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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's

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episode, we will be acrimoniously articulating

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about Star Wars, Episode 1, The Phantom Menace.

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Without further ado, we will, as Roger Smith

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from American Dad says, dive on in, to our story

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recap. Two Jedi, Master Qui -Gon Jinn and his

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apprentice, is that Ben Kenobi, are sent secretly

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by the Supreme Chancellor to create a diplomatic

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solution to the Trade Federation's total blockade

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of the planet Naboo. But enter our pal, Pateen,

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and it's off with their heads for Qui -Gon Jinn

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and Obi -Wan Kenobi. After carefully escaping

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with the Trade Federation's invasion forces,

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the two Jedi meet one of the two local sentient

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species, Gungan Jar Jar Binks, beloved by 90s

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kids and my father and hated by all else. After

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saving his life, Qui -Gon and Obi -Wan convince

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Binks to take them to his home city. There, they

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get a transport, use Binx as a navigator, and

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pilot through the watery planet Kor and several

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fish to end up in Italy. I mean, the capital

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of Naboo. The Queen of Naboo, a 14 -year -old

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kid, has been captured, and the two Jedi spring

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her loose. Future Grand Moff Tanaka gets our

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whole little D &D party to a hangar of spaceships,

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and the gang busts out of there. But the Trade

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Federation isn't having it. Their blockade may

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be perfectly legal, but it's not perfectly working.

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Enter R2 -D2. The only surviving astromech droid

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watches his fellow R2 units scream out in terror

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as they're blasted to smithereens. Coming in

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clutch, R2 fixes the ship, but the ship needs

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further repairs, and the closest planet is Tatooine.

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Play his wrestler intro music, it's Darth Maul!

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Sent to track down the Queen, and that's all

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we get of him for ages. On Tatooine, Qui -Gon

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takes a party of Jar Jar, a Queen's handmaiden

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named Padme, and R2, you know, the typical crew

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there, to buy parts for their ship. They meet

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a small, blonde boy named Anakin Skywalker, who

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is owned by a Toydarian named Watto. After a

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little flirting between this 14 -year -old girl

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and 9 -year -old boy, Anakin saves Jar Jar from

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a bully named Sebulba and gives shelter to Qui

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-Gon's crew in his home with unnamed mother number

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one. Give this man a towel, his parts are showing.

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It's the droid C -3PO and the beginning of a

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relationship with R2 that will last at least

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60 years. But oops, the gang's been found and

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Maul is after them with his only lines of the

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movie. Anakin comes up with a brilliant plan

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to deceive Wado. Gamble with the Tordarian to

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get the ship parts they need, and bet on him,

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the only human in the galaxy that can pod race.

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Qui -Gon is becoming more enamored with this

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selfless, talented boy, and for good reason.

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It turns out unnamed Mother Number One conceived

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the boy on her own. In the most obvious biblical

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illusion, Anakin Skywalker was created solely

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by the Force. Qui -Gon then steals some of his

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blood to check the midichlorian count, a suddenly

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important aspect of the Force, and explains eventually

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to Anakin that midichlorians are microscopic

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organisms that connect everyone to the Force.

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Maul has arrived on Tatooine with droids on the

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lookout for... It's unclear how Maul knows exactly

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who to look for, but it's time for the pod race.

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And while Qui -Gon tries to free the boy and

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his mother, he can only free Anakin if Anakin

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wins the race. Anakin proves he's worth listening

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to with incredible calm under pressure. With

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a huge disadvantage to start the race, he ends

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up in a neck -and -neck final lap with arch -nemesis

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Sebulba, and ends up not only finishing the race

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for the first time, but winning it all, getting

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the parts for Qui -Gon and company, but also

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freeing himself. After delivering the horrible

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news that C -3PO might be sold, Anakin promises

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his mother to come back and free her. Dismounting

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his Vespa and flying directly to kill a small

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child, Maul attacks, using what appears to be

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an unusually long lightsaber to battle it out.

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Anakin and Qui -Gon just manage to escape and

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head to Coruscant with the rest of the crew.

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And Qui -Gon is certain this black -cloaked figure

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is a member of the Ancient Sith Order. The Trade

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Federation hasn't stopped being jerks. They are

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now going after Jar Jar's people, the Gungans,

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in their underwater city. But that doesn't matter,

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because we've got more Padme -Anakin burgeoning

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romance time before meeting Senator Palpatine

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and the Supreme Chancellor Valorum. Cue politics.

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Palpatine convinces the Queen to call for a vote

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of no confidence in Valorum, and Palpatine comes

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out on top as the new Supreme Chancellor. Meanwhile,

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we finally meet more than two Jedi at one time

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in a Star Wars movie. The Jedi Council, it turns

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out, is just as stodgy and risk -averse as any

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council ever. They both don't believe that Maul

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is a Sith, nor that Anakin is the Chosen One,

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or that he should be trained. With no time to

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lose, the Queen goes back to Naboo to liberate

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her people. The Queen tries to convince Bosnas

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- head of all Gungans to sacrifice all his people

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to give them a shot at wresting back power from

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the Trade Federation, and it doesn't go well.

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In a desperate attempt to salvage the situation,

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Padme reveals she's actually the queen and begs

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on her knees for the Gungans to join. Basnas

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appreciates this show of respect and agrees,

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and doesn't waver when they realize the Trade

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Federation is way stronger than anyone thought.

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And thus begins the still super fun to watch

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climax of the movie. The party is broken up into

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four sections. The Gungans draw away the Trade

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Federation from the capital and into open combat.

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Padme and Tanaka lead a team through the palace

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to capture Trade Federation head Newt Gunray

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to force him to end his blockade. Anakin gets

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told to stay in a ship for his safety and instead

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launches into the space battle. And Qui -Gon

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Jinn and Obi -Wan Kenobi get into a battle to

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the death with Sith Apprentice. Darth Maul and

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his two -sided lightsaber. Y 'all know how it

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ends. The Gungans die a lot and somehow provide

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comic relief. Anakin does a lot of damage in

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space and blows up the control ship. The droids

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all deactivate, but not before Padme and her

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team capture Gunray. And Qui -Gon and Obi -Wan

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battle Maul, with Maul killing Qui -Gon, but

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Obi -Wan overcoming the high ground and slicing

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Maul in half to fall down a shaft to his, as

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far as we know, death. Obi -Wan promises Qui

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-Gon that he'll train the boy, and then it's

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big celebration time with an eerie line from

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our Palpatine. And of course, no series is quite

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perfect without a cliffhanger. We know that Palpatine,

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the Sith Master, is alive, but the Jedi don't.

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Mace Windu and Yoda speculate on if the Master,

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or the Student Sith, is still alive, only to

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have the Sith Master sitting three feet away

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and then preside over a peace ceremony the next

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day. So good job, Jedi, and honestly... Good

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job, George Lucas. End of movie summary. And

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now it's time for a reality check. So how did

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this movie get off the ground? Essentially, George

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Lucas wanted to explore more of Vader's story

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and expand the world. that he had given us in

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the original trilogy. When he wrote the original

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Star Wars, it was intended to be one film about

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Vader's downfall, but then it turned into three,

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and by the end of the three, he realized he hadn't

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really told the backstory of Anakin how he originally

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wanted to. He also came back as writer and director,

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leading to much anticipation from the fans, as

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this was Lucas' first time back in the director's

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chair since the original Star Wars. Unlike the

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original trilogy, which were intended to be made

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very cheaply, remember, they didn't know if New

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Hope was going to be remotely popular, The Phantom

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Menace relied heavily on digital effects to tell

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a wide -ranging story that dove into the Republic,

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the politics, etc. Lucas decided 1999 was a pretty

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good time to bring it back because there had

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been major updates in the world of digital effects,

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and he felt the film would finally appear as

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he wished it. Hence, fully CG characters like

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Jar Jar, who was the first fully CG character

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on screen, and the first mo -cap motion capture

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performance ever, which makes sense and honestly

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just blows my mind that that was the first one.

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Yeah, really, really blows my mind. really crazy

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so apparently periodically during company meetings

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other people um would ask george if he would

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return to star wars having done jurassic park

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having done all these other projects and finally

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in 1994 he said yes he was going he was starting

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to write again and he wanted to return to the

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character who had started it all and flesh out

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how he'd become one of the world's greatest villains

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This was also in part because Lucas didn't like

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the fan theories surrounding Vader's history

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and he wanted to set everyone straight, which

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is valid if it's your baby and you really want

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to get into what you had to put on the page and

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what you thought would come out on screen. Obviously,

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that makes sense. Once the project was underway,

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it was really up to the artists at that point.

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They'd be given this small snippet or description

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in the script and just have to go to work. They

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started bringing the world to life on the page

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and began creating things that were honestly

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impossible and yet beautiful. Battle droids,

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pod racers, even Maul's appearance all came from

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nothing more than a spark of an idea. and grew

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into all the iconic things that we know and mostly

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love. Then it was time for technology to continue

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catching up because they were still really pushing

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boundaries. As Rob Coleman, the animation director,

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explained, part of my problem was for months

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there was no crowd system. which meant there

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was no Gungan battle, no ability for my team

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to animate hundreds of characters back then.

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It just didn't exist. I remember there was one

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line in the script that said something along

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the lines of, the Gungan army walks out to battle.

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That was six months of work, that one sentence.

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You were like, holy, enter expletive here. How

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do we do that? And that was one sentence out

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of a hundred page script. So they had to go about

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using the most current software systems they

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could find. They had to develop all these new

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techniques, find all the possible tools to make

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this dream come to life. From a technological

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standpoint, this film is an incredible marvel.

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It's seriously mind -blowing. Diving into all

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of the nitty -gritty of what they had to do and

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develop and create to make this movie happen

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is honestly shocking. Just incredible. I'm going

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to say incredible like a million times because

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it is. The most important thing, kind of in my

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opinion, about this film and how it came to be

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is that everything is Lucas's brainchild. This

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film, how it was designed, how it was shot, how

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it was written, edited, everything is exactly

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what George Lucas wanted. And in a world where

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films are often made with too many cooks in the

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kitchen, or a studio can squash a writer's script

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intentions, or the design elements in the story

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are at war with each other, honestly, I think

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that's a really beautiful thing. So that's kind

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of how this film in particular came to be, which

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is really interesting. There's several points

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here. First one about Jar Jar Binks. Everybody

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was so... excited on the during the production

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of star wars about jar jar binks character they

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thought he was going to kill like they thought

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he was just going to be the most amazing thing

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there was uh i think it was ahmed best hit uh

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jar jar binks's character that was like hey can

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i keep such and such part from jar jar and they

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were like no this is going to be in the smithsonian

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that's how like That's how much they believed

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in that character, that this is going to end

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up in the Smithsonian. And it actually still

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could, because it was the first CGI character,

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but it didn't... Obviously, we'll get to Jar

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Jar in a bit in terms of how he works in the

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story, but not super well received, it turns

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out. Second, it's really... It's clear from reading

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a lot of histories on George Lucas and Star Wars

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and, you know, the... The previous trilogy, the

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original trilogy, is a lot of like, okay, Lucas

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directs, but Fox doesn't really believe in him

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as a director, so they bring in directors for

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the next two movies. He turns in the script,

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and they like the overall story, but they get

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script editors. Specifically, his wife at the

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time also handles a lot of the scripts. So it's

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like George Lucas' idea is then taken and then

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turned into something else for most of those

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movies. So it's really interesting to see him

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here. doing what he's most interested in. Because

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what he's most interested in is the technological

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side of moviemaking, pushing the boundaries.

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And it's awesome. He brings a ton, a ton of different

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technologies to life. And that was true of the

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original. ILM, Industrial Lights and Magic, is

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one of the premier CGI special effects companies.

