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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. And welcome

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to our guest and executive producer, Aurelia

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Lieb. Tell us about yourself, Aurelia. Hello

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again. This is the first time on the pod that

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I have appeared and I am talking with you guys.

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Yes, well, the previous time where I've like

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radioed in and had to wait until I could listen

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to the episode to hear what it all sounded like.

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So this is a new experience to be with you guys.

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Yeah, I guess for those who haven't picked up

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from my previous appearances, I am German. as

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you can usually hear from my accent. I live in

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the UK, so I'm very far away from those two,

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unfortunately. But happily today talking about

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a shared trip with Sam that we did in London.

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Yes. So I traveled all the long way to London

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and Sam just, you know, came to short trip from

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San Francisco. So excited to talk to you about

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that today. And I guess how I got into Stranger

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Things is... It was the most biggest show when

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it came out for season one. I feel like everyone

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was talking about it. And I was a bit hesitant

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at first because I am not very good with horror

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stuff. Like I'm usually very afraid very quickly,

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especially like jump scares. I'm like, get me

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every time. But luckily the show is not really

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full of jump scares. There's not really that

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much jump scares actually going on. I think in

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like four seasons, there's maybe two. Yeah. I

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think so. yeah so so i gave it a try and i was

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like immediately sucked in i think i watched

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season one within the weekend like nice started

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saturday finished sunday classic i've seen this

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now yeah and so i've like was hooked from from

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that moment really yeah well welcome to the live

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pod we're very very excited to have you and talk

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all about the play and london it will be essentially

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two and a half hours just talking about london

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and then we'll actually get to the stranger things

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stuff so if you don't hear that it means brit

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has cut that and we'll be putting it uh nowhere

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for you guys to listen to it's gone forever it's

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a big bummer because we had some really important

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things about the politics of london the history

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of london all of that stuff today's episode we

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will be quintessentially quipping about Stranger

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Things the play, The First Shadow, and our predictions

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for Season 5. So without further ado, we will,

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as Roger Smith says, dive on in. Sierra, check

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the patient! Does it have a pulse? Quick, let's

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do a status check on our favorite Stranger Things

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fandom. Number one question out there. Is Stranger

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Things in a good spot right now? Right before

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season five comes out? That's a great question.

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I think it could be better. I think they've done

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a pretty good job of spacing out the release

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of the new information and the posters and the

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teasers and the trailers and getting the hype

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back up. I think there's definitely a section

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of people who watched. the earlier seasons and

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are now kind of going, is it done yet? Didn't

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they finish it? And so I think the big gap is

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difficult to overcome. I'm still excited, but

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I don't necessarily know that that is a widespread

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thing. You know, as Aurelia was saying, season

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one was huge and so hyped up and so many people

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were watching and it was everywhere and merch

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was everywhere and all that. And I feel that

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it is. dimmed yeah but hopefully this will revitalize

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it at least to carry through all the release

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of season five maybe a little bit into the new

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year but i don't i don't know that it necessarily

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could go anywhere after that except for rewatches

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and whatnot but it'll really depend on how it

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ends as we've seen before with other phantoms

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yeah absolutely yeah I think a question to you

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guys, since you're in America and Halloween is

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like a big thing and at time of recording, this

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is just after Halloween. Well, like, did you

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see lots of people dress up as Stranger Things

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characters? Was a lot of Stranger Things -ness

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going on since, you know, it works quite well

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with Halloween? No, it was all K -pop Demon Hunter

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this year. Wow. Yeah. I mean, and I'm in the

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Bay Area, so K -pop is enormous in the Bay Area.

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I mean, I know it's big everywhere, but I find

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it's particularly big on the West Coast states.

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And so, I mean, obviously there's a lot of Star

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Wars. There's just a lot of Darth Vader, a lot

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of Darth Maul, a lot of Jedis in general. And

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that's been big in the States for, I mean, really

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probably since the original trilogy. It was certainly

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huge when I was growing up in the 90s and aughts.

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But K -pop Demon Hunter, I'd say, was the big

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thing. And then after that, I would say Star

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Wars and then anime. So just different anime

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characters all throughout. I did not see much

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Stranger Things. You know, there's those easy,

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quick Netflix, not Netflix, Target Stranger Things

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costumes, like the Demogorgon and Vecna. And

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I didn't see a single one this time. That doesn't

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mean they're not out there. There were a lot,

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very few of them at Target when I was there during

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October. um but yeah and for those who are international

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targets a big giant store in the states uh like

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walmart but less evil somehow because i i um

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i find that interesting because um it would seem

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to lend itself to that but it probably speaks

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to how much of uh you know how much of the fandom

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has dropped around it that people seem to be

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less, you know, into it. Yeah. Or as you say,

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Sierra, some, some don't even realize there's

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another season coming. They're like, Oh, is that

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still going? Yeah. I think that's, that's been

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the biggest thing about doing this pod is, you

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know, explaining to people that are around you.

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Oh yeah. You know, Sierra and I are on a new

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podcast. We, we've stepped away from three broomsticks.

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We'll be permanently, you know, leaving in April,

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et cetera, et cetera. What are you guys doing

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now? Oh, we're doing stranger things. Oh yeah.

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We're preparing for season five. Oh, there's

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a fifth season coming out. And these are people

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who have watched it, right? And I don't know

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how many people I've talked to that have dropped

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off. They dropped off after season one, or they

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dropped off after season two. Most of them dropped

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off after season three because they didn't hear

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great things about season four, which I think

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is a mix of the one desert storyline that Sierra

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and I have hounded, you know, being easily complained

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about, but also the nature of fandom discourse

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online. With these big fandoms is that anytime

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that there's room for criticism, that criticism

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is heard much more than any of the other good

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things, right? Like Eddie Munson, I would say

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is one of the best things that Stranger Things

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has come up with. His character and his storyline

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is phenomenal. At the same time. The desert storyline

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is one of the worst things that Stranger Things

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has done, maybe on the same level as the Chicago

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story in season two. But we heard way more about

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this season sucks than we did this season's awesome,

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I felt, during the fourth season. And then there's

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just a huge throng of people who were like, the

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kids are too old now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that

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is... A bit of a silly argument, because any

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time you do a YA thing, it will just take you

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longer to produce it and create it than people

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age. The Percy Jackson cast is going to have

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that same problem, because they're already older

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than their characters now. And there's only the

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second season's coming in December, so there's

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three more to go. So I wonder if season four

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was the first time they split the release, haven't

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they? Because they did half of it and then...

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It's because they lost the battle to Game of

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Thrones at one point. They were like, no, we're

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committed to the Netflix model of putting it

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all out there. And I've already said this on

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the pod, so I'll be quick about it. But essentially,

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Game of Thrones was weak every week. So you got

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to talk about that way longer. Stranger Things

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ruled for its one week. And then didn't do anything.

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So they just decided to own the holidays. And

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anybody that's doing a fandom podcast is like,

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I guess I just won't see my family on Thanksgiving

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or on Christmas or New Year's Eve night. So that's

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fun. Thanks for that, Netflix. It will be fun.

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And I do think the hype will be back up when

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the show starts. But it's a fairly tepid. intro

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I think right now I you know a month ago I would

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have said man I think they're in trouble but

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I think as to your point Sierra with sort of

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the slow release of here's a still image here's

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a little trailer here's a poster they've they've

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started to amp back up a little bit and you're

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starting to hear some chatter interestingly enough

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um in my classrooms which I you know I won't

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talk about students ever anything like that on

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the pod but I will talk about my practice here

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I we do like these little fandom uh, groups.

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So as a class, you choose a fandom and then you,

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I split you off into different, uh, teams and

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you get to name your, your team based off of

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the fandom that you're in. One of the, one out

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of the four did choose stranger things. So it's

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not completely gone. And there are people familiar

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with it among the teenagers. But it was a lot

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less than it was five years ago when I was, you

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know, in the classroom and people were loving

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it, right? Pre -COVID, it was huge. Then when

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season three and season four came out, or when

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season four came out, it was really big for like

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two months. So we'll see. Yeah. I just, I was

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just thrown for a loop because you casually said

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five years ago pre -COVID and I... Had a little

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bit of a mind explosion moment. We are old. We

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are old, Sierra. The other day or last night,

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I explained how the Dodgers won the World Series.

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And it's the first time since 2000 that anybody's

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repeated winning the World Series. The Yankees

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did it three times in a row from 98 to 2000.

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And my wife goes, well, that's not that long

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ago. And I went, well. Baseball's World Series

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era started in 1901. It's 2025, so that's one

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-fifth of baseball's history since it was repeated.

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And my wife was just like, I feel old. Doesn't

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feel that long ago, 2000. Oh! One -fifth of baseball's

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entire history? What? Anyways. Yeah. Back to

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Stranger Things. Question number two. So we'll

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get into predictions and all that stuff after

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we talk about the play, but what are you guys'

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hopes for season five? I hope it devastates me.

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Same. Okay. I think it will. I'm a bit worried

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that everything that we hear about is every episode

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is like two hours. And I'm a bit like, I hope

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it's good two hours and not, you know. fill it

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out with yes carrying on yeah because because

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if it is just getting very tedious that could

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be another thing where people just drop off after

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trying to watch the first episode and they'll

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be like wow this is like gonna be two hours each

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episode this is just too much the duffer brothers

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did say they they hadn't seen anything online

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that was the that was accurate to the actual

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run times so i think that the the The run times

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will be quite a bit shorter than that. I think

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we'll probably hit the one hour to one and a

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half hour marks with everything except for the

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finale. Yeah. I mean, I don't mind if they're

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good episodes for two hours. Yeah. I'm not complaining

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about the length of it, but I'm just worried

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that sometimes, you know, creators are a bit

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too hesitant to cut. Yes, that's true. I'll be

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interested too to see, well, and like the way

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that you cut it. Right. Because sometimes you

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cut stuff and it's so clear. Oh, no, you cut

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a huge amount of dialogue or this storyline because

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you cut a scene that was not that great, but

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it had integral information. Suddenly you're

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like, well, now the storyline kind of sucks.

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Yeah. So we'll see. I think so far with Stranger

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Things, we haven't seen too much of that where

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it's pretty clear that. something was left out

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or that something was filmed and never made it

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into the final. So I have good hopes that the

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editing team stays strong and we'll be able to

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carry us through to the end without us feeling

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like we're missing something. Yeah, I think I

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have high hopes in the Duffer brothers knowing

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how to tell the story. Yeah, me too. Very much,

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very much high hopes. I hope we get a lot more

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exploration of Will. Sierra and I talked a lot

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about how Will's benched in season four. He's

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just such a minor character. And it was interesting

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because the discourse was a lot about how people

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were sad about Mike being benched and versus

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he's not nearly as integral to the actual like

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Vecna storyline and the upside down and everything.

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But Will being benched was really quite. A shocker

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to me because it feels like this show has really

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been about Will. And then Sierra and I read this

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article where the Duffer Brothers were like,

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no, this show is about Will. And Sierra, you

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texted me. Do you remember what you said? Yeah,

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I just go, it is. Why did you bench him all of

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season four? Because that was a response to like.

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justice for barb and how one of the duffer brothers

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was like quite annoyed that people were that

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interested in barb's character and it was like

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well yeah of course like she was an innocent

00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.320
victim at the very beginning people want justice

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for barb this show's about will it is the thing

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is you could say that for season one Because

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he's not around for most of season one because

00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.299
he's trapped in the Upside Down. But at least

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it's a lot more about him, right? In that season.

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It's a lot more about where is he and how do

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we find him? And yeah, the actor is not featured

00:15:02.179 --> 00:15:05.480
very much, but Will's presence is huge in that

00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:08.860
season. For season four, it's like, I drew this

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one painting. It's for somebody special. Oh,

00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.799
it's Mike. Oh, I'm clearly in love with Mike.

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Mike, you're the heart. And that's it. That's

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the storyline. Yeah. justice for my boy justice

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for will now excellent i'm sure you'll get it

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i'm sure you'll get it i'm sure i will just i'm

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sure i will from just what uh the actor has said

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in his cagey interviews yeah i it's going to

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be a lot absolutely just both good and bad i'm

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surprised they're letting I'm surprised they're

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letting Noah Schnapp near any interviews. He's

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about as good with spoilers as Tom Holland is.

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Right? Yeah, or Mark Ruffalo, my goodness. Man.

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Yeah. So what are our concerns about season five?

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What do we fear may happen? I think in general,

00:16:07.169 --> 00:16:10.090
the concern with any show that has a cast that

00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:14.049
feels like 20 main characters is like, how are

00:16:14.049 --> 00:16:15.919
they going to... Because they would have to split

00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.279
them up into groups and stuff, which is what

00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.519
happened in season four, where one group was

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in the desert. But because otherwise you can't

00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.539
keep track of all of them. Because that is, I

00:16:27.539 --> 00:16:32.360
think, where it could get weird. Everyone's in

00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.440
Hawkins now, but you have to split them up deliberately.

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Otherwise, it'll be so confusing. Yeah. Right.

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I fear that the stakes will not be high enough.

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I hope that's not the case. And I think our predictions

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later on will show that we don't actually believe

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that that will be the case. But I do have concerns

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that this sounds so weird, but that not enough

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people are going to die. Game of Thrones style.

00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:08.759
Exactly, because I remember we did death pools

00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:13.819
for the final season of Game of Thrones. Everybody

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was saying who they thought would survive and

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who they thought would die. And anybody who was

00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:20.119
like, oh yeah, all of these people are going

00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.880
to die, lost. Lost, for sure. Because not enough

00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.180
people died. And so far with Stranger Things,

00:17:27.380 --> 00:17:30.200
people who have died are people we didn't know

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for long enough or weren't the main characters.

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I think the closest we got was with the injury

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and Max. Max, yeah, certainly. That's the closest

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we've gotten. We've obviously had to fake out

00:17:47.190 --> 00:17:49.670
with Hopper, but then we very quickly learned

00:17:49.670 --> 00:17:53.210
Hopper's not dead. And Mike was almost killed

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by a serial killer in season one. Jumped off

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a cliff. People who die is like Bob, who's high

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and dead. And then you have people like Eddie

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who get a whole season, but still. as an audience

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and especially if you haven't read the book like

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you barely know eddie yeah yeah for real and

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also i i just hope that we find out that eddie's

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first name is bartholomew or or bob or something

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because we had barb and then bob and then billy

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those are the three big deaths and then they

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were like what about betty and it was like no

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not betty eddie no you've ruined the beef His

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name is Bedward. Bedward. People have taken that

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and they're like, so Byers. I'm like, but that's

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a last name. That's a last name. I don't know

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that it works the same way. In fact, they all

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go by their middle names and it's actually Byers

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Joyce Byers, Byers Jonathan Byers, and Byers

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William Byers. It's interesting because he could

00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:08.299
shorten William to Bill, so. Yeah. Oh, no. I

00:19:08.299 --> 00:19:11.039
want to start getting the last shot of Stranger

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Things. It's just, I want to go by Bill, and

00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:21.240
then he just dies of cardiac arrest. Great. Excellent.

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Last question here. Where do Stranger Things

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go at the end of season five? I really hope nowhere.

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Yeah. Yeah. I really like. When we can tell a

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story and we can end a story and it's one contained

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thing and then we can enjoy it. And you can rewatch

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it and you can continue to love the characters

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and be in that world. And we don't feel the need

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to have spinoff after spinoff after side information

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and end up with no. How could we have known?

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I am rooting for a five -hour and two -part sequel

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play. It's worked out so well the last time.

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It did. It did work out well the last time. And

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also a movie franchise that goes three deep on

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a five -plan movie and then fails. That would

00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:21.559
be good, too. I also hope nowhere. And, like,

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I don't think it'll go anywhere anytime soon

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because the Duffer Brothers have signed away

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from that. netflix they're they're working on

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paramount now and they said the reason why they

00:20:30.470 --> 00:20:32.509
moved over is because they wanted to do theatrical

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film releases and become yeah movie writers which

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there's been a lot of reporting back and forth

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about will the stranger things finale be in theaters

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or not and some some reporting says yes it will

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be in theaters and then the rest will say no

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and then there's speculation that the duffer

00:20:51.049 --> 00:20:53.369
brothers walked away because they won't allow

00:20:53.369 --> 00:20:57.430
them to do They just want to be on the app itself.

