But, said Sam, and tears started in his eyes,
I thought you were going to enjoy the Shire,
too, for years and years, after all you have
done. So I thought, too, once. But I have been
too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire,
and it has been saved, but not for me. It must
often be so, Sam, when things are in danger.
Someone has to give them up, lose them, so that
others may keep them. From Eternity King, by
J .R .R. Tolkien. Welcome to Fandom Shmandom.
the fandom podcast that covers everything you
love and more. I'm Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam
Williams. Today's episode, we will be condescendingly
conniving about Stranger Things Season 5, Episodes
1 through 4. So a spoiler warning for you all.
We will be talking about everything to do with
Stranger Things. That includes all previous seasons,
the play, and the first. Four episodes of season
five. Keep your finger on the pause button and
rewind that tape. It's the prestige category.
What did we notice through our first watch through?
Okay, so we're going to separate this into four
categories, essentially. Biggest reactions, what
we got right, what we got wrong, and biggest
questions. Biggest reactions, episode one. Sierra,
take it away. Yes! Yes, Vecna took Will. Confirmed.
Not physically, but on his orders. It's the same.
Yes, it's the same. End result, same thing. Vecna
wanted Will. He took him. Confirmed. Immediately.
The excitement that I had was palpable. It's
a great first four or five minutes. It's awesome.
Will is a little bit, like, superhero -esque
at the beginning. The way that he's, like, jumping
from trees and everything. I wonder if that backpack
will be found. It, like, ostensibly is still
up in the tree. Yeah, potentially. That could
be an interesting little tidbit for sure. All
right, and the next thing. I told you that Holly
is important. I told you all, all of you. I said
it and I said it again. You would know. Exactly.
I said it and I said it again. And then I said
it a third time. She's going to be important.
There's something going on with her. Yes. So
we'll, we'll go over a lot of this, but essentially
Holly has an imaginary friend named Mr. What's
it. Also, Holly is possessed by Vecna. We know
this because Will sees through her eyes as she's
spinning round and round and round. And then
she's targeted by Vecna, taken by Vecna, and
is in some really quite lovely place that's the
upside down, but then her mind is in this other
world. We'll get to that, too. I have honorable
mentions for other biggest reactions, since those
are definitely the two. Honorable mention to
Jake the Snake. Cue the Obermark. Dun dun dun.
I mentioned Jake the Snake because, first of
all, there was a visceral reaction to Dustin
being so, like, desolate and depressed. And everyone
has a right to go through all of their emotions.
But, like, from a show standpoint, I'm like,
oh my gosh, Dusty, what has happened to you?
Who hurt you? Oh, no, I know who hurt you. Demobats
hurt you. But it's just a... It's a really hard
watch for me to see Dustin go through all of
this and to have Mike and company like talking
behind his back and trying to cover it up when
he comes over. And I get all their points, but
I'm definitely team Dustin here while he's trying
to protect Eddie's legacy and and always push
for what's right. So I that whole scene with
first of all, I will say Dustin, leave the snake.
You don't need to get the snake involved. Like
this is kind of on you. Like it is on them for
killing him, but like you got the snake involved
without its consent. Just leave it there. It
wasn't doing anything. Yeah. But then to have
it beheaded and used its blood to write something
disparaging about Eddie is really awful. So horrible.
Yeah. Go for it. No, keep going. Sorry. I just,
I got another visceral reaction while thinking
about it. It just. It makes for great audio content,
my, like, shudder. Yeah, very much so. An honorable
mention to Rockin' Robin and Steve with the rubber
chicken. What a great job for Robin. What an
awesome job she's doing. What a great job Steve
is doing as her, like, disc jockey assistant.
I think this is a fabulous little storyline,
and I was here for it from the start. Yeah, it's
definitely very fun. Brings levity into the more
dire situations that we're in throughout the
rest of all of the episodes. We get a little
bit of a moment of, oh, right, we can have fun
here. Can we? I guess. One more honorable mention.
Just the crawl, the fact that they've been doing
these. Oh, so cool. So dope. Very video game
-esque, too, especially with the back and forth
between Mike, suddenly cool character, and Nancy,
always been a cool character, as they give the
lowdown of what they're doing in their two different
spots. They've really got this system down very
well. It's just been really cool to see all of
the things that they've been doing in between
seasons four and five. really just like such
a neat experience sitting through all of that
and going oh this is what they've been doing
here's how they do it what ingenious people these
guys are with all the different roles that each
character has it's everybody's involved everybody's
vital to getting the crawl off the ground and
being able to have it work successfully and they
really i mean have figured out a system. Everybody
has their place. Everybody knows exactly what
their marching orders are. And just the way that
they all rely on each other as well is really
great. Nobody is really taking an in -charge
position just in terms of pulling rank on anybody.
I'm older or something like that. The only time
that we see this is just Hopper not wanting L
to go with him. Totally. Which... is understandable
and also for different reasons then he doesn't
think that she's capable right yeah absolutely
from episode two ted wheeler my goodness and
is that molly weasley soundtrack i mean wait
no it's it's still karen wheeler uh yeah it's
it's karen wheeler first of all Very bummed that
we cut the adults we don't care about from our
season five prediction section, because I did
have both Wheeler parents on there. So these
two characters are like almost willfully ignorant
at this point, choosing not to see what's going
on. They're certainly obtuse when it comes to
the upside down stuff and just like have no understanding
as to where their kids are at any point. Demogorgon
comes to claim Holly for Vecna. Ted. No question.
Doesn't try and run. Immediately starts attacking
it with the golf club. Doesn't do very much damage,
but good for Ted. Karen, on the other hand, gets
like nine licks in with her wine bottle before
she is slashed, which is super dope. So this
is like back in, gosh, was it season? Two or
season three. Season three. Because that's where
Nancy's dealing with the awful journalist people.
Exactly. When she's, you know, giving Nancy this
whole speech about how you have to be strong
and you have to still stand up for yourself.
And where did I get my strength from? I got it
from you. And we were kind of questioning. Yeah,
Nancy says that about her mom, right? Nancy says
that about Karen. I got my strength from you.
Because Karen's like, I don't even know where
you get your strength from. And Nancy's like,
I got it from you. We're like, show me the receipts.
Apparently we just needed to wait a little bit
longer because here are the receipts. Nancy has
future sight. The whole other opportunity of
characters is now out there. Yeah. Yeah. It turns
out she does get it from Karen Wheeler. Good.
Very, very good. I will say it kind of feels
cheap to have one in a coma and one in critical
but stable condition in terms of the parents.
What do you mean by that? Well, the parents.
Oh. Karen is awake and in stable condition, and
Ted is in a coma. And I'm like, did the Demogorgon
not eviscerate both of them? How is it that no
death has happened? Oh, to not have them dead,
for sure. I definitely agree. At least I know
that we need one of them alive to be able to
say something about Holly. But the fact that...
neither of them are dead is absolutely wild maybe
maybe the duffel brothers don't want to give
nancy and mike like sort of additional we need
to kill these people energy so that they're not
focusing entirely too much on revenge for parents
but both things being fine gives a little bit
of a reprieve for those two characters i just
like with the lack of death that has occurred
in these four episodes it's a little bit difficult
for me to get behind I can see them not wanting
to kind of go down the Disney main character.
Yeah. Always an orphan or something like that.
I can see why they don't want that as a kind
of a forward backstory of Nancy and Mike. But
at the same time, it does seem unrealistic, especially
based on what we've seen Demogorgons do and people.
Dying from less from a death organ. It feels
a bit Star Wars -y in that case where it's like
Qui -Gon died from being stabbed in the gut.
What is happening to all of these other gut -stabbed
people that are living? Qui -Gon gets stabbed
in the gut. Darth Maul gets cut in half. Still
alive. Still alive. Anyways. Okay. First of all.
With these two characters and all of that stuff
that's going on. And just, especially this, like,
get away from my daughter sort of moment that
Karen Wheeler has with, that's just such an allusion
to Molly Weasley's moment of protecting Ginny
from Bellatrix in book seven. Either the Duffer
brothers have gone, like, gloves off with nerd
references and just decided we're no longer in
just the 80s and 70s. We're doing everything
that we've ever loved that's giant nerddom. Or...
Because we're in the late 80s, I'm starting to
pick up stuff because this late 80s fandom was
still very much around by the time that we were
like three, four, five years old. But there's
some really big references to other franchises.
So, A Wrinkle in Time, we will cover much later.
Superman references, right? Red shorts for L
and constant references to Kryptonite. And then
I was like, does that mean everyone could be
sorted into the Justice League? And I was like,
okay, Will is the Martian Manhunter. And Dustin
is Batman. And Steve is Robin. And Robin is Oracle.
And Nancy is Wonder Woman because she gets to
the truth. And Lucas is Green Arrow because of
shooty things. And Mike. And then I couldn't
place Mike anywhere. And I was like, this is
stupid. I should stop doing this. You got pretty
far. I did. I did get pretty far. And then we
ran into Mike and I was like, okay. Harry Potter
is a giant, giantly referenced in all of this
season. So there's the Mrs. Weasley, not my daughter,
you bitch moment. And then, interestingly enough,
I did some questioning on Reddit. And a Redditor
pointed out to me that both of these moments
of get away from my daughter and not my daughter,
you bitch, are probably references to Alien,
where the line is get away from her, you bitch.
Right. Holly and Mr. What's -It is fairy -coded
in Ginny and her old friend Tom Riddle, a .k
.a. Voldemort. My good friend Tom. My old friend
Tom. That's from Binge Mode, which is a podcast
that Sierra and I love. Just to cite it. Will
and Vecna's relationship, very coded in the Harry
-Voldemort relationship. Speaking of that, Harry
being the snake is very much Will being the Demogorgon.
