WEBVTT 00:00:15.949 --> 00:00:19.070 Welcome to Fandom Shmandum, the fandom podcast 00:00:19.070 --> 00:00:21.949 that covers everything you love and more. I'm 00:00:21.949 --> 00:00:25.149 Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. For today's 00:00:25.149 --> 00:00:28.530 episode, we will be boastfully blathering about 00:00:28.530 --> 00:00:32.770 Stranger Things, the Season 1 finale, Episode 00:00:32.770 --> 00:00:35.789 8. And without further ado, we will, as Roger 00:00:35.789 --> 00:00:39.829 Smith says, dive on in. So get up to 88, because 00:00:39.829 --> 00:00:42.229 it's time to travel back for our one -episode 00:00:42.229 --> 00:00:47.500 story recap. Just as everyone got together, they're 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:50.399 all apart again. Joyce and Hopper are trapped 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.140 inside Hawkins' lab. Joyce is having a lovely 00:00:53.140 --> 00:00:55.600 chat with Brenner. And Hopper is trying to convince 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.000 the security to let him and Joyce find Will. 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.979 The children have been left alone at the gym. 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.359 Jonathan and Nancy are at the buyer's, putting 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.189 nails through a bat and loading a gun. In an 00:01:07.189 --> 00:01:09.349 attempt to get rid of Joyce and Hopper, the lab 00:01:09.349 --> 00:01:11.750 does indeed let them go into the Upside Down 00:01:11.750 --> 00:01:14.629 to rescue Will, but only because Hopper tells 00:01:14.629 --> 00:01:17.769 Brenner where Eleven is. We get flashbacks of 00:01:17.769 --> 00:01:20.890 Hopper with his child Sarah. While it's clear 00:01:20.890 --> 00:01:23.290 Jonathan and Nancy would do well on Survivor 00:01:23.290 --> 00:01:25.730 together, they're going to lure the Demogorgon 00:01:25.730 --> 00:01:29.269 to them and use human intelligence to fell the 00:01:29.269 --> 00:01:32.890 big old beast of the buyer's burden. But Steve 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:38.719 is back! And winning our hearts somehow? He's 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.579 here to apologize, but Nancy pulls a gun on him. 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:43.840 And then the lights start blinking and welcome 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.459 to the party, Steve. There's a big ol' monster 00:01:46.459 --> 00:01:50.340 coming for ya. With some ingenuity, they kill 00:01:50.340 --> 00:01:52.280 the monster. Which is not the biggest victory 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:56.280 of the night. No! Dustin has found some chocolate 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.959 pudding! Chocolate pudding! And Mike kisses Eleven 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.390 while the bad men arrive to capture her. But 00:02:04.390 --> 00:02:07.650 don't worry, she kills everyone trying to get 00:02:07.650 --> 00:02:10.710 her, and that somehow doesn't raise any red flags 00:02:10.710 --> 00:02:14.310 to Mike or even Lucas, who you would think would 00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:19.349 be maybe like, ah, no, she is real bad. Hopper 00:02:19.349 --> 00:02:22.150 and Joyce track some fresh blood to the public 00:02:22.150 --> 00:02:25.009 library in the Upside Down. Brenner finds Eleven 00:02:25.009 --> 00:02:28.169 finally, and she calls him Papa in front of everyone. 00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:31.349 But all that blood leaking out of Eleven's murder 00:02:31.349 --> 00:02:35.289 victims has drawn a new or the same Demogorgon. 00:02:35.289 --> 00:02:38.310 And for some reason, Brenner approaches it and 00:02:38.310 --> 00:02:41.349 it mauls him. I don't understand why he takes 00:02:41.349 --> 00:02:46.189 a step towards the Demogorgon. Finally, Joyce's 00:02:46.189 --> 00:02:49.150 find will. And he's got some sort of weird tube 00:02:49.150 --> 00:02:52.750 shoved in him. Is it from Vecna? What's it doing? 00:02:52.930 --> 00:02:55.669 Why is it in him? We don't know. Only that it 00:02:55.669 --> 00:02:57.590 writhes when Hopper takes it out and then he 00:02:57.590 --> 00:02:59.719 shoots it. since you can't actually ask it any 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.039 questions. Is L dying? Because it certainly seems 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.400 like it. She's used too much of her powers. Lucas 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.740 has no shot of killing the Demogorgon with a 00:03:09.740 --> 00:03:13.500 slingshot, but L, using her powers, disintegrates 00:03:13.500 --> 00:03:17.419 it. Hopper and Joyce find Will. They revive him, 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.240 and all seems right with the world again. Except, 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:24.580 maybe not. While Will is alive, Eleven is missing. 00:03:25.020 --> 00:03:27.780 Hopper is taken for a drive by some sort of agents. 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:32.419 and Will can't quite shake the upside down. He's 00:03:32.419 --> 00:03:35.259 throwing up leftover slugs from it and flashing 00:03:35.259 --> 00:03:39.599 back to that strange, evil world. But don't worry. 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.219 Hopper is leaving food for someone in the woods. 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.800 Is that Eleven's theme music? Well, no, it's 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.219 Christmas music, so Merry Christmas, everyone. 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:53.439 Merry Christmas, Sierra, and Steve's wonderful 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:59.639 sweater. Well, Find your donut holes, Sam, because 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.240 it's time for our Knives Out category, where 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.000 we soothe out which three storylines are the 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:09.520 most vital to pay attention to. Number one, Hopper 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.280 and Joyce. Number two, Jonathan, Nancy, and a 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.800 smidgen of Steve. And number three, The Literal 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.269 Children. Okay, so. This first storyline, Hopper 00:04:21.269 --> 00:04:24.189 and Joyce, they are captured at the end of episode 00:04:24.189 --> 00:04:27.009 seven. The first conversation starts with Brenner 00:04:27.009 --> 00:04:29.629 being like, hey, six people have been taken by 00:04:29.629 --> 00:04:31.970 this monster. I just need 11 to save your son 00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:33.870 and everybody else that might be killed by it. 00:04:33.910 --> 00:04:36.430 And Joyce is like, no, you left my son to die. 00:04:36.689 --> 00:04:40.670 And he's like, ah, the mom got me again. Interesting 00:04:40.670 --> 00:04:46.129 to hear just how much he's really concerned about 00:04:46.129 --> 00:04:49.860 11 only and really nothing else. Oh, yeah, definitely. 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:54.899 He is singularly focused, which is, I don't know. 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.180 I don't even know if there's a word for it. It's 00:04:57.180 --> 00:05:02.660 not admirable. It's not great. He's obsessed. 00:05:03.379 --> 00:05:06.139 Yes. He's obsessed. Obsessive. That's a good 00:05:06.139 --> 00:05:08.540 one. Hopper has a lot of flashbacks to his daughter, 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.660 Sarah, just sort of instantly. humanize this 00:05:11.660 --> 00:05:13.439 entire storyline and give it a lot of gravitas 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.040 and seriousness but they do it in a way that's 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.439 not so like oh dead child feels something people 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.399 and it's it feels really earned because he's 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.980 mentioned her several times you know that she's 00:05:24.980 --> 00:05:26.819 passed like all of a sudden now we get to see 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:30.920 sort of his life before all of this and why he's 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:36.379 so hell -bent on uh really opening up and getting 00:05:36.379 --> 00:05:40.459 will yeah And then they enter the upside down. 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:43.300 They go into it. They follow it through. They 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:46.180 find Will. They, you know, there's this awesome 00:05:46.180 --> 00:05:50.360 sequence of Sarah's sort of demise and trying 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.100 to see if Will is going to have that same demise 00:05:52.100 --> 00:05:55.439 or not. Some really heartfelt lines delivered 00:05:55.439 --> 00:06:00.379 by Winona Ryder. Some incredible acting by David 00:06:00.379 --> 00:06:03.720 Harbour. It's just really good. It's very, very 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.639 good. Really good. Then we've got Jonathan, Nancy, 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.180 and a smidgen. of steve so they leave the gym 00:06:10.180 --> 00:06:13.420 unbeknownst to mike and company and they get 00:06:13.420 --> 00:06:14.540 to the buyer's house and they're like we're going 00:06:14.540 --> 00:06:17.120 to draw it with blood and and they do this great 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:18.560 thing where they're like they clearly already 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.540 had a plan but we're joining them halfway through 00:06:20.540 --> 00:06:22.639 so we don't know what their plan is so that you 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.519 can see it visually unfold uh and they like they 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.639 slice their hands open with blood right there 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:35.870 why is it always the palm why is it always I'm 00:06:35.870 --> 00:06:38.569 sorry. If you are about to need to grip something, 00:06:39.149 --> 00:06:46.750 maybe your shoulder, a leg. Top of your forearm. 