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Welcome to Fandom Shmandom, the fandom podcast

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that covers everything you love and more. I'm

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Sierra Obermark. And I'm Sam Williams. Today's

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episode, we will be cringingly communicating

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about Stranger Things Season 1, Episodes 1 through

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4. And without further ado, we will, as Roger

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Smith says, dive on in. So, let's get up to 88,

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because it's time to travel back. to our story

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recap. Episode one, people. Episode one. Something

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is killing people in the Hawkins National Lab.

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But don't worry, because it's the nineteen friggin'

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eighties, and nothing can dampen our nostalgic

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mood. After playing D &D with Mike, Lucas, and

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Dustin, Will Byers runs into a mysterious creature

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and hides in a shed. Is that Vecta's soundtrack

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I'm listening to? Maybe. Will's mom, Joyce, and

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his brother, Jonathan, panic and contact Sheriff

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Hopper to look for, you guessed it, Will. Mike,

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Lucas, and Dustin, those are Will's friends if

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you've forgotten, go looking for Will and find,

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instead of Will, 11, not the number, but a person,

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walking in the rain. She's escaped from the lab

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and witnessed a murder in a burger shop. Oblivious

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to all of this is Nancy, Mike's older sister,

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who is neglecting her friend Barb and her studies.

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For some of that, Steve Harrington. Episode 2.

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Barb, the defender of chastity, can't quite convince

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Nancy not to go to Steve's. Hopper can't quite

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convince Jonathan not to go to his dad's in search

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of Will, and Mike, Lucas, and Dustin all can't

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quite convince Eleven to tell an adult about

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what's going on. She does, however, inform them

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that Will is on the other side of a board game,

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hiding from the Demogorgon. Curious. Hopper has

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gotten word of a little boy at his friend's burger

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place. Burger place. And he's starting to feel

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cursed as the amount of terribleness ramps up.

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Missing kid, suicide, and boy is he in for a

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rough couple of, well, years. Sorry, hop. Weeping

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Winona gets a bit of hope, however, as her son

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Will communicates via electricity from the other

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world as Jonathan photographs Nancy at Steve's

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house. He just barely misses Barb's abduction,

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and we end not knowing what has happened to the

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Defender of Chastity. But in episode three, Barb

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is dead. Cue the Obermark! Dun -dun -dun! Nancy,

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like so many before her, is rather disappointed

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in the aftermath of her first time. And Joyce

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thinks Will is speaking to her with... Her electricity

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again for the 15th time. Hopper rolls a 20 on

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his persuasion check and realizes the lab in

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Hawkins is maybe not all so nice, pure, and truthful.

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We get some flashbacks showing us Levin was essentially

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a lab rat and destroying some product placement.

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And everybody's favorite Joyce's Christmas lights

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go up! Which definitely doesn't look crazy. But

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it works. Will can speak to her now. Except Will

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is dead, as Mike, Levin, and the gang finds out

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when his body is fished out of the water. And

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Hopper does a little too much sleuthing. Episode

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four, Joyce is having none of it. None of it.

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But her story is absolutely crazy, except for

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the fact that it's all real. Eleven manages to

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prove to Mike that she wasn't lying by somehow

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getting Will on the radio in a way that you can

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hear Will sing, but you can't actually speak

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to him. But thank God for Hopper and Nancy. Hopper

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feels the heebie -jeebies with the buyer kid's

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death, and Nancy can tape photos back together.

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What do we find? A fake Will Byers and a tall

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humanoid monster in Jonathan's ripped -up photograph.

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Meanwhile, in L's flashback in the creepy monster

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lab rift thingy, monsters are ripping scientists

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to shreds. So that's fun. Indeed. But before

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we get to the nitty gritty schmitty, we welcome

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Oreo to provide vital information that we need

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to know. Welcome, Oreo. Give us that integral

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info. Sam and Sierra, do you copy? Right, perfect.

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Radiating in from England on the other side of

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the Atlantic, this is Aurelia, also known as

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Oreo. I have the lovely task of being the producer

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for this show and also for season one. I get

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to talk to you a little bit about Stranger Things

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books. If you, like me, didn't know, there were

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Stranger... things books, don't worry, that's

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what I'm here for, so I will just dive right

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in, as we have two weeks to cover today, and

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give you a little bit of the synopsis on what

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the key takeaways are for both of those books.

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In general, saying that right now, great books,

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I would recommend reading them if you get your

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hands on them, but also I will absolutely spoil

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stuff now for you, so. Without further ado, and

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in the spirit of getting you guys ready for Season

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5 of Stranger Things, let's dive in. So, first

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book I want to talk to you about is called Suspicious

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Minds. It is written by Gwenda Bond, and it takes

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place in 1969, predominantly. This is a prequel,

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as you can guess, and it delves into the backstory

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of Eleven's mother, Terry Ives, who we meet in

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this season of Stranger Things. and also the

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backstory of the experiments at Hawkins National

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Laboratory. It is basically the origins of Eleven's

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power, so we can see her mother Terry, how she

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gets introduced to the lab experiments, and how

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Dan, because Dr. Brenner, very much key figure

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in this book, learns that she is pregnant way

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before she does. chooses to continue his experiments

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on Terry and subsequently Eleven and also formulates

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the plan right then and there that no such opportunity

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is going to arrive again and this baby is absolutely

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his to raise in the lab. So it gives us a little

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bit insight on Dr. Brenner. It shows us that

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he's absolutely manipulative. He's using his

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power that he has by the government. to basically

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not only control Terry and her little study group,

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who do consider ditching the lab after they're

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finding out some of the more sketchy things that

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are happening, by basically threatening them

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that they will get kicked out of university,

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like he makes a deal with the university that

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this is now mandatory credit and they have to

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show up, but also he manipulates Terry specifically

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because he wants to get to Eleven. by ensuring

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that her boyfriend is being drafted for a Vietnam

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war. So he manipulates the draft and makes sure

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that Terry, who has no other family aside from

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her sister, who we do see in season one of Stranger

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Things, is basically completely alone, as much

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as he can fabricate that. There's no hold for

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her, no family to fall back on. Because we also

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learn that Terry's parents have died in an accident.

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So, aside from this being about Terry, this book

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takes place in the 60s, as I've already covered.

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So we get some, like, typical 60s setting moments.

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The Vietnam War, as I've already mentioned. The

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book starts out with covering the moon landing,

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so we see everyone following the moon landing

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and how big of a deal it actually was at the

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time. Woodstock. makes a little bit of an appearance.

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Terry herself doesn't go, but her boyfriend goes

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to Woodstock, so we get that moment in time as

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well. And, most excitingly for us as a fandom

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podcast, a fandom plays a key role in this book.

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I'm sure some of you have already guessed. Yes,

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it is The Lord of the Rings. So, The Lord of

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the Rings at that time has like a peak in America

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specifically. A lot of people discovering it,

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even though it's been out for a while. And it

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gets like a real big hype. So in this book, Terry

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gets introduced to it through her boyfriend,

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who basically is like, hey, read this, it's really

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good. And throughout the whole book, we see her

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like go through The Hobbit and then the three

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Lord of the Rings books. So it's quite interesting

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if you know The Lord of the Rings, how those

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moments are parallels to what's actually happening

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to Terry in the book. And also, in the spirit

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of fun names, she and her friend group who go

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to the lab and are involved in the experiments,

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they call themselves the Fellowship of the Lab.

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So that is a fun little call -out. Always nice

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to see those. Aside from that... more light -hearted

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moments. We also learn a little bit more about

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the experiments that take place at Hawkins lab.

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So we do obviously see in the show like sensory

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deprivation plays a key role as well as electroshock

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therapy, but also very much LSD is a key part

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here. And something that is getting mentioned

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is that Terry specifically is receiving blood

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transfusion, which we can suspect obviously isn't

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said. that this is from Henry Creel, one or Wechner,

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however you want to call him. So that Brenner

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obviously, because he knows at that point that

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she's pregnant, makes sure that Eleven gets influenced

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from early stages. So other than that, we learn

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a little bit more about Dr. Brenner. Nothing

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really to make him more likable. He sees himself

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as like a... the smartest person in the room

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type guy. Very driven, obviously, by his experiments,

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by scientific results. But also we see another

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child there throughout the eyes of Terry, which

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is number eight, or Callie, which we do meet

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in the show as well, but as a grown -up. And

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it's quite interesting because Callie refuses

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to be called number eight. And we sort of see

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through Dr. Brenner's eyes of like how reluctantly

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he still indulges her and calling her by her

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name. But maybe it also is a foreshadowing of

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how little power he has over Callie in the end.

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Like he has obviously significant power, but

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she manages to break out. We do obviously see

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11 and 8 meet in the wild, so to speak. We also

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see a little bit about government's inspection

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and influence. There is an inspection happening

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that Terry tries to use to her advantage because

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throughout the book they obviously find out about

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Callie. The study group meets Callie and they

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start to suspect that maybe there's more children

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there and that maybe this should all not be a

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thing. And they are trying to gather evidence

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to get the lab to shut down. But we all know

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how this ends so they're not successful. But

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we also see An inspection happening where the

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officials from the military and the government

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are basically saying like, look, we suspected

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to shut this down today. But because they get

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a demonstration of Cali, they actually allow

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this to continue. So for good or for worse, we

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know this is a government sanctioned program.

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So well done. And all of this is obviously sanctioned

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in the name of the Cold War. This is seen as

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the advantage over the Russians. So yeah, I think

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this is the most important things that you need

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to take away from this book. But one last thing

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before I move on to the next book. A little fun

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tidbit that we learn is, where does Eleven's

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real name Jane come from? She is named after

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Jane Goodall, because... There is also a little

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bit of a sub -theme of women and women in science

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and how little power they have at the time and

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how much of a revolution Jane Goodall is. So

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that's what I shall leave you with for now. And

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we shall move on to book number two for today.

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Book number two, you may have guessed, also takes

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place before season one. This one's called Darkness

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on the Edge of Town. It takes place in 1977,

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and it is written by Adam Christopher. This one,

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of all the books that you can read in Stranger

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Things, bookworms, so to speak, is probably the

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most standalone books. It has nothing really

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to do with the mythical themes of the show. It's

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completely removed from it. It is sort of no

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supernatural things are taking place. So, what

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is this book about? a sneak into an insight into

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Jim Hopper's past as an NYPD detective. So this

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takes place after Hopper returns from Vietnam.

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He serves two tours and comes back, has to deal

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with drama and PTSD, is not ready to settle down

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in Hawkins. So even though he was born and raised

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in Hawkins, he's like, nope, need to be somewhere

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else. So he and his wife presumed his... It doesn't

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say if his daughter already exists at that point

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or if she was born in New York. They move to

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New York because New York City at that time is

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looking for as much help with police force as

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possibly they can get on. And he joins the police

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because he wants to give back and serve the world,

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make it a better place with the skills that he

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has. And after a quick stint as a beat cop, He

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joins the homicide department as a detective.