Goosebumps on the back of the neck is very much
the scar. I reached out on Reddit where a bunch
of different Redditors said back to me that Steve
sort of driving the car into the column with
a closing portal is very like nine and three
quarters coded. The buyers and the wheelers waking
up and having breakfast is very much like feel
like Harry in the borough. But then this one
I think really sticks. It's it's Hopper. He says
always just that line. Two L. And that was like,
oh my gosh, it's Snape. This is Severus Snape.
What is happening? So that's the Harry Potter
stuff. Of course, there's the great Scott and
Flux capacitor stuff from Robin to Joyce. D &D
obviously referenced quite a bit. Dustin's speech
before he uses turpentine to attack the basketball
boroughs is like actual D &D stuff that literally
happens in the game. And there's just a fun note
here. Lucas. goes and says, this is very Mission
Impossible. And I'm sure a bunch of people were
like, that's wrong. Mission Impossible doesn't
come out until 1996, not 86. But there was a
1966 show that ran for seven seasons called Mission
Colon Impossible. So everybody just chill out.
Lucas has just watched some good TV. Moving on
to episode three, you and I had the same thing,
which is? Yes. Max? She's back. Yes. So good.
So, Nax is back. Kind of. But she's back. And
I kind of love it more than if she woke up. Yeah.
Because this is fascinating. Fascinating. We
get to see inside of Vecna's mind. In a way that
we haven't seen before. In his memories. Which
he's always digging around in other people's
memories. So it's about time that someone started
digging around in his memories. Yeah. Just saying.
And Max has found a whole bunch of stuff. There
was so much information dropped when she's doing
her little rundown for Holly. And it's amazing.
It's so good. And it's really great. It's so
good. It's so exciting. It's really good. It's
really, really good. And she's even more of like
Mad Max than she was before. Yeah. Which is fantastic.
Part of me is like, where did you get these different
clothes? But I don't really care. I'm just glad
that Max is back, has returned, is in like this
very guiding sort of mentor scenario where she's
thinking things through. And it was really cool
to have that connection point with Holly. I will
say, I feel very proud of myself. I clocked it
instantly. As soon as we were in that world,
I bet. I said to my wife, Holly's going to meet
Max in here. And then when we saw that torn patched
jean, I went, that's Max. Yeah. Yeah. It was
great. That's when I got it. But I did not clock
it beforehand. I'm very proud of myself. I didn't
think they were going to end up being in the
same place. I figured that they were dealing
with the same thing. Yeah. But I didn't know
it was going to be one location where they could
reach each other. I thought it was going to be
more of like a gin situation where they're. Each
in their own individual happy places and memories
and things. But I did not think that they were
going to merge together. So it's very exciting.
Very exciting. Very glad she's here. And I do
think, I was actually just thinking, the way
that Max sits down and kind of explains things
to Holly really brought me back to the end of
season four when they're prepping for the plan.
Yeah. And she's sitting with Nancy. And Nancy
is kind of explaining things and is the older
sister version. Yeah, very much so. And kind
of just discussing with her. And we don't really
get Nancy and Max before this. And so now it's
this kind of really nice moment. And now we're
getting this. Max is almost taking on the Nancy
role for Holly. And I really liked that parallel.
Very much so. Episode four. All right. The whole
bad side of the military, as we've been dubbing
them here, they are suffering from the same thing
that Jason suffered from last season, which is
way too much confidence and not enough intelligence.
What do we call it? The Don and Kruger effect,
right? Yes. Yeah. And it bothers me so much every
time they're going. Well, L is clearly doing
this. What? What? What indeed? There couldn't
possibly be any other explanation. No. No, no.
Oh, no. There's only one person with powers out
there. Clearly. We don't have another one stashed
away over here. Do not look behind the curtain.
It's stupid. It's really stupid. And part of
me is wondering if Dr. K is actually going to
be on L's side. The monologue that she has with
L while L is incapacitated made me go, there's
just enough room here for Dr. K to be like, all
right, so how do we defeat Henry? We'll see.
Clearly everybody else is not on her side, but
I'm still kind of holding onto this idea that.
Dr. K might actually be a little bit more Sam
Owen's Bob Newby help on the outside. I am not
convinced. Fair. I think she's just another Brenner,
and she is just going to use who she wants for
whatever she wants to use them for. She's going
to be using us nefariously. Oh, yeah. So I do
not put it past her to do the same thing again.
Yeah. And she's even using the... tentacles or
the vines or whatever for her own yeah and she
was referring to it as an like a singular entity
right like it as a creature detects you as a
threat and it is this creature and things like
that which i found very interesting totally speaking
of eight honorable mention to there uh yeah eight
being behind the kryptonite cell i will say as
soon as I was like, I can't go back there. There's
kryptonite. My wife went eight behind there and
I went, dang it. That's oh, you're so right.
Yeah, but she clocked it just before I did. So
I'll bow down to my wife there. I clocked it.
Yeah, I also clocked it right when at that moment,
too. And then I immediately texted and was like.
We find out who it is in this episode, right?
You did. Because you finished it just before
I did. You're like, yes, yes, you do. I'm like,
okay, good. Yeah, Aurelia watched it before either
of us. And then you and I finally got there.
Oh, my gosh! I will say my biggest moment in
this episode is Demogorgons lifting up into the
air. As soon as they lifted up into the air,
I went out. I said out loud. oh my gosh, he literally
is Vecna. He's going to Vecna these Demogorgons.
And my wife's like, oh, oh, you're, and then
he did it. And it was just like, oh, okay. So
he clearly is, he literally is the eye of Vecna,
which takes on Vecna's abilities. You know, they
did that whole thing where Will is first seeing
the Demogorgon through the eyes of the Demogorgon
and they go literally through his eye and it's
like, okay, he's the eye of Vecna. We know this
is coming now. It's essentially all but been
confirmed. And he has the same powers. I will
note here, much less gross when it's the demos
who get arm, arm, leg, leg, eyes, and the dead.
Because they don't have eyes, I did kind of want
their little flower thing to implode inside their
face. Something to happen, yeah. And I also just,
I mean, the entire Will sequence leading up to
that as well, not just... Love is more powerful,
which we've been kind of getting hints of with
Elle. Yeah. But love of yourself and acceptance
of yourself, which is wonderful. And, you know,
Will's been chasing the love of others and Mike
and his friends and other people. And finally,
he's kind of forced to own up to who he is. and
accept himself for who he is, no matter how difficult.
And that is twofold, but it also gives him power
over himself and access to the powers within,
powers without, the powers that he can access.
Whether he will still have them after Vecna is
dead? Right, is this a Parseltongue situation?
Question mark? Is this a Parseltongue situation
where Harry can speak to snakes when the Horcrux
is in him, and Harry cannot speak to snake as
soon as the Horcrux is destroyed? We shall see.
Then we shall see. Then we shall know. That's
a great, just now go on to the next category.
Yeah. That's a great one. Here's the things that
we were wrong about, guys. We don't claim to
know everything. We were wrong. We were. About
a few things. A few things. We were right about
a lot more, but we were wrong about a few things.
We'll tell you what those are. The first being
death in general. So far, guys, there's been
a lot of unnamed death. A couple of military
people. A lot of military people. A lot of military
people. One of them who got Dwayne Wade to LeBron
James alley -ooped into the ground. Yes. So,
death in general, though, we haven't had any
major deaths. No. None. At all. Ted Wheeler is
the closest, who I will say, I laughed really
hard when they were like, okay, in the first
shadow, Karen and Ted go to high school together.
In the play. But earlier, Mike has this whole
speech about my mom married an older guy with
money and now she's just miserable. And so they
kind of retcon his age. So instead of just saying
that he's 46 years old, they were like, Karen
Wheeler, 46. Ted Wheeler, late 40s. So funny.
We'll just dip around that one. Just casually
sidestep that. Yeah. There's been no major deaths.
I was very wrong about when there's this still
image that we were looking at of now we know
in the Mac zone, there was this giant fight at
the very end of the last episode. And we thought
this girl was Susie just looking real different.
It turned out she was like a middle schooler
or an elementary schooler. Cause Holly's like
at best seven years old. If you're looking at
season one. But apparently a bunch of reporting
has said that she's 10 years old. So either way,
they're probably still in elementary school.
Yeah. None of them look it. Because they aged
up the actresses a lot. Like the actress who
plays Holly is, what is her name? 14, I think.
Nell Fisher. She's 13 when she started filming.
14 now, I think. So, okay. But we thought that
was Susie and it's just one of these little kids
in her class. That's fine. It actually makes
sense that Susie's not there. And the quarantine.
I love it. Why are all these characters here?
Fantastic. There has been a quarantine set down.
However, that does mean that we were wrong about
Enzo and Yuri being there. So my whole big prediction
about Murray and Yuri will die together at the
end of this fourth episode. Very wrong. Although
we almost did get some big deaths again. We'll
cover those in a second. Also. I will say, for
those of you who are parsing, Vecna, I did say
Vecna specifically took Will. He did not. It
was a Demogorgon. Though he was present that
night, so I still count it as a win. But, and
this is stealing a bit from the biggest question
section, Sierra. How do Demogorgons open their
own portals? This is so frustrating from a show
standpoint. It's very frustrating. I like, this
is, it's just, it's like. It's clocked in the
back of my head, jammed in there, and every time
they do it, I'm like, but how? Vecna says he
didn't have the power to do it himself. He had
to go find El. So it's not like the Mind Flayer
could do it, or it already would have. And the
Demogorgons can do it, but only... I guess the
gate has to be open, and then they can do it,
but Vecna still can't. So I just don't understand.
