Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast
that covers everything you love and more. I'm
Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. And today
we're going into one of our lore galore episodes,
which means that we're bringing in an expert
to go over this character that we are deeping,
diving into the galore of their lore. And to
do that, we will be giving a big giant welcome
shmalkum to our expert on today's episode. One
Mr. Garrett Kenneth Fielding. Social security
number 341 -87 -3442. Lives on Sepulveda Boulevard
in Los Angeles. Yeah, welcome. That's someone's
actual security number, you know. I know. Someone,
somewhere. Someone, somewhere. Welcome. Hello.
How are you? Thank you for having me. Glad to
be on. Thank you for coming. So, okay, so this
is your first time. On a Star Wars thing, which
means we've got to introduce you properly to
everybody. So how did you come to know and love
the Star Wars fandom that we're covering today?
That's an interesting question. I have no memory
of my first Star Wars exposure. Star Wars has
been a fixture in my life for as long as I can
remember. It must have been somewhere around
four or five or six years old. We had the VHS
tapes growing up and it was just a fixture in
the household. Alright. This is why we have him,
everybody. So, he was born into it. Much like
Bane was born in the darkness, I was born in
Star Wars. But we didn't buy it. I was born into
Star Wars. We merely adopted it later on. We're
going to need subtitles for an audio for that
last one. I mean, we needed subtitles for that
entire movie. Okay, so what is your favorite
movie, TV show, comic book of the Star Wars fandom?
Favorite film forever has been Episode VI. Respect
and admiration for episode five has matured a
lot as I've gotten older. And episode five is
critically a masterpiece. But I cannot get over
the childhood love for episode six that I have
as the triumphant finale. It also has the best
space battles, in my opinion. However, in my
adult life, that is being competed with by Rogue
One. Yeah. We just rewatched it, my wife and
I. And at the very end of it, she goes. Yeah,
that's my favorite Star Wars movie. And I was
like, I do not blame you. It's so good. It's
really good. Really good. Sierra's a big hater.
It's her least favorite one. It is not. It is
not. I like it a lot. It will never be my husband's
favorite, though, because he needs lightsabers.
Okay, fair. It's not a lightsaber one. Having
known you for a long time, Garrett, since Sierra
and I both have known you since college, I thought
you were breaking news today, because in the
document, you Roman numeraled incorrectly. You
have episode four slash R1, and I was like, Garrett
changed from Return of the Jedi? That's crazy!
I have been trying for years for you to do that.
Apologies, apologies. There, I just changed it
back. Okay, great. Let the record show that in
the documents we can always find in the previous
versions that you once put episode four. That
is fantastic. What about, do you have any favorite
TV shows, comic books, books? Books, I am a huge
fan of expanded Star Wars literature, especially
the old EU. The Thrawn trilogy, that's to be
my favorite. It is the, in my opinion, the foundation
to all of the expanded literature. I know it
wasn't the first. Uh, but I think it was the
most important, uh, in, in the old EU. Uh, when
people ask me, where do I start with Star Wars
books? I always tell them the Thrawn trilogy.
That's just, it has to be raised. When, when,
uh, episode seven was announced, but we knew
nothing about it. And everybody was speculating
that it was going to be the Thrawn trilogy, even
though that only takes place like five years
after, uh, Return of the Jedi. Garrett was like,
no, no, they shouldn't do that unless they're
going to do a page for page remake, where it's
just what you read on page one. Yep. And then
it's exactly what happens on page two. And then
exactly. And those books are like, I don't know,
300, 400 pages each. And it is conventional knowledge
that one page equals one minute of screen time
for a script. So for prose, it's that dense.
We're talking about like. You know, 1 ,200 minutes
of movie making. Make it a TV show. That's fine.
I would have accepted TV media. It was one of
Garrett's worst days ever when I pointed out
to him that the first Thrawn book does refer
to the old Clone Wars. Before Clone Wars was
a thing when the Clone Wars was originally the
Sith cloned all the Jedi and then they had to
all fight each other, which was Lucas's first
like Clone Wars thing. And so I was like, well,
you'd have to change that. And Gary's like, nope.
Don't worry about it. Okay. Last question here
of the following. Would you rather be a military
pilot or rogue smuggler? A Jedi, a Sith, or a
moisture farmer on Tatooine that could be eaten
by any of Jabba's rancors at any point? This
is an interesting question, and it kind of depends
on how I'm feeling on any given day. Also, what
books I've been reading most recently. For today,
I'm going to go with Military Pilot. If anyone
is looking for more old EU recommendations, the
Rogue Squadron series is phenomenal, especially
if you're into... aviation and aerial combat
it's a great read uh so i'm gonna go with military
pilot for this one it's very wedge and tilly's
heavy it's great which really fleshes out his
character played played by ewan mcgregor's uncle
as it turns out always a fun fact well welcome
garrett is a fun fact to be honest There's a
delightful fact. I really enjoyed that one. Isn't
it great? This may sound sarcastic. I'm positively
chuffed by this little tidbit. Did you not know
that? I did not know that. Oh, that's great.
Follow -up fact to that is that he told Ewan
McGregor not to take the role. Yeah. That's also
delightful. It's great. But then he shows up
in Rise of Skywalker, so it's all good. It's
all fine. There you go. For today's episode,
we are not going to be discussing Ewan McGregor.
However, closely related, we will be playfully
pontificating about everyone's favorite Irish
Jedi, Qui -Gon Jinn. Yes, Qui -Gon Jinn. And
without further ado, as Roger Smith says, we
shall dive on in. So the first thing we want
to establish is just when are... viewers in general
introduced to Qui -Gon Jinn and how do most of
our Schmisseners mainly know him? If you are
introduced to, you know, the Star Wars series
at all, chances are you came across him first
and potentially lastly in Phantom Menace. I'm
so excited for you to watch it, Obi -Wan. Liam
Neeson. Liam Neeson. He is Liam Neeson. Yeah.
So we pick him up in 1999 in Phantom as the Jedi
with the green lightsaber. That seems super cool.
Heck yeah. So that's, you know, that's kind of
when we first come across him, a lot of people
probably didn't think they'd see him again after
that. But what are kind of like our initial impressions
when we first came across this Jedi? What do
we think? For viewers in episode one, the importance
of Qui -Gon is a relationship to Obi -Wan, right?
Obi -Wan is the character that we are all familiar
with if we've seen previous films. So for viewers
who are seeing episode one with prior knowledge
of the original three films. Qui -Gon's importance
is only a function of his relationship to Obi
-Wan. So his role as Obi -Wan's master establishes
a degree of importance for us. It's not necessarily
Qui -Gon himself immediately anyway. It's just
his relationship to Obi -Wan. I feel like it
takes maybe like 10 -15 minutes into the first
act of the movie before you're like... The importance
is now the character rather than just his relationship.