00:06:47.170 --> 00:06:50.709 The top of the forearm instead of under your 00:06:50.709 --> 00:06:56.430 palm. A foot, maybe. The top of your foot. An 00:06:56.430 --> 00:07:00.100 ankle. I don't know. I wouldn't even think that. 00:07:00.939 --> 00:07:03.639 Gravity's sending blood down to constantly. Okay, 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.399 fine. There are still plenty of other locations 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.579 on your body than the palm of your hand. And 00:07:09.579 --> 00:07:11.860 it's in everything. I'm a big forearm fan. Forearm 00:07:11.860 --> 00:07:14.920 fan. Forearm's great. Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it. 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.040 It's really tough skin. It's out in the sun all 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:20.399 the time. It'll heal up pretty quick. Like, this 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.000 is a phenomenal point that I literally hadn't 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:23.259 thought about until you were like, why is it 00:07:23.259 --> 00:07:24.639 the palm? And I was like, well, why not? It's 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.579 visually, oh, wait, it doesn't make any sense. 00:07:26.620 --> 00:07:31.459 You're so right. And everybody in every TV show 00:07:31.459 --> 00:07:34.980 or movie is like, I have to cut myself. Better 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:37.800 cut it right across my palm or I have to dramatically 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.920 wrap it and then proceed to do things gripping 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.259 with said open wound. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't 00:07:45.259 --> 00:07:47.500 make any sense. Well, well spotted. Anyways, 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.899 they do lure it to them, but it's at the exact 00:07:50.899 --> 00:07:54.540 same time that Steve, after washing the marquee, 00:07:54.540 --> 00:07:57.519 after this little redemption arc that he has, 00:07:57.949 --> 00:08:00.470 Shows up and is like, I'm sorry. And then they're 00:08:00.470 --> 00:08:02.470 like, you gotta leave. And then Nancy pulls a 00:08:02.470 --> 00:08:05.569 gun on him, which is just so funny. And Steve 00:08:05.569 --> 00:08:07.810 Harrington's response where he's like, wait, 00:08:07.930 --> 00:08:15.149 wait, what? It's so good. He's amazing in this 00:08:15.149 --> 00:08:18.209 scene. That entire sequence of those three, I'm 00:08:18.209 --> 00:08:21.870 like, wow. People playing the teenagers are phenomenal. 00:08:22.250 --> 00:08:27.000 They're great. That scene works so well. And 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.980 even Jonathan's line where he channels his dad, 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:31.860 Lonnie, where he's like, I'm not telling you. 00:08:31.939 --> 00:08:36.480 Get out. It's like, oh, oh, oh, man. Nancy, how 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:41.279 are you not with him instantly? Maybe not the 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.980 best time. That's true. To bring up with Steve 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:47.200 and then start dating Jonathan. Like literally 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.480 in one breath. Yeah, probably not. Probably not. 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:51.980 Probably not. Anyway, Steve shows up and he doesn't 00:08:51.980 --> 00:08:55.169 run away. Chanting like a little Eddie Munster 00:08:55.169 --> 00:08:58.690 in season four. He doesn't run away. He goes 00:08:58.690 --> 00:09:00.730 out and he drops his keys. He has got that wonderful 00:09:00.730 --> 00:09:03.289 horror moment of dropping his keys. Of course. 00:09:03.389 --> 00:09:05.389 And then the lights start flickering again after 00:09:05.389 --> 00:09:08.190 he's already seen this Demogorgon. And then he 00:09:08.190 --> 00:09:10.309 comes in and he saves Jonathan. He picks up his 00:09:10.309 --> 00:09:13.669 famous bat with the nails. Smacks the Demogorgon. 00:09:13.830 --> 00:09:16.649 They're able to do the whole trap sequence where... 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.580 it goes into like the bear trap thing and then 00:09:19.580 --> 00:09:23.700 they set it on fire and it melts and or evaporates 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:25.720 it's not really sure like i still don't know 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.000 if it's the same or a different demogorgon yeah 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.639 i don't know either i think it's i think it's 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.019 a little too unclear not dead yeah i see i'm 00:09:35.019 --> 00:09:36.320 on the other side where i'm like i think it's 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:37.860 dead and they're just multiple demogorgons but 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:41.029 who knows who knows yeah And then we've got... 00:09:41.029 --> 00:09:42.750 Questions abound. But they've done a really good 00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:46.029 job of luring the main Demogorgon that's haunting 00:09:46.029 --> 00:09:50.669 Hawkins away from Joyce and David Harbour, whose 00:09:50.669 --> 00:09:53.629 name is Hopper. There we go. They do a great 00:09:53.629 --> 00:09:55.490 job of luring him away. They've done their whole 00:09:55.490 --> 00:09:58.809 piece. And now Steve is fully invested. And we 00:09:58.809 --> 00:10:02.129 get to have more of him. And he's done just enough 00:10:02.129 --> 00:10:07.450 to save his dating life to Nancy. Yes. Just enough. 00:10:07.529 --> 00:10:12.190 Good job. good job by you buddy um then we've 00:10:12.190 --> 00:10:14.850 got the literal children's storyline okay so 00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:17.250 they're in there and they find chocolate pudding 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:21.230 which is great and they steal way too much of 00:10:21.230 --> 00:10:24.370 it like too much it's an insane amount that they 00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:28.429 grab they carl from walking dead amount of chocolate 00:10:28.429 --> 00:10:31.929 pudding it's stupid how much they take they're 00:10:31.929 --> 00:10:37.090 like there is a great post about how uh Cuddlefish 00:10:37.090 --> 00:10:41.009 can exert self -control. And the caption of this 00:10:41.009 --> 00:10:43.470 post, somebody wrote, Upstaged by a Cuddlefish 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:45.690 once again. They're all upstaged by Cuddlefish. 00:10:47.289 --> 00:10:49.549 Don't be upstaged by Cuddlefish. Exert some self 00:10:49.549 --> 00:10:52.690 -control. I get it. Chocolate pudding's amazing, 00:10:52.889 --> 00:10:56.389 but come on. Anyways, the bad men find them because 00:10:56.389 --> 00:10:58.730 Hopper... I don't think this gets talked enough 00:10:58.730 --> 00:11:01.529 about. Hopper sells out Eleven's location to 00:11:01.529 --> 00:11:04.450 go get Will. Yeah. And then he goes on to be 00:11:04.450 --> 00:11:06.960 her protector and her dad. And to do everything 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:09.120 in his power to keep her. But, like, he absolutely 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:16.320 sells her. Yeah. I... I'd like to believe that 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.299 he's seen enough by now to be like, she can take 00:11:19.299 --> 00:11:22.659 care of herself. Hopefully. Maybe he's banking 00:11:22.659 --> 00:11:25.779 on that. It's not a great look. It's also his 00:11:25.779 --> 00:11:30.080 only leverage. It is. It really is. He has one 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:35.090 final card to play. Yeah. And he has to play 00:11:35.090 --> 00:11:37.629 it, otherwise he's not gonna get Will, and he's 00:11:37.629 --> 00:11:39.669 standing there with the mother of said child, 00:11:39.850 --> 00:11:44.610 like... He kind of is backed into a corner on 00:11:44.610 --> 00:11:47.690 this one, but... He has no way of knowing that 00:11:47.690 --> 00:11:50.990 they're going to not confirm that she's there 00:11:50.990 --> 00:11:53.450 before they let them go into the Upside Down. 00:11:53.629 --> 00:11:55.750 So I think that's why he gives her the real location, 00:11:55.909 --> 00:11:57.850 but he's just like, she's in the gym, and Brenna's 00:11:57.850 --> 00:12:00.509 like, great, good, you're good to go in. Go die. 00:12:00.970 --> 00:12:05.429 Basically. But... Doesn't he send them somewhere 00:12:05.429 --> 00:12:08.269 else? It just says the school and they don't 00:12:08.269 --> 00:12:10.769 know that they're in the gym. No, they send them 00:12:10.769 --> 00:12:12.929 and they go into the gym first, but they've already 00:12:12.929 --> 00:12:15.850 moved to the cafeteria. But he doesn't know that. 00:12:16.009 --> 00:12:18.090 Because I thought that they saw all the things, 00:12:18.190 --> 00:12:21.889 all the vans pull up and go in a different area. 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:25.190 They do. So Mike and Eleven and everybody have 00:12:25.190 --> 00:12:28.240 moved away from the gym location. The agents 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.639 go straight into the gym location, but I don't 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.899 think that Hopper knows that they've moved yet. 00:12:33.019 --> 00:12:35.419 I could be wrong about that, but that's my, it 00:12:35.419 --> 00:12:37.899 is great. And maybe that's what he's banking 00:12:37.899 --> 00:12:40.240 on. He's banking on Mike and Levin and everybody 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.000 keeping her safe and that she can take care of 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.639 herself. But it's also, it's wild from all fronts 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.159 because he gives up his only bit of leverage. 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.620 They don't confirm. They sent him there into 00:12:50.620 --> 00:12:53.980 the upside down and Brenner's like, let them 00:12:53.980 --> 00:12:56.419 go. Yeah. Because, because they're going to die 00:12:56.419 --> 00:12:58.629 in there. So this is an easy way of happening. 