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So I think nowhere anytime soon, certainly. But

00:21:02.569 --> 00:21:05.470
I just think in this age right now of trying

00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:09.109
to find identifiable IPs, just the entertainment

00:21:09.109 --> 00:21:12.670
industry is so obsessed with something that's

00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:15.430
already been established, which means you can't

00:21:15.430 --> 00:21:17.670
get a Stranger Things. You can't get a Star Wars

00:21:17.670 --> 00:21:23.359
unless it's already been produced. Um, so because

00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.799
they need to find the book or the short story

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or the video game or something that's already

00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:30.700
people already paying for. And so they're doing

00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:33.839
that. So with that being the case, I just feel

00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:38.519
like they have this huge IP. The merches sells

00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:43.359
well. I remember, uh, there was, uh, my wife

00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:45.099
and I were fortunate enough one time to be in

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Paris and there was a giant stranger things experience

00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.539
going on there. And there was a. line way way

00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:56.279
down the the sidewalk during carnival like here's

00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.140
this huge carnival parade going down and there's

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a huge throng of people waiting for the stranger

00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:04.740
things experience and you know that was a cool

00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:06.619
experience you got to walk into the buyer's living

00:22:06.619 --> 00:22:08.880
room and go to the star court mall and go to

00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.559
the arcade center so i just think with this huge

00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:14.160
ip there's no way they're going to let it rest

00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.549
certainly during our lifetime It will be brought

00:22:16.549 --> 00:22:18.470
back, just like everything else has. I mean,

00:22:18.509 --> 00:22:20.750
we're already redoing Harry Potter. Superman's

00:22:20.750 --> 00:22:24.890
on its, like, 27th reiteration. They won't let

00:22:24.890 --> 00:22:26.549
things die. So I think at some point we do get

00:22:26.549 --> 00:22:29.529
something. I hope it's never a remake. Yeah.

00:22:29.630 --> 00:22:32.509
I don't think that this story needs to be remade,

00:22:32.529 --> 00:22:34.630
because it is its originalness, right? It's not

00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:36.529
like the Harry Potter stuff, where even if you

00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:39.089
disagree that it needs to be remade, at least

00:22:39.089 --> 00:22:41.079
there's stuff. To pull from the originals that

00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:42.440
they didn't know the first time through, et cetera,

00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:45.460
et cetera. Right. But like with Star Wars, I

00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:47.319
hope we never remake episodes four through six

00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.720
or any of the original material. And I hope the

00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:53.359
same thing here. But I do foresee, I don't know,

00:22:53.380 --> 00:22:56.740
maybe they do a 90s Stranger Things, but this

00:22:56.740 --> 00:22:59.460
time they pick one of the big four areas that

00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:01.539
gets a lot of film time. So they'll either put

00:23:01.539 --> 00:23:03.900
it in New York or California or Texas or New

00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:06.329
England or something that's like. Not Hawkins,

00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:08.769
Indiana. Or they'll stick to the old ruinous,

00:23:08.789 --> 00:23:10.210
which would be great. And we'll end up in like

00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:14.730
Duluth, Minnesota. But I do see at some point

00:23:14.730 --> 00:23:16.470
them being like, okay, we're going to do 90s

00:23:16.470 --> 00:23:18.650
nostalgia now. And then 10 years after that,

00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:21.309
we're going to do aughts nostalgia. And that

00:23:21.309 --> 00:23:23.990
one's going to be, you know, in San Diego or

00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:27.029
whatever. I do. It's quite interesting because

00:23:27.029 --> 00:23:30.569
it is already not just a show. I mean, we're

00:23:30.569 --> 00:23:32.990
here right now to talk about a play that exists.

00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:37.460
I've frantically read seven books for this podcast.

00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:39.279
Yes, thank you. Thank you again. There's already

00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:43.539
stuff that has branched out from the show. So

00:23:43.539 --> 00:23:46.619
while there might not be another Netflix show

00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:50.019
soon, there could be more of those sort of things.

00:23:50.539 --> 00:23:54.259
I just hope they don't do what Friends did. And,

00:23:54.259 --> 00:23:56.859
you know, Friends, massively popular sitcom,

00:23:56.980 --> 00:23:58.880
and then they released the Joey Tribbiani show,

00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:01.559
which I love Matt LeBlanc. But I wasn't a huge

00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:03.160
fan of that show and I didn't see why it was

00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.819
necessary. Or even stuff like... Oh, I liked

00:24:06.819 --> 00:24:09.740
it. I'm so glad you did. I'm so glad you did.

00:24:09.740 --> 00:24:14.160
I thought it was very fun. It did feel very different,

00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:16.140
though. It almost felt like it was a completely

00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:18.200
different character who just also happened to

00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.019
be named Joey. And look like Matt LeBlanc and

00:24:21.019 --> 00:24:23.420
have all the same characters in his life. Exactly.

00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.400
But it did feel very, very different. I think

00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:31.079
partially... Why it felt so different is because

00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.980
of the setting. The filming on the sets that

00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:40.579
they did for Joey is very much a different style

00:24:40.579 --> 00:24:43.500
than what they were doing for Friends. And so

00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.759
I think it was a little bit more obvious. There's

00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.839
certain shows where I look at it and I go, I

00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.779
know that this is an indoor set that's supposed

00:24:52.779 --> 00:24:55.519
to be outside, but I know they're in a soundstage.

00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:58.849
And that's how very much how that felt. Well,

00:24:58.849 --> 00:25:00.950
and also, like, I don't know why I keep bringing

00:25:00.950 --> 00:25:03.269
up 90s sitcoms. I hope they don't do what they

00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:06.470
did with the nanny in the 90s, which there's

00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:09.910
this whole huge romantic story about her as the

00:25:09.910 --> 00:25:11.730
nanny of these two children falling in love with

00:25:11.730 --> 00:25:14.250
the master of the house. And eventually, spoilers

00:25:14.250 --> 00:25:16.349
for a show that's 30 years old, they get married.

00:25:16.509 --> 00:25:21.809
And then they do a second season when all those

00:25:21.809 --> 00:25:24.069
actors go, well, we kind of like the paycheck

00:25:24.069 --> 00:25:26.809
and we'd like to come back. and not a second

00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:30.589
season they do like a whole second show and it's

00:25:30.589 --> 00:25:32.470
just like oh they've gotten divorced and now

00:25:32.470 --> 00:25:34.369
the nanny's dating this young thing and he's

00:25:34.369 --> 00:25:35.849
really jealous and he's trying to get i hope

00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:38.150
we just don't get stuff like that and i kind

00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:40.809
of hope that we don't i i like house of dragons

00:25:40.809 --> 00:25:44.930
quite a bit but i there's something about when

00:25:44.930 --> 00:25:49.190
a big franchise does a spinoff and isn't immediately

00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:52.779
as successful as the first thing, that feels

00:25:52.779 --> 00:25:54.680
like a bit of a letdown. So even though I like

00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:58.259
House of Dragons, it's not like I'm that interested

00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:00.799
in making a podcast about it or talking about

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.319
it that vociferously. It's sort of in a different

00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.119
category of television. So if they do something

00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.059
with Stranger Things, I hope that it is with

00:26:10.059 --> 00:26:12.900
enough time in between and well thought through

00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:15.400
and not just gotta keep going, gotta keep going,

00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.319
gotta keep going. Yeah, I hope so as well. And

00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.180
I think It's hard to tell because they're being

00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:26.319
very cagey about everything to keep season five

00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.400
under wraps, but it does feel like the actors

00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.759
are ready to move on as well. And so I would

00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.539
hope that that also means that we're not getting

00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:37.539
any sort of direct spinoff with existing characters.

00:26:38.420 --> 00:26:44.420
Here's Justin and Dart. Oh my gosh, no. As you

00:26:44.420 --> 00:26:46.519
say, maybe we'll get a 90s something somewhere,

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.339
but I hope that it's just in the same world.

00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.900
in the same universe, and it's completely separate.

00:26:53.019 --> 00:26:57.180
I feel like those are more often better received.

00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:01.940
Yeah. I think it all depends how all of those

00:27:01.940 --> 00:27:05.099
actors, especially the kids, who are definitely

00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:09.000
no longer kids, how they're now progressing in

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.500
their career. I get the sense that we're getting

00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:15.799
another reboot of Scrubs or whatever. It's not

00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.920
a reboot, but a continuation of Scrubs just because

00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.339
every one of those actors seems to be bored and

00:27:21.339 --> 00:27:26.359
wants to do it. That's my perception. Scrubs

00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.799
coming back. But I feel like if at least two

00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:32.859
or three of those actors had other better things

00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:36.619
to do, it wouldn't happen. I feel like, you know,

00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.059
in... In 15 years, we may get Max and Lucas don't

00:27:41.059 --> 00:27:45.480
live in Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, and they

00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.720
have two children and those children are getting

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.779
into this and like they become the Joyce and

00:27:50.779 --> 00:27:53.680
Hopper. That's a possibility, certainly. But

00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.140
I feel like that's far enough away that I don't

00:27:57.140 --> 00:28:00.420
have to think about it for very long. Yeah. Cool.

00:28:00.859 --> 00:28:03.279
Well, before we get to the nitty gritty schmitty

00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:08.460
of season five, we welcome. Oreo and Sam to provide

00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:14.319
us with vital information that we need to know.

00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:17.779
Welcome, both of you who have already been here.

00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:23.539
Please give me and our listeners the integral

00:28:23.539 --> 00:28:28.039
information about Stranger Things, the play,

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:31.410
First Shadow. I just imagine both of us taking

00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:34.650
out, like, these huge walkie -talkies and, like,

00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:36.410
pulling out the antennas and being like, Can

00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:39.930
you hear us? See us? And it's an immediate feedback

00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:45.130
loop. Oh, God. Yeah, I'm right here. What's with

00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:49.289
the walkie -talkie? Copy. Do you copy? I'm right

00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:57.589
here. Yes. The play. The play. Oh, gosh. The

00:28:57.589 --> 00:29:01.089
play. First of all, The play is a wonderful thing.

00:29:01.269 --> 00:29:03.690
It was in London first. That's where it started.

00:29:03.829 --> 00:29:08.109
It was in London last Christmas season. And I

00:29:08.109 --> 00:29:11.730
was excited to see it. I knew it was a little

00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:15.410
bit about Henry Creel. And when I was out studying

00:29:15.410 --> 00:29:18.109
at Oxford this summer, Aurelia and I were planning

00:29:18.109 --> 00:29:21.470
a day to meet finally in person. And we were

00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:24.049
like, let's go see a play together. And we had

00:29:24.049 --> 00:29:28.690
just sort of launched this idea. Stranger Things.

00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:31.029
We were working on what's now our second season,

00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:32.750
and we'll tell you guys what that is at the end

00:29:32.750 --> 00:29:35.529
of this whole shebang. Not this podcast, but

00:29:35.529 --> 00:29:40.369
at the Stranger Things podcast. And so I was

00:29:40.369 --> 00:29:45.130
like, hey, should we do work while we watch this

00:29:45.130 --> 00:29:47.650
play and go and see Stranger Things? And really,

00:29:47.769 --> 00:29:50.349
thankfully, it was like, yeah. And I will just

00:29:50.349 --> 00:29:52.089
say this one thing. First of all, I'm glad that

00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:54.130
the play has finally made it to New York, because

00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:56.549
after this play, Aurelia and I were both like,

00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.460
How are you supposed to watch season five without

00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:03.640
having seen this play? So I was like sitting

00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.480
there being like, is America just going to be

00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.599
like, do they just feel like, oh, Americans don't

00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.660
need this. They're much more easily placated.

00:30:10.299 --> 00:30:13.799
Just the British need this. What's going on?

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.200
It is wild to me that London was chosen as the

00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.700
first location. I mean, I sort of get it from

00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:24.279
like the West End is like obviously a huge thing.

00:30:25.769 --> 00:30:29.329
But famously, the Brits are not that big into

00:30:29.329 --> 00:30:32.650
hyping up fandoms and being excited and all of

00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:34.869
that stuff. If you've ever been to a Comic Con

00:30:34.869 --> 00:30:36.950
anywhere in Europe, you will see that people

00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:40.210
are just very tame. It's nothing like it is in

00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:43.190
America, which is why, to me, but for many reasons,

00:30:43.230 --> 00:30:45.309
it would make much more sense if that play started

00:30:45.309 --> 00:30:47.869
in New York, aside from the show being set in

00:30:47.869 --> 00:30:52.349
America. But yeah, it's one of those things like...

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.539
Yes, Sam, as you said, like we walked out and

00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:56.400
be like, there was so much big information. How

00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.319
are they going to actually make this available

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.140
to anyone else? That's the problem with a play.

00:31:01.299 --> 00:31:04.220
It isn't as accessible. And there's no like,

00:31:04.299 --> 00:31:07.099
you know, it's not what they did with like the

00:31:07.099 --> 00:31:09.200
play that shall not be named where you could

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.400
buy the script. Yeah. You can't with this one.

00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:15.460
So, you know, Sierra's relying on us and the

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:18.160
listeners are relying on us to now tell them

00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.779
what's actually going on in this play. Yeah.

00:31:21.460 --> 00:31:26.740
Absolutely. So the play itself is, just from

00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:29.599
a theater standpoint for a second, is exceptionally

00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.720
well produced. They do this really nice lighting

00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.579
at the beginning that does the red Netflix Stranger

00:31:36.579 --> 00:31:39.180
Things outline while the intro music plays. So

00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.480
while it's doing the do -do -do -do -do -do -do

00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.400
-do -do -do -do -do -do, you get the play and

00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.980
the title and everything. And it was... It was

00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:49.539
interesting because the crowd that we were in

00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:52.440
is not necessarily a theater crowd. The biggest

00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.759
applause were around the fandom stuff. So it

00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.779
was just like, but those applause were electric.

00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.460
So the play started out with like this incredible

00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:05.700
amount of energy as the Stranger Things things

00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:07.660
played. And then there were like theater bits

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:09.480
that the theater people in the room were like,

00:32:09.579 --> 00:32:11.359
oh, wow, that's amazing. And it was electric

00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.799
for those people only. And then the rest of everyone

00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.220
was like, I'm watching a TV show, a live action.

00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.440
It kind of felt like a little bit like when you

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.980
show a teenager a floppy disk from the 90s and

00:32:21.980 --> 00:32:24.539
they go, oh, cool, you 3D printed the save icon.

00:32:25.099 --> 00:32:28.279
That's kind of the way that things felt for this

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:33.220
play. It is true, though, because I think whenever

00:32:33.220 --> 00:32:36.680
you go to a play that's about a popular thing,

00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.339
it obviously does this cool thing where it draws

00:32:40.339 --> 00:32:42.640
people into the theater that otherwise probably

00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.759
would never go to the theater. Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:45.549 --> 00:32:48.109
the wrong you know conception of like what what

00:32:48.109 --> 00:32:51.609
it is what it's like um but like if you've ever

00:32:51.609 --> 00:32:54.130
been to like the theater for more like typical

00:32:54.130 --> 00:32:56.970
especially like british theater if you've seen

00:32:56.970 --> 00:32:59.690
like a shakespeare play like it's a wildly different

00:32:59.690 --> 00:33:02.690
experience because even like modern modern like

00:33:02.690 --> 00:33:04.990
redoing of shakespeare is like nothing compared

00:33:04.990 --> 00:33:08.569
to what we watched there so so many like visual

00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:10.970
effects like there were like loads of practical

00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:13.009
effects that were really well made but like there's

00:33:13.009 --> 00:33:16.029
also loads of like video wall effects and like

00:33:16.029 --> 00:33:18.769
obviously things with like a projector and like

00:33:18.769 --> 00:33:22.769
music and all of that stuff yeah really cool

00:33:22.769 --> 00:33:24.589
stuff like that and i think it's funny there

00:33:24.589 --> 00:33:26.950
was the the storyline's a bit meta too because

00:33:26.950 --> 00:33:29.349
there's it's a there's a play within a play which

00:33:29.349 --> 00:33:33.769
is not very it's not very hamlet but it is certainly

00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:37.299
there And the practical effects, to your point,

00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.519
Aurelia, were like, there's this one scene at

00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.200
the very end where they have a catwalk that people

00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.440
are on. And the catwalk collapses. And the characters

00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:52.420
on it fall backwards in slow motion. And you're

00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:55.079
like, but it's live action, right? It's not.

