.739
Rex is out and is injured and happens upon this

00:58:11.739 --> 00:58:15.880
home. And the children at this home look at him

00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:20.820
and say, you look just like my daddy. Which is

00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:23.719
extremely unusual because these are Twi 'lek

00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:28.780
or Twi 'lek children. Mm hmm. Or are they? Exactly.

00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:34.429
So he. is revealed, the father is revealed to

00:58:34.429 --> 00:58:38.630
be a clone who has defected, who has left. And

00:58:38.630 --> 00:58:43.329
he formed his own family and he's a farmer. And

00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:47.190
it really, it's such a huge moment because it

00:58:47.190 --> 00:58:50.030
gets to the humanity of the clones in a way that

00:58:50.030 --> 00:58:52.849
up until this point and this episode, we don't

00:58:52.849 --> 00:58:55.849
see quite yet. There's a lot more following this,

00:58:55.909 --> 00:58:59.170
but this is the really big moment where we can

00:58:59.170 --> 00:59:03.099
see there. could have been choices for them after

00:59:03.099 --> 00:59:06.460
the war, should things have turned out differently.

00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.840
There were choices for them during the war, even,

00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:16.659
if they were given more autonomy. And it's absolutely

00:59:16.659 --> 00:59:22.659
crazy that we see this insight so quickly into

00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:26.139
the show, and then also from Rex's perspective,

00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.000
and he decides not to turn cut in. and not to

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.420
say anything about it, and to just let Cut live,

00:59:32.699 --> 00:59:36.400
and let him continue doing his own thing. Just

00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.739
as an aside, I'm so excited for when we go and

00:59:38.739 --> 00:59:41.480
read Republic Commando books, because if you

00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:49.519
liked that story, boy, just you get sued. I could

00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.039
go on and on about the clones. The entire storyline

00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:58.699
with 99... Echo, Heavy, Cutup, and Droidbait,

00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.539
with them starting their training and Heavy getting

01:00:02.539 --> 01:00:07.219
some really important life lessons from 99, who

01:00:07.219 --> 01:00:14.260
is this essentially malformed clone. He was part

01:00:14.260 --> 01:00:17.360
of a literal bad batch of clones, and he runs

01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:22.960
the maintenance department on Kamino. And he,

01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:27.730
though... is taken in as a brother just the same

01:00:27.730 --> 01:00:32.429
by this group of clones. He is taken in as a

01:00:32.429 --> 01:00:36.630
brother to the point when the group get these

01:00:36.630 --> 01:00:41.349
medals, Medals of Valor, or similar to that.

01:00:41.590 --> 01:00:45.369
Heavy gives his to 99 because he couldn't have

01:00:45.369 --> 01:00:49.530
done it without him. And there is this absolute

01:00:49.530 --> 01:00:55.179
heartbreaking... moment when Fives and Echo return

01:00:55.179 --> 01:01:00.519
to Kamino and run into 99 and 99 just excitedly

01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.059
asks where's Heavy and they have to tell him

01:01:04.059 --> 01:01:08.059
that Heavy died and he unfolds his hand and holds

01:01:08.059 --> 01:01:10.320
out the medal that Heavy had given him that he's

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.440
still holding on I'm like I'm like gonna cry

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.000
again just thinking about it because it's just

01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:19.070
so it's this really touching brotherly love and

01:01:19.070 --> 01:01:23.070
affection and really this welcoming community

01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:26.170
that these clones have created within themselves

01:01:26.170 --> 01:01:32.349
and not too long after this 99 himself dies yeah

01:01:32.349 --> 01:01:36.869
and i just sob as they're holding him and pulling

01:01:36.869 --> 01:01:41.690
him aside and it's it's so beautiful and then

01:01:41.690 --> 01:01:45.940
at this point droid bait and cut up and heavy

01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:50.079
and 99. They're all gone. And right at the end

01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:54.980
of season three, Echo dies. In a moment of intense

01:01:54.980 --> 01:01:58.820
bravery. A very intense bravery. It is, it is

01:01:58.820 --> 01:02:02.179
very, very impactful, but it's one of those ones

01:02:02.179 --> 01:02:04.900
where you almost think he's going to get out

01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:08.780
of it. Yeah. And he doesn't. And it leaves fives

01:02:08.780 --> 01:02:14.070
alone. And it's, I, I, Yelled because I forgot

01:02:14.070 --> 01:02:16.530
that Echo doesn't make it past season three.

01:02:16.710 --> 01:02:20.510
And I yelled. I was like, no, no, no, not Echo.

01:02:21.269 --> 01:02:26.929
Because I love all those characters. And it's

01:02:26.929 --> 01:02:32.250
so heartbreaking to me to see them die so frequently.

01:02:32.710 --> 01:02:37.489
Because you know that behind each line of random

01:02:37.489 --> 01:02:40.380
clones that you never meet. There's another group

01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:43.880
of fives and Echo and Heavy. They all have their

01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:45.659
own personalities. They're all their own people.

