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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sam Williams. And I'm Sierra Obermark. Today's

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episode, we will be melodiously maundering about

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Stranger Things Season 4, Episodes 5 through

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8. Without further ado, we will, as Roger Smith

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says, dive on in. So get up to 88 because it

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is time to travel back to our story recap. Episode

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5. The agent was dead to begin with. That's a

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Dickens reference. Sorry. Merry Christmas or

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July. We don't know when you're listening to

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this. But in actuality, of the two special agents

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guarding Will, Mike, and Jonathan, one is captured

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and the other is now dead. But before he died,

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he gave the crew. The coordinates to Nina, which

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they think is a girl, but the audience knows

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is a giant machine made to bring Eleven's powers

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back online. At 6 '3", 120 pounds, it's Dr. Papa

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Brenner! Eh. He's come back to help Eleven work

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through some memories and get the ball rolling

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on flipping her proverbial power switch back

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on. Joyce and Murray, who were betrayed recently

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by a man named Yuri, overcome him and crash his

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plane, but survive because plot armor? Hopper

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waxes poetic about death, his daughter, and feeling

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cursed to his new friend enemy, Enzo slash Dimitri.

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But most importantly, our Scooby -Doobies have

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figured out that in the Upside Down, Vecna exists

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in the old murder mansion, and they can track

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him using lights, like Joyce did with Will in

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Season 1. Oh. But Jason and the Argonauts have

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found Eddie, and they follow him out into the

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lake. And did I mention that one of the basketball

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players, Patrick, has been having nosebleeds

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and visions of a clock? I'm sure he'll be okay.

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Episode 6, he is, in fact, and say it with me

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now, dead. Cue the overmark. Dun, dun, dun. Jason

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is questioned and realizes the police do not

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believe his story that the devil has killed Patrick.

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Jason makes a rousing speech to get the whole

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town to hate Eddie and hunt him. What no one

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realizes is that down in the depths of the lake,

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right below where Patrick was killed, a gate

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has opened. The evil side of the U .S. government

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is torturing the other secret agent who they

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captured to find and kill Eleven. Eleven is a

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danger to no one, for she's agreed to work with

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Papa to get her powers back and finds her memory

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self talking with a kindly orderly who is definitely

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not important and super not the origin story

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we are looking for in Vecna. But he's kind to

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Eleven now when all the other kids bully her.

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The Desert crew, Mike, Argyle, Will, and Jonathan,

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have driven to Utah to meet Dustin's techie girlfriend,

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Susie, who helps them find where the exact coordinates

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of Nina are. Murray and Joyce use Yuri to break

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into the Russian prison, while Hopper and Enzo

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have been sentenced to death by Demogorgon. Hopper

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stages a fake fight with Enzo to grab a lighter

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off a guard, because, lest we all forget, fire

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is the Demo's only weakness. These Scooby -Doobies

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figure out a gate must have opened up in the

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lake, and the older teens, Eddie, Steve, Nancy,

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and Robin, go out on the lake to confirm said

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water gate. But cops arrive, and Max, Lucas,

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and Dustin distract them as Steve is grabbed

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by a tentacle and plunged into the Upside Down,

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where fun little bats try to kill him. Episode

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7, But They Can't Kill Him. For Nancy, Robin,

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and Eddie arrive to save the day, lose where

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the gate is, and run away from more bat swarms.

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But no matter, because Eleven is on her way to

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save, wait, no she's not, she's still stuck in

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memory land trying to get her powers back on.

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She keeps diving into these memories about kids

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bullying her and planning to kill her, you know,

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childhood. But Vecna slash Henry slash One has

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a plan to get Eleven out of there. One and Brenner

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both know Eleven is more powerful than any of

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them, and they both have ulterior motives. She

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escapes with One, and takes out his implant chip,

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which Brenner can explode. But it turns out that

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it was an inhibitor chip, which stopped One from

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using his mind powers. This enables One to go

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on a great, joyous, happy, murdering rampage

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of many children, before trying to tell Eleven

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that he is Vecna all along, and also... He wants

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her to help him reform the whole world in his

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image, which she doesn't really like, and then

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they fight, and then she sends him to the Upside

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Down, and now we're all caught up. Hopper hatches

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a plan to fight the Demogorgon back in Russia,

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which kind of works, and Murray and Joyce infiltrate

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the base, freeing Hopper finally. which also

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kind of works, the young half of our scoobs must

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find a way to help the older half of the doobs

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stuck in the Upside Down. The older doobs need

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weapons, so they head to Nancy's room in the

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Upside Down, because in real life she has guns

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in her room, but they aren't there. Instead,

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Nancy figures out that the Upside Down Hawkins

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version was created the day Will went missing,

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the day Elle created the gate in Season 1. By

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using lights and electricity, the scoobs are

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able to relay that there is another gate in Eddie's

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trailer. The doobs rush there, only for Vecna

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to grab Nancy. Making us feel like Nancy, not

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Max, will be one of Vecna's next victims. And

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you know who literally isn't in this episode

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at all? Argyle, Jonathan, Will, and Mike. Episode

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8! After Nancy sees Vecna's origin story, he

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shows her his plan, opening a giant gate to Hawkins.

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Hopper, Murray, Yuri, and Joyce escape the Russian

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base and find Katinka, their ride home. Eleven

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has her powers back after remembering how she

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created Vecna, and they seemed to power up a

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bit? Maybe? She can lift an 11 ,000 ton tank

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with her mind. That's definitely more than a

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van. But Eleven has now made psychic one -way

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contact with her friends, and they are in dire

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trouble. She wants to leave. Dr. Sam says yes.

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Brenner says absolutely not and stops her, only

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for the evil side of the U .S. military to show

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up and try and kill everyone. But here comes

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Mike, Will, Jonathan, and Argyle bearing the

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flag of the show's worst storyline, finally making

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themselves relevant again and saving Eleven from

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a sniper. They need to get to Hawkins to save

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Max. Why? Well, Nancy relays Vecna's plan to

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the Scooby -Doobs, a giant gate and army, essentially

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Armageddon. They hatch a plan to kill Vecna.

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They need to get Vecna to remote travel to kill

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his next victim. He'll go into a trance, and

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then they can kill him in the Upside Down. But

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they need to control the timing of this, so Max

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offers herself up as bait. And off we go into

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the finale. Hopper, Joyce, and Murray, plus Enzo

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and Yuri, trying to fly back from Russia, Mike,

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Eleven, Jonathan, Will, and Argyle driving back

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to Hawkins, and the Scooby Doobies marching into

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the murder mansion to offer up Max so they have

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a chance to kill Vecna. Breathe, everybody. We'll

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get through this together. Just hold our proverbial

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hands. Yes, it's okay. Here we go. Well, friends,

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find your donut holes. It's time for our Knives

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Out category, where we sleuth out which three

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storylines are the most vital to pay attention

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to out of everything we just discussed. Yeah,

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okay. So the three are The Creel House and the

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Upside Down, a .k .a. The Hawkins Crew, The Scooby

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Doobies. Number two, Eleven's Powers, which seem

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important. And number three, From Russia, With

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Love, Again. So our first storyline, the Creel

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house and the upside down. Max draws Vecna's

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mind palace after she gets back and Nancy realizes

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that it is Victor Creel's house. They go and

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explore the house and using lights, they find

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where Vecna is. And now they can tell when he

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is using his powers to kill. They go and they

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meet up with Eddie, who unfortunately was present.

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For yet another death. And while they are all

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getting together, there's a town hall meeting

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where all of the kids become suspects in these

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murders because of their connection with Eddie

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and Hellfire Club. While this is happening, they

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figure out everything about Vecna, how he works.

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Dustin figures out that there is a gate at each

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kill site because of the changes in the electromagnetic

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field. His compass is malfunctioning again. They're

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able to find the Watergate, as they dub it, and

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Steve gets pulled through with Nancy, Robin,

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and Eddie going after him while Dustin, Max,

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and Lucas distract and are caught by the cops

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who are looking for them because of aforementioned

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town hall meeting. The older teens make it to

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the Wheeler house in the upside down in order

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to try to find weaponry that Nancy has stored

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away. But they find that it is stuck in the day

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that Will went missing in season one. However,

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they are able to make noise and contact the younger

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teens who are in the present day reality Wheeler

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house in the non upside down in the right side

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up question mark. They. Recruit Erica, steal

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a light bright from a child, and then communicate

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with each other in order to figure out what the

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plan is. And then they set off towards the gate

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in Eddie's trailer, because that's easier than

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diving into water and going through that way.

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They all see each other through this very odd

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gravity -defying gate. They form a floating rope.

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Through the barrier, and Eddie and Robin make

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it back, but Nancy is caught by Vecna and forced

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to relive Barb's death before Vecna tells Nancy

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everything about who he was as Henry, as one,

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the lab massacre, and tells his plans for the

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world, leaving her with horrible visions and

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the chilling, I want you to tell Eleven, tell

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her everything you see. They make a plan to use

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Max as bait. They stock up on weapons, where

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they run into Jason and company doing the same,

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and they arrive at the Creel house after having

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some really sweet little moments together, and

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they drop off Max, Lucas, and Erica. Why is this

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so important, Sam, besides it being a lot? Okay,

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so there's a lot of stuff in terms of how do

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we kill. And how does Vecna work and how do we

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kill Vecna? That pops up in here. So we've got

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this. Oh, okay. So he's connected to the mansion

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because Nancy is able to look at Max's drawings.

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And even though she's not Will in terms of an

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artist, she is able to, Nancy is able to recognize

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some things and put it together because she's

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already investigated Victor Creel. So they're

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able to go there. And while they're there, figure

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out that that's where Vecna's living because

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the light's going off, et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera. This is so important because without

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any of this information, we don't really have

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an idea of the setting of where people need to

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be and how it's all going to work. Also, when

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they're in Victor Creel's old house, the murder

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mansion, they witness Vecna there and then shattering

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all the lights around them. Later, when they

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realize he's transporting remotely to go and

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make his attacks, they're like, oh, oh, he's

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there. He's there when this happens, which leads

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directly to the final when they set up there

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in order to get into the gate through Eddie's

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car home thing and then off into the mansion

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to face the physical form of Vecna while he's

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trying to attack Max. But also this gives us

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a ton of emotional. It gives us way more Lucas

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and Max depth, which really makes the finale

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hit home. It gives us a ton of Nancy and Steve

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romance lines, which is setting up this love

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triangle for season five. It shows off Eddie's

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bravery, which we'll talk about a lot throughout

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this podcast episode, the next podcast episode.

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And in general, just really gives us the crux

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of the story for this season. And also it brings

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the most characters together, which is going

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to be really fun because season five is going

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to be everyone's in the same place. So it's giving

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us a little taste of that as well from a writing

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standpoint. Yeah, it is. It is definitely very

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nice. I think one of the talking about the emotional

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points, this sequence that we get where they're

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all kind of practicing with their weapons and

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getting used to what their role is going to be

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in this four part plan. that they're putting

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together really sweet moments between Nancy and

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Max, who we don't really see together that often.

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They have this really nice moment of this bonding.

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And we get to see Dustin and Eddie being goofy.

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And enjoying each other's company, even in the

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face of what's going on. We get to see Steve

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and Robin continuing to connect. We get to see

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all these little moments of them kind of trading

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around of who they're talking to and almost saying

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their little final goodbyes to each other in

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a way before they enter what could potentially

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be death for all of them or any of them, any

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number of them. I really, really enjoyed, especially

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on a second watch through that whole sequence

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of just seeing the little emotional beats that

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we can get and how they're all going to carry

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us through, through the end of this season and

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through the next season as well. Yeah, absolutely.

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Our second storyline, Eleven's Powers. So it

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turns out that Owens is working with Brenner.