Yeah. More explanation needed, for sure. Please.
Something else that we were wrong about, Max
opening her eyes in dramatic fashion at the end
of episode four. Aurelia! You were wrong! You
were wrong, sorry. But also, potentially TBD.
She could still open her eyes in dramatic fashion
at the end of a different episode. We just haven't
gotten there yet. Yeah. But this is way better
than her being unconscious the whole time and
us just waiting for her to come back. Yeah, this
is sweet. I will accept it. I will also accept
it. Things we were right about. Well, Aurelia,
I just called you out for being wrong. So dear
executive producer, take this as an olive branch.
Aurelia, super right about both Will and Robin
getting together, but also being right that they
deserve to be together. So Aurelia, I think something
along the lines said, I want a queer moment here.
So they are correct in all manner. Like, that
chemistry, brilliant, good, and also essential
to the main plot, which we will discuss in our
MVP discussion. I will note here, Vecna did take
Will for a specific reason. So, yes, still claiming
it. Still claiming that Will is the eye of Vecna
and has powers. Super duper the main thing that
I was up on. There are so many receipts for that
that I'm not going to bother going through. Essentially,
we knew that these powers were coming. So, listeners,
if you thought I was wrong... I will take carnival
rides instead of flowers. Please send them to
my address in Antarctica. please send circus
tickets in lieu of chocolate. But speaking of
my biggest thing that I was clocking the whole
time, Sierra, your biggest thing that you were
clocking the whole time. There is something up
with Holly. I was right. I was right. This is
the most, like in all of our life, this is the
biggest you've been right moment you've ever
had. I honestly, it's, it's definitely. I can't
think of anything else right now. It's pretty
amazing. Because I remember walking and being
like, what's up with Holly? And then you like
literally said it on the podcast. And I was like,
oh, that's a good note. And then we kept watching
it. And I was like, huh. And even Aurelia in
our last one was like, this is something I didn't
notice until you guys said it. And I'm like,
all credence to Sierra here. It's great. And
I do have righteous receipts. Yes, yes, I do.
Season one. When in the Byer house, Holly goes
wandering. She wanders into Will's room, and
she sees the Demogorgon trying to come through
the wall. Bonus, the episode title, Holly Jolly.
Not two separate words, with a comma. Holly is
Jolly. Holly, comma, Jolly. Boom. She makes minor
appearances in season two, but only really in
kind of family scenes. So we'll skip those. Season
three went on the Ferris wheel at the fair. Speaking
of the fair, Holly sees the grossness itself
trampling through the woods on its way to Hopper's
cabin. That's the Mind Flayer meat form. For
those of you who do not know, she sees it. She
sees it. She's the only one who sees it. She
points it out to her parents, who once again
are willfully ignorant about the giant thing
wandering through the forest. It's like their
eyes and her finger are like the opposite of
magnets, where she points and their eyes have
to go somewhere else. Season four. Holly lets
Max use her crayons to see what she saw in Vecna's
mind palace thing. And... Dustin explains Freddy
Krueger to her. Horrifying. But also, she kind
of knows what this whole Vecna situation is already.
She's sitting there at the table listening to
this. Then, Holly's light bright is used to communicate
with the Doobies in the Upside Down. And, at
the end, Holly is the one to tell her mother
that it's snowing. Okay, so, crazy cool thing
about... The fans out there, no one clocked Holly,
really, in a way that went viral, in a way that
got talked about a lot in this scene. Because
everybody noticed when they do this montage of
going between everybody that kind of knows about
the upside down, they show Dustin, they show
Steve and Robin, they show Elle separated out
from the couples in the back, you know, Mike
and Will, Joyce and Hopper. Whoever the other
two people are. Jonathan and Nancy. And then
they show the snow at the Wheeler house and Holly
looking out the window and saying, mom, it's
snowing. And Karen comes to Lynn. Now everyone
went, oh, maybe Karen does know about the upside
down. What if Karen is Vecna's little sister?
Huge fan theory. And I never really got any,
any enjoyment out of it, but. It was worth a
ponder for a second, except for the fact that
Karen is in the play as a separate character
than Vecna's little sister. And Vecna's little
sister confirmed dead. Confirmed dead. Also,
but Holly is in that shot. So it turns out it
wasn't Karen at all. It was Holly all along.
It was Holly all along. And Sierra was right
all along. I'll be smiling about this for days.
We were also right about 8 returning, which is
great. We haven't seen anything to do with 8.
We just saw 8 and them meet. That's cool. Little
flashback to the Chicago episode in case people
forgot who this was because they shaved 8's head.
So. Yeah. No longer big fluffy hair. Yeah. And
took all of her makeup off too. Yeah, that's
true. And changed her clothes. A lot of things.
A lot of things are different about 8. She's
much older. It's been like 8 years. It's fine.
We also got that the play is important. Yes.
And that the contents should be in the season.
And we get them. We get them. We get so many
mentions of the contents of this, specifically
in regards to Henry's time at school. We see
young Joyce. She's talking about her play. We
see that he is in said play. Yep. And that play
is set on November 6th, 1959. Again, these dates
are all important and we're going to talk about
them. I will say it was really fun to see that
little moment of going back to... It's very similar
to the way that they set the play. Also, there's
just been a couple of play references, like Squawk,
the radio station, is run by Bob Newby back in
1959. There's just a bunch of cool things that
they did with this play. And of course, The Cave,
which... We will get to the cave. Yes. The military
being wiped out. Super right. Sam, I think you
called that one specifically. I did. That was
me. Military's getting decimated at the end of
episode four. Yep. And guess what? Guess what
happened? They sure did. Military decimated.
Also, Sierra, you got this one right. Mike and
Nancy spending some time together. Yes. I'm so
happy. And not only were you right about it,
you said it kind of needs to happen because it
hasn't happened since season two. And it turns
out, really needed. Not as much as Will and Robin,
I will say. But like, dear Lord, having them
come into the season as siblings, having something
to fight for with their parents, being out, them
having to work together to go get information
out of the mom and sneak around the hospital.
All of that just is gorgeous. It's so good. I
really enjoy it. I think it also makes so much
sense because from early on, I think I even mentioned
Mike and Nancy are both very, very intelligent
and practical thinkers and have plans and plots
and all these things coming from their parents
who have shown no signs of any of this. And why
are they not together forming these plans? They're
always separate. They're always doing their own
thing. And now they're together. And we see the
impact of that is pretty... Because they're both
very intelligent. This whole Holly situation
with, obviously it's going to bring them together.
And then of course their parents being violently
attacked, fighting for their lives, etc. Also
going to bring them together. But it feels very
much like how the Weasley family in Harry Potter
is this real family that we get touch points
with. But they don't, other than Ginny in the
chamber. But we don't see the whole family go
through that. With needing to... be scared for
Ginny. We only get to see the aftermath when
Harry has rescued her. So we only see Ron's reaction
to losing Ginny. But it's not a family dynamic
in terms of parents, older siblings, everybody
in the loop. We only see the Hogwarts reaction
when Ginny is taken. But when the snake in Christmastime
at Order of the Phoenix attacks Arthur, again,
which is very reflected in Will seeing The Demogorgon
coming for the Wheelers is when we get a big
sense of family dynamic. We're at the Grimald
place with Sirius, with him having to calm down
the family. The response of everyone going, seeing
Arthur and everything. And that's kind of what
this feels like. Is, A, look, here's Ginny. She's
important, a .k .a. Holly. And, look, your parents
are dying. How are you guys reacting as a family?
It really deepens this connection into the Wheeler
household, which has been, like, Karen's been
a main character, but off to the side. Right.
Has had major scenes, but never really part of
the main storyline. Now it's all together, and
it really... helps to solidify the wheelers as
figures in this story with a deeper meaning than
just like, we're the people that help 11 and
figure stuff out. It's there's personal, much
more personal stakes for them now, which I think
is one of the reasons why Mike is suddenly cool
and why Nancy has that blood scene of her washing
off the blood. It's just super like the emotional
resonance that comes from that sets the tone
of the show. I think. Yeah, I agree. And I also
think that, The connection between Nancy and
Mike shows even before this shared trauma that
they're experiencing now, because when they get
the news that there's going to be a crawl, they
are each in charge essentially of disseminating
the information to the rest of the group that
they're with and explaining the plan and going
over the details and all of those things. And
so they've really stepped up into these leadership
roles. I still won't say that Mike is the heart,
but he's definitely the mind at this point. Yeah,
totally. Of the group. So I think it's very exciting
to see also them have a lot more in common. Yeah.
Well, and it's interesting, too, because Mike
has also set up sort of the ending of this show,
which is why we let off the podcast with a quote
from Frodo. Because Mike, when he's talking to
Eleven, she's like, what happens after we do
all of this? And he says, I think we go somewhere
else. I think. You know, we saved this area,
but it's essentially it's time to move on. And
you and I are going to be together to do that,
which is very much like I'm let's sail to the
Undying Lands together. Super photo coded. But
Mike might not have a partner to do that with.
I have no idea if Elle's going to survive or
not. So we'll see. I almost I may have to amend
my Mike stays alive prediction. He and Elle and.
will may all go out as a trio maybe maybe you
might be right because if i just think that if
will and l aren't around anymore mike's the glue
that's held them together and i think that he
will also go yeah possibly well last thing that
we were right about or i was right about at least
i did say i think max might be stuck inside vecta's
mind because he absorbs people Boy, was that
right. Yeah. I felt good about that one. So stealing
from our viewing views when we do movies, here's
our category for questions. Questions that need
answering. Thanks, Gandalf. Gandalf, what are
the biggest questions that we have? And I'm not
going to attempt to do a Gandalf voice. Okay.