01:02:46.059 --> 01:02:47.920
One of the single biggest components of the show

01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.219
that I like the most is the exploration around

01:02:50.219 --> 01:02:54.320
being made to fight, kill, die. How the Jedi

01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:59.139
suddenly are being made to fight, kill, die.

01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.699
What that does to Anakin. What that does to the

01:03:01.699 --> 01:03:04.900
soldiers. And the humanization of the soldiers.

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.679
So it's not just like, oh. Clones versus droids.

01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:10.440
Therefore, we can have as much mindless violence

01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:13.579
and parents won't care that much about it. Instead,

01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.139
they explore. They take some bravery to go into

01:03:16.139 --> 01:03:18.059
the humanization of soldiers. And one of the

01:03:18.059 --> 01:03:20.280
reasons is that apparently a lot of military

01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.340
or ex -military would go up to these creators

01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:26.679
and actors that were on the show and at conventions

01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:30.559
and stuff and be like, you guys get it right

01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.000
on the camaraderie here. It's so great to see

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.860
this. You don't see a lot of positivity. Around

01:03:36.860 --> 01:03:38.940
this. And then here's the positivity. And here's

01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:41.219
also the frustration about, I remember my late

01:03:41.219 --> 01:03:44.480
grandfather would talk about when he was in the

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:48.980
Vietnam war, being aware of the absolute corruption

01:03:48.980 --> 01:03:52.179
of the U S backed government that eventually

01:03:52.179 --> 01:03:55.400
lost and being super frustrated with that. But

01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.400
this is your career. This is your job. These

01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:58.659
are the men around you. These are the people

01:03:58.659 --> 01:04:01.219
that you have to help. And there's really, you

01:04:01.219 --> 01:04:04.900
know, for him, at least no way out. And in fake

01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:06.940
life, in this story, there is no way out for

01:04:06.940 --> 01:04:08.800
these clones. This is literally what they made

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.739
to do. And they made it illegal to leave. Yeah.

01:04:12.019 --> 01:04:15.980
Which is a huge human rights conversation that

01:04:15.980 --> 01:04:19.380
the Keminoans just, like, do not want to have

01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:20.860
and Palpatine doesn't want to have and nobody

01:04:20.860 --> 01:04:24.320
really wants to talk about. So I love that exploration

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:28.300
there. And then, of course, I end up hating what

01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:30.820
they add in right at the end of the show. But

01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:34.019
we'll... Talk about that in a couple of episodes.

01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:38.199
We're now going to move to our quick hit section

01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.820
on the bad guys before we get down to the rest

01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:45.320
of our category. So, Sierra, tell me about Palps.

01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.719
Good old Palpy. Palpy McPapa Palpatine. My dear

01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:56.800
friend Palpatine. My dear friend Sheev. I think

01:04:56.800 --> 01:05:01.860
we get some really, really good. palpatine working

01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:05.679
behind the scenes content in these seasons and

01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:09.119
i think he is definitely a character that i feel

01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.119
like maybe didn't need more development because

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.159
i think that what we get from him in the live

01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:19.519
actions is fairly fleshed out and we do relatively

01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.420
understand him in general But this just gives

01:05:23.420 --> 01:05:26.519
like bonus material, essentially. Like I feel

01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.679
like every scene that I get with Palpatine, I'm

01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.360
like, okay, what is he going to reveal that he's

01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.739
working on in the background this time? And it's

01:05:34.739 --> 01:05:38.320
very interesting, his kind of background machinations

01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.179
and all of his plots that he's got going. One

01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:45.380
in particular happens around this storyline with...

01:05:45.739 --> 01:05:48.559
a Zillow beast, which is this supposedly extinct

01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:52.539
creature that they accidentally disturb and wake

01:05:52.539 --> 01:05:55.219
from its slumber. And now it's out attacking.

01:05:55.579 --> 01:06:00.659
And Palpatine is very concerned with forming

01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:04.539
a treaty with the inhabitants of the planet that

01:06:04.539 --> 01:06:08.260
this monster was found on. And he has this quote.

01:06:08.780 --> 01:06:12.960
Well, this may be the only way we get the treaty

01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:18.380
signed and rest Master Windu's conscience. And

01:06:18.380 --> 01:06:22.199
he has this just disdain on the word conscience

01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.400
because Windu doesn't want to kill the beast

01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:29.449
because it's the last of its kind. you know,

01:06:29.449 --> 01:06:32.090
while being dangerous, it's an innocent creature.

01:06:32.289 --> 01:06:37.449
And so Windu does not want to kill it. And Palpatine

01:06:37.449 --> 01:06:41.750
does. And the Dugs, who are the inhabitants of

01:06:41.750 --> 01:06:44.090
the planet, their whole mission is to kill this

01:06:44.090 --> 01:06:46.190
creature. So there's a little bit of warring

01:06:46.190 --> 01:06:50.349
factions on that one. But Palpatine really lets

01:06:50.349 --> 01:06:55.289
his Sidious out in this plot line because he...