00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.099
They didn't crank up the camera to do it in slow

00:33:57.099 --> 00:34:00.170
motion. she literally this character literally

00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:03.670
falls in slow motion in front of you and it was

00:34:03.670 --> 00:34:06.269
just like the stage magic was absolutely incredible

00:34:06.269 --> 00:34:08.269
it does remind me of the play that shall not

00:34:08.269 --> 00:34:10.789
be named quite a bit in that regard where you're

00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.210
like wow the the effects that you guys did the

00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:16.489
effort you put in to make magic come to life

00:34:16.489 --> 00:34:19.750
on stage is really really incredible and they

00:34:19.750 --> 00:34:21.550
do break the fourth wall a little bit although

00:34:21.550 --> 00:34:24.610
they open with breaking the fourth wall in this

00:34:24.610 --> 00:34:26.869
stage so like aurelia and i had an actor just

00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:29.929
like run right by us uh because we were right

00:34:29.929 --> 00:34:31.829
on the edge and we were like what the heck is

00:34:31.829 --> 00:34:33.789
happening oh he's got a giant he he actually

00:34:33.789 --> 00:34:36.170
has an enormous walkie talkie that he's using

00:34:36.170 --> 00:34:39.090
in all honesty uh and then they didn't break

00:34:39.090 --> 00:34:41.489
the fourth wall again and that was kind of like

00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:44.570
oh i wanted to be scared by a jump scare of a

00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:48.440
demogorgon right next to me Yeah, because that's

00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.880
the thing. It immediately throws you in. And

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.599
I think the only sort of negative, and this may

00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.800
be because Sam and my age, we were not the target

00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.179
audience of 12 -year -olds. No, we were not.

00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:05.059
I don't know. But it was so loud. I genuinely

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:08.659
felt like my ears were going to die in this theater.

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.059
It's the only play that I've been to where I've

00:35:11.059 --> 00:35:15.289
been like, do I need earplugs? The gun noises,

00:35:15.369 --> 00:35:17.230
like, Sierra, you remember when you and I were

00:35:17.230 --> 00:35:18.929
in the dance that I choreographed at the very

00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:21.210
end and we had that gunshot and they had to turn

00:35:21.210 --> 00:35:23.010
it up a little bit because it sounded like pew

00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:28.269
pew at first. But it was the opposite note here.

00:35:28.409 --> 00:35:33.969
It was like, I've been shot. Somebody targeted

00:35:33.969 --> 00:35:37.010
my eardrums specifically with the tiniest bullet

00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:39.829
known to mankind and like dead shot it into my

00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:43.440
ear. Because that's the thing. The show opens

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:49.119
and it is a prequel. It opens in 1943, so way

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:53.000
before. And the first thing you hear is you're

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.039
in the middle of a war because this is set during

00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.920
World War II because it's 1943. And shots around

00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:03.539
you, army people shouting at you. That was the

00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:07.000
dude that was coming down next to us because

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.519
he was like... basically loudly coming down the

00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.460
stairs and i think i at first was like oh my

00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:15.159
god like the play started who's being annoying

00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.900
and then i was like oh no and why do you have

00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:21.780
to be so loud on the stairs but i was like oh

00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:26.559
no this is like a soldier coming down well like

00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.760
if we are like jumping into the story so like

00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:34.340
is 1943 it's about martin So Dr. Brenner's father.

00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.460
He's the captain of the USS Eldridge. And it

00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:42.920
opens up on the set like you see a huge, huge

00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.139
Navy ship. And it's all about the secret government

00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:49.920
experiments known as Project Rainbow or the Philadelphia

00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.920
Experiment. So what's really neat is this is

00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.019
a real thing that happened. There was an experiment.

00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.420
called the Philadelphia Experiment, with a ship

00:36:59.420 --> 00:37:02.940
using electromagnets to try and do something.

00:37:03.219 --> 00:37:05.400
Now, the major rumors is that it tried to time

00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.019
travel using electromagnetic waves. And they

00:37:08.019 --> 00:37:13.280
use some of the, like, unclassified radio dialogue

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.559
that's from real life in the play. At least that's

00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:17.800
what I've been able to... I haven't verified

00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.340
that, but that is... In general, the discourse

00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:23.139
around a bunch of those lines that are said on

00:37:23.139 --> 00:37:26.500
the radio before it allegedly disappears off

00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.840
the face of the planet. So there's this ship,

00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.360
the USS Eldridge, that apparently disappears

00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.900
using electromagnets and is never seen again,

00:37:33.139 --> 00:37:35.480
which is possible because it might have been

00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.780
that they just fried all of their systems and

00:37:37.780 --> 00:37:40.460
the ship sank. Because if you know what an EMP

00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:43.159
is, it's an electromagnetic pulse and it fries

00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:48.420
everything known to mankind. That's a real thing.

00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:51.079
Now, if some of you are going, well, okay, so

00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:55.420
Dr. Brenner is old in the 70s and early 80s.

00:37:55.420 --> 00:37:59.519
How is his dad in World War II? What I think

00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.039
a lot of people don't realize about World War

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.699
II in the States is that you had a lot of people

00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.940
coming out of being... Being retired from the

00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:06.780
military to come and serve their country. So,

00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.739
for example, my great grandfather, who was in

00:38:09.739 --> 00:38:13.780
his late 40s, early 50s, came back from being

00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:15.920
retired from the Navy in order to help out the

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.599
war effort. So you could absolutely have an old

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.780
retired captain come back into the war to lead.

00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.039
And he is quite old. They give him a fake beard

00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.179
because this actor plays both Dr. Brenner and

00:38:29.179 --> 00:38:33.300
his father. So, you know, you have to distinguish

00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:38.480
the two or else how will the audience know? But

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.860
he is there. So it's a real deal. The Duffer

00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:44.980
Brothers called this show, I think, Montag or

00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:48.380
something of that nature, which was the classified

00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:52.579
document name for this experiment. So yeah, that's

00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:56.440
how we open the ship. vanishes we get like light

00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:59.860
effects and we see demigorgons so obviously we

00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:02.219
as the viewers who know what we're expecting

00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.699
were like oh right the ship disappeared into

00:39:04.699 --> 00:39:09.460
the upside down so that's how that real life

00:39:09.460 --> 00:39:13.619
event is basically tied into the world of Stranger

00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:18.079
Things now and then sort of I've sort of pulled

00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.679
this in chronological order instead of how the

00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.909
play jumps back and forth between things But

00:39:25.909 --> 00:39:28.230
basically what happens, and we don't actually

00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:33.329
fully see this, is on his deathbed, Captain Brenner

00:39:33.329 --> 00:39:35.550
basically tells his son, this is what happened.

00:39:35.670 --> 00:39:37.309
Because he's the only one who survives this.

00:39:37.590 --> 00:39:41.090
So he's the only surviving crew member. And he

00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:43.769
tells his son, look, the whole ship disappeared.

00:39:43.809 --> 00:39:45.849
All of these things happened. And this is where

00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:48.829
basically then Dr. Brenner, that we know, is

00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:50.849
like, okay, I need to find this place. I need

00:39:50.849 --> 00:39:53.150
to find this parallel universe and how to get

00:39:53.150 --> 00:39:55.860
to it. So that is basically the origin story

00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:59.000
as to why Dr. Brenner wants to know about it.

00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:02.559
Which is, I think, quite big information to have.

00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:06.960
Yeah! The only reason why Dr. Brenner is at all

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.900
doing any of this stuff is because his father

00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:12.320
on his deathbed was like, Hey, I went here. Now,

00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:15.260
I believe that also his death is somewhat tied

00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:19.380
to... this experiment so there's something to

00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:21.519
do with his system his body gets messed up because

00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.719
of the travel to the upside down and coming back

00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.260
and it's so then it's interesting that dr brenner

00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:30.119
the dr brenner that we know has lost both his

00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.699
father and his son to the upside down so yeah

00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:39.079
uh we then uh jump to the 1950s we don't know

00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.690
fully where but in Basically, following all of

00:40:42.690 --> 00:40:46.210
this, Dr. Brenner now starts to work on how to

00:40:46.210 --> 00:40:51.289
recreate this experiment and how to get to the

00:40:51.289 --> 00:40:54.369
Upside Down. And this is known as the Nevada

00:40:54.369 --> 00:40:57.610
Experiment. So we're not in Indiana yet. We're

00:40:57.610 --> 00:41:01.769
completely somewhere else in America. We're where

00:41:01.769 --> 00:41:06.789
they are for Nino in Season 4. Yes. Sorry. Thank

00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:09.369
you, Nina. We're, we're in the desert in Nevada,

00:41:09.449 --> 00:41:13.070
not exactly the same place, but, or maybe that's,

00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:15.889
it's unconfirmed, but we are in that state. Exactly.

00:41:17.550 --> 00:41:23.030
So that's basically where that part of the story

00:41:23.030 --> 00:41:25.650
takes place. So we know before Hawkins becomes

00:41:25.650 --> 00:41:28.530
a thing, everything's happening in Nevada, but

00:41:28.530 --> 00:41:32.349
a rogue staff member defected and stole essential

00:41:32.349 --> 00:41:36.150
equipment and hide it, like hit it in like, a

00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:40.150
cave system. And it so happens that the Creel

00:41:40.150 --> 00:41:44.730
family was nearby and their son found it. So

00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:47.289
their son, Henry Creel, which we all know now

00:41:47.289 --> 00:41:49.969
from season four, goes into this cave system,

00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:53.829
finds this equipment. And that's where we then

00:41:53.829 --> 00:41:59.050
see the connection with Henry Creel and the Upside

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:01.389
Down and the Mind Flayer and everything. Because

00:42:01.389 --> 00:42:04.650
from that moment, basically, Henry Creel is corrupted.

00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:08.440
So that's how this all comes to Hawkins, because

00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.019
the Creoles move to Hawkins, and Henry Creole

00:42:11.019 --> 00:42:14.420
brings the Upside Down with him, basically. I

00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:16.639
mean, so essentially the way that they talk about

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.820
it in the play is they're doing all these experiments

00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:22.079
of trying to get to the Upside Down, or to Dimension

00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.400
X specifically. The Upside Down is actually a

00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.260
different thing, and we'll get to what that means

00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:30.320
in a little bit. Dimension X is what we see in

00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.300
Vecna's sort of explanation flashbacks. It's

00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:37.219
that reddish... tan -ish, hued place where he

00:42:37.219 --> 00:42:39.860
meets the Mind Flayer and such. The Upside Down

00:42:39.860 --> 00:42:42.539
is actually a mix of those two. It's where those

00:42:42.539 --> 00:42:45.940
two parallel universes touch, where that connection

00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:49.280
is made. Why it shows Hawkins on the day that

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.599
Will goes missing, we have yet to find out. My

00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.139
hope is that Season 5 will go over it. So Henry

00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:57.900
Creel goes to this Dimension X, and he's lost

00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:00.769
in these case systems for like 12 hours. Or at

00:43:00.769 --> 00:43:03.190
least that's how much time is lost in our world.

00:43:03.289 --> 00:43:06.130
Who knows how long he's there for. But from that

00:43:06.130 --> 00:43:09.789
point on, he can hear the voice of another being.

00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:13.630
And that's the Mind Flayer. So Sierra, I teased

00:43:13.630 --> 00:43:16.590
this a little bit with you last episode, where

00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:19.630
I was like, the Mind Flayer. actually is like

00:43:19.630 --> 00:43:22.210
a lot more sentient than it makes it feel at

00:43:22.210 --> 00:43:24.010
the end of season four. Because at the end of

00:43:24.010 --> 00:43:26.150
season four, it makes it feel like Henry Creel

00:43:26.150 --> 00:43:28.230
meets this giant spider creature and that doesn't

00:43:28.230 --> 00:43:30.289
immediately kill them and they work together

00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:32.010
and Henry Creel is the mastermind of everything.

00:43:32.829 --> 00:43:35.349
I'm not sure that's exactly accurate after this

00:43:35.349 --> 00:43:39.789
play because Henry Creel throughout the entire

00:43:39.789 --> 00:43:43.670
play is battling with himself to not listen.

00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.469
to the Mind Flayer and its corruption. And then,

00:43:47.489 --> 00:43:52.829
of course, we jump to 1959, where we get introduced

00:43:52.829 --> 00:43:59.610
to some familiar, but much younger faces. Aurelia,

00:43:59.650 --> 00:44:02.389
tell us all about it. Because I think, first

00:44:02.389 --> 00:44:05.849
things first, there's a lot of people that then

00:44:05.849 --> 00:44:09.099
walk on stage that are playing. you know, faces

00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:11.739
we've known from the show for a season. But from,

00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:13.739
like, the moment they walk on stage, I was like,

00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.920
oh, yeah, that's Joyce. Easy. Like, she didn't

00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.460
have to, like, be named before I knew that she

00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:24.880
was Joyce. Although, I will say, Sierra, if you

00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.780
were uncomfortable about the way that they portrayed

00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:32.699
Elle in season four, this play starts with a

00:44:32.699 --> 00:44:36.159
25 -year -old Lonnie, first of all. He's 25 years

00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.869
old. And Joyce, who's barely 18 and wearing,

00:44:40.969 --> 00:44:43.969
you guessed it, no shirt. And it was kind of

00:44:43.969 --> 00:44:47.750
like, what? Who authorized this? They're in high

00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:51.650
school still. Just at least give her a shirt.

00:44:51.929 --> 00:44:55.170
This is a play. This isn't HBO. Why are we opening

00:44:55.170 --> 00:44:58.170
up with like, here's some things to look at,

00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:03.869
people. Like, my God. Oh, no. And they're like

00:45:03.869 --> 00:45:07.940
on a mattress together. Yeah. While Joyce is

00:45:07.940 --> 00:45:11.300
trying to write this play and get into a creative

00:45:11.300 --> 00:45:15.699
playwriting college to be able to come and be

00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:18.780
New York's best playwright. I remember having

00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:20.800
this conversation after the play. I was like,

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.260
yeah. And Sam was like, but like, I was like,

00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:26.960
okay, I think this is like a European versus

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.219
American thing. It really is. Okay. Everyone's

00:45:31.219 --> 00:45:35.719
very, very sensitive to that 17 versus 18 line.

00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:40.289
Yeah. I mean, it is wild to me that Lonnie is

00:45:40.289 --> 00:45:42.530
so much older. Like, that we're all so sensitive

00:45:42.530 --> 00:45:45.250
over here in Europe. Yes. Good. Excellent. That

00:45:45.250 --> 00:45:49.130
would not be good. But that she, like, was temporarily

00:45:49.130 --> 00:45:53.670
not wearing a shirt. Yeah. I think the counterpoint

00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:56.969
is, like, was it needed? Not really. So I think

00:45:56.969 --> 00:46:00.150
I get, like, she could have just gotten up already

00:46:00.150 --> 00:46:05.449
wearing a shirt. Correct. So interesting choice.

00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:09.789
But yes, so Joyce is there and she's still in

00:46:09.789 --> 00:46:12.710
high school. And as Sam's already said, she's

00:46:12.710 --> 00:46:15.829
writing this play. However, it's a secret play

00:46:15.829 --> 00:46:18.969
because she wants to do like a really raunchy

00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:22.510
play instead of performing Oklahoma. So to the

00:46:22.510 --> 00:46:24.489
school, they say like, yeah, we're doing Oklahoma.

00:46:24.650 --> 00:46:26.090
We're doing Oklahoma. Don't worry. Don't worry.