So this question is mainly in case anybody has
the audience, which is like, what's the timeline
between seasons four and five? It's been 600
days since season four, or 587 days to be precise.
We know that Eddie dies March 27th of 1986. That's
the day that Vecna gets bombade. That's the day
Max is killed, opening up the gate. And we know,
for Lucas tells us it, it's November 3rd, 1987.
Yeah, I was expecting weeks, maybe months to
have gone by between seasons four and five. So
this length of time is absolutely crazy. Yeah.
Well, and it was reported that Netflix or the
Duffer Brothers or somebody said, we're going
to be picking up right where we left off, which
is... Which is why people were like, Argyle's
not here? What's happening? Now, there was an
article, I forget which one it was in, whether
it was Variety or... the times or something,
but somebody reported that because of COVID delays,
the Duffer brothers got to write much of season
five before season four was shot at all. And
it was actually really annoying to the stage
director for the play because they kept going
back and changing stuff while this guy was trying
to do rehearsals and get the play off the road.
But that's neat to hear that there. So it is
interesting that. Even right after season four,
they were like, yep, we'll be picking up right
off. And then they still had to do this change
where it's 587 days later. So what's been going
on? Well, first of all, on November 3rd, that
means, as Lucas tells us, we are three days away.
From November 6th, which is the four -year anniversary
of Will being taken, and also the 28th anniversary
of the night Henry Creel, aka Vecna, starred
in Joyce's play and finally gave fully into the
Mind Flayer's influence back in 1959. And I bet
anything that November 6th of 1958 is when Vecna
first meets the Mind Flayer. More on that later.
So nearly 600 days since all of that has occurred,
and Rockin' Robin has been running the radio
show Squawk for 500 days, which I gotta say,
well done getting it up and running in 87 days.
Previous disc jockey, Fled Hawkins, when the
portal opened, also note, I think season five,
episode five of Stranger Things, the first one
of volume two, is called The Disc Jockey. Very
scared for Robin. Joyce and the Byers have been
living with the Wheelers the whole time. Hopper
has been living in the tunnel slash his cabin.
I gotta say right here, Sierra, is his cabin
unplottable? What? How has the military not found
his cabin? He must just have it and it's like
not in his name or anything like that. Yeah.
I mean, we knew it was kind of secret, but then
Sam Owens people all could drive straight up
to it. So you'd think that the other half of
the military would have found out by this point,
but whatever. Maybe every time they go, it's
empty. They've done 36 crawls into the Upside
Down. Robin graduated high school. Mike and company
are juniors. Elle's been trading at a junkyard.
And otherwise, they've been told to keep a low
profile. Looking at you, Dustin. So here's my
big question for you, Sierra. Is what Dustin's
doing in Eddie's name selfish, as Mike and company
sort of make it seem? I don't necessarily think
that it's selfish. I think it could be a little
extreme. Because he's not just trying to keep
Hellfire going. Not just saying, you guys are
wrong about Eddie. He was really a good person.
Things like that. He's very much just turning
into Eddie and pushing it in everybody's face.
Which I think is a little bit more... inflammatory
than he needs to be. I get that he's in a lot
of pain and he's really going through it, but
I think that the better use of Eddie's memory
is to do what Eddie asked of him, which is to
find the flock and to guide them and all of those
things instead of whatever he's doing, which
is antagonizing the jocks. And being up front
and not with anybody. And where is all the rest
of the Hellfire people? And it just doesn't seem
like he's... It's not in his self -interest.
It's also not in anybody else's self -interest.
It just feels very self -sabotaging. Yeah. He
knows he's going to get bullied. He knows he's
going to get attacked for wearing the shirt.
For doing the things that he's doing. For saying
the things that he says. For looking the way
that he's looking. He's grown his hair out. He's
wearing Eddie's rings or similar ones. He's dressing
like Eddie. He's got the whole persona going.
And it's definitely a cry for help. And it's
definitely a form of almost self -harm, really.
There's a bit of that, certainly. I'm a little
bit on... Dustin's side when he says like we've
never – they tell him, hey, just ignore them.
Stop antagonizing them. Move on because we got
to make sure we stay ready for the fight because
that's the bigger picture. They're not wrong
about that. But I'm also a little bit on Team
Dustin where I'm like we've never been like that.
We've always been the people to stand up. And
I'm like, yeah, dude, sing your song, man. So
I feel a lot of sympathy. Although the bigger
fight is Vecna. The bullies can take care of
them later. It's not a big deal enough to do
it now. But also, Dustin clearly has a wonderful
relationship with Eddie. That's very clear in
the book about Eddie. And he's the one that has
been most hurt. And I feel like the other people
are doing a bad job trying to help him rather
than just being like, he's lost his mind. Like,
his friends are not really supporting him in
that. And he and Steve are on the outs, too.
And I feel like there's a lot of looking in Steve
needs to do on that relationship as well. Dustin
lost somebody that he absolutely loves. Dustin
doesn't have a dad. And Eddie was like one just
as much as you, Steve. And you need to cool it
on your tone too, man. That's what I have to
say about that. Yeah, I think Steve is... I don't
understand him this season, I gotta say. Yeah,
he's very... I think he's just really caught
up in Nancy. His focus is Nancy. And that's it.
And you know what it's like when you have a crush
that big. You really do somewhat. And especially
like... Quarantine, and these are the only people,
and you're around her every day, like, and she's
with this other guy. Ugh. I gotta say, not a
big fan of that storyline, or what Jonathan's
up to in this season. Steve's persona is, like,
very solely focused. It's a little weird. I'm
hoping for more in the second volume. Mm -hmm.
Another question that needs answering. Is Dustin
going to die? And I'll give you three quotes
that made me be like, harbingers of his death.
Quote. I want to see Vecna's heart on a platter.
Uh -oh. Oh, no. Anybody that solely focused on
killing has always not gotten up to any good.
Hellfire dies with you and it dies tonight. It
makes me uncomfortable. And I won't always be
around to solve your problem, Steve. Mm -hmm.
Yikes. Yeah. I will say... I think that they're
playing with us and that Dustin is going to survive,
but that he is going to do something super reckless
that will get somebody else killed. And that's
what that photo of Steve hugging Dustin that
you were commenting on last episode is all about.
Why is Holly's D &D class significant? Well,
here's some answers, and then we'll speculate
a little bit at the end of this. So from the
Stranger Things wiki, with some explanations
from the phrase maker, unless otherwise notated.
1983, it's a little different from the rest of
the show. Mike is Tair, but we don't know who
that is. He's just the DM. Will is Will the Wise,
and that's just an elf magic user. It's not labeled
yet. Lucas is Sundar the Bold. He's a human knight.
Dustin, best name, best class. He's Nog, a dwarf
bard, which is wonderful. No notes. 1984, season
two, it's different. We now know that Tair is
a halfling paladin. Which makes a lot of sense,
given that we had the whole Frodo speech from
Mike earlier. A paladin is a holy knight bound
by a sacred oath, often to help others and fight
for order in the world. That seems very Mike
Coda, does it not? Mm -hmm. Yep, definitely.
Will, still Will the Wise, but he's labeled as
a cleric slash magic user, which I find fascinating.
So, in the first season, he's Will the Wise,
and they refer to him a little bit as a wizard,
but it's just like magic user. A wizard is a
magic user who has to study in order to be able
to use magic, making them wise and powerful.
So he's called a wizard, but he's also a cleric.
From D &D Beyond, clerics are intermediaries
between the mortal world and the distant planes
of the gods. As varied as the gods they serve,
clerics strive to embody the handiwork of their
deities. No ordinary priest, a cleric is imbued
with divine magic. It makes a lot of sense for
Will, who is serving the deity of Vecna and is
the intermediary between the Upside Down and
Vecna in Season 2, so that's fine for 1984. They
will change his class again this season. More
on that in a second. Lucas is Sondar the Bold
still, but he's now a human ranger, aka like
Aragorn, who's a ranger from the North. Aragorn
also has a love that lasts through the war, even
though everyone thinks that they'll, you know,
not end up together. So hopefully that is reflecting
Max and Lucas. I can only hold out so much hope.
And of course, a ranger is a classic archer.
You know, you think about all the water balloons,
the fireworks, the slingshot gun. Skilled hunter
and tracker who usually stays on the outskirts
of civilizations and battles as well. Dustin
is still Nog, still a dwarf bard. Bart is known
for the charisma. It's Dustin in a nutshell.
Quick notes here. Just as a reminder, Max refers
to herself as their Zoomer. I've not seen much
super speed from Max, although I will say she
did outrun Vecna when he's chasing her in his
own mind. So that's good. And Erica introduces
Lady Applejack, which is a half of Rogue. And
then there's Holly. Okay, Holly. Dubbed Holly
the Heroic because... Mike, although his character
is much improved, his alliteration game is rather
basic. Holly the Heroic is a cleric. This is
what Will was in Season 2. Given the gift of
magic from a god in order to heal and support
others. Here's Sierra, what you were talking
about with healing at the end of Season 4. This
character that has been given to Holly says healing.
And we know that Holly right now is being infected
like Will was. So she's probably going to have
powers, right? Right. Maybe she's going to have
healing, too. One important spell they can use
is called Dimension Door, which was specifically
touched on by Mike at this moment. The Dimension
Door spell allows a cleric to teleport themselves
and anyone with them to anywhere in existence
that they can visualize within range. It seems
things are shaping up for this to be what gets
Holly and Max out of Henry's memory. bringing
Holly back to her family and reawakening Max
for the final battle. If this turns out to be
true, then Holly the heroic may just turn out
to be one of the most important characters the
entire season. That is from the phrase maker.
