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of all sorts, shapes, and sousophones, stay tuned.

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Today, we begin our part one deep dive on Star

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Wars with a shallow dive into our favorites.

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We are going to see what our current favorites

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are and what we objectively think is the best

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in the same categories. Then... Over the course

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of more research, watching, re -watching, reading,

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playing, and replaying everything we can get

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our mitts onto for the research of this podcast

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series, we will see if our favorites remain the

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same and stand the test of time, or if they will

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be replaced by new favorites. Fantastic. Yes,

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yes, yes. So this is the first actual recording

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that Sierra and I are putting together. We're

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doing this before we've recorded or done any

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research on anything else so that we're standing

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sort of right where we are as a fan before this

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podcast starts. Yes. So that's pretty exciting.

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Yes, it is very exciting. And I will make a small

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disclaimer on all of my answers. a fan of star

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wars however i have not seen everything i haven't

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seen some of the shows i haven't played some

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of the games i've obviously seen all the movies

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guys don't you know hold on to put the pitch

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forks away it's gonna be okay this actually gives

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a pretty good opportunity for some fresh which

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I'm very excited about. And I've wanted to watch

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all the things. I just haven't gotten around

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to it, guys. I have a busy life. I don't. I stay

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in my house all day long, but I have a busy life.

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And it's really just taken up by all the other

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fandoms that I'm a part of, which is kind of

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why we're doing this. So some of my answers are

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going to be based on popular opinion. But you'll

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see. Yes. Conversely, I am a huge Star Wars fan.

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I read a ton of the original Expanded EU before

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Disney took over before. Kind of dropped that

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off for a while because I was upset that Disney

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took that all away. I've now pretty much read

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all of the prequel books. I've watched all the

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things. I've read a ton of comics. So I'm a little

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bit more informed than Sierra at this point,

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but by the end we will both be very, very well

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researched before everything else. But we wanted

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to get a snapshot of who we are as fans before

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jumping into all of this. And so here we go.

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To start, our first category is going to be the

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prequel movie. We'll state our favorite prequel

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movie first, and then we will go over what objectively...

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We think is the best. So those are two different

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lists for us at time. Sometimes they sync up.

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Sometimes they don't. Sometimes I'm like, yeah,

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my favorite fruit is a blueberry. But objectively,

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a perfectly ripe mango is clearly the best fruit.

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So those are the two sort of different wavelengths

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that we're going to be on. First up is prequel

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movie. And mine is. Revenge of the Sith, which

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I kind of think is the only right answer for

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the prequel movies. It's got kind of everything

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that you want. It's got a really great storyline.

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You get great character arcs. There are clearly

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flaws with every movie in Star Wars, and we'll

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deep dive into those as we go. But I think given

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mainly the problems of sort of the first two

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movies, Revenge of the Sith stands out among

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them. Although I will give an honorable mention

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to Phantom Menace, which is closer to being the

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best, my favorite prequel movie than I think

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some would put it down. But it's going to end

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up being Revenge of the Sith. What about you,

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Sierra? Mine is also Revenge of the Sith. kind

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of the same little caveat as well of phantom

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being maybe a little bit closer than one might

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think. Uh, because if the whole movie was the

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duel of the fates, it would be the best thing

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in on the planet. Um, I also just have a bunch

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of nostalgia for the whole pod racing. My brother

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and I were really into all that. Yeah. My brother

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and I were like really into it with like fake

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pod race and stuff around the house and whatnot.

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So I just have a little bit of a nostalgia on

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that movie. But overall, when it really comes

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down to like what I enjoy watching and what I

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would watch repeatedly, I think it would go Revenge

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of the Sith for sure. Yeah, I think so. You know,

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it's funny. I quote. phantom menace more than

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i think any other star wars movie other than

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i am not a committee that's probably the line

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that i i quote the most from star wars but i

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i say now this is pod racing anytime something

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exciting starts to occur that's fast pace uh

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in life or uh when i'm finally getting somewhere

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with like you know building a computer or putting

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electronics together or building uh like a fence

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or anything like that where it's finally starting

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to come together i'll be like it's working it's

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working i love i love that movie and like phantom

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menace is one of those things where it's like

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yeah it has to me the best moment of the the

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trilogy even over obi and anakin's duel mainly

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because of the the music behind dual of fates

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um which is just amazing it's just like the rest

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of the movie especially jar jar binks is like

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oh okay Okay. All right. All right. When can

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we go back to Obi and Maul and Qui -Gon? Can

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we do that now? You say that, but I also, part

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of my nostalgia is my dad, for whatever reason,

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just thought Jar Jar Binks was the most hilarious

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thing at the time. Him and everyone that worked

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on Phantom Menace. Well, because he's objectively

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hilarious. Like, I mean, he might be annoying,

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but like, he's really funny. And especially like,

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you know. we were younger at the time that it

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came out. And my dad knew that if he quoted Jar

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Jar Binks, we'd all crack up. So like, I have

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a bunch of memories of just all, all talking

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with the Jar Jar Binks lingo. And so that's just,

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you know, I got banned from talking about quotable.

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That's funny. Okay. So objectively we're, we're

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aligned. We both have revenge. And I think we've

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talked pretty clearly. Without deep diving into

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the movie, I think it's objectively got the best

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scene -to -scene moments and movement and arc

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and satisfaction level. Where by the end of the

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movie, there's not a huge thing to point out

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and be like, wow. Unlike Attack of the Clones,

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those Padme Anakin scenes sometimes are a little

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rough. Although if you remove a lot of those

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scenes, that movie's pretty good. I honestly

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have watched it and fast forwarded all of their

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scenes before. And it did make the movie better.

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I did find, I found like, I think it was on YouTube

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or something. Like someone had posted the movie

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without those scenes. And I was like, oh, okay.

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Oh, this movie's pretty good. I don't know where

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these people came from at the very end. Who's

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Anakin? Who's Padme? But I call that doing the

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eldest. Did you ever read the Eragon series growing

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up? Um, hate me. Um, I read the first one and

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loved it and then I just couldn't make it through

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the second one. So, so this is precisely what

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I'm talking about, Sierra. Um, I call it eldest,

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like the eldest maneuver because when I was reading

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that one and I made it for the, through the first

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three, I've never read the fourth one. Um, I

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aged out of it by the time he released the fourth

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one, but I call it the eldest maneuver because.

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I was reading that book and, you know, it goes

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back and forth between Aragon's perspective and

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his brother's perspective. And I did not like

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the Aragon scenes. halfway through the book and

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so i just started skipping that part to just

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read his brother's portion so by the time it

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gets to the end and it's like they meet up i

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was like i have no idea what happened with this

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guy but but his brother i'm super stoked about

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so from here on out it should be called the eldest

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maneuver um okay so just to sum up we both have

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revenge as our fave although duel of fates and

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phantom can hit hard And hit right and hit in

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that sweet spot just where it needs to. But we

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also have Revenge as the objective best of that.

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Yeah. All right. Our next category is something

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I think everybody can figure out. Our favorite

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OG trilogy movie. I'm just going to, if you'll

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allow me. I will. I'm going to just spoil this

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whole category here. There's only one answer

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for both of us, for both our favorite and objectively

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the best. It's Empire. Yes. Empire Strikes Back.

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I don't honestly know too many people who would

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argue too fiercely against that answer. I know

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that for a lot of people, you know, original,

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New Hope. holds kind of that nostalgia quality

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that we were talking about um you know it's the

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one that started it all and it's the only nominated

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for an oscar for best picture yeah so you know

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there's there's there are some things to be said

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for the other ones but i i'm going to go out

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on a limb here and just say i think overwhelmingly

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empire Kind of has that seat. It takes that throne

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for the OG trilogy and for a lot of people overall.

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Now, interestingly enough, two recurring guests

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on our other podcast, The Three Broomsticks,

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Garrett Fielding and Christian Richardson, both

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have their favorite as Return of the Jedi. So

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maybe we can get one or both of them on to sort

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of defend that at some point, just to give some

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controversy. Yes, for sure. But also I'm going

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to give you because we have not much to say about

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the original trilogy and we're going to deep

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dive on all of this. I'll give you a very funny

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anecdote about my family's history around Empire

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Strikes Back. My parents got married that summer

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that Empire Strikes Back was playing. And, you

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know, this was before VHS had come out. So the

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only way to like rewatch a movie was to be in

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the theater. So Star Wars movies ran for a long,

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long time. A New Hope, I think, in some theaters

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ran for over a year. And Empire Strikes Back

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came, and I forget what the actual release date

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was on it, but in the summer of 1980, my parents

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get married, and they go and they watch Empire

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Strikes Back. They both love the first movie,

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etc., etc. I mean, there's a reason why I got

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indoctrinated at three years old. Star Wars was

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my first movie. My parents call my dad's folks

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and, you know, explaining what they're doing

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on their honeymoon, et cetera, et cetera. And

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one of the things that they said is we watched

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Empire Strikes Back. And my grandfather has been

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hard of hearing all his life. He was in a military

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accident in the 50s. But he has hearing aids

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and he can hear, just, you know, not super well.

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And he's a huge baseball fan. Huge baseball fan.

