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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sam Williams. And I'm Sierra Obermark. In today's

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episode, we will be weekly wallowing about Stranger

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Things, Season 2, Episodes 5 through 8. And without

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further ado, we will, as Roger Smith says, dive

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on in. So get up to 88, because it's time to

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travel back to our story recap. Episode five,

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things are happening. Hopper is trapped in the

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devious vines of the Upside Down. Will can see

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him in the now memories. And who is that to the

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rescue? It's Bob the Brain. Bob, Bob as we call

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him, realizes that all of Will's drawings create

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a map of Hawkins. And it's Will, Mike, Joyce,

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and Bob on the way. to find Hopper. Meanwhile,

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Dustin is in a panic, trying to hide Dart and

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his late -night snack. R .I .P. Musa! Cue the

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overmark. Dun -dun -dun! From his mother. Code

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red! But only Lucas's annoying little sister

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is there to hear him, since Lucas is telling

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the entire story of last year and last season

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to Max, who, understandably, does not believe

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him. Lucas' convictions lead her to question

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if what he says is real as she speeds away from

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the arcade in her jerk racist nut brother's car.

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Nancy and Jonathan have arrived at their contact's

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home, ready to blow this whole thing wide open.

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Oh, and look who it is. Murray! They tell him

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everything, but Murray spots something the kids

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don't. No, regular person in their right mind

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is going to want to believe this insanity. So,

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they concoct some vodka sadas and a plan to water

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down the story just enough that a layman would

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hold those responsible for Barbara's death, well,

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responsible. Where is Eleven, aka Jane, during

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all this time? She has tracked down her mother

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and realizes that Terry is trying to communicate.

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Breathe. That means going into labor. Sunflower!

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It's on the side of the hospital bed. Three to

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the right. Four to the left. Unlocking a safe

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where the gun sits. Rainbow. It's painted on

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the side of the door where their kids are being

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kept. 4 .50. The level the electric shock was

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turned up to. Wow. Papa is a bad, bad man. Rescue

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mission is successful. As Joyce and Bob drop

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down into the vines and follow Hoop's trail.

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Freeing him. Just as the lab people in coats

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arrive. Cue. We can't afford it. Indiana Jones

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reference as Hoop snatches his hoot. AKA Hopper

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gets his hat back. The lab people start to burn

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the vines and cause Will to seize and scream

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with pain. Episode six. Screaming. All the screaming.

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Hopper is being decontaminated and Will is burning

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from the inside. Dustin and Steve have teamed

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up in an excellent buddy comedy to deal with

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Dart, who has shed and burrowed out of the basement.

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More screams! Joyce calls out doctors for incompetence,

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and Murray calls out Nancy and Jonathan for avoiding

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their feelings for each other. Lucas is meeting

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up with Dustin and Steve, who are of course discussing

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girls, to go find baby Demogorgon, but he grabs

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Max along the way. The psych shows Hopper the

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spreading darkness, and Bob marvels at his new

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title, Bob Newby Superhero. Bob. Bob. We learn

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that Will is infected by a virus, one that is

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communicating through the hosts. But more importantly,

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we learn that the key to Steve's hair is ferrofaucet

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spray. What? Hopper lays his heart out over the

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radio, but Elle isn't around to hear it. Syke,

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aka Sam, turns out to not be the worst, planning

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to keep Will safe instead of killing him through

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the burn. Will shows the lab soldiers where the

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shadow monster doesn't want anyone to look, while

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Steve and company set a trap for Dart in the

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old junkyard. Steve baits Dart with himself,

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but oh no, clever girl, there are two Demogorgons

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now. Just when they have Steve and the kids cornered,

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they are called away to the graveyard where Hop

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was found. The fog rolls in on the soldiers,

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the screeches from the Demogorgons echoing, but

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then the haunting words of Will. I'm sorry. He

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made me do it. I told you. They upset him. They

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shouldn't have done that. They shouldn't have

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upset him. It's too late. You should go now.

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They're almost here. But never fear. We pick

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up immediately back with Will and Donut all splash

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up to Chicago, where - Nope. Maybe one of the

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most criticized parts of Stranger Things occur,

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which is episode seven of season two. Wonder

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what Eleven was up to the whole last episode?

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Not really. Well, here we go! Jane is at her

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mother's house and tells her aunt all about what

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she saw, concluding that her mom is telling her

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to find the other girl from the rainbow room.

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Good thing the aunt kept all her sister's files,

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including a whole folder of missing kids that

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Terry had suspected were like Jane. There she

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is, the girl, and it's not contrived at all.

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Now, if you have forgotten, we saw this girl

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back at the beginning of episode one. Callie,

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aka Eight, Eleven, aka Janie, tries to find her

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using the abnormal methods, but is unable. She

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falls asleep and instead dreams of where to find

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her. She wakes to hear her aunt on the phone

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talking to Hop's assistant and learns that Hop

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and Joyce were here. I told you that she would

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be mad. I told you. You did. You did tell me.

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I didn't listen. Stealing her aunt's money, she

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makes her way to Chi -town and finds Callie,

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who is part of a sort of Joker misfit street

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gang, who kill those who cause their misfortune

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in life. Turns out, Elle did hear Hop's message,

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but this does nothing to help with what comes

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next. Callie starts to train Eleven to harness

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her anger in order to tap into the greater part

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of her power. Good, Eleven. Good. Eleven moves

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a whole dang train by tapping into all the worst

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things that happened to her. Sorry, Mike and

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Hop, you made the list. Now, to the rest of the

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bad men. After getting a makeover reminiscent

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of Manson. maybe a little more Marilyn than Charles,

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the crew heads to the home of a man who electrocuted

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Terry. Unfortunately, during the break -in, they

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discover he has two girls, and Eleven decides

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to show mercy and forces Callie to do the same,

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throwing her gun out the window as the coppers

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arrive. A revelation, though. Papa, Dr. Brenner,

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that is, isn't dead, as we previously thought.

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Back at the hideout, Callie gives Jane a choice

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to go back to Hop or stay and fight. Memories

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flood Elle of Hop and Mike and all she's left

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behind. She sees the trap Will and the shadow

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monster laid for the soldiers, but just then,

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the cops find them. Callie uses her powers to

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help them get away, but Eleven wants to save

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her people. Callie and Jane are crushed by this

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choice, but Jane... knows what she has to do.

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Go home. Episode 8. The Demogorgons have arrived.

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The lab is under attack and the group puts Will

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out. Knocks him out. He's out. Mike, having noticed

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that as the spy, if Will knows where they are,

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then so does the Shadow Monster. Good job, Mike.

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Bob, Joyce, Hop, Will, and Mike are trapped in

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the lab. OMG, Max and Billy actually have parents!

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Really horrible ones. Billy's dad is a real piece

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of work, and it's easier to see why Billy is

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the way he is. It's not excusable, but ew. Steve

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and Co. realize that Dart is headed back to the

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lab, where Bob has turned full superhero. He

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is headed to the basement to reset the breakers

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of the lab so everyone else can get out. Nancy

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and Jonathan arrive just in time to meet up with

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Steve and the kids. Everyone is now so close

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and yet so far in classic penultimate episode

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fashion. Sam guides Bob through the building

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in one of the most anxiety -laden scenes in the

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show. It is very reminiscent of Jurassic Park

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trying to escape the velociraptors. Cue me yelling

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at my TV, Don't you dare kill Bob! How dare they!

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They kill Bob. This is why we can't have nice

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things. Cue the Obermark! Dun -dun -dun! R .I

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.P. Bob. Bob. Back at Joyce's, everyone mourns

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Bob, and Mike rallies everyone to help Bob not

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to have died in vain. They will find the shadow

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monster, Mind Flayer, whatever we are calling

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it now, and kill it, thereby killing everything

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it controls through the hive mind. Only problem,

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the only way to do this is by talking to Will,

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who is still being controlled by said Mind Flayer.

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Luckily, Will knows Morse code and taps his hand

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while the Mind Flayer is distracted by the rest.

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They get the message, close gate. But then, the

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phone rings and they have been found! Demo dogs

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closing in, they prepare for a fight. Suddenly,

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a Demo dog screams, flies through the window,

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dead. How? Elle enters in all of her BA glory.

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Mike and Elle lock teary eyes. Ugh, cue my asphyxiation

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with how much I hate Mike. Great, kid, you got

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your girlfriend back. He has some good moments.

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He does. He actually does. We'll talk about him,

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I promise. Ugh. Find your donut holes. It's time

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for our Knives Out category, where we sleuth

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out which three storylines are the most vital

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to pay attention to. Number one, The Dart. storyline

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number two nancy and jonathan number three will

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and mike the dart storyline okay uh first of

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all muse poor muse and also stupid stupid dustin

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we do not blame dart we don't blame dart but

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we do blame dustin who lies through his teeth

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To get his mom both away from Dart and also to

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get out of there so that he can completely work

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with Dart the dog. He now sees that Dart is like

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actually demo something, but he can't reach the

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gang for help. And so is that Steve's bat soundtrack

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I'm hearing? Because Dustin and Steve in what

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is absolutely my favorite pairing in the entire

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series. finally comes to life uh yes steve fascinatingly

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doesn't really buy into the whole what dart is

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until dustin's like hey he ate my cat and then

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steve's like okay and then we get classic steve

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in his jacket plus his bat and nails and and

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those little yellow Rubber gloves, and I have

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a pop of him just like that, and it's amazing.

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Dart, we find out, has molted again, and dug

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a tunnel out of Lucas' bunker. Dustin finally

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gets Max and Lucas to join him, but not before

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Steve and Dustin dispense a ton of meat with

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their yellow kitchen gloves, and Dustin gets

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much sage advice from Steve on romance. Fabergé

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organic shampoo and conditioner, plus, as we

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said, a TheraFacet hairspray. Not when it's dry.

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Not when it's wet. When it's damp. When it's

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damp. When it's damp. Max, Lucas, Steve, and

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Dustin set a trap in the old vehicle scrap hill

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yard thingy. Don't know why it's at the top of

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a hill. Seems ludicrous. Max's disbelief is dissuaded.

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And Steve takes one demagogue. Two demagogues.

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No, wait, that's three. And shoot, that is a

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lot. So, mid -fight. With these demidogs, they

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all run. And as Steve says, they're going somewhere.

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And much to Max's grin, they follow them to Hawkins

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Lab. What is important about this storyline,

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Sierra? So I think the first thing that's important

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is Dustin and Steve. Yeah. Dustin has been kind

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of ditched by all the rest of his friends throughout

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this season. And so he really needs someone to

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rely on and to be there for him. And so I think

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that that's a really key thing here. And I so

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I think that that's kind of the main. Yeah. It

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also brings in just the development of the darts

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into Demodogs, into Demogorgon. Yeah. And that

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everything is connected no matter how far away

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they are. They can all still be called and drawn

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by the Mind Flayer. Yeah. So I think that those

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are kind of the most important factors. Elements,

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yeah. Plus this junkyard, which... Will come

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back up. It's a great... Has been there, will

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be there. Will be there. He's always a part of

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the seasons. It's interesting here, because we

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get a little bit of fandom information in terms

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of, like, the Pokemon evolutions of Demo -whatsits.

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Because, you know, little tiny Toad turns into

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a little bigger Toad, turns into a dog, rat thing.

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Then it's a full dog, and then we never get to

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see them turn fully into bears, which I suppose

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is a good thing, because... boy, was just one

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hard to kill. Yes. And also, Steve and Dustin's

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relationship, I feel like, is one of the main

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charm points of the season. It keeps everything

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light and frothy in what is normally kind of

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a very bitter coffee or very bitter tea. And

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this is sort of the whipped milk that you get

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to pour in to help. make everything a little

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bit more swallowable, which is not a word, but

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is something that I've said. So it sounds like

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a word. And also this is here and I approve this.

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But also I get to blame Mike for another thing.