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He also, and this is where the book starts, gets

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a new partner who's one of the first female homicide

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detectives. And we follow sort of her journey

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as much as we follow Hopper's journey. All in

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all, I think this is one of the books that sort

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of endeared Hopper a little bit more to me as

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a character. We see... him interact as a parent,

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both to Sarah as much as to Eleven, because this

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book is set in 77, but also in season two of

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Stranger Things, where he talks to Eleven over

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Christmas. So this is basically every one of

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Eleven's friends is doing Christmas stuff with

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their families. So she's bored, and basically

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he's like, tell me something, Hopper, about your

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past. And so we have quick snapshots where he

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checks back in. in her story with Eleven making

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sure she follows. And we can see a little bit

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of his doubts, like, is this too dark? Should

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I have censored it more? All of this good stuff.

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But in essence, this book is about Vietnam and

00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:34.120
dealing with Vietnam. So Hopper and Delgado,

00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:39.340
his new partner, are investigating a case. They

00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:41.789
suspected They might have a serial killer on

00:16:41.789 --> 00:16:43.389
their hands, but there's also something else

00:16:43.389 --> 00:16:46.570
going on. And long story short, Hopper ends up

00:16:46.570 --> 00:16:48.929
going undercover. There's a new gang in town

00:16:48.929 --> 00:16:52.450
called the Vipers, and he's trying to figure

00:16:52.450 --> 00:16:56.330
out what's going on. What are they doing? And

00:16:56.330 --> 00:16:59.929
he learns that they are run by Saint John, a

00:16:59.929 --> 00:17:04.230
.k .a. Jonathan Saint, who's also an ex -Vietnam

00:17:04.230 --> 00:17:09.569
soldier who was part of secret operations. and

00:17:09.569 --> 00:17:12.910
was dealing with psychology experiments during

00:17:12.910 --> 00:17:16.150
his time in Vietnam and learned a little bit

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about how to manipulate others and drug influence

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and all of that sort of stuff. So he's using

00:17:21.849 --> 00:17:26.549
all of that knowledge now to form this gang because

00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:31.730
he is basically possessed by this idea that Satan

00:17:31.730 --> 00:17:34.309
is speaking to him and Satan is going to return

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to Earth. in the Day of the Serpent. And he is

00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.619
basically, his job is to make that Day of the

00:17:41.619 --> 00:17:44.740
Serpent a success and bring chaos to the world

00:17:44.740 --> 00:17:48.180
in the name of Satan. So we follow sort of that

00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:52.799
case. In the end, this all ties in with the 1977

00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:58.000
blackout in New York. So the Vipers seem to know

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about this and are using it to their advantage.

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But also in the end, Hopper and Delgado are able

00:18:05.849 --> 00:18:11.490
to, like, stop the vipers and everyone's safe

00:18:11.490 --> 00:18:15.930
again. So yes, a story very removed from the

00:18:15.930 --> 00:18:20.529
strange going -ons at Hawking's, but still a

00:18:20.529 --> 00:18:23.089
really cool insight into Hopper as a person.

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And if you were more into, like, typical crime

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fiction stories, it's a really solid book. And

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for now... That is me done. I'll hand back over

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to Sam and Sierra to talk to you more about Stranger

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Things. Over and out. Awesome. Thank you so much,

00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:51.619
Aurelia, for that insightful information. All

00:18:51.619 --> 00:18:55.079
right. Find your donut holes. It's time for our

00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.279
Knives Out category, where we sooth out which

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three storylines are the most vital to pay attention

00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.670
to. First storyline, Hopper investigating the

00:19:05.670 --> 00:19:09.769
lab. Terry Ives, that's not Will, etc. Second

00:19:09.769 --> 00:19:13.210
storyline, visual on the Demogorgon, Joyce, Nancy,

00:19:13.490 --> 00:19:17.529
and Jonathan. Third storyline, Will. It's like

00:19:17.529 --> 00:19:20.430
home, but it's so dark and empty, and it's cold.

00:19:20.890 --> 00:19:24.349
Great. Okay, so this first storyline, Hopper

00:19:24.349 --> 00:19:28.809
investigating the lives. So this first storyline

00:19:28.809 --> 00:19:32.269
is Hopper investigating the lab. uh terry ives

00:19:32.269 --> 00:19:37.430
that's not will etc um this is a huge point uh

00:19:37.430 --> 00:19:39.990
a huge storyline in stranger things and i think

00:19:39.990 --> 00:19:43.410
to me this is the storyline that hooks a lot

00:19:43.410 --> 00:19:47.650
of adults into this kids show uh yeah definitely

00:19:47.650 --> 00:19:51.329
it so far we've got the uh the other major storylines

00:19:51.329 --> 00:19:53.930
are like teenagers in this very 1980s fashion

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and then sort of the goonies brought back to

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life which is awesome And the kids do a great

00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:04.450
job of acting and everything, but it is still

00:20:04.450 --> 00:20:06.710
very much sort of an implausible kid storyline

00:20:06.710 --> 00:20:09.490
where it's like, oh, how are they out at night?

00:20:09.589 --> 00:20:13.230
The parents are doing a bad job. For critics

00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:16.650
who don't like kid stuff, it's easy to say that's

00:20:16.650 --> 00:20:20.730
contrived. But Hopper's storyline, and then of

00:20:20.730 --> 00:20:22.630
course a little bit more with Joyce, but Hopper's

00:20:22.630 --> 00:20:26.029
storyline is like, here's this reasonable, thoughtful

00:20:26.029 --> 00:20:29.210
human being. who's good at his job, even though

00:20:29.210 --> 00:20:33.390
he's a bit out with a little too much drinking

00:20:33.390 --> 00:20:35.670
and not really caring about anything and sort

00:20:35.670 --> 00:20:38.650
of life's beating him down. But he's able to

00:20:38.650 --> 00:20:41.950
sleuth out this conspiracy and see how deep it

00:20:41.950 --> 00:20:43.809
goes in the government. And I think that gives

00:20:43.809 --> 00:20:47.769
anybody who might so whatever about this show

00:20:47.769 --> 00:20:50.190
because of the kids and teens element something

00:20:50.190 --> 00:20:54.109
to hook on to. So just a small bit of context

00:20:54.109 --> 00:20:58.500
on Hopper. He was married. He was a father. He

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grew up in Hawkins. He went and joined the military

00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.920
right out of high school. Was in Vietnam. Came

00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:09.619
back, became a cop. His dad was the sheriff of

00:21:09.619 --> 00:21:12.339
Hawkins when he was growing up. He's now in that

00:21:12.339 --> 00:21:16.299
position. But he was in New York City as a police

00:21:16.299 --> 00:21:17.960
officer. And if you haven't read the book about

00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.119
him in New York City, I highly recommend it for

00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.299
everybody. So anyways, he's come in. He and Joyce

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have a little history. He's a serious authority

00:21:26.109 --> 00:21:31.049
figure. He's also very smart. And I think...

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Most of the time. Most of the time. Listen, we

00:21:34.349 --> 00:21:35.730
haven't talked about season three yet. We're

00:21:35.730 --> 00:21:38.109
not getting there. We're not getting there too

00:21:38.109 --> 00:21:42.309
early. But I think, to me, where his story really

00:21:42.309 --> 00:21:45.410
starts to pick up is not just the, like, you

00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:47.809
know, where he's kind of shooing the kids away

00:21:47.809 --> 00:21:50.589
from doing stuff or telling Joyce to calm down.

00:21:50.970 --> 00:21:54.750
It's when he... He talks to his fellow cops and

00:21:54.750 --> 00:21:57.289
he's like, hey, you see the video the lab just

00:21:57.289 --> 00:21:59.150
showed us about the night that Will Byers disappeared?

00:21:59.670 --> 00:22:02.490
Mm -hmm. It was raining. Yeah. Do you remember

00:22:02.490 --> 00:22:04.109
how much it was raining the night he disappeared?

00:22:04.329 --> 00:22:06.730
It wasn't raining at all. And that, like, that

00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:12.970
to me is such a, oh, oh man, real adults are

00:22:12.970 --> 00:22:15.650
about to get involved in this. Right. There's

00:22:15.650 --> 00:22:19.789
no rain. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I think,

00:22:19.829 --> 00:22:26.619
um. The other part of that is him realizing that

00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:31.500
the wrong type of cop was involved in finding

00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:36.119
Will's body. Yeah. Right. Which is also something

00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.079
that's very kind of like a niche element. It

00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:41.960
almost reads like a kind of classic mystery novel

00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.720
moment. Right, he's almost like a noir. This

00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.400
is like a noir sort of dealio. It does feel like

00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:52.309
a 1940s cop. drama there for a second he's like

00:22:52.309 --> 00:22:55.849
so why are you lying to me is that state run

00:22:55.849 --> 00:22:58.109
oh yeah i know for a fact it's not why are you

00:22:58.109 --> 00:23:01.369
lying to me oh it's such a it's such a cool little

00:23:01.369 --> 00:23:03.670
line the fact that he realizes that state troopers

00:23:03.670 --> 00:23:06.009
had no right and no jurisdiction being out there

00:23:06.009 --> 00:23:08.490
no point being out there and this guy's lying

00:23:08.490 --> 00:23:13.890
to him oh phenomenal scene so good yes just yeah

00:23:13.890 --> 00:23:18.900
i really enjoy um You know, in a nostalgic TV

00:23:18.900 --> 00:23:21.700
show where it's really pulling on all the 80s,

00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:24.319
also having these moments that are kind of flashing

00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:28.599
back even farther. Yeah. For, you know, people

00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.500
who are already adults in the 80s, then kind

00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:35.640
of hearkening back as well. Yeah. It's really,

00:23:35.740 --> 00:23:38.859
it's a really nice. It's a really neat show element

00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:41.859
that they're mixing genres in such a satisfying

00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:43.660
way. The Duffer Brothers do a really good job

00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:48.009
of that. I think the. The fact that he just like

00:23:48.009 --> 00:23:50.029
takes the state trooper out back and punches

00:23:50.029 --> 00:23:53.509
him in the face up on you. Yeah. Okay. So the

00:23:53.509 --> 00:23:56.200
fact that. Hopper takes this state trooper back

00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.380
and just starts punching him in the face. And

00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:01.660
that's this interrogation method. It really reads

00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:06.700
as an 80s nostalgia thing. There's so much discourse

00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:10.279
around things like smoking and violence and the

00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.460
way that police go about their work. And yet,

00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:14.339
for some reason, it's all sort of very forgivable

00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:16.859
in Stranger Things. Because it's like, oh no,

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.460
they're just hearkening back to the 80s. It's

00:24:19.460 --> 00:24:21.940
okay. And so we kind of give everybody a pass

00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:25.779
for this. But also... um the government right

00:24:25.779 --> 00:24:28.339
isn't already playing by the rules with national

00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:31.720
hawkins lab and so like why should should jim

00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:33.859
hopper have to i think that's really fun that

00:24:33.859 --> 00:24:36.500
we we sort of give him a pass in this this sort

00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:38.279
of way of course they do they do tamp down on

00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.240
the smokings after after season three because

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.740
they got in trouble for it but um you know it's

00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:45.180
it's fascinating it's really interesting how

00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:47.799
we how we go about that but tell us about this

00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.630
this most important moment with uh hoppers firm

00:24:52.630 --> 00:24:56.329
realization as to what's going on yeah um him

00:24:56.329 --> 00:25:01.950
fully committing to the investigation and breaking

00:25:01.950 --> 00:25:08.150
into uh the essentially autopsy room yeah uh

00:25:08.150 --> 00:25:13.250
and then cutting open what he hopes is not a

00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:16.549
real body of a real child because what they dragged

00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:19.250
out of the quarry and said this is will byers

00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:24.779
looks So convincing. Yes. So, so convincing.

