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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. And today

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we're going into one of our lore galore episodes,

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which means that we're bringing in an expert

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to go over this character that we are deeping,

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diving into the galore of their lore. And to

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do that, we will be giving a big giant welcome

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shmalkum to our expert on today's episode. One

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Mr. Garrett Kenneth Fielding. Social security

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number 341 -87 -3442. Lives on Sepulveda Boulevard

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in Los Angeles. Yeah, welcome. That's someone's

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actual security number, you know. I know. Someone,

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somewhere. Someone, somewhere. Welcome. Hello.

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How are you? Thank you for having me. Glad to

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be on. Thank you for coming. So, okay, so this

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is your first time. On a Star Wars thing, which

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means we've got to introduce you properly to

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everybody. So how did you come to know and love

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the Star Wars fandom that we're covering today?

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That's an interesting question. I have no memory

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of my first Star Wars exposure. Star Wars has

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been a fixture in my life for as long as I can

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remember. It must have been somewhere around

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four or five or six years old. We had the VHS

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tapes growing up and it was just a fixture in

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the household. Alright. This is why we have him,

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everybody. So, he was born into it. Much like

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Bane was born in the darkness, I was born in

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Star Wars. But we didn't buy it. I was born into

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Star Wars. We merely adopted it later on. We're

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going to need subtitles for an audio for that

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last one. I mean, we needed subtitles for that

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entire movie. Okay, so what is your favorite

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movie, TV show, comic book of the Star Wars fandom?

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Favorite film forever has been Episode VI. Respect

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and admiration for episode five has matured a

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lot as I've gotten older. And episode five is

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critically a masterpiece. But I cannot get over

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the childhood love for episode six that I have

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as the triumphant finale. It also has the best

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space battles, in my opinion. However, in my

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adult life, that is being competed with by Rogue

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One. Yeah. We just rewatched it, my wife and

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I. And at the very end of it, she goes. Yeah,

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that's my favorite Star Wars movie. And I was

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like, I do not blame you. It's so good. It's

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really good. Really good. Sierra's a big hater.

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It's her least favorite one. It is not. It is

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not. I like it a lot. It will never be my husband's

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favorite, though, because he needs lightsabers.

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Okay, fair. It's not a lightsaber one. Having

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known you for a long time, Garrett, since Sierra

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and I both have known you since college, I thought

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you were breaking news today, because in the

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document, you Roman numeraled incorrectly. You

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have episode four slash R1, and I was like, Garrett

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changed from Return of the Jedi? That's crazy!

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I have been trying for years for you to do that.

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Apologies, apologies. There, I just changed it

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back. Okay, great. Let the record show that in

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the documents we can always find in the previous

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versions that you once put episode four. That

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is fantastic. What about, do you have any favorite

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TV shows, comic books, books? Books, I am a huge

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fan of expanded Star Wars literature, especially

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the old EU. The Thrawn trilogy, that's to be

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my favorite. It is the, in my opinion, the foundation

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to all of the expanded literature. I know it

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wasn't the first. Uh, but I think it was the

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most important, uh, in, in the old EU. Uh, when

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people ask me, where do I start with Star Wars

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books? I always tell them the Thrawn trilogy.

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That's just, it has to be raised. When, when,

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uh, episode seven was announced, but we knew

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nothing about it. And everybody was speculating

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that it was going to be the Thrawn trilogy, even

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though that only takes place like five years

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after, uh, Return of the Jedi. Garrett was like,

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no, no, they shouldn't do that unless they're

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going to do a page for page remake, where it's

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just what you read on page one. Yep. And then

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it's exactly what happens on page two. And then

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exactly. And those books are like, I don't know,

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300, 400 pages each. And it is conventional knowledge

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that one page equals one minute of screen time

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for a script. So for prose, it's that dense.

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We're talking about like. You know, 1 ,200 minutes

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of movie making. Make it a TV show. That's fine.

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I would have accepted TV media. It was one of

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Garrett's worst days ever when I pointed out

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to him that the first Thrawn book does refer

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to the old Clone Wars. Before Clone Wars was

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a thing when the Clone Wars was originally the

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Sith cloned all the Jedi and then they had to

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all fight each other, which was Lucas's first

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like Clone Wars thing. And so I was like, well,

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you'd have to change that. And Gary's like, nope.

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Don't worry about it. Okay. Last question here

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of the following. Would you rather be a military

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pilot or rogue smuggler? A Jedi, a Sith, or a

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moisture farmer on Tatooine that could be eaten

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by any of Jabba's rancors at any point? This

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is an interesting question, and it kind of depends

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on how I'm feeling on any given day. Also, what

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books I've been reading most recently. For today,

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I'm going to go with Military Pilot. If anyone

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is looking for more old EU recommendations, the

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Rogue Squadron series is phenomenal, especially

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if you're into... aviation and aerial combat

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it's a great read uh so i'm gonna go with military

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pilot for this one it's very wedge and tilly's

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heavy it's great which really fleshes out his

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character played played by ewan mcgregor's uncle

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as it turns out always a fun fact well welcome

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garrett is a fun fact to be honest There's a

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delightful fact. I really enjoyed that one. Isn't

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it great? This may sound sarcastic. I'm positively

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chuffed by this little tidbit. Did you not know

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that? I did not know that. Oh, that's great.

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Follow -up fact to that is that he told Ewan

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McGregor not to take the role. Yeah. That's also

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delightful. It's great. But then he shows up

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in Rise of Skywalker, so it's all good. It's

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all fine. There you go. For today's episode,

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we are not going to be discussing Ewan McGregor.

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However, closely related, we will be playfully

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pontificating about everyone's favorite Irish

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Jedi, Qui -Gon Jinn. Yes, Qui -Gon Jinn. And

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without further ado, as Roger Smith says, we

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shall dive on in. So the first thing we want

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to establish is just when are... viewers in general

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introduced to Qui -Gon Jinn and how do most of

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our Schmisseners mainly know him? If you are

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introduced to, you know, the Star Wars series

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at all, chances are you came across him first

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and potentially lastly in Phantom Menace. I'm

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so excited for you to watch it, Obi -Wan. Liam

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Neeson. Liam Neeson. He is Liam Neeson. Yeah.

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So we pick him up in 1999 in Phantom as the Jedi

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with the green lightsaber. That seems super cool.

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Heck yeah. So that's, you know, that's kind of

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when we first come across him, a lot of people

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probably didn't think they'd see him again after

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that. But what are kind of like our initial impressions

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when we first came across this Jedi? What do

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we think? For viewers in episode one, the importance

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of Qui -Gon is a relationship to Obi -Wan, right?

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Obi -Wan is the character that we are all familiar

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with if we've seen previous films. So for viewers

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who are seeing episode one with prior knowledge

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of the original three films. Qui -Gon's importance

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is only a function of his relationship to Obi

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-Wan. So his role as Obi -Wan's master establishes

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a degree of importance for us. It's not necessarily

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Qui -Gon himself immediately anyway. It's just

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his relationship to Obi -Wan. I feel like it

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takes maybe like 10 -15 minutes into the first

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act of the movie before you're like... The importance

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is now the character rather than just his relationship.

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Because, you know, we get the scenes early on

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with him, you know, dispelling information and

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wisdom to his apprentice, Obi -Wan. And then

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we see him doing these force moves in that awesome

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scene where he strikes the saber into the doors

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before the droidekas show up. And then, you know,

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they get down on the planet. He talks to Jar

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Jar. He gets them to go to the city. But by the

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time we get to... Him dispelling wisdom to who

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we think is the queen saying, hey, we got to

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go. Here's the things that we got to do. And

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hey, do you want her in the clutches of the huts?

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I think at that point when he's starting to make

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those decisions, we've seen how important he

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is just as a character. Well, he's established

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as an authority figure quite early on. Super

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early. In the very first scene with he and Obi

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-Wan. uh in the room waiting for the nemoide

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delegation uh he is immediately an authority

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figure to obi -wan he is telling obi -wan like

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stop focusing on anything that's not here and

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now in the moment right uh and throughout the

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earliest i have a bad feeling yes yes uh throughout

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the entire introductory sequence he's established

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as what i will consider a badass right like not

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only is he This authority figure to Obi -Wan,

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he's very much an authority mentor figure, but

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he's also got this very warrior monk streak going

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with the combat that happens on that initial

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trade federation ship. So his warrior monk figure

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is established very early on. The hair set up,

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the makeup, the way that the robes flow, that

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moment of peace and tranquility that he has that

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John Williams plays up before he stabs into the

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door. All of that really justifies what his character

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is going to be later on. I think for me, my initial

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impressions about him coming out of that movie

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were like, he's, I want this man to be my dad.

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Like, he seems so caring and insightful and peaceful,

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you know? uh and that really struck home with

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me he he seems and we talk about this a little

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bit in our phantom pod he seems like the guy

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that anakin should have at the end right he's

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the dad that anakin needs not the brother that

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he's going to get um and so my initial impressions

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were like wow what an awesome character what

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a horrible Death. Like, there's two people that

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really stick out to me from childhood that I

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was, like, really affected by their deaths in

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literature, in some way, shape, or form, or in

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film. And it was Liam Neeson's Obi -Wan and Sirius

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Black. Both these father figures that were...

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Yeah, Qui -Gon, of course. Not Liam Neeson himself,

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who's still alive and kicking as of this recording.

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Well, you said Obi -Wan. Oh, well, aren't I a

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fool? Qui -Gon! So... Yeah, Qui -Gon and Sirius

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Black were the two that I was like, oh, no, because

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of what it means for the future versus, you know,

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when Obi -Wan dies in episode four, it's kind

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of like, oh, the old mentor has sacrificing himself

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to move forward versus this is like Qui -Gon's

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not sacrificing. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. The other

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important thing that his character establishes

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for viewers of this film for the first time is.