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Movies... are made because of those guys that

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came together in the 1970s to put together a

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new hope and then empire and return and they

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branch out and they do all these amazing things

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and you still see ilm all over the place for

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all sorts of different movies so he's just like

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he's it seems like lucas is more interested in

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like what can i bring to life through the technology

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standpoint and less so like the story components

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um which i think is why that turns out the way

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it does fascinating great research Why, thank

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you. I thank you. So what was the critics' reaction?

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Mixed, at best. So 54 % on Rotten Tomatoes. And

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that includes a couple of different bring -back

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-to -movie theaters. So there's just a new release

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of critics who've done it since they put Phantom

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Menace back in, I think, a year ago or something

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of that nature, around 2024. So 54 % on Rotten

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Tomatoes. And even at the time when it first

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was released, it was... Uh, not super beloved.

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Here's some of the negative reactions. NPR's

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Tom Shales said that, quote, the new Star Wars

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movie is a menace. It's not about storytelling.

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It's not about people. It's about effects and

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technology. It's a computer movie through and

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through. By computers and maybe for computers.

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Which is... Quite devastating. But also, it's

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really interesting reviewing Phantom Menace now.

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We're recording in 2025. It's really interesting

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reviewing now with all of his AI questions about

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what should technology do versus George Lucas

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is out here going, here's what technology can

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do. Kind of suck at critics. Fellow NPR critic

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Bob Mondolo said, what could he as in George

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Lucas? have been thinking. You say to yourself

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as he introduces a race of idol -worshipping

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primitives who speak in Caribbean accents and

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behave like refugees from Amos and Andy. Again,

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like, really direct call -out of some of the

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problematic aspects. But he called it out in,

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like, 1999, in 2000. Yeah. It was called out

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then. Peter Travers of the Rolling Stones says,

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the actors are wallpaper. The jokes are juvenile.

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There's no romance. Well, there might be. be

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a little romance that makes everybody uncomfortable

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um and back to his quote and the dialogue lands

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with a thud of computer instruction manuals and

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he says and as of lucas's directing skills his

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uh he says quote his work with actors still belongs

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to the don't demote just stand there school jay

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hoberman of the village voice wrote star wars

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episode one the phantom menace may be the first

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movie to peak before its opening The movie requires

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scarcely more than six minutes to wear thin.

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There is nothing in this noisy, over -designed

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bore to equal the excitement generated by the

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mere idea of the trailer, which is kind of scorched

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earth. Yikes. And if you remember, Sierra, do

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you remember the poster? The poster is still

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my favorite thing out of Phantom Menace. Yes,

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I do mention the poster. We're going to get to

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the poster. The poster was so iconic. It was

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so good. The poster, we're going to get there,

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but just to explain to everybody, the poster

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was Anakin Skywalker standing with his little,

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like, tattooing home behind him. Like, Luke's

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tattooing home, really. It didn't end up being

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his. With his shadow being Vader. And it was

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like... Yeah. the like the chills that you would

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get at i still like really remember this and

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i was seven we were seven like i remember walking

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by the movie theater and it beat like i remember

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exactly what the wall looked like outside where

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that poster was hanging like that's how vivid

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this this is and i think i think my brother even

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wanted to take a picture in front of it or something

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yeah on like you know i think we were running

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around with little little point and snap uh disposable

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cameras he wanted to take a picture i'm sure

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i could i don't know maybe i could find it somewhere

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but i i feel like that was it was so big In my

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family. That's like one of the movie posters.

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I have several movie posters that I would like

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to own over my life. That's one of them that

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I just... It's... Ugh. Anyways. There was some

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positivity, however, with the critics. Janet

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Maslin of the New York Times wrote, Just as Star

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Wars became one of the most widely imitated pop

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phenomenon of its time, The Phantom Menace looks

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like a template for a new generation of computer

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-generated science fiction. And unlike The Matrix,

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which, by the way, viewers or listeners had just

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come out, Back to the quote, another film liable

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to spawn imitations, it is sweetly, unfashionably

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benign. Whether dreaming up blow -dryer -headed

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soldiers who move in lifelike formation, or a

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planet made entirely of skyscrapers, Mr. Lucas

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still champions wondrous visions over bleak ones,

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and sustains his love of escapist fun. There's

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no better tour guide for a trip to other worlds.

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Bon voyage. Michael Deed Reed of the Victoria

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Times Colonist wrote, What The Phantom Menace

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lacks in compelling dialogue, and it's a lot,

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and character development, it makes up for in

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industrial lights and magic's technical wizardry,

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as our heroes undergo a series of alternately

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humorous and hair -raising adventures. And most

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wildly was this critic's positive review of the

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movie that has not aged well. This is from Andrew

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O 'Hagan from The Telegraph. He says, Jar Jar

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Binks is the new star. He raps like a Jamaican

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gangster and walks like one of the kids from

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the fame. He is already limbering up in his computer

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-generated way to be a long -serving Jedi chum

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in the manner of the howling, hairy Chewbacca.

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Also, pause for a second. How dare he! Jar Jar

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is pretty useless as a mate. He can't fix stuff

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and he's always getting into bother, but he lends

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a load of schlepping good humor. Wild. A wild

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take. Which, to be fair, I think all of us that

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were around that age, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, did love

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Jar Jar, and were kind of crushed at the, like...

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Wait, it's not cool to like Jar Jar? What do

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you mean, older sibling, older cousin, like church

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friend? What are you talking about? Jar Jar's

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great. It's so, so true. He will soon be as loved

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as Winnie the Pooh. Oh boy, are you wrong? Yes.

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But that brings us to the fan reaction. A little

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bit different, but a lot the same. As much as

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people will deny it now, fans were so excited

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about the movie leading up to its coming out

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and when it came out, especially those of us

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who were not alive to see the original trilogy

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in theaters. This was our Star Wars. Kids were

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thrilled about the pod racing, excited by lightsaber

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dueling, enthralled with the idea of Darth Maul,

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the duel of the fates. I mean, come on, a double

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bladed saber. Like, could you get more exciting

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than that? No. I personally remember playing

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pod racing with my brother around the house,

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gasping with shock in the theater when Maul's

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second blade was revealed. I still get goosebumps

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to this day when I was watching it the other

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day. Goosebumps still. And we fought over who

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got to be who during the paper towel roll lightsaber

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fights. The months before the film came out.

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Absolutely filled with promotional material that

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hyped everybody up. We knew Qui -Gon's lightsaber

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was green. We knew Obi -Wan was this other Jedi.

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Oh my gosh, is it the same Kenobi? That excitement.

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The same Obi -Wan that we knew. Darth Maul obviously

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was going to be so awesome. We knew who Anakin

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was. The plot of the film was going to center

00:22:42.450 --> 00:22:45.769
around him. Seriously, think about that poster

00:22:45.769 --> 00:22:49.500
again. Iconic poster. Jake Lloyd with the Darth

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Vader shadow. Just amazing. There was so much

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merch already out. People were already listening

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to Duel of the Fates. The initial viewing of

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the film in theaters was greeted with enthusiasm

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and it absolutely shattered box office records.

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Shortly after the release, though, the excitement

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was tainted. Fans in general liked the film.

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However, older fans felt maybe it had been made

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a little too childishly. Possibly it was geared

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towards the wrong audience. George Lucas has

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commented on this, stating, The films were designed

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for 12 -year -olds. I said this right from the

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very, very beginning and the very first interviews

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I did for A New Hope. It's just that they were

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so popular with everybody that everybody forgot

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that. So... You know, there's also concern that

00:23:45.130 --> 00:23:50.730
Ahmed Best's performance was problematic. A lot

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of that was also picked up by the critic reception.

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Older fans kind of hated Jar Jar in general,

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which, as George Lucas has mentioned, people

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also hated 3PO when he first came out on the

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scene so much so that in the second one, they...

00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.039
purposefully make fun of him uh to show how annoying

00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:14.140
he is and you know nobody liked the ewoks either

00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:17.599
unless they were unless they were also children

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so but younger fans still wish they could pod

00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:23.779
race listened to the weird two weird owls the

00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:26.660
saga begins on repeat do i still know sections

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of it and sing it instead of american pie to

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this day yes absolutely Since then, younger fans

00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:37.579
want to join in the hate. The internet took over.

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One person's opinion became widespread in a way

00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:43.819
that didn't exist in the original series, which

00:24:43.819 --> 00:24:47.460
is kind of a shame. Internet, not always the

00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:51.819
best, but it's great. We, you know, all of us

00:24:51.819 --> 00:24:53.819
younger fans, we kind of watched it again. We

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noticed potentially weird things like Padme.

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Remember, she's supposed to be 14. Flirting with

00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.099
a nine -year -old? It's not as bad as it does

00:25:04.099 --> 00:25:08.019
appear. But, eh. Trade Federation, stereotype

00:25:08.019 --> 00:25:10.700
-leaning, the Gungans in general, problematic.

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.680
We decided that all of these things made the

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film bad. However, I do find that recently, maybe

00:25:17.740 --> 00:25:21.759
the last five, ten years or so, fans are coming

00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.920
back around. There are bad things, but overall,

00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.500
Star Wars is weird. Like, when you really get

00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:30.410
down to it, Star Wars is weird. this film is

00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:32.829
weird and that's kind of okay. We can take it

00:25:32.829 --> 00:25:34.970
at face value. We can acknowledge its faults.

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We can still love the whole in spite of some

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of its parts. And as Ahmed Best, you know, Jar

00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:44.190
Jar Binks himself said, as soon as the movie

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came out and all of that started coming down,

00:25:47.009 --> 00:25:50.549
all the critic reactions and whatnot, George

00:25:50.549 --> 00:25:52.930
called me and we talked about it. Ironically,

00:25:52.930 --> 00:25:55.910
he said, 20 years from now, this is all going

00:25:55.910 --> 00:25:58.349
to go away. Nobody's going to remember or think

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.150
about it this way. And he was right. He was right.

00:26:02.190 --> 00:26:05.150
Great foresight. You know, it's interesting.

00:26:05.390 --> 00:26:07.690
Ewan McGregor also talked about this when the

00:26:07.690 --> 00:26:09.329
Obi -Wan show was coming out. And he was like,

00:26:09.390 --> 00:26:11.789
it's just great. Because, you know, we kind of,

00:26:11.809 --> 00:26:13.890
all these actors sort of started shying away

00:26:13.890 --> 00:26:16.650
from being like, yeah, I'm in Star Wars. And

00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:19.349
then 20 years later, it's just the kids grew

00:26:19.349 --> 00:26:21.690
up. You and I grew up having loved this movie.

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And it was the kids in 1977 that had grown up

00:26:25.509 --> 00:26:28.009
and decided. Oh, this stinks. And to be fair,

00:26:28.069 --> 00:26:31.430
A New Hope is much more for the everybody as

00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:35.230
compared to Phantom Menace, which has a literal

00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:40.569
child in it. And got some of the same flack that

00:26:40.569 --> 00:26:43.269
the Ewoks got in Return of the Jedi, but you

00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:45.789
didn't have the internet back then fanning flames.

00:26:46.029 --> 00:26:48.730
Thank you for the internet overlords for allowing

00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:50.809
our podcast to be here, but to your point, B.

00:26:52.649 --> 00:26:56.650
The Internet is not a great place for echo chambers

00:26:56.650 --> 00:27:00.210
of people, you know, zerping up their own opinions

00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:03.029
because because I kind of don't think this is

00:27:03.029 --> 00:27:04.670
great. And now somebody else has said it. And

00:27:04.670 --> 00:27:06.690
now somebody has said it really emphatically.

00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:08.829
And now I'm armed to the teeth with their argument

00:27:08.829 --> 00:27:10.990
and I can go to battle and we can have vicious

00:27:10.990 --> 00:27:16.369
wars over this. So, yeah, great. All great points.

00:27:16.529 --> 00:27:20.829
So what aged the worst and what aged the best?

00:27:22.460 --> 00:27:25.180
All right, so best, I think we both have as our

00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:27.740
number one option, it's the Duel of Fates sequence.