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And what he heard was Empire Strikes Back. And

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so he took my grandma to the movie after church

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one Sunday and is a real I will not waste my

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money guy. So he sat down for Empire Strikes

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Back. Oh, no. And watched the whole movie utterly

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confused. And so because that's the only Star

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Wars movie that my grandfather's ever seen, it's

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obviously my favorite. Now I'm teasing. But yeah,

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so that's it for the OG. Not much to say. It's

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Empire. It's always going to be Empire. I think

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that's objectively the right answer and is both

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of our faves. So that's good for us. Yes. Moving

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into a bit more discourse, we've got our fave

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sequel movies where I have landed on The Last

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Jedi, which. May have lost us half of the podcast

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listeners who are even willing to try this out.

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Because that is such a controversial movie. And

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when we get to the actual deep dive on it, I

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will really jump in and build the case why I

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think that's the best of these. As my fave and

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also as my objective, not to spoil that, but

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it is my objective as well. It's the relationship

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between Kylo and Rey is extremely interesting

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in that movie. I love the choices that they made

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with Luke's character in that moment. Again,

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we'll talk way more about that when we get to

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it. I love Leia's story. I love Poe's learning

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to be humble and listen and to hope. I love the

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ending of that movie with that. awesome image

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of Rey lifting the rocks up and tapping into

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her Force powers in a real significant way where

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she has control. And I love where that movie

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leaves off. It's super satisfying. So that's

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why I have Last Jedi as my favorite. My favorite

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is Force Awakens. Boo! Boo! A new whole ripoff!

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Boo! I'm just teasing. So I have kind of a pessimistic

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Which maybe will spoil a little bit. And again,

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this is all like where we're coming in right

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now. So, of course, over the over the time that

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we're going to deep dive on Star Wars, opinions

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may change. But I went into Force Awakens very

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excited. Yeah. Slightly apprehensive. Yeah. I

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so behind the scenes. My friends and I went to

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a casting call for Force Awakens. Wow. And so

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we went to a casting call for Force Awakens.

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I got kind of pulled to the side at one point

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and asked if my hair color was real. Neat. Which

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led us to speculate as to what kind of people

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they were looking for for these roles. And it

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ended up being. kind of the opposite um because

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the people that they were pulling aside from

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at least our casting call and were more like

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people of color or girls with like red hair for

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ray but then for finn they were looking for like

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A Luke, basically. Yeah, a white blonde man.

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A tall, white blonde. And his name was Sam originally.

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In the first, not to toot my own horn with my

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great name here, but yeah, he was a Luke Skywalker.

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He was tall, white, blonde, and his name was

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going to be Sam instead of Finn. So yeah, so

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it was, we kind of got every, we went in with

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like these ideas, you know, and obviously the

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casting came out and we were like, oh, they ended

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up kind of flipping everything. Yeah. But one

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of the girls that we actually went to college

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with, she got like she went to the next round

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and like actually got to read some of the script

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and like had to sign an NDA and all sorts of

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stuff. So like I went into Force Awakens pretty

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excited because I'd had this kind of like little

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backstory like. you know hint at what it was

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like to cast the the movie and everything and

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was really looking forward to it and came out

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of that movie honestly pretty excited about it

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and was like wow okay this was really great and

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then the next two movies happened yeah and i

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just felt like everything that i had been excited

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about ended up getting cut or like turned around

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or didn't end up happening and things like that.

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And that's kind of like, it'll be a theme for

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me. Like I so desperately wanted Finn to be a

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Jedi. Yeah. And I think a lot of people feel

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that way, but that was something that I honestly

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like have a really hard time even now, like letting

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go of. I mean, so. Yeah, what they do with this

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character in Rise of Skywalker kind of maybe

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supports what you're saying, but... So anyway,

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so that's why Force Awakens is my favorite, is

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because it was kind of like pre -letdown. Yeah.

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And so, like, objectively, I do think I agree

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that Last Jedi objectively is better, but I have

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a really hard time working... Through my bias.

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Yeah. I, you know, to me, Force Awakens was something

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that I came into really excited for. Super, like,

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I must have watched the trailer 10 ,000 times.

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There are two big fandoms in my life. Harry Potter,

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which obviously we cover at Three Broomsticks,

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and I was on Alohomora before that. And then

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Star Wars. You know, 2015 when the movie came

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out is this weird place where it's like Fantastic

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Beasts is coming out. Cursed Child is coming

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out. Force Awakens is coming out. And it's like,

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wait, wait. Oh, yay. All this stuff's happening.

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And so I went into Force Awakens super excited.

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And then I came out going, okay, cool. I'm really

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stoked for this. But I'm a little let down by

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what seems such a copycat of A New Hope. Yeah.

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In basic plot points. I think how it should have

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ended that famous YouTube. series that makes

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fun of plot holes in movies they animated it

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where they were like okay here's star killer

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based the big one and here's the original death

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star and here's the old death star and then they

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put it over where it turns into the mickey ears

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where the death stars are the mickey ears and

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it was like oh yeah okay okay and it just felt

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like the whole star wars team together was a

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little too nervous to deviate too much from what

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had already been established. And I know that

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was a Lucas complaint about Force Awakens as

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well. And so I came out being like, I love the

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new characters. I'm really excited about the

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future of this. Feels like Poe wasn't in it nearly

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as much, but that's okay. We've got lots of time.

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They spent a lot of time with Han. I love what

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happened with the movie. I'm really excited about

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Kylo. But also at the same time, I kind of wish

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the movie was a bit more different from A New

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Hope. Yeah, for sure. And I was willing to take

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the ride with Last Jedi. It very much deviated

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from sort of expectations and setup. And we'll

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talk about all the different things that kind

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of get in the way of them having a clear through

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line when we deep dive into these movies more.

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But I was willing to take the ride and not just

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follow exactly what... I felt like the movie

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was setting up before, which is why I love The

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Last Jedi so much. I think when we talk about

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Rise of Skywalker, we'll talk about Rise of Skywalker.

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So that's it. Fave sequel done. Over with. Nice.

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Our next category is our favorite series. Our

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favorite TV series. Yes. I'm very excited about

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this. My favorite TV series is the animated Clone

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Wars series, partially because I haven't seen

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a lot of TV shows, but also because Clone Wars

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animated series is amazing. Yes. If it just I

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we again, we will deep dive. Yes, we will. We

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will deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep dive.

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But it is amazing. If you haven't seen it, definitely

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give it a shot. There are two different ways

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to watch it. You can watch it in the order that

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it is released, or there is a chronological order

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because it is technically an anthology type series,

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which I did not know the first time that I went

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and watched it. And so there was a slight bit

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of confusion on my part when I was going through

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and going, wait a second, I thought that already

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happened. Just know that going in. But you can

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watch it in either way. I, after having watched

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all of the films so many times and really liking,

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especially Anakin's character in Revenge of the

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Sith, but not so much. I was like, well, but

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how, you know, they're talking about how amazing

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he is and how good he is at what he does and

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how great of a Jedi he is. And I don't understand

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how he gets there. This is how he gets there.

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And it blows my mind, like how much character

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development is in that show, is hidden essentially

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in that show. Because obviously Clone Wars came

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out before. Everybody was like, oh, yeah, TV

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shows bridge gaps in movies. This is how it goes.

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And, you know, the Marvel -esque stuff and the

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Star Wars TV shows and everything like this was

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pre all of that. And so it got missed and it

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should not be missed. Yeah. If Clone Wars was

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just seasons five, six and seven, I'd be right

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there with you. I have a tough time with seasons

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one and two when it's really the Disney show

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pre Disney takeover when it's not technically

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canon and they're just kind of making a show

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to fill time. And I mean, there's great stuff

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with it. And, and I think they were really, I

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think everyone on that project is trying their

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best. I'm not trying to shoot down the people

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who worked on it. It's just like, it's made for

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a very specific demographic. And. So that's kind

00:23:07.779 --> 00:23:11.660
of why that show, I love, I love the show Clone

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Wars. It's really fun. And it does, I think Hayden

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Christensen said he had to watch it for preparation

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for when he's on Ahsoka to see what, you know,

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they'd done. And he came and he thanked the writers

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because he was like, what you guys have done

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for Anakin's character is remarkable. It's amazing.

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So it's a really good show. Everybody should

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watch it. Also, Ahsoka. Ahsoka. We'll talk about

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Ahsoka. We will. We'll talk about Ahsoka. We'll

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get there. We'll get there. We'll get there.

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Yes. But I think it's just a really excellent

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show. And we'll put out on social media the couple

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ways that you can watch. Obviously, as you were

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saying, the sequence. Just watch one all the

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way through. Thank you. Yeah. And then there's

00:23:50.569 --> 00:23:52.210
the chronological, which we'll put out on social

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media so you guys can see that too. Now, my favorite

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series. I will shout out an honorable mention

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to the OG animated Clone Wars, which. is in this

00:24:03.940 --> 00:24:07.420
2D, almost Samurai Jack from Cartoon Network

00:24:07.420 --> 00:24:11.980
animation style, where Mace Windu takes out a

00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:14.900
thousand robots with one force move. It's amazing.