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So Lucas, I excuse for not being in contact because

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he's actually taking it upon himself to include

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somebody that is. acted awesome been interested

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and shown herself very smart he's in the midst

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of getting max involved because you know what

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she is involved and it's not fair of them to

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keep her out of the party just because mike's

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being a little gremlin about this whole thing

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mike but then also it's not will's fault because

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he took bob's advice and sucked in a monster

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into his soul so he's excused as well so of all

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the friends that are to blame the only one left

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is mike who's just like standing by will and

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being like i have perfect idea after perfect

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idea and that's the only thing that i ever do

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and i just talk and i get mad and i get pissy

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and so mike's the one who doesn't think about

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even contacting dustin because he kind of hates

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dustin and lucas because of max so it's mike's

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bitterness that we get steve And Dustin, which

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is a good thing, but I still blame him. I don't

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give him credit. I just blame him. Blame him

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for the circumstances that led to this great

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circumstance. Great circumstances. It's great.

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Anyways, I think that's I think we covered everything

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on that storyline. So then we've got Nancy and

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Jonathan storyline. Yes. Single or double sharing

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a room, are we? They bond over the world, maybe

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almost ending, and having a scar from the stupid

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hand cutting in season one. Seriously, why do

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we insist on cutting the palm? I hate it. I hate

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it. I hate it. Interestingly, Nancy asks Jonathan,

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what happened to us? Because she thinks that

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Jonathan kind of disappeared on her. Okay. Wild.

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You were with Steve? Sure. I mean. What does

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she even mean when she says, I waited? And he's

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like, yeah, only for like a month. She waited?

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Like. Waited for what? Waited for what? To kiss

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Steve again? To go to third base with Steve again?

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To go even farther with Steve again? Like, it's

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not like they waited for marriage. No, it weirdly

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like almost made me. think that like they were

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alluding to some past like before before before

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like that we didn't even see like something at

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the beginning of high school or something that

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they'd like maybe tried to date and then she

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got a little bit more popular or something or

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but she's not really but she's at least more

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popular i my belief on that is that they're they

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are alluding to something that got cut from the

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show like a scene that a previous thing that

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had already gotten cut from the show whether

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it was season one or season two and probably

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season two or else they wouldn't have written

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this line but in fact it makes no sense for it

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to have been in season one so sorry listeners

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uh so but that ending is so powerful of her then

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turning over and saying i want the lights off

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that they couldn't really cut that section and

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it kind of still makes sense even though you're

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you and i are like i'm immediately taken out

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of that scene by that line yeah but i love that

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scene still yeah it's so great then we get to

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murray He's such a fun character. He thinks he's

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trying to solve this mystery. He's really giving

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it a good effort. However, Nancy and Jonathan

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hop in there going, you have some things that

00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.660
you're missing. Your timeline's wrong. Here,

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we'll just tell you the entire story. So Murray

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believes the entire story. Good on him for immediately

00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.650
jumping on board with the lunacy. To be fair,

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he wasn't that far off to begin with. He does

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believe that they need to water down the story

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for the general public, which is fair. He then

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gets Jonathan and Nancy drunk slash drinking,

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which totally in no way plays a part of the night's

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events. That's fine. After the night's events,

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they return to the buyer's house to find it filled

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with the vine drawings. Jonathan finds a Polaroid

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cartridge, which he doesn't shoot and realizes

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that someone else has already been to the house

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and has taken photos of all the drawings. That

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wasn't him or his family. And then they go to

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Hawkins Lab. They go where they meet up with

00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.099
Steve, his bat, Dustin, Max, Lucas, and woeful

00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:09.380
optimism. Yes. Yes. So what are we finding important

00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:15.759
about this storyline? I just said. That the Steve

00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.480
and Dustin part are where the charm is. And with

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Murray, it's where the comedy is. Because it's

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- It really is. He's so funny. I mean, just from

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the opening of where he identifies them via the

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camera. And then he's like - Up. He's like -

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Up on your right. Up on your right. No, don't

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look at that. That's a, like, whatever, fire

00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:41.900
monitor. Look at the actual camera, you idiots.

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I love it. And then he's in there and he's like,

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alright, come on in and I'm gonna figure out

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what happened to your friend Babs Barb. Sorry,

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I can't even remember her name. R .I .P. Barb.

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And then they're like, they hold my beer him.

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Nancy's just like, oh, hold this. I'm gonna show

00:21:03.539 --> 00:21:08.490
you what's really up. Which I just... Loved.

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But I think also, too, that they bring a little

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bit more of the real life into the situation.

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Hopper did a lot of that in season one. And now

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we've got Nancy and Jonathan sort of actually

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doing the, like, okay, this is getting sent out

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to the Chicago Sun, to the Chicago Tribune, to

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all of these other major newspapers and stuff.

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And I find that really, really good and interesting.

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And, of course, then they hook up with everybody

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else. But we also get major romance. There's

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no Elle and Mike. No, well, we have some tension

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between Hopper and Joyce, but it's mainly romance

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established from Bob and Joyce. And now we've

00:21:46.509 --> 00:21:50.289
got this wonderful tension of Jonathan, Nancy,

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and the pullout. I agree. I think they bring

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this kind of trio or duo, bring the romance and

00:22:02.930 --> 00:22:07.519
the comedy to the situation. And also, I think

00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.519
from a story standpoint, the importance is being

00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.779
that they're going to expose Hawkins Lab in whatever

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way that they can. Because general public is

00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.180
not going to believe this story. This is absolute

00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:24.559
lunacy. And if you don't see it with your own

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eyes, you're never going to believe it. And so

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it's just going to get written off. And that's,

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I'm sure, how... Hawkins Lab and other places

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like it have been able to get away with so many

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things is it's all just written off as crazy

00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:40.759
talk. And so they're going to put it in a way

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that everybody will believe because they're acting

00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.880
on pre -existing fears and whatnot. So I think

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it's also a lot of the kind of high level intelligence

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comes out in these characters because They're

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really thinking and have time to think and plan

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and formulate. Whereas so many of the other storylines

00:23:06.460 --> 00:23:09.220
are just acting on impulse. Yeah. That's such

00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:14.200
a phenomenal point. Absolutely. So true. And

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speaking of acting on impulse, we have the Will

00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:21.079
and Mike of it all. Which you would think Will

00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:22.880
would have more willpower. And that's a terrible

00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:28.019
pun, but it's also very true. So thanks to Mike.

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Mike's like, spying. That's a good thing to do.

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Do that, Will. All right, thanks, Mike. Great.

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Awesome. So Mike's got this idea that because

00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:41.099
the monster is inside Will, that they're going

00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:44.880
to be able to use Will as a spy to inside the

00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:49.480
Mind Flayer, which is true and also immediately

00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.680
pays off because that's the only way that they

00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.529
save Hopper. Since Will can see into the vines.

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Which, as we've noted, there's Indiana Jones

00:23:59.049 --> 00:24:01.430
references, and then there's this Indiana Jones

00:24:01.430 --> 00:24:03.869
reference, which is Hopper is just straight up

00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:07.630
dressed like him. Yes, exactly. Torch and all.

00:24:07.849 --> 00:24:10.829
Torch and all. But in order to find Hopper, they

00:24:10.829 --> 00:24:14.269
need Bob the Brain, who is really, really, really

00:24:14.269 --> 00:24:16.369
good at solving things. And he gets them to the

00:24:16.369 --> 00:24:19.849
upside down vine hole thing where Hopper is encased

00:24:19.849 --> 00:24:23.539
in plant matter. But when the plants are burned,

00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:28.299
the Will goes crazy. Well, Will goes to the hospital,

00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.119
and it's not great, and neither is Hopper. The

00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.720
Upside Down has been growing into Hawkins, creating

00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.000
a labyrinth of tunnels, right? And also, they

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.559
managed to poison Hopper, who now needs to get,

00:24:39.619 --> 00:24:42.799
like, sort of nuclear scrubbed, like when you

00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.339
have too much radiation kind of thing. So there's

00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:48.880
these labyrinth of tunnels, and they'd like to

00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.019
burn at those scientists, but that might kill

00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:53.980
Will. And then no one is really sure what to

00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:56.940
do after Will wakes up and becomes, as I call

00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:01.980
him, Creepy Will. So Creepy Will wakes up in

00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:04.160
the hospital remembering very little, which will

00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:08.400
always be effective for me. Yes. Oh my gosh.

00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:10.859
He's infected with a virus, according to Dr.

00:25:11.019 --> 00:25:13.339
Sam, and if you burn any of the Upside Down,

00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:16.859
it burns Will. The white -cloaked men think it

00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:19.519
might be time to just kill Will with the burn.

00:25:19.779 --> 00:25:22.960
But as they deliberate, Will thinks he knows

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.319
how to destroy the Mind Flayer. But you see,

00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:28.480
the Mind Flayer uses Will to lure the burners

00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.000
to Hopper's graveyard, and then to have all the

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.079
Demodogs eat the burners, and then come for the

00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.180
rest of them in Hawkins' lab. Is this the best

00:25:38.180 --> 00:25:40.380
sequence the show has to offer? Okay, number

00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:44.059
one, everyone is dead. The lab is overrun. What

00:25:44.059 --> 00:25:45.779
wouldn't I love to play this as a video game,

00:25:45.859 --> 00:25:49.299
first of all? And then the entire lab is on lockdown

00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:52.220
because the power goes off. Dr. Sam knows the

00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:55.059
process of how to get out, but only Bob knows

00:25:55.059 --> 00:25:58.079
the computer language basic, and so he can program

00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.500
the computers to get them out. Bob sneaks through

00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:04.079
the halls, opens the exit, and leaves his gun

00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.440
behind. Dr. Sam then stays behind and guides

00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.630
Bob through a rather crowded hall of... Demo

00:26:10.630 --> 00:26:14.309
dogs. In an excruciatingly slow and painstaking

00:26:14.309 --> 00:26:18.990
series of events, Bob runs for it and makes it.

00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:24.529
We think. And even when Bob is attacked, we think

00:26:24.529 --> 00:26:27.589
Hopper might have a chance to save him. R .I

00:26:27.589 --> 00:26:31.349
.P. Bob. Again, cue the overmark. The sad overmark.

00:26:31.529 --> 00:26:38.970
And then everyone gets together. And with the

00:26:38.970 --> 00:26:41.950
Mind Flayer analogy, we now have a means of moving

00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:45.230
towards an endgame. They throw Will in his shed,

00:26:45.390 --> 00:26:49.670
disguise it -ish, tie Will up, and question him.

00:26:50.029 --> 00:26:53.430
Hopper realizes it's Morse code that Will is

00:26:53.430 --> 00:26:57.349
using, and he tells them to close the gate. But

00:26:57.349 --> 00:27:01.150
the phone rings. Will recognizes the ring. And

00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:04.970
here come the Demodogs. But wait, is that now

00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:11.519
L's 80s? Punk soundtrack I'm hearing. Okay, so

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.900
before everyone gets together, what do you think

00:27:13.900 --> 00:27:16.480
is the huge, important deal with this storyline?

00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:20.759
I think before everyone gets together, the biggest

00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:25.460
deal is Creepy Will. Yeah. Essentially. Right.

00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:30.579
Just him as an entity. Because we see what the

00:27:30.579 --> 00:27:33.940
Mind Flayer can do when it affects, infects all

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:36.420
of those things. One specific person. Yeah. Which

00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:41.619
comes into major play season three and – major

00:27:41.619 --> 00:27:43.980
play season three and potentially later on as

00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:49.640
well. So we see how the mind flayer essentially

00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:54.559
can take over a person and then that person is

00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.099
almost trapped inside. Yeah. Which is pretty

00:27:57.099 --> 00:28:01.740
crazy. And then also because of that, we have

00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.779
– The trickery of the mind player. So you have

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:07.759
this intelligence that's going on. So it's not

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.539
just something that's vines growing and feeding

00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:14.720
and demo dogs that are just running around and

00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.220
doing their. Yeah, exactly. It's not a mindless

00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:21.579
growing. It has a plan. It has feelings. It has

00:28:21.579 --> 00:28:24.700
emotions. It has communication skills. It has

00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:28.569
communication. Yeah. And it's very much. A lot

00:28:28.569 --> 00:28:31.009
closer to human than we ever thought before.