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Eleven freaks out, which is understandable, and

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tries to run but is subdued because that's what

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kind of Brenner's whole MO is. She wakes up in

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a loop of a memory stuck in the Rainbow Room

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from Hawkins Lab, being approached by an orderly

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and realizes she has to follow the memory through

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sort of like a video game where you have to start

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matching and remember where everything is, like

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a Groundhog Day memory. She begins going through

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the memories of having trouble with lessons and

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her powers and is resuscitated after having an

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episode, but attacks Brenner and the others and

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tries to escape and then turns back and decides

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that she does want to recover her memories because

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she wants to recover her power. The orderly in

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these memories begins to help her, telling her

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about Papa, his lies, and how one was real, not

00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.240
a legend, because she's there with two through

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herself. One isn't actually around anywhere.

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During a competition, Eleven uses her anger to

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power her powers and uses only one hand. But

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her win makes some of the other children angry

00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.799
and they attack Eleven, which the orderly lets

00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:43.700
her know was planned by Papa. And they will kill

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her next time because Papa is scared of her power

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and needs control. The orderly has a plan to

00:16:50.779 --> 00:16:53.200
get her out, but he can't come because Papa put

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a tracker in his neck. She removes the tracker,

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only for him to realize that he is one during

00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:03.620
their escape. He tells Eleven to stay, but after

00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:06.339
time and screaming, she investigates to find

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out that he has killed everyone. As the memory

00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.730
one is telling his story to Eleven, At the same

00:17:14.730 --> 00:17:17.930
time, Nancy is hearing Vecna tell the exact same

00:17:17.930 --> 00:17:22.589
thing to her. Eleven refuses to join One in the

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memories and in the past, and they fight, her

00:17:25.569 --> 00:17:29.710
blasting him into the Upside Down, creating him

00:17:29.710 --> 00:17:33.549
anew as Vecna. Eleven wakes in the real world

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and tests her powers, finding out that her friends

00:17:36.369 --> 00:17:40.430
are in danger. But Papa doesn't think she's ready,

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as One has been gaining power this whole time.

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Owen says it is her choice, but Brenner chains

00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.960
up Owen and tries to make Eleven stay by explaining

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they were searching for the Soviets, not Henry,

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which Eleven calls him out on. He knocks her

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out and collars her just as the military arrives

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and kills everyone, including Brenner, who is

00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.059
shot trying to get Eleven and him out. Eleven

00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:09.799
brings down a helicopter using two hands just

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as the California boys arrive. And in his last

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moments, Brenna releases the collar, asking her

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to understand why he did it, and that it was

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all to protect her. They leave to get back to

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Hawkins tonight, otherwise all their friends

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will die. So, Sierra, why is this important?

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Why do we care? I think there's two main reasons

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for this plotline. One is... more of the backstory

00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:43.710
of vecna yeah because while nancy is getting

00:18:43.710 --> 00:18:48.109
a lot of information it is also an unreliable

00:18:48.109 --> 00:18:51.069
narrator because he doesn't tell her the full

00:18:51.069 --> 00:18:53.950
story yeah totally and he does make it seem like

00:18:53.950 --> 00:18:57.609
11 caused the massacre and 11 was the one who

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killed all of the people in the lab whereas when

00:19:01.829 --> 00:19:06.190
we get it from 11's own memories we are seeing

00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:09.859
Much more of the reality of the situation, that

00:19:09.859 --> 00:19:12.900
it was one, he's the one who lost control and

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went on this rampage. And also we get a little

00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:22.519
bit more of his mindset as one, not as Henry.

00:19:22.819 --> 00:19:26.799
Yeah. Because while he is the same person, Henry,

00:19:26.900 --> 00:19:31.000
one, Vecna, it's a different stage in his life

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that we're getting. a little bit more backstory

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on. So together, they create the full story of

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who Vecna is. And we get then another lore drop

00:19:42.819 --> 00:19:47.740
in the finale, but these are the two main sections.

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So we're getting a lot more information about

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one, about Papa, about the lab, about how Eleven

00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:58.079
basically was raised and trained, and her story

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as well, and how she ended up opening the gate

00:20:01.970 --> 00:20:04.569
in the first place, being connected to the upside

00:20:04.569 --> 00:20:09.650
down, etc. The other important thing is really

00:20:09.650 --> 00:20:13.309
her powers and being able to access those again

00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:18.650
using the same techniques that she used in the

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past. Because as we find out, she had powers,

00:20:22.470 --> 00:20:26.380
she grew those abilities. When she fights one

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and sends him through the upside down, she loses

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all of her powers and has to retrain again with

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Dr. Brenner. That's why she's still there, is

00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:40.099
to retrain her powers again. So this is the second

00:20:40.099 --> 00:20:43.279
time now that she's gone through this. It is

00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.519
very interesting, though, that Brenner believes

00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.779
that she doesn't need to physically train this

00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:54.230
second time and that she can experience. initial

00:20:54.230 --> 00:20:57.329
training and unlocking of her memories in order

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to unlock her almost tearing down a wall in her

00:21:00.970 --> 00:21:04.289
mind yeah so it's like writer's block for superpowers

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yes exactly exactly so those are the two main

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focuses of this storyline that really come into

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play i'll also say i think this really puts to

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bed the hawkins lab storyline at this point We

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were teased about Brenner being alive in season

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two. He's come back. He's now officially, like,

00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.819
he's dead. He's dead dead. I will be entirely,

00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:32.000
thoroughly pissed off if they're like, oh, no,

00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:33.759
but then people came and they revived him and

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it's all good. No, no, no. This is over. And

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maybe Dr. Owens will be in the next season. But

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I think in terms of, like, growing up, all that

00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.359
sort of stuff, that main storyline, the hangups

00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.119
of it, a lot of the holes have been plugged.

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There may be some Vecna. 1 .11 stuff that we

00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.619
get. But in general, I think that this Brenner

00:21:54.619 --> 00:21:57.880
storyline is completely done. And I think, well,

00:21:58.059 --> 00:22:00.980
well done. It was worth Brenner coming back to

00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:05.519
do this. And we found it very satisfying to see

00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.619
a lot more of the origins, etc. What happened

00:22:08.619 --> 00:22:10.759
to all the other kids. So they're really doing

00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.670
a nice job of... of tying up what could be loose

00:22:13.670 --> 00:22:16.710
ends. And I think with a big series franchise

00:22:16.710 --> 00:22:18.829
like this, you think of Game of Thrones, you

00:22:18.829 --> 00:22:21.549
think of Lost, right? Two enormous franchises,

00:22:21.589 --> 00:22:25.470
two enormous fandoms that did not tie up their

00:22:25.470 --> 00:22:27.349
loose ends as well as people would have liked.

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The Duffer Brothers are doing a much better job

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of doing that. And it gives me hope for season

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five. Yes, very much so. Our third storyline

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from Russia with love. Where we find love again.

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So after the group is betrayed by Yuri, Hopper

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and Dimitri are locked up together somewhere

00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.019
new. Still in the prison, but a new section.

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Joyce and Marie overtake Yuri in his plane as

00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.960
he's going to deliver them. And they crash it,

00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.349
but... They're fine. And they make a plan to

00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:10.809
walk into the prison, essentially, delivering

00:23:10.809 --> 00:23:16.930
themselves, but with Murray portraying Yuri,

00:23:17.150 --> 00:23:20.410
because that's not confusing enough. Dimitri

00:23:20.410 --> 00:23:23.509
and Hopper face new horrors, a succulent banquet,

00:23:23.690 --> 00:23:28.349
where Hopper reveals he knows much about Demogorgons

00:23:28.349 --> 00:23:31.750
and stages a drunken fight to obtain a lighter

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and vodka. Hopper is about to face the Demogorgon

00:23:35.980 --> 00:23:40.259
as Joyce and Murray arrive. The prisoners gather

00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:43.440
their weapons as they are there to train the

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.880
beast or give it entertaining food, neither of

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which are great options, and Hopper creates his

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fire as the prisoners die. Murray reveals himself

00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:58.059
and takes the warden hostage as Dimitri and Hopper

00:23:58.059 --> 00:24:01.240
remain to escape through the door that Joyce

00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.539
has now opened. Hopper spears the Demogorgon

00:24:04.539 --> 00:24:08.980
and our lovebirds are reunited at last. Reunited

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and it doesn't feel good to be sued. Turns out,

00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:20.980
though, Demogorgons can climb and it hops out

00:24:20.980 --> 00:24:23.519
of the enclosure, attacking soldiers left and

00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:27.779
right. And as it does so, the group hears shrieks

00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:31.819
from another room where they find another. Demogorgon

00:24:31.819 --> 00:24:35.960
specimen tied to a table for investigation. As

00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.819
Hopper puts it out of its misery, they realize

00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:44.059
there is a whole lab growing Demodogs, Demogorgons,

00:24:44.059 --> 00:24:47.940
and the like, and they also have the shadow monster

00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:52.400
question mark contained? Yeah, that's wild. That's

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.099
a crazy moment. That, like, I totally glossed

00:24:55.099 --> 00:24:57.480
over. What? Totally glossed over any time watching,

00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.230
and this time I was like, wait, that's... That's

00:25:00.230 --> 00:25:05.930
the shadow monster. It's inside a vessel. Yes.

00:25:06.009 --> 00:25:12.009
So many questions. They do gloss over this as

00:25:12.009 --> 00:25:14.930
well and escape through a tunnel and drive off

00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:19.450
while threatening Yuri to please fix up his helicopter,

00:25:19.829 --> 00:25:24.329
aka Katinka, and take them back to America. Yeah.

00:25:24.529 --> 00:25:29.509
Whew. Not a lot, but a lot. Not a lot, but a

00:25:29.509 --> 00:25:32.869
lot, certainly. I think the not a lot is the

00:25:32.869 --> 00:25:36.950
fact that a lot of this storyline is used for

00:25:36.950 --> 00:25:40.670
two different things. Hopper action, so like

00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:44.650
action star moments where we're doing a Bruce

00:25:44.650 --> 00:25:47.930
Willis, we're doing a Rambo, we're doing a sort

00:25:47.930 --> 00:25:51.779
of Harrison Ford. where he has action -adventure

00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:54.500
moments of battling the Beast as the hero. We

00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:58.359
also have huge moments of comedy relief, where

00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:00.940
Winona Ryder and the guy who plays Murray, whose

00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:05.000
name is escaping me, Joyce and Murray are used

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.480
for comedic relief, really, and Yuri as well.

00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:09.759
And we get to see Murray doing this impeccable

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.440
job of using his Russian, and the fact that he

00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.319
looks a lot like Yuri, if you don't know who

00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.240
Yuri looks like. To get through this Russian

00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.319
prison. So there's like writing standpoints where

00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:21.759
we get action adventure in a way that isn't as

00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:26.259
scary or as horror based. As compared with like

00:26:26.259 --> 00:26:29.460
Vecna breaking bones and smashing eyes. God,

00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.700
that's what I want my band name to be. Breaking

00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:35.619
bones and smashing eyes. It's your first single.

00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:39.559
But also, there are these huge implications about

00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.220
what the Russians have been doing, filling in

00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.349
more holes. You know. tying up more loose ends.

00:26:45.650 --> 00:26:49.869
And also there's this huge reveal that is like,

00:26:49.990 --> 00:26:52.109
how is this going to work into season five? Or

00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:53.670
is it even going to mean anything? The fact that

00:26:53.670 --> 00:26:58.009
in the right side up, as we're calling it, you

00:26:58.009 --> 00:27:01.269
can contain the particles that are the shadow

00:27:01.269 --> 00:27:04.250
monster, which we'll see in the finale, having

00:27:04.250 --> 00:27:06.769
the particles of the shadow monster, super dangerous,

00:27:06.990 --> 00:27:09.769
especially if you've got carcass vessels of its

00:27:09.769 --> 00:27:15.900
favorite dogs around. Yes. Not an ideal situation

00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:20.200
to have placed yourself in. But, like, I don't

00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.039
understand. How do they contain the shadow monster?

00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.599
It's shadow. It's vapor. It's, like, air mist.

00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.759
They vacuum sealed it? Yeah, but it is... But

00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.039
how'd they get it? Particles? Right. Yeah, I

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:34.339
know. So many questions that I kind of feel like

00:27:34.339 --> 00:27:37.099
we won't get answers to on that particular topic.