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That's where General Grievous gets introduced,

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and it leads all the way right up to Revenge

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of the Sith. That was the first time that I'd

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experienced a TV show sort of bridging a gap.

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It doesn't go on for seven seasons. It's like

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two. And so there's not as much... time to deal

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with all these characters. So I just give that

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a nice little shout out. I'll also give a shout

00:24:37.779 --> 00:24:40.779
out to see parts of Mandalorian, which I really,

00:24:40.819 --> 00:24:43.579
really love. And the new Ahsoka show, which I

00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:46.779
thought was really amazing. And sort of on the

00:24:46.779 --> 00:24:49.200
flip side of my actual pick, Ahsoka is like,

00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.980
I think the best version for TV shows of exploring

00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:55.980
the force. So I might say Rebels to me, it's

00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:58.940
Ahsoka. And there's just a little bit of... It

00:24:58.940 --> 00:25:00.740
just hits a little different when it's live action

00:25:00.740 --> 00:25:02.539
and matches up a little bit more with the movies

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to me. And so Ahsoka, I think, does the best

00:25:04.539 --> 00:25:07.160
of Exploring the Forest. My pick is Andor, which

00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.279
is not a controversial pick right now, as we

00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:14.380
record this in May of 2025. And Andor's final

00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:18.059
three episodes just dropped. And it's all the

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:21.720
rage in a lot of critically acclaimed as well

00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.240
as fans loving it. It's not a controversial pick,

00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.539
but sometimes the pick is the pick. Sometimes

00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:31.279
LeBron James is MVP. Sometimes the Warriors win.

00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:35.319
Sometimes it's just like the people that are

00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:39.900
the best are going to win. And Andor, to me,

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:46.779
is timely. and it explores the world, the political

00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:49.940
world of the Empire, and shows us why Luke's

00:25:49.940 --> 00:25:52.140
justified in blowing up the Death Star. Not that

00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:55.640
we needed much justification, but it really shows

00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.859
us what the Empire's doing from a day -to -day

00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:00.319
basis of politics and gives a great commentary

00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.920
on how things go wrong in the real world, too.

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.920
So I'm going to go with Andor. Nice. Yeah, which

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.529
kind of leads into, objectively, At this point

00:26:11.529 --> 00:26:15.309
is a review based on the reviews of others. I'm

00:26:15.309 --> 00:26:19.069
going to go with Andor. Just everything that

00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:22.750
I've been seeing recently. Spoiler alert. I have

00:26:22.750 --> 00:26:27.450
not seen it. So no spoilers here. Not yet. Okay.

00:26:27.829 --> 00:26:32.470
Mine is also Andor. And that is hands down, no

00:26:32.470 --> 00:26:34.789
doubt. And it could be overtaken by other shows.

00:26:34.869 --> 00:26:36.609
There's a lot to come out, right? We'll see.

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:39.960
We'll see. We'll see. That moves us into our

00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.819
favorite video game of Star Wars. And I'm coming

00:26:43.819 --> 00:26:48.039
out swinging with an oldie but a goodie. I'm

00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.380
going out with Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:55.039
from the mid -aughts, which I played on a PC.

00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:59.440
It was my first PC game. I hacked into it with

00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.200
some cheat codes like you would with The Sims

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.480
during those days and turned up the speed a thousand

00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.750
percent because... Goodness gracious, it takes

00:27:06.750 --> 00:27:09.029
forever to walk around the desert of Tatooine

00:27:09.029 --> 00:27:13.869
with your main character. Listener Sierra has

00:27:13.869 --> 00:27:17.690
not yet played this game. Nope. So I can't really

00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:21.769
mention anything because there's so much potential

00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:25.250
for spoiler just by briefly diving into things.

00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:29.250
That game is Bioware, which, lo and behold, is

00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:31.740
actually my... favorite video game company out

00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:34.160
there i know sierra and i both love dragon age

00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.339
i think is our favorite video game uh maker and

00:27:37.339 --> 00:27:39.660
we'll definitely be doing some dragon age podcasts

00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:43.119
on here and bioware is like you know there's

00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.700
the system of like you can have dialogue choices

00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:48.859
that was a first for me you can uh choose light

00:27:48.859 --> 00:27:50.700
side or dark side and your character changes

00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:53.779
based off of what you do and you can unlock different

00:27:53.779 --> 00:27:56.160
things depending on if you're neutral light or

00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.970
dark that was all new for me You could dual wield

00:27:58.970 --> 00:28:01.329
lightsabers. That was new for me. There was just

00:28:01.329 --> 00:28:05.089
a ton of stuff that I thought was great about

00:28:05.089 --> 00:28:07.970
that game. But mainly it came down to story and

00:28:07.970 --> 00:28:11.069
just like this awesome cast of characters and

00:28:11.069 --> 00:28:12.970
you're flying around in your ship, the Ebon Hawk,

00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:14.930
and you're going to all these worlds to solve

00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:18.130
a mystery. And to me, it is the best Star Wars

00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:21.289
video game supposedly being made into a remake

00:28:21.289 --> 00:28:24.400
like they did with Final Fantasy VII. Like with

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.940
most new Star Wars projects, I doubt it's ever

00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:29.019
going to come out at the moment until I actually

00:28:29.019 --> 00:28:32.000
see it, a trailer, more of a trailer for it.

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:34.359
So that's where I'm landing and I won't say anymore.

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.779
Nice. Well, my favorite is Jedi Survivor. Great

00:28:40.779 --> 00:28:44.680
game. Which narrowly beat Jedi Fallen Order,

00:28:44.859 --> 00:28:50.180
the first one for me. I just think. While you

00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:54.039
don't have necessarily the choices, I just think

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.880
that the gameplay is excellent. I think that

00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.019
the characters are very interesting. It feels

00:29:00.019 --> 00:29:03.900
like you're playing a movie, which I kind of

00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.960
love. And then in Jedi Survivor, slightly more,

00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.980
well, a lot more open world, being able to just

00:29:12.980 --> 00:29:17.299
run around and explore, run into different. Creatures

00:29:17.299 --> 00:29:22.380
and enemies and whatnot. And I, yeah, I found

00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:25.900
myself sinking a whole lot of time just walking

00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:30.319
around. Yeah. And getting frustrated by not being

00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:37.119
able to jump to certain places. So I, yeah, I

00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.839
will, I'll talk a little bit more about it later,

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.619
but I just really love, yeah, I just really love

00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:49.819
it. Yeah. I think it was also kind of what re

00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:53.460
-sparked my interest. Love of Star Wars? Yeah,

00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:55.819
exactly. My interest in my love of Star Wars

00:29:55.819 --> 00:30:01.420
was playing these games. So, yeah, I just, I

00:30:01.420 --> 00:30:05.960
want another one. Same. Or I want to replay them

00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.920
again and again. I'm really excited, Sierra,

00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:14.049
for you to play. uh star wars the force unleashed

00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:17.710
one and two yes um because yes you'll see how

00:30:17.710 --> 00:30:20.029
especially the first one fallen order kind of

00:30:20.029 --> 00:30:24.250
is the disney's next step into a i think a better

00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:27.549
game genuinely i love the force unleashed games

00:30:27.549 --> 00:30:29.410
um but i think the fallen order games are a little

00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:31.230
bit better especially better than force unleashed

00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.309
2 which anybody who's played that knows is criminally

00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:36.869
short but uh you'll see how the mechanics for

00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:40.410
That kind of feed right into Fallen Order, and

00:30:40.410 --> 00:30:42.450
I'm excited to hear your takes on all of that.

00:30:42.690 --> 00:30:44.849
Yeah. They've been sitting on my shelf for a

00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:48.609
while, so I'm excited. Good. Excellent. Objectively,

00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:52.430
we're aligned. You, because of rumor mongering,

00:30:52.529 --> 00:30:55.750
and mainly Garrett and I talking your head off

00:30:55.750 --> 00:30:59.230
of KOTOR for Patreon content for Three Broomsticks.

00:30:59.349 --> 00:31:04.210
But we both have KOTOR as the objective. Yes.

00:31:04.549 --> 00:31:08.309
Which we will say no more about. Indeed. Moving

00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:13.130
on from general content to characters, I think

00:31:13.130 --> 00:31:18.529
our favorite prequel character, my favorite is

00:31:18.529 --> 00:31:21.789
Obi -Wan Kenobi. I think he's amazing. I think

00:31:21.789 --> 00:31:26.690
he's great. I think he has a very interesting

00:31:26.690 --> 00:31:30.970
character development. Sometimes I think maybe

00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:34.289
he... comes across a little more one -dimensional

00:31:34.289 --> 00:31:39.150
in comparison with Anakin's fall and whatnot.

00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:45.569
But seeing him go from Padawan to Master... Master

00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:51.750
on the Council. Yeah, exactly. Yes, granted a

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:55.630
membership on the Council as well as the rank

00:31:55.630 --> 00:32:00.160
of Master. I think that he is... Just very interesting.

00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.180
I've always liked his character. The fact that

00:32:04.180 --> 00:32:10.160
it's Ewan McGregor, just cherry on top. But yeah,

00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.640
so Obi for me. Obi's great. Really, really an

00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.440
excellent pick. Very close to mine as well. I

00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.779
love Ewan McGregor in that role. You're right.