00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:30.779
And yeah, he just straight up pocket knifes it

00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:35.539
and just cuts right down the chest and just starts

00:25:35.539 --> 00:25:40.319
pulling out fluff. It's very clear from the first

00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.000
cut that it's not real and that it's, you know,

00:25:44.019 --> 00:25:46.920
a rubberized body. But up until that moment,

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.599
you're going, oh my gosh, is he about to like

00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:54.220
desecrate a body? Well, and we've already seen

00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:57.339
how well the Duffer Brothers and the creators

00:25:57.339 --> 00:25:59.900
on this show do with elements of suspense because

00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:02.240
they do these sort of jump scares very effectively

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.920
in the first couple of episodes. And then they

00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.359
transfer that over to this suspense moment that's

00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.460
completely predicated not on a classical jump

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.099
scare horror, but a horror of, like, morality.

00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.299
Exactly. Am I desecrating a corpse? And, you

00:26:19.299 --> 00:26:22.500
know, Hopper's actor, whose name is escaping

00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:28.680
me right now, Sierra Helden. It's David Harbour.

00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:31.619
David Harbour. And David Harbour just does such

00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:35.980
a phenomenal job. Oh, good. Of doing those close

00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:38.440
-up takes and everything to sort of give you

00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.839
a sense of trepidation before he finally cuts

00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.420
in and pulls out the fluff. It's a great storyline.

00:26:44.539 --> 00:26:46.160
It's definitely one of the top three in this

00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.240
little section here. Definitely, definitely.

00:26:49.819 --> 00:26:54.299
The next one that is super important is the visual

00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:58.900
on the Demogorgon. So this covers Joyce, Nancy,

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.009
and Jonathan's all sightings. photographs and

00:27:04.009 --> 00:27:09.609
whatnot uh because we have you know nancy is

00:27:09.609 --> 00:27:11.769
seeing it in the photograph that jonathan took

00:27:11.769 --> 00:27:15.309
so you know jonathan's accidentally taking a

00:27:15.309 --> 00:27:19.809
photo of this thing because he's kind of creeping

00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:23.309
on steve harrington's little get together uh

00:27:23.309 --> 00:27:27.650
not a great look for jonathan here um he is out

00:27:27.650 --> 00:27:30.190
there trying to find will and he is trying to

00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:34.410
do the right thing He didn't set out on the night

00:27:34.410 --> 00:27:37.210
going, I'm going to go find Nancy Byers. No.

00:27:37.470 --> 00:27:40.869
The future Mrs. Nancy Byers. I'm not going to

00:27:40.869 --> 00:27:44.750
go find Nancy and take photos of her. He's out

00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:47.109
there to look for Will, and Steve happens to

00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:50.130
live near the house. Exactly. His house happens

00:27:50.130 --> 00:27:52.829
to be near Mirkwood, as they call it, where Will

00:27:52.829 --> 00:27:57.869
was lost. So, yeah, so Jonathan is out there

00:27:57.869 --> 00:28:02.130
looking for Will. hears people, looks, sees Nancy.

00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:05.089
Obviously, he's a little obsessed with her. So

00:28:05.089 --> 00:28:08.970
he starts taking photos. And as he's taking pictures

00:28:08.970 --> 00:28:11.789
of them kind of outside in the pool, and then

00:28:11.789 --> 00:28:14.869
when they go up to the rooms and whatnot, and

00:28:14.869 --> 00:28:17.690
Barb is still sitting outside because she's not

00:28:17.690 --> 00:28:20.109
participating in any activities as the fifth

00:28:20.109 --> 00:28:26.150
wheel, as it were. And he takes this picture

00:28:26.150 --> 00:28:30.690
and you can see the demogorgon in on the side

00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:35.109
of the image in the background uh so nancy is

00:28:35.109 --> 00:28:38.509
putting these photos back together because she

00:28:38.509 --> 00:28:41.390
wants to find out what happened to barb and happens

00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:44.349
to see that in the background yeah so jonathan

00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:47.769
didn't even notice it when he took the photo

00:28:47.769 --> 00:28:51.890
when he developed the photo any of that um and

00:28:51.890 --> 00:28:54.130
and nancy's the one who who really pulls that

00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:57.589
out well it's interesting too because in When

00:28:57.589 --> 00:28:59.930
you're working with a mirrored camera, so the

00:28:59.930 --> 00:29:02.230
mirrorless cameras today, when you look through

00:29:02.230 --> 00:29:04.750
the little sight, it shows you everything that

00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:05.990
you're going to see. It shows you your light

00:29:05.990 --> 00:29:09.069
settings and all of that. But what Jonathan's

00:29:09.069 --> 00:29:11.490
working with is film and mirrors back in the

00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:13.609
80s. And so when he looks into it, it's actually

00:29:13.609 --> 00:29:17.000
not showing him the entire shot. He won't see

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:18.799
everything that's in the shot until he develops

00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.079
it, which he does. But because he was sort of

00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.339
creeping on Nancy and the other girl in the development

00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.599
room with Jonathan as he's developing this photo

00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.420
sees that there are these kind of creeper shots

00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:33.680
of Nancy. She goes and tells Steve. Steve confronts

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.380
Jonathan. Steve breaks Jonathan's camera and

00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:40.559
takes out the film and is a total bully because

00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.350
we hate him in these first four episodes. And

00:29:44.350 --> 00:29:46.509
Nancy picks up the pieces of those and when she

00:29:46.509 --> 00:29:50.069
puts them together, she sees this monster. Interestingly,

00:29:50.109 --> 00:29:54.309
there's a fourth character that sees the Demogorgon

00:29:54.309 --> 00:29:57.670
in here for just half a second and it's only

00:29:57.670 --> 00:30:00.549
the imprint. It's Mike's youngest little sister

00:30:00.549 --> 00:30:03.930
when Mike's mom goes over to help with, you know,

00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:08.190
things. And that little girl is in the room and

00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:11.410
she's looking up and there's the Demogorgon coming

00:30:11.410 --> 00:30:14.009
to get her. Without the scent of blood, which

00:30:14.009 --> 00:30:17.529
I thought was interesting. Yeah. Not really sure

00:30:17.529 --> 00:30:20.690
what's luring the Demogorgon there. Yeah, that

00:30:20.690 --> 00:30:23.410
part, when you put it together with everything

00:30:23.410 --> 00:30:25.910
that we then find out about the Demogorgon, it

00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:29.890
doesn't quite make sense. It's there for the

00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:31.990
horror, is what the answer really is. But it

00:30:31.990 --> 00:30:38.569
sticks from a world -building standpoint. Joyce

00:30:38.569 --> 00:30:40.769
has seen the Demogorgon making an imprint on

00:30:40.769 --> 00:30:43.029
the wall when she's talking to Will. And it's

00:30:43.029 --> 00:30:44.910
like, okay, I get it. The Demogorgon's, like,

00:30:44.910 --> 00:30:47.529
chasing Will. Is that because Vecna wants it

00:30:47.529 --> 00:30:49.549
to? Is it just because the Demogorgon's hungry?

00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:53.269
We're not really sure. And so it's hunting down

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:56.509
Will and then somehow starts to make an imprint

00:30:56.509 --> 00:30:58.829
to the real world. But for what purpose? We don't

00:30:58.829 --> 00:31:01.069
know. Because that's why some people are like,

00:31:01.150 --> 00:31:03.730
that's gotta be Vecna and not the Demogorgon.

00:31:03.730 --> 00:31:05.970
Because the Demogorgon's only drawn through blood

00:31:05.970 --> 00:31:08.529
versus Vecna's actually looking for... for Will.

00:31:08.930 --> 00:31:11.490
So, there's some really big kind of questions

00:31:11.490 --> 00:31:13.730
going on there, like, what does Vecna want with

00:31:13.730 --> 00:31:17.410
Joyce, or with Will, or with Mike's sister? That

00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:19.430
maybe seems like a red herring. There's a lot

00:31:19.430 --> 00:31:21.309
of questions around that, but you're right, all

00:31:21.309 --> 00:31:25.410
three of those characters get a visual on the

00:31:25.410 --> 00:31:28.430
Demogorgon, which, you know, helps with again,

00:31:28.509 --> 00:31:29.930
getting more characters involved that aren't

00:31:29.930 --> 00:31:33.269
just little kids willing to take L on her word,

00:31:33.369 --> 00:31:37.819
and then see telekinesis happen. So for this

00:31:37.819 --> 00:31:41.740
third storyline, we've got Will, which encompasses

00:31:41.740 --> 00:31:45.740
really all of the characters. So we know at the

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:47.720
very beginning of episode one that Hawkins Lab

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.299
is sort of out of control and at least one monster

00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:53.579
is on the loose because that scientist runs into

00:31:53.579 --> 00:31:55.500
the elevator in the very opening shot and gets

00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:59.759
completely wrecked. And then Will goes missing.

00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:02.400
This will be consistently my biggest question

00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.869
for... every single thing that we talk about

00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:09.450
and until it's answered in season five why why

00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:13.990
is it that will goes missing and isn't completely

00:32:13.990 --> 00:32:18.369
devoured right so we know uh at the end of the

00:32:18.369 --> 00:32:20.009
season the beginning of season two that will

00:32:20.009 --> 00:32:22.970
has this like unusual uncanny ability to flash

00:32:22.970 --> 00:32:27.650
back and forth between the upside down uh and

00:32:27.650 --> 00:32:31.269
and the real world and so he's in this room with

00:32:31.269 --> 00:32:34.720
this long fingered that everyone thinks is the

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.819
Demogorgon, and maybe it just is, but then some

00:32:37.819 --> 00:32:39.339
people have started to say, well, maybe this

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:42.680
is Vecna early on before we get a full bodysuit

00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.279
of what he looks like and everything. And then

00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.079
he, like, disappears, and he's able to escape

00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:53.099
the Demogorgon sort of fighting him, unlike Barb.

00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:56.019
So it's just, like, there's huge questions immediately

00:32:56.019 --> 00:32:58.319
in this show about what's going on with Will.

00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.180
Do you have an idea? Do you think it's Vecna?

00:33:00.259 --> 00:33:01.599
Do you think it's the Demogorgon? What do you

00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:03.990
think's going on here? i know it's hard i honestly

00:33:03.990 --> 00:33:09.069
it's so yeah it's so hard i i want to lean towards

00:33:09.069 --> 00:33:14.410
it's the demogorgon and and that potentially

00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:17.829
the demogorgon had already like eaten its fill

00:33:17.829 --> 00:33:21.390
and then dragged will back as like food for later

00:33:21.390 --> 00:33:26.880
yeah because he We don't know exactly. So I think

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.960
the hard part is because we don't know exactly

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.859
where Will was taken in the upside down when

00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:38.680
he's taken in. We know that he runs away from

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.460
wherever he was and makes it to the upside down

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:44.420
version of Castle Byers. Yeah. But other than

00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:48.200
that, we don't really know where he is. And then

00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:52.940
we don't really get. a more clear picture of

00:33:52.940 --> 00:33:56.799
what the upside down looks like until season

00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:01.299
two, when Hopper makes it in there. So once Hopper

00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.740
makes it in there, but that's a little bit different

00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:06.960
version, you know, he finds like an area that's

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.980
basically a graveyard. So potentially that's

00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:14.039
like a place where the people were stored because

00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.659
Hopper isn't eaten right away either. Potentially

00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:21.559
it's that kind of a situation where like, Some

00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.139
bodies are taken and kind of kept for future

00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.639
use so that he doesn't have to go out hunting.