So a very helpful note there. Mike also says
specifically that clerics, you know, have divine
powers, as we've said. but can protect against
evil spirits as well. Yeah. And I think that
we can potentially put the mind player in the
evil spirit category. So potentially this amount
of magic or powers that she is being imbued with
may make her less susceptible. To whatever the
mind flayer is up to. Bring us Yabba Baba. It's
our spirited away category for what is an evil
spirit? The mind flayer. I'm kidding. That's
not an actual category. Please don't sue us.
Very important. Must not forget. Cleric has been
removed from Will the Wise. Mike and Will specifically
discuss him as a wizard. And then Mike says,
you're more like a sorcerer. A sorcerer is a
magic user who has the ability to use magic without
any studying or forging of deals. as their powers
are innate. Mike specifically says he is more
like a sorcerer than a wizard because his powers
are innate, not learned from books or studies.
So, Sierra, what does this all mean for Holly?
I think that it means she is going to have the
ability within her once we get out of Vecna's
continued mind memory palace, and she will have
the ability to heal, the ability to get them
out. the ability to potentially join the party
in a more meaningful way. And her powers are
going to be innate, which makes me think that
possibly she won't lose them. Her powers are
described as coming from a divine being, which
is different than how Mike had described Will's
powers as being innate. Yeah. Because Will's
powers and... potentially Holly's, are coming
from the same source. So this brings me back
to if Vecna is gone, but probably both of them
will lose their abilities. Yeah, totally. Okay.
Fascinating. Yeah, I'm really interested to see
what happens with Holly's character. Here's a
two -parter for you, Sierra. Is the kidnapping
of the Turnbow kid eerily similar to what Billy
does with the adult napping of Heather's mom
and dad in season three? Drug family take family
away. That's the plan. Did they not just copy
what the Mind Flayer makes Billy do? I mean,
a little bit, but they also are... They have
the second part of the plan. It's just get the
family away so they're not there for the real
plan. It's not that getting them away is the
main part of the plan. That's true. Also, here's
the second part. Is this kidnapping plan a good
plan? Because it... requires people not being
blindfolded and and he the kid got his blindfold
off really easily i i get why we had to have
the demogorgon turn around and come back and
we had to have a little bit more high stakes
and have this kid actually fear for his life
and understand that there is a monster after
him so that he can join the group and whatnot
however It did feel like, I'm sorry, but if they
got the dosing right on the parents, I don't
care how overweight this kid is, the dosing's
gonna be adequate. I know that that is kind of
the undercurrent of what the insinuation is.
He ate two pieces, how is he awake? That's why
he's still awake? Or why he has woken up? Right.
His body has processed it faster or assimilated
it in a different way because when you are dosing
an elephant, per se, you need more than a mouse.
Right. And they did, however, make the comment
that this stuff is enough to knock out an elephant.
Right. Robin says this when they are stealing
it. Right. Which is almost like, hey, that kid
ate two pieces. We should be worrying about him
dying, not him waking up. Yes, exactly. So and
the Tina just gets a shot of it because there
was a so have another backup. I don't. Yeah.
Hello. I don't know. I just I feel like the the
general idea is a decent plan. But I think that
there's a lot of contrived. Contrivances is not
a word. For the plot. Exactly. There's some plot
armor around the Demogorgon being able to be
like, ah, that kid just looked. I will say, I
mean, it makes sense for the pacing of the story,
for everybody coming back, etc. I feel like you
could have zuzzed that out a little bit more
to be a bit more believable. But we are parsing
because we are deep diving, and that's okay.
I will say, the entire rest of the plot... super
cool big trap although a chainsaw would not have
cut through that floor like that don't ruin steve's
dreams so uh you know the the trap door the barbed
wiring the you know flambéing the shooting the
tracker super cool brilliant really like that
idea um was really funny when murray was like
that'll never work and nancy was like shut up
Or I will, you know, aim for your gentleman's
region, and I can hit a target no matter how
small. Great Nancy line. So everything else is
cool, but yeah, that last part is a doozy for
that plan. Sierra, what is this giant gate made
of tendrils and postules and the upside down?
And did the Hawkins lab actually make it? No
idea. This is one that I honestly have no insight
on this one. Yeah. Okay. It's a very big question
for me. No. Yeah. I have, I have no information.
It's just, it's like branched out in a circle
surrounding, and it seems to be, I guess the
barrier potentially between the upside down and
dimension X. Maybe. And like Vecna's mind area,
which the, but I don't understand how that exists
in the same plane. The cave. That should be like
a third plane. Well, and it should be its own
plan because we've seen Holly. with the tube
in her mouth in dimension x somewhere slash the
upside down and so then she must be in a different
plane but it also looks very much like the cave
that they're in that wall system is also the
same height as the gate so there's a lot of questions
around that for me okay so here's a huge note
what is with all these wrinkle in time references
and what is this other world holly and max is
in so Wrinkle in Time is my first big fandom
book that I ever read with magic systems and
any of that stuff. Did you ever read it, Sierra?
I honestly don't know that I did. I might have
read it as a kid. I have no memory of it, though.
It was like my sister's favorite book growing
up, and I really enjoyed it as well. And then
I read it a couple years ago with my wife, and
I was like, yeah, this book still slaps. It's
great. It's worth a read for everybody, even
if it's just for Stranger Things reasons that
you want to know for more information. So here's
a Wrinkle in Time Sparknotes simple first couple
sentences summary. Wrinkle in Time is the story
of Meg Murray, an adolescent girl who is transported
on an adventure through time and space with her
younger brother Charles Wallace and her friend
Calvin O 'Keefe to rescue Meg's father, a gifted
scientist, from the evil forces that hold him
prisoner on another planet. So kind of almost
exactly what's going on with Holly and Max. So
Holly calls this like mind palace prison of Vecna's
Kamazots. She says specifically, like, it's like
this dark planet that's under the control of
it, which she explains as a giant disembodied
evil brain. Here's the problem. Holly is by herself
as Meg. There's no Calvin or Charles. In the
book, Meg's dad gets taken prisoner on Camazotz,
and all three of them have to save dad, but also
other things ensue, right? What happens to Charles?
What happens to Calvin? I won't spoil the book
as much as I can. Holly literally says that Max
is like Meg's dad. And then she says, so Henry's
kind of like it, and you're kind of like Meg's
dad. But Sierra, here's my major theory. When
you hear the words giant disembodied evil brain,
who do you think of? The Mind Flayer. Not Henry
Creel. It's absolutely the Mind Flayer. So to
me, Holly's getting close, but she's not on the
money yet. Holly is Meg, certainly. But Max is
going to end up being more like Charles or Calvin.
So I'm going to guess that they're going to add
another character. Like maybe someone's going
to get Vecna'd in the main crew and join Max
there. Or it's going to be like Derek or one
of these kids. To complete the trio. And that
they'll save Meg's dad. Which in this case is
Henry Creel. Who's the guy that's been taken
over by the Mind Flayer. And they're going to
save him, Meg's dad, from It. Which I believe
It is the Mind Flayer. Meg's dad is Henry. Now...
Here's the thing. If you really don't want spoilers
to a wrinkle in time, skip this. Charles is Meg's
little brother. Charles gets taken over by it
as soon as they free the dad. I think this might
be talking about the fact that Vecna's eye, if
you have it for too long, corrupts you into being
like Vecna. So this may be that Will turns and
is now, you know, overcome by the mind flare.
But we shall see. We shall see. Thoughts on any
of that, Sierra? I like this theory. I think
it's very interesting. I guess we will see. There's
a lot of illusions, which once the Duffer Brothers
have put in enough illusions, you get to understand
a little bit of where they're going. And so I
feel like there's too much to ignore. So potentially
following the plot a little bit more would make
sense. However... They also like to take things
and twist them. So it's possible that we think
that this is where it's going and then it goes
in a completely different direction. Don't ruin
my dreams. Okay, so what is the significance
of the cave that they're in? This is a direct
reference to the play. I'd once again bet anything
that this is the cave that little Henry Creel
comes into contact with in Nevada that we hear
about in First Shadow. You can see in the Boy
Scout picture, he's a happy, smiling kid, so
he wasn't always evil. Yeah, I agree 100%. It's
part of his memory. He refuses to go in it, and
it has to be terrifying to him. And the cave
is the only thing that fits that bill, that he
would be so terrified of that he wouldn't even
dare approach it. So it has to be... That this
is the cave where he comes in contact with the
Mind Flayer. His reaction as an adult, hunting
down Max and being so scared to go in there,
I think is the biggest thing that has shown me
that you and I are right. The Mind Flayer is
actually in charge, not him. Yeah, I would agree.
I think this is also interesting. This is another
Harry Potter reference, the cave in Voldemort's
past that he hides one of his horcrux in. As
being, you know, a super important thing. And
Empire Strikes Back reference, right? The dark
side cave that Luke kills the, like, force -generated
Vader in. And then the helmet explodes and it's
Luke inside the whole time. Mm -hmm. So we know
from the play for Shadow that Dr. Brenner is
trying to reach Dimension X to see what his father
saw. A scientist defects Steel's equipment and
hides in a cave. Hanyu comes into contact with
equipment and is whisked off to Dimension X for
12 hours. This is when he meets the Mind Flayer,
that's the giant evil voice in his head during
the play, and this is when he first gets his
powers. He becomes more evil after this occurrence.