00:46:26.150 --> 00:46:29.449
But in reality, it's like this like play that

00:46:29.449 --> 00:46:31.690
the school otherwise would never ever sign off

00:46:31.690 --> 00:46:35.340
and allow them to do. But it's like the big rebellion

00:46:35.340 --> 00:46:38.099
is like, we're going to do this play and no one

00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:40.559
will know until it actually starts what it is

00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.840
about. That's fun. So that's what Joyce is up

00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:49.639
to. I've put in my notes, she dates Lonnie for

00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.920
inexplicable reasons, because even in the play,

00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.400
it makes no sense that the two are dating. Like,

00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.079
he's not like a different person in the play.

00:46:57.179 --> 00:47:00.159
Like, he's still Lonnie. It's like, oh, okay.

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.599
Well, it's also unclear how long they've been

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.019
dating. Like, did they meet when she was 14 and

00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:11.019
he was 21? Like, what's happening here? I don't

00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:14.980
want to know. But, like, it makes no sense. Because

00:47:14.980 --> 00:47:17.980
even the next character I have here that we meet,

00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.980
which is Hopper, she has, like, so much better

00:47:20.980 --> 00:47:23.980
chemistry with Hopper in this play. Like, even,

00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.559
like, at that age, clearly, they could have ended

00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.059
up together. If she wasn't dating Lonnie for

00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:33.340
God knows why. And Hopper's character is really

00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:35.440
consistent. Joyce's character is really consistent.

00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.500
Both of them bring in really interesting information.

00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:41.539
Joyce is clearly this rebellious person who wants

00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:44.840
to get out of town. And she really wants to go

00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.019
and do these big dreams. She's a little bit like

00:47:47.019 --> 00:47:49.099
Eddie in that way. Where he's like, I want to

00:47:49.099 --> 00:47:50.900
become a musician and a rock star. And she's

00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:52.559
like, I want to become this playwright and get

00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.059
out of this town and do something more interesting.

00:47:54.219 --> 00:47:56.800
Which is like... fairly tragic where you know

00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.380
this is heading and that last scene with joyce

00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:03.400
and this other character uh is is really sad

00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.280
because she's like you know that she's stuck

00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.579
there you know that she's gonna make bad decisions

00:48:07.579 --> 00:48:12.019
but i will say most of these characters i buy

00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:15.000
that they're the age that they are you know in

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.940
plays it's a little bit more forgivable when

00:48:16.940 --> 00:48:21.190
you're a lot older hopper's character he is like

00:48:21.190 --> 00:48:25.590
a 30 year old man in this play they like they

00:48:25.590 --> 00:48:28.090
like shave his face and they slick back his hair

00:48:28.090 --> 00:48:30.309
to make it look like he's the 50s but and and

00:48:30.309 --> 00:48:32.769
he's enormous just like like david harbour actually

00:48:32.769 --> 00:48:37.010
is like a very tall guy um but he's like his

00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:39.920
voice starts and you're like that guy Is an adult.

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:43.619
That guy is not. He's not an 18 year old. I mean

00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:46.119
I know an adult is 18. But like this guy is a

00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.039
real man. This guy is not a boy. It's really

00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:55.800
kind of funny. Yeah. But. We learn his dad is

00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.619
son of. His dad is the chief of police. So. Destiny

00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:06.280
I guess. In a way. Because also. While he's.

00:49:07.130 --> 00:49:09.250
Oh, he's trying to have reasons to be around

00:49:09.250 --> 00:49:11.309
Joyce because he's clearly having a thing for

00:49:11.309 --> 00:49:14.210
Joyce. He's starting to investigate the strange

00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:17.409
things happening. And he's very quickly able

00:49:17.409 --> 00:49:19.650
to narrow it down to it has to do something with

00:49:19.650 --> 00:49:22.030
this drama club, like this secret drama club.

00:49:22.150 --> 00:49:24.630
Something is connected to what's going on in

00:49:24.630 --> 00:49:26.949
the town. Because what is going on in the town

00:49:26.949 --> 00:49:31.309
is pets start dying in like these like mysterious

00:49:31.309 --> 00:49:34.070
way. But if you've seen season four of Stranger

00:49:34.070 --> 00:49:35.969
Things, very familiar way as in where they're

00:49:35.969 --> 00:49:40.250
like. limbs are being moved into these impossible

00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:46.670
places. So we start seeing that happening and

00:49:46.670 --> 00:49:48.309
obviously everyone in town is like, oh my god,

00:49:48.389 --> 00:49:51.989
why has eight cats died in the span of weeks?

00:49:52.530 --> 00:49:55.090
It is interesting because there are so many Stranger

00:49:55.090 --> 00:49:57.889
Things fans that are cat people and in the audience

00:49:57.889 --> 00:50:00.010
that was one of the more visceral reactions is

00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:02.989
that there's this cat that's gone missing. And

00:50:02.989 --> 00:50:04.849
Henry Creel is helping to look for it before

00:50:04.849 --> 00:50:07.369
he, for the first time, gives in to the mind

00:50:07.369 --> 00:50:11.590
flare. And the cat is levitated up and then breaks

00:50:11.590 --> 00:50:14.730
its limbs in several places and then dies. And

00:50:14.730 --> 00:50:17.630
that's like a practical effect on stage. Yeah.

00:50:17.889 --> 00:50:19.769
Yeah, it's not a light projection or anything

00:50:19.769 --> 00:50:22.909
like that. They have a fairly reasonably good

00:50:22.909 --> 00:50:27.349
-looking, realistic cat that then floats up and

00:50:27.349 --> 00:50:32.010
does its puppety death sequence. It's kind of

00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:37.010
nasty. The only other thing to note is he actually

00:50:37.010 --> 00:50:39.510
does his investigations with a character we do

00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:42.829
know from season two, Bob Newby. Only that Bob

00:50:42.829 --> 00:50:45.269
Newby at this point is also a high school student

00:50:45.269 --> 00:50:48.170
and he runs the local radio because of course

00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:52.110
he does. And he's this super upbeat, happy character.

00:50:52.369 --> 00:50:56.510
Has also a big crush on Joyce. So that's also

00:50:56.510 --> 00:51:00.030
been ongoing for a while. And he has an adopted

00:51:00.030 --> 00:51:04.360
sister. Who is the love interest of Henry Creel.

00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:09.280
Her name is Patty! I was going to say, cue the

00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:18.519
overmark. Well, maybe. We'll see. Cue the halfway

00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:27.139
overmark. Dun, dun, dun. Aurelia and I were...

00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:31.019
Aurelia and I were convinced that she was going

00:51:31.019 --> 00:51:33.519
to die. Like, Aurelia leans over to me as soon

00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.559
as they introduce Patty and goes, she's gonna

00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:42.980
die, right? Well, I guess we've never heard of

00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:46.039
her otherwise. Yeah, she's a major character.

00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:50.099
And she's got this... Like, she is a black woman

00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:52.599
in the cast, and that is, like, a feature of

00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.000
her character. And it's like... dad newbie adopts

00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.159
her first for like you know ridiculous reasons

00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.260
and then puts a lot of pressure on her and like

00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:04.940
loves his son but treats his daughter super terribly

00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:09.500
it's it's a fascinating dynamic yeah so yeah

00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:12.039
those are the three characters we know from the

00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:14.780
show and that sort of the main characters we

00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:18.239
follow in the play aside from obviously patty

00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.019
newbie who's a new character and uh henry creole

00:52:22.019 --> 00:52:24.909
who's not exactly a new character but also not

00:52:24.909 --> 00:52:27.929
one of the ones that we know as well. So yeah,

00:52:28.010 --> 00:52:33.210
as Sam said, she's adopted. She is also in the

00:52:33.210 --> 00:52:36.769
play and starts having feelings for Henry Creel.

00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:40.130
And actually, Joyce is trying to cast the main

00:52:40.130 --> 00:52:43.050
leads and sees the very real chemistry between

00:52:43.050 --> 00:52:45.530
Henry and Patty. And then she's like, you two

00:52:45.530 --> 00:52:47.309
are the leads because clearly you're actually

00:52:47.309 --> 00:52:50.650
in love. So they're basically having to act out

00:52:50.650 --> 00:52:53.849
their love story on stage, which is fun for two.

00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.039
People who are clearly uncomfortable doing that.

00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.380
Well, just to pause there for a second. That's

00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:05.280
how much Joyce knows about Henry Creel. So, you

00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.679
know, we had the whole Russian storyline. So

00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:11.980
Joyce and Hopper, who are both people who intimately

00:53:11.980 --> 00:53:15.800
know Henry Creel from his, like, three months

00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.789
of being in a play with both of them. And also

00:53:18.789 --> 00:53:20.489
a couple other characters that we'll get to,

00:53:20.530 --> 00:53:23.550
but like spoilers, Eddie Munson's dad, Alan Munson

00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:27.110
is also in this play and a major character in

00:53:27.110 --> 00:53:29.710
like for comic relief, but we'll get there when

00:53:29.710 --> 00:53:32.610
we get there. But like they know, so like they're

00:53:32.610 --> 00:53:35.309
all away. So it better, it better come into season

00:53:35.309 --> 00:53:37.190
five. That's one of my major worries is that

00:53:37.190 --> 00:53:38.969
they're just going to end up decanonizing this

00:53:38.969 --> 00:53:40.829
play and we will have done all this work for

00:53:40.829 --> 00:53:44.090
nothing. When it turns out, Joyce was the director.

00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.760
of henry creel when he was the lead in her solo

00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:53.920
written play yeah but he is also the new kid

00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.519
to school like he doesn't know anyone and like

00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.639
yeah you know it's his first school day and he

00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.139
almost immediately gets cast and just play because

00:54:02.139 --> 00:54:06.039
uh That's what happens. So, yeah, we sort of

00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.880
follow Henry's story, like him, as we've said,

00:54:09.980 --> 00:54:13.340
trying to resist the urges from the Mind Flayer.

00:54:13.699 --> 00:54:16.900
And we hear throughout the investigations of

00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:20.039
Joyce, Bob and Hopper that more and more animals

00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.760
die. And, you know, as I say, Hopper is able

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.980
to say, OK, something to do with the drama club.

00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.340
Something's going on because it's always those

00:54:27.340 --> 00:54:31.570
people involved. And then I think almost the

00:54:31.570 --> 00:54:35.630
whole second part of the play after break is

00:54:35.630 --> 00:54:39.489
all around Dr. Brenner and Henry Creel. Because

00:54:39.489 --> 00:54:42.050
at that point, those two are sort of the main

00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:45.889
characters. So we sort of revisit what we know

00:54:45.889 --> 00:54:48.269
from season four. Obviously, you know, Henry

00:54:48.269 --> 00:54:50.369
kills his whole family and all of that sort of

00:54:50.369 --> 00:54:53.940
stuff. Like he doesn't, he's not able. to resist.

00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:56.820
He ends up killing his whole family and Dr. Brenner's

00:54:56.820 --> 00:54:59.340
like, oh no, no, my pet, come to me, come to

00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:02.519
me. I want to harvest your everything. Because

00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.539
he doesn't care that people died. He's just like,

00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:06.599
no, no, no, I need this. Because we've seen this

00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.980
from Dr. Brenner with, you know, Eleven's mom

00:55:08.980 --> 00:55:13.599
and Eleven and all the other subjects. So we

00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.760
learn a lot more about early experimentation

00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.920
and what he's doing with Henry. But it's all

00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.900
sort of like very similar to what we've seen

00:55:22.900 --> 00:55:26.000
in the show. So it's just seeing it on stage

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.739
in a way. Yeah. But it sort of just gives that

00:55:28.739 --> 00:55:33.920
depth to that relationship as to how one and

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.679
Brenna have interacted before we see it in season

00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.739
four when, you know, one is almost supervising

00:55:39.739 --> 00:55:41.780
the other children without telling them that

00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:44.969
he's also one of them. It's crazy. And I think

00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:47.730
just some honorable mentions of other characters

00:55:47.730 --> 00:55:49.929
that are definitely mostly in the play for fan

00:55:49.929 --> 00:55:52.210
service, because everyone in Hawkins seems to

00:55:52.210 --> 00:55:57.550
be forever stuck in Hawkins. So as Sam said,

00:55:57.690 --> 00:56:00.809
we meet Eddie Munson, who is like barely ever

00:56:00.809 --> 00:56:03.269
wearing a shirt on stage. Yeah, he's constantly

00:56:03.269 --> 00:56:09.469
half naked. It's just being a bit weird. He's

00:56:09.469 --> 00:56:15.449
like the theater kid. And then we see Ted Wheeler,

00:56:15.550 --> 00:56:20.150
so Mike and Nancy's dad. And he's like a bit

00:56:20.150 --> 00:56:23.250
more cool and confident than what we see later

00:56:23.250 --> 00:56:27.550
in the show, where he's like pretty checked out

00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:30.090
of his children's life and just mostly seems

00:56:30.090 --> 00:56:33.989
to be watching TV and doesn't seem to care about

00:56:33.989 --> 00:56:37.530
anything else. And I think this is another bit

00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:39.570
of fan service, just like towards the end of

00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:42.030
the show, we just quickly see Lucas' parents.

00:56:42.909 --> 00:56:45.289
Yeah, they've been in the play, but you don't

00:56:45.289 --> 00:56:47.369
know who they are. And then at the very end,

00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:51.769
Mrs. Sinclair, there's high school sweethearts.

00:56:51.769 --> 00:56:55.050
Mrs. Sinclair is like, I will dump you. And then

00:56:55.050 --> 00:56:57.889
she like fully names this character. And Lucas's

00:56:57.889 --> 00:57:00.510
dad has like three middle names. So she like

00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:03.010
does the like big naming. And one of the middle

00:57:03.010 --> 00:57:05.929
names is Lucas. And you're like, oh, I see. He's

00:57:05.929 --> 00:57:08.289
one of the Sinclairs. Oh, that's, oh, that's,

00:57:08.289 --> 00:57:12.110
oh. And it's not, you know, like if some people

00:57:12.110 --> 00:57:15.469
were like, oh, we had this one couple in front

00:57:15.469 --> 00:57:18.150
of us that were probably 10 years younger than

00:57:18.150 --> 00:57:21.250
us that were like, oh, my gosh. And I really

00:57:21.250 --> 00:57:25.090
and I were like, uh -huh. Don't tease the crap

00:57:25.090 --> 00:57:31.329
out of them. So that's that's in there. And also

00:57:31.329 --> 00:57:34.070
we see Dustin's dad for two second. There is

00:57:34.070 --> 00:57:36.329
a ice cream parlor called Mendelsohn's, which

00:57:36.329 --> 00:57:38.940
I think is Dustin's last name. Or Henderson.

00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:42.079
Mendelssohn's. Mendelssohn's. Mendelssohn's is

00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.739
Grand Budapest Hotel. Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.239
And so, and like, he's like, there's this big

00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.099
scene between Joyce and Hopper where they're

00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:53.260
like, hey, can we go on a date? Joyce actually

00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:57.179
asks out Hopper in 1959 at this ice cream parlor

00:57:57.179 --> 00:58:00.500
that she started to work for. And Hopper has

00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:02.880
to be like, oh, I wish, but I'm actually headed

00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.710
out to Vietnam tomorrow. And so there's like

00:58:05.710 --> 00:58:08.170
that unrequited love moment. But at the beginning

00:58:08.170 --> 00:58:11.269
of that scene, we see Dustin's dad just kind

00:58:11.269 --> 00:58:14.409
of mopping things up for a second before he moves

00:58:14.409 --> 00:58:17.590
on. A lot of like fan service hints, obviously,

00:58:17.590 --> 00:58:20.670
as you'd expect with a play like this. But also,

00:58:20.750 --> 00:58:23.869
I think quite interesting to see how Joyce and

00:58:23.869 --> 00:58:27.329
Hopper seem to just miss each other for so long

00:58:27.329 --> 00:58:29.309
in their life, where they were like just never

00:58:29.309 --> 00:58:31.840
in the right. right space and time with each

00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.739
other um until obviously season four where they

00:58:35.739 --> 00:58:39.320
finally get their big moment yeah and and it's

00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:43.179
interesting too because joyce and bob also have

00:58:43.179 --> 00:58:46.340
some moments of like Oh, will they, won't they,

00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.920
where she's like suddenly attracted to Bob, but

00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:50.880
for very different reasons than she's attracted

00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.619
to Hopper. And the three of them end up investigating

00:58:53.619 --> 00:58:57.599
the Creel household, which again is crazy. They've

00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.260
been to the house that season four happens to

00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:03.159
investigate the guy, and they think it's his

00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:06.500
dad, who's this drunk soldier person. It's just

00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:12.000
incredibly fascinating. Yeah. So we get to Henry

00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:16.019
Creel's, like, transformation. So in 1959, Brenner

00:59:16.019 --> 00:59:19.420
was contacted by a woman named Virginia Creel,

00:59:19.420 --> 00:59:23.559
who believed her son Henry, one slash Vecna,

00:59:23.619 --> 00:59:25.500
was responsible for a number of inexplicable

00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:29.159
things happening at her household. Of course,

00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.719
then Virginia and Henry's sibling Alice were

00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.579
found dead at the house. Henry's father was presumed

00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:38.179
to be the murderer. However, Brenner. He knows.