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Keep in mind, this is the first time that we're

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seeing the Jedi Order as it existed before the

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Empire. This is the first time that we are seeing

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Jedi operating in the way that they did for thousands

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of years before the rise of the Empire. So the

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relationship between Qui -Gon and Obi -Wan, and

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Qui -Gon especially as the authority figure in

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the situation, sets the tone for what the Jedi

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Order is supposed to be. Because all we had had

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prior to this is descriptions of it from Obi

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-Wan as sort of this loosely organized religious

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slash paramilitary organization. But this is

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our first portrayal of this is what the Jedi

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are supposed to be. Yeah, no, absolutely. Sierra,

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what were your first impressions? My first impressions?

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Yeah, it was a lot of just very... Like, he's

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just the way that he's portrayed is so impactful

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in the way that he has the calm and composure

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that you'd kind of anticipate. And yet also that

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strength in battle, which I think definitely

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as you're being introduced to the Jedi kind of

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in their true form, I'd say he's just such a

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great example of kind of what a Jedi. Should

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be from kind of at this point, you know, when

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the film started, almost like Jedi of lore, essentially.

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And so he's a very good example of kind of like

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what you would have hoped the Jedi would be.

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And, you know, I think for me personally, that

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was very impactful. And then also just, yeah,

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his his death just. I think, really shocking.

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I remember being surprised by it. I definitely

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did not see it coming. It is surprising. Especially

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since we were seven -ish at the time. And, you

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know, I think trying to remember if I ended up

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watching it a little bit late because some of

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my first memories of Phantom Menace are with

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my brother and he... He wasn't around until a

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couple of years after that. Um, but I, I know

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that we would fight over who was Qui -Gon when

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we would do fake lightsaber battles. So, um,

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that, that kind of explains it a little bit,

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I would say. So that was, um, yeah, kind of my

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initial impression is just like, wow, he is so

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cool and just really upset definitely by his

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death. And I think kind of leading into our next

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little topic of how important is he personally

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to us, I found him very important in the way

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that he, just kind of what I was saying before,

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informs the way that the Jedi are. Because especially

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in Phantom, you see other Jedi, but not necessarily

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in action. doing much besides sitting in a room

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and chatting with hollows um or with or testing

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small children on their ability to see a fighter

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a cup a ship another ship so so i think yeah

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it was i think he's pretty important to me in

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terms of just what when i think of a jedi what

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i think of um yeah i agree what's really fascinating

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to me is is qui -gon uh is the harbinger of like

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the showing the cracks in the jedi order you

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have to george lucas is trying to establish like

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okay we're getting close to when the empire is

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created this Jedi regime is about to completely

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be destroyed and they've been ruling for a thousand

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generations. How do we show that they're not

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doing everything that they should be? Well, Qui

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-Gon has problems with them. Um, but also here's

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Qui -Gon as the, the arrow of where the Jedi

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should be. Right. And it's, it's, it's certainly

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where Luke goes and becomes when he, in the legends,

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uh, expanded universe, he's much more lenient

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and not as strict and a little bit more of like,

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go with the flow of the force rather than, like,

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here are these stringent things and tasks and

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ways that you have to be. But also, he is...

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He's this exemplification of being a peaceful

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warrior, as we've been saying. He is a man that...

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And he shows the impact, the disruptive impact

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of doing good, of what the Jedi are there to

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do. Because his entire time that he's walking

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around is... total disruption to everybody. It's

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disruption to the Trade Federation, disruption

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to the Gungans, it's disruption to the Naboo,

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it's disruption to Watto, it's disruption to

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the Sith's plans, it's disruption to Coruscant,

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and it's just like, it's one dude, really, for

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most of the movie. Because Obi -Wan is kind of,

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hey, we're gonna, we're gonna, we really like

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this Liam Neeson dude. Let's just have him be

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the movie for like the entire second act. Obi

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-Wan is kind of a tag -along in this film. Yeah,

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he really is. Just stay with the ship. Okay.

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The all of Tatooine. Obi -Wan is not there. No,

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no. Yeah, exactly. Sierra and I talk about this.

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He's given like one order. Don't let them send

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any transmissions. And so he then, Obi -Wan then

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says. don't send any transmissions. And they're

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immediately like, send a transmission. So he

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doesn't really do his job either. Anyways, he

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shows that disruptive power of doing good and

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what the Jedi are there for and the power that

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they have with them. And he also equals, he shows

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this great equilibrium between like having inner

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peace and also being willing to fight at a moment's

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notice. Cause it's not like he's like peace only

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ever. As soon as Maul comes over, lightsaber

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out. As soon as Maul makes another appearance,

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he's shredding his robes going, we'll handle

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this. Like, there's no even question about it.

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He will fight at a moment's notice, but he will

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also attempt to be the peaceful diplomat whenever

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possible. And I just, I find him incredibly impressive.

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Yeah, Liam Neeson actually, when he is talking

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about his character, describing the character,

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he has this quote. Where he describes Qui -Gon,

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he's almost like a monk, an old time warrior

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who is wise and quite philosophical, yet very

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skilled in martial arts. He has incredible confidence

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as well as a magical quality that enables him

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to see into the future. He's not really a rebel,

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but he has his own code, which I think speaks

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to exactly what you're talking about of being

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that disruptive influence for good. Yeah, absolutely.

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And so now we'll head. Speaking of who he is,

00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:06.759
into the who category. Moving from the when category

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to the who category. Who is Qui -Gon Jinn? What

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defines him? What makes him tick? What's likable

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and dislikable about Master Jinn? So the basics

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of Qui -Gon. A Jedi Knight. master of apprentice

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obi -wan kenobi um he was found late for a jedi

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at age five uh which does seem to be a trend

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amongst this group of masters and apprentices

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and lineage uh because obi -wan was found at

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three and anakin's found at nine so we're on

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a really good track as far as the jedi locating

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them are concerned this is this is the first

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of our major discrepancies with canon and old

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expanded universe content. Because in old expanded

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universe content, Qui -Gon is discovered as Force

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-sensitive within six months of his birth. I

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kind of like that. For all our listeners out

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there, this is the first of many discrepancies

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between old expanded universe content and new

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canon content. I like this lineage, though, of

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late fine troublemakers. Dooku, I think, is found...

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regularly but like 5 3 10 19 and then like yeah

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then we know luke in canon tries to train grogu

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who's 50 like yeah anyways go ahead yeah and

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if we're even and if we're even um including

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uh duke or another another apprentice who was

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along with uh with qui -gon we also have rail

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Who I believe was also found late. Late, yeah.

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Somewhere around five or so as well. Or maybe

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even later than that. I can't quite remember.

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We knew that he had memories of his home and

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that caused rail problems. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.960
Which is pretty interesting. But Qui -Gon's master

00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:10.559
was Count Dooku. Which is also pretty fascinating

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with that kind of, I guess, Jedi genealogy. If

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I may call it that. You may. But it's genealogy

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with a J. Exactly. Such a stupid joke. I'm sorry.

00:22:26.809 --> 00:22:31.000
Terrible joke, but I love it. During his time

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as a Jedi, Qui -Gon is generally known for his

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more rebellious nature, as you can tell from

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what we've described so far, often arguing with

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and occasionally flying in the face of council

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orders and wishes. But he does tend to do these

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because he has kind of more moral questions regarding

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decisions that are being made and doesn't want

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to take orders. without really understanding

00:23:01.269 --> 00:23:05.789
the purpose. And he is more of a deep thinker

00:23:05.789 --> 00:23:09.250
about things, which is interesting because I

00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:14.470
love that there's a little bit of a moment where

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Obi -Wan is discussing how when he was so young,

00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:21.630
he was so rebellious. And now he's this stickler

00:23:21.630 --> 00:23:24.990
for rules. And I believe it's Yoda who points

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out that, well, they... I know, it must have

00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.819
been, it might have been Rael. Qui -Gon in Master

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and Apprentice is like, oh. I thought it was

00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.819
Rael. Ah, who knows? No? Somebody. I don't know.

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One of them points out that, oh, well, in order

00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.940
for you, in order for them to get you to agree

00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:45.259
with council decisions, they had to make you

00:23:45.259 --> 00:23:47.319
rebel against your master. So they put you with

00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:50.039
a rebellious master so that in order to rebel

00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.900
against him, you'd follow the rules. Rebellion

00:23:52.900 --> 00:23:56.500
versus rebellion is a net zero rebellion. Exactly.

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Which I think is so funny. Which is pretty great.

00:24:01.420 --> 00:24:05.240
But yeah, I think it. A really interesting part

00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.980
of Qui -Gon's kind of apprenticeship is that

00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:13.660
he spent a lot of time during his training studying

00:24:13.660 --> 00:24:16.759
the ancient prophecies, which is where he gets

00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.880
all of his information about believing that Anakin

00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:23.339
is the Chosen One and there are other prophecies

00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:25.900
as well, but that being kind of the main one

00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:30.700
that we see in the films. So, you know, he believed

00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:33.190
kind of for a long time. Prophecies were more,

00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:36.650
you know, parables, potentially, not necessarily

00:24:36.650 --> 00:24:39.970
to be taken literally. But some events occur,

00:24:40.289 --> 00:24:45.089
which cause him to believe in the prophecies

00:24:45.089 --> 00:24:49.410
as more literal. Maybe not completely literal,

00:24:49.549 --> 00:24:53.820
but definitely closer to literal than... But

00:24:53.820 --> 00:24:56.759
even following prophecies in kind of a more theoretical

00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:01.059
way was pretty unusual for Jedi at the time because

00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:04.980
they'd largely forgotten about or kind of shunned

00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.960
trying to know the future because it was seen

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.059
as a way to the dark side, trying to control

00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:14.460
the future, know the future, change things, and

00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.500
have too much kind of power over things. Real

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talk. Just the more that I learn, the more that

00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:23.039
everything leads to the dark side. And it's just

00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.339
honestly shocking that there's not more Sith

00:25:25.339 --> 00:25:30.329
and Dark Jedi. It's a fair point. Because it's

00:25:30.329 --> 00:25:34.450
just, I've rewatching Phantom and Clone Wars.