He becomes evil at all, let's be honest. He's
not evil before that. I think the biggest question,
knowing all of this though, is what does the
Mind Flayer, or Vakina, want with these kids?
Once they have more Vecnas, Wills, Hollies, etc.,
what are they going to do with them? They have
a specific target list. He says he wants them
because they're weak, they're easily molded,
you can basically reform them in whatever image
you want, and this is why he has collected all
of these kids, but to what purpose? To be Brenner
and recreate this? To... He doesn't have the
motivation to reach dimension X because he's
there. So there just doesn't seem to be a clear
end game of what exactly are they trying to accomplish
here? Well, and I wonder, I wonder if the mind,
what the mind player wants and what Henry wants
are two different things. And that the mind player
is utilizing Henry's want to recreate the world
to have powerful beings that do the right thing
in his mind as a way of opening up. a gate that
the mind flayer can get through itself. Cause
you know, you look at Will's like finger painting
that he draws this huge thing with all the different
spots for the kids to go. It's the mind flayers
right up right in it. Like it, it's there. So
I, you're right. That's a huge question. I don't
think we have any, any answers or clues yet,
which is cool and also frustrating. So here's
another one. How is Max going to utilize Holly
and how will she escape back into her body versus
how will Holly escape back into her body? Do
you have an answer, Sierra? I think it's going
to come to this dimension door situation where
they're going to be able to follow something
through enough and Holly's going to be able to
keep the portal open to get them out. Now, I
think the question is really, Do they need to
follow two separate things to get both of them
out? Or can Holly jump through when Max jumps
through? I think it's the latter. I think that
once there's a portal out to the real world,
you can go out to the real world. However, I
think they're going to have to get Holly's body
out of the Upside Down. Potentially first. Now,
there's also a possibility that Holly gets Max
out and then Max... knows then through whatever
they've been through knows where holly's body
is and then they can go and i'm assuming at that
point they will also have the other kids there
as well yeah and they can go and rescue everybody
together yeah and so max will be able to leave
and go back to the right side up to then go back
to the upside down not henry's mind palace but
the upside down and rescue all of the kids and
somehow free their minds. But I think that it's
going to be a slightly different situation where
they either have to kill Vecna first for the
kids to all be released, or because Will didn't
have to necessarily escape from some sort of
something when he was being, you know, burned
using the gross tube. Yeah. Which is exactly
what Holly's going through. So potentially once
they remove that again, I know I keep alluding
to like a gin, but that's really what it makes
me think of when you detach the, when you detach
from whatever the gin is pumping into you, you
wake up. Right. So if you're detached, then you'll
be there. And so I think that that's potentially
what's going to happen. Yeah. I mean, if you
guys don't want a, Spoiler from the trailer.
Skip ahead a little bit. In the trailer, one
of the one scenes that we have not seen yet is
Lucas holding Max's body in an elevator as Demodogs
are running towards him. So I think that at some
point, Vector's going to catch on to the fact
that Max and Holly are together and Vector's
going to try and kill Max's literal body to get
her out of his head. But I think this cleric
thing is all correct, right? With the dimension
door being open. But I gotta say, Holly's in
for a much ruder awakening being in Dimension
X than Max is. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, for continued
further deep dive on that one, it is the image
that they're using for Episode 6 is Lucas holding
Max and the title is Escape from Campus X. Good.
Well, that'll be fun. Good, good, good, good,
good. Quick, quick question here. Is Murray's
character being utilized well? Yes. Yeah, I think
so, too. Some people are really upset that he
seems to be sidelined. And I'm like, they need
a smuggler. He's doing his thing. He's doing
his thing. And also, unless he died in that truck
accident. Yeah, exactly. And unless he died in
that truck accident, he's going to be with the
main group starting now. Yeah. Like, you know,
it took an episode before Erica showed up this
season. It took two episodes before Max showed
up. Murray's been in all of them. He's had great
moments. Leave him alone, people. Okay. Here's
big theory time for Sierra and I. We have, like,
essentially blacked out. our theories from each
other. So this will be the first time that we're
hearing each other's theories. I'm very excited
about this. It comes under the question, what
is the big purpose of eight being behind this
kryptonite prison? And where is her character
going from here? So my big theory goes back to
a little something that we were talking about
in season four. I'll, I'll give you the little
bit of what I've already said in the pod. And
I'm going to add on season four. In Eddie's campaign,
where we first hear the name Vecna, only Erica,
who's subbing in for Lucas, and Dustin are left.
Dustin rolls an 11. Obviously L. That's a miss,
Eddie says. So 11 alone cannot kill Vecna. At
the same time, Lucas, wearing a number 8, shoots
the basketball and wins the basketball game.
Fantastic. At that same moment, though, Erica
rolls... a d20, and gets a 20, which in D &D
means no matter how hard the task is with any
of your additional add -ons or modifiers, a 20
always means success. However, 11 plus 8 is 19,
not 20. But Sierra, if you add 1, you get 20.
So I'm even more convinced that Henry Creel We'll
turn against the Mind Flayer because of what's
going on in Holly's and Mac's storyline. And
we'll join 11 and 8 in order to kill the Mind
Flayer, giving us 11 plus 8 plus 1, a d20 roll
with those three characters. Interesting. It's
the best theory in the whole world! It's a pretty
great theory. I do really like it. I think it
makes a lot of sense. I think that all of the
moments are there to make it clear. I don't disagree
with it at all. I have a little bit of kind of
crazy. I guess I went a little bit different
with my what is eight's purpose theory. The original
purpose of her being there is specifically to
combat Eleven, because all of her powers are
mental and they tap into your own mind in a way
that Elle's doesn't, in a way that Will's doesn't,
etc. She is the only other one left living that
we know of, and also potentially, you know, Cops
may have caught up to her eventually. I'm sure
we're going to find out a little bit more of
what happened to her and how she ended up here.
Military maybe tracked Elle's little journey
when she found Callie in the first place. But
what I think will happen from here, I think she
is what you said. She is going to be vital to
defeating the Mind Flayer or Vecna, whichever
the... big evil of this plot will be. I think
that that is her main purpose. I think that Eleven
is going to teach her to use love because it's
stronger than hate. Because Hallie taught Eleven
to use hate, and Eleven is going to show her
that the opposite is actually true. Nice. Good.
Love it. Here's my really crazy, out -of -the
-box idea. Give it to me. Could she be a new
love interest for Dustin? She's dark. He's really
dark now, too. It's probably why he and Susie
potentially don't make sense anymore because
she's this very bright and bubbly and happy.
Dusty Buns doesn't exist anymore. No. He does
not exist. Dusty Buns is not there anymore. I
think that it could be very interesting when
A gets introduced to the rest of the crew. That
Dustin maybe finds something in her that's very
interesting. And because he's, you know, a little
researcher and likes to get more information
on things and is kind of our plot guy on why
certain things work. I think that maybe they
could have a little bond of plotting and coming
up with uses for her powers that work with whatever
plot they're going to be creating towards the
end of the season. Totally. That's my out of
the box possibility. I love it. I'm here for
it. Callie and Dustin, let's go. Okay, here's
another question. Are we headed for time travel?
This is not something that either of us have
really talked about. But it is a big theory that
they're going to go back to either 1958 when
Vecna meets the Mind Flayer and reset everything.
And that's going to be why it's so sad. Because
Will and Mike and Eleven and the whole crew doesn't
meet. And because it changes the... The way that
the play goes in 1959, everybody does different
things and, you know, it makes it so that the
mind flayer never has contact. Some people think
they're going to go back to November 6th, 1983,
mainly because Lucas pointed out that date so
specifically. So I asked Reddit about this situation
and Redditor Dagger Mastering wrote, I think
they're setting up a Prisoner of Azkaban time
travel thing. When I pressed for a little bit
more info, they wrote probably to 1983 rather
than like 59 or something. The upside down is
Stuckerberth or whatever on the day that Will
went missing. The fact that Henry has a fearful
memory of something to do with the canyon. Max
and Holly being locked in some memory world.
All of the clocks, grandfather clocks, etc. Even
the sound that occurs whenever Vecna is present
resembles time slowing down. Defo, some time
travel stuff coming. So, Sierra, what do you
think? Time travel? I don't think we're heading
for time travel. I think, I just think it's more
of a reference to the memories. Because we have
a lot of, we're kind of going back in time anyway
through his memories. So I think that that is
more of what these things are referencing. And
I think the clock is just because a clock is
kind of an iconic thing that we get in an older
house. I thought that was all about he's coming.
The time is coming rather than we're going back
in time. Yeah. I'll put it even stronger. Because
we get the stained glass all the time too. Well,
we get the stained glass all the time, too, and
so that doesn't really track. I think it's more
just those iconic things that really bring you
back to the Creel house. Yeah. I'll put it even
stronger than you did. I hope to God we don't
do it. Yeah, I really hope we don't. Time travel,
when that's what it's about, is awesome. Yes.
Time travel introduced to a universe that has
not done it, I feel like almost always is disappointing.
Yes. Like, the only time that I've ever seen
time travel done super well, when it's been added
in as an element, is Harry Potter and the Prisoner
of Azkaban, where that ending is just so brilliant.
But it's also, you've been layered in that that's
a possibility with Hermione's whole storyline,
and then it kind of like, oh, this is what's
been going on, here's a little mystery solved,
and now it's a tool. But even then, it caused
Rowling a huge problem. She wrote about it in
one of her outside materials, when she said,
I maybe went into this too naively. Now that's
not her exact words, but that the spirit of what
she said. So like, let's not do time travel for
God's sake, please. Yeah. Let's really not. We
don't need it. There's way too much else going
on. We have way too many questions. Totally.