Because, you know, we get the scenes early on
with him, you know, dispelling information and
wisdom to his apprentice, Obi -Wan. And then
we see him doing these force moves in that awesome
scene where he strikes the saber into the doors
before the droidekas show up. And then, you know,
they get down on the planet. He talks to Jar
Jar. He gets them to go to the city. But by the
time we get to... Him dispelling wisdom to who
we think is the queen saying, hey, we got to
go. Here's the things that we got to do. And
hey, do you want her in the clutches of the huts?
I think at that point when he's starting to make
those decisions, we've seen how important he
is just as a character. Well, he's established
as an authority figure quite early on. Super
early. In the very first scene with he and Obi
-Wan. uh in the room waiting for the nemoide
delegation uh he is immediately an authority
figure to obi -wan he is telling obi -wan like
stop focusing on anything that's not here and
now in the moment right uh and throughout the
earliest i have a bad feeling yes yes uh throughout
the entire introductory sequence he's established
as what i will consider a badass right like not
only is he This authority figure to Obi -Wan,
he's very much an authority mentor figure, but
he's also got this very warrior monk streak going
with the combat that happens on that initial
trade federation ship. So his warrior monk figure
is established very early on. The hair set up,
the makeup, the way that the robes flow, that
moment of peace and tranquility that he has that
John Williams plays up before he stabs into the
door. All of that really justifies what his character
is going to be later on. I think for me, my initial
impressions about him coming out of that movie
were like, he's, I want this man to be my dad.
Like, he seems so caring and insightful and peaceful,
you know? uh and that really struck home with
me he he seems and we talk about this a little
bit in our phantom pod he seems like the guy
that anakin should have at the end right he's
the dad that anakin needs not the brother that
he's going to get um and so my initial impressions
were like wow what an awesome character what
a horrible Death. Like, there's two people that
really stick out to me from childhood that I
was, like, really affected by their deaths in
literature, in some way, shape, or form, or in
film. And it was Liam Neeson's Obi -Wan and Sirius
Black. Both these father figures that were...
Yeah, Qui -Gon, of course. Not Liam Neeson himself,
who's still alive and kicking as of this recording.
Well, you said Obi -Wan. Oh, well, aren't I a
fool? Qui -Gon! So... Yeah, Qui -Gon and Sirius
Black were the two that I was like, oh, no, because
of what it means for the future versus, you know,
when Obi -Wan dies in episode four, it's kind
of like, oh, the old mentor has sacrificing himself
to move forward versus this is like Qui -Gon's
not sacrificing. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. The other
important thing that his character establishes
for viewers of this film for the first time is.
Keep in mind, this is the first time that we're
seeing the Jedi Order as it existed before the
Empire. This is the first time that we are seeing
Jedi operating in the way that they did for thousands
of years before the rise of the Empire. So the
relationship between Qui -Gon and Obi -Wan, and
Qui -Gon especially as the authority figure in
the situation, sets the tone for what the Jedi
Order is supposed to be. Because all we had had
prior to this is descriptions of it from Obi
-Wan as sort of this loosely organized religious
slash paramilitary organization. But this is
our first portrayal of this is what the Jedi
are supposed to be. Yeah, no, absolutely. Sierra,
what were your first impressions? My first impressions?
Yeah, it was a lot of just very... Like, he's
just the way that he's portrayed is so impactful
in the way that he has the calm and composure
that you'd kind of anticipate. And yet also that
strength in battle, which I think definitely
as you're being introduced to the Jedi kind of
in their true form, I'd say he's just such a
great example of kind of what a Jedi. Should
be from kind of at this point, you know, when
the film started, almost like Jedi of lore, essentially.
And so he's a very good example of kind of like
what you would have hoped the Jedi would be.
And, you know, I think for me personally, that
was very impactful. And then also just, yeah,
his his death just. I think, really shocking.
I remember being surprised by it. I definitely
did not see it coming. It is surprising. Especially
since we were seven -ish at the time. And, you
know, I think trying to remember if I ended up
watching it a little bit late because some of
my first memories of Phantom Menace are with
my brother and he... He wasn't around until a
couple of years after that. Um, but I, I know
that we would fight over who was Qui -Gon when
we would do fake lightsaber battles. So, um,
that, that kind of explains it a little bit,
I would say. So that was, um, yeah, kind of my
initial impression is just like, wow, he is so
cool and just really upset definitely by his
death. And I think kind of leading into our next
little topic of how important is he personally
to us, I found him very important in the way
that he, just kind of what I was saying before,
informs the way that the Jedi are. Because especially
in Phantom, you see other Jedi, but not necessarily
in action. doing much besides sitting in a room
and chatting with hollows um or with or testing
small children on their ability to see a fighter
a cup a ship another ship so so i think yeah
it was i think he's pretty important to me in
terms of just what when i think of a jedi what
i think of um yeah i agree what's really fascinating
to me is is qui -gon uh is the harbinger of like
the showing the cracks in the jedi order you
have to george lucas is trying to establish like
okay we're getting close to when the empire is
created this Jedi regime is about to completely
be destroyed and they've been ruling for a thousand
generations. How do we show that they're not
doing everything that they should be? Well, Qui
-Gon has problems with them. Um, but also here's
Qui -Gon as the, the arrow of where the Jedi
should be. Right. And it's, it's, it's certainly
where Luke goes and becomes when he, in the legends,
uh, expanded universe, he's much more lenient
and not as strict and a little bit more of like,
go with the flow of the force rather than, like,
here are these stringent things and tasks and
ways that you have to be. But also, he is...
He's this exemplification of being a peaceful
warrior, as we've been saying. He is a man that...
And he shows the impact, the disruptive impact
of doing good, of what the Jedi are there to
do. Because his entire time that he's walking
around is... total disruption to everybody. It's
disruption to the Trade Federation, disruption
to the Gungans, it's disruption to the Naboo,
it's disruption to Watto, it's disruption to
the Sith's plans, it's disruption to Coruscant,
and it's just like, it's one dude, really, for
most of the movie. Because Obi -Wan is kind of,
hey, we're gonna, we're gonna, we really like
this Liam Neeson dude. Let's just have him be
the movie for like the entire second act. Obi
-Wan is kind of a tag -along in this film. Yeah,
he really is. Just stay with the ship. Okay.