00:27:38.259 --> 00:27:40.519
Frustratingly enough. Very annoying. I don't...

00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.000
Yeah. There's other... There's bigger fish to

00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:49.230
fry. In season five. Vecna. Does Will have powers?

00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:52.769
Is Vecna the Demogorgon? All of these things

00:27:52.769 --> 00:27:54.049
we're going to talk about in a little bit, y

00:27:54.049 --> 00:27:57.190
'all. So keep your finger on the pause button

00:27:57.190 --> 00:28:00.190
and rewind that tape. It's the prestige category

00:28:00.190 --> 00:28:03.190
for what did we notice on this watch through.

00:28:03.650 --> 00:28:07.819
Episode five. Owens is being so nice and then

00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:10.900
suddenly we get to Brenner and then it isn't

00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:14.759
Eleven's choice anymore if she gets to go into

00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.920
Nina and get her powers back or anything like

00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.000
that. Essentially, I just, I love Owens. I know,

00:28:21.019 --> 00:28:24.039
he's great. And he's so sweet and he's so great

00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:28.180
and, you know, he sees the stakes that we're

00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:32.470
facing and we really need... Eleven to get her

00:28:32.470 --> 00:28:36.529
powers back in order to fight this evil. But

00:28:36.529 --> 00:28:40.410
Owens is so cognizant of the fact that Eleven

00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:44.390
is still essentially a child, but should also

00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:47.670
have her own autonomy. And then we get Brenner,

00:28:47.670 --> 00:28:50.029
who's just the exact opposite and is just, no,

00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:52.380
you're going to do this. It's not your... It's

00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:54.960
very MKUltra, right? He's very much of the ilk

00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.460
of, like, you get no say versus Owens is sort

00:28:57.460 --> 00:28:59.859
of the, like, after the CIA gets caught, they're

00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:03.319
like, okay, no, sorry, we'll be better. But Owens

00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.720
is such this good, positive guy. And he's just

00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.339
so heartwarming. But I've got a question for

00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.700
you. What do you think about Brenner being brought

00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:13.619
back like this? That this is the reason why they

00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:16.839
bring him back? I think it is the only thing

00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.859
that really makes sense. I don't know that there's

00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:22.759
another way to bring him back that would be satisfying.

00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:28.980
Yeah. It would feel too deus ex machina for him

00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:33.200
to appear in any other circumstance. Right. But

00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.759
I do enjoy that his coming back is very contained

00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.440
to this specific mission. Yeah. This specific

00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:46.380
location. Yeah. He doesn't interact with... Everyone,

00:29:46.460 --> 00:29:49.559
he is only interacting with Owens and with Eleven.

00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.980
Yeah. And that is it. And it is a very insular

00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:58.559
story that doesn't, I don't mind him coming back

00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.579
for this, especially after the tease of he's

00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:06.619
still alive that we get when Eleven is off on

00:30:06.619 --> 00:30:11.480
her grunge mission. Yeah, in Chicago. Yeah. So

00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:16.890
I do like that. We came back around to him. I

00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:18.730
think that he is a very interesting character.

00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:23.789
And I do like that he gets this moment. Yeah.

00:30:23.849 --> 00:30:27.950
I do. I was thinking a lot about what would be

00:30:27.950 --> 00:30:29.690
– because the first time I watched this, I remembered

00:30:29.690 --> 00:30:32.769
being like, this doesn't live up to the hype

00:30:32.769 --> 00:30:36.430
of Brenner as this really evil dude from season

00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:38.750
one. And then you get this tease and you feel

00:30:38.750 --> 00:30:41.309
like it's – I don't know. It feels akin to like

00:30:41.309 --> 00:30:44.920
if Scar came back. only to give Simba some lessons

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.500
about being king. And, like, I don't know that

00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.880
Brenner's storyline here ever reaches, like,

00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:54.799
the heights that I was expecting in the first

00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.799
watch, but I also think it would be too melodramatic

00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.519
if he, like, came back to take down Eleven with

00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.980
his own number 12 or whatever. Like, you start

00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:05.099
to get very Smallville, very Monster of the Week,

00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:08.339
very, like, old television. Deal, I think he

00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:10.640
would do that. So I like the way he comes back,

00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.799
and you make a really excellent point. I think

00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.920
it's super important that he's just with Ellen

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.119
Owens in this one spot doing this one thing,

00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:21.259
and then they kill him off. Mm -hmm. Also, did

00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:24.480
we say cue the Obermark for Brenner? No, and

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.180
we didn't say it for the agent at the beginning

00:31:26.180 --> 00:31:29.180
either. Okay, so pour one out. Cue the Obermark

00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:31.200
for Howard, or Hammer, whatever his name is.

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.819
Dun -dun -dun. So a really good eulogy, whatever

00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:38.180
his name is. And then cue the overmark for Brenner.

00:31:38.619 --> 00:31:42.700
Dun -dun -dun. Thank you. Excellent. All right.

00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.240
Sierra, another big question for you. Is the

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.819
explanation of Eleven's powers being cut off

00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:50.599
because she had similar symptoms to a stroke

00:31:50.599 --> 00:32:00.980
make any sense? No. Short answer. I... I have

00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:05.960
a hard time with this because it seems as though

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:12.460
Brenner is likening the result of whatever happened

00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:16.079
to her as the result of someone who has had a

00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.680
stroke and learning to walk again. That's his

00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.880
big comparison is, you know, we need her to walk.

00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:26.990
We need her to run as a stroke victim. would

00:32:26.990 --> 00:32:30.869
have to regain their abilities. So Eleven, after

00:32:30.869 --> 00:32:34.329
whatever she has experienced, has to regain her

00:32:34.329 --> 00:32:39.470
abilities. And I just don't know that... I understand

00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:46.430
the recovery analogy being similar. I just have

00:32:46.430 --> 00:32:51.460
a hard time with the... Still, because I still

00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:53.500
don't feel that it's really explained because

00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:55.839
I think that when he's doing his stroke analogy,

00:32:56.019 --> 00:32:58.740
it's really about the recovery and still not

00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:01.980
about how we got here to begin with. We still

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:04.339
don't really understand. Is it a, some mental

00:33:04.339 --> 00:33:06.759
injury? Is it some physical injury? You know,

00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.299
her unlocking these memories is what unlocks

00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:11.900
her powers, but she didn't have these memories

00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:19.200
before the fight with the mind flare. It doesn't

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.799
fully connect in my head how we got here. I think

00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.420
that's my problem as well. So he likens it to

00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:29.240
a stroke victim needing to recover. And I get

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.799
that her brain is the source of her power. It's

00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.019
the same with Vecna. It's brain. And so if you're

00:33:35.019 --> 00:33:39.339
saying a stroke is the cutoff of blood to your

00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:42.680
brain, you can see how, okay, that might short

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.880
-circuit her powers and she needs a reboot. But

00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.920
without directly saying, Hey, the numbers on

00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.200
your chart indicate that you had a stroke -like

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.200
event for you, which, because your brain is so

00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.059
powerful, it was able to survive your normal

00:33:56.059 --> 00:33:58.180
functions but cut off your brain. I need, like,

00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.759
a more overt explanation like that than what

00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.200
we got. Because what we got is, it's like a stroke

00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.880
for your recovery, but her powers aren't blood

00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.400
-based, and the Mind Flayer's little... gulag

00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.940
slippery substance thing was in her leg it never

00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:17.539
seemed like l was giving any of the symptoms

00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:20.980
of a stroke victim there was no slurred speech

00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:23.139
there was no sagging of one side of the face

00:34:23.139 --> 00:34:25.280
there was no any of this stuff that you're taught

00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.079
to look for for stroke victims so i like i just

00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:34.039
need a better sort of meet you of why her power

00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:40.139
stopped yes yeah i agree I think it's a tricky

00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:43.559
subject there. And I think the reason why you

00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:44.940
and I are harping on this so much is because

00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.980
the show does a fairly good job with all of its

00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.460
science. Right. And so it's just really, this

00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:53.679
major plot point just ends up feeling a little

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.820
contrived. And this is the type of stuff that

00:34:57.820 --> 00:35:02.239
regular watchers who don't like deep diving and

00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:03.579
just like watching and taking it in, which is

00:35:03.579 --> 00:35:06.369
a totally great way to... To do TV. Oh, yeah.

00:35:06.570 --> 00:35:10.769
And saves you a lot of aches and pains. But if

00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:12.730
you're just doing that, this is the type of stuff

00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:15.909
that maybe you're not vocalizing, but that bothers

00:35:15.909 --> 00:35:19.690
you. Inconsistency and predictability, I feel

00:35:19.690 --> 00:35:23.230
like, are the two layman's biggest problems with

00:35:23.230 --> 00:35:25.690
shows and fandoms and stuff like this. And this

00:35:25.690 --> 00:35:28.750
is... It feels a little inconsistent. This is

00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:31.230
a big enough question to make everybody go, but...

00:35:31.449 --> 00:35:33.590
But I guess, you know, maybe they are trusting

00:35:33.590 --> 00:35:36.449
the audience to just be like, yep, got it. Yeah,

00:35:36.469 --> 00:35:41.230
it's true. We could be diving too deep. Also,

00:35:41.369 --> 00:35:45.269
kind of still with Brenner and Owens and Eleven,

00:35:45.469 --> 00:35:49.510
there's this image when Brenner knocks her out

00:35:49.510 --> 00:35:53.630
and she's laying in his arms and Owens and the

00:35:53.630 --> 00:35:57.110
others are standing around. I couldn't help but

00:35:57.110 --> 00:36:00.159
notice that it. Seems like a painting almost.

00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.139
It's a really good triptych. Not triptych. It's

00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:08.400
this. Tableau. Yes. It's this really almost beautiful

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:14.059
imagery that we're getting. And kind of this

00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:20.000
romantic style of how she's laying sprawled in

00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.420
his lap and his arms. And then everyone else

00:36:22.420 --> 00:36:26.280
is kind of watching and gathered around. There's

00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.920
a moment later that I think it mirrors as well,

00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.699
which is in Brenner's death. And I'll get there

00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:38.079
when we get to that moment in this noticing.

00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:44.300
But it is a very interesting tidbit for me. Totally.

00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:49.639
As an art person. Absolutely. So continuing with

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:54.789
these individuals. As someone who very much cares

00:36:54.789 --> 00:36:57.889
about their hair, waking up to find it gone would

00:36:57.889 --> 00:37:02.150
be absolutely horrifying to me. That is abuse

00:37:02.150 --> 00:37:05.809
right there. The absolute rest of it notwithstanding,

00:37:05.829 --> 00:37:09.590
that in and of itself is horrible. Especially

00:37:09.590 --> 00:37:13.329
since she's had her hair cut and now she's had

00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:17.289
the freedom to grow it out for the last two and

00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:22.019
a half, three years that we've been... And she

00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:26.159
clearly wants to have it grown out. And that

00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.159
would be just terrible. It's such a moment of

00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:33.219
horror realization about, like, I'm back here

00:37:33.219 --> 00:37:36.300
against my will. Again, that MKUltra sort of

00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:41.519
reverberating through. Mm -hmm. Yeah. And another

00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:46.519
moment, just kind of my last touch on the Nina

00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.860
sequence. Eleven kind of accepts what she's going

00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:55.920
to be doing and she says, Papa. And then he says,

00:37:56.059 --> 00:38:01.400
daughter. I felt it lackluster. And I think that

00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.260
it's because it would be more impactful if Millie

00:38:05.260 --> 00:38:08.519
Bobby Brown was actually 14 years old. If we

00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.440
didn't take nine years to make this. Exactly.

00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:15.679
And not an adult playing a 14 year old. Or, you

00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.219
know, an older teen playing a 14 -year -old.