Last question. Do we still think that Al or Will
will go bad? I think Will, unless they decide.
They realize that, oh, the Eye of Vecna is corrupting
you. You've got to stop doing this. And then
they let Elle sort of have the last giant fight.
Or Elle and Callie and Henry have the last giant
fight against the Mind Flayer. I think that will
maybe going bad. And again, this is going back
to what Noah Schnapp was saying about everyone's
going to be devastated and it's going to be sad
and all that sort of stuff. And what you were
talking about last episode, Sierra. So I think
Will is definitely more on the, like, likely
side than Eleven for me. I think I'm way less
convinced with Elle at this point. She seems
like a very straightforward superhero storyline
at the moment with her and Hopper. And it's interesting,
too, because is it weird, Sierra, that I do not
care about her character nearly as much as everybody
else? I've felt the same way, to be honest. Yeah.
People were putting out, like... Little, not
infographics, but little compilations of how
I'll feel if these people die. And going from,
eh, whatever, all the way to, if you kill him,
we riot. All the way to Steve. All the way to
Steve. So, so many people put L in this category
of... I will be so traumatized or it will be
horrible or I will really hate it if Elle dies.
I kind of put her in the, oh no, bummer. I put
her in the like, okay, yeah, I'm prepared for
that. Whatever. Yeah. Like that seems right for
her character. I don't know if it's just because
we've dug so much into it that we're thinking
of it more of like a logical, coming from it
more logically than emotionally. From a story
standpoint. It is the curse of being, like, really
into analysis is that you do end up ruining some
of the, like, experience of just being the fan.
So I hear that. But, like, so here's my list
right now of, like, characters I super duper
care about going all the way down to contempt.
Characters that I super duper care about. Holly,
Nancy, Mike suddenly, Will, Dustin, Steve, Robin,
Hopper, Max, Lucas. All care about this. Medium
care. Joyce and Jonathan this season who've been
kind of benched. A little bit benched. Like,
Jonathan is, I'm maybe going to get engaged,
but also getting engaged in the middle of a terrible
relationship is not the way to fix a relationship.
So, ugh. And Joyce is very much, like, just helicopter
parent. Been relegated to helicopter parent status.
So, that's not great. And then, I, like, medium
care about Erica. I mean, I, like, really want
her to survive and stuff, but I'm not absolutely
devastated. mild care for 11 and 8 like i have
the same level of care for 11 storyline yeah
that i do for 8 right now and maybe that'll zurp
up a little bit but like i don't know actual
contempt i would say dr k even with the possibility
of her in my mind still maybe being good uh she's
the major general right And also the military
I have actual contempt for, especially Kay's
mercenary group, the Wolf Pack. Those are the
mercenaries that are specifically trying to capture
Elle. They're in this sort of different military
uniform. So there's like the army, which you
can see. And then there's the solid like olive
green. That's her and her group. And then there's
the mercenaries that's in a different color.
That's the Wolf Pack. And those are the people
that I just can't stand. So this leads me to
my reactions to the only deaths that we get.
Yeah. Which was, yay, Demogorgons. Hey, thanks.
This is actually super helpful as long as, wait,
no, you're going for Robin and Lucas and Will
and my, oh, okay, no. Will's got power, so we're
good. Oh, nice. Good job, Demogorgons. Wait,
don't high five me. You'll slip me open. Yeah,
I very much was like. We're in a bad situation.
Oh, the Demogorgons are arriving. Well, I guess
the military is finally going to realize what
the heck is going on. Oh, wait, but none of them
will be alive to see it. Dang it. I was really
hoping it would provide enough distraction for
them to get away, though. Yeah. But I get it.
I get it, too. Plot needs to plot. You know,
you don't always have to face down a horde of
angry soldiers by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners.
It's our Sansa is smarter than John category.
What is the most important character moment?
I have it as Holly accepting Max as Max and trusting
her. I think this is going to have like huge
consequences in volume two in the finale. And
I've also captured this in a quote. Would you
live read this with me, Sierra? I would love
to. I have notated yours in purple. So this is
Max. Would a monster know that your brother tried
to get a mohawk until your sister stopped him,
saving him from possibly the greatest social
humiliation that a freshman has ever experienced
at Hawkins High? What color was this mohawk?
Hot orange. So good. Did you have one? I did
not have a separate one. I found that there was
a lot of more lead up. character moments for
me so i didn't have too many that really stuck
out so this one this one was one of my short
list of possibilities because i do think that
it's going to have lasting impact yeah throughout
the next few episodes and none of the other things
i think were as important in terms of like character
development or uh plot reasons however i do think
i want to give an honorable mention For, this
isn't a specific, well, it is a specific moment.
No, scratch all that. I have a contender. Okay.
I have a contender for this. Mike pushing the
kids behind him and facing down a Demogorgon.
Okay. I'm glad that you talked about this because
I was also very much on the edge of giving it
to Mike for giving Holly the heroic to Holly.
And putting all of this ideas in her head that
she's a cleric, which is also both hugely important
for story reasons. And also Mike hasn't had much.
So yay, Mike, because he's been excellent the
way that he treats Holly, the way that he treats
everybody around him, the leadership skills that
he shows. And then this moment here. Yes. Where
like, and like that, it might be that one, Sierra,
because it is a whole. shows worth of mike that
has been on this podcast very much like who the
heck's this dude what's going on and then finally
he's dunking on us haters and going look i am
capable of this so i'll give it to you let's
do that let's do that it's mike standing in the
way being the protector it's just him between
the demogorgon i like it let's do it yep okay
really so i know that Mike thought he was just
about to lose a hand. But listen up. It's the
I am your father category for most iconic character
moment. Now I've got it. There's no question
it's this. It's the moment Dustin and Steve are
sitting in the car and they're arguing and bickering
as per usual. Steve goes, it's a good thing we're
not too conspicuous. And they both look up as
the camera pans up to reveal this huge satellite
dish bolted to their car. It's funny. It's good.
It's excellent. And, Sierra, do you remember
those old Disney movie sort of reels where they
do highlights from a bunch of their famous movies
on VHS right before you'd actually start a Disney
movie? Yeah. If Netflix ever did that, this would
be the thing from Stranger Things that made it.
Oh my gosh. That would be so funny. And I'm so
right. I think you're pretty right. Well, yes
and no. I think if they went funny, yes. They
have to. You have to on this. You can't do scary
in case little kids are watching. No, it's not
scary. You'd have Elle flipping the van. You
just have the van flip. Oh, no, it's this. It's
this. You might be right, but I'm going to stick
to my guns. So I have a contender here. It's
also Steve. Of course. It's him driving through
the gate. Okay, both of these made it on the
trailer. And both of them were exactly right
for what they're trying to do. Yes. Okay, Sierra,
I gave you the last one. Out of the goodness
of your heart, please do the same. Fine, I will
concede. Excellent, thank you. But now you need
to sit down. Because it's time for I Am Iron
Man. most iconic and most important scene category.
There can only be one. I don't think there's
any other answer. It's Will Vecna, the Demogorgon,
saving Robin, probably Murray, Lucas, and Mike.
That's three characters in one sitting in...
Oh my gosh, he's got powers. Oh my gosh, he's
raising up into the air. Oh my gosh, he's got
Vecna's exact powers. Like, what? Come on. Yep.
It has to be that. A little side question for
you. Did you think he was going to have to choose
two? No. I was dead convinced. Because. I was
absolutely convinced that he was going to either
have to choose one or two to save. That he couldn't
save all three. And he was going to have to pick.
And I was sitting there going, who is he going
to pick? Right. Oh my gosh. Obviously Mike. Mike.
Mike is safe. He has to pick Mike. So are Robin
and Lucas both dead? Robin's dead. I don't know.
But then. It's Robin who's the voice in his head
in these moments. It's Robin's voice going through.
But come on, he's been friends with Lucas and
Mike for forever. There was two things that made
me realize he wasn't going to have to choose.
One is they did Mike and Lucas. So because of
that weight issue where it's like best friends
forever and Robin, who's been recently very important
to me, I just felt like the show wasn't going
to set it up in that way. Also, the real reason
why I didn't think so is because we've been making
all of these jokes about one hand, two hands,
all four limbs. And I was like, he's got a head.
And then he uses the head. This is very true.
And I said that in jest, but then it happened.
Yeah. Because I thought, yeah, I was 100 % convinced
he was going to have to pick one. And so I was
like, okay, well, he'll save Mike. But then he
only used one hand to save Mike. So then I was
like, well, now he's got another hand and he
can pick somebody else. Who is he going to pick?
But then he picked all three. He chose secret
option number C. The head option. Keep your horses
safe. It's the I'm going to make them enough
where we can't refuse category for best lines.
I'm nuts. I'm nuts. But I'm not that nuts. Spoiler
alert, he was indeed that nuts. Who said this?
Hopper. And Joyce is sending him down to do the
crawl. And she's saying, you know, don't try
to take on Vecna. Don't do anything. Come back
in one piece. And he's like, oh, I'm not going
to do that. And she's like, mm -hmm, sure you're
not. He's like, I'm nuts. I'm nuts. But I'm not
that nuts. Well, cut to Hopper. revealing the
bomb strapped to his chest. He was indeed that
nuts. Also, like, not sure that that would work
either, if we're all honest, but... I don't know,
if he hugs him? Yeah, but... Tackles him to the
ground? Do you remember how many times they put
people led with a shawed -off shotgun and three
vodka Molotov cocktails? Whatever, it's fine.
