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But, said Sam, and tears started in his eyes,

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I thought you were going to enjoy the Shire,

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too, for years and years, after all you have

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done. So I thought, too, once. But I have been

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too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire,

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and it has been saved, but not for me. It must

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often be so, Sam, when things are in danger.

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Someone has to give them up, lose them, so that

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others may keep them. From Eternity King, by

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J .R .R. Tolkien. Welcome to Fandom Shmandom.

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the fandom podcast that covers everything you

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love and more. I'm Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam

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Williams. Today's episode, we will be condescendingly

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conniving about Stranger Things Season 5, Episodes

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1 through 4. So a spoiler warning for you all.

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We will be talking about everything to do with

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Stranger Things. That includes all previous seasons,

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the play, and the first. Four episodes of season

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five. Keep your finger on the pause button and

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rewind that tape. It's the prestige category.

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What did we notice through our first watch through?

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Okay, so we're going to separate this into four

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categories, essentially. Biggest reactions, what

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we got right, what we got wrong, and biggest

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questions. Biggest reactions, episode one. Sierra,

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take it away. Yes! Yes, Vecna took Will. Confirmed.

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Not physically, but on his orders. It's the same.

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Yes, it's the same. End result, same thing. Vecna

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wanted Will. He took him. Confirmed. Immediately.

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The excitement that I had was palpable. It's

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a great first four or five minutes. It's awesome.

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Will is a little bit, like, superhero -esque

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at the beginning. The way that he's, like, jumping

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from trees and everything. I wonder if that backpack

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will be found. It, like, ostensibly is still

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up in the tree. Yeah, potentially. That could

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be an interesting little tidbit for sure. All

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right, and the next thing. I told you that Holly

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is important. I told you all, all of you. I said

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it and I said it again. You would know. Exactly.

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I said it and I said it again. And then I said

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it a third time. She's going to be important.

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There's something going on with her. Yes. So

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we'll, we'll go over a lot of this, but essentially

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Holly has an imaginary friend named Mr. What's

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it. Also, Holly is possessed by Vecna. We know

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this because Will sees through her eyes as she's

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spinning round and round and round. And then

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she's targeted by Vecna, taken by Vecna, and

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is in some really quite lovely place that's the

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upside down, but then her mind is in this other

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world. We'll get to that, too. I have honorable

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mentions for other biggest reactions, since those

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are definitely the two. Honorable mention to

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Jake the Snake. Cue the Obermark. Dun dun dun.

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I mentioned Jake the Snake because, first of

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all, there was a visceral reaction to Dustin

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being so, like, desolate and depressed. And everyone

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has a right to go through all of their emotions.

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But, like, from a show standpoint, I'm like,

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oh my gosh, Dusty, what has happened to you?

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Who hurt you? Oh, no, I know who hurt you. Demobats

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hurt you. But it's just a... It's a really hard

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watch for me to see Dustin go through all of

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this and to have Mike and company like talking

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behind his back and trying to cover it up when

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he comes over. And I get all their points, but

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I'm definitely team Dustin here while he's trying

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to protect Eddie's legacy and and always push

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for what's right. So I that whole scene with

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first of all, I will say Dustin, leave the snake.

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You don't need to get the snake involved. Like

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this is kind of on you. Like it is on them for

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killing him, but like you got the snake involved

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without its consent. Just leave it there. It

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wasn't doing anything. Yeah. But then to have

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it beheaded and used its blood to write something

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disparaging about Eddie is really awful. So horrible.

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Yeah. Go for it. No, keep going. Sorry. I just,

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I got another visceral reaction while thinking

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about it. It just. It makes for great audio content,

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my, like, shudder. Yeah, very much so. An honorable

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mention to Rockin' Robin and Steve with the rubber

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chicken. What a great job for Robin. What an

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awesome job she's doing. What a great job Steve

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is doing as her, like, disc jockey assistant.

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I think this is a fabulous little storyline,

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and I was here for it from the start. Yeah, it's

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definitely very fun. Brings levity into the more

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dire situations that we're in throughout the

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rest of all of the episodes. We get a little

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bit of a moment of, oh, right, we can have fun

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here. Can we? I guess. One more honorable mention.

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Just the crawl, the fact that they've been doing

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these. Oh, so cool. So dope. Very video game

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-esque, too, especially with the back and forth

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between Mike, suddenly cool character, and Nancy,

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always been a cool character, as they give the

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lowdown of what they're doing in their two different

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spots. They've really got this system down very

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well. It's just been really cool to see all of

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the things that they've been doing in between

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seasons four and five. really just like such

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a neat experience sitting through all of that

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and going oh this is what they've been doing

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here's how they do it what ingenious people these

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guys are with all the different roles that each

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character has it's everybody's involved everybody's

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vital to getting the crawl off the ground and

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being able to have it work successfully and they

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really i mean have figured out a system. Everybody

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has their place. Everybody knows exactly what

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their marching orders are. And just the way that

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they all rely on each other as well is really

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great. Nobody is really taking an in -charge

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position just in terms of pulling rank on anybody.

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I'm older or something like that. The only time

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that we see this is just Hopper not wanting L

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to go with him. Totally. Which... is understandable

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and also for different reasons then he doesn't

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think that she's capable right yeah absolutely

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from episode two ted wheeler my goodness and

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is that molly weasley soundtrack i mean wait

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no it's it's still karen wheeler uh yeah it's

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it's karen wheeler first of all Very bummed that

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we cut the adults we don't care about from our

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season five prediction section, because I did

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have both Wheeler parents on there. So these

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two characters are like almost willfully ignorant

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at this point, choosing not to see what's going

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on. They're certainly obtuse when it comes to

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the upside down stuff and just like have no understanding

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as to where their kids are at any point. Demogorgon

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comes to claim Holly for Vecna. Ted. No question.

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Doesn't try and run. Immediately starts attacking

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it with the golf club. Doesn't do very much damage,

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but good for Ted. Karen, on the other hand, gets

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like nine licks in with her wine bottle before

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she is slashed, which is super dope. So this

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is like back in, gosh, was it season? Two or

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season three. Season three. Because that's where

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Nancy's dealing with the awful journalist people.

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Exactly. When she's, you know, giving Nancy this

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whole speech about how you have to be strong

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and you have to still stand up for yourself.

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And where did I get my strength from? I got it

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from you. And we were kind of questioning. Yeah,

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Nancy says that about her mom, right? Nancy says

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that about Karen. I got my strength from you.

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Because Karen's like, I don't even know where

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you get your strength from. And Nancy's like,

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I got it from you. We're like, show me the receipts.

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Apparently we just needed to wait a little bit

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longer because here are the receipts. Nancy has

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future sight. The whole other opportunity of

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characters is now out there. Yeah. Yeah. It turns

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out she does get it from Karen Wheeler. Good.

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Very, very good. I will say it kind of feels

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cheap to have one in a coma and one in critical

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but stable condition in terms of the parents.

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What do you mean by that? Well, the parents.

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Oh. Karen is awake and in stable condition, and

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Ted is in a coma. And I'm like, did the Demogorgon

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not eviscerate both of them? How is it that no

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death has happened? Oh, to not have them dead,

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for sure. I definitely agree. At least I know

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that we need one of them alive to be able to

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say something about Holly. But the fact that...

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neither of them are dead is absolutely wild maybe

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maybe the duffel brothers don't want to give

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nancy and mike like sort of additional we need

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to kill these people energy so that they're not

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focusing entirely too much on revenge for parents

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but both things being fine gives a little bit

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of a reprieve for those two characters i just

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like with the lack of death that has occurred

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in these four episodes it's a little bit difficult

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for me to get behind I can see them not wanting

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to kind of go down the Disney main character.

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Yeah. Always an orphan or something like that.

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I can see why they don't want that as a kind

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of a forward backstory of Nancy and Mike. But

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at the same time, it does seem unrealistic, especially

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based on what we've seen Demogorgons do and people.

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Dying from less from a death organ. It feels

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a bit Star Wars -y in that case where it's like

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Qui -Gon died from being stabbed in the gut.

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What is happening to all of these other gut -stabbed

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people that are living? Qui -Gon gets stabbed

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in the gut. Darth Maul gets cut in half. Still

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alive. Still alive. Anyways. Okay. First of all.

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With these two characters and all of that stuff

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that's going on. And just, especially this, like,

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get away from my daughter sort of moment that

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Karen Wheeler has with, that's just such an allusion

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to Molly Weasley's moment of protecting Ginny

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from Bellatrix in book seven. Either the Duffer

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brothers have gone, like, gloves off with nerd

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references and just decided we're no longer in

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just the 80s and 70s. We're doing everything

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that we've ever loved that's giant nerddom. Or...

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Because we're in the late 80s, I'm starting to

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pick up stuff because this late 80s fandom was

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still very much around by the time that we were

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like three, four, five years old. But there's

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some really big references to other franchises.

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So, A Wrinkle in Time, we will cover much later.

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Superman references, right? Red shorts for L

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and constant references to Kryptonite. And then

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I was like, does that mean everyone could be

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sorted into the Justice League? And I was like,

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okay, Will is the Martian Manhunter. And Dustin

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is Batman. And Steve is Robin. And Robin is Oracle.

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And Nancy is Wonder Woman because she gets to

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the truth. And Lucas is Green Arrow because of

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shooty things. And Mike. And then I couldn't

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place Mike anywhere. And I was like, this is

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stupid. I should stop doing this. You got pretty

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far. I did. I did get pretty far. And then we

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ran into Mike and I was like, okay. Harry Potter

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is a giant, giantly referenced in all of this

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season. So there's the Mrs. Weasley, not my daughter,

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you bitch moment. And then, interestingly enough,

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I did some questioning on Reddit. And a Redditor

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pointed out to me that both of these moments

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of get away from my daughter and not my daughter,

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you bitch, are probably references to Alien,

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where the line is get away from her, you bitch.

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Right. Holly and Mr. What's -It is fairy -coded

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in Ginny and her old friend Tom Riddle, a .k

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.a. Voldemort. My good friend Tom. My old friend

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Tom. That's from Binge Mode, which is a podcast

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that Sierra and I love. Just to cite it. Will

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and Vecna's relationship, very coded in the Harry

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-Voldemort relationship. Speaking of that, Harry

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being the snake is very much Will being the Demogorgon.

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Goosebumps on the back of the neck is very much

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the scar. I reached out on Reddit where a bunch

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of different Redditors said back to me that Steve

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sort of driving the car into the column with

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a closing portal is very like nine and three

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quarters coded. The buyers and the wheelers waking

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up and having breakfast is very much like feel

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like Harry in the borough. But then this one

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I think really sticks. It's it's Hopper. He says

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always just that line. Two L. And that was like,

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oh my gosh, it's Snape. This is Severus Snape.

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What is happening? So that's the Harry Potter

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stuff. Of course, there's the great Scott and

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Flux capacitor stuff from Robin to Joyce. D &D

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obviously referenced quite a bit. Dustin's speech

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before he uses turpentine to attack the basketball

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boroughs is like actual D &D stuff that literally

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happens in the game. And there's just a fun note

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here. Lucas. goes and says, this is very Mission

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Impossible. And I'm sure a bunch of people were

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like, that's wrong. Mission Impossible doesn't

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come out until 1996, not 86. But there was a

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1966 show that ran for seven seasons called Mission

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Colon Impossible. So everybody just chill out.

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Lucas has just watched some good TV. Moving on

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to episode three, you and I had the same thing,

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which is? Yes. Max? She's back. Yes. So good.

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So, Nax is back. Kind of. But she's back. And

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I kind of love it more than if she woke up. Yeah.

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Because this is fascinating. Fascinating. We

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get to see inside of Vecna's mind. In a way that

00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.539
we haven't seen before. In his memories. Which

00:15:36.539 --> 00:15:38.279
he's always digging around in other people's

00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:40.919
memories. So it's about time that someone started

00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.559
digging around in his memories. Yeah. Just saying.

00:15:44.019 --> 00:15:47.700
And Max has found a whole bunch of stuff. There

00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:51.200
was so much information dropped when she's doing

00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.120
her little rundown for Holly. And it's amazing.

00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:56.460
It's so good. And it's really great. It's so

00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:58.710
good. It's so exciting. It's really good. It's

00:15:58.710 --> 00:16:00.970
really, really good. And she's even more of like

00:16:00.970 --> 00:16:04.490
Mad Max than she was before. Yeah. Which is fantastic.

00:16:04.549 --> 00:16:06.190
Part of me is like, where did you get these different

00:16:06.190 --> 00:16:08.090
clothes? But I don't really care. I'm just glad

00:16:08.090 --> 00:16:12.490
that Max is back, has returned, is in like this

00:16:12.490 --> 00:16:18.169
very guiding sort of mentor scenario where she's

00:16:18.169 --> 00:16:20.049
thinking things through. And it was really cool

00:16:20.049 --> 00:16:21.610
to have that connection point with Holly. I will

00:16:21.610 --> 00:16:24.789
say, I feel very proud of myself. I clocked it

00:16:24.789 --> 00:16:27.450
instantly. As soon as we were in that world,

00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:30.230
I bet. I said to my wife, Holly's going to meet

00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:33.970
Max in here. And then when we saw that torn patched

00:16:33.970 --> 00:16:36.250
jean, I went, that's Max. Yeah. Yeah. It was

00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:38.610
great. That's when I got it. But I did not clock

00:16:38.610 --> 00:16:41.230
it beforehand. I'm very proud of myself. I didn't

00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:42.110
think they were going to end up being in the

00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:44.889
same place. I figured that they were dealing

00:16:44.889 --> 00:16:48.470
with the same thing. Yeah. But I didn't know

00:16:48.470 --> 00:16:51.090
it was going to be one location where they could

00:16:51.090 --> 00:16:53.389
reach each other. I thought it was going to be

00:16:53.389 --> 00:16:58.029
more of like a gin situation where they're. Each

00:16:58.029 --> 00:17:02.409
in their own individual happy places and memories

00:17:02.409 --> 00:17:05.650
and things. But I did not think that they were

00:17:05.650 --> 00:17:08.490
going to merge together. So it's very exciting.

00:17:08.809 --> 00:17:10.849
Very exciting. Very glad she's here. And I do

00:17:10.849 --> 00:17:14.170
think, I was actually just thinking, the way

00:17:14.170 --> 00:17:16.950
that Max sits down and kind of explains things

00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:21.710
to Holly really brought me back to the end of

00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:26.170
season four when they're prepping for the plan.

00:17:26.730 --> 00:17:32.269
Yeah. And she's sitting with Nancy. And Nancy

00:17:32.269 --> 00:17:34.630
is kind of explaining things and is the older

00:17:34.630 --> 00:17:38.269
sister version. Yeah, very much so. And kind

00:17:38.269 --> 00:17:40.589
of just discussing with her. And we don't really

00:17:40.589 --> 00:17:43.569
get Nancy and Max before this. And so now it's

00:17:43.569 --> 00:17:46.490
this kind of really nice moment. And now we're

00:17:46.490 --> 00:17:49.910
getting this. Max is almost taking on the Nancy

00:17:49.910 --> 00:17:52.930
role for Holly. And I really liked that parallel.

00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:57.769
Very much so. Episode four. All right. The whole

00:17:57.769 --> 00:18:01.849
bad side of the military, as we've been dubbing

00:18:01.849 --> 00:18:05.789
them here, they are suffering from the same thing

00:18:05.789 --> 00:18:09.089
that Jason suffered from last season, which is

00:18:09.089 --> 00:18:11.609
way too much confidence and not enough intelligence.

00:18:12.029 --> 00:18:14.049
What do we call it? The Don and Kruger effect,

00:18:14.089 --> 00:18:21.609
right? Yes. Yeah. And it bothers me so much every

00:18:21.609 --> 00:18:25.420
time they're going. Well, L is clearly doing

00:18:25.420 --> 00:18:30.859
this. What? What? What indeed? There couldn't

00:18:30.859 --> 00:18:35.579
possibly be any other explanation. No. No, no.