00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.329
At points, because... Obi's character development

00:32:23.329 --> 00:32:26.089
feels a little bit more subtle, which is not

00:32:26.089 --> 00:32:29.509
hard as compared to Anakin's childlike wonder

00:32:29.509 --> 00:32:33.849
into killing children. He can feel a bit flat

00:32:33.849 --> 00:32:36.190
and lost in the movie. Just the character, not

00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:38.609
Ewan McGregor's acting. But overall, he still

00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:41.230
has much character growth. And we get so much

00:32:41.230 --> 00:32:44.349
more of it, too, with the Obi -Wan show. That

00:32:44.349 --> 00:32:47.569
being said, he's not my pick. My pick is Qui

00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:49.869
-Gon Jinn, Jedi Master Qui -Gon Jinn, played

00:32:49.869 --> 00:32:54.819
by Liam Neeson. And, like, my father figure for

00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:58.920
all of 1999. I'm kidding. My dad is a great dad

00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.900
and was awesome and absolutely my father figure.

00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.059
But Qui -Gon Jinn just captured my imagination

00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:08.000
and gave a seriousness and a religiousness to

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.200
the Force that I don't feel like we'd really

00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.940
seen before. You know, Luke and Mark Hamill has

00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:16.279
those moments of, like, deep sort of cognitive...

00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.880
feeling where he's like mentally in control.

00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.519
But Qui -Gon and Liam Neeson brings this almost

00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.059
prayerful sense. I mean, and it was also like

00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:27.980
they make Qui -Gon look, and I think this is

00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:30.559
purposeful, a little bit more of like the sort

00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.700
of European depiction of what Jesus looks like

00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:35.079
as well. So that's not hurting in that regard.

00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:40.019
But his seriousness, his wisdom, his willingness

00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.779
to push against authority for the sense of what's

00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:46.819
right, and his tragic demise. really affected

00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:48.920
me. I remember two characters that have affected

00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:50.859
me that much in the moment of being like, wait,

00:33:50.900 --> 00:33:52.140
no, no, no, no, no, no. They're going to save

00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.240
him. He's going to come back somehow. We'll see

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.839
him as a force ghost in just a second. Was Qui

00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.180
-Gon Jinn and Sirius Black. Sirius Black, same

00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:01.299
thing. Oh my gosh, he's going to be a ghost.

00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.680
Like, he's going to come back. Like, just in

00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.960
my bones felt that. And it was the same for Qui

00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.780
-Gon. And he's just an absolute peach of a character.

00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.599
And then ironically, We moved to the objectively

00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.579
best prequel character, and it's neither of our

00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:25.420
favorites. But objectively, we both thought Anakin.

00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:29.880
There's just not really another option here,

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.960
I feel like. Anakin going from the childlike

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.400
wonder to child murdering, as you stated. And

00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.099
just everything that he has to go through. All

00:34:42.099 --> 00:34:46.699
the time and the learning and his fall and et

00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:51.340
cetera, et cetera. There really is no better

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:57.900
character in terms of realism. And I have said

00:34:57.900 --> 00:35:00.760
this on other things before. I don't know if

00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.460
it's been in a recording thing, but I harp on

00:35:03.460 --> 00:35:06.449
this all the time. The reason why Anakin is annoying

00:35:06.449 --> 00:35:10.010
at times is because he's real. Everybody knows

00:35:10.010 --> 00:35:12.590
a person who was that annoying as a teenager.

00:35:12.849 --> 00:35:15.969
When they're 19. If you don't think that you

00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:22.269
know someone that annoying, it was you. It was

00:35:22.269 --> 00:35:28.309
you. Yeah. Sorry. But, like, it's so real, and

00:35:28.309 --> 00:35:31.969
that's why it's so uncomfortable. Yeah. And I

00:35:31.969 --> 00:35:34.710
think that it's perfect. Like, the director was

00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:39.030
like, Hayden, be a 19 -year -old boy in love.

00:35:39.269 --> 00:35:41.710
And he was like, got it. You got it. Nailed it.

00:35:41.889 --> 00:35:45.449
In one. And everybody was like, oh, it's so cringy.

00:35:45.469 --> 00:35:47.349
And it's like, well, yeah. That's the point.

00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:50.889
It's a 19 -year -old boy in love. What did you

00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:53.389
think it was going to be? You know, and I think,

00:35:53.489 --> 00:35:57.119
so, Anakin's character arc is... Really well

00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.380
done. And that's the whole point of the prequels,

00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:01.920
is to show two different things. Sort of the

00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.699
politics of how dictatorships gets created from

00:36:04.699 --> 00:36:07.760
a broad stroke and how the Jedi fell, mixed in

00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.300
with how Anakin was created to become Vader.

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.599
And I think George Lucas gave an interview at

00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.079
some point where he's like, Vader's misunderstood

00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.360
and people don't know where he came from. And

00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.219
where he's not wrong because he knew Vader's

00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:24.019
backstory. It was also kind of like, yeah, but

00:36:24.019 --> 00:36:26.099
he's misunderstood because... Because we don't

00:36:26.099 --> 00:36:29.079
have any information. Right. Like, nobody knows.

00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:34.119
We don't have context. And so they did. He told

00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.619
us. And that arc that he takes from the boy who

00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:41.500
wants to help as much as he can and can't believe

00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:45.679
that Jedis can ever be killed goes to being a

00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.460
young man who's overprotective and can't let

00:36:49.460 --> 00:36:54.250
go. And so he needed his grandson in his ear

00:36:54.250 --> 00:37:00.050
going, you gotta let go! But he doesn't. And

00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:04.230
so that arc is just unbeatable to me. Yeah. And

00:37:04.230 --> 00:37:05.929
so he ends up being the best character, even

00:37:05.929 --> 00:37:07.969
if you don't like the writing in Attack of the

00:37:07.969 --> 00:37:10.150
Clones, right? Even if you don't love the monologue

00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:13.449
about sand, that still tells us a lot about Anakin's

00:37:13.449 --> 00:37:15.889
character. It tells us a lot. The sand that he's,

00:37:15.889 --> 00:37:18.329
you know, they're in Lake Como when they fill

00:37:18.329 --> 00:37:22.010
that scene. The sand there is soft. It is warm.

00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.969
It is glorious. There's probably a nice little

00:37:24.969 --> 00:37:28.710
breeze. It's not. The sand of Tunisia, where

00:37:28.710 --> 00:37:30.969
it's coarse and it gets everywhere. And yet he

00:37:30.969 --> 00:37:32.650
still hates it no matter where it goes, right?

00:37:32.889 --> 00:37:35.710
And that little line ends up giving us, whether

00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:38.010
you like this or not, it gives us reason as to

00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:40.869
why Vader never goes to Tatooine to look for

00:37:40.869 --> 00:37:45.309
his stepbrother and stepsister -in -law. Because

00:37:45.309 --> 00:37:48.690
he hates that planet so much that he will never

00:37:48.690 --> 00:37:50.630
step foot in there. Therefore, that is why Luke

00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:54.269
is safe with his family. That's why Obi -Wan

00:37:54.269 --> 00:37:58.079
is safe, you know? There's just such rich detail

00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.000
for his character provided in all three movies

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.079
that it's nigh impossible to beat. And for us,

00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:09.280
makes him the best objective character. Jumping

00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.099
into when he's Vader, we're talking now about

00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:16.179
our fave OG trilogy characters, in which I have

00:38:16.179 --> 00:38:20.820
made a very firm decision, very conclusive decision,

00:38:21.019 --> 00:38:27.690
that it's Han Luke Leia. One entity. When you

00:38:27.690 --> 00:38:30.670
put this doc together and I'm looking through

00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:32.630
the notes and I'm trying to figure out who this

00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:36.150
favorite is, I cannot separate these three. And

00:38:36.150 --> 00:38:37.590
maybe that's just because I've done too much

00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:41.090
reading about all of them together and read Carrie

00:38:41.090 --> 00:38:44.230
Fisher's books and read books detailing the history

00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:46.469
of how this got made. But, you know, it almost

00:38:46.469 --> 00:38:48.869
wasn't Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford and Carrie

00:38:48.869 --> 00:38:50.809
Fisher. There was that trio up against another

00:38:50.809 --> 00:38:54.780
trio. And they decide to go with Harrison and

00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:58.480
Mark and Carrie. And from that point forward,

00:38:58.619 --> 00:39:02.320
those movies are built on the relationships of

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.519
the trio. Something that we don't get as much

00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.559
in the prequels. Although we do get some, right?

00:39:08.619 --> 00:39:12.619
We get Obi and Padme and Anakin. But not to the

00:39:12.619 --> 00:39:14.440
same extent that you get Han, Luke, and Leia.