00:28:31.210 --> 00:28:34.670
So fascinating. And such huge implications for

00:28:34.670 --> 00:28:36.789
season five. I know, we know Vecna is an actual

00:28:36.789 --> 00:28:39.430
human, but we, we still don't know a lot about

00:28:39.430 --> 00:28:42.769
the mind flare because in that last scene in

00:28:42.769 --> 00:28:44.509
season four, which we'll talk about a lot, there's

00:28:44.509 --> 00:28:47.529
that like, oh, does Vecna just like use the mind

00:28:47.529 --> 00:28:50.710
flare? Is it just a tool or is it its own? Is

00:28:50.710 --> 00:28:53.609
it its own intelligence? And I think this creepy

00:28:53.609 --> 00:28:57.230
will means it's, it's its own intelligence. So,

00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:01.859
Will being this creepy and also being inside

00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:05.380
is really interesting to me. Next episode, we're

00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:07.500
going to talk about Dart and Dustin a little

00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:09.420
bit more. And I'll have more to say in terms

00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.059
of what implications that means for the rest

00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:14.660
of the creatures in terms of are they infected

00:29:14.660 --> 00:29:18.259
or are they actual literal children or creations

00:29:18.259 --> 00:29:21.220
of the Mindhive? But we'll see. We'll see. It

00:29:21.220 --> 00:29:23.380
was really cool to see Will still in there, but

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:25.799
that the Mind Flayer can kind of take him over

00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.720
whenever he wants. Yeah, I think that's really

00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.519
interesting. I also think the other main part

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.720
is that this is where all the stakes are really

00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.779
high for a long time in this episode series.

00:29:37.579 --> 00:29:42.180
And that's really good. That sequence of being

00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:47.359
inside Hawkins' lab is ridiculously good. It

00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:53.960
is. As I kind of said in my story recap. It is

00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.519
one of the most anxiety inducing, even though

00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.519
you know exactly what happens after a rewatch.

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:05.579
Yeah. Rewatching it. I was still so high anxiety,

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:09.440
anxious, watching every moment. How many steps

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.920
can he take? Can he make it into the room? Is

00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:13.920
the demo dog going to find him? Is it going to

00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.339
break down the door? Oh no, he left the gun behind.

00:30:16.579 --> 00:30:21.359
All of those moments just really get you right

00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.609
in the gut. as you're as you're watching and

00:30:24.609 --> 00:30:28.630
those stakes are so so high because if bob doesn't

00:30:28.630 --> 00:30:31.230
make it down there none of them get out if he

00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:34.150
doesn't make it back up that has implications

00:30:34.150 --> 00:30:37.069
for the rest of the people and who he's interacted

00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:42.329
with uh i have dr sam staying behind i know so

00:30:42.329 --> 00:30:47.420
kind and so good I have this marked down as my

00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:50.460
best sequence of the show thus far. Better than

00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:52.119
anything that we got in season one. What are

00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.240
your thoughts about that? I think I'd agree.

00:30:54.500 --> 00:30:56.799
I can't think of a full sequence. I can think

00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.380
of maybe some small moments or iconic character

00:31:00.380 --> 00:31:04.839
lines or imagery that I would maybe put higher.

00:31:05.059 --> 00:31:07.839
But in terms of an actual full sequence or full

00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:13.380
scene, I think that this is the best one. When

00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:16.759
I hadn't seen, when I hadn't started rewatching,

00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.279
this sequence is what I always think of when

00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.420
I think of Stranger Things. Oh, me too. So this

00:31:22.420 --> 00:31:25.599
and then some, a couple of sequences later on

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.720
in the show, but this is definitely in the top

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:33.519
three of things that I picture. The finale sequence

00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.059
of season one where you've got the mix of Hopper

00:31:38.059 --> 00:31:42.089
and his kid. dying with will is really a really

00:31:42.089 --> 00:31:46.829
good sequence that is right emotional but i i

00:31:46.829 --> 00:31:51.049
think because the stakes are so high for so many

00:31:51.049 --> 00:31:53.730
characters and we've only grown to love them

00:31:53.730 --> 00:31:55.809
even more with an additional season i think this

00:31:55.809 --> 00:32:00.210
one it's just so tight too there's it's man it's

00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:03.710
just so good and then when everybody gets together

00:32:03.710 --> 00:32:07.269
what do you think is the big I think it's the

00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:10.670
same thing, right? It's the mind flare and Will

00:32:10.670 --> 00:32:14.049
still being alive inside. Right. With the Morse

00:32:14.049 --> 00:32:18.130
code. I think it's mainly that. And also, we

00:32:18.130 --> 00:32:22.470
get another moment of them all working together

00:32:22.470 --> 00:32:26.460
for a common goal. Yeah. Which... Again, in kind

00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:30.079
of penultimate episode fashion, we get that moment

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.579
in last season. We get it when they all come

00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:38.660
together to make the salt bath for L to go into

00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:43.200
and they're all in the gym. And then here they're

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.140
all in the shed and they're all trying to get

00:32:46.140 --> 00:32:50.500
one specific thing accomplished. So I think that

00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:54.509
from a character development standpoint. That

00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:57.190
is the key part of when they all come together.

00:32:57.269 --> 00:32:59.450
It's that not only are they all physically in

00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:01.450
the same place, but they're also all working

00:33:01.450 --> 00:33:06.630
towards one specific goal. And it's nice to see

00:33:06.630 --> 00:33:09.670
them all overlap and interact because we do get

00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:12.509
so many of these separate little storylines throughout

00:33:12.509 --> 00:33:15.109
that it is nice when they all come together.

00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:17.369
Totally. And they're all on the same page. Totally,

00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:20.890
totally, totally. Keep your finger on the pause

00:33:20.890 --> 00:33:23.549
button and rewind that tape. It's time for the

00:33:23.549 --> 00:33:26.289
prestige category. For what did we notice on

00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:30.029
this watch through? Okay, what is the function

00:33:30.029 --> 00:33:34.769
of the pulsating boobo tuber pus thing in the

00:33:34.769 --> 00:33:36.750
upside down vine that Hopper's in? Because it

00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:39.769
just spits at him. The one that spits the spores?

00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:43.809
Yeah. I think it's just to... It's pollinating?

00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:47.869
Yeah, pollinate and infect and it's just spreading.

00:33:48.589 --> 00:33:51.430
the spores out i i have to imagine that it's

00:33:51.430 --> 00:33:54.490
close to pollination where they'll touch down

00:33:54.490 --> 00:33:58.009
and then more will grow okay okay fine i just

00:33:58.009 --> 00:34:00.390
like it's just so convenient that it like looks

00:34:00.390 --> 00:34:07.230
at him and it's like and he's like fine it is

00:34:07.230 --> 00:34:11.769
a very convenient thing but so was having a demogorgon

00:34:11.769 --> 00:34:15.789
come straight through a paw in a wall That's

00:34:15.789 --> 00:34:19.550
so true. Okay, just to be clear, the vines are

00:34:19.550 --> 00:34:21.769
definitely part of the hive mind and we think

00:34:21.769 --> 00:34:24.329
the mind flayer or Vecna controls the vines too?

00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:27.590
Yes, but I think it's because they're not an

00:34:27.590 --> 00:34:30.130
intelligent thing. Yeah. So I think that the

00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:33.170
vines operate more on kind of an autopilot. Oh,

00:34:33.170 --> 00:34:36.429
okay, like a defense system. Yeah, exactly. So

00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:41.219
I'm thinking like... We said boo -bo -tuber,

00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:43.000
and now I'm going to bring in devil's snare,

00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:49.719
where a person touches it, and then it's natural

00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.320
instinct. A Venus flytrap, if you will. Yeah,

00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.900
there. A real plant. A real example. We bring

00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:58.139
in real life. It's not just fandoms and fandom

00:34:58.139 --> 00:35:02.280
-sh -fandom. What? We know real things, too,

00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.039
you guys. You know, a Venus flytrap isn't thinking,

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:11.219
oh, I'm going to catch this fly. A fly touches

00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:13.579
it, and its natural instinct is to snap shut.

00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:16.159
To close up, yeah. So I think it's a similar

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.000
situation with the vines, is that they're essentially

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.420
just there, and when it senses, through feeling,

00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:28.340
something there that's not supposed to be there,

00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:32.900
it's supposed to grab, absorb, feed, whatever

00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:35.619
the case may be. I gotta say, I'm really happy

00:35:35.619 --> 00:35:39.360
that there aren't Venus fly traps. type things

00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.559
in the Stranger Things world. I'm very glad that

00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.099
we've never gotten into the swallowing things

00:35:44.099 --> 00:35:47.320
whole horror, like Pirates of the Caribbean or

00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.739
even Arkham. The Arkham games, when Poison Ivy

00:35:50.739 --> 00:35:52.460
takes over at one point, the plants start eating

00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:55.260
people and there's a whole man that you can rescue

00:35:55.260 --> 00:36:01.519
from it. It's terrible. Okay. Really big question

00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:08.400
for you, Sierra. Does Dustin play hockey? He

00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.739
might. It seems like it. He's got goalie gear

00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:15.780
and he has a sweet little slap shot there. Yeah,

00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:19.780
I would have to imagine. I'm not sure what the

00:36:19.780 --> 00:36:24.559
general population of Indiana do for sports.

00:36:24.619 --> 00:36:30.119
We've only seen basketball. So I would have to

00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.320
imagine they've got a hockey team as well. Don't

00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.039
often see them doing things. Also, potentially,

00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:42.320
he used to play and then got into nerd stuff

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.619
and stopped playing. But I can see Dustin doing

00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:48.940
both as well. Also, I'm going to say this very

00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:52.599
quickly. I don't blame Dart for eating Muse.

00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.360
I blame Dustin for putting Muse in that position.

00:36:56.539 --> 00:36:58.940
Because Dart is just doing what an animal does,

00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:02.539
which is grows big and needs to eat a lot of

00:37:02.539 --> 00:37:07.559
things. I feel a lot for Dart when Dustin bursts

00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.880
out of there and slaps him into the basement.

00:37:11.380 --> 00:37:15.260
I do too. Because he gets scared and starts to

00:37:15.260 --> 00:37:18.659
scamper. And that's his owner. Like he, he has,

00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.320
we know he has little bit of feelings. We see

00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.300
this in the finale. He has little bit of feelings

00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:26.179
for Dustin. He has a connection. And that's,

00:37:26.179 --> 00:37:30.099
I, I know, listen, I, I understand for all the

00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:31.840
people that are being like, wow, what a, what

00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.050
a. stupid person Sam's being right now. I get

00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:37.650
that he's like, could turn into a bear and Dustin

00:37:37.650 --> 00:37:39.170
has no idea if he's going to hurt him or not

00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:41.989
or anything like that, but it's just really heartbreaking

00:37:41.989 --> 00:37:46.050
to see him be so scared and turn around. It is.

00:37:46.090 --> 00:37:49.610
It is. I am right there with you. I do find it

00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:54.190
very upsetting. Obviously, we know what he can

00:37:54.190 --> 00:38:00.070
become and so it's hard to fully empathize. However,

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.420
At this moment, he's just a small animal in a

00:38:04.420 --> 00:38:07.980
weird situation. Yeah. Not in his home. Yeah.

00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.619
And the only person that he's really known is

00:38:11.619 --> 00:38:14.500
scary. Yeah. I mean, it turns out he probably

00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:16.500
could have just lured him down there with not

00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:22.000
meat, but three musketeers. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways.