00:18:35.660 --> 00:18:40.299
Oh, no. There's only one person with powers out

00:18:40.299 --> 00:18:43.359
there. Clearly. We don't have another one stashed

00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:47.319
away over here. Do not look behind the curtain.

00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:52.069
It's stupid. It's really stupid. And part of

00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:54.690
me is wondering if Dr. K is actually going to

00:18:54.690 --> 00:18:58.230
be on L's side. The monologue that she has with

00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:01.730
L while L is incapacitated made me go, there's

00:19:01.730 --> 00:19:05.490
just enough room here for Dr. K to be like, all

00:19:05.490 --> 00:19:09.589
right, so how do we defeat Henry? We'll see.

00:19:10.549 --> 00:19:14.089
Clearly everybody else is not on her side, but

00:19:14.089 --> 00:19:16.450
I'm still kind of holding onto this idea that.

00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:19.859
Dr. K might actually be a little bit more Sam

00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:25.200
Owen's Bob Newby help on the outside. I am not

00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.099
convinced. Fair. I think she's just another Brenner,

00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.839
and she is just going to use who she wants for

00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:33.920
whatever she wants to use them for. She's going

00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.059
to be using us nefariously. Oh, yeah. So I do

00:19:38.059 --> 00:19:40.000
not put it past her to do the same thing again.

00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:45.839
Yeah. And she's even using the... tentacles or

00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.240
the vines or whatever for her own yeah and she

00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.980
was referring to it as an like a singular entity

00:19:52.980 --> 00:19:55.740
right like it as a creature detects you as a

00:19:55.740 --> 00:19:58.680
threat and it is this creature and things like

00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.779
that which i found very interesting totally speaking

00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:07.279
of eight honorable mention to there uh yeah eight

00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.299
being behind the kryptonite cell i will say as

00:20:10.299 --> 00:20:13.670
soon as I was like, I can't go back there. There's

00:20:13.670 --> 00:20:15.670
kryptonite. My wife went eight behind there and

00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:18.369
I went, dang it. That's oh, you're so right.

00:20:19.089 --> 00:20:21.730
Yeah, but she clocked it just before I did. So

00:20:21.730 --> 00:20:26.650
I'll bow down to my wife there. I clocked it.

00:20:27.009 --> 00:20:29.970
Yeah, I also clocked it right when at that moment,

00:20:29.990 --> 00:20:34.450
too. And then I immediately texted and was like.

00:20:34.730 --> 00:20:36.910
We find out who it is in this episode, right?

00:20:37.349 --> 00:20:39.210
You did. Because you finished it just before

00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.690
I did. You're like, yes, yes, you do. I'm like,

00:20:41.730 --> 00:20:44.190
okay, good. Yeah, Aurelia watched it before either

00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:46.569
of us. And then you and I finally got there.

00:20:46.690 --> 00:20:51.809
Oh, my gosh! I will say my biggest moment in

00:20:51.809 --> 00:20:55.829
this episode is Demogorgons lifting up into the

00:20:55.829 --> 00:20:58.130
air. As soon as they lifted up into the air,

00:20:58.289 --> 00:21:01.940
I went out. I said out loud. oh my gosh, he literally

00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:04.720
is Vecna. He's going to Vecna these Demogorgons.

00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:07.859
And my wife's like, oh, oh, you're, and then

00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:10.240
he did it. And it was just like, oh, okay. So

00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.859
he clearly is, he literally is the eye of Vecna,

00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.920
which takes on Vecna's abilities. You know, they

00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.339
did that whole thing where Will is first seeing

00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:20.900
the Demogorgon through the eyes of the Demogorgon

00:21:20.900 --> 00:21:22.819
and they go literally through his eye and it's

00:21:22.819 --> 00:21:25.799
like, okay, he's the eye of Vecna. We know this

00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.859
is coming now. It's essentially all but been

00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:32.170
confirmed. And he has the same powers. I will

00:21:32.170 --> 00:21:34.529
note here, much less gross when it's the demos

00:21:34.529 --> 00:21:37.769
who get arm, arm, leg, leg, eyes, and the dead.

00:21:38.690 --> 00:21:41.970
Because they don't have eyes, I did kind of want

00:21:41.970 --> 00:21:44.130
their little flower thing to implode inside their

00:21:44.130 --> 00:21:49.089
face. Something to happen, yeah. And I also just,

00:21:49.250 --> 00:21:53.309
I mean, the entire Will sequence leading up to

00:21:53.309 --> 00:21:57.400
that as well, not just... Love is more powerful,

00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.420
which we've been kind of getting hints of with

00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:03.920
Elle. Yeah. But love of yourself and acceptance

00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:08.599
of yourself, which is wonderful. And, you know,

00:22:08.619 --> 00:22:11.299
Will's been chasing the love of others and Mike

00:22:11.299 --> 00:22:16.640
and his friends and other people. And finally,

00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:21.970
he's kind of forced to own up to who he is. and

00:22:21.970 --> 00:22:25.670
accept himself for who he is, no matter how difficult.

00:22:25.910 --> 00:22:29.890
And that is twofold, but it also gives him power

00:22:29.890 --> 00:22:35.309
over himself and access to the powers within,

00:22:35.529 --> 00:22:40.750
powers without, the powers that he can access.

00:22:41.390 --> 00:22:46.670
Whether he will still have them after Vecna is

00:22:46.670 --> 00:22:48.150
dead? Right, is this a Parseltongue situation?

00:22:48.150 --> 00:22:50.359
Question mark? Is this a Parseltongue situation

00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.039
where Harry can speak to snakes when the Horcrux

00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.880
is in him, and Harry cannot speak to snake as

00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:00.940
soon as the Horcrux is destroyed? We shall see.

00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:06.359
Then we shall see. Then we shall know. That's

00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.960
a great, just now go on to the next category.

00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.259
Yeah. That's a great one. Here's the things that

00:23:12.259 --> 00:23:14.720
we were wrong about, guys. We don't claim to

00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.460
know everything. We were wrong. We were. About

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.880
a few things. A few things. We were right about

00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.119
a lot more, but we were wrong about a few things.

00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:24.700
We'll tell you what those are. The first being

00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:28.859
death in general. So far, guys, there's been

00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:32.200
a lot of unnamed death. A couple of military

00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:36.259
people. A lot of military people. A lot of military

00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:40.579
people. One of them who got Dwayne Wade to LeBron

00:23:40.579 --> 00:23:49.480
James alley -ooped into the ground. Yes. So,

00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.359
death in general, though, we haven't had any

00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:57.099
major deaths. No. None. At all. Ted Wheeler is

00:23:57.099 --> 00:23:59.220
the closest, who I will say, I laughed really

00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:03.380
hard when they were like, okay, in the first

00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:06.599
shadow, Karen and Ted go to high school together.

00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:10.279
In the play. But earlier, Mike has this whole

00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.400
speech about my mom married an older guy with

00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.420
money and now she's just miserable. And so they

00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:17.559
kind of retcon his age. So instead of just saying

00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.339
that he's 46 years old, they were like, Karen

00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:29.220
Wheeler, 46. Ted Wheeler, late 40s. So funny.

00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:34.460
We'll just dip around that one. Just casually

00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:40.410
sidestep that. Yeah. There's been no major deaths.

00:24:40.529 --> 00:24:44.890
I was very wrong about when there's this still

00:24:44.890 --> 00:24:48.009
image that we were looking at of now we know

00:24:48.009 --> 00:24:50.410
in the Mac zone, there was this giant fight at

00:24:50.410 --> 00:24:52.730
the very end of the last episode. And we thought

00:24:52.730 --> 00:24:56.069
this girl was Susie just looking real different.

00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:58.569
It turned out she was like a middle schooler

00:24:58.569 --> 00:25:01.869
or an elementary schooler. Cause Holly's like

00:25:01.869 --> 00:25:05.309
at best seven years old. If you're looking at

00:25:05.309 --> 00:25:09.329
season one. But apparently a bunch of reporting

00:25:09.329 --> 00:25:11.109
has said that she's 10 years old. So either way,

00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:13.490
they're probably still in elementary school.

00:25:14.089 --> 00:25:16.450
Yeah. None of them look it. Because they aged

00:25:16.450 --> 00:25:18.769
up the actresses a lot. Like the actress who

00:25:18.769 --> 00:25:21.609
plays Holly is, what is her name? 14, I think.

00:25:21.730 --> 00:25:24.890
Nell Fisher. She's 13 when she started filming.

00:25:24.930 --> 00:25:31.089
14 now, I think. So, okay. But we thought that

00:25:31.089 --> 00:25:33.309
was Susie and it's just one of these little kids

00:25:33.309 --> 00:25:35.880
in her class. That's fine. It actually makes

00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:37.839
sense that Susie's not there. And the quarantine.

00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.180
I love it. Why are all these characters here?

00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:44.539
Fantastic. There has been a quarantine set down.

00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:46.579
However, that does mean that we were wrong about

00:25:46.579 --> 00:25:49.140
Enzo and Yuri being there. So my whole big prediction

00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:51.839
about Murray and Yuri will die together at the

00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:58.259
end of this fourth episode. Very wrong. Although

00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:00.519
we almost did get some big deaths again. We'll

00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.980
cover those in a second. Also. I will say, for

00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:06.980
those of you who are parsing, Vecna, I did say

00:26:06.980 --> 00:26:12.079
Vecna specifically took Will. He did not. It

00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.519
was a Demogorgon. Though he was present that

00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.640
night, so I still count it as a win. But, and

00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.200
this is stealing a bit from the biggest question

00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.920
section, Sierra. How do Demogorgons open their

00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.200
own portals? This is so frustrating from a show

00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.039
standpoint. It's very frustrating. I like, this

00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.269
is, it's just, it's like. It's clocked in the

00:26:31.269 --> 00:26:33.630
back of my head, jammed in there, and every time

00:26:33.630 --> 00:26:36.150
they do it, I'm like, but how? Vecna says he

00:26:36.150 --> 00:26:38.849
didn't have the power to do it himself. He had

00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:41.950
to go find El. So it's not like the Mind Flayer

00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:44.170
could do it, or it already would have. And the

00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:47.450
Demogorgons can do it, but only... I guess the

00:26:47.450 --> 00:26:49.750
gate has to be open, and then they can do it,

00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:52.509
but Vecna still can't. So I just don't understand.

00:26:54.650 --> 00:26:58.509
Yeah. More explanation needed, for sure. Please.

00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.279
Something else that we were wrong about, Max

00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.640
opening her eyes in dramatic fashion at the end

00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:10.819
of episode four. Aurelia! You were wrong! You

00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:14.700
were wrong, sorry. But also, potentially TBD.

00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.240
She could still open her eyes in dramatic fashion

00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.480
at the end of a different episode. We just haven't

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.480
gotten there yet. Yeah. But this is way better

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.359
than her being unconscious the whole time and

00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.900
us just waiting for her to come back. Yeah, this

00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:30.700
is sweet. I will accept it. I will also accept

00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:34.839
it. Things we were right about. Well, Aurelia,

00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.960
I just called you out for being wrong. So dear

00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.400
executive producer, take this as an olive branch.

00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:45.779
Aurelia, super right about both Will and Robin

00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:47.579
getting together, but also being right that they

00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.240
deserve to be together. So Aurelia, I think something

00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:52.420
along the lines said, I want a queer moment here.

00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:58.900
So they are correct in all manner. Like, that

00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:02.160
chemistry, brilliant, good, and also essential

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.079
to the main plot, which we will discuss in our

00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.839
MVP discussion. I will note here, Vecna did take

00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.920
Will for a specific reason. So, yes, still claiming

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.019
it. Still claiming that Will is the eye of Vecna

00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:16.519
and has powers. Super duper the main thing that

00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.500
I was up on. There are so many receipts for that

00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:22.000
that I'm not going to bother going through. Essentially,

00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:25.799
we knew that these powers were coming. So, listeners,

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.539
if you thought I was wrong... I will take carnival

00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:33.720
rides instead of flowers. Please send them to

00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:39.680
my address in Antarctica. please send circus

00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.640
tickets in lieu of chocolate. But speaking of

00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:45.700
my biggest thing that I was clocking the whole

00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:47.740
time, Sierra, your biggest thing that you were

00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:50.940
clocking the whole time. There is something up

00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:56.359
with Holly. I was right. I was right. This is

00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.079
the most, like in all of our life, this is the

00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:00.819
biggest you've been right moment you've ever

00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:06.230
had. I honestly, it's, it's definitely. I can't

00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:09.170
think of anything else right now. It's pretty

00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:12.390
amazing. Because I remember walking and being

00:29:12.390 --> 00:29:14.450
like, what's up with Holly? And then you like

00:29:14.450 --> 00:29:16.529
literally said it on the podcast. And I was like,

00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:18.710
oh, that's a good note. And then we kept watching

00:29:18.710 --> 00:29:20.410
it. And I was like, huh. And even Aurelia in

00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:22.490
our last one was like, this is something I didn't

00:29:22.490 --> 00:29:24.369
notice until you guys said it. And I'm like,

00:29:24.470 --> 00:29:27.009
all credence to Sierra here. It's great. And

00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:30.849
I do have righteous receipts. Yes, yes, I do.

00:29:31.950 --> 00:29:35.930
Season one. When in the Byer house, Holly goes

00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:39.569
wandering. She wanders into Will's room, and

00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:41.809
she sees the Demogorgon trying to come through

00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:47.509
the wall. Bonus, the episode title, Holly Jolly.

00:29:47.609 --> 00:29:52.750
Not two separate words, with a comma. Holly is

00:29:52.750 --> 00:29:58.259
Jolly. Holly, comma, Jolly. Boom. She makes minor

00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:00.539
appearances in season two, but only really in

00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:03.359
kind of family scenes. So we'll skip those. Season

00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:09.279
three went on the Ferris wheel at the fair. Speaking

00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.640
of the fair, Holly sees the grossness itself

00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.839
trampling through the woods on its way to Hopper's

00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.180
cabin. That's the Mind Flayer meat form. For

00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.619
those of you who do not know, she sees it. She

00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:23.480
sees it. She's the only one who sees it. She

00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.079
points it out to her parents, who once again

00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.559
are willfully ignorant about the giant thing

00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.819
wandering through the forest. It's like their

00:30:31.819 --> 00:30:34.859
eyes and her finger are like the opposite of

00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:37.099
magnets, where she points and their eyes have

00:30:37.099 --> 00:30:44.099
to go somewhere else. Season four. Holly lets

00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:47.660
Max use her crayons to see what she saw in Vecna's

00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:52.549
mind palace thing. And... Dustin explains Freddy

00:30:52.549 --> 00:30:57.450
Krueger to her. Horrifying. But also, she kind

00:30:57.450 --> 00:31:00.329
of knows what this whole Vecna situation is already.

00:31:00.450 --> 00:31:02.549
She's sitting there at the table listening to

00:31:02.549 --> 00:31:06.470
this. Then, Holly's light bright is used to communicate

00:31:06.470 --> 00:31:10.869
with the Doobies in the Upside Down. And, at

00:31:10.869 --> 00:31:13.690
the end, Holly is the one to tell her mother

00:31:13.690 --> 00:31:17.970
that it's snowing. Okay, so, crazy cool thing

00:31:17.970 --> 00:31:22.390
about... The fans out there, no one clocked Holly,

00:31:22.569 --> 00:31:25.509
really, in a way that went viral, in a way that

00:31:25.509 --> 00:31:28.289
got talked about a lot in this scene. Because

00:31:28.289 --> 00:31:31.730
everybody noticed when they do this montage of

00:31:31.730 --> 00:31:34.210
going between everybody that kind of knows about

00:31:34.210 --> 00:31:38.230
the upside down, they show Dustin, they show

00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:42.710
Steve and Robin, they show Elle separated out

00:31:42.710 --> 00:31:45.269
from the couples in the back, you know, Mike

00:31:45.269 --> 00:31:49.180
and Will, Joyce and Hopper. Whoever the other

00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:52.339
two people are. Jonathan and Nancy. And then

00:31:52.339 --> 00:31:55.700
they show the snow at the Wheeler house and Holly

00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:59.299
looking out the window and saying, mom, it's

00:31:59.299 --> 00:32:01.279
snowing. And Karen comes to Lynn. Now everyone

00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.660
went, oh, maybe Karen does know about the upside

00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:08.460
down. What if Karen is Vecna's little sister?