00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.860
And we certainly don't get it nearly as much

00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:20.190
in the sequels. No. Poe doesn't even meet Rey

00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:24.730
until the very end of Last Jedi. So those three

00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:27.769
together, their synergy as actors and therefore

00:39:27.769 --> 00:39:31.829
on screen kind of is Star Wars to me, which is

00:39:31.829 --> 00:39:34.889
why I can't really make a decision. You know,

00:39:34.929 --> 00:39:38.030
I go back and forward. Leia's my favorite character

00:39:38.030 --> 00:39:41.230
in the first movie, in A New Hope. Luke is my

00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:43.309
favorite character in Empire Strikes Back. And

00:39:43.309 --> 00:39:45.730
Han is my favorite character in Return of the

00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:52.099
Jedi. I don't know. Chewie, I guess. He's also

00:39:52.099 --> 00:39:55.480
great. R2 -D2, fantastic character. But to me,

00:39:55.579 --> 00:39:58.179
it's those three, and maybe I'll make a better

00:39:58.179 --> 00:40:02.079
decision at the end of this whole journey. Maybe.

00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:05.820
Well, I've made a decision, and it's Han. Well

00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:12.000
done. Han's a favorite. I love a rogue, an outsider

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:18.590
to the Force. I love his disbelief in it. Even

00:40:18.590 --> 00:40:24.250
when confronted right in his face. It just I

00:40:24.250 --> 00:40:29.710
love the humor that he brings and the overconfidence

00:40:29.710 --> 00:40:33.050
that type of a character has always appealed

00:40:33.050 --> 00:40:37.389
to me. Give me a sassy character who will just

00:40:37.389 --> 00:40:41.449
speak his mind any day. Yeah, I just appreciate

00:40:41.449 --> 00:40:44.150
that type of a character, especially in a world.

00:40:44.809 --> 00:40:47.030
where things are so crazy all the time, I just

00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:49.389
feel like it brings a sense of, like, reality

00:40:49.389 --> 00:40:52.010
and kind of bringing people back down to Earth.

00:40:52.469 --> 00:40:59.429
Yes, ironically, since we're in space. So I just...

00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:05.269
That's my thing. My special shout -out is to

00:41:05.269 --> 00:41:09.409
11 -year -old Warwick Davis as Wicked the Ewok.

00:41:09.710 --> 00:41:12.320
I feel like no matter what... If Warwick Davis

00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.440
is in the movie, you're going to figure out a

00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.539
way to mention him. I will figure out a way to

00:41:17.539 --> 00:41:21.440
mention him. I will, because he's amazing. I

00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.519
just recently read a thing about how he was talking

00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.360
about Harry Fisher and how she was, like, offering

00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.940
him snacks and stuff all the time. And basically,

00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:35.519
like, the best possible person that an 11 -year

00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.420
-old Ewok could want around. He had a little

00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:42.550
crush on her. Yeah, so cute. So, yeah, I just

00:41:42.550 --> 00:41:45.489
think that that's really sweet. But anyway, yes,

00:41:45.710 --> 00:41:50.710
Han Solo for the win. We both have the same Han

00:41:50.710 --> 00:41:55.469
shot first. As our expert Garrett Fielding will

00:41:55.469 --> 00:41:58.670
tell you, no, Han didn't shoot first. Han shot,

00:41:58.929 --> 00:42:03.889
period. Shot, period, yes, exactly. Okay, so

00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:07.460
our objective is the same. It's Vader. It was

00:42:07.460 --> 00:42:09.300
funny because when we put together this document,

00:42:09.380 --> 00:42:13.179
we put it down. We both had Luke as our objective

00:42:13.179 --> 00:42:15.960
best character for this spot. And then we both

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.340
went back and we're like, no, no, it's Vader.

00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:22.300
And there's literally at the exact same time.

00:42:22.539 --> 00:42:26.019
Precisely. We were way far down. And without

00:42:26.019 --> 00:42:28.739
talking about it, we'd both went up and we both

00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:33.239
saw each other edit Luke to Vader. Vader. It

00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:37.010
was awesome. There's great. So the honorable

00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:38.989
mention of Luke Skywalker, incredible arc during

00:42:38.989 --> 00:42:41.269
the series. You know, those moments of like,

00:42:41.329 --> 00:42:43.030
will he, won't he to the dark side are really

00:42:43.030 --> 00:42:45.929
great. But like, but, but, but Vader is like

00:42:45.929 --> 00:42:48.369
probably one of the most iconic people in film

00:42:48.369 --> 00:42:53.170
ever. Period. Yeah. And the most important part

00:42:53.170 --> 00:42:56.320
of Star Wars period. The thing that got people

00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.679
to the theater, period. The biggest mystery in

00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.579
cinematic history, period, from a mass production

00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:06.000
standpoint. Like, there's really not much more

00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.340
to say. He's an incredible character. Obviously,

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:11.179
it's a continuation of Anakin, but it's so different.

00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.619
Yes. It's very, very different. It provides the

00:43:15.619 --> 00:43:18.400
emotional tones that you need for this series

00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.380
in a way that people just didn't expect and is

00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:23.780
one of the reasons. To me, it's the reason why

00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:26.820
people like Star Wars is initially Vader and

00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:31.079
James Earl Jones' amazing voice. Exactly. So

00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:35.940
that's that on that. Not much else to say. Bet

00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:38.559
nobody can guess what's coming up next. It's

00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:43.900
our favorite sequel character. I have a little

00:43:43.900 --> 00:43:48.780
bit of a longer answer just in terms of a little

00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:51.659
bit of joking. So my real answer is Kylo Ren.

00:43:51.940 --> 00:43:54.920
I'm just going to spoil it here. He's my favorite,

00:43:54.980 --> 00:43:57.320
but I think he's also objectively the best. And

00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.019
I think there's a variety of reasons. And what

00:44:00.019 --> 00:44:03.679
it really comes down to is he's the most intriguing

00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.380
in terms of where he directly comes from, but

00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:12.409
then where he also draws his. kind of his like

00:44:12.409 --> 00:44:19.130
self lore and i think that he has the most dramatic

00:44:19.130 --> 00:44:24.909
choices to make um the most interesting abilities

00:44:24.909 --> 00:44:29.409
the i won't necessarily say most interesting

00:44:29.409 --> 00:44:33.789
character development but i will say that just

00:44:33.789 --> 00:44:36.170
i think it really just goes back to his choices

00:44:36.170 --> 00:44:42.800
like in every kind of section of every film he

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:47.500
has a choice um and he's kind of all over the

00:44:47.500 --> 00:44:50.039
place on where he goes and i think that that

00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.699
makes him fascinating and those choices though

00:44:52.699 --> 00:44:55.960
feel earned that's the thing is that each time

00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.280
you kind of understand a little bit why why he's

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.500
making that choice and it makes you feel there's

00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:06.860
such a there's such a oh yes oh no with him Exactly.

00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:09.579
Yeah. You're like, Oh, okay. So he chose, he

00:45:09.579 --> 00:45:12.300
chose in this direction. So like, clearly the

00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.440
next time he has a choice to make like this,

00:45:14.539 --> 00:45:16.920
he'll make the right one. And then he doesn't.

00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:25.699
And you're like, Oh no. Oh no. Oh, so yeah, that's

00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:29.340
my, that's my answer on that. My, um, my, my

00:45:29.340 --> 00:45:32.599
runner up is little BB eight Q lighter thumbs

00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:39.739
up. I just I think droids in general over the

00:45:39.739 --> 00:45:43.900
course of the entire Star Wars universe are just

00:45:43.900 --> 00:45:47.119
amazing and fascinating and all the different

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.230
types that there are and I just he's You can't

00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:54.929
not love him. Like, he's so cute. And literally

00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:57.789
every time he does the lighter thumbs up, every

00:45:57.789 --> 00:45:59.750
time I watch that movie and he does the lighter

00:45:59.750 --> 00:46:04.010
thumbs up, I crack up. Like, I like die laughing

00:46:04.010 --> 00:46:06.929
every time because it's the perfect comedic timing.

00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:10.190
And then my other honorable mention goes to,

00:46:10.309 --> 00:46:14.070
oh, what could have been? What could have been

00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:17.230
indeed? What could have been? Oh, that would

00:46:17.230 --> 00:46:19.849
have been so good. I also have Kylo for my favorite

00:46:19.849 --> 00:46:23.190
character, I think. And I was really close to

00:46:23.190 --> 00:46:26.070
putting Rey. But ultimately, I found a little

00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:29.670
bit more... Like, the torture within him is really

00:46:29.670 --> 00:46:33.690
interesting to me. And I am a sucker for characters

00:46:33.690 --> 00:46:36.610
going through that sort of emotional upheaval

00:46:36.610 --> 00:46:38.570
up and down and up and down and back and forth.

00:46:39.289 --> 00:46:43.289
And I think his character, fairly or unfairly,

00:46:43.289 --> 00:46:46.449
gets the most nuance. His character gets a lot

00:46:46.449 --> 00:46:51.429
of attention, sometimes at the detriment to Finn

00:46:51.429 --> 00:46:54.170
and to Poe. His relationship with Rey is really

00:46:54.170 --> 00:46:56.650
interesting. His struggles with Snoke are really

00:46:56.650 --> 00:47:00.690
interesting. His hatred of Luke is fascinating,

00:47:01.050 --> 00:47:04.889
although a little unexplored in the third film

00:47:04.889 --> 00:47:09.469
for me. So I have Kylo there as well. Yeah. For

00:47:09.469 --> 00:47:11.449
my objective two, it's Kylo, although I do have

00:47:11.449 --> 00:47:13.829
honorable mentions to BB -8, who I think is...