00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:32.819
It's that climax. 100%. That song does so much

00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:34.519
heavy lifting. In fact, I was just talking to

00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.000
my wife the other day about how much the music,

00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.500
like, does Star Wars take off? Does the original

00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:42.640
Star Wars A New Hope take off without the music?

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And it's like, I don't, kind of like with Pirates

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.400
of the Caribbean, I don't think it's as good.

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.400
I don't think it's as received as well. Especially

00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.839
that, da -da -da -da -da, the end. which gives

00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.059
the audience such a feeling of power as you leave.

00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:59.559
The Duel of Fate sequence is just so delicious

00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:01.779
as you're breaking into the four different parts.

00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.680
Very reminiscent of how Return of the Jedi, you

00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.539
split into three different battles and it just

00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:12.200
is a really nice, lovely. And then moment, you

00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.099
get this very sort of like adult battle with

00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:16.900
Obi and Qui -Gon and Maul. And then you get this

00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:18.859
comic relief with the Gungans, which, whatever.

00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.460
And then you get Anakin's, which as a seven -year

00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:23.359
-old kid, I was like, yeah, I want to be in the

00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:26.099
Starfighter pilot blowing things up. Are you

00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:29.960
kidding? So, yeah, we're both agreed on that.

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:33.940
100%. Yes, definitely. Awesome. Worse, I have

00:28:33.940 --> 00:28:36.839
here the use of aliens to depict non -white cultures.

00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:40.000
When Sierra and I ever discuss... Whether or

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.440
not something is racist or there's racism or

00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.119
there's some sort of prejudice behind something,

00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:46.700
we're never going to delve into their intention.

00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.640
So we're not going to speculate on George Lucas's

00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.539
intentions or even address if he intended it

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:54.440
or not. What matters is somebody's impact. And

00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.480
the impact felt by Asian and Caribbean and black

00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.180
communities and Jewish communities is that George

00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:05.039
Lucas sort of oversteps what appears to be a

00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.250
use of. Alien species represent the non -powerful.

00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:14.009
Alien species represent the non -white. And so

00:29:14.009 --> 00:29:18.569
you have East Asian stereotypes with the Trade

00:29:18.569 --> 00:29:21.049
Federation. You've got Jewish stereotypes with

00:29:21.049 --> 00:29:24.750
Watto. You've got, as Sierra and I already talked

00:29:24.750 --> 00:29:27.329
about, the Caribbean effects with Jar Jar Binks

00:29:27.329 --> 00:29:30.329
and the Gungans. So that has certainly not aged

00:29:30.329 --> 00:29:32.769
well, but an honorable mention you have here

00:29:32.769 --> 00:29:36.269
as well. Yes, honorable mention of not aging

00:29:36.269 --> 00:29:42.529
well goes to the CGI on Jabba the Hutt. He just,

00:29:42.609 --> 00:29:44.690
he looks like they just created him and then

00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:46.569
just kind of dropped him in there and he's not

00:29:46.569 --> 00:29:51.359
as big as he should be. And it just. It feels

00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.099
very out of place. It does. And it's not quite

00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:57.900
the same as the extended special editions when

00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.380
he's put in A New Hope. And he's definitely not

00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:03.160
his Return of the Jedi sort of gross, oozing,

00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.319
nasty self. Which, that topic's for another day.

00:30:07.940 --> 00:30:10.099
Yes, it is. All right. So that ends the reality

00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:12.680
check. And keep your fingers on the pause button

00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:16.380
and rewind that tape. It's time for The Prestige.

00:30:18.589 --> 00:30:21.150
For those of you, if you are tuning in for the

00:30:21.150 --> 00:30:23.410
first time, Sierra and I have done a mini pod

00:30:23.410 --> 00:30:26.569
that you can look under the title categories

00:30:26.569 --> 00:30:29.869
explained. So that's why we have them named the

00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:33.250
way we do. So the prestige category is all about

00:30:33.250 --> 00:30:37.289
what did we notice this time watching? First

00:30:37.289 --> 00:30:42.069
and foremost, on my mind. Why are the droids,

00:30:42.109 --> 00:30:46.150
the astrobot droids, shrieking in terror? Who

00:30:46.150 --> 00:30:51.009
would code them like that? Well, I get, like,

00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:53.170
you know, you have to have something. You want

00:30:53.170 --> 00:30:56.109
to feel a little bit of empathy. You're trying

00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:58.549
to make sure that you're connecting with R2.

00:30:58.650 --> 00:31:02.359
But yeah, honestly. Why would anybody make a

00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.799
droid, like, sound like they feel pain? And it

00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.099
made more sense in A New Hope to me when Vader

00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:11.380
shoots R2, because all of his stuff gets haywire,

00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:14.680
right? Like, he kind of, like, busts the system,

00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:16.599
but he's still alive. And so he's just, like,

00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:19.400
making mechanical noises. Exactly. But, like...

00:31:19.950 --> 00:31:22.849
these droids are just completely smashed and

00:31:22.849 --> 00:31:26.109
their vocal boxes can still work they just are

00:31:26.109 --> 00:31:29.369
like shrieking and it's kind of like i think

00:31:29.369 --> 00:31:31.769
it's in i think it's in the next film one of

00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:34.970
the droids in space goes uh -oh and like i just

00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:38.609
i can't who would who's coding these droids to

00:31:38.609 --> 00:31:44.079
say uh -oh in space Like, why are you coding

00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.880
astromech droids who are just these helpful little

00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.599
house keepers that just go about being, like,

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:54.019
little Roombas, but for mechanical stuff? Who's

00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:56.700
coding them to, like, at the end of its life,

00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.319
it gets blasted. Make sure it screams. Jeez.

00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:07.160
Horrible. Horrible. Oh, gosh. Oh. On a little

00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.660
bit of a lighter note than that, also in preparation

00:32:11.660 --> 00:32:14.980
for this podcast, we read Master and Apprentice

00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:18.299
by Claudia Gray, which is kind of a prequel with

00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:21.359
Qui -Gon Jinn and Obi -Wan Kenobi. Getting to

00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.019
know a little bit more about their relationship.

00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:26.779
And I just have to say, it's a good thing Qui

00:32:26.779 --> 00:32:30.220
-Gon taught Obi -Wan how to swim. Because in

00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:33.500
that book, he does not know how to swim. I should

00:32:33.500 --> 00:32:35.559
teach you. Literally Qui -Gon says. I should

00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.880
teach you. Yes. I should teach you to swim. Very,

00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.440
very good point, because they would not have

00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.680
reached the Gungan city. No, no, we would be,

00:32:47.740 --> 00:32:51.000
Obi -Wan would be dead. He would be exactly what

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.460
he said to Jar Jar Binks. He would be blasted

00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:57.759
into smithereens. And if none of you have read

00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.700
Master and Apprentice, it's a really fun novel.

00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:01.920
I think it's one of our favorite Star Wars novels,

00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.279
period. It's a great sort of look into Obi -Wan's

00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.359
relationship with Qui -Gon and how their inner

00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.859
workings as Master and Apprentice work. Go figure,

00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.619
it's the name of the book. But it also has these

00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:17.720
little lovely sort of nods to Phantom Menace,

00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.660
which ends up, if you're just reading the story

00:33:19.660 --> 00:33:21.940
chronologically, sort of, you know, coming back.

00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:24.000
Oh, hey, I should teach you how to swim. oh,

00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.519
Qui -Gon's really into prophecy. He actually

00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.259
believes in these Jedi prophets and what they

00:33:30.259 --> 00:33:32.900
said, and he takes them literally, and so he

00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:35.799
can actually look for a chosen one. And so that's

00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:37.559
something that I noticed throughout this, is

00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.259
how much that novel does a lot of heavy lifting

00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:43.539
to provide rationale as to why Qui -Gon is the

00:33:43.539 --> 00:33:46.900
way he is, which is just great. Yeah. And why

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:50.819
Obi -Wan is the way he is as well, and why he

00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:54.710
does eventually agree to. take anakin on yeah

00:33:54.710 --> 00:33:59.410
um yeah just it's phenomenal yeah it really is

00:33:59.410 --> 00:34:01.609
definitely a good read if you want to dive deeper

00:34:01.609 --> 00:34:06.390
into them uh another noticing here karen knightley

00:34:06.390 --> 00:34:12.230
aka the uncredited decoy queen she's her character

00:34:12.230 --> 00:34:15.530
is power hungry so as soon as as soon as there's

00:34:15.530 --> 00:34:19.170
like a really hard job to do which is Okay, so

00:34:19.170 --> 00:34:22.550
R2 -D2 is covered in the remnants of his screaming

00:34:22.550 --> 00:34:25.449
astromech droids, plus some of the ship's grease

00:34:25.449 --> 00:34:28.969
and oil and stuff. And he gets brought back in,

00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:30.889
and at the very end of when they've commended

00:34:30.889 --> 00:34:34.090
the droid, which also, cool that you are aware

00:34:34.090 --> 00:34:36.949
enough to commend a droid, that's awesome. Right.

00:34:38.289 --> 00:34:40.670
Keira Knightley as the Queen is like, Padme,

00:34:40.869 --> 00:34:45.739
clean him up! Padme! Padme! Keira Knightley's

00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:48.420
character knows that Padme's the actual queen.

00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.360
Like, it's just, it's so delicious. It's so good.

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.420
And I noticed this time the other handmaidens

00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:57.320
1000 % smirk at each other when this happens.

00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.139
And I'm honestly here for it. Little details

00:35:00.139 --> 00:35:04.179
that are just so great. Yes. Yes. The first time

00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:08.219
watching, I was totally fooled. Like, as a kid,

00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:10.590
I was fooled. I thought... I did not realize

00:35:10.590 --> 00:35:14.590
that there was a decoy queen and Padme and the

00:35:14.590 --> 00:35:17.550
whole thing. Watching it again, it's so obvious.

00:35:18.309 --> 00:35:23.610
Like, I cannot. The voice. Yeah. Maybe if I closed

00:35:23.610 --> 00:35:27.469
my eyes, I could be fooled again. Yeah. But it's

00:35:27.469 --> 00:35:29.969
so obvious to me that it's Kira and not Natalie.

00:35:30.289 --> 00:35:33.449
It's the brow for me. It's the way that the brow

00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:34.369
settles into the cheeks. It's the face shape

00:35:34.369 --> 00:35:37.739
for me. Yeah. It's just the general face shape.

00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:40.920
Keira Knightley's face is just a little bit rounder

00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.380
in the bottom half. And she looks a little bit

00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:48.199
younger, too. She is. I can't remember. I'm pretty

00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.420
sure she was a few years younger. Because she's

00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:56.239
17 when Pirates comes out. Right. So, yeah, that's

00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:57.800
interesting. You know, their parents couldn't

00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.440
tell them apart during the movies. Both Keira

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.570
Knightley and Natalie Portman said. that they

00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:04.670
they literally could not tell who is who on like

00:36:04.670 --> 00:36:06.230
the first watch i think obviously if they were

00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:09.309
looking yeah they would they would probably be

00:36:09.309 --> 00:36:13.630
able to know yeah yeah okay also fun fact uh

00:36:13.630 --> 00:36:15.989
if you guys are all like who's karen knightley

00:36:15.989 --> 00:36:18.150
again karen knightley is from pride and prejudice

00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:21.190
and pirates of the caribbean so if you're like

00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:23.650
what she's in that movie i why didn't i know

00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:27.429
that she's uncredited yeah so that would be why

00:36:27.429 --> 00:36:31.449
you don't know um which is wild Yeah, I... Because

00:36:31.449 --> 00:36:36.909
she has a lot of lines. I know! I believe...