00:25:34.589 --> 00:25:37.009
I feel like every other thing out of Yoda's mouth

00:25:37.009 --> 00:25:39.869
is, well, that is the way to the dark side. And

00:25:39.869 --> 00:25:42.569
I'm like, what isn't the way to the dark side?

00:25:42.730 --> 00:25:46.890
Come on, man. The Jedi art are such a metaphor

00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:50.490
for like Christianity or organized religion in

00:25:50.490 --> 00:25:52.829
some way, shape or form. And like in Christianity,

00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:55.470
you often hear like the straight and narrow and

00:25:55.470 --> 00:25:58.609
like, Gosh, the Jedi just seem to be straight

00:25:58.609 --> 00:26:01.029
and narrowing themselves into just, like, no

00:26:01.029 --> 00:26:03.130
one's a Jedi, and no one's on the light side,

00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:05.789
and everything's just darkness all the time.

00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:11.289
It's like, you know, what is it? Fear leads to

00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:13.190
hate, hate leads to pain, pain leads to suffering.

00:26:14.130 --> 00:26:16.269
There's a lot of fear and hate in the world.

00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:20.369
Those are pretty normal emotions. Fear, especially.

00:26:21.899 --> 00:26:24.900
Okay, so I'm not allowed to be fearful? Or do

00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:27.380
I have to overcome my fear? Where's my therapy

00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:30.140
to help me not get to the dark side? Because

00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:33.460
all you're telling me is abstinence from the

00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:35.960
dark side and all of these things. And I think

00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.640
that's ultimately why the Jedi fail. And that's

00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.400
Qui -Gon Jinn is like, no, you can actually interact

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.119
with all of this stuff all the time. It's how

00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.579
you choose to go about doing your life that determines

00:26:45.579 --> 00:26:48.000
light side or dark side. And they just don't.

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:53.000
They just don't like it. In the old, in the expanded

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.579
universe, the original expanded universe, he

00:26:54.579 --> 00:26:56.299
even has a romance with a fellow Jedi Knight.

00:26:56.660 --> 00:27:03.099
Yeah. Little girlfriend. So it's interesting

00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:05.319
to me from all of this stuff, like what makes

00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:07.579
Qui -Gon tick, right? And what makes Qui -Gon

00:27:07.579 --> 00:27:10.259
tick, I think, is like he has these huge moral

00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:12.660
questions about the way in which people do things.

00:27:12.819 --> 00:27:14.819
Because he's constantly thinking about how to

00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:18.059
do the most good. And that's kind of different.

00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:21.180
From what we see out of other Jedis, especially

00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:24.500
in Phantom, right? We see a lot of people like,

00:27:24.579 --> 00:27:27.559
this is the way you have to do things. And you

00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.140
must go about it by this thing. And he's not

00:27:30.140 --> 00:27:33.579
so interested about built -in rules. He's much

00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:38.180
more interested about what can be done in the

00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:40.240
current moment that will do the most good for

00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.299
everybody. Building on that, the other thing

00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:47.359
that makes him tick is his... desire to form

00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.940
relationships with other people. And this is

00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:52.519
an extension of exactly what you're talking about.

00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.559
Jyn's character, especially in the old books

00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.599
it's commented on quite frequently, that he tries

00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.720
to form relationships and help as many people

00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.880
as possible. This is what leads him to help Anakin

00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.059
in the first place, right? Sure, he's trying

00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:12.599
to get parts to fix the ship to get off of Tatooine,

00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.809
but... ultimately that kind of becomes secondary

00:28:15.809 --> 00:28:17.910
you can see that transition in his mind we're

00:28:17.910 --> 00:28:20.089
like okay that that is no longer the primary

00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:22.269
mission primary mission is helping these slaves

00:28:22.269 --> 00:28:25.650
yeah yeah totally it is a little frustrating

00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:28.630
that he didn't when trying to free two slaves

00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:31.329
with one pod didn't go all right well let's roll

00:28:31.329 --> 00:28:34.309
for if it's worth one or two all right dice roll

00:28:34.309 --> 00:28:37.650
cool now let's roll to see if i can have anakin

00:28:37.650 --> 00:28:41.759
or not like i yeah It's just like, he didn't

00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.920
think two seconds after he rolled the first dice.

00:28:43.940 --> 00:28:46.420
He's like, well, let's gamble on this again with

00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:49.380
another dice roll. Because I'm really good at

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:50.799
manipulating dice. You have to set up the Fall

00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:56.819
of Anakin. Garrett, here's a really quick question

00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:59.369
in terms of what makes Qui -Gon tick. Do you

00:28:59.369 --> 00:29:02.009
subscribe to the belief that he and Shmi definitely

00:29:02.009 --> 00:29:04.289
hooked, or I should say unnamed mother number

00:29:04.289 --> 00:29:09.009
one, hooked up in Phantom Menace? I do not, no.

00:29:09.230 --> 00:29:12.089
Okay, alright, fine. That's two against three.

00:29:12.170 --> 00:29:14.730
Sierra and I were fully into that theory. As

00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:19.609
fun a theory as it is. Anything actually happened,

00:29:19.730 --> 00:29:23.829
I just think that potentially there was interest.

00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:28.660
If they spent a lot more time on the planet,

00:29:28.779 --> 00:29:30.799
something would have happened. Okay, fine. Is

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.599
more my theory. I don't think anything actually

00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.000
did happen. Sparks were flying for Sierra. It's

00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.660
a fun ship. It's a fun ship. Yeah. Highly speculative,

00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.079
but a fun ship. Yes. As the best ships are. We

00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.359
called her unnamed mother number one the entire

00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.960
time during that film because she doesn't have

00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:56.099
a name until Attack of the Clones. Yeah. Anyways,

00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.940
fascinating here for me, Dooku's tutelage is

00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:04.640
what brings Qui -Gon to the prophecies. So, you

00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.220
know, we have Qui -Gon who, by the time we get

00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.859
to Phantom Menace, he's ready to accept that

00:30:09.859 --> 00:30:13.400
the prophecies are real, that they might be literal,

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.059
and that this boy might be the literal incarnation

00:30:16.059 --> 00:30:20.349
of the Chosen One prophecy. The reason why he's

00:30:20.349 --> 00:30:23.009
there in the first place is he runs into the

00:30:23.009 --> 00:30:25.289
prophecies and Dooku kind of takes him under

00:30:25.289 --> 00:30:28.950
his wing. And at first, Dooku is basically like,

00:30:29.109 --> 00:30:32.130
hey, no, don't go anywhere close to these. And

00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:34.190
Qui -Gon eventually realizes that it's like,

00:30:34.309 --> 00:30:37.630
okay, it's not learning about the prophecies

00:30:37.630 --> 00:30:39.950
that's the path to the dark side. It's the feeling

00:30:39.950 --> 00:30:42.529
of I want to control the future by knowing the

00:30:42.529 --> 00:30:45.259
prophecies that leads to the dark side. Which

00:30:45.259 --> 00:30:46.960
is a much more nuanced approach than we really

00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.299
see any of the council take in the movies. But

00:30:50.299 --> 00:30:53.640
then Dooku and Qui -Gon sort of get deep into

00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.539
it. And then Dooku, you see himself, has to pull

00:30:56.539 --> 00:30:59.359
himself away from him. And it's kind of all dark

00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.819
and mysterious as to why. And that's really interesting.

00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.700
And to me, you also get Qui -Gon's character.

00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.839
He understands that the dark side can exist,

00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.920
but you can still be a good person. Because in

00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.799
the Tales of a Jedi, a little short, there's

00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.539
that 13, 14 minute episode of Dooku trying to

00:31:20.539 --> 00:31:24.099
eradicate corruption. And he uses the Force choking

00:31:24.099 --> 00:31:26.759
in that scene. Now, Qui -Gon knows it's not the

00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.539
right thing. He goes and frees the sun. The sun

00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:33.400
runs out and eventually Dooku stops choking out

00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.920
the senator who's super corrupt. But you see...

00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:40.130
Dooku using methods not approved by the council

00:31:40.130 --> 00:31:42.250
in order to do the right thing, like stamp out

00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.390
corruption. And so you get a much more complex

00:31:45.390 --> 00:31:49.910
character in Jedi than, you know, Kiara Mundi

00:31:49.910 --> 00:31:56.109
being like, light side! Here we go! This is interesting.

00:31:56.670 --> 00:31:58.349
This is where I'm going to interject and say,

00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:01.390
this is all totally different in the Legends

00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:05.359
EU. Yeah. The entire relationship with... Count

00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.200
Dooku is very different. Their meeting and origin

00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.039
is very different. In Old Legends EU, Qui -Gon

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.819
is chosen by Dooku as the result of a dueling

00:32:15.819 --> 00:32:19.059
tournament between all of the apprentices at

00:32:19.059 --> 00:32:23.819
the temple. And Qui -Gon is seen as one of the

00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:26.900
strongest pupils. And Dooku chooses him because

00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:28.740
he says, I want to train the strongest pupil.

00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:33.299
It's entirely a selfish motive for Dooku. And

00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.480
their relationship... develops as one where Dooku

00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.240
is constantly trying to portray being Force -sensitive

00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.119
as a mode of strength. And he constantly chides

00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.380
Qui -Gon throughout their apprenticeship in the

00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:51.359
old EU for caring about lesser lifeforms. And

00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.119
lesser lifeforms, in Dooku's mind, means anyone

00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.500
who does not have a connection with the Force.