01:06:55.969 --> 01:06:59.809
He's like licking his lips at a feast. It's crazy

01:06:59.809 --> 01:07:03.250
that nobody looks over him and goes, are we sure

01:07:03.250 --> 01:07:05.610
that guy's not the big boss? Are we sure that

01:07:05.610 --> 01:07:08.369
guy's not the Sith? Is he really on the up and

01:07:08.369 --> 01:07:12.389
up? I am not 100 % sure. He is salivating a lot

01:07:12.389 --> 01:07:16.369
about sequencing the DNA of this thing. He gets

01:07:16.369 --> 01:07:20.469
so greedy over the potential of an anti -lightsaber

01:07:20.469 --> 01:07:25.610
shield because this beast, it's... Its armor,

01:07:25.730 --> 01:07:28.570
its scales, the material that its skin is made

01:07:28.570 --> 01:07:32.010
of is impervious to lightsabers and many other

01:07:32.010 --> 01:07:37.250
weapons. Why does our Chancellor want an anti

01:07:37.250 --> 01:07:39.250
-lightsaber? Is he thinking the lightsabers are

01:07:39.250 --> 01:07:40.650
going to... Yeah, you know, a Sith might come

01:07:40.650 --> 01:07:43.670
and get me. Uh -huh. Yeah, I feel like we're

01:07:43.670 --> 01:07:45.130
good enough to protect you, but what if you want

01:07:45.130 --> 01:07:47.429
to kill me? Why would we want to do that? No

01:07:47.429 --> 01:07:55.679
reason. He... He puts a whole planet and a very

01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.239
heavily, densely populated one at that Coruscant

01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:03.059
at risk because he thinks he has the upper hand

01:08:03.059 --> 01:08:08.699
on this creature because he is convinced that

01:08:08.699 --> 01:08:12.849
this beast isn't intelligent. Yeah. Which is

01:08:12.849 --> 01:08:16.350
absolutely wild because this beast has its eye

01:08:16.350 --> 01:08:21.130
on him specifically, does not like him and hunts

01:08:21.130 --> 01:08:23.770
him. The beast, the beast is essentially like

01:08:23.770 --> 01:08:25.890
Palpatine's like, this thing's not intelligent.

01:08:25.930 --> 01:08:27.630
And it looks at him and it essentially goes,

01:08:27.750 --> 01:08:34.270
aren't I? I'm coming for you now. It's almost

01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:37.390
like predator vision where it's like, you are

01:08:37.390 --> 01:08:42.560
the one prey targeted. Just you. This thing's

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:44.439
unintelligent. No, no, no. I figured out that

01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.539
you're actually in charge of this whole war that

01:08:46.539 --> 01:08:49.380
I've been knowing about for five minutes. Wow,

01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:51.340
you are really smart. Kill it. Kill it quickly.

01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:55.140
Why? It's super stupid. That's so stupid. And

01:08:55.140 --> 01:08:58.619
he is openly willing, which is the crazy part,

01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:02.939
openly willing to kill this innocent, if dangerous,

01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:06.840
creature just for the additional chance to study.

01:09:07.550 --> 01:09:11.149
its armor and to potentially use it for something.

01:09:11.409 --> 01:09:15.789
Yeah. And he openly says these thoughts, like

01:09:15.789 --> 01:09:19.869
he has inside thoughts on the outside and he

01:09:19.869 --> 01:09:26.609
has Sidious thoughts on the Palpatine. And he,

01:09:26.750 --> 01:09:29.770
I, there's a couple of moments where I kind of

01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:32.270
go, really? Nobody's picking up on this. The

01:09:32.270 --> 01:09:36.300
other one is. There's Padme has this storyline

01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:40.359
where she has gone behind enemy lines to a separatist

01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.439
planet and has met with a former friend. Another

01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.359
dear friend of hers. Another dear, dear friend

01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:52.460
who wants peace. And she's on the separatist

01:09:52.460 --> 01:09:55.460
council, I suppose is the right word. There's

01:09:55.460 --> 01:09:57.579
a Senate. They have a whole Senate on the separatist

01:09:57.579 --> 01:09:59.939
side and she's on that. And so she pushes forward

01:09:59.939 --> 01:10:03.529
this. a resolution to create peace, which they

01:10:03.529 --> 01:10:06.210
vote for. But it's kind of a little bit in the

01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:09.109
way that Puerto Rico for Forever has voted that

01:10:09.109 --> 01:10:12.529
they would like to become a United State. And

01:10:12.529 --> 01:10:14.210
the United States government continues to be

01:10:14.210 --> 01:10:17.149
like, no. And that's kind of what the Republic

01:10:17.149 --> 01:10:19.770
does with this peace. They're like, that's nice.