The all of Tatooine. Obi -Wan is not there. No,
no. Yeah, exactly. Sierra and I talk about this.
He's given like one order. Don't let them send
any transmissions. And so he then, Obi -Wan then
says. don't send any transmissions. And they're
immediately like, send a transmission. So he
doesn't really do his job either. Anyways, he
shows that disruptive power of doing good and
what the Jedi are there for and the power that
they have with them. And he also equals, he shows
this great equilibrium between like having inner
peace and also being willing to fight at a moment's
notice. Cause it's not like he's like peace only
ever. As soon as Maul comes over, lightsaber
out. As soon as Maul makes another appearance,
he's shredding his robes going, we'll handle
this. Like, there's no even question about it.
He will fight at a moment's notice, but he will
also attempt to be the peaceful diplomat whenever
possible. And I just, I find him incredibly impressive.
Yeah, Liam Neeson actually, when he is talking
about his character, describing the character,
he has this quote. Where he describes Qui -Gon,
he's almost like a monk, an old time warrior
who is wise and quite philosophical, yet very
skilled in martial arts. He has incredible confidence
as well as a magical quality that enables him
to see into the future. He's not really a rebel,
but he has his own code, which I think speaks
to exactly what you're talking about of being
that disruptive influence for good. Yeah, absolutely.
And so now we'll head. Speaking of who he is,
into the who category. Moving from the when category
to the who category. Who is Qui -Gon Jinn? What
defines him? What makes him tick? What's likable
and dislikable about Master Jinn? So the basics
of Qui -Gon. A Jedi Knight. master of apprentice
obi -wan kenobi um he was found late for a jedi
at age five uh which does seem to be a trend
amongst this group of masters and apprentices
and lineage uh because obi -wan was found at
three and anakin's found at nine so we're on
a really good track as far as the jedi locating
them are concerned this is this is the first
of our major discrepancies with canon and old
expanded universe content. Because in old expanded
universe content, Qui -Gon is discovered as Force
-sensitive within six months of his birth. I
kind of like that. For all our listeners out
there, this is the first of many discrepancies
between old expanded universe content and new
canon content. I like this lineage, though, of
late fine troublemakers. Dooku, I think, is found...
regularly but like 5 3 10 19 and then like yeah
then we know luke in canon tries to train grogu
who's 50 like yeah anyways go ahead yeah and
if we're even and if we're even um including
uh duke or another another apprentice who was
along with uh with qui -gon we also have rail
Who I believe was also found late. Late, yeah.
Somewhere around five or so as well. Or maybe
even later than that. I can't quite remember.
We knew that he had memories of his home and
that caused rail problems. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Which is pretty interesting. But Qui -Gon's master
was Count Dooku. Which is also pretty fascinating
with that kind of, I guess, Jedi genealogy. If
I may call it that. You may. But it's genealogy
with a J. Exactly. Such a stupid joke. I'm sorry.
Terrible joke, but I love it. During his time
as a Jedi, Qui -Gon is generally known for his
more rebellious nature, as you can tell from
what we've described so far, often arguing with
and occasionally flying in the face of council
orders and wishes. But he does tend to do these
because he has kind of more moral questions regarding
decisions that are being made and doesn't want
to take orders. without really understanding
the purpose. And he is more of a deep thinker
about things, which is interesting because I
love that there's a little bit of a moment where
Obi -Wan is discussing how when he was so young,
he was so rebellious. And now he's this stickler
for rules. And I believe it's Yoda who points
out that, well, they... I know, it must have
been, it might have been Rael. Qui -Gon in Master
and Apprentice is like, oh. I thought it was
Rael. Ah, who knows? No? Somebody. I don't know.
One of them points out that, oh, well, in order
for you, in order for them to get you to agree
with council decisions, they had to make you
rebel against your master. So they put you with
a rebellious master so that in order to rebel
against him, you'd follow the rules. Rebellion
versus rebellion is a net zero rebellion. Exactly.
Which I think is so funny. Which is pretty great.
But yeah, I think it. A really interesting part
of Qui -Gon's kind of apprenticeship is that
he spent a lot of time during his training studying
the ancient prophecies, which is where he gets
all of his information about believing that Anakin
is the Chosen One and there are other prophecies
as well, but that being kind of the main one
that we see in the films. So, you know, he believed
kind of for a long time. Prophecies were more,
you know, parables, potentially, not necessarily
to be taken literally. But some events occur,
which cause him to believe in the prophecies
as more literal. Maybe not completely literal,
but definitely closer to literal than... But
even following prophecies in kind of a more theoretical
way was pretty unusual for Jedi at the time because
they'd largely forgotten about or kind of shunned
trying to know the future because it was seen
as a way to the dark side, trying to control
the future, know the future, change things, and
have too much kind of power over things. Real
talk. Just the more that I learn, the more that
everything leads to the dark side. And it's just
honestly shocking that there's not more Sith
and Dark Jedi. It's a fair point. Because it's
just, I've rewatching Phantom and Clone Wars.
I feel like every other thing out of Yoda's mouth
is, well, that is the way to the dark side. And
I'm like, what isn't the way to the dark side?
Come on, man. The Jedi art are such a metaphor
for like Christianity or organized religion in
some way, shape or form. And like in Christianity,
you often hear like the straight and narrow and
like, Gosh, the Jedi just seem to be straight
and narrowing themselves into just, like, no
one's a Jedi, and no one's on the light side,
and everything's just darkness all the time.
It's like, you know, what is it? Fear leads to
hate, hate leads to pain, pain leads to suffering.
There's a lot of fear and hate in the world.
Those are pretty normal emotions. Fear, especially.
Okay, so I'm not allowed to be fearful? Or do
I have to overcome my fear? Where's my therapy
to help me not get to the dark side? Because
all you're telling me is abstinence from the
dark side and all of these things. And I think
that's ultimately why the Jedi fail. And that's
Qui -Gon Jinn is like, no, you can actually interact
with all of this stuff all the time. It's how
you choose to go about doing your life that determines
light side or dark side. And they just don't.
They just don't like it. In the old, in the expanded
universe, the original expanded universe, he
even has a romance with a fellow Jedi Knight.
Yeah. Little girlfriend. So it's interesting
to me from all of this stuff, like what makes
Qui -Gon tick, right? And what makes Qui -Gon
tick, I think, is like he has these huge moral
questions about the way in which people do things.
Because he's constantly thinking about how to
do the most good. And that's kind of different.