Okay, I've got some. I've got more than you this
time, which is a big deal. Because I always lose
on figuring out which lines I like best. So there's
Max, which is after the end of the live read
that we did together to Holly. She says, and
personally, I think the use of hot is a bit ironic,
but people say I'm too negative. I just think
I'm honest. So good. Going back to the moment
we talked about with Stephen and Dustin. Good
thing we're not too conspicuous. And then they
look up at the satellite. So good. Another Steve
line. Gates. The gates are kind of like peanut
butter boppers, right? What? The outside is like
crunchy and tough, but then you bite down on
it and it gives way to a gooey, creamy core.
Thank you, Steve. Excellent. And then after that,
it's Dustin going, it's not going to work. It's
not going to work. It's not a bopper. Stop. It's
not a bopper. I was just made my wife and I crack
up so much. So notably, I will for our first
time talk about the lack of a line, which is
just in the Stranger Things trailer. They have
this Vecna line where it says, you're going to
help me one last time. And I went back and I
rewatched Will meets Vecna. That line is not
said during that entire discourse. So either
it was removed or what I think is more likely
it is being said by Vecna to somebody else. I
think. in this particular moment to the Mind
Flayer, but who knows. I just realized I have
another question. Okay, go for it. And now I'm
angry about it. Why does Vecna just let Will
live? This is the biggest plot armor moment that
the show has ever had, in my opinion. He walks
away from Will with Will alive. He doesn't think
he's a threat. That's the answer. Secondly, why
does he leave Joyce alive? He throws Joyce. Yeah.
But he is in the middle of killing a bunch of
people. Right. And instead of killing her, and
she's like approaching him and yelling at him
and threatening and he just tosses her aside.
Yeah. The other people aren't a threat to him
either. She is not a threat to him. He's fine.
He's getting shot at up the wazoo and he's fine.
I wonder if it's because he's still healing.
Like he's still vulnerable. And so he only has
a certain amount of time that he feels comfortable
being out there. I think really it's plot armor.
And the fact that he is, first of all, he throws
her to the side. He doesn't really care about
her. So I think that there's just a certain disregard
about her. So he does do damage. It's just like
not as much damage as one would think. She's
like 46 and five foot three. So she should, maybe
she should die. Maybe it's what he's thinking.
But Will is specifically like. Voldemort would
have had a cadaver that hairy right then and
there. There's nothing helping him. What is happening?
So I don't know. Maybe it's just that he's like,
William, not a threat. But who knows? Also, on
the, sorry, my last thing on the Joyce thing
is I did think she was going to die then. That
was her moment. She's defending her boy. And
she's been kind of benched and he's now in the
field. And her only purpose for this whole season
has been that she's been helicoptering mom him
away from everything. Yeah. And I don't really
know what they're going to do with character.
I'm excited to see it because I love Joyce and
I love Winona Ryder, but we'll see. But I thought
so too. Don't stop that card deck. Get ready
to shuffle. It's our Joker category. For who
on earth are we going to pick for MVP of these
four episodes? Robin Will? Robin Will? Honorable
mention. Okay, pound for pound, the Wheeler parents.
Honorable mention to Mike, just because he's
been great, and I feel like we've done so much
Mike hatred that he deserves an honorable mention
here. Honorable mention to Holly, as well, just
for not losing her mind in all of this. LVP for
Jonathan specifically, but also kind of Joyce,
but more Jonathan. Because what has he really
done other than be hurt about Steve and not go
out of his way to be exactly what Nancy needs
and who he is instead of just competing against
Steve's game? Yeah. He's just been like part
of the plan. That's it. There's never been a
real Jonathan moment. Maybe this is the big thing.
He took over for Dustin. And did an okay job
about it. Great. Fantastic. I will say, the fact
that these two are benched make me really worried
for Will in the second half, because... Yeah.
Kind of like when the crawl was like, here's
how the crawl goes. And it's like, okay, so that
means it's going to go poorly because you're
spending so much time telling us beforehand how
it goes right instead of showing us. So therefore,
it's going to have to go wrong. And we need to
know right now what's going on right. And I kind
of feel it's the same sort of energy for the
buyers where it's like, and Will was benched
all last season because he's so important this
season. And it's like, Jonathan and Joyce are
kind of benched this season so that their part
is coming. Yeah. Yikes. Who do you want for MVP?
Honestly, we've never done a split MVP. I think
we have to, though. This is like a 2008 NBA All
-Star game when they split between Kobe and Shaq
because they didn't want to pick. And I just
hate it. I'm going to make a case. Okay, then
here it is. Here it is. Okay. It's Will. Okay,
I was just going to say it's Robin. Go for it.
Go for it. Make your Will case. So I think it's
Will because Robin and Will are kind of, you
know, the dream team for a little while. They
have... The plan of figuring out what's going
on with what Will is seeing, and they go to the
school, and they find out where he was, what
his vision was of, and that it was Holly he was
seeing through the eyes of. They figure out who
the next victim is going to be, and then... They
have some really great moments where they're
being slightly more open with each other. And
Will is more comfortable asking questions of
Robin about relationships and how do you know
and how do you know what's right. And Robin picks
up on some hints from Will about Mike and then
is able to then give him the speech, which he
then. listens to, internalizes, and then acts
upon. So I think it's very, very close for Robin,
but then it turns into Will taking her advice
and then acting upon it. And I think that that's
what gives him the edge, is that he does the
actionable thing, which impacts the story in
the end. She sets him up for it, but he then
follows through. I could be totally convinced
of this, and I don't really see a reason why
you're wrong. The argument for Robin, I think,
which you've touched upon, is like, okay, so
Robin is the person that gives Will the ability
to fully realize his powers. Without Robin, we
do not get those powers. And if Robin was a smaller
character, I would say pound for pound, it's
Robin. Because of that huge moment. It's very
Dr. Clark -y in season one, where it's like...
Dr. Clark just gave all this extremely important
information that now Dustin gives us in the next
couple of seasons instead of Mr. Clark. I will
say, the whole other side of Robin is that Robin
has been entertaining and keeping the spirits
up for 500 days before this. Robin has been working
as the disc jockey for Hawkins. She's a local
celebrity at this point. She's rocking Robin.
Like, is so concerned. And she's like, turn on
the radio, we gotta listen, it's started already.
She's just so excited for any of that. And so
there's this very intentional community work
that Robin has been doing this whole time, which
I don't want to go unnoticed. And so that's why
I think Robin, ultimately, it's, first of all,
without her, Will doesn't do anything. Including
save Robin's life. And if I was arguing that
it was Will instead of Robin, I'd be like, okay,
we just, we don't have any more Robin without
Will. But also if Robin had died, I'd be like,
this is the last opportunity to give it to Robin.
So it's got to be Robin. So I, I'm leaning a
bit towards Robin because of all this good community
work that she's doing. Also, like she sacrificed
her date a bunch of time and she's probably going
to die now because she has a date at Enzo's,
which you just should never do. Yeah, this is
very true. She's supposed to have a date at Enzo's,
which is just, as soon as she said that, I just
went, eh, she's not making that date. Yeah. Never.
I still think it's Will, though. Okay, we'll
give it to Will. But I mark my words, if Will
gets it the next episode and Robin dies... We'll
retcon. We'll retcon. Deal. Clean your evil air
and get ready for our I was the turkey all along
category. What is the biggest takeaway viewers
should leave with in preparation for volume two
of Stranger Things season five? First and foremost,
Will has powers, especially when he's connected,
so connected to the hive mind. So the closer
he gets to Vecna, the more his powers become.
We'll see if that continues with him fully realizing
his powers, or if now that he's fully realized
them, he just kind of gets to do whatever he
wants. Number two, Vecna wants children. Specifically
for the Mind Flayer's weird gate opening, whatever's
happening there plan. But it's because of how
Will broke, in air quotes, so easily when he
was taken back four years ago. And lastly, Vecna.
Super afraid of the cave. Because that's where
he met the Mind Flayer. Today's public service
announcement. Never go in caves. They're full
of evil and things that make you evil. Provided
by the state of Nevada. Excellent read. I really
liked it. Thank you for knowing exactly what
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the Duthor brothers. The Duthor. Either the Duthor.
Harry being the snake is very much Will being
the Demodorgan. Great Scott and Flux Capatitor.
Flux Capatitor. There's the. I do. I was very.
Okay. Sorry. I'm so overwhelmed with like all
my thoughts. They're just jumbling. I know. I
same. And also the 28th anniversary of the Knight
Henry Queel. Queel. And 28th and the... Again,
once run by Bob Newdy. I can do B's, I promise.
It's potentially just really bringing... I think
that potentially it's... I say potentially a
lot in this episode. Everything's potential.
I mean, yeah. I just need a new word. I need
a thesaurus. There are... sorry sorry to interrupt
you i just i just the sorest potentially and
just pasted 35 different words in the talk oh
my gosh you did do 35 you did i only saw like
the first five but then i looked over at you
and you just had this like ah I did a thing.
I did funny, yes? Keep your horses safe. I'm
gonna... Oh my god. Man, you came in with the
lowest energy I've ever heard of. Keep your horses
safe. It's the I'm gonna make him an offer he's
going to bed with. See, I'm going to make him
some tea he can fall asleep to. I'm going to
tuck him in with a little pillow. What just happened?
You know how I opened up a thesaurus? Yeah. It
took this long to play its automatic ad. And
so this old school alarm bell and some 80s hip
hop just came on. I was like, can I kick? I'm
like, where is this coming from? I haven't opened
up any new pages. I closed out Clone Wars. Anyways,
I'm so sorry.