01:10:20.189 --> 01:10:23.970
Yeah. And obviously, you know, Palpatine cannot

01:10:23.970 --> 01:10:28.930
allow peace talks to truly occur because that

01:10:29.229 --> 01:10:32.970
foils all of his plans right and so when she

01:10:32.970 --> 01:10:37.550
gets back from this meeting Padme tells just

01:10:37.550 --> 01:10:42.649
Palpatine who the sponsor of this bill was for

01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:48.770
peace talks and one day later this sponsor is

01:10:48.770 --> 01:10:55.739
dead come on Padme Really? You told one guy.

01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:00.359
This is how you figure out which of your friends

01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:02.960
have you betrayed. Have betrayed you, I mean.

01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.000
You tell them each a different lie, except you

01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.340
only told one person the truth, and that person

01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:11.560
got murdered from it. Be smarter. I also, I really

01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.779
like the politics commentary that happens around

01:11:14.779 --> 01:11:17.460
Palpatine. Palpatine is not a person that I need

01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:19.340
to find more extra information. As you said,

01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:21.659
it's all bonus material. We understand who he

01:11:21.659 --> 01:11:25.210
is. All the time. It is fun to have the whole

01:11:25.210 --> 01:11:28.649
deregulating the banks, like as an actual political

01:11:28.649 --> 01:11:30.750
plot point where I'm like, oh, that's not for

01:11:30.750 --> 01:11:32.909
kids. That's for me. I like this. This is cool.

01:11:34.210 --> 01:11:36.590
But it's also nice that they're like political

01:11:36.590 --> 01:11:38.949
corruption can be found everywhere, but there's

01:11:38.949 --> 01:11:41.829
still a line to draw in the sand. And there are

01:11:41.829 --> 01:11:43.909
usually good people on both sides of conflicts

01:11:43.909 --> 01:11:45.569
that need to figure out a way to get together.

01:11:45.890 --> 01:11:48.310
It's trying to wheedle out the people who are

01:11:48.310 --> 01:11:51.449
stopping good from happening. That needs to occur,

01:11:51.649 --> 01:11:54.630
not kill each other all the time. So I really

01:11:54.630 --> 01:11:58.770
like that. On the flip side, we get General Grievous,

01:11:58.909 --> 01:12:02.289
who's only about killing people all the time.

01:12:02.310 --> 01:12:04.710
And I just got to say, I'm going to be a little

01:12:04.710 --> 01:12:08.029
bit of an old man in the next two of these, in

01:12:08.029 --> 01:12:11.329
the next two of these characters. Grievous in

01:12:11.329 --> 01:12:13.850
the original Clone Wars is way more frightening.

01:12:14.029 --> 01:12:17.609
He is essentially a Jedi death machine. And so

01:12:17.609 --> 01:12:20.789
anytime. They kind of, in the old Clone Wars,

01:12:20.970 --> 01:12:23.409
do what they do in animal documentaries where

01:12:23.409 --> 01:12:24.909
they're like, do you see this cute animal now

01:12:24.909 --> 01:12:27.649
you're emotionally attacked to? Like, yeah, I'm

01:12:27.649 --> 01:12:30.210
attached to it for sure. But OK, now it's in

01:12:30.210 --> 01:12:33.109
mortal peril and the mortal peril is grievous

01:12:33.109 --> 01:12:36.869
every time for whatever Jedi you want to learn

01:12:36.869 --> 01:12:39.770
about. So he's much scarier in the original.

01:12:39.829 --> 01:12:44.430
He's kind of a buffoon in this. But and also.

01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.380
The every time it's so funny, there's that one

01:12:47.380 --> 01:12:50.579
line of dialogue in Revenge of the Sith where

01:12:50.579 --> 01:12:54.000
Grievous is like General Skywalker. I thought

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:55.979
you would be a little taller. OK, so they've

01:12:55.979 --> 01:12:58.180
never met. So then there's all of these times

01:12:58.180 --> 01:13:00.340
where like Anakin happens to go left and Obi

01:13:00.340 --> 01:13:02.380
-Wan goes right. And oh, Grievous is an Obi -Wan

01:13:02.380 --> 01:13:09.180
again. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. I actually

01:13:09.180 --> 01:13:12.520
noticed there was another moment where because

01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:18.500
I believe that in. In Revenge, Obi -Wan is surprised

01:13:18.500 --> 01:13:22.279
to see four lightsabers, that he has four arms.

01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:25.819
And I noticed that the very first time in the

01:13:25.819 --> 01:13:29.960
show that they fight, he pulls out four arms.

01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.319
Yeah. And Obi -Wan fights him with four arms.

01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:35.579
And my husband was actually watching with me.