00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.659
Demogorgon doesn't have to go out hunting every

00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:35.599
single time. So I'm kind of of the idea that

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:40.119
Will has been taken there for later use and then

00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.199
manages to get away, whether that's because he's

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.679
small and sneaky or what, we're not entirely

00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.849
sure. then he is able to hide enough um so that's

00:34:52.849 --> 00:34:56.630
kind of where i lean on it is that it's not vechna

00:34:56.630 --> 00:35:00.670
um but i guess we'll find out more hopefully

00:35:00.670 --> 00:35:04.349
so if that's not cleared up i'm on the opposite

00:35:04.349 --> 00:35:08.250
side of this argument okay i i truly believe

00:35:08.250 --> 00:35:10.829
that this is vechna um i think that they they

00:35:10.829 --> 00:35:14.150
do a clever job of sort of hiding uh and showing

00:35:14.150 --> 00:35:16.389
you Okay, the Demogorgon, the Demogorgon, the

00:35:16.389 --> 00:35:20.110
Demogorgon after this. But it's the shot of those

00:35:20.110 --> 00:35:23.389
long fingers that are so Vecna -like to me that

00:35:23.389 --> 00:35:25.469
make me think this. And it's the fact that the

00:35:25.469 --> 00:35:28.710
Demogorgon stands in the room with Will for a

00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:33.309
second before he disappears. Interesting. And

00:35:33.309 --> 00:35:37.150
because they disappear, and I know that Barb

00:35:37.150 --> 00:35:38.949
disappears too. It's just Barb is there and then

00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:40.550
suddenly Barb is in the Upside Down, which I

00:35:40.550 --> 00:35:42.710
still don't really understand how a Demogorgon

00:35:42.710 --> 00:35:48.349
can do that. Um, I, I, my, my thought is, is

00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:50.610
that for whatever reason, Will has some sort

00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:53.349
of specialness about him. This feels very much

00:35:53.349 --> 00:35:55.730
like this is going to date me to like Lost's

00:35:55.730 --> 00:35:59.190
issue with Walt, where it was like, what's, what's

00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:00.969
so amazing about Walt? And the writers eventually

00:36:00.969 --> 00:36:04.500
were like, send him home. We can't answer this

00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:06.340
question. Now, the Duffer Brothers are going

00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:08.039
to answer this question. We know that because

00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.539
they said they're going to go over some of the

00:36:10.539 --> 00:36:12.699
more frustrating aspects of Will's disappearance

00:36:12.699 --> 00:36:15.860
in season five. But I think that for whatever

00:36:15.860 --> 00:36:19.440
reason, Vecna is specifically looking for somebody

00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.820
to confront Elle, potentially, because he knows

00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:27.000
he's not strong enough for her. And ever since

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.440
then, Will has this sort of weird connection.

00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.760
With the shadow monster coming to get to specifically

00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.059
to find him. And that seems predicated on the

00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:40.239
early memories, which we'll find out. But I do

00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.739
think it's Vecna. But I also thought that the

00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:44.780
White Walkers in Game of Thrones had a special

00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:47.260
connection with Jon after they did that big shrug

00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:50.820
to him. So I was wrong about that. I'll probably

00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:55.579
be wrong about this. Grand plans, grand plans.

00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.949
But. What else do we know about Will's situation?

00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:02.210
We know that Eleven has escaped from the Hawkins

00:37:02.210 --> 00:37:04.409
lab where the Demogorgon escaped from. We notice

00:37:04.409 --> 00:37:07.630
that she has telekinesis, and she can hear Will.

00:37:08.190 --> 00:37:11.989
Okay, so she had practice earlier with the flashbacks

00:37:11.989 --> 00:37:15.170
of when Dr. Brenner's son goes in and then gets

00:37:15.170 --> 00:37:19.170
torn to shreds. And he asks her, can you find

00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:20.429
him? Can you find him? So she's had practice

00:37:20.429 --> 00:37:22.969
doing this. When she gets together and she tells

00:37:22.969 --> 00:37:25.829
everybody Will's still alive, and then they pull

00:37:25.829 --> 00:37:29.119
Will's body out of the... the quarry and and

00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.639
mike is like what what's wrong with you which

00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.719
is like the only line he has for like three episodes

00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:40.179
it feels like um he has a lot of yelling at people

00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:42.920
and being frustrated that things aren't going

00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.599
exactly how he wants them to go the leader i

00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.500
i have a lot of mike slander not the the actor

00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:52.320
i love the actor i just like no no no he does

00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.760
a good job the character yeah so annoying um

00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.960
So Eleven is still like, no, he's still alive,

00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:04.340
he's still alive. And she gets Will on the radio.

00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:10.639
I think singing. Yeah. And that power, her telekinesis

00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.860
is able to convince these Goonies -esque children

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:16.380
to keep looking and figure out what's going on

00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:18.739
with their friend, which furthers us into the

00:38:18.739 --> 00:38:21.559
second half of the season. And it's a killer

00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.179
mid -season ending. I know that this is Netflix.

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.380
And they just, like, you watch it all in one

00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:29.940
go. Like, they were on the binging model for

00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:31.559
Stranger Things. They're no longer doing that

00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.219
because they lost the battle of Game of Thrones

00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:38.420
versus Stranger Things in their last season because

00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:41.679
they did it all in one go. And so they were relevant

00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.519
for a couple of days. And then Game of Thrones

00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.039
won the, like, entire summer because they were

00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.980
out every other, like, they were out every week.

00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.920
And so that conversation kept going. So now they're

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:52.900
spreading it out a bit for season five, which

00:38:52.900 --> 00:38:56.690
I think makes sense for their big shows. still

00:38:56.690 --> 00:39:00.309
it was written as if this is a mid -season ender

00:39:00.309 --> 00:39:02.349
like you're going into christmas break there's

00:39:02.349 --> 00:39:04.650
going to be no tv for like a month and a half

00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:08.929
um and you're like wait wait hopper just like

00:39:08.929 --> 00:39:12.690
opened up his body and and 11 just confirmed

00:39:12.690 --> 00:39:15.829
that he's still alive like it's crazy it was

00:39:15.829 --> 00:39:18.489
such a good little ending yeah it's such a nice

00:39:18.489 --> 00:39:23.510
like almost like a it's like a bow on it, but

00:39:23.510 --> 00:39:25.489
at the same time, because it's like, okay, we

00:39:25.489 --> 00:39:29.190
have wrapped up like the mystery of, is he dead

00:39:29.190 --> 00:39:33.929
or is he not? And so we now know, no, he is not.

00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:38.210
All right, now let's go. So it's very satisfying.

00:39:38.230 --> 00:39:43.610
Yes. So good. Well, keep your finger on the pause

00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:47.090
button and rewind that state. It's time for the

00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:51.440
prestige category. What did we notice? On this

00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.820
specific watch through. I'll start. The kids

00:39:55.820 --> 00:39:59.960
are so little. They're so little. They're so

00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:03.559
little. So my main question here. Is more of

00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.840
a real life question. Do you think it changes

00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:11.139
the success. This franchise is already super

00:40:11.139 --> 00:40:13.500
successful. But do you think it changes the success.

00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.789
Of this franchise. If they're able. If they have

00:40:16.789 --> 00:40:19.050
all their contracts sorted, if COVID never happens,

00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:21.469
if all of these what -ifs occurs. Do you think

00:40:21.469 --> 00:40:23.329
that the franchise is even more successful if

00:40:23.329 --> 00:40:25.909
we're able to keep everybody young going into

00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:29.489
Season 5 instead of, like, having Eleven's actress

00:40:29.489 --> 00:40:35.010
be, like, a married woman? Yeah. I think so,

00:40:35.210 --> 00:40:39.769
honestly. I do, too! It's hard because, first

00:40:39.769 --> 00:40:43.780
of all, you've got, like, even without... covid

00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:47.760
and all of those things that really delayed production

00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:53.719
you still have a really long production per season

00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:59.719
so they're going to age starting from you know

00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.019
that's like the time that kids become adults

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:07.199
like you know it's like they go from being kids

00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.239
to being teenagers really really quick you never

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.699
know how puberty is gonna hit kids some you know

00:41:13.699 --> 00:41:16.360
some it hits them really really early and they

00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.460
just all of a sudden are three feet taller than

00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:21.539
they were and they have to shave every day yeah

00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:26.119
um yeah or they you know their voice drops a

00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.139
bunch or all of a sudden the girl looks like

00:41:29.139 --> 00:41:33.099
a woman and isn't you know a tiny little you

00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:37.099
know not tiny anymore and you then you see this

00:41:37.099 --> 00:41:40.480
in even you know long movie franchises you know

00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.199
just think neville longbottom like exactly think

00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.619
neville longbottom you never know what's gonna

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:50.440
happen am i gonna have to wear false teeth to

00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.130
make me look Like my character, because I had

00:41:54.130 --> 00:41:56.849
the glow -up of the century. In The Lion, the

00:41:56.849 --> 00:41:59.130
Witch, and the Wardrobe, for Edmund's character,

00:41:59.449 --> 00:42:03.929
during the behind -the -scenes stuff, at the

00:42:03.929 --> 00:42:05.469
very end of that, they had to bring in his sister

00:42:05.469 --> 00:42:08.869
to read his observations, because his voice dropped

00:42:08.869 --> 00:42:10.590
so much, they thought the audience wouldn't recognize

00:42:10.590 --> 00:42:16.050
him. Exactly. It's so funny, but yeah, it's,

00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:19.440
I mean, obviously, it hits. guys more because

00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.019
there's yeah just you know more obvious differences

00:42:23.019 --> 00:42:28.119
but um it does it does make a difference and

00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.920
i also think besides just keeping the kids young

00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.559
because i'm never really a fan of like hey we

00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.659
cast this 25 year old to play this 16 year old

00:42:37.659 --> 00:42:41.219
i i'm like but they're not like i'm like i'm

00:42:41.219 --> 00:42:43.699
sorry but they could be the parent of this child

00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:48.760
i love tom wellington as Superman in Smallville.

00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:53.119
But dear lord, when he's a freshman in high school,

00:42:53.260 --> 00:42:57.760
I'm like, this guy's 28 years old! And he's not,

00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.840
but he looks it. Yeah, it kills me a little bit.

00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:06.340
It's just the visuals of it, right? It's how

00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:09.380
small Eleven is when she's taking on the Demogorgon.

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.019
So small. It's that innocence that they're trying

00:43:12.019 --> 00:43:13.960
to capture. And like, I still think they do a

00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:15.940
very fantastic job of keeping their characters

00:43:15.940 --> 00:43:19.719
very young and naive and innocent feeling in

00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.940
season four. But it is like, Mike is like, it

00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:24.880
feels like he's seven and a half feet tall in

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.840
that season. Yeah. And it is strange going in.