00:32:56.700 --> 00:33:01.599
Dooku sees being a Force user as a superiority.

00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.019
And so this is a distinct difference in their

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:07.440
philosophical styles with the Order, is that

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.359
Dooku is all about the Force as a means of power,

00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.220
which obviously leads to his eventual fall. And

00:33:15.220 --> 00:33:19.000
Qui -Gon is all about the Force as a means of

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.259
doing good. Yeah. Well, so interestingly, in

00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:29.759
now canon, so Qui -Gon goes to talk to Dooku

00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.400
and is presented as an option. For him. And Dooku

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.740
is basically questioning him. And Qui -Gon says

00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:41.859
essentially that he's not afraid. Like, I'm not

00:33:41.859 --> 00:33:45.460
afraid of you, Master Dooku. But I'm not afraid

00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.559
of becoming, of being worthy of you. And Dooku

00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.500
was like, oh, that's super wise. Most people

00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:54.380
would try and just say they're not afraid, period.

00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:58.019
And so I'll take you on because you admit that

00:33:58.019 --> 00:34:02.200
you're afraid. So it's really topsy -turvy. From,

00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:09.199
oh, best one, that one's mine. Yeah, yeah. Which

00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.559
again, I think there's something to be said about

00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:15.599
the old EU, especially old EU as it surrounds

00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.000
the prequels, right? The amount of time between

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.199
the prequels being released and the end of the

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.940
expanded universe and conversion to Disney canon.

00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.880
There wasn't a whole lot of time to really develop

00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.019
the strong sorts of character. that there was

00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:37.179
for all of the EU surrounding our original trilogy

00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:43.119
heroes. And so I think that prequel EU content

00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:47.340
is generally very simplistic. Yeah. And this

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:50.679
relationship between Qui -Gon and Dooku is no

00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:56.539
exception to that. Yeah. I prefer new canon Dooku

00:34:56.539 --> 00:35:03.849
to Legends canon Dooku. Yeah. What you've explained,

00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:07.869
Garrett, is it's so simplified. Best one, power,

00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:11.510
electricity, I'm Darkseid! Versus like, hey,

00:35:11.570 --> 00:35:13.769
I'm wrestling with the prophecy, I'm wrestling

00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:16.090
with my homeworld. I've read the Dooku book,

00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:20.190
his whole sort of shift into why he goes into,

00:35:20.349 --> 00:35:22.809
or his comics are a book or something like that.

00:35:22.849 --> 00:35:25.630
Anyways, they sort of debate as to why he's going

00:35:25.630 --> 00:35:28.980
to go back home and join. and protect his family's

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:33.239
legacy and heritage versus being in the Jedi

00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.179
way. It's just so different and so much more

00:35:35.179 --> 00:35:38.400
nuanced. But as you're saying, Disney's done

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.960
a lot less with the original Han, Luke, Leia

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.320
stuff than old EU canon did, which was basically

00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.800
all Han, Luke, Leia for a long, long, long, long,

00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.860
long time. Again, just the amount of time available

00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:55.360
for those character sets is totally different.

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.619
Totally. Yeah. So then kind of moving into what

00:35:59.619 --> 00:36:06.199
is or is not likable about Master Jin. In my

00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.400
opinion, so I think as is the case that we often

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.099
see with characters or even real life people

00:36:13.099 --> 00:36:18.320
who die young or on the younger side, we can

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:22.159
tend to see them, their life with a little bit

00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:28.119
of like a rose colored glasses view. The more

00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.300
that I learn about Qui -Gon, the more I think

00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:35.320
he just really is great and that there isn't

00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.820
a whole lot to dislike about him. Not saying

00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:41.260
he's perfect by any means or that he can do no

00:36:41.260 --> 00:36:43.860
wrong, but, you know, he's a rebel, but he's

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.320
not a rebel for the sake of rebellion. He really

00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.659
is like thinking through why he doesn't agree

00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:52.219
with something or what exactly is going on behind

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:56.480
the scenes to cause a difference of opinion.

00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.780
I really appreciate that he's someone that he

00:36:59.780 --> 00:37:03.320
doesn't just follow blindly, but he also isn't

00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.579
just trying to be contrary just to be contrary.

00:37:06.019 --> 00:37:10.639
So I think that he is just a really fascinating

00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.079
character. And from a character standpoint, even

00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.940
if I was in this world and I met him, it would

00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:21.199
be very difficult to dislike him. And I think

00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.860
we even really see that in Phantom. You know,

00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:28.039
he may rub some people the wrong way. He may

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:34.579
win some bets through fishy means. Or knock people

00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:39.039
unconscious who are freaking out. Yeah. But they

00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.739
all, none of them seem to actively dislike him

00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:46.099
afterwards. Even if they suspect they're being

00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:49.659
cheated, Watto still is like, you know, just

00:37:49.659 --> 00:37:53.489
grumble, grumble. Because he just has that quality.

00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:55.489
In all of those scenarios that you've mentioned,

00:37:55.769 --> 00:37:58.710
Jyn is operating on his highest sense of right.

00:37:58.849 --> 00:38:02.389
Yeah. Right? Exactly. In all scenarios, all the

00:38:02.389 --> 00:38:05.329
depictions we see of him, Jyn is operating, yes,

00:38:05.429 --> 00:38:08.969
as an anti -authority figure in some instances,

00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:11.809
but often it's to accomplish his highest sense

00:38:11.809 --> 00:38:15.849
of right, sort of rules be damned. And I think

00:38:15.849 --> 00:38:19.340
that makes him resonate with... because it's

00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:22.619
an anti -authority figure, but it's not, like

00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:24.079
you mentioned, it's not anti -authority for the

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.460
sake of it. It's anti -authority as a means to

00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:29.320
accomplish good. This is the kind of character

00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.920
that when people say like, oh, if we could just

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.440
like cut through red tape to affect change. whatever

00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.980
that may be. This is the perfect example of that.

00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:40.760
Qui -Gon sees a thing, he sees that it needs

00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.019
to be done, and this is the moral high ground,

00:38:43.219 --> 00:38:46.219
and he makes it happen, regardless of the strictures

00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:49.000
of either the Jedi or social rules around it.

00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.500
Absolutely. Yeah, if we were putting him on an

00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:57.480
alignment chart, he'd be chaotic good, where

00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.420
he's going to do what is right. regardless of

00:39:02.420 --> 00:39:06.019
how lawful it may or may not be whereas the jedi

00:39:06.019 --> 00:39:10.280
tend at least the council the jedi council is

00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.400
definitely more of a lawful good of this is specifically

00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.300
the laws and we are going to stay within them

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:17.840
and we are going to do good but within these

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.920
boundaries um whereas he is definitely like but

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.480
why why can't i maybe fudge something a little

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.599
bit in order to do the morally correct thing

00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:33.079
Well, and he's also like, some of your rules

00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:36.380
stand in the way of goodness and we should forsake

00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:38.659
them even though it might be risky because you're

00:39:38.659 --> 00:39:42.239
doing more harm than good by having these rules

00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.760
there. Yeah, definitely. The next thing, we've

00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.039
kind of touched on this a little bit, but it's

00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.719
the what category. As in, what extra material

00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.780
exists about Qui -Gon outside of Phantom Menace?

00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.260
We've touched on it a little bit, but... We kind

00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:02.019
of want to dive a little bit deeper and also

00:40:02.019 --> 00:40:05.860
find out what does that material do to shape

00:40:05.860 --> 00:40:10.820
our understanding of this Jedi Master. So folks

00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:13.360
who have looked further into Qui -Gon can find

00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.639
his existence earlier in the timeline. Novels

00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.980
such as Master and Apprentice, which if you have

00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:22.960
heard some of our other episodes, you've heard

00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.780
us talk about this already and how much we love

00:40:25.780 --> 00:40:28.059
it. And in this one, we've already discussed

00:40:28.059 --> 00:40:33.159
it. Seriously, you can go read it. We'll pause.

00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.079
Just pause this right now. We'll wait for you.

00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:40.460
Okay. Are you back? Did you read it? Great. Okay.

00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:43.760
Now, how great was it? It was great. It's a great

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:48.639
book. It's like one of the best expansions on

00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.440
Canada right now. It's a really, really fun book.

00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.840
Yes, we will attempt. Again, not to spoiler anything,

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.019
obviously it is pre -Phantom Menace, so there's

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.179
not too much that can be spoiled. Obi -Wan and

00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:10.059
Qui -Gon are both alive, turns out. Turns out

00:41:10.059 --> 00:41:18.150
they don't die and then somehow return. What

00:41:18.150 --> 00:41:21.070
a shot at Rise of Skywalker. Way over Garrett's

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:24.170
head. No, no, I'm just going to leave it alone.

00:41:24.550 --> 00:41:29.309
Okay. But Garrett, what other information is

00:41:29.309 --> 00:41:33.110
there? You mentioned there's not a whole ton

00:41:33.110 --> 00:41:36.710
of expanded universe just because there wasn't

00:41:36.710 --> 00:41:39.750
time to create it all, but what other information

00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:41.289
do we have out there? It's not like there isn't

00:41:41.289 --> 00:41:42.670
a whole ton. It's just that there isn't a whole

00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:45.030
ton relative to the amount of content about.

00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:49.309
The original trilogy. Fair. But for Qui -Gon

00:41:49.309 --> 00:41:52.250
Jinn, there is a significant amount of material

00:41:52.250 --> 00:41:56.789
in the old Legends EU. And this mostly serves

00:41:56.789 --> 00:41:58.650
to flesh out his character, right? Again, we're

00:41:58.650 --> 00:42:00.849
introduced to Qui -Gon in the context of Obi

00:42:00.849 --> 00:42:03.900
-Wan. As viewers are watching episode one, our

00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.139
frame of reference for this person is as Obi

00:42:06.139 --> 00:42:08.679
-Wan's master. And throughout the film, we're

00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.139
introduced to Qui -Gon. We see how he operates.

