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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's

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episode, we will be simply shouting about Stranger

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Things Season 3, Episode 8, The Finale. And without

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further ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive

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on in. So get up to 88, because it's time to

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travel back to our story. Recap. We open on this

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finale in the Battle of Starcourt, which begins.

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And, as per usual, everyone that just got together

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has split up. Hoop, Joyce, and Murray descend

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down to the gate. Steve, Robin, Erica, and Dustin

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ascend up the hill to Dustin's Cerebro to maintain

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radio connection with those down below. And Elle,

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Max, Nancy, Jonathan, Lucas, Will, and Mike neither

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ascend nor descend. They, in fact, fail to go

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anywhere as their ignition cable has been pulled.

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But Biller, Biller has moved. He's sitting in

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his car, making no noise and pretending he doesn't

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exist. No, no, no. He's revving. Revving his

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engine like he's at the start of a fast and furious

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movie. Which... He kind of is, as he is both

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fast and furious. It's back into the mall for

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Elle's company of teens, where they... wait.

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For if Billy knows where they are, then so does

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the mind flayer. But no matter, Joyce, Hopper,

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and Murray have everything under control. After

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Harrison Ford, I mean, Hopper, punches a Russian

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and steals outfits, Murray uses his fluent Russian

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to get them deep into the base. While waiting

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for Murray to input a code, Joyce asks Hopper

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out, and Jim agrees. Yay! But Murray doesn't

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know math as well as he thinks he does, and Dustin

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has to contact Susie to get the math out of her.

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After a musical number, some begging, and cute

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pre -teen flirtiness, Dustin provides the code

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they need to get into a room to twist some keys

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so they can blow up the machine and close the

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gate. Steve and Robin see the Mind Flayer advancing

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towards the mall and drive down to save them.

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Above them, the kiddos push a car over to get

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a different ignition cable and then battle against

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the most horrifying monster anyone has ever seen.

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Yeah. Perfect. Excellent. It's so true. They're

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just like pushing this car and then, oh my god!

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They're like Kermit. See? Suddenly. Physics.

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It's like physics. The mind flayer, the grossness

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itself, is huge and deadly and looking for L.

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Lucas comes up with an idea way better than Mike

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ever has. Throw fireworks at the monster. It

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works. The fireworks explode. And hurt it. Cue

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entry music. Standing at 5 '10", at 200 pounds

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of pure Australian muscle, Billy Hargrove enters

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the ring. Thank you. He knocks out both Max and

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Mike before finding and delivering Elle to the

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grossness. Elle's powers don't seem to be working,

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but she manages to talk to Billy about his mom.

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while fireworks explode against the Mind Flayer.

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She brings out his inner human, and he turns

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against the Mind Flayer, protecting Elle, only

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to be killed fairly instantaneously for doing

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so. Below, Hoop fights Arnold Rushenegger and

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wins with another Harrison Ford reference by

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Temple of Dooming the Rushenegger into the machine,

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but trapping Hoop in the room. Joyce. Has to

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make a decision. Kill Hoop, or have the Mind

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Flayer take over everyone and everything. Well,

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we know how that goes. Cue myself? Dun dun dun.

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Or maybe not. When the machine explodes, closing

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the gate, destroying the Mind Flayer, and not

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affecting Dustin or Erica in any way, there's

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a shot inside the gate opening machine room where

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Hopper isn't there. Murray and Joyce run for

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it, escaping the Russians, just as Dr. Sam arrives

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with the cavalry of U .S. soldiers not actually

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on any horses. And then time passes. They're

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all wearing glasses now to show that time has

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passed. Dr. Sam is assumed dead. Joyce has adopted

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Elle, and they're moving. Nancy and Jonathan

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have a heartfelt goodbye, and in one of the most

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emotional scenes in the whole show, Elle reads

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Hopper's note, which is both a heart -to -heart

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and an extremely well -written, if accidental,

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goodbye. And that's it. Time for all to stay

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safe and mourn. Meanwhile, in Kamtschka, Russia,

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prisoners are being fed, Rancor -style, to a

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fully evolved but starved Demogorgon. Happiness.

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Find your donut holes. It's time for our Knives

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Out category, where we sleuth out which three

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storylines are the most vital to pay attention

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to. We got three. Number one, The Radio Tower,

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a .k .a. The Mall Crew, a .k .a. Scoop's Troop.

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Number two, Infiltration, The Adults, most notably

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Bald Eagle. Number three, Billy. And the Shadow

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Monster versus Griswold family. So, our first

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storyline, the radio tower. They drive up the

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hill and coordinate with Bald Eagle, the mall

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crew being Steve, Robin, Erica, and Dustin. They

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direct Murray through the tunnels, but then the

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teens head off to save the Griswold family. They

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have to contact Susie to get Planck's constant,

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because Murray can't remember math properly.

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It is the code to the keys in the lab, and Dusted

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sings a beautiful duet with girlfriend Susie,

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and it's adorable, and there's lots of sweeping

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cameras. Then they have to coordinate together

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with everybody else when exactly is the perfect

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time to close the gate when everything else is

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happening. They do a lot. Yeah, they do. So,

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Sam, what is most important about this storyline?

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Why did it make it into our top three? Well,

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it results... Besides the fact that there are

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three. There are only three storylines, so this

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one has to make it. We can't do a whole one just

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about Nancy's little sister again. She's the

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MVP. Okay. Yeah, so... There's one big glaring

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thing about this one, which is this storyline

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resolves the case of the missing girlfriend,

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which we finally get to meet Susie, have some

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wonderful lighthearted jokes around, you know,

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very Christian families. I think they taxfully

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make fun of sort of what Susie's upbringing is

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in a way that's both lighthearted and cute. And

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also very endearing. You know, she's a very devout

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girl. Um, the, one of the other things that this

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storyline does is bring us the, one of the reasons

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why Dustin's actor, uh, whose name I can never

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pronounce, but Gaten is his first name, uh, is,

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is here, which is that he was a Broadway star

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before he came to Stranger Things. And we get

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to see and hear him sing with, you know, uh,

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Dusty Buns' little girlfriend, Susie. I will

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also note here, I had the privilege of seeing

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him, uh, in Sweeney Todd. with josh groban in

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new york city and he's absolutely phenomenal

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um he does an incredible job in that play and

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i really really enjoyed uh you know saying that

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also i i met his like best friend they weren't

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best friends at the time they became best friends

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later the guy is uh yeah uh i forget his name

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but he was dating my cousin's husband's cousin

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who was a major actress on Broadway, and he was

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the understudy for Draco Malfoy's son in Cursed

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Child, and then went on to be in the cast for

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Sweeney Todd. Anyways, cool little factoid there.

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I am weirdly, very oddly connected to Gaten.

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Not at all. Okay, but going back to the actual

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story. we need somebody to coordinate and it

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also brings us into this nice full circle moment

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back to why on earth we care about the fact that

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dustin brings cerebro back right it's not just

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for um hey look i did this cool thing like we

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we have this nice little return to um some people

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call it ring theory when you sort of loop back

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around to something And so I really like this

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moment for that reason. You get a reason to have

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Cerebro. You also get to keep that group together,

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which their chemistry has been so good. Erica,

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Steve, Dustin, and Robin. And that payoff for

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Susie is really, really good. Also, they are

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able to get the communication from the mall fight

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down to Russian HQ to be able to let people know,

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you have to close the gate now. Which is what

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creates the sense of urgency that leads to Joyce.

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Having a belt loop twist. And as we think, murder

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Hopper. Speaking of the adults down below, we've

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got our second story here. Bald Eagle, which

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is the code name for Murray, which he just loves.