00:36:36.909 --> 00:36:39.250
Okay, so this is entirely just off my memory,

00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:41.429
so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I believe it

00:36:41.429 --> 00:36:43.670
was because she was trying to be protective of

00:36:43.670 --> 00:36:46.269
what type of things she was credited on, so that

00:36:46.269 --> 00:36:48.750
producers wouldn't be like, oh, she's like a

00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.789
genre person, like she only does sci -fi. um

00:36:51.789 --> 00:36:54.309
instead of and so that way she was up from and

00:36:54.309 --> 00:36:56.170
then she went and does a pirate movie so i'm

00:36:56.170 --> 00:36:58.469
not really sure uh maybe i'm wrong on that maybe

00:36:58.469 --> 00:37:00.610
they wouldn't credit her she went and did pirates

00:37:00.610 --> 00:37:03.170
and then like almost immediately did pride and

00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:05.610
prejudice well i think it was the second pirates

00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:08.010
and then pride and prejudice came out and love

00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:11.590
actually right but but specifically with pride

00:37:11.590 --> 00:37:13.849
and prejudice and pirates which one day we'll

00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:16.469
we'll dive into pirates and it'll be great and

00:37:16.469 --> 00:37:19.119
i'll bring this up again but I was reading an

00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.420
interview where she was saying that it was a

00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.719
very confusing time in her life because everybody

00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.780
was critiquing her acting ability in Pirates

00:37:26.780 --> 00:37:28.760
of the Caribbean, the second one, and was saying

00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:30.760
that she was just so horrible and it was really

00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.860
bad acting and all that. And at the exact same

00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:35.019
time, she was being nominated for an Oscar for

00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:37.880
Pride and Prejudice. So it's like, wait, hold

00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.199
on. Am I really good or am I really bad? And

00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.980
Natalie Portman gets lambasted for Attack of

00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:46.579
the Clones, but love for V for Vendetta. So people

00:37:46.579 --> 00:37:50.239
are just stupid. Yeah. It turns out probably

00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:51.940
with actors. You both are great ladies. With

00:37:51.940 --> 00:37:55.840
actors, it's because it's a movie, right? It's

00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.199
all down to director, cinematographer, music.

00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:01.119
Like it's the whole package every time. Denzel

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.320
Washington gives this just, just so that we,

00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.989
I know we're. We're already sort of sidestepping.

00:38:05.989 --> 00:38:08.070
But Denzel Washington gives this great point.

00:38:09.090 --> 00:38:11.889
Movies are a filmmaker's medium, not an acting

00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:14.030
medium. Because he's like, you can be giving

00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:18.130
the best speech of your life. And the director,

00:38:18.289 --> 00:38:21.570
he says in a different way, the director can

00:38:21.570 --> 00:38:28.500
be zooming in on your foot. It's a filmmaker's

00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:30.960
medium, not an acting medium. Anyways, moving

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.179
forward. It is a fun dynamic that we get Naboo,

00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.699
which has two different sentient species that

00:38:37.699 --> 00:38:39.599
don't get along but are in a permanent peace.

00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:42.820
And as always with world building, I will always

00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:45.940
want more. But I still think that there's room

00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:48.340
in this film for a little bit more of the humanity

00:38:48.340 --> 00:38:51.619
aspect of these two things. But the movie's really

00:38:51.619 --> 00:38:54.559
not about human aspects. It's more about... exploring

00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.280
the past of Anakin and getting there as quickly

00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.840
as possible. So it would have been cool to explore

00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.599
that much. And speaking of Anakin, another thing

00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.599
I just always think about with this movie, and

00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.760
I think about this in general with the prequels,

00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.119
because at the end of the day, with all the big

00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:16.280
beats of the story, I actually have no problem.

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.900
I actually really like the big beats of the whole

00:39:19.900 --> 00:39:22.969
prequel. right it's when we get down to the exploration

00:39:22.969 --> 00:39:26.090
of how those beats are delivered to us that this

00:39:26.090 --> 00:39:29.030
kind of the the movies have a lot more faults

00:39:29.030 --> 00:39:32.150
but like yeah you take vader as a nine -year

00:39:32.150 --> 00:39:34.949
-old kid and make him super innocent and super

00:39:34.949 --> 00:39:37.670
trusting and really wanted to be a good guy to

00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:40.130
show the juxtaposition as to what he becomes

00:39:40.130 --> 00:39:42.489
when we first meet him choking people out in

00:39:42.489 --> 00:39:45.869
conference rooms and killing you know uh political

00:39:45.869 --> 00:39:50.010
prisoners like captain antilles and That's awesome.

00:39:50.429 --> 00:39:55.590
It's just very frustrating to see the way in

00:39:55.590 --> 00:39:58.269
which the points are delivered are not manifested

00:39:58.269 --> 00:40:02.489
in the best way possible. But moving back to

00:40:02.489 --> 00:40:06.530
Anakin, I find it just so interesting that he

00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:10.909
was like, you know what? It's not that Vader

00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.829
was at a low point and therefore was a low character

00:40:14.829 --> 00:40:18.809
person. Right? It's that he was at the lowest

00:40:18.809 --> 00:40:21.889
point you could be, and he still has the love

00:40:21.889 --> 00:40:23.929
and optimism of the light side. And I find that

00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:28.869
just a wonderful idea for this movie. Yeah. A

00:40:28.869 --> 00:40:31.610
random thought that I had. Mind tricks don't

00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:35.289
work on Toydarians, which got me in a whole tailspin

00:40:35.289 --> 00:40:38.250
of, well, who else do they not work on? Why Toydari

00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:41.949
- Hoidarians in particular, a list would probably

00:40:41.949 --> 00:40:44.929
be helpful so that Jedi don't get embarrassed

00:40:44.929 --> 00:40:49.590
when trying to mind trick a species that can't

00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:53.710
be. I think that the Jedi probably know in general

00:40:53.710 --> 00:40:57.090
which species do or do not are amenable to. I

00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:59.130
think every species, there are definitely people

00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:02.250
that can or cannot though. And I think it's just

00:41:02.250 --> 00:41:06.150
Watto is just being like self -important and...

00:41:06.730 --> 00:41:09.590
And egotistical and stuff. I think you could

00:41:09.590 --> 00:41:11.889
probably find a Tordarian that you could Jedi

00:41:11.889 --> 00:41:16.070
mind trick. Probably. But kind of on that note,

00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:18.409
like, it's a really great intro to so many different

00:41:18.409 --> 00:41:21.070
species that all live in kind of these outer

00:41:21.070 --> 00:41:24.170
rim planets. And I do wish that we got a little

00:41:24.170 --> 00:41:28.150
bit more non -human main characters. Yeah. Because

00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:31.789
it's really just Jar Jar. Jar Jar. And then Anakin's

00:41:31.789 --> 00:41:41.179
Rodian friend. Yeah. Yay! Woohoo! Yeah. So I

00:41:41.179 --> 00:41:43.260
do wish we got a little bit more of that, which

00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:48.139
would be great. Okay, so I love in this, just

00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:52.400
knowing the reveal of that Padme is the queen,

00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.820
it's just so fun to see Qui -Gon and the way

00:41:55.820 --> 00:41:59.079
that Liam Neeson acts this up. The way he leans

00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.559
over her and will be like, the queen trusts my

00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.050
judgment. You should too. It's so delicious knowing

00:42:07.050 --> 00:42:10.829
that this is the queen. And then it's so satisfying

00:42:10.829 --> 00:42:13.130
to see the way that him and Obi -Wan interact

00:42:13.130 --> 00:42:17.070
when the reveal happens on Naboo. Yes, because

00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:20.889
I'm just saying Qui -Gon and Obi -Wan 100 % knew

00:42:20.889 --> 00:42:24.599
that she was the queen. And had a bet on how

00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.639
long it was going to take for her to reveal herself.

00:42:27.139 --> 00:42:30.460
Nothing can change my mind on this. They're satisfied

00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:33.860
little smirks when she reveals and them trying

00:42:33.860 --> 00:42:35.960
to hide their laughter. Very clear. I'm going

00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.000
to try and change your mind a bit. I'm with you

00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.719
on 50 % of it. Qui -Gon Jinn absolutely does

00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.960
this little, like, look over at Obi -Wan. And

00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.460
Obi -Wan, you can tell from his facial expression,

00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:53.219
he's going, oh, shoot. And it's Obi -Wan doesn't

00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:55.280
know and Qui -Gon knows. And that's what makes

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.019
Qui -Gon's treatment of Padme so delicious on

00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:00.380
another rewatch. It's because it's just like,

00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:05.179
he's just like goading Padme into revealing it.

00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.619
He's just playing with his food, basically. No,

00:43:09.619 --> 00:43:12.559
because what it is, is they made a bet on when

00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.559
it was going to happen. And he wanted to win

00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:18.849
the bet. And he won. He won, which is why Obi's

00:43:18.849 --> 00:43:22.289
like, oh, no, because he lost the bet. I don't

00:43:22.289 --> 00:43:24.090
believe it. I don't believe it. I don't believe

00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:29.550
it. No, I do. So, as you know, Star Wars likes

00:43:29.550 --> 00:43:31.409
to meddle with their movies, especially during

00:43:31.409 --> 00:43:34.489
George Lucas from the 90s and 2000s and up to

00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:37.710
when he sells Disney. And so the Disney Plus

00:43:37.710 --> 00:43:39.389
version of Phantom Menace is not the original

00:43:39.389 --> 00:43:45.610
theatrical cut. And my big qualm. It's the pod

00:43:45.610 --> 00:43:51.190
racing scene is too long. Now it's the, when

00:43:51.190 --> 00:43:54.409
it's, when it's the cinematic version, it's perfect.

00:43:55.389 --> 00:43:58.570
And then they go and add all of this extra stuff.

00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:02.630
And like little Sam was like, yeah, give me more

00:44:02.630 --> 00:44:05.489
star Wars. And me rewatching for the, every,

00:44:05.510 --> 00:44:07.849
every time I've rewatched sense of being an adult

00:44:07.849 --> 00:44:10.829
is like, dude, I don't really need to see him

00:44:10.829 --> 00:44:16.369
magnet. his hose back into his pod. And I don't

00:44:16.369 --> 00:44:18.889
need to see all the different little poorly CGI

00:44:18.889 --> 00:44:21.170
thing. Cause it's not quite up to snuff as the

00:44:21.170 --> 00:44:24.269
same CGI. It's like, I'm, I I'm good. I'm good

00:44:24.269 --> 00:44:27.110
on the pod racing scenes too long. I'm fine with

00:44:27.110 --> 00:44:29.730
it. Also Warwick Davis and Greg proof makeup

00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:32.210
for it. I should have known everybody. Sierra

00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:34.690
loves Warwick Davis with all of her heart and

00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:38.889
soul. I do. Like, if it could have been Warwick

00:44:38.889 --> 00:44:40.309
Davis at the altar, she would have married him

00:44:40.309 --> 00:44:43.769
instead, for sure. Okay, no. But that's also

00:44:43.769 --> 00:44:47.050
because he has a very amazing marriage and children

00:44:47.050 --> 00:44:49.630
and life, and I'm not going to mess with that.

00:44:51.349 --> 00:44:55.349
Because, so, yeah. We'll go into the lore on

00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:58.590
partial reason why I love Warwick Davis so much

00:44:58.590 --> 00:45:02.909
on another time. That'll be a great little tangent

00:45:02.909 --> 00:45:07.010
someday. I did find it interesting that the Republic

00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:10.150
still doesn't really exist in the Outer Rim,

00:45:10.329 --> 00:45:13.750
despite kind of all the effort that has been

00:45:13.750 --> 00:45:17.530
made since the High Republic, which is another

00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:20.769
time frame that we'll get into one of these days.

00:45:21.150 --> 00:45:24.449
Not terribly far in the future, but the High

00:45:24.449 --> 00:45:26.690
Republic was kind of this golden age of the Jedi

00:45:26.690 --> 00:45:29.289
and of the Republic and everything was going

00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:32.130
so well and they were doing such amazing things

00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:34.929
and they were. sending a bunch of settlers out

00:45:34.929 --> 00:45:37.150
to the outer rim and, you know, really getting

00:45:37.150 --> 00:45:39.389
people on these planets to start developing them

00:45:39.389 --> 00:45:43.389
and all this trade. And I do, I just find it

00:45:43.389 --> 00:45:45.590
interesting because the high Republic and the

00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:48.630
Jedi and the Republic itself were very involved

00:45:48.630 --> 00:45:52.989
in all of that. And it just seems like nothing

00:45:52.989 --> 00:45:55.530
has changed from the very, very beginning of

00:45:55.530 --> 00:45:57.630
them trying to settle these outer rim planets.