00:12:58.730 --> 00:13:00.669 But it's like, but man, you haven't confirmed 00:13:00.669 --> 00:13:02.470 if she's there yet, and he's the only one that 00:13:02.470 --> 00:13:04.590 knows where she is, so... Oh, yeah, it's wild. 00:13:04.809 --> 00:13:07.429 I know it's for plot reasons, but it is just 00:13:07.429 --> 00:13:11.330 stupidity on both of their parts. Oh, yeah. Anyways, 00:13:11.350 --> 00:13:14.529 they find them. Eleven has this, like, serial 00:13:14.529 --> 00:13:17.690 killer moment. Oh, yeah. Which is the reason 00:13:17.690 --> 00:13:20.029 why, in season four, we're willing to believe 00:13:20.029 --> 00:13:23.470 that she killed everybody else in... Yeah. In 00:13:23.470 --> 00:13:27.350 the lab with her. Because... The woman who kills 00:13:27.350 --> 00:13:30.909 Benny, and then we think might kill the favorite 00:13:30.909 --> 00:13:34.590 MVP, Mr. Clark, she's standing there pointing 00:13:34.590 --> 00:13:38.330 a gun at Eleven, and Eleven just squishes all 00:13:38.330 --> 00:13:40.610 the brains of everybody around her. Once again, 00:13:40.730 --> 00:13:43.429 she collapses this time. That does seem like 00:13:43.429 --> 00:13:44.909 a lot of effort to squeeze a bunch of brains. 00:13:45.269 --> 00:13:47.370 They all die, and they all have blood running 00:13:47.370 --> 00:13:49.870 everywhere, but it's kind of an eerie moment. 00:13:50.509 --> 00:13:54.690 It's terrifying. This is another, like, I forgot 00:13:54.690 --> 00:13:58.590 type of moment where I was like, um, her body 00:13:58.590 --> 00:14:04.309 count is very high. Very high. She kills a lot 00:14:04.309 --> 00:14:07.809 of people this season. Yeah. A lot. A lot. And 00:14:07.809 --> 00:14:11.610 yes, they are quote, quote, bad guys. And yes, 00:14:11.929 --> 00:14:16.049 you know, they're from the lab that was essentially 00:14:16.049 --> 00:14:21.049 keeping her captive. brainwashing and whatever 00:14:21.049 --> 00:14:24.309 else they're doing to, to these kids and, and 00:14:24.309 --> 00:14:27.629 et cetera, et cetera. So they're not upstanding, 00:14:27.649 --> 00:14:31.490 but that's a lot of death on her. It's also like, 00:14:31.590 --> 00:14:33.789 she's already proven that she can incapacitate. 00:14:33.789 --> 00:14:36.529 She broke Troy's arm. Yeah. She doesn't necessarily 00:14:36.529 --> 00:14:39.049 have to kill her. So like the temper on her to 00:14:39.049 --> 00:14:41.049 just go, Oh my God, this woman killed Benny, 00:14:41.129 --> 00:14:43.110 who was nice to me. I'm going to kill everybody, 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:47.440 including her is. intense and i like talk about 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.259 like you're saying talk about forgetting moments 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:52.799 it's like oh i kind of think i put this at the 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.139 back of my head because i don't like thinking 00:14:54.139 --> 00:14:56.259 about it because i don't like seeing her and 00:14:56.259 --> 00:15:00.419 not just the the like hero l state of her you 00:15:00.419 --> 00:15:02.659 know ripping apart the monster in season three 00:15:02.659 --> 00:15:05.240 or closing the gate in season two or any of that 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:10.600 stuff so it's anyways it's very strange um but 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.049 it's very huge vecna vibes there In terms of 00:15:14.049 --> 00:15:16.370 her willingness to kill. And again, they are 00:15:16.370 --> 00:15:18.330 bad people. It's not Vecna killing innocent people. 00:15:18.769 --> 00:15:24.850 But, oh man. It's a lot. It's just always, there's 00:15:24.850 --> 00:15:26.690 always a question of morality and ethics when 00:15:26.690 --> 00:15:29.210 you are being the deciding factor to end somebody's 00:15:29.210 --> 00:15:33.809 life. Yes. But she does it and then the Demogorgon 00:15:33.809 --> 00:15:35.990 comes through because there's a lot of blood. 00:15:36.230 --> 00:15:38.710 So either it's the same Demogorgon that got kind 00:15:38.710 --> 00:15:41.200 of melted by some fire. Or it's a different one. 00:15:41.259 --> 00:15:42.460 I think it's a different one. You think it's 00:15:42.460 --> 00:15:45.940 the same one? We don't know. And it chases them 00:15:45.940 --> 00:15:50.419 around. And Lucas decides to... First of all, 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.820 why does Brenner take a step towards the stupid 00:15:52.820 --> 00:15:58.340 Demogorgon? Do you know? I have to imagine that 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:03.399 it's, like, ego, essentially. Where he's like, 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:07.059 I am in control here. Yeah. Kind of a situation. 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.950 Where he's like... Maybe he thinks somehow he 00:16:10.950 --> 00:16:14.490 has control over the Demogorgon that he, because 00:16:14.490 --> 00:16:17.429 that's like, that was kind of my read on it from 00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:20.649 the beginning, not knowing anything, you know, 00:16:20.649 --> 00:16:25.590 in future seasons, but just on this, it almost 00:16:25.590 --> 00:16:28.309 seems like Brunner kind of thinks of the Demogorgon 00:16:28.309 --> 00:16:33.669 as like his discovery, his like pet tool, whatever 00:16:33.669 --> 00:16:35.669 you want to, whatever creepy thing you want to 00:16:35.669 --> 00:16:39.070 think. And that he's almost like, hey, like, 00:16:39.129 --> 00:16:42.190 you belong to me, and this is the, like, pet 00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:45.669 turning on its master type of situation. Which, 00:16:45.710 --> 00:16:49.350 like, in this season... He's never seen it. Yeah, 00:16:49.529 --> 00:16:51.490 but, like, in this season, we don't necessarily 00:16:51.490 --> 00:16:54.370 know that. We don't necessarily know how much 00:16:54.370 --> 00:16:58.110 contact he has or has not had with the upside 00:16:58.110 --> 00:17:01.990 down. Yeah. And that he sent Elle to go find 00:17:01.990 --> 00:17:06.920 it. Yeah. So, we don't know... enough about like 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.039 his relationship with the upside down and the 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.059 inhabitants they're in. So it could, from me 00:17:13.059 --> 00:17:17.799 watching it, I was like, I could see how when 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.460 you're seeing it without any of the further story, 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:26.359 you're almost like, Oh, did he like do this? 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.900 Yeah. Yeah. I wonder too, if it's his scientific 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:33.859 curiosity, just taking over. He's like, Whoa. 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.200 Oh God. Yeah. So that's interesting. So then 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.720 the Demogorgon, you know, is chasing down the 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:42.539 kids for a second. It enters the room. Lucas 00:17:42.539 --> 00:17:45.440 shoots it with his little slingshot, which is 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:50.200 stupid. And then Eleven takes it out, is right 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.500 up against it, starts using her telekinesis to, 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.079 like, disintegrate it, but also send it into 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.559 the Upside Down like she did Vecna. But also 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.579 we see in Season 2 that she also ends up in the 00:18:01.579 --> 00:18:04.299 Upside Down, and she completely disappears. But 00:18:04.299 --> 00:18:06.339 we're not really sure why. Like, there's a lot 00:18:06.339 --> 00:18:08.700 of questions around this moment. It's very fishy, 00:18:08.900 --> 00:18:11.779 yeah. It's really fishy. It's really, like, almost 00:18:11.779 --> 00:18:15.819 absurdly fishy for the world building. But we 00:18:15.819 --> 00:18:18.700 do know that it looks visually stunning. Because 00:18:18.700 --> 00:18:21.740 they give her all those dark blood vessels sort 00:18:21.740 --> 00:18:24.000 of starting to pop out around her eyes. She gets 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.339 all dark and focused and she looks like evil 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.099 almost while she's doing it. And it's that wonderful 00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:31.319 combination that this show has of innocence and 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.369 evil put together. And the unexpected. And it's 00:18:34.369 --> 00:18:36.650 just this, it's like a microcosm of what makes 00:18:36.650 --> 00:18:40.089 this show work so well. And she's forcing this 00:18:40.089 --> 00:18:42.710 thing to go through the wall into the upside 00:18:42.710 --> 00:18:44.730 down slash disintegrate. But we're not really 00:18:44.730 --> 00:18:47.569 sure. But it's just, it's a great, it's a great 00:18:47.569 --> 00:18:49.970 moment. And those are our three storylines. Yes, 00:18:49.970 --> 00:18:53.549 indeed, indeed. So, keep your finger on the pause 00:18:53.549 --> 00:18:58.529 button. Rewind that tape. It's time for the prestige 00:18:58.529 --> 00:19:02.799 category. For what did we notice on this? Watch 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.119 through. We've mentioned this a couple times, 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.000 so I won't belabor the point, but Brenner is 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:08.500 completely uninterested in the deaths of the 00:19:08.500 --> 00:19:11.440 civilians. He really only truly wants 11. As 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.599 noted, six people, so there's like the two people 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:17.839 from the hunting, his son, Barb, Will, and then 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.599 some other person that I'm missing at the moment. 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.099 Hopper's storyline, as mentioned in all the episodes, 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.119 is I think the reason why this show works so 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.440 well for adults. They can hold onto his backstory 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.200 and his reasonableness and just everything. We 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.140 both have the same observation here, which I'll 00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:39.940 let you take. Egg, egg, egg, egg, egg. Egg, egg, 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:45.500 egg, egg. Ah! Rewatching this, I have seen Alien 00:19:45.500 --> 00:19:49.019 in between the first time that I watched Stranger 00:19:49.019 --> 00:19:53.079 Things and this time of watching Stranger Things. 