00:38:22.900 --> 00:38:27.159
Bummer, bummer, bummer. So, on to another character

00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.380
that... I have a little confusion over this.

00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:39.619
So Billy is mad at Max and at life and because

00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:43.019
his dad married Max's mom and they had to move,

00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:47.360
which are two separate things because later we

00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.699
find out that they became a family back when

00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:56.400
Billy had to have been maybe 11 or so. And so

00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.730
I have so many questions. Why couldn't he have

00:38:59.730 --> 00:39:02.110
stayed with his mom? We find out later that the

00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:05.550
mom kind of left. But still, why couldn't the

00:39:05.550 --> 00:39:08.909
mom have taken him? He's clearly old enough to

00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:12.590
emancipate himself by now. Why couldn't he do

00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:18.250
this? And then also, why is he blaming Max for

00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:22.030
all of this? Because his dad is the horrible

00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:25.190
one. It's not like Max came along with an abusive

00:39:25.190 --> 00:39:29.340
parent. that i would maybe understand a little

00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:32.699
bit more and if he had the nice sweet mom and

00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:34.599
then here comes this girl who has this abusive

00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.059
dad but his dad is the one that's horrible and

00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:42.260
max and max's mom are just dragged into this

00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:45.239
situation just as much as billy is so i don't

00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:51.170
fully understand his specific disdain for max

00:39:51.170 --> 00:39:53.670
and hatred of her and everything that she stands

00:39:53.670 --> 00:39:55.590
for i think it's i think it's classical like

00:39:55.590 --> 00:39:58.090
uh blame avoidance for the thing that's real

00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:00.190
and blame assigning for something that's easy

00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:03.269
to control because he can control max much easier

00:40:03.269 --> 00:40:05.929
than he can control anything else so i i think

00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:09.929
it's simply down to that factor which is unfortunate

00:40:09.929 --> 00:40:15.730
yeah all right so This was an interesting thought

00:40:15.730 --> 00:40:18.889
for me. As Lucas is telling Max everything, I'm

00:40:18.889 --> 00:40:20.869
sitting there going, you know, I don't think

00:40:20.869 --> 00:40:23.449
this is just because of a crush. I think he recognizes

00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:25.429
something deeper. But what are your thoughts?

00:40:25.590 --> 00:40:28.969
Why does Lucas tell Max everything? I think he

00:40:28.969 --> 00:40:32.769
somehow knows she's going to be helpful. Because

00:40:32.769 --> 00:40:36.389
I do think there is something deeper there. Maybe

00:40:36.389 --> 00:40:42.300
it's just because he is... Happy that there's

00:40:42.300 --> 00:40:44.500
somebody else who's interested in this whole

00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:48.199
situation and that they can potentially bring

00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.300
somebody else in and explain a little bit more

00:40:52.300 --> 00:40:56.139
of what's going on. And it's not so tied into,

00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:59.679
you know, the 10 people who are involved, but

00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.139
also, yeah, I just don't see him fully acting

00:41:05.139 --> 00:41:08.780
on just a crush to tell her he's got to have,

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.840
because. You know, Dustin has a crush on her

00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.159
too, but he's not all gung -ho to tell her about

00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.579
it. So I feel like Lucas is picking up on maybe

00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:22.280
her continued interest is really showing that

00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.480
she could be an asset to them. Yeah, totally.

00:41:25.460 --> 00:41:30.119
I think so. I think so. Also, last thing on episode

00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.960
five. I just think it's funny that Steve's going

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.880
back to ask for Nancy's forgiveness and to try

00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.119
and get back together. It's not a detail that

00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.110
I'd noticed. on other rewatches. It's not something

00:41:41.110 --> 00:41:42.989
that I never remembered that he like actually

00:41:42.989 --> 00:41:44.969
tries to go back after she's like, I don't love

00:41:44.969 --> 00:41:48.710
you. This is all BS. But he does. And I think

00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:50.610
that's just so funny, but that's why Dustin finds

00:41:50.610 --> 00:41:55.289
him. Right. So good. But moving on to a more

00:41:55.289 --> 00:41:57.449
serious note on episode six, I just got to say

00:41:57.449 --> 00:42:00.869
the like horrors, Grey's Anatomy stuff is so

00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:03.789
good with Will in the hospital. And when they're

00:42:03.789 --> 00:42:07.250
like, where does it burn? And Will's actor is

00:42:07.250 --> 00:42:11.380
just, phenomenal in these in these scenes of

00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:14.119
escalating and i don't ever tire of it right

00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.320
the the ramps up into screams and this horror

00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.320
and everything is just so so good but his when

00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:26.380
he screams everywhere it is chilling and harrowing

00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:31.619
yes it is i it's one of those moments that really

00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:37.199
just blow you away for for a moment you kind

00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.650
of just have to sit with that moment and almost

00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:45.130
wish it didn't cut yeah yeah but it needs to

00:42:45.130 --> 00:42:47.329
cut because you need a little bit of relief from

00:42:47.329 --> 00:42:52.289
what just happened exactly so crazy crazy and

00:42:52.289 --> 00:42:56.190
i just another thing i keep going back to max

00:42:56.190 --> 00:42:58.449
and billy because they are honestly fascinating

00:42:58.449 --> 00:43:01.809
to me they're great but where are their parents

00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.260
We are now six episodes in and they have yet

00:43:06.260 --> 00:43:10.179
to make an appearance, a mention, a hey, I have

00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:13.460
to get you back because dad said so, a anything.

00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.800
Anything at all. We know nothing about them.

00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:21.460
We find out, but we know nothing about them up

00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:23.840
to this point. And just where have they been?

00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:26.340
Right. They just go on a trip and just leave

00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:30.679
these kids alone? Right. Or, I mean, I get it.

00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.840
babysit max for long stretches of time boy does

00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.199
he get annoyed by that i've been i've been watching

00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.440
her all week exactly but where have they been

00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:46.340
yeah yeah it's a good question shoddy parenting

00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:49.599
shoddy parenting indeed speaking of well not

00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.039
parenting but shoddy adults with kids yes why

00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.139
is murray getting minors drunk because it's the

00:43:57.139 --> 00:44:03.539
80s That's the only answer I have. I hope that

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:05.880
everybody that lived in the 80s just went, yep,

00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:10.079
she nailed it. She got it. That's why it's the

00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.659
80s. He's a fascinating character. And I think

00:44:14.659 --> 00:44:17.420
from a story standpoint, it's quite entertaining

00:44:17.420 --> 00:44:21.739
that they're drinking vodka and Nancy can handle

00:44:21.739 --> 00:44:25.199
it and Jonathan can't at all. And they're kind

00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.599
of showing the difference between their maturities

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.659
as well. And we've already seen them drinking

00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:32.539
alcohol, but, like, Murray just, like, straight

00:44:32.539 --> 00:44:36.099
up pouring two minors vodka is crazy to me. When

00:44:36.099 --> 00:44:38.340
he knows so much, he's gotta know their ages.

00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:43.360
I, in my head, though, I really do think that

00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:48.000
Murray just doesn't interact with non -adults.

00:44:48.019 --> 00:44:49.980
Yeah, absolutely. And barely interacts with adults.

00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.239
And so he's just like, well, people came to my

00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.079
house. What do I do? I offer them a drink. What

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.940
do I have? I have vodka. Those commie bastards,

00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.400
I think is what he says, really know how to make

00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:07.360
some sort of thing. A spirit. A spirit, that

00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.860
was it. A spirit, yeah. A spirit, yeah. I just,

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.000
it's so funny. We'll get more to Murray. I have

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:17.519
a lot of him coming up in the episode. So, episode

00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.699
six, great, awesome. Episode seven, which we

00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:24.000
talked nothing about Eleven's storyline, which

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.619
is the fourth storyline throughout all of these

00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:30.000
episodes. But in all honesty, why is it that

00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.219
I and many do not like Eleven's Chicago storyline?

00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:39.260
I think the main reason is because it doesn't

00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:42.820
seem to really have an impact on anything else

00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:46.039
going forward. It just happens and then it's

00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.360
done. Yep. We barely learn any new information.

00:45:49.699 --> 00:45:53.099
The only new information that we kind of learn

00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:57.219
is that her mom tried to break her out. There's

00:45:57.219 --> 00:46:00.099
a rainbow room, and there's more kids out there

00:46:00.099 --> 00:46:02.619
who may potentially still be alive. Yeah. And

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:05.239
Dr. Brenner's still alive. And Dr. Brenner's

00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:06.260
still alive. That's, like, the one actual piece

00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:09.500
of, like, important moving forward in the story

00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:12.139
until we get to Vecna and all the different kids.

00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:15.840
But, like... Right. She... It really doesn't

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.900
seem to impact... It impacts, like, soft parts

00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:21.059
of the story, right? Dr. Brenner's alive. That's

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:22.639
not doing anything with this particular season.

00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.480
There were other kids. Okay, that's, like, world

00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.719
-building but not... to the actual storyline.

00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:33.239
So that's frustrating. But also, I think part

00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:37.119
of it is that the attempt to do 80s punk is completely

00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.840
oversaturated. So, you know, like people who

00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.320
are taking photos as beginner photographers,

00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:45.940
they get into the editing studio and they're

00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:47.699
like, wow, look, I can ratchet up the colors.

00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:50.260
Look how pretty this photo is suddenly. And so

00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:52.099
you see a lot of like beginner photography is

00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:54.739
saturation without the eye for what's required

00:46:54.739 --> 00:46:57.900
of high saturation. So you just get like really

00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:00.260
impossible color. And that's to me is what this

00:47:00.260 --> 00:47:03.260
feels like for the punk scene is like, all right,

00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:05.360
I like Callie. I think she's an interesting character.

00:47:05.780 --> 00:47:10.579
And then her like group of friends is we're like

00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:15.139
tittering into comic book in a way that doesn't

00:47:15.139 --> 00:47:18.909
sit with. Stranger things. Because, like, okay,

00:47:19.010 --> 00:47:21.349
comic book villains like the Joker work with

00:47:21.349 --> 00:47:24.190
brooding Batman because they're constantly there,

00:47:24.349 --> 00:47:28.349
but they fit with Batman's whole sort of vibe.

00:47:28.989 --> 00:47:32.070
Versus this is like, I've got a switchblade,

00:47:32.170 --> 00:47:35.829
and I'm gonna cut off your locks, honey. And,

00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:38.510
oh, and now I'm covered with spiders, and I'm

00:47:38.510 --> 00:47:40.710
jittery, and I'm doing all this stuff. But, like,

00:47:40.750 --> 00:47:42.210
you never get to know any of the characters,

00:47:42.329 --> 00:47:45.690
and they all seem rather kind of stock. They

00:47:45.690 --> 00:47:48.369
really do feel like people from Joker's gang.

00:47:48.610 --> 00:47:52.230
Yeah. In a way that I'm just like, what is happening?

00:47:52.369 --> 00:47:55.489
And that oversaturation, I think, really kills

00:47:55.489 --> 00:47:57.389
that story for me. Because otherwise, there are

00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:00.909
some interesting moments. Yeah, there are some

00:48:00.909 --> 00:48:04.610
interesting moments. I really do think it's the

00:48:04.610 --> 00:48:07.449
oversaturation, but also just that there's no

00:48:07.449 --> 00:48:08.389
follow -through. There's no follow -through.

00:48:08.510 --> 00:48:12.570
All of the information that we gather could have

00:48:12.570 --> 00:48:16.260
been weaved into... Any number of other storylines.

00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.920
Also, like... We didn't need her leaving and

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.800
going and finding this new look and blah, blah,

00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.820
blah. Learning the word bitchin'. Yeah. And also...