00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.800
I can't remember exactly how old she was at the

00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.119
time. But I just, some of these moments I feel

00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:30.099
like would have been so good had that age really

00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:34.559
been shown. And maybe that was a moment we, yeah,

00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:37.019
I don't know. I mean, because we get all the

00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:41.139
young 11. So it makes it very obvious to me when

00:38:41.139 --> 00:38:44.840
we're missing a young Eleven moment. I really

00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.559
feel that there were a lot of people throughout

00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.500
season three. I mean, even starting in season

00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:52.780
two. Oh, the kids are so much older. But it didn't

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:55.119
really seem to bother the zeitgeist in season

00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.420
two. Season three, you heard a lot about it,

00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.659
but it really didn't bother me at all for season

00:38:59.659 --> 00:39:02.980
three. No. They were still clearly younger than

00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:06.690
Billy, who was the main. in that show. They weren't

00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:10.510
around people like adults as much. And, you know,

00:39:10.550 --> 00:39:13.869
Hopper and Joyce are clearly much older and age

00:39:13.869 --> 00:39:17.730
appropriate. But season four, there's such a

00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:21.630
dramatic difference. And because they aged down

00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:25.349
Vecna compared to what he should be. He should

00:39:25.349 --> 00:39:28.449
be, that character should be around 36, 37 years

00:39:28.449 --> 00:39:32.110
old. The real actor is about 33 years old. Millie

00:39:32.110 --> 00:39:34.449
Bobby Brown is around 18 years old. She should

00:39:34.449 --> 00:39:38.369
be 14. So instead of seeing this, like, 27 -year

00:39:38.369 --> 00:39:42.110
difference, you're seeing, in reality, a 13 -year

00:39:42.110 --> 00:39:46.989
difference. It's a huge, it's a huge deal. It

00:39:46.989 --> 00:39:49.050
is. And you can see it with Brenner, too. Like,

00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:51.989
it's, I think Millie Bobby Brown delivers that

00:39:51.989 --> 00:39:55.449
line really well. But it's kind of like in the

00:39:55.449 --> 00:39:59.329
NBA, you can't teach height. In acting, you can't

00:39:59.329 --> 00:40:05.010
teach youth. Age. Yeah. Although as much as Death

00:40:05.010 --> 00:40:08.269
Becomes Her or whatever that movie is with Meryl

00:40:08.269 --> 00:40:10.989
Streep, where they try and go back in time with

00:40:10.989 --> 00:40:17.630
their looks. Oh, man. My last few things just

00:40:17.630 --> 00:40:21.929
on episode five, seeing, watching it back. One

00:40:21.929 --> 00:40:24.940
of them is just. These are just noticings of

00:40:24.940 --> 00:40:28.880
people that I do not understand. Mr. Wheeler

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:35.019
is kind of a butt about having other kids around

00:40:35.019 --> 00:40:39.059
in his house, and I don't understand it. Shouldn't

00:40:39.059 --> 00:40:43.280
he be used to this situation by now? It's a weird

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.539
situation in general. Maybe he's just always

00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:49.460
asleep in front of the TV on the couch, and he

00:40:49.460 --> 00:40:51.199
doesn't even notice that there's other kids in

00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.530
his house all the time. But it seems weird. To

00:40:55.530 --> 00:40:57.969
be fair, I knew a lot of dads like this growing

00:40:57.969 --> 00:41:03.849
up. Okay, fair enough. The other thing that I

00:41:03.849 --> 00:41:07.489
didn't understand, I do not understand Sheriff

00:41:07.489 --> 00:41:15.210
Powell's deputy. He is so rude. Always. He's

00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:19.420
having this interview with Jason. Who just watched

00:41:19.420 --> 00:41:25.039
his friend die horribly. And he's openly mocking

00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.480
him. Right. How – in what world is this any amount

00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.480
of professional? Yeah, they're really selling

00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.360
the idea that the cops who hear people speculate

00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.760
all the time, get things wrong all the time,

00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.059
bring in the supernatural, I'm sure in a place

00:41:41.059 --> 00:41:44.099
like Hawkins, all the time. They're really, like,

00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.559
laying it on thick in that scene that, like –

00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.380
These cops have heard it all, but they know that

00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:53.219
it's just it's not magic. It's perfectly explainable

00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:56.360
when in actuality it is kind of magic. It's really

00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.639
not. I mean, it's definitely science fiction,

00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.840
right? It's it's so advanced brain technology

00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.639
that it appears as magic. So, yeah, it's it.

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.480
He's he's a butt and he's been a butt all all

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.000
the seasons. All the seasons, but I feel like

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.219
this is when it really came to a head for me.

00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:18.719
And we see it again later when the kids are essentially

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.900
under house arrest. And he's going up and he's,

00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.860
I'm going to get one of these little brats to

00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:29.159
talk and we'll get him. And I'm just going, what?

00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:33.699
He just, he has this, and it doesn't make sense

00:42:33.699 --> 00:42:36.710
to me because. beforehand we have hopper and

00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:40.530
then powell who's under him and hopper while

00:42:40.530 --> 00:42:43.269
not the most professional at the beginning still

00:42:43.269 --> 00:42:47.070
does his job well and doesn't outwardly dismiss

00:42:47.070 --> 00:42:50.010
anybody and powell seems to have taken note from

00:42:50.010 --> 00:42:52.309
that and seems to be trying to do his job as

00:42:52.309 --> 00:42:55.389
best as he can and fill hopper's shoes and really

00:42:55.389 --> 00:43:00.130
try to bring professionalism to a really wacky

00:43:00.130 --> 00:43:05.059
scenario but this guy I think he doesn't respect

00:43:05.059 --> 00:43:10.619
Powell that much, and he respected Hopper. But

00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:14.880
it still doesn't track, though, because Hopper,

00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:17.139
I don't think, would have tolerated that behavior

00:43:17.139 --> 00:43:19.820
either. I don't think Hopper would have, but

00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:22.679
I think that's what this guy's personality has

00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.760
kind of been under the surface, and that Hopper

00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.360
is keeping him in check. And as soon as Hopper

00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.179
leaves and he doesn't really respect, you know,

00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.119
they were basically peers. Who knows if he's

00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.440
jealous or not that the sheriff got the position

00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.500
over him. But either way, even if he does, I

00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.760
just don't think he is as scared or intimidated

00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:46.360
by Sheriff Powell. I see. I don't like it, but

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.639
I see it. Episode six. Episode six. My first

00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.800
thing. Susie's house feels like a dang Wes Anderson

00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.760
film. That whole sequence. I love Wes Anderson

00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:03.159
as a filmmaker. There's definitely like the dramatic

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.239
level of this and some of the ways that they

00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.619
frame some of the shots. I'm like, I get where

00:44:08.619 --> 00:44:10.860
you're coming from. But it is really funny. The

00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:14.659
color palette is completely different. The way

00:44:14.659 --> 00:44:16.719
that they're sequencing things is different.

00:44:16.739 --> 00:44:20.800
It's fun. It's really fun. I loved it. I think

00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:22.360
it's fascinating that we delve a bit more into

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.039
religion in this season. We got a little bit

00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.010
of it. in season three just with suzy's character

00:44:27.010 --> 00:44:29.610
in the mormons and and then in this one we've

00:44:29.610 --> 00:44:34.769
got suzy you know sort of uh praying with jesus

00:44:34.769 --> 00:44:36.829
or turning a blind making sure that jesus turns

00:44:36.829 --> 00:44:40.389
a blind eye but also we get jason selling that

00:44:40.389 --> 00:44:43.670
this is devil worship that how can you defeat

00:44:43.670 --> 00:44:45.889
him if if you don't believe in the devil that

00:44:45.889 --> 00:44:47.989
sort of stuff which he doesn't really realize

00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:50.690
that He's saying the exact right thing just about

00:44:50.690 --> 00:44:52.730
the wrong person. If you don't believe that Vecna

00:44:52.730 --> 00:44:54.849
is real, how are you going to defeat him? Which

00:44:54.849 --> 00:44:57.909
he doesn't defeat him at all. In fact, he helps

00:44:57.909 --> 00:45:01.369
him. Because he's not paying attention to the

00:45:01.369 --> 00:45:03.150
right thing. But it's a really interesting commentary

00:45:03.150 --> 00:45:05.349
on religion as a whole from the Duffer brothers.

00:45:05.489 --> 00:45:07.409
And I think it's a fun add -in to the season.

00:45:08.550 --> 00:45:13.329
Definitely. I also love the imagery. There's

00:45:13.329 --> 00:45:15.610
a lot of really interesting imagery just in...

00:45:15.869 --> 00:45:18.730
these sequence of episodes, but the imagery when

00:45:18.730 --> 00:45:24.030
the Scoobies or the doobies in the upside down

00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:27.409
are running their hands through the lights, the

00:45:27.409 --> 00:45:29.550
doobs, when they're running their hands through

00:45:29.550 --> 00:45:33.150
the lights in such a grim, awful place, it is

00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:38.309
so beautiful. And I love just that ethereal quality

00:45:38.309 --> 00:45:41.750
that we get from a place that we usually only

00:45:41.750 --> 00:45:48.809
see. gray and red and those dark and dingy colors.

00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:53.329
And I, it's, it's just gorgeous. Yeah. The effect

00:45:53.329 --> 00:45:55.389
that they play there. Well, quick way to remember

00:45:55.389 --> 00:46:00.409
the dupes are down. Nah, I love it. The dupes

00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:05.670
are down. Speaking of down, I don't understand

00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:12.380
how we have reverse gravity now because Hopper

00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:15.699
dropping down into the tunnels, the kids going

00:46:15.699 --> 00:46:20.860
down into the tunnels and the soldiers going

00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:24.079
through the gate. And all the times that we've

00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.739
seen the upside down previously and people walking

00:46:27.739 --> 00:46:31.739
in there, they haven't had to then crawl on the

00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:36.119
ceiling floor to get where they're going. They

00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.960
just it's all the same and they just drop straight

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.969
down or they walk straight in. And, yeah, any

00:46:43.969 --> 00:46:45.949
of the other times we've seen it, the upside

00:46:45.949 --> 00:46:49.409
down, it hasn't actually been upside down. Yeah.

00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:54.769
So, I have speculations. All of Season 1's gates,

00:46:54.989 --> 00:47:00.150
portals, were parallel to you. You could walk

00:47:00.150 --> 00:47:02.329
straight into them. They were on a wall or in

00:47:02.329 --> 00:47:05.030
a tree. There weren't any that were on a floor

00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:07.309
or on a ceiling. The ones that are on a floor

00:47:07.309 --> 00:47:10.090
or on a ceiling, yeah, so are you climbing up

00:47:10.090 --> 00:47:14.190
into it? How does that work? Etc. Right? Especially

00:47:14.190 --> 00:47:17.289
when it's... The lake one makes a little bit

00:47:17.289 --> 00:47:18.969
more sense to me. You got dragged down and then

00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:20.309
you have to... It's not like you're going to

00:47:20.309 --> 00:47:22.030
keep going down into the lake on the other side.

00:47:22.110 --> 00:47:23.369
It's going to be the other side of the surface.

00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:27.590
The above one kind of, like, messes with my brains.

00:47:27.630 --> 00:47:29.130
Especially because they don't really explain

00:47:29.130 --> 00:47:30.909
it. Dustin just goes, according to my calculations.

00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:35.429
And then he busts the towel through. Or the sheet

00:47:35.429 --> 00:47:39.340
through. But... I think it's just because we

00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:41.599
haven't seen it yet. Because the upside down

00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:45.179
that we get to in season two is not the actual

00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:49.659
upside down. It's an infected area of the upside

00:47:49.659 --> 00:47:53.719
down. There's only one gate. And this is the

00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:57.559
roots of things moving through from the gate

00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.260
into the rest of Hawkins. So it's not actually

00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:03.619
the upside down. It's a mixture of the two. It's

00:48:03.619 --> 00:48:05.239
what I think we're going to see more of in season

00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.039
five. Where the whole town becomes a lot more

00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.579
like the Upside Down. So I hear your frustrations.

00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:14.920
It's the first time we see it. It just kind of

00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.900
happens. And it's a great visual. That's why

00:48:16.900 --> 00:48:19.239
it's there. Yeah. It's contrived for the visual.