From what we see out of other Jedis, especially
in Phantom, right? We see a lot of people like,
this is the way you have to do things. And you
must go about it by this thing. And he's not
so interested about built -in rules. He's much
more interested about what can be done in the
current moment that will do the most good for
everybody. Building on that, the other thing
that makes him tick is his... desire to form
relationships with other people. And this is
an extension of exactly what you're talking about.
Jyn's character, especially in the old books
it's commented on quite frequently, that he tries
to form relationships and help as many people
as possible. This is what leads him to help Anakin
in the first place, right? Sure, he's trying
to get parts to fix the ship to get off of Tatooine,
but... ultimately that kind of becomes secondary
you can see that transition in his mind we're
like okay that that is no longer the primary
mission primary mission is helping these slaves
yeah yeah totally it is a little frustrating
that he didn't when trying to free two slaves
with one pod didn't go all right well let's roll
for if it's worth one or two all right dice roll
cool now let's roll to see if i can have anakin
or not like i yeah It's just like, he didn't
think two seconds after he rolled the first dice.
He's like, well, let's gamble on this again with
another dice roll. Because I'm really good at
manipulating dice. You have to set up the Fall
of Anakin. Garrett, here's a really quick question
in terms of what makes Qui -Gon tick. Do you
subscribe to the belief that he and Shmi definitely
hooked, or I should say unnamed mother number
one, hooked up in Phantom Menace? I do not, no.
Okay, alright, fine. That's two against three.
Sierra and I were fully into that theory. As
fun a theory as it is. Anything actually happened,
I just think that potentially there was interest.
If they spent a lot more time on the planet,
something would have happened. Okay, fine. Is
more my theory. I don't think anything actually
did happen. Sparks were flying for Sierra. It's
a fun ship. It's a fun ship. Yeah. Highly speculative,
but a fun ship. Yes. As the best ships are. We
called her unnamed mother number one the entire
time during that film because she doesn't have
a name until Attack of the Clones. Yeah. Anyways,
fascinating here for me, Dooku's tutelage is
what brings Qui -Gon to the prophecies. So, you
know, we have Qui -Gon who, by the time we get
to Phantom Menace, he's ready to accept that
the prophecies are real, that they might be literal,
and that this boy might be the literal incarnation
of the Chosen One prophecy. The reason why he's
there in the first place is he runs into the
prophecies and Dooku kind of takes him under
his wing. And at first, Dooku is basically like,
hey, no, don't go anywhere close to these. And
Qui -Gon eventually realizes that it's like,
okay, it's not learning about the prophecies
that's the path to the dark side. It's the feeling
of I want to control the future by knowing the
prophecies that leads to the dark side. Which
is a much more nuanced approach than we really
see any of the council take in the movies. But
then Dooku and Qui -Gon sort of get deep into
it. And then Dooku, you see himself, has to pull
himself away from him. And it's kind of all dark
and mysterious as to why. And that's really interesting.
And to me, you also get Qui -Gon's character.
He understands that the dark side can exist,
but you can still be a good person. Because in
the Tales of a Jedi, a little short, there's
that 13, 14 minute episode of Dooku trying to
eradicate corruption. And he uses the Force choking
in that scene. Now, Qui -Gon knows it's not the
right thing. He goes and frees the sun. The sun
runs out and eventually Dooku stops choking out
the senator who's super corrupt. But you see...
Dooku using methods not approved by the council
in order to do the right thing, like stamp out
corruption. And so you get a much more complex
character in Jedi than, you know, Kiara Mundi
being like, light side! Here we go! This is interesting.
This is where I'm going to interject and say,
this is all totally different in the Legends
EU. Yeah. The entire relationship with... Count
Dooku is very different. Their meeting and origin
is very different. In Old Legends EU, Qui -Gon
is chosen by Dooku as the result of a dueling
tournament between all of the apprentices at
the temple. And Qui -Gon is seen as one of the
strongest pupils. And Dooku chooses him because
he says, I want to train the strongest pupil.
It's entirely a selfish motive for Dooku. And
their relationship... develops as one where Dooku
is constantly trying to portray being Force -sensitive
as a mode of strength. And he constantly chides
Qui -Gon throughout their apprenticeship in the
old EU for caring about lesser lifeforms. And
lesser lifeforms, in Dooku's mind, means anyone
who does not have a connection with the Force.
Dooku sees being a Force user as a superiority.
And so this is a distinct difference in their
philosophical styles with the Order, is that
Dooku is all about the Force as a means of power,
which obviously leads to his eventual fall. And
Qui -Gon is all about the Force as a means of
doing good. Yeah. Well, so interestingly, in
now canon, so Qui -Gon goes to talk to Dooku
and is presented as an option. For him. And Dooku
is basically questioning him. And Qui -Gon says
essentially that he's not afraid. Like, I'm not
afraid of you, Master Dooku. But I'm not afraid
of becoming, of being worthy of you. And Dooku
was like, oh, that's super wise. Most people
would try and just say they're not afraid, period.
And so I'll take you on because you admit that
you're afraid. So it's really topsy -turvy. From,
oh, best one, that one's mine. Yeah, yeah. Which
again, I think there's something to be said about
the old EU, especially old EU as it surrounds
the prequels, right? The amount of time between
the prequels being released and the end of the
expanded universe and conversion to Disney canon.
There wasn't a whole lot of time to really develop
the strong sorts of character. that there was
for all of the EU surrounding our original trilogy
heroes. And so I think that prequel EU content
is generally very simplistic. Yeah. And this
relationship between Qui -Gon and Dooku is no
exception to that. Yeah. I prefer new canon Dooku
to Legends canon Dooku. Yeah. What you've explained,
Garrett, is it's so simplified. Best one, power,
electricity, I'm Darkseid! Versus like, hey,
I'm wrestling with the prophecy, I'm wrestling
with my homeworld. I've read the Dooku book,
his whole sort of shift into why he goes into,
or his comics are a book or something like that.
Anyways, they sort of debate as to why he's going
to go back home and join. and protect his family's
legacy and heritage versus being in the Jedi
way. It's just so different and so much more
nuanced. But as you're saying, Disney's done
a lot less with the original Han, Luke, Leia
stuff than old EU canon did, which was basically
all Han, Luke, Leia for a long, long, long, long,
long time. Again, just the amount of time available
for those character sets is totally different.
Totally. Yeah. So then kind of moving into what
is or is not likable about Master Jin. In my
opinion, so I think as is the case that we often
see with characters or even real life people
who die young or on the younger side, we can
tend to see them, their life with a little bit
of like a rose colored glasses view. The more
that I learn about Qui -Gon, the more I think
he just really is great and that there isn't
a whole lot to dislike about him. Not saying
he's perfect by any means or that he can do no
wrong, but, you know, he's a rebel, but he's
not a rebel for the sake of rebellion. He really
is like thinking through why he doesn't agree
with something or what exactly is going on behind
the scenes to cause a difference of opinion.