00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:42.880
He always knows. Henry, he knows Henry is responsible

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.340
and possesses remarkable psychokinetic abilities.

00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:48.579
So Brenner convinces the higher -ups in the U

00:59:48.579 --> 00:59:50.159
.S. government that he should take Henry into

00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.420
his custody, proposing that the boy's abilities

00:59:52.420 --> 00:59:54.760
could be deployed, much like Eleven, against

00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.380
the Soviets. However, in truth, Brenner is much

00:59:59.380 --> 01:00:02.639
more motivated by his curiosity about Dimension

01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.409
X and only said otherwise to get government funding.

01:00:07.570 --> 01:00:10.650
So we understand in this, again, huge information

01:00:10.650 --> 01:00:13.769
that Henry Creel is not inherently evil. He's

01:00:13.769 --> 01:00:17.809
a lonely, misunderstood person whose companionship

01:00:17.809 --> 01:00:20.070
in his head is with the Mind Flayer. So this

01:00:20.070 --> 01:00:23.730
Mind Flayer is influencing Henry and is a completely

01:00:23.730 --> 01:00:26.869
powerful force that is very difficult. to fight.

01:00:26.989 --> 01:00:29.469
And of course, eventually Henry gives into his

01:00:29.469 --> 01:00:32.389
baser instincts to get his way and listens to

01:00:32.389 --> 01:00:35.050
the mind flare because he's promised power. It's

01:00:35.050 --> 01:00:37.969
like a little bit more of a direct dark side

01:00:37.969 --> 01:00:40.369
reference where the dark side is the quickest

01:00:40.369 --> 01:00:44.050
and easiest way to get your, your, what you want,

01:00:44.170 --> 01:00:46.690
right? Unlimited power. And so he gives into

01:00:46.690 --> 01:00:49.389
the mind flare, although it's a fight, you know,

01:00:49.389 --> 01:00:51.110
at first it's just pets. And then eventually

01:00:51.110 --> 01:00:54.389
it's, it's. Siblings and mother. Because his

01:00:54.389 --> 01:00:57.849
mother is really. Much worse than she is in season

01:00:57.849 --> 01:01:01.210
four. She's really quite horrible to him. Much

01:01:01.210 --> 01:01:04.510
more Aunt Petunia. Than what we saw in season

01:01:04.510 --> 01:01:07.550
four. And then we've got. What's called the void.

01:01:08.050 --> 01:01:10.230
The void. The play introduces the concept of

01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:12.429
the void. Which is a place where Henry travels.

01:01:12.769 --> 01:01:15.429
And where the mind flayer exerts its control.

01:01:15.789 --> 01:01:18.590
So he has the ability to dip in. Not quite. all

01:01:18.590 --> 01:01:21.349
the way to Dimension X, but dip into this void

01:01:21.349 --> 01:01:24.969
where the Mind Flayer has control. And there's

01:01:24.969 --> 01:01:28.110
a big speculation that this void, because Will,

01:01:28.369 --> 01:01:29.750
you know, again, this is all speculation, because

01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:33.269
Will has superpowers, he imprints Hawkins on

01:01:33.269 --> 01:01:36.050
the void. And that's what is the upside down,

01:01:36.130 --> 01:01:40.550
not Dimension X. So that's the play in a nutshell.

01:01:41.030 --> 01:01:43.329
Sierra, we'd love to hear your initial reactions

01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:47.440
before we move forward. I mean, I think... That's

01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.380
a lot of information. And it makes if they're

01:01:50.380 --> 01:01:55.719
going to bring the Hopper Joyce connection with

01:01:55.719 --> 01:01:59.840
Henry into season five, then it makes even more

01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:04.500
sense that they are kind of benched from the

01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:08.400
Hawkins investigation because they would have

01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:14.099
too much information. Yes, absolutely. So I think

01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:19.099
it makes sense that they're not. And that they're

01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:22.960
dealing with another side of things. And so hopefully

01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.579
when they all have their powwow and, oh, hey,

01:02:27.619 --> 01:02:29.900
we figured out who's doing all this. It's this

01:02:29.900 --> 01:02:34.940
guy. We then get Joyce and Hopper. Oh, right.

01:02:35.139 --> 01:02:39.260
Maybe even a small flashback moment. which we

01:02:39.260 --> 01:02:41.599
don't really have in this show, but it could

01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.659
be an opportunity for one to have a small flashback

01:02:44.659 --> 01:02:48.119
to the events of the play to be able to see that

01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.500
they did in fact know them. Could be a good way

01:02:50.500 --> 01:02:53.320
to bring Sean Astin in for a hot minute. I would

01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:56.940
love that. Or something of that nature. I'm sure

01:02:56.940 --> 01:02:59.559
if they're going to do them as high school students,

01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:02.519
though, they'll probably just have different

01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.300
people, but you could, you could pull a Dexter

01:03:05.300 --> 01:03:11.840
and just put them in a wig. Any excuse for Sean

01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:16.619
Astin. But I think that this is a lot of really

01:03:16.619 --> 01:03:20.559
important information in terms of how Henry has

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:25.139
powers because we don't know that. We know everything

01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:28.699
from Henry having powers forward. We don't understand

01:03:28.699 --> 01:03:35.099
how he got them. Did his dad or his mom? have

01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:38.000
something within them before he was born? Why

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.219
does his sister not have powers? We don't have

01:03:40.219 --> 01:03:44.639
any of that information. And so this is the extra

01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:48.380
information that we are missing. I just hope

01:03:48.380 --> 01:03:50.960
they don't write it out. Yeah. What are people

01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.500
doing without this information? Like my, one

01:03:54.500 --> 01:03:58.500
of my biggest gripes with any big fandom is that

01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:01.940
you have an established like medium for it. Right.

01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:05.960
So. Percy Jackson, the medium really is the books.

01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.280
You do an adaptation to do a show, and I'm not

01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.019
so mad at the books or the show for not covering

01:04:12.019 --> 01:04:14.380
everything. Because its original medium is in

01:04:14.380 --> 01:04:16.340
books. But if Percy Jackson were to continue

01:04:16.340 --> 01:04:21.199
to create more books, I would go, okay, but then

01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.800
don't make a comic or – an audio play or a play

01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.739
or a tv show or a movie integral like don't make

01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:30.460
it so that you have to go outside of that established

01:04:30.460 --> 01:04:33.579
medium in order to know this information so i

01:04:33.579 --> 01:04:37.960
think in my hope season five covers this enough

01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.219
to satisfy the viewers needs for it otherwise

01:04:41.219 --> 01:04:43.400
i really don't want to have to say for the next

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.079
two months well but if you watched the play right

01:04:48.590 --> 01:04:51.170
Well, if you listen to our podcast about the

01:04:51.170 --> 01:04:53.530
play, you'd know everything. I mean, maybe we

01:04:53.530 --> 01:04:55.250
should do that and we just plug ourselves as

01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:57.230
that. And that's the way we get all the viewers

01:04:57.230 --> 01:04:59.769
to come and listen. So never mind. Netflix, get

01:04:59.769 --> 01:05:01.690
rid of the whole everything to do with it. We'll

01:05:01.690 --> 01:05:06.369
just explain it here. But the thing is not even

01:05:06.369 --> 01:05:08.489
like, you know, there have been books before

01:05:08.489 --> 01:05:11.429
where you've had deeper understandings about

01:05:11.429 --> 01:05:13.550
especially all the new characters that the show

01:05:13.550 --> 01:05:15.989
introduced that we haven't properly met. But

01:05:15.989 --> 01:05:19.130
like books are accessible. everywhere you don't

01:05:19.130 --> 01:05:21.650
need to be in a specific place and time and have

01:05:21.650 --> 01:05:24.889
you know have the ability to to afford theater

01:05:24.889 --> 01:05:27.070
tickets not that they were crazy expensive they

01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:31.469
really weren't but um a play is just so not accessible

01:05:31.469 --> 01:05:35.650
to most of the world yeah well just isn't right

01:05:35.650 --> 01:05:39.210
who's who are you driving to again we got netflix

01:05:39.210 --> 01:05:43.349
which is what like 18 a month versus The play

01:05:43.349 --> 01:05:45.610
tickets, which at minimum probably you're looking

01:05:45.610 --> 01:05:47.550
at 35 depending on what area you live in. If

01:05:47.550 --> 01:05:50.030
you're in New York, probably more like 60. But

01:05:50.030 --> 01:05:53.809
not everybody can go and do that. And so not

01:05:53.809 --> 01:05:56.230
everybody's got the time or the methods of travel.

01:05:57.170 --> 01:05:59.230
How many playhouses are going to put on this

01:05:59.230 --> 01:06:01.809
incredibly expensive play to come and do? If

01:06:01.809 --> 01:06:08.110
I live in Red Rock, Alabama, am I going to New

01:06:08.110 --> 01:06:11.099
York City? We're the only place that's putting

01:06:11.099 --> 01:06:13.699
on this play right now? How do I have access

01:06:13.699 --> 01:06:16.900
to this information? So they must be inputting

01:06:16.900 --> 01:06:19.800
it some way, shape, or form into season five,

01:06:20.019 --> 01:06:23.380
which will be cool. My thing about the books,

01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.239
too, to your point, Aurelia, is the books at

01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.679
least add flavor. They don't change integral

01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.579
information, right? Like, it's not integral that

01:06:32.579 --> 01:06:36.480
Eddie wants to become a music star to his thing.

01:06:36.539 --> 01:06:38.940
It makes it much sadder. Like, the fact that

01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.619
they had this big dream. Or even Robin's stuff.

01:06:41.780 --> 01:06:44.699
Like, it's not super integral, the struggles

01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:46.659
that she's been into for her character moment

01:06:46.659 --> 01:06:49.099
in the play. I think it's actually much improved

01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:52.519
if you see what struggles she goes through. But

01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:55.880
it doesn't change it. Versus this is, like, actual

01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.960
information that if they don't go over quickly,

01:06:59.179 --> 01:07:02.679
it's going to be like, what the heck is happening

01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:07.420
here? Do we think just one episode is just basically...

01:07:07.769 --> 01:07:11.050
A recap of this play. I hope not. I hope that

01:07:11.050 --> 01:07:14.070
we get information sprinkled throughout. And

01:07:14.070 --> 01:07:16.389
I hope that it's like in those classic montage

01:07:16.389 --> 01:07:19.090
where we've got Hopper with one group of people

01:07:19.090 --> 01:07:20.849
and Joyce with one group of people. And as they

01:07:20.849 --> 01:07:23.210
tell the story, it's going back and forth between

01:07:23.210 --> 01:07:26.309
those two scenes and flashback scenes. That'd

01:07:26.309 --> 01:07:29.030
be cool. So we'll see. Yeah, that would work

01:07:29.030 --> 01:07:32.909
well. Mm -hmm. Crack open an encyclopedia. It's

01:07:32.909 --> 01:07:35.639
time for, as Elijah Wood once said, no! How could

01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:37.920
we have known category, which this is the most

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:39.960
appropriate time for, because if you haven't

01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.840
seen this play, it is no. How could we have known

01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.699
where we discuss the most important information

01:07:45.699 --> 01:07:47.440
disseminated in the fandom over this play? We're

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.579
consolidating it for you right here. There's

01:07:49.579 --> 01:07:52.539
three things I think are the huge takeaways for

01:07:52.539 --> 01:07:55.739
this. So number one, write this down, kids. Dr.

01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.119
Brenner's dad was in Dimension X, which is not

01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.110
exactly the upside down. The upside down. is

01:08:04.110 --> 01:08:07.889
the place linking and mixing Hawkins with Dimension

01:08:07.889 --> 01:08:11.269
X. But it doesn't become the Upside Down until

01:08:11.269 --> 01:08:16.590
the day that Will is taken. And then that Hawkins

01:08:16.590 --> 01:08:19.210
imprints itself in a permanent manner, as we

01:08:19.210 --> 01:08:23.510
discover in Season 4. Number 2. Brenner's dad

01:08:23.510 --> 01:08:27.060
survived and told Dr. Brenner. Dr. Brenner then

01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:29.939
tries to recreate what happened to his dad. A

01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:33.039
rogue scientist steals the equipment and stashes

01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:36.399
it in a Nevada cave nearby where local child,

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:41.979
Victor Creel, goes in and is lost for 12 hours.

01:08:42.220 --> 01:08:44.979
During that time, he travels to Dimension X,

01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.000
meets the Mind Flayer, is infected, influenced

01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.489
by him in some way, and then returns home. Kreel,

01:08:53.609 --> 01:08:55.789
during that time, got superpowers and could still

01:08:55.789 --> 01:08:58.949
hear the Mind Flayer. He tried to fight the evil

01:08:58.949 --> 01:09:01.970
thoughts of the Mind Flayer, but couldn't, and

01:09:01.970 --> 01:09:05.750
eventually uses his superpowers to do evil and

01:09:05.750 --> 01:09:10.829
harming, but not killing, our favorite new newbie,

01:09:10.949 --> 01:09:14.949
Patty. So there you go. There's the three sort

01:09:14.949 --> 01:09:17.609
of, how would you have known without the play?

01:09:19.789 --> 01:09:22.420
Close your eyes and focus your mind. It's our

01:09:22.420 --> 01:09:25.840
Sherlock Mind Palace category for Reaction O

01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:33.640
'Clock. So, what does this all mean? That's what

01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:38.119
it means to me. We touched upon this a little

01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:40.640
bit at the end of the last finale, season four.

01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:45.300
pod with sierra where i i serped up sierra's

01:09:45.300 --> 01:09:47.819
hopes and my hopes about the fact that it is

01:09:47.819 --> 01:09:51.800
not victor creel all along it's actually the

01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:54.840
mind flayer all along which feels a lot more

01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:56.600
appropriate than it being like there's just one

01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.979
human person and that victor creel is just convinced

01:09:59.979 --> 01:10:02.619
that he's in charge it's sort of like an older

01:10:02.619 --> 01:10:05.819
brother pretending as if he's given you the first

01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:08.220
player controller And then being like, no, I've

01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:10.260
actually been first player the whole time, bud.

01:10:12.460 --> 01:10:15.779
Yeah, I think that that, as we talked about before,

01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:17.760
I think that that would make for a much more

01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:22.520
interesting villain story. And to have kind of

01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.180
all the twists and turns of who's really behind

01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:29.260
all of this, what really are the motivations,

01:10:29.340 --> 01:10:32.119
and kind of pulling the rug out from under you

01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:37.239
a little bit as to your expectations. We've talked

01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.619
about it already that I think they need to do

01:10:40.619 --> 01:10:43.399
flashbacks, something to explain this to the

01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:45.939
show, because this play is not very accessible.