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.360
But I think there's also a little bit of a way

00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.280
to justify it. Yeah. Well, because also, why

00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.900
is the gate on the ceiling to begin with? Because

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:32.480
it should really be on the floor. Right. Why

00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.860
does it go on the ceiling when... It's not like

00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:37.159
Chrissy was killed on the ceiling. She rose up

00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.179
in the air, but so did Patrick. So shouldn't

00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:42.400
the gate be in the sky? And so did Fred. Yeah.

00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:46.840
Yeah, true. Dear Lord. I wrote this one down

00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.019
and then realized my error. I wrote, how is Steve's

00:48:50.019 --> 00:48:52.400
flashlight working underwater? And then I looked

00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.219
a little closer and I was like, oh, he wrapped

00:48:54.219 --> 00:48:58.579
it in a plastic grocery bag. And the way that

00:48:58.579 --> 00:49:03.590
I read that and snorted. Because, totally. Plastic

00:49:03.590 --> 00:49:05.630
grocery. But like, that's how you keep it safe

00:49:05.630 --> 00:49:09.170
from rain, not submerging it in water. Exactly.

00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:16.949
Nailed it. Nailed it. I believe a Ziploc. I wouldn't.

00:49:18.289 --> 00:49:21.050
Dear Lord. I believe it more than a plastic grocery

00:49:21.050 --> 00:49:23.130
bag. Yeah, that's true. I would believe a Ziploc

00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:30.289
over a stupid plastic. Dear Lord. I got to ask

00:49:30.289 --> 00:49:33.090
you as a person who wears a scarf more frequently

00:49:33.090 --> 00:49:34.650
because I live in California and it's way too

00:49:34.650 --> 00:49:37.210
hot most of the year to wear a scarf. When diving

00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:40.389
into water, why did Nancy not take her scarf

00:49:40.389 --> 00:49:42.630
off? Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me because

00:49:42.630 --> 00:49:45.219
doesn't she take off her jacket? Yes. So she

00:49:45.219 --> 00:49:47.179
takes her jacket off, but not her scarf. The

00:49:47.179 --> 00:49:49.159
scarf, I would take my scarf off before I take

00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.460
my jacket off. I gotta think. For sure. I gotta

00:49:51.460 --> 00:49:53.619
think that it's a costuming thing where the actress

00:49:53.619 --> 00:49:55.940
needed that cover for something. Maybe there

00:49:55.940 --> 00:49:58.840
was an injury or a mark of some sort that she

00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.739
needed covered up. Like, why not? Or they just

00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:03.920
really wanted her to have the scarf later. Like

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.099
the big flowy scarf in the water shot? Maybe.

00:50:06.659 --> 00:50:10.800
Maybe. I really, it's. It doesn't make sense.

00:50:10.820 --> 00:50:13.980
It's just as weird as Kylo Ren's, like, like.

00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.940
Injury belt in Last Jedi. Yeah. As a person who,

00:50:20.019 --> 00:50:24.059
I hate things on my neck, touching my neck, around

00:50:24.059 --> 00:50:27.679
my neck. So, I wear scarves, but very loosely.

00:50:27.820 --> 00:50:31.199
So, that would definitely be, I would be thinking,

00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:34.099
I'm about to go into water, which will constrict

00:50:34.099 --> 00:50:37.559
around my neck. Yeah, that's gotta go. I feel

00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.639
like, I feel like with your fear of neck stuff,

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.760
as soon as you were like, Vecna, just scarf off.

00:50:44.139 --> 00:50:47.219
Yeah. No. Uh -uh. Nope. Student got killed. No

00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:49.340
scarf, please, for me. Don't want to be grabbed

00:50:49.340 --> 00:50:53.079
by a scarf. Nope. I'm actually shaving my hair

00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.679
now, too. Don't want that monster grabbing that.

00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:04.039
So, Eddie is incredibly brave. He is. Yes. Like,

00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.900
I think oftentimes, and maybe this is just because

00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:08.420
I work with teenagers, but oftentimes people

00:51:08.420 --> 00:51:11.019
forget that in order to be brave, you have to

00:51:11.019 --> 00:51:14.139
be scared. It's not bravery if you're not overcoming

00:51:14.139 --> 00:51:17.559
your fear. Yes, exactly. And everyone's been

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.000
through this. Nancy, you know, really was brave

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.179
in the first season, and now this is sort of

00:51:23.179 --> 00:51:26.199
the way that she works. Steve, too. But also

00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:27.780
for both of them, there was this sense of, like,

00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.539
I have to go and avenge or help this person.

00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:35.519
Eddie is way more scared, but feels this need

00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.460
to live up to the version of himself that he

00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:41.550
wants to be. And I find that incredibly touching

00:51:41.550 --> 00:51:45.670
about his character. He is absolutely a Snape

00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:48.429
Slytherin, a person who was sorted into Slytherin

00:51:48.429 --> 00:51:50.170
too early and should have been a Gryffindor.

00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:59.130
Yeah, definitely. Or potentially a closeted Hufflepuff.

00:51:59.989 --> 00:52:01.989
You say that about everybody, you Hufflepuff.

00:52:02.250 --> 00:52:05.429
You will not let the world rest if nobody else

00:52:05.429 --> 00:52:10.340
is a Hufflepuff. No, I'm thinking more of just

00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:14.219
his wanting to, you know, his whole thing with

00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:17.139
Dustin is like, you have to be the shit. Like,

00:52:17.139 --> 00:52:19.539
this is the flock. Like, this is my the sheep.

00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.519
You have to collect these people who have nowhere

00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.659
else to go. You have to be there for them. And

00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:27.559
I just I feel like that's a very it's a Gryffindor

00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.039
thing, too, as well. But it's a very Hufflepuff

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.920
type. We'll take the lot. Lastly, this is a moment

00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:39.059
where. Lucas and Dustin and Max are on the shores

00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:43.500
of the lake as the dupes have gone off, the older

00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:46.920
teens have gone off, and they're looking through

00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.659
binoculars, one of the boys, and Steve has just

00:52:50.659 --> 00:52:52.480
taken off his shirt to go diving, and I think

00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:54.619
Lucas says, something along the lines of like

00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:57.840
wow when did steve get so hairy and dustin's

00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.179
like i know i keep telling him to he's got to

00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:02.900
control that beast but he says the ladies love

00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:05.300
it and max comes over to lucas and is like let

00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:07.099
me see and just takes the binoculars and keeps

00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:10.599
staring and they like let several beats hit while

00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:16.699
lucas is like um uh uh and like boy does that

00:53:16.699 --> 00:53:19.139
make me uncomfortable but not as nearly as comfortable

00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:27.050
as lucas gets with that I think it's really just

00:53:27.050 --> 00:53:30.710
there for the humor of it. And also because Max

00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:34.809
just has to push Lucas's buttons. Like, as much

00:53:34.809 --> 00:53:38.550
as she really cares about him, I think there's

00:53:38.550 --> 00:53:42.010
a little part of her that kind of wants to, hey,

00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:46.750
you know. I could go somewhere else. Totally.

00:53:46.909 --> 00:53:50.909
It's back to her previous season. Sometimes you

00:53:50.909 --> 00:53:52.730
just got to break up with them. Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:53:53.409 --> 00:53:57.809
Don't possess. That's so true. I think it is

00:53:57.809 --> 00:54:01.829
a little moment of old Max coming back, just

00:54:01.829 --> 00:54:04.449
in the teasing quality. But it's great. Yeah.

00:54:04.809 --> 00:54:09.809
Episode seven. So Brenner tells Eleven in the

00:54:09.809 --> 00:54:13.099
memory flashback. If you allow anger or emotion

00:54:13.099 --> 00:54:16.400
to invade your thoughts, you will fail. He says

00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.079
this to all of the kids as they're about to enter

00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:23.099
the competition. However, Eleven only succeeds

00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:27.539
when she uses anger and emotion kind of on one's

00:54:27.539 --> 00:54:32.199
instruction. And that confused me a little bit

00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.440
because is this a Brenner control issue or is

00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.159
this a... Brenner doesn't understand how these

00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.019
powers actually work, is she? I think it's both,

00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:43.800
right? I think he needs to feel like he's in

00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.420
control and not being angry and not being emotional

00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:49.679
has served him super well. But he obviously doesn't

00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:53.739
have these powers. And also, when Eleven and

00:54:53.739 --> 00:54:58.119
Vecna have the fight, like the fight where she

00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.639
banishes him into the Upside Down, the memory

00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:05.559
that fuels her fighting Vecna is... As we find

00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.659
out with Max, when Max is like, hey, I'll defeat

00:55:07.659 --> 00:55:09.260
him by thinking of a happy memory, and I'll just

00:55:09.260 --> 00:55:10.739
pursue that, and then he can't find me in my

00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:14.079
darkness. The memory that fuels Eleven's fight

00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.019
against Vecna is her mom. It's a happy memory.

00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.179
So, yes, Eight has said anger, and anger has

00:55:22.179 --> 00:55:24.800
served her well. But I do feel like the Duffers

00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.320
are building towards Eight. Yeah, but you know

00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.539
what's even better than anger? Is love. Just

00:55:29.539 --> 00:55:32.039
as... which is what I've been saying. Monsters

00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:34.000
Inc. has built up, like, you know what's better

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.400
than screams is laughter. Mm -hmm. I have a big

00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.820
problem every watch through with this plot in

00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:44.360
season four of these children being like, we're

00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.940
gonna kill Eleven. I just, it's too melodramatic.

00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.900
I can see a lot of other bullying, but they just

00:55:49.900 --> 00:55:52.579
ratchet and ratchet and ratchet. And I don't

00:55:52.579 --> 00:55:55.360
feel like it builds in a satisfying way. It feels

00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.940
very much like, nope, and now everything. Versus

00:55:57.940 --> 00:56:02.000
I could see... a slow build of Brenner convincing

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.380
slightly with all of this stuff, but it just

00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:08.219
happens so quickly. Well, also remember that

00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:11.940
this is in the same world that a middle schooler

00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:18.559
is going to murder, make Mike jump to his death

00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:22.079
and kill his friend and cut out his teeth from

00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.630
his gums. And holds a knife to his neck. And

00:56:25.630 --> 00:56:29.210
then in the following season. A teenager attempts

00:56:29.210 --> 00:56:34.909
triple homicide. With a vehicle. And. So this

00:56:34.909 --> 00:56:38.369
is not 100 % new. You're right. This is accurate

00:56:38.369 --> 00:56:42.150
to the Stranger Things world. Yes. But it is

00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:46.050
wild. Like the bullies in this. In this universe.

00:56:46.150 --> 00:56:51.789
In this show. Are just horrendous. The bullies

00:56:51.789 --> 00:56:58.519
are. brutal oh you're so right i'm crying i totally

00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:03.539
forgot about that dude two's brother was actually

00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:07.699
the serial killer kid that's been going around

00:57:07.699 --> 00:57:11.659
and murdering everybody oh he's the one that's

00:57:11.659 --> 00:57:13.960
gonna end up killing vecna like aria stark style

00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:15.460
where you're like it's gotta be john who does

00:57:15.460 --> 00:57:17.000
it and then this guy comes out of nowhere and

00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.789
it's like he made me pee my pants too Kills him.

00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:28.469
Oh, my God. Oh, no. Okay. Here's a somewhat,

00:57:29.489 --> 00:57:32.190
you know, pedantic question, but also kind of

00:57:32.190 --> 00:57:35.849
serious. Is Eleven's power very good? I feel

00:57:35.849 --> 00:57:39.070
like if you can turn on and off the power and

00:57:39.070 --> 00:57:41.429
she needs a total reboot set, like, we're not,

00:57:41.489 --> 00:57:46.050
this is not a very strong superpower. No. Not

00:57:46.050 --> 00:57:50.030
particularly. Yeah, not particularly because

00:57:50.030 --> 00:57:56.409
she's got these powers that seem very great,

00:57:56.610 --> 00:57:59.969
but she needs a reboot every now and then, or

00:57:59.969 --> 00:58:03.070
her battery drains, or she needs certain conditions

00:58:03.070 --> 00:58:08.789
in order to use them. And I wonder if it's a

00:58:08.789 --> 00:58:16.050
comparison between the natural gifts of one?