00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.279
Huge fan theory. And I never really got any,

00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.950
any enjoyment out of it, but. It was worth a

00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:17.730
ponder for a second, except for the fact that

00:32:17.730 --> 00:32:19.430
Karen is in the play as a separate character

00:32:19.430 --> 00:32:23.650
than Vecna's little sister. And Vecna's little

00:32:23.650 --> 00:32:26.930
sister confirmed dead. Confirmed dead. Also,

00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:29.829
but Holly is in that shot. So it turns out it

00:32:29.829 --> 00:32:32.970
wasn't Karen at all. It was Holly all along.

00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:39.269
It was Holly all along. And Sierra was right

00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:43.210
all along. I'll be smiling about this for days.

00:32:44.669 --> 00:32:47.529
We were also right about 8 returning, which is

00:32:47.529 --> 00:32:49.730
great. We haven't seen anything to do with 8.

00:32:49.769 --> 00:32:52.490
We just saw 8 and them meet. That's cool. Little

00:32:52.490 --> 00:32:54.390
flashback to the Chicago episode in case people

00:32:54.390 --> 00:32:57.089
forgot who this was because they shaved 8's head.

00:32:57.569 --> 00:33:02.990
So. Yeah. No longer big fluffy hair. Yeah. And

00:33:02.990 --> 00:33:05.130
took all of her makeup off too. Yeah, that's

00:33:05.130 --> 00:33:08.009
true. And changed her clothes. A lot of things.

00:33:08.069 --> 00:33:10.130
A lot of things are different about 8. She's

00:33:10.130 --> 00:33:12.650
much older. It's been like 8 years. It's fine.

00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.539
We also got that the play is important. Yes.

00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.160
And that the contents should be in the season.

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.700
And we get them. We get them. We get so many

00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:27.539
mentions of the contents of this, specifically

00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:32.039
in regards to Henry's time at school. We see

00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.339
young Joyce. She's talking about her play. We

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:40.519
see that he is in said play. Yep. And that play

00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.579
is set on November 6th, 1959. Again, these dates

00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.720
are all important and we're going to talk about

00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.759
them. I will say it was really fun to see that

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.299
little moment of going back to... It's very similar

00:33:53.299 --> 00:33:55.259
to the way that they set the play. Also, there's

00:33:55.259 --> 00:33:57.359
just been a couple of play references, like Squawk,

00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:02.960
the radio station, is run by Bob Newby back in

00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.940
1959. There's just a bunch of cool things that

00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:08.139
they did with this play. And of course, The Cave,

00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:13.559
which... We will get to the cave. Yes. The military

00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.760
being wiped out. Super right. Sam, I think you

00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:17.920
called that one specifically. I did. That was

00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.800
me. Military's getting decimated at the end of

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.960
episode four. Yep. And guess what? Guess what

00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.539
happened? They sure did. Military decimated.

00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:32.539
Also, Sierra, you got this one right. Mike and

00:34:32.539 --> 00:34:35.469
Nancy spending some time together. Yes. I'm so

00:34:35.469 --> 00:34:36.869
happy. And not only were you right about it,

00:34:36.889 --> 00:34:38.530
you said it kind of needs to happen because it

00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:40.929
hasn't happened since season two. And it turns

00:34:40.929 --> 00:34:44.190
out, really needed. Not as much as Will and Robin,

00:34:44.250 --> 00:34:47.750
I will say. But like, dear Lord, having them

00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:50.130
come into the season as siblings, having something

00:34:50.130 --> 00:34:53.130
to fight for with their parents, being out, them

00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:55.269
having to work together to go get information

00:34:55.269 --> 00:34:57.429
out of the mom and sneak around the hospital.

00:34:57.670 --> 00:35:01.650
All of that just is gorgeous. It's so good. I

00:35:01.650 --> 00:35:04.219
really enjoy it. I think it also makes so much

00:35:04.219 --> 00:35:08.420
sense because from early on, I think I even mentioned

00:35:08.420 --> 00:35:11.960
Mike and Nancy are both very, very intelligent

00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.059
and practical thinkers and have plans and plots

00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:18.099
and all these things coming from their parents

00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:22.400
who have shown no signs of any of this. And why

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.199
are they not together forming these plans? They're

00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.260
always separate. They're always doing their own

00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:29.380
thing. And now they're together. And we see the

00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:33.539
impact of that is pretty... Because they're both

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.179
very intelligent. This whole Holly situation

00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:38.300
with, obviously it's going to bring them together.

00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:40.679
And then of course their parents being violently

00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.320
attacked, fighting for their lives, etc. Also

00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.000
going to bring them together. But it feels very

00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.420
much like how the Weasley family in Harry Potter

00:35:49.420 --> 00:35:51.820
is this real family that we get touch points

00:35:51.820 --> 00:35:54.639
with. But they don't, other than Ginny in the

00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:56.519
chamber. But we don't see the whole family go

00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:01.599
through that. With needing to... be scared for

00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.500
Ginny. We only get to see the aftermath when

00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:07.639
Harry has rescued her. So we only see Ron's reaction

00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.519
to losing Ginny. But it's not a family dynamic

00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.719
in terms of parents, older siblings, everybody

00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.559
in the loop. We only see the Hogwarts reaction

00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.639
when Ginny is taken. But when the snake in Christmastime

00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.000
at Order of the Phoenix attacks Arthur, again,

00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:28.360
which is very reflected in Will seeing The Demogorgon

00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.360
coming for the Wheelers is when we get a big

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.840
sense of family dynamic. We're at the Grimald

00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.019
place with Sirius, with him having to calm down

00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:41.619
the family. The response of everyone going, seeing

00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:43.920
Arthur and everything. And that's kind of what

00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:48.800
this feels like. Is, A, look, here's Ginny. She's

00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.320
important, a .k .a. Holly. And, look, your parents

00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.099
are dying. How are you guys reacting as a family?

00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:57.320
It really deepens this connection into the Wheeler

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.039
household, which has been, like, Karen's been

00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.860
a main character, but off to the side. Right.

00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.380
Has had major scenes, but never really part of

00:37:06.380 --> 00:37:09.920
the main storyline. Now it's all together, and

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.889
it really... helps to solidify the wheelers as

00:37:13.889 --> 00:37:16.809
figures in this story with a deeper meaning than

00:37:16.809 --> 00:37:18.550
just like, we're the people that help 11 and

00:37:18.550 --> 00:37:21.429
figure stuff out. It's there's personal, much

00:37:21.429 --> 00:37:23.510
more personal stakes for them now, which I think

00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:25.269
is one of the reasons why Mike is suddenly cool

00:37:25.269 --> 00:37:30.769
and why Nancy has that blood scene of her washing

00:37:30.769 --> 00:37:33.429
off the blood. It's just super like the emotional

00:37:33.429 --> 00:37:35.530
resonance that comes from that sets the tone

00:37:35.530 --> 00:37:39.289
of the show. I think. Yeah, I agree. And I also

00:37:39.289 --> 00:37:43.300
think that, The connection between Nancy and

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:47.139
Mike shows even before this shared trauma that

00:37:47.139 --> 00:37:50.360
they're experiencing now, because when they get

00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.840
the news that there's going to be a crawl, they

00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.980
are each in charge essentially of disseminating

00:37:57.980 --> 00:38:01.119
the information to the rest of the group that

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.159
they're with and explaining the plan and going

00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.139
over the details and all of those things. And

00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.239
so they've really stepped up into these leadership

00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.500
roles. I still won't say that Mike is the heart,

00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:16.000
but he's definitely the mind at this point. Yeah,

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.579
totally. Of the group. So I think it's very exciting

00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:24.119
to see also them have a lot more in common. Yeah.

00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:26.460
Well, and it's interesting, too, because Mike

00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:28.780
has also set up sort of the ending of this show,

00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:30.860
which is why we let off the podcast with a quote

00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:33.800
from Frodo. Because Mike, when he's talking to

00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.159
Eleven, she's like, what happens after we do

00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.059
all of this? And he says, I think we go somewhere

00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:40.420
else. I think. You know, we saved this area,

00:38:40.539 --> 00:38:43.840
but it's essentially it's time to move on. And

00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.719
you and I are going to be together to do that,

00:38:45.860 --> 00:38:48.420
which is very much like I'm let's sail to the

00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:52.820
Undying Lands together. Super photo coded. But

00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:56.019
Mike might not have a partner to do that with.

00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.860
I have no idea if Elle's going to survive or

00:38:57.860 --> 00:39:01.860
not. So we'll see. I almost I may have to amend

00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:06.719
my Mike stays alive prediction. He and Elle and.

00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:11.539
will may all go out as a trio maybe maybe you

00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:15.539
might be right because if i just think that if

00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.360
will and l aren't around anymore mike's the glue

00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.519
that's held them together and i think that he

00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:27.019
will also go yeah possibly well last thing that

00:39:27.019 --> 00:39:29.039
we were right about or i was right about at least

00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:33.539
i did say i think max might be stuck inside vecta's

00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:36.789
mind because he absorbs people Boy, was that

00:39:36.789 --> 00:39:42.050
right. Yeah. I felt good about that one. So stealing

00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:45.889
from our viewing views when we do movies, here's

00:39:45.889 --> 00:39:48.349
our category for questions. Questions that need

00:39:48.349 --> 00:39:52.269
answering. Thanks, Gandalf. Gandalf, what are

00:39:52.269 --> 00:39:54.489
the biggest questions that we have? And I'm not

00:39:54.489 --> 00:39:56.570
going to attempt to do a Gandalf voice. Okay.

00:39:56.789 --> 00:40:00.250
So this question is mainly in case anybody has

00:40:00.250 --> 00:40:02.170
the audience, which is like, what's the timeline

00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:07.119
between seasons four and five? It's been 600

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:13.960
days since season four, or 587 days to be precise.

00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:20.159
We know that Eddie dies March 27th of 1986. That's

00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.420
the day that Vecna gets bombade. That's the day

00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:26.019
Max is killed, opening up the gate. And we know,

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:31.079
for Lucas tells us it, it's November 3rd, 1987.

00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.679
Yeah, I was expecting weeks, maybe months to

00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.639
have gone by between seasons four and five. So

00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.380
this length of time is absolutely crazy. Yeah.

00:40:43.420 --> 00:40:46.800
Well, and it was reported that Netflix or the

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.679
Duffer Brothers or somebody said, we're going

00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.480
to be picking up right where we left off, which

00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.239
is... Which is why people were like, Argyle's

00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.519
not here? What's happening? Now, there was an

00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.780
article, I forget which one it was in, whether

00:40:58.780 --> 00:41:01.869
it was Variety or... the times or something,

00:41:01.929 --> 00:41:05.170
but somebody reported that because of COVID delays,

00:41:05.650 --> 00:41:08.010
the Duffer brothers got to write much of season

00:41:08.010 --> 00:41:11.130
five before season four was shot at all. And

00:41:11.130 --> 00:41:12.690
it was actually really annoying to the stage

00:41:12.690 --> 00:41:14.869
director for the play because they kept going

00:41:14.869 --> 00:41:17.070
back and changing stuff while this guy was trying

00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:19.670
to do rehearsals and get the play off the road.

00:41:19.730 --> 00:41:22.789
But that's neat to hear that there. So it is

00:41:22.789 --> 00:41:25.219
interesting that. Even right after season four,

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:26.400
they were like, yep, we'll be picking up right

00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.420
off. And then they still had to do this change

00:41:28.420 --> 00:41:32.380
where it's 587 days later. So what's been going

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:35.719
on? Well, first of all, on November 3rd, that

00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.900
means, as Lucas tells us, we are three days away.

00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.699
From November 6th, which is the four -year anniversary

00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:44.960
of Will being taken, and also the 28th anniversary

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.719
of the night Henry Creel, aka Vecna, starred

00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.159
in Joyce's play and finally gave fully into the

00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.679
Mind Flayer's influence back in 1959. And I bet

00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:00.079
anything that November 6th of 1958 is when Vecna

00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:03.550
first meets the Mind Flayer. More on that later.

00:42:03.769 --> 00:42:06.530
So nearly 600 days since all of that has occurred,

00:42:06.590 --> 00:42:07.929
and Rockin' Robin has been running the radio

00:42:07.929 --> 00:42:10.530
show Squawk for 500 days, which I gotta say,

00:42:10.630 --> 00:42:13.530
well done getting it up and running in 87 days.

00:42:14.309 --> 00:42:16.969
Previous disc jockey, Fled Hawkins, when the

00:42:16.969 --> 00:42:20.989
portal opened, also note, I think season five,

00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:23.030
episode five of Stranger Things, the first one

00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:25.570
of volume two, is called The Disc Jockey. Very

00:42:25.570 --> 00:42:29.510
scared for Robin. Joyce and the Byers have been

00:42:29.510 --> 00:42:31.739
living with the Wheelers the whole time. Hopper

00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:33.840
has been living in the tunnel slash his cabin.

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.179
I gotta say right here, Sierra, is his cabin

00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:41.079
unplottable? What? How has the military not found

00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:45.059
his cabin? He must just have it and it's like

00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:48.619
not in his name or anything like that. Yeah.

00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.460
I mean, we knew it was kind of secret, but then

00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:53.880
Sam Owens people all could drive straight up

00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.239
to it. So you'd think that the other half of

00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:57.739
the military would have found out by this point,

00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:01.019
but whatever. Maybe every time they go, it's

00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:06.219
empty. They've done 36 crawls into the Upside

00:43:06.219 --> 00:43:09.960
Down. Robin graduated high school. Mike and company

00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.960
are juniors. Elle's been trading at a junkyard.

00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.539
And otherwise, they've been told to keep a low

00:43:16.539 --> 00:43:19.880
profile. Looking at you, Dustin. So here's my

00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:21.980
big question for you, Sierra. Is what Dustin's

00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:25.159
doing in Eddie's name selfish, as Mike and company

00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.599
sort of make it seem? I don't necessarily think

00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:32.940
that it's selfish. I think it could be a little

00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:37.579
extreme. Because he's not just trying to keep

00:43:37.579 --> 00:43:41.480
Hellfire going. Not just saying, you guys are

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.880
wrong about Eddie. He was really a good person.

00:43:45.139 --> 00:43:48.420
Things like that. He's very much just turning

00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:51.139
into Eddie and pushing it in everybody's face.

00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:56.699
Which I think is a little bit more... inflammatory

00:43:56.699 --> 00:44:00.659
than he needs to be. I get that he's in a lot

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:04.239
of pain and he's really going through it, but

00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:09.420
I think that the better use of Eddie's memory

00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:13.199
is to do what Eddie asked of him, which is to

00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.960
find the flock and to guide them and all of those

00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.719
things instead of whatever he's doing, which

00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:28.000
is antagonizing the jocks. And being up front

00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.159
and not with anybody. And where is all the rest

00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.900
of the Hellfire people? And it just doesn't seem

00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:39.760
like he's... It's not in his self -interest.

00:44:40.099 --> 00:44:42.340
It's also not in anybody else's self -interest.

00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:48.199
It just feels very self -sabotaging. Yeah. He

00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:50.980
knows he's going to get bullied. He knows he's

00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:52.820
going to get attacked for wearing the shirt.