00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.880
Her name's not Billy Bob Thornton. What? Millie

00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.579
Bob Brown. Millie Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown.

00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.780
It is just a little strange in real life knowing

00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:41.340
that she's going to be, that she is a married

00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:44.940
person playing what should be a freshman in high

00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:48.599
school in season five. Yeah, very strange. When

00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.179
three real years have gone by. It's an unfortunate

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:55.340
aspect of the show. And it still rocks. It's

00:43:55.340 --> 00:43:58.420
still amazing. Obviously, we wouldn't be talking

00:43:58.420 --> 00:44:03.750
about it if it wasn't. But it is, yeah, it definitely

00:44:03.750 --> 00:44:08.510
makes a difference. Yeah, I think also, like,

00:44:08.550 --> 00:44:12.170
it is kind of interesting with how we know that

00:44:12.170 --> 00:44:16.630
Will's character develops over the course of

00:44:16.630 --> 00:44:20.010
the show. And, you know, Will turning out to

00:44:20.010 --> 00:44:23.690
be gay. And there's these seeds that are planted

00:44:23.690 --> 00:44:27.809
super, super early. 15 minutes into the first

00:44:27.809 --> 00:44:31.889
episode, we already get the first. nugget of

00:44:31.889 --> 00:44:35.849
that. And it kind of drops there, and then they

00:44:35.849 --> 00:44:39.469
don't really talk about it until the beginning

00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:42.190
of season three again. I think they mention it

00:44:42.190 --> 00:44:44.889
in season two for a second. There's one little

00:44:44.889 --> 00:44:48.050
second. And Troy, the big bully who pulls a knife

00:44:48.050 --> 00:44:52.269
on Dustin for some reason, calls him the F -sler

00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:54.449
during the funeral, I think. You're right, yeah.

00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:56.809
So they do mention it a few times during season

00:44:56.809 --> 00:45:00.059
one, but I don't remember too much. season two

00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.000
season three it started it's starting to be mentioned

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.619
a little bit more just with the relationships

00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:06.599
and it's not your problem that we like girls

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.539
yeah yeah um which we'll get there and we'll

00:45:10.539 --> 00:45:14.199
we'll we'll discuss his his uh motivations and

00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.840
whatnot but um but i think that it is interesting

00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.960
that that's kind of like a planned thing potentially

00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:26.719
and that we kind of have like a little bit of

00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:30.210
a characterization of will As more than just

00:45:30.210 --> 00:45:34.570
zombie boy who, you know, was taken into the

00:45:34.570 --> 00:45:37.730
upside down and that he is still a person who

00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:41.250
is growing and developing as a kid in the 80s

00:45:41.250 --> 00:45:46.409
through all this. Super interesting. Yeah. I

00:45:46.409 --> 00:45:49.750
will always have the question on a rewatch, like,

00:45:49.809 --> 00:45:52.389
why is Will taken? So we've talked about that

00:45:52.389 --> 00:45:53.949
enough. We can move straight on to the next one.

00:45:54.969 --> 00:46:02.769
Yeah. I just threw an MP5 slap. Because ever

00:46:02.769 --> 00:46:05.550
since watching it for the first time, and now

00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:08.210
that's a thing that I notice every time it's

00:46:08.210 --> 00:46:12.869
in a movie. It was called out, and my husband

00:46:12.869 --> 00:46:14.929
mentions it every time that it's in something.

00:46:15.170 --> 00:46:18.929
And so now I notice it every single time. Unfortunately,

00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:22.130
I'm going to have to play the fool here. What

00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:25.539
on earth is MP5? Okay. It's a, it's a gun. So

00:46:25.539 --> 00:46:29.320
they're using in the, the military guys are using

00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:33.639
the guns and when they, um, when they're getting

00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.960
everything ready in order to rack an MP5, slap

00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.559
it and it shoots a bullet forward. But, um, it's

00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:44.260
like a classic. Trope. It's a, it's a big old

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:46.679
trope in, in film and media. Yeah. Well, but

00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.400
it's also like, that's actually just how it works.

00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:55.880
there we go i saw it and i was like oh my gosh

00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.579
well done you recognized a cool thing all right

00:46:59.579 --> 00:47:04.380
neat i try i try uh my my next like uh all caps

00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:08.659
exclamation is not the dnd campaign board because

00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:12.960
11 when she's going to show like no he's on the

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.619
other side she like takes everything off of the

00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:19.159
board and flips it over and just dnd me is like

00:47:20.409 --> 00:47:24.769
Do you know how long that took to set up? They're

00:47:24.769 --> 00:47:27.949
in the middle of a campaign. It's D &D in the

00:47:27.949 --> 00:47:30.670
80s. There's no smartphone to take a photo of.

00:47:30.750 --> 00:47:32.730
And it's not like they have a Polaroid and just

00:47:32.730 --> 00:47:34.989
take a photo of the campaign. It has to stay

00:47:34.989 --> 00:47:36.730
there perfectly like that or else everything's

00:47:36.730 --> 00:47:40.369
lost. I know. There's no D &D beyond. There's

00:47:40.369 --> 00:47:46.150
nothing. D &D digital maps. Nothing. Oh my gosh.

00:47:48.210 --> 00:47:57.210
Moving on from my nerd panic. So who is at fault

00:47:57.210 --> 00:48:05.090
for Barb's death? Obviously, Nancy feels a lot

00:48:05.090 --> 00:48:08.730
of guilt because she left her alone and she wasn't

00:48:08.730 --> 00:48:10.610
paying attention to her and she ditched her to

00:48:10.610 --> 00:48:15.019
be with Steve and all sorts of things. Is she

00:48:15.019 --> 00:48:18.420
actually at fault necessarily? It almost seems

00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:21.559
like, I mean, obviously it's the Demogorgon's

00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.960
fault, but moving into kind of like the situation

00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.440
that Barb has ended up in, it's almost the classic

00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.059
horror trope, but flipped where the teens participating

00:48:32.059 --> 00:48:34.639
in the illicit activities are usually the first

00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.880
to go in a horror movie. But in this case, it's

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.519
the straight edged friend who is usually the

00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.449
one who survives. Yeah. the horror movie. So

00:48:45.449 --> 00:48:47.510
I just thought that that was a really interesting,

00:48:47.630 --> 00:48:52.309
you know, she's kind of the first to go when

00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:55.309
really it should be Nancy, but is this almost

00:48:55.309 --> 00:49:01.750
worse because worse for Nancy, because she has

00:49:01.750 --> 00:49:06.630
both experiences of like, I participated in these

00:49:06.630 --> 00:49:09.369
activities and lost my friend as a result. So

00:49:09.369 --> 00:49:12.300
it's almost like double damage. I'm going to

00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:15.739
throw a moral question at you on this one. Here

00:49:15.739 --> 00:49:20.340
we go. If a zookeeper accidentally lets out a

00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:23.400
tiger and the tiger goes and does what the tiger

00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.760
does, which is to hunt, and goes and eats a person,

00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.079
is it the tiger's fault or is it the zookeeper's

00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.579
fault? Oh, no. I mean, it's not the tiger's fault,

00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:36.039
so. So in this case, even though I was going

00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.099
to be like, well, it's the Demogorgon, you dummy.

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.800
Because that's what literally kills her. No,

00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.059
I think it's Brenner and the U .S. government's

00:49:44.059 --> 00:49:46.840
fault at the end of it. It's not actually Nancy's

00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:50.460
fault. No, but she is taking a lot of guilt.

00:49:50.659 --> 00:49:53.980
Well, of course, because she's Nancy. But she

00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:55.780
doesn't have to take on that guilt. Because in

00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:58.940
actuality, if the zookeeper doesn't unlead the

00:49:58.940 --> 00:50:01.039
tiger and then she doesn't leave her friend out

00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.590
in... If she just does a normal teenage night,

00:50:03.769 --> 00:50:07.530
Barb is just upset and a little weepy. And then

00:50:07.530 --> 00:50:09.329
eventually goes home and gets disinfected and

00:50:09.329 --> 00:50:11.050
cleans up the cut. But because the zookeeper

00:50:11.050 --> 00:50:15.369
was like, I wanted to go and see the other side

00:50:15.369 --> 00:50:17.690
of the world through a teleport machine. And

00:50:17.690 --> 00:50:23.630
here's an interdimensional bear. We got the demo

00:50:23.630 --> 00:50:26.070
going in there. So the people have faults with

00:50:26.070 --> 00:50:30.210
the US government and Brenner. Yeah. But I mean,

00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:33.230
yeah, it's more just like from a horror movie.

00:50:33.869 --> 00:50:36.010
Yeah. From like a horror standpoint of like,

00:50:36.070 --> 00:50:39.650
who caused this? And even from that, I will say

00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:47.019
it's the script writer then. Speaking of the

00:50:47.019 --> 00:50:49.719
horror elements. Yeah, speaking of the script

00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.300
writer, the horror elements are on fire in these

00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.420
first four episodes. And it's really interesting

00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.460
because we do sort of get away from them in seasons

00:50:57.460 --> 00:51:00.039
two and three, where it becomes much more of

00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:06.500
a family spooky setting. Mainly in season two,

00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:08.179
I actually would say. Season three, there's a

00:51:08.179 --> 00:51:12.840
lot of that gore horror with the rat bodies and

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.599
people bodies being disintegrated into making

00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:18.070
a... the smoke people and then of course in season

00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:21.250
4 we've got more gore humor but also suspense

00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:24.869
humor with Vecna but here we've got like these

00:51:24.869 --> 00:51:30.610
very classic like Barb holding the bars at the

00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:34.510
swimming pool and being cold and calling for

00:51:34.510 --> 00:51:37.050
Nancy and shrieking for Nancy Nancy can kind

00:51:37.050 --> 00:51:40.329
of maybe hear it but not quite and then she gets

00:51:40.329 --> 00:51:44.650
cold and it's silence and um there's just a these

00:51:44.650 --> 00:51:47.170
great jump scares and these great uh moments

00:51:47.170 --> 00:51:49.670
of suspense that have they've been doing really

00:51:49.670 --> 00:51:51.650
really well right like the creature coming through

00:51:51.650 --> 00:51:54.170
the wall even though it's frustrating from our

00:51:54.170 --> 00:51:56.409
world building perspective a logical perspective

00:51:56.409 --> 00:51:58.489
on the way that the world is set up as we know

00:51:58.489 --> 00:52:01.690
it now the moments of joyce looking at the wall

00:52:01.690 --> 00:52:05.130
because it's moving towards her that yeah that

00:52:05.130 --> 00:52:08.440
the monster is going to come through Is really

00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.500
well done. And I think it's one of the reasons

00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.920
why people were so hooked so quickly on this

00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.039
show. Yeah, definitely. It's very, very, very,

00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.880
very well done. Really pulls you in immediately.

00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:27.800
Yeah. Watching this show now as a mom is kind

00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.769
of heartbreaking. Yeah. Because. I don't think

00:52:31.769 --> 00:52:35.309
I would be maybe losing it quite like Joyce is.