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So Hop shoots the soldiers when they get downstairs

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and is like, I'm improvising. And he does the

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Raiders of the Lost Ark like, oh, good. We're

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all in an outfit. Everyone gets to look like

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a Russian and they get into the base. Um, while

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Murray goes through vents and such, Joyce asks

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Hopper on a date, which we love. Uh, it's nice

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that nobody's tricking anybody into that. Murray

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disables the machine, uh, and Joyce and Hopper

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head in to get the keys to explode it. They don't

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have the right code, though, and have to get

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it from Susie, but make it into the control room,

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only to be stopped from turning the keys by the

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muscle man, the Russianator himself. As Hop and

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the actual name Grigori fight, Joyce tries to

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turn both keys, but Hop gets stuck on the other

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side of an electric field and knows he needs

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to be sacrificed. Remaining soldiers are evaporated

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and the gate closes. Joyce and Murray escape

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as the U .S. military arrives. And that is the

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end of that. So, Sierra, what is the key about

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the storyline? Why do we care about it? Well,

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it's closing the dang gate. So from a purely

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plot standpoint, vitally important, because this

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is how we are wrapping up this story. Once again,

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we think that Hawkins is free because we don't

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have any more bleed through from the upside down

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because this gate is closed, everybody. Definitely,

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definitely closed. And there's nothing else out

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there. No one will ever change that. But it is

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also what prompts Joyce's move and therefore

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taking Jonathan, Will, and Elle along with her.

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Yeah. And from a non -plot specific standpoint

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and just kind of the emotional notes of the show,

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A little bit of that Joyce Hopper payoff with

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them agreeing to go on a date, which we've been

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just waiting for. However, I don't know about

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anybody else, but the second that that date is

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agreed upon, I immediately have a sense of foreboding.

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And I know that both of them are not making it

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out of there. So it's almost like they doomed

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themselves with that. However, it's very cute.

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The looks that they give each other through the

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window, just the nonverbal communication is really

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spot on and very heart wrenching. The window

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being Joyce is about to turn keys. Hopper is

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stuck behind. It's that moment of sacrifice.

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And they beat the Russians. Yeah. So. A lot of

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great things you pointed out there. There's also

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that, like, we finally get an end to the Grigori,

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the Russianator storyline there. And just, like,

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I'll see you in hell being another Harrison Ford

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line with the Temple of Dooming after he, like,

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they just really soup up the Harrison Ford in

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this. And, like, I think it's funny that they...

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I wonder if an initial draft in the previous

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episode, when we talked about how one of the

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lines is you remind him of a fat Rambo, talking

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about Hopper, and the way that Alexis sees him.

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I do wonder if at one point they were like, oh,

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he reminds you of a, you know, like, clear and

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present danger Jack Ryan Harrison Ford character.

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Or if any other Harrison Ford character was stated

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first before they were like, that's probably

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just too much Harrison Ford. And they just went

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with Rando instead. Rando. Rambo. It's fine.

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I've never seen those movies. I'm learning so

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much about you today. I know. I've never seen

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Lampoon Christmas. I've never seen Rambo. And

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that's it. I've seen every other movie known

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to mankind. No. But I do really, really, really

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like... The coordination going on between Dustin

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and Hopper. Which is such an unusual pairing.

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Like you get Dustin on the radio to Hop. And

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I just. I think that's such a neat little thing.

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That happens. Especially because Dustin really

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is in charge. As soon as Steve and Robin are

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like. That's a monster going towards the mall.

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We're going to zip down there. And when we arrive

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at the mall. There's also Billy. And the shadow

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monster. Fighting our beloved. family. Billy

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has disabled the car, so they need to go back

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into the mall and find the display car and get

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the cable out of there. Elle also realizes that

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she doesn't have any powers anymore after trying

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to flip the car back. And then, of course, the

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Mind Flayer arrives. After escaping the mall

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and the Mind Flayer, they get to the car again

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with the cable. And Billy tries to ram them,

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but Steve arrives! Woo! Woo -woo! And takes out

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Billy's car before he can reach Nancy. Everyone

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makes it into the car, except for Mike, Elle,

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and Max, who are chased by Billy. Billy knocks

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out Mike and Max, kidnaps Elle, and then Billy

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attempts to sacrifice her to the Mind Flayer.

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The rest arrive to shower fireworks down on the

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Mind Flayer in this terrifying moment. And then

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Elle tries so hard to reach Billy, who's trapped

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in his own body. She's reminding him of the day

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on the beach with his mother. And it works. It

00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:39.659
actually works. And Billy tries to stop the Mind

00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:42.120
Flayer, essentially just sacrificing himself

00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:46.610
instead of Elle. The gate closing cuts the Mind

00:16:46.610 --> 00:16:51.509
Flayer off and it dies. So what is so key about

00:16:51.509 --> 00:16:55.110
all of this? Well, you know, it's certainly like

00:16:55.110 --> 00:16:59.169
the ultimate story happening here, which is as

00:16:59.169 --> 00:17:01.629
much as you and I, you know, love all the Hopper,

00:17:01.649 --> 00:17:04.529
the Joyce stuff, the Will stuff, the questions

00:17:04.529 --> 00:17:08.430
about Vecna and Will, and, you know, as much

00:17:08.430 --> 00:17:10.009
as we love everything except for whatever's going

00:17:10.009 --> 00:17:13.960
on with Mike, this is really... The ultimate

00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:16.819
storyline. So we've got this sort of Mind Flayer

00:17:16.819 --> 00:17:19.000
versus Elle moment. And I think what's neat about

00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:20.799
the storyline is it opens up a couple of questions

00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:25.180
here. Which is, why does the Mind Flayer want

00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:30.000
Elle, want to absorb Elle? Or to, you know, insert

00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.960
its tube into Elle like with everybody else?

00:17:32.019 --> 00:17:34.099
Is it trying to absorb it? Will it gain more

00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:37.559
strength? Or is it going to absorb her and then

00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.519
bring her back to Vecna? In addition to that...

00:17:40.910 --> 00:17:43.450
Billy has not been known to be the most self

00:17:43.450 --> 00:17:48.029
-sacrifice person. Billy, like Will in previous

00:17:48.029 --> 00:17:52.210
episodes, or previous seasons, has a lot of information

00:17:52.210 --> 00:17:55.210
that he has access to. So what's going on in

00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:58.990
Billy's head that as soon as he's able to finally

00:17:58.990 --> 00:18:01.650
fight the Mind Flayer, he's instantly like, no,

00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:05.309
I'm going to protect this person who I barely

00:18:05.309 --> 00:18:08.660
know. So that's, I think, these fascinating questions

00:18:08.660 --> 00:18:11.200
that have been brought up in the overall story,

00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.759
which is like, what is the Mind Flayer's plan

00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:18.559
with Elle? And what does Billy know to the fact

00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:20.359
that he just, it's not even a question. He turns

00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.220
around, I'm going to save her. Instead of just

00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:25.720
like, yeah, it's in my best interest to still

00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:38.200
live and let you die. Just hits home again the

00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:43.359
idea of this has been built for L and that we

00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.480
still don't fully know what that means. What

00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:51.259
does it mean? What does it mean? Just like Vader

00:18:51.259 --> 00:18:57.859
when he's spinning in A New Hope. What? What?

00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:06.279
What? Keep your finger on the pause button and

00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.500
rewind that tape. It's the prestige category

00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:13.299
for what did we notice on this watch through?

00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.119
Jim is rocking that pastel Hawaiian shirt. I

00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:20.059
gotta say, when the police officer says at the

00:19:20.059 --> 00:19:21.720
beginning, that's too much color for you, Chief,

00:19:21.819 --> 00:19:24.259
when he's down in the Russian base, like when

00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:25.980
he's in those blue lighting in the elevator when

00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:28.859
he's at the mall, I'm like, this guy looks dang

00:19:28.859 --> 00:19:35.230
good. It's really, it is quite a look. Excellent

00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:38.450
and perfect for him. He should just wear that

00:19:38.450 --> 00:19:44.009
shirt. But then he changes into a stupid Russian

00:19:44.009 --> 00:19:46.690
uniform almost immediately. Well, he couldn't

00:19:46.690 --> 00:19:51.289
chance that shirt being blown up. This is fair.

00:19:51.490 --> 00:19:57.930
He can die, but the shirt must survive. There's

00:19:57.930 --> 00:20:00.890
a filler episode like Breaking Bad's Fly that's

00:20:00.890 --> 00:20:04.579
just the perspective of the shirt. As it gets

00:20:04.579 --> 00:20:08.220
folded up and brought to a thrift store and then

00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:11.460
not bought until the 90s and then they ruin and

00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:15.259
spoil everything about what happens. Oh my gosh.