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:59.519 Growing babies in humans. So, you know, with... 00:19:59.900 --> 00:20:03.240 The whole, you were saying, we get to this as 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.839 well, but what's that tube doing in Will? Yeah. 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:11.279 Growing babies. Maybe. That was my initial thought. 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.779 But then we get season three, but then we get 00:20:14.779 --> 00:20:19.380 season three and the tube is turning them into 00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:23.960 Flayed. Yeah. So it's something in that realm 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:28.670 of it's either... doing the flay thing now um 00:20:28.670 --> 00:20:33.130 before the plans of creating a flayed army um 00:20:33.130 --> 00:20:39.029 or it's growing i mean for lack of a better term 00:20:39.029 --> 00:20:41.930 alien babies but okay so here's the problem that 00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:43.789 i have with the egg because i don't think it 00:20:43.789 --> 00:20:46.730 stays consistent for future episodes we see dart 00:20:46.730 --> 00:20:50.529 in season two little little itty bitty guy That 00:20:50.529 --> 00:20:52.569 egg's way too big for the little itty bitty guy. 00:20:52.630 --> 00:20:54.210 So is it just multiples of the little itty bitty 00:20:54.210 --> 00:20:56.650 guys and an egg? But also, that egg isn't inside 00:20:56.650 --> 00:20:59.529 a human. So is this egg a totally different creature 00:20:59.529 --> 00:21:02.069 than we've seen? Is that egg the thing that birthed 00:21:02.069 --> 00:21:04.450 the spider that is the shadow creature? Like, 00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:07.650 what is the egg? I don't know. But it is egg. 00:21:07.849 --> 00:21:10.390 It is egg. Egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg, egg. 00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:14.859 How on earth is Will alive is what I put. He's 00:21:14.859 --> 00:21:17.460 just got this tube. I don't know. It does feel 00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:19.839 like flayed baby things, because it seems like 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.960 an umbilical cord for a kid, but just in the 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.920 mouth and nose. How is he getting oxygen? Also, 00:21:26.059 --> 00:21:29.880 it's been like a week. He's had no food. But 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.200 he hasn't been... No water. How is he lying? 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.740 I don't know. Sweat. He's drinking his sweat 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:41.650 from running. I don't know. I don't know. I don't 00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:43.269 understand. He's reaching into the liminal space 00:21:43.269 --> 00:21:47.170 and drinking the water off the ground. He's going 00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:49.509 into El's purgatory and just cupping some water. 00:21:52.690 --> 00:21:55.329 That's funny. I don't know. See, that also brings 00:21:55.329 --> 00:22:00.549 up, like, the whole, like, it's a mirror situation. 00:22:00.990 --> 00:22:04.769 Because Castle Byers exists in the Upside Down 00:22:04.769 --> 00:22:09.650 as well. Which, like, Vecna wouldn't have known 00:22:09.650 --> 00:22:15.410 about. So, like, if he had supplies in Castle 00:22:15.410 --> 00:22:19.650 Byers, is there an upside -down supplies store? 00:22:19.890 --> 00:22:21.529 Yeah, that's a good point, but then would they 00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:24.289 be spoiled? Unless it's, like, bottled water? 00:22:24.670 --> 00:22:26.789 Like, are there Eggos everywhere in the upside 00:22:26.789 --> 00:22:30.930 -down? I don't know. And also, one thing for 00:22:30.930 --> 00:22:32.970 water, though, is that the rivers might exist. 00:22:33.230 --> 00:22:34.829 So any of the creeks and stuff, he might have 00:22:34.829 --> 00:22:36.569 been able to go to and drink there. So I take 00:22:36.569 --> 00:22:39.170 that one back, but... And he does seem like he's 00:22:39.170 --> 00:22:41.549 fading away when the monster finds him at the 00:22:41.549 --> 00:22:44.650 end of season seven. Okay. I get that. That's 00:22:44.650 --> 00:22:48.849 fine. Here's a big question for you and all of 00:22:48.849 --> 00:22:52.470 our audience. Okay. Is Steve's redemption arc 00:22:52.470 --> 00:22:54.549 better than Zuko's? I'm talking about Avatar 00:22:54.549 --> 00:22:56.049 The Last Airbender for listeners who don't know. 00:22:56.049 --> 00:22:58.430 Yeah. Which has an amazing... This is spoilers. 00:22:58.609 --> 00:23:01.450 Well, the show's over 10 years old. Nice. But 00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:03.890 it is a bit of a spoiler. There's a great character 00:23:03.890 --> 00:23:05.390 in that show called Zuko. He has an excellent 00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:08.740 redemption arc. But like... I so easily have 00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:12.420 forgiven Steve as soon as he starts to wash the 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:15.579 marquee with starring Nancy the Slut Wheeler. 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.740 And then when he comes back, I'm like instantly 00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:20.920 in. And that was true the first season regardless 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:25.359 of me. And so I'm like, is this redemption arc 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.720 more effective? So here's the thing. Yeah. Steve 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.279 doesn't have quite as much to redeem. That's 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:39.420 true. As Zuko. Yeah, Zuko's done a lot by the 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.440 point of his redemption. Yeah. For a long time. 00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:46.380 Yeah. And he's been really working on it. And 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:49.259 he also has a really rough backstory to overcome 00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:54.420 as well. So I feel like it's just... I don't 00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:57.640 know that it's necessarily better. I just... 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.940 It does blow me away how quickly... That's my 00:24:00.940 --> 00:24:04.019 point. I am like... Steve! Because that's the 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:07.750 thing. I'm like... Wow, I forgot we, like, actually 00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:11.769 hate Steve. Yeah. Like, he's horrible for a little 00:24:11.769 --> 00:24:14.470 bit. He's awful. And then I'm like, wait, how 00:24:14.470 --> 00:24:18.670 do we love him so much going forward? And then 00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:20.529 all of a sudden I'm like, wait, I already love 00:24:20.529 --> 00:24:24.250 him. What's going on? So, I also don't think 00:24:24.250 --> 00:24:26.190 that it's better than Zuko's redemption arc. 00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:29.230 I think that whole season three of Zuko's redemption 00:24:29.230 --> 00:24:31.730 and him turning and being more of his mother 00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:34.849 than his father is really good. However, I am 00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:40.970 surprised at how highly ranked this Steve's redemption 00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:45.369 is for me because I do absolutely hate him. I 00:24:45.369 --> 00:24:47.630 hate everything about him. He's awful to Nancy. 00:24:47.869 --> 00:24:50.809 He's manipulative. He's a big bully. He's completely 00:24:50.809 --> 00:24:53.549 unsatisfying as a romantic partner for Nancy. 00:24:53.690 --> 00:24:56.309 His callous attitude towards them after they 00:24:56.309 --> 00:24:58.849 sleep together. Of not recognizing, you know, 00:24:58.869 --> 00:25:00.650 this is her first time. She needs to be taken 00:25:00.650 --> 00:25:03.869 care of and nurtured and helped along. It's just 00:25:03.869 --> 00:25:06.930 that selfish teenageness. That selfish teenage 00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:09.549 boyness about him. I'm like, this guy's terrible. 00:25:09.789 --> 00:25:12.250 And then, like, he just wants to help and he 00:25:12.250 --> 00:25:15.849 washes the marquee. And it's amazing. And then 00:25:15.849 --> 00:25:18.630 I'm totally, I just totally hooked mine and sicker 00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:20.829 bought. I still don't like Nancy with him, but 00:25:20.829 --> 00:25:23.859 I'm in for him as a character. and that's it's 00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:26.660 just amazing speaking of nancy her and jonathan's 00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:31.339 love story is really so believable yeah i it's 00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:34.259 it's entirely 80s cliche and yet i don't it doesn't 00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:40.579 feel cliche it it's so good oh i really think 00:25:40.579 --> 00:25:43.000 that it makes a lot of sense just with the way 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.240 that they come together and how they kind of 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.059 bond just over this intense situation that they 00:25:49.059 --> 00:25:53.039 find themselves in and then from there they just 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.559 start finding the common ground and whatnot. 00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:58.619 And yeah, it definitely flows very, very well 00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:03.660 and doesn't feel forced. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.059 Nancy fires the gun. I think too many times. 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.880 I think there's only six shots in that revolver. 