00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:12.980
We see, like you mentioned, this sort of chaotic

00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.739
good character. Sometimes we're kind of told,

00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.940
not shown, how he is viewed by the Council. There's

00:42:19.940 --> 00:42:21.519
that interaction with Obi -Wan on the balcony

00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.820
when they're on Coruscant. If you would just

00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:25.159
go along with the Council, you would already

00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.619
be a member. That's sort of telling, not necessarily

00:42:28.619 --> 00:42:30.460
showing. We know they have disagreements about

00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:33.300
Anakin, but we're sort of uncertain in the larger

00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:35.340
context of the Jedi Order, like what other things

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:37.760
is Qui -Gon doing that makes him not worthy of

00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:41.340
being on the Council. Telling them that Obi -Wan's

00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.179
ready for the trials, and they're like, we're

00:42:43.179 --> 00:42:45.719
going to make up our own mind. We can be the

00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:51.380
judge of that. Get out of here! Who are you?

00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.829
What are you, his master? In the film, We're

00:42:54.829 --> 00:42:57.570
shown this character that, as we've talked about,

00:42:57.670 --> 00:42:59.269
is quite a likable character. We all come to

00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:02.090
enjoy Qui -Gon and we appreciate what he's doing.

00:43:02.230 --> 00:43:05.829
But in terms of understanding his background,

00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:08.090
we're given nothing, right? There's no context

00:43:08.090 --> 00:43:10.170
for the background of Qui -Gon. We don't even

00:43:10.170 --> 00:43:12.170
learn that Dooku was his master until episode

00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:13.849
two. Of course, Dooku doesn't make his appearance

00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:18.590
until episode two. So for people who are looking

00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:21.429
for more information about Qui -Gon itself, the...

00:43:21.690 --> 00:43:24.889
The EU basically serves to flesh out his life

00:43:24.889 --> 00:43:28.789
up until episode one. And it goes all the way

00:43:28.789 --> 00:43:31.909
back. All the way back to his birth again. He's

00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:35.170
identified at the age of six months. He's taken

00:43:35.170 --> 00:43:38.750
a Coruscant, trained, etc. The important moments

00:43:38.750 --> 00:43:42.550
in Qui -Gon's life in the EU, he becomes very

00:43:42.550 --> 00:43:47.170
good friends with another youngling at the temple.

00:43:48.449 --> 00:43:50.659
Eventually... They are lifelong friends, eventually

00:43:50.659 --> 00:43:54.179
form a bit of a romance. He is chosen by Count

00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:57.400
Dooku for winning the Exhibition Day lightsaber

00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.619
tournament. He and Dooku have kind of a strange

00:44:00.619 --> 00:44:04.360
relationship. It's not really a sort of brotherly

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.099
relationship that we see with Obi -Wan and Anakin.

00:44:06.219 --> 00:44:10.239
It's very much a master and apprentice, a traditional

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.300
master and apprentice relationship. There's not

00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:15.239
a whole lot of overlap in terms of personal interests.

00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.239
They have very different styles about the philosophy

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.519
of the Jedi Order. He eventually does, you know,

00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.199
become a knight. We also learn about his apprentices

00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.019
before Obi -Wan, of which in the old EU there

00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:30.320
are, depending on who you ask and what time you're

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.019
talking, what point in time you're talking about,

00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:35.659
two. In most of the novels, he has one apprentice.

00:44:36.219 --> 00:44:39.639
This apprentice eventually falls. It's not quite

00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.440
a dark side fall. It's more of a forsaking the

00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.940
Jedi Order generally type of fall. But again,

00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.159
he does have a fallen apprentice. There were

00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.039
mentions of another apprentice in some ancillary

00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.559
materials, some like visual dictionary type materials.

00:44:53.900 --> 00:44:56.039
And so there was confusion amongst the fans for

00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:57.619
a while about, well, does he have one? Does he

00:44:57.619 --> 00:44:59.179
have two? We haven't heard about this other one

00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:01.320
that came before this fallen apprentice. They

00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.079
eventually had to rectify this in a comic book

00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.659
series where he does have a first apprentice

00:45:05.659 --> 00:45:08.239
that he successfully trains. The second one falls.

00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.619
It makes him feel bad about his training. He,

00:45:10.659 --> 00:45:12.940
like, believes that his first one didn't count

00:45:12.940 --> 00:45:17.400
as a result. He's down on himself. And he resolves

00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.179
not to take another apprentice, or he's not interested

00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:21.099
in taking another apprentice when he meets Obi

00:45:21.099 --> 00:45:24.920
-Wan. In the old EU, Obi -Wan is 12 years old.

00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.300
He's about to turn 13, which... In the old expanded

00:45:28.300 --> 00:45:29.980
universe, this is the age at which you kind of

00:45:29.980 --> 00:45:32.639
age out of becoming a Jedi student. Like, if

00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:34.519
you haven't found a master by the age of 13,

00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.840
you are sent off to other supplementary Jedi

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.019
orders. So, like, the Agra Corps is a great example

00:45:41.019 --> 00:45:43.019
of this, where, like, people who haven't become

00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:45.360
a Jedi Knight use their Force powers to grow

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.320
food on other planets. It's sort of like Peace

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.750
Corps -type work. And so Obi -Wan gets sent off

00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:54.630
to the Agra Corps because he hasn't found a master,

00:45:54.769 --> 00:45:56.949
and Qui -Gon Jinn happens to be sent on a mission

00:45:56.949 --> 00:45:58.989
to the same planet, and they have some overlap

00:45:58.989 --> 00:46:02.829
there. That relationship develops. It takes some

00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:05.769
time, actually, for Obi -Wan to become his student.

00:46:06.250 --> 00:46:08.849
And there's some crossing of paths along the

00:46:08.849 --> 00:46:13.639
way. His first apprentice... has a falling out

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.780
with the jedi order goes back to his own planet

00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:18.840
eventually at the same time this like relationship

00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.860
with uh this his fellow jedi knight is developing

00:46:21.860 --> 00:46:25.219
spoiler alert she ends up dying he goes into

00:46:25.219 --> 00:46:27.920
a rage there's a bit of a like conflicted period

00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.219
in qui -gon jinn's life where he's struggling

00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:34.300
with uh rage and vengeance and i think this is

00:46:34.300 --> 00:46:37.480
an important distinction for qui -gon is on the

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.099
subject we were talking about earlier of like

00:46:39.099 --> 00:46:42.699
following the jedi strictures uh This is one

00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:47.519
moment where he exacts a form of vengeance that

00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.760
is not rage. It's not pure rage. It's not the

00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.699
type of vengeance we see portrayed by Anakin

00:46:52.699 --> 00:46:55.260
in Episode 3, which is a very interesting dynamic,

00:46:55.300 --> 00:46:57.300
and it fits his character really well. It is

00:46:57.300 --> 00:47:04.679
retribution without evil intent. It is sort of,

00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.019
again, chaotic good. This is all about Qui -Gon

00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:09.440
being chaotic good. And it's interesting to see

00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.980
his character wrestle with... those types of

00:47:11.980 --> 00:47:15.000
emotions especially in this context of jinn being

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.880
sort of a rebellious jedi right yeah uh and i

00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.980
think it's it's these sort of interactions that

00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:23.960
get jinn labeled as a like a gray jedi although

00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.619
that's sort of a misnomer that can mean different

00:47:26.619 --> 00:47:30.099
things to different people uh yes again all of

00:47:30.099 --> 00:47:33.320
this all of this happens uh in this old expanded

00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.059
universe and serves to like flesh out his background

00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:41.170
prior to episode one so real quick What I most

00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:44.670
remember about this, like, fallen, dark Jedi,

00:47:44.769 --> 00:47:51.309
not a Sith thing, is they kind of take his characterization

00:47:51.309 --> 00:47:55.269
and turn that into Maul in Clone Wars Sierra.

00:47:55.849 --> 00:47:58.309
Where, like, you know how Maul's just kind of

00:47:58.309 --> 00:48:00.889
running around being like, Kenobi? It's like,

00:48:00.989 --> 00:48:04.190
Qui -Gon's apprentice is a little like that.

00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:07.369
Yeah, a little bit. Where he's just like, Jyn?

00:48:09.430 --> 00:48:13.530
he sets traps for him it's good yeah it's actually

00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:16.510
really like it's a really good comparison joker

00:48:16.510 --> 00:48:21.110
batman -esque yeah no it's well i mean so those

00:48:21.110 --> 00:48:23.949
books are are meant for like 10 12 year olds

00:48:23.949 --> 00:48:26.750
so they're they're pretty they're pretty simplistic

00:48:26.750 --> 00:48:30.389
but it is like it is like he's like you know

00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:33.659
they're like walking through the forest of some

00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:36.840
moon and the guy's just like rubbing his hands

00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.940
together waiting for them to fall into the pit

00:48:39.940 --> 00:48:42.440
of spikes essentially not really but like that's

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.679
kind of how he feels um it's a little wacky but

00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.820
it it when you when you pair into like those

00:48:48.820 --> 00:48:50.500
like what we're talking about for phantom menace

00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:53.719
when i was like yeah the the trilogy I don't

00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:56.599
have a qualm with any of the big points. If you're

00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:58.599
looking at just the big points of Qui -Gon's

00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.400
life, it's actually really fascinating what happens.