01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:39.119
And he goes, wait, isn't he surprised by that

01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:42.909
later? Again. that's that's their first fight

01:13:42.909 --> 01:13:46.310
in season one which is non -canon disneyland

01:13:46.310 --> 01:13:49.630
yeah that's non -canon at that point when they

01:13:49.630 --> 01:13:51.609
created that show so they weren't they weren't

01:13:51.609 --> 01:13:55.170
continuity uh as as as tight as they are in the

01:13:55.170 --> 01:13:57.989
later seasons right yeah but it was just it was

01:13:57.989 --> 01:14:05.670
very interesting to to be like leo dicaprio in

01:14:05.670 --> 01:14:10.640
hollywood movie yeah I think, though, Grievous

01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:14.300
can really be just summed up with his quote.

01:14:16.060 --> 01:14:22.579
Dooku is criticizing that he has made these changes

01:14:22.579 --> 01:14:26.060
to his body, and he declares them improvements.

01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:32.710
I submit to no one. I chose them. Which I do

01:14:32.710 --> 01:14:35.010
find very interesting about him. It's all well

01:14:35.010 --> 01:14:36.949
and good, but Duke is looking at it being like,

01:14:36.989 --> 01:14:38.810
you've taken out any means of your connection

01:14:38.810 --> 01:14:41.069
to the Force. You've removed all this blood from

01:14:41.069 --> 01:14:43.350
you. There's no midichlorians in you, so this

01:14:43.350 --> 01:14:44.909
isn't an improvement because the Force cannot

01:14:44.909 --> 01:14:46.670
work through you. Which is one of the reasons

01:14:46.670 --> 01:14:50.569
why Sidious is like, this guy sucks, but he's

01:14:50.569 --> 01:14:53.329
useful. Like, he has such disdain for Grievous.

01:14:53.729 --> 01:14:56.770
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Well, yeah, and they're always

01:14:56.770 --> 01:15:00.510
like, we'll just leave you to your... Droids.

01:15:02.289 --> 01:15:05.609
Do you know who was also left to their own? Well,

01:15:05.689 --> 01:15:08.609
devices, not droids was little, little Boba Fett.

01:15:10.130 --> 01:15:13.890
Little Boba Fett. He has some interesting little

01:15:13.890 --> 01:15:17.470
moments. He's on a very many episodes, but he's

01:15:17.470 --> 01:15:22.010
pretty impactful because we are seeing a clone,

01:15:22.149 --> 01:15:26.729
not raised as a clone who has been immediately

01:15:26.729 --> 01:15:33.260
given autonomy. And he has this little plot line

01:15:33.260 --> 01:15:35.899
where he's trying to murder Windu in revenge

01:15:35.899 --> 01:15:42.340
for killing his father. And he ends up stranding

01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:47.500
some other trainee clones about his age, about

01:15:47.500 --> 01:15:51.199
his age, his, you know, because he was there

01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:53.180
at the they're at the rate that he they're all

01:15:53.180 --> 01:15:55.960
in a 10 year old's body at that time. Thank you.

01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:01.420
They are five. He's 10. And he ends up kind of

01:16:01.420 --> 01:16:05.539
abandoning these other clones to potentially

01:16:05.539 --> 01:16:10.699
their death. To their death. And this other clone,

01:16:10.979 --> 01:16:14.340
Jax, the other people are like, wow, he's not

01:16:14.340 --> 01:16:16.819
like us at all. How could he be like us? And

01:16:16.819 --> 01:16:20.539
Jax says, I hope he is like us. If he's like

01:16:20.539 --> 01:16:24.359
us, he'll realize he's wrong. Yeah. Which...

01:16:24.699 --> 01:16:27.739
is very interesting because in this whole, you

01:16:27.739 --> 01:16:30.180
know, focus on clones and how they're so different

01:16:30.180 --> 01:16:34.300
from each other, hopefully they do on some level

01:16:34.300 --> 01:16:36.680
think alike because they're going to have good

01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:41.479
values. And that also brings me to an interesting

01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:46.439
situation that comes from a very unexpected place

01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:51.739
for me, which is Hondo, the bounty hunter, who

01:16:51.739 --> 01:16:57.949
is... wonderful little villain here. And he has

01:16:57.949 --> 01:17:03.250
welcomed Boba in for a short period of time following

01:17:03.250 --> 01:17:08.250
this situation. And he tells Boba that he needs

01:17:08.250 --> 01:17:11.449
to do the honorable thing because that's what

01:17:11.449 --> 01:17:15.430
Jango would have wanted. And I honestly believe

01:17:15.430 --> 01:17:19.899
Hondo thinks this in this moment. Whether he's

01:17:19.899 --> 01:17:22.819
using it to, you know, kind of get Boba to do

01:17:22.819 --> 01:17:25.239
whatever he wants, I'm not entirely sure, probably,

01:17:25.500 --> 01:17:29.319
because that's kind of who Hondo is. But it is,

01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.739
it kind of ties back to that, well, all the clones

01:17:32.739 --> 01:17:36.880
have some level of built -in honor code. Yeah.