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.160 Revolver. Yeah. That would make sense for a revolver. 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.279 And she shoots it like nine times. And this is 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.039 just my inner Archer. I usually count. Yeah. 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.140 I usually count, especially with rollers. Maybe 00:26:20.140 --> 00:26:22.890 it's an eight shot revolver, but I, I'm pretty 00:26:22.890 --> 00:26:24.609 sure she's out of shots there. And that's, like, 00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:27.829 Archer, the cartoon, has just trained me so much 00:26:27.829 --> 00:26:30.509 into, like, hey, how many shots does that gun 00:26:30.509 --> 00:26:35.430 have? Yeah. Okay. Then, we've talked a little 00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:37.329 bit about this, but my biggest question is, why 00:26:37.329 --> 00:26:39.950 does the upside -down mirror Hawkins? We talked 00:26:39.950 --> 00:26:42.829 about this last episode. But I just, like, I 00:26:42.829 --> 00:26:45.009 don't... I know it's different dimensions, and 00:26:45.009 --> 00:26:46.910 so if there's an infinite amount of dimensions, 00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:49.690 there's bound to be one that's, like, a rotten, 00:26:49.769 --> 00:26:55.130 decayed thing. Mm -hmm. But, like, why? Yeah. 00:26:55.269 --> 00:26:58.150 I think that it's supposed to be because it's 00:26:58.150 --> 00:27:01.069 just, like, a parallel universe. So it's existing 00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:08.170 in tangent, but it's, like, a dark version. That's 00:27:08.170 --> 00:27:11.369 the best answer that I can come up with. So is 00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:13.250 there, like, a Teletubby version, too? And then, 00:27:13.289 --> 00:27:17.130 like... It's just, like, there's a positive version. 00:27:17.450 --> 00:27:21.180 And there's heaven and hell, too. I just... I 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.619 want to know the answer to that so bad. Yeah. 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.099 I think it's just that it's a twisted... It's 00:27:28.099 --> 00:27:31.039 just a twisted version of reality. Yeah. Yeah, 00:27:31.099 --> 00:27:33.579 but, like, if they build a new store, does that 00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:36.599 store get created down there? I just don't get 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.059 it. I mean, I feel like it has to. Yeah. Okay. 00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:42.839 Because they build Castle Buyers, and then Castle 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.000 Buyers exists, and... Yeah, that's true. The 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.039 next question is, so Will destroys Castle Dyers. 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.859 Is Castle Dyers gone? It's gone down there, too. 00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:55.519 It must be. How can the Demogorgon open its own 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.640 portal and go for people in high school? We talked 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.519 about that one. How? Yeah, for the tree as well. 00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:04.000 I just don't understand. Yeah, for the tree, 00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:08.160 yeah. The rift that El created weakened the worlds, 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.559 and so it can open its own with its Demogorgon 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.119 magic? Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand. 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:17.769 We talked about this too. What is the tube doing 00:28:17.769 --> 00:28:22.109 in Will? Maybe Flayed. Maybe something more specific. 00:28:22.170 --> 00:28:24.069 I'm not sure. Because Barb doesn't have a tube 00:28:24.069 --> 00:28:27.089 in her. Barb's just like eating. Yeah, Barb's 00:28:27.089 --> 00:28:34.809 just dead. Cue the overmark. Dun dun dun. We 00:28:34.809 --> 00:28:38.430 talk about this a lot over the last two episodes. 00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:42.569 The inconsistency in Elle's like how fatigued 00:28:42.569 --> 00:28:44.980 she is. Why is she almost dying after squishing 00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.079 a bunch of brains? But, like, she can lift a 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.279 human 500 feet out of the air and place them 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.099 back down safely with very little effort. Yeah, 00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:58.940 it's a lot. She does a lot, and then she, like, 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.059 almost dies, but then somehow has more power, 00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:03.220 and then somehow has enough power to take out 00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:08.359 the Demogorgon. Has enough, yeah. It's very confusing, 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.410 for sure. Uh, using the slingshot is just plain 00:29:11.410 --> 00:29:13.490 stupid. I really, like, they should be hiding. 00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:17.589 Yeah. Or running. Oh, 100%. Or trying to get 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.009 out the window. Like, I feel like they're all 00:29:20.009 --> 00:29:23.029 smart enough to know that Lucas is, they're all 00:29:23.029 --> 00:29:24.849 old enough to know that Lucas' slingshot is not 00:29:24.849 --> 00:29:26.390 gonna work. This feels like a six -year -old 00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:28.970 move, not a 12 -year -old move. Yeah, I'd agree. 00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:32.730 For sure. But, I mean, it is, it is a nice callback 00:29:32.730 --> 00:29:34.720 to... Mike being like, what are you going to 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:35.900 do with that slingshot? Are you going to shoot 00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:38.079 it? And they're like, yeah, I am. And then that 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.859 moment of him using the third shot and then doing 00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:42.799 the slow motion and then the Demogorgon getting 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.460 blasted backwards and it's actually just L is 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:49.019 a pretty awesome moment. I don't know if you 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:53.779 noticed this, but Eleven's eyes glow a dark red 00:29:53.779 --> 00:29:57.700 when she first uses her moves against the Demogorgon. 00:29:58.099 --> 00:30:01.759 It's not a reflection? No. A reflection of what? 00:30:01.819 --> 00:30:03.720 They are... They're a completely different color 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.980 than any other thing in that room. It's something 00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:09.680 I had not noticed until this episode, and I had 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.980 to pause and be like, am I seeing this correctly? 00:30:12.140 --> 00:30:15.140 And it is. They're just straight up red. Do you 00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:20.319 have any idea why that would be? I mean, wow. 00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:26.960 I'm literally drawing a blank on potential. Because 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.869 I just thought it was like... Kind of like a 00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:32.470 reflection. Of like whatever was happening. With 00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:35.089 the Demogorgon. Was like reflecting back. With 00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:37.490 like the power that she was exuding. And then 00:30:37.490 --> 00:30:43.089 the rift. Because the. The port. Sorry the gate 00:30:43.089 --> 00:30:49.490 between. Us and the upside down. Is red. And 00:30:49.490 --> 00:30:52.589 like glows that color. So that I always thought. 00:30:52.690 --> 00:30:55.390 That it was like. Because she's pushing it back 00:30:55.390 --> 00:30:59.160 through. That it. was reflecting back on her 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.039 and it was more of a reflection not that her 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.900 eyes were actually exuding that color but that 00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:08.720 that um besides her being potentially bloodshot 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.880 yeah no and it's not that either it's her irises 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.279 around the eyes are like this sort of brownish 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.359 dark brownish red they're completely different 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.000 color than what they've been before and maybe 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.920 it's just like a little you know color theory 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.960 in order to make the scene work correctly but 00:31:24.690 --> 00:31:27.390 It is interesting, and it made me have to go 00:31:27.390 --> 00:31:30.869 and look at Vecna's eye colors as well. But his 00:31:30.869 --> 00:31:35.289 eyes are blue. Straight up blue. So I'm not really 00:31:35.289 --> 00:31:37.910 sure what's going on there or why. And it seems 00:31:37.910 --> 00:31:42.450 to have been just a that moment scene. So interesting. 00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:49.619 Yeah, so my next question. So when we're in the 00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:53.200 Upside Down, Hopper and Joyce are in the Upside 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.680 Down looking for Will. They come across like 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.420 a stuffed tiger. Yeah. And Hop picks it up and 00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:06.799 then has one of his flashbacks to his daughter 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:12.420 with the stuffed tiger. Yeah. And it just seemed 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:16.839 odd. Like, I'm sure Hopper has seen. plenty of 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.539 stuffed tigers since his daughter passed away. 