00:49:01.539 --> 00:49:03.139
I want to clear up something, Garrett, because

00:49:03.139 --> 00:49:06.139
a lot of people say, okay, Qui -Gon was married

00:49:06.139 --> 00:49:08.880
in the Legends universe. And your answer to that

00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.400
is? I may be missing something. My understanding

00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.000
is no. Yeah, same. That's my best reading, too,

00:49:16.179 --> 00:49:18.880
is that he was in a romantic relationship that

00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.219
the council disapproved of, but he was never

00:49:21.219 --> 00:49:24.340
actually formally married. That's my understanding.

00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.559
Cool. But, and so in New Canada, do you have

00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.980
him have a little bit of a romance? But I really

00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:35.400
liked this particular old canon romance because

00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.820
it was showing how the Jedi do not have to...

00:49:39.819 --> 00:49:42.739
be this one way, right? This sort of like, this

00:49:42.739 --> 00:49:44.599
is the way Mandalorian thing, where it's like,

00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.460
Jedi can never marry. Well, Qui -Gon wasn't married,

00:49:47.539 --> 00:49:50.099
but he was in a relationship in as much that

00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:52.800
that was kind of the way it was. Like, Obi -Wan,

00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:54.480
and they borrow this for Obi -Wan and Satine,

00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.880
right? Which I don't love as much for Clone Wars,

00:49:57.980 --> 00:50:00.039
because when they do it for Qui -Gon and the

00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.699
old EU, it's to sort of give you a hint of, oh

00:50:02.699 --> 00:50:05.679
man, Qui -Gon could have really helped Anakin

00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.460
with this whole Padme situation. Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:11.739
Versus when they do it with Obi -Wan and Satine,

00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.559
it's like, wait, okay. So Obi -Wan, and so they

00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.360
kind of rip away this. It's very personal to

00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:21.639
Obi -Wan in the Clone Wars. Yes. Yeah. And for

00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.579
Obi -Wan, it doesn't do the same thing, which

00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:26.500
is like, we get this notion of like Qui -Gon

00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:29.690
could have been so much better. if because of

00:50:29.690 --> 00:50:31.150
all of these things in his past that we're now

00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:33.010
learning about versus when you do it with obi

00:50:33.010 --> 00:50:34.929
-wan it's kind of like this wild revelation of

00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:37.750
like oh if only you guys had talked a little

00:50:37.750 --> 00:50:40.110
bit more like brothers like you guys weren't

00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:41.630
as close as we thought you were like what were

00:50:41.630 --> 00:50:43.650
you doing obi -wan it creates all of these different

00:50:43.650 --> 00:50:46.250
questions about how obi -wan is messed up versus

00:50:46.250 --> 00:50:48.889
the questions of why qui -gon could be great

00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:52.369
if he had managed to stay alive yeah yeah i totally

00:50:52.369 --> 00:50:55.380
agree and in qui -gon's relationship is also

00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.300
interesting because it forms as the result of

00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:01.440
a lifelong friendship, right? These are two pupils

00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:06.119
at the same age who go through their entire lives

00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.619
through the training in the Jedi Order together.

00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.480
They are very close the entire time. And that

00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.420
is, I think, interesting because it's a inter

00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:19.039
- or intra -Jedi relationship, as opposed to

00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.079
Obi -Wan and Satine, which is, you know, a Jedi

00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.340
and someone outside the Order. And so it's a

00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:30.760
very interesting take on the attachment rules,

00:51:31.059 --> 00:51:33.960
right? Because it's two people who have the same

00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.760
perspective. It's not someone trying to convince

00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.039
someone away from their teaching. It's two people

00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.579
who have been brought up the same way and have

00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:43.159
the same perspective. And so that's a unique

00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.400
play on that. And mirrors a little bit more with

00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:46.940
Padme, because Padme is much more on the side

00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:49.380
of like, no, no, no, we can't. There are all

00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:51.119
these things getting in the way of us. Versus

00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.719
Satine is like, hey, Obi, what if you just weren't

00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.659
a Jedi? Although, with Padme, it almost feels

00:51:58.659 --> 00:52:01.739
more logistically problematic than... Well, yeah,

00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:05.579
she's very layered in that regard. Where Anakin

00:52:05.579 --> 00:52:07.340
could have essentially said, like, I don't have

00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:08.900
time to take this up with the committee, and

00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:12.059
Padme would be like, I am not a committee. Wait,

00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.559
I kind of am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I really

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.559
like all this, like, EU information for current

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.079
kind of, you know, current canon, Disney canon.

00:52:23.690 --> 00:52:27.429
Whatever we want to be calling it. I think that

00:52:27.429 --> 00:52:29.769
kind of one of the more interesting relationships

00:52:29.769 --> 00:52:34.690
that we see develop in some of that content is

00:52:34.690 --> 00:52:39.769
Qui -Gon's relationship with Rael Averroes, who

00:52:39.769 --> 00:52:44.610
is another one of Dooku's apprentices prior to

00:52:44.610 --> 00:52:48.889
Qui -Gon. And he pops up kind of through Qui

00:52:48.889 --> 00:52:54.550
-Gon's training and history. to kind of fill

00:52:54.550 --> 00:52:58.550
in the gaps a little bit of where Dooku is, because

00:52:58.550 --> 00:53:01.730
Dooku is definitely more of that stoic character

00:53:01.730 --> 00:53:09.289
and very kind of more statuesque in his, this

00:53:09.289 --> 00:53:11.750
is what I'm teaching you, and this is the rules.

00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.260
very like law abiding in terms of this is what

00:53:17.260 --> 00:53:19.219
i need to teach you this is what i need to impart

00:53:19.219 --> 00:53:21.800
and this is how you should learn it because this

00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.420
is how i'm teaching um whereas rail kind of comes

00:53:25.420 --> 00:53:29.539
in at these pivotal moments uh specifically like

00:53:29.539 --> 00:53:33.699
qui -gon's first battle uh moment and and other

00:53:33.699 --> 00:53:39.460
significant times and is A little bit more the

00:53:39.460 --> 00:53:43.400
rogue figure to come in and give a little bit

00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:48.039
more. Yes, it's okay to feel terrified right

00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:50.179
now. You're about to go into your first battle.

00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.460
You should feel terrified, but we're going to

00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:55.500
make it through. And this is how you do that

00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:58.940
and work more on the emotional side of things.

00:53:59.380 --> 00:54:05.050
And they have a very interesting kind of. back

00:54:05.050 --> 00:54:08.289
and forth uh and he's almost kind of like a little

00:54:08.289 --> 00:54:13.670
bit of a a second minor mentor to Qui -Gon which

00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:17.530
is a pretty interesting which is pretty interesting

00:54:17.530 --> 00:54:20.789
and we also see Rael interact with Obi -Wan a

00:54:20.789 --> 00:54:24.409
little bit as well which is also Very interesting,

00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:26.849
because by the point that we see that interaction,

00:54:27.289 --> 00:54:29.869
Obi -Wan is definitely on the side of, we follow

00:54:29.869 --> 00:54:33.469
all the rules the council has stated. As perfectly

00:54:33.469 --> 00:54:35.929
as possible. But Rael is going off and having

00:54:35.929 --> 00:54:39.730
relationships and doing what he wants and wearing

00:54:39.730 --> 00:54:44.630
non -appropriate attire and doing his own thing.

00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:46.730
One of the most interesting things about Rael,

00:54:46.829 --> 00:54:49.489
Garrett, is that early on, they're like, hey,

00:54:49.530 --> 00:54:52.769
are you having relations with people? And he's

00:54:52.769 --> 00:54:55.980
like, the the jedi forbid me from having attachments

00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:59.260
and it's just kind of like wow that is not what

00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:08.539
they mean my dude he is is not following uh the

00:55:08.539 --> 00:55:11.059
intent of the law he's following it to the letter

00:55:11.059 --> 00:55:14.949
yeah for real um All right, so we're going to

00:55:14.949 --> 00:55:17.170
move now into the how category, and we've talked

00:55:17.170 --> 00:55:18.550
a lot about this already, so we're going to limit

00:55:18.550 --> 00:55:21.030
the scope a little bit. But how does this extra

00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.989
material, this Legends mainly, because there's

00:55:23.989 --> 00:55:26.969
so little current sort of extra canon from Disney,

00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:29.570
how does the Legends change our perspective of

00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:32.010
this character, specifically around Obi -Wan

00:55:32.010 --> 00:55:35.130
and Qui -Gon's relationship? I think this is

00:55:35.130 --> 00:55:38.869
true of both the old Legends EU and the canon

00:55:38.869 --> 00:55:42.409
EU. The films... give us this character that

00:55:42.409 --> 00:55:44.849
I think we all want more of. We're presented

00:55:44.849 --> 00:55:47.429
with this character and everyone is left. Again,

00:55:47.489 --> 00:55:49.710
he dies at the end of the film. He's just gone.

00:55:49.750 --> 00:55:52.230
We're not going to see him again in film. And

00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:54.510
so we are all left with this feeling of, I want

00:55:54.510 --> 00:55:59.289
more of this character. The expanded content,

00:55:59.590 --> 00:56:03.889
whichever EU is your preference, they all serve

00:56:03.889 --> 00:56:07.119
to... give us more of that Qui -Gon Jinn that

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.340
we all want. And a lot of it is foundational

00:56:10.340 --> 00:56:13.079
and historical, right? Origin, story, that sort

00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.719
of thing. Prior apprentices, whatever you prefer.

00:56:17.659 --> 00:56:20.619
But fundamentally, what all of this EU content

00:56:20.619 --> 00:56:25.739
gives us is more of this roguish Jedi that we

00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:28.199
all kind of agree with and we don't know why.

00:56:28.619 --> 00:56:31.219
We're all sort of drawn to him. We all want him.

00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:32.940
We're all cheering for him. We all agree with

00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:37.380
his decisions, even though there are Jedi rules

00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:40.159
about all of these things. And we're all kind

00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.239
of okay with him breaking them. I think that

00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.199
gives us more of those moments of like, yes,

00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.579
I feel rebellious myself in supporting this person.