00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:20.559
Great. Or it ends up somewhere and when eventually

00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:24.819
Elle finds it or something. Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:20:27.460 --> 00:20:31.759
I'd forgotten. how much L and company's story

00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.599
is a little bit filler for a second. Like, it

00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.720
takes a minute to tell the mind flayer to get

00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.720
there, and they're just kind of like, well, I

00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.400
guess we'll go outside to the car. No, the car

00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.019
doesn't work. All right, we'll pop the hood.

00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.599
Okay. Well, your ignition cable's gone. Oh, that

00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.240
sucks. Vroom, vroom. Oh, no, that's... I think

00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.539
that's Billy over there. Let's go back in the

00:20:53.539 --> 00:20:56.779
mall. Okay. I guess the mind flayer's gonna show

00:20:56.779 --> 00:20:59.210
up. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. Well, let's

00:20:59.210 --> 00:21:01.150
get the ignition cable from over here. Yeah,

00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:03.670
yeah, yeah, totally. That sounds great. Push

00:21:03.670 --> 00:21:06.930
over car. Physics. And then the monster shows

00:21:06.930 --> 00:21:10.730
up. It's just kind of this weird, this weird

00:21:10.730 --> 00:21:16.069
lead up to it. It really is odd. Yeah, it does.

00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:18.630
It takes a little bit for that plot line to get

00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:20.990
going. And I think it's paced properly. Like,

00:21:21.009 --> 00:21:22.450
I have no complaints about it. It's just like,

00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:25.369
when you kind of separate it out. Like, if you

00:21:25.369 --> 00:21:26.930
were to just watch that, if you were to have

00:21:26.930 --> 00:21:28.670
watched that whole thing first, and then the

00:21:28.670 --> 00:21:30.329
monster gets there, and then you cut to everything

00:21:30.329 --> 00:21:33.089
else, and it was all just, like, a triptych where

00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:34.970
it's all one thing, all one thing, all one thing,

00:21:34.970 --> 00:21:37.990
and then the battle starts, you would be sitting

00:21:37.990 --> 00:21:41.569
there being like, what is this? What are they

00:21:41.569 --> 00:21:47.569
doing? What is happening? So, once the Mind Flayer

00:21:47.569 --> 00:21:50.029
does get there, after they've pushed the car

00:21:50.029 --> 00:21:55.609
over and the action starts, the - The mind flayer,

00:21:55.650 --> 00:21:59.349
the grossness, knows enough about walkie -talkies

00:21:59.349 --> 00:22:03.049
to roar into it and then throw it? Not only that,

00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:04.890
but it hits the button. Because you have to hit

00:22:04.890 --> 00:22:06.990
the button to talk. Yeah, it hits the button

00:22:06.990 --> 00:22:12.670
to roar into it and then chucks it. It has the,

00:22:12.690 --> 00:22:15.430
like, fine motor skills to hit that small of

00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:17.410
a button? Is it, like, using its little alien

00:22:17.410 --> 00:22:20.109
hand thing that comes out to, like, yeah! And

00:22:20.109 --> 00:22:24.230
then hit the button? I know. It is really funny

00:22:24.230 --> 00:22:27.650
to just have it go, ah, at the mic, and Dustin's

00:22:27.650 --> 00:22:33.269
just like, hey, is that static? That doesn't

00:22:33.269 --> 00:22:37.390
sound great. It doesn't sound wonderful. Yeah,

00:22:37.430 --> 00:22:41.349
that is a particularly odd part. I mean, it's

00:22:41.349 --> 00:22:43.829
really fun in watch, but again, when you separate

00:22:43.829 --> 00:22:46.230
it out, you're like, I guess it would know, because

00:22:46.230 --> 00:22:48.990
it absorbed people who've used walkie -talkies

00:22:48.990 --> 00:22:53.140
before, but like, come on. Why would it think

00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:55.700
to even do that in the moment? It's got residual

00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:59.460
Will memories. And so it's like, I know all you

00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:03.640
suckers are on this channel. Maybe it thinks

00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.640
that the others have their walkie -talkies on

00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.279
too, so it's trying to find them by hearing the

00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.460
roars pop up. That's a terrible theory, but it's

00:23:13.460 --> 00:23:18.140
there. Alright, so big question here. I like...

00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.480
Even after all of season four, which is about

00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:24.180
healing Elle's power for her storyline, I still

00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:27.859
don't understand why Elle's powers aren't working.

00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:31.720
And it really bothers me because I feel really

00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.319
stupid. Like I'm clearly missing core concept.

00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:39.339
I also do not understand. So we're either dumb

00:23:39.339 --> 00:23:43.460
together. Yeah, great. Or it's not fully explained

00:23:43.460 --> 00:23:48.839
because I actually started kind of. seeing crowdsourcing

00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.619
some information on this right me too and yeah

00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:55.619
there's no concrete anything you know everybody's

00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:58.720
got assumptions and guesses and maybe it was

00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.180
because of the physical injury maybe it was because

00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:06.400
of the uh the actual part of the mind flare that

00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.799
ended up in her leg that it infected her maybe

00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:14.210
it dead battery because of the the dead battery

00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:17.349
the proximity there's so many different theories

00:24:17.349 --> 00:24:20.130
but it does really bother me that season four

00:24:20.130 --> 00:24:23.390
doesn't answer it it doesn't in a satisfying

00:24:23.390 --> 00:24:27.289
way right whatever dr brennan's just like you've

00:24:27.289 --> 00:24:29.430
got a wound that needs healing and then it's

00:24:29.430 --> 00:24:31.670
a mental wound and a memory wound and then her

00:24:31.670 --> 00:24:33.650
powers come back and i'm like but it's not like

00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:36.869
she faced Vecna right here, she faces the...

00:24:36.869 --> 00:24:39.869
The thing that makes most sense to me is that

00:24:39.869 --> 00:24:42.670
she dead -batteried and that killed it. And that

00:24:42.670 --> 00:24:44.410
in order to get her memory, like, her powers

00:24:44.410 --> 00:24:46.769
back, she needed her full self. But it's not

00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:50.910
explained in any satisfying way. And so I, you

00:24:50.910 --> 00:24:54.990
know, I sometimes think about, like, hey, could

00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:57.809
I win a debate? And with this, I could not win

00:24:57.809 --> 00:24:59.690
a debate. Like, there's not enough information.

00:25:00.190 --> 00:25:03.190
No one in my mind could win the debate on this.

00:25:03.740 --> 00:25:05.660
Other than the writers, like, obviously, but.

00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:10.880
Well, yeah. I would hope. One would hope. Or

00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:13.099
it'll be like. One would hope. The last writers

00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:14.759
being like, well, we don't know what's wrong

00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:22.539
with Walt. Again, Dacre's facial acting. Yeah.

00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:28.980
When he is running Nancy down is amazing because.

00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:32.640
It's full Mind Flayer takeover. Yeah. But again,

00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.279
you can see the tiny bit of Billy still in there.

00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.079
Yeah. And just the little moment where he looks

00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.880
absolutely terrified to be doing what he's doing,

00:25:42.940 --> 00:25:45.720
which in hindsight, now that I'm really thinking

00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.279
about it, he was fully ready to run over three

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:54.109
small children. But now is. a little concerned

00:25:54.109 --> 00:25:56.730
about running over nancy well i don't think it's

00:25:56.730 --> 00:25:58.309
i don't think it's so much about nancy i mean

00:25:58.309 --> 00:26:01.390
the crumple zones on 1970s cars are not very

00:26:01.390 --> 00:26:04.829
good and so i think like there's a legitimate

00:26:04.829 --> 00:26:07.490
chance of without and i don't know if that car

00:26:07.490 --> 00:26:09.769
has airbags or not they're not you know standard

00:26:09.769 --> 00:26:12.950
in the 70s so like the idea of like 70 miles

00:26:12.950 --> 00:26:17.990
an hour ramming into uh that car even if he misses

00:26:17.990 --> 00:26:21.130
nancy i feel like like oh death might be upon

00:26:21.130 --> 00:26:23.769
me Is going on his mind. Yeah, that as well.