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:28.880
Unnecessary. She... Like, it's... Okay, so she

00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.820
saves the guy, but we already kind of know that

00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:32.900
she's a good person. But I think this might have

00:48:32.900 --> 00:48:35.559
been an overcorrection from... She smashed everybody's

00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.539
brains in the finale of season one. Right. Which

00:48:38.539 --> 00:48:42.219
show that she has humanity in her. Which is like,

00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:45.210
okay, I... Cool, I'm glad she does, but I feel

00:48:45.210 --> 00:48:46.570
like we knew that about our character without

00:48:46.570 --> 00:48:51.809
having to save the one dude. But also, if you

00:48:51.809 --> 00:48:53.630
are juxtaposed in those two positions, it almost

00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:57.550
feels a little unearned. Suddenly, you've got

00:48:57.550 --> 00:48:59.929
kids, and the kids are the things that saved

00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.670
him. I think that it's not necessarily that it's

00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:05.989
the kids that save him, but I almost feel like

00:49:05.989 --> 00:49:09.530
she sees herself and Callie as the kids. Oh,

00:49:09.530 --> 00:49:12.989
interesting. While the dad may have done something

00:49:12.989 --> 00:49:16.090
terrible, the kids don't deserve to suffer because

00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:21.269
of it. And so she had her real mom taken away

00:49:21.269 --> 00:49:27.590
from her. She had Papa, who was not a nice man,

00:49:27.789 --> 00:49:31.750
and therefore she and Callie suffered. And if

00:49:31.750 --> 00:49:35.449
they were to kill these girls' dad, then they

00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:40.219
would suffer. So I read it as that way. her seeing

00:49:40.219 --> 00:49:44.679
herself in them and that's why she doesn't want

00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.500
to go through with this because she doesn't want

00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:49.800
to ruin their lives so i just i feel like the

00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.340
reason why i say it's there's kind of this oxymoronic

00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:56.099
feature going on where it's like it's both feels

00:49:56.099 --> 00:49:57.880
unearned and it feels like we kind of already

00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.699
know is that in the show she's been completely

00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:03.179
empathetic the entire time what we don't know

00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:06.380
is that in a moment of high tension would she

00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:09.800
kill or not kill And, but this feels like it's

00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.219
not quite the right answer to season one's brain

00:50:12.219 --> 00:50:16.739
smashing because she's not actually in a threat

00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:20.519
in any way, shape or form. Like she is the threat.

00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.320
She's not being threatened. And so, okay. So

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.500
we've answered what this humanity question kind

00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:29.260
of, but not really. And then when they are threats,

00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.320
it's Callie, the one that says saves everybody

00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.019
by making them all invisible and then rage, you

00:50:34.019 --> 00:50:37.280
know, raising a big giant wall. in front of everybody

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:41.000
as well. I don't know. All of those reasons put

00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.800
together, it just is a really uninteresting storyline

00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.360
and it's almost a completely different feel the

00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.500
way they shoot it. It is very different. The

00:50:48.500 --> 00:50:50.159
costuming. And I know that's part of the point

00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.360
is to give her a sense of ownership and she chooses

00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.500
to come back to Hawkins. Cool. I just wish it

00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.400
had been done in a more compelling way. Yeah,

00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:06.699
I agree. I think the only other potential The

00:51:06.699 --> 00:51:10.340
thing that we can get through this and only through

00:51:10.340 --> 00:51:13.760
this type of storyline is seeing the juxtaposition

00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.860
of how she has ended up and how Callie has ended

00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:21.019
up and how she could have become this very bitter

00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:25.239
person who goes and just murders for revenge.

00:51:25.699 --> 00:51:30.400
And instead, she has slightly more noble reasons

00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.280
for murdering. Yeah, that's true. I guess is

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.599
also interesting, but I think it just leaves

00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.699
us with so many more questions than answers.

00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:44.559
For example, Callie and Elle feel that something

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.980
was missing and now they're one again. Why? Why?

00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:53.380
Why? Is there something that specifically connected

00:51:53.380 --> 00:51:55.820
the two of them? Is this something that Dr. Brenner

00:51:55.820 --> 00:51:59.239
created in them? Right. Is this just, I forgot

00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.820
how much you used to mean to me type of a thing?

00:52:01.900 --> 00:52:04.639
But it's never answered. Shouldn't they still

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.460
feel like part of them is missing due to the

00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:12.519
fact that 1 through 7, 9 and 10 are also still

00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:18.239
not around them? I mean, if you're thinking that

00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.199
all of the kids have this sort of connection

00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.739
with each other, shouldn't they also still feel

00:52:23.739 --> 00:52:27.059
like they're missing other parts of them? It

00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:32.000
really just was very confusing to me. Also, speaking

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.039
of the kids. This is a pedantic question, but

00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.539
do you think Dr. Brenner always tattooed three

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:42.780
numbers on the special powers children? Is that

00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:45.539
like branding best practice? Or do you think

00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:47.340
once they got to number 10, they were like, ah,

00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:49.099
dang it, we've got to go back and add another

00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:52.019
zero in front of all the numbers. Because she's

00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:57.840
008. Right. And then 11 is 011. But I'm like.

00:52:58.269 --> 00:53:01.090
Wouldn't you just tattoo one? Like, why are we

00:53:01.090 --> 00:53:02.909
tattooing three numbers on it? Are you thinking

00:53:02.909 --> 00:53:06.750
you're going to get to 999? I mean, potentially.

00:53:06.769 --> 00:53:11.269
Or at least just 100. If he's thinking potentially

00:53:11.269 --> 00:53:14.869
he could end up with 100, essentially, test subjects.

00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:17.389
Yeah, maybe. It just seems weird. Someone in

00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:20.670
science. Someone in science, let us know. Test

00:53:20.670 --> 00:53:22.929
subjects. Or in cattle, I guess. How many numbers

00:53:22.929 --> 00:53:25.960
do you go into? If you're a cattle rancher. That

00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.980
too? Anything that requires numbering of individuals

00:53:28.980 --> 00:53:34.000
or specimens or anything like that. The other

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.000
thing that I think that we do get from this is

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.340
there's some new progressions in Eleven's powers.

00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:47.480
So instead of being able to find Callie, she

00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.480
dreams about where to find her. And another thing

00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.679
that also doesn't make sense, and I do not believe

00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:58.019
we ever see again. So she's not able to find

00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.559
her through her normal way, but then she dreams

00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:03.179
that she finds her and that doesn't fully make

00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:06.079
– is this connected to the why they feel like

00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.239
they were missing and now they're whole again?

00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:10.659
Is part of them calling out to each other? It

00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:13.059
doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:17.559
No, it doesn't make sense at all. I couldn't

00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.639
figure out if this was a progression or if this

00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.679
is something we haven't seen, but then we never

00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.599
see it again, so it's not really answered, which

00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.519
is very frustrating. Yeah, from a world -building

00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:28.719
perspective on her powers, this is one of those

00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:33.460
moments where this reads to me as a script -working

00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:37.239
area that was probably sussed out a bunch of

00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.360
different ways. It just has that feel to it.

00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.559
Obviously, that's speculation. I don't know for

00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.699
sure. But it feels like they were like, okay,

00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.800
she's not going to be able to find her for this

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.239
reason and this reason and this reason. But then

00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.340
they couldn't really come up with another better

00:54:51.340 --> 00:54:54.440
way. And then when they did, it feels a bit contrived

00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.940
just to get her up there. And then it's never

00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:59.000
fully explained in a way that feels satisfying

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.659
to me anyways. Yeah. So, weird episode all around.

00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:08.809
I can see the bullet points. We want her to choose

00:55:08.809 --> 00:55:12.690
to go back to Hawkins. We want her to train a

00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:14.530
bit more with somebody else. This is her Yoda

00:55:14.530 --> 00:55:18.650
situation. We want her to know that Dr. Brenner's

00:55:18.650 --> 00:55:20.670
still alive. We want her to make a decision for

00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:22.250
good so that we kind of clean up what we did

00:55:22.250 --> 00:55:28.110
in episode one. All understandable. If I was

00:55:28.110 --> 00:55:30.789
a critic who'd watched the episode before, I

00:55:30.789 --> 00:55:35.480
would put rewrite. Which is harsh. And I'm not

00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.000
a TV writer, but that's my note on that episode,

00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:40.519
which is I think you need to redo the way that

00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.079
this goes. It's the way I feel about Attack of

00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.659
the Clones, right? Is all the big bullet points

00:55:44.659 --> 00:55:47.300
I like, rewrite for strengthening your movie.

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:54.019
Yeah. Episode 8 starts with Will freaking out

00:55:54.019 --> 00:55:56.000
because he's creepy Will. And Mike is going,

00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.559
oh my gosh, oh my gosh, he tricked us, it's a

00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.099
trap. Right? Which is this little, like, Princess

00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:06.539
Leia reference. It's a trap! And Will just, you're

00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:09.460
lying! You're lying! You're lying! You're lying!

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.980
Over and over and over again. Just this little

00:56:11.980 --> 00:56:14.420
kid's scream with the voice breaking and all

00:56:14.420 --> 00:56:16.440
this stuff. It's just an incredible way to start

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:19.119
off a hugely compelling sequence in the Hawkins

00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.260
lab. That's it. That's the observation. Nailed

00:56:22.260 --> 00:56:25.679
it. Yeah. No notes. Thanks. Absolutely no notes

00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:31.159
because it is fantastic. It is so much. Just,

00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:34.960
there is so much that is given to this episode

00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:39.119
just by starting with that. For real. And then,

00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:42.619
okay, do we slightly excuse Billy's behavior,

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.239
minus the racism, so not including the racism,

00:56:45.460 --> 00:56:49.039
because of how awful his dad is? So just to recap

00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.360
to everybody. I don't know that it's excused.

00:56:51.380 --> 00:56:54.780
Dad comes in, is immediately the energy of a

00:56:54.780 --> 00:56:57.260
dangerous man. You're like, this guy murders,

00:56:57.460 --> 00:57:04.349
for sure. He's quietly angry. And Billy, we can

00:57:04.349 --> 00:57:07.750
see, is internally struggling. And he lashes

00:57:07.750 --> 00:57:09.929
out. Well, if you guys weren't three hours late,

00:57:09.969 --> 00:57:11.809
blah, blah, blah. But it's an entirely different

00:57:11.809 --> 00:57:15.449
anger than what he does with Max. He's powerless.

00:57:15.849 --> 00:57:20.170
Yeah. And then this guy, his dad, takes him and

00:57:20.170 --> 00:57:23.070
shoves him against the wall and calls whoever

00:57:23.070 --> 00:57:27.179
he's going to date a whore. And then, which actually

00:57:27.179 --> 00:57:28.780
I think is a bit over the top for the character.

00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.320
I think he, it just, it reads a little too melodramatic.

00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:36.300
But does do that and then makes him say, yes,

00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:39.719
sir, louder for everybody to hear. And we see,

00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.679
actually, Billy might be a better person than

00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.699
his dad. Now, again, Billy's 17 years old. He's

00:57:46.699 --> 00:57:48.579
a child. He's a literal child, even though he's,

00:57:48.579 --> 00:57:51.960
the actor's definitely not. No. But what do you

00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.120
think? He's not that much older, but he is. So

00:57:56.120 --> 00:58:00.860
I have a hard time with excusing bullies and

00:58:00.860 --> 00:58:06.179
explaining bullies. So it explains why he is

00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:09.219
the way he is, why he lashes out the way that

00:58:09.219 --> 00:58:12.059
he does, why he's angry at the world around him,

00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:16.219
why he acts out with fear and with anger. And

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:19.480
most often the people who feel the most fear

00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:24.199
need to combat that somehow. And so. He is then

00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.739
turning that around into, well, I'm so afraid

00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:31.480
I will make other people fear me. Therefore,

00:58:31.659 --> 00:58:34.559
I will be powerful because my dad has power over

00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.659
me. So I have to have power over somebody else.