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:26.019 And so why is this so important? It just seems 00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:28.940 like, do they have the exact same tiger? Is there 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:32.960 something, is this her tiger that is somehow 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.299 reflected in the upside down? It seemed like 00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:40.089 it was a little bit more. of a stronger moment 00:32:40.089 --> 00:32:42.690 than just like there just happens to be another 00:32:42.690 --> 00:32:45.430 stuffed animal that looks similar to the one 00:32:45.430 --> 00:32:50.069 that she had um so that that kind of confused 00:32:50.069 --> 00:32:53.170 me um and i was like well maybe there's something 00:32:53.170 --> 00:32:55.450 like with her death that connected her to the 00:32:55.450 --> 00:32:59.069 upside down but i could i was like i don't think 00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:01.390 that that's the case so i think that's a really 00:33:01.390 --> 00:33:04.589 interesting thought i think They kind of poo 00:33:04.589 --> 00:33:06.549 -pooed that in the extra materials, and I don't 00:33:06.549 --> 00:33:08.750 remember where this is. It may even be in the 00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:11.069 show, and I've just forgotten. But it's explained 00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:16.069 at some point that Sarah's death is due to Hopper's 00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:20.309 military involvement. So Hopper in Vietnam is 00:33:20.309 --> 00:33:22.950 using Agent Orange a lot and inhaling it without 00:33:22.950 --> 00:33:25.910 masks, not knowing the dangers of Agent Orange. 00:33:26.349 --> 00:33:28.789 And it makes a lot of, and this is true in real 00:33:28.789 --> 00:33:30.750 life, it made a lot of Vietnam vets who used 00:33:30.750 --> 00:33:32.779 it infertile. And so they thought he couldn't 00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:34.180 have children, and then lo and behold, they have 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:37.119 Sarah, but she develops this illness that she 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.079 has, and I believe it's cancer, because of his, 00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:47.460 like, chemicalized seed, essentially. So that's 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:50.660 her death. It's the sort of after effects of 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:53.279 chemicalized warfare going to extremes that the 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.460 U .S. brings in with Agent Orange. And so I think 00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:01.380 this is, like, just... Maybe a little thick visual, 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.339 you know, symbolism of trying to connect Hopper 00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:07.460 so invested in Will and one of the reasons is 00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:09.980 he couldn't save his own child. And I think that's 00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:11.840 all that's coming out of this. Plus, the tiger 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.480 is the school mascot. We see that, like, very 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.019 shortly after with the kids and the, in the gym 00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:19.679 and there's the big tiger. Yeah. So I think that 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.880 this is just, like, a thing that he got his kid 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.480 because he likes Hawkins, you know. Yeah. That 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.119 sort of thing. Speaking of Sarah. Every time 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.059 I see Sarah dying and Will coming back to life 00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:34.840 sequence, it really gets me. Oh, yeah. It's very 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.460 impactful. Hopper losing his daughter and hugging 00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:42.400 his wife. And then Joyce's relief when Will starts 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.800 breathing again. And then Hopper sort of, like, 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.340 he feels two seconds after he does this, he feels 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:51.320 like he imposes on that family moment. Because 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.260 he's there and suddenly they're like a family 00:34:53.260 --> 00:34:55.639 unit. And then he's like, oh, I should get this 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.659 mask for this kid. And I'm not actually the dad. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.900 And like, it's just, it's just a phenomenal sequence. 00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:04.880 Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good. And then Will is 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.039 such a lovely child. He's so sweet. He's immediately 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.199 concerned about Jonathan's hand. I know. And 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.380 I'm like, you just went through hell for a week. 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.059 And your first thought is, what did you do to 00:35:20.059 --> 00:35:23.119 your hand? Are you okay? You okay? It's amazing. 00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:28.750 sweetie um i will say mike promising 11 hey you 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:31.250 can stay in my basement or you can stay in my 00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:32.429 room and i can take the basement because i'm 00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:34.050 down there all the time and you'll get this an 00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:36.389 actual bed and clothes and they'll be like your 00:35:36.389 --> 00:35:39.030 mom and your sister and then i'll be your romantic 00:35:39.030 --> 00:35:41.929 partner and here's your new life and we're gonna 00:35:41.929 --> 00:35:45.070 get to it that's actually a very good like i 00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:48.230 don't know it's a very good mike moment of him 00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:51.530 being caring And it's also very serious, hairy 00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:58.789 Prisoner of Azkaban. Yeah, it really is. It very, 00:35:58.789 --> 00:36:00.889 very much is. But yeah, I mean, Mike does have 00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:03.570 a good moment here because he understands that 00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:06.230 like, this is probably what she needs slash wants 00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:09.989 is to not have to be in hiding, to have a family, 00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:13.409 to feel like she belongs, to be able to stay 00:36:13.409 --> 00:36:18.550 with her friends that she's now made. And yeah. 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:23.920 like stay close and whatnot. So it's very sweet. 00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:29.940 That is, it's very sweet. And then the biggest 00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.260 question of all, I know Steve looks great in 00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:35.300 a sweater. I know he's got good hair. I know 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.820 that he's an attractive man, especially to Nancy. 00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:44.699 But why, Sierra, is she still with him and not 00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:49.880 with Jonathan? Okay. I have two. factors okay 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:58.619 here one sweater and hair she no no one is that 00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:02.960 he did come back to apologize and then stayed 00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.940 and fought came in at the last second slinging 00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:10.519 did a good job integrated himself into the situation 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.840 that they were in and so she's giving him another 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.110 chance the second part is denial of her feelings 00:37:21.110 --> 00:37:25.030 for jonathan yeah okay so she stays with steve 00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:27.809 she doesn't have to confront potentially confusing 00:37:27.809 --> 00:37:30.409 feelings about jonathan for at least a few more 00:37:30.409 --> 00:37:35.309 months okay it's fine i understand you know it's 00:37:35.309 --> 00:37:37.130 really interesting because at the end of season 00:37:37.130 --> 00:37:40.110 four they're setting up this love triangle again 00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:44.389 for season five because nancy's been with c for 00:37:44.389 --> 00:37:48.340 most of season four and Jonathan has been avoiding 00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:50.039 her and they've been maybe going to break up 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.159 and they don't know where they're going to go 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.440 to college. And then Jonathan gets back and he's 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.739 like, better than Steve, right? And Nancy's like, 00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:57.880 he's not as bad as you think anymore. And it's 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.739 like, oh no, we're back to the sort of same thing 00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:02.460 that we were doing in season one. But I get it 00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:07.579 then. Yeah. Like, Steve is thoughtful, is considerate, 00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:10.280 has been a great babysitter, is well beloved 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.639 by Dustin, who Nancy even... enough to dance 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.559 with at the snowball or whatever. And says, of 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.500 all of my brother's friends, you're my favorite. 