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.140
And doing a good thing. Now, Jango was a bounty

01:17:41.140 --> 01:17:44.960
hunter and everything, but he did have values.

01:17:45.020 --> 01:17:47.340
He knew where he drew his own line in the sand.

01:17:49.020 --> 01:17:52.079
Which is, I don't want to kill Padme. I want

01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.979
to send a bounty hunter to send a droid to send

01:17:55.979 --> 01:17:58.159
some bugs to kill her. And if that bounty hunter

01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:04.380
fails, then I'll kill her. Yeah. So, you know,

01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:08.420
I mean, they have some sort of honor. It's kind

01:18:08.420 --> 01:18:11.460
of like an honor amongst thieves situation where

01:18:11.460 --> 01:18:15.220
they're not the greatest people, but they have

01:18:15.220 --> 01:18:18.260
a code. I think Hondo's doing a little bit of

01:18:18.260 --> 01:18:21.159
swindling there by trying to convince Boba and

01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.100
sort of lean on dead dad. Dead dad makes you

01:18:24.100 --> 01:18:28.479
do this. We'll say, though, Hondo might be swindling

01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.600
him, but he is actually in the right because

01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:33.699
the other option is Boba straight up murders

01:18:33.699 --> 01:18:37.319
somebody. Yeah, that's true. But I think Jango

01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:40.979
would straight up murder. It's all very convoluted.

01:18:41.020 --> 01:18:45.100
For money. Yeah, for money. But also like in

01:18:45.100 --> 01:18:48.979
the old EU comics, Jenga was like a bad dude.

01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.479
So it's kind of hard for me to separate out like

01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:57.659
what is EU versus anyways. So my point is Boba

01:18:57.659 --> 01:19:00.300
clearly has some sort of honor to him in both

01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:03.920
what they've done with him at Disney World, Disney,

01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.520
Star Wars stuff, and also the old EU. Boba's

01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:09.699
one of my favorite old EU characters. The Mandalorian

01:19:09.699 --> 01:19:13.119
Wars is a trilogy that I really loved. He has

01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:14.939
a begrudging respect for Hansel, even though

01:19:14.939 --> 01:19:17.579
they're frenemies. So there's a lot there with

01:19:17.579 --> 01:19:19.600
Boba. And I kind of think Disney's botched his

01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.479
character a little bit because we see so little

01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:23.739
of him as a little kid. And there's some old

01:19:23.739 --> 01:19:25.520
EU books of him as a little kid that are like

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.279
super cool in the way that he outsmarts Darth

01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.960
Tyrannus slash Count Dooku into letting him live.

01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:33.739
And then, of course, Lucasfilm was developing

01:19:33.739 --> 01:19:37.880
level 1313 on course, which was a Boba Fett.

01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:41.859
like origin story video game set on level 1313

01:19:41.859 --> 01:19:45.560
in Coruscant that was done. It was in the final

01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:48.300
sort of rendering phases and they shut the whole

01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:51.779
thing down. That's such a shame. I know it is.

01:19:51.779 --> 01:19:55.460
It is one of my least favorite components. So

01:19:55.460 --> 01:19:57.819
I think there is an honor that he's appealing

01:19:57.819 --> 01:20:01.739
to, but also I think Hondo, I think Hondo just

01:20:01.739 --> 01:20:03.779
wants to, we'll say whatever he needs to say

01:20:03.779 --> 01:20:06.149
in order to get somebody to do something. I have

01:20:06.149 --> 01:20:08.310
no idea if Hondo really knew Jango or not. So

01:20:08.310 --> 01:20:10.770
you know who Hondo gets to know eventually at

01:20:10.770 --> 01:20:16.869
some point is Ventress and her mate, as the Nightsisters

01:20:16.869 --> 01:20:19.470
put it, not her mate at all, just her lackey

01:20:19.470 --> 01:20:23.310
servant. Mm -hmm. Savage, for being such a big

01:20:23.310 --> 01:20:26.289
character, we don't actually see that much in

01:20:26.289 --> 01:20:28.369
these first three seasons. He's only in six episodes.

01:20:28.409 --> 01:20:32.020
And he shows up on Dathomir when... So Palpatine,

01:20:32.020 --> 01:20:35.479
who is not quite aware that Ventress is actually

01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.279
Dooku's apprentice and that Dooku's like, I want

01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.060
to kill Palpatine so that I can be in charge.

01:20:40.979 --> 01:20:43.680
Which, come on, Palpatine, get on that. You should

01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:48.220
know. You, you know. To be fair, he does figure

01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:52.819
it out because he does command Dooku to kill

01:20:52.819 --> 01:20:55.000
her. Yes, eventually. But it's kind of like before

01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.159
that, it's like, bud, come on. You Sith always

01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.319
do this all the time. Yeah. So you should see,

01:21:01.340 --> 01:21:03.199
she's running around with two red lightsabers.