00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:41.820
So it explains it. I don't think that it excuses

00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:47.699
it because I think that there are ways to still

00:58:47.699 --> 00:58:50.179
be a better person despite the situations that

00:58:50.179 --> 00:58:53.380
you're in. However, he is still a child and most

00:58:53.380 --> 00:58:56.639
children do not have the capacity to figure that

00:58:56.639 --> 00:59:02.239
out. Yeah, totally. So it's hard. If he was a

00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:04.699
number of years down the road and removed from

00:59:04.699 --> 00:59:07.639
that situation, I would say absolutely not. It

00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.099
does not excuse his behavior. Given that he is

00:59:11.099 --> 00:59:14.559
still in a dangerous situation on a regular basis,

00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:19.260
I can give him slightly more of a pass. And as

00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:22.820
we see... a little bit more of billy's storyline

00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:27.639
come to light yeah later on we can have a we

00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.139
can have a little bit more grace with billy that's

00:59:30.139 --> 00:59:32.059
the word i think that's the word for me it's

00:59:32.059 --> 00:59:34.980
not pass it's grace because i like you're saying

00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:37.500
i can't excuse it it's obviously more explained

00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:39.639
i don't give him a pass but i give him a little

00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.239
bit of understanding grace and a little bit more

00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.139
empathy because of it i think it's a really effective

00:59:44.139 --> 00:59:48.079
tool in this last episode to do that yeah it

00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.110
always really kills me when this moment comes

00:59:52.110 --> 00:59:54.869
around between billy and his dad because you

00:59:54.869 --> 00:59:58.690
see the stepmom just shrinking into the background

00:59:58.690 --> 01:00:01.969
with you know she's not going to stand up for

01:00:01.969 --> 01:00:05.070
billy you know that if billy is not the target

01:00:05.070 --> 01:00:08.130
she probably is yeah you know that this whole

01:00:08.130 --> 01:00:11.590
situation is super messed up and probably between

01:00:11.590 --> 01:00:15.530
i'm having an epiphany right now Billy is probably

01:00:15.530 --> 01:00:18.889
mad at Max because he takes the brunt of it so

01:00:18.889 --> 01:00:21.090
she doesn't get any of it. Yeah, certainly. He

01:00:21.090 --> 01:00:24.670
takes all of the danger and hides her from it.

01:00:24.710 --> 01:00:27.369
Yeah. And she probably doesn't even realize how

01:00:27.369 --> 01:00:30.630
much he's protecting her, and so he's resentful.

01:00:31.449 --> 01:00:33.469
Which is one of the reasons why he's the one

01:00:33.469 --> 01:00:35.230
that's like, you were late, you were late, you

01:00:35.230 --> 01:00:36.670
were late, because he's the one who gets in trouble

01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:39.389
for being late. Exactly. Like his dad, not her.

01:00:39.570 --> 01:00:42.050
Yeah. Where is your sister? Where is your sister?

01:00:42.210 --> 01:00:45.530
Yeah. I don't know. You're supposed to be watching

01:00:45.530 --> 01:00:48.130
her. Well, it's not his fault that she snuck

01:00:48.130 --> 01:00:51.030
out through the window. How is he supposed to

01:00:51.030 --> 01:00:55.670
know where she is when she's actively defying

01:00:55.670 --> 01:00:58.869
what she's supposed to be doing? And he's going

01:00:58.869 --> 01:01:00.710
to get in trouble for it and he's going to get

01:01:00.710 --> 01:01:05.349
potentially, I mean, beaten probably. Yeah, certainly.

01:01:05.989 --> 01:01:09.110
Given the natural reaction for his dad is to

01:01:09.110 --> 01:01:11.710
walk in and immediately physically assault his

01:01:11.710 --> 01:01:16.619
child. there's definitely more going on than

01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:19.840
just that. That's the tame version. So, wow.

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.519
Okay. There we go. We've answered the whole universe.

01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:25.260
I feel like I need to, I feel like I need to

01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:27.980
rewatch all of Billy now with that in mind. Yeah.

01:01:28.219 --> 01:01:33.380
Well, season three, here we go. Yes. So a couple

01:01:33.380 --> 01:01:37.880
of quicker things that I noticed on this go around.

01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:41.000
Max is the only one who would survive a horror

01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.760
movie. With the quote, why are you headed towards

01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:48.500
the sound? Logic, my friend, logic. I love it.

01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:51.800
I love it, love it. Speaking of love, I love

01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.920
that when Hopper and company escape Hawkins Lab,

01:01:55.099 --> 01:01:59.179
they have no questions as to why Jonathan and

01:01:59.179 --> 01:02:01.579
Nancy are there or why Steve and the babies are

01:02:01.579 --> 01:02:03.420
there. They're just like, all right, come on,

01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:07.139
guys, let's go. Everybody pile in. We're used

01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:09.239
to all meeting up at a random location. Let's

01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:15.340
go. No questions. Yes. A more serious note. How

01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:19.440
does Will slash the Mind Flayer know where the

01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.760
phone is ringing? And how can they hear it? They're

01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.039
not in the house. And they even point out like

01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:30.780
it could be any phone. Okay. So. Joyce has replaced

01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:34.929
the phone. I'm aware. At least two times. So,

01:02:34.949 --> 01:02:37.610
you can't even say it's the same ring he's been

01:02:37.610 --> 01:02:39.329
hearing his whole life. That's true. Because

01:02:39.329 --> 01:02:42.030
last year, she got multiple different phones

01:02:42.030 --> 01:02:44.070
because they kept shorting out when she was trying

01:02:44.070 --> 01:02:47.889
to talk to Will. So, all that being said, first

01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:50.929
of all, the phone is super loud. They can definitely

01:02:50.929 --> 01:02:52.309
hear it in the thing. Because if you remember

01:02:52.309 --> 01:02:55.849
those landline days, they are a – That's true.

01:02:55.949 --> 01:02:57.929
Especially those ones. Because, like, you and

01:02:57.929 --> 01:02:59.829
I were – grew up a little bit in the 90s. We

01:02:59.829 --> 01:03:01.469
still had some of the 80 technologies in our

01:03:01.469 --> 01:03:05.030
house. And, like, those phones – are super loud

01:03:05.030 --> 01:03:07.929
that being said you still hear that you hear

01:03:07.929 --> 01:03:11.670
that phone ring a lot all the time multiple times

01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:15.030
a day again there's no texting so that's a sound

01:03:15.030 --> 01:03:17.289
that will is looking forward to all the time

01:03:17.289 --> 01:03:19.889
because he's out of range his house is out of

01:03:19.889 --> 01:03:22.230
range from the radio signals so everybody has

01:03:22.230 --> 01:03:24.909
to call and so that's a sound that he's looking

01:03:24.909 --> 01:03:26.889
forward to and so i think because the mind flayers

01:03:26.889 --> 01:03:28.889
in his head looking for any information will

01:03:28.889 --> 01:03:32.090
recognizes even it on the on the briefest glimpse

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.760
He's going to recognize that because you think

01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.639
about, you know, people when they would move

01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:38.820
with landlines used to talk about the nostalgia

01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:40.800
of like, man, I really wish the way my old phone

01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:44.559
sounded. And even though, yes, it's been a year

01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:49.679
and Joyce has replaced it multiple times. That's

01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.579
still something for a kid who's like, well, they're

01:03:52.579 --> 01:03:56.119
in eighth grade. So he's 13, 14. A year is still

01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:02.340
an eternity. So, yeah, I think that's why. I

01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:05.000
still find it fishy. Because how many other people

01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.340
have the same phone? Come on. There's not that

01:04:07.340 --> 01:04:11.179
many phones. But also, I will say, they're in

01:04:11.179 --> 01:04:15.179
the shed that he got captured in. Which I know

01:04:15.179 --> 01:04:19.280
they made it look very different. But I too feel

01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.119
like if I had been captured and sent to an alternate

01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.599
dimension, would know, not to make a pun on the

01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.039
word dimension, but I would know the dimensions

01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.690
and where the beams... of the shed are or the

01:04:31.690 --> 01:04:34.510
support the support columns of the shed are and

01:04:34.510 --> 01:04:36.750
he's tied to one of them and i just feel like

01:04:36.750 --> 01:04:39.309
we'll just put it all together at that point

01:04:39.309 --> 01:04:42.309
he's been in that shed before when that phone

01:04:42.309 --> 01:04:44.670
rings and he's heard it and he's had to go out

01:04:44.670 --> 01:04:47.690
to go to go find the phone from the shed so the

01:04:47.690 --> 01:04:50.309
the distance the level of volume that is at plus

01:04:50.309 --> 01:04:52.289
the dimensions of everything with the support

01:04:52.289 --> 01:04:55.329
beams all of it put together i think i think

01:04:55.329 --> 01:04:57.489
you got an okay explanation not a perfect one

01:04:57.489 --> 01:05:00.079
but an okay explanation I still don't love it,

01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.219
but I will acknowledge that there are some good

01:05:03.219 --> 01:05:04.659
points. Speaking of things you don't love. A

01:05:04.659 --> 01:05:07.179
very, very, speaking of things I don't love,

01:05:07.219 --> 01:05:10.599
this very, very, again, pedantic thing. Why is

01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.099
one of Elle's pant legs tucked into her sock?

01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:15.860
People who are old tell us. What was it like

01:05:15.860 --> 01:05:19.869
in the 80s? Did you always specifically tuck

01:05:19.869 --> 01:05:22.409
one pant leg into your sock? Because it bothered

01:05:22.409 --> 01:05:25.289
me so much when they did that pan and there was

01:05:25.289 --> 01:05:27.590
just one pant leg in the sock. And it's not even

01:05:27.590 --> 01:05:31.409
the whole pant leg. It's just part of it. And

01:05:31.409 --> 01:05:33.449
it's not like her socks are that interesting.

01:05:33.570 --> 01:05:35.750
If she had really interesting socks, I could

01:05:35.750 --> 01:05:37.690
maybe see it because I have some interesting

01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:40.510
socks and I want to show them off. But no, they're

01:05:40.510 --> 01:05:44.329
just socks. They're just socks. Just sucks. You

01:05:44.329 --> 01:05:46.230
don't always have to face down a horde of angry

01:05:46.230 --> 01:05:49.170
soldiers by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners,

01:05:49.170 --> 01:05:52.030
because it's time for our Sansa is smarter than

01:05:52.030 --> 01:05:55.909
John category for most important character moment

01:05:55.909 --> 01:06:01.329
in this set of episodes. I have two. Yeah. One

01:06:01.329 --> 01:06:06.659
is Sam. Dr. Sam prioritizing Will over burning

01:06:06.659 --> 01:06:08.360
the vines. Yeah, that's a good moment. I think

01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.559
that is a huge character development for him

01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.039
from what we've seen of him. Because he seems

01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.900
very detached. And this is the first time we

01:06:14.900 --> 01:06:16.699
really see him actually care about somebody.

01:06:16.820 --> 01:06:20.559
Yeah, certainly. And we do see more. We do see

01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.159
more Dr. Sam. The second one is Eleven sparing

01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.900
the man because of the kids. Yeah. As annoying

01:06:28.900 --> 01:06:32.090
as that whole storyline may be. I do think it

01:06:32.090 --> 01:06:35.230
is an important character moment for Eleven to

01:06:35.230 --> 01:06:37.190
realize that this is not the path that she wants

01:06:37.190 --> 01:06:41.090
to go down. I think because of what we were talking

01:06:41.090 --> 01:06:42.869
about earlier about that moment feeling maybe

01:06:42.869 --> 01:06:46.090
not so earned and also kind of predictable, that

01:06:46.090 --> 01:06:48.269
one takes less of precedence over the amount

01:06:48.269 --> 01:06:53.989
of character work and heavy lifting that Sam

01:06:53.989 --> 01:06:57.429
prioritizing Will over burning the blinds does.