I really appreciate that he's someone that he
doesn't just follow blindly, but he also isn't
just trying to be contrary just to be contrary.
So I think that he is just a really fascinating
character. And from a character standpoint, even
if I was in this world and I met him, it would
be very difficult to dislike him. And I think
we even really see that in Phantom. You know,
he may rub some people the wrong way. He may
win some bets through fishy means. Or knock people
unconscious who are freaking out. Yeah. But they
all, none of them seem to actively dislike him
afterwards. Even if they suspect they're being
cheated, Watto still is like, you know, just
grumble, grumble. Because he just has that quality.
In all of those scenarios that you've mentioned,
Jyn is operating on his highest sense of right.
Yeah. Right? Exactly. In all scenarios, all the
depictions we see of him, Jyn is operating, yes,
as an anti -authority figure in some instances,
but often it's to accomplish his highest sense
of right, sort of rules be damned. And I think
that makes him resonate with... because it's
an anti -authority figure, but it's not, like
you mentioned, it's not anti -authority for the
sake of it. It's anti -authority as a means to
accomplish good. This is the kind of character
that when people say like, oh, if we could just
like cut through red tape to affect change. whatever
that may be. This is the perfect example of that.
Qui -Gon sees a thing, he sees that it needs
to be done, and this is the moral high ground,
and he makes it happen, regardless of the strictures
of either the Jedi or social rules around it.
Absolutely. Yeah, if we were putting him on an
alignment chart, he'd be chaotic good, where
he's going to do what is right. regardless of
how lawful it may or may not be whereas the jedi
tend at least the council the jedi council is
definitely more of a lawful good of this is specifically
the laws and we are going to stay within them
and we are going to do good but within these
boundaries um whereas he is definitely like but
why why can't i maybe fudge something a little
bit in order to do the morally correct thing
Well, and he's also like, some of your rules
stand in the way of goodness and we should forsake
them even though it might be risky because you're
doing more harm than good by having these rules
there. Yeah, definitely. The next thing, we've
kind of touched on this a little bit, but it's
the what category. As in, what extra material
exists about Qui -Gon outside of Phantom Menace?
We've touched on it a little bit, but... We kind
of want to dive a little bit deeper and also
find out what does that material do to shape
our understanding of this Jedi Master. So folks
who have looked further into Qui -Gon can find
his existence earlier in the timeline. Novels
such as Master and Apprentice, which if you have
heard some of our other episodes, you've heard
us talk about this already and how much we love
it. And in this one, we've already discussed
it. Seriously, you can go read it. We'll pause.
Just pause this right now. We'll wait for you.
Okay. Are you back? Did you read it? Great. Okay.
Now, how great was it? It was great. It's a great
book. It's like one of the best expansions on
Canada right now. It's a really, really fun book.
Yes, we will attempt. Again, not to spoiler anything,
obviously it is pre -Phantom Menace, so there's
not too much that can be spoiled. Obi -Wan and
Qui -Gon are both alive, turns out. Turns out
they don't die and then somehow return. What
a shot at Rise of Skywalker. Way over Garrett's
head. No, no, I'm just going to leave it alone.
Okay. But Garrett, what other information is
there? You mentioned there's not a whole ton
of expanded universe just because there wasn't
time to create it all, but what other information
do we have out there? It's not like there isn't
a whole ton. It's just that there isn't a whole
ton relative to the amount of content about.
The original trilogy. Fair. But for Qui -Gon
Jinn, there is a significant amount of material
in the old Legends EU. And this mostly serves
to flesh out his character, right? Again, we're
introduced to Qui -Gon in the context of Obi
-Wan. As viewers are watching episode one, our
frame of reference for this person is as Obi
-Wan's master. And throughout the film, we're
introduced to Qui -Gon. We see how he operates.
We see, like you mentioned, this sort of chaotic
good character. Sometimes we're kind of told,
not shown, how he is viewed by the Council. There's
that interaction with Obi -Wan on the balcony
when they're on Coruscant. If you would just
go along with the Council, you would already
be a member. That's sort of telling, not necessarily
showing. We know they have disagreements about
Anakin, but we're sort of uncertain in the larger
context of the Jedi Order, like what other things
is Qui -Gon doing that makes him not worthy of
being on the Council. Telling them that Obi -Wan's
ready for the trials, and they're like, we're
going to make up our own mind. We can be the
judge of that. Get out of here! Who are you?
What are you, his master? In the film, We're
shown this character that, as we've talked about,
is quite a likable character. We all come to
enjoy Qui -Gon and we appreciate what he's doing.
But in terms of understanding his background,
we're given nothing, right? There's no context
for the background of Qui -Gon. We don't even
learn that Dooku was his master until episode
two. Of course, Dooku doesn't make his appearance
until episode two. So for people who are looking
for more information about Qui -Gon itself, the...
The EU basically serves to flesh out his life
up until episode one. And it goes all the way
back. All the way back to his birth again. He's
identified at the age of six months. He's taken
a Coruscant, trained, etc. The important moments
in Qui -Gon's life in the EU, he becomes very
good friends with another youngling at the temple.
Eventually... They are lifelong friends, eventually
form a bit of a romance. He is chosen by Count
Dooku for winning the Exhibition Day lightsaber
tournament. He and Dooku have kind of a strange
relationship. It's not really a sort of brotherly
relationship that we see with Obi -Wan and Anakin.
It's very much a master and apprentice, a traditional
master and apprentice relationship. There's not
a whole lot of overlap in terms of personal interests.
They have very different styles about the philosophy
of the Jedi Order. He eventually does, you know,
become a knight. We also learn about his apprentices
before Obi -Wan, of which in the old EU there
are, depending on who you ask and what time you're
talking, what point in time you're talking about,
two. In most of the novels, he has one apprentice.
This apprentice eventually falls. It's not quite
a dark side fall. It's more of a forsaking the
Jedi Order generally type of fall. But again,
he does have a fallen apprentice. There were
mentions of another apprentice in some ancillary
materials, some like visual dictionary type materials.
And so there was confusion amongst the fans for
a while about, well, does he have one? Does he
have two? We haven't heard about this other one
that came before this fallen apprentice. They
eventually had to rectify this in a comic book
series where he does have a first apprentice
that he successfully trains. The second one falls.