01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.699
Two red lightsabers is usually the force. I'm

01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:09.239
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure her meetings with

01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:10.920
Count Dooku when he's teaching her how to use

01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.500
the force are like apprentice master sort of

01:21:13.500 --> 01:21:16.560
level. No, I mean, is that not how anyways? So

01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.319
I'm like, you know, Palpatine killed his master.

01:21:19.460 --> 01:21:21.560
It's just kind of the Sith way. You either kill

01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:23.779
your apprentice or the apprentice kills you.

01:21:24.979 --> 01:21:29.010
So she ventures, goes out to Dathomir and, Takes

01:21:29.010 --> 01:21:32.369
Darth Maul's brother and they do some sort of

01:21:32.369 --> 01:21:34.189
witchy stuff to make him be like the biggest

01:21:34.189 --> 01:21:36.409
alpha male who's ever followed a female ever.

01:21:36.770 --> 01:21:42.050
It's crazy. And then we get Savage. Now, Ventress

01:21:42.050 --> 01:21:43.949
is interesting because she's this like Dark Jedi

01:21:43.949 --> 01:21:47.050
assassin, but she's very much a at this stage

01:21:47.050 --> 01:21:49.329
in these three seasons. She's very much like

01:21:49.329 --> 01:21:52.729
a kid's evil character. There's very little we

01:21:52.729 --> 01:21:55.340
know about her. She has very little personality.

01:21:55.579 --> 01:21:57.520
She's just there to be evil. And then suddenly

01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.479
in these episodes with Savage, she's got flair

01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:03.500
and personality and a cool backstory and all

01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:05.699
of this amazing Dathomir stuff that pops up.

01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:08.180
Yeah, it's very, very interesting. And we get

01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:12.079
a little bit more of what the Dathomir people

01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:18.319
are like and where Darth Maul came from and how

01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:20.680
there's the split between the men and the women

01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:22.579
and they live in completely different areas.

01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.199
They look absolutely nothing like each other,

01:22:26.300 --> 01:22:32.060
which is crazy. And you have Ventress going to

01:22:32.060 --> 01:22:36.000
basically pick somebody who's going to be her

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:40.140
replacement, but also her personal assassin and

01:22:40.140 --> 01:22:45.920
her apprentice. And so she wants this very impressive

01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:50.859
person to step into her shoes and then... with

01:22:50.859 --> 01:22:56.119
her command, turn on Dooku and kill him for revenge

01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:01.039
for trying to kill her. So we have this very,

01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.560
very interesting competition between all of the

01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.899
men to the death, essentially. However, Savage

01:23:08.899 --> 01:23:14.039
gives his life to her and everything to protect

01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:17.770
his brother, Feral, who... is one of the only

01:23:17.770 --> 01:23:19.989
ones left. And he basically is like, just leave

01:23:19.989 --> 01:23:23.350
him, let him live and I'll go with you. It's

01:23:23.350 --> 01:23:26.289
fine. You know, I'll fight you one -on -one and

01:23:26.289 --> 01:23:29.649
you'll see that I'm the right one. And it's quite

01:23:29.649 --> 01:23:34.829
touching for what we see from Dathomir and that

01:23:34.829 --> 01:23:37.630
they actually have this brotherly connection

01:23:37.630 --> 01:23:40.510
and care for each other, especially considering

01:23:40.510 --> 01:23:43.470
how kind of almost Spartan and warlike their

01:23:43.470 --> 01:23:47.489
people are. Yeah, for real. And then, As soon

01:23:47.489 --> 01:23:50.229
as he has all the witchy stuff happen to him,

01:23:50.329 --> 01:23:53.590
he immediately has to turn around and kill his

01:23:53.590 --> 01:23:55.949
brother, Feral. Yeah, under Ventress's orders,

01:23:56.229 --> 01:23:58.869
right? Yes, under Ventress's orders. It basically

01:23:58.869 --> 01:24:04.229
is like the Uruk -hai coming out of the pit.

01:24:04.649 --> 01:24:07.789
The goo. Yes, exactly. And killing the guy that's

01:24:07.789 --> 01:24:10.949
undoing it, yeah. Yeah, that's their first...

01:24:11.420 --> 01:24:14.859
their first moment in life is to cause death.

01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:17.880
And so it's almost his first moment in this new

01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.960
life is to cause the death of his family. So,

01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.060
and it is very interesting because while some

01:24:24.060 --> 01:24:26.720
of them call them like brother and sister, it's

01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:29.659
very clear that Savage and Farrell are actually

01:24:29.659 --> 01:24:35.340
brothers. Yes. Not just brothers in, Oh, we are

01:24:35.340 --> 01:24:38.659
all one. We are all brothers, but literal brothers.