00:26:24.250 --> 00:26:27.170
And then, of course, then Steve hits him. And

00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:29.990
everyone walks away from that accident. So, what

00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:34.470
do I know? Yeah. I mean, he doesn't look great

00:26:34.470 --> 00:26:37.930
after. He does not. That's true. There's definitely

00:26:37.930 --> 00:26:42.369
some injury happening. But, yeah. But it's crazy,

00:26:42.509 --> 00:26:45.549
though. It just keeps going. And this man needs

00:26:45.549 --> 00:26:48.190
to be hired on hired on hired, in my opinion.

00:26:49.289 --> 00:26:51.269
So, speaking of something that keeps on going.

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.660
the harrison ford stuff in season three all right

00:26:57.660 --> 00:27:00.140
so it's a lot and and we've we've pointed out

00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:02.019
a bunch of them there's way more if people can

00:27:02.019 --> 00:27:03.900
go through season three and just be like harrison

00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:05.940
ford harrison ford harrison ford harrison ford

00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:07.940
for hop yeah and the writers even talked about

00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:10.980
it um way back when when they were like you know

00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:13.700
is hop dead i mean harrison everyone keeps saying

00:27:13.700 --> 00:27:15.700
he's harrison ford and is harrison ford dead

00:27:15.700 --> 00:27:17.559
at the end of empire and everyone's like oh okay

00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.289
so he's alive then um because no harrison ford

00:27:21.289 --> 00:27:25.349
is not and neither is han solo um yeah but do

00:27:25.349 --> 00:27:27.490
you love it or hate it all the harrison ford

00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:31.730
stuff oh i love it okay good me too yeah i i

00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:35.029
love it i loved it back in season two when he

00:27:35.029 --> 00:27:37.670
did the hat grab yeah the indiana girls hat grab

00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:43.109
totally yeah and i just i i do really enjoy it

00:27:43.109 --> 00:27:47.069
might be a silly thing but when movies or shows

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.240
put in references that are almost like a scavenger

00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.019
hunt for me to find while i'm watching i do very

00:27:54.019 --> 00:27:57.660
much enjoy that especially if they're fun things

00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:03.140
that work with the character and blend into the

00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:07.220
landscape yeah so i think it is it's definitely

00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:11.000
it i i yeah i very much enjoy all of the little

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.859
moments and pinpointing them and Going, ah, that's

00:28:14.859 --> 00:28:18.319
the, you know, insert Leonardo DiCaprio from

00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.519
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood pointing at himself.

00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.500
Absolutely. So I liken it to, because some people

00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:29.339
don't like it. I liken it to, you know, sometimes

00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:31.579
you get cover bands, right? People who only play

00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:34.700
other people's music. And they can be very good.

00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.799
They can even play some songs really, like, as

00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.950
well or even better sometimes, right? And then

00:28:40.950 --> 00:28:43.470
you get bands that do covers. So I'm thinking,

00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.049
like, Panic at the Disco covered Queen's Bohemian

00:28:46.049 --> 00:28:48.950
Rhapsody. Yeah. And that's phenomenal, especially

00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:51.009
when they get to the breakdown, the guitar solo,

00:28:51.089 --> 00:28:53.289
where they just go, like, very Panic at the Disco

00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:57.789
-y on it. But I would liken, like, Hopper's sort

00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.690
of Harrison Ford stuff that David Harbour posed

00:29:00.690 --> 00:29:04.289
off so well to when Smash Mouth covered The Monkees.

00:29:04.670 --> 00:29:08.130
For, I thought love was only true. Oh, yeah.

00:29:08.130 --> 00:29:09.589
And then I have to stop there, or else we'll

00:29:09.589 --> 00:29:14.470
get sued. Love was out to... You know, all that

00:29:14.470 --> 00:29:18.430
stuff. Yeah. And, like, that... Everyone knows

00:29:18.430 --> 00:29:21.910
that from Shrek. So, like, that Smash Mouth cover

00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:25.529
of The Monkees is a better song. And, like, this

00:29:25.529 --> 00:29:27.430
is... No one will ever top Harrison Ford. But

00:29:27.430 --> 00:29:30.750
David Harbour's use of those Harrison Ford moments,

00:29:30.869 --> 00:29:33.049
I think, just elevates the show in a really great

00:29:33.049 --> 00:29:37.039
way. Mm -hmm. Yeah, I agree. Here's another question

00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.299
for you, though. Turning back to Billy, the Australian

00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:44.640
man. Why doesn't the grossness itself absorb

00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:49.500
Billy when he turns tailcoat instead of killing

00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:56.160
him? I think because it's an in -the -moment

00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:02.299
decision, and the grossness has lost control

00:30:02.299 --> 00:30:05.799
over Billy. And is angry about it. Oh, interesting.

00:30:05.900 --> 00:30:08.900
So you don't think it can disintegrate him because

00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:11.319
it lost control? No, I think it can't. No, I

00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.980
think he lost control over Billy because none

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:16.039
of the other ones were willing participants either.

00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:21.759
So I think that he has lost control over Billy.

00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.339
Billy is standing up against it. And so the Mind

00:30:26.339 --> 00:30:30.160
Flayer is angry about that and just is lashing

00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.250
out. Basically going back to kind of like a baser

00:30:34.250 --> 00:30:40.049
instinct, more of an animalistic quality of how

00:30:40.049 --> 00:30:43.569
dare you defy me and then I'll show you what

00:30:43.569 --> 00:30:45.910
happens to those who defy me type of a thing.

00:30:46.250 --> 00:30:49.609
Also, I think at this point, potentially, Billy

00:30:49.609 --> 00:30:54.309
has been injured and beaten and bruised and potentially

00:30:54.309 --> 00:30:59.569
has... outlived his usefulness and so there may

00:30:59.569 --> 00:31:02.410
not be anything that the mind flayer stands to

00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:05.210
gain by absorbing him a little extra meat never

00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:11.509
hurt little little new billy arm punch from billy

00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:14.829
extra little tentacle yeah exactly that's true

00:31:14.829 --> 00:31:16.410
it's not much matter that he would be adding

00:31:16.410 --> 00:31:20.059
okay i accept your thing This is a very random

00:31:20.059 --> 00:31:24.079
thing that is not in our plan to discuss. However,

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.980
I just want to mention that I think the shadow

00:31:26.980 --> 00:31:32.519
monster looks like the creature in Attack of

00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.819
the Clones that... Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Yeah,

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:40.180
it's 100%. I thank you for saying it. I've been

00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:44.059
thinking it for like 10 years. Yes. It is. Absolutely.

00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:47.200
It's that, but just thicker. I feel like... Yeah,

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.299
exactly. I keep wanting to mention it and then

00:31:49.299 --> 00:31:52.920
I forget to mention it. And so I just was picturing

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.700
it in my head and I was going, it really, it

00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:57.440
really, really does. It really does. It really

00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:03.559
looks like that. Good. But anyway. This time,

00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.799
the mind flayer dies when the gate is closed.

00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:13.119
But it didn't last time. Why? Is this because...

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.680
The Russians were already opening the gate when

00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.000
Elle closed that one because they were already

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.079
experimenting and they just hadn't come to Hawkins

00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.160
yet? I think that's – no, they are. They are

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.079
in Hawkins. So this is one of the reasons why

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.180
we did that little breakdown at the beginning

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:30.920
of the season. They're there summer of 1984.

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.140
October of 84 is when season two occurs. So when

00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:39.339
they say one year later, they're already in Hawkins

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:43.029
opening up the gate. Interesting. Okay. That's

00:32:43.029 --> 00:32:45.009
my assumption. I know that they were like, we

00:32:45.009 --> 00:32:47.029
had to move, and I think they'd already moved

00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:49.289
and were starting to make it work in Hawkins,

00:32:49.470 --> 00:32:51.569
which is why the Shadow Monster was still able

00:32:51.569 --> 00:32:54.869
to be there. Got it. So there was just enough

00:32:54.869 --> 00:32:58.990
of a second gate open. Yeah. A smidgen. Because

00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:00.849
otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Otherwise

00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:04.170
the Shadow Monster shouldn't die. Also, to your

00:33:04.170 --> 00:33:07.450
Attack of the Clones reference, both Season 2

00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:08.910
and Season 3, I'm like, why aren't they making

00:33:08.910 --> 00:33:11.970
any Phantom Menace references? To like, oh, you

00:33:11.970 --> 00:33:13.670
kill the main computer and they all said, oh,

00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:16.930
right, that's 1999. They're nowhere near it coming

00:33:16.930 --> 00:33:19.309
out. They've barely seen Return of the Jedi.