It makes him feel bad about his training. He,
like, believes that his first one didn't count
as a result. He's down on himself. And he resolves
not to take another apprentice, or he's not interested
in taking another apprentice when he meets Obi
-Wan. In the old EU, Obi -Wan is 12 years old.
He's about to turn 13, which... In the old expanded
universe, this is the age at which you kind of
age out of becoming a Jedi student. Like, if
you haven't found a master by the age of 13,
you are sent off to other supplementary Jedi
orders. So, like, the Agra Corps is a great example
of this, where, like, people who haven't become
a Jedi Knight use their Force powers to grow
food on other planets. It's sort of like Peace
Corps -type work. And so Obi -Wan gets sent off
to the Agra Corps because he hasn't found a master,
and Qui -Gon Jinn happens to be sent on a mission
to the same planet, and they have some overlap
there. That relationship develops. It takes some
time, actually, for Obi -Wan to become his student.
And there's some crossing of paths along the
way. His first apprentice... has a falling out
with the jedi order goes back to his own planet
eventually at the same time this like relationship
with uh this his fellow jedi knight is developing
spoiler alert she ends up dying he goes into
a rage there's a bit of a like conflicted period
in qui -gon jinn's life where he's struggling
with uh rage and vengeance and i think this is
an important distinction for qui -gon is on the
subject we were talking about earlier of like
following the jedi strictures uh This is one
moment where he exacts a form of vengeance that
is not rage. It's not pure rage. It's not the
type of vengeance we see portrayed by Anakin
in Episode 3, which is a very interesting dynamic,
and it fits his character really well. It is
retribution without evil intent. It is sort of,
again, chaotic good. This is all about Qui -Gon
being chaotic good. And it's interesting to see
his character wrestle with... those types of
emotions especially in this context of jinn being
sort of a rebellious jedi right yeah uh and i
think it's it's these sort of interactions that
get jinn labeled as a like a gray jedi although
that's sort of a misnomer that can mean different
things to different people uh yes again all of
this all of this happens uh in this old expanded
universe and serves to like flesh out his background
prior to episode one so real quick What I most
remember about this, like, fallen, dark Jedi,
not a Sith thing, is they kind of take his characterization
and turn that into Maul in Clone Wars Sierra.
Where, like, you know how Maul's just kind of
running around being like, Kenobi? It's like,
Qui -Gon's apprentice is a little like that.
Yeah, a little bit. Where he's just like, Jyn?
he sets traps for him it's good yeah it's actually
really like it's a really good comparison joker
batman -esque yeah no it's well i mean so those
books are are meant for like 10 12 year olds
so they're they're pretty they're pretty simplistic
but it is like it is like he's like you know
they're like walking through the forest of some
moon and the guy's just like rubbing his hands
together waiting for them to fall into the pit
of spikes essentially not really but like that's
kind of how he feels um it's a little wacky but
it it when you when you pair into like those
like what we're talking about for phantom menace
when i was like yeah the the trilogy I don't
have a qualm with any of the big points. If you're
looking at just the big points of Qui -Gon's
life, it's actually really fascinating what happens.
I want to clear up something, Garrett, because
a lot of people say, okay, Qui -Gon was married
in the Legends universe. And your answer to that
is? I may be missing something. My understanding
is no. Yeah, same. That's my best reading, too,
is that he was in a romantic relationship that
the council disapproved of, but he was never
actually formally married. That's my understanding.
Cool. But, and so in New Canada, do you have
him have a little bit of a romance? But I really
liked this particular old canon romance because
it was showing how the Jedi do not have to...
be this one way, right? This sort of like, this
is the way Mandalorian thing, where it's like,
Jedi can never marry. Well, Qui -Gon wasn't married,
but he was in a relationship in as much that
that was kind of the way it was. Like, Obi -Wan,
and they borrow this for Obi -Wan and Satine,
right? Which I don't love as much for Clone Wars,
because when they do it for Qui -Gon and the
old EU, it's to sort of give you a hint of, oh
man, Qui -Gon could have really helped Anakin
with this whole Padme situation. Yeah. Yeah.
Versus when they do it with Obi -Wan and Satine,
it's like, wait, okay. So Obi -Wan, and so they
kind of rip away this. It's very personal to
Obi -Wan in the Clone Wars. Yes. Yeah. And for
Obi -Wan, it doesn't do the same thing, which
is like, we get this notion of like Qui -Gon
could have been so much better. if because of
all of these things in his past that we're now
learning about versus when you do it with obi
-wan it's kind of like this wild revelation of
like oh if only you guys had talked a little
bit more like brothers like you guys weren't
as close as we thought you were like what were
you doing obi -wan it creates all of these different
questions about how obi -wan is messed up versus
the questions of why qui -gon could be great
if he had managed to stay alive yeah yeah i totally
agree and in qui -gon's relationship is also
interesting because it forms as the result of
a lifelong friendship, right? These are two pupils
at the same age who go through their entire lives
through the training in the Jedi Order together.
They are very close the entire time. And that
is, I think, interesting because it's a inter
- or intra -Jedi relationship, as opposed to
Obi -Wan and Satine, which is, you know, a Jedi
and someone outside the Order. And so it's a
very interesting take on the attachment rules,
right? Because it's two people who have the same
perspective. It's not someone trying to convince
someone away from their teaching. It's two people
who have been brought up the same way and have
the same perspective. And so that's a unique
play on that. And mirrors a little bit more with
Padme, because Padme is much more on the side
of like, no, no, no, we can't. There are all
these things getting in the way of us. Versus
Satine is like, hey, Obi, what if you just weren't
a Jedi? Although, with Padme, it almost feels
more logistically problematic than... Well, yeah,
she's very layered in that regard. Where Anakin
could have essentially said, like, I don't have
time to take this up with the committee, and
Padme would be like, I am not a committee. Wait,
I kind of am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I really
like all this, like, EU information for current
kind of, you know, current canon, Disney canon.
Whatever we want to be calling it. I think that
kind of one of the more interesting relationships
that we see develop in some of that content is
Qui -Gon's relationship with Rael Averroes, who
is another one of Dooku's apprentices prior to
Qui -Gon. And he pops up kind of through Qui
-Gon's training and history. to kind of fill
in the gaps a little bit of where Dooku is, because
Dooku is definitely more of that stoic character
and very kind of more statuesque in his, this
is what I'm teaching you, and this is the rules.
very like law abiding in terms of this is what
i need to teach you this is what i need to impart
and this is how you should learn it because this
is how i'm teaching um whereas rail kind of comes
in at these pivotal moments uh specifically like
qui -gon's first battle uh moment and and other
significant times and is A little bit more the
rogue figure to come in and give a little bit
more. Yes, it's okay to feel terrified right
now. You're about to go into your first battle.