00:52:35.469 --> 00:52:39.230
However, she is witnessing some insane things,

00:52:39.369 --> 00:52:43.570
so maybe. I don't know if I was faced with things

00:52:43.570 --> 00:52:46.809
coming through my wall and lights flashing and

00:52:46.809 --> 00:52:51.710
all sorts of things if I would even put together

00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:54.329
to communicate through lights. I mean, that's

00:52:54.329 --> 00:52:58.989
kind of a genius move. But Nancy and Mike's mom,

00:52:59.190 --> 00:53:01.840
who... you know just mrs wheeler at this point

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.840
trying to like reach out to nancy knowing something's

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.280
happened and nancy's just not talking it just

00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.659
gets me right in the gut now watching this because

00:53:11.659 --> 00:53:17.920
i'm like no just talk to your mom but then later

00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:21.760
on i'm like mrs wheeler's got some things to

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:27.610
figure out first she does yes she does um This

00:53:27.610 --> 00:53:31.730
is super random, but when I was also... This

00:53:31.730 --> 00:53:36.329
is another observation. Obviously, all of our

00:53:36.329 --> 00:53:40.070
lovely little kid main characters have their

00:53:40.070 --> 00:53:45.849
D &D characters. However, as a fantasy -loving

00:53:45.849 --> 00:53:51.730
group they are, I had to... Put them in fantasy

00:53:51.730 --> 00:53:56.409
races. And I have decided Dustin is a hobbit,

00:53:56.530 --> 00:54:00.329
Lucas is a dwarf, L is an elf, and Mike is a

00:54:00.329 --> 00:54:05.269
human. Okay. I have something to pitch to you.

00:54:05.570 --> 00:54:08.949
If we are doing this in the Tolkien universe,

00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:12.989
which is D &D's based off of, I would change

00:54:12.989 --> 00:54:16.869
Lucas and L. I wouldn't swap them, but I would

00:54:16.869 --> 00:54:21.510
change them. Okay. Do tell, do tell. So the immediate

00:54:21.510 --> 00:54:23.650
one is, okay, there is a race of wizards. I think

00:54:23.650 --> 00:54:26.030
Elle is just a straight up wizard. She is part

00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:29.769
of the Meyer, Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, the

00:54:29.769 --> 00:54:32.570
blue guys, sort of. Not the blue man group, which

00:54:32.570 --> 00:54:34.969
are different and real people in the real world,

00:54:35.050 --> 00:54:40.789
but the blue wizards. Lucas, who's this, he's

00:54:40.789 --> 00:54:43.289
also kind of got the build of Orlando Bloom later

00:54:43.289 --> 00:54:46.090
on, where he's like this sort of svelte, tall,

00:54:46.389 --> 00:54:51.050
lanky dude. But because of his use of his slingshot,

00:54:51.190 --> 00:54:54.670
I'm going to put him in the elf category. Hmm.

00:54:54.909 --> 00:54:59.130
Okay. I could potentially get behind that. When

00:54:59.130 --> 00:55:03.630
I was originally writing this, my positing here,

00:55:03.809 --> 00:55:06.969
when I was originally putting it down, I was

00:55:06.969 --> 00:55:09.030
more thinking along the lines of, like, Lucas

00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:11.989
is a dwarf because he's into the, like, building

00:55:11.989 --> 00:55:15.829
and putting things together to be able to, like,

00:55:16.170 --> 00:55:18.949
fight and whatnot and he's a little bit more

00:55:18.949 --> 00:55:22.809
of that like he's kind of mining around the edges

00:55:22.809 --> 00:55:26.949
too and yeah yeah and that as well um which is

00:55:26.949 --> 00:55:28.869
why i kind of put him in that category but i

00:55:28.869 --> 00:55:33.429
could see the slingshot definitely uh puts him

00:55:33.429 --> 00:55:35.349
over the edge a little bit you ever seen a dwarf

00:55:35.349 --> 00:55:40.010
do archery i haven't i'm sure there are plenty

00:55:40.010 --> 00:55:42.789
of plenty of aspects of that happening that's

00:55:42.789 --> 00:55:48.750
why they have crossbows So, a little noticing

00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:50.909
here. I just love Nancy becoming her detective

00:55:50.909 --> 00:55:57.469
self. She is immediately cued in about Barb.

00:55:57.690 --> 00:56:00.849
She immediately has this instinctual feeling

00:56:00.849 --> 00:56:02.949
in the way that Hopper does, where she's like,

00:56:03.010 --> 00:56:05.730
something has gone wrong. Something is awful

00:56:05.730 --> 00:56:09.050
here. I can feel it. And then she's immediately,

00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:11.809
when she sees that weird mask man thing, as she

00:56:11.809 --> 00:56:16.000
calls it, the Demogorgon, she's like, Okay, okay,

00:56:16.059 --> 00:56:17.760
something really bad has happened and doesn't

00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.300
stop pursuing it, which I think is really great.

00:56:20.420 --> 00:56:22.940
And, you know, no wonder she gets along with

00:56:22.940 --> 00:56:25.960
Murray later on and gets in on the journalist

00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.860
side of things. It's just really fun to see.

00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:33.500
She's a little Lois Lane. Yeah, definitely. I

00:56:33.500 --> 00:56:37.179
was pulling that. I was definitely feeling that

00:56:37.179 --> 00:56:40.380
Lois Lane vibes, especially when we get to season

00:56:40.380 --> 00:56:45.659
three. Although. Not quite. It's almost like

00:56:45.659 --> 00:56:52.280
a Lois Lane very, very, very early on. Plus Peter

00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.739
Parker, question mark? Plus Peter Parker and

00:56:54.739 --> 00:56:57.179
also the world's most horrible hair known to

00:56:57.179 --> 00:57:04.360
mankind. It's fine. Oh, God. 80s, man. 80s. Yeah,

00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:09.940
just kind of watching through. Steve... Is so

00:57:09.940 --> 00:57:13.239
hard to watch in these first few episodes. Until

00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.139
he washes the marquee. Until then, he's terrible.

00:57:17.219 --> 00:57:22.360
Yes, exactly. Just a rich kid breaking a poor

00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.579
kid's most expensive possession. Oh, God. Okay,

00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.519
wait. Fair little point here for a second. When

00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.320
you and I watched this, you also saw that there

00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:35.380
were no other kids at his party other than him,

00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:37.920
his two friends, and then Nancy and Barb, right?

00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:39.519
That's why you said. Yeah. Cause I don't think

00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.699
it was. Yeah. I don't think it was supposed to

00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:43.800
be a party. I thought it was just them hanging

00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:45.440
out because his parents were out of town. He

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.099
says party to her and then it comes over and

00:57:48.099 --> 00:57:50.619
it feels like he's just like, Hey, like this

00:57:50.619 --> 00:57:53.179
is a way to lure you to my house so that I can

00:57:53.179 --> 00:57:57.420
have you. And then later on, this is the thing

00:57:57.420 --> 00:58:01.079
I noticed on this rewatch. He says when Nancy's

00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.019
like, something's happened to Barb and he's like,

00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.519
Oh, I'm going to get in such trouble. all the

00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.059
kids that were there and the alcohol and all

00:58:08.059 --> 00:58:11.360
this stuff. And it's like, what? Yeah. Wait,

00:58:11.420 --> 00:58:13.539
he says something about all the kids. I mean,

00:58:13.539 --> 00:58:16.159
I know. Cause they had alcohol. Yes. All the

00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.579
kids that were there or something along those

00:58:18.579 --> 00:58:22.000
lines. And I was like, is this a script? Is this

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.360
like a lack of continuity? That's what it seems

00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.539
like. It's just a lack of continuity to me. But

00:58:26.539 --> 00:58:29.739
I was like, okay, I'm going to have to ask Sierra.

00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.539
She also only saw the, like there was five people

00:58:33.539 --> 00:58:36.730
there, right? No, yeah, that was it. And it's

00:58:36.730 --> 00:58:38.510
not like there was, like, music pumping from

00:58:38.510 --> 00:58:40.829
the house or anything like that. And maybe he

00:58:40.829 --> 00:58:43.150
just means his two awful friends, but, like,

00:58:43.429 --> 00:58:47.369
come on. They're awful. Anyways. Ugh, they're

00:58:47.369 --> 00:58:50.010
so horrible. Yeah, rich kid breaks poor kid's

00:58:50.010 --> 00:58:51.829
most expensive possession. Yeah, Steve going

00:58:51.829 --> 00:58:54.110
after Jonathan for creepy photos. It's not a

00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:55.949
great look. Cameras are very expensive. I mean,

00:58:55.949 --> 00:58:58.710
it's not a great look for Jonathan either, but

00:58:58.710 --> 00:59:02.650
that's not the way to go about it. No. No, no,

00:59:02.730 --> 00:59:10.000
no, no. My next question gets into Hopper's whole

00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:15.800
thing where he cuts into Will's body. Cuts into

00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:20.659
Will's pristine body? When they say they've had

00:59:20.659 --> 00:59:25.739
an autopsy, and if you know things about autopsies,

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.449
they cut into the body and... Then they stitch

00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:33.489
it back together. So it's why you wear clothes

00:59:33.489 --> 00:59:38.210
when you're married, because you've got scarring

00:59:38.210 --> 00:59:42.769
everywhere because they have cut into you to

00:59:42.769 --> 00:59:45.530
find out what happened and how you died. And

00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:48.210
if there had been an autopsy on Will, there would

00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:50.949
be signs of it. Very, very, very clear and obvious

00:59:50.949 --> 00:59:56.610
signs. So I feel like. Hop was definitely in

00:59:56.610 --> 00:59:59.309
the right for just cutting this open to figure

00:59:59.309 --> 01:00:01.929
out what's going on because clearly nobody else

01:00:01.929 --> 01:00:07.289
had. So worst case scenario, he's now doing the

01:00:07.289 --> 01:00:11.550
autopsy. Which is not technically defiling a

01:00:11.550 --> 01:00:14.630
corpse if you're doing an autopsy. Exactly. Part

01:00:14.630 --> 01:00:18.329
of the law enforcement team. Yeah, that's a great

01:00:18.329 --> 01:00:20.829
point. I had not even considered it until just

01:00:20.829 --> 01:00:23.269
this very minute, but that's like, yeah. Hey,

01:00:23.389 --> 01:00:26.989
they didn't cut open anything. Well, it's clearly

01:00:26.989 --> 01:00:29.489
just because he drowned. But you don't know that.

01:00:29.670 --> 01:00:32.190
There might have been signs of foul play, right?

01:00:32.309 --> 01:00:36.449
Some sort of something. Yeah. That's fascinating.

01:00:36.570 --> 01:00:40.210
Good point there. Speaking of the Byers, Jonathan

01:00:40.210 --> 01:00:42.750
is an exceptionally wonderful human being. So

01:00:42.750 --> 01:00:45.269
he's a bit of a martyr. He's a bit of a teenage

01:00:45.269 --> 01:00:48.719
creep. But ultimately, he's a very good human

01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.300
being. And we'll say that with Will, too. I just,

01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.099
I really grew to love his character in this one.