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.500
For doing the things that he's doing. For saying

00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:57.559
the things that he says. For looking the way

00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:59.400
that he's looking. He's grown his hair out. He's

00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.760
wearing Eddie's rings or similar ones. He's dressing

00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.440
like Eddie. He's got the whole persona going.

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.559
And it's definitely a cry for help. And it's

00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.840
definitely a form of almost self -harm, really.

00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.780
There's a bit of that, certainly. I'm a little

00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:23.579
bit on... Dustin's side when he says like we've

00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:26.559
never – they tell him, hey, just ignore them.

00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.820
Stop antagonizing them. Move on because we got

00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:32.079
to make sure we stay ready for the fight because

00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.199
that's the bigger picture. They're not wrong

00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:35.940
about that. But I'm also a little bit on Team

00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:38.699
Dustin where I'm like we've never been like that.

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.579
We've always been the people to stand up. And

00:45:40.579 --> 00:45:43.619
I'm like, yeah, dude, sing your song, man. So

00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:47.300
I feel a lot of sympathy. Although the bigger

00:45:47.300 --> 00:45:50.460
fight is Vecna. The bullies can take care of

00:45:50.460 --> 00:45:53.059
them later. It's not a big deal enough to do

00:45:53.059 --> 00:45:56.159
it now. But also, Dustin clearly has a wonderful

00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.860
relationship with Eddie. That's very clear in

00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:01.639
the book about Eddie. And he's the one that has

00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.519
been most hurt. And I feel like the other people

00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.719
are doing a bad job trying to help him rather

00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.760
than just being like, he's lost his mind. Like,

00:46:08.780 --> 00:46:10.320
his friends are not really supporting him in

00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.280
that. And he and Steve are on the outs, too.

00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:15.579
And I feel like there's a lot of looking in Steve

00:46:15.579 --> 00:46:18.019
needs to do on that relationship as well. Dustin

00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:20.559
lost somebody that he absolutely loves. Dustin

00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.300
doesn't have a dad. And Eddie was like one just

00:46:23.300 --> 00:46:26.019
as much as you, Steve. And you need to cool it

00:46:26.019 --> 00:46:27.920
on your tone too, man. That's what I have to

00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.159
say about that. Yeah, I think Steve is... I don't

00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.360
understand him this season, I gotta say. Yeah,

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.960
he's very... I think he's just really caught

00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.619
up in Nancy. His focus is Nancy. And that's it.

00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.260
And you know what it's like when you have a crush

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:46.019
that big. You really do somewhat. And especially

00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.920
like... Quarantine, and these are the only people,

00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.760
and you're around her every day, like, and she's

00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.079
with this other guy. Ugh. I gotta say, not a

00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.679
big fan of that storyline, or what Jonathan's

00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.699
up to in this season. Steve's persona is, like,

00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:01.960
very solely focused. It's a little weird. I'm

00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.300
hoping for more in the second volume. Mm -hmm.

00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.039
Another question that needs answering. Is Dustin

00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.139
going to die? And I'll give you three quotes

00:47:11.139 --> 00:47:13.300
that made me be like, harbingers of his death.

00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:16.960
Quote. I want to see Vecna's heart on a platter.

00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.800
Uh -oh. Oh, no. Anybody that solely focused on

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.260
killing has always not gotten up to any good.

00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:28.360
Hellfire dies with you and it dies tonight. It

00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:32.840
makes me uncomfortable. And I won't always be

00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.119
around to solve your problem, Steve. Mm -hmm.

00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.360
Yikes. Yeah. I will say... I think that they're

00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.800
playing with us and that Dustin is going to survive,

00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.980
but that he is going to do something super reckless

00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:46.239
that will get somebody else killed. And that's

00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.639
what that photo of Steve hugging Dustin that

00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.780
you were commenting on last episode is all about.

00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:56.440
Why is Holly's D &D class significant? Well,

00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:59.860
here's some answers, and then we'll speculate

00:47:59.860 --> 00:48:01.920
a little bit at the end of this. So from the

00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.199
Stranger Things wiki, with some explanations

00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.019
from the phrase maker, unless otherwise notated.

00:48:07.949 --> 00:48:10.550
1983, it's a little different from the rest of

00:48:10.550 --> 00:48:12.710
the show. Mike is Tair, but we don't know who

00:48:12.710 --> 00:48:15.710
that is. He's just the DM. Will is Will the Wise,

00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:18.730
and that's just an elf magic user. It's not labeled

00:48:18.730 --> 00:48:22.130
yet. Lucas is Sundar the Bold. He's a human knight.

00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:27.570
Dustin, best name, best class. He's Nog, a dwarf

00:48:27.570 --> 00:48:33.010
bard, which is wonderful. No notes. 1984, season

00:48:33.010 --> 00:48:35.590
two, it's different. We now know that Tair is

00:48:35.590 --> 00:48:38.039
a halfling paladin. Which makes a lot of sense,

00:48:38.059 --> 00:48:40.639
given that we had the whole Frodo speech from

00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.179
Mike earlier. A paladin is a holy knight bound

00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:48.099
by a sacred oath, often to help others and fight

00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:50.619
for order in the world. That seems very Mike

00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:53.440
Coda, does it not? Mm -hmm. Yep, definitely.

00:48:54.260 --> 00:48:57.219
Will, still Will the Wise, but he's labeled as

00:48:57.219 --> 00:49:00.280
a cleric slash magic user, which I find fascinating.

00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:03.000
So, in the first season, he's Will the Wise,

00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:04.500
and they refer to him a little bit as a wizard,

00:49:04.579 --> 00:49:07.059
but it's just like magic user. A wizard is a

00:49:07.059 --> 00:49:10.099
magic user who has to study in order to be able

00:49:10.099 --> 00:49:13.659
to use magic, making them wise and powerful.

00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:17.320
So he's called a wizard, but he's also a cleric.

00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:19.960
From D &D Beyond, clerics are intermediaries

00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:21.739
between the mortal world and the distant planes

00:49:21.739 --> 00:49:25.079
of the gods. As varied as the gods they serve,

00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.440
clerics strive to embody the handiwork of their

00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.679
deities. No ordinary priest, a cleric is imbued

00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.780
with divine magic. It makes a lot of sense for

00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:37.059
Will, who is serving the deity of Vecna and is

00:49:37.059 --> 00:49:39.840
the intermediary between the Upside Down and

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.260
Vecna in Season 2, so that's fine for 1984. They

00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.480
will change his class again this season. More

00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.360
on that in a second. Lucas is Sondar the Bold

00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.159
still, but he's now a human ranger, aka like

00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.920
Aragorn, who's a ranger from the North. Aragorn

00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.159
also has a love that lasts through the war, even

00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.679
though everyone thinks that they'll, you know,

00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.599
not end up together. So hopefully that is reflecting

00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.440
Max and Lucas. I can only hold out so much hope.

00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:11.579
And of course, a ranger is a classic archer.

00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.880
You know, you think about all the water balloons,

00:50:14.019 --> 00:50:17.420
the fireworks, the slingshot gun. Skilled hunter

00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:19.380
and tracker who usually stays on the outskirts

00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:23.260
of civilizations and battles as well. Dustin

00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:26.230
is still Nog, still a dwarf bard. Bart is known

00:50:26.230 --> 00:50:28.150
for the charisma. It's Dustin in a nutshell.

00:50:28.650 --> 00:50:31.349
Quick notes here. Just as a reminder, Max refers

00:50:31.349 --> 00:50:34.809
to herself as their Zoomer. I've not seen much

00:50:34.809 --> 00:50:37.130
super speed from Max, although I will say she

00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:40.889
did outrun Vecna when he's chasing her in his

00:50:40.889 --> 00:50:44.630
own mind. So that's good. And Erica introduces

00:50:44.630 --> 00:50:48.550
Lady Applejack, which is a half of Rogue. And

00:50:48.550 --> 00:50:51.889
then there's Holly. Okay, Holly. Dubbed Holly

00:50:51.889 --> 00:50:54.900
the Heroic because... Mike, although his character

00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:56.760
is much improved, his alliteration game is rather

00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:00.780
basic. Holly the Heroic is a cleric. This is

00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:05.739
what Will was in Season 2. Given the gift of

00:51:05.739 --> 00:51:08.679
magic from a god in order to heal and support

00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.280
others. Here's Sierra, what you were talking

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.119
about with healing at the end of Season 4. This

00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.480
character that has been given to Holly says healing.

00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.179
And we know that Holly right now is being infected

00:51:19.179 --> 00:51:21.800
like Will was. So she's probably going to have

00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.449
powers, right? Right. Maybe she's going to have

00:51:25.449 --> 00:51:30.010
healing, too. One important spell they can use

00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:33.349
is called Dimension Door, which was specifically

00:51:33.349 --> 00:51:36.550
touched on by Mike at this moment. The Dimension

00:51:36.550 --> 00:51:39.869
Door spell allows a cleric to teleport themselves

00:51:39.869 --> 00:51:43.010
and anyone with them to anywhere in existence

00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:46.590
that they can visualize within range. It seems

00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:49.769
things are shaping up for this to be what gets

00:51:49.769 --> 00:51:52.820
Holly and Max out of Henry's memory. bringing

00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:55.840
Holly back to her family and reawakening Max

00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.039
for the final battle. If this turns out to be

00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.460
true, then Holly the heroic may just turn out

00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:02.880
to be one of the most important characters the

00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:07.099
entire season. That is from the phrase maker.

00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:11.880
So a very helpful note there. Mike also says

00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:16.079
specifically that clerics, you know, have divine

00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:19.059
powers, as we've said. but can protect against

00:52:19.059 --> 00:52:22.659
evil spirits as well. Yeah. And I think that

00:52:22.659 --> 00:52:26.840
we can potentially put the mind player in the

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:34.239
evil spirit category. So potentially this amount

00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:39.079
of magic or powers that she is being imbued with

00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.579
may make her less susceptible. To whatever the

00:52:42.579 --> 00:52:45.920
mind flayer is up to. Bring us Yabba Baba. It's

00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.800
our spirited away category for what is an evil

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.760
spirit? The mind flayer. I'm kidding. That's

00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.360
not an actual category. Please don't sue us.

00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.280
Very important. Must not forget. Cleric has been

00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.739
removed from Will the Wise. Mike and Will specifically

00:53:00.739 --> 00:53:02.940
discuss him as a wizard. And then Mike says,

00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:05.599
you're more like a sorcerer. A sorcerer is a

00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.059
magic user who has the ability to use magic without

00:53:08.059 --> 00:53:12.710
any studying or forging of deals. as their powers

00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:15.409
are innate. Mike specifically says he is more

00:53:15.409 --> 00:53:17.349
like a sorcerer than a wizard because his powers

00:53:17.349 --> 00:53:19.409
are innate, not learned from books or studies.

00:53:19.530 --> 00:53:21.409
So, Sierra, what does this all mean for Holly?

00:53:21.650 --> 00:53:26.170
I think that it means she is going to have the

00:53:26.170 --> 00:53:30.469
ability within her once we get out of Vecna's

00:53:30.469 --> 00:53:35.409
continued mind memory palace, and she will have

00:53:35.409 --> 00:53:40.530
the ability to heal, the ability to get them

00:53:40.530 --> 00:53:44.570
out. the ability to potentially join the party

00:53:44.570 --> 00:53:48.030
in a more meaningful way. And her powers are

00:53:48.030 --> 00:53:50.210
going to be innate, which makes me think that

00:53:50.210 --> 00:53:55.309
possibly she won't lose them. Her powers are

00:53:55.309 --> 00:53:57.670
described as coming from a divine being, which

00:53:57.670 --> 00:54:00.889
is different than how Mike had described Will's

00:54:00.889 --> 00:54:05.630
powers as being innate. Yeah. Because Will's

00:54:05.630 --> 00:54:09.440
powers and... potentially Holly's, are coming

00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.099
from the same source. So this brings me back

00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:15.260
to if Vecna is gone, but probably both of them

00:54:15.260 --> 00:54:18.500
will lose their abilities. Yeah, totally. Okay.

00:54:19.059 --> 00:54:21.760
Fascinating. Yeah, I'm really interested to see

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.639
what happens with Holly's character. Here's a

00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.039
two -parter for you, Sierra. Is the kidnapping

00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.480
of the Turnbow kid eerily similar to what Billy

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.840
does with the adult napping of Heather's mom

00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:36.920
and dad in season three? Drug family take family

00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:42.119
away. That's the plan. Did they not just copy

00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.840
what the Mind Flayer makes Billy do? I mean,

00:54:44.940 --> 00:54:49.280
a little bit, but they also are... They have

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.780
the second part of the plan. It's just get the

00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:54.320
family away so they're not there for the real

00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.099
plan. It's not that getting them away is the

00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:02.179
main part of the plan. That's true. Also, here's

00:55:02.179 --> 00:55:04.940
the second part. Is this kidnapping plan a good

00:55:04.940 --> 00:55:07.909
plan? Because it... requires people not being

00:55:07.909 --> 00:55:12.250
blindfolded and and he the kid got his blindfold

00:55:12.250 --> 00:55:19.789
off really easily i i get why we had to have

00:55:19.789 --> 00:55:22.929
the demogorgon turn around and come back and

00:55:22.929 --> 00:55:24.710
we had to have a little bit more high stakes

00:55:24.710 --> 00:55:29.070
and have this kid actually fear for his life

00:55:29.070 --> 00:55:31.110
and understand that there is a monster after

00:55:31.110 --> 00:55:33.389
him so that he can join the group and whatnot

00:55:33.389 --> 00:55:39.570
however It did feel like, I'm sorry, but if they

00:55:39.570 --> 00:55:43.369
got the dosing right on the parents, I don't

00:55:43.369 --> 00:55:46.650
care how overweight this kid is, the dosing's

00:55:46.650 --> 00:55:51.369
gonna be adequate. I know that that is kind of

00:55:51.369 --> 00:55:54.230
the undercurrent of what the insinuation is.

00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:59.769
He ate two pieces, how is he awake? That's why

00:55:59.769 --> 00:56:04.150
he's still awake? Or why he has woken up? Right.

00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.980
His body has processed it faster or assimilated

00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:11.639
it in a different way because when you are dosing

00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:15.780
an elephant, per se, you need more than a mouse.

00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:21.139
Right. And they did, however, make the comment

00:56:21.139 --> 00:56:23.920
that this stuff is enough to knock out an elephant.

00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.539
Right. Robin says this when they are stealing

00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:30.920
it. Right. Which is almost like, hey, that kid

00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.880
ate two pieces. We should be worrying about him

00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.420
dying, not him waking up. Yes, exactly. So and

00:56:37.420 --> 00:56:42.139
the Tina just gets a shot of it because there

00:56:42.139 --> 00:56:45.559
was a so have another backup. I don't. Yeah.

00:56:45.980 --> 00:56:50.920
Hello. I don't know. I just I feel like the the

00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:56.460
general idea is a decent plan. But I think that

00:56:56.460 --> 00:57:01.659
there's a lot of contrived. Contrivances is not

00:57:01.659 --> 00:57:05.900
a word. For the plot. Exactly. There's some plot

00:57:05.900 --> 00:57:08.440
armor around the Demogorgon being able to be

00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.400
like, ah, that kid just looked. I will say, I

00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.019
mean, it makes sense for the pacing of the story,

00:57:13.059 --> 00:57:15.039
for everybody coming back, etc. I feel like you

00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.579
could have zuzzed that out a little bit more

00:57:17.579 --> 00:57:21.559
to be a bit more believable. But we are parsing

00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:23.219
because we are deep diving, and that's okay.