00:58:16.170 --> 00:58:20.849
Yeah. Question mark? Versus manufactured gifts

00:58:20.849 --> 00:58:22.530
of Eleven. Through LSD and a pregnancy. Yeah,

00:58:22.530 --> 00:58:28.650
totally. So I wonder if that's why she has so

00:58:28.650 --> 00:58:34.409
many potential kinks in the conduit of how her

00:58:34.409 --> 00:58:36.789
powers work. Is because they're not a natural

00:58:36.789 --> 00:58:41.969
gift. It's a created version. That's really the

00:58:41.969 --> 00:58:44.630
only thing that I can think of. Is that it's

00:58:44.630 --> 00:58:49.210
a almost weird. nature versus nurture situation

00:58:49.210 --> 00:58:53.090
where one's powers don't seem to have that issue

00:58:53.090 --> 00:58:56.349
and his seem to be he does just getting stronger

00:58:56.349 --> 00:58:59.909
as he absorbs and as he kills and all of that

00:58:59.909 --> 00:59:03.469
and so his are just increasing and getting stronger

00:59:03.469 --> 00:59:06.769
and getting more powerful and he has pretty good

00:59:06.769 --> 00:59:11.610
control over them potentially because he already

00:59:11.610 --> 00:59:14.670
he created this he had this power in himself

00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:20.039
it wasn't created for him. Whereas Eleven's is

00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.980
100 % manufactured, created for her, manufactured,

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.460
has to work on it. Yeah. So I think that that's

00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:33.239
really the... Henry Creel does knock himself

00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:37.659
out when he kills his family. But yeah, the other

00:59:37.659 --> 00:59:41.980
weaknesses don't seem to be as... Maybe he's

00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:44.340
just more controlled. It's hard to know. Maybe

00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.139
he wasn't pushing himself as much as I was, that

00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:49.840
sort of stuff. Okay. Where is 8? No idea. Where

00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:55.119
is 8? Chicago. We know that 8 was there. We have

00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.980
no mention of the fact that someone could escape.

00:59:58.940 --> 01:00:05.440
Did she escape during this massacre? How? I mean,

01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:07.960
Brenner didn't die. Did one let her go? So maybe

01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.280
8 didn't die? I don't know. Where is 8 during

01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.329
the massacre? Yeah, where is it? It might be

01:00:14.329 --> 01:00:16.789
answered in one of the comics. Who knows? Maybe.

01:00:17.230 --> 01:00:19.809
If it is, tell us, people. Please. Please tell

01:00:19.809 --> 01:00:22.710
us. I will say, at the end of episode seven,

01:00:22.769 --> 01:00:28.269
I am very glad that we get Tiny L fighting Vecna

01:00:28.269 --> 01:00:30.949
in this scene. We talked a little bit about the

01:00:30.949 --> 01:00:35.030
age problems already, but I was so happy that

01:00:35.030 --> 01:00:37.929
we get to see this very small seven, eight -year

01:00:37.929 --> 01:00:41.809
-old to see that huge juxtaposition between Monster

01:00:41.809 --> 01:00:46.019
Man. Fully grown adult versus little tiny seven

01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:49.599
-year -old who was able to beat Vecna with just

01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.880
a memory of love. I love it. Super good. Yeah.

01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.699
Very, very, very good. Also. Yeah. Also interesting

01:00:57.699 --> 01:01:01.539
tidbit here. Vecna shows Nancy Barb at the beginning

01:01:01.539 --> 01:01:05.260
of when he captures her mind to illustrate, hey,

01:01:05.340 --> 01:01:07.929
by the way, all of this is. all this is going

01:01:07.929 --> 01:01:09.849
to happen but right before he does all of that

01:01:09.849 --> 01:01:12.289
like here's who i was and now here's where i'm

01:01:12.289 --> 01:01:14.889
going it's like a really effective corporate

01:01:14.889 --> 01:01:19.570
pitch he shows nancy barb where she was strung

01:01:19.570 --> 01:01:21.530
up where we saw her at the end of season one

01:01:21.530 --> 01:01:26.670
in the pool dead right and yes and blames nancy

01:01:26.670 --> 01:01:28.710
for it he's like do you remember when i remember

01:01:28.710 --> 01:01:30.809
when i killed everybody i remember everybody

01:01:30.809 --> 01:01:33.090
that i've ever killed and he's like do you remember

01:01:33.090 --> 01:01:36.030
and I'm just like, why is he doing that? And

01:01:36.030 --> 01:01:38.730
then that made me think, can Vecna disguise himself

01:01:38.730 --> 01:01:42.769
as a Demogorgon? Is he there the one, like, I

01:01:42.769 --> 01:01:44.949
still think he's capturing Will, but it looks

01:01:44.949 --> 01:01:47.590
like a Demogorgon in season one. And then I'm

01:01:47.590 --> 01:01:49.530
there thinking, is he the one that captures Barb

01:01:49.530 --> 01:01:52.429
too? Is he the one that Jonathan captures the

01:01:52.429 --> 01:01:55.230
photo of? And can he just morph himself to look

01:01:55.230 --> 01:01:58.409
like a Demogorgon when he needs? Or is he inside

01:01:58.409 --> 01:02:00.989
the Demogorgon via his own power with the Mind

01:02:00.989 --> 01:02:03.800
Flayer? So many questions. I don't have a great

01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:08.940
answer for this one. Honestly, it does seem odd

01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:13.400
about the Barb situation. Potentially, it's just

01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.280
to because his whole thing is to show people

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.250
their darkest. Yeah. Their darkest time, their

01:02:20.250 --> 01:02:23.389
worst memory. And Nancy, I'm sure on some level,

01:02:23.429 --> 01:02:26.789
still blames herself for Barb's death. Or, you

01:02:26.789 --> 01:02:28.869
know, maybe on a very significant level still.

01:02:28.929 --> 01:02:35.110
And so that may just be Vecna tapping into Nancy's

01:02:35.110 --> 01:02:38.690
mind of what her worst memory is. Yeah, totally.

01:02:38.710 --> 01:02:43.150
And that is of Barb. And just jabbing at that

01:02:43.150 --> 01:02:48.659
and exacerbating it by... showing her more of

01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:52.739
what barb went through yeah but there's a lot

01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:55.800
of great questions about where is vecna in season

01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:00.719
one absolutely episode eight this is a rhetorical

01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.360
question why are a bunch of teenagers allowed

01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:05.219
to buy guns and knives because that's what is

01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:07.980
the 80s that's what jason and they are yeah for

01:03:07.980 --> 01:03:10.559
real my goodness anyways go ahead with your poor

01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:18.349
poor william My poor baby William. He's pouring

01:03:18.349 --> 01:03:20.929
his heart out and making it sound like it's from

01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:25.869
Elle. And I just feel for my baby boy. I know.

01:03:26.809 --> 01:03:31.489
I do think good on Jonathan for recognizing what

01:03:31.489 --> 01:03:36.409
is going on, though. That is some serious good

01:03:36.409 --> 01:03:39.869
intuition and acknowledgement of what his brother

01:03:39.869 --> 01:03:42.730
is going through. And it got me thinking that

01:03:42.730 --> 01:03:46.360
maybe. He'll be the one to kind of pull Will

01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:49.440
back to reality from whatever is going to happen

01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.360
to him in season five. Obviously, we don't know

01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:54.300
exactly what's going to happen, but something's

01:03:54.300 --> 01:03:56.519
going to happen to Will. He's going to be important.

01:03:57.420 --> 01:04:01.239
There's going to be a lot. And I do wonder if

01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.559
Jonathan's going to be the one to make that connection

01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:08.059
with Will. Absolutely. And I hope so. It's a

01:04:08.059 --> 01:04:10.440
great point. Because their brotherly relationship

01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.139
is very sweet. Yeah. Speaking of Will. Max is

01:04:14.139 --> 01:04:19.059
planning her being bait situation. And, you know,

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.000
she says, or they're speaking about it and saying,

01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.860
push him away and find a memory to hide in. Hide

01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:29.619
in the light. And this feels very logical in

01:04:29.619 --> 01:04:31.800
this world because it's similar to what we see

01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:36.059
Will do in season one. He hides in Castle Byers,

01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:39.039
which is his light. That is his happy place.

01:04:39.659 --> 01:04:42.760
And he sings, should I stay or should I go? Very

01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.800
similar to have the music kind of pull you back

01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.820
to reality. So while he can't escape because

01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:52.840
he's physically in the upside down instead of

01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.539
locked in his own mind, it is very much him hiding

01:04:56.539 --> 01:05:01.059
in the light. And so I really like this. idea

01:05:01.059 --> 01:05:04.880
of you know push him away find a memory find

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.619
a happy place hide in the light because he's

01:05:08.619 --> 01:05:11.440
always going to go for your deepest darkest worst

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:15.400
memory and so if you focus on the good he can't

01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.400
find you there on uh another completely separate

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.139
note a brenner sucks so bad obviously he's awful

01:05:24.139 --> 01:05:30.800
he's he's terrible also somehow i feel bad in

01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:35.900
his last moments i i have this twinge this very

01:05:35.900 --> 01:05:40.940
small twinge of twisting my feelings around and

01:05:40.940 --> 01:05:43.840
kind of feeling bad for the guy at the very very

01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.079
end he's reaching out to 11 for this last time

01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.079
and i just want you to understand that i did

01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.039
it for you and obviously i don't believe him

01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.239
yeah but I don't believe him. He's doing it for

01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.420
very selfish reasons. It's not to protect her.

01:05:56.500 --> 01:05:59.300
It's for a whole bunch of other things that really

01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:03.360
have nothing to do with that. But somehow, right

01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:07.820
before he says that, I almost have some empathy

01:06:07.820 --> 01:06:10.760
for him. Then he says that and it's clearly a

01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:15.519
lie and she calls him out. It is very interesting

01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:18.519
how well this show does of, like, twisting my

01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:22.360
feelings around on people. I can't stand the

01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.739
emotional, like, wish -washing the show does

01:06:24.739 --> 01:06:27.639
in this episode with him. Because it's like,

01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.940
you know, he's bad and he won't let her leave.

01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:31.480
And then he's good and then he's bad. And I don't

01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:33.639
really understand Elle either. I understand Elle's

01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.900
drive to get her powers. And I understand that

01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.239
she's also kind of been brainwashed into believing

01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.960
that this man is like her father. But, like,

01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.619
as a show, I feel like this guy is a bad guy.

01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.800
And I know that it's very possible for bad people

01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.960
to be parents and to love their children and

01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.719
to have their children idolize them and all sorts

01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.860
of different stuff like this. But I, like, this

01:06:55.860 --> 01:06:58.960
part, like, almost bothers me into how much they're,

01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.159
like, really sort of trying to give you a moment

01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:06.059
with him to say goodbye. Yeah. I... Yeah, it's

01:07:06.059 --> 01:07:09.829
very interesting. And also... Very clear. Here's

01:07:09.829 --> 01:07:11.309
this moment that I was talking about earlier

01:07:11.309 --> 01:07:16.309
of another imagery moment of this kind of romantic

01:07:16.309 --> 01:07:21.670
style art. Very clear Christ -like pose for him

01:07:21.670 --> 01:07:25.750
in death. Super odd. Very clear. Arms outstretched

01:07:25.750 --> 01:07:29.369
to the sides. Legs bent at an angle with ankles

01:07:29.369 --> 01:07:33.000
overlapping. Yeah. Very... Interesting, fascinating

01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.559
that they choose that imagery in this moment.