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:26.269
Anyways, yeah, I think that's why. Okay. I accept

00:33:26.269 --> 00:33:31.250
this premise. So after everything has completed

00:33:31.250 --> 00:33:37.410
and Hopper is presumed dead, we all end up outside

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:40.740
the mall. And everybody's coming together to

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:43.119
find each other to see who has survived and who

00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:48.259
has not. Yeah. And this struck me as odd because

00:33:48.259 --> 00:33:53.140
for how much Joyce has been a mom to Elle over

00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:57.660
the last three seasons, ever since the saltwater

00:33:57.660 --> 00:34:01.019
pool and really just being there to support her,

00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.460
I would have thought that she would offer some

00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:06.750
comfort. That Joyce would offer Elle comfort

00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:10.110
instead of just staring at her sadly while she

00:34:10.110 --> 00:34:14.929
hugs Will. Like, Hopper was very important to

00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:18.489
Joyce. Arguably a lot more important to Elle.

00:34:18.670 --> 00:34:22.969
Yeah. Who has now just lost yet another parent.

00:34:23.889 --> 00:34:28.170
And arguably the only parent that she has known

00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:32.570
and has cared for her. Yeah. And... joyce just

00:34:32.570 --> 00:34:37.269
kind of awkwardly stares at her i think i it's

00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:39.730
very weird i think this is a writing contrived

00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:45.170
moment um to specifically illustrate what hopper's

00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:48.889
death means for the loneliness of l um and and

00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:51.590
so you see i think you could you can make the

00:34:51.590 --> 00:34:53.070
argument that this is a moment that joyce is

00:34:53.070 --> 00:34:54.710
now realizing that she's going to need to be

00:34:54.710 --> 00:34:57.199
the one to take l in And so you're seeing her

00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.599
observe Elle, looking how lonely she is and doing

00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.019
that. Now, it may be that 10 seconds later, she

00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:04.699
goes and hugs her and takes care of her, but

00:35:04.699 --> 00:35:09.820
they cut. This isn't quite a Force Awakens Leia,

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:14.099
Chewie, Han moment where Han's dead and Leia

00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:16.420
doesn't even go to hug Chewie or anything, right?

00:35:16.539 --> 00:35:20.699
Like, that's crazy. So I think it's just that,

00:35:20.739 --> 00:35:23.460
because I think in actuality, Joyce would be...

00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:26.519
Very aware and would absolutely take care of

00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.480
Elle in tandem with Will. Yeah, I kept expecting

00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:36.960
her to gesture her over and kind of usher her

00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.579
into this new family they're about to create.

00:35:39.579 --> 00:35:41.139
I would have loved that moment. I would have

00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:44.019
loved a second longer to have her gesture and

00:35:44.019 --> 00:35:48.019
Elle to come over. Mm -hmm. Yeah. In addition

00:35:48.019 --> 00:35:52.070
to that, why is it that Mike... Can't be nice

00:35:52.070 --> 00:35:54.750
to anybody except for L because I like the way

00:35:54.750 --> 00:35:56.670
that he treats L at the end of this episode.

00:35:57.289 --> 00:36:00.849
He's so in tune with kind of her needs, emotional

00:36:00.849 --> 00:36:03.530
needs. And then when he comes in and sees her

00:36:03.530 --> 00:36:06.510
trying, he is not Mr. Negative. He's not Mr.

00:36:06.789 --> 00:36:10.030
Consolatory. He's not Mr. Let's empathize and

00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:12.190
sympathize and be mournful. He comes in and is

00:36:12.190 --> 00:36:15.329
joyful and is all about how can we make the future

00:36:15.329 --> 00:36:18.349
better? And it's such a great Mike moment. But

00:36:18.349 --> 00:36:20.989
I'm like, where is this for everyone else? You're

00:36:20.989 --> 00:36:24.190
a constant jerk. And then suddenly you're great.

00:36:24.409 --> 00:36:28.829
And I just be better, Mike. Mm hmm. We we get

00:36:28.829 --> 00:36:32.710
I will say this is not the only time that I feel

00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:35.510
this. Yeah. Because there's at least one other

00:36:35.510 --> 00:36:37.510
time that I can think of in season four where

00:36:37.510 --> 00:36:39.849
I feel this exact same thing where I go, wow,

00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:42.690
he actually can discuss things with Elle in a

00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:45.929
kind of mature way. And he knows how to bring

00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:49.539
things up with her and whatnot. However, where

00:36:49.539 --> 00:36:53.659
has this been? Yeah. For real. Why are you being

00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:57.719
so mean to everybody else? Poor Will. Poor Will

00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.659
indeed. Poor Will indeed. It's fine. We'll get

00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:07.539
to that next season. Dear Lord. But before we

00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:10.199
get there, you don't have to face down a horde

00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.539
of angry soldiers all by yourself. Oh. Buckle

00:37:13.539 --> 00:37:16.840
up, Schmisseners. Because it's our Sansa is smarter

00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.199
than John category. Four. What is the most important

00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.880
character moment of this episode? I have a caveat

00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.360
on my selection. That one thing could win everything.

00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:34.519
Exactly. Which is there are two that we will

00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.820
discuss in the most important, most iconic category.

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.480
Yeah. And I put both of them out of the running

00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.300
for the most important character moment. For

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.929
the other categories, yeah. To leave them for

00:37:44.929 --> 00:37:47.789
the other categories. Yeah. So, besides those,

00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:51.230
I believe that it is Elle attempting to use her

00:37:51.230 --> 00:37:54.349
powers against Billy, even though she doesn't

00:37:54.349 --> 00:37:56.829
have them anymore and she's already tested them.

00:37:57.010 --> 00:37:59.369
Yeah, I think that really doubles down on this.

00:37:59.449 --> 00:38:03.530
Like, her powers are done done. Like, this is,

00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:06.690
like, they have to figure this out sans magic.

00:38:07.070 --> 00:38:10.679
Right? This is, if Harry Potter had a... bunch

00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:12.719
of muggle friends. They need to figure out how

00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.079
to take down Voldemort without his powers. Like,

00:38:15.139 --> 00:38:17.599
that's what's happening here. And I think that

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:23.360
really sets expectations for the Watcher on first

00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:26.019
watches to be like, wait, something's seriously

00:38:26.019 --> 00:38:28.519
wrong. And so we're not caught off guard when

00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.300
time passes and everyone's wearing glasses and

00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:35.739
she can't get down the teddy bear. Yes. And I

00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:40.780
also think it brings up the fact that Elle is

00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:45.159
so reliant on her powers as well. And that is

00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.239
still her go -to. And the first thing that she

00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:52.599
thinks of when in a dangerous situation or when

00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.639
she needs something is to use her powers. And

00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.059
she can't. Yeah, absolutely. I know you just

00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:03.760
lost a hand, but listen up. It's time for the

00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:09.210
I am your father category. For most iconic character

00:39:09.210 --> 00:39:14.210
moment. Sierra, what you got? So again, besides

00:39:14.210 --> 00:39:20.510
the two in another category, I am going with

00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:25.449
Steve racing away to save the rest, smashing

00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:28.869
into Billy's car. I do have an honorable mention,

00:39:28.949 --> 00:39:34.380
which is as a visual. Just an iconic sequence,

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.659
not necessarily character moment, but an iconic

00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:40.659
visual and sequence would be the mind flayer

00:39:40.659 --> 00:39:44.800
lit up by fireworks. Yeah. Because I think that

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.900
that is the thing that sticks in my head the

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:50.840
most when I think about this season is the shadow

00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:56.860
monster bearing down and the fireworks all going

00:39:56.860 --> 00:40:01.380
off around it. being illuminated by it and everything.