01:06:57.929 --> 01:07:01.780
Because, like you said, The Dr. Sam seems interesting,

01:07:02.059 --> 01:07:06.679
you know, and then he's kind of playing both

01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:08.599
sides of the field a little bit there. And then

01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:12.239
we see that he actually really deeply cares about

01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.079
Will. And this allows us to believe later that

01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.619
he's going to stay behind and help Bob, which

01:07:17.619 --> 01:07:19.880
is awesome and really great characterization.

01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:22.840
I will also say, so I would choose that one of

01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:27.039
your two. I will also say Steve's character moment

01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.320
where he... Talks about romance with Dustin.

01:07:30.980 --> 01:07:34.880
And describes how to do the hair. Really does

01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.460
a lot of character development for Steve as well.

01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.760
Who's already been great. But it's an entire

01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:43.500
transformation into the Steve that we know and

01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:48.219
love today. Yeah. And so that one's mine. And

01:07:48.219 --> 01:07:51.300
I think I'm going to take this one. I think I'm

01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:53.579
going to bring it to my side. Because Steve is

01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:57.420
cool. And he's not such a bully. And he's great

01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:00.420
with Nancy. But Steve and Dustin and the way

01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:02.619
that Steve acts and what eventually leads to

01:08:02.619 --> 01:08:05.820
Nancy kind of catching eyes for him again happens

01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:11.599
in that scene. Yeah. So I have Steve in another

01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:16.300
category for a very similar reason, which is

01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:19.739
why I didn't put him here for that specific moment.

01:08:20.659 --> 01:08:26.000
But I do think Steve is pretty important and

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.119
his character development is great here. It's

01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.380
such an important character moment, though. Yeah,

01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.079
this is true. I don't know. You want to call

01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:38.220
it a push? We tie? Okay, I will call it a tie

01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:40.640
this time. I think this is our first tie. Yeah,

01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.699
but I totally agree with Sam. It's a huge moment.

01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.960
It's a really huge moment. Okay, you may have

01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.520
just lost a hand, Sierra, to our tie, which means

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:55.500
I've also lost one. Oh, no! But listen up. It's

01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:59.619
the eye. I'm your father. Category four, most

01:08:59.619 --> 01:09:03.100
iconic character moment. Here is my Steve moment.

01:09:03.539 --> 01:09:06.380
Him walking out. They're going, what are you

01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:10.199
doing? Expanding the menu. And then he lures

01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:15.180
the Demogorgon on his own. I think this is the

01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:17.880
key moment because this is him protecting the

01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.880
kids with the bat starts his journey as dad Steve.

01:09:23.579 --> 01:09:27.699
And. You know, Steve and the kids, dad, Steve,

01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:32.380
daddy, all of those things. Daddy -o, Stevie

01:09:32.380 --> 01:09:36.399
-o. And I think that that is the most iconic.

01:09:36.579 --> 01:09:39.739
The second one that I have for this, though,

01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.619
I do think wins purely because it is what I think

01:09:44.619 --> 01:09:47.020
of when I think of this season, when I think

01:09:47.020 --> 01:09:51.140
of Stranger Things, which is Bob almost making

01:09:51.140 --> 01:09:53.859
it out and getting taken down at the last second.

01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:59.720
Cue me crying for 10 days. I could not nod my

01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:03.020
head any harder than what I just did. Listen,

01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:06.420
expanding the menu is really good. It's not one

01:10:06.420 --> 01:10:09.000
that I think about often in terms of this season.

01:10:09.100 --> 01:10:11.020
I think it's a great character moment. And if

01:10:11.020 --> 01:10:12.319
you'd put it in character moment, I would have

01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.739
been right there with you. But in terms of iconic

01:10:14.739 --> 01:10:19.279
scene, doors bursting over, Bob being overrun,

01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:22.000
Hopper coming to shoot the one that's on him.

01:10:22.430 --> 01:10:24.609
Then the other door bursting open and just being

01:10:24.609 --> 01:10:29.250
like the feeling of, oh my God, no. Oh my gosh,

01:10:29.270 --> 01:10:31.229
they're going to save him. Oh my gosh, you guys

01:10:31.229 --> 01:10:34.090
have to leave him behind. And then the return

01:10:34.090 --> 01:10:37.210
to him where he's twitching as they consume him

01:10:37.210 --> 01:10:42.569
is - Horrible. Iconic. Terrible. And devastating.

01:10:42.670 --> 01:10:49.430
But great. Yes. Yes. Yes, indeed. I think also

01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:54.300
because - When you see someone who is a bigger

01:10:54.300 --> 01:10:58.199
actor join the cast, you think maybe he's going

01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:00.760
to stick around for a little longer. You would

01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.680
think. Samwise Gamgee himself graced your presence.

01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:09.479
Everybody, sit down. It's time for our I am Iron

01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:14.359
Man. Most iconic and most important scene category.

01:11:14.420 --> 01:11:17.539
Okay, so before you get to your stupid choice.

01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.500
Yeah, I know. I called it stupid. There are so

01:11:21.500 --> 01:11:24.760
many better options, and they all are from Murray,

01:11:24.899 --> 01:11:29.640
Jonathan, and Nancy's storyline. So my first

01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.779
question, are we sure it's not the 1950s music

01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:37.239
and lines given to Jonathan and Nancy before

01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.119
they decide to hook up? Okay, let me walk you

01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:43.600
through this. They have, like... old school music

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:46.840
on it's we have moved out of the 80s into the

01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.840
50s where we're splicing between jonathan and

01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:51.579
nancy and who's going to do what and it's also

01:11:51.579 --> 01:11:53.739
kind of an indiana jones reference because it's

01:11:53.739 --> 01:11:56.420
it's the first uh it's the first movie there

01:11:56.420 --> 01:11:59.760
which is set in the 30s so you know i'm off by

01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.539
two decades but fine but they have this sort

01:12:02.539 --> 01:12:06.520
of like should i go should she go no we've looked

01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:10.819
at each other good night i guess yeah good night

01:12:10.819 --> 01:12:13.739
oh Missed it? That was your moment of opportune?

01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.859
No, none of it. Or, are we sure it's not Jonathan

01:12:18.859 --> 01:12:22.600
finally taking some initiative in his life and

01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:27.619
being at the door to kiss Nancy? Which is surprising,

01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:31.699
and I'm sure for people interested in men, very

01:12:31.699 --> 01:12:34.939
attractive to have Jonathan be at the door. Because

01:12:34.939 --> 01:12:37.859
we think Nancy's sitting there, cross -armed,

01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:41.020
scowling. holding a pillow between her legs,

01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:43.500
and then she stands up, and she goes over and

01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:46.039
she opens it, and who's there? Jonathan's already

01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:51.600
there. Also, bonus points to that, because as

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.520
soon as they kiss, it immediately cuts to Erica

01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:59.199
making very convincing make -out noises with

01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:02.000
her action figures, He -Man and her Barbie, just

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:07.819
making out. Alright, what was your choice? My

01:13:07.819 --> 01:13:12.020
choice is Elle moving a train. Nope. No. Just

01:13:12.020 --> 01:13:14.659
no. It's from episode seven. I can't. I can't

01:13:14.659 --> 01:13:18.840
do it. I can't. I can't do it. I think it's iconic

01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.800
because it's something that she has never done.

01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:26.140
It's this insane feat, which usually ends up

01:13:26.140 --> 01:13:27.819
going to Elle because she's the only one who

01:13:27.819 --> 01:13:31.439
can do insane feats like this. And then also

01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.560
important because it is a development in her

01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:42.460
powers. And having more going on. I have a little

01:13:42.460 --> 01:13:45.399
bit of a hard time because I really wanted her

01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.399
to instead of tap into anger, tap into love.

01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.220
But it didn't. Maybe that is just me being so

01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:57.020
fandom coded that that is like. It's supposed

01:13:57.020 --> 01:13:59.060
to be the light side. You're giving it to the

01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:03.680
dark side. Exactly. And I was going. If she gives

01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:05.539
into love, she thinks about the things that she

01:14:05.539 --> 01:14:08.220
loves, then it'll be more powerful. Let the hate

01:14:08.220 --> 01:14:13.279
flow through you. Exactly. I'm not sure why that

01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:16.640
was just on my brain. Why is she Palpatine? I've

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:18.899
seen this scene before. I know. I've seen this

01:14:18.899 --> 01:14:21.699
scene before. I know that she doesn't, but I

01:14:21.699 --> 01:14:23.380
still the whole time was like, why is she not

01:14:23.380 --> 01:14:27.500
doing that? Well, okay. So. El moving the train,

01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.619
in all honesty, it's not, like, season seven,

01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:33.760
it's not a disbarred sort of situation. But it's

01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.840
just kind of a level up from a bus. Yeah. She

01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.699
flips the van in season one, and then she moves

01:14:39.699 --> 01:14:43.359
the train. And I'm like, all right, the training

01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.020
part is interesting. The moving the train is,

01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:49.119
that's funny. I'm stupid. I just realized that

01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:52.100
it's a pun. They're training with a train. I'm

01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:55.960
an idiot. That's fine. Because it's a pun, we're

01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.079
removing it. No, we're done. The Incredibles

01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:00.319
did it better, I'm going to tell you right now.

01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.100
Okay, I win. Which Nancy Jonathan moment do you

01:15:04.100 --> 01:15:07.279
want? Jonathan being at the door. Yeah, of course.

01:15:07.420 --> 01:15:13.340
It's so iconic. As someone who is invested in

01:15:13.340 --> 01:15:18.380
their relationship and also is someone interested

01:15:18.380 --> 01:15:21.789
in men and... If the man was at the door in that

01:15:21.789 --> 01:15:23.770
moment. Yes, it's a very swoon -worthy moment.

01:15:23.810 --> 01:15:25.189
Yeah. I'm just going to put it out there. Good

01:15:25.189 --> 01:15:29.430
on him. Excellent. Well done. Crack open an encyclopedia.

01:15:29.590 --> 01:15:32.689
It's time for our, as Elijah Wood once said,

01:15:32.789 --> 01:15:37.010
no, how could we have known category, where we

01:15:37.010 --> 01:15:39.050
discuss the most important information disseminated

01:15:39.050 --> 01:15:41.369
to the fandom over these four episodes. Elle's

01:15:41.369 --> 01:15:45.090
powers are developing. She's dreaming of locations.

01:15:45.550 --> 01:15:49.590
Somehow. Somehow. She's moving trains. Yep. She's

01:15:49.590 --> 01:15:53.869
killing Demodogs with one fell swoop. True. True.

01:15:54.149 --> 01:15:58.310
Yeah. So things are increasing for her. Her powers

01:15:58.310 --> 01:16:01.609
are not stagnant, I guess, is the important moment

01:16:01.609 --> 01:16:04.010
here. And the other one is what we talked about

01:16:04.010 --> 01:16:06.569
at length with Creepy Whale. Yeah. The Mind Flayer

01:16:06.569 --> 01:16:09.909
has, like, even more than we were talking about

01:16:09.909 --> 01:16:13.130
last episode. It keeps developing our understanding

01:16:13.130 --> 01:16:15.310
of what it's able to do from a strategy standpoint.