You should feel terrified, but we're going to
make it through. And this is how you do that
and work more on the emotional side of things.
And they have a very interesting kind of. back
and forth uh and he's almost kind of like a little
bit of a a second minor mentor to Qui -Gon which
is a pretty interesting which is pretty interesting
and we also see Rael interact with Obi -Wan a
little bit as well which is also Very interesting,
because by the point that we see that interaction,
Obi -Wan is definitely on the side of, we follow
all the rules the council has stated. As perfectly
as possible. But Rael is going off and having
relationships and doing what he wants and wearing
non -appropriate attire and doing his own thing.
One of the most interesting things about Rael,
Garrett, is that early on, they're like, hey,
are you having relations with people? And he's
like, the the jedi forbid me from having attachments
and it's just kind of like wow that is not what
they mean my dude he is is not following uh the
intent of the law he's following it to the letter
yeah for real um All right, so we're going to
move now into the how category, and we've talked
a lot about this already, so we're going to limit
the scope a little bit. But how does this extra
material, this Legends mainly, because there's
so little current sort of extra canon from Disney,
how does the Legends change our perspective of
this character, specifically around Obi -Wan
and Qui -Gon's relationship? I think this is
true of both the old Legends EU and the canon
EU. The films... give us this character that
I think we all want more of. We're presented
with this character and everyone is left. Again,
he dies at the end of the film. He's just gone.
We're not going to see him again in film. And
so we are all left with this feeling of, I want
more of this character. The expanded content,
whichever EU is your preference, they all serve
to... give us more of that Qui -Gon Jinn that
we all want. And a lot of it is foundational
and historical, right? Origin, story, that sort
of thing. Prior apprentices, whatever you prefer.
But fundamentally, what all of this EU content
gives us is more of this roguish Jedi that we
all kind of agree with and we don't know why.
We're all sort of drawn to him. We all want him.
We're all cheering for him. We all agree with
his decisions, even though there are Jedi rules
about all of these things. And we're all kind
of okay with him breaking them. I think that
gives us more of those moments of like, yes,
I feel rebellious myself in supporting this person.
Absolutely. Well stated. Um, also really quickly,
this is, this is sort of irrelevant, but when
we're, when we were talking about relationships,
uh, there's a really interesting quote about,
uh, that Jin is talking to Kenobi because Jin
had this relationship in the old EU and in the
old EU Kenobi has some girlfriends or whatever.
And Jyn talks about attachment and the Jedi Order.
And he specifically says, I didn't get a chance
to examine my decision to see the pitfalls and
its faults. I do not know what would have happened
if Tal had lived. We might have decided to put
our great love aside. We might have left the
Jedi Order. I do not know. I will never know.
And I live with the heartbreak of losing her.
But I am living, Obi -Wan. I continue to walk
the Jedi path. What I'm saying to you is that...
Once in a great while, we have a chance to look
at ourselves and make a choice that will define
us. You have that choice. It is ahead of you.
Do not make it in haste. Use your head as well
as your heart. Remember that you've chosen a
life that includes personal sacrifice. This is
the greatest sacrifice you can give. Which is
a really interesting take on that relationship
aspect, right? Like, that is a classic Qui -Gon
Jinn pearl of wisdom. Yeah. Yeah. Really good.
That is for sure. Wow. I got chills listening
to that one. That was, wow. That was really great.
So now we're going to go into our where category
part one, which is where on a scale from Zyston
to Death Star, does Qui -Gon Jinn fit into the
fandom of Star Wars? Where does he rank in importance?
Sam, do you want to give us a little info on
this? I made a very arbitrary list because I
love arbitrary list games on podcasts. So I'm
going to walk us through this. And we'll clip
this for social media as well. And we'll put
it on on a pinned thing so that everybody can
go back and listen to it when we're in our Star
Wars season. So we have a list of super arbitrary
ship starship categories from Star Wars. And
I will start at the top, you know, like most
important, going down to the bottom and explain
why each one is called that. So the very top
one, you know, single best category of importance,
Death Star category. It's powerful and it's iconic.
And now when I'm talking about powerful, I don't
mean like strength wise. I mean powerful to the
story. Are they doing a lot of heavy lifting
for the overall Star Wars story that we're trying
to tell? So, a comp. For this. Would be Luketh
Skywalkereth. Which really needs no further explanation.
You could put Han. You could put Vader. You could
put Anakin. You could put, you know, Leia. Anybody.
Rey. You know, they are powerful. They're iconic.
They're there. Right? Okay, so that's top tier.
Second tier down. Millennium Falcon. Iconic.
Okay? Iconic characters that are, you know, still
powerful, but maybe not as... Powerful to the
story. So somebody like Mace Windu, right? Or
I struggled with even Chewbacca a little bit
in here. You could argue he's Millennium Falcon
or you could argue he's Death Star. But Mace
is kind of who I've got running in that Millennium
Falcon territory. Then we've got the Executor,
which is the super class Star Destroyer. That's
Vader's ship, which is like way bigger than a
normal. Star Destroyer this is like powerful
to the story but not nearly as iconic so not
as known by a layman right almost everybody knows
Mace Windu if you've encountered Star Wars everybody
knows Luke Skywalker even if you haven't encountered
Star Wars so this is where I have Ahsoka who
like is starting to move more into the Millennium
Falcon character, especially because now she's
got her own show. But I think if you're talking
to still layman Star Wars fans, they're not necessarily
going to know who Ahsoka is. They probably know
Mace before they know Ahsoka, if you're just
movie watching. So that's where I've got that
for our third tier. Our fourth tier is the Fett's
Firespray ship, since we've moved away from calling
it Slave 1. This tier is for the huge group of
fandom love. So, right, it's involved in the
fandom in some way, shape, or form. Really beloved
within this fandom. I've got Din Djarin, who
is the Mandalorian. You could also put Grogu
in here, who's not necessarily central to the
overall Star Wars story, like Luke is. And is
just below Mason Ahsoka in terms of... tiers
of characters now anybody can argue with me about
this that's fine but this is the list that we're
going with so get used to it um sort of into
going into this next tier the fifth tier we've
got the mon calamari cruiser this is something
again uh layman might not know but it does have
an impact and is largely powerful to the story
um but you know maybe not as super beloved By
all fandom, doesn't have a huge following, is
largely not known, but within a subset would
be known. That's Mara Jade for me, is the comp
for that character. Then we move into our wing
series. So the X -Wing, small, iconic, impactful.