01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:44.149
And, This also brings us to the very, very, very,

01:24:44.149 --> 01:24:49.149
very, very end as well of their storyline where

01:24:49.149 --> 01:24:54.609
they have failed to kill Dooku. And they're going

01:24:54.609 --> 01:24:59.649
to go prep some more. But Ventress and Savage

01:24:59.649 --> 01:25:05.050
have broken up, essentially. And Savage needs

01:25:05.050 --> 01:25:09.149
some more training. And so the Nightsisters...

01:25:10.779 --> 01:25:14.119
Oh, but Savage, you have a brother. And he's

01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.859
like, no, I killed my last brother. I have no

01:25:17.859 --> 01:25:23.180
more family. And then we see an image of Darth

01:25:23.180 --> 01:25:29.239
Maul. Cue the boys are back in town. And he goes

01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:35.180
to train with him. Dun, dun, dun. Incredible.

01:25:35.579 --> 01:25:38.319
I will note here. I think it's fascinating that

01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:41.840
Palpatine. Kind of looks at Dooku, who was trying

01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:43.680
to be like, no, no, this isn't my apprentice.

01:25:43.779 --> 01:25:45.460
This is just an assassin that's being trained

01:25:45.460 --> 01:25:47.560
in the dark, dark ways of the force. Palpatine's

01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.399
like, oh, yeah, the rule of two. That would be

01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:54.659
a way to get about it. Semantics. Yes, I like

01:25:54.659 --> 01:25:57.739
semantics. And then makes the Inquisitors, which

01:25:57.739 --> 01:26:01.159
are essentially Sith, but not. And then also

01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:06.430
maybe, maybe. Hands of the Emperor, cough, cough,

01:26:06.489 --> 01:26:09.770
Mara Jade, where you at? We'll see. Very, very

01:26:09.770 --> 01:26:13.130
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01:28:01.180 --> 01:28:03.819
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01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:07.020
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01:28:07.020 --> 01:28:28.979
Jeremiah Alves. I also think here that Anakin,

01:28:29.180 --> 01:28:34.619
in actuality, he's not too a -toached. Count

01:28:34.619 --> 01:28:41.300
number one, mess up noise for Brit. Count number

01:28:41.300 --> 01:28:47.039
two, ah, ah, ah. I was just thinking that. I

01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:48.739
still can't believe on Stranger Things I made

01:28:48.739 --> 01:28:52.260
that joke. One Demogorgon, ah, ah, ah. And you

01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:55.380
were like, yep, uh -huh. And then later I had

01:28:55.380 --> 01:28:59.520
to explain it to you like, oh, it just I was

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:03.960
just not in the headspace to recognize that you

01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.500
were quoting anything. I think it was also twelve

01:29:06.500 --> 01:29:08.439
forty five in the morning for me during that

01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:12.380
podcast record. Yeah. Anyways, should I go all

01:29:12.380 --> 01:29:15.319
the way back to like the most important one where

01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:18.640
I went? Oh, I'll start from that after my like,

01:29:18.699 --> 01:29:22.020
oh, there you go, Brett. There's your cue. Oh,

01:29:22.020 --> 01:29:30.539
go find it. Helpful. Indeed. Actually, it's actually

01:29:30.539 --> 01:29:33.939
a very good cue in it. I'm just making fun of

01:29:33.939 --> 01:29:37.840
you because I can. Yeah. He also does keep Anakin

01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.000
in check at sometimes. Hold on. He does keep

01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.279
Anakin in... One more time. Count number four.

01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.579
Sorry. Caught my throat. There you go. I don't

01:29:48.579 --> 01:29:50.699
know what I just said, but it was in support.

01:29:51.060 --> 01:29:57.029
There you go. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I...

01:29:57.029 --> 01:30:05.170
Yeah, God. I just, like, called you God. Yeah,

01:30:06.050 --> 01:30:07.529
God. I think you were trying to say you're good.

01:30:08.130 --> 01:30:12.350
Yeah. I was. Yeah, it was like, yeah, God. But

01:30:12.350 --> 01:30:14.310
it's like this weird Sam accent that comes out

01:30:14.310 --> 01:30:16.470
every once in a while where I just, like, don't

01:30:16.470 --> 01:30:22.149
form words. Yeah, God. What? You're good. Mm

01:30:22.149 --> 01:30:25.010
-hmm. Those sound exactly the same. Yeah, definitely.

01:30:25.270 --> 01:30:26.909
It's okay. My daughter is doing that right now.

01:30:27.289 --> 01:30:35.350
Every sentence. But I'm not five. I'm four. I'm

01:30:35.350 --> 01:30:44.109
four. I'm 33. I'm only 33 years old. Which feels

01:30:44.109 --> 01:30:47.670
very much like Anakin's Padway. Padway? Padme.

01:30:47.810 --> 01:30:53.090
Padway? But... That was a lot of struggling noises.

01:30:55.130 --> 01:30:59.369
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