01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.880
But also I'm wondering, because the show really

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.039
focuses on Patty Newby, and this is obviously

01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:55.119
a character we have not ever met before. So I

01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:57.239
do wonder, and I know in this next part we're

01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.140
going to talk about, are we seeing some of the

01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:03.600
people that were killed in the Upside Down? If

01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:07.220
she's somehow going to come back. through that

01:11:07.220 --> 01:11:09.739
sort of mechanism or if we're gonna get introduced

01:11:09.739 --> 01:11:12.979
to her in the show as well but patty's not dead

01:11:12.979 --> 01:11:17.979
so at the end of the play it's patty she falls

01:11:17.979 --> 01:11:21.300
for like 500 days it feels like right there's

01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:23.500
that catwalk scene where she's like tumbling

01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:26.100
down and it's really slow and everybody thinks

01:11:26.100 --> 01:11:28.840
she's dead and then we get that one little last

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.640
scene at the end where she's actually traveling

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.960
with a suitcase and she finds her mom at the

01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.329
end Right, because her mom was like a traveling

01:11:37.329 --> 01:11:40.850
singer, isn't she? Yeah, that's right. And she's

01:11:40.850 --> 01:11:43.369
like singing. I don't remember if she's the singer

01:11:43.369 --> 01:11:46.289
that's doing like Dream a Little Dream of Me

01:11:46.289 --> 01:11:48.550
that we like hear all the time. But she's certainly

01:11:48.550 --> 01:11:50.850
in that era because it's the 50s and she's in

01:11:50.850 --> 01:11:54.649
the 1950s gloves and dress and all that jazz.

01:11:54.789 --> 01:11:59.850
So I think Patti will be back, but not the way

01:11:59.850 --> 01:12:03.970
that Billy or Eddie might be. Okay. Yeah. We

01:12:03.970 --> 01:12:07.409
are going to do some quick hits now. So get out

01:12:07.409 --> 01:12:10.250
that crystal ball and tell us all about tomorrow's

01:12:10.250 --> 01:12:13.850
weather. It's our big predictions category for

01:12:13.850 --> 01:12:18.149
season five of Stranger Things. I have a couple

01:12:18.149 --> 01:12:22.689
to get through. Number one, big deaths. There

01:12:22.689 --> 01:12:25.270
will be big deaths at the end of part one and

01:12:25.270 --> 01:12:28.770
part two. We will lose some much beloved characters

01:12:28.770 --> 01:12:31.750
earlier on. And then, of course, there will be

01:12:31.750 --> 01:12:33.689
deaths in the finale and stuff, but that's not

01:12:33.689 --> 01:12:36.989
a prediction. That's just fact. Number two, Will

01:12:36.989 --> 01:12:43.550
will get some powers this time. Yay! How? I bet

01:12:43.550 --> 01:12:47.409
Sierra has an explanation. Yes, so Will getting

01:12:47.409 --> 01:12:49.670
powers is one of my predictions as well, and

01:12:49.670 --> 01:12:52.409
I think, especially based on the information

01:12:52.409 --> 01:12:55.289
that you guys have shared about how Henry got

01:12:55.289 --> 01:12:57.569
his powers, I think we're dealing with a similar

01:12:57.569 --> 01:13:00.689
situation. I think that Will, having been taken

01:13:00.689 --> 01:13:05.170
into the Upside Down by the Mind Flayer, Vecna,

01:13:05.170 --> 01:13:10.609
Wee, whatever combination they're in, When he

01:13:10.609 --> 01:13:14.409
was transported, he is then infected by the Mind

01:13:14.409 --> 01:13:16.890
Flayer, just the same as Henry was infected by

01:13:16.890 --> 01:13:19.090
the Mind Flayer. And while Henry was only there

01:13:19.090 --> 01:13:22.390
for 12 hours, Will is there for a week. So I

01:13:22.390 --> 01:13:26.529
think that it... So he's even more powerful.

01:13:26.989 --> 01:13:31.369
He can use all four bandages. Two hands and two

01:13:31.369 --> 01:13:38.979
legs. I just, I think that it gives... the mind

01:13:38.979 --> 01:13:43.220
player a lot more time to really infiltrate Will's

01:13:43.220 --> 01:13:48.920
mind and to have been in there so much more subtly

01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:51.239
that even though Will has fought against him,

01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:54.199
even though he has thrown up the slug, even though

01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.319
we think that he's mostly gone, we know he's

01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.000
not because Will can still feel him and hear

01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:03.380
his thoughts and knows how he thinks and all

01:14:03.380 --> 01:14:05.880
of that. I think that that is even more evidence.

01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.760
that the Mind Flayer is fully infiltrated into

01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:15.359
Will's mind, and that is how he has his powers,

01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:17.840
is because of his time spent in the Upside Down.

01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:20.979
Yeah, I'm in full agreement. I think that's exactly

01:14:20.979 --> 01:14:23.239
how it happens. And if you're sitting there wondering,

01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:25.279
how does then Elle have powers, because she didn't

01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:27.800
travel to the Upside Down, we know that, because

01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:30.960
of Aurelia's wonderful research, that Eleven's

01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:33.479
mother was getting blood transfusions from Victor

01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:37.819
Creel. When the gestation of Eleven was happening.

01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.560
And so Eleven seems to have those powers directly

01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:45.899
from Victor Creel's blood. And then, of course,

01:14:45.899 --> 01:14:47.619
the LSD that her mother was on while she was

01:14:47.619 --> 01:14:50.180
pregnant as well. Forced LSD. She wasn't just,

01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:54.720
like, doing it. Yeah. Other predictions. I believe

01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:59.840
that we will see Barb, Billy, Bob, and Betty.

01:14:59.979 --> 01:15:03.039
I mean, Eddie. I think we'll see them in some

01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:04.600
way, shape, or form, whether it's just flashbacks.

01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:08.960
I had this whole prediction around, like, Eddie

01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:10.840
is going to end up being this character that's

01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.079
in the D &D lore around Vecna, who, like, is

01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:17.500
Vecna's undead companion and betrays Vecna and

01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:20.039
gives the people the sword of Vecna, which can

01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:21.920
kill him, or sword of something that can kill

01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.810
him. But then the Duffer Brothers said... Joseph

01:15:24.810 --> 01:15:26.710
Quinn is not going to be in season five because

01:15:26.710 --> 01:15:29.529
he's been, like, filming five movies. And I was

01:15:29.529 --> 01:15:34.489
like, no! My prediction! So that, I think, my

01:15:34.489 --> 01:15:35.890
Eddie prediction's out. But I still think we'll

01:15:35.890 --> 01:15:38.149
see those characters in, even if it's just in

01:15:38.149 --> 01:15:41.409
flashbacks. I think Will or Elle will turn evil

01:15:41.409 --> 01:15:45.390
because of the mind flayer. And it will be a

01:15:45.390 --> 01:15:48.109
very sad having to kill them in order to completely

01:15:48.109 --> 01:15:51.609
cut off the gate. I do believe it was the mind

01:15:51.609 --> 01:15:56.890
flayer all along! instead of Vecna. And I believe

01:15:56.890 --> 01:15:59.789
that we'll see a good side of Henry Creel come

01:15:59.789 --> 01:16:02.510
back, that he will turncoat on the Mind Flayer.

01:16:02.750 --> 01:16:06.149
I also believe that Patty Newby, who is the moral

01:16:06.149 --> 01:16:09.949
voice, Sierra, just so you know, like, Patty

01:16:09.949 --> 01:16:12.489
is the person in the play trying to, like, knows

01:16:12.489 --> 01:16:15.229
what Victor's going through. Not quite that it's

01:16:15.229 --> 01:16:18.069
the shadow monster slash Mind Flayer, but knows

01:16:18.069 --> 01:16:20.329
that he's battling and tries to keep him morally

01:16:20.329 --> 01:16:23.890
correct. So I think she'll come back. I've had

01:16:23.890 --> 01:16:26.569
the same prediction where I think we've touched

01:16:26.569 --> 01:16:29.350
upon this before, like, you know, Hopper, Joyce

01:16:29.350 --> 01:16:33.510
will realize that they know Henry Creel and the

01:16:33.510 --> 01:16:36.050
whole group will make an attempt to separate

01:16:36.050 --> 01:16:38.390
Beckner from Henry Creel. And that's where I

01:16:38.390 --> 01:16:40.989
also think Patty Newby might play a big role

01:16:40.989 --> 01:16:45.670
to help achieve that. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely.

01:16:45.689 --> 01:16:49.289
I agree with that, especially with knowing Patty's

01:16:49.289 --> 01:16:53.399
role in the play. I think if we do see henry

01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.739
i think it's more likely we'll see one as kind

01:16:56.739 --> 01:17:00.399
of a guidance force but if we do see henry i

01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.300
think it's only if we get patty yeah totally

01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:06.140
totally totally totally totally aurelia your

01:17:06.140 --> 01:17:10.680
predictions so i uh i have some here that are

01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:14.340
uh from my queer perspective i guess uh i would

01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:16.960
really like to see will officially coming out

01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:20.800
um maybe to his whole friend group but at the

01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:23.810
very least to mike And admit his feelings to

01:17:23.810 --> 01:17:28.010
him. I could possibly see this as only his last

01:17:28.010 --> 01:17:30.609
living moment as he's about to die that he finally

01:17:30.609 --> 01:17:33.390
confesses. Because I don't think he's otherwise

01:17:33.390 --> 01:17:37.029
brave enough to confess to his feelings for Mike.

01:17:37.289 --> 01:17:42.409
I would agree. I agree. I think there's a really

01:17:42.409 --> 01:17:46.270
horrible version of this that... My mind has

01:17:46.270 --> 01:17:49.489
come up with just based on Noah's. Well, Noah's

01:17:49.489 --> 01:17:51.649
whole thing is like, everybody's going to be

01:17:51.649 --> 01:17:56.569
sad. And what better way for everything to just

01:17:56.569 --> 01:17:59.850
go wrong? That would create devastation everywhere.

01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.520
I think there's a possibility that as the mind

01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.579
flayer fully takes over Will or Will fully succumbs

01:18:06.579 --> 01:18:08.960
to the mind flayer, that instead of Will actually

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.319
being the one to come out and gain the courage

01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:15.979
to speak to Mike, that the mind flayer is the

01:18:15.979 --> 01:18:18.939
one who essentially taunts Mike and possibly

01:18:18.939 --> 01:18:20.920
the rest of his friends with this information

01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:23.760
that Will has been in love with Mike this whole

01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:28.359
time. wow isn't this horrible how you guys treated

01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:31.460
him and you didn't reciprocate his feelings and

01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:35.460
now he's gone and there's no way for him to come

01:18:35.460 --> 01:18:38.739
back so i think there is a possibility there

01:18:38.739 --> 01:18:42.600
that this happens in a very twisted manner which

01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:47.239
would be very upsetting but i think maybe it's

01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:49.539
more likely than will gaining the courage to

01:18:49.539 --> 01:18:53.220
do it on his own which is horrible i agree Although

01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:56.159
I think the three of us can also agree that Will

01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:59.800
could do so much better. Yes. Then Mike? 100%.

01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:07.220
Absolutely. I felt that bad, didn't I? Mike.

01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:10.260
I would rather him be with Troy. No, I'm kidding.

01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:15.439
That's terrible. No. He runs off to California

01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:23.880
to be a car guy. Pizza's for life. He is set.

01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.960
Talking about people getting together, I'm predicting

01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.760
Steve and Nancy will get together because of

01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:35.439
how season four left that whole triangle. I'm

01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:37.659
not mad at this prediction. I think this is a

01:19:37.659 --> 01:19:41.199
fairly... I think it's clearly going to be one

01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.739
of the two. I don't think they'll have Nancy

01:19:43.739 --> 01:19:46.100
just choose somebody else. And I don't think

01:19:46.100 --> 01:19:49.800
Nancy's going to die. But if Jonathan doesn't

01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.220
die, then she'll be with Jonathan. Because I

01:19:52.220 --> 01:19:54.539
think then Steve will die. I think that those

01:19:54.539 --> 01:19:56.640
two characters are sort of, it will be a who's

01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.779
going to die. And then Nancy's choice will be

01:19:58.779 --> 01:20:01.220
made for her. But I love Steve. And Steve's doing

01:20:01.220 --> 01:20:03.659
great. And Millie Bobby Brown just gave an interview

01:20:03.659 --> 01:20:05.539
where she was like, I choose Jonathan because

01:20:05.539 --> 01:20:07.140
he's nice and kind. And he just needs a little

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:10.399
bit more time to grow into being a man. And I'm

01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:12.439
like, yeah, but Steve's nice and kind. And he's

01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.399
done the growing. That's the whole point. At

01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.500
the end of season four, he's like a thoughtful

01:20:18.500 --> 01:20:21.520
human being. Versus Jonathan still battling with

01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.920
his insecurities and being scared. So, I don't

01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.199
know. I don't know. It depends on how they write

01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:29.720
it. We'll see. Yeah, and I think to your point

01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.819
of it's either or, I'm predicting that Jonathan

01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:36.800
sacrifices himself for Will. Because we've seen,

01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.699
you know, he's... He's dead for his brother.

01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.079
They have a really close relationship. He's basically

01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.479
told Will that he's a safe person to come out

01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.420
to, that he's supporting him anyway. I think

01:20:48.420 --> 01:20:51.640
Jonathan will do anything for Will, and I think

01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:54.819
he will sacrifice himself. Are Jonathan's last

01:20:54.819 --> 01:21:00.479
words then, will I stay or will I go? I'm going

01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:11.439
to make Sierra cry. And I'm like, I'm moving

01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.600
on from that. My last like of the major predictions

01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:20.199
is because season four leaves Max in a medical

01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:23.779
induced coma. I think at least assuming season

01:21:23.779 --> 01:21:26.180
five picks up straight from where season four

01:21:26.180 --> 01:21:29.840
has ended, that Max is going to. remain in that

01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:33.100
coma for at least part of it. I could see it

01:21:33.100 --> 01:21:35.060
for the whole first release that we're getting

01:21:35.060 --> 01:21:38.640
on Thanksgiving. And that she doesn't wake up

01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:43.640
until the end of that first part. Possibly because

01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.760
of something they're doing with Vecna and the

01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:48.399
Mind Flayer and the Upside Down, that something

01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:51.340
big happens and that triggers her to wake up

01:21:51.340 --> 01:21:55.180
from the coma. And I'd almost, like, I can picture,

01:21:55.260 --> 01:21:58.060
like, the season, like, that episode ending on,

01:21:58.100 --> 01:22:00.539
like, a close -up on Max's face as she, like,

01:22:00.579 --> 01:22:05.140
gospel wakes. Yeah, classic. John Snow moment.

01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:10.520
Oh my gosh, I would love that. Yeah. Because

01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.220
they haven't addressed what's going to go on

01:22:12.220 --> 01:22:14.300
with Max, so I think that needs to be addressed.

01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:19.260
Yeah. And then two, like, queer, silly things

01:22:19.260 --> 01:22:22.760
that are not as much predictions. But I would

01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:26.060
love to see Robin and Will having a queer moment

01:22:26.060 --> 01:22:29.319
where they openly talk to each other about what

01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:32.800
it's like to be a gay or lesbian person in the

01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:37.199
80s when that's maybe not so safe to be out and

01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.720
share their experiences. That's definitely just

01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:43.260
me wanting this to happen. I'm not sure if the

01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:46.279
show has time for it. Because stakes are high.

01:22:46.500 --> 01:22:49.439
I mean, if they're going to be two hours each,

01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:55.460
they definitely have time for it. But seeing

01:22:55.460 --> 01:22:58.560
as we have two queer characters in that huge

01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.560
friend group, it would make sense if they actually

01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:03.060
talk to each other. Because I don't think they

01:23:03.060 --> 01:23:06.659
have yet. No. We've not really seen them interact

01:23:06.659 --> 01:23:09.619
except for a finale at the Starcourt mall. Yeah.