00:45:58.010 --> 00:46:00.780
I know I'm. I'm still kind of just starting on

00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.760
this whole High Republic journey, so potentially

00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.400
it's explained by the time we kind of get through.

00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.059
New books are still coming out. But it doesn't

00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:11.820
seem like it. It seems like maybe there should

00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:16.980
be more of a presence. Yeah. Slavery shouldn't

00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:19.840
exist by now. It's definitely still messy exactly

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.099
how the Republic is enforced, for sure. Yeah.

00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.530
And talking about slavery, Anakin is... twice

00:46:27.530 --> 00:46:32.750
the man luke is when he's 18 like luke is is

00:46:32.750 --> 00:46:37.590
is as we know whiny and kind of like does the

00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:40.769
force exist like i'm ready to learn but anakin

00:46:40.769 --> 00:46:44.070
is a better mechanic he built c -3po he built

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:47.110
his own pod he's a better person he's like willing

00:46:47.110 --> 00:46:49.690
to help instantly luke's like i can't do anything

00:46:49.690 --> 00:46:54.179
obi -wan and Anakin's like, nope, I'm ready to

00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:56.440
help. Here, you want to come to my home? How

00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.199
do I get you guys to get your parts and everything

00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.659
like that? And he's better with the Force early

00:47:00.659 --> 00:47:02.800
on. The whole pod racing scene only happens because

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.639
he's got Force Jedi -like instincts going on.

00:47:05.699 --> 00:47:09.260
Just an amazing note about Anakin. Oh, yeah.

00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.400
Definitely. I do know, like, you know, it's set

00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:14.699
up that he's the only human who can do pod racing

00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:18.579
and therefore all of the instincts and the ability

00:47:18.579 --> 00:47:23.380
to... swerve and know when to go certain places

00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:26.619
and to maneuver around the other racers and you

00:47:26.619 --> 00:47:29.539
know all the fixing that he does to his pod during

00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:32.739
you know during the whole situation I do wish

00:47:32.739 --> 00:47:35.619
like I don't know maybe I'm thinking too much

00:47:35.619 --> 00:47:39.239
of kind of like a magic user instead of a force

00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.940
user but like if there was something that's a

00:47:41.940 --> 00:47:44.800
little bit more clear about his using the force

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.179
specifically during the pod racing other than

00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:52.260
just like He couldn't do any of this if he wasn't

00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:55.900
so strong in the force, because I think especially

00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:58.980
as a kid watching it, it's like, yeah, he's the

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.500
only human. But then it's like, but he's doing

00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:05.599
all these things. And so are all the other like

00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.820
you kind of forget that as the pod racing goes

00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:09.980
on. So I just wish there was like maybe a little

00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:13.579
bit of a moment of like instead of him grabbing

00:48:13.579 --> 00:48:16.159
the thing with a magnet, he uses the force to

00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.780
pull it towards him. Something simple. It is

00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:22.000
interesting. I, one of my main complaints about

00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.980
the prequels is that the force in it often feels

00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:28.980
weightless. Like there's not enough. dramatic

00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:31.559
weight behind it. Versus in the first original

00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:33.980
trilogies, they do a really good job of like,

00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.579
oh, this is the Force. And whether it's a swell

00:48:36.579 --> 00:48:39.420
in music while Luke is looking out at the two

00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:42.199
suns being called by the Force out into the universe,

00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:45.559
or it's Luke literally closing his eyes to make

00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.900
C -3PO float in return, you can still feel the

00:48:49.900 --> 00:48:51.340
weight behind it. And I actually think this is

00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:53.820
something that Disney does better. Because Rey

00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:58.940
in Force Awakens, the moments of like, Her turning

00:48:58.940 --> 00:49:02.320
the Force on Kylo is such a brilliant scene during

00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.360
her interrogation that you feel that weight of

00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:08.059
the Force being used and her using it. And also,

00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.900
earlier, when Poe is being interrogated by Kylo,

00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:16.320
that's a really important moment. And also, I

00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.420
really wish that we got to see that Anakin's

00:49:19.420 --> 00:49:23.480
star pilot moments at the end during the Duel

00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.199
of Fates sequence was more... force than it was

00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.880
accident intentional like yeah like he feels

00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.360
the call to it um we'll talk a little bit about

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.420
later when i have different ideas but uh on to

00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:40.440
your part yes oscar worthy performance moment

00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.039
goes to the tiny corner of our pal patine's mouth

00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.750
yes when he says that uh maybe We will be able

00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:55.269
to sway them to our side. And then she says,

00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:57.730
well, I hope so, and walks away. And then it's

00:49:57.730 --> 00:50:00.670
just this tiny little smirk. It's great. Right

00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:05.530
at the cut. And I literally rewound it and watched

00:50:05.530 --> 00:50:08.170
it about five times because I was like, he does

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:09.869
smirk right there, doesn't he? And it's, yeah,

00:50:09.989 --> 00:50:12.789
it's a split second, but it's perfect. The camera

00:50:12.789 --> 00:50:16.269
loves him. Yes. Something noticed on the rewatch?

00:50:16.949 --> 00:50:22.199
Padme's plan? To get back Naboo is super ruthless.

00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.599
Let's go to the Gungans and let's get them to

00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.320
sacrifice everybody that they have. Your whole

00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.820
army, kill them all so that we have a chance

00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:35.400
to go get Newt Gunray. Like, it's really, like,

00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.639
it's tactical. It works, but it's ruthless. Like,

00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:41.059
let's have an alliance for the first time ever.

00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.260
And also, you guys die. You guys be the decoy.

00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.340
Keira Knightley's like, yeah, you have no idea.

00:50:49.490 --> 00:50:56.190
This is why I made her do the droid. So good.

00:50:57.750 --> 00:51:01.849
Yeah, last two things that really stuck out to

00:51:01.849 --> 00:51:06.250
me, specifically after watching this, after reading

00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:09.960
Mastered Apprentice. Qui -Gon holding on to prophecy

00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.420
with his dying breath, super impactful. And also

00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:18.699
Yoda again being the one against Qui -Gon, which

00:51:18.699 --> 00:51:22.400
no spoilers or anything for Master and Apprentice.

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.039
But go read it. Yes, but go read it. But honestly,

00:51:27.219 --> 00:51:31.000
like those two things just really like hit me

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.619
the significance of it after having a little

00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:37.349
bit more of that backstory. very cool it's just

00:51:37.349 --> 00:51:40.809
it's fascinating to have yoda grandmaster sort

00:51:40.809 --> 00:51:43.929
of in charge of the council be so force averse

00:51:43.929 --> 00:51:46.730
to prophecy and qui -gon being like no i'm actually

00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:50.369
i'm against the council often and i'm willing

00:51:50.369 --> 00:51:53.349
to receive this message from the force it's brilliant

00:51:53.349 --> 00:51:56.230
you know you don't always have to face down a

00:51:56.230 --> 00:51:59.099
horde of angry soldiers by yourself Buckle up,

00:51:59.099 --> 00:52:02.300
Schmissners, because it's time for our Sansa

00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:05.579
is smarter than John category for what is the

00:52:05.579 --> 00:52:08.780
most important character moment of this movie.

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.159
For me, that is a tie between Anakin stating

00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.980
twice that to him, being a Jedi means he can

00:52:17.980 --> 00:52:20.659
come back and free the slaves, specifically his

00:52:20.659 --> 00:52:24.840
mom. And, secondly, Obi -Wan's following through

00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.960
on Qui -Gon's wishes to train Anakin, despite

00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.579
his not believing in the prophecy. Yeah, yeah.

00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.619
I also have Obi, and then closely related, Anakin

00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:37.320
promising his mom that he will come back, and

00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.980
that his thoughts dwell on his mother, which

00:52:38.980 --> 00:52:44.440
set up so much of the rest of the prequels. Mm

00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:48.289
-hmm. Just lost a hand! sierra but listen up

00:52:48.289 --> 00:52:53.570
it's the i am your father category for most iconic

00:52:53.570 --> 00:52:57.010
character moment and are we sure just i know

00:52:57.010 --> 00:52:59.269
it isn't this isn't it but are we sure it's not

00:52:59.269 --> 00:53:05.059
quite gone grabbing jar jar's tongue It's so

00:53:05.059 --> 00:53:10.300
iconic. Don't do that again. I think it's probably

00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:12.679
Obi -Wan cutting Maul in half, beating the high

00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.000
ground, especially now that we know more about

00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.539
the high ground later. But you have different

00:53:16.539 --> 00:53:20.360
thoughts. It's still Maul related, but it's him

00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.659
lighting the second half of his saber. Yeah,

00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.239
I take it back. You're 100 % right. It's that

00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.320
one, and I'm sorry I ever said anything different.

00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:35.679
Yep, exactly. Come to my side. everybody sit

00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:41.860
down it's time for our i am iron man most iconic

00:53:41.860 --> 00:53:46.699
and most important scene category uh most important

00:53:46.699 --> 00:53:50.599
for me uh we will watch your career with great

00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.480
interest yeah i think we've got uh two sides

00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.920
of the same coin it still has to do with like

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.860
you're doing the dark side and i'm doing the

00:53:57.860 --> 00:53:59.900
light side i've got trained the boy obi -wan

00:53:59.900 --> 00:54:02.380
as qui -gon you know pleads with obi to train

00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:04.340
him and he's like of course i will master so

00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:06.260
yeah most important we got two sides of the same

00:54:06.260 --> 00:54:10.360
coin exactly yeah most iconic though duel of

00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.710
the fates it's gotta be It's easy. Even with

00:54:13.710 --> 00:54:15.309
the pacing that includes Anakin accidentally

00:54:15.309 --> 00:54:17.949
destroying the control tower and creating the

00:54:17.949 --> 00:54:21.409
term phantom menacing an enemy. It's incredible.

00:54:22.849 --> 00:54:27.230
Yes, exactly. All right, crack open an encyclopedia.

00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:30.630
It's time for our, as Elijah Wood once said,

00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:34.690
no, how could we have known? category where we

00:54:34.690 --> 00:54:37.190
discuss the most important information disseminated

00:54:37.190 --> 00:54:39.630
to the fandom in this movie and i think we both

00:54:39.630 --> 00:54:42.650
have the same thing for number one it's you got

00:54:42.650 --> 00:54:48.570
it midichlorians which uh we never heard about

00:54:48.570 --> 00:54:52.190
before and uh we continued to hear more about

00:54:52.190 --> 00:54:56.150
later and it still mostly makes sense it's it's

00:54:56.150 --> 00:54:58.030
interesting i once read a quote of a guy who

00:54:58.030 --> 00:55:01.750
was like You know, I watched Star Wars in 1977

00:55:01.750 --> 00:55:05.530
as a kid. For 25 years, I never wondered how

00:55:05.530 --> 00:55:08.050
the Force worked. I don't know why we decided

00:55:08.050 --> 00:55:11.789
to explain how the Force worked. The way I work

00:55:11.789 --> 00:55:14.929
personally, I like the mystery of like a spiritual,

00:55:15.190 --> 00:55:21.130
mythical, metaphorical power that is not explained.