00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:28.380
I will say, the entire rest of the plot... super

00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:31.800
cool big trap although a chainsaw would not have

00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:37.380
cut through that floor like that don't ruin steve's

00:57:37.380 --> 00:57:42.199
dreams so uh you know the the trap door the barbed

00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.039
wiring the you know flambéing the shooting the

00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:48.159
tracker super cool brilliant really like that

00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.380
idea um was really funny when murray was like

00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:55.119
that'll never work and nancy was like shut up

00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.519
Or I will, you know, aim for your gentleman's

00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.920
region, and I can hit a target no matter how

00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.400
small. Great Nancy line. So everything else is

00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.840
cool, but yeah, that last part is a doozy for

00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:12.199
that plan. Sierra, what is this giant gate made

00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:13.940
of tendrils and postules and the upside down?

00:58:14.099 --> 00:58:17.599
And did the Hawkins lab actually make it? No

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.820
idea. This is one that I honestly have no insight

00:58:22.820 --> 00:58:28.110
on this one. Yeah. Okay. It's a very big question

00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:31.469
for me. No. Yeah. I have, I have no information.

00:58:31.690 --> 00:58:33.929
It's just, it's like branched out in a circle

00:58:33.929 --> 00:58:36.829
surrounding, and it seems to be, I guess the

00:58:36.829 --> 00:58:40.730
barrier potentially between the upside down and

00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:45.110
dimension X. Maybe. And like Vecna's mind area,

00:58:45.369 --> 00:58:48.349
which the, but I don't understand how that exists

00:58:48.349 --> 00:58:51.010
in the same plane. The cave. That should be like

00:58:51.010 --> 00:58:53.170
a third plane. Well, and it should be its own

00:58:53.170 --> 00:58:56.199
plan because we've seen Holly. with the tube

00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.059
in her mouth in dimension x somewhere slash the

00:58:59.059 --> 00:59:01.639
upside down and so then she must be in a different

00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.719
plane but it also looks very much like the cave

00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:06.739
that they're in that wall system is also the

00:59:06.739 --> 00:59:09.460
same height as the gate so there's a lot of questions

00:59:09.460 --> 00:59:14.179
around that for me okay so here's a huge note

00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:16.699
what is with all these wrinkle in time references

00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:20.840
and what is this other world holly and max is

00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.260
in so Wrinkle in Time is my first big fandom

00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:28.260
book that I ever read with magic systems and

00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:29.820
any of that stuff. Did you ever read it, Sierra?

00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:33.159
I honestly don't know that I did. I might have

00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.739
read it as a kid. I have no memory of it, though.

00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:39.119
It was like my sister's favorite book growing

00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.840
up, and I really enjoyed it as well. And then

00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:42.579
I read it a couple years ago with my wife, and

00:59:42.579 --> 00:59:44.000
I was like, yeah, this book still slaps. It's

00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.659
great. It's worth a read for everybody, even

00:59:46.659 --> 00:59:49.159
if it's just for Stranger Things reasons that

00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.210
you want to know for more information. So here's

00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:54.889
a Wrinkle in Time Sparknotes simple first couple

00:59:54.889 --> 00:59:58.230
sentences summary. Wrinkle in Time is the story

00:59:58.230 --> 01:00:01.489
of Meg Murray, an adolescent girl who is transported

01:00:01.489 --> 01:00:03.590
on an adventure through time and space with her

01:00:03.590 --> 01:00:05.969
younger brother Charles Wallace and her friend

01:00:05.969 --> 01:00:09.909
Calvin O 'Keefe to rescue Meg's father, a gifted

01:00:09.909 --> 01:00:13.070
scientist, from the evil forces that hold him

01:00:13.070 --> 01:00:17.010
prisoner on another planet. So kind of almost

01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:19.409
exactly what's going on with Holly and Max. So

01:00:19.409 --> 01:00:24.929
Holly calls this like mind palace prison of Vecna's

01:00:24.929 --> 01:00:29.730
Kamazots. She says specifically, like, it's like

01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:32.429
this dark planet that's under the control of

01:00:32.429 --> 01:00:36.869
it, which she explains as a giant disembodied

01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:41.630
evil brain. Here's the problem. Holly is by herself

01:00:41.630 --> 01:00:44.900
as Meg. There's no Calvin or Charles. In the

01:00:44.900 --> 01:00:48.599
book, Meg's dad gets taken prisoner on Camazotz,

01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.980
and all three of them have to save dad, but also

01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:56.239
other things ensue, right? What happens to Charles?

01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:58.539
What happens to Calvin? I won't spoil the book

01:00:58.539 --> 01:01:02.800
as much as I can. Holly literally says that Max

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.139
is like Meg's dad. And then she says, so Henry's

01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:10.420
kind of like it, and you're kind of like Meg's

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:16.300
dad. But Sierra, here's my major theory. When

01:01:16.300 --> 01:01:19.500
you hear the words giant disembodied evil brain,

01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:24.039
who do you think of? The Mind Flayer. Not Henry

01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.699
Creel. It's absolutely the Mind Flayer. So to

01:01:27.699 --> 01:01:30.519
me, Holly's getting close, but she's not on the

01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.500
money yet. Holly is Meg, certainly. But Max is

01:01:33.500 --> 01:01:35.699
going to end up being more like Charles or Calvin.

01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:37.559
So I'm going to guess that they're going to add

01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.829
another character. Like maybe someone's going

01:01:40.829 --> 01:01:43.349
to get Vecna'd in the main crew and join Max

01:01:43.349 --> 01:01:46.269
there. Or it's going to be like Derek or one

01:01:46.269 --> 01:01:49.590
of these kids. To complete the trio. And that

01:01:49.590 --> 01:01:52.469
they'll save Meg's dad. Which in this case is

01:01:52.469 --> 01:01:54.909
Henry Creel. Who's the guy that's been taken

01:01:54.909 --> 01:01:59.469
over by the Mind Flayer. And they're going to

01:01:59.469 --> 01:02:02.289
save him, Meg's dad, from It. Which I believe

01:02:02.289 --> 01:02:05.809
It is the Mind Flayer. Meg's dad is Henry. Now...

01:02:06.030 --> 01:02:07.530
Here's the thing. If you really don't want spoilers

01:02:07.530 --> 01:02:11.250
to a wrinkle in time, skip this. Charles is Meg's

01:02:11.250 --> 01:02:14.449
little brother. Charles gets taken over by it

01:02:14.449 --> 01:02:17.610
as soon as they free the dad. I think this might

01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:21.170
be talking about the fact that Vecna's eye, if

01:02:21.170 --> 01:02:23.690
you have it for too long, corrupts you into being

01:02:23.690 --> 01:02:29.489
like Vecna. So this may be that Will turns and

01:02:29.489 --> 01:02:32.610
is now, you know, overcome by the mind flare.

01:02:32.710 --> 01:02:36.199
But we shall see. We shall see. Thoughts on any

01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.340
of that, Sierra? I like this theory. I think

01:02:39.340 --> 01:02:43.260
it's very interesting. I guess we will see. There's

01:02:43.260 --> 01:02:48.119
a lot of illusions, which once the Duffer Brothers

01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.920
have put in enough illusions, you get to understand

01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.500
a little bit of where they're going. And so I

01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:57.920
feel like there's too much to ignore. So potentially

01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.519
following the plot a little bit more would make

01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:04.480
sense. However... They also like to take things

01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.900
and twist them. So it's possible that we think

01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:09.039
that this is where it's going and then it goes

01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:11.860
in a completely different direction. Don't ruin

01:03:11.860 --> 01:03:17.960
my dreams. Okay, so what is the significance

01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.300
of the cave that they're in? This is a direct

01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:24.599
reference to the play. I'd once again bet anything

01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.340
that this is the cave that little Henry Creel

01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:29.480
comes into contact with in Nevada that we hear

01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.760
about in First Shadow. You can see in the Boy

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.780
Scout picture, he's a happy, smiling kid, so

01:03:34.780 --> 01:03:39.639
he wasn't always evil. Yeah, I agree 100%. It's

01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.860
part of his memory. He refuses to go in it, and

01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:46.179
it has to be terrifying to him. And the cave

01:03:46.179 --> 01:03:49.940
is the only thing that fits that bill, that he

01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:53.019
would be so terrified of that he wouldn't even

01:03:53.019 --> 01:03:57.199
dare approach it. So it has to be... That this

01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.360
is the cave where he comes in contact with the

01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.000
Mind Flayer. His reaction as an adult, hunting

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.400
down Max and being so scared to go in there,

01:04:06.460 --> 01:04:08.360
I think is the biggest thing that has shown me

01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.440
that you and I are right. The Mind Flayer is

01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.920
actually in charge, not him. Yeah, I would agree.

01:04:14.179 --> 01:04:16.320
I think this is also interesting. This is another

01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.480
Harry Potter reference, the cave in Voldemort's

01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.969
past that he hides one of his horcrux in. As

01:04:20.969 --> 01:04:22.769
being, you know, a super important thing. And

01:04:22.769 --> 01:04:24.789
Empire Strikes Back reference, right? The dark

01:04:24.789 --> 01:04:27.530
side cave that Luke kills the, like, force -generated

01:04:27.530 --> 01:04:30.809
Vader in. And then the helmet explodes and it's

01:04:30.809 --> 01:04:34.369
Luke inside the whole time. Mm -hmm. So we know

01:04:34.369 --> 01:04:36.510
from the play for Shadow that Dr. Brenner is

01:04:36.510 --> 01:04:38.730
trying to reach Dimension X to see what his father

01:04:38.730 --> 01:04:41.829
saw. A scientist defects Steel's equipment and

01:04:41.829 --> 01:04:44.400
hides in a cave. Hanyu comes into contact with

01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.059
equipment and is whisked off to Dimension X for

01:04:47.059 --> 01:04:49.320
12 hours. This is when he meets the Mind Flayer,

01:04:49.460 --> 01:04:51.519
that's the giant evil voice in his head during

01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.780
the play, and this is when he first gets his

01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:56.659
powers. He becomes more evil after this occurrence.

01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.980
He becomes evil at all, let's be honest. He's

01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:01.440
not evil before that. I think the biggest question,

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.500
knowing all of this though, is what does the

01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:09.199
Mind Flayer, or Vakina, want with these kids?

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.559
Once they have more Vecnas, Wills, Hollies, etc.,

01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.500
what are they going to do with them? They have

01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:21.059
a specific target list. He says he wants them

01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:23.579
because they're weak, they're easily molded,

01:05:23.619 --> 01:05:27.780
you can basically reform them in whatever image

01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:31.519
you want, and this is why he has collected all

01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:36.239
of these kids, but to what purpose? To be Brenner

01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:40.300
and recreate this? To... He doesn't have the

01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:43.219
motivation to reach dimension X because he's

01:05:43.219 --> 01:05:48.199
there. So there just doesn't seem to be a clear

01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.159
end game of what exactly are they trying to accomplish

01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:54.820
here? Well, and I wonder, I wonder if the mind,

01:05:54.820 --> 01:05:56.559
what the mind player wants and what Henry wants

01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:58.059
are two different things. And that the mind player

01:05:58.059 --> 01:06:00.599
is utilizing Henry's want to recreate the world

01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.079
to have powerful beings that do the right thing

01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:08.090
in his mind as a way of opening up. a gate that

01:06:08.090 --> 01:06:09.730
the mind flayer can get through itself. Cause

01:06:09.730 --> 01:06:12.070
you know, you look at Will's like finger painting

01:06:12.070 --> 01:06:15.590
that he draws this huge thing with all the different

01:06:15.590 --> 01:06:18.210
spots for the kids to go. It's the mind flayers

01:06:18.210 --> 01:06:22.010
right up right in it. Like it, it's there. So

01:06:22.010 --> 01:06:25.429
I, you're right. That's a huge question. I don't

01:06:25.429 --> 01:06:27.670
think we have any, any answers or clues yet,

01:06:27.809 --> 01:06:34.829
which is cool and also frustrating. So here's

01:06:34.829 --> 01:06:37.289
another one. How is Max going to utilize Holly

01:06:37.289 --> 01:06:39.809
and how will she escape back into her body versus

01:06:39.809 --> 01:06:43.070
how will Holly escape back into her body? Do

01:06:43.070 --> 01:06:45.389
you have an answer, Sierra? I think it's going

01:06:45.389 --> 01:06:49.010
to come to this dimension door situation where

01:06:49.010 --> 01:06:52.929
they're going to be able to follow something

01:06:52.929 --> 01:06:56.150
through enough and Holly's going to be able to

01:06:56.150 --> 01:07:01.550
keep the portal open to get them out. Now, I

01:07:01.550 --> 01:07:06.320
think the question is really, Do they need to

01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:08.239
follow two separate things to get both of them

01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.920
out? Or can Holly jump through when Max jumps

01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.780
through? I think it's the latter. I think that

01:07:14.780 --> 01:07:16.639
once there's a portal out to the real world,

01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.800
you can go out to the real world. However, I

01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:22.699
think they're going to have to get Holly's body

01:07:22.699 --> 01:07:28.460
out of the Upside Down. Potentially first. Now,

01:07:28.539 --> 01:07:32.760
there's also a possibility that Holly gets Max

01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:37.199
out and then Max... knows then through whatever

01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.320
they've been through knows where holly's body

01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:44.659
is and then they can go and i'm assuming at that

01:07:44.659 --> 01:07:46.320
point they will also have the other kids there

01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:48.940
as well yeah and they can go and rescue everybody

01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:52.340
together yeah and so max will be able to leave

01:07:52.340 --> 01:07:55.280
and go back to the right side up to then go back

01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.920
to the upside down not henry's mind palace but

01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:03.039
the upside down and rescue all of the kids and

01:08:04.300 --> 01:08:07.380
somehow free their minds. But I think that it's

01:08:07.380 --> 01:08:10.400
going to be a slightly different situation where

01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:16.680
they either have to kill Vecna first for the

01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:22.619
kids to all be released, or because Will didn't

01:08:22.619 --> 01:08:26.279
have to necessarily escape from some sort of

01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.500
something when he was being, you know, burned

01:08:29.500 --> 01:08:34.409
using the gross tube. Yeah. Which is exactly

01:08:34.409 --> 01:08:37.029
what Holly's going through. So potentially once

01:08:37.029 --> 01:08:40.609
they remove that again, I know I keep alluding

01:08:40.609 --> 01:08:42.930
to like a gin, but that's really what it makes

01:08:42.930 --> 01:08:46.930
me think of when you detach the, when you detach

01:08:46.930 --> 01:08:50.369
from whatever the gin is pumping into you, you

01:08:50.369 --> 01:08:54.069
wake up. Right. So if you're detached, then you'll

01:08:54.069 --> 01:08:56.029
be there. And so I think that that's potentially

01:08:56.029 --> 01:08:59.050
what's going to happen. Yeah. I mean, if you

01:08:59.050 --> 01:09:02.409
guys don't want a, Spoiler from the trailer.

01:09:03.170 --> 01:09:06.289
Skip ahead a little bit. In the trailer, one

01:09:06.289 --> 01:09:08.890
of the one scenes that we have not seen yet is

01:09:08.890 --> 01:09:13.670
Lucas holding Max's body in an elevator as Demodogs

01:09:13.670 --> 01:09:16.789
are running towards him. So I think that at some

01:09:16.789 --> 01:09:19.029
point, Vector's going to catch on to the fact

01:09:19.029 --> 01:09:20.729
that Max and Holly are together and Vector's

01:09:20.729 --> 01:09:23.010
going to try and kill Max's literal body to get

01:09:23.010 --> 01:09:27.619
her out of his head. But I think this cleric

01:09:27.619 --> 01:09:29.699
thing is all correct, right? With the dimension

01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:32.399
door being open. But I gotta say, Holly's in

01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.359
for a much ruder awakening being in Dimension

01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:40.699
X than Max is. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, for continued

01:09:40.699 --> 01:09:45.260
further deep dive on that one, it is the image

01:09:45.260 --> 01:09:49.699
that they're using for Episode 6 is Lucas holding

01:09:49.699 --> 01:09:54.909
Max and the title is Escape from Campus X. Good.