00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:15.980
Kind of, if I start to think about it too hard,

00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.320
I start to talk myself into BB -8 is the best

00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.619
character in that movie franchise. Because he's

00:47:20.619 --> 00:47:23.420
amazing. She's awesome. She's fantastic. She's

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.980
so good. You'll hear me refer to BB -8 as she.

00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:29.139
I think canonically in the movie, it's he. Although

00:47:29.139 --> 00:47:30.840
it's a droid, so it doesn't really matter. But

00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.880
the original creators and designers of BB -8

00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:38.679
designed her to be with... her being called she

00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.059
and the movie just decided to go away from that

00:47:41.059 --> 00:47:42.579
and but for whatever reason that's stuck on my

00:47:42.579 --> 00:47:44.679
head so you'll you'll hear me say bb -8's called

00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.579
she doesn't doesn't actually matter it's a droid

00:47:46.579 --> 00:47:48.739
yeah that's why you keep people hear me say that

00:47:48.739 --> 00:47:52.099
for the rest of this entire series i also part

00:47:52.099 --> 00:47:55.019
of me is also like bubble freak from rise of

00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:57.360
skywalker is a pretty dang good character for

00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.940
being such a minuscule part and pun unintended

00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.760
And so I'm like, again, if I start to think of

00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.860
it too hard, I start to like high school debate

00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:07.179
myself into being like, no, it's definitely Babu

00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:08.519
Freak because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:12.920
So it's Kylo for sure. But don't let me think

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.840
too hard because it'll be either Babu Freak or

00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.719
BB -8 after too long. If I start thinking too

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:25.099
much, it'll be Maz. Maz. Nice. Okay, moving into

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:29.500
our fave TV series character. I have Ahsoka.

00:48:30.090 --> 00:48:34.030
Who we've spent the most time with in all the

00:48:34.030 --> 00:48:37.250
series. And Clone Wars Season 7 really comes

00:48:37.250 --> 00:48:40.349
in pinch -hitting in here for the win. I could

00:48:40.349 --> 00:48:42.650
have put a lot of different people for this.

00:48:42.690 --> 00:48:47.210
I love Grogu. I love the Mandalorian. I really

00:48:47.210 --> 00:48:51.909
like Savine Wren. I really, really love Thrawn.

00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.440
In a way that almost made me put Thrawn for this,

00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.699
but that has to do with books and like old non

00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:03.880
-canonical EU stuff too. So I went with Ahsoka.

00:49:03.940 --> 00:49:06.719
Ahsoka's character arc and character development

00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.940
is really fascinating, both from live action

00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:12.800
and from animation. So I just end up with Ahsoka

00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:17.000
there, even though I, as like a... teenager when

00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.960
Ahsoka was like, oh, Anakin had a Padawan between

00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.039
episodes two and three. And I was like, what?

00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.619
And we didn't hear about that in Revenge of the

00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:28.719
Sith? What are you talking about? That's impossible.

00:49:29.380 --> 00:49:33.300
And started crying like Luke in Empire. So, anyways.

00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:41.860
Ahsoka is my pick. My pick is tied between Anakin

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:47.119
and Darth Maul. Both of which, because of Clone

00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:52.360
Wars series, spoiler alert, Maul is dope. And

00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.159
not bad. He's a little too Kenobi for the first

00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.340
season for me. Yeah, but I feel like the rest

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:04.260
of it kind of makes up for it. His monologue

00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:07.380
in season seven is amazing. Yes, especially with

00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.780
my honorable mention of Savage. Which I'm floored

00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.179
he made it anywhere near a fave character. seriously

00:50:14.179 --> 00:50:17.739
i just as soon as i like had him as soon as i

00:50:17.739 --> 00:50:21.519
saw him i was like okay he's fascinating he's

00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:24.900
really cool and just the play between him and

00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:27.139
maul that play is great yeah you're right there

00:50:27.139 --> 00:50:29.920
is like compelling that's why i think he's like

00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.639
honorable mention is really just like that relationship

00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.000
yeah yeah totally but i just i feel like There's

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.619
so many interesting things that happen with Anakin.

00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:41.280
There's so many interesting things that happen

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:43.179
with Maul. And we kind of bounce back and forth

00:50:43.179 --> 00:50:47.119
and we see their developments and then their

00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.699
interactions with the same people, but in different

00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:53.960
ways. And it's just, yeah, I mean, I just think

00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:58.300
that the Clone Wars series does so much to really

00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:01.139
dive into their characters and mine them for

00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:04.000
all they're worth. And I think it's... Worth

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.900
it. I'm so excited for you to watch any of the

00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.880
other shows that you haven't seen as well. I

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.719
know. Just talking about this makes me so excited.

00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:16.199
Yes. Objectively. Objectively. You have who?

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.760
Objectively, from what I have heard, again, from

00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.920
what I have heard, it's Cassian Andor. Yeah.

00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.460
That just, he seems to be in the hearts of the

00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:30.860
people. Especially right now. Especially right

00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:32.199
now. He's in the zeitgeist for sure. Especially

00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:34.579
right now. So that's what I've got. Obviously,

00:51:34.579 --> 00:51:37.800
that's probably going to change. Or at least

00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:41.480
I will have a dedicated answer by the time we

00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.539
revisit this. By the time we revisit. After 70

00:51:44.539 --> 00:51:49.679
,000 hours of Star Wars content. I have... This

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.920
took me a long time to come up with. Objectively,

00:51:51.980 --> 00:51:54.260
as of right now. And again, I haven't seen the

00:51:54.260 --> 00:51:56.159
end of Andor. Maybe it is Cassian. I do have

00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.150
a character from that show, but it's... And I

00:51:58.150 --> 00:52:01.010
won't tell you what part of the show that she's

00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:05.349
in, but Marva Karasi Andor is Andor's mother.

00:52:06.130 --> 00:52:09.030
And she, to me, she's played by Fiona Shaw, who

00:52:09.030 --> 00:52:11.170
was Aunt Petunia in the Harry Potter movies.

00:52:11.449 --> 00:52:14.349
And she's phenomenal. And I think that character

00:52:14.349 --> 00:52:16.250
arc is really interesting and great. And it's

00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:17.789
a little bit like Qui -Gon to me, where it's

00:52:17.789 --> 00:52:22.090
like, wow, really perfect, but also not the entire

00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:26.659
time. Interesting. She's there. Qui -Gon's not

00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:27.920
there the whole time. She's not there the whole

00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.380
time. Yeah. So I know this spoils maybe a tiny

00:52:32.380 --> 00:52:35.179
bit, but I have her right now as my objective.

00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.460
But this is the answer that I think most convincingly

00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:41.119
will change and will continue to update the more

00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:44.639
Star Wars makes things. Yeah. True. True, true,

00:52:44.659 --> 00:52:48.460
true. We are moving into our last favorite character,

00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:53.179
and that is of video games. So obviously with

00:52:53.179 --> 00:52:57.480
my more limited network of video game playing,

00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:01.480
I went with, I could not decide between Cal,

00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:07.579
BD -1, and Bodakuna. Super hard. So Cal Kestis,

00:53:07.699 --> 00:53:13.579
Bodakuna, BD -1, all from the Jedi series, Survivor

00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:18.039
and Fallen Order. And I will have zero spoilers

00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.420
on this for anybody who has not played. But I

00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:26.380
think that the character developments, the heart

00:53:26.380 --> 00:53:33.019
-wrenching points in their storylines, the interactions

00:53:33.019 --> 00:53:36.340
they have with each other as well, all just amazing.

00:53:36.500 --> 00:53:40.440
The voice acting is phenomenal. and acting acting

00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.000
because they do a lot of acting acting exactly

00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.500
yeah and acting acting um for sure because that

00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:51.000
was all very much mo -capped um and then i i

00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.280
would frequently just like go places and like

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.760
sit down just to watch bd1 sit down and like

00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.579
wag his little legs together and i just have

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:03.699
a lego of him it's prominently in our living

00:54:03.699 --> 00:54:08.239
room i have i have the um Like the Black Series

00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.079
figure of Cal that has the beady one. Nice. Yeah,

00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.980
it's just, it's so cute. So anyway, that's my

00:54:14.980 --> 00:54:19.679
favorite. My favorite character is the main character

00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.699
of KOTOR, the playable character. And that's

00:54:22.699 --> 00:54:27.619
literally all I can say because there's, you

00:54:27.619 --> 00:54:30.460
know, there's big stuff in KOTOR. So you'll just

00:54:30.460 --> 00:54:31.659
have to play it, Sierra, and then we can actually

00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:34.039
have a proper conversation. Okay, that's fine.