01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:57.840
I certainly liked him by the end of season one

01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.440
of my first watch and my second watch. And I

01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.860
like him in seasons two and three. And we'll

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:05.320
get to seasons four, whole desert storyline when

01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:10.599
we get there. But I just like, what a good, what

01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.000
a good dude. What a good dude. I also love Hopper's

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.360
turn to sniffing out that Joyce's conspiracy

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.519
must be real. I know we talked about this earlier

01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:24.300
in his storyline. But it is just such a key moment

01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:28.059
of watching him really turn. Because we got Nancy

01:01:28.059 --> 01:01:29.719
who's, like, starting to figure things out, but

01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.079
she's still a teenager. Hopper, like, taking

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.219
his detective skills and realizing that this

01:01:35.219 --> 01:01:40.059
is something bigger is so satisfying. It's great.

01:01:40.820 --> 01:01:44.809
I also forgot. how much larger of a character

01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:47.110
mike's mom is in the first season especially

01:01:47.110 --> 01:01:49.869
these first four episodes where she's like talking

01:01:49.869 --> 01:01:51.750
to nancy and trying to get the boys together

01:01:51.750 --> 01:01:54.469
and talking to mike and and i don't really remember

01:01:54.469 --> 01:01:56.590
her being a character until the very end of season

01:01:56.590 --> 01:01:59.969
two with that famous scene with her and and uh

01:01:59.969 --> 01:02:03.590
billy um and then of course she's a little bit

01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:04.909
more of a character in season three and then

01:02:04.909 --> 01:02:07.070
she's not at all it feels like she's not in the

01:02:07.070 --> 01:02:10.250
show all in season four yeah but uh she really

01:02:10.250 --> 01:02:13.110
is she's like almost at joyce level in terms

01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:15.630
of mom characters here where she's being shown

01:02:15.630 --> 01:02:19.090
as this juxtaposition of of joyce falling into

01:02:19.090 --> 01:02:21.929
the conspiracy and her being completely oblivious

01:02:21.929 --> 01:02:24.989
to it right and she she's a big part it's really

01:02:24.989 --> 01:02:28.449
wild yeah it did surprise me as well i was like

01:02:28.449 --> 01:02:31.750
oh we're seeing her again why is she here she's

01:02:31.750 --> 01:02:33.389
you know she does a great job the actress is

01:02:33.389 --> 01:02:35.619
great i'm not trying to say boot her off. But

01:02:35.619 --> 01:02:37.659
it was just surprising. I'd really forgotten

01:02:37.659 --> 01:02:39.980
how much she's in the show. Yeah, definitely.

01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.219
You know, you don't always have to face down

01:02:44.219 --> 01:02:47.260
a horde of angry soldiers by yourself. Buckle

01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:50.000
up, Schmisseners, because it's time for our Sansa

01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.119
is Smarter Than John category for what is the

01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:56.400
most important character moment of this set of

01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:01.900
episodes. I argue it is Hopper cutting into quote,

01:03:01.900 --> 01:03:04.880
quote, Will. Because he's willing to desecrate

01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.000
a body to prove this conspiracy. And that is

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.679
a huge, huge thing for him. And it's a huge moment

01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.920
for the show. Again, it's the adults, the real

01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.500
people believe that this is now no longer true.

01:03:17.539 --> 01:03:21.420
It's not just the kids. Or, you know, perceived

01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:24.719
going crazy mom. It's this tough, realistic,

01:03:25.179 --> 01:03:28.739
face the world, nostrils flared, horsework mentality.

01:03:29.769 --> 01:03:32.389
Mm -hmm. Gun -wielding, smoke -beer -drinking

01:03:32.389 --> 01:03:37.289
man who's now bought in. Yep. So I'm in a total

01:03:37.289 --> 01:03:39.809
agreement. I will also do an honorable mention

01:03:39.809 --> 01:03:44.750
for two. There's Jonathan when he confronts his

01:03:44.750 --> 01:03:47.829
mom and says, this isn't the right time to shut

01:03:47.829 --> 01:03:49.969
down, Mom. We have to deal with the funeral.

01:03:50.429 --> 01:03:53.230
I'm not letting him, Will, sit in that freezer

01:03:53.230 --> 01:03:56.119
for another day, which I... What an important

01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.480
moment for Jonathan to go from being this sort

01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.300
of passive character to this is the moment to

01:04:02.300 --> 01:04:04.739
me where he becomes the assertive Jonathan that

01:04:04.739 --> 01:04:07.960
we will know until season four when he's way

01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.000
too high to do anything. Then honorable mention

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.840
also to Nancy's Barb is missing and you're worried

01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.500
about your dad to Steve, which I would have argued

01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:21.960
a little bit more for. It's just as important

01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.090
as Hopper. uh with two caveats there first of

01:04:26.090 --> 01:04:27.610
all it's not as important to the storyline as

01:04:27.610 --> 01:04:31.550
hoppers but yeah nancy goes back to steve like

01:04:31.550 --> 01:04:33.929
multiple times with multiple opportunities to

01:04:33.929 --> 01:04:35.949
break up with him so it's not that big like if

01:04:35.949 --> 01:04:38.329
she if she was done with steve's boyfriend at

01:04:38.329 --> 01:04:41.329
that point i'd be like great yeah but he he's

01:04:41.329 --> 01:04:44.369
in his very you know good looking christmas sweater

01:04:44.369 --> 01:04:47.789
at the end of this season so hail to steve apparently

01:04:47.789 --> 01:04:52.949
listen sierra i know you just lost a hand but

01:04:52.949 --> 01:04:55.769
listen up It's the I am your father category

01:04:55.769 --> 01:05:00.969
for most iconic character moment. Okay. I'm struggling

01:05:00.969 --> 01:05:03.210
with this one and I know that you're going to

01:05:03.210 --> 01:05:06.510
argue with me. However, this is just iconic.

01:05:07.110 --> 01:05:11.050
Um, I was struggling because I don't know that

01:05:11.050 --> 01:05:13.030
in the first four episodes, there's necessarily

01:05:13.030 --> 01:05:18.369
anything purely iconic. Okay. Okay. I get your

01:05:18.369 --> 01:05:21.460
point. I will say. one of the most recognizable

01:05:21.460 --> 01:05:25.380
images that would create something iconic, where

01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:28.440
if you set this up for a party, or you started

01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.739
drawing it on a guessing game, where you have

01:05:32.739 --> 01:05:35.400
to draw things out, that you would instantly

01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.500
recognize when the Christmas lights are up at

01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:43.880
Joyce's house. That is an iconic character moment

01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.099
where she puts up the Christmas lights and then

01:05:46.099 --> 01:05:48.159
she draws out the letters and you have that amazing

01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.440
shot of her wall. This is going to sound like

01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:54.099
such a brag. When I was in Paris a couple of

01:05:54.099 --> 01:05:57.840
years ago, they had a Stranger Things experience.

01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.659
And when you walk in, they've set it up to be

01:06:01.659 --> 01:06:04.750
multiple different scenes. Right. So there's

01:06:04.750 --> 01:06:07.429
a setting where it's the mall and there's a setting

01:06:07.429 --> 01:06:10.750
where it's the arcade. The first setting is the

01:06:10.750 --> 01:06:13.269
buyer's living room with the Christmas lights

01:06:13.269 --> 01:06:16.510
up there. And I think that is by definition iconic.

01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:20.909
Yes, but that's not necessarily an iconic character

01:06:20.909 --> 01:06:24.730
moment. That is an iconic image. I'll give you

01:06:24.730 --> 01:06:26.530
that. I have been arguing the image. Certainly.

01:06:26.530 --> 01:06:29.699
I will say that. Deciding to put up the Christmas

01:06:29.699 --> 01:06:32.559
lights is an iconic character moment because

01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.260
when you think about Joyce Byers, one of the

01:06:35.260 --> 01:06:37.019
first things that you think about is her putting

01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:40.360
up the Christmas lights. Okay, but I just need

01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:44.840
you to join everybody to sit down because it's

01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:50.539
time for I Am Iron Man, most iconic and most

01:06:50.539 --> 01:06:54.760
important scene category. Okay. Where I have

01:06:54.760 --> 01:07:01.550
right here. R -U -N. The Christmas lights. Will

01:07:01.550 --> 01:07:04.869
and Joyce speaking through the Christmas lights.

01:07:04.889 --> 01:07:06.750
It gives me chills every time I watch it. It

01:07:06.750 --> 01:07:09.050
gives me chills even thinking about it right

01:07:09.050 --> 01:07:15.829
now. Yes. What should I do? R -U -N. And then

01:07:15.829 --> 01:07:17.789
it comes out of the wall. Yeah, I just got chills

01:07:17.789 --> 01:07:21.650
again. Sierra, it's so good. And then she gets

01:07:21.650 --> 01:07:23.769
out to the car and she takes off and she has

01:07:23.769 --> 01:07:27.239
to talk to Hopper. Oh my goodness gracious. I

01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:32.199
will tell you, her run out to that car, I was

01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:33.579
convinced on the first time watching that it

01:07:33.579 --> 01:07:35.900
was going to be a her drop in the keys situation.

01:07:36.300 --> 01:07:39.260
And she doesn't. They save that for Steve in

01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:43.659
the finale. But it is just so. I love that moment.

01:07:43.739 --> 01:07:45.920
You're right. That is the most iconic and most

01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.889
important. scene category yes uh because we've

01:07:48.889 --> 01:07:52.130
got will talking and we've got the run moment

01:07:52.130 --> 01:07:54.789
which i still think uh the character moment for

01:07:54.789 --> 01:07:57.369
putting it up would still suffice but whatever

01:07:57.369 --> 01:08:02.889
okay crack open an encyclopedia sierra it's time

01:08:02.889 --> 01:08:06.130
for our as elijah wood once said no how how could

01:08:06.130 --> 01:08:08.849
we have known category where we discussed the

01:08:08.849 --> 01:08:11.489
most important information disseminated to the

01:08:11.489 --> 01:08:15.789
fandom over these first four episodes Whatever

01:08:15.789 --> 01:08:20.489
Hawkins Lab is doing, they are so tapped into

01:08:20.489 --> 01:08:25.369
everything that no one can run or hide or will

01:08:25.369 --> 01:08:29.130
be believed. So this is really important information

01:08:29.130 --> 01:08:32.109
for the fandom at large. for the first several

01:08:32.109 --> 01:08:34.550
seasons, I would argue seasons one through three,

01:08:34.609 --> 01:08:37.529
because it really helps with the whole idea around

01:08:37.529 --> 01:08:39.770
the Russians being there as well. And sort of

01:08:39.770 --> 01:08:41.989
the Russians piggybacking off of what the Hawkins

01:08:41.989 --> 01:08:44.149
lab has been doing. And certainly with season

01:08:44.149 --> 01:08:46.550
two, kind of just being a repeat of like Hawkins

01:08:46.550 --> 01:08:50.329
lab still kind of sucks. Yeah. That it's really

01:08:50.329 --> 01:08:53.670
important information there. I, it, it doesn't

01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:58.310
necessarily make a ton of information for season