01:16:15.430 --> 01:16:18.989
And it's especially key. As you were saying for

01:16:18.989 --> 01:16:22.869
season three. Yes. Keep your horses safe. It's

01:16:22.869 --> 01:16:25.630
the I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse

01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:31.229
category of best lines. Okay. There's an honorable

01:16:31.229 --> 01:16:35.069
mention for Mike's. And I know I hate Mike, but

01:16:35.069 --> 01:16:37.010
it's an honorable mention for Mike line because

01:16:37.010 --> 01:16:39.630
he does it so well. There's a shout out to Empire

01:16:39.630 --> 01:16:42.729
Strikes Back. And it's when Mike says, it's a

01:16:42.729 --> 01:16:45.270
trap. It's a trap. And he's shouting it. And

01:16:45.270 --> 01:16:47.939
they take one of the takes. Or, as I should say,

01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:51.000
one of the takes that they choose to put in the

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.960
episode is his voice cracking in a very similar

01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.420
way to Carrie Fisher's in Empire Strikes Back

01:16:56.420 --> 01:16:59.100
when she's telling Luke it's a trap. And it's

01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:01.300
just really awesome. And I just love the fact

01:17:01.300 --> 01:17:04.000
that it's an Empire Strikes Back moment. It's

01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:07.760
not an Admiral Ackbar moment. It's Leia's moment

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:12.920
that they're shouting out. I love, if you need

01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:18.369
to reach me again. Don't. I love Murray. But

01:17:18.369 --> 01:17:21.970
I will raise you two more Murray lines. So you're

01:17:21.970 --> 01:17:24.369
going to take Nancy or you're going to take Jonathan

01:17:24.369 --> 01:17:29.789
and I'll take Murray. Okay. Steve. We like Steve.

01:17:30.729 --> 01:17:39.850
Yes. But we don't love Steve. So good. So good.

01:17:40.010 --> 01:17:44.899
Second line reading. So, Jonathan, how was the

01:17:44.899 --> 01:17:51.680
pullout? Um, sorry? The sofa? Yeah, it was good.

01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.119
I bet. He drops his eggs off his fork immediately.

01:17:55.659 --> 01:18:07.979
Oops. I, I, we don't love Steve or oops, I think

01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:11.199
are my choices on the lines. So funny. Which

01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.520
one have you got? If you had to pick one of any

01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.380
of those things, what are you going with? Oh

01:18:15.380 --> 01:18:19.659
my gosh. But we don't love Steve. I think that's

01:18:19.659 --> 01:18:24.939
it. It's just so funny. He lines it up. We like

01:18:24.939 --> 01:18:27.119
Steve. She's like, yes, exactly. You get it.

01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:34.239
And he goes, but we don't love Steve. Lord almighty.

01:18:35.149 --> 01:18:37.649
Dust off that card deck and get ready to shuffle.

01:18:37.750 --> 01:18:40.590
It's our Joker category for who is the MVP of

01:18:40.590 --> 01:18:44.909
these episodes. All right. I've got another stupid

01:18:44.909 --> 01:18:46.689
one for you that I'm pretty sure we're going

01:18:46.689 --> 01:18:49.510
to talk ourselves into because every time I've

01:18:49.510 --> 01:18:51.890
been like in life, not just on our broadcast

01:18:51.890 --> 01:18:53.609
because we haven't done it this much, but every

01:18:53.609 --> 01:18:56.090
time I'm like pound for pound, I think it's this

01:18:56.090 --> 01:18:58.890
person. We go with that person. So I'll get to

01:18:58.890 --> 01:19:02.770
him last. Is it Will? Because he breaks through

01:19:02.770 --> 01:19:06.920
the Morse code. Right? He is able to circumvent

01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:08.420
the mind flayer in some way, shape, or form.

01:19:08.500 --> 01:19:10.300
He's able to break through. He Morse codes them.

01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:12.760
He tells them what to do. He gets them the endgame.

01:19:12.939 --> 01:19:16.560
Or is it Bob for getting everybody out safely?

01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:20.619
Or, pound for pound, for the amount of screen

01:19:20.619 --> 01:19:24.619
time that he's got, is it the one, the only,

01:19:24.939 --> 01:19:30.760
Murray? Because let me walk you through. As much

01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:33.250
as I would. Wait. Pound for pound means I have

01:19:33.250 --> 01:19:34.909
to walk you through it. Because that's what I

01:19:34.909 --> 01:19:38.050
do every single time I say pound for pound. Yes,

01:19:38.050 --> 01:19:41.630
yes, yes. Go ahead. So, he shows up in Hawkins.

01:19:42.149 --> 01:19:44.590
He's almost right. Boom. Flash forward to these

01:19:44.590 --> 01:19:48.130
set of episodes. They go up to him. He's a journalist.

01:19:48.270 --> 01:19:50.689
He's got connections. He knows who to send things

01:19:50.689 --> 01:19:54.189
to. He comes in and immediately he's like, I'll

01:19:54.189 --> 01:19:56.670
figure it out. And then he swallows his pride

01:19:56.670 --> 01:19:59.560
and his ego. He listens to Jonathan and Nancy.

01:19:59.899 --> 01:20:02.659
He knows exactly the right strategy to actually

01:20:02.659 --> 01:20:06.000
make change, and not to spoil next episode, but

01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.859
that change actually works. He gets the government

01:20:09.859 --> 01:20:12.520
on the side of Nancy and Jonathan because of

01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:17.069
his watered -down idea. With that, he then spurs

01:20:17.069 --> 01:20:19.810
along this love tension that we've been feeling

01:20:19.810 --> 01:20:23.489
for forever, finally springing forth the Jonathan

01:20:23.489 --> 01:20:26.189
-Nancy connection that we've all been wanting,

01:20:26.289 --> 01:20:30.229
and then leaves with, of all of our best lines,

01:20:30.529 --> 01:20:32.590
we had one Mike one, and then the rest were all

01:20:32.590 --> 01:20:36.270
Murray. And that's four episodes, and he's only

01:20:36.270 --> 01:20:40.029
had one. That is just because he's hilarious.

01:20:40.090 --> 01:20:43.750
Yes. As much as I would love to talk myself into

01:20:43.750 --> 01:20:46.340
Murray. Yeah. I am going to give it to Bob. Yeah,

01:20:46.340 --> 01:20:49.819
same. And it's not just because, but it's not

01:20:49.819 --> 01:20:52.880
just because he gets them all out safely. He

01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:57.119
also figures out that the drawings are vines,

01:20:57.220 --> 01:20:59.899
figures out it's the map of Hawkins, figures

01:20:59.899 --> 01:21:04.000
out where Hop is, is able to direct them properly.

01:21:04.460 --> 01:21:07.840
All of that, everything that he does, Bob Newby

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.279
superhero, all the way through to getting them

01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:14.680
all out safely. Okay, I also think it's Bob.

01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.500
I think he's the absolute MVP, like, maybe even

01:21:18.500 --> 01:21:22.359
of the whole season. The whole series? Maybe.

01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.760
Maybe. That'd be crazy if we did that, the character

01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:27.859
that appears and dies in season two. That'd be

01:21:27.859 --> 01:21:30.819
insane. Yeah, I think it's Bob, certainly. For

01:21:30.819 --> 01:21:33.319
all the reasons she named. It's Bob. 100%. Bob.

01:21:33.859 --> 01:21:38.279
Clean your evil lair. Ugh. And get ready for

01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:43.479
our, I was a turkey all along! Category four,

01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.380
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave

01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:49.779
with in preparation for season five? Yeah, okay,

01:21:49.859 --> 01:21:52.279
so it's pretty quick, y 'all. Mind Flayer is

01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:54.039
a hive mind that can control all demo things

01:21:54.039 --> 01:21:57.680
and anyone that has been infected by it. It's

01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:00.739
also extremely strategic and smart and has an

01:22:00.739 --> 01:22:04.239
omniscient sense of direction and is very duplicitous.

01:22:04.380 --> 01:22:07.979
It will use any and all means for victory. And

01:22:07.979 --> 01:22:11.310
Will can break through it. Yep. Today's public

01:22:11.310 --> 01:22:13.289
service announcement is brought to you by the

01:22:13.289 --> 01:22:16.609
Bob Newby Trust, which had no money in it except

01:22:16.609 --> 01:22:20.930
for this one public service announcement. Learn

01:22:20.930 --> 01:22:24.010
basic, you mindless heathens. It may save your

01:22:24.010 --> 01:22:27.090
life. It's not upside down matter that matters.

01:22:27.250 --> 01:22:29.869
It's technology that's coming for us all. In

01:22:29.869 --> 01:22:32.590
40 years, AI will be ruining the minds of high

01:22:32.590 --> 01:22:35.630
schoolers, making them zombies instead of fighting

01:22:35.630 --> 01:22:39.010
upside down zombies. Learn to code with a passion

01:22:39.010 --> 01:22:42.619
for good. Thank you very much. Thank you, listener

01:22:42.619 --> 01:22:45.539
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01:23:11.180 --> 01:23:14.000
Don't forget to tip your psychiatrist. And fare

01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:48.399
thee well. And Eleven decides to show Mousy.

01:23:51.500 --> 01:23:56.979
Loud have Mousy. Loud have Mousy. And falls to

01:23:56.979 --> 01:23:59.579
Scala to do the same, throwing her gun out the

01:23:59.579 --> 01:24:03.920
window as the cops arrive. I went French at the

01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.159
end. What happened to me? Okay, let's redo that

01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:12.520
sentence. Quick, he's switching accents. Quick,

01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:14.619
he's switching accents. What is he, Gary Fisher?

01:24:15.060 --> 01:24:18.119
The lab is under attack and the group puts Will

01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.180
out, knocks him out. Really, he's out, guys.

01:24:21.619 --> 01:24:28.319
Mike, having noticed that as a spy, he... Find

01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:32.579
your donut holes. It's time for our Knives Out

01:24:32.579 --> 01:24:36.470
category, where we sooth out, suss out... What

01:24:36.470 --> 01:24:39.510
three storylines are the most vital to pay attention

01:24:39.510 --> 01:24:45.609
to? What's happening there? Why does it say sooth

01:24:45.609 --> 01:24:50.329
slash sus? Sus out. Oh, I think I wrote in, is

01:24:50.329 --> 01:24:53.770
it supposed to be sus out? Oh, no, I like sooth.

01:24:54.300 --> 01:24:56.880
Sleuth. Sleuth. It's supposed to be sleuth. Sleuth.

01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:58.479
It's not supposed to be either of those two words.

01:24:58.479 --> 01:24:59.939
We've been saying sooth, which is not a word

01:24:59.939 --> 01:25:02.000
at all. We've said that for like six episodes

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.539
now. No, I mean, there are soothsayers, but it's

01:25:05.539 --> 01:25:09.539
supposed to be sleuth. I know. Sleuth. Dear listeners,

01:25:09.699 --> 01:25:11.880
smishners, if you're hearing this at the end

01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:13.899
of the episode, it's made it into our gag section.

01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:18.199
We would like to put out a formal apology for

01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:22.880
the fact that for the first six episodes... Five

01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:24.880
episodes? Four episodes? I have no idea how many

01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:29.760
we've done. We've been saying sooth instead of

01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:33.079
either sus or sleuth, which is supposed to be

01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:34.720
sleuth. We're just putting them together. So,

01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:38.979
our apologies or our non -apologies, whichever

01:25:38.979 --> 01:25:43.399
one you'd like. The Mind Flayer uses Will to

01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:46.399
lure the Burners to hop... Nope, I can't say

01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:52.859
lure like that. That's insane. To lure... With

01:25:52.859 --> 01:25:56.000
his Goonie butt. And you killed him. And you

01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.579
killed him. Yeah, for real. Goonie butt is a

01:25:58.579 --> 01:26:01.399
reference to Goonies, y 'all. Not anything else.

01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:03.739
Brittany, just scratch, just take out my audio

01:26:03.739 --> 01:26:06.060
track on that. Just have Sierra. Don't have Goonie

01:26:06.060 --> 01:26:07.899
butt in there. We don't need, I don't need trouble.

01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:13.739
Nope. Sorry, you sunk so low in your chair. I

01:26:13.739 --> 01:26:19.829
was like, why is Sierra suddenly Gimli? Okay,

01:26:19.949 --> 01:26:22.250
anyways. Today's public service announcement

01:26:22.250 --> 01:26:26.170
is brought to you by the late Bob Newhart. No.

01:26:26.470 --> 01:26:33.229
What? Newbie. Newbie. Bob Newhart. That's the

01:26:33.229 --> 01:26:34.350
dad from Elf.