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.920 You're my favorite. And so if Dustin approves, 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.239 maybe Steve isn't such a bad guy. I get it all 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.960 then. But at the very end here, part of me was 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.699 like, is she just trying to not break up during 00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:35.300 the holidays? Like, oh, I can't do this during 00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:40.719 Christmas. It's too close. No, I gotta wait for 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.940 the next big holiday. Halloween next year. Halloween 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:49.639 next year! That's so true. Anyways, it's stupid. 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.719 It's fine. But you know what, Sam? You don't 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.119 always have to face down a horde of angry soldiers 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.199 by yourself. Buckle up, Schmisseners. It is time 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.099 for our Sansa is Smarter Than John category for 00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:06.880 most important character moment of this Okay, 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.260 first of all - We have the same thing, essentially. 00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.860 Yes, we do. It's Hopper. Yep. Coming to terms 00:39:12.860 --> 00:39:16.960 with Sarah's death while reviving Will, saving 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.920 Will. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's the 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.739 most important. He, like, is able to do what 00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.519 he couldn't do for Sarah. He saves Will. He brings 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.159 him back. Yep. Boom. That's the most important 00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.159 character moment. That is Hopper's, like, he 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.960 has a complete arc in this episode. And that's 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.309 one of the reasons why - It's, you know, sometimes 00:39:35.309 --> 00:39:37.670 people have a complaint about, well, what's going 00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:39.670 on with Hopper in seasons two, three or four? 00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:42.369 Because his arc isn't as good. And it's like, 00:39:42.449 --> 00:39:46.829 yeah, he's the single best arc of season one. 00:39:46.909 --> 00:39:50.170 You're not topping that. Yeah. He did the work. 00:39:50.309 --> 00:39:54.170 Let him enjoy. Let him enjoy the work. And, you 00:39:54.170 --> 00:39:55.869 know, now he's going to have this work as a dad 00:39:55.869 --> 00:39:58.510 and then as a romantic partner and all of this 00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:01.440 stuff. But yeah. His arc is just incredible in 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.380 season one. And it's my favorite part of the 00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:04.800 show. And I think this is the most important 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.079 character moment. But I know you just lost a 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.739 hand, Sierra. But listen up. Because it's the 00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:14.239 I am your father category for most iconic character 00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.880 moment. Not important. Iconic. And again, we 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.400 have the same thing. Will spitting up the slug. 00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:26.460 And then flashing back to the upside down. Flashing 00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:33.389 back. Flashing sideways. The now memories. The 00:40:33.389 --> 00:40:36.969 now memories. It brings up so many questions 00:40:36.969 --> 00:40:40.250 about is Will special? Yes. But it is the most 00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:42.469 iconic because he throws up the slug, it slides 00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:44.670 down the sink, and then he like drowns it with 00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:47.849 the water. But while that water's running, lightning, 00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:52.050 lightning noises. Boom. He's in the sink in the 00:40:52.050 --> 00:40:53.829 upside down. And it's like, wait, does he have 00:40:53.829 --> 00:40:55.869 this ability or is somebody else doing this? 00:40:55.909 --> 00:40:59.440 Right. Exactly. Very interesting. Very interesting. 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.599 Everybody sit down. It's time for our I am Iron 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.840 Man. Most iconic and most important scene category. 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.679 Okay. I have an honorable mention for Hopper's 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.480 CPRing Will. With that whole sequence of Sarah 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.760 and Hopper and Joyce. It's both iconic and it's 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.460 important. It is not, however, as... hugely important 00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:30.820 for the ramifications of preparing you all for 00:41:30.820 --> 00:41:35.400 season five. Right. As Eleven killing Demogorgon. 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.800 Yes. It mirrors. So first of all, she's holding 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.400 the Demogorgon. She's pushing it up against the 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.820 chalkboard. It disintegrates and then she disappears. 00:41:44.260 --> 00:41:46.480 And she goes in. We don't know where she goes. 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.860 We know that Hopper is dropping off food somewhere 00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:52.019 and is that Eleven's entry music I hear. But 00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:55.460 we don't know. where she goes. So it looks like 00:41:55.460 --> 00:41:58.059 she disintegrates the Demogorgon and vanishes 00:41:58.059 --> 00:42:01.519 herself. This mirrors as well the way that she 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.139 banishes Vecna to the Upside Down in Season 4. 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.559 Where, you know, she pins him up against the 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.360 board and she opens the portal for the first 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.679 time, but it doesn't stay open. And he gets banished 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.599 and then he gets disfigured a la Palpatine style 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.599 and then meets Shadow Monster thing, etc. So 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.000 I think that there's just a ton of information 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.989 in there. How does she disintegrate it? Did it 00:42:24.989 --> 00:42:27.269 go back to the upside down or did she actually 00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:29.429 just like tear it to pieces? Why did she end 00:42:29.429 --> 00:42:32.150 up in the upside down? Like I, it's huge. There's 00:42:32.150 --> 00:42:36.269 huge questions. Yeah. That is a lot. And definitely 00:42:36.269 --> 00:42:40.090 that wins for most iconic, most important. Yeah, 00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:44.590 certainly. Crack open an encyclopedia. It's time 00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:48.210 for our, as Elijah Wood once said, no, how could 00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:51.280 we have known? category, where we discuss the 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:52.980 most important information disseminated to the 00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:57.159 fandom during this Season 1 finale. To me, it's 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.079 Will is held, for some reason, in the Upside 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.360 Down. Now, it may be Babies, it may be Flare, 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.219 but we don't know. But it is for a purpose. Yeah. 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.639 Barb doesn't have that tube. Will does. He's 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.099 kept alive. By what? Is the Demogorgon doing 00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:18.039 that? Is it Vecna? Don't know. Don't know. Need 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.230 to find out. What is going on with Will? What 00:43:21.230 --> 00:43:22.969 is going on? But it is important information 00:43:22.969 --> 00:43:25.690 because it keeps that question going. It is interesting 00:43:25.690 --> 00:43:29.010 to me, too, that season four with all the Vecna 00:43:29.010 --> 00:43:32.210 stuff made everybody go, wait, what was going 00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:34.510 on with Will? Like, there were questions murmuring 00:43:34.510 --> 00:43:36.449 in the fandom about what was going on with Will. 00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:38.889 But season four, everyone was like, wait a second. 00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:43.130 Hold on a minute. What was going on with Will 00:43:43.130 --> 00:43:49.440 Byers? Yeah, very good questions. Well, it's 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.519 time to keep your horses safe. It's the, I'm 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.460 gonna make him an offer he can't refuse, category 00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:59.840 of best lines. Okay, there's one. It's interesting, 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.019 because season eight, or season eight, episode 00:44:02.019 --> 00:44:04.059 eight doesn't really have that many killer lines. 