00:55:21.550 --> 00:55:23.909
But then figuring out later down the line that

00:55:23.909 --> 00:55:26.860
George Lucas, like... for his sequel, wanted

00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:29.760
to explore the wills, which are like beings that

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.699
control the force. So he wanted to get into what

00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:35.079
the system is and everything. And I'm like, alright,

00:55:35.219 --> 00:55:38.000
so it's not my cup of tea, but it's fine. I accept

00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.300
it. I'm not like most Star Wars fans who don't

00:55:40.300 --> 00:55:44.420
accept it. I will. Not that most don't. But it's

00:55:44.420 --> 00:55:46.559
just, you know, it was an incredible piece of

00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:48.880
information that was just given. However, there

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.579
is an honorable mention for me and for you. My

00:55:51.579 --> 00:55:54.269
honorable mention is He can see things before

00:55:54.269 --> 00:55:57.429
they happen. It's a Jedi reflex. Now, this is

00:55:57.429 --> 00:56:00.550
interesting because seeing the future in the

00:56:00.550 --> 00:56:03.510
Force, whether it's small or big, is a huge theme

00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:06.570
throughout the sequels. Like, it's what gets

00:56:06.570 --> 00:56:09.510
Anakin's sort of character movement going in

00:56:09.510 --> 00:56:12.550
the second one. And it's what inevitably is used

00:56:12.550 --> 00:56:16.409
to manipulate him into the dark side in the third.

00:56:17.549 --> 00:56:20.510
And Master and Apprentice is all about Qui -Gon's

00:56:20.510 --> 00:56:23.170
relationship with the future and how we see the

00:56:23.170 --> 00:56:25.449
future. And is it the dark side that lets you

00:56:25.449 --> 00:56:27.269
see the future? Or is it the light side? How

00:56:27.269 --> 00:56:31.670
do you see the future without wanting to know

00:56:31.670 --> 00:56:34.090
the future and to control the future? And it's

00:56:34.090 --> 00:56:37.210
just this huge theme throughout these trilogies.

00:56:37.210 --> 00:56:40.050
So that little sentence there, I thought, opened...

00:56:40.050 --> 00:56:43.269
It was your first step into a much larger world.

00:56:45.579 --> 00:56:48.760
Yeah, my honorable mention is honestly just the

00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:53.039
vast world of the Jedi. It really just creates

00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.820
a sense of dread, for me at least, for the next

00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:59.320
films until we end up at New Hope where we go,

00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:04.019
hold on, Obi -Wan and Yoda are the only Jedi

00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:09.000
left. something terrible happened here um and

00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.559
i i think it just really sets up that like wait

00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.460
hold on they have a council and they have all

00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:18.260
these people and we're training new people training

00:57:18.260 --> 00:57:24.719
new jedi and then how do we get here oh no yeah

00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:28.320
absolutely well it's time to keep your horses

00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.179
safe it's the I'm going to make him an offer

00:57:31.179 --> 00:57:36.480
he can't refuse. Category four, best lines. All

00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.780
right. Here's my quickfire. I have a bad feeling

00:57:40.780 --> 00:57:42.619
about this. You can't use it until A New Hope.

00:57:42.739 --> 00:57:45.699
You can't use it as a best line until A New Hope.

00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:49.079
It doesn't count. Yes, I can. It's like the first

00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:53.699
line in the movie. The ability to speak does

00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:55.940
not make you intelligent. I also had that. Yep,

00:57:56.019 --> 00:58:01.239
100%. I have a threefer from Jar Jar, just because

00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.320
these are ones that my dad and I quoted to each

00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.260
other constantly throughout my childhood. Exqueeze

00:58:08.260 --> 00:58:16.139
me. Yeah. Okie day and how rude. Next we have,

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:18.980
I don't care what universe you're from, that's

00:58:18.980 --> 00:58:21.760
gotta hurt. That's the announcer of the pod racing.

00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.000
That's Greg Proops. Greg Proops? Whose line is

00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:30.639
it anyway? Greg Proops. Then, now this is pod

00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:36.579
racing. Now this is pod racing. Yeah, I have

00:58:36.579 --> 00:58:39.300
There's Always a Bigger Fish, which is, I think,

00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:42.659
quoted by even not Star Wars fans at this point.

00:58:44.179 --> 00:58:46.920
Honorable mentions for me go to The Ability to

00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.059
Speak Does Not Make You Intelligent, same as

00:58:49.059 --> 00:58:54.239
you. A very good -hearted one. Mom, you say the

00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.840
biggest problem in this universe is no one helps

00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.599
each other. Thank you, Anakin. I can't wait for

00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:03.820
you to kill lots of people as Darth Vader. And

00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:06.920
then this one is just one that our expert Garrett

00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.219
Fielding and I quote all the time to each other

00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:13.099
when we're, you know, sanding a table down or

00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:16.360
fixing a computer or getting the N64 to work

00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.780
back so we can play Super Smash Bros. It's working!

00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:27.519
It's working! That's gonna do it for best lines.

00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.960
And it's time to board the TARDIS, because we're

00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.559
going to explore what -ifs with our Get Out category.

00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:39.960
What if Qui -Gon had lived to train Anakin? I

00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.000
think that's the only what -if really worth talking

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.659
about. I mean, there's a bunch of, like, what

00:59:44.659 --> 00:59:48.030
if Boss Nass doesn't... join them. And all of

00:59:48.030 --> 00:59:51.650
the what -ifs are like, they die. This one is

00:59:51.650 --> 00:59:56.570
like, it's so... Anakin needs a father figure,

00:59:56.710 --> 00:59:58.909
not a brother figure, which is what Obi -Wan

00:59:58.909 --> 01:00:02.590
ends up becoming. And I think with... You are

01:00:02.590 --> 01:00:06.989
my brother, Anakin! No! He needed a father! And

01:00:06.989 --> 01:00:11.010
Qui -Gon is, you know, he's able to push against.

01:00:11.659 --> 01:00:14.219
the council in old canon, which we'll talk about

01:00:14.219 --> 01:00:18.300
in, in our Qui -Gon lore galore. He had a wife,

01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.480
he was married. He had a relationship outside

01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.619
of what the Jedi council technically approved

01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:26.460
of, which is the reason why they wouldn't put

01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:29.219
them on the council for the legends canon. He

01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:31.519
knew all of this things that he could help Anakin

01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:35.119
breathe through and understand and see how you

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.380
can have a universal sense of love without an

01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:41.260
attachment, how you can have a marriage. without

01:00:41.260 --> 01:00:45.980
being exclusionary. And it's just like, he is...

01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:48.659
What's the Dark Knight line? He's the master

01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:52.900
that Anakin deserved but never got. And Obi -Wan

01:00:52.900 --> 01:00:57.440
is the... Oh. No, it's... He's the master that

01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.800
he needed but didn't deserve. Yeah, he's the

01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.380
master he needed but didn't deserve. And Obi

01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.739
is the master that he deserved but didn't need.

01:01:04.059 --> 01:01:08.239
Mm. Mm -hmm. Yeah, I think Anakin turns out quite

01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.420
differently. If Qui -Gon is there to train them.

01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.519
Because I think they're a little bit more similar.

01:01:14.619 --> 01:01:19.599
Whereas Obi -Wan is a force to be rebelled against.

01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.239
Instead of Qui -Gon, who they could kind of rebel

01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:27.900
together. And have someone to lead him through

01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:35.219
everything. Yeah. Alas. Earwax. Next category,

01:01:35.619 --> 01:01:39.590
everyone off the stage. Cue Gandalf. Questions.

01:01:39.590 --> 01:01:42.170
Questions that need answering. I love that. Questions.

01:01:42.449 --> 01:01:47.269
Questions that need answering. Okay, should the

01:01:47.269 --> 01:01:50.369
movies have started with an older Anakin? That's

01:01:50.369 --> 01:01:52.190
nothing against Anakin's actor, Jake Lloyd, who

01:01:52.190 --> 01:01:55.010
was treated exceptionally poorly and has dealt

01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:58.150
with severe mental illnesses ever since the movie

01:01:58.150 --> 01:02:01.329
came out and he was just lambasted and people...

01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:03.840
did terrible things, said terrible things about

01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:06.800
a minor. We are not a fan of that at Fandom to

01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.659
Random. But in terms of story, is it stronger

01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:12.860
if he's Luke's age? That's my main question.

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:16.260
Not that I'm George Lucas or deserve to be in

01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:18.139
charge of Star Wars, but I would start with an

01:02:18.139 --> 01:02:20.840
older Anakin for sure. I don't know. I think

01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:25.070
finding him where he is and... Getting to see

01:02:25.070 --> 01:02:27.630
him as a child with a childlike wonder and all

01:02:27.630 --> 01:02:30.230
that, I think it just makes the juxtaposition

01:02:30.230 --> 01:02:33.389
of who he turns into that much stronger. Because

01:02:33.389 --> 01:02:38.889
I find that with Luke, I mean, obviously, you

01:02:38.889 --> 01:02:41.610
know, characters, the actors aren't necessarily

01:02:41.610 --> 01:02:45.250
the same age as the characters are portraying

01:02:45.250 --> 01:02:53.690
Padme concerns. But I think that with Luke's.

01:02:54.090 --> 01:02:58.809
In experience, he comes across too kiddy for

01:02:58.809 --> 01:03:01.630
how old he's supposed to be. You know, we talk

01:03:01.630 --> 01:03:04.409
about how he's whiny and things like that. I

01:03:04.409 --> 01:03:09.230
think that being able to see Anakin not being

01:03:09.230 --> 01:03:14.190
that whiny as a child helps us understand who

01:03:14.190 --> 01:03:17.909
he becomes. And I think it really solidifies

01:03:17.909 --> 01:03:22.630
the relationship with his mom. Because I think

01:03:22.630 --> 01:03:25.809
that if he's taken from his mom as a teenager

01:03:25.809 --> 01:03:29.690
instead of as a kid, he might not have the same

01:03:29.690 --> 01:03:33.030
attachment. Because you tend to grow away from

01:03:33.030 --> 01:03:35.570
your parents and then potentially come back towards

01:03:35.570 --> 01:03:37.389
your parents as you get older. I still think

01:03:37.389 --> 01:03:40.349
there's a way to write in a big mama's boy as

01:03:40.349 --> 01:03:44.150
a 20 -year -old, 19 -year -old kid. Yeah, but

01:03:44.150 --> 01:03:46.679
I don't think it has the same impact. I agree

01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:49.559
that you lose the juxtaposition of adult Vader

01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.059
versus nine -year -old, like, angel child. But

01:03:53.059 --> 01:03:56.880
I do wonder if, and now we've seen several movies,

01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:59.599
like Logan comes to mind, where you've seen young

01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:03.139
kids. in dramatic roles that really hit in a

01:04:03.139 --> 01:04:05.699
big fandom movie. Obviously there's been like

01:04:05.699 --> 01:04:07.920
artificial intelligence. There's a young kid

01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.639
that, and that's a very dramatic movie and stuff,

01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:12.000
but I mean like big fandom movies, they've started

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:13.579
to like do a little bit more serious stuff. And

01:04:13.579 --> 01:04:15.960
I wonder if it was made today, if they'd make

01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.579
it a Anakin, a little less accident goofness

01:04:19.579 --> 01:04:23.199
and a little bit more serious. But I just, I

01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.480
still wonder if, if as a teenager, he'd be better.

01:04:26.739 --> 01:04:32.050
Your question. I just had kind of some maybe

01:04:32.050 --> 01:04:37.469
continuity questions. So they, Qui -Gon tells

01:04:37.469 --> 01:04:40.409
the people on the ship, don't respond to the

01:04:40.409 --> 01:04:42.849
plea for help because it's clearly a trick to

01:04:42.849 --> 01:04:45.630
get them to, you know, broadcast their location.

01:04:46.349 --> 01:04:49.329
But then literally the next scene they're found

01:04:49.329 --> 01:04:54.630
anyway. Despite not broadcasting back. So Qui

01:04:54.630 --> 01:04:56.780
-Gon tells Obi -Wan. Don't let them transmit

01:04:56.780 --> 01:04:59.440
anything. They get a transmission. Obi -Wan's

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.380
like, don't send any transmission. And then he

01:05:01.380 --> 01:05:03.860
radios Qui -Gon and Qui -Gon's like, seems like

01:05:03.860 --> 01:05:06.659
bait to establish a trace connection. And then

01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:09.780
the very next scene is Maul with one of his like

01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:13.880
two lines being like, Tatooine is sparsely populated.