01:09:55.250 --> 01:09:57.409
Well, that'll be fun. Good, good, good, good,

01:09:57.470 --> 01:10:01.630
good. Quick, quick question here. Is Murray's

01:10:01.630 --> 01:10:04.810
character being utilized well? Yes. Yeah, I think

01:10:04.810 --> 01:10:06.750
so, too. Some people are really upset that he

01:10:06.750 --> 01:10:10.310
seems to be sidelined. And I'm like, they need

01:10:10.310 --> 01:10:11.810
a smuggler. He's doing his thing. He's doing

01:10:11.810 --> 01:10:14.550
his thing. And also, unless he died in that truck

01:10:14.550 --> 01:10:17.090
accident. Yeah, exactly. And unless he died in

01:10:17.090 --> 01:10:19.569
that truck accident, he's going to be with the

01:10:19.569 --> 01:10:22.619
main group starting now. Yeah. Like, you know,

01:10:22.659 --> 01:10:25.359
it took an episode before Erica showed up this

01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:27.060
season. It took two episodes before Max showed

01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:29.020
up. Murray's been in all of them. He's had great

01:10:29.020 --> 01:10:34.079
moments. Leave him alone, people. Okay. Here's

01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:38.819
big theory time for Sierra and I. We have, like,

01:10:38.939 --> 01:10:41.819
essentially blacked out. our theories from each

01:10:41.819 --> 01:10:43.260
other. So this will be the first time that we're

01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:45.380
hearing each other's theories. I'm very excited

01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:47.699
about this. It comes under the question, what

01:10:47.699 --> 01:10:49.939
is the big purpose of eight being behind this

01:10:49.939 --> 01:10:52.239
kryptonite prison? And where is her character

01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:56.359
going from here? So my big theory goes back to

01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:58.260
a little something that we were talking about

01:10:58.260 --> 01:11:03.460
in season four. I'll, I'll give you the little

01:11:03.460 --> 01:11:05.579
bit of what I've already said in the pod. And

01:11:05.579 --> 01:11:08.859
I'm going to add on season four. In Eddie's campaign,

01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.100
where we first hear the name Vecna, only Erica,

01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.199
who's subbing in for Lucas, and Dustin are left.

01:11:15.100 --> 01:11:20.140
Dustin rolls an 11. Obviously L. That's a miss,

01:11:20.420 --> 01:11:24.699
Eddie says. So 11 alone cannot kill Vecna. At

01:11:24.699 --> 01:11:29.079
the same time, Lucas, wearing a number 8, shoots

01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.579
the basketball and wins the basketball game.

01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.180
Fantastic. At that same moment, though, Erica

01:11:36.180 --> 01:11:40.960
rolls... a d20, and gets a 20, which in D &D

01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:44.439
means no matter how hard the task is with any

01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.699
of your additional add -ons or modifiers, a 20

01:11:47.699 --> 01:11:53.579
always means success. However, 11 plus 8 is 19,

01:11:53.760 --> 01:12:01.220
not 20. But Sierra, if you add 1, you get 20.

01:12:02.060 --> 01:12:05.520
So I'm even more convinced that Henry Creel We'll

01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:07.800
turn against the Mind Flayer because of what's

01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.239
going on in Holly's and Mac's storyline. And

01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:16.800
we'll join 11 and 8 in order to kill the Mind

01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:20.439
Flayer, giving us 11 plus 8 plus 1, a d20 roll

01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:26.140
with those three characters. Interesting. It's

01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:30.579
the best theory in the whole world! It's a pretty

01:12:30.579 --> 01:12:33.159
great theory. I do really like it. I think it

01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.100
makes a lot of sense. I think that all of the

01:12:35.100 --> 01:12:40.119
moments are there to make it clear. I don't disagree

01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:45.539
with it at all. I have a little bit of kind of

01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:47.880
crazy. I guess I went a little bit different

01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:54.340
with my what is eight's purpose theory. The original

01:12:54.340 --> 01:12:56.699
purpose of her being there is specifically to

01:12:56.699 --> 01:12:59.020
combat Eleven, because all of her powers are

01:12:59.020 --> 01:13:02.100
mental and they tap into your own mind in a way

01:13:02.100 --> 01:13:06.100
that Elle's doesn't, in a way that Will's doesn't,

01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:14.420
etc. She is the only other one left living that

01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:19.619
we know of, and also potentially, you know, Cops

01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:22.760
may have caught up to her eventually. I'm sure

01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:24.140
we're going to find out a little bit more of

01:13:24.140 --> 01:13:25.699
what happened to her and how she ended up here.

01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.600
Military maybe tracked Elle's little journey

01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:33.380
when she found Callie in the first place. But

01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:37.359
what I think will happen from here, I think she

01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:41.380
is what you said. She is going to be vital to

01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:44.819
defeating the Mind Flayer or Vecna, whichever

01:13:44.819 --> 01:13:48.329
the... big evil of this plot will be. I think

01:13:48.329 --> 01:13:51.210
that that is her main purpose. I think that Eleven

01:13:51.210 --> 01:13:56.970
is going to teach her to use love because it's

01:13:56.970 --> 01:13:59.489
stronger than hate. Because Hallie taught Eleven

01:13:59.489 --> 01:14:05.029
to use hate, and Eleven is going to show her

01:14:05.029 --> 01:14:07.670
that the opposite is actually true. Nice. Good.

01:14:07.829 --> 01:14:11.010
Love it. Here's my really crazy, out -of -the

01:14:11.010 --> 01:14:15.050
-box idea. Give it to me. Could she be a new

01:14:15.050 --> 01:14:20.029
love interest for Dustin? She's dark. He's really

01:14:20.029 --> 01:14:23.649
dark now, too. It's probably why he and Susie

01:14:23.649 --> 01:14:25.609
potentially don't make sense anymore because

01:14:25.609 --> 01:14:27.949
she's this very bright and bubbly and happy.

01:14:28.850 --> 01:14:32.229
Dusty Buns doesn't exist anymore. No. He does

01:14:32.229 --> 01:14:34.850
not exist. Dusty Buns is not there anymore. I

01:14:34.850 --> 01:14:36.930
think that it could be very interesting when

01:14:36.930 --> 01:14:40.420
A gets introduced to the rest of the crew. That

01:14:40.420 --> 01:14:42.960
Dustin maybe finds something in her that's very

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.319
interesting. And because he's, you know, a little

01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:49.779
researcher and likes to get more information

01:14:49.779 --> 01:14:54.159
on things and is kind of our plot guy on why

01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.000
certain things work. I think that maybe they

01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.420
could have a little bond of plotting and coming

01:14:59.420 --> 01:15:02.819
up with uses for her powers that work with whatever

01:15:02.819 --> 01:15:05.279
plot they're going to be creating towards the

01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:08.039
end of the season. Totally. That's my out of

01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:10.369
the box possibility. I love it. I'm here for

01:15:10.369 --> 01:15:13.850
it. Callie and Dustin, let's go. Okay, here's

01:15:13.850 --> 01:15:16.029
another question. Are we headed for time travel?

01:15:16.390 --> 01:15:18.329
This is not something that either of us have

01:15:18.329 --> 01:15:21.590
really talked about. But it is a big theory that

01:15:21.590 --> 01:15:24.189
they're going to go back to either 1958 when

01:15:24.189 --> 01:15:27.529
Vecna meets the Mind Flayer and reset everything.

01:15:27.770 --> 01:15:29.689
And that's going to be why it's so sad. Because

01:15:29.689 --> 01:15:35.069
Will and Mike and Eleven and the whole crew doesn't

01:15:35.069 --> 01:15:37.880
meet. And because it changes the... The way that

01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:40.180
the play goes in 1959, everybody does different

01:15:40.180 --> 01:15:43.060
things and, you know, it makes it so that the

01:15:43.060 --> 01:15:47.199
mind flayer never has contact. Some people think

01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.399
they're going to go back to November 6th, 1983,

01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:53.300
mainly because Lucas pointed out that date so

01:15:53.300 --> 01:15:58.399
specifically. So I asked Reddit about this situation

01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.760
and Redditor Dagger Mastering wrote, I think

01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.779
they're setting up a Prisoner of Azkaban time

01:16:04.779 --> 01:16:08.029
travel thing. When I pressed for a little bit

01:16:08.029 --> 01:16:11.590
more info, they wrote probably to 1983 rather

01:16:11.590 --> 01:16:14.189
than like 59 or something. The upside down is

01:16:14.189 --> 01:16:16.590
Stuckerberth or whatever on the day that Will

01:16:16.590 --> 01:16:19.930
went missing. The fact that Henry has a fearful

01:16:19.930 --> 01:16:22.680
memory of something to do with the canyon. Max

01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:24.520
and Holly being locked in some memory world.

01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.899
All of the clocks, grandfather clocks, etc. Even

01:16:27.899 --> 01:16:29.760
the sound that occurs whenever Vecna is present

01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:33.899
resembles time slowing down. Defo, some time

01:16:33.899 --> 01:16:36.199
travel stuff coming. So, Sierra, what do you

01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.779
think? Time travel? I don't think we're heading

01:16:38.779 --> 01:16:41.840
for time travel. I think, I just think it's more

01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.329
of a reference to the memories. Because we have

01:16:45.329 --> 01:16:48.430
a lot of, we're kind of going back in time anyway

01:16:48.430 --> 01:16:52.130
through his memories. So I think that that is

01:16:52.130 --> 01:16:55.430
more of what these things are referencing. And

01:16:55.430 --> 01:16:58.670
I think the clock is just because a clock is

01:16:58.670 --> 01:17:01.789
kind of an iconic thing that we get in an older

01:17:01.789 --> 01:17:03.829
house. I thought that was all about he's coming.

01:17:04.029 --> 01:17:07.170
The time is coming rather than we're going back

01:17:07.170 --> 01:17:10.550
in time. Yeah. I'll put it even stronger. Because

01:17:10.550 --> 01:17:12.529
we get the stained glass all the time too. Well,

01:17:12.609 --> 01:17:14.569
we get the stained glass all the time, too, and

01:17:14.569 --> 01:17:16.770
so that doesn't really track. I think it's more

01:17:16.770 --> 01:17:19.670
just those iconic things that really bring you

01:17:19.670 --> 01:17:22.930
back to the Creel house. Yeah. I'll put it even

01:17:22.930 --> 01:17:25.890
stronger than you did. I hope to God we don't

01:17:25.890 --> 01:17:29.090
do it. Yeah, I really hope we don't. Time travel,

01:17:29.229 --> 01:17:32.810
when that's what it's about, is awesome. Yes.

01:17:33.170 --> 01:17:35.949
Time travel introduced to a universe that has

01:17:35.949 --> 01:17:39.270
not done it, I feel like almost always is disappointing.

01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:42.699
Yes. Like, the only time that I've ever seen

01:17:42.699 --> 01:17:45.439
time travel done super well, when it's been added

01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.399
in as an element, is Harry Potter and the Prisoner

01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.000
of Azkaban, where that ending is just so brilliant.

01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.479
But it's also, you've been layered in that that's

01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:55.939
a possibility with Hermione's whole storyline,

01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.000
and then it kind of like, oh, this is what's

01:17:58.000 --> 01:17:59.479
been going on, here's a little mystery solved,

01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:01.739
and now it's a tool. But even then, it caused

01:18:01.739 --> 01:18:04.840
Rowling a huge problem. She wrote about it in

01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:08.279
one of her outside materials, when she said,

01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.899
I maybe went into this too naively. Now that's

01:18:12.899 --> 01:18:14.779
not her exact words, but that the spirit of what

01:18:14.779 --> 01:18:18.460
she said. So like, let's not do time travel for

01:18:18.460 --> 01:18:22.960
God's sake, please. Yeah. Let's really not. We

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:24.720
don't need it. There's way too much else going

01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.199
on. We have way too many questions. Totally.

01:18:27.579 --> 01:18:31.500
Last question. Do we still think that Al or Will

01:18:31.500 --> 01:18:37.399
will go bad? I think Will, unless they decide.

01:18:37.819 --> 01:18:40.560
They realize that, oh, the Eye of Vecna is corrupting

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.220
you. You've got to stop doing this. And then

01:18:42.220 --> 01:18:44.520
they let Elle sort of have the last giant fight.

01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:50.100
Or Elle and Callie and Henry have the last giant

01:18:50.100 --> 01:18:53.119
fight against the Mind Flayer. I think that will

01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.800
maybe going bad. And again, this is going back

01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.460
to what Noah Schnapp was saying about everyone's

01:19:00.460 --> 01:19:01.840
going to be devastated and it's going to be sad

01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.619
and all that sort of stuff. And what you were

01:19:03.619 --> 01:19:06.199
talking about last episode, Sierra. So I think

01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.140
Will is definitely more on the, like, likely

01:19:09.140 --> 01:19:13.340
side than Eleven for me. I think I'm way less

01:19:13.340 --> 01:19:15.079
convinced with Elle at this point. She seems

01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:18.020
like a very straightforward superhero storyline

01:19:18.020 --> 01:19:20.359
at the moment with her and Hopper. And it's interesting,

01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.359
too, because is it weird, Sierra, that I do not

01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:25.399
care about her character nearly as much as everybody

01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:29.460
else? I've felt the same way, to be honest. Yeah.

01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:35.619
People were putting out, like... Little, not

01:19:35.619 --> 01:19:39.760
infographics, but little compilations of how

01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:44.239
I'll feel if these people die. And going from,

01:19:44.260 --> 01:19:48.720
eh, whatever, all the way to, if you kill him,

01:19:48.739 --> 01:19:51.579
we riot. All the way to Steve. All the way to

01:19:51.579 --> 01:19:56.439
Steve. So, so many people put L in this category

01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.840
of... I will be so traumatized or it will be

01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.859
horrible or I will really hate it if Elle dies.

01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:11.380
I kind of put her in the, oh no, bummer. I put

01:20:11.380 --> 01:20:13.899
her in the like, okay, yeah, I'm prepared for

01:20:13.899 --> 01:20:16.880
that. Whatever. Yeah. Like that seems right for

01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.300
her character. I don't know if it's just because

01:20:19.300 --> 01:20:22.060
we've dug so much into it that we're thinking

01:20:22.060 --> 01:20:24.340
of it more of like a logical, coming from it

01:20:24.340 --> 01:20:26.260
more logically than emotionally. From a story

01:20:26.260 --> 01:20:29.840
standpoint. It is the curse of being, like, really

01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.260
into analysis is that you do end up ruining some

01:20:32.260 --> 01:20:34.560
of the, like, experience of just being the fan.

01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.380
So I hear that. But, like, so here's my list

01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:40.020
right now of, like, characters I super duper

01:20:40.020 --> 01:20:41.800
care about going all the way down to contempt.

01:20:43.380 --> 01:20:45.220
Characters that I super duper care about. Holly,

01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:48.199
Nancy, Mike suddenly, Will, Dustin, Steve, Robin,

01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:50.819
Hopper, Max, Lucas. All care about this. Medium

01:20:50.819 --> 01:20:55.039
care. Joyce and Jonathan this season who've been

01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:57.399
kind of benched. A little bit benched. Like,

01:20:57.460 --> 01:20:59.880
Jonathan is, I'm maybe going to get engaged,

01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.899
but also getting engaged in the middle of a terrible

01:21:02.899 --> 01:21:05.399
relationship is not the way to fix a relationship.

01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:09.420
So, ugh. And Joyce is very much, like, just helicopter

01:21:09.420 --> 01:21:12.140
parent. Been relegated to helicopter parent status.