That would be like Babu Freak or K2SO. The A
-Wing, beloved but unknown. That's R5 -D4. Who,
Sierra, I'm not even sure you know that one.
Do you know who R5 -D4 is? No. Very quickly.
I don't think so. R5 -D4 is very famous. He blows
his, what's it, Garrett? What does he blow in
episode four? He's got a bad motivator. Oh, he's
the red. Now, it turns out, Sierra, there was
a whole comic in Legends. No, now I know. Force
using droid, okay? Which doesn't make any sense
because he's got no midichlorians or blood in
him, unless. Oh, God. The ramifications of that
one. R5 -D4. Now, below that is Y -Wing, the
utilitarian character. And I've got Malakili,
who, Garrett, I'm testing your knowledge here.
Who is Malakili? I don't know. Drawing a blank.
Okay, Sierra? I have to go back and read. No
idea. I knew the character, but I didn't know
his name. This is the man who immediately starts
weeping after Luke kills the Rancor in Episode
6. Oh. The animal caretaker. He's the Rancor
caretaker. Yeah, yeah. So, utilitarian, right?
Like, we know exactly why he's there. And that's
the only purpose that he really serves. I've
got the Naboo Starfighter, which is a pretty
character, but... Not much else, which is where
I have Hondo Onaka, who is like well -beloved,
but kind of meaningless if you really think about
where he sits in Star Wars universe. This enterprise
is no longer profitable. And you guys can fight
me about if Malakili should be above Hondo and
Naka or not, but whatever. It's my list. Then
we've got the droid Tri -Fighter, which, as Garrett
and I say all the time to each other, it says
uh -oh in space. Like, this is the type of character
that people try and pretend doesn't exist, but
they do know exists. So this is like a Jar Jar
Binks. Yeah? And then lastly, I've got the Zeist
and Class Star Destroyers. This is the no one
cares category. The who category. Which for a
character comp, I have Lobot for. All right.
So, Sierra, do you know who Lobot is? Okay, Garrett,
I'm pretty sure you know who Lobot is. He's one
of the Bounty Hunter droids. Oh, no, he is not.
Oh, no. He's the cyborg in Bespin. With the implant
in the back of his head. He's got a crazy backstory.
He was like a major slaver and he did all this
terrible stuff. And then they basically like
drug him out and cyborg implant him. But at the
very end of the day, everyone's kind of like,
who? Why does he matter? And that's what we've
got. So with that being said, for Qui -Gon Jinn,
I'm going with Millennium Falcon Territory. He's
super iconic, but ultimately not a heavy lifting
character like Obi, Annie, Luke, Leia, Han, etc.
Let me just say this is a wild tier list, by
the way. This is crazy. It should be. I have
many issues with it. Well, that's too bad. Well,
that's too bad. I think Qui -Gon has to end up.
high on this list only because he is a primary
film character. The later on in the list you
went, the more you got into ancillary characters
and secondary characters. Qui -Gon, because of
his prominent role in a major film, has to end
up high on the list. So I don't think he can
be anywhere less than third or fourth tier. Yeah,
I agree with that. I have him in Millennium Falcon.
It's just the second tier. What was after Falcon?
We've got the Executor, powerful but not as iconic.
That's Ahsoka. And then the Fett's Fire Spray
Ship, which is a huge fandom love and involved
in the fandom, but ultimately not as big of a
deal. No, no. He's more important than both of
those. I think he's, yeah. I think he's in the
Millennium Falcon. And it's one of the reasons
he's in one of the biggest what -ifs about Star
Wars, period. Which is one of the reasons why
I think he's Millennium Falcon is like, because
that what if of Qui -Gon instead of Obi is huge.
Sierra, what about you? Yeah, I agree. He is
definitely in the Millennium Falcon category.
He's too important not to include, but because
he dies, he doesn't make it into the top tier.
because he's just not around enough to make that
happen. But he's way too iconic to not be up
there. Which is a shame because I would watch
more Liam Neeson content all day, every day.
I mean, I would watch. Like I said to Sierra,
I'm very excited for you to watch Obi -Wan, the
show, finally. So with that, we're going to move
into the where category part two. Where does
Star Wars fandom go with Qui -Gon now? Which
I think is a very quick. They can only go backwards.
I hope they only go backwards. No. Somehow, he
survived. No, I, oh gosh. And now I'm all the
Jedi and you're all the Sith. And it's just terrible.
Okay, so. Yeah, I think they can only go back
like the old EU did, like the Legends did. Unless
they're going to make his path to return from
the Netherworld like a story where you can, like,
sort of like they do in Rebels. This means nothing
to either of you right now. But for the listeners,
there's an episode called The World Between Worlds,
and unless he makes an appearance there, I think
we're just backfilling. Which is my hope. I really
cannot stand... that death doesn't mean anything.
So, like, the MCU is, like, bonkers to me at
points. And so I, like, we started to sort it
out with cloning for Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker,
but, like, I don't like that he's dead, but he
needs to stay dead for me. Yeah, I agree. Force
ghost stuff is totally fine. Totally fine with
that. Yeah. Yeah, don't go pulling a mole. Aww.
That's my exception. As great as that character
turned out, I think that's why he's my exception.
The fact that it happened to begin with is just...
Anyway, don't pull that with Qui -Gon. The initial
sort of jump into that was rough, certainly.
When we got to season seven and he has that iconic
scene with Ahsoka, I was like totally bought
in. And the fact that it was originally a George
Lucas idea where he was like, no, he's going
to be the major villain of the sequel trilogy.
I'm like, okay, I can get down with, but I still,
to Garrett's point, I don't like it. In half.
In half. Cut in half. But his anger kept him
alive. Oh, give me a break. It's fine. I love
Sam Witwicky, so I'm grateful that he's there.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, no, so I think for Qui -Gon,
specifically, I just want to see him as apprentice
to Dooku. I just, I think filling in that relationship
would be fascinating. So that's the section specifically
that I would want more about with him. Which
that Tale of the Jedi episode is just like, oh
my gosh, give me more. So good. Seriously, no,
I... I watched it and I immediately was like,
but is there another one? I was like, there's
another Dooku episode, but I don't think Qui
-Gon's in this one. No! Yeah. If you have 12
minutes to spare, Tales of the Jedi, Episode
3, Justice. So powerful. There's so much packed
into those 12 minutes. There's a lot to unpack,
certainly. There's really not a lot of dialogue.
In that 12 minutes either. It is very quiet.
And wow. So much is revealed. In 12 minutes.
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Amazing, amazing. A huge, huge thank you to you,
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thank you. Happy to be here. It was delightful
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