01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.860
It won't be hard to find them. I was like, yeah,

01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:20.019
but did they respond? I think it was clearly

01:05:20.019 --> 01:05:23.090
a cut. out of the movie like there's some probably

01:05:23.090 --> 01:05:25.050
some deleted scenes there seems like a cut in

01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:27.170
the movie to save some time that they were like

01:05:27.170 --> 01:05:30.070
the audience won't question this too much sierra

01:05:30.070 --> 01:05:35.349
questions on like the 40th rewatch i think i

01:05:35.349 --> 01:05:38.190
remembered it before but yeah no definitely um

01:05:38.190 --> 01:05:42.510
i i also had this you know they have the the

01:05:42.510 --> 01:05:45.070
initial fight with maul and then they're like

01:05:45.070 --> 01:05:48.289
who was that i don't know i don't know what kind

01:05:48.289 --> 01:05:51.409
of a person and there's Yeah, well, there's like

01:05:51.409 --> 01:05:54.489
a pause and then there's another scene and then

01:05:54.489 --> 01:05:55.989
it goes back and they're explaining and they

01:05:55.989 --> 01:05:58.530
go, oh, I think it's a Sith. But in that little

01:05:58.530 --> 01:06:02.210
moment, I'm like, is the red saber not kind of

01:06:02.210 --> 01:06:04.750
a tip off as to who he is? It's a good question.

01:06:04.849 --> 01:06:07.590
A lot of Star Wars fans have that question as

01:06:07.590 --> 01:06:09.889
well. He's clearly a Sith. He's got a red lightsaber.

01:06:09.929 --> 01:06:13.190
So in old canon and legends. There were people,

01:06:13.369 --> 01:06:15.289
there were dark Jedis, because all you need to

01:06:15.289 --> 01:06:17.329
create a red lightsaber is to infuse your kyber

01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:19.329
crystal with dark force energy. It turns red.

01:06:19.550 --> 01:06:22.570
Yeah. There are no naturally occurring red kyber

01:06:22.570 --> 01:06:25.829
crystals. So then the answer is he's a dark Jedi.

01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:28.610
Correct. Either way, there shouldn't be a question.

01:06:28.690 --> 01:06:31.269
I know. I'm with you on that. But in terms of

01:06:31.269 --> 01:06:33.469
why they don't immediately say, is he a Sith?

01:06:33.690 --> 01:06:35.690
Yeah. And why these other people are like, I

01:06:35.690 --> 01:06:37.389
don't know. the Sith could come back without

01:06:37.389 --> 01:06:40.190
us knowing. Thanks, Mace. Like, that's egotistical.

01:06:40.630 --> 01:06:43.550
Also, you're like, what? 60 and Yoda's right

01:06:43.550 --> 01:06:46.889
there? 600 times your age? Maybe let him take

01:06:46.889 --> 01:06:52.690
that one? He's not even 60. Samuel L. Jackson's

01:06:52.690 --> 01:06:55.690
not that old in that movie, but I digress. I

01:06:55.690 --> 01:06:59.889
had questions around, like, who designed Anakin's

01:06:59.889 --> 01:07:02.329
flag? Because, like, it matches his pod exactly.

01:07:02.489 --> 01:07:04.449
Like, did they also make a flag? Was that, like...

01:07:04.780 --> 01:07:07.119
unnamed mother number one doing that in the background

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:11.659
and also why is c -3po newly awakened being to

01:07:11.659 --> 01:07:14.960
the world his flag bearer like he could have

01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.440
gone with anybody could have gone with his mom

01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.380
well i think he's gone with padme who he's clearly

01:07:20.380 --> 01:07:24.579
crushing on yeah i i mean i don't think c -3po

01:07:24.579 --> 01:07:26.780
is necessarily newly awakened to the world because

01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:29.150
he's been Testing him. Yeah, sure. So he's been

01:07:29.150 --> 01:07:31.929
awake. He's still a baby for a droid. Oh, yeah,

01:07:32.030 --> 01:07:34.030
for sure. And also, he's unstable. I mean, it's

01:07:34.030 --> 01:07:37.250
a child. He can't walk on a regular stone floor.

01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:39.610
Why are they putting him in the sand to walk

01:07:39.610 --> 01:07:43.449
around with a flag? This is very true. Questions.

01:07:45.730 --> 01:07:52.110
Okay, so my next question is during the Duel

01:07:52.110 --> 01:07:56.039
of the Fates. When Qui -Gon is waiting between

01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.320
the barriers, he begins to meditate. My question

01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:05.280
is kind of esoteric a little bit. Did he know

01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.119
potentially that he was going to die? And that's

01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.460
part of why he was kind of meditating in that

01:08:12.460 --> 01:08:16.220
moment. You know, I know battle meditation is

01:08:16.220 --> 01:08:19.539
a thing. He tries to teach Obi -Wan. He's a big

01:08:19.539 --> 01:08:23.149
proponent of it. But I just... Is that a part

01:08:23.149 --> 01:08:25.869
of, like, do we think that that is part of kind

01:08:25.869 --> 01:08:29.289
of what he's dealing with and maybe why he wants

01:08:29.289 --> 01:08:31.470
to center himself? Because he's kind of preparing

01:08:31.470 --> 01:08:34.970
himself for what's about to come? Because it

01:08:34.970 --> 01:08:38.430
did, for whatever reason on this last rewatch,

01:08:38.789 --> 01:08:42.989
I just, that moment of him just settling down

01:08:42.989 --> 01:08:46.850
just felt so impactful for me. And I don't know

01:08:46.850 --> 01:08:49.069
if maybe I was just reading too much into it,

01:08:49.090 --> 01:08:52.279
but. I think, so there's several. several things

01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.659
that i think about this so that moment certainly

01:08:55.659 --> 01:08:59.140
from a film perspective is supposed to be making

01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:04.100
you apprehensive as a viewer oh this calm i'm

01:09:04.100 --> 01:09:06.439
now worried it does an effective job of making

01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:09.760
you go oh no and that's what it's like that's

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.439
what it's there it's this eerie calm before and

01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:14.800
and you know that obi and qui -gon are separated

01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:17.619
and you're hoping that obi can get to him now

01:09:17.619 --> 01:09:21.270
you are also seeing the difference between Qui

01:09:21.270 --> 01:09:24.310
-Gon and Obi. Obi -Wan is mad. He's angry. He's

01:09:24.310 --> 01:09:28.029
impatient. Right? He's waiting there, sort of

01:09:28.029 --> 01:09:31.510
huffing and puffing in anticipation. Maul is

01:09:31.510 --> 01:09:35.170
stalking his prey. Yeah, and taunting his prey.

01:09:35.369 --> 01:09:36.909
Yeah, and Qui -Gon goes into this meditative

01:09:36.909 --> 01:09:39.130
state. So I think, I don't think that he's thinking

01:09:39.130 --> 01:09:40.430
he's going to die because I still think he's

01:09:40.430 --> 01:09:44.470
fighting for Anakin's future. And I think he's

01:09:44.470 --> 01:09:47.680
fighting to be able to train. That boy. Also,

01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.840
battle meditation is like an even more zerped

01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:52.779
up thing than what we read in Master and Apprentice

01:09:52.779 --> 01:09:57.340
in the old canon. So when all of this stuff is

01:09:57.340 --> 01:09:59.619
still canon in the 90s, battle meditation is

01:09:59.619 --> 01:10:04.899
like a specific Jedi trait that helps everyone

01:10:04.899 --> 01:10:08.050
around you coordinate better. and for you to

01:10:08.050 --> 01:10:10.529
be better attuned to the force so it might be

01:10:10.529 --> 01:10:12.010
that he's attempting to do that and he's very

01:10:12.010 --> 01:10:13.989
good at like sort of that battle meditation versus

01:10:13.989 --> 01:10:17.550
just like meditating in battle which is different

01:10:17.550 --> 01:10:21.289
um and more of what master and apprentice covers

01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:24.449
it's not the old battle meditation um got it

01:10:24.449 --> 01:10:27.409
so for anybody who's played kotor bastilla the

01:10:27.409 --> 01:10:29.430
main character is like she's really good at battle

01:10:29.430 --> 01:10:32.430
meditation that like that coordination of getting

01:10:32.430 --> 01:10:34.979
everybody to fight together And so she takes

01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:36.579
out Darth Revan at the beginning of that game.

01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.199
That's not a spoiler. That's the literal premise

01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:43.939
of the game. Yeah. Anyways, so I think he's fighting

01:10:43.939 --> 01:10:45.619
for Anakin's future. I think he's still trying

01:10:45.619 --> 01:10:49.380
to live. And I think that he is calming himself

01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:53.880
to juxtapose what Obi -Wan's doing, Anakin's

01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:55.960
eventual master, which is more aggressive. And

01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.140
then we see Obi -Wan, as soon as Qui -Gon Jinn

01:10:58.140 --> 01:11:01.300
dies. tap into the dark side, become extra aggressive,

01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.619
no longer do defensive fighting, and go for the

01:11:04.619 --> 01:11:08.859
kill. Mm -hmm. Yeah, for sure. Speaking of Qui

01:11:08.859 --> 01:11:13.000
-Gon, do Qui -Gon and Shmi kind of have a thing

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.420
for each other? Oh my gosh, that's such a theory.

01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:18.520
First of all, we don't actually get Shmi's name

01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.300
until the second movie. That's why I keep calling

01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:24.500
her unnamed mother number one. Because it's just

01:11:24.500 --> 01:11:28.159
your mom and mom is her name. But like, okay,

01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:30.020
so there's all sorts of like speculation about

01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:33.399
this online because Qui -Gon is like, they have

01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:36.579
a joint connection. But then he also goes up

01:11:36.579 --> 01:11:39.220
to her. Right before the pod race, right after

01:11:39.220 --> 01:11:43.460
Chance Cube with Watto, before actual pod race.

01:11:43.579 --> 01:11:46.979
And Anakin's riding with Padme and Shmi's riding

01:11:46.979 --> 01:11:52.220
with Anakin's friend. And Qui -Gon makes a beeline

01:11:52.220 --> 01:11:55.359
for Shmi and he says, good morning and helps.

01:11:56.060 --> 01:11:58.560
helps her down from her little like camel like

01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.560
thing and that has set everybody's head including

01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.180
myself like i was i was even more convinced on

01:12:04.180 --> 01:12:06.899
this walk on this watch by the way he goes over

01:12:06.899 --> 01:12:08.779
and says good morning and helps her off and i

01:12:08.779 --> 01:12:13.260
was like oh oh oh there's one there's another

01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:15.619
moment where he puts his hand on her shoulder

01:12:15.619 --> 01:12:19.979
as well absolutely like it's a very close gesture

01:12:19.979 --> 01:12:23.000
yes um for two people who don't know each other

01:12:25.070 --> 01:12:28.250
Yes, definitely. That's a good one. That will

01:12:28.250 --> 01:12:31.529
fan flames for forever. Yeah, there's no answer

01:12:31.529 --> 01:12:33.630
on that one. It's just a question. It's a question

01:12:33.630 --> 01:12:36.789
that needs answering, but it won't get answered.

01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:40.699
Just like this one, why do I kind of not like

01:12:40.699 --> 01:12:45.880
Yoda? Because he's stodgy! Because he's exemplifies

01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:47.680
exactly what's wrong with the Jedi Order at this

01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.939
point, which is they're sort of cutting themselves

01:12:49.939 --> 01:12:52.140
off from the possibilities of the Force, right?