01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.020
So, that's not great. And then, I, like, medium

01:21:15.020 --> 01:21:17.220
care about Erica. I mean, I, like, really want

01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:19.600
her to survive and stuff, but I'm not absolutely

01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:23.489
devastated. mild care for 11 and 8 like i have

01:21:23.489 --> 01:21:26.930
the same level of care for 11 storyline yeah

01:21:26.930 --> 01:21:29.510
that i do for 8 right now and maybe that'll zurp

01:21:29.510 --> 01:21:32.210
up a little bit but like i don't know actual

01:21:32.210 --> 01:21:36.329
contempt i would say dr k even with the possibility

01:21:36.329 --> 01:21:39.930
of her in my mind still maybe being good uh she's

01:21:39.930 --> 01:21:43.079
the major general right And also the military

01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:46.239
I have actual contempt for, especially Kay's

01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.979
mercenary group, the Wolf Pack. Those are the

01:21:48.979 --> 01:21:50.800
mercenaries that are specifically trying to capture

01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:52.680
Elle. They're in this sort of different military

01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:54.260
uniform. So there's like the army, which you

01:21:54.260 --> 01:21:56.680
can see. And then there's the solid like olive

01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:59.520
green. That's her and her group. And then there's

01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:01.020
the mercenaries that's in a different color.

01:22:01.100 --> 01:22:02.779
That's the Wolf Pack. And those are the people

01:22:02.779 --> 01:22:06.380
that I just can't stand. So this leads me to

01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:09.739
my reactions to the only deaths that we get.

01:22:09.859 --> 01:22:16.560
Yeah. Which was, yay, Demogorgons. Hey, thanks.

01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:19.079
This is actually super helpful as long as, wait,

01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:22.140
no, you're going for Robin and Lucas and Will

01:22:22.140 --> 01:22:25.239
and my, oh, okay, no. Will's got power, so we're

01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:27.020
good. Oh, nice. Good job, Demogorgons. Wait,

01:22:27.220 --> 01:22:31.680
don't high five me. You'll slip me open. Yeah,

01:22:31.739 --> 01:22:35.090
I very much was like. We're in a bad situation.

01:22:35.329 --> 01:22:37.510
Oh, the Demogorgons are arriving. Well, I guess

01:22:37.510 --> 01:22:39.529
the military is finally going to realize what

01:22:39.529 --> 01:22:41.750
the heck is going on. Oh, wait, but none of them

01:22:41.750 --> 01:22:46.869
will be alive to see it. Dang it. I was really

01:22:46.869 --> 01:22:49.029
hoping it would provide enough distraction for

01:22:49.029 --> 01:22:51.789
them to get away, though. Yeah. But I get it.

01:22:52.010 --> 01:22:55.329
I get it, too. Plot needs to plot. You know,

01:22:55.350 --> 01:22:57.109
you don't always have to face down a horde of

01:22:57.109 --> 01:23:00.270
angry soldiers by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners.

01:23:00.270 --> 01:23:03.010
It's our Sansa is smarter than John category.

01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.939
What is the most important character moment?

01:23:07.619 --> 01:23:11.760
I have it as Holly accepting Max as Max and trusting

01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:14.199
her. I think this is going to have like huge

01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:18.560
consequences in volume two in the finale. And

01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:20.659
I've also captured this in a quote. Would you

01:23:20.659 --> 01:23:22.979
live read this with me, Sierra? I would love

01:23:22.979 --> 01:23:27.340
to. I have notated yours in purple. So this is

01:23:27.340 --> 01:23:29.960
Max. Would a monster know that your brother tried

01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.260
to get a mohawk until your sister stopped him,

01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:34.779
saving him from possibly the greatest social

01:23:34.779 --> 01:23:37.159
humiliation that a freshman has ever experienced

01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:40.239
at Hawkins High? What color was this mohawk?

01:23:40.779 --> 01:23:48.020
Hot orange. So good. Did you have one? I did

01:23:48.020 --> 01:23:51.800
not have a separate one. I found that there was

01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:56.770
a lot of more lead up. character moments for

01:23:56.770 --> 01:23:59.310
me so i didn't have too many that really stuck

01:23:59.310 --> 01:24:01.689
out so this one this one was one of my short

01:24:01.689 --> 01:24:05.310
list of possibilities because i do think that

01:24:05.310 --> 01:24:07.810
it's going to have lasting impact yeah throughout

01:24:07.810 --> 01:24:11.489
the next few episodes and none of the other things

01:24:11.489 --> 01:24:16.770
i think were as important in terms of like character

01:24:16.770 --> 01:24:20.850
development or uh plot reasons however i do think

01:24:20.850 --> 01:24:24.569
i want to give an honorable mention For, this

01:24:24.569 --> 01:24:27.210
isn't a specific, well, it is a specific moment.

01:24:27.310 --> 01:24:30.569
No, scratch all that. I have a contender. Okay.

01:24:30.930 --> 01:24:34.869
I have a contender for this. Mike pushing the

01:24:34.869 --> 01:24:38.170
kids behind him and facing down a Demogorgon.

01:24:38.270 --> 01:24:40.970
Okay. I'm glad that you talked about this because

01:24:40.970 --> 01:24:43.649
I was also very much on the edge of giving it

01:24:43.649 --> 01:24:47.789
to Mike for giving Holly the heroic to Holly.

01:24:48.189 --> 01:24:51.210
And putting all of this ideas in her head that

01:24:51.210 --> 01:24:53.890
she's a cleric, which is also both hugely important

01:24:53.890 --> 01:24:56.970
for story reasons. And also Mike hasn't had much.

01:24:56.989 --> 01:24:59.689
So yay, Mike, because he's been excellent the

01:24:59.689 --> 01:25:01.710
way that he treats Holly, the way that he treats

01:25:01.710 --> 01:25:04.529
everybody around him, the leadership skills that

01:25:04.529 --> 01:25:07.550
he shows. And then this moment here. Yes. Where

01:25:07.550 --> 01:25:10.369
like, and like that, it might be that one, Sierra,

01:25:10.489 --> 01:25:16.199
because it is a whole. shows worth of mike that

01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.659
has been on this podcast very much like who the

01:25:19.659 --> 01:25:24.720
heck's this dude what's going on and then finally

01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:28.260
he's dunking on us haters and going look i am

01:25:28.260 --> 01:25:31.220
capable of this so i'll give it to you let's

01:25:31.220 --> 01:25:34.439
do that let's do that it's mike standing in the

01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:37.319
way being the protector it's just him between

01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:40.539
the demogorgon i like it let's do it yep okay

01:25:40.539 --> 01:25:44.439
really so i know that Mike thought he was just

01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.319
about to lose a hand. But listen up. It's the

01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:52.640
I am your father category for most iconic character

01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:55.079
moment. Now I've got it. There's no question

01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:58.500
it's this. It's the moment Dustin and Steve are

01:25:58.500 --> 01:26:00.539
sitting in the car and they're arguing and bickering

01:26:00.539 --> 01:26:03.739
as per usual. Steve goes, it's a good thing we're

01:26:03.739 --> 01:26:06.989
not too conspicuous. And they both look up as

01:26:06.989 --> 01:26:11.170
the camera pans up to reveal this huge satellite

01:26:11.170 --> 01:26:15.170
dish bolted to their car. It's funny. It's good.

01:26:15.310 --> 01:26:17.609
It's excellent. And, Sierra, do you remember

01:26:17.609 --> 01:26:21.550
those old Disney movie sort of reels where they

01:26:21.550 --> 01:26:24.130
do highlights from a bunch of their famous movies

01:26:24.130 --> 01:26:26.529
on VHS right before you'd actually start a Disney

01:26:26.529 --> 01:26:29.949
movie? Yeah. If Netflix ever did that, this would

01:26:29.949 --> 01:26:31.649
be the thing from Stranger Things that made it.

01:26:31.869 --> 01:26:35.300
Oh my gosh. That would be so funny. And I'm so

01:26:35.300 --> 01:26:38.659
right. I think you're pretty right. Well, yes

01:26:38.659 --> 01:26:42.779
and no. I think if they went funny, yes. They

01:26:42.779 --> 01:26:45.100
have to. You have to on this. You can't do scary

01:26:45.100 --> 01:26:47.340
in case little kids are watching. No, it's not

01:26:47.340 --> 01:26:49.420
scary. You'd have Elle flipping the van. You

01:26:49.420 --> 01:26:52.859
just have the van flip. Oh, no, it's this. It's

01:26:52.859 --> 01:26:56.319
this. You might be right, but I'm going to stick

01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.739
to my guns. So I have a contender here. It's

01:26:59.739 --> 01:27:04.220
also Steve. Of course. It's him driving through

01:27:04.220 --> 01:27:07.939
the gate. Okay, both of these made it on the

01:27:07.939 --> 01:27:10.920
trailer. And both of them were exactly right

01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:15.560
for what they're trying to do. Yes. Okay, Sierra,

01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.279
I gave you the last one. Out of the goodness

01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:22.760
of your heart, please do the same. Fine, I will

01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:25.520
concede. Excellent, thank you. But now you need

01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:29.199
to sit down. Because it's time for I Am Iron

01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:33.859
Man. most iconic and most important scene category.

01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:36.220
There can only be one. I don't think there's

01:27:36.220 --> 01:27:38.659
any other answer. It's Will Vecna, the Demogorgon,

01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:42.920
saving Robin, probably Murray, Lucas, and Mike.

01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:45.619
That's three characters in one sitting in...

01:27:45.619 --> 01:27:48.220
Oh my gosh, he's got powers. Oh my gosh, he's

01:27:48.220 --> 01:27:50.319
raising up into the air. Oh my gosh, he's got

01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:52.760
Vecna's exact powers. Like, what? Come on. Yep.

01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.899
It has to be that. A little side question for

01:27:56.899 --> 01:27:59.949
you. Did you think he was going to have to choose

01:27:59.949 --> 01:28:03.989
two? No. I was dead convinced. Because. I was

01:28:03.989 --> 01:28:06.010
absolutely convinced that he was going to either

01:28:06.010 --> 01:28:09.050
have to choose one or two to save. That he couldn't

01:28:09.050 --> 01:28:11.829
save all three. And he was going to have to pick.

01:28:11.989 --> 01:28:15.710
And I was sitting there going, who is he going

01:28:15.710 --> 01:28:18.729
to pick? Right. Oh my gosh. Obviously Mike. Mike.

01:28:18.729 --> 01:28:21.810
Mike is safe. He has to pick Mike. So are Robin

01:28:21.810 --> 01:28:23.989
and Lucas both dead? Robin's dead. I don't know.

01:28:24.569 --> 01:28:29.079
But then. It's Robin who's the voice in his head

01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:31.859
in these moments. It's Robin's voice going through.

01:28:31.859 --> 01:28:33.539
But come on, he's been friends with Lucas and

01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:37.779
Mike for forever. There was two things that made

01:28:37.779 --> 01:28:39.319
me realize he wasn't going to have to choose.

01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:42.579
One is they did Mike and Lucas. So because of

01:28:42.579 --> 01:28:46.500
that weight issue where it's like best friends

01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:50.020
forever and Robin, who's been recently very important

01:28:50.020 --> 01:28:52.640
to me, I just felt like the show wasn't going

01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:55.369
to set it up in that way. Also, the real reason

01:28:55.369 --> 01:28:58.109
why I didn't think so is because we've been making

01:28:58.109 --> 01:28:59.890
all of these jokes about one hand, two hands,

01:28:59.989 --> 01:29:02.350
all four limbs. And I was like, he's got a head.

01:29:02.510 --> 01:29:08.390
And then he uses the head. This is very true.

01:29:08.569 --> 01:29:12.109
And I said that in jest, but then it happened.

01:29:12.829 --> 01:29:16.729
Yeah. Because I thought, yeah, I was 100 % convinced

01:29:16.729 --> 01:29:19.880
he was going to have to pick one. And so I was

01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:21.760
like, okay, well, he'll save Mike. But then he

01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:25.460
only used one hand to save Mike. So then I was

01:29:25.460 --> 01:29:27.239
like, well, now he's got another hand and he

01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.699
can pick somebody else. Who is he going to pick?

01:29:29.859 --> 01:29:33.720
But then he picked all three. He chose secret

01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:40.359
option number C. The head option. Keep your horses

01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.239
safe. It's the I'm going to make them enough

01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:46.960
where we can't refuse category for best lines.

01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:52.140
I'm nuts. I'm nuts. But I'm not that nuts. Spoiler

01:29:52.140 --> 01:29:54.859
alert, he was indeed that nuts. Who said this?

01:29:55.460 --> 01:29:59.079
Hopper. And Joyce is sending him down to do the

01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.979
crawl. And she's saying, you know, don't try

01:30:01.979 --> 01:30:05.739
to take on Vecna. Don't do anything. Come back

01:30:05.739 --> 01:30:08.220
in one piece. And he's like, oh, I'm not going

01:30:08.220 --> 01:30:10.560
to do that. And she's like, mm -hmm, sure you're

01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:12.600
not. He's like, I'm nuts. I'm nuts. But I'm not

01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.079
that nuts. Well, cut to Hopper. revealing the

01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:21.180
bomb strapped to his chest. He was indeed that

01:30:21.180 --> 01:30:24.220
nuts. Also, like, not sure that that would work

01:30:24.220 --> 01:30:27.819
either, if we're all honest, but... I don't know,

01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.079
if he hugs him? Yeah, but... Tackles him to the

01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:32.760
ground? Do you remember how many times they put

01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:35.640
people led with a shawed -off shotgun and three

01:30:35.640 --> 01:30:39.279
vodka Molotov cocktails? Whatever, it's fine.

01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:42.899
Okay, I've got some. I've got more than you this

01:30:42.899 --> 01:30:46.010
time, which is a big deal. Because I always lose

01:30:46.010 --> 01:30:49.689
on figuring out which lines I like best. So there's

01:30:49.689 --> 01:30:52.250
Max, which is after the end of the live read

01:30:52.250 --> 01:30:54.649
that we did together to Holly. She says, and

01:30:54.649 --> 01:30:57.569
personally, I think the use of hot is a bit ironic,

01:30:57.750 --> 01:31:00.810
but people say I'm too negative. I just think

01:31:00.810 --> 01:31:06.649
I'm honest. So good. Going back to the moment

01:31:06.649 --> 01:31:10.810
we talked about with Stephen and Dustin. Good

01:31:10.810 --> 01:31:12.670
thing we're not too conspicuous. And then they

01:31:12.670 --> 01:31:16.699
look up at the satellite. So good. Another Steve

01:31:16.699 --> 01:31:19.460
line. Gates. The gates are kind of like peanut

01:31:19.460 --> 01:31:22.260
butter boppers, right? What? The outside is like

01:31:22.260 --> 01:31:24.039
crunchy and tough, but then you bite down on

01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:26.260
it and it gives way to a gooey, creamy core.

01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:32.140
Thank you, Steve. Excellent. And then after that,

01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:34.140
it's Dustin going, it's not going to work. It's

01:31:34.140 --> 01:31:38.159
not going to work. It's not a bopper. Stop. It's

01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:40.979
not a bopper. I was just made my wife and I crack

01:31:40.979 --> 01:31:46.220
up so much. So notably, I will for our first

01:31:46.220 --> 01:31:49.079
time talk about the lack of a line, which is

01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:53.779
just in the Stranger Things trailer. They have

01:31:53.779 --> 01:31:55.439
this Vecna line where it says, you're going to

01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:58.659
help me one last time. And I went back and I

01:31:58.659 --> 01:32:02.520
rewatched Will meets Vecna. That line is not

01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:04.859
said during that entire discourse. So either

01:32:04.859 --> 01:32:07.720
it was removed or what I think is more likely

01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.520
it is being said by Vecna to somebody else. I

01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:13.680
think. in this particular moment to the Mind

01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.619
Flayer, but who knows. I just realized I have

01:32:16.619 --> 01:32:19.819
another question. Okay, go for it. And now I'm

01:32:19.819 --> 01:32:24.079
angry about it. Why does Vecna just let Will

01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:28.880
live? This is the biggest plot armor moment that

01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.000
the show has ever had, in my opinion. He walks

01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:33.840
away from Will with Will alive. He doesn't think

01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:37.840
he's a threat. That's the answer. Secondly, why

01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:42.359
does he leave Joyce alive? He throws Joyce. Yeah.