00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:07.300 No. I mean, you could be like, Moments. Moments, 00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:12.239 absolutely. Sequences. Sequences. Visuals. The 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.760 episode in its whole self? Yes. It's great. The 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.739 episode wins. So, like, there's not, like, a 00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:23.139 mouth breathers or, oh, did I say O 'Bannon? 00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:27.619 Punch. No. But, and there isn't even, like, Mr. 00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:29.940 Clark really in it. And he has some great choice 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:33.400 lines. So, for me, it goes to Dustin. Where he 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.679 and Lucas are raiding the chocolate pudding. 00:44:37.820 --> 00:44:41.239 And he goes, found it! I knew she was hoarding 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.579 it. Knew it. Always lying, saying she's out. 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:50.119 Bald -faced liar. It's a very, like, Gollum -esque. 00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:57.639 Like, she was hoarding it. I knew it. Lying. 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.059 She had it. She had it the whole time. Mine, 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:07.320 my own, my pudding. My precious pudding. My precious 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.559 pudding. None of us are doing the Gollum voice, 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:10.960 but it's fine. We all know who we're talking 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.320 about. Not at all. We're just trying not to get 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.179 sued over here. Yeah, please don't. That's so 00:45:16.179 --> 00:45:21.719 funny. Oh my gosh. Dust off that card deck, Sierra, 00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.159 and get ready to shuffle. It's our Joker category. 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.039 For who's the MVP of this episode? And you've 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:34.460 got... I have a tie between Elle and Hop. Eleven 00:45:34.460 --> 00:45:37.420 for killing a Demogorgon. Killing the blonde. 00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:44.400 And muscling her way way past exhausted in order 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.400 to make all of this happen. Saving the day. And 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:52.860 then Hop for saving Will. Making deals with the 00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:55.980 devil. I mean, the government. And for personal 00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:59.679 growth. He goes through it. As we said, he goes 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:05.139 through it. Honorable mention goes to Steve. 00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:07.820 The hair. For coming in with the save and the 00:46:07.820 --> 00:46:20.940 apology, good use of Negan Bat. Negan Bat! If 00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:27.019 nobody has seen the best friend sketch with Key 00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:29.420 and Peele about miscommunications over texting, 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.099 Keegan Michael Keyes also has a bat. Very similar 00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:39.019 to Steve Harrington at the end. Negan Bat is 00:46:39.019 --> 00:46:41.920 absolutely the name of that for all eternity, 00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:43.960 for any time that that comes up. It's like the 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.099 Wilhelm scream and the Negan Bat. Yes. And yes, 00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:50.519 yes, yes, don't at me. I know Negan's Bat is 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.659 technically barbed wire, not nails, but you know 00:46:52.659 --> 00:46:55.159 what I mean. You know what we mean. Same thing. 00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:01.619 Essentially. Essentially. So, I... The pound 00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:04.420 -for -pound screen time MVP argument for Steve 00:47:04.420 --> 00:47:07.340 is fairly strong. Especially when you throw in, 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.099 like, he also has an apology. Yeah. That's a 00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:13.320 strong argument. I think it ultimately, you know, 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.300 he does a lot of work, but that's still... Nancy 00:47:16.300 --> 00:47:18.780 and Jonathan seem more valuable to me in those 00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.559 scenes. Yeah, yeah. Because they, like, actually 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.780 get rid of it and have a plan. Eh. Hop, saving 00:47:23.780 --> 00:47:27.000 Will. But selling out Elle's location, I feel 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.300 like, is what the tiebreaker is. Okay. Also, 00:47:30.340 --> 00:47:34.400 Elle saves herself and the other three children. 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.480 So that's four people she saves. Hop saves one. 00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:45.199 Uh, uh. But how many does Eleven kill off -setting? 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.980 But they're all bad guys. If we're doing wins 00:47:47.980 --> 00:47:49.559 for one team or the other. But Hop wouldn't kill 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.539 anybody. Even if you're gonna give, like, partial 00:47:52.539 --> 00:47:57.019 credit. Even if each bad guy counts as 10 % of 00:47:57.019 --> 00:48:01.360 one. Hopper didn't kill anybody. That's true. 00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:05.099 But if it's basketball, Eleven's murders, while 00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:08.039 horrible, are still points for the good team. 00:48:11.139 --> 00:48:14.179 Oh, gosh. Even with serial killer vibes. I'm 00:48:14.179 --> 00:48:16.980 just saying, she wrecks hard on the front of 00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:21.139 saving and killing bad things. Oh, my gosh. Fair 00:48:21.139 --> 00:48:23.780 enough. To be fair, this podcast does not condone 00:48:23.780 --> 00:48:26.559 murder. We do believe Elle should have incapacitated. 00:48:27.070 --> 00:48:29.409 Like, disintegrating the Demogorgon's fine. But, 00:48:29.449 --> 00:48:32.789 like, the real human beings just, you know, incapacitate 00:48:32.789 --> 00:48:35.170 them in some way, shape, or form. Ugh. Yeah, 00:48:35.250 --> 00:48:39.190 I would say, to me, it's 11 in this one. Mm -hmm. 00:48:39.730 --> 00:48:42.190 Fair enough. And, to be fair, Hopper did win 00:48:42.190 --> 00:48:45.769 MVP on the first episode. Yes, he did. Fine. 00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:48.949 We'll spread the love. It's crazy that Mr. Clark 00:48:48.949 --> 00:48:58.039 is up there on the podium with them. Well, it 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.280 is time to clean up your evil lair and get ready 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:05.159 for our I was the turkey all along category for 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.380 what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave 00:49:08.380 --> 00:49:12.099 with in preparation for season five. We've been 00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:13.980 talking about it for this entire first season. 00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:16.940 Getting the intricacies of Eleven's power, how 00:49:16.940 --> 00:49:19.139 they work and what happens to show exactly how 00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:21.860 powerful she is, is, I think, one of the main 00:49:21.860 --> 00:49:24.159 takeaways. And, of course, the other main thing 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:25.920 that we've been talking about is for what purpose 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.099 is Will down there? What is going on in the gaps 00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:31.780 that we don't see? When he's running, when he's 00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:33.480 being chased by the Demogorgon, how does he get 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.440 away? What's special about him? Because very 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.739 shortly, we're about to see that Will develops 00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:42.159 a tick on the back of his neck when he sees the 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.960 big shadow monster. So what's happened here? 00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:47.639 I think those are the two things in preparation 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.679 for season five that you all should be speculating 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.539 about, thinking about, trying to formulate your 00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:54.860 own plans and then having a great time as we 00:49:54.860 --> 00:49:57.179 learn this information. Today's public service 00:49:57.179 --> 00:50:00.579 announcement is when encountering odd creatures 00:50:00.579 --> 00:50:02.760 in a parallel world, make sure to cover your 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.980 mouth lest an egg be laid inside you. Please, 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.159 please. We don't want to lose any listeners to 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.739 aliens exploding out of them in some way, shape 00:50:12.739 --> 00:50:17.429 or form. Or slugs coming up and being vomited 00:50:17.429 --> 00:50:20.670 into a sink. Yeah. Even if they turn into adorable 00:50:20.670 --> 00:50:24.349 little darts. 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