01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:13.869
So that... That would be cool. And then something

01:23:13.869 --> 01:23:16.229
that I'm sure you guys are aware as well, but

01:23:16.229 --> 01:23:19.989
before season one, there was obviously chemistry

01:23:19.989 --> 01:23:22.970
tests between Mike and Elle, because they're

01:23:22.970 --> 01:23:25.789
like very early on, it introduces this love interest

01:23:25.789 --> 01:23:29.529
for each other. But they're actors, obviously,

01:23:29.590 --> 01:23:34.130
not the characters. But also the actors for Mike

01:23:34.130 --> 01:23:36.390
and Will did the same chemistry tests before

01:23:36.390 --> 01:23:39.659
season one. So obviously... We've now seen that

01:23:39.659 --> 01:23:41.920
Will has feelings for Mike, but I'm wondering,

01:23:42.020 --> 01:23:45.260
are we going to get more than just one -sided

01:23:45.260 --> 01:23:48.100
feelings? It's a huge question in the fandom

01:23:48.100 --> 01:23:51.140
right now. It's a big, giant question in the

01:23:51.140 --> 01:23:54.420
fandom. Is Mike going to reciprocate? Because

01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:55.920
a lot of people think that Elle is going to die.

01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:59.359
Yeah. Speaking of which, Sierra, will you lead

01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.319
us into our next category? You guys have made

01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.020
predictions. I have a lot of predictions, but

01:24:05.020 --> 01:24:08.600
they're all... Death -based predictions. Because

01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:12.720
I'm really focused here on how sad we're all

01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.979
going to be at the end of this. So wait, wait,

01:24:17.060 --> 01:24:20.720
wait, wait. We aren't going to die, are we? It's

01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:23.819
our Saving Private Ryan category for predicting

01:24:23.819 --> 01:24:28.239
deaths in this upcoming season. All right. We

01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:31.579
have a couple of categories that I've created.

01:24:31.939 --> 01:24:35.970
The categories are the superpowered. The adults

01:24:35.970 --> 01:24:39.789
we care about. The older teens. Erica gets her

01:24:39.789 --> 01:24:45.050
own category. And the kids. Now, controversially,

01:24:45.109 --> 01:24:47.670
Erica gets her own category. It's not just Erica

01:24:47.670 --> 01:24:51.350
in her category. But we'll get there. Go for

01:24:51.350 --> 01:24:54.350
it. We've got the super powered. Starting with

01:24:54.350 --> 01:25:00.250
who? Eleven. Yes. She'll die. Yes, she'll die.

01:25:00.609 --> 01:25:08.270
I don't think she will. Okay. Fine. All right.

01:25:08.670 --> 01:25:14.109
Will. Only if L doesn't die. It's an either or

01:25:14.109 --> 01:25:18.409
for me on that one. I reckon Will's gonna die.

01:25:18.829 --> 01:25:23.810
I think he won't. Excellent. I think he won't.

01:25:23.810 --> 01:25:27.210
I think that the whole... I think he'll lose

01:25:27.210 --> 01:25:29.869
enough people that it will be upsetting all on

01:25:29.869 --> 01:25:32.460
its own. Potentially he may never be the same

01:25:32.460 --> 01:25:36.239
again type of a situation. Indeed. Are we going

01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:41.199
to do like a score sheet after? Yes, 100%. 2026

01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:45.100
of how terrible we were. It's called the fantasy

01:25:45.100 --> 01:25:53.119
football taunting. All right. Vakna. Yeah, I

01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.880
think he'll die, but only because the mind flayer

01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:58.300
kills him for turning coat in a very sort of

01:25:58.300 --> 01:26:02.470
Billy -esque reference. I think, yes, he will

01:26:02.470 --> 01:26:05.770
die, but he will die for the cause. Like, he

01:26:05.770 --> 01:26:10.350
will have returned as not Vecna, but Henry somehow,

01:26:10.449 --> 01:26:13.810
but the only way this can end is because he sacrifices

01:26:13.810 --> 01:26:18.229
himself. Yes, I think he'll die. Mind Flayer.

01:26:20.390 --> 01:26:22.670
Yeah, and I think he'll die with a group effort

01:26:22.670 --> 01:26:26.989
with Henry, Creel, Eleven, and Will. Yep. Yep.

01:26:27.789 --> 01:26:30.470
I mean, otherwise, otherwise we'll be really

01:26:30.470 --> 01:26:34.430
sad if season five ends, if everyone's dead,

01:26:34.510 --> 01:26:42.229
but the Marlin Flayer is fine. So next we have

01:26:42.229 --> 01:26:45.130
the adults we care about, because there's not

01:26:45.130 --> 01:26:49.050
all of them. So first on, we have our favorite

01:26:49.050 --> 01:26:52.630
chief of police, Hopper. No, we've already been

01:26:52.630 --> 01:26:55.430
through this. They did this in season three teaser.

01:26:55.569 --> 01:26:57.699
They're not going to actually kill him. We already

01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:02.659
had the big sadness about it. Yes. See, I would

01:27:02.659 --> 01:27:04.399
agree with you on the reasoning behind that,

01:27:04.420 --> 01:27:08.920
except for I've seen Walking Dead. But this isn't

01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:13.560
that show. I know. But I don't think he'll die.

01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:17.779
Yes, excellent. Next up, Joyce. What do we think?

01:27:18.100 --> 01:27:20.880
I think yes. I think yes to the buyers will all

01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.579
die if Will dies. So if Will dies, Joyce dies.

01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:28.590
Ooh, brutal. I am because I'm obviously saying

01:27:28.590 --> 01:27:31.630
Jonathan is going to sacrifice himself. I think

01:27:31.630 --> 01:27:34.789
Joyce only dies if Jonathan doesn't. I think

01:27:34.789 --> 01:27:40.590
she dies and it's one of two things. But I think

01:27:40.590 --> 01:27:46.010
she only dies if she sacrifices herself for one

01:27:46.010 --> 01:27:50.090
of her sons. So she sacrifices herself for Jonathan.

01:27:50.149 --> 01:27:53.390
Jonathan then sacrifices himself for Will. Or

01:27:53.390 --> 01:27:56.829
she sacrifices herself and both of her sons live.

01:27:56.949 --> 01:28:02.050
But I think that if Will lives, she dies. So

01:28:02.050 --> 01:28:08.590
opposite of you. Okay. Yeah. Glad I'm not part

01:28:08.590 --> 01:28:10.689
of Tobiah's family, the way we're treating them.

01:28:13.869 --> 01:28:17.930
Someone else we have here is Murray. Yeah, I

01:28:17.930 --> 01:28:19.590
think he'll be the big death at the end of part

01:28:19.590 --> 01:28:23.229
one. I think he and Yuri will go down in a flame

01:28:23.229 --> 01:28:26.770
of, we did it! Oh, no! And then they don't. I

01:28:26.770 --> 01:28:29.949
think he's fine. Yeah, I don't think he'll die.

01:28:30.430 --> 01:28:36.609
Good for you guys. I'm glad for Murray. But talking

01:28:36.609 --> 01:28:39.229
about Murray, let's talk about his friends. What

01:28:39.229 --> 01:28:42.409
do we think about Enzo? I think, no, I think

01:28:42.409 --> 01:28:45.699
he'll go back to Russia. And they'll do like

01:28:45.699 --> 01:28:47.659
a whole montage thing of like, where is he now?

01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:50.100
Where he like is integral to bringing down the

01:28:50.100 --> 01:28:54.640
USSR. And with his knowledge that he's gained.

01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:59.840
I think Enzo is one of the ones where I'd be

01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.819
like, if he was, I don't think it would be dramatic.

01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:05.939
And it probably would just be a little bit of

01:29:05.939 --> 01:29:07.899
like, oh, okay. We didn't know this character

01:29:07.899 --> 01:29:13.180
too. Yeah. I disagree. I think he will die, and

01:29:13.180 --> 01:29:16.819
I think he'll die specifically for Hopper. Sort

01:29:16.819 --> 01:29:21.220
of like a Quicksilver death? Yeah. Where he saves

01:29:21.220 --> 01:29:25.760
Hawkeye? Exactly. So I think that he is going

01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.979
to die trying to save Hopper. And then, not to

01:29:29.979 --> 01:29:32.920
move into the next one too quickly, but I think

01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:36.880
Yuri will also die as a result of Enzo saving

01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:42.170
Hopper. Yeah. I'm also a yes for Yuri. I think

01:29:42.170 --> 01:29:43.510
he's going to die, like I said, with Murray.

01:29:44.890 --> 01:29:49.949
I'm just going to say he's fine. Also because

01:29:49.949 --> 01:29:52.149
I read through the doc and I was like, if Sam's

01:29:52.149 --> 01:29:56.369
predictions are true, everyone dies. That's not

01:29:56.369 --> 01:29:58.710
true on this next character. Oh, it's true on

01:29:58.710 --> 01:30:00.989
the next character, but not two characters from

01:30:00.989 --> 01:30:06.890
now. Talking about Sam, but Dr. Sam. Yeah, I

01:30:06.890 --> 01:30:09.189
think he'll die. And I think one of the big things

01:30:09.189 --> 01:30:10.989
at the end of part two will be like, the entire

01:30:10.989 --> 01:30:14.029
US government that has shown up, including Dr.

01:30:14.210 --> 01:30:16.529
Sam, will be eliminated at the end of part two.

01:30:16.550 --> 01:30:18.850
And sort of this onslaught where it looks like

01:30:18.850 --> 01:30:22.729
everything's going to be terrible. Yeah, I agree.

01:30:23.130 --> 01:30:25.890
I also think he'll die. I'm not happy about it,

01:30:25.949 --> 01:30:28.909
but I think that he'll die. Right. I just don't

01:30:28.909 --> 01:30:32.970
see a way that he lives. Very, very true. Yeah.

01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:37.260
And the last of this category of characters,

01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:41.819
Mr. Clark. I think that they're going to play

01:30:41.819 --> 01:30:43.600
with our emotions here. And I think that he's

01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:46.699
going to be in danger facing down a Demogorgon

01:30:46.699 --> 01:30:50.819
or a Demodog or something. But he will ultimately

01:30:50.819 --> 01:30:54.739
live. I just personally wish that nothing ever

01:30:54.739 --> 01:30:56.939
happens to that man because he's my emotionally

01:30:56.939 --> 01:31:02.359
support science teacher. Every time he's in the

01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.819
show, it's just so good. And he's, you know,

01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:09.220
he's, he deserves the best. Absolutely. I just

01:31:09.220 --> 01:31:12.680
think they don't have time to bring him in. Sierra,

01:31:13.020 --> 01:31:15.539
he's officially in season five. Oh. If you want

01:31:15.539 --> 01:31:21.500
to redo that one. Yes. In that case. Now I got

01:31:21.500 --> 01:31:24.199
to think about it for a second. Don't kill him.

01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:29.020
Don't kill him. I don't want him to die, but

01:31:29.020 --> 01:31:31.800
I do. I think, Sam, you've got a good point.

01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:35.020
I think. That he'll be in danger and potentially

01:31:35.020 --> 01:31:37.899
the boys will have to save him. And that's how

01:31:37.899 --> 01:31:40.699
he gets dragged into everything. Because he's

01:31:40.699 --> 01:31:43.939
been on the outskirts for so long and that he's

01:31:43.939 --> 01:31:45.960
really helped them without realizing it. And

01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:49.340
so I think that they'll directly help him. Just

01:31:49.340 --> 01:31:53.199
as you're talking, I am picturing how... He's

01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:56.220
finally brought into the fold and he's actually

01:31:56.220 --> 01:31:58.819
the first character to die to like really, you

01:31:58.819 --> 01:32:01.239
know, it's just like growing up, growing up moment

01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:06.220
for the kids. Protect Dr. Clark. Or Mr. Clark.

01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:09.260
Yeah, I don't want this to happen, but I could

01:32:09.260 --> 01:32:11.100
see this as just like, you know, the same as,

01:32:11.100 --> 01:32:15.380
you know, Sirius dying for Harry. This is this

01:32:15.380 --> 01:32:18.140
big moment. It reminds me of the beginning of

01:32:18.140 --> 01:32:20.060
season two in Lost. There's a character who's

01:32:20.060 --> 01:32:21.500
trying to explain that you have to be really

01:32:21.500 --> 01:32:24.319
careful with old dynamite. Because or else it'll

01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:26.399
explode. But then he gestures with it and he

01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.720
blows himself up. Yeah. So I could see... I hope

01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.579
that's not Mr. Quark. I could... I... Yeah. I

01:32:34.579 --> 01:32:36.960
don't want him to die, but I could see this could

01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:42.039
be a big moment for the kids. Yeah. Ugh. Speaking

01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:44.380
of the children, time to talk about the older

01:32:44.380 --> 01:32:48.819
teens. Jonathan. Yes, I think he dies if Will

01:32:48.819 --> 01:32:52.239
does. Yeah, I've covered my point here. I think

01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:55.659
he's dying to protect Will. And also potentially

01:32:55.659 --> 01:32:58.859
this could be after Nancy's dumped him for Steve.

01:32:58.979 --> 01:33:01.600
So he's like, I have nothing to live for. I'm

01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.720
going to save my brother. Ouch. Yeah. Sorry.

01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:13.439
Yeah. I think that if Joyce dies to save Jonathan.

01:33:14.329 --> 01:33:17.430
then he'll live. But I think that there's a good

01:33:17.430 --> 01:33:19.609
possibility that Joyce dies to save Jonathan,

01:33:19.770 --> 01:33:24.609
and then Jonathan dies to save Will. Again, the

01:33:24.609 --> 01:33:29.130
cool Byers family. Speaking of the Byers, and

01:33:29.130 --> 01:33:32.210
I guess the future Mrs. Byers, as I once called

01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:35.949
her on the podcast, Nancy, will she die? I think

01:33:35.949 --> 01:33:38.909
no. I think she's legitimately the only person

01:33:38.909 --> 01:33:41.810
that I am not at all concerned about dying. Same.

01:33:42.029 --> 01:33:45.569
Yeah, agreed. Excellent. Speaking of somebody

01:33:45.569 --> 01:33:49.689
that I am not at all sure about if he's going

01:33:49.689 --> 01:33:52.470
to die or not is Steve. And I think this is,

01:33:52.489 --> 01:33:54.350
they're wrapped up together. If Jonathan dies,

01:33:54.569 --> 01:33:57.869
then Steve doesn't. But if Jonathan doesn't die,

01:33:58.029 --> 01:34:02.210
then Steve does. I agree, but I definitely think

01:34:02.210 --> 01:34:05.229
it's going to be Jonathan. I don't want Steve

01:34:05.229 --> 01:34:07.989
to die. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say

01:34:07.989 --> 01:34:13.069
he lives. Excellent. Yeah. And his co -patriot,

01:34:13.069 --> 01:34:16.529
Robin, I think is almost as close to being safe

01:34:16.529 --> 01:34:19.210
as Nancy is. I think she'll be in danger, but

01:34:19.210 --> 01:34:22.510
I think she's going to be fine. Yeah. She's not

01:34:22.510 --> 01:34:28.829
allowed to die. Aurelia will write letters. Yeah.

01:34:30.670 --> 01:34:34.050
I'll start a petition of like, redo season five.

01:34:36.010 --> 01:34:40.340
Oh my gosh. Argyle. Now, we know that Argyle's

01:34:40.340 --> 01:34:42.640
not actually in season five, but part of me is

01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:44.100
like, are they just going to say that he died?

01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.079
Are they going to be like, Argyle died as soon

01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:50.239
as he got here. One of the spores infected his

01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:52.359
lungs. We can't breathe anymore. Or something

01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:55.539
stupid like that. I think he just went home.

01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:58.920
Yeah, the most likely thing is he's making pizzas

01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.680
in California. Excellent. All right. Good for

01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.140
him. Erica gets her own category, except for

01:35:05.140 --> 01:35:08.880
that she doesn't at all. Because in this category

01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:13.640
is Erica. What do we think? No, I think because

01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:19.340
then we wouldn't have America. I agree. I don't

01:35:19.340 --> 01:35:22.300
think she's dying. I think similarly to how we

01:35:22.300 --> 01:35:25.039
said Nancy is safe, I think Erica is safe. But

01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.000
also because I think that would be too much for

01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:31.420
this show. Yeah. To kill a kid that young. Certainly.