01:12:52.220 --> 01:12:56.789
They are unbalanced. They are not... exploring

01:12:56.789 --> 01:12:59.550
or, and, and looking at the dark side, everything

01:12:59.550 --> 01:13:01.470
that has to do with the dark side, if it even

01:13:01.470 --> 01:13:04.170
leads to it, like prophecy, like future watching

01:13:04.170 --> 01:13:08.289
is off limits instead of being explored in how

01:13:08.289 --> 01:13:10.489
can we interact with this in a way that's, that's

01:13:10.489 --> 01:13:13.510
balanced. And he's just so skewed one direction.

01:13:13.930 --> 01:13:17.729
Yeah. It's just, it's very frustrating how much

01:13:17.729 --> 01:13:20.029
he just is like, well, that will lead to the

01:13:20.029 --> 01:13:22.569
dark side. Well, that is the, and I'm like, I

01:13:22.569 --> 01:13:27.939
know. I know. It kills me. Just a little bit.

01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:31.239
It's fine. I want my Muppet back. Next category.

01:13:32.859 --> 01:13:35.439
Rip open that candy wrapper and show us your

01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:38.439
golden ticket. It's time for the Veruca Salt

01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.479
Award for a piece of memorabilia we really, really

01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:46.539
need. Queen Amidala's throne room headdress.

01:13:46.539 --> 01:13:48.260
I do need that for you. I need you to wear that

01:13:48.260 --> 01:13:51.340
on this pod. I'm totally kidding. Although I

01:13:51.340 --> 01:13:54.949
did. Try to make that with towels at one point,

01:13:54.970 --> 01:13:57.329
and I definitely attempted the face paint and

01:13:57.329 --> 01:14:00.649
whatnot. For real, though, it is Maul's lightsaber.

01:14:00.989 --> 01:14:04.970
I have other lightsabers. I have Windu's. I have

01:14:04.970 --> 01:14:09.010
Qui -Gon's. I've got some other ones. I need

01:14:09.010 --> 01:14:12.750
Maul's. I want it. I need it. Gimme. Gimme. Gimme.

01:14:12.890 --> 01:14:15.319
Gimme. In other words, please join our Patreon

01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:19.060
so that Sierra can buy both lightsabers. Can

01:14:19.060 --> 01:14:21.220
I have a functioning R2 -D2? Because that's the

01:14:21.220 --> 01:14:23.739
memorabilia I would want. The house maintenance

01:14:23.739 --> 01:14:27.340
would be so easy. Car maintenance would be non

01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:30.579
-existent. They fix themselves sometimes. Like,

01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.880
I need a functioning R2. Although, getting him

01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.720
to go upstairs with his little fuel injectors

01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.600
from... attack on the clones i don't want to

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.960
pay that might be a problem uh and he can kind

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:47.239
of go downstairs i was concerned about you know

01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.880
burning this oh i suppose burning down my house

01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.239
would be a concern but anyways uh i can just

01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.760
buy a ranch house at some point in my 50s uh

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.979
any any who i really want that I'd probably also

01:14:59.979 --> 01:15:03.100
go for Maul's lightsaber in this one. But if

01:15:03.100 --> 01:15:06.619
you had a big enough yard, I think a full -sized

01:15:06.619 --> 01:15:11.560
replica of Anakin's pod racer with a glass tabletop

01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:15.140
on going the whole length would be super dope

01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:17.359
as like a garden party thing to do, which is

01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:21.180
very 30 -year -old of me. But I think that'd

01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:24.720
be super sweet. And to finish it up... Oh, gosh,

01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:27.079
that would be amazing. Dust off that card deck

01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.439
and get ready to shuffle. It's our Joker category

01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:36.819
for who is the MVP of this movie. So there's

01:15:36.819 --> 01:15:41.909
a clear unassailable number one for me. People

01:15:41.909 --> 01:15:43.789
could make an argument that Padme does some work

01:15:43.789 --> 01:15:46.470
here, that Shmi could be considered the MVP,

01:15:46.729 --> 01:15:49.449
like pound per pound in scene. You could obviously

01:15:49.449 --> 01:15:52.329
make a good argument for Anakin. I don't think

01:15:52.329 --> 01:15:54.729
you can actually make an MVP argument for Obi

01:15:54.729 --> 01:15:56.850
-Wan because he's just so not present for all

01:15:56.850 --> 01:15:59.270
of the tattooing stuff. Because Qui -Gon's like,

01:15:59.350 --> 01:16:01.729
stay on the ship. I'm going to take this Gungan

01:16:01.729 --> 01:16:04.960
and a droid with me. And Obi's like, do you not

01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:09.779
value me? I honestly forgot how much he's just

01:16:09.779 --> 01:16:14.819
not in this movie. Yeah. But I'm going to, before

01:16:14.819 --> 01:16:16.600
I get to my number one unassailable pick, I'm

01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.180
going to make a case for this one guy who I think

01:16:19.180 --> 01:16:21.439
actually pound for pound for the actions that

01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:24.180
he does is super great. And that's going to be

01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:27.539
Boss Nass. Yeah. Right. Okay. All right. Sierra's

01:16:27.539 --> 01:16:30.939
making some thinking faces. Boss Nass, here's

01:16:30.939 --> 01:16:33.350
his actions. I'm waiting for it. Jar Jar Binks

01:16:33.350 --> 01:16:36.909
is a menace. He's really the phantom menace of

01:16:36.909 --> 01:16:39.789
this whole thing. Whether you want to go for

01:16:39.789 --> 01:16:42.729
problematic performances, or you want to go for

01:16:42.729 --> 01:16:47.270
Darth Jar Jar jokes, or an actual theory behind

01:16:47.270 --> 01:16:51.210
Darth Jar Jar. He was literally so clumsy that

01:16:51.210 --> 01:16:54.149
they banished him. What a great call. Get this

01:16:54.149 --> 01:16:57.289
guy who might trounce my whole city in water

01:16:57.289 --> 01:17:01.180
and drown everybody out of here. Then... Not

01:17:01.180 --> 01:17:02.739
only does he get Jar Jar out, when Jar Jar comes

01:17:02.739 --> 01:17:05.600
back, he's like, hey, guys, here's a transport.

01:17:06.100 --> 01:17:08.000
Here's how you get through it. Please take Binks

01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:12.100
with you. I'll eventually be convinced that that's

01:17:12.100 --> 01:17:15.079
a good idea. Okay. Then, so he gets Jar Jar Binks

01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:17.399
out of there. In both times that Jar Jar Binks

01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.380
is, like, supposed to be banished in the back,

01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:22.819
he still gets rid of him. Then, he gets all of

01:17:22.819 --> 01:17:26.109
his Gungans to safety. Without, like... Unlike

01:17:26.109 --> 01:17:28.090
the Naboo, who just sit there and are like, I

01:17:28.090 --> 01:17:30.289
guess it's invasion time. He gets everybody to

01:17:30.289 --> 01:17:33.109
safety. They go to a secret place. And then when

01:17:33.109 --> 01:17:35.470
he's in the secret place, he swallows his pride.

01:17:35.649 --> 01:17:38.310
And he's like, heck yeah. You can have all my

01:17:38.310 --> 01:17:41.949
soldiers. Let's squash these bugs. And then they're

01:17:41.949 --> 01:17:45.510
like, you know what? The army's way stronger.

01:17:45.689 --> 01:17:48.560
And he's like. Yeah, we're still going to do

01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.560
it. We still know that the collective good and

01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:53.460
the collective peace is only going to be brought

01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:56.880
on if we try. And in addition to that, he's a

01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:59.720
savvy politician who realizes Jar Jar's popularity

01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.600
has skyrocketed among his people, and he makes

01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:04.739
him a general. And you know what? He does great

01:18:04.739 --> 01:18:09.159
things, terrible, but great things as a general.

01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:12.840
And at the very end, he proclaims peace. Pound

01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:16.600
for pound, that's a pretty good... pretty good

01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.260
movie moments for him i i legitimately cannot

01:18:20.260 --> 01:18:25.659
argue with any of your points i there's no yeah

01:18:25.659 --> 01:18:30.119
there's just he he i don't know if i can make

01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:34.739
him the mvp of the entire movie because he is

01:18:34.739 --> 01:18:40.859
a very um small uh sphere of influence yeah um

01:18:40.859 --> 01:18:45.039
however For Naboo, he is the MVP of Naboo. For

01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:48.100
sure. For sure. I'll give you that. He's the

01:18:48.100 --> 01:18:52.159
only reason why the movie keeps going. Both at

01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.220
the end of Act 1, beginning Act 2, and at the

01:18:54.220 --> 01:18:58.220
end of Act 2, beginning Act 3. Also true. It's

01:18:58.220 --> 01:19:03.680
kind of wild. But my real unassailable MVP, mainly

01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:06.020
to do with how much more weight this man has

01:19:06.020 --> 01:19:09.520
in the movie, is Qui -Gon Jinn, which I don't

01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.350
even know that you can... argue against he's

01:19:12.350 --> 01:19:15.329
the catalyst for all of all the parts of the

01:19:15.329 --> 01:19:17.149
movie he has great wisdom he's the one that picks

01:19:17.149 --> 01:19:19.770
up on anakin he's the one that tests for midichlorian

01:19:19.770 --> 01:19:21.930
levels he's the one that believes in prophecy

01:19:21.930 --> 01:19:25.689
uh it is ultimately why a bunch of like zero

01:19:25.689 --> 01:19:30.069
to five year olds die in 14 years 13 years time

01:19:30.069 --> 01:19:36.430
but uh he he's the mvp Yeah, but he didn't know

01:19:36.430 --> 01:19:39.970
that. He didn't know he was going to not be around

01:19:39.970 --> 01:19:44.770
to stop that from happening. Yeah, seconded for

01:19:44.770 --> 01:19:47.829
that real pick. My honorable mention for this

01:19:47.829 --> 01:19:54.510
is our pal, Patin. Yeah, he's great. Because

01:19:54.510 --> 01:19:59.270
he accomplishes all of his goals. He is nowhere

01:19:59.270 --> 01:20:03.319
near found out, clearly. people having the conversation

01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.880
three feet away from him about if the master

01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.279
or the apprentice was killed. And he's there

01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.340
smirking. He's like listening to them being like,

01:20:11.380 --> 01:20:15.340
it's me. Exactly. He's just hanging out. You

01:20:15.340 --> 01:20:19.020
know, he becomes Supreme Chancellor. It's a pretty

01:20:19.020 --> 01:20:21.699
big step up from just Senator from Naboo. Yeah.

01:20:22.020 --> 01:20:25.319
Yeah. I mean, he's nailing it. He's really nailing

01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:28.880
it. This, unfortunately, will probably be a...

01:20:29.260 --> 01:20:37.260
For many of the movies. All right. And that's

01:20:37.260 --> 01:20:40.180
going to do it for our categories, y 'all. Today's

01:20:40.180 --> 01:20:43.560
public service announcement. When coding your

01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.199
droids, please refrain from implementing terror

01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:49.859
and pain into their experience. Thank you. Thank

01:20:49.859 --> 01:20:53.479
you indeed. Signed, the R2 units around the galaxy.

01:20:58.260 --> 01:21:00.960
Yes, please make them more like the battle droids.

01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:06.579
The battle droids from Attack of the Clones,

01:21:06.619 --> 01:21:08.380
not Revenge of the Sith, where they speak in

01:21:08.380 --> 01:21:15.380
New York accents. Well, thank you, dear listener

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01:22:19.529 --> 01:22:22.390
But oops, the gang's been found and Maul is after

01:22:22.390 --> 01:22:26.149
them with only his line. With his only lines.

01:22:26.609 --> 01:22:29.390
Yep. Thank you. Anakin and how he had originally.

01:22:29.630 --> 01:22:35.949
How he. Sorry. Buckle up. Schmissner. Schmiss.

01:22:35.949 --> 01:22:39.210
Oh my God. Schmissners. That's going to. Schmissners.

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-boop. Oh my God. Ba -ba -da -ba -ba -da -ba

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-ba -da -ba -ba -da -boop. Scared the shit out

01:22:47.670 --> 01:22:51.300
of me. Ba -ba -da -ba -ba -da -ba -ba -da -ba

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