01:32:42.460 --> 01:32:46.100
But he is in the middle of killing a bunch of

01:32:46.100 --> 01:32:49.359
people. Right. And instead of killing her, and

01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:52.000
she's like approaching him and yelling at him

01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:54.119
and threatening and he just tosses her aside.

01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.159
Yeah. The other people aren't a threat to him

01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:00.619
either. She is not a threat to him. He's fine.

01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:03.140
He's getting shot at up the wazoo and he's fine.

01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:07.539
I wonder if it's because he's still healing.

01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:10.260
Like he's still vulnerable. And so he only has

01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:11.760
a certain amount of time that he feels comfortable

01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:14.279
being out there. I think really it's plot armor.

01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:18.199
And the fact that he is, first of all, he throws

01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:20.180
her to the side. He doesn't really care about

01:33:20.180 --> 01:33:22.720
her. So I think that there's just a certain disregard

01:33:22.720 --> 01:33:26.079
about her. So he does do damage. It's just like

01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.380
not as much damage as one would think. She's

01:33:28.380 --> 01:33:31.840
like 46 and five foot three. So she should, maybe

01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:33.239
she should die. Maybe it's what he's thinking.

01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.119
But Will is specifically like. Voldemort would

01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:38.260
have had a cadaver that hairy right then and

01:33:38.260 --> 01:33:41.680
there. There's nothing helping him. What is happening?

01:33:41.859 --> 01:33:44.359
So I don't know. Maybe it's just that he's like,

01:33:44.420 --> 01:33:49.739
William, not a threat. But who knows? Also, on

01:33:49.739 --> 01:33:52.260
the, sorry, my last thing on the Joyce thing

01:33:52.260 --> 01:33:57.489
is I did think she was going to die then. That

01:33:57.489 --> 01:34:00.210
was her moment. She's defending her boy. And

01:34:00.210 --> 01:34:02.250
she's been kind of benched and he's now in the

01:34:02.250 --> 01:34:04.689
field. And her only purpose for this whole season

01:34:04.689 --> 01:34:06.829
has been that she's been helicoptering mom him

01:34:06.829 --> 01:34:10.350
away from everything. Yeah. And I don't really

01:34:10.350 --> 01:34:11.310
know what they're going to do with character.

01:34:11.449 --> 01:34:13.989
I'm excited to see it because I love Joyce and

01:34:13.989 --> 01:34:16.729
I love Winona Ryder, but we'll see. But I thought

01:34:16.729 --> 01:34:21.069
so too. Don't stop that card deck. Get ready

01:34:21.069 --> 01:34:23.399
to shuffle. It's our Joker category. For who

01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:26.199
on earth are we going to pick for MVP of these

01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:31.680
four episodes? Robin Will? Robin Will? Honorable

01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.439
mention. Okay, pound for pound, the Wheeler parents.

01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:38.060
Honorable mention to Mike, just because he's

01:34:38.060 --> 01:34:40.180
been great, and I feel like we've done so much

01:34:40.180 --> 01:34:42.000
Mike hatred that he deserves an honorable mention

01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:46.840
here. Honorable mention to Holly, as well, just

01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:51.479
for not losing her mind in all of this. LVP for

01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:53.779
Jonathan specifically, but also kind of Joyce,

01:34:53.859 --> 01:34:55.579
but more Jonathan. Because what has he really

01:34:55.579 --> 01:34:59.659
done other than be hurt about Steve and not go

01:34:59.659 --> 01:35:01.979
out of his way to be exactly what Nancy needs

01:35:01.979 --> 01:35:04.800
and who he is instead of just competing against

01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:09.479
Steve's game? Yeah. He's just been like part

01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.800
of the plan. That's it. There's never been a

01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:14.539
real Jonathan moment. Maybe this is the big thing.

01:35:14.539 --> 01:35:19.439
He took over for Dustin. And did an okay job

01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:24.659
about it. Great. Fantastic. I will say, the fact

01:35:24.659 --> 01:35:26.779
that these two are benched make me really worried

01:35:26.779 --> 01:35:29.800
for Will in the second half, because... Yeah.

01:35:30.250 --> 01:35:32.010
Kind of like when the crawl was like, here's

01:35:32.010 --> 01:35:33.869
how the crawl goes. And it's like, okay, so that

01:35:33.869 --> 01:35:35.449
means it's going to go poorly because you're

01:35:35.449 --> 01:35:38.210
spending so much time telling us beforehand how

01:35:38.210 --> 01:35:40.869
it goes right instead of showing us. So therefore,

01:35:41.050 --> 01:35:42.649
it's going to have to go wrong. And we need to

01:35:42.649 --> 01:35:44.489
know right now what's going on right. And I kind

01:35:44.489 --> 01:35:46.010
of feel it's the same sort of energy for the

01:35:46.010 --> 01:35:49.369
buyers where it's like, and Will was benched

01:35:49.369 --> 01:35:51.850
all last season because he's so important this

01:35:51.850 --> 01:35:53.649
season. And it's like, Jonathan and Joyce are

01:35:53.649 --> 01:35:55.989
kind of benched this season so that their part

01:35:55.989 --> 01:36:00.810
is coming. Yeah. Yikes. Who do you want for MVP?

01:36:01.489 --> 01:36:05.289
Honestly, we've never done a split MVP. I think

01:36:05.289 --> 01:36:09.369
we have to, though. This is like a 2008 NBA All

01:36:09.369 --> 01:36:11.529
-Star game when they split between Kobe and Shaq

01:36:11.529 --> 01:36:12.770
because they didn't want to pick. And I just

01:36:12.770 --> 01:36:15.090
hate it. I'm going to make a case. Okay, then

01:36:15.090 --> 01:36:18.409
here it is. Here it is. Okay. It's Will. Okay,

01:36:18.470 --> 01:36:20.789
I was just going to say it's Robin. Go for it.

01:36:20.789 --> 01:36:23.289
Go for it. Make your Will case. So I think it's

01:36:23.289 --> 01:36:26.130
Will because Robin and Will are kind of, you

01:36:26.130 --> 01:36:29.090
know, the dream team for a little while. They

01:36:29.090 --> 01:36:33.899
have... The plan of figuring out what's going

01:36:33.899 --> 01:36:37.739
on with what Will is seeing, and they go to the

01:36:37.739 --> 01:36:42.819
school, and they find out where he was, what

01:36:42.819 --> 01:36:46.460
his vision was of, and that it was Holly he was

01:36:46.460 --> 01:36:49.699
seeing through the eyes of. They figure out who

01:36:49.699 --> 01:36:54.699
the next victim is going to be, and then... They

01:36:54.699 --> 01:36:56.840
have some really great moments where they're

01:36:56.840 --> 01:36:59.619
being slightly more open with each other. And

01:36:59.619 --> 01:37:02.939
Will is more comfortable asking questions of

01:37:02.939 --> 01:37:06.600
Robin about relationships and how do you know

01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:10.800
and how do you know what's right. And Robin picks

01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:15.899
up on some hints from Will about Mike and then

01:37:15.899 --> 01:37:19.500
is able to then give him the speech, which he

01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:24.420
then. listens to, internalizes, and then acts

01:37:24.420 --> 01:37:27.600
upon. So I think it's very, very close for Robin,

01:37:27.739 --> 01:37:31.899
but then it turns into Will taking her advice

01:37:31.899 --> 01:37:34.619
and then acting upon it. And I think that that's

01:37:34.619 --> 01:37:37.060
what gives him the edge, is that he does the

01:37:37.060 --> 01:37:41.539
actionable thing, which impacts the story in

01:37:41.539 --> 01:37:45.100
the end. She sets him up for it, but he then

01:37:45.100 --> 01:37:48.090
follows through. I could be totally convinced

01:37:48.090 --> 01:37:50.250
of this, and I don't really see a reason why

01:37:50.250 --> 01:37:53.189
you're wrong. The argument for Robin, I think,

01:37:53.229 --> 01:37:55.890
which you've touched upon, is like, okay, so

01:37:55.890 --> 01:38:00.310
Robin is the person that gives Will the ability

01:38:00.310 --> 01:38:04.310
to fully realize his powers. Without Robin, we

01:38:04.310 --> 01:38:08.890
do not get those powers. And if Robin was a smaller

01:38:08.890 --> 01:38:10.649
character, I would say pound for pound, it's

01:38:10.649 --> 01:38:12.869
Robin. Because of that huge moment. It's very

01:38:12.869 --> 01:38:15.449
Dr. Clark -y in season one, where it's like...

01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:18.079
Dr. Clark just gave all this extremely important

01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.579
information that now Dustin gives us in the next

01:38:20.579 --> 01:38:24.579
couple of seasons instead of Mr. Clark. I will

01:38:24.579 --> 01:38:28.380
say, the whole other side of Robin is that Robin

01:38:28.380 --> 01:38:30.600
has been entertaining and keeping the spirits

01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:34.819
up for 500 days before this. Robin has been working

01:38:34.819 --> 01:38:39.760
as the disc jockey for Hawkins. She's a local

01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:41.439
celebrity at this point. She's rocking Robin.

01:38:43.449 --> 01:38:45.529
Like, is so concerned. And she's like, turn on

01:38:45.529 --> 01:38:47.329
the radio, we gotta listen, it's started already.

01:38:47.930 --> 01:38:49.869
She's just so excited for any of that. And so

01:38:49.869 --> 01:38:52.489
there's this very intentional community work

01:38:52.489 --> 01:38:54.829
that Robin has been doing this whole time, which

01:38:54.829 --> 01:38:57.489
I don't want to go unnoticed. And so that's why

01:38:57.489 --> 01:39:00.090
I think Robin, ultimately, it's, first of all,

01:39:00.109 --> 01:39:04.189
without her, Will doesn't do anything. Including

01:39:04.189 --> 01:39:07.909
save Robin's life. And if I was arguing that

01:39:07.909 --> 01:39:09.390
it was Will instead of Robin, I'd be like, okay,

01:39:09.489 --> 01:39:11.250
we just, we don't have any more Robin without

01:39:11.250 --> 01:39:14.039
Will. But also if Robin had died, I'd be like,

01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:15.739
this is the last opportunity to give it to Robin.

01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:20.340
So it's got to be Robin. So I, I'm leaning a

01:39:20.340 --> 01:39:22.359
bit towards Robin because of all this good community

01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:24.720
work that she's doing. Also, like she sacrificed

01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:27.020
her date a bunch of time and she's probably going

01:39:27.020 --> 01:39:29.180
to die now because she has a date at Enzo's,

01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:33.279
which you just should never do. Yeah, this is

01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:35.920
very true. She's supposed to have a date at Enzo's,

01:39:36.020 --> 01:39:38.199
which is just, as soon as she said that, I just

01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:41.989
went, eh, she's not making that date. Yeah. Never.

01:39:42.130 --> 01:39:45.590
I still think it's Will, though. Okay, we'll

01:39:45.590 --> 01:39:48.550
give it to Will. But I mark my words, if Will

01:39:48.550 --> 01:39:52.489
gets it the next episode and Robin dies... We'll

01:39:52.489 --> 01:39:58.970
retcon. We'll retcon. Deal. Clean your evil air

01:39:58.970 --> 01:40:03.670
and get ready for our I was the turkey all along

01:40:03.670 --> 01:40:07.399
category. What is the biggest takeaway viewers

01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:10.699
should leave with in preparation for volume two

01:40:10.699 --> 01:40:14.380
of Stranger Things season five? First and foremost,

01:40:14.819 --> 01:40:18.619
Will has powers, especially when he's connected,

01:40:18.779 --> 01:40:21.340
so connected to the hive mind. So the closer

01:40:21.340 --> 01:40:24.539
he gets to Vecna, the more his powers become.

01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:28.420
We'll see if that continues with him fully realizing

01:40:28.420 --> 01:40:30.619
his powers, or if now that he's fully realized

01:40:30.619 --> 01:40:32.640
them, he just kind of gets to do whatever he

01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:36.050
wants. Number two, Vecna wants children. Specifically

01:40:36.050 --> 01:40:39.569
for the Mind Flayer's weird gate opening, whatever's

01:40:39.569 --> 01:40:41.869
happening there plan. But it's because of how

01:40:41.869 --> 01:40:46.789
Will broke, in air quotes, so easily when he

01:40:46.789 --> 01:40:50.609
was taken back four years ago. And lastly, Vecna.

01:40:50.949 --> 01:40:53.529
Super afraid of the cave. Because that's where

01:40:53.529 --> 01:40:59.050
he met the Mind Flayer. Today's public service

01:40:59.050 --> 01:41:02.090
announcement. Never go in caves. They're full

01:41:02.090 --> 01:41:04.930
of evil and things that make you evil. Provided

01:41:04.930 --> 01:41:08.369
by the state of Nevada. Excellent read. I really

01:41:08.369 --> 01:41:10.729
liked it. Thank you for knowing exactly what

01:41:10.729 --> 01:41:15.729
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01:42:20.739 --> 01:42:23.840
Harry being the snake is very much Will being

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:28.819
the Demodorgan. Great Scott and Flux Capatitor.

01:42:28.939 --> 01:42:34.100
Flux Capatitor. There's the. I do. I was very.

01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:37.840
Okay. Sorry. I'm so overwhelmed with like all

01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:39.579
my thoughts. They're just jumbling. I know. I

01:42:39.579 --> 01:42:42.840
same. And also the 28th anniversary of the Knight

01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:48.609
Henry Queel. Queel. And 28th and the... Again,

01:42:48.909 --> 01:42:53.010
once run by Bob Newdy. I can do B's, I promise.

01:42:54.710 --> 01:43:02.149
It's potentially just really bringing... I think

01:43:02.149 --> 01:43:04.569
that potentially it's... I say potentially a

01:43:04.569 --> 01:43:06.390
lot in this episode. Everything's potential.

01:43:06.930 --> 01:43:10.430
I mean, yeah. I just need a new word. I need

01:43:10.430 --> 01:43:18.090
a thesaurus. There are... sorry sorry to interrupt

01:43:18.090 --> 01:43:24.609
you i just i just the sorest potentially and

01:43:24.609 --> 01:43:30.109
just pasted 35 different words in the talk oh

01:43:30.109 --> 01:43:33.810
my gosh you did do 35 you did i only saw like

01:43:33.810 --> 01:43:36.890
the first five but then i looked over at you

01:43:36.890 --> 01:43:43.380
and you just had this like ah I did a thing.

01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:50.420
I did funny, yes? Keep your horses safe. I'm

01:43:50.420 --> 01:43:56.060
gonna... Oh my god. Man, you came in with the

01:43:56.060 --> 01:43:59.619
lowest energy I've ever heard of. Keep your horses

01:43:59.619 --> 01:44:03.979
safe. It's the I'm gonna make him an offer he's

01:44:03.979 --> 01:44:08.409
going to bed with. See, I'm going to make him

01:44:08.409 --> 01:44:12.229
some tea he can fall asleep to. I'm going to

01:44:12.229 --> 01:44:20.270
tuck him in with a little pillow. What just happened?

01:44:21.829 --> 01:44:25.930
You know how I opened up a thesaurus? Yeah. It

01:44:25.930 --> 01:44:29.590
took this long to play its automatic ad. And

01:44:29.590 --> 01:44:34.409
so this old school alarm bell and some 80s hip

01:44:34.409 --> 01:44:37.539
hop just came on. I was like, can I kick? I'm

01:44:37.539 --> 01:44:43.600
like, where is this coming from? I haven't opened

01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:47.979
up any new pages. I closed out Clone Wars. Anyways,

01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:49.140
I'm so sorry.