01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:34.000
Speaking of a kid that young, Nancy and Mike's

01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:38.140
sister. I think no. And this is the character

01:35:38.140 --> 01:35:41.659
that gets the 90s Stranger Things spinoff. I

01:35:41.659 --> 01:35:44.319
mean, something's going on with her and the Mind

01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:46.960
Flayer. She's the only one who freaking notices

01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:49.960
it all the time. She's constantly like, whoa,

01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:54.680
look, the Mind Flayer at work. Exactly. I think

01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:56.560
she has to have a few important moments, though,

01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:01.920
because that has been a theme. Yeah. So I think

01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.439
this is one of the things where listening to

01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:06.779
this podcast, which is obviously great in general,

01:36:06.899 --> 01:36:10.340
but I, on my second rewatch, still took about

01:36:10.340 --> 01:36:14.239
as much notice on her as on my first watch. I

01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.800
was like, who cares? And then you guys constantly

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:18.520
were like, but there was this moment, I was like,

01:36:18.579 --> 01:36:23.100
was there? Oh my god, I missed it. Excellent.

01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:28.920
And Susie? No, I don't think Dustin's girlfriend

01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:31.390
is going to be in trouble at all. I think her

01:36:31.390 --> 01:36:34.170
entire family will be killed by Troy, the serial

01:36:34.170 --> 01:36:38.229
killer, on the side. But otherwise, no. I do,

01:36:38.289 --> 01:36:41.649
in general, think that Susie's safe. Yeah, I

01:36:41.649 --> 01:36:45.430
think we know that she's going to be in Hawkins.

01:36:45.729 --> 01:36:47.510
She's in a still, yeah. She's in a still from

01:36:47.510 --> 01:36:52.170
the shot. It's her and Joyce and Mike who is

01:36:52.170 --> 01:36:56.229
holding up Will, who looks exhausted. So, I think

01:36:56.229 --> 01:36:59.170
she's somehow going to be relevant to figuring

01:36:59.170 --> 01:37:02.810
things out. I think she's fine. Also, like, even

01:37:02.810 --> 01:37:05.310
if she did, we don't really know her that much

01:37:05.310 --> 01:37:07.550
as viewers. Like, we've seen her, like, what,

01:37:07.569 --> 01:37:10.729
once? Yeah. It does seem like the type of person

01:37:10.729 --> 01:37:13.170
that you would kill off, though, to, like, redshirt.

01:37:13.329 --> 01:37:15.789
But I'm still going to say no. But it might be

01:37:15.789 --> 01:37:18.189
a Star Trek -y redshirt type situation to do

01:37:18.189 --> 01:37:24.689
stuff. I say yes. And what has me convinced is

01:37:24.689 --> 01:37:28.789
the still of Steve hugging a horrible -looking

01:37:28.789 --> 01:37:33.489
Dustin. And it has now convinced me that that

01:37:33.489 --> 01:37:37.189
image is from the aftermath of Susie dying. Ugh.

01:37:37.989 --> 01:37:43.649
Sorry. Okay. We're ending this pod on a very,

01:37:43.710 --> 01:37:50.890
very happy note as we transition into the kids.

01:37:51.470 --> 01:37:58.850
Aurelia, give us this category. So, to our original

01:37:58.850 --> 01:38:04.010
crew. What do we think of Lucas? I really hope

01:38:04.010 --> 01:38:08.029
not, for a couple of different reasons. One of

01:38:08.029 --> 01:38:11.130
them being, like, he's one of the only non -white

01:38:11.130 --> 01:38:13.770
characters from the original crew, and that would

01:38:13.770 --> 01:38:17.329
really suck. But also, I think that he's got

01:38:17.329 --> 01:38:20.930
a lot in his future going for him. He seems like

01:38:20.930 --> 01:38:23.710
one of the most capable. Him and Dustin. I think

01:38:23.710 --> 01:38:25.390
Mike might be stuck in Hawkins for his whole

01:38:25.390 --> 01:38:28.750
life, and Will, I think, is dying. So, I really

01:38:28.750 --> 01:38:32.239
hope not. And I think no. Yeah, I think for the

01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:34.920
same reasons, especially after having read the

01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:37.560
book from his perspective, where he actually

01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.319
comes to realize that he's one of the few, you

01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:44.060
know, non -white people in the Hawkins and how

01:38:44.060 --> 01:38:46.760
he's struggling with that and all of that. So

01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.739
I think it'd be he's safe from just that perspective.

01:38:50.380 --> 01:38:53.319
Yeah, I think that he has to be alive to help

01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:56.939
Max recover. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that they're

01:38:56.939 --> 01:39:00.670
kind of the ones who will carry on. the the group

01:39:00.670 --> 01:39:04.470
yeah talking about max what do we think about

01:39:04.470 --> 01:39:08.350
her yeah no for the same reason i just said i

01:39:08.350 --> 01:39:12.470
i feel like what's the point in saving her uh

01:39:12.470 --> 01:39:16.369
if she's going to die there's a possibility that

01:39:16.369 --> 01:39:18.829
she will have this moment where she's like no

01:39:18.829 --> 01:39:22.239
i i've been cursed like i've really been dead

01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:25.060
since the end of season four i like i was always

01:39:25.060 --> 01:39:27.899
going to pass out of this world you just have

01:39:27.899 --> 01:39:31.439
given me a bit more time uh but i i do think

01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:34.560
that she's safe although that that instance of

01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:36.680
being like you just saved me more time which

01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.260
we do see pop up in fandoms almost as a as not

01:39:39.260 --> 01:39:43.600
a cliche but it's it is used certainly uh does

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:45.539
give me a little bit of trepidation around her

01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:49.079
character yeah I think I would really like her

01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:52.939
to, as I've said, wake up and have impact to

01:39:52.939 --> 01:39:56.060
the story. But it would be really sad if she

01:39:56.060 --> 01:39:59.859
just passes in the hospital bed. Yeah. I really

01:39:59.859 --> 01:40:01.399
don't think that's going to happen. That would

01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:05.239
be crazy. That would be crazy because she's been

01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:07.399
such a great character for the show. But yeah.

01:40:08.260 --> 01:40:10.779
Talking about someone else that I personally

01:40:10.779 --> 01:40:12.619
think it would be crazy if they killed him off.

01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:16.720
Dustin. I would probably stop watching. I would

01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:19.319
honestly probably stop watching if they did.

01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.439
No, I don't think so. I think that he is the

01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:27.640
bright positivity, the optimism, the guidance

01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:31.960
of all's going to be well for this show out of

01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:35.279
this main crew. So I think no. I think also,

01:40:35.340 --> 01:40:38.380
I think with all of these characters we've seen

01:40:38.380 --> 01:40:41.819
somehow be used as like... explain what is happening

01:40:41.819 --> 01:40:44.220
to the audience type character where they would

01:40:44.220 --> 01:40:47.260
like you know break down dnd stuff to like hopper

01:40:47.260 --> 01:40:50.300
and joy so something like that or explain science

01:40:50.300 --> 01:40:53.020
stuff but i think with uh you know the others

01:40:53.020 --> 01:40:55.380
being coupled up or being otherwise occupied

01:40:55.380 --> 01:40:58.300
dustin has been more in this role than any of

01:40:58.300 --> 01:41:00.640
the other ones so i think he's sort of almost

01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:03.619
like our guide as the viewers to through what

01:41:03.619 --> 01:41:07.060
happens so i think we need him because he leads

01:41:07.060 --> 01:41:10.420
us through the story yeah So I had a really sad

01:41:10.420 --> 01:41:14.279
thought when contemplating this one. Um, and

01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:19.979
it may be a, he or Steve situation. No, I know.

01:41:20.060 --> 01:41:22.539
And I know that on the Steve one, I already said,

01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:24.840
I really hope not. So I'm going to say no, but,

01:41:24.939 --> 01:41:27.239
but in thinking about it some more, I do think

01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.380
potentially one of them will sacrifice themselves

01:41:29.380 --> 01:41:35.779
for the other. Oh, unfortunate. And finally,

01:41:36.060 --> 01:41:39.500
uh, Our favorite, certainly on this podcast,

01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:43.340
Mike. Yes, I think that he dies in the first

01:41:43.340 --> 01:41:46.319
moments of season five. We open with him just

01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:50.260
dying. No, I actually don't think Mike will die

01:41:50.260 --> 01:41:54.260
at all. I think seeing the pain of losing Will

01:41:54.260 --> 01:41:58.619
or Elle through his eyes, or both, will be more

01:41:58.619 --> 01:42:02.579
painful and more punishment than if he dies.

01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.800
I really do think it'll be one of those two dying.

01:42:06.300 --> 01:42:09.359
And Mike unable to stop it. And that will be

01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:12.779
difficult. So I think he's safe. I think he's

01:42:12.779 --> 01:42:15.659
safe purely for the whole he's the heart of the

01:42:15.659 --> 01:42:18.920
group type stuff that we learned in season four,

01:42:19.020 --> 01:42:21.939
which is obviously Will's perspective. But I

01:42:21.939 --> 01:42:24.699
think because he's the central figure between

01:42:24.699 --> 01:42:30.939
Elle and Will, I think he's safe. I also agree.

01:42:30.979 --> 01:42:33.119
I don't think he'll die. I do hope that it's

01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:36.970
because he's... sticks with nancy through at

01:42:36.970 --> 01:42:39.489
least a section of it and then we flesh out maybe

01:42:39.489 --> 01:42:41.369
a little bit more of their brother sister relationship

01:42:41.369 --> 01:42:44.470
because that was honestly one of my favorite

01:42:44.470 --> 01:42:48.569
things about what was that season two when you're

01:42:48.569 --> 01:42:52.449
right when nancy and mike were from now on no

01:42:52.449 --> 01:42:54.569
more lies and then they immediately lie to each

01:42:54.569 --> 01:42:58.449
other i want more of that energy so i would love

01:42:58.449 --> 01:43:02.350
for maybe after he's already lost one of them

01:43:02.350 --> 01:43:05.470
or maybe they L and Will are dealing with their

01:43:05.470 --> 01:43:07.670
own supernatural stuff. And so he needs to buddy

01:43:07.670 --> 01:43:10.550
up with somebody else to do whatever else is

01:43:10.550 --> 01:43:13.510
happening in Hawkins. That he's with Nancy and

01:43:13.510 --> 01:43:15.949
we get a little bit more of their dynamic. And

01:43:15.949 --> 01:43:19.149
because she's safe, then he is safe. Yeah. Yeah,

01:43:19.170 --> 01:43:24.010
makes sense. I've got a little bit about a mystery

01:43:24.010 --> 01:43:26.170
character here. You will remember, of course,

01:43:26.250 --> 01:43:29.640
in season two. Dustin thinks he's discovered

01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:32.960
a new species and it grows into a demo dog and

01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:38.920
eats the character Muse, his cat. Then he lies

01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:42.819
to his mother about where Muse is and just says

01:43:42.819 --> 01:43:46.079
Muse has gone missing and eventually gets her

01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:49.260
a kitten that we see at the end of season two.

01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:53.779
So my biggest question. is will this Muse Jr.

01:43:54.319 --> 01:44:00.479
live throughout Season 5, or will it die? Your

01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:03.020
thoughts, please. I think seeing as how many

01:44:03.020 --> 01:44:05.500
cats have died throughout Stranger Things, especially

01:44:05.500 --> 01:44:09.579
the play, I would personally recommend all cats

01:44:09.579 --> 01:44:13.000
to move away from Hawkins and go anywhere else.

01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:18.680
Jump on Argyle's van and go to California. That's

01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:21.800
Argyle's mission, is save the cats. Save the

01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:27.039
cats. Excellent. I really, I don't think so.

01:44:27.140 --> 01:44:32.380
I don't think we have to have number two. Muse

01:44:32.380 --> 01:44:36.560
two needs to stay alive. Excellent. Okay. Good

01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:42.220
to know. Clean your evil air and get ready for

01:44:42.220 --> 01:44:47.300
our I was the turkey all along category. What

01:44:47.300 --> 01:44:50.289
is? The biggest takeaway viewers should leave

01:44:50.289 --> 01:44:53.789
with in preparation for season five. There are

01:44:53.789 --> 01:44:58.350
five, just so that you know. Number one, Vecna

01:44:58.350 --> 01:45:01.149
absolutely takes Will at the beginning of season

01:45:01.149 --> 01:45:03.329
one. That's just something we have to remember.

01:45:04.229 --> 01:45:07.109
Number two, Dimension X and Hawkins combined

01:45:07.109 --> 01:45:11.270
somehow to create the Upside Down, and it seems

01:45:11.270 --> 01:45:13.850
like Will is the one who imprints his hometown

01:45:13.850 --> 01:45:18.850
in that liminal void space. AKA, the Upside Down

01:45:18.850 --> 01:45:22.750
is the space between these two distinct parallel

01:45:22.750 --> 01:45:25.210
worlds, universes, whatever you want to say.

01:45:25.670 --> 01:45:29.649
Number three. Henry Creel accidentally visited

01:45:29.649 --> 01:45:32.590
Dimension X. It's not the Upside Down, it's Dimension

01:45:32.590 --> 01:45:36.250
X. Before he gained his powers, his powers started

01:45:36.250 --> 01:45:38.989
after being lost for 12 hours in Dimension X,

01:45:39.050 --> 01:45:41.670
and he could hear the mind flare, which tilted

01:45:41.670 --> 01:45:46.699
him towards madness and evil. Number four. L's

01:45:46.699 --> 01:45:49.300
mother was given blood transfusions from Vecna

01:45:49.300 --> 01:45:53.319
when he was one in the Hawkins lab. And that's

01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.939
part of the reasons why she has powers. And the

01:45:55.939 --> 01:45:59.680
last one, just so we remember, L has the power

01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:03.180
to distinctly open portals. And Vecna couldn't

01:46:03.180 --> 01:46:06.319
do that, he said, until he stole L's powers at

01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:10.199
the end of season three. Today's public service

01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.859
announcement. Watch all the content. Go find

01:46:13.859 --> 01:46:16.340
all the ancillary details because they may be

01:46:16.340 --> 01:46:20.279
vitally important. They may. They may be vitally

01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:22.960
important. It turns out the play. Go to London.

01:46:23.579 --> 01:46:26.800
Vitally important. Yeah, gosh. Go to London.

01:46:26.819 --> 01:46:28.600
Go visit a friend in London and see the play

01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:31.319
before this comes out. Which this episode comes

01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:34.479
out the Tuesday before. So fly Wednesday to London

01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:41.329
and see it that night. Thank you, listener schmissners,

01:46:41.390 --> 01:46:43.850
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01:47:06.770 --> 01:47:09.600
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01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:44.079
And fare thee well. And I'm Sam Williams. And

01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:48.100
welcome to our guest for this podcast, who is

01:47:48.100 --> 01:47:52.760
also our executive producer. Welcome to Aurelia.

01:47:52.819 --> 01:47:54.579
Nope, that's not how you say Aurelia. I don't

01:47:54.579 --> 01:47:59.020
know why I rolled my R's. You are Spanish now.

01:47:59.739 --> 01:48:06.250
It is a Latin name, so, you know. Alright, let's

01:48:06.250 --> 01:48:09.369
try that again. My voice also cracked in the

01:48:09.369 --> 01:48:11.789
middle of me saying, uh, welcome to our guest!

01:48:14.250 --> 01:48:17.729
That's our guest, an executive producer, O 'Reilly

01:48:17.729 --> 01:48:23.949
Leib! Alright, here we go. And I'm saying - Oh

01:48:23.949 --> 01:48:31.250
god, I bit my tooth! How did I do that?! Oh,

01:48:31.250 --> 01:48:35.000
there's already so many bloopers here. Oh! Oh

01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:37.060
my gosh. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Are you

01:48:37.060 --> 01:48:41.380
okay? Yeah, I'm good. I just like, I don't know

01:48:41.380 --> 01:48:43.979
how, but I really hit my tooth with my other

01:48:43.979 --> 01:48:46.760
tooth. Come back into the war to leadership.

01:48:46.779 --> 01:48:48.659
And he is quite old. They give him a fake beer

01:48:48.659 --> 01:48:51.699
because a fake beer. No, they give him a fake

01:48:51.699 --> 01:48:52.140
beard.