01:08:58.310 --> 01:09:01.550
five yet. You know, because Brenner does come

01:09:01.550 --> 01:09:04.069
back in season four and then they kill him and

01:09:04.069 --> 01:09:06.069
there's all this stuff. So maybe that sort of

01:09:06.069 --> 01:09:07.550
information will be super helpful for season

01:09:07.550 --> 01:09:12.430
five. I have down here a little bit about Eleven's

01:09:12.430 --> 01:09:16.689
powers, right? So we get a brief explanation

01:09:16.689 --> 01:09:18.510
of Eleven's powers. We get a lot more in the

01:09:18.510 --> 01:09:20.550
second half of the season and then in the finale,

01:09:20.710 --> 01:09:24.170
certainly. But it's explained that Eleven getting

01:09:24.170 --> 01:09:27.229
Will on the radio isn't about right or wrong

01:09:27.229 --> 01:09:30.409
channel. It's that... And this may be just a

01:09:30.409 --> 01:09:32.109
play on word creatively by the scriptwriters,

01:09:32.170 --> 01:09:33.750
but it's the way that Mike says it. It's about

01:09:33.750 --> 01:09:38.329
Eleven channeling Will himself. Yeah. And that's

01:09:38.329 --> 01:09:42.409
a really interesting idea. That Eleven can channel

01:09:42.409 --> 01:09:47.149
other people and then bring you to them via electrostatic

01:09:47.149 --> 01:09:51.869
-y type things. And, you know, with fantasy shows

01:09:51.869 --> 01:09:53.609
and magic shows and stuff like that, there's

01:09:53.609 --> 01:09:56.449
always somewhat of a need for retconning. um

01:09:56.449 --> 01:09:59.250
as you go because you realize you establish rules

01:09:59.250 --> 01:10:01.670
more something makes more sense or you wrote

01:10:01.670 --> 01:10:03.609
this one offhand comment and you don't want to

01:10:03.609 --> 01:10:08.210
have to live by it etc etc um yeah and and stranger

01:10:08.210 --> 01:10:12.489
things has not really had to do that um we'll

01:10:12.489 --> 01:10:16.710
see with beckna uh coming up and what his relationship

01:10:16.710 --> 01:10:18.970
with the shadow figure is and the whole upside

01:10:18.970 --> 01:10:21.010
down thing because there's a lot of questions

01:10:21.010 --> 01:10:23.279
around that So they may have to retcon a lot

01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:24.859
because they've really left this last season

01:10:24.859 --> 01:10:28.420
to answer all of the questions. Yeah. But the

01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:30.619
fact that Eleven is able to channel and bring

01:10:30.619 --> 01:10:33.619
close that way is a very interesting telekinetic

01:10:33.619 --> 01:10:36.779
thing that I wonder, will that work with whatever's

01:10:36.779 --> 01:10:38.640
going on with Max at the end of season four?

01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.939
Is that going to work with other people in the

01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:44.279
Upside Down? That sort of stuff. So we'll see.

01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.600
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Indeed we will.

01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:50.770
Time to keep your horses safe. It's the... I'm

01:10:50.770 --> 01:10:53.609
gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. Category

01:10:53.609 --> 01:11:00.149
of best lines. I have two. One, mouth breather.

01:11:00.189 --> 01:11:06.510
Correct. The second is half of a line and half

01:11:06.510 --> 01:11:11.729
of an action. Did I say O 'Bannon? I meant punch.

01:11:12.189 --> 01:11:16.289
That's Hopper, right? Yes, it is. When he's getting

01:11:16.289 --> 01:11:19.529
into... Exactly. He's infiltrating the morgue.

01:11:19.590 --> 01:11:21.250
He's trying to get in there and he's trying to

01:11:21.250 --> 01:11:24.909
talk his way in. And it's like he has rolled

01:11:24.909 --> 01:11:28.289
a one on his persuasion check. And just strength

01:11:28.289 --> 01:11:32.430
checks him. And just strength checks him. It's

01:11:32.430 --> 01:11:37.409
amazing. So far, I laughed out loud. So I think,

01:11:37.409 --> 01:11:40.729
in all honesty, the better line is, did I say

01:11:40.729 --> 01:11:42.890
O 'Bannon? I meant, and then that stage action.

01:11:43.010 --> 01:11:45.590
I think that's the actual better line. But now

01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:48.399
Breather is just... It permeates through the

01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:52.180
whole rest of Stranger Things. And so I think

01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:54.680
we're going to have to go for that one. Yeah.

01:11:55.300 --> 01:11:58.800
I will say honorable mention, I suppose, just

01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:02.699
for its longevity through the show, Friends Don't

01:12:02.699 --> 01:12:05.439
Lie. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one.

01:12:06.979 --> 01:12:09.880
Dust off that card deck and get ready to shuffle.

01:12:10.300 --> 01:12:14.439
It's our Joker category for who is the MVP of

01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:19.409
this episode. I believe that it is a tie between

01:12:19.409 --> 01:12:24.470
Hopper and Eleven. Eleven has tapped into Will

01:12:24.470 --> 01:12:27.329
and Hopper has tapped into the lab conspiracy.

01:12:27.390 --> 01:12:30.449
So they, the two of them have gotten the farthest

01:12:30.449 --> 01:12:35.390
through figuring out what is going on. I'm sorry

01:12:35.390 --> 01:12:39.779
for Joyce. yelling at and axing your wall won't

01:12:39.779 --> 01:12:45.260
get you mvp quite yet not yet um also jonathan

01:12:45.260 --> 01:12:48.220
and nancy you guys are getting so close and just

01:12:48.220 --> 01:12:51.319
keep digging maybe share the information that

01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:53.659
you have found with the other people that are

01:12:53.659 --> 01:12:56.640
involved yeah i know this is a classic episode

01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:02.359
seven thing it really is you would think we could

01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:06.550
maybe get it all together but One day. One day

01:13:06.550 --> 01:13:09.350
you guys will be the MVPs. We're rooting for

01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:14.210
you. Yeah. So I am in 100 % agreement. And I

01:13:14.210 --> 01:13:16.750
think we can do a little bit of a tiebreaker

01:13:16.750 --> 01:13:19.670
here and choose an MVP. I think there's a slightest

01:13:19.670 --> 01:13:22.970
edge to Hopper here. Because he gives the buyer's

01:13:22.970 --> 01:13:27.630
mystery some real life people will believe me

01:13:27.630 --> 01:13:31.329
gravitas. Because at the moment, Eleven has just

01:13:31.329 --> 01:13:33.229
let the kids know, which is really important

01:13:33.229 --> 01:13:35.130
and really cool from an audience perspective

01:13:35.130 --> 01:13:37.149
when you're invested in these small children

01:13:37.149 --> 01:13:39.930
learning where their friends are. But it hasn't

01:13:39.930 --> 01:13:42.310
actually done much in the action sense, versus

01:13:42.310 --> 01:13:44.470
with Hopper, you get the sense that there's now

01:13:44.470 --> 01:13:47.489
going to be serious action moving forward. Yeah.

01:13:47.550 --> 01:13:51.390
So I think Hopper just beats out Eleven. Just

01:13:51.390 --> 01:13:55.170
barely squeaks. Mm -hmm. Okay. I will give it

01:13:55.170 --> 01:13:57.470
to you. Thank you. I think that makes sense.

01:13:57.590 --> 01:14:00.800
I appreciate it. Mm -hmm. But Sam, it is time

01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.560
for you to clean up your evil lair and get ready

01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:08.699
for our I was the turkey all along category for

01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:12.420
what is the biggest takeaway viewers should leave

01:14:12.420 --> 01:14:17.579
with in preparation for season five. I know I've

01:14:17.579 --> 01:14:20.840
murdered this to death the entire episode, but

01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:24.239
if you're prepping for season five, I think the

01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:26.359
main thing that you should take away from this

01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.619
is like, What is so important about Will or what's

01:14:29.619 --> 01:14:34.239
so powerful about Will that he's able to go to

01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.939
the Upside Down and survive or be taken to the

01:14:36.939 --> 01:14:38.619
Upside Down by Vecna, depending on which side

01:14:38.619 --> 01:14:41.279
of the argument that you're on. I know that there's

01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:43.380
a lot of important information about Elle and

01:14:43.380 --> 01:14:45.560
the way that Hawkins works and what the lab's

01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:47.279
doing and all this stuff. But I think the big

01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.239
thing for Season 5, for us prepping you for Season

01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.520
5, is really start thinking around this question,

01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.039
the mystery of what's going on with Will Byers.

01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:59.500
Yeah, definitely. Agreed, agreed. Today's public

01:14:59.500 --> 01:15:02.600
service announcement. When going to the morgue,

01:15:02.619 --> 01:15:04.720
don't forget your brass knuckles and your pocket

01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:09.619
knife. They may come in handy. Thank you, listener

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01:15:55.850 --> 01:16:18.579
The music is by Jeremiah Alves. Alrighty. One,

01:16:18.579 --> 01:16:24.100
a two, three, clap. Stop. Stop with your stupid

01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:29.260
rhythms. You did that on the last one and I was

01:16:29.260 --> 01:16:33.020
like, and then this time you were like, one,

01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:41.300
a two, and a what? Alright, try again. I'm just

01:16:41.300 --> 01:16:44.560
so bored of saying one, two, three, clap. But

01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:48.880
it works! This is about entertaining anyone this

01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.880
is the utilitarian usage it's about entertaining

01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:55.680
myself this is gonna be this is gonna be the

01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:57.619
blooper on the freaking back of this episode

01:16:57.619 --> 01:17:11.319
i just you're not elvis you have no proof i'm

01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:14.199
not just saying have you ever seen elvis and

01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.649
i in the same place No, because he's dead. 6

01:17:17.649 --> 01:17:20.590
,000 miles of feces backed up to his throat.

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Oh my gosh. Okay. Alright, here we go. Sinking.

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One, two, three. Your face. Your disappointed

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face. Okay. I'm sorry. It's fine. Let's go. I

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just feel like it brings my energy down right

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before my energy needs to be up. I wrote this

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next thing, and I literally don't know what I

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was talking about. Still confused on second watch.

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What the kids have to do with the upside down.

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I know, I must explain later. But I can't for

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the life of me remembering. I wrote this as I

01:17:59.430 --> 01:18:01.670
was rewatching the first four episodes. Sierra,

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I'm going to explain right now. Brittany, you

01:18:02.949 --> 01:18:05.949
should cut all this from the episode. But we'll

01:18:05.949 --> 01:18:08.430
just end on Mike's mom. But I'm going to tell

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you right now, Sierra. They have a friend. In

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the upside down. That they want to go and rescue.

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It wasn't that though. That's what it sounds

01:18:18.060 --> 01:18:20.579
like though. I know that's what it sounds like.

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But I was meaning something else. And I don't

01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:27.439
remember. I don't remember what I was talking

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about. I remember reading this in Oxford. And

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being like what the f*** is Sierra talking about.

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I don't know what I was talking about. Clearly

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I just. I don't know. It's such a bizarre comment.

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I don't know. I have literally no idea what it

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could mean. I don't either. I don't know what

01:18:45.670 --> 01:18:48.569
it is. I'm crazy, apparently. Okay, moving on.

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Alright, question. Would it be too much if we

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said, don't forget your brass knuckles. Pocket

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knife. Don't forget your brass knuckles, pocket

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knife. They may come in handy. Yes. Pocket knife

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was called, and just was gutter. You know, that

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conventionally named knife. that you put in your

01:19:05.250 --> 01:19:08.270
pocket it's specifically a knife that you put

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in your pocket but it's for cutting corpses specifically

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it's not a whatever they call those knives i

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like i like i'm always super close to saying

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pocket