01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.579
And I do feel like it mirrors that moment earlier

01:07:39.579 --> 01:07:43.099
where we have Eleven laying in his lap, almost,

01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:46.260
now that I'm thinking about it, almost Christ

01:07:46.260 --> 01:07:52.659
laying in the lap of Mary. And so we have this

01:07:52.659 --> 01:07:56.559
juxtaposition of him almost holding Christ and

01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.650
then him almost becoming Christ. I don't know

01:07:59.650 --> 01:08:01.630
if that's where we're going, but in a season

01:08:01.630 --> 01:08:03.630
where we actually mention religion? Religion

01:08:03.630 --> 01:08:05.210
quite a bit. Very interesting. But it's just

01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:07.269
a weird juxtaposition away from what his actual

01:08:07.269 --> 01:08:11.469
character is, which is this conniving man. Very

01:08:11.469 --> 01:08:15.050
opposite. Yeah, that scene bothers me for a couple

01:08:15.050 --> 01:08:17.329
of different reasons, from both a mechanical

01:08:17.329 --> 01:08:19.369
storytelling moment where I'm like, visually,

01:08:19.449 --> 01:08:21.289
what are we doing, and why are we hitting these

01:08:21.289 --> 01:08:24.640
beats like this? Yeah, it is very interesting.

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.760
Are you trying to make us feel what Elle is feeling?

01:08:26.939 --> 01:08:28.680
Because if Elle's like, man, this guy's Christ

01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.720
-like, I'm going to be like, man, people don't

01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.939
trust Elle in season five. Like, she's a bad

01:08:34.939 --> 01:08:36.739
judge of character. She's going to join Vecna's

01:08:36.739 --> 01:08:41.960
side. Right. Speaking of people who are actually

01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:45.119
worth being brave and being, you know, respected,

01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.319
Max is super brave and super right. Lucas is

01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:51.319
trying his best to try and get Max to not be

01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:54.060
bait, which is understandable. Yeah. But Max

01:08:54.060 --> 01:08:56.239
thoughtfully explains to him you can't put a

01:08:56.239 --> 01:09:00.840
random stranger in danger when Max knows what

01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.079
she's fighting, has fought, has survived, and

01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.500
they have a plan. Right. It's not like they can

01:09:06.500 --> 01:09:09.619
just follow somebody else. And that's so right,

01:09:09.699 --> 01:09:12.840
and she's so good, and boy, I love her so much

01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.069
as a character. She's just so great, too. To

01:09:16.069 --> 01:09:19.250
be in the presence of when we watch things. Mm

01:09:19.250 --> 01:09:22.630
-hmm. Conversely, while they're in the car, Max

01:09:22.630 --> 01:09:24.949
and Lucas are talking. Steve is professing his

01:09:24.949 --> 01:09:29.789
desire to have six kids in life. And he's professing

01:09:29.789 --> 01:09:35.529
it to Nancy, which is wild. They've been having

01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:37.989
romantic feelings for each other this whole time.

01:09:38.149 --> 01:09:41.569
They've had moments of sexual tension. And then

01:09:41.569 --> 01:09:45.640
he's like, yeah, so I am. I want like six kids,

01:09:45.699 --> 01:09:48.640
babe. I mean, not with you. With anybody named

01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.579
Nancy. Anybody named Nancy Wheeler. Anyone with

01:09:51.579 --> 01:09:53.920
Nancy Wheeler who lives in Indiana. Anyone who's

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.579
Nancy Wheeler who lives in Indiana with guns

01:09:55.579 --> 01:10:02.560
in her room. So, chop chop. I would like to mention,

01:10:02.699 --> 01:10:06.260
he has six kids. Yeah. He already does. He has

01:10:06.260 --> 01:10:09.880
six kids. And they're kind of mom and dad to

01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:14.250
six kids. So... Name them. I don't know. You

01:10:14.250 --> 01:10:19.170
nailed it, Steve. So, we're talking Dustin. We're

01:10:19.170 --> 01:10:22.369
talking Mike. We're talking Will. Mike. Yep.

01:10:22.449 --> 01:10:25.149
We're talking Max. Lucas. Lucas. Max and Eleven.

01:10:25.449 --> 01:10:29.250
And Eleven. No Erica? I think Erica's too much

01:10:29.250 --> 01:10:31.649
of a wild card. Unless you want to swap out Erica

01:10:31.649 --> 01:10:34.149
and Eleven, because Steve isn't often with Eleven.

01:10:34.170 --> 01:10:36.310
That's so true. I will give you that. We're going

01:10:36.310 --> 01:10:37.569
to swap out Eleven and Erica. Either way, it's

01:10:37.569 --> 01:10:41.789
still six. Yeah. Yeah, he's got six kids. During

01:10:41.789 --> 01:10:44.550
this episode... Nancy says we got to go back

01:10:44.550 --> 01:10:46.409
to the upside down. And everybody's kind of like,

01:10:46.470 --> 01:10:50.069
whoa, wait, what? Eddie, they focus in on Eddie.

01:10:50.449 --> 01:10:54.189
And he says no. He's the only one to really flat

01:10:54.189 --> 01:10:57.069
out. No other listening. He doesn't want to hear

01:10:57.069 --> 01:11:01.229
it say no. And that's just sad. And I miss him.

01:11:02.430 --> 01:11:08.270
Eddie. You know, Sam, you don't always have to

01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:10.489
face down a horde of angry soldiers by yourself.

01:11:10.529 --> 01:11:15.430
I don't? Buckle up, Schmisseners. No. It's our

01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:19.050
Sansa's smarter than John category. What is the

01:11:19.050 --> 01:11:23.170
most important character moment? I've got honorable

01:11:23.170 --> 01:11:27.390
mentions. Hopper's monologue about being cursed

01:11:27.390 --> 01:11:29.890
to Enzo, I think, is a great character moment.

01:11:30.850 --> 01:11:34.550
It's one of the few moments he really has this

01:11:34.550 --> 01:11:37.430
season of being like, let's have an actual character

01:11:37.430 --> 01:11:42.430
moment at all. And it's so great. Because it

01:11:42.430 --> 01:11:45.590
helps tie him back to the Hawkins and everything.

01:11:46.970 --> 01:11:49.010
Will's monologue to Mike that you were just talking

01:11:49.010 --> 01:11:51.050
about, where he basically professes his love

01:11:51.050 --> 01:11:53.550
to Mike, I think is also another incredible character

01:11:53.550 --> 01:11:55.789
moment. And maybe would have won if we didn't

01:11:55.789 --> 01:11:58.590
have this other one, which you may now reveal.

01:11:59.149 --> 01:12:03.479
Eddie diving into the water. After Steve, Nancy,

01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.119
and Robin. Also the acting before that where

01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.159
he's like, this is stupid, this is stupid, this

01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:09.060
is stupid. And he's like pacing on the boat and

01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:11.680
then he like weighs too much and flips into the

01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:16.520
water accidentally. Yes. So good. Yes. So good.

01:12:17.260 --> 01:12:21.439
He didn't have to. No. And he does. Yeah. And

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:27.899
for a guy who always runs, as he says, he didn't

01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:29.760
run. He continues to not run. He continues to

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.939
stay with them. And he continues. Exactly. I

01:12:33.939 --> 01:12:36.840
know you just lost a hand. Eddie. Dear Eddie.

01:12:37.060 --> 01:12:40.979
But listen up. It's the I am your father category

01:12:40.979 --> 01:12:44.220
for most iconic character moment. You've nailed

01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:46.859
it. So it's not a character moment on this one,

01:12:46.939 --> 01:12:51.739
guys. It is a scene. It's them riding. It's the

01:12:51.739 --> 01:12:55.220
Scoobies and the Doobies riding their bikes down

01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:58.020
the road from the wheelers to Eddie's trailer.

01:12:58.750 --> 01:13:01.489
Both on the upside down and the right side up.

01:13:01.689 --> 01:13:05.789
I will argue this is a character, iconic character

01:13:05.789 --> 01:13:08.630
moment. Because the bikes are essentially characters

01:13:08.630 --> 01:13:12.270
in Stranger Things at this point. And this is

01:13:12.270 --> 01:13:15.810
their one moment. It is an awesome. Oh my gosh.

01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:18.350
It's like just as good as when Hopper jumps into.

01:13:18.939 --> 01:13:21.579
The tunnel, and then it flips upside down. This

01:13:21.579 --> 01:13:24.520
moment of bike, bike, bike, bike, turnover, flip

01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:26.399
over, other people, bike, bike, bike, bike, bike,

01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.520
so good. And way better visually than listening

01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:36.380
to me going bike, bike, bike, bike, bike. Everybody

01:13:36.380 --> 01:13:42.140
sit down. It's time for our I am Iron Man. Most

01:13:42.140 --> 01:13:45.800
iconic and most important scene category. Take

01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.449
one choice. There's one choice. Eleven blasting

01:13:50.449 --> 01:13:54.630
one into the upside down and his Vecna transformation.

01:13:54.789 --> 01:13:57.529
Couldn't be anything else. It's that. Because

01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.270
you get it from both Nancy's perspective and

01:13:59.270 --> 01:14:02.170
Eleven's perspective. It's really cool. And also

01:14:02.170 --> 01:14:05.210
comes with way, way crazy amount of information.

01:14:06.109 --> 01:14:08.930
So crack open that encyclopedia. As Elijah Wood

01:14:08.930 --> 01:14:11.890
once said, no, how could we have known? Where

01:14:11.890 --> 01:14:14.170
we discuss the most important information disseminated

01:14:14.170 --> 01:14:18.449
to the fandom over these four episodes. The Hawkins

01:14:18.449 --> 01:14:20.949
version of the Upside Down was created the day

01:14:20.949 --> 01:14:24.170
Will disappeared and the day Elle opened the

01:14:24.170 --> 01:14:29.369
gate. That's huge information. A huge, like,

01:14:29.449 --> 01:14:32.250
people have been asking, when did this start?

01:14:32.289 --> 01:14:34.869
Like, does it mirror where, like, okay, so they

01:14:34.869 --> 01:14:37.189
built a new building and so now this exists in

01:14:37.189 --> 01:14:38.630
the Upside Down? Because we never got to see

01:14:38.630 --> 01:14:41.770
the Starcourt Mall as an Upside Down location.

01:14:41.989 --> 01:14:44.609
That was never a thing. But no, it turns out

01:14:44.609 --> 01:14:47.430
it's the day that Will goes missing. The day

01:14:47.430 --> 01:14:52.010
that Eleven creates the gate. Now, I have a theory

01:14:52.010 --> 01:14:55.829
for Season 5 that I've come up with after thinking

01:14:55.829 --> 01:14:58.649
about this a lot. My theory is that it is not

01:14:58.649 --> 01:15:03.470
Vecna who imprints Hawkins into the Upside Down.

01:15:03.689 --> 01:15:06.489
And it's not Eleven that does it. I think it's

01:15:06.489 --> 01:15:10.710
Will. I think when Will goes there, he's got

01:15:10.710 --> 01:15:13.550
powers. I'm convinced of that at this point.

01:15:14.649 --> 01:15:17.350
He may be way more powerful than either of them,

01:15:17.409 --> 01:15:19.390
and his subconscious started taking over the

01:15:19.390 --> 01:15:22.270
Upside Down more than Beckness could. Interesting.

01:15:22.449 --> 01:15:24.210
Yeah. I don't know if I'm right, but it's a theory

01:15:24.210 --> 01:15:27.069
that I like. I like it. Yeah. Great. I like the

01:15:27.069 --> 01:15:30.369
theory. I do really like it. We'll see. We'll

01:15:30.369 --> 01:15:34.029
see. We shall see. Then we shall see. Then we

01:15:34.029 --> 01:15:38.329
shall know. Keep your horses safe. It's the,

01:15:38.489 --> 01:15:41.270
I'm gonna make them an offer we can't refuse.