00:40:01.579 --> 00:40:06.340
So that's my honorable mention. But my pick is

00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:09.480
Steve smashing into Billy's car. You know, I

00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.599
really like that moment. And it's funny because

00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.559
I think that the Steve moment is actually not

00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.579
the most iconic part of that. It's the Billy

00:40:15.579 --> 00:40:17.619
moment that we'd already discussed where he's

00:40:17.619 --> 00:40:20.139
looking at him. And so, you know, it's an important

00:40:20.139 --> 00:40:25.139
moment for Steve, certainly. risk his life and

00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:27.840
also robin's life to save everybody else it's

00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.960
such a turnaround as we've continuously seen

00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.780
since season one steve and continues to hammer

00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:38.059
down at just how good of a man he is and so when

00:40:38.059 --> 00:40:40.719
nancy is sort of spouting off about all of jonathan's

00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.400
uh wonderful qualities at the beginning of season

00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.940
four steve is actually all of those things in

00:40:45.940 --> 00:40:51.489
this episode um but To me, this isn't even Steve's

00:40:51.489 --> 00:40:58.610
most iconic moment of the season. Fair. So, to

00:40:58.610 --> 00:41:01.650
me, the thing that's iconic, when I think people

00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:05.269
think, like, of season three, it's the musical

00:41:05.269 --> 00:41:09.110
number. It's Dustin and it's Susie with the sweeping

00:41:09.110 --> 00:41:11.750
cameras and the silliness and the flirtiness

00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:14.269
and the, why are they doing this in the middle

00:41:14.269 --> 00:41:17.469
of, like, there's, like, genuine questions about,

00:41:17.510 --> 00:41:20.059
like, why is this written this way? But also,

00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:23.760
like, why is Dustin okay with singing this song

00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.159
when everybody's about to die? But also, like,

00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:31.400
that song topped the charts during that week.

00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:37.199
So, you'll kind of hate me for this. I legitimately

00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.519
did not remember that the musical number existed

00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.599
until re -watching it. So, for me, it's not exceptionally

00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.239
iconic. Yeah, for me it's not iconic. Okay. Because

00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:56.480
I didn't remember. But I can see how it could

00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.619
be for others. Yes, great. I will take the win.

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.940
We'll pry it. We'll pry it from your cold, dead

00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:09.079
hands. Cold, dead hands. As you slowly get absorbed

00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:14.400
into the grossness. Yes. Everybody, sit down.

00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:20.309
It's time for our... I am Iron Man award. Most

00:42:20.309 --> 00:42:26.329
iconic and most important scene. I have an honorable

00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:29.409
mention and I will explain why it is my honorable

00:42:29.409 --> 00:42:33.090
mention and not the winner in between the honorable

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:35.550
mention revealing the winner. Okay. Honorable

00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:40.929
mention goes to Hopper sacrificing himself to

00:42:40.929 --> 00:42:44.710
close the gate. Yes, I agree. Why? I do not think

00:42:44.710 --> 00:42:48.429
that this deserves the win is because ultimately

00:42:48.429 --> 00:42:54.750
the impact of Hopper's death, while devastating,

00:42:54.929 --> 00:43:00.869
does not really affect the current story. So

00:43:00.869 --> 00:43:04.800
it is an unfortunate incident. But he's not –

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.159
it's kind of sacrificing, but it's not really

00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.980
sacrificing. Yeah, yeah. He's not making a choice,

00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400
really, because it's either Joyce is really the

00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.019
one who's making the choice to sacrifice him.

00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:22.980
Right. And so – but I don't think that for her

00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:27.719
either, it's not like his death causes something

00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.610
else to happen. Right. that progresses the story.

00:43:30.809 --> 00:43:35.150
It causes, it causes Joyce to move and bring

00:43:35.150 --> 00:43:38.130
Elle out to California, which then elongates

00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:40.489
her process back to Hawkins. But still to your

00:43:40.489 --> 00:43:42.469
point, doesn't, I mean, it changes the fact that

00:43:42.469 --> 00:43:44.150
Elle wasn't there to take on Vecna immediately,

00:43:44.389 --> 00:43:49.429
but it doesn't really like Hopper is still alive.

00:43:50.449 --> 00:43:56.090
Yes. Yes. So that is why the winner of this category.

00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.260
Is Billy sacrificing himself to the Mind Flayer

00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:04.739
to protect Elle. I think that entire - And the

00:44:04.739 --> 00:44:07.659
rest. I think that entire sequence is definitely

00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:12.659
most important and most iconic scene. It's the

00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:15.679
lead up to, right? It's bringing Elle over. It's

00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.889
talking to Billy about his mom. It's the - Kids

00:44:19.889 --> 00:44:22.750
were throwing fireworks and being out and this

00:44:22.750 --> 00:44:25.510
group effort to try and take something down to

00:44:25.510 --> 00:44:30.269
buy them time. And then it's Billy having that

00:44:30.269 --> 00:44:32.969
turnaround moment. And unfortunately, his turnaround

00:44:32.969 --> 00:44:36.010
moment, unlike Steve's, is not long lived. So

00:44:36.010 --> 00:44:38.610
he gets to play the hero for a second and then

00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:41.929
is killed in front of Max, which is a horrifying

00:44:41.929 --> 00:44:45.250
moment. And one of the things that starts off

00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:48.719
season four. Unlike Hopper's death, which does

00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.280
have some impact on season four, this has the

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.659
major impact on season four. Vecna is targeting

00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:57.840
Max specifically over this ordeal with Billy.

00:44:58.300 --> 00:45:01.639
Yes, exactly. And just like you said, the colors.

00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:06.860
So I would be super happy to, for most iconic

00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:09.079
character moments, swap out musical number for

00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.260
Hopper sacrificing himself. Because I think that

00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:15.179
definitely deserves to win. That is fair. I will

00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:19.099
take that swap. Awesome. Crack open an encyclopedia?

00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:22.780
As Elijah Wood once said, no. How could we have

00:45:22.780 --> 00:45:25.519
known? Here we'll be discussing the most important

00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.639
information disseminated to the fandom in this

00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.400
final episode. Elle can lose her connection to

00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:38.679
her abilities via injury, general trauma, infection?

00:45:40.530 --> 00:45:43.309
Questions about. Questions about, indeed. This

00:45:43.309 --> 00:45:46.969
is, for real, a big deal. Because it's still,

00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:50.829
to my satisfaction, and it seems to most of the

00:45:50.829 --> 00:45:53.269
hardcore Stranger Things internet faction, has

00:45:53.269 --> 00:45:57.429
not been sufficiently answered as to how, who,

00:45:57.530 --> 00:46:00.900
what, when, when, why. Now. As we've been watching,

00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:04.019
I've been texting Sierra, as Sierra's been texting

00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:05.840
me, and we've been talking about a lot of stuff.

00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:08.500
And I am now sort of firmly of the opinion that

00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:13.980
Will has powers. And so this has even more ramifications

00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:17.039
if there's two people with powers. If Will is

00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.019
going to end up being 12, essentially. Or even

00:46:21.019 --> 00:46:24.179
if 8 comes back, which I don't see happening

00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:28.380
for Season 5, but who knows. And I think one

00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:31.480
of them is going to join Vecna's side, I think.

00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:34.300
Most likely will, but possibly L. And if you

00:46:34.300 --> 00:46:36.659
can remove the power of somebody, this could

00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:40.519
mean some sort of big thing. Or the writers are

00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:44.559
just leaving it as B and we kind of dealt with

00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.000
it as we dealt with it in season four, which

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.159
would be disappointing. But it is a big deal.

00:46:48.500 --> 00:46:53.860
It is. It could leave a lot for the plot to continue

00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:58.300
and could... really yeah as you said have those

00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:02.780
ramifications should the ability should someone

00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:05.719
else find out exactly how l has lost her powers

00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.599
and then be able to use that purposefully yeah

00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.960
well you know it's it's interesting um the the

00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.219
promotional material for season five just recently

00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:17.500
came out um in the real world not when you're

00:47:17.500 --> 00:47:20.840
hearing this episode listener the will poster

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.840
he has the red shaded eyes that they give Elle

00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:30.500
at the end of season one when I went, what? Why

00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:33.420
does she have those eyes? So I just, I really

00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:34.739
think that there's something coming of this.