00:54:34.510 --> 00:54:39.289
objectively i have heard that your favorite is

00:54:39.289 --> 00:54:43.750
the best but i also wonder how much of that is

00:54:43.750 --> 00:54:48.429
because you can pick some stuff yeah decide things

00:54:48.429 --> 00:54:53.190
and so i i i wrote that but as i'm saying it

00:54:53.190 --> 00:54:57.030
i kind of also objectively feel like maybe not

00:54:57.030 --> 00:55:01.579
and i i kind of want to throw Cal back in the

00:55:01.579 --> 00:55:06.019
mix. Cal's a great point. Objectively the best,

00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.219
but I'm going to leave this one pretty open for

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:12.980
future decisions. Yeah, I mean, again, I could

00:55:12.980 --> 00:55:15.219
high school debate myself into BD1 being the

00:55:15.219 --> 00:55:16.880
best video game character because it just really

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:21.119
sinks you hard into that first game, which can

00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.980
be a little clunky at the beginning before you've

00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:25.960
upgraded a bunch of powers, so BD1 kept me playing.

00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:31.409
Right. Okay, so... This starts to get into game

00:55:31.409 --> 00:55:33.510
theory, which is not what this podcast is about.

00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:37.130
The reason why I don't have the playable character

00:55:37.130 --> 00:55:41.110
from KOTOR as the objective best is because there's

00:55:41.110 --> 00:55:43.789
so much variation there. I think the type of

00:55:43.789 --> 00:55:45.389
character that I played, which was all good,

00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:50.510
that's the best character there. But it's malleable,

00:55:50.610 --> 00:55:54.989
so I didn't put it. From a gaming perspective...

00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:58.650
Playing the Ewok in Ewok Hunt in Battlefront

00:55:58.650 --> 00:56:02.210
2, the EA version, is a phenomenal experience.

00:56:03.230 --> 00:56:06.190
Just to explain a little bit of that level, Ewok

00:56:06.190 --> 00:56:10.170
Hunt is massive online player. So you're all

00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:12.409
together. It's like 20 of you, I think. And 17

00:56:12.409 --> 00:56:14.190
of you are stormtroopers running around in the

00:56:14.190 --> 00:56:16.289
dark. And you can turn your flashlight on or

00:56:16.289 --> 00:56:19.630
off. And three of you, if I'm getting this right,

00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:22.670
are Ewoks running around in the dark with night

00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:27.980
vision. able to see and to take out the stormtroopers.

00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:30.699
And it's really hard to spot the Ewoks, but you're

00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:34.179
trying to do like a make it to the escape ship

00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:37.619
before. And it's just like that playing as the

00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:40.920
Ewok is a phenomenal experience. And also it's

00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.139
an Ewok, so it's super cute. If we're taking

00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:44.960
it out until we're talking about actual character

00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:48.099
characters, I have either Karthor Nassi or Bastila

00:56:48.099 --> 00:56:52.219
Shan from KOTOR. They're your sort of two counterparts.

00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.280
So in a Dragon Age version, it would kind of

00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:58.639
be like Varric would be Carthel Nancy and Bastila

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.539
would be Isabella from Dragon Age 2. Although

00:57:02.539 --> 00:57:04.880
Bastila has a much more important role than Isabella

00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:08.260
does in Dragon Age 2. So I actually have one

00:57:08.260 --> 00:57:10.320
of those two. Both phenomenally acted. Great

00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:12.440
character arcs. Really fun. Really cool stuff.

00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:17.010
Nice. Moving on to our last. Category before

00:57:17.010 --> 00:57:19.190
a couple of bonuses, we've got our fave overall

00:57:19.190 --> 00:57:22.809
movie and then our fave overall characters. And

00:57:22.809 --> 00:57:26.070
none of this should really come as a surprise

00:57:26.070 --> 00:57:29.349
for fave overall movie show. I've got Empire

00:57:29.349 --> 00:57:34.070
for my fave. And you, Sierra, have? I have Empire

00:57:34.070 --> 00:57:39.829
and Clone Wars tied with, as I was thinking about

00:57:39.829 --> 00:57:42.170
it, honorable mention going to Revenge of the

00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:47.329
Sith, which surprised me. As I was writing it,

00:57:47.349 --> 00:57:49.510
I have a question, question, exclamation mark.

00:57:51.829 --> 00:57:56.510
Yeah, but that's my feelings at the moment. Honorable

00:57:56.510 --> 00:57:59.210
mentions would include Last Jedi, A New Hope,

00:57:59.389 --> 00:58:02.429
and Rogue One before we even got near sniffing

00:58:02.429 --> 00:58:04.869
revenge. But sure, this is why it's good for

00:58:04.869 --> 00:58:06.349
the pod. We have different opinions. Oh, see,

00:58:06.349 --> 00:58:10.340
you know, and I didn't even... throw Rogue One

00:58:10.340 --> 00:58:13.179
or Solo into my brain when I was thinking of

00:58:13.179 --> 00:58:14.900
this because we didn't have them in the categories

00:58:14.900 --> 00:58:21.420
above. Yeah. I know. Rogue One is really good.

00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:26.079
Gotta tell ya. Anyways, for objective, we both

00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.860
have the same. It's Empire. We've talked about

00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:31.119
it enough. Moving on to Fave overall character.

00:58:31.710 --> 00:58:34.309
My favorite overall character, not really going

00:58:34.309 --> 00:58:37.570
to come as a shock, Han Solo, Obi -Wan Kenobi.

00:58:37.909 --> 00:58:43.110
If I had to pick between the two, I think I would

00:58:43.110 --> 00:58:46.889
still lean Obi -Wan over Han. And as I'm saying

00:58:46.889 --> 00:58:49.510
it, I'm like hemming and hawing about it. But

00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:52.710
I do think that I would give a slight edge to

00:58:52.710 --> 00:58:57.489
Obi -Wan. Yeah, that's my gut feelings on this

00:58:57.489 --> 00:59:00.559
decision. That's a tough gut decision. I, you

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.780
know, if I had to choose one of my life depended

00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:07.460
on it, I don't know that I'd survive. There's

00:59:07.460 --> 00:59:10.679
just, you know, like, okay, maybe Vader, maybe

00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.119
Han, maybe Luke, maybe Leia, maybe Qui -Gon,

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.460
maybe Karan Horn, who you don't even know. Okay,

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:20.559
well, we don't need you spontaneously combusting

00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.139
about this one. I think Han, if I really, really

00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:26.539
have to push, and a lot of that has to do with

00:59:26.539 --> 00:59:29.900
Harrison Ford's just... Like he makes a whole

00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:35.619
career out of this movie. So I think, but who

00:59:35.619 --> 00:59:40.059
knows? But for objective. Objectively, we both

00:59:40.059 --> 00:59:42.639
said Bader. Yeah. We talked about it. He's yeah.

00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:47.480
He is Star Wars. Yep. Exactly. Too iconic. Bonus.

00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.480
Faith Droid, which when you put this in here.

00:59:50.909 --> 00:59:53.829
I swore at you because I don't like picking this

00:59:53.829 --> 00:59:56.309
because I love all the droids, like, so much.

00:59:56.369 --> 00:59:58.010
They're so good. When you watch the Obi -Wan

00:59:58.010 --> 01:00:00.690
show, Leia's droid will melt your heart. I'm

01:00:00.690 --> 01:00:03.389
just going to tell you. Oh, gosh. Okay, so I,

01:00:03.570 --> 01:00:06.250
maybe controversially, this is, I think, the

01:00:06.250 --> 01:00:08.110
first time that I would rank a sequel thing over

01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:10.670
anything else. I have Deebo. No, I'm kidding.

01:00:10.750 --> 01:00:15.829
I have BB -8 for my fave droid. Honorable mentions,

01:00:15.909 --> 01:00:20.239
of course, to R2 -D2. If we're picking an MVP,

01:00:20.780 --> 01:00:25.059
it's R2 -D2. But when in Last Jedi... I mean,

01:00:25.059 --> 01:00:27.980
the entire series is R2 -D2's account. I mean,

01:00:27.980 --> 01:00:29.539
it's supposed to be, and then they kind of mess

01:00:29.539 --> 01:00:33.980
that up with Force Awakens. So, honorable mentions

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:37.099
to R2 -D2, pick an MVP. But with BB -8, when

01:00:37.099 --> 01:00:40.260
Poe says to Finn, don't wait for me, and BB -8

01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:43.639
takes off to go prep the X -Wing while Kylo's

01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.219
attacking the ship at the beginning of Last Jedi.

01:00:45.869 --> 01:00:47.889
And then the ship blows up and BB -8 goes flying.

01:00:47.969 --> 01:00:50.690
I, like, gasp and was, like, legitimately concerned

01:00:50.690 --> 01:00:54.769
for this little hunk of junk's well -being. Another

01:00:54.769 --> 01:00:57.250
honorable mention goes to Chopper. Have you watched

01:00:57.250 --> 01:01:00.349
Rebels, Sierra? I forget. No, I have not yet.

01:01:00.349 --> 01:01:04.010
Okay. I've seen a few episodes, but I have not

01:01:04.010 --> 01:01:05.989
committed to the whole show yet. When you see

01:01:05.989 --> 01:01:09.369
it, you'll know why Chopper's in this list. Honorable

01:01:09.369 --> 01:01:11.090
mention to Chopper for very different reasons

01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:15.309
than BB -8. Very excited. My list, in order.

01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.300
I will go 4 -3 -2 -1. So, fourth place, R2 -D2.