00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:56.849
Absolutely. Well stated. Um, also really quickly,

00:56:56.909 --> 00:56:59.429
this is, this is sort of irrelevant, but when

00:56:59.429 --> 00:57:01.250
we're, when we were talking about relationships,

00:57:01.610 --> 00:57:04.190
uh, there's a really interesting quote about,

00:57:04.389 --> 00:57:08.170
uh, that Jin is talking to Kenobi because Jin

00:57:08.170 --> 00:57:10.869
had this relationship in the old EU and in the

00:57:10.869 --> 00:57:12.809
old EU Kenobi has some girlfriends or whatever.

00:57:13.739 --> 00:57:16.960
And Jyn talks about attachment and the Jedi Order.

00:57:17.300 --> 00:57:20.119
And he specifically says, I didn't get a chance

00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.179
to examine my decision to see the pitfalls and

00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:23.980
its faults. I do not know what would have happened

00:57:23.980 --> 00:57:26.079
if Tal had lived. We might have decided to put

00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:27.760
our great love aside. We might have left the

00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:29.860
Jedi Order. I do not know. I will never know.

00:57:29.980 --> 00:57:31.800
And I live with the heartbreak of losing her.

00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.300
But I am living, Obi -Wan. I continue to walk

00:57:34.300 --> 00:57:39.159
the Jedi path. What I'm saying to you is that...

00:57:39.469 --> 00:57:41.789
Once in a great while, we have a chance to look

00:57:41.789 --> 00:57:43.349
at ourselves and make a choice that will define

00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:45.949
us. You have that choice. It is ahead of you.

00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:48.590
Do not make it in haste. Use your head as well

00:57:48.590 --> 00:57:50.309
as your heart. Remember that you've chosen a

00:57:50.309 --> 00:57:52.949
life that includes personal sacrifice. This is

00:57:52.949 --> 00:57:55.610
the greatest sacrifice you can give. Which is

00:57:55.610 --> 00:57:58.690
a really interesting take on that relationship

00:57:58.690 --> 00:58:03.730
aspect, right? Like, that is a classic Qui -Gon

00:58:03.730 --> 00:58:07.329
Jinn pearl of wisdom. Yeah. Yeah. Really good.

00:58:07.409 --> 00:58:11.550
That is for sure. Wow. I got chills listening

00:58:11.550 --> 00:58:15.090
to that one. That was, wow. That was really great.

00:58:16.170 --> 00:58:20.510
So now we're going to go into our where category

00:58:20.510 --> 00:58:25.889
part one, which is where on a scale from Zyston

00:58:25.889 --> 00:58:29.489
to Death Star, does Qui -Gon Jinn fit into the

00:58:29.489 --> 00:58:34.329
fandom of Star Wars? Where does he rank in importance?

00:58:35.630 --> 00:58:37.150
Sam, do you want to give us a little info on

00:58:37.150 --> 00:58:40.670
this? I made a very arbitrary list because I

00:58:40.670 --> 00:58:43.869
love arbitrary list games on podcasts. So I'm

00:58:43.869 --> 00:58:47.110
going to walk us through this. And we'll clip

00:58:47.110 --> 00:58:49.050
this for social media as well. And we'll put

00:58:49.050 --> 00:58:50.889
it on on a pinned thing so that everybody can

00:58:50.889 --> 00:58:52.829
go back and listen to it when we're in our Star

00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:57.090
Wars season. So we have a list of super arbitrary

00:58:57.090 --> 00:59:02.409
ship starship categories from Star Wars. And

00:59:02.409 --> 00:59:05.090
I will start at the top, you know, like most

00:59:05.090 --> 00:59:07.429
important, going down to the bottom and explain

00:59:07.429 --> 00:59:10.170
why each one is called that. So the very top

00:59:10.170 --> 00:59:14.269
one, you know, single best category of importance,

00:59:14.489 --> 00:59:18.269
Death Star category. It's powerful and it's iconic.

00:59:18.469 --> 00:59:21.050
And now when I'm talking about powerful, I don't

00:59:21.050 --> 00:59:23.610
mean like strength wise. I mean powerful to the

00:59:23.610 --> 00:59:25.929
story. Are they doing a lot of heavy lifting

00:59:25.929 --> 00:59:28.630
for the overall Star Wars story that we're trying

00:59:28.630 --> 00:59:33.949
to tell? So, a comp. For this. Would be Luketh

00:59:33.949 --> 00:59:38.409
Skywalkereth. Which really needs no further explanation.

00:59:38.690 --> 00:59:40.670
You could put Han. You could put Vader. You could

00:59:40.670 --> 00:59:45.469
put Anakin. You could put, you know, Leia. Anybody.

00:59:45.889 --> 00:59:48.429
Rey. You know, they are powerful. They're iconic.

00:59:49.250 --> 00:59:51.550
They're there. Right? Okay, so that's top tier.

00:59:51.670 --> 00:59:54.190
Second tier down. Millennium Falcon. Iconic.

00:59:54.389 --> 00:59:57.769
Okay? Iconic characters that are, you know, still

00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:00.369
powerful, but maybe not as... Powerful to the

01:00:00.369 --> 01:00:04.170
story. So somebody like Mace Windu, right? Or

01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:08.789
I struggled with even Chewbacca a little bit

01:00:08.789 --> 01:00:12.550
in here. You could argue he's Millennium Falcon

01:00:12.550 --> 01:00:14.769
or you could argue he's Death Star. But Mace

01:00:14.769 --> 01:00:16.769
is kind of who I've got running in that Millennium

01:00:16.769 --> 01:00:20.769
Falcon territory. Then we've got the Executor,

01:00:20.889 --> 01:00:23.250
which is the super class Star Destroyer. That's

01:00:23.250 --> 01:00:26.449
Vader's ship, which is like way bigger than a

01:00:26.449 --> 01:00:30.039
normal. Star Destroyer this is like powerful

01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.460
to the story but not nearly as iconic so not

01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:36.980
as known by a layman right almost everybody knows

01:00:36.980 --> 01:00:40.159
Mace Windu if you've encountered Star Wars everybody

01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.139
knows Luke Skywalker even if you haven't encountered

01:00:42.139 --> 01:00:44.880
Star Wars so this is where I have Ahsoka who

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.239
like is starting to move more into the Millennium

01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.099
Falcon character, especially because now she's

01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:52.320
got her own show. But I think if you're talking

01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.460
to still layman Star Wars fans, they're not necessarily

01:00:55.460 --> 01:00:58.199
going to know who Ahsoka is. They probably know

01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.340
Mace before they know Ahsoka, if you're just

01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:03.920
movie watching. So that's where I've got that

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.860
for our third tier. Our fourth tier is the Fett's

01:01:06.860 --> 01:01:10.000
Firespray ship, since we've moved away from calling

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.469
it Slave 1. This tier is for the huge group of

01:01:14.469 --> 01:01:17.010
fandom love. So, right, it's involved in the

01:01:17.010 --> 01:01:19.349
fandom in some way, shape, or form. Really beloved

01:01:19.349 --> 01:01:22.190
within this fandom. I've got Din Djarin, who

01:01:22.190 --> 01:01:25.110
is the Mandalorian. You could also put Grogu

01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:27.349
in here, who's not necessarily central to the

01:01:27.349 --> 01:01:31.590
overall Star Wars story, like Luke is. And is

01:01:31.590 --> 01:01:34.820
just below Mason Ahsoka in terms of... tiers

01:01:34.820 --> 01:01:37.659
of characters now anybody can argue with me about

01:01:37.659 --> 01:01:40.099
this that's fine but this is the list that we're

01:01:40.099 --> 01:01:43.139
going with so get used to it um sort of into

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:46.139
going into this next tier the fifth tier we've

01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:48.159
got the mon calamari cruiser this is something

01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.500
again uh layman might not know but it does have

01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:53.900
an impact and is largely powerful to the story

01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:59.139
um but you know maybe not as super beloved By

01:01:59.139 --> 01:02:02.119
all fandom, doesn't have a huge following, is

01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.320
largely not known, but within a subset would

01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.000
be known. That's Mara Jade for me, is the comp

01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.900
for that character. Then we move into our wing

01:02:10.900 --> 01:02:14.460
series. So the X -Wing, small, iconic, impactful.

01:02:14.780 --> 01:02:18.699
That would be like Babu Freak or K2SO. The A

01:02:18.699 --> 01:02:24.579
-Wing, beloved but unknown. That's R5 -D4. Who,

01:02:24.579 --> 01:02:26.820
Sierra, I'm not even sure you know that one.

01:02:26.860 --> 01:02:29.280
Do you know who R5 -D4 is? No. Very quickly.

01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:33.659
I don't think so. R5 -D4 is very famous. He blows

01:02:33.659 --> 01:02:36.119
his, what's it, Garrett? What does he blow in

01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.780
episode four? He's got a bad motivator. Oh, he's

01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:42.239
the red. Now, it turns out, Sierra, there was

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.920
a whole comic in Legends. No, now I know. Force

01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.239
using droid, okay? Which doesn't make any sense

01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:50.860
because he's got no midichlorians or blood in

01:02:50.860 --> 01:02:56.360
him, unless. Oh, God. The ramifications of that

01:02:56.360 --> 01:03:00.400
one. R5 -D4. Now, below that is Y -Wing, the

01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.059
utilitarian character. And I've got Malakili,

01:03:03.260 --> 01:03:05.800
who, Garrett, I'm testing your knowledge here.

01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:10.699
Who is Malakili? I don't know. Drawing a blank.