01:15:41.369 --> 01:15:44.569
Your line readings get better and better. Thank

01:15:44.569 --> 01:15:50.390
you. Thank you. I'm working on it. Good. I was

01:15:50.390 --> 01:15:54.949
wrong this whole time. I wasn't cursed. I am

01:15:54.949 --> 01:15:58.189
the curse. That's a great one. That's from Hopper's

01:15:58.189 --> 01:16:07.170
whole spiel. So good. A comedy one here. Is black

01:16:07.170 --> 01:16:11.750
not the highest color? When Joyce is, Murray

01:16:11.750 --> 01:16:15.189
says he has a black belt and then says that he

01:16:15.189 --> 01:16:18.010
can't fight somebody and Joyce is like, is black

01:16:18.010 --> 01:16:23.649
not the highest color? So good. Another really

01:16:23.649 --> 01:16:26.449
impactful one. How do you expect to stop the

01:16:26.449 --> 01:16:28.529
devil if you don't believe he's real? Right.

01:16:28.590 --> 01:16:33.149
We talked about this one with Jason. I wrote

01:16:33.149 --> 01:16:34.989
this one down and I legitimately don't remember

01:16:34.989 --> 01:16:37.649
who says it. I think it's Yuri or Murray, but

01:16:37.649 --> 01:16:44.869
it's bada bada boom. It's a great memory for

01:16:44.869 --> 01:16:49.890
the line for not having remembered it. Yes. Then

01:16:49.890 --> 01:16:53.390
we have, I know what it's like to be different,

01:16:53.470 --> 01:16:56.909
to be alone in this world, which I believe was

01:16:56.909 --> 01:17:01.939
one to 11 in the memories before. Before the

01:17:01.939 --> 01:17:10.319
Dark Time. Before the Empire. Music. We need

01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:16.039
music. This is music. This one might be it for

01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:19.279
me. I have this one as well. It's just Eddie

01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:24.439
Munson's delivery of this. It's the emphasis.

01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:27.539
It's how much he's like disdaining of all the

01:17:27.539 --> 01:17:30.039
popular Bowie, Madonna, the Beatles. He's just

01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.920
such disdaining of that. And he's got all this

01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:35.420
metal stuff and he's just like shaking the cassette

01:17:35.420 --> 01:17:43.079
in her face. So good. So funny. You heard her.

01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:50.600
Keys. Map. Let's go. Murray. From Murray. Rumors.

01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:52.539
Continues to have great lines. Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:52.819 --> 01:17:55.560
You took all the lines that I was going to do

01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:58.319
with the exception of this one. This is Eddie

01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:01.279
Munson when he's first in the Upside Down. And

01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.699
he goes, so this place is like Hawkins, but with

01:18:04.699 --> 01:18:08.300
monsters and shit. And Nancy just goes, pretty

01:18:08.300 --> 01:18:12.119
much. That's all the explanation that Eddie needs.

01:18:12.220 --> 01:18:16.859
It's so good. It's so good. I just, I love how

01:18:16.859 --> 01:18:20.520
just. Matter of fact, Eddie is about everything.

01:18:20.579 --> 01:18:25.520
Like they explain this wild, insane story to

01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:30.239
him. And he's just like, okay, cool. So, you

01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:34.300
know, bad dude in people's minds. All right.

01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:37.260
This is Hawkins, but with monsters. Cool. Check.

01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:42.680
Moving on. Love it. Dust off that card deck and

01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.039
get ready to shuffle. It's our Joker category

01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.739
for who is the MVP of this episode. All right.

01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.689
So I've got. Two honorable mentions. Murray,

01:18:50.909 --> 01:18:53.789
he does a lot of Russian speaking. He gets them

01:18:53.789 --> 01:18:55.909
into the base. He's the reason why Hopper's alive.

01:18:56.909 --> 01:18:59.729
Also Hopper. Yes. He just, in general, does a

01:18:59.729 --> 01:19:01.470
lot in his little action -adventure setting.

01:19:02.189 --> 01:19:04.350
There's a lot of physical things that that man

01:19:04.350 --> 01:19:06.930
does constantly throughout these episodes. Yes.

01:19:07.890 --> 01:19:10.689
Both of them are - As not -fat -anymore Rambo.

01:19:10.869 --> 01:19:15.369
Not -fat -anymore Rambo. What was that scientist's

01:19:15.369 --> 01:19:19.409
name? Alex. Oh. Thanks, Alexi. Rest in peace,

01:19:19.510 --> 01:19:23.210
bud. But they're off the podium. The podium to

01:19:23.210 --> 01:19:25.710
me is a mixture of it's either Steve, Nancy,

01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:28.210
Dustin, or Max. And I'll go through them in order

01:19:28.210 --> 01:19:30.569
of who I think is fourth to first. So I'll give

01:19:30.569 --> 01:19:34.310
you my winner last. Steve. Okay. Okay, he explores

01:19:34.310 --> 01:19:37.729
the lake. He confirms the gate. He protects everybody.

01:19:38.289 --> 01:19:41.909
He's emotionally brave. He also, like, survives

01:19:41.909 --> 01:19:45.189
a choking out by a bat with its tail. Yeah. Nancy.

01:19:45.820 --> 01:19:48.600
Isn't overcome by Vecna's attack, doesn't lose

01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.939
her head, and is able to provide the information

01:19:51.939 --> 01:19:54.260
that he gives her and help form the Vecna plan.

01:19:54.699 --> 01:19:57.619
Hugely important. And jumps immediately after

01:19:57.619 --> 01:20:00.819
Steve to go save her. Very much so. Then there's

01:20:00.819 --> 01:20:04.619
Max, who gives herself up as bait, protects Eddie

01:20:04.619 --> 01:20:07.699
from the cops, and enables the plan moving forward

01:20:07.699 --> 01:20:10.319
into the finale. Yeah, there's a lot. But then

01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:13.840
there's the guy who really does it for me in

01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:17.489
these. Four episodes. His name is the serial

01:20:17.489 --> 01:20:22.630
killer of Hawkins. This 12 -year -old boy. Now,

01:20:22.710 --> 01:20:27.050
Dustin figures out using electricity to communicate

01:20:27.050 --> 01:20:29.229
with the Doobies in the Upside Down, remembering

01:20:29.229 --> 01:20:34.170
how Will did it, theorizes Watergate and Motorhome

01:20:34.170 --> 01:20:37.529
Gate, and confirms it with the help of everybody

01:20:37.529 --> 01:20:40.289
else, and gets everybody out of the Upside Down

01:20:40.289 --> 01:20:44.420
who's stuck there. then also points out Eleven's

01:20:44.420 --> 01:20:47.659
remote travel limitations, and that is the catalyst

01:20:47.659 --> 01:20:51.260
for their plan with using Max's bait to go and

01:20:51.260 --> 01:20:54.100
kill Vecna. Definitely. It's Dustin, right? Yeah,

01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.399
he really puts it all together. Yeah, it has

01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.079
to be. He puts it all together. He is the linchpin

01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:05.739
in all of the big discovery moments. Yeah. And,

01:21:05.739 --> 01:21:09.579
yeah, he nails it. All of these episodes end

01:21:09.579 --> 01:21:12.069
up being sort of... How do you get to the plan

01:21:12.069 --> 01:21:13.949
for the finale, which is how television works

01:21:13.949 --> 01:21:17.310
in a show like this. He is the person who really

01:21:17.310 --> 01:21:19.449
is doing the heavy listing on the plans. Once

01:21:19.449 --> 01:21:22.090
we actually get to the plan, he does like diddly

01:21:22.090 --> 01:21:27.590
squat. But. Unfortunately, yes. Unfortunately,

01:21:27.909 --> 01:21:31.130
yes. But. Also, I would put up here for LVP,

01:21:31.170 --> 01:21:32.989
that would be the least valuable player, would

01:21:32.989 --> 01:21:38.270
be Mike for these four episodes. I think you

01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:40.470
could make a legitimate – no other season, as

01:21:40.470 --> 01:21:42.350
much as I would like to do it for any other season,

01:21:42.510 --> 01:21:45.029
no other seasons or episodes that we've done

01:21:45.029 --> 01:21:47.369
could you put him remotely near into the LVP

01:21:47.369 --> 01:21:49.850
conversation. But Argyle, Jonathan, and William,

01:21:50.029 --> 01:21:52.829
and Mike over these four episodes are all like,

01:21:52.949 --> 01:21:57.470
what are we doing, kids? Yes. But Mike gets the

01:21:57.470 --> 01:22:03.659
LVP because Jonathan is – Very encouraging to

01:22:03.659 --> 01:22:06.180
Will. And the driver. Setting up that whole situation.

01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:11.260
And the driver. And he's calming Argyle. And

01:22:11.260 --> 01:22:16.939
he's handling all of these things. Will is bolstering

01:22:16.939 --> 01:22:21.060
Mike. And is having these big emotional moments.

01:22:21.100 --> 01:22:26.319
And is having these connections. And having Mike

01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:28.500
understand that he's the heart and all of these

01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:33.859
things. Argyle. Can pinpoint military tire tread.

01:22:34.699 --> 01:22:40.060
Wildly. Wildly. And essentially is the one who

01:22:40.060 --> 01:22:48.079
finds Nina and gets them there and has a few

01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:52.340
little moments where he's actually helpful. But

01:22:52.340 --> 01:22:58.760
Mike whines and freaks out and has to be helped

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:03.149
along. And just is very woe is me the entire

01:23:03.149 --> 01:23:10.090
time. LVP. First LVP in the history of this podcast.

01:23:13.069 --> 01:23:19.329
Clean your evil air and get ready for I was the

01:23:19.329 --> 01:23:24.710
turkey all along category. What is the biggest

01:23:24.710 --> 01:23:27.369
takeaway viewers should leave with in preparation

01:23:27.369 --> 01:23:32.890
for season? Five. Vecna is one, lest we forget,

01:23:33.090 --> 01:23:36.369
who kills people through their own mind like

01:23:36.369 --> 01:23:38.949
Freddy Krueger in dreams, but it's in their mind

01:23:38.949 --> 01:23:41.390
this time, not just their dreams, and he absorbs

01:23:41.390 --> 01:23:45.229
everything about them. Also, in addition to what

01:23:45.229 --> 01:23:47.930
we said last episode, he wants to make the world

01:23:47.930 --> 01:23:52.289
in his own way, and Eleven stopped him. After

01:23:52.289 --> 01:23:54.210
he killed all the other numbers except eight,

01:23:54.310 --> 01:23:58.579
he asks Eleven to join him. She refuses. And

01:23:58.579 --> 01:24:00.539
she beats him in a fight with her love memory,

01:24:00.819 --> 01:24:06.000
banishing one slash Henry to the upside down

01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:11.520
and creating Vecna. Yeah. Awesome. I mean, I,

01:24:11.619 --> 01:24:15.619
yeah. That's enough said. We've done it. Yep.

01:24:17.979 --> 01:24:22.699
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Alves. Jason is questioned and realizes the police

01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:11.340
do not believe in Jason's story. L puts a stop

01:26:11.340 --> 01:26:15.100
to him and causing Vecna to become Vecna. Who's

01:26:15.100 --> 01:26:21.539
Vecna? It's Vecna's evil -er twin. Evil -er twin.

01:26:22.380 --> 01:26:26.699
I grew out of a tentacle. I ate my twin outside

01:26:26.699 --> 01:26:32.140
of the womb. And I was the turkey all along.

01:26:32.140 --> 01:26:34.939
I was the turkey all along. Okay, let me start

01:26:34.939 --> 01:26:37.939
that off again. I was the tentacle all along.

01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:46.899
To succinct it this less that the words happened.

01:26:48.979 --> 01:26:56.260
To succinct this to what? Less what? Kill me.

01:26:56.359 --> 01:27:02.409
Okay. To succinct this less. That's the slogan

01:27:02.409 --> 01:27:09.050
of Fandom Shmandom. It's the tagline. To succinct

01:27:09.050 --> 01:27:12.869
this less. You thought we were going to make

01:27:12.869 --> 01:27:16.050
this more succinct. No, we're doing it less so

01:27:16.050 --> 01:27:22.149
for you. It will be really confusing and convoluted.

01:27:22.529 --> 01:27:28.279
Oh boy. Okay. I like also that both of us have

01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:30.779
gone into recently on the pods. Every time we

01:27:30.779 --> 01:27:33.640
mess up words, we just go into a big hero six

01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:43.340
month. But her win makes some of the other kitchen.