01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:22.900
Crazy. We've talked enough about him. He's amazing.

01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:26.960
Third place, K2SO. Great pick. Second place,

01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:30.920
BB -8. Awesome. And first place, BD -1. Also,

01:01:31.059 --> 01:01:32.860
like, I can't really argue with it. I mean, it's

01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:35.179
not my list, but it's a great list. It's a great

01:01:35.179 --> 01:01:37.760
list. This is one of the most difficult things.

01:01:38.300 --> 01:01:42.239
Yeah. I put it on myself, and I hated myself

01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:46.880
for it. Yeah. Objectively, we both have the same

01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:50.460
droid. He's almost going to be R2. It's almost

01:01:50.460 --> 01:01:53.079
what Vader is to Star Wars. R2 is also to Star

01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.900
Wars. Exactly. Yeah. Like normally you would

01:01:55.900 --> 01:01:58.739
say what Legolas is to Lord of the Rings. Luke

01:01:58.739 --> 01:02:00.539
is to Star Wars. But it's just like what Vader

01:02:00.539 --> 01:02:04.380
is to Star Wars. R2 is also to Star Wars. Yeah.

01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:08.679
No. He's too iconic. He's too perfect. Yeah.

01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:13.739
And then our bonus bonus. Our favorite duel.

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Yeah. Okay, we're not touching objective here.

01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:18.920
There's no way to do it. There's way too many.

01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:21.199
There's no way. Neither of us know sword theory.

01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.119
I know some. Oh yeah, that's right. You're a

01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:29.880
black belt. Yeah, I know a fair amount. But we're

01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:31.340
still not going to get into it. I don't know

01:02:31.340 --> 01:02:34.460
anything about sword theory. No. Also, there's

01:02:34.460 --> 01:02:37.559
too many styles that different characters go

01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:41.250
with, so it would be a lot. But anyway. My head

01:02:41.250 --> 01:02:43.869
exploded. I, again, brought this on myself. And

01:02:43.869 --> 01:02:46.670
then my head exploded. Because I was like, obviously,

01:02:46.769 --> 01:02:51.389
it's going to be Maul v Qui -Gon and Obi. And

01:02:51.389 --> 01:02:53.670
then I was like, no, but obviously, it's going

01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:57.250
to be Anakin versus Obi -Wan. And then I was

01:02:57.250 --> 01:03:01.389
like, but Luke and Vader is so iconic. And then

01:03:01.389 --> 01:03:04.769
I was like, you know what? The Finn -Kylo fight

01:03:04.769 --> 01:03:09.730
before Rey jumps in? That's pretty intense. And

01:03:09.730 --> 01:03:11.210
then I was like, you know what? But there's something

01:03:11.210 --> 01:03:14.469
like just so great about that first moment that

01:03:14.469 --> 01:03:17.010
you see Yoda reach out and the lightsabers in

01:03:17.010 --> 01:03:19.989
his hand and he's doodling Dooku. And then and

01:03:19.989 --> 01:03:24.010
then you've got all the Clone Wars series has

01:03:24.010 --> 01:03:26.849
just so many. You've got Ventress versus Anakin.

01:03:27.070 --> 01:03:29.730
You've got Obi and Ventress versus Maul and Savage.

01:03:30.110 --> 01:03:33.010
You've got Maul versus Ahsoka. Sidious versus

01:03:33.010 --> 01:03:36.079
Maul and Savage, which like. Oh, my gosh. This

01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.099
is starting to sound like binary, where you just

01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:40.659
see zeros and ones in front of your face. Oh,

01:03:40.659 --> 01:03:43.420
my gosh. And then you've got Anakin versus Dooku

01:03:43.420 --> 01:03:47.800
in the series. There is a theme. Two of them.

01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.380
One of them, Clone Wars, is awesome when it comes

01:03:50.380 --> 01:03:53.960
to duels. Also, Maul just makes for a really

01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:57.159
cool duel. I'm making a split -second decision

01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.940
right this minute, based on gut and gut alone.

01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:06.369
And I am going... Anakin Obi -Wan on Mustafar.

01:04:06.670 --> 01:04:10.550
Yeah. Okay. So, I have a couple of honorable

01:04:10.550 --> 01:04:13.409
mentions, but you and I have the same pick. And

01:04:13.409 --> 01:04:16.250
I think it's because of the emotional stakes

01:04:16.250 --> 01:04:20.769
in that. And the way it ends. Exactly. Even though

01:04:20.769 --> 01:04:24.409
I'm not a huge fan of, like, the I hate you line.

01:04:25.190 --> 01:04:27.190
Like, everything about sort of... You love my

01:04:27.190 --> 01:04:32.900
brother? I love those lines. Yes. I... yeah,

01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:35.119
that's, that's my favorite duel. The, the amount

01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:36.639
of choreography, the behind the scenes of that

01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.139
is really intense. How much, uh, Obi -Wan and,

01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.480
and, and, or Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.179
are, are having fun for a second, then boom,

01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:48.880
back into it. Yeah. It's really cool. It's, it's

01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.639
great emotional stakes. It's incredible graphics,

01:04:50.860 --> 01:04:53.480
especially at the time. They just do all of these

01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:57.480
really neat things there. Amazing. So cool. So

01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.820
I would say that one, but honorable mentions

01:05:00.820 --> 01:05:07.280
to, Duel of Fates. That's Maul, Obi, and Qui

01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:11.239
-Gon. And honorable mention to Ahsoka Maul in

01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.380
Clone Wars Season 7, which might be one of my

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:18.480
favorite animated things ever. And an honorable

01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:25.380
mention to Acolyte, Episode 5, the Sith Kimir,

01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:30.250
going up against several Jedis. Stay tuned for

01:05:30.250 --> 01:05:33.269
that. Stay tuned for that, Sierra. Honorable

01:05:33.269 --> 01:05:35.750
mention to that because I really like that fight

01:05:35.750 --> 01:05:39.510
sequence. Stoked. There it is. So stoked. And

01:05:39.510 --> 01:05:41.650
that's it for us. So we're going to sign off

01:05:41.650 --> 01:05:45.250
here. Thank you guys so much for listening. Please

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is a pretty good place to start. Yeah. Got to

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We've kind of given you a taste of all the breadth

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01:06:37.179 --> 01:06:38.960
how my favorites are going to change by the end

01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.179
because I know that some of them will. I'm fascinated.

01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:45.300
For yours more than mine, I think. You've had

01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:47.059
a little bit more time to sit with these decisions.

01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.460
I have. I'm going to have a lot of fresh knowledge.

01:06:50.659 --> 01:06:52.139
Yes, you are. Much fresh knowledge. This is going

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01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:30.380
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01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:34.860
your waiters. Fandom Shmandom was created by

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01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.019
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01:07:40.019 --> 01:08:02.000
Fisher. The music is by Jeremiah Alves. So listeners,

01:08:02.059 --> 01:08:05.960
this is Sierra Obermark watching out of context,

01:08:06.019 --> 01:08:10.739
just the Acolyte episode five fight scene where

01:08:10.739 --> 01:08:16.680
the Sith Kimir fights a bunch of Jedi. Oh, there's

01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:19.000
like others. Oh, that's no, I don't like that.

01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.640
Which thing didn't you like? The giant pill bugs.

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:36.520
Oh yes. That is terrifying. Oh, man. Sorry about

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:43.680
the pill bugs. Oh, hey, I know him. Yes, he's

01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:47.100
from Squid Games. Yeah. It keeps like cutting

01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:50.279
to unrelated things. I know. I don't know why

01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:53.439
this scene is put together like this. Yeah, it

01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:56.479
seems very spliced, obviously. That's not how

01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:58.359
the show's edited. It's just the fight sequence.

01:08:58.939 --> 01:09:00.760
Oh, that's so weird. Yeah, I don't know why it

01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:03.359
keeps going over to the pill bug stuff. Mm -hmm.

01:09:03.819 --> 01:09:09.359
Ooh, ouch. A young Padawan. It's like, yeah,

01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.000
the same person is in both scenes, and it just

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.560
keeps going back and forth, and I'm like, wait,

01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:18.819
wait, wait, wait, wait. Split that pill bug down

01:09:18.819 --> 01:09:22.369
the middle. Yeah. God, his helmet is so cool,

01:09:22.430 --> 01:09:28.010
though. I know. Dun -dun -dun! Okay, the beginning

01:09:28.010 --> 01:09:32.750
of that is the coolest part. Yeah. Like, partway

01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:35.090
through the trees, and you just see, like, the...

01:09:35.090 --> 01:09:39.850
Ugh. That's very cool. Right? I'm excited. I'm

01:09:39.850 --> 01:09:41.810
very excited. Oh my gosh. It's such a great sequence.

01:09:41.829 --> 01:09:43.970
Isn't that a great fight sequence, too? It's

01:09:43.970 --> 01:09:47.270
such a good fight sequence, for sure. It's great.

01:09:47.789 --> 01:09:53.090
Yeah, I understand why that is in your... why

01:09:53.090 --> 01:09:55.569
that is definitely up there in your uh honorable

01:09:55.569 --> 01:09:56.729
mentions yeah absolutely