01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.719
Okay, Sierra? I have to go back and read. No

01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.940
idea. I knew the character, but I didn't know

01:03:16.940 --> 01:03:20.199
his name. This is the man who immediately starts

01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:22.500
weeping after Luke kills the Rancor in Episode

01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:26.679
6. Oh. The animal caretaker. He's the Rancor

01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:30.079
caretaker. Yeah, yeah. So, utilitarian, right?

01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:34.179
Like, we know exactly why he's there. And that's

01:03:34.179 --> 01:03:38.940
the only purpose that he really serves. I've

01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:41.619
got the Naboo Starfighter, which is a pretty

01:03:41.619 --> 01:03:44.639
character, but... Not much else, which is where

01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:49.480
I have Hondo Onaka, who is like well -beloved,

01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.940
but kind of meaningless if you really think about

01:03:52.940 --> 01:03:56.039
where he sits in Star Wars universe. This enterprise

01:03:56.039 --> 01:04:02.809
is no longer profitable. And you guys can fight

01:04:02.809 --> 01:04:06.250
me about if Malakili should be above Hondo and

01:04:06.250 --> 01:04:09.449
Naka or not, but whatever. It's my list. Then

01:04:09.449 --> 01:04:14.010
we've got the droid Tri -Fighter, which, as Garrett

01:04:14.010 --> 01:04:16.230
and I say all the time to each other, it says

01:04:16.230 --> 01:04:19.909
uh -oh in space. Like, this is the type of character

01:04:19.909 --> 01:04:23.030
that people try and pretend doesn't exist, but

01:04:23.030 --> 01:04:25.769
they do know exists. So this is like a Jar Jar

01:04:25.769 --> 01:04:30.420
Binks. Yeah? And then lastly, I've got the Zeist

01:04:30.420 --> 01:04:32.860
and Class Star Destroyers. This is the no one

01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:37.860
cares category. The who category. Which for a

01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:40.659
character comp, I have Lobot for. All right.

01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.619
So, Sierra, do you know who Lobot is? Okay, Garrett,

01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.659
I'm pretty sure you know who Lobot is. He's one

01:04:46.659 --> 01:04:49.940
of the Bounty Hunter droids. Oh, no, he is not.

01:04:50.619 --> 01:04:55.789
Oh, no. He's the cyborg in Bespin. With the implant

01:04:55.789 --> 01:04:59.349
in the back of his head. He's got a crazy backstory.

01:04:59.670 --> 01:05:02.550
He was like a major slaver and he did all this

01:05:02.550 --> 01:05:05.050
terrible stuff. And then they basically like

01:05:05.050 --> 01:05:07.730
drug him out and cyborg implant him. But at the

01:05:07.730 --> 01:05:09.190
very end of the day, everyone's kind of like,

01:05:09.210 --> 01:05:11.969
who? Why does he matter? And that's what we've

01:05:11.969 --> 01:05:16.429
got. So with that being said, for Qui -Gon Jinn,

01:05:16.469 --> 01:05:19.820
I'm going with Millennium Falcon Territory. He's

01:05:19.820 --> 01:05:22.500
super iconic, but ultimately not a heavy lifting

01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:25.699
character like Obi, Annie, Luke, Leia, Han, etc.

01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.619
Let me just say this is a wild tier list, by

01:05:29.619 --> 01:05:33.739
the way. This is crazy. It should be. I have

01:05:33.739 --> 01:05:43.199
many issues with it. Well, that's too bad. Well,

01:05:43.219 --> 01:05:48.260
that's too bad. I think Qui -Gon has to end up.

01:05:48.699 --> 01:05:53.119
high on this list only because he is a primary

01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.800
film character. The later on in the list you

01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.239
went, the more you got into ancillary characters

01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:03.119
and secondary characters. Qui -Gon, because of

01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:07.460
his prominent role in a major film, has to end

01:06:07.460 --> 01:06:09.900
up high on the list. So I don't think he can

01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:12.619
be anywhere less than third or fourth tier. Yeah,

01:06:12.699 --> 01:06:16.670
I agree with that. I have him in Millennium Falcon.

01:06:16.809 --> 01:06:19.210
It's just the second tier. What was after Falcon?

01:06:19.590 --> 01:06:22.289
We've got the Executor, powerful but not as iconic.

01:06:22.409 --> 01:06:24.550
That's Ahsoka. And then the Fett's Fire Spray

01:06:24.550 --> 01:06:26.869
Ship, which is a huge fandom love and involved

01:06:26.869 --> 01:06:29.369
in the fandom, but ultimately not as big of a

01:06:29.369 --> 01:06:32.789
deal. No, no. He's more important than both of

01:06:32.789 --> 01:06:34.809
those. I think he's, yeah. I think he's in the

01:06:34.809 --> 01:06:36.030
Millennium Falcon. And it's one of the reasons

01:06:36.030 --> 01:06:40.670
he's in one of the biggest what -ifs about Star

01:06:40.670 --> 01:06:42.639
Wars, period. Which is one of the reasons why

01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:44.760
I think he's Millennium Falcon is like, because

01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:49.300
that what if of Qui -Gon instead of Obi is huge.

01:06:49.579 --> 01:06:54.039
Sierra, what about you? Yeah, I agree. He is

01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.860
definitely in the Millennium Falcon category.

01:06:57.780 --> 01:07:02.519
He's too important not to include, but because

01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:06.579
he dies, he doesn't make it into the top tier.

01:07:07.219 --> 01:07:10.900
because he's just not around enough to make that

01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:14.559
happen. But he's way too iconic to not be up

01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.480
there. Which is a shame because I would watch

01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.119
more Liam Neeson content all day, every day.

01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:23.760
I mean, I would watch. Like I said to Sierra,

01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:25.760
I'm very excited for you to watch Obi -Wan, the

01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:29.639
show, finally. So with that, we're going to move

01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:31.699
into the where category part two. Where does

01:07:31.699 --> 01:07:34.179
Star Wars fandom go with Qui -Gon now? Which

01:07:34.179 --> 01:07:39.480
I think is a very quick. They can only go backwards.

01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:46.000
I hope they only go backwards. No. Somehow, he

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:50.099
survived. No, I, oh gosh. And now I'm all the

01:07:50.099 --> 01:07:55.739
Jedi and you're all the Sith. And it's just terrible.

01:07:55.940 --> 01:08:01.250
Okay, so. Yeah, I think they can only go back

01:08:01.250 --> 01:08:05.449
like the old EU did, like the Legends did. Unless

01:08:05.449 --> 01:08:08.070
they're going to make his path to return from

01:08:08.070 --> 01:08:09.989
the Netherworld like a story where you can, like,

01:08:10.010 --> 01:08:12.510
sort of like they do in Rebels. This means nothing

01:08:12.510 --> 01:08:15.469
to either of you right now. But for the listeners,

01:08:15.630 --> 01:08:17.890
there's an episode called The World Between Worlds,

01:08:18.010 --> 01:08:21.649
and unless he makes an appearance there, I think

01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:24.750
we're just backfilling. Which is my hope. I really

01:08:24.750 --> 01:08:28.380
cannot stand... that death doesn't mean anything.

01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.960
So, like, the MCU is, like, bonkers to me at

01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:36.199
points. And so I, like, we started to sort it

01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:38.779
out with cloning for Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker,

01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:41.800
but, like, I don't like that he's dead, but he

01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.939
needs to stay dead for me. Yeah, I agree. Force

01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:48.420
ghost stuff is totally fine. Totally fine with

01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:55.000
that. Yeah. Yeah, don't go pulling a mole. Aww.

01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:02.579
That's my exception. As great as that character

01:09:02.579 --> 01:09:06.960
turned out, I think that's why he's my exception.

01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:08.979
The fact that it happened to begin with is just...

01:09:08.979 --> 01:09:11.979
Anyway, don't pull that with Qui -Gon. The initial

01:09:11.979 --> 01:09:16.279
sort of jump into that was rough, certainly.

01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.260
When we got to season seven and he has that iconic

01:09:19.260 --> 01:09:21.899
scene with Ahsoka, I was like totally bought

01:09:21.899 --> 01:09:24.300
in. And the fact that it was originally a George

01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:26.100
Lucas idea where he was like, no, he's going

01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:28.920
to be the major villain of the sequel trilogy.

01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:31.479
I'm like, okay, I can get down with, but I still,

01:09:31.539 --> 01:09:34.600
to Garrett's point, I don't like it. In half.

01:09:34.899 --> 01:09:38.859
In half. Cut in half. But his anger kept him

01:09:38.859 --> 01:09:42.659
alive. Oh, give me a break. It's fine. I love

01:09:42.659 --> 01:09:46.380
Sam Witwicky, so I'm grateful that he's there.

01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:51.130
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, no, so I think for Qui -Gon,

01:09:51.229 --> 01:09:55.270
specifically, I just want to see him as apprentice

01:09:55.270 --> 01:10:00.609
to Dooku. I just, I think filling in that relationship

01:10:00.609 --> 01:10:06.590
would be fascinating. So that's the section specifically

01:10:06.590 --> 01:10:10.689
that I would want more about with him. Which

01:10:10.689 --> 01:10:12.829
that Tale of the Jedi episode is just like, oh

01:10:12.829 --> 01:10:16.029
my gosh, give me more. So good. Seriously, no,

01:10:16.189 --> 01:10:19.140
I... I watched it and I immediately was like,

01:10:19.220 --> 01:10:23.880
but is there another one? I was like, there's

01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:25.720
another Dooku episode, but I don't think Qui

01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:31.779
-Gon's in this one. No! Yeah. If you have 12

01:10:31.779 --> 01:10:35.279
minutes to spare, Tales of the Jedi, Episode

01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.920
3, Justice. So powerful. There's so much packed

01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.640
into those 12 minutes. There's a lot to unpack,

01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.300
certainly. There's really not a lot of dialogue.

01:10:45.789 --> 01:10:48.350
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