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.239
It also might be that, you know, they sort of

00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:41.460
avatar to fire Lord Vecna, where they take away

00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:44.719
his bending, so to speak, with what they've learned

00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:48.900
from Elle losing her powers. So who knows? The

00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:51.280
other big piece of information disseminated here

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.949
is the fact that humans under the, The grossness,

00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:56.849
the Mind Flayer spell can be brought back by

00:47:56.849 --> 00:47:59.929
appealing to their humanity. There is a bunch

00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:03.210
of speculation in people who are big D &D fans,

00:48:03.469 --> 00:48:05.590
because Vecna is, unlike the Mind Flayer, Vecna

00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:10.329
is a real character in D &D. Yes. Vecna has an

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:13.869
undead assistant that likes bats, I think, and

00:48:13.869 --> 00:48:18.449
has a sword. And he ultimately is the one who

00:48:18.449 --> 00:48:22.840
stabs Vecna, sort of like a... uh you know the

00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.579
kingslayer from game of thrones moment and a

00:48:25.579 --> 00:48:28.179
lot of people think that eddie munson might return

00:48:28.179 --> 00:48:32.719
as this undead assistant to vecna where he's

00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.880
under his spell and so i wonder too if this information

00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.300
of like hey you can appeal to their humanity

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:43.000
in a real meaningful way max tries to do it right

00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.139
but she just lifts off facts Your name's Billy

00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:48.940
Hardgrove. You live here. Like, that sort of

00:48:48.940 --> 00:48:51.760
stuff. Right. Elle appeals to the memory, this

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.139
precious memory of Billy. And that, I think,

00:48:54.139 --> 00:48:58.219
might make some appearances in season five. Yeah,

00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.579
I could definitely see that. Keep your horses

00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:04.199
safe. It's the, I'm gonna make him an offer he

00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:10.840
can't refuse, category of best lines. We don't

00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.500
know it's your kids. Yes. We do. Is that Murray

00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:17.480
and Joyce and Hopper? Murray and Joyce. Yeah.

00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.500
Murray. We don't know that it's your kids. Yes.

00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.920
Yes. They know they're kids. They know they're

00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:30.860
involved. Great. Nice. Heartbreaking one. I'm

00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:35.440
sorry. Yeah. These last words. Yeah. Ugh. So

00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.800
sad. Harrowing. And then this one. For the sake

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.670
of your dear old dad, keep the door open. three

00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:46.889
inches just as a crying as a quick aside here

00:49:46.889 --> 00:49:49.510
i think this is my favorite millie bobby brown

00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:54.010
acting moment um i found her acting around reading

00:49:54.010 --> 00:49:59.570
this letter nuanced and um incredible i i'm emotionally

00:49:59.570 --> 00:50:02.650
affected by her acting not just david harbour's

00:50:02.650 --> 00:50:07.469
um killer line readings as the voiceover fantastic

00:50:07.469 --> 00:50:10.480
um And I think, honestly, of all the lines here,

00:50:10.539 --> 00:50:12.579
I think that's probably the best one. It's just,

00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.320
it's so... I don't know. At the end of the movie

00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.659
Order of the Phoenix, Harry has that awesome

00:50:18.659 --> 00:50:20.320
line where he's like, we've got one thing Voldemort

00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.159
doesn't. What's that, Harry? Something worth

00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.739
fighting for. And that line and this line here,

00:50:25.900 --> 00:50:28.980
for the sake of your dear old dad, keep the door

00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:32.139
open three inches, has that same sort of conclusion

00:50:32.139 --> 00:50:35.480
in this melancholy moment of, no, not everybody

00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:41.070
won, but we can move forward. Yes. Um, I, I have

00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:44.469
one for you, which is, uh, Harrison Ford, Jim

00:50:44.469 --> 00:50:48.190
Hopper coming in and I'll see you in hell before

00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.650
he, before he throws the Russian anchor into

00:50:50.650 --> 00:50:56.309
the machine. So good. That's great. So dust off

00:50:56.309 --> 00:50:59.510
that card deck and get ready to shuffle. It's

00:50:59.510 --> 00:51:03.969
our Joker category for who is the MVP of this

00:51:03.969 --> 00:51:07.340
finale. This is probably the toughest MVP for

00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:11.300
me for a number of reasons. Dustin, Jonathan,

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.280
Nancy, Steve, Billy, Joyce, Hopper, Murray, and

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.000
even Susie all very realistically contribute

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.260
to the success of closing the gate and keeping

00:51:23.260 --> 00:51:26.480
as many of them alive as possible. Erica, Will,

00:51:26.699 --> 00:51:30.880
Max. mike robin lucas and l are all kind of just

00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.039
along for the ride just except for l's redeeming

00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.679
billy moment i guess so i'll put her back into

00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:44.940
the top category but i think i have to go with

00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:49.719
joyce which seems like an odd decision but she

00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.840
does a two -man job alone figuring out how to

00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.440
turn both keys at the same time is able to get

00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.059
the gate closed successfully and sacrifices yet

00:52:01.059 --> 00:52:05.599
another person that she loves in order to do

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.219
what needs to be done. And as much as I really

00:52:09.219 --> 00:52:12.820
wanted to give it to one of our sacrificing men,

00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:18.219
or even some of the others who really help and

00:52:18.219 --> 00:52:21.340
contribute, or like Elle, who... Yeah, gets Billy

00:52:21.340 --> 00:52:24.179
to turn. Lucas, who gets the fireworks plan going.

00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:29.159
Yep. Yeah. I mean, they all have so many things,

00:52:29.260 --> 00:52:34.460
but I really feel like Joyce overall has to make

00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:38.559
the hardest decision, has to push through the

00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:44.500
most amount of fear, and really just gets it

00:52:44.500 --> 00:52:47.699
done. She does exactly everything that she needs

00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:53.869
to do. She asks Hop out. Yeah, she does. Man,

00:52:53.869 --> 00:52:58.550
all of those things. I think she wins. It's so

00:52:58.550 --> 00:53:00.829
nice to get to just a solitary episode when we

00:53:00.829 --> 00:53:03.929
do these finales because it's so captured in

00:53:03.929 --> 00:53:05.690
just one moment. So we're going to run through

00:53:05.690 --> 00:53:07.650
a couple of different things. First of all, there

00:53:07.650 --> 00:53:09.530
may be some listeners out here who at this point

00:53:09.530 --> 00:53:12.329
are having fun with our pound for pound MVP conversations.

00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:16.730
And I would like to say Susie may seem like a

00:53:16.730 --> 00:53:20.070
pound for pound MVP candidate, but most of her

00:53:20.070 --> 00:53:24.699
screen time is actively. not contributing and

00:53:24.699 --> 00:53:29.260
delaying the process so that she makes Dustin

00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:34.480
sing and almost gets everybody killed. So I would

00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.880
say, pound for pound, she's the LVP. Yes, I would

00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.420
also agree. Although Mike would be close. Physics.

00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:49.940
Physics. Oh, gosh. Hopper has, I think, has a...

00:53:50.409 --> 00:53:53.889
has a chance here in this race a you know he

00:53:53.889 --> 00:53:55.889
he's really the driving force behind getting

00:53:55.889 --> 00:53:58.170
the gate closed up until joyce gets in the room

00:53:58.170 --> 00:54:04.170
um he improvising gets in the uniforms he's communicating

00:54:04.170 --> 00:54:07.349
constantly with dustin he takes out russian ager

00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:11.230
and then he's willing to sacrifice himself he

00:54:11.230 --> 00:54:15.449
gives permission to joyce to do that yeah and

00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:20.199
then he has the emotional like He does a lot

00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:22.599
of emotional lifting with his letter and the

00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:26.519
voiceover in terms of like, like helping the

00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.840
episode really nail their ending. So he's really

00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.920
close. Billy, you know, he's been our, I would

00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.300
say just our, our host favorite for this entire

00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:39.920
season. he has that incredible moment in the

00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.539
car he has the awesome moments of like running

00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.639
in there and knocking them out and getting l

00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.119
and being completely like covered in completely

00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.380
it looks like all of his blood vessels are black

00:54:50.380 --> 00:54:53.420
at one point he's got this awesome makeup his

00:54:53.420 --> 00:54:58.559
acting's fantastic he's super spooky like it's

00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.500
just so good in so many different ways shapes

00:55:00.500 --> 00:55:05.090
or forms and like He sacrifices himself and saves

00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:07.670
Elle. So the only reason why people have a shot

00:55:07.670 --> 00:55:10.389
at taking out Vecna is because he stands in the

00:55:10.389 --> 00:55:15.210
way. Right. But also, like, I sense season one

00:55:15.210 --> 00:55:19.309
is wild because I don't remember now, actually.

00:55:19.429 --> 00:55:23.969
We should keep track of this. Who won MVP. But,

00:55:24.050 --> 00:55:27.090
like, I've been kind of, like, a little, like,

00:55:27.190 --> 00:55:28.650
we should have figured out a way to give Joyce

00:55:28.650 --> 00:55:31.889
the MVP in season one at some point. mm -hmm

00:55:31.889 --> 00:55:33.750
because she's and maybe we did for the first

00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:37.150
episode because she her acting especially in

00:55:37.150 --> 00:55:39.329
that like cold fall weather and the way that

00:55:39.329 --> 00:55:42.590
we're doing spookiness her acting at the beginning

00:55:42.590 --> 00:55:44.929
of that show really helps sell a lot of the horror

00:55:44.929 --> 00:55:47.969
elements and the like conspiracy elements and

00:55:47.969 --> 00:55:50.329
i've always been like oh man like we need to

00:55:50.329 --> 00:55:53.289
get we need to get joyce a win and i think you're

00:55:53.289 --> 00:55:56.150
right i know i think the two -man person willing

00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:59.579
to sacrifice closing the gate kind of seals it

00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:01.659
but it's a hard one this is definitely the hardest

00:56:01.659 --> 00:56:04.840
mvp conversation oh yeah definitely i'd like

00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.360
to look at the advanced metrics on like true

00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:12.429
shooting percentage and stuff like that I had

00:56:12.429 --> 00:56:16.630
to know before we moved on if we actually had

00:56:16.630 --> 00:56:19.650
given her an MVP. We did not. In fact, there

00:56:19.650 --> 00:56:22.670
was a specific moment in episode one where we

00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:25.230
said, sorry, Joyce, it's not your time yet. All

00:56:25.230 --> 00:56:30.969
you've done is yell and ax a wall. Excellent.

00:56:31.710 --> 00:56:34.489
Good, good, good, good. I'm glad. Super happy

00:56:34.489 --> 00:56:39.030
about that. Clean your evil air and get ready

00:56:39.030 --> 00:56:44.280
for our... the turkey all along category four

00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.739
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave

00:56:48.739 --> 00:56:53.039
with in preparation for season five yeah we've

00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.980
said it and it remains to be so l's powers are

00:56:56.980 --> 00:57:00.579
not constant apparently even as a battery that

00:57:00.579 --> 00:57:03.900
needs charging eventually she can become a dead

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:08.170
battery we think question yeah We think. Question.

00:57:08.269 --> 00:57:10.949
Keep all of that in mind. That entire conversation

00:57:10.949 --> 00:57:15.449
around Elle's dead battery fix with memory cure,

00:57:15.610 --> 00:57:18.730
question mark? We will explore more in season

00:57:18.730 --> 00:57:24.570
four. Today's public service announcement. Demogorgons

00:57:24.570 --> 00:57:27.789
don't make good pets. Talking to you, Ruskies.

00:57:28.030 --> 00:57:30.570
Thank you, listener schmissners, for listening

00:57:30.570 --> 00:57:33.719
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00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.840
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00:57:58.429 --> 00:58:01.050
Don't forget to tip your self -sacrificing men.

00:58:01.329 --> 00:58:35.679
And fare thee well. Before I read this, I just

00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:40.159
really like that juxtaposition so much. The kiddos

00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.760
push a car to get over an addiction cable and

00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:44.579
then battle against the most horrifying monster

00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:53.000
anyone's ever seen. Yep. This super simple thing

00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:58.460
that takes so long. And then, oh my god. I, um,

00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:02.900
I... I was reminded when I wrote that line, I

00:59:02.900 --> 00:59:05.260
was reminded of, um, uh, what's it called? The

00:59:05.260 --> 00:59:07.639
fairy Potter musical when they're doing the dragons

00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.199
and it's like, Oh, the cute snowball dragon,

00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.780
the twig dragon. And then he's like the Hungarian

00:59:13.780 --> 00:59:15.780
horned fire tail, the most terrifying monster

00:59:15.780 --> 00:59:18.159
anybody's ever seen. That's, that's how I wrote

00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:23.119
that line. The mind flare is huge and deadly

00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.739
and it's disgusting and looking for L Lucas.

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.139
The grossness itself. Grossness, right? That's

00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:39.159
what we called it. Okay. What did I say last

00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.780
episode? It's like, the mind flayer is gross

00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:48.920
and it's coming for you. God, we're never going

00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:52.079
to get through this episode. Who's ever editing

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.920
this is like, dear God. We haven't even gotten

00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.489
past the first page. They're still on the story

01:00:00.489 --> 01:00:05.610
recap? It's just the ending of that D &D session

01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:11.210
really tickled me. Yes. Find the Energizer Bunny

01:00:11.210 --> 01:00:13.889
Man. He'll know everything we need to know about

01:00:13.889 --> 01:00:20.489
technology. Yes, the giant pink bunny wearing

01:00:20.489 --> 01:00:25.389
sunglasses and beating a drum is very much...

01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:32.460
Exactly who we need. Okay, Sam, time to get the

01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:36.000
wiggles out. Actually, that is weirdly helpful.

01:00:36.619 --> 01:00:40.059
Okay. I legitimately have to do that with Kenzie

01:00:40.059 --> 01:00:41.960
sometimes. Yeah, sure. When I'm trying to get

01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:43.480
her to pay attention to me and she's like in

01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.920
all different directions, I'll be like, okay,

01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:46.679
Kenzie. We've already gotten to the stage of

01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.280
Sierra using toddler tricks to get me to pay.

01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:52.300
I thought we'd at least get to the second season

01:00:52.300 --> 01:00:56.199
before that needed to occur. That's what we get

01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.900
for recording every episode at like almost midnight.

01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:02.860
I know. Alright, here we go. You said cute entry.

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.800
Yeah, and then the entry was done and we went

01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:10.340
for another beat of eight. But it was still...

01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:12.519
You're like a triangle player thinking that they

01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:21.619
can do a solo in a jazz song. Blow. Who fights

01:01:21.619 --> 01:01:25.820
Arnold Ruschenegger and wins? With another Harrison

01:01:25.820 --> 01:01:29.900
Ford reference. I don't know why it took us so

01:01:29.900 --> 01:01:32.400
long to call him Russian Egger. It's such a good

01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:36.800
name. I've been, you know, I had, like, Arnold

01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.179
Russian Terminator Motorcycle Man. Like, there

01:01:40.179 --> 01:01:42.039
was a bunch of iterations, and I really should

01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:43.619
have just workshopped it a little bit more, because

01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:47.039
Arnold Russian Egger is perfect. It's perfect.

01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:53.320
It also sounds like a drink. Arnold Russian Egger.

01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.260
I don't know why it reminds me of Gatorade. It's

01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:00.880
an Arnold Palmer, but instead of lemonade, it's

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:05.320
just vodka. I feel like there needed to be some

01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:10.300
sort of sting. Music sting right there. Demogorgon.

01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:21.960
No, it's got to be super happy. Because I'm happy.

01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.940
No, don't put that in there. No copyright. Don't

01:02:25.940 --> 01:02:29.139
sue us. It's parody. Don't sue us. Because we're

01:02:29.139 --> 01:02:32.760
not happy. It's a demogorgon going to eat our

01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.639
little guts. This is parody. I said it in the

01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.860
thing. So you can't sue us. Because we're not

01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:44.300
happy. There's a demogorgon. It's really muscular.

01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.460
Not anymore. Because it's been starred by the

01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:50.719
Russian niggers. He's still alive. That's a total

01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:54.659
lie. Okay, here we go. Shout out to Emma for

01:02:54.659 --> 01:02:57.159
only knowing Livin' La Vida Loca from Shrek 2.

01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.099
You do not have to put that in the episode, but

01:02:59.099 --> 01:03:01.539
I had a friend who was like, I was like, you

01:03:01.539 --> 01:03:03.159
know Ricky Martin, he did Livin' La Vida Loca,

01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.639
and she's like almost ten years younger than

01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.000
us. And she was like, oh yeah, from Shrek 2!

01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:14.460
And I was like, oh my god, what? It's wild. I

01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:16.599
know, it was crazy. Shout out to Emma.